Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling me busy
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. Thank you very much, Nicole. First of all,
Speaker 1: let me be the first to wish you a happy
Speaker 1: marcht A meteorological spring, as I'm sure you know, starts
Speaker 1: in less than four hours, and I will take everyone
Speaker 1: right to the cusp of the meteorological spring.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and you know what I'll be listening into.
Speaker 2: And I don't care what kind of spring at this point.
Speaker 2: Just get this ice off of my street. Care what
Speaker 2: we have to do. Although, yeah, we're getting a little
Speaker 2: bit more of like the winter push and we're kind
Speaker 2: of in that weird in between where snow is nice
Speaker 2: and you know the first part of winter and now
Speaker 2: it's just like, please just let me be done. I
Speaker 2: think we're all a little afraid.
Speaker 1: The beginning of the mud season here. Yeah it's a
Speaker 1: simple as that. But I just think it's great. March
Speaker 1: is here, spring training is for real, Baseball is very close.
Speaker 1: All good things here in December, January and February four
Speaker 1: hours snow being a rear y isn't that exciting?
Speaker 2: Get out of here, yes, very much.
Speaker 1: Enjoy your weekend having ball.
Speaker 2: Have you read too, my friend, Thank you, thanks to Cale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in an upbeat mood. We have a great
Speaker 1: show schedule for you and I provided pretty much by
Speaker 1: the White House players. It was a wild scene today.
Speaker 1: We're going to get to all of that beginning at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock tonight. My name is Dan Ray. Rob Brooks
Speaker 1: is back in the control room tonight. I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be a busy night for you. Rob on
Speaker 1: the phone, so that's a good thing. We'll get you
Speaker 1: all the way until February first, I mean, rather than
Speaker 1: March first. This is February twenty eighth, the end of
Speaker 1: the month. I know it's not a leap year, so
Speaker 1: there's no extra day in February this year. March first
Speaker 1: is less than four hours away. We have a four
Speaker 1: very special and interesting guest to talk about a variety
Speaker 1: of subjects. Going to talk about reopening at the Freedom Trail,
Speaker 1: going to talk about why women outlive men. I think
Speaker 1: I know the answer to that, and then we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the dating habits of gen Z. They
Speaker 1: apparently don't want to date anybody with whom they disagree
Speaker 1: with politically. In terms of sports teams, they're very Picky.
Speaker 1: We'll get to all of that, but first I want
Speaker 1: to welcome Chris Mancini. He is the executive director of
Speaker 1: Save the Harbor, Save the Bay, And I guess on
Speaker 1: Sunday gonna be a little chili on Sunday. Chris, how
Speaker 1: are you this evening? Yeah, it's too bad. This wasn't tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be a nicer day tomorrow. A little
Speaker 1: chili on Sunday, I'm told. And this is the Save
Speaker 1: the Harbor's fiftieth annual Shamrock Splash at Constitution Beach in
Speaker 1: East Boston. You must have some very courageous people supporting
Speaker 1: your organization, because I liked to maybe dip my toes
Speaker 1: into the beach water, you know, once it warms up
Speaker 1: mid to late September.
Speaker 3: Well, like you.
Speaker 4: Said, it's spring, so we're going swimming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, there's no doubt about that. Okay, So
Speaker 1: first we'll tell us about your group, Save the Harbor,
Speaker 1: Saved the Bay. Which harbor? Which bay? I assume is
Speaker 1: Boston Harbor, right.
Speaker 4: That's right. Save the Harbor, say, Boston Harbor, founded in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty six, helped clean up the harbor where we
Speaker 4: had I think it's called the Harbor of Shame because
Speaker 4: of the millions of gallons of sewage going out there
Speaker 4: every day. But as a result of all that work
Speaker 4: over the last almost forty years, you know, we have
Speaker 4: the cleanest urban beaches in the country, and so we
Speaker 4: start celebrating that as soon as possible with our annual
Speaker 4: Jet Blue sponsored Shamrock Splash. We'll be there Sunday morning
Speaker 4: from eleven till two. We're going to be plunging our
Speaker 4: polar Plunge. Folks are raising money for it right now,
Speaker 4: and we turn around and we grant that money out
Speaker 4: to kids programs, community organizations, literacy programs, all to do
Speaker 4: free public events on our our amazing clean beaches all
Speaker 4: summer long.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, there was a Superior Court judge,
Speaker 1: I think it was Paul Garretty who was in charge
Speaker 1: of the cleanup of the harbor.
Speaker 4: He was sludge Judge, the flooded blood Judge Garrety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great friend from for many years and uh he's
Speaker 1: passed on, but uh what it's just just a great guy.
Speaker 1: So so all of this takes place at Constitution Beach
Speaker 1: in East Boston. Let's let's get some of the times
Speaker 1: and what time people should be there. So I want
Speaker 1: to find out if there is some hearty souls out
Speaker 1: there tonight who were who would like to join you
Speaker 1: in the polar plunge. We want to get in. So
Speaker 1: let's let's let's talk about the timing of this. What
Speaker 1: what time folks? It says eleven to two? What time
Speaker 1: can folks turn up? All right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well so you know the chiefs got a shamrock
Speaker 4: splash dot or you can get all the details. But yeah,
Speaker 4: we start at eleven That's when people are showing up
Speaker 4: and signing in. At eleven forty five am, we're doing
Speaker 4: our costume contest. We have six round trip Jet Blue
Speaker 4: flights that people are going to walk home with on Sunday,
Speaker 4: and two of those folks are going to win that
Speaker 4: costume contest and take a Jet Blue flight home. So
Speaker 4: you can show up in costume. You know, here's the
Speaker 4: cheet code. You don't even have to go in the water,
Speaker 4: although there is a little bit of street cred to
Speaker 4: be earned for that. So yeah, eleven forty five is
Speaker 4: the costume contest. At twelve sharp, we splash and you
Speaker 4: can stay in for half a second, which might be preferable.
Speaker 4: Or We've got a couple folks there who try to
Speaker 4: break their record every year, and I think they're up
Speaker 4: to ten minutes they sit there in this ice bath,
Speaker 4: but I will say it looks like it's going to
Speaker 4: be cold. We are also sponsored by FMC Ice Sports.
Speaker 4: They run the ice rink right there. I think they
Speaker 4: moved to practice so that we can all be in
Speaker 4: there warming up. They have hot showers, hot chocolate, So
Speaker 4: if anyone's on the fence, it's going to be called
Speaker 4: show up anyway, because we've got Sam Adams there, We've
Speaker 4: got down Eastsider, we've got food from East Boston, and
Speaker 4: we've got warm showers and the ice drink to keep
Speaker 4: us warm if we need it well.
Speaker 1: And how how many folks do you think you attract,
Speaker 1: either as participants or people who actually jump in the water.
Speaker 1: What what have you done in prior years? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got we've got, you know, three hundred people
Speaker 4: on the beach, and depending on the weather on the day,
Speaker 4: you know how many of those folks are going in
Speaker 4: the water, and then how many just wrap themselves into
Speaker 4: towel and then shiver to act like they did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't think that that many people
Speaker 1: who would take the time to show up. I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the difference between if the water temperature is thirty
Speaker 1: seven and thirty six? You really can't tell the difference
Speaker 1: when you think about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got perfect pitch for water temperature.
Speaker 4: But I don't know how common that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And so do people raise funds? Is there
Speaker 1: a participant participatory? See? How do you raise the money?
Speaker 1: Do people pledge a dollar for every second someone who's
Speaker 1: staying in the water? How does this work?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: You sign up, You register for thirty dollars. You can
Speaker 4: also buy a ticket to the event for thirty dollars. Actually,
Speaker 4: the only thing we do all year that's cost any money.
Speaker 4: Everything else save the Harbord does is free, open to
Speaker 4: the public. We go cruises to the Harbor islands, We
Speaker 4: do concerts and camps and all sorts of great stuff.
Speaker 4: So there's that. So you can show up.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 4: You can pay the thirty dollars and enjoy all the
Speaker 4: food and beverages and the costume contest for that and
Speaker 4: yes on shamrocks blush. I know, you can also set
Speaker 4: up a fundraising page, and we're two days out, so
Speaker 4: there's not that much time left to fundraise. But we
Speaker 4: are just about five thousand dollars shy of our fifty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars goal, and so we are really looking for
Speaker 4: some folks. If you just want to log on, you
Speaker 4: can donate to me, or you can donate to any
Speaker 4: of the participants up there.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's let's give the website nice, nice and
Speaker 1: slowly so everybody can can write it down.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, you got it, of course, www dot shamrock,
Speaker 4: splash dot org.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know that w W. Yeah, that w W stuff.
Speaker 1: That's that's long gone. I don't know. I was like, shamrock, No,
Speaker 1: trust me, I do this. A bunch of dots shamrock
Speaker 1: splash dot org will get you to exactly where you
Speaker 1: want to go. It's as simple as that. Yeah. Www
Speaker 1: was was pretty good about twenty years ago. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a little passe. At this point, I
Speaker 1: just try to say this. I think that's all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: I misspell it too.
Speaker 4: At this point in the the search engines are good
Speaker 4: enough to find the right thing for me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, that's true too, but shamrock, splash dot org.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows how to get there. Chris Mncini, thanks very much.
Speaker 1: And it's a great a great cause. It's a little chilly,
Speaker 1: but it's a great cause. So I encourage everyone to
Speaker 1: get out there. And if I was a little braver,
Speaker 1: i'd probably do it. But as I said, I am,
Speaker 1: I am cold waller.
Speaker 4: We'll get you year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'll work on the beg you Chris, you
Speaker 1: got you soon. All right, we get back. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk to someone who's going to explain to us
Speaker 1: that gen Zers, about thirty percent of them won't date
Speaker 1: people who dislike their favorite artist, who dislike their favorite
Speaker 1: sports team. And I don't think gen zs will date
Speaker 1: across party lines Democrat Republicans, so kind of cuts down
Speaker 1: the uh, the group of people you can date. We'll
Speaker 1: talk with Matt Schultz on the other side of this break.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside on WBC
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Speaker 1: WBZ Radio. My name's Dan right, be right back. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk about gen Z. We talk about them
Speaker 1: a lot. Now back to Dan Ray live from the
Speaker 1: Window World, Nice Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. Once again,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Zers. We talk about this group.
Speaker 1: These are the folks who have been born, came into
Speaker 1: this world in the mid nineteen nineties, and I guess
Speaker 1: the end of gen Z's birth year is twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: With us is Matt Schultz. He's the chief consumer finance
Speaker 1: analyst at lending Tree. Have I picked the approximate right
Speaker 1: dates for gen Z? Matt, how are you to night?
Speaker 3: I'm doing all right? Yeah, that's that's basically it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm my son is a freshman in college and he's
Speaker 3: eighteen and he is smack in the middle of gen Z.
Speaker 3: So that's so you got that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So your son if he's yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: what year he was born. But but gen Zs, some
Speaker 1: of them, the oldest, those who were born in the
Speaker 1: mid nineties, would now be creeping towards middle age, only
Speaker 1: getting they they would be in there maybe they're they're
Speaker 1: their mid their late mid to late twenties, and if
Speaker 1: they were born in two twenty and twenty twelve, they
Speaker 1: could be just entering their teenage years in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, So they're a young, young cohort of individuals.
Speaker 1: And blending Tree comes in this into this because you
Speaker 1: guys are always worried about financial incompatibility. So the couple
Speaker 1: might be all together on a lot of different interests.
Speaker 1: But now we find out that beyond you know, financial incompatibility,
Speaker 1: which can obviously interrupt relationships, we know that politically, the
Speaker 1: gen Zs are very sensitive in terms of whether they
Speaker 1: want to date or spend time with people who might
Speaker 1: view the world differently, i e. Republican or Democrat, conservative liberal.
Speaker 1: But now you've done another a couple of surveys here
Speaker 1: which says that thirty percent of gen Zers won't date
Speaker 1: someone we're not talking about marrying them, won't date someone
Speaker 1: who dislikes their favorite artist or sports team. So Red
Speaker 1: Sox fan, Yankee fan, that's not going to work. If
Speaker 1: you like Madonna and someone else like Taylor Swift, that
Speaker 1: doesn't work. This is the fairly closed mindset that a
Speaker 1: lot of gen zs have.
Speaker 3: I think, what's going on, Well, it's it's certainly interesting,
Speaker 3: and it certainly gets to it is a financial thing
Speaker 3: as well, because anybody who went to any of Taylor
Speaker 3: Swifts shows or has tickets to any professional sports or
Speaker 3: or even college sports, knows how expensive they are. And
Speaker 3: if you're somebody who spends a lot of money on
Speaker 3: your favorite team or artists, yeah, you it's gonna be
Speaker 3: something that that you want your partner to be okay with.
Speaker 1: So but it is you push let me push back
Speaker 1: on that just a little bit. Okay, be sure I
Speaker 1: get the point you make it. Look, if you talk
Speaker 1: about artists, my kids are a little bit older, and
Speaker 1: uh if if they sploite on some concert, they're not
Speaker 1: like they're not like the the folks who used to
Speaker 1: follow groups around. And I assume that there are the
Speaker 1: Taylor swifties who try to go to as many concerts
Speaker 1: as they want. But you know, our generation thought about
Speaker 1: Grateful Debt, and I know people said, I mean, they've
Speaker 1: been to seventy four Grateful Dead concerts. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know how many of them they paid a ticket to.
Speaker 1: I don't know how in any close proximity to the stage.
Speaker 1: But what about you know, they can watch sports on TV,
Speaker 1: there's no additional costs associated with that, go to one
Speaker 1: or two concerts. Well, it seems to me there's more
Speaker 1: closed mindedness towards if you don't think like I think,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be with you, which really makes
Speaker 1: life pretty dull.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, there's there's something to be said for that,
Speaker 3: and there is also something to be said for us
Speaker 3: getting more tribal in about every possible away in this country.
Speaker 3: And this is kind of one of those examples. But
Speaker 3: I also think just I'm a I'm a gen xer,
Speaker 3: and I know I had a lot of my identity
Speaker 3: wrapped up around my favorite bands and favorite sports teams
Speaker 3: when I was in my twenties. And I can understand
Speaker 3: that if you're young and that's kind of what you're
Speaker 3: focusing on, and you don't have to you don't have
Speaker 3: things like kids and car payments, and you know, super
Speaker 3: busy careers to worry about. You can see where that
Speaker 3: would be something that would would be a big deal
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 1: I mean I could see like if if somebody was
Speaker 1: I don't know, into duck pin bowling and they lived
Speaker 1: their life at a duck pin bowling lane wherever the
Speaker 1: one of those might still exist, I could see that,
Speaker 1: Or if somebody was into if there was, say someone
Speaker 1: who was into quilt competitions, you know, kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different, you know, esoteric sort of authority.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you know, he roots for the
Speaker 1: Red Sox and she grew up in New York and
Speaker 1: she's a Yankee fan. I mean, they can't date. I
Speaker 1: just I don't understand it. And I'm just wondering, do
Speaker 1: you think this as every every generation has gone through
Speaker 1: this stuff, or is it I seem to have done
Speaker 1: a lot with the gen z. Is they very opinionated
Speaker 1: and it's like they don't want to even listen even
Speaker 1: if it's something as ephemeral as what sports team you
Speaker 1: root for, what baseball team you like, what football team
Speaker 1: you like, or what artists. I mean, it sounds to
Speaker 1: me to be pretty shallow. I hate to put it
Speaker 1: like that because I'm probably upsetting gen zs who are
Speaker 1: listening to me.
Speaker 3: No, I do think the two degree. Every young generation
Speaker 3: has a lot of things that they are in common
Speaker 3: with the last generation when they were young, and and
Speaker 3: like I was saying, I think that did before you
Speaker 3: really kind of know what you want. You think you
Speaker 3: know what you want, and one of the things that
Speaker 3: may be a super big priority for you at those
Speaker 3: points is liking the same sort of music because you
Speaker 3: can't imagine a time that would come where you wouldn't
Speaker 3: spend your weekends at the club watching your favorite bands,
Speaker 3: or at the sports bar watching you know, watching the
Speaker 3: Celtics or whatever. And it's it's some of it is
Speaker 3: just a growth and maturation thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's the key. Actually, if
Speaker 1: folks want to find some of the articles that you've written,
Speaker 1: can you reference a couple of them maybe that that
Speaker 1: you might like people to check out. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lending Tree's got lots of information to help people out.
Speaker 3: And the one that I always talk about the most
Speaker 3: is we asked people if they had ever asked for
Speaker 3: a lower interest rate on their credit card when we've
Speaker 3: done this survey for years and years and years, and
Speaker 3: the last time we did it, it showed that the
Speaker 3: ree out of every four people who had done it
Speaker 3: got their way and the average reduction was like six points.
Speaker 3: So it's like going from like twenty five percent to
Speaker 3: nineteen percent, and it's something that can be a really
Speaker 3: significant difference, and that you can find that information on
Speaker 3: lending tree.
Speaker 1: So just lendingtree dot com. Yep, perfect, perfect, Matt Schultz.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. We'll have you back again. These are
Speaker 1: interesting topics to me. We need to spend more time
Speaker 1: on some of these and get it. Get some gen
Speaker 1: z's in here and tell us what they disagree about,
Speaker 1: like shit, life is too short. Thank you, Matt, appreciate
Speaker 1: you call very much. Have a great weekend and happy March.
Speaker 1: March will be here in about three and a half hours.
Speaker 3: Absolutely same to you.
Speaker 1: Thanks coming right back. We will be back right after
Speaker 1: our newscast at the bottom of the hour, and we
Speaker 1: are going to ask a very obvious question, why do
Speaker 1: women live longer than men. We're going to talk with
Speaker 1: an expert who's an associate professor of gerontology. But I
Speaker 1: think I know the answer and I'm going to run
Speaker 1: it by the expert, and then she'll tell me I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: and we'll find out why why women live longer than men.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on night Side after this. It's Night
Speaker 1: Side with Boston's News Radio. All right now, I am
Speaker 1: delighted to welcome doctor. I hope I'm pronouncing this correctly,
Speaker 1: doctor Berenice. Benny yun correct?
Speaker 5: Benny, Yes, this is correct.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. You're an Associate Professor of sarontology,
Speaker 1: biological sciences, biochemistry, and Molecular Medicine at USC the Leonard
Speaker 1: Davis School of Gerontology. Wow, that's an impressive resume. The
Speaker 1: question is why do women live longer than men? Here's
Speaker 1: my pop quiz answer, because men end up doing some
Speaker 1: pretty great dangerous things like being in the military, being firefighters,
Speaker 1: being police officers, Nascar drivers. I know that's probably not
Speaker 1: going to be the correct answer, but I just wanted
Speaker 1: to run that one by you just for fun.
Speaker 6: No, so that's definitely, that's definitely not helping. Let's just
Speaker 6: say it like this. But there's definitely in addition to
Speaker 6: just you know, risk taking behavior, there are also some
Speaker 6: biological underlying, you know, driving those those differences that we
Speaker 6: can actually see Uh, in a lot of mammals. Actually
Speaker 6: females are longer lived that than males, and in that
Speaker 6: case they don't necessarily, you know, drive NASCAR. So we
Speaker 6: can know that in controlled condition, being male is a
Speaker 6: detriment to a long lifestan.
Speaker 1: Wow, I never thought I would hear a professor say that.
Speaker 1: Uh again, what is what is the the life expectancy?
Speaker 1: I know that the COVID plague has messed up the
Speaker 1: life expectancies and our life expectancies with which for you know,
Speaker 1: for many many years, have decades, actually have been getting longer,
Speaker 1: generally for both men and women, I believe has dropped
Speaker 1: in the last of a couple of years because of
Speaker 1: of COVID. Am I correct on that.
Speaker 5: Assumption, Yes, then you're you're perfectly correct.
Speaker 6: Although it had been going up for several decades, the
Speaker 6: COVID pandemic definitely not only erased those games, but actually
Speaker 6: led to a reduction in the life expectancy. So right
Speaker 6: now it's about eighty years for women in the US
Speaker 6: and about seventy four seventy five years for men.
Speaker 1: WHOA, So that's a big spin. That's a difference of
Speaker 1: five to six years, which is interesting. So what are
Speaker 1: the difference is if it is not. And again, of
Speaker 1: course in recent years, more women have been in the military,
Speaker 1: more women and police officers. I've covered stories on this
Speaker 1: program where female police officers sadly were shot in the
Speaker 1: line of duty. There are more women firefighters. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a period of time when when men really
Speaker 1: were doing the jobs. I keep seeing those pictures from
Speaker 1: the building of the Empire, State Building of these guys
Speaker 1: walking planks Sandwich City, right, that classic shot everybody having
Speaker 1: the sandwich. I mean I would have been hugging visiting
Speaker 1: the actually like they're sitting in a park. An amazing photograph.
Speaker 1: So what are the underlying causes that we need to
Speaker 1: understand better?
Speaker 6: And so there's there's still contributors. So you know, in research,
Speaker 6: when we see differences between females and males, we are
Speaker 6: always asking ourselves what's the driver. And so there's actually
Speaker 6: two drivers and both are equally important in this phenomenon.
Speaker 6: One of them is basically females and women in general
Speaker 6: will be will have XX chromosomes, whereas men will have
Speaker 6: X Y chromosome. And it turns out that having a
Speaker 6: single copy of the X means that men don't have
Speaker 6: a backup copy. If one of the genes is you know,
Speaker 6: slightly defective, which you know happens there's constant mutations in
Speaker 6: the human population, there wouldn't be a backup copy, and
Speaker 6: so that immediately creates additional risk for males not to
Speaker 6: have that. And so yeah, so that's the first thing.
Speaker 6: And there's a lot of super important brain health genes
Speaker 6: and immune regulation genes on the X, so that would
Speaker 6: definitely impact these things. And on the other side, there's
Speaker 6: also the question of gonadal hormones. Right, Like women in
Speaker 6: general are going to have higher levels of estrogens, men
Speaker 6: are going to have higher levels of drogens. And I'm
Speaker 6: sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but estrogens
Speaker 6: are really good for you, and androgens tend to be
Speaker 6: really bad for you. There's actually some really interesting historical
Speaker 6: data looking at the survival of unux in Korea during
Speaker 6: the Empire, and they were substantially longer lived than you know,
Speaker 6: intact men of the same station, you know, nobles basically,
Speaker 6: so we know to stosterone is bad for you, and
Speaker 6: we know estrogen is good for you, like later age
Speaker 6: at menopause. So when women basically have and dogenus production
Speaker 6: of estrogens for longer is actually the best predictor for
Speaker 6: overall longevity.
Speaker 1: Thank you, nic thing that I think I'll pass on
Speaker 1: that actually, and I'll take the short life life span
Speaker 1: even with that as a factor. This is fascinating stuff.
Speaker 1: Is there statistically no impact particularly in you know, prior
Speaker 1: generations when women were more I don't know I'm talking
Speaker 1: when I say sheltered what I mean by that they
Speaker 1: were you know, home makers and homebodies in the fifties,
Speaker 1: let's say, in early sixties, and men were still going
Speaker 1: out to work forty hours a week. Did those factors
Speaker 1: at play or is this is all this seems to
Speaker 1: sounds to me like you're saying it is all in
Speaker 1: effect biological.
Speaker 6: Majority of the effect is biological. Because also when we
Speaker 6: look you know, nowadays, throughout the world, where there's still
Speaker 6: societies where you know, women are quote unquote sheltered, or
Speaker 6: when actually there's equal distribution, you know, hunter gatherer societies,
Speaker 6: the female advantage is conserved. There is literally not a
Speaker 6: single human population where we have life expectancy data where
Speaker 6: women do not outlive men by you know, an average
Speaker 6: of at least five years. And obviously when you have
Speaker 6: things like you know, big wars that decimated men, you know,
Speaker 6: like nineteen fourteen, nineteen eighteen, nineteen thirty nine, nineteen forty
Speaker 6: five that did further, you know, increase the gap. But
Speaker 6: even like again across societies industrially developed, underdeveloped, hunter gatherer societies,
Speaker 6: the female advantage is always observed in humans.
Speaker 1: Well, a fascinating field of study that you're that you're
Speaker 1: involved in, is there is we always talk of science
Speaker 1: is never being settled. This sounds to me like this
Speaker 1: is an area of science which is pretty settled.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's aspects that are settled, right Like, so
Speaker 6: we know that that difference exists, but then you know,
Speaker 6: understanding what you know obviously the sex chromosome, the sex chromones,
Speaker 6: that's one layer. But what we want to do as scientists,
Speaker 6: and especially in this field we actually call it the
Speaker 6: geoscience field, is not just increased lifespan. It's also increase
Speaker 6: what we call health span, so the number of year
Speaker 6: years that were healthy. And in that in that context,
Speaker 6: actually the advantage is flipped. Women have much worse health
Speaker 6: span than men. And so the idea in this field
Speaker 6: when we study sex differences, like my lab does is
Speaker 6: that we can learn from the sex that does better,
Speaker 6: whether be it in longevity or health, and by figuring
Speaker 6: out the molecular pathways behind that, we might be able
Speaker 6: to create therapys that benefit the other sex.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: And so because most people, I'm sure you included, most
Speaker 6: men wouldn't want to take estrogens to get the female benefit,
Speaker 6: and most women would not want to take endrogens to
Speaker 6: get the male benefit, what we're trying to do is
Speaker 6: identify pathways that wouldn't have these kind of impacts right
Speaker 6: on health and and wouldn't masculinize or feminize you know,
Speaker 6: other aspects of of your of your biology.
Speaker 1: Basically. So what I'm hearing, what I think i'm hearing
Speaker 1: what you're saying is that women will live longer on air,
Speaker 1: but men might have a higher percentage of healthy lives,
Speaker 1: and that that there could be women who might live five,
Speaker 1: you know, on an average five years longer, but for
Speaker 1: a number of reasons, medically otherwise, that that the quality
Speaker 1: of their life might might they may last longer, but
Speaker 1: it might diminish more quickly.
Speaker 6: Is that, yeah, that is absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to I'm ready to take I'm ready to
Speaker 1: take the spot quiz Monday morning, professor, what time's class?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Thank you, No, I'm I'm you explained it so well.
Speaker 1: I do listen. But I think you explained it well.
Speaker 1: And guess what, I think most people can understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying. That that and oftentimes when a male predeceases
Speaker 1: a female. Uh, I've noticed it in my own experience
Speaker 1: that sometimes the male will will pass off an unexpected
Speaker 1: massive heart attack, and the vibrancy of the surviving spouse
Speaker 1: diminishes pretty pretty quickly. So, you know, it's fascinating field
Speaker 1: of study. I would love to have you back some night.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. How can folks get more information? Most
Speaker 1: people who are here have written or on my show
Speaker 1: have written a book, or have have some some product.
Speaker 1: They might be U, you're not pitching a product that
Speaker 1: you're providing us with great information. Is there any any
Speaker 1: way that you'd like to direct people towards your field
Speaker 1: of study?
Speaker 6: So, like you say, I don't have like something that's
Speaker 6: necessarily super accessible to the LA audience to promote, but
Speaker 6: you know, there's more and more people like me doing
Speaker 6: this work. I think it's important to realize, you know,
Speaker 6: the implications for health, because you know, as long as
Speaker 6: you're alive, you're aging, and so being able to have
Speaker 6: healthy aging is really something that's that's crucial. And so
Speaker 6: I am just hoping that the public can understand the
Speaker 6: importance of the work we do.
Speaker 1: Right And as I have said to friends of mine recently,
Speaker 1: no one gets out of this place alive, so no
Speaker 1: matter how hard exactly anyway, Professor I really enjoyed our conversation.
Speaker 1: Thank you much, Professor Barones Betting you of USC Leonard
Speaker 1: Davis School of Gerontology. I hope to talk with you again.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Have a good night you too.
Speaker 1: Bye bye. We come back on to talk with a
Speaker 1: member of the Freedom Trail Foundation. The Freedom Trail rock
Speaker 1: Walks begin tomorrow at ten forty five am. Winter's over.
Speaker 1: Another sign this spring is here. Back after this at
Speaker 1: night Side. Now back to Dan ray Line from the
Speaker 1: Window World night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. Well,
Speaker 1: as I have mentioned a couple of times, tonight, we
Speaker 1: are about I don't know, three hours and ten minutes
Speaker 1: away from March. First, this is the last evening of February,
Speaker 1: so tomorrow brand new month starts. Also what's what's called
Speaker 1: meteorological spring. Spring doesn't technically start until March twenty first,
Speaker 1: but mediaorological spring is March, April and May. And one
Speaker 1: of the signs of spring here in New England is
Speaker 1: when the Freedom Trail gets active again. And with us
Speaker 1: is one of the Freedom Trail players. Kara Zeiberg, Hey care,
Speaker 1: welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 5: I'm great, Dan, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm just wonderful. Now you portray, when you're in costume,
Speaker 1: a woman by the name of Thankful Rice.
Speaker 5: Correct, correct, yep, correct.
Speaker 1: And just give us a quick little synopsis of the
Speaker 1: person you portray. Tell us a little bit about her,
Speaker 1: and then I want to talk about how people can
Speaker 1: get tickets and all of that.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, so I portray a woman named Thankful Rice, who
Speaker 5: I portray as a colonial spy. Very often women. Children
Speaker 5: were very involved in spying during the American Revolution. One
Speaker 5: of my favorite notes about spies in the Revolutionary period
Speaker 5: is young boys like six, seven, eight years old would
Speaker 5: go into Paul Reverer's smith's shop and they would lose
Speaker 5: a button in the shop, which with kids at a
Speaker 5: young age may leave and no one would take any notice.
Speaker 5: But in those cloth buttons. Their mothers would have sewn
Speaker 5: in information that Paul Revere would, you know, disseminate to
Speaker 5: other members of the Sons of Liberty. So thankful is
Speaker 5: you know, not one of these mothers. But she's hearing
Speaker 5: information from British officers during the Quartering Act when it
Speaker 5: was reinstated in seventeen seventy four. So she's bringing information
Speaker 5: to the Sons of Liberty and helping with the Revolutionary
Speaker 5: war effort.
Speaker 1: Oh, I never knew. I never knew that. So you
Speaker 1: were portraying an adult woman who has traps a child
Speaker 1: or two, who was involved in the earliest full runner
Speaker 1: of the CIA. Essentially basically one way to look at it,
Speaker 1: I guess. So, yeah, yeah, is tomorrow in effect opening
Speaker 1: day is the the tours. They take a little break
Speaker 1: during January and February or Christmas time.
Speaker 5: So we've been doing our regular Walk into History tours.
Speaker 5: We do those all year round, but next tomorrow starts
Speaker 5: Women's History Month, and so I'm going to be doing
Speaker 5: the first Revolutionary Women's History tour of the year, and
Speaker 5: that is at ten and refreshment recollection.
Speaker 1: Do you gather near the Park Street station.
Speaker 5: So it's actually right in front of the Visitors Information
Speaker 5: Center on Boston Common, right across from the Dunkin Donuts. Yeah,
Speaker 5: at the sort of the back entrance to the Park
Speaker 5: Street station.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, not far right, not far. And the tickets
Speaker 1: they can be purchased, I assume, or reservations made in advance,
Speaker 1: or they can just show up, you know, ten thirty
Speaker 1: or so and get themselves all squared away. How folks
Speaker 1: do you normally lead? I'm sure that on some days
Speaker 1: it's busier than others. But what's a normal group of
Speaker 1: people who you who will prosess with you along the
Speaker 1: Freedom Trail?
Speaker 5: So I would say for the specialty tours like the
Speaker 5: Women's History Tour or the Revolutionary Women's History Tour, I
Speaker 5: usually see a smaller number of people. I'll usually get
Speaker 5: between like maybe five to I don't think I've had
Speaker 5: more than twenty in a group, unless it's like a
Speaker 5: Girl Scout group doing a private tour. But with the
Speaker 5: larger with the Walk into History tours, especially in the summer,
Speaker 5: they can get pretty pretty large.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the advantage then tomorrow is supposed to
Speaker 1: be a really nice day, and if people are going
Speaker 1: to be downtown Boston, or if they want to drive in,
Speaker 1: they can join up with you. And probably it's easier
Speaker 1: for someone on the tour, the smaller of the group,
Speaker 1: easier for them to interact with you and ask questions, Now,
Speaker 1: do you stay fully in character? Or are are you?
Speaker 1: Is your conversation with them, you know, twenty first century
Speaker 1: language conversation.
Speaker 5: It's kind of so it kind of varies from player
Speaker 5: to player. There is obviously a little bit more leeway
Speaker 5: with our characterization as far as interacting with the twenty
Speaker 5: first century than there is at like Plymouth Peduxit where
Speaker 5: it's an enclosed environment. So like Plymouth Tuxit Sturbridge Village,
Speaker 5: they're in a controlled environment where they don't have any
Speaker 5: of that twenty first century technology going around. I'm in
Speaker 5: the middle of downtown Boston. I can't you know, go,
Speaker 5: oh my goodness, what's that? Every time someone pulls out
Speaker 5: a cell phone on the tour. So there is a
Speaker 5: bit more you know, modern interaction as well. But I'm
Speaker 5: you know, in the costume. Any you know, questions that
Speaker 5: people have about eighteenth century I, you know, easily launch
Speaker 5: into no.
Speaker 1: No, I totally get it. You sound like you're a
Speaker 1: great tour guide, so it starts at ten forty five
Speaker 1: to how long for people who are having questions about
Speaker 1: you know, ambl ambulatory distances. Uh, most tours are cover
Speaker 1: what mile mile and a half or more? How how
Speaker 1: how long are the toys physically, So it's.
Speaker 5: A little around a mile. I would say there are
Speaker 5: parts where we go sort of up to Beacon Hill,
Speaker 5: so there's some hill climbing. Uh. But as far as
Speaker 5: like if if someone who you know, there's a stair section,
Speaker 5: so if you know, someone is unable to do the stairs,
Speaker 5: I have ways of you know, maneuvering around that sort
Speaker 5: of situation. There's you know, Boston is very difficult to
Speaker 5: walk around with all the cobblestones. So but I've been
Speaker 5: doing it for a while. I've kind of figured out
Speaker 5: different different situations like Okay, we have to go this
Speaker 5: way and and we'll we'll talk about this person here,
Speaker 5: and I have laminettes to show folks when certain things
Speaker 5: aren't visible well that.
Speaker 1: Those cobblestones do add to the reality of the seventh
Speaker 1: of the eighteenth century. Sh exactly all right, Kara, Thanks
Speaker 1: very much, job. I love your passion for what you do,
Speaker 1: which is so important and tomorrow ten forty five Freedom Trail, Boston,
Speaker 1: b There Wi Be Square. It is supposed to be
Speaker 1: a nice day, So best of luck on opening day.
Speaker 1: Karen z Iberg portraying thankful Rice, and we're very thankful
Speaker 1: that you joined us tonight, Kara, thank you.
Speaker 5: Much, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Dan, You're we When we get back, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the big story of the day, and that
Speaker 1: is the meeting in the Oval Office between and amongst
Speaker 1: President Donald Trump, Vice President j d Vance, and Ukrainian
Speaker 1: President Voladimir Zelenski. It was wild. We'll play it for you.
Speaker 1: If you didn't have a chance to hear it, you
Speaker 1: will hear it in its entirety. It's about nine minutes long,
Speaker 1: but it is wild.