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Speaker 1: My name is Donna Coopis. I am Wabbi a Yapia Camponia.

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I am the White Wolf Woman. I'm of a Shawnee descent,

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and I have the honor of being back on the show.

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I was on show number for eighty and for eighty eight.

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And this is just kind of an update of the

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continuation of my life with the Watchers. I've been interacting

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with them since I was six years old, as I

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did in previous broadcasts, So some new experiences I've had

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over the last year. I think it's probably around this

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timeframeer is from one show to the next again, I

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interact with the Watchers. I call them watchers. I don't

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call them big food or YETI or anything like that.

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I call them watchers because they watch over us and

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in our Shawnee legend, they are our protectors and they

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you know, I've been ask about why I say watchers.

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There's a lot of of different discussions on that terminology.

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But watchers to us means they watch overs. It's not

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anything else. So you know, I do gifting for them.

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They interacted with my father and my grandmother before that,

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and all I can trace all the way back to

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the early eighteen hundreds of you know, our family and

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the you know, the watchers being part of our family.

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I have letters from seventeen ninety seven actually, so that's

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just kind of My dad was born in the My

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dad was born in nineteen twenty seven, uh, in an

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old cabin back in the woods under a mountain, and

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that's where he grew up at and that was where

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he saw his first watcher when he was around three.

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My grandmother before that was born eighth, you know, mid

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eighteen hundreds, and again she had the same same interactions.

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My dad was a hunter, trapper, doug roots, so he

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spent a lot of time in the woods. And I

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grew up on a three hundred acre farm and that's

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where I was. I was in the woods all the time.

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Everything we needed came from that farm or of course,

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you know the animals. We had a eleven acre berry

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patch orchards. You know, everything we needed came from the land.

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So I didn't have TVs. And mine was my grandmother

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reading me books and tell me stories, and my playground

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was the woods. So my dad, you know, I was

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six the first time I saw was actually digging roots

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with my dad, and he taught me respect for the

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watchers and how to interact with them safely helped me.

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You know, they're not here to harm me, and not that.

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You know, you always have to be cautious because they're

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not They're not your you know. It's not like they're

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my playmates and I'm going to go out there and

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play ball with them or something like that. That's not

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the way it works. But they are there for a reason.

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So over the last year again, I started doing this.

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I had not really shared any of my life experiences

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until a couple of years ago, and basically I did

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that because I started, you know, I discussed it with

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my elders and started doing this just for educational purposes.

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Whether anybody believes, that's entirely up to them. I know

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what I know. I'm not a researcher. I don't have

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to prove anything because I know what I know, and

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this is you know, that's just part of who I am.

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But with all the modern technology and all of our

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forests are being brought down, so the watchers, not only

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the watchers, but our other animals are bear you know,

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we got coyote, bear, bob kats, you know, the foxes.

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Everything is coming out into populated areas, the cougars, you know,

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we have mountain lions whatever. So it's getting more dangerous,

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you know, for the human population and for my watchers

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because the first thing, you know, people who who don't believe,

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and then all of a sudden you got a huge

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figure standing in your yard and you've got children, so

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it's going to terrify you. It's like, oh my god,

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what is that? What am I going to do? So

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I talked to a lot of people. It's like, you're

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going to shoot them. I'm going to shoot them. But

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that's not what has to happen. You can live. I've

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lived my whole life peacefully pretty much, and I did

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and my grandma did. So you can live together just

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like everybody can get along. Uh. I kind of explain

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it like you can, you know, have two neighbors and

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on one side as the best neighbor ever was, or

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do anything for you and you'll do. Then then on

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the other side you have a neighbor that's not so good.

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So it's kind of like that with the watchers. You know,

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we get the rugs coming through and uh, which had

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that That's why it happened to me. It's been a

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couple of weeks ago, there's migration. I don't know what's

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going on at this time. There's been a lot more

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interactions and a lot more activity, you know. And I'm

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in southeastern Ohio. It seems like their new ones are

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moving in. And I mean that happens periodically, you know.

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Sometimes it's not not real common, but they we do

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have new ones that will come through, and course then

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there's a battle for uh. Each one of my watchers

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that I call it, there have their own plans, their

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own family units. So when the new ones come in,

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there will be battles for the territory or for mates,

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or you know, there's different things that can happen. And

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at this time of year, the young ones are being

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born and it's mating seasons. So just like any other animals,

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there's squabbles and a couple of weeks ago. I have

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rules that I live by, but I do gifting and

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I'm a widow, so I'm used to traveling. I go

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to the woods. I do ten mile hikes. Sometimes I'll

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just hike back and I'll stay the night in my

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campsite or whatever. I always have. I'm not scared. I

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like the woods. I like being alone, and I don't

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feel you know, I don't feel scared because I know

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they're always there watching over me and protecting me. But

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on this night, it was a couple of weeks ago,

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and it's warming up. Of course, it's getting springtime and

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the weather's getting warm, and that night I just couldn't sleep.

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So one thirty in the morning, I broke my own rules.

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I decided, well, I'll just drive. There's a location I

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have to drive out through. It's a dirt road back

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into the woods. There's no houses. This is isolated. Basically

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drive up side of a like a cliff mountain, the

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dirt road that part of you know, the rocks are

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still sticking up out. There's gravel, but the road's not

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very good. So you run maybe twenty five miles in

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an hour. You know, it's top speed, but I have

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a four wheel drive. So at the location is where

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the cave system is, and it's also where they give

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birth or whatever. So of an area, and I will

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I have different things that I gift. I make the

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apple cakes or apples or fruit or vegetables, or sometimes

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I just take little shiny things and strips of cloth.

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They like that kind of stuff, and usually they give

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me something back, you know, I'll go back and they'll

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have left me rocks or different things. So it's just

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it's just our way of you know, interacting. But on

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this night I had you know, I went out and

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it's one thirty in the morning and it's pitch black.

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There was a full moon, and I got out and

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I taken I left the car running, I left the

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door open, and I decided, you know, I just got

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out with my stuff and I was carrying it over.

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There's like a concrete wall. They built a wall because

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the road is actually sliding. There's a big, huge down

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the side of a cliff because there's a cave system

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and it's undermining, so that's sliding down. So they put

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a wall there to kind of help hold the road

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because the road is still traveled, sparsely travel, but it

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is travel And I will set my stuff at the

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end of that wall because they come up from the

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cave system. And so I I had gotten out and

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as soon as I got out, I heard I have

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a form of communication with the watchers. I I sense

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what they feel and they feel, you know, they know

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what I'm feeling. But I can hear their thoughts. It's

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like mine speak type of thing. I hear it in

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my head, like a telepathic type thing. I heard this

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voice and at first I thought it was somebody yelling

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at me from across the road, and I hear, watch out,

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watch out, you know, and I'm looking around, and then

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I hear like crashing in the trees. There's a because

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it's a cedar grove, there's cedars in there, and I

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hear like crashing in the stick's crashing, and and then

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I heard the like the growls, and they have the

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vocals or the one they're fighting or whatever it changes

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is not their little hoops and I call it singing.

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This is almost it's like an elephant trumpeting. And the

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screams and I hear that, and I then all of

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a sudden, of course, I'm out away from the car,

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and this one steps out that I've never seen before. It's,

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you know, not any that I'm familiar with or you know,

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interacted with, and he is very angry and he's heading

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straight for me. So I just froze. Honestly, I just froze.

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I didn't know what to do. So basically I'm kind

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of which I don't you know. I've been trained, you know,

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to can chain my fear and my emotions because it's

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also something they feed on. But it's getting closer, and

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I'm terrified. And then from the woodline came the two

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old ones and they are well, the one I call grandfather,

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he's completely white. Now. He was my dad's watcher actually,

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which he's way over one hundred years old. My dad

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was born in nineteen twenty seven. Of course he's passed away,

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but this is his watcher because he would come and

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be with Dad before Dad passed away. I took care

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of him for the last two years of his life,

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and he would actually come and just kind of stand

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at night time and watch the house while cared for Dad.

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But there was him and then another one of the

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old ones. They basically attacked. It took both of them

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to take the young one down because he's big and

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he's massive. And that gave me the chance to get

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back into my car. And then of course now I

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have to travel like forty five miles down the side

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of this hillside the cliffs, and I have to go

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at a slow speed. I can't and but my terror

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was I'm sorry, I get a little emotional at this

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point because they're fighting and my tail light's light up

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and I can see them there, and I see my

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old one, my dad's you know, he's old and I've

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seen him go down and you know, the first he

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means a lot to me because that's part of my dad.

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If I would, you know, it's just the way it is.

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It's like I'm looking at my grandfather and I actually

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hit the brakes and I thought and then in common sense,

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hit me. And it's like, no, they're giving your life

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to let you go, to get you out of here,

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so don't disrespect them, you know, get going, don't stop.

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Get going. So I had to travel out and get

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down and I'm crying. It's so hard, I can't see,

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and it's you know, it's dark. The moon is shining,

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but it's dark, and I had lights and I'm just

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going down this dirt dirt dude, it's just dense trees

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all around, like you would drive through the forest and

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you got a dirt road. That's how it is. And

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so I got to get down to the other road,

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which is another vacant it's paved road now, but the

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conservancy owns it. So all the homes and the farms

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there are no more. They've sold them out and there's

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no one lives there, which was part of my old

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home where I raised my kids out my dad's old farm,

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and then my farm connected his, and I have to

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travel up another seven miles to get to the main

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highway before I end. Then I got to get on

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home to my house where I live, and I was

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so terrified, you know, I'm still I searched, and I

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so heartbroken because I thought, you know, I couldn't find him.

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I could always sense him or feel him, and I couldn't,

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so I thought, you know, he's dead, you know, I

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thought for sure I lost him, and honestly, I grieved

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so And then there's another couple that I'm kind of training,

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and they come and we go out together, and they're

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a young couple. When I'm hoping that because I'm getting

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older and I want somebody to take my place in

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life when I'm gone. I want somebody to be here

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to continue on caring for our burial mounds and caring

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for you know, the interactions with the watchers and hopefully

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carry on just education and to hopefully keep everybody safe,

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you know, not just my watchers, but the humans and

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the families that's moving in, that's our goal. So they

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had went. There's a cemetery where they hang out a lot.

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The cemetery is an old from late seventeen hundreds, early

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eighteen hundreds, and they still the watchers hang out at

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the cemeteries because even though the person that's passed away,

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they I think they sense where, they know where they're at,

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they know that's where their body had been or whatever,

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so they will hang out there and they watch over.

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And so they were there and they actually picked him up.

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They were video and and Rick and Mandy Steltoner that's surname.

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And Rick sent me the video and he says, look, look, look,

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I can look what I see. And there was a

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flash of my old my old grandfather, and I seen him.

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He's moving slow, but he was up moving, which made

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my heart, you know, I got joy in my heart

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just to be able to know he was alive. And

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then I waited up a couple more days and then

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I went and then I found him myself. It's not

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like I go and hug him. That's not how it works. Well,

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I don't do that, but I can go and I'll

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bring something and he will step out for me to see,

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and he recognizes me, and I recognize him. It's just

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a not that, you know, this was a very serious. Uh.

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I could have died that night, you know. Honestly, I

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am amazed that in my heart I thought this is it.

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I thought, this is it, you know, this is going

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to be my doing me in uh. And if it wasn't, honestly,

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if it had not been for those two that intervened

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on my part and thought they fought for my life,

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you know, I mean they were probably they were probably

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in a battle to begin with, as probably reason they

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were because this new one on top of that cave,

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the females are down in there. So it was you know,

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a very very bad situation to begin with. And then

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I was I felt so guilty because I thought, you know,

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if I hadn't went there or did that, maybe you know,

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maybe I caused it to be more violent than it

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was before. So I had that guilt in my heart.

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And it's still bothers me that my old one, you know,

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he got hurt. But the other thing was with Mandy

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and Rick. They also picked up another picture of just

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like the face and the shoulders from the cemetery of

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the of the other one, which is amazing that he's alive.

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He does not look very good. His nose is split

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in almost in half. The it's like a prize fighter

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and the eye and so he's beat up pretty good too.

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But he's still there. And it seems like there's two

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that the old ones, uh my, my clans here have

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accepted they've ran off. I'm not the other ones, because

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there was like six new ones that came in. I'm

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not seeing the other ones, but these two are being submissive,

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and so I guess the battle, you know, the old

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ones won. They won one more time. However many times

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that's going to happen because they are getting really old.

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But then because I've I've seen him a couple of times,

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and and my old ones, they they keep them back

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away from me. They don't let them anywhere. But because

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I can't hear I'm beginning to hear the new one's thoughts.

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I couldn't do it to begin with my old one, yes,

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but not the new ones. But now it's kind of

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like I'm picking up little brief words here and there.

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And what was kind of concerning because I heard in

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the thought pattern or in my you know, and the

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one says she smells good, and I'm like, does he

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mean I smell good like a good person? Or does

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he mean I smell good like he wants to eat me? So,

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because it is a violent situation, it's not a you know,

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it's not like he's my friend. He's still very leary,

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not just me. There's a lot more people that's interacting

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and seeing and they're having a little more violence.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I guess with the new ones. The old ones that's here,

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they don't they see them or whatever, but they're not

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so apt to harm or or you know, do stuff

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that these new ones are not from here and there.

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It's different things. The other thing that I had, I

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think I talked about this in the last show that

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I did was my hike and seeing the dog Men.

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I believe I spoke about that for the first time.

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I never believed in the dog Men. I thought it

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was just a myth because I've heard the lores and

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legends from my Shawnee Elders, the old medicine men and

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the stories, and I honestly thought it was, you know,

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kind of like the warriors that were just maybe the

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medicine men. I did something to make them battle a

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little hard, you know, a little fiercer like the dog soldiers,

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which is another Those are warriors. They are native warriors,

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and they teeter theirselves down. They fight to the death.

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They either win or they die. They do not turn

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theirselves loose for any reason. And I thought, well, maybe

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that's what when they spoke of the dog man, that's

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what they were talking about. But then when I did

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that hike and I seen that, and I still had

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questions in my mind. We you know, we did that

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six mile hike back in the woods, mean the two

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other girls, and it was a good evening. You know,

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we'd had fun all day I had. We heard some

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knocks and seen some different some footprints and different stuff.

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It wasn't even my area. It's probably almost two hours

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from where I live. I went to the other girls

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area something she wanted to show me, you know, just

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for a hike. We had a great time. Big old tree,

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hollow tree, we played, you know, I took pictures, acted crazy,

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got inside, got stuck, you know, just crazy stuff that

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when we were leaving, come down that trail, we saw that.

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I saw it first. I thought it was a big

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tom turkey, you know, because it was so far away,

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it's just like it's big black gob and I was like,

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what in the world. And then the second girl she

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saw it, and then she's like, I don't know what

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is that. Of course I don't carry my phone or

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anything with me. I don't have a camera or nothing.

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They have phones. I have junk phones. I don't fill

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with phones too much. So she tried taking a picture

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and she couldn't get it. She's like, I don't know

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what it is, but I can't bring it in close enough.

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So we went further. Of course I carry a gun.

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I do one because there's snakes and the coyotes and

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you know, just for protection. But back in the woods.

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But we had to travel that trail to get out.

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There's only one way in and one way out. You

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don't have any other you have no other way out.

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You have to go that way. So we kept moving,

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and you know, we're getting a little concerned now because

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as farther closer we get, the bigger this thing is getting.

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And we talked about it's like it had like like

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a German shepherd head. So we're like, you know, did

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somebody throw a dog out because we're in the woods.

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You know, did somebody you know, abandon a dog? What

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is that? And then we're worried about is the dog mean?

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And of course I walked with a walking stick, and

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of course I was the oldest one in a bunch

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that the other two girls are younger, and the ones like,

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I'm gonna give me a stick. So she did. She

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found them. But by that time I pulled my pouch around.

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Then you know, I have I have a three eighty

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and I carry extra clips for it, and I just

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wanted to have it working at my hand on it,

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and I did. But then we went one down farther

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and there was a dough deer on the side of

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the trail, and she jumped She's been laying there. She

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jumped up and ran off to the right. And but

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now this thing, we can see it, and it's like

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on the ground, like like a dog tracking your nose

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to the ground, like it's sniffing and tracking. And I

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was like, oh my god, it's a huge dog looking tight.

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And you know, now we're you know, we're really concerned

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because you know, we don't know is this thing going

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to be is it going to be violent? Is it,

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you know, is it mean or what? And then we

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got close enough, you know, where we could see it good.

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And then it came up on two feet. Uh. You know,

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I'm like, god, uh, I'm like in my mind, I

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can't even rationalize what I'm seeing. And she's looking at me,

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you know, the one girl's looking at the other one.

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The third girl has seen it, but she's kind of

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like shock type thing. She's kind of a little bit

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in the shock, and but the you know, she's like, uh, well,

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you know, we're kind of speechless, and it's like, oh

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my gosh. Now I think, well, maybe somebody's throwing a

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ball making it jump up. But then I realized it's walking.

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It's walking on two legs. And then it went to

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the right into the woods line where the deer had went.

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And now we have to pass there. There's no way,

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Like I said, there's no way. Everything went silent. There

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wasn't a bird, there wasn't an insect. Every hair on

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my head stood up on my neck, you know, cold chills,

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like oh my god, I'm on high alert. But now

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by this time, I've done, you know, I've done clicked

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my safety off and I got my hand in there.

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I'm like, you know, this at three eighty is not

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going to handle the size of this thing because it's

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man's size. It's huge, and it's up on two legs.

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So we get up there and we had to crawl over.

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There was a log across the road. He had crawled

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over it when we came in, so we had to

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crawl back over. And we're getting up and there was

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like fifty feet to where the car was, and I

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have my daughter's new car, which you know, you just

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hit the clicker and unlocked the door, and I'm hitting

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it and I'm hitting it and I'm hitting it and

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it won't unlock. And then the one girl, she's like,

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I got a pee. I got a pee. I got

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a pee. She's like, you know there was because it's

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a park area. And it's just like I said, there's

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no way. I said, just pee wherever you want to.

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I'm getting in a car because there's no way. I'm

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like it, don't go, you know, don't go towards the bathroom.

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You know it's farther away from the car. You don't

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want to get in the car. And finally I had

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to take the key, and you know what, the new cars.

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You got to ring in my robe, and even with

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a key to unlocked the door, it's like a horror movie.

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And I got it unlocked and we got in and

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it's like, she's like, what did we just see? What

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was that? I don't know? I mean, she's like, do

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we just see a dog? Man? I don't know. I'm

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still I'm still in shock and doubt. And but in

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this same area, this was like last year, and then

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in January of this year, in the same area, this

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was a deputy sheriff and he actually told his story.

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It's the same area where we saw this, and he

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was coming home from, you know, from work, and he

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I've never met the man. I don't know him. I've

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never seen him. He never talked to me. I never

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shared my story with him. But he described the exact

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same thing that we saw and basically the same area,

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you know, standing beside the road by a guardrail, which

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you know, it shook him up pretty good too. I

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guess he saw it turn around to come back and uh.

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But he shared his story and I'm like, wow, he

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saw the same thing we saw. Uh, so it has

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to be something. But then after that time again I

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had like I said, I hot, I go back into

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the woods of my own area where I go to camp,

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and I'd go back, and I'd spent the night that night,

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and I have like the little Goat Edinburgh, you know it,

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it records front and back. And I was walking away

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and I didn't I didn't see anything. I didn't sense anything,

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I didn't smell anything. And I, you know, just a

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couple of days later, I was going through my my

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pictures or whatever. I always liked to look see it

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because there's turkeys back there, and you know, there's owls.

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I love the owls and the whipper wheels. Everybody hates

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whipper wheels. I love whipper wheels. And you know, it's

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just we have there is a few bob Whites, believe

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it or not that I don't know how they have survived.

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We actually had. We have plant life here that does

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not grow anywhere else, and birds that's seen anywhere else

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in the world, and this is the conservacy are helping

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to preserve all of that. And we also have a

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wood rat. I don't know why they're wanting to keep those,

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but I'm not real thrilled on rats. You know. In

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my video, basically that's what I was looking for was

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that kind of stuff standing on the cliff. There is

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a clear picture. It is not my watcher. This is

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it has the pointed ears of the dog. It is

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the curved legs, standing on two legs, massive standing up

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looking down, basically watching me walk under the cliff.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

471
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,119
Speaker 1: In a way. It didn't try to you know, it

472
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,160
didn't try to harm me. It didn't growl, it didn't

473
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,000
do any kind of I had heard howls the night

474
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:13,920
before which I thought were coyotes, and I actually did

475
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,440
pick it up on UH on my audio. I got

476
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:20,839
some vocals of it, and i'd send it to Tim

477
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,359
Vogel is a researcher that I'd speak to him. I

478
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,240
kind of met him when I was doing the podcast.

479
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,279
I met him, and I'll ask him stuff because he's

480
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,599
a really nice man. He's always he's been very helpful

481
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,559
and very supportive of me. And if I if I

482
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,920
send him something or ask him something, he'll tell me,

483
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,880
you know, either that is just nothing, whatsoever. It's a

484
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,759
piece of Garphy's or whatever, do this this. So he's

485
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:49,680
always been very very honest and talking to Tim, I'd

486
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,079
send him that recording of the how and he said,

487
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:57,319
that's not a coyote. He said, that's a wolf. He's like,

488
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,799
those are a wolf, howse, which we don't really in

489
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,240
this area, we don't really have wolves. There was some

490
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:11,880
that a man was breeding, like highbreds with the husky

491
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,680
dogs he had, you know, he had the male wolf,

492
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,599
you know, timberwolf, and he was breeding him with the huskies.

493
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,880
He was selling them and he you know, they came out.

494
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,279
He guy in travel and instead of he wouldn't let

495
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:27,920
him have these animals, he just opened the cages. He

496
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
had big kennels and they were very well cared for.

497
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,279
They were not neglected in any way, but he turned

498
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:38,480
them loose. So we do have you know, we have

499
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,960
highbreds that's running. You don't see him very often, but

500
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:46,079
you know, we we do have some. So I thought, well,

501
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,920
maybe that's why I picked up. Maybe there was one

502
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,640
of them. But that's what you know, he told me.

503
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,279
He's like, there's a wolf house and he said that's

504
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,400
and it's not any kind of a wood because he

505
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,839
is a uh he guides, you know, he he's a woodsman,

506
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,599
so he does a lot of you know, he's in

507
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,799
the woods, so he knows his stuff and he said,

508
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,279
that's a wolf. He says, it's not really any wolf

509
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,599
that I you know, the kind of whiff that I've heard.

510
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,960
He said, that is something different, but that is a wolf.

511
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:22,920
So evidently we do have you know, people has a

512
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,160
couple of times it's not the watchers are seeing they're

513
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,359
seeing this other, these other creatures which I in all

514
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,359
my life, my all my years have been in the

515
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,759
woods and up until that point, I've never saw anything

516
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:44,519
like that. So I don't have an explanation for what's

517
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,880
going on. I just know that it seems like things

518
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:55,200
are changing, and not just you know, more interactions here

519
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,200
the like like I said, with the watchers and their clans,

520
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:05,680
there's probably six different plans that live here. They don't leave,

521
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:10,200
they live in the cave systems. People say, you know

522
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:14,720
they migrate in the wintertime. No, because there's plenty of

523
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,480
food here. You know, there's a deer, and there's turkey,

524
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:21,079
and and then there's farm animals and nothing else. But

525
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,839
you know, I have poultry farmside chain. They love ducks.

526
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:27,839
They've wiped out my ducks that they don't bother the

527
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,440
other stuff, but they have taken my ducks. And course

528
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:35,640
the creeks have the there's plenty of fish and the

529
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,000
crawl dads and then the little turtles, you know that

530
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,960
kind of stuff. So I find their footprints in I

531
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:48,240
have the waterfalls. I have a waterfalls where we've found

532
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:53,799
some really interesting different things. Like my grandson found it

533
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,200
is bigger than a dinner plate. I mean like a

534
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,160
like a big almost size of a serving plate. It

535
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,039
is a petrified I don't know if it's a hand

536
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,760
or a foot. You can see the fingers and the nails.

537
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,639
There's like three things. There's like three fingers and a

538
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,519
thumb or whatever. Or to me it looks more like

539
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:22,960
a hand instead of a foot. But I just speak

540
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,800
to there's it's called the House of Phaeops and that's

541
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,159
what they do is all kinds of different rocks and

542
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,760
like the horn coil in which we have massive amount

543
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,199
of horn coral here. And he's like, you know, that's prehistoric.

544
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,119
So I'm not sure. I'm not sure what it is.

545
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,480
But in that waterfalls is also where I found last year.

546
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,320
Well it's beginning of spring last year. My son I

547
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,840
hadn't been out and he went with me and we

548
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,320
were just walking, you know, we just did a hike

549
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:02,320
and we looked in of course there's waterfall and there's foliage.

550
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,519
You know, there's sand, and of course the water runs through.

551
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,559
And he's like, what is that if something's sticking up

552
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,920
out of the ground. I looked. I said, it looks

553
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:18,440
like hair. So he started pulling the hair and he

554
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:23,920
pulled out and then again Tim Vogel's voice popped in

555
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,199
my head because I don't think about you know, I'm

556
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,320
not a researcher. I don't think about that kind of stuff.

557
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,480
And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, you know, if that

558
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,039
is something we're messing up DNA, so you know, stop.

559
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,880
There's no skin on it. This is just hair, like

560
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,719
you know, like dreadlock hair. It's very hoarse, coarse and

561
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,000
thick and matted. Of course there's sticks in the air.

562
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,719
And it would be like if a human being grew

563
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,920
their hair, a massive human being grew their hair and

564
00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,159
never combed it or watched it or processed it her

565
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:06,360
whole life. That's what it would be like. So he

566
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,119
pulled that out and we put it in a backpack

567
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,840
and I brought it home and I had put it,

568
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,320
laid it over a chair. I was like, oh my god,

569
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,320
how big is this because it's like six foot long

570
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,760
and it's about two feet white, and it was of

571
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,760
course it was wet, and it's stink. Oh my god,

572
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,920
it's think horrible. It's not like skunk and wet dog,

573
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,880
and you know it was it was bid stink. And

574
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,039
so I left it. And then the next morning I thought, well,

575
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,639
I want to lay it out, So I put plastic

576
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,280
down on my couch. I want to lay it out

577
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,199
just to you know, to measure it, to get the

578
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,280
exact measurement on it. And I want to take more

579
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,199
pictures because I took like two pictures when I brought

580
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,880
it in wet, but when I laid it out and

581
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,719
it was dry, it would not. I couldn't take a picture.

582
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,039
It wouldn't let me take a picture. I took a

583
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,119
picture of everything out in the house. I took a camera,

584
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,760
tried a camera, tried my phone, but not let me

585
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:13,320
do it. So I I'm like, what, you know, what

586
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:20,360
the heck? Why is that not? I couldn't explain it.

587
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,639
But then again there was more left there. So we

588
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,039
waited a while. It was probably a month before we

589
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:33,480
went back, and this time we took rubber gloves. I

590
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,440
told him. I was like, well, well, I had a

591
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:38,960
big plastic case and I said, we'll take gloves. That way,

592
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:42,039
we won't touch it and mess up anything. You know,

593
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,800
it's a different color. The first bunch is like brown

594
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,599
and black, like it has some red streaks in it,

595
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:56,159
and then the other is like white and it's got

596
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:59,800
brown in the red streaks, but it's got white in it.

597
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,440
Again about the same amount, not the same length and stuff,

598
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,639
same texture. I took it to a taxidermist that I trust,

599
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,039
I'm known for years, and I ask him, you know,

600
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,880
what could it be because he's very you know, he's

601
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,559
been doing this for a lot of years and he's

602
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,360
very good at what he does. And he's like, I

603
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,280
don't know, I'm never seen you know, He's said the

604
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,079
closest thing I would say it would be like a

605
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,599
b below or buffalo, but it's too much, you know,

606
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,639
it's it would kind of like that, not that. So

607
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,480
he's like, I don't know what you have. So I

608
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,559
don't know where it came from or you know, because

609
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:48,239
there's no skin, it's just hair. But in this area,

610
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,639
like I said, from this waterfalls, we found different stuff.

611
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,280
And then again I was talking to another it was

612
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,920
a researcher and he's you know, it's so do you

613
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,960
having ideas? And he said, well, you know when the

614
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,480
animal passes away, like a deer or whatever, and they

615
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:10,360
get into the water and the water runs them, you know,

616
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,480
the hair slough off. That's true because it's like tang.

617
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:19,000
Because tan, like we will dear. We process everything I use.

618
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:20,000
We tan the hide.

619
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

620
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: We use horns, you know for knife handles and buttons,

621
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,599
and pull the sinew. We use the sinew to wrap

622
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:33,119
with and the leg bones. My son makes the bone knives,

623
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,039
you know, like the old the Shawnee bone knives the

624
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:40,480
old time. Uh. So we use everything. There's nothing that

625
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:44,159
goes to waste because if that animal gave its life,

626
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,440
then you honor it and you you know, you don't

627
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,480
disrepect it. You use everything. It gave us life for you.

628
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,519
So it's meat for you to eat, but the materials

629
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:57,440
are for use for other things. When you tan a hide,

630
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:01,159
you know, you you take the hair off, and it's

631
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:04,320
a water process of that too. So like, well that

632
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,039
makes sense. Maybe whatever it was was in that waterfalls

633
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:12,360
or up the creek, or and we'd had some flooding,

634
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:16,239
so maybe or maybe it was a burial and it

635
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,320
ran through it and it literally washed the hare, you know,

636
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,840
off of I'm there's nowhere for me, there's nowhere for

637
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,239
me to send things for DNA. And then I've been

638
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,679
told don't do it anyway because there's no reputable place

639
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,920
you send stuff, you never get it back or you know,

640
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,760
even if it was just a small amount or whatever.

641
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:49,000
But so I'm not sure whether that, you know, I question,

642
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,880
is it one of my watchers, you know, was one

643
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,119
of the old ones that passed away? Did it? Or

644
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,239
was it one of these other creatures you know fighting

645
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,960
did they up in the water, and you know, so

646
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,400
I do have questions on that. Yeah, I'm I realish

647
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:12,119
any answer anybody can give me or you know, I'm

648
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:18,719
I'm up for. Uh, everybody has an opinion, and you know,

649
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,280
if you put your thoughts together. I think if everybody

650
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,760
worked together, we would get a whole lot more production,

651
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,280
you know, and a lot more answers. I mean, I

652
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,880
know things, other people know things, and if we put

653
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,440
them together, I think we could figure out you know,

654
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,039
I think it would be better.

655
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,599
Speaker 2: So but.

656
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,039
Speaker 1: Just you know, human nature, Yeah.

657
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: A human nature is right if you've had a big

658
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:48,880
Foot Sighting, and I would like to be a guest.

659
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,960
Please go to bigfoote witness dot com and let me

660
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,760
know when the watch you call grandfather and the other

661
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,360
old watch received you from that rogue. Did the words

662
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,639
watch out, watch out sound loud in your head or

663
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:04,800
did you hear them in normal volume?

664
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: No, they were shouting, you know, like warning me, watch out,

665
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,559
watch out. You know it was a warning. It's when

666
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:18,239
I thought I thought, you know, I actually thought there

667
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,880
was a person because the voice is gruff. It's you know,

668
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:26,280
it's it's like a male voice, but it's like gruff.

669
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,440
The you know, I knew what the words were saying,

670
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:33,079
but it's not like your voice talking to me. These

671
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:36,199
are you know, the voices are gruff. Now I've heard

672
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,960
them before. Her different sounds I hear, like the Shawnee.

673
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:48,719
I have the ancient Shawnee language, you know, from the

674
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,400
real Shawnee language, the ancient Shawnee, not the Shawnee language

675
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,039
that you go online and look up or whatever. I

676
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:01,159
have the original ancient Shawnee language, and I will hear

677
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,239
different words or sounds. I think it's where they have

678
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,599
communicated and passed down that there's you know, but this

679
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,760
was English. This was not Shawnee that said watch out.

680
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,360
This was English. So but it was the voice is

681
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:24,119
very like gruff, uh, you know, but I knew what

682
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,119
it was saying. You know, it was warning me, watch out,

683
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:31,400
watch out. And I'm like, but then it was just seconds,

684
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:34,679
you know, it's screaming and then seconds I'm right there

685
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,679
in the line of fire. And in all my life,

686
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:47,400
I've never I've never seen that degree of violence. And

687
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,599
to know, you know, I honestly in my heart, I

688
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,199
knew it meant to kill me. I think it meant

689
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,960
to you know, I was in this way. It was

690
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:01,079
mad whatever it was, you know, the fighting there. Like

691
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:06,239
I said, this is a very sensitive time because that's

692
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,920
the other thing people always ask me about. And they

693
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:14,280
leave urine behind. You know, I've seen it and you

694
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,760
smell it. It's different. It's just like a thick, syrupy

695
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:23,800
like almost, and it has an odor to it. So

696
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,280
in the one area, I have a barn, It's an

697
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,199
old abandoned tobacco barn, and I call it the Hidden

698
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:35,119
pond because that pond has the big old snapping turtles

699
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:37,599
in it, you know, and it's plum full of fish

700
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,400
of all kind and it sets back in the woods

701
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:45,760
and nobody really goes there, but they use that area.

702
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,159
And I use that barn. I have a table and

703
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,920
stuff set up in there, and I'll take you know,

704
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,480
different foods back there and leave it, you know, like

705
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,480
I grow a garden, so I have leftover like punkin

706
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:01,360
and squash and you know, cucumbers, whatever. I'll take a

707
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,000
portion up back there and just put it out for them.

708
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,360
But they when they come in, of course, you know

709
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,360
in an old barn, the floor is just dust and dirt.

710
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,079
You know, it's just a dirt floor. So the foot

711
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:20,679
prints are there where they come in, and then the

712
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,960
trails through the high grass that leads into the barn,

713
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:29,239
you can track them through it. And my granddaughter, one

714
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,360
of my granddaughters, had graduated. This has been a few

715
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,719
years ago, and that's what they was going to go

716
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,159
back to the pond. Her and there's like three girls

717
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,400
and that was their big idea for their graduation thing.

718
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,400
They was going back there in camp and her dad, now,

719
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:47,519
their dad will not go back in there. He grew

720
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:50,519
up in that area. He is terrified and he'll tell you,

721
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,920
so he'll mow a trail in for me, but he

722
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,719
does it very quickly. If it's night time or dark,

723
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,039
he will not set foot back in there. He's like, no, no, no,

724
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,639
He's like, I've heard too many things back there. I

725
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,840
don't like the things that moves back there. So but

726
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,199
the girls, you know, they were gonna be big and brave.

727
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,719
I tell it's funny story. And of course they're eighteen,

728
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,519
you know, they just graduated, and so they go back

729
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:20,599
set up their camp and put up their tenth and

730
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,079
do all this stuff. And then it gets dark and

731
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:28,119
they had four wheelers they brought came back in four

732
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:35,719
wheelers and they left everything behind. So it was She's

733
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,360
like it started out with like the coyotes howling, and

734
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,840
then then she's like, then we hear this. It's funny

735
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,559
because the ones vocal sounds like a train. It would

736
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:50,639
just go oh, you know, it goes on and on

737
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,320
and on, and she's like, I don't know, Dad's right.

738
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,400
She's like, there's something back there there, really is you

739
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,760
always told is. So that was their their big experience

740
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,280
on uh where graduation did not go so well.

741
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it didn't hold it down. It doesn't

742
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,199
seem like sasquatch do anything without having a reason for it.

743
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,079
With that in mind, why do you think it was

744
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:22,159
that that root came after you that night the.

745
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:26,519
Speaker 1: Way he did. I think he was new, you know,

746
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:28,960
he didn't know me. He was new to the area.

747
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:33,880
They were fighting, like I said, because when the hate,

748
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,639
you've got the females. You know, it's breeding time and

749
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,519
they're here. They're in clans, and they are in pairs.

750
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,119
They you know, they pair. It's not like they have

751
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,519
this big group they have. It's a couple that you know,

752
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,119
just it's not I kind of explain it like you know,

753
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,159
like the wolves made for life, you know, and they're

754
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,880
they're It's what I see here is when you see

755
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,360
the male and female in a family unit, those are

756
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,960
the same male and female and their children. Then you've

757
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,880
got the rugue coming in and he's fighting for territory,

758
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:16,599
and there's the females are giving birth in those caves.

759
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,639
But then you've got the young females. They're for breeding.

760
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,159
You know, it's time for them to so they can

761
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,000
smell that. You know. It's kind of like you know

762
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:31,239
when when a dog goes in heat. And don't mean

763
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,239
to be crude or anything, you know about that but

764
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,360
you know, the other the male dogs come, you know,

765
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,760
they can, they'll travel for miles they smell that female,

766
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,159
and it's kind of like that too. So the old

767
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,920
ones are usually the sentries. They're up to the top

768
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:52,000
and they guard the you know, they're guarding those caves.

769
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,800
So I believe he came in. He probably smelled the

770
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,360
females and he sends them and he was there and

771
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:10,239
he just was outmatched. But honestly, I was my old one.

772
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,000
He's down to like three toes and he is he

773
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:19,360
is old and very fierce, but he's still you know,

774
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,480
his age, and the young ones are you know, of

775
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,840
course they're going to be stronger. You know, the older

776
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,719
he gets, the more weak he's going to get. He

777
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,079
still held his own this time. But I think that

778
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,159
was what it was. And when I stopped, I just

779
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,599
kind of was in the wrong place at the wrong time,

780
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,679
and he didn't. Basically, I don't know, maybe he just

781
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,039
you know, he was I was just in the way,

782
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,760
you know. That's I don't feel like it was. I

783
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,760
don't feel any animosity towards it because basically, you know,

784
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,239
I was out in the woods by myself and I

785
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,280
was in the wrong place. It's a wrong time. That's

786
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,079
kind of how I feel about it, but I do,

787
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,719
you know, I thank God every day, you know, for

788
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,320
the ones that was there too. But they've protected me before.

789
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,800
You know, they've did things before that has protected me.

790
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:25,559
So they're always all here warning you know, snakes. They've

791
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,639
warned me away, you know, when there's something dangerous that's

792
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:31,280
gonna You know, I grew up in the woods as

793
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,639
a kid, so I played in those woods and I

794
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,320
would you know, they protected me, They really did. Dad

795
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,519
taught me, and it's like basically, you leave them alone,

796
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:44,719
they'll leave you alone. You respect them, they'll respect you.

797
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:47,960
You watch out for them, they'll watch out for you.

798
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,159
And that's you know, how I have been taught and

799
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:56,159
that's how I live and I still do when I

800
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,360
go out. You know, it's like my first instinct that

801
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:03,360
night was stop to help them, And then I'm like,

802
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,719
what am I going to do? There's no there's no

803
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,840
human being going to battle them and win. There is not.

804
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,559
I don't care what kind of gun you got. You

805
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:17,000
might make noise, you might scare them away, but to win, no,

806
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,800
there's no one going to fight them physically and win.

807
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:24,800
I don't care what anybody says seeing them, that is

808
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:30,559
not possible. They can be right there. That's the other thing.

809
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,360
It's like with the hair I talked about and how

810
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:39,280
you can't get a picture. It's like them, you know,

811
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,679
and they try to get them on like the well

812
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,760
not the infer the heat thing. You know. They'll say, well,

813
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,159
we can't get them on the heat. You know, we're

814
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:50,000
trying to get the I don't even know what it's called,

815
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,719
because I don't have one what you called like the

816
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,159
cant or the thing that shows the heat, like if

817
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,280
you're light up, you know, in the night time, you

818
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,360
see your body heat. And I was like, well, why

819
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,199
can't you get it? And then I had actually talked

820
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,920
to it's an old soldier, you know, it's an old veteran,

821
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,719
because I work with a veteran. And he said, do

822
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,559
you ever think about you know, like when we're out there,

823
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:20,920
they give them those those blanket things they put over

824
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:25,199
them that shields them so when they're trying to find them,

825
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:29,599
they can't pick up their their body heat because it's

826
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:32,119
like a silver blanket like thing they use. He told me,

827
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:34,119
he showed it to me, he had one, so you

828
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:35,960
put this on. He said, then you put it hit

829
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:39,000
me with that, and he'said, see, can't see my body heat? Right,

830
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,480
he said, what about them? He said, what about if

831
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:47,679
they're fur you know, their hair repels like that, just

832
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,360
like they shimmer like they're standing in the woods, they

833
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,960
step out, you see them, they step back and turn.

834
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:57,119
You don't see them them more, not that they're not there,

835
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,760
that they you know, they have not left, but you

836
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,039
can see him. So well that makes sense, you know.

837
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:09,079
So I actually had talked to well Rick Stultner about

838
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:10,559
that too, and he's like, you know, that's a good idea.

839
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:14,719
Maybe we should like experiment and see. Uh you know

840
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,320
if I was like, well I did with him, and

841
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,199
that I don't know what the terminology is for it,

842
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,920
but it's not it's not the infrared so much as

843
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,800
the thing that does the heat, the body heat thing.

844
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:33,360
So like, okay, that was just one other thing, you know,

845
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:35,800
I'll try to come up with theories for this or that.

846
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:39,840
And well, it kind of makes sense if.

847
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,679
Speaker 2: You watch the woods around your property with technology like

848
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,039
that on a regular basis. I can only imagine what

849
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:48,920
you might see with all the activity going on around there.

850
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: Well, I've gotten the one picture I got, which I

851
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,800
didn't even wasn't trying to get anything. It was in

852
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,760
my big house, which was my bedroom was all glad.

853
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,119
I had like plate glass windows. But I had moved

854
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:10,199
down when I took care of Mom and Dad because Dad,

855
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,280
i'd get him closer for like the squads and whatever.

856
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,440
So I got the cabins. In the cabin that I'm

857
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,360
in right now, I'd taken a little bedroom and I

858
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,320
turned it into a bathroom. But I had the sliding doors,

859
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,320
you know, because I have a creek directly like ten

860
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,840
feet from the back of my house. There's the creek

861
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,320
you go down and then it's woods's that's how it is.

862
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,119
And I thought it was coyotes. That night, I left

863
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,840
that window open and I went into the bathroom and

864
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,159
I thought, oh crap, I left that open. A mosquite

865
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,719
is gonna come in off the creek. But then I

866
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,760
smelt like the wet dog the coyo. I thought, well,

867
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,599
it's coyotes. They must be right there in the creek

868
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:54,639
by the house. And I just stuck my phone out

869
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:56,639
the window and I snapped two pictures that night with

870
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,360
my phone, and again under paid attention was went back

871
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,239
to what I was doing. And the next morning I

872
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,639
was going through my pictures and lo and behold with

873
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,039
probably within you know, just ten feet of where my

874
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:11,800
hand was where I snapped that picture. I got his face,

875
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,320
his face, his shoulder, his arm, you know, he's literally

876
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:24,599
right there. It's like, oh, I get I'll get rocks through,

877
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,519
not big rocks. But sometimes he likes to get attention,

878
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,880
so he'll like it's a young one. Actually he's young,

879
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:35,880
and he'll like pitch a rock or stick or when

880
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,679
he was he's getting big now, but when he was younger,

881
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,559
he would actually climb from the tree that's in the

882
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:45,400
back and step over onto the roof. And of course,

883
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,760
like I said, I have a cabin, I have a

884
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,519
loft area, but because there's not you know, this isn't

885
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:55,519
a big house, and you would see like it's like

886
00:55:56,519 --> 00:56:00,480
my ceiling was like, please get off my roof. I'm

887
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,679
afraid of nighttime because I I'm mine by myself. So

888
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,960
I just first I thought what and the heck, but

889
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:11,280
then the weight of it. But he didn't hurt anything.

890
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,000
It was basically just kind of like a curious.

891
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,639
Speaker 2: Kid, you know, Thank goodness, he didn't hurt anything. He's

892
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,079
definitely got the weight to crash right through if he's

893
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:24,440
not careful. So, thank goodness that didn't happen.

894
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: He's quit getting onto the roof. I think he's a

895
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,480
little too big now, but that was. They grow at

896
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:37,039
a lot faster rate than we do, so he's still young,

897
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,000
but he's you know, he's getting bigger.

898
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that about them. I can only imagine

899
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:47,119
enough fast they do grow. When you saw him after

900
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,079
the night that he saved you, you said the grandfather

901
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,360
was moving slowly, but being as old as he is,

902
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:57,480
did he seem to be having trouble getting around even

903
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:58,320
before that night.

904
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: Well, he is getting older and he doesn't you know,

905
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,559
he don't move like a young one. But he was

906
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:08,119
definitely hurt, you know, he was definitely he's beat up,

907
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,639
you know he wasn't. They're very you know when they fight,

908
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,519
it's not it's a very violent thing. So, I mean

909
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:26,519
they bite. Their bite is very very bad. You know,

910
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,760
it's it's huge and it's their their mouth is now

911
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,440
you know when they open it, their head is big.

912
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:39,679
So it's not like but their teeth, you know, they

913
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:45,639
have more. They don't have like fang type teeth like

914
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,000
you know, adult or whatever. But they do have like

915
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:52,679
we have the eye teeth, you know, the the more

916
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:56,679
sharper on the side, and they have that, but there's

917
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,920
is a lot bigger. So they make a pretty good puncture.

918
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:08,480
But it's just you know, so yeah, when they fight,

919
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:13,719
it's nothing. There's nothing general about it at all.

920
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure. Yeah, I've heard stories about people seeing

921
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,760
them fight, and yeah, it didn't sound pretty at all.

922
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: They literally will tear huge trees out, you know, they do.

923
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: Oh, that's what I've heard. If you'd like to be

924
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925
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927
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:46,039
When Grandfather and that other watcher stop the rogue from

928
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,719
getting to you that night, I don't want to put

929
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,880
words into your mouth. I want to make sure understood

930
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,920
what you said about what happened. Did the rogue seem

931
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,559
to attack them to or continue to try to get

932
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:57,800
to you?

933
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: No? No, no, they hit him. You know, it took

934
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,840
both of them. They literally knocked him down. You know,

935
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,239
when he went down, that's how I got They had

936
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,280
him down because it was like you would think, like

937
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,400
football tackle. You know, they tackled, you know, they attacked,

938
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,400
and as they not it took both of them to

939
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:20,920
knock him down. But then they're on top of a cliff.

940
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,440
So you know, that's how I got back to the car.

941
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,800
The car wasn't that far away, and thank god I

942
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,000
had left the door open and it was running, so

943
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:33,960
that was a that was a plus for me. But again,

944
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:37,440
they're on top and these they're literally knocking trees and

945
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:40,480
stuff down, but they're on top of that cliff. And

946
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:42,679
then when my my tail lights, you know, of course

947
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:46,800
I'm looking in the rear view mirror, and you know

948
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,079
I had seen, you know, they had knocked him down,

949
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,079
but they were up on top of him. And then

950
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,800
I seen, you know, my old one. He was thrown

951
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:58,639
and he went down, and that's when I thought, you know,

952
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,760
I thought for sure it killed him. I really did.

953
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,599
I thought, you know, he's old, he's old. He's on

954
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:06,320
top of a cliff. You know, they're over they're going

955
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,960
over the side of a cliff into you know, the

956
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:16,000
down and this is just rocks. So that's all I

957
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:18,360
could think of, you know, they're they're you could hear.

958
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:23,679
I mean it was like I can't even describe the sounds,

959
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,280
the screams and the I mean, there's no one lives

960
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,760
back in there, so I don't know if anybody else,

961
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:34,280
but you could hear it. I mean it traveled. The fighting,

962
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:40,039
the sound would travel because I you know, always I

963
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,599
had to you know, the window down and I'm trying

964
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:45,880
to see. But you know, after I'm out, the tail

965
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,639
lights are out, and what I could see with just

966
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,199
the moon, but you know they're they're down and down

967
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,599
over so they're out on my line of sight. And

968
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:59,599
then I just I had to get I don't know

969
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:02,840
if you could understood where I'm driving down this road.

970
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,440
I'm literally on each side. If I go off the road,

971
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,639
I'm gonna go down over a cliff. You know, I'm

972
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:12,519
going to go. I'm just in a woodline. But on

973
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:14,960
each side it's a drop off, you know. So I

974
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:17,519
got to stay in the middle of that road. And

975
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,800
I can't go fast because just the bump of it

976
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:24,199
will throw you off the road because there's a gravel road,

977
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,119
but there's like the rocks from the cliff top, you know,

978
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:30,199
it's sticking up through it. So you're going four will

979
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:35,639
drive dump dump, you know, like that. So it until

980
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:38,119
I get down off of that road and then onto

981
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,199
the paved road. It's pretty hairy in the day time.

982
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:46,360
That's really I said. I don't know what I shouldn't

983
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,719
have went that night. It was just like whether spur

984
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,719
of the moment, crazy idea things, you know, when you

985
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,880
it's like why did I do that? Why did I

986
01:01:56,039 --> 01:02:01,960
do that? And but I'm kind of I'm just used

987
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,960
to going, you know, into mostly I hike in, but

988
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:09,519
that night I just thought I just wanted I couldn't sleep,

989
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:12,840
and it was warm, and I just needed quiet time.

990
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:20,880
And and I regret, you know, I regret it every day.

991
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,440
I can't I do. I actually have guilt. I'm thinking,

992
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,480
you know, maybe you know they were fighting, that maybe

993
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,199
it wouldn't have been so violent, and if I hadn't

994
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,360
found him, I don't know. My heart was just just

995
01:02:34,679 --> 01:02:37,119
totally I did. I cried and cried. I cried all

996
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,440
the way out, and then I cried for days. I

997
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:44,280
just could not. I was so when he sent me,

998
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,400
I was so relieved. And then when I could actually

999
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,159
see him for myself and see that he was alive,

1000
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,119
that was it was like this massive weight came off

1001
01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:58,559
of my heart and I was like, thank you God,

1002
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,000
you know, thank you for letting him be here. Well,

1003
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:09,519
I just I don't know. I really honestly, I really

1004
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:14,159
do have a lot of concern for things is changing

1005
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,360
and I don't know what's going to happen, and I just, uh,

1006
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:26,960
they've been here forever. It's like everything else, you know,

1007
01:03:27,079 --> 01:03:31,159
the bear, the bear coming right out into people's yards

1008
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:35,920
and the bobcats coming into my barn. They don't run away.

1009
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,480
They're not afraid anymore. You know, before you know, you

1010
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:42,599
go out and shoot up in the air or whatever,

1011
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,760
and they'll you know, they'll run away. But if they

1012
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,639
are getting so used to human beings, they're not running

1013
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:54,000
away anymore. So it makes it that much more dangerous,

1014
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:59,840
you know, especially for children just my I do have

1015
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:01,400
been concerned.

1016
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: Because of all those changes, like what you just mentioned.

1017
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,400
Have you been thinking about moving lately.

1018
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,639
Speaker 1: Or are you the direction? Nope, I'm actually putting up

1019
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,519
I've in my woods. We're starting to build. It's uh,

1020
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:19,079
it's going to be a primitive cabin. But I'm already

1021
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:24,000
there's a spring there and I'm already, uh, the trees

1022
01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:27,280
are there. Then we're me and my son has been Nope,

1023
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,480
I'll be I'm going to be moving back farther. I'm

1024
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:32,320
not going to come out of the woods. I'm going

1025
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,039
to move back and further into the woods.

1026
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: So you don't fight easily.

1027
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:44,039
Speaker 1: No, No, that's that's what I said. I've been you know,

1028
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:46,800
I grew up in the woods and I've been taught,

1029
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:51,840
and I'll never leave my woods. I'll never you know,

1030
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,360
this is I told my son, which he got kind

1031
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,400
of aggravated at me because he's like, Mom, don't talk

1032
01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:00,559
like us. Like, I'm building my cabin. This is my

1033
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,840
cabin for the end of my life, and I'm going

1034
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,079
to you know, I have a few more responsibilities that

1035
01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:11,360
I have to, you know, take care of, and then

1036
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,599
when my time comes, I'm going to my cabin and

1037
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:16,039
I'm going to live in my cabin to the end

1038
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:20,119
of my days. And then when you come and I'm not,

1039
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,840
you know, I no longer need it. You just don't

1040
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,480
worry about it. You just simply set that on fire

1041
01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:29,880
and leave me there. And he's like, Mom, like, you

1042
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,159
can't do that. Well, that's what I want. I just

1043
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,480
I don't want I don't want to leave my woods.

1044
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:40,599
That is, that's who I am. And I don't put

1045
01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:42,960
curtains on my windows. I don't close my windows because

1046
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,960
I like seeing my woods in my forest. It's nothing

1047
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:48,719
for me to go out in the night time. And

1048
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:54,880
just I that's how I calm myself. And I love

1049
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:58,079
you know. I love my woods, I love my animals,

1050
01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:04,559
I love my trees. So and that's you know. I've

1051
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:05,960
been this way in my whole life and I'm not

1052
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:06,719
going to change now.

1053
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm glad you're not going to change. That's admirable.

1054
01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:13,440
I love the fact that you feel that way about

1055
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,360
the woods and you love the woods so much. That's great. Yep,

1056
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,880
and definitely understand that too. Well. I'll tell you what, Donna.

1057
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,119
We're out of time, but before we get out of here,

1058
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:25,960
I just want to thank you so much for coming

1059
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:30,199
back on and updating us about the latest developments.

1060
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,679
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I just I don't know if what I do

1061
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,480
does any you know, makes any difference in the world.

1062
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:40,639
Like I said, everybody has their own opinion. They can

1063
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:43,239
believe me, they don't have to believe me. I don't care.

1064
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:46,519
I know what I know, and I'm not out to

1065
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:50,079
prove anything. The only thing I care about is I

1066
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:53,639
care about people. I take care of people. I care

1067
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:57,800
about children, I care about elderly, and I care about

1068
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,480
my animals. You know, I care about my i'mant to

1069
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:03,280
care about my Watchers. The dog men are a little

1070
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:10,119
different thing for me. I worry more for people's safety

1071
01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:13,440
with them because they are a different breed, and I

1072
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:17,760
think that's going to get a little more violent myself.

1073
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:23,159
But now maybe with people seeing more and getting more

1074
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:28,719
educated about things, that's there. You know, some talk about,

1075
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:35,199
you know, the Watchers being evil and doing all this,

1076
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:39,079
and I'm sure you know, I'm not saying they're all good.

1077
01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:41,480
They're not. You know, it's like everything else there is

1078
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,840
good and bad and everything. But I also think they

1079
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:51,760
are here to guide us too. You know, I believe

1080
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,880
in God. I believe the Creator is my God. But

1081
01:07:55,039 --> 01:08:00,199
God is the Creator, so you know, and I you know,

1082
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,679
I go, you know, I go to church. I've been

1083
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,679
raised both ways into church and with the Shawnee old ways,

1084
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,880
and I listen to the ministers the preachers, and I

1085
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:14,239
hear them telling everybody, you know, the end of the

1086
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,279
days are coming and you need to be getting right.

1087
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,960
And you know, basically you know, some people listen, most

1088
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:26,880
just shut it off. So maybe the watchers are here

1089
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,279
for a reason too. Maybe they're here and they're showing

1090
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:35,720
yourself more to not there to me. They're my watchers

1091
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,319
and are my protectors. But maybe they're here to help

1092
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:44,279
guide too, because you know, not that they're evil. Maybe

1093
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,760
what some of the people in the world don't want

1094
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:52,840
to you know, they don't follow the religion or listen

1095
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:59,800
to the ministers or whatever. Maybe the watchers are not

1096
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:06,399
here to take us to hell or you know. I

1097
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,239
think they're here to teach us to so I think

1098
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:13,079
there's a good thing there for us to learn from.

1099
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,600
That's just my opinion. Everybody to their own opinion, and

1100
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,560
like I said, everybody is entitled to their own. I

1101
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,960
do not argue religion or politics right them on top

1102
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:24,239
of my this.

1103
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never get anywhere doing that. So that's a

1104
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:32,960
good policy, it really is. Well, like I said, Donna,

1105
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:35,640
thanks again so much for your time, and please remember

1106
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,319
if I can ever help you, I'll.

1107
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: Be there for you.

1108
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 2: I have to do is let me know. But having

1109
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,119
said that, thanks again so much and have a great night.

1110
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:54,239
That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eye Witness Radio

1111
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,199
with Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and

1112
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:00,399
would like to be a guest on the show, please

1113
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,560
go to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com and submit a report.

1114
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:08,520
We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, Have

1115
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:09,359
a great night.