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<v Speaker 1>And this is Michael Rosenbaum Alex Luthor, and you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Always hold On to Smallville.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville. In this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about each and every episode of the Young

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<v Speaker 2>Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven on the WB and the C. I'm our

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<v Speaker 2>host Sachmore, and we're back with our next installment in

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<v Speaker 2>the top ten episodes. That's right, the top ten episodes

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<v Speaker 2>of Smallville as voted by you the listeners. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>are here to talk about the number ten entry Lexmis. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Smallville did one and a half Christmas episodes and this

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<v Speaker 2>is an episode that I missed in first run, so

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't hold the special nostalgic place in my heart

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<v Speaker 2>that it did for a lot of our listeners. And

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see if it hold that same nostalgic place in

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<v Speaker 2>the hearts of a lot of our panels as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I am joined by Lance Laster from Always

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<v Speaker 2>On Onto Aero, Victoria Malay, and in addition to them,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Schrux from Lewis and Clark, the New podcast of Superman,

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<v Speaker 2>and many of our podcasts here on the Always Along

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<v Speaker 2>two network, and also Matthew broke up and they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the chance to read off their top ten lists

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<v Speaker 2>like Lance Victoria and I did in the Honorable Mentions episode,

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<v Speaker 2>So I will read it off now. Matt Triix is

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<v Speaker 2>top ten, is This number ten, x Ray number nine,

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<v Speaker 2>Perry number eight, Absolute Justice number seven, Vortex number six,

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<v Speaker 2>Infamous number five, Tempest number four, Calling number three, Asylum

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<v Speaker 2>number two, Insurgents, and number one Memoria. Matthew Roke is

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<v Speaker 2>top ten in no particular order, so keep that in mind.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave me the ten episodes that he said no

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<v Speaker 2>particular order, but you know, I think subconsciously his order

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<v Speaker 2>might tell us something. So his top ten or This

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<v Speaker 2>number ten, Finale number nine, Justice number eight, Mercy number seven,

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<v Speaker 2>Commencement number six, Covenant number five, Shattered number four, Onyx

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<v Speaker 2>number three, Pilot number two, Memoria, and number one Lexmis.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you have it. Now, this is gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>our our standard panel for our top ten episodes discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Due to scheduling conflicts here and there in availability, we

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<v Speaker 2>might have one or two people not being able to

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<v Speaker 2>join in the conversation, but the five of us, myself, Lancelaster, Victoria, Malay,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Trux, and Matthew Rocca will be your guides through

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<v Speaker 2>these top ten episodes. And something else I thought would

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<v Speaker 2>be fun before we jump into our conversation here with

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<v Speaker 2>our panel is look back on what grades we gave

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<v Speaker 2>these episodes on the podcast. So if you look back

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<v Speaker 2>at Lexmus, that was myself and Cavante Chillis and I

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<v Speaker 2>gave lexmiths at A and Cavante gave Lexmis an A. So,

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<v Speaker 2>as always, my opinions, your opinions maybe are always in flux. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Episodes that you didn't care much for didn't really give

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time to when you sit down and

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<v Speaker 2>really examine them and talk about them, might really win

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<v Speaker 2>you over, or you might find them more disappointed than

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<v Speaker 2>you remember. So even though it didn't make my top

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<v Speaker 2>ten list, I did it up ranking it high in

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<v Speaker 2>our episode coverage. So, without further ado, let's discuss the

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<v Speaker 2>number ten episode of Smallville, Lexmis It's Good to Be

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<v Speaker 2>the King on the WB Thursday, The Life Lex No's

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<v Speaker 2>disappears in a flash.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh my dad, No, this is your life?

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<v Speaker 4>So Lex Luthor the finest man I know.

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<v Speaker 5>I've never been happier all.

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<v Speaker 6>This can be yours if you make the right choices.

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<v Speaker 5>What happened?

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<v Speaker 7>Lexmuths a small Ville Christmas?

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<v Speaker 6>Followed by Everwood on the WB Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about Lexmis. Lexmis is not on my top

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<v Speaker 2>ten list? Lance, Is Lexmis on your top ten list?

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<v Speaker 5>It was not?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Victoria, is Lexmus on your top ten list?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a note for me, dog Matt Truix.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Lexmis on your top ten list?

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<v Speaker 5>No, it was not.

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<v Speaker 2>Broca, is it on your top Apparently.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm the only one, and I was all excited. I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, this is a lot everyone's top ten every

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<v Speaker 6>loves Lexsmith.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm also looking at my list right now and realizing

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<v Speaker 4>I might have been in a certain state of mind.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of topics that are very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>I think that are worth discussing, like the existence of

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<v Speaker 4>That's interesting that I have a lot to say about that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in favor. Okay, cool, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>So Lexmith, it's not on my list? This is actually one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if the VCR messed up that night

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I recorded this one. Maybe I was

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<v Speaker 4>Are you like Home for Christmas?

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<v Speaker 5>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>You know that might have been it. That is an

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<v Speaker 2>excellent point, Matt, But I didn't see this one until

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<v Speaker 2>they came out on DVD. I saw all the stuff online, like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Cooly with long hair, and Clark with a scarf

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<v Speaker 2>and Jonathan with glasses and lot is pregnant. I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Those are my key takeaways from the episode as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Jonathan's hair as well. Jonathan's hair looks like bo Duke era.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks incredible, Yes, season five. John Schneider on point,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Yeah, maybe that's why this one never really

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<v Speaker 2>stuck with me. But it's one of those And being

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<v Speaker 2>a big Star Trek fan, I kind of thought about

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<v Speaker 2>this as well. If you look at like everybody started

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<v Speaker 2>Star Trek episodes, there are always these alternate universe time

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<v Speaker 2>travel kind of what if stuff, stuff you don't get

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<v Speaker 2>to see in the show proper. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>why a lot of people gravitate towards this, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>like oh Man, and that these cool what ifs, and

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<v Speaker 2>that happens a lot in Small Phille. As we all

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<v Speaker 2>know these cool wedding scenarios that wouldn't happen normally on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, Lex and Clark are still friends in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody seems pretty happy, I mean up until you know

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<v Speaker 2>some strategy happens. They had a good seven year run,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think that's why people really like it. And

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<v Speaker 2>also it is a big step on Lex's journey to

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<v Speaker 2>the dark side. So Lance, what are your thoughts in

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<v Speaker 2>brief about lexmis.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I do love the episode. It was not on

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<v Speaker 5>my list, but it was an honorable mention, so I

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<v Speaker 5>gave it some credit. But I think you're kind of

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<v Speaker 5>missing the bigger issue with the episode, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>a Christmas episode. Everybody loves Christmas specials, so and especially me,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a sucker for Christmas specials of any kind. So

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<v Speaker 5>that's why I was really really digging in this episode.

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<v Speaker 5>You got to see a different side of Lex. You

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<v Speaker 5>get to see his intermost desire, and you could see

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<v Speaker 5>his innermost desire is to be happy. It's not like

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<v Speaker 5>the other stuff that he ends up doing, which and

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<v Speaker 5>that's again, that makes him so tragic in this show,

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<v Speaker 5>is like, you see what he actually wants, what he

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<v Speaker 5>actually what would actually fulfill him is a family that

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<v Speaker 5>loves him and his friends that love him and surrounded

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<v Speaker 5>by love in his life. That's all he wants. And

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<v Speaker 5>then it's just so tracticed to see that that's a

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<v Speaker 5>not what he gets and be what he chooses to

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<v Speaker 5>not want anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Great Victoria, what do you think about Lexmis Why is

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<v Speaker 2>it one of your favorite episodes or is.

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<v Speaker 3>It it's it's not. I'm just gonna be real with y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>I detest Lexana.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, even fantasy Lexana.

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<v Speaker 7>Fantasy Lexana, and I'm going to tell you why, and

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<v Speaker 7>I'm going to bring down the mood for a minute.

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<v Speaker 7>But I had a major death of my family on

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<v Speaker 7>Christmas Eve, so I like, I can kind of relate.

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<v Speaker 7>So it was kind of like, oh, because I hadn't

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<v Speaker 7>seen the episode since I watched it in like two

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<v Speaker 7>thousand and five, I did watch this one, Zach. You

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<v Speaker 7>might have missed it, but I remember watching it and

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<v Speaker 7>being like.

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<v Speaker 3>What is going on?

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<v Speaker 5>But it was really.

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<v Speaker 7>Interesting revisiting it and being able to empathize with lex

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<v Speaker 7>in a different way, because like if it's like I

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<v Speaker 7>could put myself in the what if, like if I

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<v Speaker 7>was able, and it made me feel for him, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>if I'd known that I was going to lose someone

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<v Speaker 7>like this, And at tragerway on Christmas Eve, I really

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<v Speaker 7>understood his choice of being like, uh no, if fat,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not going to make these choices, mom, angel, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go back and do that.

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<v Speaker 5>It was.

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<v Speaker 7>It's so interesting though, because as much as I detest Lexana.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted more of it.

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<v Speaker 7>I really did not enjoy the Clark schmaltziness of the

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<v Speaker 7>Santa of it all, and like as much like I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know if you guys have gleaned from my episodes

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<v Speaker 7>on always hold on to Smallville proper, but I love

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<v Speaker 7>like either like taking clothes off of Tomwelling or putting

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<v Speaker 7>him in outfits. So as much as TIME love Tom

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<v Speaker 7>Welling and like a Christmas look, I just I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>like the whole Santa Claus plot.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was cute that they had him like.

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<v Speaker 7>Delivering presents and he could do that because of his powers,

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<v Speaker 7>but I think the whole like magical. I think there

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<v Speaker 7>was just too much like magical realism going on with

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<v Speaker 7>like the It's a Wonderful lifeness with lex and then

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<v Speaker 7>like the Santa's Reel with Clark, and I just wish

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<v Speaker 7>there was honestly more lex And I thought it was

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<v Speaker 7>a great episode, especially for John Glover as well as Lionel,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's not one of my favorites, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 7>one of my favorites regardless of my own personal stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>I think because I really did not like lex On

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<v Speaker 7>on the show, and then revisiting it, I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 7>if you guys are going to do this, like do

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<v Speaker 7>it full out.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't feel like the episode did it full out.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are some great points of Victoria. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>too much going on magically, like you have ghost Mom

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<v Speaker 2>who can showlex the future, and also Santa Claus I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Twilight Zone rules, just like the unwritten

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<v Speaker 2>rule of Twilight Zone was like you can have one weird.

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<v Speaker 7>Second, yeah, or make Santa a meteor freak, okay, operate

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<v Speaker 7>within the structure of the show that you have had

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<v Speaker 7>for five seasons.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just picturing sat, the drunken Santa Claus being doing

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<v Speaker 6>one of the meteor freak you don't know what it's

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<v Speaker 6>like to grow up.

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<v Speaker 8>I would kind of love that, though, I would kind

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<v Speaker 8>of love that.

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<v Speaker 6>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>These green rocks. I was living in the North Pole,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, and these green rocks came down from the

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<v Speaker 2>sky and destroyed my home.

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<v Speaker 7>Guys, No, but it tracks, it tracks the Fortresses Solitude.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know fortress the Solitude was meant to be.

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<v Speaker 7>I will be writing fanfic, yes, But.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Twilight Zone rules of weirdness where it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do time travel, but you can't do aliens

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<v Speaker 2>and time travel, or you can't do like ghosts and

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<v Speaker 2>time travel. You do ghosts, right, So that's that was

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<v Speaker 2>That's like the issue with this one, not not that

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<v Speaker 4>No, nothing has anything to do with anything. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>So those are all those are all great points for story.

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<v Speaker 2>So so so Trux, You're you're next up. What are

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I love this episode. I always like seeing them

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<v Speaker 4>play different sides of these characters. So just the idea

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<v Speaker 4>of like super happy, like actually genuine lex for a whole,

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<v Speaker 4>like he's got no pretense on him. He is just

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<v Speaker 4>of see that. For a second, I was all kind

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<v Speaker 4>of thinking, like, you know, you do the plots of

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<v Speaker 4>an episode. I was like, is this it's a wonderful life?

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<v Speaker 4>I guess it kind of is.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of that. And also Christmas Carol too.

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<v Speaker 4>That totally, but also there's a bit of like for

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<v Speaker 7>But also that movie that I didn't see but I

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<v Speaker 7>know of a Nicholas Cage called The Family Man, Well

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<v Speaker 4>Up family many Like, oh no, it is.

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<v Speaker 7>It's like I think Nicholas Cage is like a high

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<v Speaker 7>powered businessman and he wakes up and he's like a

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, not to be confused with the weather Man with

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Cage was also came in around the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Very confusing. But yes, this is clearly movie plot. Is

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<v Speaker 2>an episode, I can all agree, but it's it's the

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<v Speaker 2>shades of everything. That's four movie plots.

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<v Speaker 4>It's that. And and to defend their choices for a second,

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<v Speaker 4>like if we're taking the magical realism for granted here,

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<v Speaker 4>I like the idea of these two American or at

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<v Speaker 4>for me, that's just like almost the old guy in

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<v Speaker 4>town scoping out the new talent, you know, like just

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<v Speaker 4>Santus shopping by before he's Superman. If we're looking at

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<v Speaker 4>it in like that weird Grant Morrison level of meta

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<v Speaker 4>text reality, I kind of like the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>So, roka, this is on your top ten list, man,

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<v Speaker 2>So representpresentator, tell us why it deserves a spot on

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<v Speaker 6>All right, all right, all right, so lexmis For me,

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<v Speaker 6>it was so interesting and different to see Lex at

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<v Speaker 6>the show I thought was really interesting, like the placement

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<v Speaker 6>of that, because if it was like season one or

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<v Speaker 6>season two, it maybe wouldn't have been as fascinating or

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<v Speaker 6>tragic because we already knew Lex is just like this

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<v Speaker 6>great guy in those seasons. But when it came to

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<v Speaker 6>season five and we had seen him torture Aquaman and like,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, and do all this other crazy up here

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<v Speaker 6>on the Shark, I guess, oh, I was quoting that

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<v Speaker 6>for weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>In what way.

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<v Speaker 6>I would go up to people I don't know what

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<v Speaker 6>I was talking about in high school and I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 6>he may be a big fish in the water, but

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<v Speaker 6>up here, I'm sure my best friend back to he'd

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<v Speaker 6>be like, is that another Lex quote?

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, oh God, this makes me sad. I

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<v Speaker 3>wish I had more small vel friends growing up.

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<v Speaker 6>I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have been there for you.

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<v Speaker 6>I know, if we knew each other in high school,

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<v Speaker 6>we'd all be quoting this together. But yeah, so no,

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<v Speaker 6>it was To me it was a great episode because

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<v Speaker 6>it was really fun and interesting to see, uh Lex

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<v Speaker 6>where he was at that point that's sort of like

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<v Speaker 6>in between transition point where he was almost a villain

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<v Speaker 6>but he wasn't quite there yet, And he was in

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<v Speaker 6>that spot where he almost could go back to being

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<v Speaker 6>good guy Lex, but he couldn't quite get there. And

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<v Speaker 6>to me, like it presented a lot of philosophical sort

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<v Speaker 6>of interesting issues that that idea of power versus living

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<v Speaker 6>a happy family life, And to me, I always had

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<v Speaker 6>this theory of it. But I don't know if anyone

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<v Speaker 6>else thought this or not, but I always had this

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<v Speaker 6>kind of weird theory that the two could coexist. But

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<v Speaker 6>maybe because Lex is Lex and he's got Lionel as

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<v Speaker 6>a dad, Like, if he goes down the power path, like,

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<v Speaker 6>he can't do it in a good, normal way, so

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<v Speaker 6>it has to be really messed up the way he

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<v Speaker 6>goes about it. But if his lesson in the end

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<v Speaker 6>of the episode was, hey, maybe I should hold onto

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<v Speaker 6>my power and money but use it for only good

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<v Speaker 6>and then maybe I can have both, then maybe that

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<v Speaker 6>could have been like a normal person lesson. But he's Lex,

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<v Speaker 6>so he doesn't get a normal person lesson out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>A that's like the tragedy of the series for him,

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<v Speaker 4>is it? You know, just the idea that he's always got.

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<v Speaker 4>There's that dangling carrot of like I could be a

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<v Speaker 4>good man. He could, he could not choose this path

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<v Speaker 4>of super villainy at any point. But we just key

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<v Speaker 4>and make mistake and mistake and mistake and mistake. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>so glad we got into this so quick. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that it was just it's heartbreaking at the end because

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<v Speaker 4>you know that he couldn't have that way.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, but then it's also just like the tragedy of

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<v Speaker 7>the show and the premise of the show. And I

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<v Speaker 7>know some people say that the show went on too long,

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<v Speaker 7>but it was nice to have that time to explore

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<v Speaker 7>Lex's journey in downward spiral because I think if this

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<v Speaker 7>was just a guy named Alexander Luthor, he would have

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<v Speaker 7>chosen like the right thing to do maybe, or he

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<v Speaker 7>would have done that like halfway decision. But he's Lex Luthor,

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<v Speaker 7>and we like part of Smallville is we all know

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<v Speaker 7>how the story ends, which again just makes the more

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<v Speaker 7>episode more compelling and more heart wrenching to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think with Lex, he is a man of extremes,

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<v Speaker 2>so he totally he could not have gone either way.

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<v Speaker 2>But when he's presented with his choice of Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>can do the right thing and have happiness for like

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<v Speaker 2>seven years, or I could do what I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to do anyway, hold on to my money in power

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<v Speaker 2>and then figure it out when that happens. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I probably would have done that because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, Okay, if I have the money in power,

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<v Speaker 2>then I can solve this. We'll figure that when we

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<v Speaker 2>get there. So that I'm not saying I would do

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<v Speaker 2>that slammed, but I understand the reasoning. It's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but he just couldn't like your guys are saying, he

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't stay true.

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<v Speaker 7>Also because I think he gives a really good reason

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<v Speaker 7>to what he's talking to Lillian, where it's not just

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<v Speaker 7>like the future of it all.

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<v Speaker 3>He also brings up this past. He's like, everyone I

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<v Speaker 3>love has died and this is gonna happen to me.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and that's not to say, because I'm living it

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<v Speaker 7>right now that you can't find happiness after you lose

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<v Speaker 7>a loved one, but like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>And I was like, oh, that is kind of a

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<v Speaker 7>good point. Like I do kind of see where you're

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it feeds to the good guy's side of him

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<v Speaker 4>and the makelamonoacle like I have to control every part

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<v Speaker 4>of my life side of him too.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's it's really Yeah, it really does play off

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<v Speaker 6>of both. And yeah, and also Victoria, what you're saying

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<v Speaker 6>is kind of why I think the episode works. So well,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's in such a self contained way. And even

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<v Speaker 6>though it was cool, like later on when they confirmed

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<v Speaker 6>that it was real, I think it, I know, works

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<v Speaker 6>in a way. I mean that's a whole other discussion,

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<v Speaker 6>but like I think it kind of works better as

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<v Speaker 6>like maybe it's an ambiguous vision because it's his psychology

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<v Speaker 6>kind of way, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's all like a dream.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, it's definitely ambitious and just the whole thought

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<v Speaker 5>of like you know, Lex literally gets paradise for a day,

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<v Speaker 5>it's just so sad, like the choices he makes after that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's it's you know, it kind of reminds

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<v Speaker 5>me of Buffy, Like you know, when Buffy dies, he

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<v Speaker 5>goes to heaven and then she gets yanked back. You

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<v Speaker 5>feel for somebody like that, it's like, how do you

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<v Speaker 5>recover when you've from from from an experience like that?

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<v Speaker 5>And with Lex, we see him just do the complete

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<v Speaker 5>opposite of what it would be like to be in that,

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<v Speaker 5>in that state of mind, in that paradise. To everybody's point,

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<v Speaker 5>it's like we know the endgame already because his name

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<v Speaker 5>is Lex Luthor and so even though it is tragic,

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<v Speaker 5>it makes sense that he chooses the Lex Luthor path

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<v Speaker 5>as opposed to the Alexander family.

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<v Speaker 2>Man Luthor plan to see like the happiest you could

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<v Speaker 2>ever be and then have it all ripped away is

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<v Speaker 2>a terrible, terrible feeling. And then and then you're chasing it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just chasing it for pretty much the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>your life, trying to recapture it, trying to micromanage everything.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like, this is I just thought about

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<v Speaker 2>this now. It's like fifty first dates right with Adam

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<v Speaker 2>Sandler trying to yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>At the end every time, But he's ignoring the key

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<v Speaker 4>part of the vision, like Lilian's key message to him,

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<v Speaker 4>or and what Lana says to him is just like

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<v Speaker 4>after you got shot, that was like the best thing

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<v Speaker 4>that happened to you because that was the moment that

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<v Speaker 4>you did this. So just fundamentally, he's ignoring the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that no, like today was the day I was supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to change, not today, it was the day I was

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to do the same thing I was gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Clark has the same problem in season five. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like he gets the choice to repeat the day when

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<v Speaker 2>Lana gets killed and then his dad gets killed instead.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, like again, I would do this, like,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean, you're in the moment, you're gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>stupid decisions. You're like, Okay, well I know if I

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<v Speaker 2>do this, that's gonna happen. So I'm gonna not do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do the opposite of that and then figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out later. So it is tragic, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more tragic for Lex obviously. Uh then then, well,

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<v Speaker 2>actually it's equally tragic for Lex and Clark when they

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<v Speaker 2>This episode, Like they're older and they're like, I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>glad that you got with Lana, Lex and that we

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<v Speaker 7>I feel like the writers were asking themselves that though.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I just say like and just like, if we're

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<v Speaker 3>making a joke, no one will get mad at us.

423
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<v Speaker 6>Well.

424
00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.720
<v Speaker 2>The awkward The awkward thing about that though, is like

425
00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:38.200
<v Speaker 2>at the end, he's like, I love you, Lana. I

426
00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:39.720
<v Speaker 2>probably tell you that all the time. I don't know,

427
00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:41.200
<v Speaker 2>but I love you, like, oh, that's that's that's a

428
00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.000
<v Speaker 2>nice moment, right, I probably tell you that all the time.

429
00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.960
<v Speaker 2>But then he says I've always loved you. I'm like

430
00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:51.279
<v Speaker 2>creepy creek, creep great be now it's bad again.

431
00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:54.359
<v Speaker 4>Did anybody else have the trading cards for the show

432
00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:58.000
<v Speaker 4>and something? Okay, well, no.

433
00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:00.319
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm not a real small though fan.

434
00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:04.880
<v Speaker 4>Now oh no, please don't like I didn't. I never

435
00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:06.680
<v Speaker 4>knew what to do with trading cards. My mom kept

436
00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:09.400
<v Speaker 4>buying them for me, which I'm complaining because my mother

437
00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:09.720
<v Speaker 4>loved me.

438
00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:11.839
<v Speaker 2>Where were these? And what did you like? A combook store?

439
00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Because I hadn't. I haven't seen these?

440
00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:16.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, like my mom must have found a site.

441
00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:18.039
<v Speaker 4>When I was a kid, like every Christmas I would

442
00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.160
<v Speaker 4>get the last season's backs of cards or whatever. But

443
00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:24.000
<v Speaker 4>they were there were cards that were like the love

444
00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:28.759
<v Speaker 4>or like the couples, the love interests. In season one,

445
00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:32.319
<v Speaker 4>there is a Lana and Lex card and I remember

446
00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.680
<v Speaker 4>as a kid going like, that's weird that this would

447
00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.200
<v Speaker 4>be a card, And then like six years later, it's

448
00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:41.920
<v Speaker 4>like the cards knew Oh my god, yeah they knew.

449
00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:42.920
<v Speaker 4>It blew my mind.

450
00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:47.759
<v Speaker 3>It's literally in this statutory rape. How stef exactly.

451
00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:53.039
<v Speaker 6>Exactly if this existed, If this show existed at this

452
00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:55.839
<v Speaker 6>time with everything happening, do you think that all that

453
00:21:55.880 --> 00:22:02.559
<v Speaker 6>stuff would be way more creepytal. No. But I just

454
00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:05.039
<v Speaker 6>want to say I hate. I want to agree with

455
00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:08.319
<v Speaker 6>Victoria on something, but defend it. In this case for Lexmus,

456
00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:11.839
<v Speaker 6>so I agree with Victoria, I hate. I hate Lexana

457
00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.279
<v Speaker 6>in season six. At the time when season six happened,

458
00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:20.039
<v Speaker 6>I really was super bored with that arc. And and

459
00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:22.759
<v Speaker 6>that's a lot for me because, like you know, growing

460
00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:25.359
<v Speaker 6>up with Smallville, like saying I was bored with something

461
00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:28.440
<v Speaker 6>was like blasphemous, So like I was. But I was

462
00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:30.720
<v Speaker 6>very bored with the arc of Lexana, and then I

463
00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:32.720
<v Speaker 6>started to like it as it turned into the whole,

464
00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:36.720
<v Speaker 6>like realizing how duplicitous and fed up Lex is, like

465
00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:38.799
<v Speaker 6>what he's doing to then I was like, Okay, that's

466
00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:40.920
<v Speaker 6>the lex Luthor of the comics, that's where it's going.

467
00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:41.400
<v Speaker 4>I like it.

468
00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:45.279
<v Speaker 6>But in the case of Lexmith, I just I agree

469
00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:46.960
<v Speaker 6>with you. It would be cool to see even more

470
00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:50.240
<v Speaker 6>of it. But I really liked it in Lexmis because

471
00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:55.000
<v Speaker 6>because it was to me, it felt like the most

472
00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.799
<v Speaker 6>genuine that you see Michael Rosenbaum with an actress, and

473
00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:03.319
<v Speaker 6>I mean romantically and the most genuine see Christian romantic,

474
00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.079
<v Speaker 6>even though of course you know we all love probably

475
00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:08.920
<v Speaker 6>Klada from season one or whatever, but like just the

476
00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.599
<v Speaker 6>two of him felt like a really like genuine.

477
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.359
<v Speaker 2>I like the season one distinction, very good match one.

478
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:21.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, but Rock I totally get you well, because

479
00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:24.519
<v Speaker 3>it's in this one. It's a different Lex. It's literally

480
00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:25.279
<v Speaker 3>a different.

481
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.240
<v Speaker 6>Lex, yeah, exactly.

482
00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:29.880
<v Speaker 4>And Lana feels like she's on drugs the whole time,

483
00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:30.279
<v Speaker 4>like she.

484
00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:32.400
<v Speaker 3>Is just happiest pregnant woman I've ever.

485
00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:37.880
<v Speaker 4>Right, she listens to all these stories and like, honey,

486
00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.079
<v Speaker 4>you tell me every year you'd listen to that whole

487
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:43.400
<v Speaker 4>thing with a smile, not an eye roll. Like, this

488
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:43.960
<v Speaker 4>is weird.

489
00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.759
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to hear of my take on this, I Lex.

490
00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:50.119
<v Speaker 2>It's weird because he's always kind of had a thing

491
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:52.240
<v Speaker 2>for Lona on certain levels, you know, even back in

492
00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:54.519
<v Speaker 2>like Nicodemus in season one it was some kind of

493
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:56.279
<v Speaker 2>like she was coming on to him and that. But

494
00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:58.519
<v Speaker 2>in the Whipped Cream Mom and all that kind of stuff.

495
00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.680
<v Speaker 6>To be fair on Lex, who winn't at that episode though?

496
00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:05.640
<v Speaker 2>But well, I mean she was fifteen and he was

497
00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:10.799
<v Speaker 2>like twenty two or something. So yeah, yeah, I think.

498
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:18.880
<v Speaker 4>He always feels older than he I mean all they

499
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.039
<v Speaker 4>all do. But yeah, the way they play his character.

500
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Were supposed to be five or six years older than Clark,

501
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:26.799
<v Speaker 2>so he's like twenty he's like twenty one, twenty two

502
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.319
<v Speaker 2>d and the Rose of Mom is like, you know,

503
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:31.960
<v Speaker 2>ten years older than that. But so it was willing, right,

504
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.200
<v Speaker 2>but the Lexana thing really didn't start properly until after this,

505
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:37.240
<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of like one of those things where

506
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like he kind of got it in his head from this,

507
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:41.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, oh, that was a great fantasy life

508
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.079
<v Speaker 2>I love with Lona. Let me pursue that in the

509
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:43.440
<v Speaker 2>real world.

510
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:46.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And it's it's interesting because, like you're right, it's

511
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:48.319
<v Speaker 5>like they kind of like really ramped it up after this,

512
00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.960
<v Speaker 5>but before even before this though, there's all these hints throughout,

513
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.680
<v Speaker 5>like you know, the first four seasons and especially you

514
00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:57.839
<v Speaker 5>know in season four during Onyx. However, if they were

515
00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.319
<v Speaker 5>ever gonna do Lexana, it should have it's been a

516
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:01.960
<v Speaker 5>one off and it should have just been this like

517
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.000
<v Speaker 5>and like an else world's thing. They should have never

518
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.400
<v Speaker 5>put it in the show proper, like if this is

519
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.279
<v Speaker 5>the if this was the first, yeah, if this was

520
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:10.960
<v Speaker 5>the first instance of it, they would have been actually shocking.

521
00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:13.599
<v Speaker 5>It would have been like, oh neat, and then we

522
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:15.279
<v Speaker 5>would have never seen it again and we wouldn't have

523
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.359
<v Speaker 5>cringe worthy you know, scenes to watch for you know,

524
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:20.640
<v Speaker 5>years to come after this.

525
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.319
<v Speaker 2>Seeing this episode after Elseworlds have really reminded me of

526
00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Steven mil waking up as Barry Allen. You know, he's

527
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.680
<v Speaker 2>with Iris and it's really awkward, and that reminded me

528
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.519
<v Speaker 2>of Rosenbaum here with the line he's like Lana, Dad,

529
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:34.079
<v Speaker 2>what's going on?

530
00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:34.240
<v Speaker 6>You know?

531
00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:36.680
<v Speaker 2>He like kisses head He's like whoa you know, So

532
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.119
<v Speaker 2>that kind of reminded me of that. And plus they

533
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.640
<v Speaker 2>have that goofy music like whatever they're doing, like.

534
00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:44.240
<v Speaker 4>Mark Snow is off the charge.

535
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.079
<v Speaker 5>No, it's it's the it's the Hallmark Channel Christmas movie music.

536
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.440
<v Speaker 5>That's exactly what that is.

537
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 6>It is.

538
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:51.960
<v Speaker 7>Also, can we talk about, like we've discussed how like

539
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.799
<v Speaker 7>happy like on Drugs Lana was. That was like also

540
00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.839
<v Speaker 7>the best behaved little baby in the world, like the little.

541
00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Son He's like dad hours, I'd be like, yeah, kids

542
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.039
<v Speaker 3>sound great. If like that's what they really are. Like,

543
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:06.359
<v Speaker 3>if that's what that was my experience with the child,

544
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:06.799
<v Speaker 3>I'd be.

545
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 8>Like, cool, they seem easy, no wonder, Yeah, even like

546
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.200
<v Speaker 8>Clark has Clark has that line too of like you've

547
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:16.960
<v Speaker 8>got a great son, and like part of me is like,

548
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:17.680
<v Speaker 8>that's weird to say.

549
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, let's talk about this for a minute. Lois

550
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:27.000
<v Speaker 2>is not in this episode. So it's implied, Okay, I

551
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.599
<v Speaker 2>mean it's really it's implied that Clark and Coli together.

552
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:31.680
<v Speaker 2>They're at the Christmas Tree place together'use I got her

553
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.160
<v Speaker 2>arm around her. They're both working the Daily Planet?

554
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:36.799
<v Speaker 4>Do they not say as much? I like watching it.

555
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:37.640
<v Speaker 4>I always assume that.

556
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:43.440
<v Speaker 2>The stuff, but it's it's there because they're going to

557
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 2>shop for Christmas Tree together. Right, they're together and they're

558
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.359
<v Speaker 2>not married or anything. There's no rings or anything like that.

559
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.200
<v Speaker 2>But I thought that was interesting. I want to live

560
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.960
<v Speaker 2>in that universe for Clark and cooling up together.

561
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:53.200
<v Speaker 5>Right.

562
00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>But here's here's a fan theory for you. So Clark

563
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.039
<v Speaker 2>got his powers back at the beginning of the season.

564
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>What they had exchange for somebody's life, you know, And

565
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:04.599
<v Speaker 2>so I guess Lois is the one who ended up

566
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.759
<v Speaker 2>dying in this in this future, right, because that had

567
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:08.480
<v Speaker 2>to be rectified, right, and that's why I.

568
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 4>Ended up four?

569
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Or or did she just shack up with Oliver Queen

570
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:19.000
<v Speaker 3>because like, is.

571
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 4>It a butterfly effect thing too?

572
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:20.920
<v Speaker 5>Here?

573
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.119
<v Speaker 4>Like Lex Luthor going good just changes anything in the

574
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:25.759
<v Speaker 4>DC universe around them.

575
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I guess so. Although, and let's talk about reckoning for

576
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 2>a second. Remember Lois like gets electrocuted or something and

577
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Clark saves her upstairs at the Talon. Had that not happened,

578
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 2>then maybe Jonathan wouldn't have died, you know what I'm saying.

579
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.960
<v Speaker 2>So Clark people forget that little moment of Clark saving somebody,

580
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>so we'll talk about butterfly flag and all that stuff. Anyway.

581
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 2>The real reason is Eric interaction was only a thirteen

582
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>episodes since season four, but it's interesting that she's nowhere

583
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 2>to be found. Also, I really would have liked if

584
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Clark was wearing glasses in the future, but for some reason,

585
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:52.920
<v Speaker 2>they decided to give those to Jonathan. So that's all

586
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I had to say about that.

587
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 5>Well, best opportunity, missed opportunity.

588
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 4>That does go to a theory that it's all on

589
00:27:58.720 --> 00:27:59.480
<v Speaker 4>Lex's head too.

590
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, Clark. Is he superman?

591
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 4>Is he not?

592
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 8>Right?

593
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, totally right, because this all could very well just

594
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 4>be like Lex's best guess at the future at this point.

595
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.519
<v Speaker 6>Well, and then the the the other theory is kind

596
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 6>of like like what you said that, Like what if

597
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:16.799
<v Speaker 6>Le's going good? Like does that change the whole DC universe?

598
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 6>Like if Lex is good, is there? Does Clark become

599
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.920
<v Speaker 6>superman like in Smallville universe or not? Or does he

600
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 6>or is he just Clark Kent doing good stuff?

601
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.200
<v Speaker 7>Would they do say that he is a reporter at

602
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:32.519
<v Speaker 7>the Daily Planet? And then, Zach, do you just want

603
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:35.400
<v Speaker 7>to take a moment about like finally seeing Chloe and

604
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:36.480
<v Speaker 7>Clark realize I.

605
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 3>Think that way?

606
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean that that's this is the closest

607
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>you're ever going to get, like basically like living this

608
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 2>life together. She's publishing a book, He's a reporter. I'm like,

609
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>this is the future. This is what's gonna happen, guys

610
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.119
<v Speaker 2>when Lois dies and Chloe takes her name. Okay, this

611
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 2>is all this is all predicting the future. See it's

612
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.039
<v Speaker 2>right here, where's she's gone? You know? So if you know,

613
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.359
<v Speaker 2>if this is if Reddit was around in two thousand

614
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>and five. The threads on this would be I mean

615
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.319
<v Speaker 2>they existed on krypton side, That's what it was. Krypton

616
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Side was the Reddit of the time. They were all

617
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>on the forums.

618
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, what is the clothes thing?

619
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 2>It's like nine hundred pages. I was like, oh my god,

620
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 2>that was a but see episodes like this, like see

621
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:23.519
<v Speaker 2>it's the Future Worst Lowest together right board.

622
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 5>You know.

623
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 6>Anyway, at the time, at the time when it aired,

624
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 6>I remember my theory, but it was totally wrong. But

625
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.200
<v Speaker 6>but I wrote fanfic kind of based around that. But

626
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.839
<v Speaker 6>like the theory was like in my head at the

627
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 6>time was like, oh, maybe what they're implying is like

628
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 6>if Lex didn't go bad, Chloe would still be alive.

629
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 6>And maybe what they're implying is Lex is going to

630
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.440
<v Speaker 6>kill her. That was my theory, you know, And I

631
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:55.440
<v Speaker 6>was like, oh, but that was what I predicted it. Oh,

632
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 6>maybe she's gonna die. And that's why Lark and lowis.

633
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 4>My favorite unresolved mystery. The whole show, I kept waiting

634
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 4>for her to die. They just knew at some in

635
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.160
<v Speaker 4>like a good way, and then it would project him forward.

636
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.279
<v Speaker 4>But you know, that's where it felt like they were

637
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 4>going It felt like it was going to be important.

638
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>We've never heard of any Chloe Sullivan and we're from

639
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the thirty first century. Does the Santa plot bring things down?

640
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Was that necessary? Like, I know we're kind of talking

641
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.279
<v Speaker 2>about like all the weirdness aside take out the fact

642
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>there's like magical stuff going on on both ends, Like

643
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.759
<v Speaker 2>is the fact that we have to waste time with

644
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Santa Claus?

645
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:29.200
<v Speaker 3>I hate it?

646
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, I hate it so much. It does slow

647
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 4>the episode down.

648
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.400
<v Speaker 7>I just feel like they do it they went two

649
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.880
<v Speaker 7>steps too far. First of all, I just think they

650
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:43.279
<v Speaker 7>should have had Clark delivering presence like having I thought

651
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.559
<v Speaker 7>it was fun that he was being Santa. Also because

652
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 7>I know what it's like to be on like the

653
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 7>low rung at work and like overcompensate to get people

654
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:55.079
<v Speaker 7>to take you seriously. So when Chloe was like, I doubled,

655
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.200
<v Speaker 7>I got all the presents and now I have six.

656
00:30:58.039 --> 00:30:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Hours to deliver them.

657
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 7>And also, you know what I freaking loved about this

658
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.519
<v Speaker 7>episode that Chloe actually used Clark for help instead of

659
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:07.839
<v Speaker 7>Clark just being like Chloe, look this up, Chloe, I

660
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 7>find this, Chloe.

661
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 5>That's true.

662
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.480
<v Speaker 3>I was like it really is an alternate universe.

663
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.319
<v Speaker 7>But I just like I thought it was really cute

664
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 7>that he was like delivering the presence. I was like, oh, okay,

665
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:23.000
<v Speaker 7>that's cute. But then the fact that the Santa of

666
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 7>it all, or even if it was like a drunk guy,

667
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Speaker 7>some drunk mal Santa, I was like, I can still

668
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:29.000
<v Speaker 7>do this.

669
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:30.000
<v Speaker 3>I can still do this.

670
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 7>And then when he was actually magic, I was like, oh, yeah.

671
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.960
<v Speaker 5>That's that's that's where they overstepped. And it was just like,

672
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.519
<v Speaker 5>you know, like a drunk mal Santa who was just

673
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 5>like kind of discouraged at Christmas time and Clark kind

674
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 5>of like inspires him that they were still good in

675
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 5>the world. He just goes on about his day. That

676
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 5>would have been fine, but like they just took it

677
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.279
<v Speaker 5>a step too far by having him actually be Santa

678
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 5>magically like wooshing all the all the stuff away, like

679
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.720
<v Speaker 5>that that was just a step too.

680
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Far, and that they talked about it so much.

681
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 7>Sorry, and then the fact that they freaking talked about it,

682
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:07.279
<v Speaker 7>and like was like, I think it really posed Sanna okay.

683
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.119
<v Speaker 4>And clear yep, I agree that was too much.

684
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:12.680
<v Speaker 2>There's an episode of swas On called Night of the meek,

685
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:14.519
<v Speaker 2>and it's about a mall Santa who's like down. I

686
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:16.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, he's an alcoholic. He gets his magic bag,

687
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>he gets people gifts, and then he becomes Santa at

688
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.319
<v Speaker 2>the end. Uh sort of. So anyway, check it out.

689
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I recommend it. And that's the kind of the vibe

690
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I got from that. But I agree she should have

691
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>just been like Superman giving people hope, you know, just

692
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>a normal guy. Although it's funny here Santa clausa they

693
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 2>bitch and they bitch and they bitch.

694
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:32.519
<v Speaker 5>I know.

695
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.319
<v Speaker 4>I like that he was like drunk Santa Claus first,

696
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 4>and then when he shows up with the Daily Planet later,

697
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.000
<v Speaker 4>it's like a little more cleaned up. It felt like,

698
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, they were a little more coff Santa.

699
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 5>He got he got magic sober.

700
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, the magic you know, the magic dirt fell away.

701
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.359
<v Speaker 6>I always I always get a creepy, creepy vibe from

702
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 6>that from that scene, even though it's like, I know

703
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.799
<v Speaker 6>he's supposed to be saying, but just him visiting Chloe

704
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 6>in the Daily Planet all at night, Yeah, like chuckling

705
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.799
<v Speaker 6>like Lionel like on this Sullivan and I was like, oh,

706
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 6>kind of creepy.

707
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I had a thought now that that scene inspired him,

708
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.079
<v Speaker 2>like you need like a like some kind of serial

709
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.119
<v Speaker 2>killer movie or guys, just like Santa visits people on

710
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Christmas even like vulnerable, Like this is a serial killer

711
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>vibe from this guy. So you wanted to be a

712
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 2>meteor free Victoria. This is where this leads. Okay, this

713
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>is where this leads.

714
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.839
<v Speaker 6>It's a perfect setup. Are we are we all of

715
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.039
<v Speaker 6>that same age? Where we or is this just me

716
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 6>as a kid? Did you guys all see that like

717
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.200
<v Speaker 6>Dean Koon's like book with a creepy Santa, like when

718
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:31.279
<v Speaker 6>like this.

719
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 5>I don't remember that, but just thinking about this, like

720
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 5>watching a couple of years kringle By directed by Jordan

721
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 5>Peele is gonna come out and it's gonna be this.

722
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 4>Chloe's reaction when Santa shows up though, like she does

723
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 4>like the cute little like Santa the alpha game to

724
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:50.279
<v Speaker 4>way and then gets to it like why are you here?

725
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:51.559
<v Speaker 6>Keeps up?

726
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.160
<v Speaker 4>Now you're just this strange man? What's going on?

727
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:56.759
<v Speaker 5>Now?

728
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm reaching for my mace and I'm two seconds away from.

729
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, watching bathroom I thought you were gonna see

730
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>like her look out the window and then see like

731
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 2>some reindeer or something when it's.

732
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 5>Her jingles or hell, jingle bells or anything. But we

733
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.280
<v Speaker 5>didn't hear any Like, we didn't hear any bells or

734
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 5>like or anything or hoofs. Nothing.

735
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:13.880
<v Speaker 4>It was just no fl.

736
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Flight, no tights, the roles of Manna's not exempt, no.

737
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.280
<v Speaker 2>No one talking about the Christmas party at the end

738
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Speaker 2>of the can's the real one? Right? What is Lana wearing?

739
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>It's snowy outside and actually, yeah, well the both of them,

740
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.280
<v Speaker 2>but especially reind me of for season four clothes.

741
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 7>Wait, can I can I be like, can I be

742
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.880
<v Speaker 7>thirsty for a second and like offer the female perspective here?

743
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:38.679
<v Speaker 2>Please?

744
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:41.840
<v Speaker 3>So if I was like if that was my boyfriend,

745
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 3>I would be like, oh, I'm so cold, like with

746
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 3>your big strong arm ORMs around me. So I like

747
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.800
<v Speaker 3>totally got that move, like.

748
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Respect fair enough, I understood.

749
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:53.679
<v Speaker 3>Because I noticed that too.

750
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 4>Was the only one comfortable on set too.

751
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 2>No, it just reminded me of those season four outfits

752
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 2>she's wearing. She had is this tattoo she doesn't want

753
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>anyone to see? Yet she continues to wear these clothes

754
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:04.840
<v Speaker 2>that show offer tattoos.

755
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 4>She wants no one right, so let me wear backless

756
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:07.840
<v Speaker 4>clothes for halving up.

757
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.239
<v Speaker 6>Me and my mom always uh, because you know, we

758
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.800
<v Speaker 6>were We're always the best Small Bill friends, you know.

759
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.000
<v Speaker 6>She she's going to introduce me to the show as

760
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 6>a as a kid growing up, and so we'd always

761
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 6>watch it and we'd always make fun of that and

762
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Speaker 6>season a lot of it. Oh you saw my tattoo?

763
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:26.599
<v Speaker 6>And yeah, you're.

764
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Wearing a crop top like.

765
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:33.760
<v Speaker 4>You literally just got out of the shower. I saw

766
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 4>the tattoo.

767
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that reminds me, though, She says at the first

768
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>scene with her and Clark, she's like, usually just me

769
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>and Nell for Christmas, really, because I haven't seen Nell

770
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>in like three years.

771
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 6>Off Screenville act off screen.

772
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, say Christmas stuff. Thank you for giving me a

773
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 2>real Christmas. Your aunt raised you. Your parents are dead,

774
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:59.639
<v Speaker 2>show some respect. We're seninry small when you need them nowhere,

775
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>all right, where's Koe's dad? All right? Coe's all her

776
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 2>dad has. And she's like, Oh, I forget it, dad,

777
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm working double shift to the Daily Planet. These are

778
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 2>terrible families, and Small Family was bad. Everyone is terrible

779
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.599
<v Speaker 2>other than the kids. Speaking of family, though Lex named

780
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.480
<v Speaker 2>they named their daughter Lily for Lilyana na his son Alexander,

781
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 2>like Alexander Luther the second Like okay, like I thought

782
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.679
<v Speaker 2>you'd get away from those kinds of names, lex but anyway, Yeah,

783
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 2>it was cute to see him mess with like the

784
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 2>chair like that.

785
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.360
<v Speaker 3>That was a great That was a great moment.

786
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.000
<v Speaker 7>But then I was also like I was just on

787
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.840
<v Speaker 7>the ride of the fantasy because if I was literally

788
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 7>about to pop and my husband couldn't do the freaking

789
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 7>car seat, I would be like, I'm reevaluating a lot

790
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 7>of decisions.

791
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 3>But no, it was. It was really perfect.

792
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.280
<v Speaker 7>That was such a great moment and done by both

793
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 7>of them where he was like, oh no, like I

794
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.079
<v Speaker 7>have to Yeah.

795
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:03.679
<v Speaker 6>I feel like that was a Michael Rosenbaum like messing

796
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 6>around with the kid behind the scenes luper.

797
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.320
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah for sure, Yeah, for sure. I have a

798
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 5>friend of mine like who is terrible with it. He

799
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.480
<v Speaker 5>just refuses to do it, like he has a kid,

800
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 5>but like he refuses to like install it so just

801
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.119
<v Speaker 5>permanently in this car, like just set up like he

802
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 5>hasn't got rid of it. It's just like it's hilarious.

803
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Something else we talk about is Lionel. I was just

804
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna say, yeah, so why don't you guys take it

805
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 2>away talk some lionel.

806
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 4>I think this is some of the coolest line will

807
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.599
<v Speaker 4>ever get. Like this is so like top notch, like

808
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 4>very fairy tale. The way he's shot, but like it

809
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.639
<v Speaker 4>reminded me of like mister Potter and it's a wonderful life.

810
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.559
<v Speaker 4>And the way his hair is kind of slicked back,

811
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 4>it's a little longer. It's just like it's an odd

812
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 4>way to see him, but also very true too. And

813
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.800
<v Speaker 4>just obviously he's as cold as he's ever been in

814
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 4>this scene. I love this line.

815
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 6>I agree. It was like when you see him in

816
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 6>that moment, it was so like you said, fairy tale esque,

817
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 6>is like way more to the point, he's not playing around.

818
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.239
<v Speaker 6>He's not you know, being like I canted to make

819
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.480
<v Speaker 6>you stronger. How you're either my son, he's just like no,

820
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.039
<v Speaker 6>like nobs, I'm gonna let your wife die boom, like

821
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 6>just so cold, so evil and and and it made

822
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 6>me wonder if this is a true version of events

823
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.079
<v Speaker 6>of how things could go in the future if Lex

824
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:28.119
<v Speaker 6>had stayed good. Does that mean that like because Lex

825
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.280
<v Speaker 6>and Lioneler are so yin and yang at the opposite

826
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 6>ends of the spectrum all the time. Does that mean

827
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.239
<v Speaker 6>if Lex stayed good, that Lionel would have stayed bad

828
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 6>and that would have been and he maybe wouldn't have

829
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:42.440
<v Speaker 6>made the transformation into good, perhaps because they always have

830
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 6>to be on opposite end of the spectrum. I don't know.

831
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 3>I think that's a great point.

832
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 7>I also think it was just so delicious both in

833
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 7>the quote unquote real world and are in the fantasy

834
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.440
<v Speaker 7>to see Lionel and then John Glover just so perfectly

835
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:03.440
<v Speaker 7>play grappling in both situations with these life and death stakes,

836
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 7>and like since the stakes are so high, I think

837
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 7>it was just like I don't know why I'm making

838
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 7>it about food, but it was like it was like

839
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.519
<v Speaker 7>this is like a feast for both of them as actors,

840
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.079
<v Speaker 7>and like they like John Glover just always kills it

841
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:17.679
<v Speaker 7>and like yeah, because you you.

842
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:22.639
<v Speaker 3>Under like you get kind of where he's got coming from, right, Yeah.

843
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.519
<v Speaker 7>And the Wheel version where he's like operate and he's

844
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 7>like and it's kind of like what Lex is saying.

845
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.239
<v Speaker 7>He's like, I'm just gonna have the resources. So if

846
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 7>this is something like this does happen.

847
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 3>I can fix it.

848
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.840
<v Speaker 7>Like Lionel kind of does that he's like, no, I'm

849
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:36.559
<v Speaker 7>airlifting my son to like the best hospital, and we're

850
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.000
<v Speaker 7>gonna take the chance. And you know, because that's Lionel

851
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 7>that he's also like Linel like luthers don't do wheelchairs,

852
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 7>but also like you can't see like the colonel of

853
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 7>the father like fighting to like save his son. And

854
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.280
<v Speaker 7>then yeah, and then like in Fantasyland, and I love

855
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 7>how you say it is because it is very fairy

856
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.559
<v Speaker 7>to like, and I love how that.

857
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.119
<v Speaker 3>That confrontation scene between them is lit. It's like so

858
00:39:58.360 --> 00:39:59.880
<v Speaker 3>stark and intent.

859
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.000
<v Speaker 7>You see him just be like totally heartless, and it's

860
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:07.039
<v Speaker 7>just it's such an interesting because we've seen this dynamic before,

861
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.039
<v Speaker 7>but to see this like shade of it and to

862
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 7>see this this like die like that dialect's not the

863
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:14.440
<v Speaker 7>right word, but to see this like little fracture of

864
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.960
<v Speaker 7>it was was really great and heartbreaking.

865
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, excellent points about three of you'all. And now we're

866
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna make some comical observations. Yes, one, he gets shot

867
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 2>in Grandville, Okay, so they don't take him to a

868
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Granville hospital or find a metropolis to take him to

869
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Smallville general. It's like, no, no, he should have been

870
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:37.559
<v Speaker 2>air flighted in Metropolis immediately, all right, immediately the second

871
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.920
<v Speaker 2>of all, like Lion'll be like, no, no, my son

872
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:42.159
<v Speaker 2>is going to walk like that's so Linyl because he's

873
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.119
<v Speaker 2>like he's a shame of him because he's bald, much

874
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:45.480
<v Speaker 2>less than a wheel you know, if he was in

875
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:46.079
<v Speaker 2>a wheelchair.

876
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no way, I'm wheeling this kid around.

877
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And then ironically, when if you go to Labyrinth in

878
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.519
<v Speaker 2>season six where Clark has his like whole fantasy headland,

879
00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Lex is in a wheelchair, his leg's been amputated from

880
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.639
<v Speaker 2>the crocks, and you have Clark, So that's interesting. And

881
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>then finally, why does Lionel not have a house? Like

882
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I understand they're on a budget and they can't, but

883
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.519
<v Speaker 2>he's why is seeing Luther Mansion all right? Which, by

884
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the way, I got a good look at that l

885
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:17.039
<v Speaker 2>There was no Veritas symbol there, all right, there it

886
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:18.039
<v Speaker 2>is the one.

887
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.760
<v Speaker 5>Well see it's interesting, like you know, Lionel sitting there,

888
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.320
<v Speaker 5>like I mean, I think it's just to Lionel in

889
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 5>the Luther Mansion just shows how powerful he is in

890
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.159
<v Speaker 5>contrast to Lex in the fantasy world. And it's it's interesting,

891
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.320
<v Speaker 5>y'all keep using like the term like fantasy work because

892
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.360
<v Speaker 5>it is, and to me, it's it's very a Christmas

893
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 5>Carol like because that role at that moment, Lionel is

894
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.559
<v Speaker 5>definitely is like is like Scrooge and Lex coming to

895
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.840
<v Speaker 5>see him asking for help is is Marley asking for

896
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 5>that day off right, And he's like he just doesn't

897
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 5>get it and so and so he just it just

898
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.840
<v Speaker 5>kind of it's accentuates how powerfully is with how weak

899
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.400
<v Speaker 5>that Lex is. But then I think the most telling

900
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.840
<v Speaker 5>line that Lionel says in there is, uh, he's like

901
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.599
<v Speaker 5>grand children. He's like, I don't even have a son,

902
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.199
<v Speaker 5>and it's just like and up until that point, you like, Lionel,

903
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 5>as bad as he was to Lex, like, he's still

904
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 5>so vain and arrogant that he needs like that lineage

905
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.559
<v Speaker 5>he needs. He has to tolerate Lex because the Luther

906
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 5>name is very important to him. And then when you

907
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.320
<v Speaker 5>go to reality, Lionel, even though he probably hates his son,

908
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:21.440
<v Speaker 5>is doing all this still so we can make sure

909
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 5>that he walks and that he's alive, so that way

910
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 5>he can carry that on. Like even though you know

911
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.039
<v Speaker 5>Lex didn't appreciate it, Lionel knew it had to be

912
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.639
<v Speaker 5>done for that reason, not for Lex's health, but for

913
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 5>his benefit. So it's interesting to see the two Lionels, like,

914
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:35.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, back to back almost in these scenes.

915
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 4>You're talking about the two Lexes, like, there's also the

916
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.320
<v Speaker 4>similarities between the two Luthers here, Like they're both making

917
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 4>I'm talking real world Lex and real world Lionel here

918
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:51.000
<v Speaker 4>are both making these key life choices, decisions without really

919
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:54.599
<v Speaker 4>much thought beyond no, I'm a Luther, this is how

920
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 4>I want it. I'm not compromising on anything here, And

921
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:00.119
<v Speaker 4>they're both making the same mistake, just proving the fact

922
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 4>that Lex is a Luthor.

923
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.679
<v Speaker 6>That's a really good point. And it's also interestingly like

924
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 6>parallel to season one or no wait, season two when

925
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 6>Lex had to make that choice for Lionel in the

926
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 6>hospital blind right, and it was like, yeah, I.

927
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Thought that as well. That was some nice symmetry there is.

928
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:18.760
<v Speaker 4>That's a good.

929
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:21.199
<v Speaker 5>And of course.

930
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 6>We both would have been wrong.

931
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really I did. I did really like the

932
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:32.679
<v Speaker 2>very good this is this is the line over here, right,

933
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 2>I really did like the last team in from Lex

934
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 2>and Lionel was like, how dare you play god with

935
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:39.920
<v Speaker 2>my life? My good? I'm glad Lex found out that

936
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Lionel was going to let him die, Like he didn't

937
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:43.400
<v Speaker 2>even have an answer. He was like, what, what, how

938
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.480
<v Speaker 2>would you justified it if I had not lived? And

939
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 2>I kind of tries to like back away and like

940
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:48.880
<v Speaker 2>scrabs him and looks at him in the eye. I'm like,

941
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, every single scene in between the two of

942
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.400
<v Speaker 2>them is so awesome. So I don't know what more

943
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>can you say?

944
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.920
<v Speaker 4>I wonder what, like do we have any did they

945
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.920
<v Speaker 4>ever talk either of them about those scenes where they

946
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:02.679
<v Speaker 4>do have to be that intense because like you know,

947
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:05.559
<v Speaker 4>we've all seen the bloopers where like they're really pally

948
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.800
<v Speaker 4>and jokey with each other when they're just doing like

949
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 4>let's drink and figure out who has the power in

950
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:12.800
<v Speaker 4>this scene stuff. But like in these intense moments, like

951
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.519
<v Speaker 4>you can tell like these guys must get along and

952
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.960
<v Speaker 4>like trust each other quite a lot here because they

953
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:20.760
<v Speaker 4>get to you know, really get up with their emotions.

954
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:21.599
<v Speaker 6>Like that's a great well.

955
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I know they always they always talked about like the

956
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.119
<v Speaker 2>art of touching, like John Glover is gonna go like

957
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:27.880
<v Speaker 2>just like putting a hand on your shoulder, you know,

958
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.039
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing that's a kind of Rosamom picked

959
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 2>it up from him, and they're all just trying to

960
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.440
<v Speaker 2>out personal space invade each other. Yeah, I try to

961
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 2>make it not sound that way, thank you, but but yeah, no,

962
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I that's what's great about the show, and they really

963
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 2>do make the show.

964
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:44.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

965
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Finally, last point here, Lexmus stupid title or brilliant title?

966
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 6>I thought it was brilliant. I thought I thought it

967
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.079
<v Speaker 6>was really cute and like, weirdly not a Smallville title.

968
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.639
<v Speaker 6>But that's why I like it. Like it's just it's

969
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.760
<v Speaker 6>not like it's a passive vortex are very right, like

970
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 6>Yule Tide slave.

971
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 5>Well, and also it tells you everything you need to

972
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.239
<v Speaker 5>know about the episode. It's a Christmas special and it's

973
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.440
<v Speaker 5>centered around Lex, so I mean and obviously for like honestly,

974
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 5>for a small vite Christmas episode, what else were you

975
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:23.480
<v Speaker 5>gonna call it?

976
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:28.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you'll tired, you'll tie tonight.

977
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Speaker 3>So we get Al Golf and Miles Miller on the phone.

978
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 4>Guys, we found the one mistake.

979
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 5>This see I'm gonna I'm gonna roll with the dial, all.

980
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Right, guys. Well, a lot of fun. Any final thoughts here?

981
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Anything you just were dying to mention that we didn't

982
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 2>mention griff Guys. Griff Griffer goes on to play a

983
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Kryptonian in season nine and a police and a police

984
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Speaker 2>captain on Arrow for like at least the first four

985
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:02.039
<v Speaker 2>or five years.

986
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:05.880
<v Speaker 9>So as a jaded industry person, you gotta love a

987
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 9>local Vancouver actor. You gotta love a local that you

988
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:11.480
<v Speaker 9>can just hire and not have to pay for and

989
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:12.679
<v Speaker 9>get that tax to be banned on.

990
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 2>What about you, Trix, what are your final thoughts?

991
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 4>I think it's my favorite Superman Christmas Eve thing, or

992
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 4>at least the most rewatched for me as far as

993
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.519
<v Speaker 4>like Christmas tradition stuff.

994
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Even more than the Howie Mandel Mister Mix's FLICA.

995
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Speaker 4>I marketly love that Lowis and Clark episode. I hate

996
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:33.639
<v Speaker 4>the one that Dean Kine wrote.

997
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>With the Jefferson.

998
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.800
<v Speaker 4>I really like what is it called Yes? With the Jefferson.

999
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 4>I really like comfort and joy from the animated stuff.

1000
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 5>I watch Comfort Enjoy every Christmas Eve. It's part of

1001
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.639
<v Speaker 5>my tradition, Like I watched that before I go to

1002
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:46.599
<v Speaker 5>bed on Christmas Eve.

1003
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 4>This is dark Christmas stuff for me. Like, I really

1004
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 4>liked this episode. I think it's my favorite, my favorite

1005
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 4>Superman Christmas thing, So gold Star.

1006
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>What about you?

1007
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:58.679
<v Speaker 6>Rocca totally agreed. I think it's one of my Christmas specials.

1008
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.159
<v Speaker 6>I guess I go to it every every year, me

1009
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:04.519
<v Speaker 6>and my mom watch rewatch the episode. It's a Christmas tradition.

1010
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:07.719
<v Speaker 6>Always takes me back to seeing it when I was

1011
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 6>way back in high school, back in the day. I

1012
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 6>just thought it was incredibly well written, well directed, really beautiful.

1013
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.039
<v Speaker 6>The Santas stuff is a little bit much, but it

1014
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.039
<v Speaker 6>never really bothered me, just because it was in this

1015
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.679
<v Speaker 6>context of this weird one off episode. So I just

1016
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:24.800
<v Speaker 6>thought of that stuff was just kind of funny, but

1017
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.280
<v Speaker 6>like the whole Lex stuff was really interesting. Oh and

1018
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 6>I just want to say, and on the Lex on

1019
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.239
<v Speaker 6>a note, we were all joking about how the hell

1020
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 6>did that happen. I always point that out when when

1021
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.480
<v Speaker 6>people complain in later seasons that Clark and Lex became

1022
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 6>enemies over like a relationship, and as like nah, dude,

1023
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.719
<v Speaker 6>like look at Lexmiths. They would have been friends if

1024
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:44.679
<v Speaker 6>Lex was a good guy when he started going out

1025
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.159
<v Speaker 6>with on it. Wow, he's an evil bastard when he

1026
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:48.239
<v Speaker 6>does Wow.

1027
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, interesting interesting for me. The standout thing, like weird

1028
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:57.039
<v Speaker 5>extra thing from this episode. It was going to be

1029
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:58.880
<v Speaker 5>griff but Victoria, you took that one. But there is

1030
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.039
<v Speaker 5>all good. It's because there is another thing that happens

1031
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 5>that like that caught my eye really quickly in the episode,

1032
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.360
<v Speaker 5>and it happens at the very beginning, and the two

1033
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:11.360
<v Speaker 5>gang bangers that assault Lex, right, the dude that like

1034
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:13.840
<v Speaker 5>initially gets his attention put and holds me at gunpoint

1035
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.400
<v Speaker 5>was a power ranger. That's just like, are you serious?

1036
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:20.280
<v Speaker 5>It gets crazy, but like Hora Vargas, Uh, he's been

1037
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 5>at a bunch of stuff, but like he was one

1038
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.119
<v Speaker 5>of the New Zealand Rangers around that time. This is

1039
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:27.679
<v Speaker 5>like right in his little hat. He hasn't done anything

1040
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.639
<v Speaker 5>really else. He's done Smallville, a few bit parts on

1041
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:33.840
<v Speaker 5>like uh, falling Skies and that. Yeah, this is all

1042
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 5>he's done. Uh looked. I looked him up because I

1043
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:37.599
<v Speaker 5>was like, this guy looks really familiar, and then I

1044
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.079
<v Speaker 5>saw it. I was like, you've got to be kidding me.

1045
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Why do they shoot Lex in the back. It's a

1046
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.840
<v Speaker 2>little excessive. He was he was gonna give him his watch,

1047
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, he missed opportunity. I thought they were gonna

1048
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 2>like show it. It was gonna be the watch that

1049
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.960
<v Speaker 2>his mom gave him from ship. That's why he doesn't

1050
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.760
<v Speaker 2>give it all. They didn't do that. He just got

1051
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 2>shot for no reason.

1052
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.840
<v Speaker 4>That would have been cool. Also that that little alley

1053
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.840
<v Speaker 4>where they meet real quick, You're like underground there, that's

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<v Speaker 4>totally the Luther Court tunnels, right.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell you doing here?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>It was one of those like I had to come

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<v Speaker 4>all the way down here to this place I own

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<v Speaker 4>to exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>My last favorite, favorite little thing that I that I

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<v Speaker 2>know some an episode is when Clark is doing his

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<v Speaker 2>Santa thing and he sees the milking cookies and he

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<v Speaker 2>has some. I thought that was great. That was a

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<v Speaker 2>great little moment.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm the new and improved version, the new improved version.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I indeed, you are.

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<v Speaker 6>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 10>Smallville the complete fifth season.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't ask for a world that needs heroes, but

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<v Speaker 3>the truth is we do.

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<v Speaker 10>Buying it on DVD September twelve, That's.

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<v Speaker 4>What I've always wanted.

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<v Speaker 10>Includes all new behind the scenes on the making of

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<v Speaker 10>the one hundredth episode.

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<v Speaker 4>When I'm about to show you may change the way

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<v Speaker 4>to share.

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<v Speaker 10>About me, plus unhaired scenes. It convinced me commentaries and more.

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<v Speaker 4>Customers like it that way, I'll bring for their buck.

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<v Speaker 4>We two did, was is it you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are going to touch the lives?

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<v Speaker 4>But so many pefore it's to day Just stay super bro.

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<v Speaker 10>Smallville the complete fifth season. Look for all new episodes

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<v Speaker 10>Thursdays at eight seventh Central only on the CW.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, I hope all y'all enjoyed our discussion about

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<v Speaker 2>Lexmis and despite us being maybe a little too critical

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<v Speaker 2>of Sanna being Cannon on Earth one sixty seven, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we all appreciated what this episode said, understand why

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<v Speaker 2>resonated with so many people, and as Lance probably more

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<v Speaker 2>than all of us, really gravitated towards It's a Christmas special,

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<v Speaker 2>It is a Hallmark movie, it is a holiday movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It has that spirit of Christmas to it. Which another

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<v Speaker 2>thing I want to call out when they're in these

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<v Speaker 2>top ten episodes is what a banger of a song

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Charles spirit of Christmas am to me and I

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<v Speaker 2>know to a lot of you. The popular music they

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<v Speaker 2>chose to put in episodes of Smallville was such a

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<v Speaker 2>crucial component to its success and our connection to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and just part of that secret sauce that made Smallville

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<v Speaker 2>so great. So hey, number ten episode as one of

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<v Speaker 2>those Ray Charles Spirit of Christmas, And yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've really come to enjoy this episode more and come

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<v Speaker 2>around to it over the years, because again I missed

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<v Speaker 2>it in first run, so I'd seen it less than

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the other ones and didn't have that

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<v Speaker 2>nostalgic attachment to it. And that's what's so much of

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<v Speaker 2>this love for this show is really thinking back to

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<v Speaker 2>where you were when you first saw it and where

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<v Speaker 2>you were in life even more so, and those memories.

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<v Speaker 2>And no, I really do put it up there with

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<v Speaker 2>one of these great you know DC Comics Christmas specials,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, like we talked about especially Lance again

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Animated Universe, the DCAU, there are Christmas episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>His traditions watching those Batman returns is probably mine. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's a whole different shade of a Christmas special. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel had its Christmas special and for a show that

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<v Speaker 2>ran ten years, and honestly is kind of surprising they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do Christmas more. You know, thinking about a show

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<v Speaker 2>at this point in time, they probably thought they were

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go five years, so they said, well, we better

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<v Speaker 2>do that Christmas episode, because they did. They do a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of Thanksgiving esque episodes, or at least episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>happen around a Thanksgiving dinner table at some point. They

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<v Speaker 2>do really just the one Halloween episode. They do the

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<v Speaker 2>two Valentine's Day episodes, and you know they never did

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Saint Patrick's Day or what July fourth is

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<v Speaker 2>like in the summer, so they really can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting to see which which holidays they gravitated

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<v Speaker 2>towards doing and how many times. And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas episode. So again, hope you guys enjoyed our conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned next week to find out which episode is

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<v Speaker 2>the number nine episode of Smallville as voted by you

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<v Speaker 2>the listeners, and until then, Always hold on To Smallville.

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