Speaker 1: My name is Donna Coopis. I am Wabbi a Yapia Camponia.
I am the White Wolf Woman. I'm of a Shawnee descent,
and I have the honor of being back on the show.
I was on show number for eighty and for eighty eight.
And this is just kind of an update of the
continuation of my life with the Watchers. I've been interacting
with them since I was six years old, as I
did in previous broadcasts, So some new experiences I've had
over the last year. I think it's probably around this
timeframeer is from one show to the next again, I
interact with the Watchers. I call them watchers. I don't
call them big food or YETI or anything like that.
I call them watchers because they watch over us and
in our Shawnee legend, they are our protectors and they
you know, I've been ask about why I say watchers.
There's a lot of of different discussions on that terminology.
But watchers to us means they watch overs. It's not
anything else. So you know, I do gifting for them.
They interacted with my father and my grandmother before that,
and all I can trace all the way back to
the early eighteen hundreds of you know, our family and
the you know, the watchers being part of our family.
I have letters from seventeen ninety seven actually, so that's
just kind of My dad was born in the My
dad was born in nineteen twenty seven, uh, in an
old cabin back in the woods under a mountain, and
that's where he grew up at and that was where
he saw his first watcher when he was around three.
My grandmother before that was born eighth, you know, mid
eighteen hundreds, and again she had the same same interactions.
My dad was a hunter, trapper, doug roots, so he
spent a lot of time in the woods. And I
grew up on a three hundred acre farm and that's
where I was. I was in the woods all the time.
Everything we needed came from that farm or of course,
you know the animals. We had a eleven acre berry
patch orchards. You know, everything we needed came from the land.
So I didn't have TVs. And mine was my grandmother
reading me books and tell me stories, and my playground
was the woods. So my dad, you know, I was
six the first time I saw was actually digging roots
with my dad, and he taught me respect for the
watchers and how to interact with them safely helped me.
You know, they're not here to harm me, and not that.
You know, you always have to be cautious because they're
not They're not your you know. It's not like they're
my playmates and I'm going to go out there and
play ball with them or something like that. That's not
the way it works. But they are there for a reason.
So over the last year again, I started doing this.
I had not really shared any of my life experiences
until a couple of years ago, and basically I did
that because I started, you know, I discussed it with
my elders and started doing this just for educational purposes.
Whether anybody believes, that's entirely up to them. I know
what I know. I'm not a researcher. I don't have
to prove anything because I know what I know, and
this is you know, that's just part of who I am.
But with all the modern technology and all of our
forests are being brought down, so the watchers, not only
the watchers, but our other animals are bear you know,
we got coyote, bear, bob kats, you know, the foxes.
Everything is coming out into populated areas, the cougars, you know,
we have mountain lions whatever. So it's getting more dangerous,
you know, for the human population and for my watchers
because the first thing, you know, people who who don't believe,
and then all of a sudden you got a huge
figure standing in your yard and you've got children, so
it's going to terrify you. It's like, oh my god,
what is that? What am I going to do? So
I talked to a lot of people. It's like, you're
going to shoot them. I'm going to shoot them. But
that's not what has to happen. You can live. I've
lived my whole life peacefully pretty much, and I did
and my grandma did. So you can live together just
like everybody can get along. Uh. I kind of explain
it like you can, you know, have two neighbors and
on one side as the best neighbor ever was, or
do anything for you and you'll do. Then then on
the other side you have a neighbor that's not so good.
So it's kind of like that with the watchers. You know,
we get the rugs coming through and uh, which had
that That's why it happened to me. It's been a
couple of weeks ago, there's migration. I don't know what's
going on at this time. There's been a lot more
interactions and a lot more activity, you know. And I'm
in southeastern Ohio. It seems like their new ones are
moving in. And I mean that happens periodically, you know.
Sometimes it's not not real common, but they we do
have new ones that will come through, and course then
there's a battle for uh. Each one of my watchers
that I call it, there have their own plans, their
own family units. So when the new ones come in,
there will be battles for the territory or for mates,
or you know, there's different things that can happen. And
at this time of year, the young ones are being
born and it's mating seasons. So just like any other animals,
there's squabbles and a couple of weeks ago. I have
rules that I live by, but I do gifting and
I'm a widow, so I'm used to traveling. I go
to the woods. I do ten mile hikes. Sometimes I'll
just hike back and I'll stay the night in my
campsite or whatever. I always have. I'm not scared. I
like the woods. I like being alone, and I don't
feel you know, I don't feel scared because I know
they're always there watching over me and protecting me. But
on this night, it was a couple of weeks ago,
and it's warming up. Of course, it's getting springtime and
the weather's getting warm, and that night I just couldn't sleep.
So one thirty in the morning, I broke my own rules.
I decided, well, I'll just drive. There's a location I
have to drive out through. It's a dirt road back
into the woods. There's no houses. This is isolated. Basically
drive up side of a like a cliff mountain, the
dirt road that part of you know, the rocks are
still sticking up out. There's gravel, but the road's not
very good. So you run maybe twenty five miles in
an hour. You know, it's top speed, but I have
a four wheel drive. So at the location is where
the cave system is, and it's also where they give
birth or whatever. So of an area, and I will
I have different things that I gift. I make the
apple cakes or apples or fruit or vegetables, or sometimes
I just take little shiny things and strips of cloth.
They like that kind of stuff, and usually they give
me something back, you know, I'll go back and they'll
have left me rocks or different things. So it's just
it's just our way of you know, interacting. But on
this night I had you know, I went out and
it's one thirty in the morning and it's pitch black.
There was a full moon, and I got out and
I taken I left the car running, I left the
door open, and I decided, you know, I just got
out with my stuff and I was carrying it over.
There's like a concrete wall. They built a wall because
the road is actually sliding. There's a big, huge down
the side of a cliff because there's a cave system
and it's undermining, so that's sliding down. So they put
a wall there to kind of help hold the road
because the road is still traveled, sparsely travel, but it
is travel And I will set my stuff at the
end of that wall because they come up from the
cave system. And so I I had gotten out and
as soon as I got out, I heard I have
a form of communication with the watchers. I I sense
what they feel and they feel, you know, they know
what I'm feeling. But I can hear their thoughts. It's
like mine speak type of thing. I hear it in
my head, like a telepathic type thing. I heard this
voice and at first I thought it was somebody yelling
at me from across the road, and I hear, watch out,
watch out, you know, and I'm looking around, and then
I hear like crashing in the trees. There's a because
it's a cedar grove, there's cedars in there, and I
hear like crashing in the stick's crashing, and and then
I heard the like the growls, and they have the
vocals or the one they're fighting or whatever it changes
is not their little hoops and I call it singing.
This is almost it's like an elephant trumpeting. And the
screams and I hear that, and I then all of
a sudden, of course, I'm out away from the car,
and this one steps out that I've never seen before. It's,
you know, not any that I'm familiar with or you know,
interacted with, and he is very angry and he's heading
straight for me. So I just froze. Honestly, I just froze.
I didn't know what to do. So basically I'm kind
of which I don't you know. I've been trained, you know,
to can chain my fear and my emotions because it's
also something they feed on. But it's getting closer, and
I'm terrified. And then from the woodline came the two
old ones and they are well, the one I call grandfather,
he's completely white. Now. He was my dad's watcher actually,
which he's way over one hundred years old. My dad
was born in nineteen twenty seven. Of course he's passed away,
but this is his watcher because he would come and
be with Dad before Dad passed away. I took care
of him for the last two years of his life,
and he would actually come and just kind of stand
at night time and watch the house while cared for Dad.
But there was him and then another one of the
old ones. They basically attacked. It took both of them
to take the young one down because he's big and
he's massive. And that gave me the chance to get
back into my car. And then of course now I
have to travel like forty five miles down the side
of this hillside the cliffs, and I have to go
at a slow speed. I can't and but my terror
was I'm sorry, I get a little emotional at this
point because they're fighting and my tail light's light up
and I can see them there, and I see my
old one, my dad's you know, he's old and I've
seen him go down and you know, the first he
means a lot to me because that's part of my dad.
If I would, you know, it's just the way it is.
It's like I'm looking at my grandfather and I actually
hit the brakes and I thought and then in common sense,
hit me. And it's like, no, they're giving your life
to let you go, to get you out of here,
so don't disrespect them, you know, get going, don't stop.
Get going. So I had to travel out and get
down and I'm crying. It's so hard, I can't see,
and it's you know, it's dark. The moon is shining,
but it's dark, and I had lights and I'm just
going down this dirt dirt dude, it's just dense trees
all around, like you would drive through the forest and
you got a dirt road. That's how it is. And
so I got to get down to the other road,
which is another vacant it's paved road now, but the
conservancy owns it. So all the homes and the farms
there are no more. They've sold them out and there's
no one lives there, which was part of my old
home where I raised my kids out my dad's old farm,
and then my farm connected his, and I have to
travel up another seven miles to get to the main
highway before I end. Then I got to get on
home to my house where I live, and I was
so terrified, you know, I'm still I searched, and I
so heartbroken because I thought, you know, I couldn't find him.
I could always sense him or feel him, and I couldn't,
so I thought, you know, he's dead, you know, I
thought for sure I lost him, and honestly, I grieved
so And then there's another couple that I'm kind of training,
and they come and we go out together, and they're
a young couple. When I'm hoping that because I'm getting
older and I want somebody to take my place in
life when I'm gone. I want somebody to be here
to continue on caring for our burial mounds and caring
for you know, the interactions with the watchers and hopefully
carry on just education and to hopefully keep everybody safe,
you know, not just my watchers, but the humans and
the families that's moving in, that's our goal. So they
had went. There's a cemetery where they hang out a lot.
The cemetery is an old from late seventeen hundreds, early
eighteen hundreds, and they still the watchers hang out at
the cemeteries because even though the person that's passed away,
they I think they sense where, they know where they're at,
they know that's where their body had been or whatever,
so they will hang out there and they watch over.
And so they were there and they actually picked him up.
They were video and and Rick and Mandy Steltoner that's surname.
And Rick sent me the video and he says, look, look, look,
I can look what I see. And there was a
flash of my old my old grandfather, and I seen him.
He's moving slow, but he was up moving, which made
my heart, you know, I got joy in my heart
just to be able to know he was alive. And
then I waited up a couple more days and then
I went and then I found him myself. It's not
like I go and hug him. That's not how it works. Well,
I don't do that, but I can go and I'll
bring something and he will step out for me to see,
and he recognizes me, and I recognize him. It's just
a not that, you know, this was a very serious. Uh.
I could have died that night, you know. Honestly, I
am amazed that in my heart I thought this is it.
I thought, this is it, you know, this is going
to be my doing me in uh. And if it wasn't, honestly,
if it had not been for those two that intervened
on my part and thought they fought for my life,
you know, I mean they were probably they were probably
in a battle to begin with, as probably reason they
were because this new one on top of that cave,
the females are down in there. So it was you know,
a very very bad situation to begin with. And then
I was I felt so guilty because I thought, you know,
if I hadn't went there or did that, maybe you know,
maybe I caused it to be more violent than it
was before. So I had that guilt in my heart.
And it's still bothers me that my old one, you know,
he got hurt. But the other thing was with Mandy
and Rick. They also picked up another picture of just
like the face and the shoulders from the cemetery of
the of the other one, which is amazing that he's alive.
He does not look very good. His nose is split
in almost in half. The it's like a prize fighter
and the eye and so he's beat up pretty good too.
But he's still there. And it seems like there's two
that the old ones, uh my, my clans here have
accepted they've ran off. I'm not the other ones, because
there was like six new ones that came in. I'm
not seeing the other ones, but these two are being submissive,
and so I guess the battle, you know, the old
ones won. They won one more time. However many times
that's going to happen because they are getting really old.
But then because I've I've seen him a couple of times,
and and my old ones, they they keep them back
away from me. They don't let them anywhere. But because
I can't hear I'm beginning to hear the new one's thoughts.
I couldn't do it to begin with my old one, yes,
but not the new ones. But now it's kind of
like I'm picking up little brief words here and there.
And what was kind of concerning because I heard in
the thought pattern or in my you know, and the
one says she smells good, and I'm like, does he
mean I smell good like a good person? Or does
he mean I smell good like he wants to eat me? So,
because it is a violent situation, it's not a you know,
it's not like he's my friend. He's still very leary,
not just me. There's a lot more people that's interacting
and seeing and they're having a little more violence.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I guess with the new ones. The old ones that's here,
they don't they see them or whatever, but they're not
so apt to harm or or you know, do stuff
that these new ones are not from here and there.
It's different things. The other thing that I had, I
think I talked about this in the last show that
I did was my hike and seeing the dog Men.
I believe I spoke about that for the first time.
I never believed in the dog Men. I thought it
was just a myth because I've heard the lores and
legends from my Shawnee Elders, the old medicine men and
the stories, and I honestly thought it was, you know,
kind of like the warriors that were just maybe the
medicine men. I did something to make them battle a
little hard, you know, a little fiercer like the dog soldiers,
which is another Those are warriors. They are native warriors,
and they teeter theirselves down. They fight to the death.
They either win or they die. They do not turn
theirselves loose for any reason. And I thought, well, maybe
that's what when they spoke of the dog man, that's
what they were talking about. But then when I did
that hike and I seen that, and I still had
questions in my mind. We you know, we did that
six mile hike back in the woods, mean the two
other girls, and it was a good evening. You know,
we'd had fun all day I had. We heard some
knocks and seen some different some footprints and different stuff.
It wasn't even my area. It's probably almost two hours
from where I live. I went to the other girls
area something she wanted to show me, you know, just
for a hike. We had a great time. Big old tree,
hollow tree, we played, you know, I took pictures, acted crazy,
got inside, got stuck, you know, just crazy stuff that
when we were leaving, come down that trail, we saw that.
I saw it first. I thought it was a big
tom turkey, you know, because it was so far away,
it's just like it's big black gob and I was like,
what in the world. And then the second girl she
saw it, and then she's like, I don't know what
is that. Of course I don't carry my phone or
anything with me. I don't have a camera or nothing.
They have phones. I have junk phones. I don't fill
with phones too much. So she tried taking a picture
and she couldn't get it. She's like, I don't know
what it is, but I can't bring it in close enough.
So we went further. Of course I carry a gun.
I do one because there's snakes and the coyotes and
you know, just for protection. But back in the woods.
But we had to travel that trail to get out.
There's only one way in and one way out. You
don't have any other you have no other way out.
You have to go that way. So we kept moving,
and you know, we're getting a little concerned now because
as farther closer we get, the bigger this thing is getting.
And we talked about it's like it had like like
a German shepherd head. So we're like, you know, did
somebody throw a dog out because we're in the woods.
You know, did somebody you know, abandon a dog? What
is that? And then we're worried about is the dog mean?
And of course I walked with a walking stick, and
of course I was the oldest one in a bunch
that the other two girls are younger, and the ones like,
I'm gonna give me a stick. So she did. She
found them. But by that time I pulled my pouch around.
Then you know, I have I have a three eighty
and I carry extra clips for it, and I just
wanted to have it working at my hand on it,
and I did. But then we went one down farther
and there was a dough deer on the side of
the trail, and she jumped She's been laying there. She
jumped up and ran off to the right. And but
now this thing, we can see it, and it's like
on the ground, like like a dog tracking your nose
to the ground, like it's sniffing and tracking. And I
was like, oh my god, it's a huge dog looking tight.
And you know, now we're you know, we're really concerned
because you know, we don't know is this thing going
to be is it going to be violent? Is it,
you know, is it mean or what? And then we
got close enough, you know, where we could see it good.
And then it came up on two feet. Uh. You know,
I'm like, god, uh, I'm like in my mind, I
can't even rationalize what I'm seeing. And she's looking at me,
you know, the one girl's looking at the other one.
The third girl has seen it, but she's kind of
like shock type thing. She's kind of a little bit
in the shock, and but the you know, she's like, uh, well,
you know, we're kind of speechless, and it's like, oh
my gosh. Now I think, well, maybe somebody's throwing a
ball making it jump up. But then I realized it's walking.
It's walking on two legs. And then it went to
the right into the woods line where the deer had went.
And now we have to pass there. There's no way,
Like I said, there's no way. Everything went silent. There
wasn't a bird, there wasn't an insect. Every hair on
my head stood up on my neck, you know, cold chills,
like oh my god, I'm on high alert. But now
by this time, I've done, you know, I've done clicked
my safety off and I got my hand in there.
I'm like, you know, this at three eighty is not
going to handle the size of this thing because it's
man's size. It's huge, and it's up on two legs.
So we get up there and we had to crawl over.
There was a log across the road. He had crawled
over it when we came in, so we had to
crawl back over. And we're getting up and there was
like fifty feet to where the car was, and I
have my daughter's new car, which you know, you just
hit the clicker and unlocked the door, and I'm hitting
it and I'm hitting it and I'm hitting it and
it won't unlock. And then the one girl, she's like,
I got a pee. I got a pee. I got
a pee. She's like, you know there was because it's
a park area. And it's just like I said, there's
no way. I said, just pee wherever you want to.
I'm getting in a car because there's no way. I'm
like it, don't go, you know, don't go towards the bathroom.
You know it's farther away from the car. You don't
want to get in the car. And finally I had
to take the key, and you know what, the new cars.
You got to ring in my robe, and even with
a key to unlocked the door, it's like a horror movie.
And I got it unlocked and we got in and
it's like, she's like, what did we just see? What
was that? I don't know? I mean, she's like, do
we just see a dog? Man? I don't know. I'm
still I'm still in shock and doubt. And but in
this same area, this was like last year, and then
in January of this year, in the same area, this
was a deputy sheriff and he actually told his story.
It's the same area where we saw this, and he
was coming home from, you know, from work, and he
I've never met the man. I don't know him. I've
never seen him. He never talked to me. I never
shared my story with him. But he described the exact
same thing that we saw and basically the same area,
you know, standing beside the road by a guardrail, which
you know, it shook him up pretty good too. I
guess he saw it turn around to come back and uh.
But he shared his story and I'm like, wow, he
saw the same thing we saw. Uh, so it has
to be something. But then after that time again I
had like I said, I hot, I go back into
the woods of my own area where I go to camp,
and I'd go back, and I'd spent the night that night,
and I have like the little Goat Edinburgh, you know it,
it records front and back. And I was walking away
and I didn't I didn't see anything. I didn't sense anything,
I didn't smell anything. And I, you know, just a
couple of days later, I was going through my my
pictures or whatever. I always liked to look see it
because there's turkeys back there, and you know, there's owls.
I love the owls and the whipper wheels. Everybody hates
whipper wheels. I love whipper wheels. And you know, it's
just we have there is a few bob Whites, believe
it or not that I don't know how they have survived.
We actually had. We have plant life here that does
not grow anywhere else, and birds that's seen anywhere else
in the world, and this is the conservacy are helping
to preserve all of that. And we also have a
wood rat. I don't know why they're wanting to keep those,
but I'm not real thrilled on rats. You know. In
my video, basically that's what I was looking for was
that kind of stuff standing on the cliff. There is
a clear picture. It is not my watcher. This is
it has the pointed ears of the dog. It is
the curved legs, standing on two legs, massive standing up
looking down, basically watching me walk under the cliff.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: In a way. It didn't try to you know, it
didn't try to harm me. It didn't growl, it didn't
do any kind of I had heard howls the night
before which I thought were coyotes, and I actually did
pick it up on UH on my audio. I got
some vocals of it, and i'd send it to Tim
Vogel is a researcher that I'd speak to him. I
kind of met him when I was doing the podcast.
I met him, and I'll ask him stuff because he's
a really nice man. He's always he's been very helpful
and very supportive of me. And if I if I
send him something or ask him something, he'll tell me,
you know, either that is just nothing, whatsoever. It's a
piece of Garphy's or whatever, do this this. So he's
always been very very honest and talking to Tim, I'd
send him that recording of the how and he said,
that's not a coyote. He said, that's a wolf. He's like,
those are a wolf, howse, which we don't really in
this area, we don't really have wolves. There was some
that a man was breeding, like highbreds with the husky
dogs he had, you know, he had the male wolf,
you know, timberwolf, and he was breeding him with the huskies.
He was selling them and he you know, they came out.
He guy in travel and instead of he wouldn't let
him have these animals, he just opened the cages. He
had big kennels and they were very well cared for.
They were not neglected in any way, but he turned
them loose. So we do have you know, we have
highbreds that's running. You don't see him very often, but
you know, we we do have some. So I thought, well,
maybe that's why I picked up. Maybe there was one
of them. But that's what you know, he told me.
He's like, there's a wolf house and he said that's
and it's not any kind of a wood because he
is a uh he guides, you know, he he's a woodsman,
so he does a lot of you know, he's in
the woods, so he knows his stuff and he said,
that's a wolf. He says, it's not really any wolf
that I you know, the kind of whiff that I've heard.
He said, that is something different, but that is a wolf.
So evidently we do have you know, people has a
couple of times it's not the watchers are seeing they're
seeing this other, these other creatures which I in all
my life, my all my years have been in the
woods and up until that point, I've never saw anything
like that. So I don't have an explanation for what's
going on. I just know that it seems like things
are changing, and not just you know, more interactions here
the like like I said, with the watchers and their clans,
there's probably six different plans that live here. They don't leave,
they live in the cave systems. People say, you know
they migrate in the wintertime. No, because there's plenty of
food here. You know, there's a deer, and there's turkey,
and and then there's farm animals and nothing else. But
you know, I have poultry farmside chain. They love ducks.
They've wiped out my ducks that they don't bother the
other stuff, but they have taken my ducks. And course
the creeks have the there's plenty of fish and the
crawl dads and then the little turtles, you know that
kind of stuff. So I find their footprints in I
have the waterfalls. I have a waterfalls where we've found
some really interesting different things. Like my grandson found it
is bigger than a dinner plate. I mean like a
like a big almost size of a serving plate. It
is a petrified I don't know if it's a hand
or a foot. You can see the fingers and the nails.
There's like three things. There's like three fingers and a
thumb or whatever. Or to me it looks more like
a hand instead of a foot. But I just speak
to there's it's called the House of Phaeops and that's
what they do is all kinds of different rocks and
like the horn coil in which we have massive amount
of horn coral here. And he's like, you know, that's prehistoric.
So I'm not sure. I'm not sure what it is.
But in that waterfalls is also where I found last year.
Well it's beginning of spring last year. My son I
hadn't been out and he went with me and we
were just walking, you know, we just did a hike
and we looked in of course there's waterfall and there's foliage.
You know, there's sand, and of course the water runs through.
And he's like, what is that if something's sticking up
out of the ground. I looked. I said, it looks
like hair. So he started pulling the hair and he
pulled out and then again Tim Vogel's voice popped in
my head because I don't think about you know, I'm
not a researcher. I don't think about that kind of stuff.
And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, you know, if that
is something we're messing up DNA, so you know, stop.
There's no skin on it. This is just hair, like
you know, like dreadlock hair. It's very hoarse, coarse and
thick and matted. Of course there's sticks in the air.
And it would be like if a human being grew
their hair, a massive human being grew their hair and
never combed it or watched it or processed it her
whole life. That's what it would be like. So he
pulled that out and we put it in a backpack
and I brought it home and I had put it,
laid it over a chair. I was like, oh my god,
how big is this because it's like six foot long
and it's about two feet white, and it was of
course it was wet, and it's stink. Oh my god,
it's think horrible. It's not like skunk and wet dog,
and you know it was it was bid stink. And
so I left it. And then the next morning I thought, well,
I want to lay it out, So I put plastic
down on my couch. I want to lay it out
just to you know, to measure it, to get the
exact measurement on it. And I want to take more
pictures because I took like two pictures when I brought
it in wet, but when I laid it out and
it was dry, it would not. I couldn't take a picture.
It wouldn't let me take a picture. I took a
picture of everything out in the house. I took a camera,
tried a camera, tried my phone, but not let me
do it. So I I'm like, what, you know, what
the heck? Why is that not? I couldn't explain it.
But then again there was more left there. So we
waited a while. It was probably a month before we
went back, and this time we took rubber gloves. I
told him. I was like, well, well, I had a
big plastic case and I said, we'll take gloves. That way,
we won't touch it and mess up anything. You know,
it's a different color. The first bunch is like brown
and black, like it has some red streaks in it,
and then the other is like white and it's got
brown in the red streaks, but it's got white in it.
Again about the same amount, not the same length and stuff,
same texture. I took it to a taxidermist that I trust,
I'm known for years, and I ask him, you know,
what could it be because he's very you know, he's
been doing this for a lot of years and he's
very good at what he does. And he's like, I
don't know, I'm never seen you know, He's said the
closest thing I would say it would be like a
b below or buffalo, but it's too much, you know,
it's it would kind of like that, not that. So
he's like, I don't know what you have. So I
don't know where it came from or you know, because
there's no skin, it's just hair. But in this area,
like I said, from this waterfalls, we found different stuff.
And then again I was talking to another it was
a researcher and he's you know, it's so do you
having ideas? And he said, well, you know when the
animal passes away, like a deer or whatever, and they
get into the water and the water runs them, you know,
the hair slough off. That's true because it's like tang.
Because tan, like we will dear. We process everything I use.
We tan the hide.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: We use horns, you know for knife handles and buttons,
and pull the sinew. We use the sinew to wrap
with and the leg bones. My son makes the bone knives,
you know, like the old the Shawnee bone knives the
old time. Uh. So we use everything. There's nothing that
goes to waste because if that animal gave its life,
then you honor it and you you know, you don't
disrepect it. You use everything. It gave us life for you.
So it's meat for you to eat, but the materials
are for use for other things. When you tan a hide,
you know, you you take the hair off, and it's
a water process of that too. So like, well that
makes sense. Maybe whatever it was was in that waterfalls
or up the creek, or and we'd had some flooding,
so maybe or maybe it was a burial and it
ran through it and it literally washed the hare, you know,
off of I'm there's nowhere for me, there's nowhere for
me to send things for DNA. And then I've been
told don't do it anyway because there's no reputable place
you send stuff, you never get it back or you know,
even if it was just a small amount or whatever.
But so I'm not sure whether that, you know, I question,
is it one of my watchers, you know, was one
of the old ones that passed away? Did it? Or
was it one of these other creatures you know fighting
did they up in the water, and you know, so
I do have questions on that. Yeah, I'm I realish
any answer anybody can give me or you know, I'm
I'm up for. Uh, everybody has an opinion, and you know,
if you put your thoughts together. I think if everybody
worked together, we would get a whole lot more production,
you know, and a lot more answers. I mean, I
know things, other people know things, and if we put
them together, I think we could figure out you know,
I think it would be better.
Speaker 2: So but.
Speaker 1: Just you know, human nature, Yeah.
Speaker 2: A human nature is right if you've had a big
Foot Sighting, and I would like to be a guest.
Please go to bigfoote witness dot com and let me
know when the watch you call grandfather and the other
old watch received you from that rogue. Did the words
watch out, watch out sound loud in your head or
did you hear them in normal volume?
Speaker 1: No, they were shouting, you know, like warning me, watch out,
watch out. You know it was a warning. It's when
I thought I thought, you know, I actually thought there
was a person because the voice is gruff. It's you know,
it's it's like a male voice, but it's like gruff.
The you know, I knew what the words were saying,
but it's not like your voice talking to me. These
are you know, the voices are gruff. Now I've heard
them before. Her different sounds I hear, like the Shawnee.
I have the ancient Shawnee language, you know, from the
real Shawnee language, the ancient Shawnee, not the Shawnee language
that you go online and look up or whatever. I
have the original ancient Shawnee language, and I will hear
different words or sounds. I think it's where they have
communicated and passed down that there's you know, but this
was English. This was not Shawnee that said watch out.
This was English. So but it was the voice is
very like gruff, uh, you know, but I knew what
it was saying. You know, it was warning me, watch out,
watch out. And I'm like, but then it was just seconds,
you know, it's screaming and then seconds I'm right there
in the line of fire. And in all my life,
I've never I've never seen that degree of violence. And
to know, you know, I honestly in my heart, I
knew it meant to kill me. I think it meant
to you know, I was in this way. It was
mad whatever it was, you know, the fighting there. Like
I said, this is a very sensitive time because that's
the other thing people always ask me about. And they
leave urine behind. You know, I've seen it and you
smell it. It's different. It's just like a thick, syrupy
like almost, and it has an odor to it. So
in the one area, I have a barn, It's an
old abandoned tobacco barn, and I call it the Hidden
pond because that pond has the big old snapping turtles
in it, you know, and it's plum full of fish
of all kind and it sets back in the woods
and nobody really goes there, but they use that area.
And I use that barn. I have a table and
stuff set up in there, and I'll take you know,
different foods back there and leave it, you know, like
I grow a garden, so I have leftover like punkin
and squash and you know, cucumbers, whatever. I'll take a
portion up back there and just put it out for them.
But they when they come in, of course, you know
in an old barn, the floor is just dust and dirt.
You know, it's just a dirt floor. So the foot
prints are there where they come in, and then the
trails through the high grass that leads into the barn,
you can track them through it. And my granddaughter, one
of my granddaughters, had graduated. This has been a few
years ago, and that's what they was going to go
back to the pond. Her and there's like three girls
and that was their big idea for their graduation thing.
They was going back there in camp and her dad, now,
their dad will not go back in there. He grew
up in that area. He is terrified and he'll tell you,
so he'll mow a trail in for me, but he
does it very quickly. If it's night time or dark,
he will not set foot back in there. He's like, no, no, no,
He's like, I've heard too many things back there. I
don't like the things that moves back there. So but
the girls, you know, they were gonna be big and brave.
I tell it's funny story. And of course they're eighteen,
you know, they just graduated, and so they go back
set up their camp and put up their tenth and
do all this stuff. And then it gets dark and
they had four wheelers they brought came back in four
wheelers and they left everything behind. So it was She's
like it started out with like the coyotes howling, and
then then she's like, then we hear this. It's funny
because the ones vocal sounds like a train. It would
just go oh, you know, it goes on and on
and on, and she's like, I don't know, Dad's right.
She's like, there's something back there there, really is you
always told is. So that was their their big experience
on uh where graduation did not go so well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it didn't hold it down. It doesn't
seem like sasquatch do anything without having a reason for it.
With that in mind, why do you think it was
that that root came after you that night the.
Speaker 1: Way he did. I think he was new, you know,
he didn't know me. He was new to the area.
They were fighting, like I said, because when the hate,
you've got the females. You know, it's breeding time and
they're here. They're in clans, and they are in pairs.
They you know, they pair. It's not like they have
this big group they have. It's a couple that you know,
just it's not I kind of explain it like you know,
like the wolves made for life, you know, and they're
they're It's what I see here is when you see
the male and female in a family unit, those are
the same male and female and their children. Then you've
got the rugue coming in and he's fighting for territory,
and there's the females are giving birth in those caves.
But then you've got the young females. They're for breeding.
You know, it's time for them to so they can
smell that. You know. It's kind of like you know
when when a dog goes in heat. And don't mean
to be crude or anything, you know about that but
you know, the other the male dogs come, you know,
they can, they'll travel for miles they smell that female,
and it's kind of like that too. So the old
ones are usually the sentries. They're up to the top
and they guard the you know, they're guarding those caves.
So I believe he came in. He probably smelled the
females and he sends them and he was there and
he just was outmatched. But honestly, I was my old one.
He's down to like three toes and he is he
is old and very fierce, but he's still you know,
his age, and the young ones are you know, of
course they're going to be stronger. You know, the older
he gets, the more weak he's going to get. He
still held his own this time. But I think that
was what it was. And when I stopped, I just
kind of was in the wrong place at the wrong time,
and he didn't. Basically, I don't know, maybe he just
you know, he was I was just in the way,
you know. That's I don't feel like it was. I
don't feel any animosity towards it because basically, you know,
I was out in the woods by myself and I
was in the wrong place. It's a wrong time. That's
kind of how I feel about it, but I do,
you know, I thank God every day, you know, for
the ones that was there too. But they've protected me before.
You know, they've did things before that has protected me.
So they're always all here warning you know, snakes. They've
warned me away, you know, when there's something dangerous that's
gonna You know, I grew up in the woods as
a kid, so I played in those woods and I
would you know, they protected me, They really did. Dad
taught me, and it's like basically, you leave them alone,
they'll leave you alone. You respect them, they'll respect you.
You watch out for them, they'll watch out for you.
And that's you know, how I have been taught and
that's how I live and I still do when I
go out. You know, it's like my first instinct that
night was stop to help them, And then I'm like,
what am I going to do? There's no there's no
human being going to battle them and win. There is not.
I don't care what kind of gun you got. You
might make noise, you might scare them away, but to win, no,
there's no one going to fight them physically and win.
I don't care what anybody says seeing them, that is
not possible. They can be right there. That's the other thing.
It's like with the hair I talked about and how
you can't get a picture. It's like them, you know,
and they try to get them on like the well
not the infer the heat thing. You know. They'll say, well,
we can't get them on the heat. You know, we're
trying to get the I don't even know what it's called,
because I don't have one what you called like the
cant or the thing that shows the heat, like if
you're light up, you know, in the night time, you
see your body heat. And I was like, well, why
can't you get it? And then I had actually talked
to it's an old soldier, you know, it's an old veteran,
because I work with a veteran. And he said, do
you ever think about you know, like when we're out there,
they give them those those blanket things they put over
them that shields them so when they're trying to find them,
they can't pick up their their body heat because it's
like a silver blanket like thing they use. He told me,
he showed it to me, he had one, so you
put this on. He said, then you put it hit
me with that, and he'said, see, can't see my body heat? Right,
he said, what about them? He said, what about if
they're fur you know, their hair repels like that, just
like they shimmer like they're standing in the woods, they
step out, you see them, they step back and turn.
You don't see them them more, not that they're not there,
that they you know, they have not left, but you
can see him. So well that makes sense, you know.
So I actually had talked to well Rick Stultner about
that too, and he's like, you know, that's a good idea.
Maybe we should like experiment and see. Uh you know
if I was like, well I did with him, and
that I don't know what the terminology is for it,
but it's not it's not the infrared so much as
the thing that does the heat, the body heat thing.
So like, okay, that was just one other thing, you know,
I'll try to come up with theories for this or that.
And well, it kind of makes sense if.
Speaker 2: You watch the woods around your property with technology like
that on a regular basis. I can only imagine what
you might see with all the activity going on around there.
Speaker 1: Well, I've gotten the one picture I got, which I
didn't even wasn't trying to get anything. It was in
my big house, which was my bedroom was all glad.
I had like plate glass windows. But I had moved
down when I took care of Mom and Dad because Dad,
i'd get him closer for like the squads and whatever.
So I got the cabins. In the cabin that I'm
in right now, I'd taken a little bedroom and I
turned it into a bathroom. But I had the sliding doors,
you know, because I have a creek directly like ten
feet from the back of my house. There's the creek
you go down and then it's woods's that's how it is.
And I thought it was coyotes. That night, I left
that window open and I went into the bathroom and
I thought, oh crap, I left that open. A mosquite
is gonna come in off the creek. But then I
smelt like the wet dog the coyo. I thought, well,
it's coyotes. They must be right there in the creek
by the house. And I just stuck my phone out
the window and I snapped two pictures that night with
my phone, and again under paid attention was went back
to what I was doing. And the next morning I
was going through my pictures and lo and behold with
probably within you know, just ten feet of where my
hand was where I snapped that picture. I got his face,
his face, his shoulder, his arm, you know, he's literally
right there. It's like, oh, I get I'll get rocks through,
not big rocks. But sometimes he likes to get attention,
so he'll like it's a young one. Actually he's young,
and he'll like pitch a rock or stick or when
he was he's getting big now, but when he was younger,
he would actually climb from the tree that's in the
back and step over onto the roof. And of course,
like I said, I have a cabin, I have a
loft area, but because there's not you know, this isn't
a big house, and you would see like it's like
my ceiling was like, please get off my roof. I'm
afraid of nighttime because I I'm mine by myself. So
I just first I thought what and the heck, but
then the weight of it. But he didn't hurt anything.
It was basically just kind of like a curious.
Speaker 2: Kid, you know, Thank goodness, he didn't hurt anything. He's
definitely got the weight to crash right through if he's
not careful. So, thank goodness that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: He's quit getting onto the roof. I think he's a
little too big now, but that was. They grow at
a lot faster rate than we do, so he's still young,
but he's you know, he's getting bigger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that about them. I can only imagine
enough fast they do grow. When you saw him after
the night that he saved you, you said the grandfather
was moving slowly, but being as old as he is,
did he seem to be having trouble getting around even
before that night.
Speaker 1: Well, he is getting older and he doesn't you know,
he don't move like a young one. But he was
definitely hurt, you know, he was definitely he's beat up,
you know he wasn't. They're very you know when they fight,
it's not it's a very violent thing. So, I mean
they bite. Their bite is very very bad. You know,
it's it's huge and it's their their mouth is now
you know when they open it, their head is big.
So it's not like but their teeth, you know, they
have more. They don't have like fang type teeth like
you know, adult or whatever. But they do have like
we have the eye teeth, you know, the the more
sharper on the side, and they have that, but there's
is a lot bigger. So they make a pretty good puncture.
But it's just you know, so yeah, when they fight,
it's nothing. There's nothing general about it at all.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure. Yeah, I've heard stories about people seeing
them fight, and yeah, it didn't sound pretty at all.
Speaker 1: They literally will tear huge trees out, you know, they do.
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When Grandfather and that other watcher stop the rogue from
getting to you that night, I don't want to put
words into your mouth. I want to make sure understood
what you said about what happened. Did the rogue seem
to attack them to or continue to try to get
to you?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, they hit him. You know, it took
both of them. They literally knocked him down. You know,
when he went down, that's how I got They had
him down because it was like you would think, like
football tackle. You know, they tackled, you know, they attacked,
and as they not it took both of them to
knock him down. But then they're on top of a cliff.
So you know, that's how I got back to the car.
The car wasn't that far away, and thank god I
had left the door open and it was running, so
that was a that was a plus for me. But again,
they're on top and these they're literally knocking trees and
stuff down, but they're on top of that cliff. And
then when my my tail lights, you know, of course
I'm looking in the rear view mirror, and you know
I had seen, you know, they had knocked him down,
but they were up on top of him. And then
I seen, you know, my old one. He was thrown
and he went down, and that's when I thought, you know,
I thought for sure it killed him. I really did.
I thought, you know, he's old, he's old. He's on
top of a cliff. You know, they're over they're going
over the side of a cliff into you know, the
down and this is just rocks. So that's all I
could think of, you know, they're they're you could hear.
I mean it was like I can't even describe the sounds,
the screams and the I mean, there's no one lives
back in there, so I don't know if anybody else,
but you could hear it. I mean it traveled. The fighting,
the sound would travel because I you know, always I
had to you know, the window down and I'm trying
to see. But you know, after I'm out, the tail
lights are out, and what I could see with just
the moon, but you know they're they're down and down
over so they're out on my line of sight. And
then I just I had to get I don't know
if you could understood where I'm driving down this road.
I'm literally on each side. If I go off the road,
I'm gonna go down over a cliff. You know, I'm
going to go. I'm just in a woodline. But on
each side it's a drop off, you know. So I
got to stay in the middle of that road. And
I can't go fast because just the bump of it
will throw you off the road because there's a gravel road,
but there's like the rocks from the cliff top, you know,
it's sticking up through it. So you're going four will
drive dump dump, you know, like that. So it until
I get down off of that road and then onto
the paved road. It's pretty hairy in the day time.
That's really I said. I don't know what I shouldn't
have went that night. It was just like whether spur
of the moment, crazy idea things, you know, when you
it's like why did I do that? Why did I
do that? And but I'm kind of I'm just used
to going, you know, into mostly I hike in, but
that night I just thought I just wanted I couldn't sleep,
and it was warm, and I just needed quiet time.
And and I regret, you know, I regret it every day.
I can't I do. I actually have guilt. I'm thinking,
you know, maybe you know they were fighting, that maybe
it wouldn't have been so violent, and if I hadn't
found him, I don't know. My heart was just just
totally I did. I cried and cried. I cried all
the way out, and then I cried for days. I
just could not. I was so when he sent me,
I was so relieved. And then when I could actually
see him for myself and see that he was alive,
that was it was like this massive weight came off
of my heart and I was like, thank you God,
you know, thank you for letting him be here. Well,
I just I don't know. I really honestly, I really
do have a lot of concern for things is changing
and I don't know what's going to happen, and I just, uh,
they've been here forever. It's like everything else, you know,
the bear, the bear coming right out into people's yards
and the bobcats coming into my barn. They don't run away.
They're not afraid anymore. You know, before you know, you
go out and shoot up in the air or whatever,
and they'll you know, they'll run away. But if they
are getting so used to human beings, they're not running
away anymore. So it makes it that much more dangerous,
you know, especially for children just my I do have
been concerned.
Speaker 2: Because of all those changes, like what you just mentioned.
Have you been thinking about moving lately.
Speaker 1: Or are you the direction? Nope, I'm actually putting up
I've in my woods. We're starting to build. It's uh,
it's going to be a primitive cabin. But I'm already
there's a spring there and I'm already, uh, the trees
are there. Then we're me and my son has been Nope,
I'll be I'm going to be moving back farther. I'm
not going to come out of the woods. I'm going
to move back and further into the woods.
Speaker 2: So you don't fight easily.
Speaker 1: No, No, that's that's what I said. I've been you know,
I grew up in the woods and I've been taught,
and I'll never leave my woods. I'll never you know,
this is I told my son, which he got kind
of aggravated at me because he's like, Mom, don't talk
like us. Like, I'm building my cabin. This is my
cabin for the end of my life, and I'm going
to you know, I have a few more responsibilities that
I have to, you know, take care of, and then
when my time comes, I'm going to my cabin and
I'm going to live in my cabin to the end
of my days. And then when you come and I'm not,
you know, I no longer need it. You just don't
worry about it. You just simply set that on fire
and leave me there. And he's like, Mom, like, you
can't do that. Well, that's what I want. I just
I don't want I don't want to leave my woods.
That is, that's who I am. And I don't put
curtains on my windows. I don't close my windows because
I like seeing my woods in my forest. It's nothing
for me to go out in the night time. And
just I that's how I calm myself. And I love
you know. I love my woods, I love my animals,
I love my trees. So and that's you know. I've
been this way in my whole life and I'm not
going to change now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm glad you're not going to change. That's admirable.
I love the fact that you feel that way about
the woods and you love the woods so much. That's great. Yep,
and definitely understand that too. Well. I'll tell you what, Donna.
We're out of time, but before we get out of here,
I just want to thank you so much for coming
back on and updating us about the latest developments.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I just I don't know if what I do
does any you know, makes any difference in the world.
Like I said, everybody has their own opinion. They can
believe me, they don't have to believe me. I don't care.
I know what I know, and I'm not out to
prove anything. The only thing I care about is I
care about people. I take care of people. I care
about children, I care about elderly, and I care about
my animals. You know, I care about my i'mant to
care about my Watchers. The dog men are a little
different thing for me. I worry more for people's safety
with them because they are a different breed, and I
think that's going to get a little more violent myself.
But now maybe with people seeing more and getting more
educated about things, that's there. You know, some talk about,
you know, the Watchers being evil and doing all this,
and I'm sure you know, I'm not saying they're all good.
They're not. You know, it's like everything else there is
good and bad and everything. But I also think they
are here to guide us too. You know, I believe
in God. I believe the Creator is my God. But
God is the Creator, so you know, and I you know,
I go, you know, I go to church. I've been
raised both ways into church and with the Shawnee old ways,
and I listen to the ministers the preachers, and I
hear them telling everybody, you know, the end of the
days are coming and you need to be getting right.
And you know, basically you know, some people listen, most
just shut it off. So maybe the watchers are here
for a reason too. Maybe they're here and they're showing
yourself more to not there to me. They're my watchers
and are my protectors. But maybe they're here to help
guide too, because you know, not that they're evil. Maybe
what some of the people in the world don't want
to you know, they don't follow the religion or listen
to the ministers or whatever. Maybe the watchers are not
here to take us to hell or you know. I
think they're here to teach us to so I think
there's a good thing there for us to learn from.
That's just my opinion. Everybody to their own opinion, and
like I said, everybody is entitled to their own. I
do not argue religion or politics right them on top
of my this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never get anywhere doing that. So that's a
good policy, it really is. Well, like I said, Donna,
thanks again so much for your time, and please remember
if I can ever help you, I'll.
Speaker 1: Be there for you.
Speaker 2: I have to do is let me know. But having
said that, thanks again so much and have a great night.
That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eye Witness Radio
with Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and
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