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<v Speaker 1>All right, we are back and joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Now our second senator from the great state of Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Michael Bennett, has stopped by, and Senator, are you speaking?

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<v Speaker 2>I asked John Hickenloop or your cohort if he was speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, not this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever had the opportunity to.

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<v Speaker 3>Speak any And I'm not speaking at this one either.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure they found better people, but well, they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Telling us, so I'm having to ask, and then they're

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<v Speaker 2>not giving us the scoop until very late in the evening,

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<v Speaker 2>same as the RNC, I might point out. So I

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<v Speaker 2>want to ask you. You were the first Senator to

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<v Speaker 2>say Joe Biden can't win.

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<v Speaker 1>How difficult was that for you?

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<v Speaker 2>And what went into that decision to publicly say what

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<v Speaker 2>we were all thinking it was?

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<v Speaker 3>It was difficult. It's not easy to go out there

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<v Speaker 3>and on a limb like that. But my assessment was

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<v Speaker 3>that there was no way he was going to win.

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<v Speaker 3>My assessment was that the Democrats were going to lose

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<v Speaker 3>the election in a landslide, that we were going to

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<v Speaker 3>lose the Senate, that we were going to.

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<v Speaker 4>Lose the House.

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel really strongly about the direction of our country,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think all of us that care about it,

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<v Speaker 3>we might have different points of view about it and

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<v Speaker 3>what direction it should go, but I believe this is

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<v Speaker 3>a moral question, you know, an important moral question about

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<v Speaker 3>what the future of our country looks like. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I had said in a private meeting that I believed

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<v Speaker 3>that the president was going to lose, and it leaked

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<v Speaker 3>and CNN invited me to come on, and they said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we would say what you said in private,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, of course I will, because I wasn't,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, trying to keep it a secret. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was important to say. And I mostly met the

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<v Speaker 3>test of my three daughters, which is, you know, their

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<v Speaker 3>view of the world is if you see something that's true,

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<v Speaker 3>you ought to say it's true, even if it's hard.

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<v Speaker 3>And the first day I felt, you know, it was rough,

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<v Speaker 3>and after that I felt like I'd satisfied their test.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it certainly a sentence snowball barreling down the hill.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, did you expect that? I mean, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you weren't trying to depose or dethrone the sitting president,

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, did you imagine that a few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>later we would be talking about Canada, Kamala.

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<v Speaker 3>Harris, I didn't know what was going to happen. What

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<v Speaker 3>I was asking for at that moment was for President

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<v Speaker 3>Biden to evaluate the question, because he was the one

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<v Speaker 3>to make the decision. Nobody else could make the decision.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we had meetings as we did, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with the Senate Democratic Caucus and the President's folks, and

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<v Speaker 3>I got up to speak, one of the things I

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<v Speaker 3>said to them was, we're asking the president to do

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<v Speaker 3>something no other president has ever done. We are asking

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<v Speaker 3>you his guys to have a conversation with him that

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<v Speaker 3>nobody will ever No one in our in this room

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<v Speaker 3>is ever going to have the kind of conversation we're

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<v Speaker 3>asking you to have with him.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how serious this is.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think much to President Biden's credit, he decided

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<v Speaker 3>that the country he was going to put the country's

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<v Speaker 3>interests ahead of his political ambitions and his interests.

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<v Speaker 4>That's very rare. I mean, going back.

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<v Speaker 3>To Roman times, it's hard to find elected leaders that

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<v Speaker 3>have been willing to do with Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>The th thank.

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<v Speaker 3>Eides of March is what you're talking about at the

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<v Speaker 3>Julius Caesar's end, and thank God that's not the case,

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<v Speaker 3>but it has been really interesting. If you asked, could

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine we would be here, I guess I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what was going to happen. And I think what

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<v Speaker 3>has happened is there is a in this hall, in

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<v Speaker 3>the Democratic Convention, we have coalesced around this ticket where

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<v Speaker 3>there is no division, there.

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<v Speaker 4>Is tremendous excitement.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I believe is that the American people broadly

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<v Speaker 3>want to turn the page on this politics of division.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they want to turn the page on the

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<v Speaker 3>Biden administration. I think they want to turn the page

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<v Speaker 3>even more so on Donald Trump. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 3>want Donald Trump to come back. And I think that

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<v Speaker 3>augus very well for Donald Trump being defeated in the

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<v Speaker 3>fall and Democrats winning the presidency.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>A question about Vice President Harris and her relationship to

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<v Speaker 2>the Biden campaign. What's been striking to me over the

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<v Speaker 2>last few nights about speeches is, in some ways it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like the speeches have been running against the current

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<v Speaker 2>administration a little bit. I mean, there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of talk about how people are struggling right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>these are all things that have happened under the watch

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<v Speaker 2>of the current president. Is that is that a difficult

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<v Speaker 2>sort of needle to thread? I mean, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>say I can make things better if you're already part

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<v Speaker 2>of the adminison.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad you asked me that question, because when

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<v Speaker 3>I look at this, you hear a lot of talk

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<v Speaker 3>in you know, democratic circles about how Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 3>a threat to our democracy.

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<v Speaker 4>And I actually believe that. I believe that is true.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think he's I think of him much more

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<v Speaker 3>as a symptom of our problems than the cause of

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<v Speaker 3>our problems. I think the cause of our problems are

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<v Speaker 3>that if you look at the American economy today, the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom fifty percent of Americans have less wealth today than

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<v Speaker 3>they had when Ronald Reagan was president. The bottom fifty

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<v Speaker 3>percent of Americans own two percent of America's wealth and

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<v Speaker 3>the top ten percent of Americans own seventy five percent

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<v Speaker 3>of americans wealth. That's happened during democratic administrations and Republican administrations.

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<v Speaker 4>It's happened over forty years.

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<v Speaker 3>And you want to see a threat to democracy, it's

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<v Speaker 3>when people lose a sense of economic opportunity for themselves

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<v Speaker 3>and for their families. Think about I mean this, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is not a Bolshevik statement about.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're going to say a different B word right there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Wow, no, crazy, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Will say, but I feel that I do feel that

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<v Speaker 3>way about it because when you lose a sense of

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<v Speaker 3>upward mobility, when you lose a sense of opportunity, When

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<v Speaker 3>when when the economy grows and the only folks that

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<v Speaker 3>benefit are the wealthiest people, which is what's been happening

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<v Speaker 3>for the last forty years in America. That is when

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<v Speaker 3>you lose a democracy because somebody shows up and says,

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<v Speaker 3>I alone can fix it. You don't need a democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you should put a strong man in office

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<v Speaker 3>and expect the world to be corrupt and bankrupt. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't, you're kind of a sucker. That's not

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<v Speaker 3>the way I see the world. I want us to

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<v Speaker 3>build a capitalist economy again in America that when it grows, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Grows for everybody where.

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<v Speaker 3>The greatest invention besides democracy, this country has ever been

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<v Speaker 3>responsible for, I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Modern democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Besides that is our middle class, and our middle class

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<v Speaker 3>has been shattered. So that's not something that happened during

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<v Speaker 3>the Biden administration. That's something that has happened since Ronald

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<v Speaker 3>Reagan began his trickle down experiment. That has happened since

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen eighties when we decided to outsource everything to

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<v Speaker 3>Southeast Asia to China. That has happened since we made

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<v Speaker 3>higher education impossible for people to afford. It's happened since

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<v Speaker 3>kids graduating with a high school diploma no longer could

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<v Speaker 3>the minimum wage in our economy. It's happened since families

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<v Speaker 3>could not afford childcare so they can stay at work.

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<v Speaker 3>And it happens when you've got a healthcare system that's

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<v Speaker 3>costing our country twice as much as any other industrialized

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<v Speaker 3>country in the world, and yet we alone are paying

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<v Speaker 3>the highest prices in the world for drugs. We alone

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<v Speaker 3>have no ready access to mental health care. We have

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<v Speaker 3>a mental health epidemic in Colorado right now among young

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<v Speaker 4>Rural Colorado and urban Colorado.

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<v Speaker 3>We do not have a healthcare system that can help

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<v Speaker 3>parents find help for their kids. So I'm not saying nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying is saying that Kamala Harris is the solution

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<v Speaker 3>to all of that, or that the Democratic Party is

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<v Speaker 3>the solution to all that I think actually the test

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<v Speaker 3>is for our generation. The question is are we willing

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<v Speaker 3>to be the first generation of Americans to leave less

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity not more to our kids and our grandkids. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the test in front of America right now, whether you

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<v Speaker 3>are a Democrat or a Republican or an unaffiliated voter.

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<v Speaker 3>And my view is there is no way Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>is going to help us answer that question positively.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a Trump fan, but I am a Trump voter.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just letting you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason is is that and you talked about

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<v Speaker 2>our differences and how to solve or maybe that was

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<v Speaker 2>Hickling Lipert that said, let's talk about differences and solving

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<v Speaker 2>the problem. A lot of the things that you just

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<v Speaker 2>laid out. I absolutely agree with that these are horrible problems.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I look at it, I wonder how the

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<v Speaker 2>government regulatory structure that has been sort of abused and

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<v Speaker 2>used by larger corporations in order to create higher barriers

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<v Speaker 2>to entry for other people, those kind of things. So,

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<v Speaker 2>as a member of the Senate, what can you do

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of create a more free and open economy

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a very fair question.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, I think that you know, there is

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<v Speaker 3>no country in the world that's better situated than the

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<v Speaker 3>US on energy. It's one of the great and what

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<v Speaker 3>we should also nowithstanding that litany of stuff I just said,

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<v Speaker 3>we are still the richest country in the world by far,

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<v Speaker 3>and we have unbelievable energy resources, both in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>fossil fuels and non fossil fuels. Nobody who's better positioned

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<v Speaker 3>than we to transition to the to the to the

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<v Speaker 3>carbon free economy that we have that we have to

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<v Speaker 3>get to if we can figure out how to get

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<v Speaker 3>out of our own way. And part of that is

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<v Speaker 3>the regulatory question that you're talking about. Another example I'll

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<v Speaker 3>give you. Look, I used to be a school superintendent,

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, so this issue of mental health for

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<v Speaker 3>our kids is a big deal for me and Susan

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<v Speaker 3>and I have raised three daughters. In this social media environment,

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<v Speaker 3>we have allowed those guys Mark Zuckerberg and the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of these guys to basically strip mine our kids privacy,

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<v Speaker 3>the strip mine our kids data, to strip mine our

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<v Speaker 3>economic interest just because they can, and just because they're big. Nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>There has been no pushback from anybody in.

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<v Speaker 3>And my view is we should put we need to

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<v Speaker 3>have a negotiation with those guys. Just like Teddy Roosevelt,

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<v Speaker 3>just like Teddy Roosevelt said, we should set up an

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<v Speaker 3>agency to regulate these guys that are drilling in places

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<v Speaker 3>where we didn't necessarily want them to drill. We need

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<v Speaker 3>to have somebody in Washington. I think it should be

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<v Speaker 3>a new agency that's taking on the economic concentration that

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<v Speaker 3>these social media and big tech and now AI companies represent. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 3>they're just going to dominate our media, They're going to

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<v Speaker 3>discourse in ways that that's the stuff we should be

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<v Speaker 3>worried about in terms of the future of our democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't disagree that that is a problem. I do

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<v Speaker 2>disagree that we need a new agency for anything. That's

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<v Speaker 2>no more agencies, no grade.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll trade you pick some you don't want anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>The irs, you can have that. Let's get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>the irs.

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<v Speaker 4>Some that have outlived their usefulness.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't agree that that's one, but pick some that

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<v Speaker 3>have outlived their usefulness because God knows.

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<v Speaker 4>Once you create.

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<v Speaker 3>Something there, it never goes away. But the reality is,

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<v Speaker 3>if you think Congress is going to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>regulate these guys effectively, they don't even understand that the technology,

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<v Speaker 3>much less the speed at which it's changing. It'd be

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<v Speaker 3>like asking Congress to regulate our far, you know, to

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<v Speaker 3>approve drugs in the.

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<v Speaker 4>United States, and we have no idea how to do

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<v Speaker 4>that either.

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Michael Bennett, I know you have another appointment. I

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate you stopping buch talking. I appreciate it's nice

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<v Speaker 2>to see you you as well. I hope we'll do

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<v Speaker 2>this again on the radio. I'm just letting you know

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<v Speaker 2>you said that on the radio.

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<v Speaker 4>People heard you.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, Thank you in secrets that Senator Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Bennett will be back right after that.