Speaker 1: Hey, listen to Commander Who Got podcast episode four thirty
Speaker 1: four on brand. Ome here with Gary and Did we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about some of the headlines from Magic Now
Speaker 1: our thing song, Thank Giary. We're here for our very
Speaker 1: first WorldWind adventure. How you doing?
Speaker 2: What is going down?
Speaker 1: It's going down? We got an explanation to give a
Speaker 1: story to tell some people to thank. A whole bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff we're gonna get into, but before we get
Speaker 1: to any of that, we have to thank our official business,
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Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: You gotta say some stuff now, go oh yes.
Speaker 2: We'd also like to tell them all about the special
Speaker 2: Promo code visits CEO. See I always look up on
Speaker 2: that one. So what the CEO Special Code Summer. That's
Speaker 2: the one CCO Summer. Everything you just said that I
Speaker 2: should say, I just said saves five.
Speaker 1: Percent off all the stuff that you're gonna buy anyway.
Speaker 2: Isn't there another CEO promo code too, No, that's the one,
Speaker 2: that's the only.
Speaker 1: Just the one, just the one CEO Summer. Oh wait, no,
Speaker 1: there is one CEO Perks promo code. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to that one in just a.
Speaker 2: Second's sorry, I got ahead of myself.
Speaker 1: No, no, we're on the track. Is so nervous, don't be nervous.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna be totally down with it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: So CCO Summer. You're gonna say five percent off all
Speaker 1: the magic singles that you're gonna buy, all the magic
Speaker 1: sealed product if you live within the country of Canada,
Speaker 1: all of the board games, sleeves, deck box, as well
Speaker 1: as they have their dice playme mats. They have some
Speaker 1: of those like gaming dice, rolling towers and trays and stuff.
Speaker 1: If you need it for gaming, they got it, and
Speaker 1: you can say five percent off of it with CCOs.
Speaker 1: And if your order ends up being over one hundred
Speaker 1: Canadian dollars that's about fifteen USD. You can use CEO
Speaker 1: Perks to get a ten percent store credit kickback for
Speaker 1: your next order. Yes, you know, you're just gonna spend
Speaker 1: less on the shit that you're gonna buy anyway. That's
Speaker 1: it and it helps the show out. And you know
Speaker 1: what if you buy something that's on their weekly sale,
Speaker 1: because they have some pretty cool weekly sales in Fusion
Speaker 1: Gaming as well. Sometimes the promo code doesn't work if
Speaker 1: you type CCO summer CCO sent me, or if the
Speaker 1: whole lot of use guys JK, I'm sure you're wonderful
Speaker 1: people in the note to vendor line, then they'll know
Speaker 1: that we still sent you, and it just looks really
Speaker 1: good for the show. Yes, and and and this is
Speaker 1: I'm never I don't tell this very often because Ryan
Speaker 1: sometimes gets angry at me. Sometimes if you ask really
Speaker 1: nice in the note to sell her thing like if
Speaker 1: you could you please draw me a chicken or a frog?
Speaker 2: Oh some cool.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll do it baller, you know, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of and I put them on
Speaker 1: my fridge. I've got a few doodles from the shipping people.
Speaker 1: That's see at Fusion Gaming. They're great people. UH support them,
Speaker 1: a lot of love supporting them, and they'll they they
Speaker 1: seem to appreciate us as well.
Speaker 2: I love that they go the extra mile for you.
Speaker 2: Those little things they oh I warms the cockles of
Speaker 2: my heart.
Speaker 1: That's what makes them one of the biggest retailers in
Speaker 1: the country. They deserve it, and they work really hard
Speaker 1: for it. And you know, they gotta work hard because
Speaker 1: they live in Winnipeg and that place is not okay
Speaker 1: on like a fundamental level. There's just something wrong there, man.
Speaker 2: There the slurpy capital of the world.
Speaker 1: Slurp really yeah, tell me tell me about this. What
Speaker 1: is slurpy capital of the world?
Speaker 2: What like, you know, surpies that you drink yes with
Speaker 2: a big straw. Of course, they consume the most slurpees
Speaker 2: on planet Earth in Winnipeg.
Speaker 1: You're kidding me per year? Yeah what flavor?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think they went that deep
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean I was gonna hope you're gonna say
Speaker 1: hand sanitizer, well, because that's some Winnipeg shit right there. Baby, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just oh, yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 2: Where's editor Joe Live? Hello to editor Joe. By the way,
Speaker 2: he lives in oh yeah, Winnipeg, guys, were he works.
Speaker 1: Do you want to say the line this time you're
Speaker 1: gonna say at this time, I'm gonna shut you up
Speaker 1: here I'm this is this is good editor. Joe is
Speaker 1: our YouTube editor and he works really really hard to
Speaker 1: get the videos out onto YouTube in a particular fashion.
Speaker 1: So make sure that you're a part of the the crowd.
Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna I thought we're gonna do
Speaker 2: the thing where I say.
Speaker 1: Which you should be there it is. That was the should.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna be all green and ship. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be because Joe does work really hard.
Speaker 2: And we do appreciate him. He is so much.
Speaker 1: He is a member of the lost episode of the
Speaker 1: CEO Sidewalk Slam, so he was there for that. He
Speaker 1: was there for that. So Joe's gonna have to make
Speaker 1: a special run in here so we can be at
Speaker 1: the here it is. This is the big moment. I
Speaker 1: hope that our our boy veenom on the ones and
Speaker 1: tueses all over this. We're in the damn studio. That's
Speaker 1: that's our boy, producer Gary right here. Now we can
Speaker 1: explain why this gentleman is here. This is producer Gary.
Speaker 1: He is the headhun Show, the Emperor, the King of
Speaker 1: Duffern Avenue Media Network, the damn studio in which we
Speaker 1: record the shows. We're gonna have some gameplay footage. You
Speaker 1: set this whole dream up together. I think it's a
Speaker 1: really cool place. I hope all of you out there
Speaker 1: are supporting him. You can check out the Dufferent Avenue
Speaker 1: Media Network on YouTube. There's lots of really cool stuff
Speaker 1: going on. This is the man behind it all. He's
Speaker 1: filling in for our good friend Brian, who is off
Speaker 1: after having leg surgery because he done broke his leg
Speaker 1: and apparently the most pumpkin spice way possible, which is
Speaker 1: playing softball. And the reason I say that is not
Speaker 1: because it wasn't a horrific injury. It's all of our
Speaker 1: legitimate thoughts and prayers go out to Ryan. He recovered
Speaker 1: from surgery, he's doing fine. He's gonna be back next week. But,
Speaker 1: man like, I know three people, three freaking people that
Speaker 1: ended up in a boot playing softball this season.
Speaker 2: I got one too, that's for between us. But he went,
Speaker 2: he went shoulder. Though he broke his shoulder, he wasn't
Speaker 2: a boot then, No, but he's got hurt playing slow pitch. Damn.
Speaker 1: Man Like, is this a getting older thing? Is this
Speaker 1: a is it a try and too hard thing?
Speaker 2: In Network Rind's case, yes.
Speaker 1: I think because he was sliding in cleats. I've never
Speaker 1: played like wreck sports.
Speaker 2: With equipment before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, man, I got kicked out of the Ruckers
Speaker 1: batting cage just once because I refused to wear a helmet.
Speaker 2: Yes, like a man, I'm not.
Speaker 1: And if anybody should be worried abouetting hit in the head,
Speaker 1: it's me, mister Conky right like, oh, man, I figure
Speaker 1: I get one more and I'm just gonna forget who
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I'm this close to making you wear a helmet all
Speaker 2: the time, man, I worry about that beautiful brain, right Like,
Speaker 2: it's the stories, the stories you told me about your
Speaker 2: former life as a top tier wrestling talent. Thanks one
Speaker 2: of the few guys I know personally in my life
Speaker 2: that can do backflips off the top rope onto the ground,
Speaker 2: just the ring onto the ground. But when you talk
Speaker 2: about botches or moves that don't go quite as planned
Speaker 2: and how you don't remember anything after said botch until
Speaker 2: like the next day, that worries me. So that's why
Speaker 2: we've got to protect that beautiful brain.
Speaker 1: We gotta the brain is the thing, you know. There
Speaker 1: are certain help we could, but we could do a
Speaker 1: whole show about like the hell's work and the question
Speaker 1: the answer is yes. The answer is yes. We're a
Speaker 1: helmet when you're playing sports. But when you're in a
Speaker 1: batting cage and there's a machine that's you know, you
Speaker 1: could probably get away.
Speaker 2: Without it, right, which how many miles per hour? Which one?
Speaker 1: We're in the freaking softball one?
Speaker 2: Like the dude you can lean in with your head
Speaker 2: and take one of those.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like I could take one of those in
Speaker 1: the dome and probably well I couldn't, but.
Speaker 2: The average average person could probably see. Whenever I go
Speaker 2: in there, I always want to be the superstar that
Speaker 2: goes into the fastest one it's like eighty miles per
Speaker 2: hour or whatever it is, and then you can barely
Speaker 2: see it. And then I do that sometimes and sometimes
Speaker 2: I make a connect so you can see that one.
Speaker 2: I almost got it.
Speaker 1: Oh hell, you know.
Speaker 2: But sometimes when it goes really fast, the the hEDS
Speaker 2: in the ball spin it so they get in your hands.
Speaker 2: So I get beamed a lot in there. It's not good,
Speaker 2: So I could definitely wear helme in those ones.
Speaker 1: But the spit's lobby ones, yeah, like no, wait man,
Speaker 1: that got kick rocks and that's what I did. And
Speaker 1: then he told me to kick Rocks and because he
Speaker 1: had he had the Rockers shirt on. I believe Rutgers
Speaker 1: is the amusement center here in.
Speaker 2: It very well, great mini golf course, great little arcade
Speaker 2: in there. And they got the batting cage and they
Speaker 2: got fudd Rockers. Yeah, is it? Is it?
Speaker 1: The last fud Ruckers in Saskatchewan for sure? In Canada
Speaker 1: might be because some of them American states. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys know about fud Rockers. So if you've got
Speaker 1: one in your town, let us know in the comments,
Speaker 1: because that's a that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm trying to think of the American friends nicknames,
Speaker 2: because everyone's got great nicknames. Back to Rusty trum.
Speaker 1: Jones, Rusty trump Jones my favorite, but.
Speaker 2: I know he's Canadian, exactly what I was trying to
Speaker 2: think of an American one.
Speaker 1: You know what, we're gonna see Rusty trom Jones. Yes,
Speaker 1: we are going to see Rusty trom Jones at some
Speaker 1: of the upcoming Commander Cookout events that we will be at.
Speaker 2: CCO is everywhere, Baby.
Speaker 1: Man Freaking Network. Ryan Slash, our good friend.
Speaker 2: Ryan.
Speaker 1: He's been you've been talking for Turen fucking minutes and
Speaker 1: you haven't turn ony content for Christian business. You were
Speaker 1: thinking that too, that's what he's doing. So this is
Speaker 1: us doing the business to business. In a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: I believe it's the fourteenth of September, CEO Podcast rolls
Speaker 1: into town. The World Canadian Tour is gonna get into Regina.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be there for the face to face day
Speaker 1: of magic that they're having there. I don't know freaking
Speaker 1: nips of stuff.
Speaker 2: It sounds because like a memorial, but.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be there. I believe that we have a
Speaker 1: CEO promo code. If you buy your events package from
Speaker 1: face to Face, you're gonna save yourself a couple of bucks,
Speaker 1: get some free games, get a neat thing from your boys,
Speaker 1: Ryan and Brando or Gary. If he's there, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that they'll hell him up with some swag as well.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and it's gonna be a great time. Following that,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to our good friends at the Pile
Speaker 1: of Bones Brewing Co's tap room right up the street.
Speaker 1: There's pinball, there's good food. We sent Key and PJ
Speaker 1: pro Cop down there to like check everything out, so
Speaker 1: we have sent spies to you, pile of bones, and
Speaker 1: we know you're legit before we invite our friends over
Speaker 1: there and we look like assholes because you didn't deliver
Speaker 1: a good time.
Speaker 2: And we know and we know Keil is the best
Speaker 2: thing to come to Argiina.
Speaker 1: Yes, Kiel is the number one export of the city
Speaker 1: of Regina, and we wouldn't send him to number two.
Speaker 1: That's right if we weren't confident that he would walk
Speaker 1: out of there having a great time. And he said
Speaker 1: that he did, so we're really looking forward to doing
Speaker 1: that the next week after that Network Ryan Slash, our
Speaker 1: good friend Ryan. I assume he'll be mobile enough because
Speaker 1: he hasn't said to me that this isn't the plan.
Speaker 1: He will be out in Toronto for the face to
Speaker 1: face weekend. Out there. There's gonna be an after party
Speaker 1: that he's hosting there and you should all show up
Speaker 1: wish him well. I think he's gonna have either a
Speaker 1: buddh or a cast and I'm gonna make sure that
Speaker 1: everybody signs it because I think that's going to be
Speaker 1: really really cool.
Speaker 2: And only sign it with Wieners, no names, just Wieners,
Speaker 2: big small in between weird, don't matter.
Speaker 1: If we don't align your worn with like a little week,
Speaker 1: that would be very funny and I think he would
Speaker 1: appreciate that very much. Just to go up, not to
Speaker 1: give him pity, but to sign in, get in on
Speaker 1: the joke, and make sure that you know that you're
Speaker 1: you're appreciating him, and hope that he is going to
Speaker 1: recover fully and quickly. He is going to be in
Speaker 1: Toronto the week after Regina again. He is gonna ben
Speaker 1: after party with trivia and all that kind of fun stuff,
Speaker 1: and he'll be out there in some capacity. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if he's gonna be sitting in games like initially
Speaker 1: they were planning on having him do yeah, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna find some way for him to be involved and
Speaker 1: go out there support that support the show and have
Speaker 1: a great time at at an event in Toronto. I
Speaker 1: wish I could have gone there, but it wasn't in
Speaker 1: the card. I'll be at the next Toronto one.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's gonna be awesome. Yes, Like he's he's
Speaker 2: so pumped. I'm pumped for him and I'm excited. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's gonna crush it there.
Speaker 1: Here's the real big one. This is the big one
Speaker 1: for the year because our good friend Alex would not
Speaker 1: be swayed from his wedding date despite my best efforts.
Speaker 1: I tried, you guys, I tried really really hard. CEO
Speaker 1: the World Tour last will not be made. I can
Speaker 1: get to Las Vegas this year, but in November we
Speaker 1: will be in the great City of Calgary. Do they
Speaker 1: have a nickname? Oh Man City that's big in kind
Speaker 1: of south central Alberta. Do they have a name.
Speaker 2: I don't think they do. They had a lot of wind,
Speaker 2: they get a lot of crazy weather in there.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna be there anyway. Yeah, for the face
Speaker 1: to face tour stop there. That one's gonna be a
Speaker 1: full on CEO experience. I believe we have enough people.
Speaker 1: There's the CEO Dude Bros. There's CCO National Lights from America.
Speaker 1: There's CECO National Lights coming in from Manitoba. There's CECO
Speaker 1: National Lights coming from BC. If you've heard a name
Speaker 1: on this show, there's a good chance you're gonna meet
Speaker 1: them in Calgary. We've got a house, we've got events,
Speaker 1: we got all the stuff that you expect, all the ecutrement,
Speaker 1: but the added cherry on the top of this one
Speaker 1: is this in a city where we know everything. We're
Speaker 1: the ones that know where shit is in Calgary, and
Speaker 1: so we're gonna show you guys a great time if
Speaker 1: you come out. If there's no spots left in the house,
Speaker 1: that's okay. Remember pictureon dot let's see a podcast gets
Speaker 1: into the discord, gets it connected to all the planning
Speaker 1: for all those events. So get at us on there
Speaker 1: and let us know if you're interested or just if
Speaker 1: you're coming down to the city.
Speaker 2: You're interested in coming up just checking it out.
Speaker 1: We'll let you know what we're gonna where we're gonna
Speaker 1: be at, what we're gonna be doing, and minimally we
Speaker 1: can stop by say hi, I have a beer, play
Speaker 1: a game. It's gonna be a really good time. We
Speaker 1: encourage everybody to come up and hang out with us there.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is the makeup for the missing
Speaker 2: of the Vegas.
Speaker 1: Correct, We're gonna bring Vegas.
Speaker 2: That's just candidate. Yeah. In case you're wondering how good
Speaker 2: it's gonna be, just think it's the Vegas button. Colgar.
Speaker 1: We've all heard the story about how Brando had a
Speaker 1: you know, the third Triple Tequila after I got kicked
Speaker 1: out of a bar in Las Vegas on Fremont Street
Speaker 1: and then my good friend, sink guy Jared rock Confardi,
Speaker 1: he helped me get into our ARMNB and sat me
Speaker 1: down on the edge of my bed and was like,
Speaker 1: when you feel up to it, you come downstairs. And
Speaker 1: then apparently I don't recall this, but apparently I just
Speaker 1: laid down and in my head I did a sit up.
Speaker 1: But what it actually happened is I laid down and
Speaker 1: then slept for ten hours and then well, like you
Speaker 1: undertake it, yeah, still in my shoes, still in my clothes,
Speaker 1: went downstairs, ready to party some more. It's like, oh
Speaker 1: shit at seven.
Speaker 2: Am, and then you crack your beer and I cracked
Speaker 2: into the.
Speaker 1: Breakfast beer and off. So we're doing that again, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna bring the fun to.
Speaker 2: You guys, so much fun.
Speaker 1: If the if the mad cap drinking and partying isn't
Speaker 1: your gimmick, of course, you're still welcome to come along.
Speaker 1: There's so much other stuff that we have going on.
Speaker 2: You just be like me and do the THC exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: or maybe if you want to get real crazy, you
Speaker 2: can do some of those medicinal mushrooms. I hear so
Speaker 2: much about.
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot. There's a guy at the EDH
Speaker 1: and M that's always it's very up on those. Does
Speaker 1: the phenom know anything about that kind of stuff? I don't,
Speaker 1: Peno doesn't know about.
Speaker 2: It's the most innocent human being I've ever met. I think, well,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: You could still hear about stuff, that's true. That's a
Speaker 1: very different generation than us. So people say things, tell
Speaker 1: you things. You know things very good point.
Speaker 2: Don't ever assume people don't know anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should never assume that just because somebody's not
Speaker 1: into a topic or a subject, they never heard of it.
Speaker 2: That's not a good way of doing things, absolutely right.
Speaker 1: How the hell are we going to do a magic
Speaker 1: podcast if we just assume that our body Gary doesn't
Speaker 1: know shit about magic.
Speaker 2: I think we're about to find out.
Speaker 1: I think that's the average business that we usually have
Speaker 1: in We talked about the Patreon network.
Speaker 2: Ryan will no matter what we do, he'll say we
Speaker 2: miss stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, network, Brian is holding over down on us. But
Speaker 1: we're trying our best. It's the first the first time.
Speaker 2: And it's so much fun just being on the other
Speaker 2: side of the glass and being out here and just
Speaker 2: being a part of it, like it's I felt so
Speaker 2: bad when I missed the one que even though I
Speaker 2: have oh you know, I've got nervous and then I
Speaker 2: got oh, but I'm back now.
Speaker 1: I have a plan to set you up for another
Speaker 1: one later.
Speaker 2: Perfect, I'll be ready for We'll.
Speaker 1: Get you through there. So what else have we wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about today before we got into the thing?
Speaker 1: I feel like there's another thing that me and Ryan
Speaker 1: would normally do, but I can't think of what it is.
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna kind of go.
Speaker 2: Into weird business daddies, right, Beer, events, coming up events,
Speaker 2: Thank every buddy. I feel like that's all.
Speaker 1: I think that's all the business weird. We're good at
Speaker 1: this up top, up top.
Speaker 2: I was gonna go for this one.
Speaker 1: And if you miss.
Speaker 2: After my speech about protecting your head.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, let's do a quick aside, let's do a
Speaker 1: really quick aside I had. I had this talk the
Speaker 1: other day with some people. And the football helmet, the
Speaker 1: hockey helmet, the batting helmet all designed aerodynamically scientifically with
Speaker 1: your brain health in mind. It cushions, blows and tries
Speaker 1: to prevent concussion and head injury, right, very effective. I
Speaker 1: will never tell anybody to not wear a helmet when
Speaker 1: playing the sport that has a helmet named after it.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: That's a great way that let me, however, ask you
Speaker 1: this question, Gary. Gary's a big sports guy, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try and and I am not a sports guy,
Speaker 1: so we're all gonna have a good time as I
Speaker 1: try and fumble sports references in here.
Speaker 2: Very excited bicycle helmets.
Speaker 1: I I feel they are totally useless and all they're
Speaker 1: there to do is stop you from getting your head cut.
Speaker 2: Interesting, what do you think, because.
Speaker 1: Like, how much money does a hockey helmet cost?
Speaker 2: Hockey helmet's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money, right, because you can go
Speaker 1: to Toys r US and buy a bike helmet for
Speaker 1: what fifteen bucks? Yeah, if you have I guess maybe
Speaker 1: not in America you can't because Toys Rus clothes. But
Speaker 1: up here in Canada you can spend twenty Canadian dollars
Speaker 1: and it's got like a sweet mohawk made out of
Speaker 1: silicon spikes.
Speaker 2: This make shiny stuff so all the cars can see you, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: for twenty bucks.
Speaker 1: How much good in the grand scheme of things is
Speaker 1: that actually gonna do to protect your brain, not your skull,
Speaker 1: but your brain. I feel like it's not as much
Speaker 1: as they would.
Speaker 2: Have you believe. I see your angle on this. How
Speaker 2: could it possibly protect as well as a helmet. That's
Speaker 2: where they quintuple the amount exactly. I see. Well, I
Speaker 2: have seen helmets that have been in accidents and they
Speaker 2: get cracked, you know, like a blow up crack all
Speaker 2: over the place, but the people say has saved their lives. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: but that could also be I'm sure you can buy
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars bike helmet. Sure, so maybe it might
Speaker 2: be one of those cases where the more you spend,
Speaker 2: the better it is for you.
Speaker 1: You get what you pay for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you get that five dollars bargain bin
Speaker 2: helmet and you go down, it's probably exactly like you say,
Speaker 2: as well, just wear a piece of paper on.
Speaker 1: You have a paper bag on your helmet, on it backwards.
Speaker 2: If you want.
Speaker 1: It would be yellow and it would say helmet like
Speaker 1: a no name bike happened, right, just the eyeballs cut
Speaker 1: out of it. That'd be fun. That'd be pretty good.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. I would like to see how
Speaker 2: the kid Joel wearing that he's one of our good buddies,
Speaker 2: and he wears a literal paper bag over his head
Speaker 2: when he goes to concerts.
Speaker 1: I would love to see ugly kid Jewel with a
Speaker 1: yellow bag over his head.
Speaker 2: I just like how we got to drop a nickname
Speaker 2: from the other show onto this show.
Speaker 1: It's pretty that feels good.
Speaker 2: I love the crossover. This is like all those crossovers
Speaker 2: and cartoons that we love so much and and TV.
Speaker 1: Should we take an opportunity's you know what, I'm the
Speaker 1: boss here. Nobody can tell me to do. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: So the Different Avenue Media Network. Oh, we're local, but
Speaker 1: there's lots of entertaining content on here right now. Well, interviews,
Speaker 1: there's sports, stuff's all kinds of things. Tell the tell
Speaker 1: the people of the nation. What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Why should people besides this super sweet backdrop, what is
Speaker 1: going on here that should draw people? And why should
Speaker 1: people check this out?
Speaker 2: So this is a passion project that we all built.
Speaker 2: And I say that with you and Network Ryan and
Speaker 2: Phenom and the rest of our team at the network,
Speaker 2: and the whole goal of this place is to make
Speaker 2: the world a better place. Because I've become so crippled
Speaker 2: with anxieties from leaving the house that I've tricked all
Speaker 2: my friends into coming here every day, hanging out, and
Speaker 2: together we make the world a better place by making
Speaker 2: people laugh and basically reminding people not to think about
Speaker 2: yourself first anymore. We've got to get back to the
Speaker 2: old way of caring about others before ourselves. And I
Speaker 2: always talk about karma being very real. You do these things,
Speaker 2: you make the world a better place, and then guess what,
Speaker 2: one day, I'm not going to be scared to go outside.
Speaker 2: My goal is to go out there and do this stuff.
Speaker 2: And we do that through our Twitch stream, through our
Speaker 2: Vocal Recording studio, through this very set here, and all
Speaker 2: the amazing shows that we have on the network. It's
Speaker 2: just a lot of fun and a lot of positivity.
Speaker 2: We have a big line no dicks, no assholes, so
Speaker 2: that from the Trailer Park Boys incredible show. Our neighbors
Speaker 2: down south might not know it as well, but that's
Speaker 2: like the main rule for any parties that they throw
Speaker 2: over at the rec center in town. No dicks, no assholes.
Speaker 2: And as long as you do that, everyone's happy and
Speaker 2: everyone wants to make a difference copathetic.
Speaker 1: We're making the world a better place one show at
Speaker 1: a time, right, That's it. I love that. So if
Speaker 1: you want to get involved again, check us out on YouTube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's lots of stuff going on. Go to dufferent Avenue
Speaker 1: dot com if you'd like to support the network and
Speaker 1: what we're doing here. It is it's a it's a thing, yeah,
Speaker 1: that we're doing. And if you want to get involved
Speaker 1: in any way, drop Gary Aline.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he absolutely, it's no, it's this is like literally,
Speaker 2: and this is the honest truth. The first guy I
Speaker 2: thought of when I wanted to start this was this
Speaker 2: guy because he's the only guy I knew that ever
Speaker 2: YouTube successfully, literally, and then he introduced me to the
Speaker 2: network Ryan, So YouTube were the precipice for this entire thing.
Speaker 2: So this thing was built out of CEO. So we're
Speaker 2: always so grateful to you guys for you know, showing
Speaker 2: us the way as we move forward.
Speaker 1: We would we would we would have done it for nothing,
Speaker 1: and we're we're happy we could have. We could have
Speaker 1: been here, and we wouldn't be here with everybody who's watching.
Speaker 1: So exactly, for everybody who's watching, should we provide for
Speaker 1: them some magic the gathering related content. Yes, this is
Speaker 1: terrifying because Ryan's just like, Okay, you a bunch of focks.
Speaker 2: Do you think he's gonna watch I mean, he might
Speaker 2: not even watch it, knowing that he's gonna be so mad.
Speaker 1: He's gonna watch this for sure, he's probably gonna hate watch. No,
Speaker 1: there's a camera right over there. Remember that time watching
Speaker 1: me and Ryan and he was trying to scare us
Speaker 1: by talking to.
Speaker 2: Us and stuff, and you guys just got confused.
Speaker 1: Me. I thought, I thought Maggie farted and I was like,
Speaker 1: what's going is? When is happening? Ever? But so he
Speaker 1: may be watching this right now.
Speaker 2: We don't have a good point. Serious, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: What I thought we could do is there's a couple
Speaker 1: of stories going around the kind of social media network,
Speaker 1: the socials about magic that have been going on, and
Speaker 1: what I thought would be kind of interesting would be
Speaker 1: to take those stories and tell them to somebody who
Speaker 1: isn't as ingrained in the magic universe as we all are,
Speaker 1: and maybe get an outsider's perspective on some of the
Speaker 1: things that have some people pretty lit up on on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Of course people are lit up on Twitter, but also
Speaker 1: in some of the other communities as well. I noticed
Speaker 1: it a DH and M. I've noticed on Facebook people
Speaker 1: are talking about it, because yes, I do pay attention
Speaker 1: to those things, even though people say I think I don't,
Speaker 1: I'm always lurking around.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: So the first item on the dock it is big
Speaker 1: Time anniversary fifty years of Dungeons and Dragons. This year
Speaker 1: and the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four is
Speaker 1: the fiftieth anniversary of one of the biggest brain games.
Speaker 2: Of all time. Great way of saying it.
Speaker 1: One of the ways that Wizards of the Coast that
Speaker 1: owns both Dungeons and Dragons and Magic the gathering is
Speaker 1: celebrating is with an additional god damn Secret Layer super
Speaker 1: Drop for those of us that don't know what.
Speaker 2: A Secret Layer is.
Speaker 1: That's a limited print run bunch of cards between four
Speaker 1: and seven cards for between thirty and forty dollars that
Speaker 1: you can buy four in some cases about two hours
Speaker 1: before they're sold out.
Speaker 2: What the hell? That does not seem very fair right now.
Speaker 1: The reason that they've gone to doing it in this
Speaker 1: way is over the last couple of years previous to this,
Speaker 1: people have complained about shipping times because you go in
Speaker 1: on X day and the sale goes from X to
Speaker 1: Y and everybody who buys in there, if you get
Speaker 1: early enough, sometimes the initial shipment, they'll get to you. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: In one case, actually for me, the Secret Layer took
Speaker 1: upwards of nine months to arise at my home.
Speaker 2: That's not even possible. How does that even happen?
Speaker 1: I know how mismanagement, Gary is, how that the ones
Speaker 1: miss management. So what they did was they said, guys,
Speaker 1: we hurd your concerns. All you people that went on
Speaker 1: and gave us money. Hell with you people. We're only
Speaker 1: printed in limited runs. We've got a specific number of
Speaker 1: these sets that we're gonna print, and that's all we're
Speaker 1: gonna print, and we're just gonna send those off. And
Speaker 1: if you get some, you get someone. If you don't,
Speaker 1: you can go yourself. Is basically what they've said.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I don't like that either. And we've got another drop
Speaker 1: that came out there was I believe five And I've
Speaker 1: got a funny Ste're gonna laugh. I love After we're
Speaker 1: done talking, I'll tell you at the end, we got
Speaker 1: to get to the end of this conversation. You got
Speaker 1: to tell my funny story. And a lot of the
Speaker 1: Ceco nationalites who have listened to me talk about Brando
Speaker 1: by secret Layers, they know where this is going.
Speaker 2: Perfect.
Speaker 1: There's five drops, two of them, the two that had
Speaker 1: the most financial worth, the cards that are worth the
Speaker 1: most dollars.
Speaker 2: Well maybe not even the sexies, just the most you.
Speaker 1: Know, they actually were the sexiest. There's a guy named Astrion,
Speaker 1: is called Astrion's Thirst. It's like he's a vampire guy,
Speaker 1: and they're all like the flufy shirt with like the
Speaker 1: deep beat down those belly bowl school vampires right right,
Speaker 1: very lestat interview with a vampire.
Speaker 2: Right in there, like Alu card from Castlevania three.
Speaker 1: That's right sexy. And then the other one is car Lash.
Speaker 1: She's like the the like if the Devil was kind
Speaker 1: of sexy, but in like a masculine sort of way.
Speaker 1: And that's not that sounds like I'm being dickhead, but
Speaker 1: like she's a very tough lady.
Speaker 2: She's got very jazz she devil.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh yeah, so also very but again pretty hot,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like these are two
Speaker 1: the two sexiest layers are also the two sexiest Layers
Speaker 1: sold out within an hour and then two hours.
Speaker 2: So can you buy them individually?
Speaker 1: Correct? Okay, so here's my question to you. Yes, in
Speaker 1: some cases the argument could be made. For example, the Assassin's
Speaker 1: Creed came out a few months ago. A couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, Assassin's Creed came out, and maybe the license
Speaker 1: that Wizards struck with Ubisoft was you can print this
Speaker 1: image onto a card x times for x money. Oh right,
Speaker 1: maybe that was part of it, and that's why there's
Speaker 1: a limited number of them, and maybe that's why those
Speaker 1: were the secret.
Speaker 2: Layers that sold out first. Something tells me that's not
Speaker 2: what you think.
Speaker 1: I was prepared to accept that argument until this drop
Speaker 1: care we go as Wizards of the Coasts owns dungeons
Speaker 1: and dragons, So why would there be a hard limit
Speaker 1: on how many they could print when there isn't a
Speaker 1: hard limit to how much money they could ultimately make.
Speaker 1: Because I'm here to tell you, I'm a Canadian citizen
Speaker 1: and I pay three hundred dollars to ship these goddamn
Speaker 1: things to my house and they don't arrive any fucking
Speaker 1: faster now that they've moved to this new model, so.
Speaker 2: Much money for noter right for nothing, pay for the
Speaker 2: ultimate promotionship and service.
Speaker 1: It will arrive to you before you die.
Speaker 2: Probably maybe right, it's not very I feel that. I
Speaker 2: don't feel that.
Speaker 1: As an as an outside human right. I tell you,
Speaker 1: these these collector things that are they're so hard to get,
Speaker 1: people are so frustrated about it.
Speaker 2: What do you think, you know? I feel my first
Speaker 2: thought is when I think of games that involve inclusion
Speaker 2: and the type of people that would basically go to
Speaker 2: bat for each other, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: you're all part of the same movement of magic, the Gathering,
Speaker 2: and the second you start listening to one or two complainers,
Speaker 2: you forget about the majority. And I don't mean like
Speaker 2: a little majority, like the big majority, Like we're talking
Speaker 2: like the ninety five percent of magic players. You're never
Speaker 2: going to win. They're all like I would may much
Speaker 2: rather have those people be a little bit upset. The
Speaker 2: ones that demand this, demand that listen to them, tell
Speaker 2: them they're heard. But this is who we're going to
Speaker 2: focus on, because this right here, this ninety five percent
Speaker 2: of Magic the Gathering players. They got us to this point.
Speaker 2: So we need to support these people, not alienate them.
Speaker 2: For the couple over here who are screaming at the
Speaker 2: top of the lungs, why would even listen to me? Rah?
Speaker 2: And it's not just in magic the gather, that's the
Speaker 2: whole world. It feels like it's sort of like that.
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's crept into this incredible community
Speaker 2: and it makes me sad.
Speaker 1: Makes me sad to just what I mean. I complained
Speaker 1: lots about it when the one took nine months?
Speaker 2: Did they give you any explanation for that?
Speaker 1: No? Nothing, nothing, not a not an iota of not
Speaker 1: jack all of shit did they give me. They But
Speaker 1: they did arrive. They they got there in a great
Speaker 1: big box. I felt good about that one. The shippings,
Speaker 1: the shipping on that one, I felt good.
Speaker 2: A big box worth a three hundred.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far. I would not go. And
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm complaining about it, but like you, like
Speaker 1: the people in the UK or South America or Australia,
Speaker 1: Holy shit, I feel so bad for you guys. Man.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's bad, but I think that you make
Speaker 1: a good point where the people that were complaining about,
Speaker 1: oh it takes too long. I just want my stuff
Speaker 1: right now. I want it right now. I feel like
Speaker 1: those people are in a minority when compared to the
Speaker 1: people that just want the fricking cards.
Speaker 2: That's it. Like, if I'm playing this incredible game, I
Speaker 2: want to have the same opportunity as everyone else to
Speaker 2: get whatever they're putting out. That's what I would like.
Speaker 2: And to cater to these sort of things, to rush things,
Speaker 2: or to go in a different direction than you're normally
Speaker 2: used to, just makes no sense to me. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why so many people think it's so
Speaker 2: important to cater to the very few just because they're
Speaker 2: screaming the loudest. That really throws me off. Like, you
Speaker 2: can address the situation, acknowledge it, let them know they're heard.
Speaker 2: But we also need to move in this direction because
Speaker 2: these are the people that God is here. We need
Speaker 2: to listen more to the actual people.
Speaker 1: We're in a world now where it makes sense, it
Speaker 1: certainly does, and the world of magic now is the
Speaker 1: people have gotten Wizards of the Coast to a point
Speaker 1: where we're in a like the lot of product coming
Speaker 1: out and they're they're making it so even the people
Speaker 1: that want it can't buy it.
Speaker 2: And that's that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't think that's okay. Like if
Speaker 1: if Gary said, next week, Yo, Brando, I want to
Speaker 1: get into Magic. I want to build my first deck,
Speaker 1: do it. I want it to be like here's the
Speaker 1: stuff I want for it, et cetera. And it's like,
Speaker 1: oh man, all that stuff came in that last secret Like,
Speaker 1: oh oops, can't have that. I'm sorry. That would piss
Speaker 1: me off because they don't have the A new player
Speaker 1: coming in doesn't have the depth of collection that somebody
Speaker 1: that has been playing for a long time. I am
Speaker 1: very privileged in that I've been playing Magic for twenty
Speaker 1: years and I've got all.
Speaker 2: The shit right, all of it.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe not all, but I do. I can build
Speaker 1: almost any deck I want and spend zero dollars. And
Speaker 1: I'm very, very, very fortunate in that I've been playing
Speaker 1: for a long time. I bought lots of stuff during
Speaker 1: the lull when Magic wasn't very popular. And now because
Speaker 1: of this show and the fantastic fans and listeners and
Speaker 1: members of CCO Nation, and I am living in a
Speaker 1: thing where we have sponsors that will help me continue
Speaker 1: to play this game to keep up with the product releases.
Speaker 1: But somebody like a Gary or like most of the
Speaker 1: people listening to this show, they don't have that. So
Speaker 1: I think that it's a disservice to the community when
Speaker 1: because a few people said, ooh, it took me four
Speaker 1: weeks to get my secretly you're holding that up against
Speaker 1: somebody that's like, man, like, I really want these cards,
Speaker 1: but I can't afford them, or I can't find them,
Speaker 1: and here they are and you could pay thirty bucks
Speaker 1: and I'm shipped to your house in four weeks, And
Speaker 1: I think that it's doing a disservice to the community
Speaker 1: to not make these more available.
Speaker 2: To other people, and not just that, it's a disservice
Speaker 2: to the actual game itself, because you are the one
Speaker 2: who gets those awesome, amazing cards, and I'll never have
Speaker 2: a chance to get them myself. So I will never
Speaker 2: be able to compete with you in any game because
Speaker 2: you had more money, or you had the complaining or
Speaker 2: you did whatever it was so you could corn in
Speaker 2: the market on these cards that I would love my deck,
Speaker 2: but I'll never have an opportunity to put them in there.
Speaker 1: And it's and that is the thing, and it's not fair, man.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: It is not and I would we do stay here
Speaker 1: here on the nation. Amount of money spent on a
Speaker 1: deck doesn't necessarily mean it's amazing. But there is a
Speaker 1: point where I just I want these things and I
Speaker 1: can't find, not even I can't afford them. I can't
Speaker 1: freaking find that.
Speaker 2: That's the biggest issu.
Speaker 1: Because there's a finite number of them. When you get
Speaker 1: a really cool reprint that people want for casual stuff
Speaker 1: and it only exists in this very very limited product,
Speaker 1: it kind of sucks when you can't just can't.
Speaker 2: Just have them, you know what I mean, here's a
Speaker 2: wild question for you. Sure would I be able to
Speaker 2: take just a normal card and get an artist like
Speaker 2: our good friend right now to paint it up as
Speaker 2: or is that cheating because it is put a brash
Speaker 2: taut on there, and then it won't be legal.
Speaker 1: If you had a landwar Elf and you had a
Speaker 1: brash taunture painted on the landmar Elf, that is cheating.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're not allowed to do that. I was ninete
Speaker 2: percent sure that's one to confirm.
Speaker 1: But if you want a brash taunter that has a
Speaker 1: picture of Gary on it, you could contact our good
Speaker 1: friend Ryan or go over to our Facebook auctions site
Speaker 1: every Thursday. There's new pieces up there that really helps
Speaker 1: Ryan out. It helps to show out it's a great
Speaker 1: thing to do, and it lets you express yourself and
Speaker 1: do some really cool stuff through the medium of art.
Speaker 1: If you are like me and you have no talent
Speaker 1: and can't paint cards on your own.
Speaker 2: And oh you're gonna do it, you gonna do it, Okay, If.
Speaker 1: You do want to learn how to have some artistic talent,
Speaker 1: you can go on over to our website Commander Cookout
Speaker 1: dot com and you can buy Get Gary. I've already
Speaker 1: replaced it.
Speaker 2: I haven't written any books.
Speaker 1: I've already replaced him Ryan's book which is available that
Speaker 1: it will actually walk you good painting your own cards,
Speaker 1: altering your own stuff sick.
Speaker 2: And he has a bunch of his cards that he's
Speaker 2: personally done. He had to re out to people that
Speaker 2: he had painted for and they sent him the copies
Speaker 2: like it's an incredible e book. I keep bugging him
Speaker 2: because I want a hard copy on here for the set.
Speaker 2: I do too, but apparently it's a little bit tough
Speaker 2: to do that transformation. So he's like, unless if it's
Speaker 2: only you, I can't really justify it. So if we
Speaker 2: got like a bunch of people.
Speaker 1: Like hard copy, it bro hard copy to print one,
Speaker 1: it is a lot. I very much to print one.
Speaker 1: I don't like a bunch.
Speaker 2: I want a copyright here.
Speaker 1: I do too, because it's easier to have one, like
Speaker 1: on an easel while you're like painting. Can you can reference?
Speaker 1: I don't reference my phone. The thing keeps turning off,
Speaker 1: and they tell me that there's a way to stop
Speaker 1: the phone from turning there isn't. I think that's horse shit.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work, But I don't think that's real. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's at all real.
Speaker 2: Absolutely the stupidest liar there it is. That's it. See
Speaker 2: the way, how awesome are all these shows up purely
Speaker 2: to see behind us?
Speaker 1: We have a ton of really great shows on the
Speaker 1: Commander Cookout, so be a group at large. We got
Speaker 1: Mac and Commander History. I know that Ryan's been recording
Speaker 1: lots of stuff with him. I forget what he told
Speaker 1: me the new the new episode would coming up his treasures.
Speaker 1: He's the new one. There they're doing. There we go.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: The one showing on the screen behind us.
Speaker 2: Right now, that's one of my favorite posters that we got.
Speaker 1: That's a Commander Monkey's with our boy super tall all killer,
Speaker 1: no filler, Shiller, Miller. He does the bite sized chunks
Speaker 1: of the magic the Gathering story for the current set
Speaker 1: in sixty seconds with pictures and animation, so very very cool. Good.
Speaker 1: We've also if you're into more CDH content and actually
Speaker 1: getting better at playing magic and not just being entertained
Speaker 1: wildly by the main show, what does cd mean? Competitive DH?
Speaker 1: DH stands for Elder Dragon Highlander, Right, maybe we don't
Speaker 1: think we were.
Speaker 2: Actually I've never learned this.
Speaker 1: Elder Dragon Highlander means. Elder Dragon were like the first
Speaker 1: kind of remember on the if you watched the CCO
Speaker 1: pre show this week, I explained to Gary where Commander
Speaker 1: came from. Yes, Elder Dragons were a group of cards
Speaker 1: from pretty early in Magic's history. There's a there's five
Speaker 1: of them, and then later on they printed five more
Speaker 1: on a set called Planer Chaos. And the Elder Dragons
Speaker 1: are like these big stupid creatures that got played absolutely nowhere,
Speaker 1: and they're the kind of cards that EDH was built around,
Speaker 1: Like these big dumb idiots that are fun And if
Speaker 1: I could just build a deck to make this card work.
Speaker 1: That's the origin.
Speaker 2: Of DH Do they look super sick though?
Speaker 1: Or some of them are very cool? Some of them
Speaker 1: look pretty stupid, but that's artistic talent and eye of
Speaker 1: the beholder business. I actually really like the old ones
Speaker 1: because the pictures are so kind of dirpy, right, Like
Speaker 1: one of them is like a steakhead going and it's
Speaker 1: just what the what the fuck?
Speaker 2: As an outsider, I gotta say I love the artwork
Speaker 2: of these cards. It's as a guy who knows nothing
Speaker 2: about it, just whenever I watch and I see them
Speaker 2: pop up on the screen thanks to editor Joe, it's
Speaker 2: like they look so sweet. And when you guys explain
Speaker 2: them and what they look like, even when you listen
Speaker 2: audible audio only audio audibly, like you describe them so well.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, this one huge knockers, this one, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like a big horn down there, like all this
Speaker 2: cool stuff that helps you visualize them. And then if
Speaker 2: you watch it on the YouTube you can see them.
Speaker 2: It's very cool. I love the artwork. So I totally
Speaker 2: derailed you there.
Speaker 1: But should people be watching on YouTube? Yes, there we
Speaker 1: go there see what we got?
Speaker 2: You got me there? Because I was like, waitch, you
Speaker 2: should be it would have been weird. How about you?
Speaker 1: I figured we're flying right now, you would catch that. Well.
Speaker 1: So that's where the that's the.
Speaker 2: Ed in the Eda Elder Dragon and h.
Speaker 1: Is from Highlander and the movie Highlander.
Speaker 2: Movieg get out and it will only be one.
Speaker 1: There can only be one and that's why you can
Speaker 1: only have one of any card in your deck, right dude.
Speaker 1: And then the scene was like capital E, capital D capital,
Speaker 1: a small C at the front, and C stands for competitive.
Speaker 1: Those are the people that build their decks to be
Speaker 1: I don't want to say did generate. That's the word
Speaker 1: that we use, but like they're they're the ones that
Speaker 1: they tune the deck to do the thing, and the
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, I can't say all. John
Speaker 1: from Gemstone Mine also on the Commander Cookout media group
Speaker 1: here on YouTube can tell you more about that. But
Speaker 1: like they kind of put the aesthetic and sameness of
Speaker 1: a deck aside and replace that with just I want
Speaker 1: my Rube Goldberg machine of a deck to win games.
Speaker 1: That's what I want, Whereas other people would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want this deck to be nothing. But people holding
Speaker 1: books is a really popular one people with no hair
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: That leads into my next question. When you talk about
Speaker 2: certain deck build types, like say a hug type group,
Speaker 2: hup hug type or those certain things, how many different
Speaker 2: sort of labels are there for those because they're a
Speaker 2: bunch of them, Oh boy, yes, okay? And who makes them.
Speaker 1: Up the community at large typically, and.
Speaker 2: Then they can name it themselves.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you make a deck, you can tell us what
Speaker 1: it is, and it will typically fall into a category
Speaker 1: of some sort. Like there's I think there's basically four
Speaker 1: main super categories. There's a there's an agro deck, which
Speaker 1: is an aggressive deck that focuses on I'm going to
Speaker 1: make creatures and beat you to death with them sounds.
Speaker 1: Then there's control decks. Those are ones that typically revolve
Speaker 1: around preventing your opponents from doing whatever their thing is.
Speaker 2: Ah that so say you want to go agro control deck,
Speaker 2: would say, I see your agro and comment them down.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, you'll play less dudes.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I was fanning your wiener on
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that it's very warm.
Speaker 2: Whenever I think about monsters, that's the first place.
Speaker 1: That dumpster fire we were sitting in front of it.
Speaker 1: We're still burning over there.
Speaker 2: It's a big deal thege.
Speaker 1: So that's a control deck and they kind of control
Speaker 1: the flow of battle until they can do whatever they
Speaker 1: do to win, which is in a lot of cases
Speaker 1: a combo which is the next thing, and a combo
Speaker 1: deck is a deck that is designed to do I'll
Speaker 1: say one thing really well, where the goal is to
Speaker 1: go from I'm setting my stuff up to I have
Speaker 1: assembled all of my pieces and you all lose. It's
Speaker 1: pretty smart, right, Like I do enough damage to kill
Speaker 1: all of you, I play enough spells to do whatever.
Speaker 1: That's a combo deck. And then in DH there is
Speaker 1: another type of deck called a Voltron deck, which revolves
Speaker 1: around killing people with your commander card. So the deck
Speaker 1: focuses almost entirely on taking that creature that you always
Speaker 1: have access to, making it as big and scary as
Speaker 1: possible and killing.
Speaker 2: People with it. Is that where the Vultron name came from,
Speaker 2: making it big and scary?
Speaker 1: Yes, like this Voltron or all the lions go together
Speaker 1: like a big robot. Cool, It's same again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, might be more from Power Rangers before more from
Speaker 2: Power Range exactly.
Speaker 1: Yea and car and from there, of course there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of like subcategories. Group hug is in there, and yeah,
Speaker 1: well backs and goblins and all that shit. They all
Speaker 1: kind of just go in.
Speaker 2: So with that hug deck that you guys had, and
Speaker 2: you were talking about how you play with those decks.
Speaker 2: So is the point of this one specifically to help
Speaker 2: everyone at the game and you just don't try to win?
Speaker 2: Is that what a hug deck is?
Speaker 1: That's what people tell you they are as people have.
Speaker 2: You don't sound like believe that.
Speaker 1: I don't believe group hug exists. Interesting, I don't think
Speaker 1: that they're real decks. I think that they're they're sneaky
Speaker 1: political machines. Because more than anything, Commander is a very
Speaker 1: social format, which is another reason why it's so popular,
Speaker 1: is because and CCO Nation can attest to this. Where
Speaker 1: you're gonna sit down with your buds, you're gonna drink
Speaker 1: a beer, you're gonna drink a pop, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a good time for an hour and a half or so,
Speaker 1: right like the sidewalk slam. Exactly like sidewalk slams, that's
Speaker 1: the same. That's the point of the That's what Commander is.
Speaker 1: There for in general, is the field that lots of
Speaker 1: people get and that's why it became so popular.
Speaker 2: And is it the biggest absolutely, Oh yes, yes, we're
Speaker 2: in the forties. They don't come around.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that here in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: And I have so many questions curious.
Speaker 1: I like that it's good, and so what the what
Speaker 1: the hell were we even talking to me?
Speaker 2: We were talking about hug decks.
Speaker 1: Hug decks are a I'm gonna you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it right here. I think that there's
Speaker 1: agro control, voltron combo, and political decks, and I think
Speaker 1: that the political deck is the group hug deck. That
Speaker 1: it tricks you into thinking it's helping you when really
Speaker 1: it's not. It's like, here, here's all these rocks. You
Speaker 1: can throw the rocks at your opponents and they'll die
Speaker 1: and then me and you're like, oh yeah, I got
Speaker 1: all these rocks they're chucking, and then they pop a
Speaker 1: hole in your boat and you got all these rocks,
Speaker 1: and you sink. That's what group hug is.
Speaker 2: Sabotage.
Speaker 1: It's it's very and they do that by the quality
Speaker 1: of their cards or what their cards do they do
Speaker 1: it with their them sitting at a table can do
Speaker 1: so crazy.
Speaker 2: So that's another, like you said, a game style where
Speaker 2: you it doesn't really matter what cards you have, but
Speaker 2: more about how you sell them to everyone exactly interest.
Speaker 1: And there's and like that. I think that the lower
Speaker 1: power you get, the more like is it riz? The
Speaker 1: kids still say riz.
Speaker 2: Ago.
Speaker 1: The more riz your deck has, the more likely you
Speaker 1: are to do better. And like the lower power levels
Speaker 1: because you can convince everybody, no, it's just a bunch
Speaker 1: of things with everything with pink eyes is in this deck.
Speaker 1: Loll and then you know everybody everybody's dead. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I draw a doorknob and a sock. No again, Now
Speaker 1: I've drawn all your wallets out of your pockets.
Speaker 2: And the way you go, you all district the poison.
Speaker 2: I'm taking everything.
Speaker 1: See later. Here's the last thing. And I'm I'm very
Speaker 1: interested to hear what you think of this story. Gary.
Speaker 1: This is the one that's been kind of blown up socials.
Speaker 1: The last couple of weeks was two can Sam.
Speaker 2: The card dude I saw was it never grand? That
Speaker 2: posted on the twitters on the X it was super cool,
Speaker 2: legit he was on there. I know you guys were
Speaker 2: trying to get that done for a long time and
Speaker 2: we got her.
Speaker 1: My boy, uh my boy, Zach did once. That was
Speaker 1: that's very cool.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on. His name is Zach. It's kind
Speaker 2: of boring.
Speaker 1: And revels light on Twitter. He's a really he's a
Speaker 1: really nice man. If if you like alter art stuff,
Speaker 1: revelands light on Twitter. He's a really nice dude. Him
Speaker 1: and his wife, they do they do.
Speaker 2: Really just feels weird hearing some of his normal name.
Speaker 1: On this shows. I'll call him cat way better this
Speaker 1: real quick cat instead old cat. Old cat.
Speaker 2: Making the world a better place. We're all about.
Speaker 1: That's that's how we do it better better. The air
Speaker 1: quotes so too can Sam was a card that went
Speaker 1: into the other formats. The sixty by four as I
Speaker 1: like to call them, talked about that on the pre show.
Speaker 1: Everybody out there, hopefully we all know what legacy and
Speaker 1: modern and stuff are, and the card just ruined it
Speaker 1: for everybody because everybody's playing this card, right, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: planning to do or you got to play something that
Speaker 1: beats me to do, or you lose. That's what it is.
Speaker 2: So like the super opiate.
Speaker 1: It's just it was too much. It was a design mistake.
Speaker 1: And Wizards, the guys that make the cards, they admitted
Speaker 1: as much.
Speaker 2: I love that. By the way, I just want to say,
Speaker 2: a huge process, because no one ever does that.
Speaker 1: Oh but wait, wait, wait, there's more I figured in
Speaker 1: there saying that it was a mistake. They they showed
Speaker 1: what the card initially did, hopefully joke and find it
Speaker 1: and put it on the screen, and you guys can
Speaker 1: see what's see what the card originally was supposed to do,
Speaker 1: and it was pretty underpowered. They go, who's gonna play this?
Speaker 1: Nobody likes this, but we gotta like, let's let's juice
Speaker 1: it up a little bit so that it'll see like
Speaker 1: some play and you know, the Commander guys will really
Speaker 1: like it. Commander, I think in Wizards of the Coast's eyes,
Speaker 1: I think is the casual format. I think that that's
Speaker 1: where they see buddies gonna go to his local game stories,
Speaker 1: I want to try Magic for the first time, and
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna get it on Commander because it's the
Speaker 1: social format. It technically, I would argue that it is
Speaker 1: the format that costs the least actual money to get
Speaker 1: in on with the lowest skill floor, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you can you can draft for less money,
Speaker 1: but you got to be good at draft to actually
Speaker 1: understand how to get good to be good at it
Speaker 1: right where you can just pay some money and you're
Speaker 1: good at Commander if you know how to play magic
Speaker 1: with the new decks. So they kind of put the
Speaker 1: overpowering of this card on the lapse of the Commander player.
Speaker 1: And again in this arc, we're gonna use Commanders as
Speaker 1: the casual player of a format, and lots of people
Speaker 1: kind of came out of the word all those damn
Speaker 1: Commanders players. They're trying to they're getting catered to too much,
Speaker 1: and they're getting too many things put on them. And
Speaker 1: the question that I would like to ask you as
Speaker 1: a as a sports person, because yes, there was a
Speaker 1: time where Magic was on ESPN, so technically it's a sport.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, bro, hell yeah. So at what point does
Speaker 1: the governing body of a sport catering to the in
Speaker 1: maybe the grand scheme of things, the lowest common denominator,
Speaker 1: the casual enjoyer of that sport. At what point does
Speaker 1: the governing body catering too much to that particular segment
Speaker 1: of the population begin to filter up and start to
Speaker 1: hurt the big time, the big leagues, the bigs, the show,
Speaker 1: the the I can't think of any I can't think
Speaker 1: of any other sports analogies.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the.
Speaker 1: Guys that do curling good. I don't know the Olympics,
Speaker 1: don't I don't know anything about sports.
Speaker 2: Dude, that was very well. I think if I didn't
Speaker 2: know you, I would think you were a sports expert.
Speaker 2: Oh sherely presented that. Well, thank you. And this goes
Speaker 2: back again to listening to the one percent, the five
Speaker 2: percent of people that are yelling the loudest. And in
Speaker 2: every sport, every like pro sport, like the Big Four
Speaker 2: you got basketball, football, hockey, baseball, and all four of those,
Speaker 2: there has been so much catering to the few and
Speaker 2: just ignoring the many. And it's I truly believe it's
Speaker 2: because of the world that we live in. It's everything
Speaker 2: I just said before applies here as well as in
Speaker 2: like in hockey for instance, to go back helmets, we
Speaker 2: talked about helmets. Yeah, a couple of people complained, oh,
Speaker 2: you can't be uh can't be wearing you should be
Speaker 2: wearing helmets and it took them a long time to
Speaker 2: finally put helmets on hockey players' heads. Fighting in hockey
Speaker 2: here's a perfect example. Yeah, every person outside of the sport,
Speaker 2: it says fighting has to go. It's barbaric. It has
Speaker 2: no place in the sport if you and this has
Speaker 2: been proven because they've sort of done like a mini
Speaker 2: sort of survey of this. But if you were to
Speaker 2: talk to the majority of the NHL players that are
Speaker 2: actually in the game with the fighting, the only people
Speaker 2: that it affects, every single one of them wants fighting
Speaker 2: in it because they understand that it's a deterrent, deterrent, deterrent, deterrent,
Speaker 2: deterrent for the cheap shot artist. It keeps everyone in line.
Speaker 2: If you go and smack my friend Brando in the
Speaker 2: head with a stick, guess what I'm gonna come after you, bro,
Speaker 2: and you'll never do that again. They can't do that
Speaker 2: now because they've taken fighting out of every level, I believe,
Speaker 2: except the NL. NHL the last one holding on to
Speaker 2: it because the players want it there. But you have
Speaker 2: the entire world around them saying you can't do that.
Speaker 2: You can't. Could you imagine telling someone they can't do
Speaker 2: something when that person telling you doesn't have anything to
Speaker 2: do with the game nothing, No, they're just outside.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. No, no, don't do.
Speaker 2: That now, like it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: And you can find examples of that in all of
Speaker 2: these sports.
Speaker 1: So do you think taking that example, yes, the NHL,
Speaker 1: that's this is a good I'm gonna I feel really smart.
Speaker 1: My brain is big. The NHL is trying to eliminate fighting,
Speaker 1: not by eliminating it from the rules, but by eliminating
Speaker 1: it from the upcoming players who learned all look at
Speaker 1: Margaret Special cameo. The up and coming players will have
Speaker 1: learned to play hockey without fighting, and there will be
Speaker 1: a point where all of the NHL guys that want
Speaker 1: it have retired and moved on, and now all the
Speaker 1: players that have come up there now there is no
Speaker 1: fighting because everybody learned hockey with no fighting. So you
Speaker 1: would you run around, would you suggest that maybe maybe
Speaker 1: Watsa has had enough of these these legacy players and
Speaker 1: these modern players.
Speaker 2: Always pushing you out without telling you always.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think that that's the that's the gimmick they're
Speaker 1: trying to turn all magic into because they've already turned
Speaker 1: all magic into Commander. They've already done that. And do
Speaker 1: you think that I don't want us to I don't
Speaker 1: want us to be conspiratorial here, But would you say
Speaker 1: that maybe this is like pushing the limits a little bit,
Speaker 1: like maybe if you just because here's here's the thing,
Speaker 1: this is the and this is real life if you're
Speaker 1: a modern player. And I feel so much for the
Speaker 1: modern player who goes out to build a deck. That's
Speaker 1: not cheap. Building magic decks is not cheap, especially if
Speaker 1: you're trying to compete. Okay, that's that. This is buying
Speaker 1: new hockey, this is hockey equipment level.
Speaker 2: This is and the analogies are on fire Ring now
Speaker 2: bro big dollars and then it gets banned out from
Speaker 2: nt of them.
Speaker 1: So now you've spent X hundreds of dollars on doing
Speaker 1: this and now you have now you've got rectangles of
Speaker 1: shitty cardboard that nobody but the Commander players want. So
Speaker 1: do you think that they're just like they have these
Speaker 1: little frustration moments to not incentivize people to not play modern,
Speaker 1: but to say, hey, man, like it's a game of balance.
Speaker 1: Sometime we make mistakes oops, and then so greasy Eventually
Speaker 1: people that's so greasy enter magic by playing commander, are
Speaker 1: just gonna say you know what, I don't want to
Speaker 1: They're gonna see what's oh man, they don't know what
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, my cousin just played in the do
Speaker 1: and he got all banned out and now he's you
Speaker 1: know it, took out a second mortgage on his house
Speaker 1: and he just sold me all his nedus for a
Speaker 1: buck and a box of cereal? Right like, do you
Speaker 1: think that, oh I could open?
Speaker 2: Does that?
Speaker 1: Does that sound legitimate? Does that sound like me being insane?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Am I being insane right now?
Speaker 2: No? You are not. You open my my entire brain
Speaker 2: on this. It almost hurt. Oh my brain doesn't like
Speaker 2: to work very hard. When you said is this sort
Speaker 2: of the plan? Without telling you the plan? Another great example,
Speaker 2: going back to hockey with the helmets. They have the
Speaker 2: grandfather in claws. So if you wore a helmet before
Speaker 2: this time, then you can wear your helmet for the
Speaker 2: rest of your career. Okay, so that's why, or you
Speaker 2: you don't have to start the reverse. So if you
Speaker 2: didn't want to wear a helmet when they said you
Speaker 2: have to wear a helmet, it was fine, but anyone
Speaker 2: else after you has to wear helmets. The last way
Speaker 2: you had a guy that Craig mctabish, when the last
Speaker 2: guys to play hockey without a helmet when everyone else
Speaker 2: is wearing one, looks so badass. Definitely not a smart move,
Speaker 2: but looks so bad ass.
Speaker 1: Wear a helmet when you play hockey.
Speaker 2: Very important. But that's that's sort of the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, we're going to cater to the people that
Speaker 2: are complaining about this, but we're gonna do it in
Speaker 2: a koy way where it won't be put upon us
Speaker 2: so we don't have to deal with the consequences of
Speaker 2: pissing off the rest of the league. Chewing tobacco and
Speaker 2: baseball same thing. Chewing tobacco. It is literally a staple
Speaker 2: when it comes to baseball. I only play Rex sports
Speaker 2: so I can drop down right, and that's what I do.
Speaker 2: I love chewing tobacco, and it's from baseball. It's from
Speaker 2: growing up watching all those like Pat Borders, Blue Jays
Speaker 2: catcher Eddie Sprague, all these guys pull on like Padro Rodriguez,
Speaker 2: all of my heroes. Huge wad to chew every time.
Speaker 2: It got me like this and again, looking back. This
Speaker 2: is probably why they're making sure they don't do it anymore.
Speaker 2: So the kids don't chew tobacco. So very smart, but
Speaker 2: they never put it like that. But if you were
Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball before they said no more chewing tobacco,
Speaker 2: you're good. Okay, until you retire, you can still chew.
Speaker 2: But anybody who came up to the league after that time,
Speaker 2: that deadline was set, no chewing tobacco. So you'll be
Speaker 2: sitting there on the bench, not allowed to have a
Speaker 2: big devil. I got one in here literally with a
Speaker 2: camera seeing it. You want to write to spit all
Speaker 2: the time in baseball. It' because you're spinning out your chew.
Speaker 2: That is, Yeah, seeds are two. That's how it goes.
Speaker 2: So with that again, grandfathering it in. They don't want
Speaker 2: to be the bad guy's taking everyone's tewing tobacco away,
Speaker 2: but these are their rules now. So sorry, kids coming up,
Speaker 2: you can't have as much fun as the old guys.
Speaker 2: I think you're definitely onto something that could be getting
Speaker 2: the outcome you want without showing your work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just kind of it's greasy, man, when you
Speaker 1: control it all the way. I think again, I don't
Speaker 1: want to sound conspiratorial, but when you control it all
Speaker 1: the way along the when you control the means of production,
Speaker 1: I guess is the right. Like everybody coming up, when
Speaker 1: they come up with a certain mindset and a certain way, eventually.
Speaker 2: That becomes the normal.
Speaker 1: The old way just naturally falls off. That's works nobody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one notices their complaint because they don't know
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that that's going on in magic,
Speaker 1: but it could be like it's maybe it is. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Because one of the things that Wizards of
Speaker 1: the Coast and we're running a long on time er,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna be we're gonna be quick. But one
Speaker 1: of the things that the hell I know, it goes fast.
Speaker 2: Hey, when I'm in.
Speaker 1: There, it's so boring.
Speaker 2: It's so fast. It's not boring. It's just like I'm
Speaker 2: paying attention to everything and I'm trying to get the
Speaker 2: good angles like Pheenom's doing. So I you know, I'm
Speaker 2: like sort of in it, but I'm not really in it.
Speaker 2: When I'm really in it, it's just like, yeah, sorry to interrupt, don't.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: We're talking about the conspiracy, making you think that they're
Speaker 2: not wanting the outcome that they're actually trying to work towards.
Speaker 1: But then they're getting it because they're scum. Now they're
Speaker 1: not scum. They are giving us a.
Speaker 2: Game that we love, and that's a thing.
Speaker 1: But oh, I remember what it was.
Speaker 2: It was going to come back.
Speaker 1: Wizards of the Coast doesn't acknowledge the secondary market, which
Speaker 1: is the the game stories, the singles, when you trade
Speaker 1: cards back and forth with your friends, right, lgs exactly,
Speaker 1: thank you. They don't get a cut of that really, right.
Speaker 1: So when it in the long run, in a format
Speaker 1: like Legacy, which is very very expensive to play in
Speaker 1: all old cards that are very difficult to get, that
Speaker 1: the there's an agreement where watsy will not reprint those
Speaker 1: cards ever again. So what exists on Earth right now
Speaker 1: is what exists right and that's where that's where some
Speaker 1: of the crazy values come from. That's why those cards
Speaker 1: that are worth thousands of dollars exactly legendary drops exactly precisely.
Speaker 1: And so but when you have like a big format
Speaker 1: like Legacy, they probably don't pay as close attention to
Speaker 1: a thing like that as they should because the only
Speaker 1: time they make any money on it is when a
Speaker 1: Nadu comes out and all the legacy and modern guys
Speaker 1: are like, holy shit, I can win goddamn tournaments with that,
Speaker 1: and then everybody runs something buys it. That's the only
Speaker 1: time they make money off of and what they're called
Speaker 1: eternal sets because they're just they're unchanging, right, and unless
Speaker 1: they inject something into it to shake it up, they
Speaker 1: don't make no money off of it, whereas a format
Speaker 1: like Commander is much much easier to just print things
Speaker 1: into because somebody's always going to want a scarecrow. Somebody's
Speaker 1: always gonna want the raccoon guy.
Speaker 2: Is that because it's one hundred cars instead of the
Speaker 2: sixty of the forties, and it's designed around doing whatever
Speaker 2: you want and being creative and just all the frogs
Speaker 2: in Bloomborough.
Speaker 1: I got lots of frogs just there you go, glor
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play any of them except for Glarb.
Speaker 1: I played Glarb and hell Guy play Glarb and hell Gay,
Speaker 1: But like, I have them because I think they're awesome, right,
Speaker 1: And there's lots of other people out there that collect
Speaker 1: cards just based on that, So there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: more wriggle room. When you're going after people that are
Speaker 1: you're trying to inspire them their them to be excited
Speaker 1: about a thing rather than trying to get them to
Speaker 1: get a game piece that fits better into an established
Speaker 1: strategy and established meta of strategies. Right, it's a lot
Speaker 1: easier to put shit into that, into the casual stuff
Speaker 1: and right, so maybe that's why they do stuff like this.
Speaker 1: I don't no if if you out there have any
Speaker 1: kind of comment on that, please let us know down below,
Speaker 1: because I'd love to know what other people think, Like,
Speaker 1: is this am I being insane? Like? Am I am
Speaker 1: I asking Gary crazy shit? Right now? I don't feel
Speaker 1: like am I dragging him directly down the rabbit hole?
Speaker 1: And we're gonna drink a little potion and then one
Speaker 1: of us is gonna get tall, and that's gonna get short,
Speaker 1: and the tall one is gonna cry, and the little
Speaker 1: one's gonna have to jump in a bottle and float around,
Speaker 1: and he finds a key hole so that they go
Speaker 1: out of the rabbit hole, and then they're gonna find
Speaker 1: a rabbit with a watch, and somebody's gonna try and
Speaker 1: cut off our fricking heads.
Speaker 2: I'm into all that as long as we can switch Wieners.
Speaker 1: No, damn no, I'm keeping mine. I really like mine.
Speaker 2: It's what a good one for onths You're fine, Gary, dude,
Speaker 2: I got the network crying Wanery. Well, I shouldn't say
Speaker 2: that on TV. I guess, hey, just I'm like this.
Speaker 1: Network, rand though tiny network. Rinds a great guy and
Speaker 1: we we wish him very very well in his post
Speaker 1: off recovery.
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you're out there but so
Speaker 2: and then get back soon.
Speaker 1: When Brando another Brando are in the chair. This is
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you get so well. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're still here, we really appreciate everybody hanging in there.
Speaker 1: I want to thank Gary and having us here.
Speaker 2: So much fun. Like I said, it went by way
Speaker 2: too fast. I felt like we were just getting rolling
Speaker 2: and now we have to leave, and.
Speaker 1: Now we got now we gotta go. Maybe we need
Speaker 1: to do it again sometimes I'll see how good we
Speaker 1: did with the people. Think let us know how we did,
Speaker 1: and if you want to see more of us, we
Speaker 1: are going to start. We've had a few requests on
Speaker 1: the discord. The streams are coming. We're gonna do some
Speaker 1: battle on the.
Speaker 2: Damn Twitch chan Jeff and media on Twitch.
Speaker 1: We're we're gonna be at that on the list. The
Speaker 1: summer has just been so damn busy, and Ryan's hurt
Speaker 1: and like the weddings, and.
Speaker 2: Once we're back in routine, we're gonna be all over
Speaker 2: that to Feenom's gonna be on there. We're gonna a
Speaker 2: bunch of people rolling. It's gonna be if you love
Speaker 2: video games, which I'm sure you do, that's where to go.
Speaker 1: We're your place to come. So thanks to Gary, thanks
Speaker 1: to all you for listening, Thanks to Phenom for sticking
Speaker 1: in extra late. Well done, And we're gonna be back
Speaker 1: and we'll probably talk about maybe some cards, maybe some sets,
Speaker 1: who the hell knows we're gonna be up to on
Speaker 1: the next episode of Commander Cookout podcast in Arthnes