1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,560 Speaker 1: At Bantererwealth dot Com. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,599 Speaker 2: You're tuned to Cougar Sports on ko v O Probo 3 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:07,200 k U D d h D two one oh three 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,080 nine at ninety eight three ESPN The Fan. Get to 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,800 know the Cougar's opponents and rivals right now. I need 6 00:00:14,839 --> 00:00:18,280 to know the faux segment on Cougar Sports with Ben Kretel. 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back Cougar Sports one of three, nine nine eighty 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,440 point three ESPN The Fan. I've bettoral broadcasting from our 9 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:26,879 Vanderwelth Studios Vanderwealth dot Com. Get on that free Q 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,359 and A no obligation to invest Q and A with 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,600 our tax smart wealth Advisors, our certify financial Planners. 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Braces 34 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,799 supports compression. Where we got you covered, Let's get out 35 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,359 to the hot line. We got the co host and 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,319 executive producer of Sons of UCF podcast, Adam Eaton's online Adam, 37 00:01:45,359 --> 00:01:47,840 how that are you, buddy? Thanks for joining us and. 38 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: Bet I'm doing well man. Good to catch up with 39 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:50,680 you again. Thanks for having me. 40 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:53,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, always a pleasure talking ball with you. Let's get 41 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:56,560 a little breakdown. How good is this UCF team? What's 42 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:59,640 their identity right now? Give us a little breakdown of 43 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,480 the season thus far. 44 00:02:01,799 --> 00:02:03,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, you know, the Knights have really been surprised, 45 00:02:03,599 --> 00:02:04,719 I think for a lot of people. You know, this 46 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:07,519 is a team that returned zero points from last year's team, 47 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,199 so completely new roster, having to come together under head 48 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:12,240 coach Johnny Dawkins, and you know, they've been a team 49 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,439 that's offensively been able to score with a lot of 50 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:16,360 teams in the Big twelve, which I don't think folks 51 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,680 expected just based on the fact that this team came 52 00:02:18,719 --> 00:02:21,639 together kind of haphazardly towards the offseason. But you know, 53 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,520 they've been able to put up some points offensively. I 54 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,319 think defensively they had some challenges, but they've been hanging 55 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:29,879 into most games and they're typically over the eighty points 56 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,919 of score mark per game. So this is a team 57 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,280 that can certainly, you know, filled the buckets in a hurry. 58 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:36,400 The challenges right now. The Knights are coming in a 59 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,000 little banged up, a couple of guys injured, and it 60 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,759 may not be at full strength as they head into 61 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,520 BYU tomorrow night. But this is a team that's certainly 62 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,520 when they're right, then they can score the basketball. 63 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:48,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the culture? Like you said this team was 64 00:02:48,439 --> 00:02:52,400 put together half hazardly, Then that would make me think, oh, well, 65 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,240 the culture's not good. What's the culture like within this roster? 66 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, Johnny Dawkins obviously a veteran coach name a lot 67 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:01,199 of folks in college basketball know. I mean, he's certainly 68 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,840 a guy that that preaches defense and preaches toughness and 69 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:06,360 preaches accountability to his team. And you just look at 70 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,240 John dawkins resume and what he's accomplished in basketball, and 71 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,560 I think you can certainly his name carries that weight, 72 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:13,319 and I think that carries some you know, some weight 73 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:14,879 with the guys that are on his team. You know, 74 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,919 it's a team that wants to be tough defensively, Again, 75 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,520 maybe hasn't been their hallmarks throughout the season, but this 76 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:21,319 is a team that will play hard. This is a 77 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:23,919 team that will typically make the smart decision, and it's 78 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,520 really kind of a veteran team. Then you know, they 79 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,439 went out and they invested some money and getting some 80 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:30,120 guys that had experienced at other levels and some some 81 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:32,159 veteran guys, and so this is a team hopefully that 82 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,400 despite the fact this is the first time they're all 83 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:36,759 together in these scenarios, a lot of these guys have 84 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,879 played a lot of basketball, and I think that's shown 85 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:40,680 through to the Knights throughout the season so far. 86 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: Who are the key players on this team? You mentioned 87 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,280 that they're a little bit dinged up, they have some injuries, 88 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,360 et cetera. But who is it that we got to 89 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,240 get to know if you're a b YU fan trying 90 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,000 to get a scout of you report on the Knights. 91 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:54,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get to know the name famous folks. He 92 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,759 wears number one and he'll be he'll be the point 93 00:03:56,759 --> 00:03:58,479 guard for the Knights, and he's the guy that really 94 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:01,000 controls the table for the team. You know, he's the 95 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:02,840 tip of the spear, so to speak, for the Knights. 96 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:05,759 He controls the the temple Offensively, He's a guy the 97 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Knights want the ball in his hands and big moments. 98 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:10,919 He's kind of been the closer for UCF in games 99 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:13,919 where they've had, you know, a tight contest. He's really 100 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:15,840 been the guy taking the last second shots. He loves 101 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,839 to drive into the into the lane, and get a 102 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,800 little bit of a you know, a Midge Ratings jump shot, 103 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,040 a little floater over over a big man as well too. 104 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,160 So you'll see Seamus Folks number one with the with 105 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,079 the ball a's on and he'll be kind of a 106 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,839 go to guy for the Knights. Unknown if he'll play yet, 107 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,600 but the starting shooting guard Riley Kogle where's number two? 108 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:34,079 He did not play against Utah on Saturday with a 109 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,600 lower body injury, but he is on the trip, so 110 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,560 as possible he will see some match maybe Inainst b 111 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,879 Yu still listen as questionable. He is a he is 112 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,800 a bucket ben. I mean he can he can fill 113 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,639 it up. He's a streaky shooter of though. So when 114 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:46,279 he's hot, he's on and he can make shots. And 115 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,439 when he's off, he's off. But still unknown whether or 116 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:51,000 not you'll see him on the court on on Tuesday. 117 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,040 Gains BYU and an inside number four to Michael Stillwell, 118 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:55,759 this guy's just a beast of a player. Been an 119 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:58,319 old school player, kind of a kind of dirty, kind 120 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:00,120 of tenacious, kind of does all the dirty work for 121 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:03,160 the team down there. He'll fight scraps ball for rebounds, 122 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,120 tip ins, loose balls, again, he's also nursing a bit 123 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,079 of a lower body injury as well. But he's another 124 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,120 fource down low. He can certainly get you some you know, 125 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,680 I think, well some people call garbage points because they'll 126 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,800 get some tip in, some loose balls, some rebounds. But 127 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:18,240 you know, he's a force and probably the main force 128 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,680 for UCF on the inside. 129 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: This is a good basketball team forty ninth per ken 130 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:28,439 Bom offensively, thirty fifth in offensive efficiency. They're a little 131 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:32,439 bit poorous defensively, ranking one hundred and thirteenth. I want 132 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,439 to say in ken Bom nineteen and seven on the 133 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,720 air there right in the middle of the Big twelve. 134 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:42,319 And they've had some very impressive wins, and I know 135 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:44,639 some of their losses have most of their locks have 136 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,519 been very close. It's not like these are blowout losses. 137 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,199 But recently in the there was a three game losing 138 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,399 Forreek Houston Cincinnati, West Virginia. What happened in that three 139 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:58,279 game losing streak over the last five games. 140 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, been going to Houston and playing at 141 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,199 Houston is tough for any team, right I think the 142 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:05,560 time UCF had played and they were fifty in one. 143 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,560 That's fifty dash one at home in conference play. So 144 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,319 it's just tough to beat Houston at home. And you see, 145 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:13,959 if I was he couldn't win that one out, just 146 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:16,120 didn't he prepared to get Cincinnati and lost a tough 147 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,600 one in West Virginia there. That's also the stretcher dealing 148 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,959 with some injuries. Some guys like Joe Michael Stillwell was 149 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,240 out against West Virginia and so I think it was 150 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,680 just a really tough stretch for the Knights. And again 151 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,720 system really saw some really tough teams as they as 152 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:30,480 they went on that stretch there, but they rebounded with 153 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:33,120 a win at at Homing, at TCU, and then a 154 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:35,480 win at at Utah. So I think that's kind of 155 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:37,480 right the ship there. But just one of those those 156 00:06:37,519 --> 00:06:39,240 gauntlets of the Big Coal bet. As you know, we 157 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:41,560 night in and night out, you're playing a tough team, 158 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,040 You're playing an opponent that's probably ranked in the top 159 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,800 fifteen in the Big Twelve. And I think UCF just 160 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,800 kind of got a tough stretch to the schedule. They're 161 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:51,319 highlighted by that that tough road loss at Houston. 162 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:53,959 Speaker 1: What's up with the defense. It seems like they can 163 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,199 score with anybody what's up with the defense though. 164 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point, but I think that's the 165 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:00,959 Achilles deal of the team is, you know, can they guard? 166 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,199 Can they defend? Can they get stopped? And they've had 167 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:04,920 some moments where they can, but you know, I do 168 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:07,759 think that's probably the one symptom of bringing a team together, 169 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:11,079 is really learning the defensive principles and how to play 170 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:13,839 together connectively. From a defensive standpoint, you know, they've been 171 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,560 kind of banged up on the low block. John Bowle 172 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,279 seven foot two true sophomore center, more of a rim protector, 173 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:23,680 but he's had some foul troubles against to Michael Siwell 174 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,079 has been out, so they haven't really had a lot 175 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,360 of presence at of size on the inside, which, as 176 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,759 you know in the Big twelve, can certainly come back 177 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,920 to hurt you as a team. And then defensively, you know, 178 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:34,600 I think you just keeping guards in front of them 179 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:37,240 and running guys off the three point line has been 180 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,720 a bit of a challenge for this Night's team. But 181 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:40,439 I do think that's probably a symptom of just a 182 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,439 team again coming together, brand new, trying to stay connected. 183 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,279 Defensively again, they've had Spurts. But you know, I would 184 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:48,000 say that's the achilles heel of this team is, you know, 185 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,399 can they get a stop when they need to get 186 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:51,639 a stop? Can they can they guard a team, you 187 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:53,560 know when they're when they're up one and they need 188 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:55,000 to you know, get the ball back. I think it's 189 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,079 going to challenge, you know, for this nice team throughout 190 00:07:57,079 --> 00:07:57,480 the season. 191 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,759 Speaker 1: You've been around basketball. You've seen a lot of great 192 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,720 teams there at UCF and in the Big twelve now 193 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:07,399 and even prior to that the AAC. Is this UCF 194 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:11,240 team an NCAA tournament team that can number one just 195 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,120 get into the tournament, maybe win in the tournament. 196 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think so. Look, I think this is 197 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:17,839 a team. You had some of the stats earlier right there. 198 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:21,319 They're currently citting forty six and the nets you know, 199 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,240 they're combined nine and seven and Quad one and Quad 200 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,720 two games. You know, they got wins over ranked Kansas, 201 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,920 over ranked Texas Tech. For their seven losses come to 202 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,399 teams that were ranked in the top fifteen, including Houston, Vanderbilt, 203 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,159 Arizona in Iowa State. So this is a team that 204 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:40,639 that's played a lot of tough competition and it's hung 205 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,279 in there and played really well. Again, yeah, they don't 206 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:47,000 necessarily maybe have you know, some of those signature wins, 207 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,480 right they haven't. You know maybe Kansas and Texas Tech 208 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,200 where they kind of qualifiers that too. But then the 209 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:53,840 Spix twelve, the gauntlet, and if you can go to 210 00:08:53,879 --> 00:08:55,639 the Big twelve right now where you s sitting from 211 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,600 accomplish perspective with an above five hundred record, that's got 212 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:01,200 to get the attention of the committee. Point and again, 213 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,759 they still have opportunities, well a tough one here against 214 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:06,360 BYU on the road, they have another Quad one opportunity 215 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,799 to close the season out at West Virginia, so still 216 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,440 have some time on the resume to get some some 217 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:12,279 wins there. But I think it's the team that's been 218 00:09:12,279 --> 00:09:15,240 playing consistent basketball. And maybe I'm a bit of a 219 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,759 homer in this sense, but I think if you can 220 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:19,159 go through this Big twelve schedule gauntlet and you can 221 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,720 come out with a winning record, I think that should 222 00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:24,039 certainly put you firmly in the competition and the conversation. 223 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:26,519 Rather to to make the make the NCAA tournament. 224 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this squad would be with you fans 225 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,960 understand they're four to five in Quad one opportunities. They 226 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,159 got wins in a way sitting Texas A and M. 227 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,120 They got to win versus Kamsas at home, they have 228 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,120 a win at Colorado that's still a Quad one win, 229 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,080 and then at home versus Texas Tech. And they they 230 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,000 fought pretty hard on some of these others. There's been 231 00:09:47,039 --> 00:09:49,679 some close losses. You ve that wasn't a that was 232 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,000 a respectable loss, as well as Vanderbilt. 233 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, again, this is a team that fights, you know, 234 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,240 and there's really only a couple of times this season 235 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,279 where you got on you know, the game started and 236 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:01,559 you realize, you see, didn't really have it. If they've 237 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,159 been in games you mentioned the Arizona game, I mean, 238 00:10:04,159 --> 00:10:05,799 there are a couple of shots away from not being 239 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,360 a little bit different. Texas second eighty eight eighty wins 240 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,559 for the Knights. They controlled that game from from the start. 241 00:10:10,639 --> 00:10:14,200 Same same with Kansas, and that went earlier in the season. 242 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,879 So it's a team that will fight and can Again, 243 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:18,519 it has the offensive firepower to hang in there with 244 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,960 any team. Now will the defense come along? It's obviously 245 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,720 the question there. But this is a team that if 246 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:24,200 they get hot, they can they can put some points 247 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,360 on you in a hurry, and if you're not prepared 248 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,480 to play them, I think you can you can kind 249 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,039 of fall behind and get surprised with the Knights. But again, 250 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,360 I think a lot of this goes back to then 251 00:10:32,759 --> 00:10:34,879 just you've heard just a ton you know, in this 252 00:10:34,919 --> 00:10:37,320 time of the year, it's veteran guard play right, Veteran 253 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,120 guard players typically, you know, we'll drive a team forward 254 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:42,399 as they get late into February and March. And that's 255 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:44,639 where I got like famous folks become super important for 256 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,000 the Knights. Just a veteran decision maker. We can hopefully 257 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:49,720 steer this team to us some good winning plays down 258 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:50,120 the stretch. 259 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: What's the scattering report on the Koops right now? I 260 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,360 don't know if you've been able to talk to the 261 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,600 coaches or players yet regarding their road trip out to Provo, 262 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,960 But what do they say about this Cougar basketball team 263 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,919 and how they can slow down easy to bonds of 264 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,799 Rob Right, Cannar Davis and the crew. 265 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure if they have that answer right, 266 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,159 but I think if they did, they'd probably be shared 267 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:13,000 of that elsewhere too. You know, I think you know 268 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:14,720 what they're they're certainly going to try to do, is 269 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,919 you see us the team that will play us on 270 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,320 the zone, so they'll they'll mix and match man and zone. 271 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:21,080 So I assume we'll try to throw some surprising looks 272 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,159 at at the coops and you know, see if they 273 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,480 catch them off guard and some different looks throughout there 274 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,279 and really kind of keep the game closer. I think 275 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:29,320 that they can control the rebounds, control the glass. I 276 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,759 think they they'll typically feel good about where they are now. 277 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,799 Won't be easy obviously with the side that b YU 278 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:35,759 brings them the front line there, but I think you'll 279 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:37,519 see the defense throw some different looks at them. They'll 280 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:39,480 I think they'll throw some token press and some token 281 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:42,240 trap and and certainly try to do some things to 282 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,759 to maybe show some different looks at that b YU 283 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,960 is seen on film from the nice but certainly going 284 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,039 to be a tough contest obviously, you know, going going 285 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,679 up against a tough BYU team. But you know, I 286 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,720 think certainly UCF is is poised to go in there 287 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:56,200 and give it their all. Again, really just depends on 288 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,840 how healthy this team will be as they walk into 289 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,279 the marry At Center on Teunesday night. 290 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: Give me your overall you've out of the Big Twelve 291 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,559 Basketball conference. What stood out to you this year and 292 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:11,960 maybe even last year about the about the conference? It's players, 293 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,360 the competition day in and day out. 294 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's easy, but there are no gimmes 295 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,240 in the Big Twelve. Every every time you're going to 296 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,200 play against another big coil of opponent, there are no 297 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:25,039 gimmes in this conference. Every team top to bottom can 298 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,000 give you a game, and if you're not up to 299 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,240 your best on that night, I think any team candidly 300 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,039 really can can beat any team, right. I think Arizona 301 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,840 and Houston and BYU have separated themselves a little bit 302 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,240 this year Iowa State, but even those teams have had 303 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,120 opportunities and have lost games down the stretch here. So 304 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,879 I think it's a team there. If you're not ready, 305 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:44,000 if you're not prepared night in and night out, you know, 306 00:12:44,039 --> 00:12:46,200 the team across the floor from you can and certainly 307 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,720 will will be a tough task. I think what I've 308 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:50,600 what I've seen so far is is you know, you 309 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,600 sty have has been struggled again on the interior, and 310 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:55,440 there's you know, teams like Houston, teams like Arizona, teams 311 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,279 like BYU, just just waves of guys in the front 312 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:00,559 line that are just big, strong and posed players. And 313 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,200 I think you know, it's been a it's been a 314 00:13:02,279 --> 00:13:04,399 league that it's really tough, you know, weak in and 315 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,159 week out, and you know, night in and night out 316 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,120 to go against some of those big bodies down low. 317 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:10,320 I think that's where you have taken their lumps and 318 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,840 still kind of learning a little bit about the Big 319 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,399 twelve basketball. But then, and you've seen as much as 320 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:15,960 I have. If you don't bring your best every night 321 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,720 in the Big Twelve, whoever's on the other side of 322 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,919 the court certainly can and will surprise you. And I 323 00:13:19,919 --> 00:13:22,360 think that's what makes this league so tough and such 324 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,919 a gauntlet to go through, because you really don't get 325 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:27,039 any knights off. You really don't get any guinea nights 326 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,679 or a night where you go, Okay, hey, this team's 327 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,200 not quite up to our our par this team's not 328 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:33,799 quite ready. Any team, any night can steak up on you. 329 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,399 And that's what makes this Big twelve basketball schedule so exciting. 330 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: Who should win the Big Twelve Player of the Year Award? 331 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:42,399 Do you think right now? Who Who's where's it trending? 332 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,759 Speaker 3: I guess man, you know what I you know, I 333 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:49,559 think Bradley from from Arizona. Again, I'm just a big 334 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,240 fan of veteran guard play. I mean, he seems to 335 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,639 make the right decision down the stretch for that team 336 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:55,480 obviously the you know, the one of the best teams 337 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,519 in the nation. I think Bradley's done a great job. 338 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,759 You know, Peterson at Kansas certainly has the potential. But 339 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:03,039 I'm sure you all talked about, you know, his ability 340 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,679 to stay on the floor sometimes and. 341 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: I think you can make it. 342 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: In case for Agie de Band said as well, I 343 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:08,960 think he's obviously came in and a quitting himself well 344 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,840 in the Big twelve and proven himself to be a 345 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:14,080 force right now. You know, I think the injury to 346 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,679 top And I think is certainly unfortunate. I think he's 347 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,480 certainly wuld be another name that youth are out there. 348 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:20,200 But you know about Walcar, I'll go to Bradley at 349 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,879 Arizona right now, I like it. 350 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: Uh. 351 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: There are some out there that feel like Darren Peterson 352 00:14:27,039 --> 00:14:28,559 is going to be the number one overall pick in 353 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,759 the NBA draft. Others feel that ag debond So will 354 00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:34,879 be the number one overall pick. Is there. Do you 355 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:37,720 want to pine on this how you feeling about the 356 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:42,120 players in college basketball and their eventual draft status? 357 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think certainly, you know Peterson has a 358 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:47,919 ton of talent, right, but I think you're going to 359 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,919 have to factor and everything you know about the player 360 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,279 to date right now, and you know you had it 361 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,360 in your in your leading there right the best ability 362 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:58,320 ability is availability, and certainly with whatever's happening with itself 363 00:14:58,399 --> 00:14:59,799 right now, I think you look at talent, you look 364 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:02,000 at the entire makeup, and you wonder, you know, if 365 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:04,080 you're an NBA team, you will invest the lottery take 366 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,759 is he a he the kind of player that can 367 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:07,679 turn your fortunes as a franchise. Now, it's certainly a 368 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,559 lot of big names out there, but I think the 369 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,720 bands has the entire package. I think he has upsided, 370 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,080 continued to grow and and and build. You know, certainly 371 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:17,480 he's got the NBA body right now. Right he can 372 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:19,159 go in and probably you know, get you some minutes 373 00:15:19,159 --> 00:15:21,440 in the NBA today too. So I think you know, 374 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,519 for me, Ben, I'm big on consistency. I'm big on 375 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,039 sort of how your team, you know, functions and prepares 376 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,320 around you. And I think you factor all those things 377 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,399 in there. I think a j Debanta has has still 378 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:33,519 has some room to grow in the ceiling. And if 379 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:35,519 I were the NBA team said with that number one 380 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:37,840 ping pong ball, it would be hard for me to 381 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,559 to not call his name on draft Nick. 382 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,679 Speaker 1: Toking some basketball here on your Utah ESPN Radio network, 383 00:15:44,759 --> 00:15:49,360 b why you favored in this game? And ESPN Analytics 384 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,639 also giving b Yu the tip of the cap with 385 00:15:51,679 --> 00:15:55,840 their their their metrics here leading up to tip off. 386 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:58,440 But how do you see this game playing out right now? 387 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:59,879 Do you think it's gonna be a close one at 388 00:15:59,879 --> 00:16:01,120 the at the Varied Center. 389 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,279 Speaker 3: I like to hope so Ben, But again I think, 390 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,879 you know, if you're a Nights fan, this has the 391 00:16:05,919 --> 00:16:08,360 recipe for for one of those games that if they're 392 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:10,840 not involved early, if they kind of fall behind early, 393 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,679 you know, how will this game fare out? Again? They 394 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,679 came to Utah on Friday to play to play at 395 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:19,039 the youth on Saturday, they stayed in town. Obviously they 396 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,639 played vau on on Tuesday. Then we'll come back to 397 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,960 kind of finish out their their you know, the three 398 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,679 games trets at the end of the season. They're a 399 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,559 little bit dinged up a little bit injured. They still 400 00:16:28,559 --> 00:16:30,879 have a quad two game against Bayler coming up at home, 401 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,559 and then another game against what's Virginia and the co 402 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:35,120 Op one opportunity. So I think the first you know, 403 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,799 five to ten minutes bet are going to be really 404 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,960 crucial in this game. If if you see it doesn't 405 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,480 have it, If they're not in it early, I think 406 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:42,440 it could get out of control or hurry. But if 407 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,279 they're able to, you know, make some buckets, get some 408 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,879 stops and control some tempo, I think if you can 409 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:49,039 get past that ten minute mark and you're still within 410 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,679 shotting distance, I think you see it from give it 411 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:53,039 a game. But CURIOUSNCY is the fight they'll have, you know, 412 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,720 after this long road trip with some guys dinged up. 413 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,000 You know, how will how old coach Johnny Dawkins, you 414 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,399 know play the play the lineup right? How unma sure 415 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:02,840 if Riley Coogele is a variable available, will he see 416 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:05,359 of court time? So I'll be curious to see how 417 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,920 UCF plays this out. But I think the first ten 418 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,359 minutes so of real game time should show you what 419 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:12,400 the what this matchup will look like. And again, if 420 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,119 I think if you see a falls down in a hurry. 421 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,200 I think it can be a long night for Knights fans, 422 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,759 and it will be a long night on the East coast, 423 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:21,119 by the way, Ben, eleven PM Eastern Tip here here 424 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,200 in Florida, so a lot of a lot of Knights 425 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,960 fans might be catching this one on the replay on 426 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,160 Wednesday morning. 427 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: Have you taken the trip out to Provo yet, Adam, 428 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:29,799 I have not. 429 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 3: No, It's definitely a bucket list item. Did not get 430 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,880 out there this year for football, but definitely a bucket 431 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,640 list item. You know, heard nothing of the great things 432 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,400 about about the community, about the views and the sites 433 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,640 out there, so it's certainly a bucket list item for 434 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:42,279 me and my crew. 435 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,519 Speaker 1: What's what's been the attendance like at the football and 436 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:49,759 basketball game from BYU fans out there. 437 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 3: It's it's it's big, Ben, I will tell you what. 438 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:54,359 And anytime you see it in by you've had a 439 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,440 matchup the b YU Faithful Travel Travel really well. You know, 440 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,240 we actually had a second dose of it be you 441 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,599 was in the Pop Tarts Bool which is in Orlando 442 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:05,599 during the during the holiday season, and a ton of 443 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,039 folks from b YU made the track back down to 444 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,640 Orlando for that trip as well too, So always impressed 445 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,759 when whenever UCS has a chance to host b YU. 446 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,759 I think they'll do that again in the twenty twenty 447 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:17,920 six football season, b Y, you will come to Orlando. 448 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:21,160 So always always a lot of blue in the stands 449 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,960 when U c F and b YU play. They certainly 450 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:25,000 are and have been one of those fan bases that 451 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,799 travel really really really well, but always do a great 452 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:30,200 job of representing their school, but also being you know, 453 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:32,559 classy fans too, right. I mean, obviously they sounded in 454 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,160 opposing arena. Sometimes ten persons flair and and things can 455 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,039 get out of control, but they think the b YU 456 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,039 fans have always been very respectful fans, good fans, know 457 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,440 their sports, know their teams, you know, want to root 458 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,160 for their teams, and they've had a lot to root 459 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,559 for Ben So it's been it's been a good stretch 460 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,079 for for the b YU sports teams. 461 00:18:49,759 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: How much of of a of a of an allure 462 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,279 is it in the recruiting process for football, basketball and 463 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,319 other sports there you see being that it's kind of 464 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:09,680 destination Orlando, good Weather, Disney, you know, the the Universal studios, 465 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:12,880 Like how much does that play into the recruiting pitch 466 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,720 for some of these student athletes. 467 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:18,079 Speaker 3: Do you think, yeah, it's certainly a topic that you see, 468 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,400 it brings up. They kind of got roasted on social 469 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,079 media recently. They had a graphic that went viral that 470 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:26,200 cowded that Florida has no state tax, right, so for 471 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,240 athletes considering nil, they put that, I like put that 472 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:32,559 out there. A bunch of other schools kind of you know, 473 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,599 made some memes off that too. It as will happen 474 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,920 in social media. I think it's definitely a selling point, 475 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,200 you know, as you're trying to get kids to think about, 476 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,599 you know, coming to Orlando. I think where you've seen 477 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,319 the most of ben is, you know, UCF maybe hasn't 478 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,359 been as consistent, especially in football, with getting those kids 479 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,920 maybe right out of high school. Right so the high school, 480 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,000 you know, the senior doesn't maybe take UCF out of 481 00:19:54,039 --> 00:19:56,440 the gate, but you give some pretty successful and that 482 00:19:56,599 --> 00:19:59,559 second second go round when kids entered the portal or 483 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,519 decide maybe their destination wasn't for them. I think that's 484 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,759 where UCF has really been successful in their time. The 485 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:06,680 big twelve is maybe not that first go round of 486 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,000 getting that athlete, but the second time when they get 487 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:11,480 to portal, you know they have good relationships. Say hey, 488 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:13,240 I remember the weather down there was nice. Hey I 489 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:15,319 remember I could go do the hits. Hey I remember 490 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:17,039 I I could go do that. And I think that's 491 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:19,559 the part where UCF has been able to capitalize a ton. 492 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,880 It's maybe not as much as they'd like on that 493 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,000 first go round, but as kids entered the portal, I 494 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:26,880 think you look at destinations, you look opportunities. I think 495 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,559 that's where Orlando and UCF try to shine through as 496 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:32,119 a place that you can come and continue your sports career. 497 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: Adam Meeting ladies and gentlemen. Adam, you're the coast and 498 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,440 executive producer of Sons of uc A podcast. Best way 499 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,920 to support you what you do, how you do it 500 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,559 for all of our listeners, Yeah. 501 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: Ben, a YouTube follow would be fantastic. Finds on YouTube 502 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,960 all of our stuff there on a video also at 503 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,480 audio podcast as well, and check out our website sends 504 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:51,960 UCF dot com for all coverage of everything you see 505 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:52,119 it for. 506 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: Lady Adam, we appreciate you and thanks for hopping on 507 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:58,599 for another folks segment. We'll see in provo hopefully one of. 508 00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 3: These days appreciate you. Ben. Thanks. 509 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: There you go. That's Adam Eaton. Let's take a time out. 510 00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:06,960 That segment was brought to you though by orthopros of 511 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,599 Utah worthorpros of Utah. Brace up those knees and ankles, 512 00:21:09,599 --> 00:21:12,359 those risks, those elbows. 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Welcome In College Basketball Insider, 562 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,440 host of Fox Sports Radio and UH his very own 563 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,279 podcast is Welcome In Aaron Torres to the show What's up? Aaron? 564 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:43,079 How are you bet? 565 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,279 Speaker 2: I'm good Man always a privilege and a pleasure to 566 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,920 come on with you. How you guys doing. 567 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: Today, doing fantastic. It's a beautiful day here in the 568 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:53,759 great state of Utah. Uy, you gotta got a dub, 569 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,640 A much needed dub, A marquee dub, A resume building dub. 570 00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:01,480 It's been they didn't have a marquee win. How impactful 571 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:03,559 do you think that Iowish State win was for this 572 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,880 BYU basketball resume? 573 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:10,559 Speaker 2: Well, you know, for the resume. I just think it's 574 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,640 for the psyche because listen, you know b YU is 575 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,960 going to make the tournament. It's not going to be 576 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,440 necessarily the seating that anybody hoped for when we talked 577 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,359 about this team, and you know, September, October, November coming 578 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,559 into the year. But I think more than anything, and 579 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,400 by the way, you know, there was nothing on the 580 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,480 resume outside of the Oklahoma State game that was really worrying. 581 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,319 But I I you know, you know the fan base 582 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,200 better than I do, Ben, and I think you're probably 583 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,960 around the team. I don't think I know you're around 584 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,119 the team more than I am, and so I think 585 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,000 you would have a better feel for if emotionally, this 586 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,880 was a win that they needed to have, and I 587 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,359 think when you get that win over an Iowa State 588 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,680 team that, of course, when they released the mock bracket 589 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:55,680 on Saturday, was trending as a number one seed. What 590 00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:58,400 that basically means is that on the right night, you 591 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,440 can beat just about anybody. And like I said, it's 592 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,839 it's obviously with the injuries and everything, been a little 593 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:08,480 bit of a disappointing season, but you know, in some ways, 594 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,039 the season is just now beginning, and you don't want to. 595 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,079 I always hate when people only kind of uh, you know, 596 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,759 crystallized in college basketball season into four or five six 597 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,559 games in an NCAA tournament. But you know, you can 598 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,079 make up for some degree of disappointment by just doing 599 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,720 what you did on Saturday when you get into that 600 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:29,119 big bracket a few weeks from now. 601 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:33,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when I say resume building. To me, this 602 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,759 BAU basketball team is good. They're there. I think they have. 603 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,799 They're a borderline great team. I think they may need 604 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,799 some help with seeding in order to make a run 605 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,160 in the NCAAH. Otherwise they could be they could be 606 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,079 on the outs early, earlier than expected. And at that 607 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,279 leading up to that, Ioways stay game. I think many 608 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,640 boy fans started to They started feel a little incredulous. 609 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,039 They were like, man, this this season is lost. We 610 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,240 we we went out, we got we ACQUI had a 611 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,039 lot of great talent, but the ROI hasn't been there. 612 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,400 We have too many season ending injuries of the Dawson 613 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,319 Baker injury, the Richie Sonders injury, Broti Koslowski, you know, 614 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,359 kJ Perry hasn't been a vailus even Stateton's out. It's 615 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,079 just they've never experienced this many injuries before. And they 616 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,519 kind of felt a little deflated, knowing that they would 617 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,000 get to an NCAA tournament, but that the seeding may 618 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,559 not be most beneficial and the personnel may not be 619 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,960 good enough to get them deeper than expected. 620 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's totally fair. And I do tend to agree. 621 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,519 And I don't know off the top of my head 622 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,200 what would be the advantageous draw and who you would 623 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,200 want to see and who you would not want to see. 624 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,920 But I do think there is something to what you 625 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,839 just said about when you have a certain young man 626 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,680 by the name of Agent de Bos on your team, 627 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,680 you're gonna have a chance against anybody. And so, yes, 628 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:55,960 would you like to see this team at full strength. 629 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:58,559 Of course, do you want an All American and Richie Saunders? 630 00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,039 Speaker 1: Of course? 631 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: Do you want to Austin Baker one of the best 632 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,920 six men in college basketball? Of course, But the reality 633 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:08,039 is that's just not going to be possible. And you know, 634 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,559 I guess the only thing that I would really say 635 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,519 is you don't want to be drawing dead going into 636 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:17,160 the terminent either. There are teams that even good teams 637 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,440 that like it doesn't really matter what the draw is, 638 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,160 they have no chance. And I do still think b 639 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,799 YU has a chance because of AJ, and and you know, 640 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,559 we saw the best of what he's capable of. I 641 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,880 know Kevin Young said after the game he thought it 642 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,039 was the most complete game that AJ has had as 643 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:35,599 a BYU Cougar. And again, I just I know it's 644 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,640 the obvious point, but I think it's an important one. 645 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,079 If AJ can do that against Iowa State, that means 646 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,359 he can do it about just he can do that 647 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,680 against just about anybody in the country. And if you 648 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,839 can do it against Iowa State, that means you can 649 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,599 beat just about anybody in the country. So you're right, 650 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,039 I think the draw is going to matter. And again 651 00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,200 i'd have to see who the draw is, who you're playing, 652 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,920 who your match up with, before I could say whether 653 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,880 I feel really good that you'll be able to make 654 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,200 a run or not. But like I said, despite all 655 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:11,000 the injuries, yeah, to quote dumb and dumber, you're saying 656 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,599 there's a chance, And I absolutely think there's a chance 657 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,920 because of the talent of the guys that are still 658 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,359 on the court. 659 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,799 Speaker 1: Aaron, what have you been covering on your podcast over 660 00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:23,240 the weekend and leading up to today's show and maybe 661 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,599 tomorrow's show. What are you going to be covering? 662 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: Well, there's a guy named Darren Peterson who's certainly made 663 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,720 a lot of headlines. I'm one that I've been critical 664 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,799 and for people who just see a social media post 665 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,400 of mine or aren't familiar with me or whatever, I've 666 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,680 been critical. But but I think it could all be 667 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,359 solved with with Darren Peterson releasing a statement. You know, 668 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,160 he kind of did a half hearted interview with ESPN 669 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,480 today where he had one quote that went viral, But 670 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,440 if you actually read the article, there's like four or 671 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,839 five quote that actually don't make you feel good about 672 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,960 the situation. And all I'll say is, you know, and 673 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,319 I think it's this is a unique audience to be 674 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,880 talking to about this. But I've really tried to give 675 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,279 him the benefit of the doubt Darren Peterson for literally 676 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,000 months upon months to start the season. I do think 677 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:24,319 that YU game is where my opinion started to change 678 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:28,839 of if this is cramps. We all watch the game, 679 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,240 every person listening to you right now, Ben watch that 680 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,599 specific game. He did not treat the cramps like any 681 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,000 person that I have ever seen in sports history that 682 00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:41,559 had cramps. You know, no, no work with the trainers, 683 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,640 you know, no, no, no stretching. 684 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: Juice, you know what I mean, where's the juice? 685 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: All of the above. Yeah, and it's just and oh, 686 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,440 by the way, then the videos come out of his 687 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,079 agent coming down and talking to the a D and 688 00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,359 so you know, I do think that's the biggest topic 689 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,359 right now. And I do think at some point, I 690 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,880 actually think just for his own benefit to quiet the 691 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,720 noise that listen. You know, I think when people like 692 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,720 me are critical, it's like, oh, you just want them 693 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,240 to say something because you're in the media, And like, 694 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:17,319 all I'll say is I think he would actually be 695 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,119 doing himself a huge service to just tell his side 696 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,559 of the story. Of what's really going on. But you know, 697 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:27,599 when you don't tell your side of the story, when 698 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,160 you leave it up to speculation, you know, you have 699 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,200 the situation like we find ourselves in now. And I 700 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,799 don't go along with this answer, But let me just 701 00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:36,960 say one more thing is you know, one thing that 702 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,440 I've been kind of disappointed in, and I did tweet 703 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,000 about it today, is this notion from other people in 704 00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:46,640 our business, if you're not on the inside, you shouldn't 705 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,440 be speculating. Well, actually, that's our job as the media 706 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,079 is to use the information that we have to draw conclusions. 707 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:58,319 And if nobody from Kansas is going to tell us 708 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,079 the truth, then we have nothing to do but speculate. 709 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,319 So obviously that's been a big story, along with you know, 710 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:08,599 two great matchups this weekend, all that stuff. It's been 711 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,359 It's actually a really fun time of year. And I 712 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,359 hate that all of us, including me certainly, are spending 713 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,359 so much time talking about the Darren Peterson stuff. 714 00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: Do you think he was actually injured or do you 715 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,960 think he's he's bluffing? 716 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,599 Speaker 2: You know, every every game it feels a little bit different, 717 00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,160 you know, And what I would say, and this was 718 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,759 the part that I said on the show today, is 719 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,839 that is that maybe he is injured. And I certainly 720 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,400 think you can look at film of him in high 721 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,359 school and say that he's injured. But what I would 722 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,519 also say is this Ben, is that I feel like, 723 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,119 as somebody who covers college sports on a day to 724 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,160 day basis, I'm not swooping in because the NFL is done. 725 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,920 You know, I'm not on first eight whatever. There were 726 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:58,359 three times that I felt like he really got criticized. 727 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,400 It was after the way you gave It was Arizona 728 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,160 on Big Monday when he didn't play, and it was 729 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,119 obviously Oklahoma State after you know, two games ago. And 730 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,400 I only bring it up because all I will say 731 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,640 is this two things is one is that he has 732 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:19,160 played essentially the most minutes he's played all year in 733 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:23,400 games directly after he has been criticized. And then what 734 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,440 I would also say. 735 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,799 Speaker 4: Is if you pay close attention, he essentially only pulls 736 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,160 himself out of games like by you like Oklahoma State, 737 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:37,279 when he is both playing well and the team is 738 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,160 comfortably ahead. And so all I will say is if 739 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,039 it is not load management, there are a lot of 740 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,519 coincidences in when specifically he's coming out of games and 741 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,359 how he reacts to criticism. 742 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 2: So you could draw your conclusions on what I think 743 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,039 based on what I just said. 744 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: So who is your takeoverall next in this next year's 745 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,920 be a drapped aj Darren or somebody else. 746 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen one, I go aged one and 747 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,640 I would say this if I was on in Lawrence 748 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,400 right now. It's not just because I'm on in Provost available. 749 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,319 Best ability is availability. And then the guy that I 750 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400 love is unfortunately out right now is Caleb Wilson. I 751 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,000 actually would would have Caleb Wilson above Darren Peterson right 752 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,799 now as well. And what I would say about DP 753 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,039 about Darren Peterson really quick is you know, this is 754 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:32,079 another thing that I keep saying is one of two 755 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,240 things is true, and neither of them is good for 756 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,440 him because he's obviously going to be asked about this 757 00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,839 at the combine and when he meets with teams, and 758 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,920 you know, realistically he's not going to fall past two, three, 759 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:47,160 four somewhere in that range. One of two things is 760 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,119 going on, and behind door number one and door number two, 761 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,400 neither is good either. He has some injury that the 762 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,680 best doctors at the University of Kansas or Kansas University 763 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,000 have spent six months on a able to figure out 764 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,039 or he's thanking an injury which might even be worse. 765 00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:08,480 And so either one I think puts him in a 766 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,400 tough situation. By the way, the thing that cracks me up, 767 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,519 because I keep hearing this a lot, is well, you know, 768 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,440 none of it matters if he just plays March madness, 769 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,519 and it's like, well, actually it does matter, because then 770 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:22,840 that confirms that he was just faking it the whole time. So, 771 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,559 like I said, I don't go along on all these 772 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:28,280 answers that I apologize. I just think he has dug 773 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880 himself a hole. And I think the best thing that 774 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,960 he can do, other than just consistently playing game in 775 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:36,480 and game out, is to just do some sort of 776 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:39,119 media availability where he kind of explained this side of 777 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:39,480 the story. 778 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: I truly believe that have you ever heard him in 779 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,320 front of the media. Is he an introvert? Does he 780 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,000 not articulate? Well, he seems already a little bit despondent 781 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,119 almost like in like his body language. I mean, he's 782 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,800 a basketball player that he goes about doing his work, 783 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,119 but like he's not overly interacting with anybody. He you 784 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:03,159 know what I mean, Like, it doesn't seem like maybe 785 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,679 it would do him. He thinks he would do more 786 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,239 of a disservice to himself if he actually went in 787 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,360 front of a microphone. 788 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: So it's funny you say that. So my Fox Sports 789 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,119 radio partner Jason Martin, who I host on Saturday nights with, 790 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,039 he's he's a college hoops guy, but he doesn't follow 791 00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,119 it necessarily on a day to day basis like you 792 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,880 and I do, and a lot of the audience does. 793 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,480 Ben And he actually asked me on air, this would 794 00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:28,800 have been Saturday night, he said, so, like, am I 795 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,280 missing something? Has he done a media availability? And from 796 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,119 what I remember, I could be wrong, and I may 797 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:41,280 be wrong. I don't remember him doing any postgame media availability, 798 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,440 even in games that he's finished, and even in games 799 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,800 that he's played well. He did, to his credit, go 800 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,119 to Big twelve Media Day. He did a few interviews there. 801 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,639 But we also know, you know, all the main TV 802 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,880 partners are a Big twelve media Day. I suspect a 803 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,760 lot of the stuff was taped for the season, Like, 804 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,920 I don't remember him doing a lot that specific day. 805 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,760 But it's to your point, I don't think that I'm 806 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,079 aware of he's done any postgame media availability. And one, 807 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,599 I give coach Young, I give aj De Bonds a 808 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:12,519 lot of credit ags out there, wins, losses, whatever, he's 809 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:15,000 going out there and facing the media and answering tough questions. 810 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:19,000 But two, I really think that in this world where 811 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,519 everybody works with an agency and everybody has a quote 812 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:27,079 unquote camp, I think that his camp thinks that this 813 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,840 is the right approach, and I actually think it's being 814 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,440 one hundred percent wrong approach. And I know I've said 815 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,840 it four or five six times now, but I think 816 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,920 when you don't speak at all, it allows everybody else 817 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,079 to create a narrative that may be true and may 818 00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:43,760 be false. And I think whoever is advising him, he's 819 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,960 only eighteen, nineteen years old. Clearly he's being advised by somebody. 820 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,039 I think whoever's advising him is giving him just bad information. 821 00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:50,679 Point play. 822 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. That's one of the things 823 00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,960 that we discussed. It's like, look, whoever the power brokers are, 824 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,880 whoever his influencers are, parents agent, it seems like they 825 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,920 may be a little bit inexperience in the PR game 826 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,480 because they've gone into reactionary mode where they're like, hey, 827 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:10,840 Myron Metcalf, do you want to do an interview, Hey, 828 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,480 personal development coach, can you put something out on Twitter 829 00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,000 about how hard you know what I mean, It's like, 830 00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:23,199 it just seems very manufactured. It's reactive, it's not proactive. 831 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840 It seems like there's a lack of self awareness. Right, 832 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,719 it's a lack of internal team awareness. 833 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think the other thing too that I 834 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,039 would say, one, I agree with all that. The other 835 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,840 thing that I would say too is one, it is 836 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,000 very reactive. Like I said a minute ago, it's amazing 837 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,239 how he always seems to play the most minutes immediately 838 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,000 after being criticized. And then the other thing that I've 839 00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,960 been thinking about with him is, you know, I do 840 00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,920 think there have been injuries at various points, but I 841 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:00,199 also think, you know, like as an example, like the 842 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,440 Knight that he missed the game against the number one 843 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,719 team in the country with the fluke, you know. And 844 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,679 again to your point, Ben, he did an interview with 845 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,119 Myra Metcalf today he sort of addressed that at whatever. 846 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,039 But my biggest takeaway because you asked me what my 847 00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:16,320 takeaway was, and it has changed throughout the season. I 848 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,840 do think it's something where he's not he's just decided 849 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,599 that if he's not one hundred percent, he's basically not 850 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,760 playing until he's actually gotten pushback. And that's fine. And 851 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,760 I don't think he's somebody who should be forcing himself 852 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,960 out there if he doesn't feel healthy. We understand there's 853 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,039 something bigger at stake here over the course of the 854 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,760 next ten, twelve, fifteen years of his career. But I 855 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,199 also do think that if you're an NBAGM again, I 856 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,519 think you probably have to be a little bit worried of, 857 00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,199 you know, if he can't make it through two weeks 858 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,400 of a college season completely healthy without something popping up. 859 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,039 You know, forget eighty two games, can are you going 860 00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:54,599 to get seventy out of them? Are you going to 861 00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:58,599 get sixty five? That's concerning a nineteen twenty years old 862 00:38:58,679 --> 00:38:59,079 It really. 863 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: Is Aaron Torres, Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron, best way to 864 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,599 support you what you do, how you do it for 865 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:06,800 all of our listeners is where I guess we're coming 866 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,000 up on a break here shortly. 867 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, Ben, I didn't know you hosted, 868 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,199 you know, Jayhawk ninety five to five, the game in 869 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,320 provo here, so I appreciate us doing a you know, 870 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,880 I'm totally kidding, totally kidding, man, No college hoops, college football, 871 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,440 Aaron Torres podcast you know where we stream every morning, 872 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,280 so you know I'll be on it, you know, eight Pacific, 873 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,239 nine Mountain Tomorrow morning, breaking down the games tonight whatever 874 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,559 the big stories pop up and then yeah, I know 875 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:36,320 you got to get to a break. So just Aaron 876 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,039 underscore Torres on Twitter. We have our tours on dyu page, 877 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:42,840 which is a BYU student helps me run with all 878 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,519 my content, a lot of fun stuff and a lot 879 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,119 of kooks covered hopefully for several more weeks before this 880 00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:49,199 basketball season ends. 881 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: Real quick, how far do you think, b what you 882 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,320 can get in the NCAA tournament? 883 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 2: Just off the top, what what you said was right? 884 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,599 Is that I do think it will be draw dependent. 885 00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:00,840 But I think when you got age at BOXI you 886 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,679 got a chance. And I really truly do believe. 887 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: That at least sweet sixteen or is that is that 888 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,239 the seedling? 889 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 2: Listen? Man, I know it was in provo. If you 890 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,079 can beat if you can beat Iowa State, Iowa State, 891 00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:14,559 it's a really good team. NBA players, great defense, and 892 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,760 AJ just made them, you know, look silly, and that's 893 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,840 not an insult to them, it's a compliment to him. 894 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,559 But yes, I think Sweet sixteen is in play. I 895 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,039 don't I don't know how much time we have. I mean, 896 00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:26,960 what are we looking at as a seed here? A 897 00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:28,920 five to six seeds somewhere in that range if there's 898 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,800 nothing catastrophic that happens the next week or. 899 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,760 Speaker 1: The Unfortunately, we don't have enough time. My producers already 900 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,039 tell me, Ben, you got to get the break. So 901 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,880 I salute you. I appreciate you. Aaron Torres, follow him, 902 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,559 listen to him, subscribe to him. Eron, We salute you man. 903 00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:41,079 Thanks so much. 904 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,159 Speaker 3: All right, Ben, have a great afternoon. 905 00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:46,519 Speaker 1: Thank you much loved Aaron Torres. 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