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<v Speaker 1>Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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<v Speaker 1>not intended for all audiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened, It's okay, it's okay. Get it off your chest.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a liar.

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<v Speaker 5>You danced around in her blood and blah blah, yay me,

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<v Speaker 5>look at me. Here's to you, Satan.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's to you, my first sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 1>Life is hard, but it is wonderful, isn't it? And

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<v Speaker 1>every day is a gift. So thank you for sharing

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<v Speaker 1>yours with us today. This is episode three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals it

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<v Speaker 1>the worst monsters are really tucked into the no their

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<v Speaker 1>an edge of Saint Joseph, Missouri. Krug Park spans one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty three acres of meticulously landscaped grounds, Renaissance

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<v Speaker 1>style architecture, and winding walking trails.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds nice, not.

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<v Speaker 1>For its rose gardens, quiet lagoon and even whimsical Italian castle.

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<v Speaker 1>The park draws families and joggers alike, especially when it

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<v Speaker 1>transforms into a glowing spectacle during the holidays. But beneath

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<v Speaker 1>its tranquil charm and seasonal cheer, Krug Park holds a

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<v Speaker 1>dark memory, one that shattered it's peaceful Facade's take a

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<v Speaker 1>number one.

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<v Speaker 4>Where here emergency?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not out running the trails to Krug Pork and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm pretty sure I just ran right across.

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<v Speaker 2>The dead body.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do you think that there's a dead body there?

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<v Speaker 6>I wasn't sure there's a mannequin like Halloween or not,

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<v Speaker 6>but because it's just sitting there still. But I just

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<v Speaker 6>stood there, you know, for two minutes, trying to check

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<v Speaker 6>everything in and it's real.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't touch it.

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't know it.

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<v Speaker 9>Does she have any injuries or anything like that?

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<v Speaker 10>You know?

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<v Speaker 6>I came up to the front, but it looked like

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<v Speaker 6>a whole woman over chest and then cut by her neck,

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<v Speaker 6>like where her neck was. Okay, can you describe the

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<v Speaker 6>person Tomy young waiting completely like her close girl rips office.

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<v Speaker 8>She was right next to her.

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<v Speaker 9>Did you see any hair, eye color on the female?

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<v Speaker 8>The wider wide open the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>On the morning of October sixteenth, twenty sixteen, a young

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<v Speaker 1>man was walking through Crug Park when he made a

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<v Speaker 1>discovery that would haunt him for the rest of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>He found the body of a teenage girl lying exposed

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<v Speaker 1>on the jogging trail. She had been stabbed repeatedly, her

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<v Speaker 1>throat slit. This was no accident. It was a brutal

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<v Speaker 1>and deliberate killing. When investigators arrived, the details were as

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<v Speaker 1>strange as they were disturbing. The girl was naked, her

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<v Speaker 1>clothes tossed nearby in plain sight. No attempt had been

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<v Speaker 1>made to hide her or the clothing. There were no

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<v Speaker 1>signs of sexual assault, and no form of identification was found.

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<v Speaker 1>A search of the surrounding area turned up only a

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<v Speaker 1>few broken and seemingly useless pieces of a cell phone.

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<v Speaker 1>A medical examiner later concluded that the murder had taken

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<v Speaker 1>place recently, likely within twenty four hours of the body

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<v Speaker 1>being found. It was ultimately determined that the teenage girl

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<v Speaker 1>was killed the night before. The investigator's first priority was

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<v Speaker 1>to identify the girl. Until they had a name, she

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<v Speaker 1>was referred to only as krug Park Jane. Hoping for

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<v Speaker 1>a lead, detectives examined her discarded clothing and found a

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<v Speaker 1>logo on a T shirt, one belonging to a nearby

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<v Speaker 1>high school. They visited the high school, where the principle

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<v Speaker 1>provided a tentative identification. A seventeen year old student named

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlin Root. Your book photos confirmed it the victim was Caitlyn.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives then reached out to her family and continued the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation by interviewing her father.

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<v Speaker 11>Now, is Caitlin the only child you guys have together?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 8>Okay?

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<v Speaker 11>And when was the last time you saw Caitlyn?

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<v Speaker 12>It was actually in person?

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<v Speaker 13>It was probably around the I think probably the seventh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn's parents were divorced and she wasn't living with either

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<v Speaker 1>of them at the time, which partly explained why no

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<v Speaker 1>missing person's report had been filed before her body was found.

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<v Speaker 11>And when was the last time that she stayed with you?

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<v Speaker 11>It's been about a year and by a year through.

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<v Speaker 11>What's Caitlin's lifestyle? Like Jesus, let's follow her friends, okay,

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<v Speaker 11>do whatever they do?

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<v Speaker 1>A few months before the murder, Caitlyn's mother was preparing

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<v Speaker 1>for an out of state job transfer. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn was living with her, but the prospect of leaving

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<v Speaker 1>her friends behind didn't sit well. She was determined to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in Saint Joseph. Looking for another option, Caitlyn reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to her best friend's mom and grandmother to ask

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<v Speaker 1>if she could move in with them. They didn't hesitate

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to Caitlyn with open arms. They had known

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn for years and already thought of her as family.

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<v Speaker 8>How do you feel about Caitlyn before this all happened?

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<v Speaker 13>You, what'd you think about her?

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<v Speaker 14>She's my daughter, She's not my biological No, But from

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<v Speaker 14>the moment she walked in the door met me, I

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<v Speaker 14>was mom.

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<v Speaker 15>That was that.

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn was welcomed by a loving family who offered her

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<v Speaker 1>care and support. But the home was considerably chaotic and

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<v Speaker 1>very crowded.

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<v Speaker 3>Hula lives there with her.

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<v Speaker 8>There's a list.

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<v Speaker 2>There's my buddy Pablo, and then Tabitha and her two daughters,

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<v Speaker 2>and then grandma Grandpa and then basically they're nurses.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't care people take care of it.

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<v Speaker 16>Okay, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 3>They also are trying to living at the residence.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Yeah, there's actually two houses right next to

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<v Speaker 2>store to each other. Okay, Grandpa has one and the

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<v Speaker 2>grandma eyed the other.

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<v Speaker 3>And so where does Caitlyn stay? She stayed in Gremls.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the crowded living situation, everyone in the house was

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<v Speaker 1>glad to have Caitlyn move in. They genuinely liked her.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Caitlin was well liked by many. Her cheerful

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<v Speaker 1>personality and charm made people naturally gravitate towards her.

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<v Speaker 17>Caitlyn has she's crazy because it's a good crazy.

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<v Speaker 13>What do you mean by that?

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<v Speaker 18>Like, I she's kind of my personality, which is a

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<v Speaker 18>bubbly which and Kaitlyn's she's fine to be wrong.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Tragically, Caitlyn's life was cut short at just seventeen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and investigators were faced with the heartbreaking duty of informing

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<v Speaker 1>her family and friends that the young woman found in

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<v Speaker 1>Krug Park was Caitlin Root.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, there's really no.

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<v Speaker 19>Easy way to say this or do this.

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<v Speaker 11>We do believe it is kit And and that was

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<v Speaker 11>stunned up in crud Park. We're really probably pretty certain

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<v Speaker 11>it is.

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<v Speaker 3>We do have a couple of pictures that.

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<v Speaker 20>If you'd be willing to take a look out to

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<v Speaker 20>say for sure. Yeah, you know, there's really no easy

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<v Speaker 20>way to prepare yourself for this. No, I'll just you

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<v Speaker 20>know when you're ready, if you just want.

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<v Speaker 11>To Yeah, that's fair, relatively certain or one hundred percent or.

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<v Speaker 8>How can you be so sure?

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<v Speaker 13>There's too about a picture.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm so so very sorry for your loss.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye, Sanna says, you do that, Jar.

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<v Speaker 11>We're going to do everything in our power, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>to be able to answer all the questions for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Naturally, everyone who knew and loved Caitlyn were desperate for answers.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to know who had done this to her

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<v Speaker 1>and why.

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<v Speaker 11>I just want to know who, so would we, And

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<v Speaker 11>we're working on I just can't figure out why.

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<v Speaker 8>Even if we figure out who.

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<v Speaker 3>Why, hopefully they'll be able to explain it. Caitlyn.

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<v Speaker 19>Who would be that mad at her?

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>For a time, the case was a classic who'd done it?

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn was an extremely well like teenager, making the brutal

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<v Speaker 1>nature of her murder all the more perplexing. Investigators and

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<v Speaker 1>loved ones alike were left asking the same haunting question,

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<v Speaker 1>why would anyone want to kill her? Adding to the confusion,

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<v Speaker 1>no one could explain why Caitlin had even been at

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<v Speaker 19>So, as far as you do, you think it's out

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<v Speaker 19>a character for her to be walking in the park.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, she enjoyed nature at all, but.

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<v Speaker 16>She's never been to the park krug Park ever.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, and the time even owners didn't like to be.

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<v Speaker 8>She hasn't been there since I've known her about a

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<v Speaker 8>year or two. I don't think she would go to

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<v Speaker 8>the park unless it was a cohercion.

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<v Speaker 1>In their efforts to unravel the mystery, investigators spoke with

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<v Speaker 1>several of Caitlyn's family members and everyone she'd been living with.

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<v Speaker 1>All were cleared as suspects, and no one could shed

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<v Speaker 1>light on why Caitlyn had gone to Krug Park that

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<v Speaker 1>night the night she was killed. With those leads, exhausted,

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<v Speaker 1>detectives shifted their focus to another group of people, Caitlyn's boyfriends.

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<v Speaker 14>She has dated several people. He has she was a

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<v Speaker 14>very promiscuous, a little oh really, yes, And I'm not

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<v Speaker 14>saying that.

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<v Speaker 19>To inspect disrespect her character, but she was.

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<v Speaker 14>And the week before this all happened, and she and

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<v Speaker 14>I had gotten into an argument over it. I said, Caitlyn,

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<v Speaker 14>I wouldn't have to do that to be liked.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you think she was doing to be liked?

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<v Speaker 21>I think she was doing it to be liked to.

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<v Speaker 3>Fit in.

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn had been through many short lived relationships, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of her murder, she wasn't dating anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>So who's Caitlin dating at the time? She was dating nobody? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>who was she seeing somebody before?

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<v Speaker 19>Not that I knew, Like I knew there's somebody named

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<v Speaker 19>Kevin at the time.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>If I were saying to give me somebody that would

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<v Speaker 3>want to hurt her, who would come.

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<v Speaker 8>To your mind?

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<v Speaker 9>Mmm?

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<v Speaker 19>I would have to say Kevin.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you say Kevin?

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<v Speaker 19>From what she was telling me before that she has

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<v Speaker 19>put hands on her.

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<v Speaker 1>During the initial round of interviews, one name surfaced repeatedly,

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Whitmer. It quickly became clear that there had been

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<v Speaker 1>some recent tension or drama between him and Caitlyn.

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<v Speaker 12>I know she was getting threats from Kevin Allan Whittmer.

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<v Speaker 22>She sent you about the guy who hit her? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 22>who's this Whitmer? Apparently he hit her on Friday. She

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<v Speaker 22>sent him a message saying, hey he hit me and

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<v Speaker 22>stuff like that. Well, then other people started putting on

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<v Speaker 22>was she putting on Facebook public?

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<v Speaker 23>Right?

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<v Speaker 13>Publicly?

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<v Speaker 11>Then all these other people started commenting on that.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it about?

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<v Speaker 3>Any idea what that was about?

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<v Speaker 24>No?

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<v Speaker 19>I had no clue.

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<v Speaker 1>Rumors started to swirl after a Facebook post and a

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<v Speaker 1>string of comments beneath It suggested that Kevin Whitmer had

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<v Speaker 1>recently gotten violent with Caitlin, but before investigators had a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to find Kevin, he contacted them and voluntarily came

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<v Speaker 8>How did you win it with her?

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<v Speaker 25>She is a friend of my old buddies. How long

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<v Speaker 25>actually knowing her for? Probably maybe three weeks? When's the

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<v Speaker 25>first time you gotta started talking or hanging out or whatever?

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<v Speaker 21>Actually talking? It would have been profotly three weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 13>That's just you know, conversation.

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<v Speaker 19>But when did you guys start hanging.

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<v Speaker 21>Out, hanging out dating? I think the first time we

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<v Speaker 8>What did you guys do?

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<v Speaker 21>Just drove around?

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<v Speaker 12>Are you guys hanging up?

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<v Speaker 19>Its friends?

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, friend looking into engaging in a relationship with her.

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<v Speaker 21>She wanted to, but she's seventeen. I'm twenty one. That's

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<v Speaker 25>She wanted to, and I was like, I'm cool with friends,

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<v Speaker 25>but that's as far as it's going to go. She

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<v Speaker 25>tried to kissing me. I mean we kissed.

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<v Speaker 8>That's about it.

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<v Speaker 21>That's the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty one year old Kevin told investigators he had only

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<v Speaker 1>known Caitlyn for a short while and insisted he had

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<v Speaker 1>no interest in a romantic relationship with her. According to him,

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<v Speaker 1>that was Caitlyn who had wanted something more.

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<v Speaker 21>And then we finally got to hang out Thursday, and

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<v Speaker 21>then she stayed the night with me.

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<v Speaker 12>You guys watch movies.

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<v Speaker 21>He wasn't sitting there on Facebook and talking.

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<v Speaker 19>Did she stay the night that night?

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<v Speaker 8>Okay? Anything going on that night? Now, here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 25>We've already talked about this seventeen twenty one, right, illegal,

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<v Speaker 25>So I just want to make sure that you're telling

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<v Speaker 25>you please. And later, the most she and I did

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<v Speaker 25>talk to her about, you know, having sex. I just

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<v Speaker 25>and she told me that she's had sex with multiple people,

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<v Speaker 25>and I'm like, that's not going to happen. So we

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<v Speaker 25>just cuddled and when we got up next morning, we

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<v Speaker 25>laid in bed until probably, like I said, twelve thirty

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<v Speaker 25>one o'clock, and then I took her ound and dropped

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin explained he was put off by Caitlin's age and

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<v Speaker 1>her alleged promise scuity, so he chose not to sleep

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<v Speaker 1>with her or pursue a relationship. He also claimed the

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<v Speaker 1>last time he saw her was three days before the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>when he dropped her off at home. The following day,

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<v Speaker 1>he received a strange and threatening phone call.

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<v Speaker 25>Six eight nine number called me and I was like,

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<v Speaker 25>are you Kevin Whitmer? And I was like, who's this

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<v Speaker 25>and he's like, don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 21>Just know that you're a woman beat and if you're

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<v Speaker 21>gonna beat on a woman and you can beat on me.

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<v Speaker 25>So I called Kitlyn and I was like, what the

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<v Speaker 25>hell is going on? And she's like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 25>hit me twice and gave me two bloody noses. And

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<v Speaker 25>I was like, the fuck ever, I don't put my

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<v Speaker 25>and fuck off or whatever, and she hung up on me.

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<v Speaker 25>So I made a status after that and put it

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<v Speaker 25>on Facebook. I have all the screenshots of all the

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<v Speaker 25>comments up today to last night. Whenever I went to sleep,

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<v Speaker 25>I woke up this morning like thirty plus people will

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<v Speaker 8>So I just went and deleted it.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Kevin, Caitlyn had told someone you hit her.

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<v Speaker 1>This was an allegation that he firmly denied.

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<v Speaker 26>Was her claiming that he punched her in the face

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<v Speaker 26>and gave her a blighty nose and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you think that she would say that? What

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<v Speaker 3>does she get out of it attention?

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<v Speaker 21>I don't know honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>With this new information, investigators were faced with possibilities, neither

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<v Speaker 1>of which was easy to prove. Either Caitlyn upset over

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<v Speaker 1>being rejected or falsely accused Kevin of violence, or Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>was lying to cover up something far more sinister. Without evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>both scenarios seemed frustratingly out of reach, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>just the beginning. As the investigation unfolded, detectives encountered a

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<v Speaker 1>growing list of unusual suspects, each one adding new layers

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<v Speaker 1>of confusion. More often than not, interviews ended with more

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<v Speaker 1>questions than answers, and investigators were left asking the one

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<v Speaker 1>question that continued to haunt them. Who killed Caitlin Root.

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<v Speaker 1>On October sixteenth, twenty sixteen, seventeen year old Caitlin Root

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<v Speaker 1>was found murdered in Krug Park. She had been stabbed,

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<v Speaker 1>her throat slit, her naked body left in plain sight.

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<v Speaker 1>With no witnesses and a few leads, investigators struggled to

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<v Speaker 1>piece together why she was there, who she was with,

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<v Speaker 1>and what went so horribly wrong. Suspicions swirled around a

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<v Speaker 1>young man named Kevin Whitmer, but nothing could be proven,

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<v Speaker 1>and the deeper investigators dug the stranger the case became.

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<v Speaker 1>During their conversations with Kevin, investigators learned about another young

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<v Speaker 1>man who was reportedly eager and maybe even desperate to

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<v Speaker 1>start a romantic relationship with Caitlin.

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<v Speaker 21>What exactly did she tell you about her?

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<v Speaker 8>This guy has the.

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<v Speaker 25>Biggest crush on her, going to be with him as

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<v Speaker 25>messenger suicidally.

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<v Speaker 21>He wants to cut his health, He wants to kill

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<v Speaker 21>his hell without on.

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<v Speaker 1>A Police were already familiar with the name Adam Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>He was one of Caitlyn's closest friends. They'd known each

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<v Speaker 1>other for years and were often seen together. To those

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<v Speaker 1>who knew them, the dynamic was clear. Adam wanted something more,

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<v Speaker 1>but Caitlyn had firmly placed him in the friend zone.

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<v Speaker 19>Adam hen always had a thing for it just never

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<v Speaker 19>worked out.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, that's the way I would interpret it, just being

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<v Speaker 14>by actions.

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<v Speaker 8>What do you mean by his actions?

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<v Speaker 4>He was always trying to impress her in somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>She thought of him as a brother.

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<v Speaker 21>Nothing.

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<v Speaker 11>He he wanted more, He wanted more.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you think he was jealous of the attention neither

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<v Speaker 8>young man got from her.

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<v Speaker 4>If he was, he never let a show.

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<v Speaker 27>And technically he's the last person we really know was

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<v Speaker 27>seen with her right by his own mission.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after gathering some background information on Adam's relationship with Caitlyn,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators brought him in for questioning.

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<v Speaker 28>WHOA.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe it was like fifteenth Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>So I message Kitlyn and I asked her if she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to hang out for a little bit and I

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<v Speaker 2>can come by because she was where she was staying

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<v Speaker 2>was like right up the street from me.

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<v Speaker 4>Frinish just set over on the other portrait Grandpa.

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<v Speaker 3>So we were just talking and talking.

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<v Speaker 2>And talking, kissing up and we were just sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>and then she like jumps off the fortune was like

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta.

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<v Speaker 3>Go meet to Amanda. And I'm like, Amanda who.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she said, Amanda mix and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't even just stay home.

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<v Speaker 19>It's late.

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<v Speaker 3>Told you get hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam freely admitted he was with Caitlyn on the front

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<v Speaker 1>porch of her home the night she was murdered, and

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<v Speaker 1>that he was the last person to see her alive.

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<v Speaker 1>He claimed that during their final moments together, Caitlyn abruptly

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<v Speaker 1>decided to leave and meet up with someone else, Poor Adam.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam said he I had to warn her not to go,

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<v Speaker 1>but she ignored his advice.

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<v Speaker 9>She listened.

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<v Speaker 2>She went down to the corner on fifteenth and Olive

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<v Speaker 2>got into the car that I couldn't even actually recognize.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a sub ish kind of lookod thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's last heard from her.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam told investigators that Caitlin stepped off her front porch,

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<v Speaker 1>walked down the road, and climbed into a mysterious black suv.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've heard enough Sword and Scale, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of story immediately raises some red flags. Investigators

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<v Speaker 1>wondered why someone would pick her up down the street

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<v Speaker 1>instead of at her house. What were they trying to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid or hide? Did this even really happen or was

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<v Speaker 1>it just a whole story that Adam was making up

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<v Speaker 1>just to cover his tracks.

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<v Speaker 3>So you guys just aw sitting there chatting on the

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<v Speaker 3>front porch. So when does take a leave?

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<v Speaker 19>She left about like in between like ten thirty and eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>So how did she tell me? Started how she's up

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<v Speaker 3>the leaves?

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<v Speaker 19>She was messaging Amanda on Facebook, and.

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<v Speaker 29>Uh, what's the relationship between her and Amanda as far

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<v Speaker 29>than ano, They're just friends and.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Amanda Mix.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have they have had any trouble with each other

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<v Speaker 2>before or no? But I've had my doubts about Amanda,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't really trust her. What do you mean, Patrick,

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<v Speaker 2>Donton Like, to me, she's just not the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the right kind of people really be hanging out with

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<v Speaker 2>personal nitpicking things that meet her.

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<v Speaker 3>We just don't click, don't make a long run.

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<v Speaker 23>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, yeah, they were texting on Facebook. That's whenever

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, I gotta ry to get down here,

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<v Speaker 2>She's about to pull up and everything.

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<v Speaker 19>I'm like, oh, you should not go.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you say what she's gonna go do?

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<v Speaker 2>She said that they were gonna go sit at Hyde

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<v Speaker 2>Park and they were gonna basically be hanging out and

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<v Speaker 2>everything else, just basically doing girl stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam identified the person who picked up Caitlyn as someone

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<v Speaker 1>named Amanda Mix. This was a name that caught investigators

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<v Speaker 1>off guard. Until this moment, no one else had mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>her in connection with this case.

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<v Speaker 3>So, actually, when Caitlyn laugh, you were the only one

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<v Speaker 3>I truly see her leave. Pretty much I was sitting

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<v Speaker 3>on the fort on the Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators were clearly wary about him. There's something a little

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<v Speaker 1>shady about him. They questioned both his account of that

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<v Speaker 1>night and how he characterized his relationship with Caitlyn.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a brief moment where I we thought me

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<v Speaker 2>and her need to eat together. But no, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna date my best friend for twelve years.

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<v Speaker 15>No.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically I was just so, how long did you

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<v Speaker 3>guys date or how long did not work out?

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<v Speaker 30>We pretty much we were together for us six hours

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<v Speaker 30>to really, uh, guys at repsacks, do you have any

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<v Speaker 30>idea who might have done something to her?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I can only pretty much like start where

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<v Speaker 2>basically the first person I knew about that she was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be with, which would be a Manda, Like That's

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<v Speaker 2>what That's why I think.

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<v Speaker 3>About first all the heck would I get in touch

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<v Speaker 3>with Amanda?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very good question that I haven't been able

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<v Speaker 2>to get hold of.

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<v Speaker 3>Her all day.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite their doubts about Adam's story, investigators decided to look

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<v Speaker 1>into Amanda mix. What they found was intriguing. Amanda, as

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, was once Caitlin's best friend.

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<v Speaker 31>You said that Amanda Mix and her were friends, but

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<v Speaker 31>they had a falling out and recently.

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<v Speaker 13>And that person she was last thing with at time?

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<v Speaker 28>How do you know that?

436
00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:37.559
<v Speaker 22>From everybody who's told me that she came over to

437
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:39.720
<v Speaker 22>the house at fifteen to get Caitlyn And.

438
00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Before long, Amanda's name started coming up repeatedly in the investigation.

439
00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Some even claimed that the former best friend of Caitlyn's

440
00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.079
<v Speaker 1>had confessed to murder and the.

441
00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:56.599
<v Speaker 32>Next day that the candle lighting, My brother came up

442
00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.599
<v Speaker 32>to me crying. I mean he was like shaking and crying,

443
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.240
<v Speaker 32>and he's like, hey, dude, he said, I'm glad I

444
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:03.599
<v Speaker 32>found you.

445
00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:05.759
<v Speaker 19>He's like, I'm scared shitless right now. He's like, she

446
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.839
<v Speaker 19>admitted it. He was like, admitted, who who come down

447
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.039
<v Speaker 19>and tell me what was going on? He sat there

448
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:13.000
<v Speaker 19>and told me, he's like, she admitted it.

449
00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:14.039
<v Speaker 8>I was like, who, mid what?

450
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:15.319
<v Speaker 19>He's like Amanda?

451
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:19.000
<v Speaker 32>She admitted that she, her and several other people would

452
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:21.160
<v Speaker 32>beat that ship out of that root girl.

453
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.799
<v Speaker 19>Did they You said earlier that they did.

454
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.039
<v Speaker 16>You referred to them as they had jumped her.

455
00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.200
<v Speaker 19>I don't know who they are, okay. He just said

456
00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:31.880
<v Speaker 19>Amanda and several other people.

457
00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Eventually, investigators brought Amanda Mix in for questioning, but her

458
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:40.960
<v Speaker 1>situation was a bit different from the other potential suspects.

459
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Unlike the rest, Amanda had not come willingly. She was

460
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:50.640
<v Speaker 1>picked up on an unrelated outstanding warrant. What you know

461
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>is always a good sign.

462
00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:55.799
<v Speaker 16>Do you know a girl?

463
00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:56.799
<v Speaker 13>My name paper Root?

464
00:24:57.720 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 27>Yes?

465
00:24:58.400 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 8>How do you know?

466
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:01.640
<v Speaker 13>Do I have to say all this?

467
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.079
<v Speaker 12>Well, I'm I'm just asking questions.

468
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:05.359
<v Speaker 13>I'm just curious how we know work?

469
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:07.359
<v Speaker 12>Well, she's your best friend?

470
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:08.359
<v Speaker 11>Oh, she's a best friend?

471
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:09.119
<v Speaker 24>Was tip.

472
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:11.640
<v Speaker 12>I don't really, I don't hang on anyone.

473
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:12.519
<v Speaker 10>What happened?

474
00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:13.519
<v Speaker 3>Which you too?

475
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.079
<v Speaker 11>I mean that you guys aren't friends anymore.

476
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.680
<v Speaker 12>Well somemore like we didn't be like just when our

477
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.960
<v Speaker 12>suzing this, I don't have any turn.

478
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.119
<v Speaker 1>This from a man that told investigators there was no

479
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:28.839
<v Speaker 1>bad blood between her and Caitlyn. They had simply grown

480
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>a part over time, which is why they were no

481
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>longer as close as they once were.

482
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 11>You never had a falling out as Caitlin than anything

483
00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:38.079
<v Speaker 11>a while back, while, you guess, I mean because I haven't.

484
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.160
<v Speaker 11>I've got friends of that girl now for a long time.

485
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:43.240
<v Speaker 11>Was everything that ever happened between you two that he

486
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:44.720
<v Speaker 11>was kind of lost track of each other.

487
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.200
<v Speaker 12>They're just I haven't I've lost off friends because I don't.

488
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:49.559
<v Speaker 12>I don't want thing in the rock people.

489
00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:51.920
<v Speaker 11>Are you are even really mad or passed off a

490
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:52.680
<v Speaker 11>Caitlyn or anything?

491
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:57.839
<v Speaker 12>Okay, this is about I'm messing about Caitlyn.

492
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:59.559
<v Speaker 23>Okay, So why is I mean?

493
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 13>Why, Well, she's missing what she's missing?

494
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

495
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 12>When did miss the other day?

496
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:12.440
<v Speaker 11>I'm not quite sure what they's the last time you

497
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:12.799
<v Speaker 11>saw her?

498
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:14.559
<v Speaker 12>Oh, I've just seen her.

499
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.039
<v Speaker 23>I mean I went to a fuck. I don't know

500
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:23.920
<v Speaker 23>the day. It was like some day last week, because

501
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:28.000
<v Speaker 23>there's I love Caitlyn, I really do, and I don't

502
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:28.680
<v Speaker 23>know anything.

503
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.400
<v Speaker 12>I haven't the last time I've seen her but that

504
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:32.799
<v Speaker 12>when we have a ride.

505
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:38.119
<v Speaker 1>Amanda appeared genuinely unaware that Caitlyn was dead. She told

506
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.519
<v Speaker 1>investigators the last time she saw her was more than

507
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.400
<v Speaker 1>a week before the murder. According to Amanda, she and

508
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend were walking past Caitlyn's house when they spotted

509
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>her sitting on the front porch. Amanda asked if anyone

510
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.799
<v Speaker 1>inside could give them a ride home, and Caitlyn found

511
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>someone willing to help. Since that day, Amanda had no

512
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:05.519
<v Speaker 1>seen or heard from Caitlyn, or so she claimed her Facebook.

513
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 12>Talked about Yeah. Yeah, not recently.

514
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:08.839
<v Speaker 19>No recently.

515
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 12>It hasn't been recently at all.

516
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.519
<v Speaker 11>I have, don't somebody something you guys talked the other

517
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 11>day on Facebook?

518
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:16.079
<v Speaker 8>Is that not true?

519
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:17.400
<v Speaker 23>That's not true.

520
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 12>I have talked to Caitlyn on Facebook that I mean,

521
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:24.880
<v Speaker 12>Facebook accounts.

522
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 23>To you one.

523
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 18>I just feel like there's something You're just one does

524
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.839
<v Speaker 18>I promise I'm not keep me anything from.

525
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Amanda also claimed she had not communicated with Caitlin through

526
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>texts or social media in quite some time. If true,

527
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.880
<v Speaker 1>that directly contradicted Adam Brown's statement. He told police that

528
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn was messaging Amanda the very night she was killed.

529
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 3>I don't be honest.

530
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:52.480
<v Speaker 11>We talked with somebody said that you were with her

531
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 11>Saturday night?

532
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:54.359
<v Speaker 13>Are you serious?

533
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

534
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.680
<v Speaker 12>Okay, I wouldn't for Saturday Night's no big deal.

535
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:00.839
<v Speaker 11>Why something would lie and say that you were with

536
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:02.039
<v Speaker 11>her on Saturday.

537
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 12>Exactly unless they don't want to get somebody else in trouble.

538
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.480
<v Speaker 12>I could get a serious trouble. Was whatever the fuck's

539
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:07.759
<v Speaker 12>going on?

540
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 13>What's going on?

541
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.480
<v Speaker 12>Whatever the situation is. I don't know what's going on, saying.

542
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:14.759
<v Speaker 11>So, you mean tell me you didn't know that Kitlan

543
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:15.359
<v Speaker 11>has been missing?

544
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.440
<v Speaker 23>No, I didn't know, shouldn't No, Now, so.

545
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.880
<v Speaker 20>What would you say, I said, if somebody saw you

546
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 20>leaving with her about ten o'clock Saturday night.

547
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 12>I laugh, actually, because it's true ten o'clock that I

548
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:30.400
<v Speaker 12>was under my roof.

549
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Amanda insisted she was home the night of the murder,

550
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>and she was adamant about it. She even claimed she

551
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.279
<v Speaker 1>could back it up. At the time, Amanda was living

552
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.839
<v Speaker 1>in a group home, and she told investigators that the

553
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 1>house manager could confirm her whereabouts.

554
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:47.160
<v Speaker 12>That's hilarious, did.

555
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 23>Kissing me off?

556
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 17>But if we called Tina right now, we get us

557
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:51.039
<v Speaker 17>all verified.

558
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.559
<v Speaker 12>But I don't know if you called her, we'll get

559
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.160
<v Speaker 12>around to calling her, said, I try to get to

560
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.519
<v Speaker 12>cant with all this. Okay, she all ship because I

561
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.319
<v Speaker 12>didn't leave with her at ten o'clock. Pena, I mean,

562
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.839
<v Speaker 12>very very I don't know, y'all.

563
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 23>This is a full ship. That's why I would like

564
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:07.119
<v Speaker 23>you to call her around.

565
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.559
<v Speaker 3>So let's see if I'll get somebody to call Tina.

566
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, exactly, she didn't even tell you I was there.

567
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:13.119
<v Speaker 23>Saturday night.

568
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 1>Amanda urged investigators to contact her house manager to confirm

569
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:23.279
<v Speaker 1>her alibi, and she grew increasingly impatient as the questioning continued.

570
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 12>I have not hoped, Caitlyn, I try to repeating myself. No,

571
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 12>I want to know the whole story. That's what I

572
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 12>want to know.

573
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 18>That's exactly what I want to know, because I'm telling you, guys,

574
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:33.400
<v Speaker 18>what the fuck I.

575
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 12>Did Saturday night ten o'clock.

576
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.359
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, well, I'm telling you that people are telling me

577
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:38.319
<v Speaker 11>you the last person that.

578
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.160
<v Speaker 12>Well, that's hilarious. Call Tina please when because I want

579
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 12>to hear her.

580
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.200
<v Speaker 17>Tell y'all you know this sounds like one of the

581
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:53.119
<v Speaker 17>mysteries fucking TV shows does so this is Cartina, Please

582
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:54.480
<v Speaker 17>give us your figure it.

583
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:58.759
<v Speaker 12>Out like this is ridiculous. If y'all just call, y'all

584
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 12>know the fucking truth. I'm not totally enjoy cartoon.

585
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 13>It's one of those things.

586
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:06.240
<v Speaker 12>It's one of those things where you can't get that

587
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:07.160
<v Speaker 12>fucking bird right now?

588
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:09.279
<v Speaker 23>Is that not make sense?

589
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.480
<v Speaker 12>You can go give my boyfriend and he'll tell you

590
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 12>the same exactly ship.

591
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:15.920
<v Speaker 16>Why are young?

592
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 12>Because he's I'm really doing something to Kaitlyn. I don't

593
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:23.119
<v Speaker 12>really fucking talk to Kaitlyn anymore. Anything happened to face? Okay,

594
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.440
<v Speaker 12>she's missing. Oh so something obviously has happened.

595
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:31.519
<v Speaker 11>Maybe she's in Cansteady. Maybe Calen.

596
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 10>How do you know that?

597
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 12>I've been friends with her for a while. So but

598
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 12>I know, Okay, just because I'm no, I will go. No,

599
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 12>I'm done, I don't want to talk.

600
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.000
<v Speaker 10>I'm not talking.

601
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.200
<v Speaker 12>I'm gonna be silent. I just will go, That's all.

602
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Amanda took a firm stance with investigators and ultimately chose

603
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.759
<v Speaker 1>to remain silent, which is of course her right. When

604
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>they followed up with their house manager, the story she

605
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 1>gave them seemed to check out. Amanda had signed in

606
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 1>early that evening, but the alibi wasn't airtight. Nothing would

607
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>have prevented her from slipping out unnoticed. Later that night,

608
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:16.519
<v Speaker 1>once again, investigators were faced with two conflicting stories. Either

609
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Adam Brown had lied about Caitlin messaging and leaving with

610
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Amanda Mix or Amanda was lying about her whereabouts on

611
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the night of the murder. Now's a good time to

612
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>test your slothing abilities. And I ask you who do

613
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:35.039
<v Speaker 1>you think was responsible? Out of these two? I wonder

614
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>if you'll get it right, because what came next was

615
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>a revelation that no one expected. Neither of them had lied. Yeah,

616
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>how about that the person who had actually misled the

617
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>investigators and did not tell the truth was the most

618
00:31:53.480 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>unlikely person of all, the victim, Caitlin Root. In October

619
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 1>of twenty sixteen, homicide investigators in Saint Joseph, Missouri, were

620
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 1>deep into the investigation of seventeen year old Caitlin Root's

621
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:37.319
<v Speaker 1>brutal murder. Caitlyn's body had been found in Krug Park.

622
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:41.599
<v Speaker 1>With a few clues to follow, investigators chased down leads,

623
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>questioned family and friends, and attempted to unravel conflicting stories,

624
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 1>but nothing was adding up. Then came a stunning theory.

625
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps the person misleading them wasn't a suspect. Perhaps it

626
00:32:56.119 --> 00:33:02.119
<v Speaker 1>was Caitlin herself. You see, Caitlyn's close friend Adam Brown,

627
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>told investigators that the last time he saw her, she'd

628
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 1>said that she was going to meet up with Amanda Mix.

629
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she told him the truth, or maybe it was

630
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 1>a lie. It was entirely possible that Caitlyn had plans

631
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>with someone else that night and just didn't want anyone

632
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 1>to know. With answers still elusive, investigators returned to the

633
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 1>crime scene and expanded their search of the area. This

634
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 1>decision led to a crucial breakthrough. While the initial sweep

635
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:37.359
<v Speaker 1>had uncovered only broken fragments of Caitlyn's cell phone, the

636
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:43.319
<v Speaker 1>extended search turned up even more pieces. FORENDSIC specialists managed

637
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>to reassemble the phone, giving detectives access to Caitlyn's texts

638
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:53.839
<v Speaker 1>and social media. This was a game changer. The recovered

639
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>messages revealed that Caitlin had been planning to meet someone

640
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>named Amanda that night, but not Amanda Mix. It was

641
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>another teenager who had gone to high school with Caitlin.

642
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Her name was Amanda Bennett. These messages revealed that Amanda

643
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Bennett had invited Caitlin to hang out with her and

644
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend, and had even told her not to tell

645
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:23.159
<v Speaker 1>anyone who she was with. Armed with this discovery, investigators

646
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.119
<v Speaker 1>quietly surveiled Amanda Bennett and her boyfriend for several days

647
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:32.360
<v Speaker 1>before making their move. Both were arrested. Amanda's mom was

648
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>also brought in for questioning.

649
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:38.159
<v Speaker 16>So, Amanda and Sebashian both live with you, correct? And

650
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 16>how long has you been.

651
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 12>Living with you?

652
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.280
<v Speaker 4>He's been there at least over a year.

653
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 16>Where's Amanda working at right now?

654
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:46.840
<v Speaker 4>She worked at and Morpholt Pizza Hut with me.

655
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 16>And how about Sebastian whores?

656
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.239
<v Speaker 4>She work at the McDonald's down on the interstate.

657
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 16>What do they do for the fun besides that the house?

658
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 16>What kind of things do they do?

659
00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't really do much, That's what I'm saying.

660
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:00.239
<v Speaker 9>Said.

661
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.400
<v Speaker 4>I have internet and netflips and all that, so they

662
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:04.840
<v Speaker 4>very much to stay in their room and watch TV

663
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 4>or they play video games.

664
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.519
<v Speaker 16>They ever going where and hanging out? Not really, No

665
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:11.480
<v Speaker 16>anyone ever come to the house hang out.

666
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 4>And that's been a lot of Amanda's problems. She don't

667
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 4>have very many friends, so she doesn't have any friends,

668
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.360
<v Speaker 4>and she'll tell you that she doesn't hang out with anybody.

669
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Investigators learned that seventeen year old Amanda Bennett and her

670
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old boyfriend Sebastian Dowell were living with Amanda's mom.

671
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:35.360
<v Speaker 1>The couple was reclusive, with no known friends or social connections.

672
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>What they did have was a newborn son who was

673
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 1>just a few months old. The soft cooping heard in

674
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.559
<v Speaker 1>the background of this interview belongs to their baby.

675
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 26>I don't keep trying Sebastian honestly, because I can care

676
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:50.320
<v Speaker 26>less about Sebastian.

677
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 8>What's with that?

678
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, he's lazy pretty much. There's always an excuse why

679
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.360
<v Speaker 4>he can't get up there to work, or you know,

680
00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 4>he doesn't want to do any tours around the house.

681
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.480
<v Speaker 4>He's just not a good dad. She's usually up with

682
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:05.400
<v Speaker 4>the baby all night.

683
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 26>She's been trying to go to school and then working,

684
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.280
<v Speaker 26>and he does nothing, and it makes me mad.

685
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:12.760
<v Speaker 4>And I was to the point, I've been talking to

686
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.000
<v Speaker 4>my son. I said, you know, she's been talking.

687
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.840
<v Speaker 26>About moving out with them, and if that's the case,

688
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.360
<v Speaker 26>I'm giving attorney.

689
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 4>And get CASTI ah Siler because.

690
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:27.400
<v Speaker 26>From what it sounds, and he also has a two

691
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.480
<v Speaker 26>year old little girl, and I know that he doesn't

692
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 26>ever see her.

693
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.159
<v Speaker 4>More page old sport doesn't do anything for a man.

694
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.079
<v Speaker 1>His mom shared some background with investigators about her daughter

695
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and Sebastian. She confirmed that both were high school dropouts,

696
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>with Amanda working at Pizza Hut and Sebastian at McDonald's.

697
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.360
<v Speaker 1>What a pair. She also admitted she wasn't fond of Sebastian,

698
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>describing him as a lazy, inattentive, and irresponsible father. When

699
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 1>asked about the night Caitlin Root was murdered. She recalled

700
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.000
<v Speaker 1>that Amanda and Sebastian had gone out, supposedly to see

701
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a movie. They returned home very late. And you work together,

702
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 1>so you're together all day until nine pm. You so

703
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.519
<v Speaker 1>when you come home nine pm, does she ride home

704
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>with you?

705
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 12>Yes?

706
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so we came home.

707
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.960
<v Speaker 26>Sebastian was home with the baby, and I'm going to

708
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 26>watch on my phone because I want to say that

709
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 26>that was the night they went to the movies.

710
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:29.840
<v Speaker 4>As far as I know, they went to the movies,

711
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:30.800
<v Speaker 4>is what I was told.

712
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.119
<v Speaker 16>Okay, I'm going to take your car. Yes, And what

713
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 16>time do you think they text you to tell you

714
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 16>that they're going over to Jermys.

715
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 33>Well, they didn't actually text me to tell me that

716
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.559
<v Speaker 33>it's where they were going. I text her and asked her,

717
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:43.480
<v Speaker 33>I said, where are you guys at? Because I don't

718
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 33>think the movie lasts no three hours, so it was

719
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.920
<v Speaker 33>like ten, I'm on twelve thirty.

720
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 4>She said, oh, we came over to Jeremy's house.

721
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.199
<v Speaker 1>After their conversation with Amanda's mom, investigator sat down with

722
00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Amanda herself, who appeared remarkably unfazed by the situation, showing

723
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>little concern or emotion as the questioning started.

724
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 19>You're seventeen, okay today birthday?

725
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:08.639
<v Speaker 10>Yeah?

726
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:09.599
<v Speaker 19>What was the last grade level?

727
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:09.840
<v Speaker 24>And sto?

728
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.559
<v Speaker 19>When you completed? I finished sophomore year and you're working

729
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.199
<v Speaker 19>anywhere Northville? Any idea why you're here?

730
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:19.000
<v Speaker 24>M hmm.

731
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:21.800
<v Speaker 3>I'll be honest, I find it hard to believe you

732
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.079
<v Speaker 3>don't know why you're here. We have a lot of information,

733
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.000
<v Speaker 3>we have a lot of evidence, and I know you

734
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 3>know why you're here.

735
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 2>You know.

736
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 30>I don't believe that your involvement is done on your own.

737
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.199
<v Speaker 30>I know that you know as somebody else was there,

738
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.320
<v Speaker 30>and we don't think you're a bad person, not at all.

739
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:48.559
<v Speaker 23>When do I ask for a lawyer?

740
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.119
<v Speaker 19>You can ask for a lawyer any time you want,

741
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 19>if that's.

742
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:53.440
<v Speaker 2>What you want to do.

743
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:56.320
<v Speaker 9>Do you guys think I did something?

744
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.440
<v Speaker 3>So what do you think we think you did?

745
00:38:59.400 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 9>I don't know.

746
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.119
<v Speaker 8>Then I would think you would.

747
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:04.559
<v Speaker 19>Want to find out what you're supposed.

748
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 9>To tell me? What do you think I do?

749
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Amanda claim she had no idea what was going on,

750
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and it quickly became clear that a confession wasn't coming

751
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>anytime soon. Shifting tactics investigators eased into a gentler line

752
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:22.280
<v Speaker 1>of questioning, focusing instead on her relationship with Sebastian.

753
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:26.719
<v Speaker 19>Does he stay anywhere else now? Even occasionally every night?

754
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:30.800
<v Speaker 19>At you the thumb on that right? Make sure he's

755
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 19>very supposed to be.

756
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 17>Yep, he's pretty.

757
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:36.199
<v Speaker 4>You got to keep a lock on that.

758
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:41.400
<v Speaker 19>He's pretty. Yet, do you guys ever go out separate?

759
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:42.960
<v Speaker 19>Do you guys ever do separate things?

760
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:44.679
<v Speaker 2>You go?

761
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:46.280
<v Speaker 19>He goes where he goes, you go.

762
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:46.679
<v Speaker 8>Huh?

763
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:48.000
<v Speaker 19>Except for work, of course?

764
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:52.440
<v Speaker 9>Yeah. I'm usually at his work too, But except for

765
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 9>when I work.

766
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.039
<v Speaker 8>Who do you guys run around with? I mean, who

767
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 8>do you guys do stuff with? Other than you know,

768
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 8>when you guys go through something friends? You guys don't

769
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 8>run around with anybody. You don't hang out with anybody.

770
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 8>It's just you two exciting and we just don't have friends.

771
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 8>We don't have any Sebastian didn't.

772
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:15.000
<v Speaker 19>Have any friends.

773
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.000
<v Speaker 9>No, I don't. I don't let him.

774
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Amanda was pretty open about her relationship with Sebastian and

775
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>admitted to being a very controlling presence in his life.

776
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's put it that way.

777
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:28.599
<v Speaker 9>I shaved his legs.

778
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 3>What he lets you shave his legs?

779
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.960
<v Speaker 19>Like with a razor shave, like all the way up

780
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:35.079
<v Speaker 19>top all the way down.

781
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 8>Why's that I.

782
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.480
<v Speaker 23>Wanted to get rid of his masculinity?

783
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Speaker 8>Okay, now you're gonna have to explain that one to me.

784
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.119
<v Speaker 19>You got me scratched, Well you do too.

785
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Apparently, investigators also questioned Amanda about her religious beliefs, particularly

786
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:57.320
<v Speaker 1>her views on the devil. Their curiosity stemmed from a

787
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 1>search of her bedroom, where they had found books related

788
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:05.199
<v Speaker 1>to Satanism. In her basement, they also found a journal

789
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>penned by Amanda that was full of bizarre writings about demons,

790
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:14.840
<v Speaker 1>sacrificing souls and controlling fire with one's mind. How about that?

791
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 19>So, what do you think about the devil? Do you

792
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:22.320
<v Speaker 19>think the devil is this? Have you ever looked into

793
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 19>other forms of religion? Have you ever considered of the

794
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:28.199
<v Speaker 19>forms of religion a sparimn with a that, or any

795
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:29.599
<v Speaker 19>Satanic step or anything like that.

796
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 8>So you have faith in God, but you've questioned it.

797
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 10>Well, I've grown up believing that, Like ever since I

798
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 10>was born, I was in a church environment.

799
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>After gaining more insight into Amanda, her relationship with Sebastian

800
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and her beliefs, investigators turned to a crucial question, where

801
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>was she in Sebastian on the night of October fifteenth,

802
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen, the night Caitlin Root was murdered.

803
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.400
<v Speaker 10>We were gonna go to the movies because I got

804
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 10>two for like free tickets, you know how they use

805
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:07.960
<v Speaker 10>free tickets.

806
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:10.440
<v Speaker 23>But we watched The.

807
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:11.280
<v Speaker 9>Girl in the Train.

808
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:13.599
<v Speaker 8>That is that good?

809
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 9>No, most scary movies nowadays are good.

810
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:19.440
<v Speaker 19>They stayed for the whole movie.

811
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 8>The movie and.

812
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.400
<v Speaker 10>Weird, just weird.

813
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 9>It was all like a mystery about like a murder.

814
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 3>Who did the murder?

815
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:31.519
<v Speaker 9>Oh?

816
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:33.559
<v Speaker 23>Pay in session.

817
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:40.400
<v Speaker 9>It was a boring movie, and then we went to

818
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:42.400
<v Speaker 9>a specialist dad's house.

819
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Amanda told investigators that she and Sebastian had gone to

820
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.880
<v Speaker 1>see the movie The Girl on the Train that night,

821
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>but when asked about the plot, she couldn't recall a

822
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:56.360
<v Speaker 1>single detail. Pro tip, if you're gonna use a movie

823
00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 1>as an alibi, make sure you've actually seen it. Also,

824
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.840
<v Speaker 1>that movie was fantastic, So if you say it was boring,

825
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:07.480
<v Speaker 1>then you're either lying or you're extremely unintelligent, or most

826
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 1>likely both. Amanda went on to say that after the movie,

827
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 1>the two of them headed to Sebastian's dad's house and

828
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.639
<v Speaker 1>spent a few hours there. But Amanda didn't know that

829
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.039
<v Speaker 1>investigators had already done their homework. You see, this is

830
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the kind of person that doesn't do homework, so she

831
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.360
<v Speaker 1>assumes no one else does either. The police had reviewed

832
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:32.119
<v Speaker 1>surveillance footage from the theater, and neither Amanda nor Sebastian

833
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 1>appeared in any of it. Her story was obviously a lie.

834
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 8>Why would you tell me that you were at the

835
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:40.360
<v Speaker 8>movies when you.

836
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 21>Weren't at the movies?

837
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 4>Were the movies.

838
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:47.000
<v Speaker 8>At the late? Movie was started at ten ten of

839
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:48.400
<v Speaker 8>Girl on the Train?

840
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:50.239
<v Speaker 9>Then?

841
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:55.480
<v Speaker 8>Why, I mean, are you guys like invisible or something?

842
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 8>Or I mean, why won't you be on the video

843
00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:58.159
<v Speaker 8>and you're not there?

844
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.239
<v Speaker 27>Well, hey, you got to be there. If you were there,

845
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 27>you had to go up to the window and get

846
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 27>exchange your passes for tickets. Right, Neither one of you

847
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 27>are on video getting the tickets there. They've got the

848
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.280
<v Speaker 27>videos on thumb drives. They're gonna bring them back here,

849
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:17.480
<v Speaker 27>you know, and you can't be there if you're not there.

850
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 27>You know, all the cameras don't lie.

851
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 8>So tell me why you wouldn't be on on video?

852
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:24.800
<v Speaker 9>I don't know.

853
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.119
<v Speaker 27>I would suggest it's because you weren't there, And I

854
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 27>would suggest you were somewhere else.

855
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.039
<v Speaker 8>And you don't want to tell me about that.

856
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:32.800
<v Speaker 4>We were of the movies.

857
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:35.920
<v Speaker 8>What would you say if we had Sebastian on videos

858
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 8>somewhere else?

859
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 9>I'd say you were a liar?

860
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.360
<v Speaker 19>Are you afraid to tell us the truth?

861
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:41.320
<v Speaker 2>No?

862
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:43.760
<v Speaker 8>I went to the movie other than the movie.

863
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:45.280
<v Speaker 19>Are you afraid to tell us the truth?

864
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Are you afraid us to know everything?

865
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.880
<v Speaker 8>But for us to know everything that happens Saturday nine?

866
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 23>I told you everything that happened.

867
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>In addition to the theater footage, police had surveillance from

868
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:01.000
<v Speaker 1>another location that placed Sebastian across town, alarmingly close to

869
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Kruk Park. A street camera captured him sitting in the

870
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 1>passenger seat of Amanda's mom's car, presumably Amanda was behind

871
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the wheel.

872
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 8>So how do we explain that?

873
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:17.159
<v Speaker 27>How do we explain your car with Sebastian in it

874
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:20.760
<v Speaker 27>being at a completely different location.

875
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.519
<v Speaker 3>The time the movie was going on. Are you scared

876
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:23.880
<v Speaker 3>right now?

877
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:24.960
<v Speaker 10>M M?

878
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:31.280
<v Speaker 8>I would be because you're not telling it's the truth.

879
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 3>I would be looking for a chance to help yourself

880
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:33.679
<v Speaker 3>and stop lying.

881
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.480
<v Speaker 9>I mean, if you think I did something wrong.

882
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 17>Either way, I'm going down.

883
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:44.719
<v Speaker 8>No, that's not true. If you didn't do it, you

884
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.719
<v Speaker 8>wouldn't have anything to worry about. You wouldn't need to

885
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 8>be scared. Right now, I'm not scared, but you should

886
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 8>be because.

887
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.280
<v Speaker 4>I know you did it, and I know see you

888
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:53.960
<v Speaker 4>think I did it.

889
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.760
<v Speaker 8>No, I know, I understand. It's not It's not a matter.

890
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:57.519
<v Speaker 8>Don't get upset.

891
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 27>I'm talking to you, I mean a person being really.

892
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:02.719
<v Speaker 27>I told you I would not lie to you. I

893
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:04.800
<v Speaker 27>will not tell you that I can prove something that

894
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.639
<v Speaker 27>I can't prove. You know, this is not our first rodeo.

895
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 8>We've had a.

896
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 9>Tens seven homicides in Sant Joe in the past year. Yeah,

897
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.320
<v Speaker 9>at least that you found a body for it, right,

898
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:16.480
<v Speaker 9>it's probably more.

899
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.960
<v Speaker 8>But is well? Who said anything about the homicide?

900
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:20.960
<v Speaker 4>Google?

901
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.320
<v Speaker 8>But I mean, we didn't say anything about a homicide.

902
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Interestingly, the first mention of murder during this interview didn't

903
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 1>come from investigators. It came from Amanda herself. Oops, I

904
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:38.639
<v Speaker 1>guess you're not the criminal mastermind you thought you were.

905
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I ain't that right, Amanda?

906
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:43.360
<v Speaker 8>He says, this is a homicide we're talking about. Is

907
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.199
<v Speaker 8>there something we need to know about a homicide.

908
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.840
<v Speaker 9>Well, you're investigating the homicide.

909
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:49.960
<v Speaker 8>We're investigating hundreds of crimes.

910
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 9>Well that's the only one in the news, so I'm assuming.

911
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 8>So what do you know about the homicide? Then? Since

912
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.079
<v Speaker 8>you talking about it, what do you know about.

913
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:02.599
<v Speaker 23>It the stuff in the news.

914
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 1>For a while, Amanda stuck to her flimsy story about

915
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:08.800
<v Speaker 1>going into the movies on the night of the murder,

916
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:13.239
<v Speaker 1>even though it had already been disproven, so investigators decided

917
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to leave her alone in the interrogation room and shift

918
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 1>their focus to her boyfriend, eighteen year old Sebastian Dowell.

919
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 21>Saturday, did you work last Saturday?

920
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 12>A week ago today?

921
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:28.760
<v Speaker 28>Well it's not good for sure?

922
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 9>Was off that? Okay?

923
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:32.239
<v Speaker 13>So would you guys do anything Saturday?

924
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 34>No, we just stay home.

925
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 13>Stayed home the whole time.

926
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 12>It's Saturday.

927
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:45.320
<v Speaker 35>High note, no daylight, No, just watch TV and watch Netflix.

928
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.360
<v Speaker 1>For investigators, it was clear that Amanda and Sebastian hadn't

929
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>coordinated their story very well. Amanda said they were going

930
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:55.800
<v Speaker 1>to a movie on the night of the murder, while

931
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Sebastian insisted they had stayed home the entire time.

932
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.159
<v Speaker 13>So who's that the domin hearing the one in the house,

933
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:09.599
<v Speaker 13>probably her. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the same way, right,

934
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:10.840
<v Speaker 13>the same.

935
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 23>Way she jealous one.

936
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:19.119
<v Speaker 13>She doesn't time my ass, damn like majorly majorly tell

937
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:20.719
<v Speaker 13>me about that almost just like me.

938
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 8>Efficient.

939
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.199
<v Speaker 28>If she thinks I did something.

940
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:27.559
<v Speaker 31>Wrong, she'll yell and so, what's so a violent thing

941
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 31>she's ever done?

942
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 8>Over jealous him?

943
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:32.239
<v Speaker 9>She uh.

944
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 13>Freshened my ribs.

945
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 28>I think she tried to stab me at one point.

946
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:39.840
<v Speaker 17>Wow, how does she break your ribs?

947
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 13>She did me and punched me.

948
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 11>Ain't try to stab you.

949
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:45.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's scary.

950
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but she has always been controlling.

951
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 11>I have to ask if I can move in the house.

952
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:52.559
<v Speaker 36>I have to.

953
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:56.559
<v Speaker 28>Ask her anything if I want to do anything.

954
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Sebastian confirmed the control nature of his relationship with Amanda

955
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and added a disturbing layer. He claimed Amanda's dominance over

956
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:12.320
<v Speaker 1>him was enforced through violence, alleging that she had once

957
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:16.400
<v Speaker 1>fractured his ribs and even tried to stab him. While

958
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.280
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the interview offered deeper insight into their

959
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.679
<v Speaker 1>toxic and abusive relationship, much of the audio was difficult

960
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to make out, with Sebastian muttering barely above a whisper,

961
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 1>like a little kid. Still, he revealed that both he

962
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:37.119
<v Speaker 1>and Amanda were deeply involved in Satanism and considered themselves

963
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:42.159
<v Speaker 1>devoted followers. As for Caitlin Root, Sebastian claimed he barely

964
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.840
<v Speaker 1>knew her. According to him, the only time they met

965
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.480
<v Speaker 1>was on the day his son was born, when Caitlyn

966
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:53.119
<v Speaker 1>visited Amanda in the hospital and get this, started flirting

967
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.679
<v Speaker 1>with him right there, right in the hospital, right in

968
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 1>front of Amanda.

969
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.639
<v Speaker 11>Again, I was lot there, but she'd being disrespectful, like.

970
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.239
<v Speaker 3>In her face, like Jolman and Anna's face that.

971
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.559
<v Speaker 28>She's who was kind of disrespectful as saying.

972
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 2>I guess what I'm kind of missing here is she

973
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:18.400
<v Speaker 2>are not really friends, but she shows up at the

974
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 2>hospital and starts hitting on the father of the child.

975
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean why, I mean, listen.

976
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea.

977
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.840
<v Speaker 1>According to Sebastian, during the hospital visit, Caitlin implied that

978
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Amanda's newborn son wasn't his, but rather a child of

979
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Amanda's ex boyfriend. This suggestion infuriated Amanda. Hooe's mad as

980
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:45.920
<v Speaker 1>they say. Finally, after two hours of questioning, Sebastian requested

981
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 1>a lawyer bringing the interview to a close. Investigators then

982
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.440
<v Speaker 1>shifted their attention back to Amanda, returning to the interrogation

983
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:55.960
<v Speaker 1>room where she'd been waiting.

984
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:58.360
<v Speaker 8>What happens at the homicide?

985
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:06.119
<v Speaker 4>She did, Well, you know you've seen you saw.

986
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.639
<v Speaker 27>Too with your own eyes mm hmm and at your

987
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 27>hands mm hmm. She did, honey, mm hmmm. Your phone

988
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:16.440
<v Speaker 27>tells a different story, your messages.

989
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.079
<v Speaker 29>And if you want to sit and continue to lie

990
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.440
<v Speaker 29>and say no, no, no, and when you go to

991
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.159
<v Speaker 29>court and we prove this, this, this, this, this and

992
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 29>this that we have and you sit there and say

993
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.000
<v Speaker 29>I don't know anything, show no remorse, say you didn't.

994
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:33.840
<v Speaker 8>Do it, and the reason is gone.

995
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:35.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean we know.

996
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:38.119
<v Speaker 3>It's not a threat.

997
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:40.159
<v Speaker 10>Going to do that.

998
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:44.280
<v Speaker 8>No, don you get convicted, honey, I'm going away forever.

999
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 8>And you don't do anything to.

1000
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 19>Help yourself to explain and be raised by somebody else

1001
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:49.320
<v Speaker 19>to to.

1002
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:53.119
<v Speaker 8>Explain why this happened. Don't you think that everybody deserves

1003
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:57.400
<v Speaker 8>to at least know why? Sure didn't tell us why?

1004
00:51:58.960 --> 00:51:59.119
<v Speaker 9>Why?

1005
00:51:59.239 --> 00:51:59.280
<v Speaker 24>What?

1006
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:01.760
<v Speaker 8>Why? You guys killed this girl?

1007
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:03.760
<v Speaker 17>We didn't kill anyone.

1008
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:05.159
<v Speaker 3>That's not true, and.

1009
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:05.639
<v Speaker 9>You know it.

1010
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>This time, investigators adopted a much tougher approach with Amanda,

1011
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and it quickly revealed the very cold and callous side

1012
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:16.559
<v Speaker 1>of her personality.

1013
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 27>There's only two people that were there, you and Sebastian.

1014
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.199
<v Speaker 27>So you're telling me he did it all.

1015
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.519
<v Speaker 4>He didn't do anything that who did?

1016
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:24.760
<v Speaker 9>Then?

1017
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:26.679
<v Speaker 37>Bear?

1018
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 8>You know what I'm beginning to think. What I'm beginning to.

1019
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:36.679
<v Speaker 37>Think is you are a very cool, hard person that

1020
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:41.280
<v Speaker 37>you can sit here and have no emotion and make

1021
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 37>funnies about all this stuff to say, maybe she was

1022
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:45.119
<v Speaker 37>killed by a bear.

1023
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.480
<v Speaker 15>I don't know, Oh you know exactly what she was

1024
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:54.519
<v Speaker 15>killed by, but yeah, you sit here and make light

1025
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 15>of it like it's no big deal, taking a human line.

1026
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.840
<v Speaker 15>It's you don't physically scare me that it's just spooky

1027
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 15>that you just have no emotion about it.

1028
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Possibly recognizing that they were dealing with someone who was

1029
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:22.159
<v Speaker 1>deeply detached and sociopathic, investigators abandoned any pretensive gentleness and

1030
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.519
<v Speaker 1>doubled down on their hard line approach with Amanda.

1031
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.440
<v Speaker 3>You killed her, I don't know. You're a liar. You

1032
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 3>like the fact that you killed Caitlyn Rutin. You can't

1033
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:33.400
<v Speaker 3>wait to do it again.

1034
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 8>You're a killer, and you like that.

1035
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:38.039
<v Speaker 9>You don't care.

1036
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:40.559
<v Speaker 8>Less than a week ago.

1037
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 3>You killed somebody and you don't care. You probably went

1038
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.760
<v Speaker 3>home and had a great time. Oh wasn't that fun?

1039
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't that great?

1040
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:49.239
<v Speaker 8>I can't wait to do again.

1041
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:50.519
<v Speaker 19>Man, we should do it to silent.

1042
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:51.639
<v Speaker 9>You're sick.

1043
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:56.440
<v Speaker 3>You're sick. I've never killed anyone neither. You're a liar.

1044
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:01.079
<v Speaker 3>You're a liar. You watched her die and you got

1045
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:01.559
<v Speaker 3>off on it.

1046
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:02.920
<v Speaker 10>What was it like?

1047
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Were you looking in her eyes the whole time she's dying?

1048
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.599
<v Speaker 3>Did she say anything to you? Do you replay it

1049
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.719
<v Speaker 3>when you close your eyes at night. You and Sebastian

1050
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:14.800
<v Speaker 3>are killers.

1051
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:15.079
<v Speaker 10>And you like it.

1052
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.039
<v Speaker 19>You like to be You want to be known as

1053
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:18.000
<v Speaker 19>the people who kill people.

1054
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:19.800
<v Speaker 5>You're getting off on the fact that you know that

1055
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.559
<v Speaker 5>you guys killed somebody together and you'll kill again because

1056
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.519
<v Speaker 5>you're killers. You probably rubbed your blood all over your

1057
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.280
<v Speaker 5>body and probably, I don't know, probably had some weird.

1058
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Second yeah shouting you did so. Did you say what happened?

1059
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:38.159
<v Speaker 3>It's okay, it's okay, get it off your chest. You're

1060
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:38.519
<v Speaker 3>a liar.

1061
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.239
<v Speaker 5>You danced around in her blood and probably yay me,

1062
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:45.440
<v Speaker 5>look at me. Here's to you, Satan, here's to you

1063
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:49.320
<v Speaker 5>my first sacrifice or is it my first sacrifice to you?

1064
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Despite their best efforts, investigators did not get a confession

1065
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:57.679
<v Speaker 1>from Amanda, and eventually they had to call it quits.

1066
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Amanda remained in the entireation room, waiting to be booked

1067
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:06.039
<v Speaker 1>for murder. While she sat there, a different officer kept

1068
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:09.199
<v Speaker 1>her company, and the two engaged in a surprisingly casual

1069
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:14.519
<v Speaker 1>conversation about favorite TV shows and other everyday topics. During

1070
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the course of that seemingly harmless chat, Amanda revealed some

1071
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 1>unsettling things about herself.

1072
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:26.719
<v Speaker 24>Nothing really bothers me because I've interacted with the supernatural.

1073
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:32.360
<v Speaker 24>I've seen demons, I've so nothing really scares me anymore.

1074
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.679
<v Speaker 16>You ever do any of like the ghost hunting kind

1075
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:36.400
<v Speaker 16>of stuff before.

1076
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 19>I have an interested in that I.

1077
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:39.639
<v Speaker 9>Like to do.

1078
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:42.679
<v Speaker 24>I want to think I'm crazy, but I've been to

1079
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:47.800
<v Speaker 24>Hell before, so once you cross over that border, you

1080
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:52.519
<v Speaker 24>can see everything from a spiritual point of view, well,

1081
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:56.079
<v Speaker 24>if they want you to see them. Hell's way more

1082
00:55:56.239 --> 00:56:01.000
<v Speaker 24>complex than what everyone says. Like there's no fun. For one,

1083
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.119
<v Speaker 24>it's not hot, it's normal, and there's like it's.

1084
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 9>Kind of like an office building.

1085
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:10.039
<v Speaker 24>There's different sections and each demon has like a secretary

1086
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Speaker 24>who goes out and collects like debts and souls from people.

1087
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:18.679
<v Speaker 24>It's like corridors like that, and you get to decorate,

1088
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:21.519
<v Speaker 24>you get to like design it however you want. Like

1089
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.800
<v Speaker 24>the secretary for ahmadeir as a room exactly like this.

1090
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:26.559
<v Speaker 4>It's great, that's it.

1091
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:29.360
<v Speaker 1>As a man that continued to ramble on about are

1092
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:34.800
<v Speaker 1>bizarre and quite frankly retarded beliefs, something unexpected was unfolding

1093
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:39.679
<v Speaker 1>in the other interrogation room. Sebastian had waived his right

1094
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:43.800
<v Speaker 1>to an attorney and asked to speak with investigators again.

1095
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.679
<v Speaker 1>After a week long investigation and countless hours of interviews

1096
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:52.320
<v Speaker 1>with friends, family, and suspects, the moment they had been

1097
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 1>waiting for had arrived. One of Caitlin's killers was finally

1098
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:34.119
<v Speaker 1>ready to confess. On October twenty sixteen, teenagers Amanda Bennett

1099
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 1>and Sebastian Dowell were arrested for the brutal murder of

1100
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Caitlin Root. At first, both denied any involvement, but investigators

1101
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:45.800
<v Speaker 1>knew it was only a matter of time before one

1102
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:50.960
<v Speaker 1>of them cracked. They were right. During a second interview,

1103
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Sebastian finally began to open up, revealing not just pieces

1104
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:59.480
<v Speaker 1>of the truth, but also the disturbing details about his

1105
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:05.440
<v Speaker 1>belief about himselfiopath.

1106
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 28>For stars like that'll roost was so calm, I had em.

1107
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:12.920
<v Speaker 28>I have my own religion, which is polytheis. There is

1108
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.119
<v Speaker 28>an exactual name for our religion, nurs especially based on

1109
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:21.599
<v Speaker 28>the myths now, but we have a patriarch gods mar religion.

1110
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.119
<v Speaker 13>Mine is our eighties, the.

1111
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 8>Lord of the underworld.

1112
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>In case Sebastian's low, muttered voice is hard to make out,

1113
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>he told investigators that he considered himself a sociopath and

1114
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:38.000
<v Speaker 1>claimed to worship Hades, the Greek god of the underworld.

1115
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I have my own religion, he says, matter of factly.

1116
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 1>To be clear, Amanda and Sebastian weren't dark mystics or

1117
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.840
<v Speaker 1>vessels of some supernatural evil. They didn't have their own religion,

1118
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.599
<v Speaker 1>as he says. What they did have was way too

1119
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:56.880
<v Speaker 1>much time on their hands and a lack of cognitive skills.

1120
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:01.039
<v Speaker 1>They were delusional and deeply out of touch with reality.

1121
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.719
<v Speaker 1>They fancy themselves connected to something sinister, but that's what

1122
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:10.280
<v Speaker 1>losers do. They spend their lazy asses online building up

1123
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:13.920
<v Speaker 1>delusions of grandeur to feed and protect their own egos

1124
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:18.360
<v Speaker 1>from coming to the realization that they are utterly useless trash,

1125
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:23.039
<v Speaker 1>leeching off the goodwill of others and contributing absolutely nothing

1126
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:28.719
<v Speaker 1>to society other than misery and death. In truth, they

1127
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:31.079
<v Speaker 1>were nothing but at just a couple of high school

1128
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:35.079
<v Speaker 1>dropouts working part time fast food jobs, living in a

1129
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:39.960
<v Speaker 1>cluttered bedroom in Amanda's mom's house, barely managing to care

1130
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:43.159
<v Speaker 1>for their newborn son, and they were responsible for the

1131
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:46.159
<v Speaker 1>murder of an innocent seventeen year old girl.

1132
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:47.320
<v Speaker 19>That's it.

1133
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:51.760
<v Speaker 1>That's the end result of too much coddling, too much sheltering,

1134
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and no actual parenting. Where the fuck is the father?

1135
00:59:56.079 --> 01:00:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Where are the rules? Where's the goddamn discipline? You're an

1136
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:03.480
<v Speaker 1>adult with a child, still living at your mom's house

1137
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.360
<v Speaker 1>because that's all you can afford. Jesus Christ, where's the

1138
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:13.280
<v Speaker 1>fucking shame. As this interview continued, Sebastian revealed another bizarre

1139
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.559
<v Speaker 1>detail about himself. He claimed to have a second personality

1140
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:22.480
<v Speaker 1>of all names Drake, who would sometimes take control of

1141
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Sebastian's body. He said, so, here we go with all

1142
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.440
<v Speaker 1>that bullshit, and when.

1143
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:34.079
<v Speaker 8>You're Drake, do you feel I mean, you can you.

1144
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.159
<v Speaker 13>Like the Sebastian love back on the.

1145
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:41.559
<v Speaker 31>Third person of you and see Drake talking and doing

1146
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.239
<v Speaker 31>or times sometimes it's just fun.

1147
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.719
<v Speaker 28>I like the eyes it's over, and then sometimes it's just.

1148
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:53.119
<v Speaker 11>Watching, watching what's happening.

1149
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:56.719
<v Speaker 1>After setting the stage with claims of memory loss and

1150
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:02.360
<v Speaker 1>blame for his alter ego, started recounting his version of

1151
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:05.760
<v Speaker 1>what happened on the night Caitlin Route was murdered.

1152
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:07.239
<v Speaker 8>You rolled in her head.

1153
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:11.079
<v Speaker 12>She was holding her head, So did maybe Amanda hit.

1154
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:14.760
<v Speaker 21>Her with something to knock her down or suppose.

1155
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:21.360
<v Speaker 36>And so this was part of the satanic part that

1156
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:28.559
<v Speaker 36>she had kind of off rid of you because she says,

1157
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:30.519
<v Speaker 36>with doing a sacrifice, is.

1158
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not nice ya as expected. Sebastian claimed he couldn't

1159
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.519
<v Speaker 1>remember much about the murder because Drake had taken over

1160
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Speaker 1>his body. Still, he told investigators that Amanda had struck

1161
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Caitlin over the head, and once she was unconscious, the

1162
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:50.719
<v Speaker 1>two of them cut off her clothes and carried out

1163
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:56.360
<v Speaker 1>what he described as a satanic human sacrifice, stabbing her

1164
01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:01.119
<v Speaker 1>multiple times and slitting her throat. Sebastian emphis that Amanda

1165
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:04.880
<v Speaker 1>was the mastermind behind all of this. According to him,

1166
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:10.280
<v Speaker 1>she'd planned the entire thing and taken the lead. While

1167
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:14.840
<v Speaker 1>he didn't deny participating, he painted himself as a passive accomplice.

1168
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Despite the outlandish claims of memory loss and a second personality,

1169
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:24.960
<v Speaker 1>investigators had what they needed, a confession, and it wouldn't

1170
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:29.519
<v Speaker 1>be the only one. Just two days later, Amanda requested

1171
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:31.360
<v Speaker 1>another meeting with investigators.

1172
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:32.920
<v Speaker 24>I was.

1173
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 10>Just messaging people to see if anyone wanted to hang out,

1174
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:44.000
<v Speaker 10>because I never do. My message a girl named Haley,

1175
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:50.599
<v Speaker 10>Mouey Girl, another girl named Haley, and a girl.

1176
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 23>Named Ali and asked them. I was like, Hi, how

1177
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:54.920
<v Speaker 23>are you guys?

1178
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.360
<v Speaker 13>So are you the same age as all these girls?

1179
01:02:58.079 --> 01:02:58.280
<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

1180
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:03.880
<v Speaker 1>During her next interview, Amanda revealed that on the night

1181
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:07.360
<v Speaker 1>of the murder, she had sent Facebook messages to several

1182
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.719
<v Speaker 1>teenage girls asking if they wanted to hang out with

1183
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:15.320
<v Speaker 1>her and her boyfriend Sebastian. The first to respond was

1184
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn Root.

1185
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:20.559
<v Speaker 34>Then Caitlyn talked to me like, oh, you wanna hang

1186
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.760
<v Speaker 34>out or something? She said yeah, and that'd be cool.

1187
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:27.559
<v Speaker 34>I was like, do you smoke, cause I know she hangs.

1188
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.599
<v Speaker 23>Around that crowd that does. She hangs out with weed.

1189
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:31.239
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

1190
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:35.039
<v Speaker 23>I told Sebastian that we were gonna go to park

1191
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:36.840
<v Speaker 23>and he's like okay.

1192
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:42.280
<v Speaker 10>And then we left and then we like I asked

1193
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.639
<v Speaker 10>her where she was at and then she told me,

1194
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:47.199
<v Speaker 10>and I was like, well, can you just walk up

1195
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.960
<v Speaker 10>to like the corner of the street so I.

1196
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:51.199
<v Speaker 23>Didn't have to look for your house.

1197
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Amanda and Sebastian drove to Caitlyn's neighborhood. As they got closer,

1198
01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Amanda told Caitlyn to meet them at the nearby street corner.

1199
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.199
<v Speaker 1>After picking them up, the two drove around for a

1200
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:06.360
<v Speaker 1>bit before ending up at Krugg Park, where they walked

1201
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:08.920
<v Speaker 1>the wooded trails and paused for a while to smoke

1202
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:09.440
<v Speaker 1>some weed.

1203
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:14.679
<v Speaker 38>And then Sebastian sat out next to me and he

1204
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:19.000
<v Speaker 38>said they wanted her for a sacrifice. They wanted her specifically,

1205
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.880
<v Speaker 38>and that she fit the criteria and that they wanted her.

1206
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.400
<v Speaker 39>I told him that we were having the boodless her

1207
01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.760
<v Speaker 39>and that she was becoming my friend, and so they

1208
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:31.440
<v Speaker 39>didn't want it.

1209
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:36.559
<v Speaker 17>They they didn't want it to be her, and he

1210
01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:40.719
<v Speaker 17>said that it had to be her because they wanted her.

1211
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:47.840
<v Speaker 38>So we kept walking and then Sebastian like she was leading,

1212
01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:50.559
<v Speaker 38>so Sebastian pulled me aside and said they'd hited me

1213
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:51.760
<v Speaker 38>a stick and said hit her.

1214
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:54.639
<v Speaker 39>You need to hit her, and I told him I

1215
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:57.760
<v Speaker 39>didn't want to, and he said hit her now, So

1216
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.239
<v Speaker 39>I hit her with a steak and then I after

1217
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:00.760
<v Speaker 39>I hit.

1218
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:05.119
<v Speaker 17>Her, Sabatini joked off top of her and started choking her.

1219
01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:06.760
<v Speaker 13>So she went to the ground.

1220
01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:09.639
<v Speaker 23>No, he ran past me, she.

1221
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:14.000
<v Speaker 40>Imagine, ran past me and knocked kick to the ground,

1222
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:16.599
<v Speaker 40>started choking her.

1223
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:21.920
<v Speaker 17>She was laying right here and he had a hole

1224
01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:25.840
<v Speaker 17>of her like that and was choking her. And then

1225
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:29.079
<v Speaker 17>she was trying to say, help me, please stop. I

1226
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:33.280
<v Speaker 17>can't breathe. And then he said can you help me?

1227
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:35.599
<v Speaker 17>And and I just stood there.

1228
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:38.159
<v Speaker 23>He didn't know what to do.

1229
01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:42.000
<v Speaker 17>And then he took a strange out of his pocket,

1230
01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.840
<v Speaker 17>what a syringe, and he stabbed her in the neck

1231
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:49.079
<v Speaker 17>with it. And I asked him what that lesson?

1232
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:51.320
<v Speaker 39>He said it was supposed to maker going to sleep,

1233
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:53.400
<v Speaker 39>so she didn't feel anything.

1234
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:57.039
<v Speaker 17>So then she cut her clothes off and pulled her

1235
01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:57.559
<v Speaker 17>pants off.

1236
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.639
<v Speaker 1>Hold On, I thought that once you'd been to hell,

1237
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.119
<v Speaker 1>nothing scared you anymore. Why are you crying? Amanda?

1238
01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:05.480
<v Speaker 12>What happen?

1239
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:10.400
<v Speaker 1>As you can tell? Amanda's version of events differed quite

1240
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a bit from Sebastian's. She was just a reluctant bystander

1241
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:19.320
<v Speaker 1>and an unwilling participant in a satanic ritual that Sebastian

1242
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:22.880
<v Speaker 1>alone wanted to carry out. It was all him, It

1243
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:27.039
<v Speaker 1>wasn't her. She was just an innocent little girl female accountability?

1244
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:28.400
<v Speaker 16>Am I right?

1245
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:31.960
<v Speaker 17>And then he had me and knife and said to

1246
01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:35.400
<v Speaker 17>stab her. And I told him I couldn't do it.

1247
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:38.039
<v Speaker 17>I told him that I couldn't do it.

1248
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:39.159
<v Speaker 3>He said that I had to.

1249
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:42.960
<v Speaker 40>I told him that he couldn't, and he said, we

1250
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.679
<v Speaker 40>have to do it now. So he took it back

1251
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:51.079
<v Speaker 40>and and he stabbed her in the ship and I

1252
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:54.400
<v Speaker 40>covered my eyes and ears, and I stirred around. When

1253
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.880
<v Speaker 40>I turn around, she was standing up. I knew he

1254
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:00.960
<v Speaker 40>had stabbed her, though, but she was sitting and starting to,

1255
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:02.239
<v Speaker 40>you know, and walk away.

1256
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:07.039
<v Speaker 23>And he'd he looked surprised, so I don't think it

1257
01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:08.119
<v Speaker 23>was supposed to happen.

1258
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.400
<v Speaker 39>He'd light knocked her back down and jumped on top

1259
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:15.000
<v Speaker 39>of her, like on pumper within the legs, like he

1260
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:16.039
<v Speaker 39>was choked drinking.

1261
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:17.679
<v Speaker 17>After a while, he.

1262
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:22.280
<v Speaker 39>Said that she didn't have bolts anymore. He looked at

1263
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:25.239
<v Speaker 39>me and he said he was proud of me. He

1264
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:28.039
<v Speaker 39>said he was proud of me for being there.

1265
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Amanda claimed that after Caitlin was killed, Sebastian smashed her

1266
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.719
<v Speaker 1>phone and scattered the pieces throughout the park. He then

1267
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:39.119
<v Speaker 1>coached Amanda on what to say if they were ever

1268
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:40.360
<v Speaker 1>questioned by police.

1269
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:44.400
<v Speaker 17>He doesn't in Cardiff, and he broke into half and

1270
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.239
<v Speaker 17>put it somewhere. He don't me to look at it,

1271
01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:52.280
<v Speaker 17>and he'd call me that if we were caught, to

1272
01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:55.000
<v Speaker 17>tell him the police that we were at the movies.

1273
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Amanda also insisted that any evidence linking her to Satanism

1274
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:05.199
<v Speaker 1>or human sacrifice was entirely Sebastian's doing. It's always the

1275
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:09.199
<v Speaker 1>man who's to blame, isn't it. She claimed he had

1276
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:12.679
<v Speaker 1>forced his beliefs onto her and that she had simply

1277
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:14.960
<v Speaker 1>gone along without taking any of his beliefs.

1278
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:18.920
<v Speaker 38>Seriously, I thought, you guys found the books as you

1279
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:20.520
<v Speaker 38>were talking to me about.

1280
01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:26.439
<v Speaker 23>Rituals, and the stuff that was in the books is

1281
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:31.760
<v Speaker 23>the stuff that he told me. Yeah, in the black book?

1282
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:33.119
<v Speaker 9>Who wrote it?

1283
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:35.760
<v Speaker 23>I wrote what he told me.

1284
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Amanda explained that Sebastian had mentioned performing a human sacrifice

1285
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:44.680
<v Speaker 1>more than once, but she never actually believed he would

1286
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:47.600
<v Speaker 1>do it. How many times have we heard that shit before?

1287
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.600
<v Speaker 1>She claimed that when they picked up Caitlin that night,

1288
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:55.279
<v Speaker 1>she had no idea what Sebastian intended to do.

1289
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:56.880
<v Speaker 19>There's a part of you.

1290
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:00.840
<v Speaker 11>Thinking and yeah, this is gonna happen, right, he was kidding.

1291
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:03.880
<v Speaker 17>I didn't think he was really gonna do it. That's

1292
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:06.600
<v Speaker 17>why I thought when we got to the end that

1293
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:07.159
<v Speaker 17>we were just.

1294
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:07.920
<v Speaker 23>Gonna take her home.

1295
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:09.039
<v Speaker 17>I thought he was joking.

1296
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:11.680
<v Speaker 16>I thought it was just all Ay telling him.

1297
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:13.279
<v Speaker 13>I've got somebody that you can sacrifice.

1298
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:13.840
<v Speaker 12>I found her.

1299
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:16.479
<v Speaker 13>I found the one that you can sacrifice.

1300
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:19.479
<v Speaker 24>Because he said that he needed to do it, and

1301
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:22.800
<v Speaker 24>I didn't want him to kill a random person.

1302
01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:23.600
<v Speaker 23>If he was gonna do it.

1303
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Amanda's story was riddled with inconsistencies, and after listening to

1304
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:32.760
<v Speaker 1>her for several minutes, investigators started pushing back with pointed

1305
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:36.640
<v Speaker 1>questions and rebuttals. It was clear she was still lying

1306
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and trying to protect herself by shifting all of the

1307
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:40.960
<v Speaker 1>blame onto Sebastian.

1308
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:43.359
<v Speaker 13>I mean, when we talked the other day, you talked

1309
01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:49.000
<v Speaker 13>about how you control him. You're the domineering person in

1310
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:49.840
<v Speaker 13>the relationship.

1311
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:54.720
<v Speaker 31>How you keep him locked down because he's pretty he

1312
01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:55.600
<v Speaker 31>had a lot of shit.

1313
01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:57.319
<v Speaker 13>Dow say what he told me.

1314
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.319
<v Speaker 38>I don't want him talk to anybody like his Poe

1315
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:04.399
<v Speaker 38>isn't on and I read all of his messages because.

1316
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:06.680
<v Speaker 23>He's had jealous Yeah.

1317
01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:09.319
<v Speaker 13>I mean you basically, you made it pretty clear that

1318
01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:13.079
<v Speaker 13>you were the boss in the family.

1319
01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:16.119
<v Speaker 23>About some things.

1320
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:20.359
<v Speaker 31>But then now we're at where he's controlling you and

1321
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.279
<v Speaker 31>one of the other thing is all honestly, and I'm

1322
01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:27.920
<v Speaker 31>just being straight with you. I mean, you showed no remorse,

1323
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:31.119
<v Speaker 31>no emotion what server matter fact, laughed a couple of

1324
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:32.079
<v Speaker 31>times when.

1325
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:33.880
<v Speaker 13>We were talking about the situations.

1326
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:38.720
<v Speaker 31>And now there's this complete mood and demean and change

1327
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:40.800
<v Speaker 31>in these crocodile tiers stuff.

1328
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:44.199
<v Speaker 13>I mean, I mean, with your demeanor the other day, I.

1329
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:46.119
<v Speaker 31>Have a hard time believing that, all of a sudden,

1330
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.319
<v Speaker 31>now complete opposite you were.

1331
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:54.079
<v Speaker 13>Just as cold and soulless as you can possibly be.

1332
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:57.279
<v Speaker 1>A man who interviews with investigators painted a picture of

1333
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:01.479
<v Speaker 1>two entirely different people. In the first she came off

1334
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:06.720
<v Speaker 1>as a cold, arrogant, and detached sociopath, but after two

1335
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.199
<v Speaker 1>days in a jail cell, she returned as a tearful,

1336
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:14.239
<v Speaker 1>self proclaimed victim. You know, female privilege.

1337
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:17.159
<v Speaker 8>So why if this is a story.

1338
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:20.880
<v Speaker 31>We would believe now that he's this evil person and

1339
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:24.319
<v Speaker 31>you're just kind of a I guess you're kind of

1340
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:25.199
<v Speaker 31>saying you're a victim in this.

1341
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:29.479
<v Speaker 13>Why didn't you tell us all this or not? Why

1342
01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:31.000
<v Speaker 13>did you act so cold?

1343
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Why did you not care?

1344
01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:35.520
<v Speaker 13>Why did you laugh?

1345
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:38.239
<v Speaker 8>Why did you tell us to prove it?

1346
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:41.920
<v Speaker 13>Why did you How did you possibly have no with

1347
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:43.039
<v Speaker 13>the emotions you're.

1348
01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:48.600
<v Speaker 31>Having today, How could you possibly set there as I'm

1349
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:50.960
<v Speaker 31>describing this homicide?

1350
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:54.960
<v Speaker 23>It didn't affect me because it wasn't true. I mean,

1351
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:57.239
<v Speaker 23>I knew what he was telling me wasn't true.

1352
01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:57.640
<v Speaker 9>That's why.

1353
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:02.359
<v Speaker 41>Enough fact, you said you went threw up, you said

1354
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:06.279
<v Speaker 41>you had to cover your eyes in your ears so

1355
01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:09.520
<v Speaker 41>you wouldn't hear her screen and you wouldn't see it.

1356
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.199
<v Speaker 41>But you had no emotion in the end of the day,

1357
01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:16.199
<v Speaker 41>not a single tear, not even a sad face.

1358
01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:19.960
<v Speaker 35>Because he said, in jail for forty eight hours now,

1359
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:22.039
<v Speaker 35>because you realize that you guys aren't going to get

1360
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:26.359
<v Speaker 35>away with this, because you realize you've been charged and

1361
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:27.399
<v Speaker 35>you're in a little prison.

1362
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:28.560
<v Speaker 33>Is that why?

1363
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:34.960
<v Speaker 23>It's because he told me that no matter what, it

1364
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:38.560
<v Speaker 23>would be okay. And obviously, since we're getting.

1365
01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:41.279
<v Speaker 31>Charged for something, so if you want to got charge everything,

1366
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:42.000
<v Speaker 31>it would have been okay.

1367
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:45.520
<v Speaker 24>Well, I wanted to tell you guys what happened, but

1368
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:51.079
<v Speaker 24>I knew it would probably be worse.

1369
01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Amanda's Facebook messages to Caitlyn erased any chance of plausible deniability.

1370
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.640
<v Speaker 1>She lured Caitlin to krug Park and specific told her

1371
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.119
<v Speaker 1>not to reveal who she was meeting, asking her to

1372
01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:06.720
<v Speaker 1>keep it a secret under the pretense of hiding her

1373
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:13.279
<v Speaker 1>marijuana use. Tragically, Caitlyn honored that request when she lied

1374
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:17.720
<v Speaker 1>about her plans that night. In return, Amanda repaid her

1375
01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 1>trust by slitting Caitlyn's throat and stabbing her to death,

1376
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:27.039
<v Speaker 1>all in the service of some twisted, delusional beliefs in

1377
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:28.039
<v Speaker 1>the supernatural.

1378
01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:33.960
<v Speaker 31>Everything you're saying now is exactly what he said about you.

1379
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:39.399
<v Speaker 13>You know, he's saying that that that you.

1380
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:41.399
<v Speaker 31>Said, it had to be Caitlin, that had to be

1381
01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:46.319
<v Speaker 31>an unclean soul, someone was condemned. Said that you've been

1382
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:50.119
<v Speaker 31>talking about the sacrifice for some time, that he's kind

1383
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:53.000
<v Speaker 31>of squashed it. But when you said it, he's you know,

1384
01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:54.239
<v Speaker 31>said he.

1385
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Went along with it.

1386
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.960
<v Speaker 27>He said, he held her down. Why you stabbed her

1387
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:02.000
<v Speaker 27>and cut her throat? How many of the wounds were

1388
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:07.840
<v Speaker 27>from you on Caitlin. Let's be honest, now, what about

1389
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:10.359
<v Speaker 27>the stabbing or cutting and.

1390
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:16.479
<v Speaker 13>Cut her through? He said, you did it all. He

1391
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:17.920
<v Speaker 13>held her down by the shoulders.

1392
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:19.279
<v Speaker 23>It's not true.

1393
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.640
<v Speaker 8>I believe that you were both equally on board with it.

1394
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:26.079
<v Speaker 13>I believe that you picked her. I believe that you

1395
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:30.239
<v Speaker 13>lured her out, just like the text messages show. And

1396
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:33.640
<v Speaker 13>I believe that what you need to do is be

1397
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:35.439
<v Speaker 13>responsible for your actions.

1398
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:38.640
<v Speaker 1>What makes this case even more chilling is the fact

1399
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:43.079
<v Speaker 1>that Caitlyn wasn't Amanda's only target. She was just the

1400
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:46.640
<v Speaker 1>first to respond. By her own admission, she reached out

1401
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:50.039
<v Speaker 1>to four different teenage girls that night. Any one of

1402
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:52.800
<v Speaker 1>them could have ended up as the victim to this brutal,

1403
01:14:53.039 --> 01:15:00.439
<v Speaker 1>senseless murder. Caitlin Root was just unfortunate and friendly accepted

1404
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Amanda's invitation to hang out, which was her undoing. Investigators

1405
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:10.720
<v Speaker 1>would later uncover on even more disturbing detail, Amanda and

1406
01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Sebastian had created a twisted mandate for themselves to kill

1407
01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:19.279
<v Speaker 1>two people per year. Had they gotten away with Caitlin's murder.

1408
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:22.479
<v Speaker 1>There's little doubt they would have struck again.

1409
01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:25.479
<v Speaker 31>I'd be curious to know what your feelings are on

1410
01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:29.640
<v Speaker 31>these other three girls, maybe all four of these girls.

1411
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:33.600
<v Speaker 13>Really, he didn't really care that much for the first

1412
01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:35.399
<v Speaker 13>person who would have went with you would have been

1413
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:37.199
<v Speaker 13>a person, and she's just the one and left.

1414
01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Following Amanda's confession, which was filled with contradictions and obvious lies,

1415
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:48.600
<v Speaker 1>investigators sat down with Sebastian one last time to confront

1416
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:52.239
<v Speaker 1>him with what she had said. He denied most of it,

1417
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:56.720
<v Speaker 1>falling back on memory lapses and claiming he couldn't recall details.

1418
01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:00.560
<v Speaker 1>It's funny how amniesia hits after you do something really bad,

1419
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:05.600
<v Speaker 1>much like Amanda. This follow up interview revealed a drastically

1420
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:10.600
<v Speaker 1>different version of Sebastian. The cold, stoic follower of Hades,

1421
01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Lord of the Underworld, had vanished. He was replaced by

1422
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.479
<v Speaker 1>a frightened, trembling young man who looked nothing like the

1423
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.159
<v Speaker 1>supernatural villain he claimed to be.

1424
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:26.439
<v Speaker 13>You seem perfectly fine. You didn't seem like you had

1425
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:29.000
<v Speaker 13>these you know, kind of like now the shades and

1426
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:30.920
<v Speaker 13>having a qualt being called.

1427
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:35.840
<v Speaker 42>It doesn't seem even it seems like more you're acting

1428
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:38.159
<v Speaker 42>more than anything right now, and I know that's nerves

1429
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:40.720
<v Speaker 42>and you don't want to become off as this this

1430
01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:42.840
<v Speaker 42>terrible animal or whatnot.

1431
01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:44.720
<v Speaker 23>You know, and I don't think you are.

1432
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:45.880
<v Speaker 8>I think you guys got.

1433
01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:46.399
<v Speaker 25>Caught up in a.

1434
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:51.960
<v Speaker 42>Kind of romany, a notion that this was something neat

1435
01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:54.840
<v Speaker 42>or cool, and now that the realism set in, and

1436
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:57.319
<v Speaker 42>it's really not so romany, cause it sound so neat.

1437
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:01.319
<v Speaker 42>You know, it's of the Twilight Saga. You know, it's

1438
01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:07.359
<v Speaker 42>real life, and it's affected both you guys and your

1439
01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:11.239
<v Speaker 42>families and Caitlin and her family. You know, you're kind

1440
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:14.359
<v Speaker 42>of looking for an hour in a sense of trying

1441
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.840
<v Speaker 42>to bury yourself behind this persona I do.

1442
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:19.960
<v Speaker 12>I think you got wrapped up in this ship.

1443
01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:22.880
<v Speaker 13>Mentally, physically, emotionally.

1444
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.199
<v Speaker 42>And then when it happened, you know, and now they

1445
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:29.600
<v Speaker 42>have to face their realism of it. I think the

1446
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:32.720
<v Speaker 42>realism has hit home, you know, and.

1447
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:34.000
<v Speaker 8>It's a mess.

1448
01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, this situation was a disturbing mess, and it was

1449
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:41.399
<v Speaker 1>now up to the justice system to sort it all out.

1450
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:45.560
<v Speaker 1>On that note, Amanda had an unusual suggestion for how

1451
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:47.319
<v Speaker 1>she thought the system should deal with.

1452
01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:52.920
<v Speaker 7>Her you guys are involved in this, Kaitlin's dead, what

1453
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:56.119
<v Speaker 7>do you think the for replenishment would be.

1454
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:01.840
<v Speaker 10>I mean, honestly, for me, was there and I didn't

1455
01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:08.840
<v Speaker 10>tell anybody anything happened, So I mean I should be

1456
01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:11.640
<v Speaker 10>put in jail for some time. But I do have

1457
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:16.640
<v Speaker 10>a baby that's two months old, and that's a vital

1458
01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:21.119
<v Speaker 10>part of his life because he's gonna be crawling soon.

1459
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:25.279
<v Speaker 10>He's gonna have his first Halloween without me there already,

1460
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:30.199
<v Speaker 10>he's gonna start talking, and he's grown out of all

1461
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:33.000
<v Speaker 10>of his clothes that I got for him and stuff,

1462
01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:35.640
<v Speaker 10>and I'm never gonna get to see him and those

1463
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:37.760
<v Speaker 10>and I'm not gonna get to dress him and stuff

1464
01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:38.079
<v Speaker 10>like that.

1465
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:40.000
<v Speaker 24>I don't know.

1466
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:43.159
<v Speaker 23>I mean, I mean, there's house rooms.

1467
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:48.039
<v Speaker 1>A man has suggested that as a mother house arrest

1468
01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:52.840
<v Speaker 1>would be an appropriate form of punishment. Fortunately, a prosecutor

1469
01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and judge saw things a little differently. I hate to

1470
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:59.000
<v Speaker 1>keep beating this drum because Jesus Christ talk about female privilege,

1471
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:02.960
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's what every baby needs. A psychopathic, maronic,

1472
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:06.359
<v Speaker 1>devil worshiping loser of a mom with bad taste in men,

1473
01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:12.039
<v Speaker 1>abandoning them to go kill innocent young women sure, Amanda.

1474
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:15.960
<v Speaker 1>In the end, both Amanda and Sebastian accepted plea deals,

1475
01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:20.000
<v Speaker 1>but not the kind they wanted. They pleaded guilty to

1476
01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:22.760
<v Speaker 1>second degree murder and were each sentenced to life in

1477
01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:25.479
<v Speaker 1>prison with the possibility of parole.

1478
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:27.079
<v Speaker 13>I would leave you with this.

1479
01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:32.279
<v Speaker 7>Caylin will never have a baby, her parents will never

1480
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:35.760
<v Speaker 7>see her get any older, her friends will never see her,

1481
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:39.159
<v Speaker 7>her grandparents, she'll never know.

1482
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:43.880
<v Speaker 23>I've listened to all of them things that people have said.

1483
01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:47.520
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, this is me saying that you know, when we care,

1484
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:49.840
<v Speaker 8>when we when we compare.

1485
01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:52.399
<v Speaker 13>The things that you're gonna miss.

1486
01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:54.279
<v Speaker 9>That sucks.

1487
01:19:56.399 --> 01:20:01.960
<v Speaker 13>But but you you have a chance in sunlight in

1488
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:04.760
<v Speaker 13>the future. Do you have a chance of parole?

1489
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:06.079
<v Speaker 2>You will.

1490
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:10.880
<v Speaker 31>I mean, as young age you are, chances are you'd

1491
01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:13.720
<v Speaker 31>probably come out of prison a young woman yet and

1492
01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:16.479
<v Speaker 31>get to remain the rest of your life for the better,

1493
01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:16.960
<v Speaker 31>I hope.

1494
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:19.720
<v Speaker 13>But Caitlyn will never have that opportunity.

1495
01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:23.239
<v Speaker 1>The murder of Caitlin Root wasn't the result of a

1496
01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:28.600
<v Speaker 1>sudden outburst or tragic misunderstanding. It was a calculated act

1497
01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:33.560
<v Speaker 1>fueled by delusion, detachment, and a warped sense of purpose.

1498
01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Amanda Bennett and Sebastian Dowell had isolated themselves from the world,

1499
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.159
<v Speaker 1>living in a bubble of dysfunction and feeding off one

1500
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:49.119
<v Speaker 1>another's twisted beliefs. Seemingly with Mom's approval, they spiraled deeper

1501
01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:53.840
<v Speaker 1>into a fantasy where they weren't just ordinary teenagers, where

1502
01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:56.680
<v Speaker 1>they weren't just the losers that we all know them

1503
01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:00.640
<v Speaker 1>to be, but in their own minds they were powerful,

1504
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:06.359
<v Speaker 1>dark figures, fulfilling some higher unholy calling what a bunch

1505
01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:10.079
<v Speaker 1>of fucking losers. In truth, they were nothing of the sort.

1506
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:15.079
<v Speaker 1>They were deeply troubled, profounding immature high school dropouts, clinging

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<v Speaker 1>to half baked ideas about Satanism and sacrifice, desperate to

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<v Speaker 1>inject meaning into their otherwise aimless lives. Their belief system

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just stupid, it was deadly, and Caitlin Root paid

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<v Speaker 1>the ultimate price for their stupidity. She was a kind hearted,

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<v Speaker 1>free spirited, and trusting seventeen year old who wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out, have a good time. Her life, her future,

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<v Speaker 1>and her relationships were stolen in a brutal, senseless act

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<v Speaker 1>committed by two people who confuse cruelty for purpose. What's

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<v Speaker 1>most haunting is how random this all was. Caitlyn wasn't

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01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.119
<v Speaker 1>targeted because she was part of a love triangle or

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<v Speaker 1>a bitter betray She was just the first person to

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<v Speaker 1>say yes to a Facebook message. That's it, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>It took one moment of trust, one response to an invitation,

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<v Speaker 1>and her life was over. As if making friends isn't

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<v Speaker 1>already hard enough, these losers go around killing people who

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<v Speaker 1>want to be their friend. If nothing else, this case

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<v Speaker 1>is a stark reminder of how dangerous isolation can become,

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<v Speaker 1>how toxic delusions confessed her, and how easily the innocent

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<v Speaker 1>can be pulled into someone else's madness. This show was

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<v Speaker 1>written and produced by Michael Stabeel, hosted by Yours truly

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Bude. Thank you so much for joining us. If

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<v Speaker 1>you like the show, check out our website swordscale dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll find our TV show on there, which is pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>I might want to check that out. So available at

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<v Speaker 1>only twenty bucks a month, you can cancel at any time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for sporting and stay safe.

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<v Speaker 21>Hey Mike, my name is Nicole.

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<v Speaker 36>I have been listening since twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 21>Tell everybody about the show.

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<v Speaker 1>It is my favorite thing.

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<v Speaker 21>Your storytelling is unmatched. Dude, listen. Not like you need

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<v Speaker 21>the advice from me, but screw the shit talkers.

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<v Speaker 4>You're incredible.

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<v Speaker 12>Keep doing what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Love the show, Thank you, it
