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<v Speaker 1>Billy cunning in the Great American Reds Baseball kicked off

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<v Speaker 1>about five forty tonight in Pittsburgh. Now winners of five

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<v Speaker 1>in a row, marching for glory this weekend a big

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<v Speaker 1>series here with the Chicago Cubs. But until then, Jonan,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I now is Michael Wright, who's the civil

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<v Speaker 1>attorney for the estate of Ryan Hinton, the eighteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old teenager shot and killed by Cincinnati police. And Michael Wright,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted a touch base with you after the comments

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday of last me so Marco, as you may know,

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<v Speaker 1>I had her on with me and she talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the bullet wound that killed Ryan Hinton, which maybe factually

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<v Speaker 1>was in conflict to what the chief of police had

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<v Speaker 1>said the day after the shooting. And I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>see what impact that has on your case, if anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely, I think it is significant. The fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the chief and the corner can't get on the same page.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's pretty interesting. We I believe that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what the chief was saying has been intentionally misleading from

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<v Speaker 2>the corners report. He was shot in the left forearm,

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<v Speaker 2>he was shot. It says left lateral chests below the armpit. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's not what she said when she was on

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<v Speaker 2>your show. She said that he was shot in the chest,

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<v Speaker 2>mid center the chest and he was shot below the armpit.

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<v Speaker 2>And the third finding, which was pretty interesting, was that

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<v Speaker 2>he was shot in the back. It says right postereo

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<v Speaker 2>lateral chest, so basically he was shot in the back

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<v Speaker 2>behind the right shoulder. So, you know, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>chief has some explaining to do. Why this she was

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<v Speaker 2>intentionally misleading, and I believe that you know this really

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<v Speaker 2>this is really interesting that you know, these facts are

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<v Speaker 2>coming out. We did an independent autopsy and we have

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<v Speaker 2>not released the results yet because we are waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>information from the corner that we requested, such as photographs

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<v Speaker 2>and things of that nature that they have not sent

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<v Speaker 2>to us. So, you know, we believed all along this

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<v Speaker 2>was a bad shoot, and this is more indication, more

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that this was an unlawful shooting of Ryan Hinton.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, we're still investigating, and we unlike the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>Police Department, unlike the Corner's office, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do things piecemeal. We're going to have all our information

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<v Speaker 2>together and we will present all at one time. What

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<v Speaker 2>we believe will show the unwallful killing of Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>And Hinton Michael right, Let's break it down, doctor Lasmisimaco said.

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<v Speaker 1>An autopsy revealed Ryan Hinton had three gunshot wounds, one

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<v Speaker 1>in the left forearm, one in the left lateral chest,

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<v Speaker 1>and one near the right part of the chest. I

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<v Speaker 1>asked her yesterday, could there'd be two shots that hit

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<v Speaker 1>his body causing three gunshot wounds? She said yes, But

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<v Speaker 1>I asked her. I asked her specifically, the one in

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<v Speaker 1>the left forearm and the one in the left lateral

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<v Speaker 1>chest could be one bullet that exit at the sternum,

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<v Speaker 1>and one shot was say, in the woods somewhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>the one near the right part of the chest launched

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<v Speaker 1>himself at the base of the skull. And I asked her, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you shoot somebody on the right side of

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<v Speaker 1>the chest if they're if they're running, if they're in

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<v Speaker 1>front of you, running away from you on the right

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, well, it could have been the first shot,

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<v Speaker 1>which may I use the term kill shot, is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that took out part of his heart and that

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<v Speaker 1>could have flipped his body to the right that caused

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<v Speaker 1>that bullet wounded the right part of the chest with

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<v Speaker 1>a bullet lodging up by a skull. Isn't that a

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable assumption or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't believe so. Our corner, independent corner, does

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<v Speaker 2>not believe so. But again we're waiting for all the evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>all the information, everything that we requested from the corner

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<v Speaker 2>in order for us to finish our independent autopsy. So

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't sound plausible. However, you know that's their you

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<v Speaker 2>know that that's their story, and they're sticking to it

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. But what's interesting is that it's all piecemeled,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, her autopsy. I've never seen an autopsy like this.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just three sentences that that makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, oh go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>You know fairly, Michael, right, there's nothing in here to

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<v Speaker 1>indicate that he was shot in the back. She uses

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<v Speaker 1>the term left forearm, left life chest and one near

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<v Speaker 1>the right part of the chest. I don't see the

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<v Speaker 1>word back anywhere in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and there again they're being intentionally misleading. Right posterior

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<v Speaker 2>lateral chest adjacent to the shoulder. He was shot in

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<v Speaker 2>the back. So again intentionally misleading information that is being

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<v Speaker 2>piece milled by this department that's investigating themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a corner, do you have an equal

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<v Speaker 1>you have a corner saying these findings have doctor Lasmi

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<v Speaker 1>Samaka are not accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we do, but we are waiting for the additional

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<v Speaker 2>information that we requested to finalize. You know, our corner's report.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you address yourself to the issue of an eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old illegally with a gun, pulling it out of

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<v Speaker 1>the car that he was stolen, running four or five steps, falling,

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<v Speaker 1>dropping the gun, and picking up back up. Isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>an indication that he intended to use it if he

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<v Speaker 1>picked it up at least twice.

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely not, that's not what that means. Let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's look at how he was shot. He was running

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<v Speaker 2>away and even with the chief said, there's nothing in

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<v Speaker 2>the video that indicates that he was pointing the gun

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<v Speaker 2>towards an officer. And what's even more interesting, Bill, was

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<v Speaker 2>that it was an undercover officer, a detective that shot him.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a uniformed officer that shot him. So how

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<v Speaker 2>do we know that, Ryan, Well, one, there's nothing indicating

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<v Speaker 2>or showing that he pointed the gun towards this officer.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's say for argument's sake, that he did. If

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<v Speaker 2>this is an If this is an ununiformed officer that's

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<v Speaker 2>pointing a gun at you, how does Ryan know this

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<v Speaker 2>is not the person that owned the vehicle that was

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<v Speaker 2>coming after him with a gun trying to get their

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle back.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Michael, right, you're saying that the officer who killed

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Hinton was not in uniform? Is that what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. This was an undercover and as

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<v Speaker 2>the chief, As the chief indicated when she spoke to you,

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<v Speaker 2>she said that once the uniform officers got there, the

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<v Speaker 2>undercover officers were supposed to back off. So again, intentionally

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<v Speaker 2>misleading statements that we are still trying to piece together.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we're not going to make, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>statements that we can't back up. So again, once we're

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<v Speaker 2>finished with our investigation, we're going to present the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that we believe is going to show that this was

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<v Speaker 2>an unlawful shoot, that the officer should not have been

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<v Speaker 2>in reasonable fear for his life, That Ryan was running away,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get away, this officer shot him in the

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<v Speaker 2>side and also in the back, and what we're still

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<v Speaker 2>trying to determine, also, is whether or not there was

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<v Speaker 2>more than one shooter. We don't have that information either,

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<v Speaker 2>so we requested the corner's information, the ballistics information. We

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<v Speaker 2>have not received that either.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't it wrong for Ryan Hinton at the age of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen to illegally possess a gun and to steal a car?

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't his behavior bring about his own death in a

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<v Speaker 1>sense by illegally committing felonies at the moment he was

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<v Speaker 1>shot because you can't be under twenty one to have

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<v Speaker 1>a firearm, and he had a handgun, and not hard

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<v Speaker 1>to agree that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would agree that his behavior was not what he

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<v Speaker 2>should have been doing. However, that doesn't mean that he

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<v Speaker 2>should get the death sentence by an officer that should

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<v Speaker 2>not have shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the gun itself pointed, according to the

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Police, and I have the statement originally here of

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<v Speaker 1>the Chief of Police who talked about this is the

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<v Speaker 1>day after the event took place, and she essentially said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna share it with you. This is from the

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Police on Tuesday morning. Cincinnati Police officers from the

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<v Speaker 1>Fugitive Apprehension Squad we're investigating a stolen car near East

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<v Speaker 1>Price Hill. When the officers approached the car, four suspects

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<v Speaker 1>jumped out of the car and ran. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>suspects pulled a semi automatic handgun and pointed it at

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<v Speaker 1>an officer. That officer fired his weapon, hitting the suspect,

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<v Speaker 1>the armed suspect instead. No other officers were injured. They're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>in this statement quote pointed it at an officer. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you contending that is false?

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<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely false. It's intentionally misleading. And then she says

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<v Speaker 2>that there's no video evidence that would substantiate or that

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<v Speaker 2>would confirm that the gun was pointed at an officer.

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<v Speaker 2>So absolutely false, misleading statements that we disagree with.

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<v Speaker 1>It does the videotape, which is the blurry. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>it one hundred times. You probably seen it five hundred times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's blurry, and I can't see him having a gun

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<v Speaker 1>in his right hand, and the officer said he did.

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<v Speaker 1>And the videotape, to be generous, is blurry. How can

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<v Speaker 1>you make this statement he didn't have it when there's

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<v Speaker 1>not video evidence that he did or didn't. From my

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<v Speaker 1>perspective as a great American, I looked at that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot and it's so blurry, I can't see what's in

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<v Speaker 1>his hand, if anything, can you right?

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely no. So how does the chief make the

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<v Speaker 2>statement that he pointed it at the officer and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why the officer discharged his firearm and left out the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that this was a undercover detective closes officer. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know this, there's just a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 2>don't add up there. There there's a lot of information,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of statements that just don't they they

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<v Speaker 2>don't fit together. So that's why we are still investigating.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we have not come out and made you know,

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<v Speaker 2>uh statements to the fact that this was absolutely a

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<v Speaker 2>bad shoot early on. But the more information that we

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<v Speaker 2>are getting, you know, it points to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan should should still be here with us. He should

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<v Speaker 2>not have been shot and killed by the officer. It

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<v Speaker 2>was an unlawful shoot, and you know, we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to hold the department accountable.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael, right, I'll paraphrase a little bit what the chief

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<v Speaker 1>of police said to me on the air, and also

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<v Speaker 1>the coroner and also Ken kober Uh, the Queen City Police.

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<v Speaker 1>The president of the lodge said an officer does not

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<v Speaker 1>have to wait for an armed suspect to point a

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<v Speaker 1>gun at them or to fire around to respond. And

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<v Speaker 1>and and there was a gun. I've seen the picture

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<v Speaker 1>of the nine millimeter gun on the on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the pavement, I've seen pictures of it. Is that Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Hinton's gun.

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<v Speaker 2>He had it in his possession, So whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>it was his gun, I can't speak directly to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, it was in his possession, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's in his possession, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he did fall, he did pick it up, he

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<v Speaker 2>did run away from the officers. But this officer shot

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<v Speaker 2>him in the side, and he has a bullet in

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<v Speaker 2>his back, so there was no He did not even

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<v Speaker 2>look in the officer's direction. So it is not reasonable

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<v Speaker 2>for the officer to use deadly force in this situation

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<v Speaker 2>when it does not.

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<v Speaker 1>The video shows him picking up the weapon and running

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<v Speaker 1>between the big dumpsters. Can you say whether your client

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<v Speaker 1>had the gun in his right hand at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>he was shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't at this point, Bill, We're still investigating. As

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<v Speaker 2>you indicated, the video is very blurry. Blurry video is

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<v Speaker 2>hard to see, So you know, how do you make

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<v Speaker 2>the determination? How did the chief make the determination that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it makes the statement that it was pointed

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<v Speaker 2>at the officer when the officer took a shot. Furthermore,

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<v Speaker 2>the officer shot him from the side. Ryan was running,

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<v Speaker 2>He was trying to get away, So it doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sense. So again, we're still investigating. But

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<v Speaker 2>as we do more and more investigation, it appears and

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<v Speaker 2>the story does not jive with the facts and circumstances

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<v Speaker 2>of the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he do you have any illegal substances in his body?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know? I can't answer that. I asked, We

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<v Speaker 2>asked for the corner's report and we got three sinces,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can't. I can't answer that. And whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not he did or did not, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>has anything to do with whether or not the officer,

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<v Speaker 2>would you know, have taken this unlawful shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Lastly, when the officers pulled up into a condo project,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe there's one way up, one way out. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>weren't there marked police cars present and officers in uniform

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<v Speaker 1>present in uniform at the time your client was shot?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? There was?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so your guy was Your guy was running away

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<v Speaker 1>from police that were in uniform. I would assume someone's

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<v Speaker 1>yelling stop and someone yelled gun, gun, gun, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we heard gun gun gun. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I heard stop, we're still going.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we heard gun gun, gun, and I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>was the reason for the shot. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 2>the officer or the undercovered detective even saw the gun.

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<v Speaker 2>He just heard another officer yo, gun gun gun, saw

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<v Speaker 2>someone running and then took took shots.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would point out again that the Cincinnati Police

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<v Speaker 1>are saying that the suspect pulled a semi automatic handgun

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<v Speaker 1>pointed at an officer, and I guess this. Some say

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<v Speaker 1>that's not critical because you can't wait to be shot

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<v Speaker 1>at or have a gun pointed at you to return fire.

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<v Speaker 1>That the mere possession of the firearm by someone of

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<v Speaker 1>fleeing felon puts the officers at a life at risk.

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<v Speaker 1>But you disagree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I disagree. And they also said he was shot twice,

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<v Speaker 2>that that was not the case. So you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>all this investigation has not been handled correctly. And I

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<v Speaker 2>even with regards to the corner, I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>suspicious as it relates to the corner was having a

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<v Speaker 2>press conference. Then stop the press conference because the Grand

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<v Speaker 2>jury subpoenas and then had a press conference. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what they are trying to hide. Was

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<v Speaker 2>there a grand jury, what were the findings? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this just doesn't none of this adds up.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael, Right, what's your next step for the estate of

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Hinton? What's your next step?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, our next step is hopefully to receive all the

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<v Speaker 2>information that we requested. Once we've done that, then we

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<v Speaker 2>will make a decision as to our steps going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Michael Wright of the Cochrane Law Firm, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. The investigation continues,

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's continue with more. There you have it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it could be a he said, she said, And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. You can look at the videotape a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>times and it is so blurry you can't see what

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<v Speaker 1>is or what is not in Ryan Hinton's hands. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see it, and I don't think the chief

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<v Speaker 1>of police sees it. But the officer said it was

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<v Speaker 1>there and in his mind it was a good shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see what happens. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham

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