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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: What happened, It's okay, it's okay. Get it off your chest.

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Speaker 4: I didn't do anything.

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Speaker 3: You're a liar.

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Speaker 5: You danced around in her blood and blah blah, yay me,

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look at me. Here's to you, Satan.

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Speaker 3: Here's to you, my first sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: Life is hard, but it is wonderful, isn't it? And

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every day is a gift. So thank you for sharing

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yours with us today. This is episode three hundred and

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thirty of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals it

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the worst monsters are really tucked into the no their

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an edge of Saint Joseph, Missouri. Krug Park spans one

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hundred and sixty three acres of meticulously landscaped grounds, Renaissance

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style architecture, and winding walking trails.

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Speaker 2: Sounds nice, not.

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Speaker 1: For its rose gardens, quiet lagoon and even whimsical Italian castle.

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The park draws families and joggers alike, especially when it

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transforms into a glowing spectacle during the holidays. But beneath

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its tranquil charm and seasonal cheer, Krug Park holds a

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dark memory, one that shattered it's peaceful Facade's take a

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number one.

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Speaker 4: Where here emergency?

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Speaker 6: I'm not out running the trails to Krug Pork and

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I'm pretty sure I just ran right across.

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Speaker 2: The dead body.

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Speaker 4: Why do you think that there's a dead body there?

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Speaker 6: I wasn't sure there's a mannequin like Halloween or not,

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but because it's just sitting there still. But I just

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stood there, you know, for two minutes, trying to check

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everything in and it's real.

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Speaker 7: I didn't touch it.

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Speaker 8: I didn't know it.

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Speaker 9: Does she have any injuries or anything like that?

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 6: I came up to the front, but it looked like

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a whole woman over chest and then cut by her neck,

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like where her neck was. Okay, can you describe the

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person Tomy young waiting completely like her close girl rips office.

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Speaker 8: She was right next to her.

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Speaker 9: Did you see any hair, eye color on the female?

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Speaker 8: The wider wide open the ground.

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Speaker 1: On the morning of October sixteenth, twenty sixteen, a young

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man was walking through Crug Park when he made a

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discovery that would haunt him for the rest of his life.

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He found the body of a teenage girl lying exposed

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on the jogging trail. She had been stabbed repeatedly, her

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throat slit. This was no accident. It was a brutal

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and deliberate killing. When investigators arrived, the details were as

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strange as they were disturbing. The girl was naked, her

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clothes tossed nearby in plain sight. No attempt had been

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made to hide her or the clothing. There were no

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signs of sexual assault, and no form of identification was found.

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A search of the surrounding area turned up only a

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few broken and seemingly useless pieces of a cell phone.

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A medical examiner later concluded that the murder had taken

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place recently, likely within twenty four hours of the body

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being found. It was ultimately determined that the teenage girl

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was killed the night before. The investigator's first priority was

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to identify the girl. Until they had a name, she

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was referred to only as krug Park Jane. Hoping for

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a lead, detectives examined her discarded clothing and found a

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logo on a T shirt, one belonging to a nearby

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high school. They visited the high school, where the principle

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provided a tentative identification. A seventeen year old student named

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Caitlin Root. Your book photos confirmed it the victim was Caitlyn.

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Detectives then reached out to her family and continued the

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investigation by interviewing her father.

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Speaker 11: Now, is Caitlin the only child you guys have together?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Okay?

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Speaker 11: And when was the last time you saw Caitlyn?

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Speaker 12: It was actually in person?

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Speaker 13: It was probably around the I think probably the seventh okay.

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn's parents were divorced and she wasn't living with either

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of them at the time, which partly explained why no

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missing person's report had been filed before her body was found.

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Speaker 11: And when was the last time that she stayed with you?

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What's Caitlin's lifestyle? Like Jesus, let's follow her friends, okay,

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do whatever they do?

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Speaker 1: A few months before the murder, Caitlyn's mother was preparing

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for an out of state job transfer. At the time,

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Caitlyn was living with her, but the prospect of leaving

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her friends behind didn't sit well. She was determined to

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stay in Saint Joseph. Looking for another option, Caitlyn reached

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out to her best friend's mom and grandmother to ask

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if she could move in with them. They didn't hesitate

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and welcome to Caitlyn with open arms. They had known

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Caitlyn for years and already thought of her as family.

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Speaker 8: How do you feel about Caitlyn before this all happened?

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Speaker 13: You, what'd you think about her?

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Speaker 14: She's my daughter, She's not my biological No, But from

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the moment she walked in the door met me, I

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was mom.

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Speaker 15: That was that.

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn was welcomed by a loving family who offered her

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care and support. But the home was considerably chaotic and

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very crowded.

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Speaker 3: Hula lives there with her.

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Speaker 8: There's a list.

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Speaker 2: There's my buddy Pablo, and then Tabitha and her two daughters,

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and then grandma Grandpa and then basically they're nurses.

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Speaker 4: Don't care people take care of it.

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Speaker 16: Okay, yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: They also are trying to living at the residence.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, Yeah, there's actually two houses right next to

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store to each other. Okay, Grandpa has one and the

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grandma eyed the other.

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Speaker 3: And so where does Caitlyn stay? She stayed in Gremls.

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Speaker 1: Despite the crowded living situation, everyone in the house was

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glad to have Caitlyn move in. They genuinely liked her.

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In fact, Caitlin was well liked by many. Her cheerful

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personality and charm made people naturally gravitate towards her.

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Speaker 17: Caitlyn has she's crazy because it's a good crazy.

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Speaker 13: What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 18: Like, I she's kind of my personality, which is a

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bubbly which and Kaitlyn's she's fine to be wrong.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Tragically, Caitlyn's life was cut short at just seventeen years old,

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and investigators were faced with the heartbreaking duty of informing

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her family and friends that the young woman found in

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Krug Park was Caitlin Root.

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Speaker 11: You know, there's really no.

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Speaker 19: Easy way to say this or do this.

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Speaker 11: We do believe it is kit And and that was

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stunned up in crud Park. We're really probably pretty certain

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it is.

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Speaker 3: We do have a couple of pictures that.

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Speaker 20: If you'd be willing to take a look out to

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say for sure. Yeah, you know, there's really no easy

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way to prepare yourself for this. No, I'll just you

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know when you're ready, if you just want.

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Speaker 11: To Yeah, that's fair, relatively certain or one hundred percent or.

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Speaker 8: How can you be so sure?

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Speaker 13: There's too about a picture.

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Speaker 11: I'm so so very sorry for your loss.

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Speaker 3: Ye, Sanna says, you do that, Jar.

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Speaker 11: We're going to do everything in our power, you know,

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to be able to answer all the questions for you.

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Speaker 1: Naturally, everyone who knew and loved Caitlyn were desperate for answers.

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They wanted to know who had done this to her

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and why.

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Speaker 11: I just want to know who, so would we, And

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we're working on I just can't figure out why.

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Speaker 8: Even if we figure out who.

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Speaker 3: Why, hopefully they'll be able to explain it. Caitlyn.

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Speaker 19: Who would be that mad at her?

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: For a time, the case was a classic who'd done it?

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Caitlyn was an extremely well like teenager, making the brutal

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nature of her murder all the more perplexing. Investigators and

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loved ones alike were left asking the same haunting question,

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why would anyone want to kill her? Adding to the confusion,

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no one could explain why Caitlin had even been at

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Kirk Park in the first place.

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Speaker 19: So, as far as you do, you think it's out

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a character for her to be walking in the park.

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Speaker 8: Yes, she enjoyed nature at all, but.

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Speaker 16: She's never been to the park krug Park ever.

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Speaker 8: Okay, and the time even owners didn't like to be.

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year or two. I don't think she would go to

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the park unless it was a cohercion.

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Speaker 1: In their efforts to unravel the mystery, investigators spoke with

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several of Caitlyn's family members and everyone she'd been living with.

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All were cleared as suspects, and no one could shed

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light on why Caitlyn had gone to Krug Park that

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night the night she was killed. With those leads, exhausted,

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detectives shifted their focus to another group of people, Caitlyn's boyfriends.

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Speaker 14: She has dated several people. He has she was a

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very promiscuous, a little oh really, yes, And I'm not

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saying that.

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Speaker 19: To inspect disrespect her character, but she was.

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Speaker 14: And the week before this all happened, and she and

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I had gotten into an argument over it. I said, Caitlyn,

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I wouldn't have to do that to be liked.

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Speaker 8: Do you think she was doing to be liked?

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Speaker 21: I think she was doing it to be liked to.

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Speaker 3: Fit in.

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn had been through many short lived relationships, but at

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the time of her murder, she wasn't dating anyone.

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Speaker 3: So who's Caitlin dating at the time? She was dating nobody? Okay,

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who was she seeing somebody before?

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Speaker 19: Not that I knew, Like I knew there's somebody named

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Speaker 8: Okay.

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Speaker 3: If I were saying to give me somebody that would

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want to hurt her, who would come.

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Speaker 8: To your mind?

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Speaker 9: Mmm?

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Speaker 19: I would have to say Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Why would you say Kevin?

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Speaker 19: From what she was telling me before that she has

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put hands on her.

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Speaker 1: During the initial round of interviews, one name surfaced repeatedly,

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Kevin Whitmer. It quickly became clear that there had been

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some recent tension or drama between him and Caitlyn.

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Speaker 12: I know she was getting threats from Kevin Allan Whittmer.

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Speaker 22: She sent you about the guy who hit her? Yeah,

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who's this Whitmer? Apparently he hit her on Friday. She

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sent him a message saying, hey he hit me and

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stuff like that. Well, then other people started putting on

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was she putting on Facebook public?

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Speaker 23: Right?

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Speaker 13: Publicly?

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Speaker 11: Then all these other people started commenting on that.

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Speaker 2: What was it about?

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Speaker 3: Any idea what that was about?

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Speaker 24: No?

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Speaker 19: I had no clue.

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Speaker 1: Rumors started to swirl after a Facebook post and a

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string of comments beneath It suggested that Kevin Whitmer had

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recently gotten violent with Caitlin, but before investigators had a

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chance to find Kevin, he contacted them and voluntarily came

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to the police station for an interview.

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Speaker 8: How did you win it with her?

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Speaker 25: She is a friend of my old buddies. How long

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actually knowing her for? Probably maybe three weeks? When's the

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first time you gotta started talking or hanging out or whatever?

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Speaker 21: Actually talking? It would have been profotly three weeks ago.

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Speaker 13: That's just you know, conversation.

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Speaker 19: But when did you guys start hanging.

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Speaker 21: Out, hanging out dating? I think the first time we

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hung out was like a week and a half ago.

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Speaker 8: What did you guys do?

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Speaker 21: Just drove around?

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Speaker 12: Are you guys hanging up?

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Speaker 19: Its friends?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, friend looking into engaging in a relationship with her.

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She wanted to, but she's seventeen. I'm twenty one. That's

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Speaker 25: She wanted to, and I was like, I'm cool with friends,

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but that's as far as it's going to go. She

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tried to kissing me. I mean we kissed.

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Speaker 8: That's about it.

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Speaker 21: That's the end of it.

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Speaker 1: Twenty one year old Kevin told investigators he had only

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known Caitlyn for a short while and insisted he had

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no interest in a romantic relationship with her. According to him,

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that was Caitlyn who had wanted something more.

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Speaker 21: And then we finally got to hang out Thursday, and

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then she stayed the night with me.

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Speaker 12: You guys watch movies.

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Speaker 21: He wasn't sitting there on Facebook and talking.

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Speaker 19: Did she stay the night that night?

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Speaker 8: Okay? Anything going on that night? Now, here's the deal.

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Speaker 25: We've already talked about this seventeen twenty one, right, illegal,

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So I just want to make sure that you're telling

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you please. And later, the most she and I did

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talk to her about, you know, having sex. I just

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and she told me that she's had sex with multiple people,

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and I'm like, that's not going to happen. So we

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just cuddled and when we got up next morning, we

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laid in bed until probably, like I said, twelve thirty

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one o'clock, and then I took her ound and dropped

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her off.

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Speaker 1: Kevin explained he was put off by Caitlin's age and

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her alleged promise scuity, so he chose not to sleep

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with her or pursue a relationship. He also claimed the

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last time he saw her was three days before the murder,

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when he dropped her off at home. The following day,

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he received a strange and threatening phone call.

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Speaker 25: Six eight nine number called me and I was like,

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are you Kevin Whitmer? And I was like, who's this

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and he's like, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 21: Just know that you're a woman beat and if you're

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gonna beat on a woman and you can beat on me.

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Speaker 25: So I called Kitlyn and I was like, what the

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hell is going on? And she's like, you know, you

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hit me twice and gave me two bloody noses. And

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I was like, the fuck ever, I don't put my

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hands on women. She's like, you know what you did

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and fuck off or whatever, and she hung up on me.

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So I made a status after that and put it

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on Facebook. I have all the screenshots of all the

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comments up today to last night. Whenever I went to sleep,

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I woke up this morning like thirty plus people will

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comment on it.

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Speaker 8: So I just went and deleted it.

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Speaker 1: According to Kevin, Caitlyn had told someone you hit her.

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This was an allegation that he firmly denied.

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Speaker 26: Was her claiming that he punched her in the face

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and gave her a blighty nose and all that.

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Speaker 3: Why do you think that she would say that? What

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does she get out of it attention?

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Speaker 21: I don't know honestly.

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Speaker 1: With this new information, investigators were faced with possibilities, neither

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of which was easy to prove. Either Caitlyn upset over

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being rejected or falsely accused Kevin of violence, or Kevin

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was lying to cover up something far more sinister. Without evidence,

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both scenarios seemed frustratingly out of reach, and this was

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just the beginning. As the investigation unfolded, detectives encountered a

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growing list of unusual suspects, each one adding new layers

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of confusion. More often than not, interviews ended with more

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questions than answers, and investigators were left asking the one

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question that continued to haunt them. Who killed Caitlin Root.

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On October sixteenth, twenty sixteen, seventeen year old Caitlin Root

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was found murdered in Krug Park. She had been stabbed,

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her throat slit, her naked body left in plain sight.

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With no witnesses and a few leads, investigators struggled to

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piece together why she was there, who she was with,

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and what went so horribly wrong. Suspicions swirled around a

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young man named Kevin Whitmer, but nothing could be proven,

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and the deeper investigators dug the stranger the case became.

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During their conversations with Kevin, investigators learned about another young

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man who was reportedly eager and maybe even desperate to

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start a romantic relationship with Caitlin.

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Speaker 21: What exactly did she tell you about her?

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Speaker 8: This guy has the.

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Speaker 25: Biggest crush on her, going to be with him as

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messenger suicidally.

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Speaker 21: He wants to cut his health, He wants to kill

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his hell without on.

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Speaker 1: A Police were already familiar with the name Adam Brown.

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He was one of Caitlyn's closest friends. They'd known each

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other for years and were often seen together. To those

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who knew them, the dynamic was clear. Adam wanted something more,

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but Caitlyn had firmly placed him in the friend zone.

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Speaker 19: Adam hen always had a thing for it just never

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worked out.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's the way I would interpret it, just being

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by actions.

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Speaker 8: What do you mean by his actions?

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Speaker 4: He was always trying to impress her in somewhere.

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Speaker 3: She thought of him as a brother.

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Speaker 21: Nothing.

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Speaker 11: He he wanted more, He wanted more.

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Speaker 8: Do you think he was jealous of the attention neither

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young man got from her.

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Speaker 4: If he was, he never let a show.

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Speaker 27: And technically he's the last person we really know was

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seen with her right by his own mission.

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Speaker 1: Right after gathering some background information on Adam's relationship with Caitlyn,

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investigators brought him in for questioning.

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Speaker 28: WHOA.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was like fifteenth Saturday.

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Speaker 2: So I message Kitlyn and I asked her if she

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wanted to hang out for a little bit and I

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can come by because she was where she was staying

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was like right up the street from me.

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Speaker 4: Frinish just set over on the other portrait Grandpa.

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Speaker 3: So we were just talking and talking.

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Speaker 2: And talking, kissing up and we were just sitting there

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and then she like jumps off the fortune was like

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I gotta.

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Speaker 3: Go meet to Amanda. And I'm like, Amanda who.

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Speaker 2: And then she said, Amanda mix and I'm like, I

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wouldn't even just stay home.

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Speaker 19: It's late.

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Speaker 3: Told you get hurt.

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Speaker 1: Adam freely admitted he was with Caitlyn on the front

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porch of her home the night she was murdered, and

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that he was the last person to see her alive.

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He claimed that during their final moments together, Caitlyn abruptly

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decided to leave and meet up with someone else, Poor Adam.

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Adam said he I had to warn her not to go,

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but she ignored his advice.

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Speaker 9: She listened.

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Speaker 2: She went down to the corner on fifteenth and Olive

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got into the car that I couldn't even actually recognize.

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It looks like a sub ish kind of lookod thing,

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and it's last heard from her.

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Speaker 1: Adam told investigators that Caitlin stepped off her front porch,

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walked down the road, and climbed into a mysterious black suv.

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If you've heard enough Sword and Scale, you know that

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this kind of story immediately raises some red flags. Investigators

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wondered why someone would pick her up down the street

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instead of at her house. What were they trying to

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avoid or hide? Did this even really happen or was

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it just a whole story that Adam was making up

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just to cover his tracks.

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Speaker 3: So you guys just aw sitting there chatting on the

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front porch. So when does take a leave?

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Speaker 19: She left about like in between like ten thirty and eleven.

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Speaker 3: So how did she tell me? Started how she's up

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the leaves?

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Speaker 19: She was messaging Amanda on Facebook, and.

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Speaker 29: Uh, what's the relationship between her and Amanda as far

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than ano, They're just friends and.

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Speaker 3: That's Amanda Mix.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have they have had any trouble with each other

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before or no? But I've had my doubts about Amanda,

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and I don't really trust her. What do you mean, Patrick,

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Donton Like, to me, she's just not the kind of

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the right kind of people really be hanging out with

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personal nitpicking things that meet her.

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Speaker 3: We just don't click, don't make a long run.

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Speaker 23: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So basically, yeah, they were texting on Facebook. That's whenever

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she was like, I gotta ry to get down here,

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She's about to pull up and everything.

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Speaker 19: I'm like, oh, you should not go.

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Speaker 3: Did you say what she's gonna go do?

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Speaker 2: She said that they were gonna go sit at Hyde

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Park and they were gonna basically be hanging out and

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everything else, just basically doing girl stuff.

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Speaker 1: Adam identified the person who picked up Caitlyn as someone

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named Amanda Mix. This was a name that caught investigators

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off guard. Until this moment, no one else had mentioned

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her in connection with this case.

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Speaker 3: So, actually, when Caitlyn laugh, you were the only one

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I truly see her leave. Pretty much I was sitting

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on the fort on the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Investigators were clearly wary about him. There's something a little

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shady about him. They questioned both his account of that

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night and how he characterized his relationship with Caitlyn.

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Speaker 2: There was a brief moment where I we thought me

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and her need to eat together. But no, I'm sorry,

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I'm not gonna date my best friend for twelve years.

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Speaker 15: No.

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Speaker 3: So basically I was just so, how long did you

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guys date or how long did not work out?

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Speaker 30: We pretty much we were together for us six hours

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to really, uh, guys at repsacks, do you have any

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idea who might have done something to her?

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Speaker 2: I mean I can only pretty much like start where

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basically the first person I knew about that she was

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gonna be with, which would be a Manda, Like That's

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what That's why I think.

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Speaker 3: About first all the heck would I get in touch

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with Amanda?

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Speaker 2: That's a very good question that I haven't been able

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to get hold of.

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Speaker 3: Her all day.

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Speaker 1: Despite their doubts about Adam's story, investigators decided to look

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into Amanda mix. What they found was intriguing. Amanda, as

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it turns out, was once Caitlin's best friend.

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Speaker 31: You said that Amanda Mix and her were friends, but

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they had a falling out and recently.

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Speaker 13: And that person she was last thing with at time?

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Speaker 28: How do you know that?

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Speaker 22: From everybody who's told me that she came over to

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the house at fifteen to get Caitlyn And.

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Speaker 1: Before long, Amanda's name started coming up repeatedly in the investigation.

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Some even claimed that the former best friend of Caitlyn's

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had confessed to murder and the.

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Speaker 32: Next day that the candle lighting, My brother came up

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to me crying. I mean he was like shaking and crying,

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and he's like, hey, dude, he said, I'm glad I

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found you.

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Speaker 19: He's like, I'm scared shitless right now. He's like, she

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admitted it. He was like, admitted, who who come down

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and tell me what was going on? He sat there

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and told me, he's like, she admitted it.

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Speaker 8: I was like, who, mid what?

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Speaker 19: He's like Amanda?

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Speaker 32: She admitted that she, her and several other people would

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beat that ship out of that root girl.

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Speaker 19: Did they You said earlier that they did.

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Speaker 16: You referred to them as they had jumped her.

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Speaker 19: I don't know who they are, okay. He just said

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Amanda and several other people.

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Speaker 1: Eventually, investigators brought Amanda Mix in for questioning, but her

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situation was a bit different from the other potential suspects.

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Unlike the rest, Amanda had not come willingly. She was

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picked up on an unrelated outstanding warrant. What you know

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is always a good sign.

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Speaker 16: Do you know a girl?

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Speaker 13: My name paper Root?

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Speaker 27: Yes?

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Speaker 8: How do you know?

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Speaker 13: Do I have to say all this?

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm I'm just asking questions.

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Speaker 13: I'm just curious how we know work?

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Speaker 12: Well, she's your best friend?

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Speaker 11: Oh, she's a best friend?

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Speaker 24: Was tip.

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Speaker 12: I don't really, I don't hang on anyone.

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Speaker 10: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Which you too?

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Speaker 11: I mean that you guys aren't friends anymore.

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Speaker 12: Well somemore like we didn't be like just when our

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00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,960
suzing this, I don't have any turn.

478
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: This from a man that told investigators there was no

479
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,839
bad blood between her and Caitlyn. They had simply grown

480
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,359
a part over time, which is why they were no

481
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,000
longer as close as they once were.

482
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 11: You never had a falling out as Caitlin than anything

483
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:38,079
a while back, while, you guess, I mean because I haven't.

484
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,160
I've got friends of that girl now for a long time.

485
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:43,240
Was everything that ever happened between you two that he

486
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,720
was kind of lost track of each other.

487
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 12: They're just I haven't I've lost off friends because I don't.

488
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I don't want thing in the rock people.

489
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Speaker 11: Are you are even really mad or passed off a

490
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,680
Caitlyn or anything?

491
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,839
Speaker 12: Okay, this is about I'm messing about Caitlyn.

492
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,559
Speaker 23: Okay, So why is I mean?

493
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 13: Why, Well, she's missing what she's missing?

494
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:05,599
Speaker 8: Yeah?

495
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 12: When did miss the other day?

496
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 11: I'm not quite sure what they's the last time you

497
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:12,799
saw her?

498
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,559
Speaker 12: Oh, I've just seen her.

499
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,039
Speaker 23: I mean I went to a fuck. I don't know

500
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,920
the day. It was like some day last week, because

501
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,000
there's I love Caitlyn, I really do, and I don't

502
00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:28,680
know anything.

503
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 12: I haven't the last time I've seen her but that

504
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,799
when we have a ride.

505
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: Amanda appeared genuinely unaware that Caitlyn was dead. She told

506
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,519
investigators the last time she saw her was more than

507
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:45,400
a week before the murder. According to Amanda, she and

508
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,079
her boyfriend were walking past Caitlyn's house when they spotted

509
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,640
her sitting on the front porch. Amanda asked if anyone

510
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,799
inside could give them a ride home, and Caitlyn found

511
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someone willing to help. Since that day, Amanda had no

512
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,519
seen or heard from Caitlyn, or so she claimed her Facebook.

513
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 12: Talked about Yeah. Yeah, not recently.

514
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:08,839
Speaker 19: No recently.

515
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:11,319
Speaker 12: It hasn't been recently at all.

516
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:14,519
Speaker 11: I have, don't somebody something you guys talked the other

517
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:15,319
day on Facebook?

518
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,079
Speaker 8: Is that not true?

519
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 23: That's not true.

520
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,519
Speaker 12: I have talked to Caitlyn on Facebook that I mean,

521
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:24,880
Facebook accounts.

522
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 23: To you one.

523
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 18: I just feel like there's something You're just one does

524
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,839
I promise I'm not keep me anything from.

525
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,079
Speaker 1: Amanda also claimed she had not communicated with Caitlin through

526
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,400
texts or social media in quite some time. If true,

527
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,880
that directly contradicted Adam Brown's statement. He told police that

528
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,880
Caitlyn was messaging Amanda the very night she was killed.

529
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:50,839
Speaker 3: I don't be honest.

530
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 11: We talked with somebody said that you were with her

531
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:53,119
Saturday night?

532
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 13: Are you serious?

533
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:55,039
Speaker 8: Yeah?

534
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 12: Okay, I wouldn't for Saturday Night's no big deal.

535
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,839
Speaker 11: Why something would lie and say that you were with

536
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,039
her on Saturday.

537
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 12: Exactly unless they don't want to get somebody else in trouble.

538
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,480
I could get a serious trouble. Was whatever the fuck's

539
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:07,759
going on?

540
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:08,799
Speaker 13: What's going on?

541
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Speaker 12: Whatever the situation is. I don't know what's going on, saying.

542
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:14,759
Speaker 11: So, you mean tell me you didn't know that Kitlan

543
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:15,359
has been missing?

544
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 23: No, I didn't know, shouldn't No, Now, so.

545
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 20: What would you say, I said, if somebody saw you

546
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,920
leaving with her about ten o'clock Saturday night.

547
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,599
Speaker 12: I laugh, actually, because it's true ten o'clock that I

548
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:30,400
was under my roof.

549
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: Amanda insisted she was home the night of the murder,

550
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and she was adamant about it. She even claimed she

551
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,279
could back it up. At the time, Amanda was living

552
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,839
in a group home, and she told investigators that the

553
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,079
house manager could confirm her whereabouts.

554
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 12: That's hilarious, did.

555
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,319
Speaker 23: Kissing me off?

556
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 17: But if we called Tina right now, we get us

557
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,039
all verified.

558
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,559
Speaker 12: But I don't know if you called her, we'll get

559
00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:57,160
around to calling her, said, I try to get to

560
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,519
cant with all this. Okay, she all ship because I

561
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,319
didn't leave with her at ten o'clock. Pena, I mean,

562
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,839
very very I don't know, y'all.

563
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,359
Speaker 23: This is a full ship. That's why I would like

564
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,119
you to call her around.

565
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,559
Speaker 3: So let's see if I'll get somebody to call Tina.

566
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Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly, she didn't even tell you I was there.

567
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Speaker 23: Saturday night.

568
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,839
Speaker 1: Amanda urged investigators to contact her house manager to confirm

569
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,279
her alibi, and she grew increasingly impatient as the questioning continued.

570
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:28,279
Speaker 12: I have not hoped, Caitlyn, I try to repeating myself. No,

571
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:29,759
I want to know the whole story. That's what I

572
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:30,160
want to know.

573
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 18: That's exactly what I want to know, because I'm telling you, guys,

574
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:33,400
what the fuck I.

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00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 12: Did Saturday night ten o'clock.

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00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,359
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I'm telling you that people are telling me

577
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,319
you the last person that.

578
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 12: Well, that's hilarious. Call Tina please when because I want

579
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,640
to hear her.

580
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Speaker 17: Tell y'all you know this sounds like one of the

581
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:53,119
mysteries fucking TV shows does so this is Cartina, Please

582
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,480
give us your figure it.

583
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,759
Speaker 12: Out like this is ridiculous. If y'all just call, y'all

584
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:02,839
know the fucking truth. I'm not totally enjoy cartoon.

585
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:04,599
Speaker 13: It's one of those things.

586
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 12: It's one of those things where you can't get that

587
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:07,160
fucking bird right now?

588
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:09,279
Speaker 23: Is that not make sense?

589
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 12: You can go give my boyfriend and he'll tell you

590
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:13,680
the same exactly ship.

591
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 16: Why are young?

592
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 12: Because he's I'm really doing something to Kaitlyn. I don't

593
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,119
really fucking talk to Kaitlyn anymore. Anything happened to face? Okay,

594
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,440
she's missing. Oh so something obviously has happened.

595
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,519
Speaker 11: Maybe she's in Cansteady. Maybe Calen.

596
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 10: How do you know that?

597
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 12: I've been friends with her for a while. So but

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I know, Okay, just because I'm no, I will go. No,

599
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,160
I'm done, I don't want to talk.

600
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Speaker 10: I'm not talking.

601
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Speaker 12: I'm gonna be silent. I just will go, That's all.

602
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Speaker 1: Amanda took a firm stance with investigators and ultimately chose

603
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,759
to remain silent, which is of course her right. When

604
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,400
they followed up with their house manager, the story she

605
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,559
gave them seemed to check out. Amanda had signed in

606
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,039
early that evening, but the alibi wasn't airtight. Nothing would

607
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,200
have prevented her from slipping out unnoticed. Later that night,

608
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:16,519
once again, investigators were faced with two conflicting stories. Either

609
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:20,119
Adam Brown had lied about Caitlin messaging and leaving with

610
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,359
Amanda Mix or Amanda was lying about her whereabouts on

611
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,960
the night of the murder. Now's a good time to

612
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400
test your slothing abilities. And I ask you who do

613
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,039
you think was responsible? Out of these two? I wonder

614
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,440
if you'll get it right, because what came next was

615
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:44,720
a revelation that no one expected. Neither of them had lied. Yeah,

616
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:49,160
how about that the person who had actually misled the

617
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,240
investigators and did not tell the truth was the most

618
00:31:53,480 --> 00:32:24,720
unlikely person of all, the victim, Caitlin Root. In October

619
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,519
of twenty sixteen, homicide investigators in Saint Joseph, Missouri, were

620
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:33,039
deep into the investigation of seventeen year old Caitlin Root's

621
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:37,319
brutal murder. Caitlyn's body had been found in Krug Park.

622
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,599
With a few clues to follow, investigators chased down leads,

623
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:45,480
questioned family and friends, and attempted to unravel conflicting stories,

624
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:50,119
but nothing was adding up. Then came a stunning theory.

625
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,960
Perhaps the person misleading them wasn't a suspect. Perhaps it

626
00:32:56,119 --> 00:33:02,119
was Caitlin herself. You see, Caitlyn's close friend Adam Brown,

627
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,720
told investigators that the last time he saw her, she'd

628
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:08,319
said that she was going to meet up with Amanda Mix.

629
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:12,400
Maybe she told him the truth, or maybe it was

630
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,839
a lie. It was entirely possible that Caitlyn had plans

631
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,880
with someone else that night and just didn't want anyone

632
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,599
to know. With answers still elusive, investigators returned to the

633
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,799
crime scene and expanded their search of the area. This

634
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,359
decision led to a crucial breakthrough. While the initial sweep

635
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,359
had uncovered only broken fragments of Caitlyn's cell phone, the

636
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:43,319
extended search turned up even more pieces. FORENDSIC specialists managed

637
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:47,880
to reassemble the phone, giving detectives access to Caitlyn's texts

638
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:53,839
and social media. This was a game changer. The recovered

639
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:57,000
messages revealed that Caitlin had been planning to meet someone

640
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:02,200
named Amanda that night, but not Amanda Mix. It was

641
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,200
another teenager who had gone to high school with Caitlin.

642
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,159
Her name was Amanda Bennett. These messages revealed that Amanda

643
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,000
Bennett had invited Caitlin to hang out with her and

644
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:17,440
her boyfriend, and had even told her not to tell

645
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:23,159
anyone who she was with. Armed with this discovery, investigators

646
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,119
quietly surveiled Amanda Bennett and her boyfriend for several days

647
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:32,360
before making their move. Both were arrested. Amanda's mom was

648
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,920
also brought in for questioning.

649
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,159
Speaker 16: So, Amanda and Sebashian both live with you, correct? And

650
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,000
how long has you been.

651
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 12: Living with you?

652
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 4: He's been there at least over a year.

653
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 16: Where's Amanda working at right now?

654
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 4: She worked at and Morpholt Pizza Hut with me.

655
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 16: And how about Sebastian whores?

656
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 4: She work at the McDonald's down on the interstate.

657
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,599
Speaker 16: What do they do for the fun besides that the house?

658
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,679
What kind of things do they do?

659
00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 4: I don't really do much, That's what I'm saying.

660
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Speaker 9: Said.

661
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 4: I have internet and netflips and all that, so they

662
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,840
very much to stay in their room and watch TV

663
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:06,440
or they play video games.

664
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Speaker 16: They ever going where and hanging out? Not really, No

665
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,480
anyone ever come to the house hang out.

666
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,159
Speaker 4: And that's been a lot of Amanda's problems. She don't

667
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,960
have very many friends, so she doesn't have any friends,

668
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,360
and she'll tell you that she doesn't hang out with anybody.

669
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: Investigators learned that seventeen year old Amanda Bennett and her

670
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,480
eighteen year old boyfriend Sebastian Dowell were living with Amanda's mom.

671
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,360
The couple was reclusive, with no known friends or social connections.

672
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,440
What they did have was a newborn son who was

673
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,519
just a few months old. The soft cooping heard in

674
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,559
the background of this interview belongs to their baby.

675
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Speaker 26: I don't keep trying Sebastian honestly, because I can care

676
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,320
less about Sebastian.

677
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:51,199
Speaker 8: What's with that?

678
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 4: Well, he's lazy pretty much. There's always an excuse why

679
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,360
he can't get up there to work, or you know,

680
00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:59,800
he doesn't want to do any tours around the house.

681
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,480
He's just not a good dad. She's usually up with

682
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:05,400
the baby all night.

683
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 26: She's been trying to go to school and then working,

684
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:10,280
and he does nothing, and it makes me mad.

685
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 4: And I was to the point, I've been talking to

686
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,000
my son. I said, you know, she's been talking.

687
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 26: About moving out with them, and if that's the case,

688
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,360
I'm giving attorney.

689
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 4: And get CASTI ah Siler because.

690
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Speaker 26: From what it sounds, and he also has a two

691
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,480
year old little girl, and I know that he doesn't

692
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:31,039
ever see her.

693
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,159
Speaker 4: More page old sport doesn't do anything for a man.

694
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,079
Speaker 1: His mom shared some background with investigators about her daughter

695
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,960
and Sebastian. She confirmed that both were high school dropouts,

696
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:48,400
with Amanda working at Pizza Hut and Sebastian at McDonald's.

697
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,360
What a pair. She also admitted she wasn't fond of Sebastian,

698
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:59,360
describing him as a lazy, inattentive, and irresponsible father. When

699
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,960
asked about the night Caitlin Root was murdered. She recalled

700
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000
that Amanda and Sebastian had gone out, supposedly to see

701
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:11,000
a movie. They returned home very late. And you work together,

702
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:14,039
so you're together all day until nine pm. You so

703
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,519
when you come home nine pm, does she ride home

704
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:16,760
with you?

705
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 12: Yes?

706
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,599
Speaker 4: Okay, so we came home.

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00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 26: Sebastian was home with the baby, and I'm going to

708
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,320
watch on my phone because I want to say that

709
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,480
that was the night they went to the movies.

710
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 4: As far as I know, they went to the movies,

711
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:30,800
is what I was told.

712
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,119
Speaker 16: Okay, I'm going to take your car. Yes, And what

713
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,800
time do you think they text you to tell you

714
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,159
that they're going over to Jermys.

715
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,199
Speaker 33: Well, they didn't actually text me to tell me that

716
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,559
it's where they were going. I text her and asked her,

717
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:43,480
I said, where are you guys at? Because I don't

718
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,400
think the movie lasts no three hours, so it was

719
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,920
like ten, I'm on twelve thirty.

720
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 4: She said, oh, we came over to Jeremy's house.

721
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,199
Speaker 1: After their conversation with Amanda's mom, investigator sat down with

722
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:01,199
Amanda herself, who appeared remarkably unfazed by the situation, showing

723
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,239
little concern or emotion as the questioning started.

724
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 19: You're seventeen, okay today birthday?

725
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:08,639
Speaker 10: Yeah?

726
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:09,599
Speaker 19: What was the last grade level?

727
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 24: And sto?

728
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,559
Speaker 19: When you completed? I finished sophomore year and you're working

729
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:17,199
anywhere Northville? Any idea why you're here?

730
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 24: M hmm.

731
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I find it hard to believe you

732
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,079
don't know why you're here. We have a lot of information,

733
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,000
we have a lot of evidence, and I know you

734
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:30,679
know why you're here.

735
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:31,559
Speaker 2: You know.

736
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:40,039
Speaker 30: I don't believe that your involvement is done on your own.

737
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,199
I know that you know as somebody else was there,

738
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,320
and we don't think you're a bad person, not at all.

739
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:48,559
Speaker 23: When do I ask for a lawyer?

740
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,119
Speaker 19: You can ask for a lawyer any time you want,

741
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:52,880
if that's.

742
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: What you want to do.

743
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 9: Do you guys think I did something?

744
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: So what do you think we think you did?

745
00:38:59,400 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 9: I don't know.

746
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,119
Speaker 8: Then I would think you would.

747
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,559
Speaker 19: Want to find out what you're supposed.

748
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:06,079
Speaker 9: To tell me? What do you think I do?

749
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: Amanda claim she had no idea what was going on,

750
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:12,840
and it quickly became clear that a confession wasn't coming

751
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,400
anytime soon. Shifting tactics investigators eased into a gentler line

752
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,280
of questioning, focusing instead on her relationship with Sebastian.

753
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 19: Does he stay anywhere else now? Even occasionally every night?

754
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,800
At you the thumb on that right? Make sure he's

755
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,840
very supposed to be.

756
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 17: Yep, he's pretty.

757
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,199
Speaker 4: You got to keep a lock on that.

758
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 19: He's pretty. Yet, do you guys ever go out separate?

759
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,960
Do you guys ever do separate things?

760
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:44,679
Speaker 2: You go?

761
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 19: He goes where he goes, you go.

762
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:46,679
Speaker 8: Huh?

763
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 19: Except for work, of course?

764
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 9: Yeah. I'm usually at his work too, But except for

765
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:53,159
when I work.

766
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,039
Speaker 8: Who do you guys run around with? I mean, who

767
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,079
do you guys do stuff with? Other than you know,

768
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:02,440
when you guys go through something friends? You guys don't

769
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,239
run around with anybody. You don't hang out with anybody.

770
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:12,119
It's just you two exciting and we just don't have friends.

771
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,599
We don't have any Sebastian didn't.

772
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 19: Have any friends.

773
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 9: No, I don't. I don't let him.

774
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: Amanda was pretty open about her relationship with Sebastian and

775
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,239
admitted to being a very controlling presence in his life.

776
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:26,800
Let's put it that way.

777
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:28,599
Speaker 9: I shaved his legs.

778
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,119
Speaker 3: What he lets you shave his legs?

779
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 19: Like with a razor shave, like all the way up

780
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:35,079
top all the way down.

781
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 8: Why's that I.

782
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 23: Wanted to get rid of his masculinity?

783
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 8: Okay, now you're gonna have to explain that one to me.

784
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,119
Speaker 19: You got me scratched, Well you do too.

785
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:53,039
Speaker 1: Apparently, investigators also questioned Amanda about her religious beliefs, particularly

786
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,320
her views on the devil. Their curiosity stemmed from a

787
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,440
search of her bedroom, where they had found books related

788
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,199
to Satanism. In her basement, they also found a journal

789
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,920
penned by Amanda that was full of bizarre writings about demons,

790
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:14,840
sacrificing souls and controlling fire with one's mind. How about that?

791
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 19: So, what do you think about the devil? Do you

792
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:22,320
think the devil is this? Have you ever looked into

793
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,360
other forms of religion? Have you ever considered of the

794
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,199
forms of religion a sparimn with a that, or any

795
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,599
Satanic step or anything like that.

796
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 8: So you have faith in God, but you've questioned it.

797
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,639
Speaker 10: Well, I've grown up believing that, Like ever since I

798
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,639
was born, I was in a church environment.

799
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: After gaining more insight into Amanda, her relationship with Sebastian

800
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:52,440
and her beliefs, investigators turned to a crucial question, where

801
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:56,000
was she in Sebastian on the night of October fifteenth,

802
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,960
twenty sixteen, the night Caitlin Root was murdered.

803
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 10: We were gonna go to the movies because I got

804
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:07,159
two for like free tickets, you know how they use

805
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:07,960
free tickets.

806
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 23: But we watched The.

807
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 9: Girl in the Train.

808
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,599
Speaker 8: That is that good?

809
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 9: No, most scary movies nowadays are good.

810
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 19: They stayed for the whole movie.

811
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:21,119
Speaker 8: The movie and.

812
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 10: Weird, just weird.

813
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,039
Speaker 9: It was all like a mystery about like a murder.

814
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: Who did the murder?

815
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:31,519
Speaker 9: Oh?

816
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,559
Speaker 23: Pay in session.

817
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 9: It was a boring movie, and then we went to

818
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:42,400
a specialist dad's house.

819
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: Amanda told investigators that she and Sebastian had gone to

820
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,880
see the movie The Girl on the Train that night,

821
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,920
but when asked about the plot, she couldn't recall a

822
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,360
single detail. Pro tip, if you're gonna use a movie

823
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,599
as an alibi, make sure you've actually seen it. Also,

824
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,840
that movie was fantastic, So if you say it was boring,

825
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,480
then you're either lying or you're extremely unintelligent, or most

826
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,199
likely both. Amanda went on to say that after the movie,

827
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,199
the two of them headed to Sebastian's dad's house and

828
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,639
spent a few hours there. But Amanda didn't know that

829
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,039
investigators had already done their homework. You see, this is

830
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:23,840
the kind of person that doesn't do homework, so she

831
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,360
assumes no one else does either. The police had reviewed

832
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:32,119
surveillance footage from the theater, and neither Amanda nor Sebastian

833
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:37,079
appeared in any of it. Her story was obviously a lie.

834
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 8: Why would you tell me that you were at the

835
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:40,360
movies when you.

836
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 21: Weren't at the movies?

837
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 4: Were the movies.

838
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 8: At the late? Movie was started at ten ten of

839
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:48,400
Girl on the Train?

840
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 9: Then?

841
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 8: Why, I mean, are you guys like invisible or something?

842
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,480
Or I mean, why won't you be on the video

843
00:43:57,519 --> 00:43:58,159
and you're not there?

844
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 27: Well, hey, you got to be there. If you were there,

845
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,599
you had to go up to the window and get

846
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:08,039
exchange your passes for tickets. Right, Neither one of you

847
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,039
are on video getting the tickets there. They've got the

848
00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:13,280
videos on thumb drives. They're gonna bring them back here,

849
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,480
you know, and you can't be there if you're not there.

850
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:18,760
You know, all the cameras don't lie.

851
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 8: So tell me why you wouldn't be on on video?

852
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 9: I don't know.

853
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:28,119
Speaker 27: I would suggest it's because you weren't there, And I

854
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:29,840
would suggest you were somewhere else.

855
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,039
Speaker 8: And you don't want to tell me about that.

856
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 4: We were of the movies.

857
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 8: What would you say if we had Sebastian on videos

858
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,519
somewhere else?

859
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,119
Speaker 9: I'd say you were a liar?

860
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 19: Are you afraid to tell us the truth?

861
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: No?

862
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 8: I went to the movie other than the movie.

863
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 19: Are you afraid to tell us the truth?

864
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: Are you afraid us to know everything?

865
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 8: But for us to know everything that happens Saturday nine?

866
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 23: I told you everything that happened.

867
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: In addition to the theater footage, police had surveillance from

868
00:44:56,519 --> 00:45:01,000
another location that placed Sebastian across town, alarmingly close to

869
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,000
Kruk Park. A street camera captured him sitting in the

870
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:11,039
passenger seat of Amanda's mom's car, presumably Amanda was behind

871
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:11,480
the wheel.

872
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,639
Speaker 8: So how do we explain that?

873
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,159
Speaker 27: How do we explain your car with Sebastian in it

874
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,760
being at a completely different location.

875
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,519
Speaker 3: The time the movie was going on. Are you scared

876
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:23,880
right now?

877
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 10: M M?

878
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 8: I would be because you're not telling it's the truth.

879
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,039
Speaker 3: I would be looking for a chance to help yourself

880
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:33,679
and stop lying.

881
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 9: I mean, if you think I did something wrong.

882
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 17: Either way, I'm going down.

883
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 8: No, that's not true. If you didn't do it, you

884
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,719
wouldn't have anything to worry about. You wouldn't need to

885
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,440
be scared. Right now, I'm not scared, but you should

886
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:50,880
be because.

887
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 4: I know you did it, and I know see you

888
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:53,960
think I did it.

889
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 8: No, I know, I understand. It's not It's not a matter.

890
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,519
Don't get upset.

891
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:01,039
Speaker 27: I'm talking to you, I mean a person being really.

892
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:02,719
I told you I would not lie to you. I

893
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,800
will not tell you that I can prove something that

894
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,639
I can't prove. You know, this is not our first rodeo.

895
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 8: We've had a.

896
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 9: Tens seven homicides in Sant Joe in the past year. Yeah,

897
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,320
at least that you found a body for it, right,

898
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,480
it's probably more.

899
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 8: But is well? Who said anything about the homicide?

900
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 4: Google?

901
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 8: But I mean, we didn't say anything about a homicide.

902
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: Interestingly, the first mention of murder during this interview didn't

903
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:36,079
come from investigators. It came from Amanda herself. Oops, I

904
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:38,639
guess you're not the criminal mastermind you thought you were.

905
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:40,320
I ain't that right, Amanda?

906
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 8: He says, this is a homicide we're talking about. Is

907
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,199
there something we need to know about a homicide.

908
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 9: Well, you're investigating the homicide.

909
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 8: We're investigating hundreds of crimes.

910
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,679
Speaker 9: Well that's the only one in the news, so I'm assuming.

911
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 8: So what do you know about the homicide? Then? Since

912
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,079
you talking about it, what do you know about.

913
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,599
Speaker 23: It the stuff in the news.

914
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: For a while, Amanda stuck to her flimsy story about

915
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,800
going into the movies on the night of the murder,

916
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,239
even though it had already been disproven, so investigators decided

917
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,000
to leave her alone in the interrogation room and shift

918
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:20,159
their focus to her boyfriend, eighteen year old Sebastian Dowell.

919
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 21: Saturday, did you work last Saturday?

920
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 12: A week ago today?

921
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 28: Well it's not good for sure?

922
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,119
Speaker 9: Was off that? Okay?

923
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 13: So would you guys do anything Saturday?

924
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 34: No, we just stay home.

925
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 13: Stayed home the whole time.

926
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,039
Speaker 12: It's Saturday.

927
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 35: High note, no daylight, No, just watch TV and watch Netflix.

928
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: For investigators, it was clear that Amanda and Sebastian hadn't

929
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,960
coordinated their story very well. Amanda said they were going

930
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,800
to a movie on the night of the murder, while

931
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,920
Sebastian insisted they had stayed home the entire time.

932
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,159
Speaker 13: So who's that the domin hearing the one in the house,

933
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,599
probably her. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the same way, right,

934
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:10,840
the same.

935
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,559
Speaker 23: Way she jealous one.

936
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:19,119
Speaker 13: She doesn't time my ass, damn like majorly majorly tell

937
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:20,719
me about that almost just like me.

938
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,199
Speaker 8: Efficient.

939
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,199
Speaker 28: If she thinks I did something.

940
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,559
Speaker 31: Wrong, she'll yell and so, what's so a violent thing

941
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:28,320
she's ever done?

942
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:29,679
Speaker 8: Over jealous him?

943
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 9: She uh.

944
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 13: Freshened my ribs.

945
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:37,119
Speaker 28: I think she tried to stab me at one point.

946
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 17: Wow, how does she break your ribs?

947
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 13: She did me and punched me.

948
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 11: Ain't try to stab you.

949
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's scary.

950
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she has always been controlling.

951
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:52,119
Speaker 11: I have to ask if I can move in the house.

952
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:52,559
Speaker 36: I have to.

953
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:56,559
Speaker 28: Ask her anything if I want to do anything.

954
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: Sebastian confirmed the control nature of his relationship with Amanda

955
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,920
and added a disturbing layer. He claimed Amanda's dominance over

956
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:12,320
him was enforced through violence, alleging that she had once

957
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,400
fractured his ribs and even tried to stab him. While

958
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,280
the rest of the interview offered deeper insight into their

959
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:23,679
toxic and abusive relationship, much of the audio was difficult

960
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,000
to make out, with Sebastian muttering barely above a whisper,

961
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,519
like a little kid. Still, he revealed that both he

962
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:37,119
and Amanda were deeply involved in Satanism and considered themselves

963
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:42,159
devoted followers. As for Caitlin Root, Sebastian claimed he barely

964
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,840
knew her. According to him, the only time they met

965
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,480
was on the day his son was born, when Caitlyn

966
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:53,119
visited Amanda in the hospital and get this, started flirting

967
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,679
with him right there, right in the hospital, right in

968
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:56,440
front of Amanda.

969
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,639
Speaker 11: Again, I was lot there, but she'd being disrespectful, like.

970
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 3: In her face, like Jolman and Anna's face that.

971
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,559
Speaker 28: She's who was kind of disrespectful as saying.

972
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,519
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm kind of missing here is she

973
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:18,400
are not really friends, but she shows up at the

974
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,199
hospital and starts hitting on the father of the child.

975
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 3: I mean why, I mean, listen.

976
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

977
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: According to Sebastian, during the hospital visit, Caitlin implied that

978
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Amanda's newborn son wasn't his, but rather a child of

979
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:40,599
Amanda's ex boyfriend. This suggestion infuriated Amanda. Hooe's mad as

980
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:45,920
they say. Finally, after two hours of questioning, Sebastian requested

981
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,840
a lawyer bringing the interview to a close. Investigators then

982
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,440
shifted their attention back to Amanda, returning to the interrogation

983
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:55,960
room where she'd been waiting.

984
00:50:56,639 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 8: What happens at the homicide?

985
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:06,119
Speaker 4: She did, Well, you know you've seen you saw.

986
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,639
Speaker 27: Too with your own eyes mm hmm and at your

987
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:14,519
hands mm hmm. She did, honey, mm hmmm. Your phone

988
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,440
tells a different story, your messages.

989
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,079
Speaker 29: And if you want to sit and continue to lie

990
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,440
and say no, no, no, and when you go to

991
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:25,159
court and we prove this, this, this, this, this and

992
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,679
this that we have and you sit there and say

993
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:32,000
I don't know anything, show no remorse, say you didn't.

994
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 8: Do it, and the reason is gone.

995
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:35,519
Speaker 2: I mean we know.

996
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:38,119
Speaker 3: It's not a threat.

997
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:40,159
Speaker 10: Going to do that.

998
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 8: No, don you get convicted, honey, I'm going away forever.

999
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:45,920
And you don't do anything to.

1000
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 19: Help yourself to explain and be raised by somebody else

1001
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,320
to to.

1002
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,119
Speaker 8: Explain why this happened. Don't you think that everybody deserves

1003
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:57,400
to at least know why? Sure didn't tell us why?

1004
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:59,119
Speaker 9: Why?

1005
00:51:59,239 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 24: What?

1006
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 8: Why? You guys killed this girl?

1007
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 17: We didn't kill anyone.

1008
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:05,159
Speaker 3: That's not true, and.

1009
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:05,639
Speaker 9: You know it.

1010
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: This time, investigators adopted a much tougher approach with Amanda,

1011
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,840
and it quickly revealed the very cold and callous side

1012
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:16,559
of her personality.

1013
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 27: There's only two people that were there, you and Sebastian.

1014
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,199
So you're telling me he did it all.

1015
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:24,519
Speaker 4: He didn't do anything that who did?

1016
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 9: Then?

1017
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:26,679
Speaker 37: Bear?

1018
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,199
Speaker 8: You know what I'm beginning to think. What I'm beginning to.

1019
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,679
Speaker 37: Think is you are a very cool, hard person that

1020
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:41,280
you can sit here and have no emotion and make

1021
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:44,199
funnies about all this stuff to say, maybe she was

1022
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,119
killed by a bear.

1023
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 15: I don't know, Oh you know exactly what she was

1024
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:54,519
killed by, but yeah, you sit here and make light

1025
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:59,960
of it like it's no big deal, taking a human line.

1026
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:04,840
It's you don't physically scare me that it's just spooky

1027
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:11,519
that you just have no emotion about it.

1028
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,519
Speaker 1: Possibly recognizing that they were dealing with someone who was

1029
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:22,159
deeply detached and sociopathic, investigators abandoned any pretensive gentleness and

1030
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,519
doubled down on their hard line approach with Amanda.

1031
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: You killed her, I don't know. You're a liar. You

1032
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,639
like the fact that you killed Caitlyn Rutin. You can't

1033
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:33,400
wait to do it again.

1034
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 8: You're a killer, and you like that.

1035
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,039
Speaker 9: You don't care.

1036
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:40,559
Speaker 8: Less than a week ago.

1037
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: You killed somebody and you don't care. You probably went

1038
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,760
home and had a great time. Oh wasn't that fun?

1039
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,360
Wasn't that great?

1040
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 8: I can't wait to do again.

1041
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,519
Speaker 19: Man, we should do it to silent.

1042
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:51,639
Speaker 9: You're sick.

1043
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: You're sick. I've never killed anyone neither. You're a liar.

1044
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:01,079
You're a liar. You watched her die and you got

1045
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:01,559
off on it.

1046
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 10: What was it like?

1047
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: Were you looking in her eyes the whole time she's dying?

1048
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,599
Did she say anything to you? Do you replay it

1049
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,719
when you close your eyes at night. You and Sebastian

1050
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,800
are killers.

1051
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,079
Speaker 10: And you like it.

1052
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,039
Speaker 19: You like to be You want to be known as

1053
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:18,000
the people who kill people.

1054
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 5: You're getting off on the fact that you know that

1055
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,559
you guys killed somebody together and you'll kill again because

1056
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,519
you're killers. You probably rubbed your blood all over your

1057
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:28,280
body and probably, I don't know, probably had some weird.

1058
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 3: Second yeah shouting you did so. Did you say what happened?

1059
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,159
It's okay, it's okay, get it off your chest. You're

1060
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:38,519
a liar.

1061
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 5: You danced around in her blood and probably yay me,

1062
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:45,440
look at me. Here's to you, Satan, here's to you

1063
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,320
my first sacrifice or is it my first sacrifice to you?

1064
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: Despite their best efforts, investigators did not get a confession

1065
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,679
from Amanda, and eventually they had to call it quits.

1066
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:01,480
Amanda remained in the entireation room, waiting to be booked

1067
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:06,039
for murder. While she sat there, a different officer kept

1068
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:09,199
her company, and the two engaged in a surprisingly casual

1069
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,519
conversation about favorite TV shows and other everyday topics. During

1070
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:18,800
the course of that seemingly harmless chat, Amanda revealed some

1071
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,159
unsettling things about herself.

1072
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 24: Nothing really bothers me because I've interacted with the supernatural.

1073
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:32,360
I've seen demons, I've so nothing really scares me anymore.

1074
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,679
Speaker 16: You ever do any of like the ghost hunting kind

1075
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,400
of stuff before.

1076
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,199
Speaker 19: I have an interested in that I.

1077
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:39,639
Speaker 9: Like to do.

1078
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:42,679
Speaker 24: I want to think I'm crazy, but I've been to

1079
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,800
Hell before, so once you cross over that border, you

1080
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,519
can see everything from a spiritual point of view, well,

1081
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:56,079
if they want you to see them. Hell's way more

1082
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:01,000
complex than what everyone says. Like there's no fun. For one,

1083
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:05,119
it's not hot, it's normal, and there's like it's.

1084
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 9: Kind of like an office building.

1085
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,039
Speaker 24: There's different sections and each demon has like a secretary

1086
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,760
who goes out and collects like debts and souls from people.

1087
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:18,679
It's like corridors like that, and you get to decorate,

1088
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,519
you get to like design it however you want. Like

1089
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,800
the secretary for ahmadeir as a room exactly like this.

1090
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:26,559
Speaker 4: It's great, that's it.

1091
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: As a man that continued to ramble on about are

1092
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,800
bizarre and quite frankly retarded beliefs, something unexpected was unfolding

1093
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,679
in the other interrogation room. Sebastian had waived his right

1094
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,800
to an attorney and asked to speak with investigators again.

1095
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,679
After a week long investigation and countless hours of interviews

1096
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,320
with friends, family, and suspects, the moment they had been

1097
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,719
waiting for had arrived. One of Caitlin's killers was finally

1098
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:34,119
ready to confess. On October twenty sixteen, teenagers Amanda Bennett

1099
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:38,199
and Sebastian Dowell were arrested for the brutal murder of

1100
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,800
Caitlin Root. At first, both denied any involvement, but investigators

1101
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,800
knew it was only a matter of time before one

1102
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,960
of them cracked. They were right. During a second interview,

1103
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,079
Sebastian finally began to open up, revealing not just pieces

1104
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:59,480
of the truth, but also the disturbing details about his

1105
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:05,440
belief about himselfiopath.

1106
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 28: For stars like that'll roost was so calm, I had em.

1107
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,920
I have my own religion, which is polytheis. There is

1108
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,119
an exactual name for our religion, nurs especially based on

1109
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:21,599
the myths now, but we have a patriarch gods mar religion.

1110
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,119
Speaker 13: Mine is our eighties, the.

1111
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:25,039
Speaker 8: Lord of the underworld.

1112
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: In case Sebastian's low, muttered voice is hard to make out,

1113
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,960
he told investigators that he considered himself a sociopath and

1114
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:38,000
claimed to worship Hades, the Greek god of the underworld.

1115
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,480
I have my own religion, he says, matter of factly.

1116
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,519
To be clear, Amanda and Sebastian weren't dark mystics or

1117
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:50,840
vessels of some supernatural evil. They didn't have their own religion,

1118
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,599
as he says. What they did have was way too

1119
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:56,880
much time on their hands and a lack of cognitive skills.

1120
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,039
They were delusional and deeply out of touch with reality.

1121
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,719
They fancy themselves connected to something sinister, but that's what

1122
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,280
losers do. They spend their lazy asses online building up

1123
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,920
delusions of grandeur to feed and protect their own egos

1124
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,360
from coming to the realization that they are utterly useless trash,

1125
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,039
leeching off the goodwill of others and contributing absolutely nothing

1126
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:28,719
to society other than misery and death. In truth, they

1127
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,079
were nothing but at just a couple of high school

1128
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:35,079
dropouts working part time fast food jobs, living in a

1129
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:39,960
cluttered bedroom in Amanda's mom's house, barely managing to care

1130
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:43,159
for their newborn son, and they were responsible for the

1131
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:46,159
murder of an innocent seventeen year old girl.

1132
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 19: That's it.

1133
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: That's the end result of too much coddling, too much sheltering,

1134
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,440
and no actual parenting. Where the fuck is the father?

1135
00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:00,199
Where are the rules? Where's the goddamn discipline? You're an

1136
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:03,480
adult with a child, still living at your mom's house

1137
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,360
because that's all you can afford. Jesus Christ, where's the

1138
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:13,280
fucking shame. As this interview continued, Sebastian revealed another bizarre

1139
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,559
detail about himself. He claimed to have a second personality

1140
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,480
of all names Drake, who would sometimes take control of

1141
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:26,760
Sebastian's body. He said, so, here we go with all

1142
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,440
that bullshit, and when.

1143
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:34,079
Speaker 8: You're Drake, do you feel I mean, you can you.

1144
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,159
Speaker 13: Like the Sebastian love back on the.

1145
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:41,559
Speaker 31: Third person of you and see Drake talking and doing

1146
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,239
or times sometimes it's just fun.

1147
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,719
Speaker 28: I like the eyes it's over, and then sometimes it's just.

1148
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,119
Speaker 11: Watching, watching what's happening.

1149
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,719
Speaker 1: After setting the stage with claims of memory loss and

1150
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:02,360
blame for his alter ego, started recounting his version of

1151
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,760
what happened on the night Caitlin Route was murdered.

1152
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,239
Speaker 8: You rolled in her head.

1153
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,079
Speaker 12: She was holding her head, So did maybe Amanda hit.

1154
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 21: Her with something to knock her down or suppose.

1155
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 36: And so this was part of the satanic part that

1156
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:28,559
she had kind of off rid of you because she says,

1157
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:30,519
with doing a sacrifice, is.

1158
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: It's not nice ya as expected. Sebastian claimed he couldn't

1159
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,519
remember much about the murder because Drake had taken over

1160
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:43,280
his body. Still, he told investigators that Amanda had struck

1161
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,559
Caitlin over the head, and once she was unconscious, the

1162
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:50,719
two of them cut off her clothes and carried out

1163
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:56,360
what he described as a satanic human sacrifice, stabbing her

1164
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,119
multiple times and slitting her throat. Sebastian emphis that Amanda

1165
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,880
was the mastermind behind all of this. According to him,

1166
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:10,280
she'd planned the entire thing and taken the lead. While

1167
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,840
he didn't deny participating, he painted himself as a passive accomplice.

1168
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,400
Despite the outlandish claims of memory loss and a second personality,

1169
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:24,960
investigators had what they needed, a confession, and it wouldn't

1170
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:29,519
be the only one. Just two days later, Amanda requested

1171
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,360
another meeting with investigators.

1172
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 24: I was.

1173
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:39,199
Speaker 10: Just messaging people to see if anyone wanted to hang out,

1174
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:44,000
because I never do. My message a girl named Haley,

1175
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:50,599
Mouey Girl, another girl named Haley, and a girl.

1176
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,159
Speaker 23: Named Ali and asked them. I was like, Hi, how

1177
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:54,920
are you guys?

1178
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 13: So are you the same age as all these girls?

1179
01:02:58,079 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1180
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: During her next interview, Amanda revealed that on the night

1181
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,360
of the murder, she had sent Facebook messages to several

1182
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:10,719
teenage girls asking if they wanted to hang out with

1183
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,320
her and her boyfriend Sebastian. The first to respond was

1184
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:16,320
Caitlyn Root.

1185
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,559
Speaker 34: Then Caitlyn talked to me like, oh, you wanna hang

1186
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,760
out or something? She said yeah, and that'd be cool.

1187
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,559
I was like, do you smoke, cause I know she hangs.

1188
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,599
Speaker 23: Around that crowd that does. She hangs out with weed.

1189
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:31,239
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1190
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,039
Speaker 23: I told Sebastian that we were gonna go to park

1191
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:36,840
and he's like okay.

1192
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 10: And then we left and then we like I asked

1193
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,639
her where she was at and then she told me,

1194
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:47,199
and I was like, well, can you just walk up

1195
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,960
to like the corner of the street so I.

1196
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,199
Speaker 23: Didn't have to look for your house.

1197
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: Amanda and Sebastian drove to Caitlyn's neighborhood. As they got closer,

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01:03:56,039 --> 01:03:59,079
Amanda told Caitlyn to meet them at the nearby street corner.

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After picking them up, the two drove around for a

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01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,360
bit before ending up at Krugg Park, where they walked

1201
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,920
the wooded trails and paused for a while to smoke

1202
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:09,440
some weed.

1203
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:14,679
Speaker 38: And then Sebastian sat out next to me and he

1204
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,000
said they wanted her for a sacrifice. They wanted her specifically,

1205
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:22,880
and that she fit the criteria and that they wanted her.

1206
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 39: I told him that we were having the boodless her

1207
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,760
and that she was becoming my friend, and so they

1208
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:31,440
didn't want it.

1209
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:36,559
Speaker 17: They they didn't want it to be her, and he

1210
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:40,719
said that it had to be her because they wanted her.

1211
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 38: So we kept walking and then Sebastian like she was leading,

1212
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,559
so Sebastian pulled me aside and said they'd hited me

1213
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:51,760
a stick and said hit her.

1214
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,639
Speaker 39: You need to hit her, and I told him I

1215
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:57,760
didn't want to, and he said hit her now, So

1216
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,239
I hit her with a steak and then I after

1217
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:00,760
I hit.

1218
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:05,119
Speaker 17: Her, Sabatini joked off top of her and started choking her.

1219
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 13: So she went to the ground.

1220
01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:09,639
Speaker 23: No, he ran past me, she.

1221
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 40: Imagine, ran past me and knocked kick to the ground,

1222
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:16,599
started choking her.

1223
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 17: She was laying right here and he had a hole

1224
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,840
of her like that and was choking her. And then

1225
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,079
she was trying to say, help me, please stop. I

1226
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:33,280
can't breathe. And then he said can you help me?

1227
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,599
And and I just stood there.

1228
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:38,159
Speaker 23: He didn't know what to do.

1229
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 17: And then he took a strange out of his pocket,

1230
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,840
what a syringe, and he stabbed her in the neck

1231
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,079
with it. And I asked him what that lesson?

1232
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 39: He said it was supposed to maker going to sleep,

1233
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,400
so she didn't feel anything.

1234
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,039
Speaker 17: So then she cut her clothes off and pulled her

1235
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:57,559
pants off.

1236
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,639
Speaker 1: Hold On, I thought that once you'd been to hell,

1237
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,119
nothing scared you anymore. Why are you crying? Amanda?

1238
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 12: What happen?

1239
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: As you can tell? Amanda's version of events differed quite

1240
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:15,000
a bit from Sebastian's. She was just a reluctant bystander

1241
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,320
and an unwilling participant in a satanic ritual that Sebastian

1242
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,880
alone wanted to carry out. It was all him, It

1243
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,039
wasn't her. She was just an innocent little girl female accountability?

1244
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 16: Am I right?

1245
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 17: And then he had me and knife and said to

1246
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,400
stab her. And I told him I couldn't do it.

1247
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:38,039
I told him that I couldn't do it.

1248
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:39,159
Speaker 3: He said that I had to.

1249
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 40: I told him that he couldn't, and he said, we

1250
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:45,679
have to do it now. So he took it back

1251
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:51,079
and and he stabbed her in the ship and I

1252
01:06:51,239 --> 01:06:54,400
covered my eyes and ears, and I stirred around. When

1253
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,880
I turn around, she was standing up. I knew he

1254
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,960
had stabbed her, though, but she was sitting and starting to,

1255
01:07:01,199 --> 01:07:02,239
you know, and walk away.

1256
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,039
Speaker 23: And he'd he looked surprised, so I don't think it

1257
01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:08,119
was supposed to happen.

1258
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 39: He'd light knocked her back down and jumped on top

1259
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,000
of her, like on pumper within the legs, like he

1260
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:16,039
was choked drinking.

1261
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:17,679
Speaker 17: After a while, he.

1262
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 39: Said that she didn't have bolts anymore. He looked at

1263
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,239
me and he said he was proud of me. He

1264
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,039
said he was proud of me for being there.

1265
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,519
Speaker 1: Amanda claimed that after Caitlin was killed, Sebastian smashed her

1266
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:36,719
phone and scattered the pieces throughout the park. He then

1267
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,119
coached Amanda on what to say if they were ever

1268
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,360
questioned by police.

1269
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 17: He doesn't in Cardiff, and he broke into half and

1270
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,239
put it somewhere. He don't me to look at it,

1271
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:52,280
and he'd call me that if we were caught, to

1272
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,000
tell him the police that we were at the movies.

1273
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: Amanda also insisted that any evidence linking her to Satanism

1274
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:05,199
or human sacrifice was entirely Sebastian's doing. It's always the

1275
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,199
man who's to blame, isn't it. She claimed he had

1276
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:12,679
forced his beliefs onto her and that she had simply

1277
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,960
gone along without taking any of his beliefs.

1278
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 38: Seriously, I thought, you guys found the books as you

1279
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,520
were talking to me about.

1280
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 23: Rituals, and the stuff that was in the books is

1281
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,760
the stuff that he told me. Yeah, in the black book?

1282
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,119
Speaker 9: Who wrote it?

1283
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 23: I wrote what he told me.

1284
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: Amanda explained that Sebastian had mentioned performing a human sacrifice

1285
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,680
more than once, but she never actually believed he would

1286
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,600
do it. How many times have we heard that shit before?

1287
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,600
She claimed that when they picked up Caitlin that night,

1288
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,279
she had no idea what Sebastian intended to do.

1289
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 19: There's a part of you.

1290
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 11: Thinking and yeah, this is gonna happen, right, he was kidding.

1291
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 17: I didn't think he was really gonna do it. That's

1292
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,600
why I thought when we got to the end that

1293
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:07,159
we were just.

1294
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 23: Gonna take her home.

1295
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,039
Speaker 17: I thought he was joking.

1296
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 16: I thought it was just all Ay telling him.

1297
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,279
Speaker 13: I've got somebody that you can sacrifice.

1298
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 12: I found her.

1299
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 13: I found the one that you can sacrifice.

1300
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 24: Because he said that he needed to do it, and

1301
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,800
I didn't want him to kill a random person.

1302
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 23: If he was gonna do it.

1303
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,039
Speaker 1: Amanda's story was riddled with inconsistencies, and after listening to

1304
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:32,760
her for several minutes, investigators started pushing back with pointed

1305
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,640
questions and rebuttals. It was clear she was still lying

1306
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,920
and trying to protect herself by shifting all of the

1307
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,960
blame onto Sebastian.

1308
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,359
Speaker 13: I mean, when we talked the other day, you talked

1309
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:49,000
about how you control him. You're the domineering person in

1310
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:49,840
the relationship.

1311
01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 31: How you keep him locked down because he's pretty he

1312
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:55,600
had a lot of shit.

1313
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,319
Speaker 13: Dow say what he told me.

1314
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,319
Speaker 38: I don't want him talk to anybody like his Poe

1315
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,399
isn't on and I read all of his messages because.

1316
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 23: He's had jealous Yeah.

1317
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,319
Speaker 13: I mean you basically, you made it pretty clear that

1318
01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:13,079
you were the boss in the family.

1319
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,119
Speaker 23: About some things.

1320
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:20,359
Speaker 31: But then now we're at where he's controlling you and

1321
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,279
one of the other thing is all honestly, and I'm

1322
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:27,920
just being straight with you. I mean, you showed no remorse,

1323
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:31,119
no emotion what server matter fact, laughed a couple of

1324
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:32,079
times when.

1325
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 13: We were talking about the situations.

1326
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 31: And now there's this complete mood and demean and change

1327
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,800
in these crocodile tiers stuff.

1328
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,199
Speaker 13: I mean, I mean, with your demeanor the other day, I.

1329
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:46,119
Speaker 31: Have a hard time believing that, all of a sudden,

1330
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:49,319
now complete opposite you were.

1331
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:54,079
Speaker 13: Just as cold and soulless as you can possibly be.

1332
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,279
Speaker 1: A man who interviews with investigators painted a picture of

1333
01:10:57,359 --> 01:11:01,479
two entirely different people. In the first she came off

1334
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:06,720
as a cold, arrogant, and detached sociopath, but after two

1335
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,199
days in a jail cell, she returned as a tearful,

1336
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,239
self proclaimed victim. You know, female privilege.

1337
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,159
Speaker 8: So why if this is a story.

1338
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 31: We would believe now that he's this evil person and

1339
01:11:21,359 --> 01:11:24,319
you're just kind of a I guess you're kind of

1340
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:25,199
saying you're a victim in this.

1341
01:11:26,039 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 13: Why didn't you tell us all this or not? Why

1342
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,000
did you act so cold?

1343
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: Why did you not care?

1344
01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:35,520
Speaker 13: Why did you laugh?

1345
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,239
Speaker 8: Why did you tell us to prove it?

1346
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 13: Why did you How did you possibly have no with

1347
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:43,039
the emotions you're.

1348
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 31: Having today, How could you possibly set there as I'm

1349
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:50,960
describing this homicide?

1350
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 23: It didn't affect me because it wasn't true. I mean,

1351
01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:57,239
I knew what he was telling me wasn't true.

1352
01:11:57,319 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 9: That's why.

1353
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:02,359
Speaker 41: Enough fact, you said you went threw up, you said

1354
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,279
you had to cover your eyes in your ears so

1355
01:12:06,399 --> 01:12:09,520
you wouldn't hear her screen and you wouldn't see it.

1356
01:12:11,079 --> 01:12:13,199
But you had no emotion in the end of the day,

1357
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:16,199
not a single tear, not even a sad face.

1358
01:12:17,079 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 35: Because he said, in jail for forty eight hours now,

1359
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:22,039
because you realize that you guys aren't going to get

1360
01:12:22,079 --> 01:12:26,359
away with this, because you realize you've been charged and

1361
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:27,399
you're in a little prison.

1362
01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 33: Is that why?

1363
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 23: It's because he told me that no matter what, it

1364
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,560
would be okay. And obviously, since we're getting.

1365
01:12:38,359 --> 01:12:41,279
Speaker 31: Charged for something, so if you want to got charge everything,

1366
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:42,000
it would have been okay.

1367
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:45,520
Speaker 24: Well, I wanted to tell you guys what happened, but

1368
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,079
I knew it would probably be worse.

1369
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: Amanda's Facebook messages to Caitlyn erased any chance of plausible deniability.

1370
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,640
She lured Caitlin to krug Park and specific told her

1371
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,119
not to reveal who she was meeting, asking her to

1372
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,720
keep it a secret under the pretense of hiding her

1373
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:13,279
marijuana use. Tragically, Caitlyn honored that request when she lied

1374
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,720
about her plans that night. In return, Amanda repaid her

1375
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:22,159
trust by slitting Caitlyn's throat and stabbing her to death,

1376
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:27,039
all in the service of some twisted, delusional beliefs in

1377
01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:28,039
the supernatural.

1378
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 31: Everything you're saying now is exactly what he said about you.

1379
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,399
Speaker 13: You know, he's saying that that that you.

1380
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,399
Speaker 31: Said, it had to be Caitlin, that had to be

1381
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:46,319
an unclean soul, someone was condemned. Said that you've been

1382
01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:50,119
talking about the sacrifice for some time, that he's kind

1383
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:53,000
of squashed it. But when you said it, he's you know,

1384
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:54,239
said he.

1385
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: Went along with it.

1386
01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 27: He said, he held her down. Why you stabbed her

1387
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,000
and cut her throat? How many of the wounds were

1388
01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:07,840
from you on Caitlin. Let's be honest, now, what about

1389
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,359
the stabbing or cutting and.

1390
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 13: Cut her through? He said, you did it all. He

1391
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:17,920
held her down by the shoulders.

1392
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:19,279
Speaker 23: It's not true.

1393
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 8: I believe that you were both equally on board with it.

1394
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,079
Speaker 13: I believe that you picked her. I believe that you

1395
01:14:26,279 --> 01:14:30,239
lured her out, just like the text messages show. And

1396
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:33,640
I believe that what you need to do is be

1397
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,439
responsible for your actions.

1398
01:14:36,039 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 1: What makes this case even more chilling is the fact

1399
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:43,079
that Caitlyn wasn't Amanda's only target. She was just the

1400
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:46,640
first to respond. By her own admission, she reached out

1401
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,039
to four different teenage girls that night. Any one of

1402
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:52,800
them could have ended up as the victim to this brutal,

1403
01:14:53,039 --> 01:15:00,439
senseless murder. Caitlin Root was just unfortunate and friendly accepted

1404
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:05,960
Amanda's invitation to hang out, which was her undoing. Investigators

1405
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,720
would later uncover on even more disturbing detail, Amanda and

1406
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,720
Sebastian had created a twisted mandate for themselves to kill

1407
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:19,279
two people per year. Had they gotten away with Caitlin's murder.

1408
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:22,479
There's little doubt they would have struck again.

1409
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 31: I'd be curious to know what your feelings are on

1410
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,640
these other three girls, maybe all four of these girls.

1411
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 13: Really, he didn't really care that much for the first

1412
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,399
person who would have went with you would have been

1413
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,199
a person, and she's just the one and left.

1414
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:44,199
Speaker 1: Following Amanda's confession, which was filled with contradictions and obvious lies,

1415
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:48,600
investigators sat down with Sebastian one last time to confront

1416
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,239
him with what she had said. He denied most of it,

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falling back on memory lapses and claiming he couldn't recall details.

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It's funny how amniesia hits after you do something really bad,

1419
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,600
much like Amanda. This follow up interview revealed a drastically

1420
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:10,600
different version of Sebastian. The cold, stoic follower of Hades,

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01:16:11,119 --> 01:16:15,640
Lord of the Underworld, had vanished. He was replaced by

1422
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,479
a frightened, trembling young man who looked nothing like the

1423
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,159
supernatural villain he claimed to be.

1424
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Speaker 13: You seem perfectly fine. You didn't seem like you had

1425
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,000
these you know, kind of like now the shades and

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01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:30,920
having a qualt being called.

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01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 42: It doesn't seem even it seems like more you're acting

1428
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,159
more than anything right now, and I know that's nerves

1429
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,720
and you don't want to become off as this this

1430
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,840
terrible animal or whatnot.

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Speaker 23: You know, and I don't think you are.

1432
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 8: I think you guys got.

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01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:46,399
Speaker 25: Caught up in a.

1434
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 42: Kind of romany, a notion that this was something neat

1435
01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:54,840
or cool, and now that the realism set in, and

1436
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,319
it's really not so romany, cause it sound so neat.

1437
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,319
You know, it's of the Twilight Saga. You know, it's

1438
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:07,359
real life, and it's affected both you guys and your

1439
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,239
families and Caitlin and her family. You know, you're kind

1440
01:17:11,279 --> 01:17:14,359
of looking for an hour in a sense of trying

1441
01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:17,840
to bury yourself behind this persona I do.

1442
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 12: I think you got wrapped up in this ship.

1443
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 13: Mentally, physically, emotionally.

1444
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:26,199
Speaker 42: And then when it happened, you know, and now they

1445
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,600
have to face their realism of it. I think the

1446
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,720
realism has hit home, you know, and.

1447
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 8: It's a mess.

1448
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: Indeed, this situation was a disturbing mess, and it was

1449
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:41,399
now up to the justice system to sort it all out.

1450
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:45,560
On that note, Amanda had an unusual suggestion for how

1451
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,319
she thought the system should deal with.

1452
01:17:47,399 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 7: Her you guys are involved in this, Kaitlin's dead, what

1453
01:17:53,039 --> 01:17:56,119
do you think the for replenishment would be.

1454
01:17:57,399 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 10: I mean, honestly, for me, was there and I didn't

1455
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:08,840
tell anybody anything happened, So I mean I should be

1456
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,640
put in jail for some time. But I do have

1457
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:16,640
a baby that's two months old, and that's a vital

1458
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:21,119
part of his life because he's gonna be crawling soon.

1459
01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:25,279
He's gonna have his first Halloween without me there already,

1460
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:30,199
he's gonna start talking, and he's grown out of all

1461
01:18:30,279 --> 01:18:33,000
of his clothes that I got for him and stuff,

1462
01:18:33,039 --> 01:18:35,640
and I'm never gonna get to see him and those

1463
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,760
and I'm not gonna get to dress him and stuff

1464
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:38,079
like that.

1465
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 24: I don't know.

1466
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Speaker 23: I mean, I mean, there's house rooms.

1467
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,039
Speaker 1: A man has suggested that as a mother house arrest

1468
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:52,840
would be an appropriate form of punishment. Fortunately, a prosecutor

1469
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,800
and judge saw things a little differently. I hate to

1470
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,000
keep beating this drum because Jesus Christ talk about female privilege,

1471
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,960
but yeah, that's what every baby needs. A psychopathic, maronic,

1472
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:06,359
devil worshiping loser of a mom with bad taste in men,

1473
01:19:07,039 --> 01:19:12,039
abandoning them to go kill innocent young women sure, Amanda.

1474
01:19:13,079 --> 01:19:15,960
In the end, both Amanda and Sebastian accepted plea deals,

1475
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,000
but not the kind they wanted. They pleaded guilty to

1476
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:22,760
second degree murder and were each sentenced to life in

1477
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,479
prison with the possibility of parole.

1478
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:27,079
Speaker 13: I would leave you with this.

1479
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,279
Speaker 7: Caylin will never have a baby, her parents will never

1480
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:35,760
see her get any older, her friends will never see her,

1481
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,159
her grandparents, she'll never know.

1482
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 23: I've listened to all of them things that people have said.

1483
01:19:44,039 --> 01:19:47,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is me saying that you know, when we care,

1484
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,840
when we when we compare.

1485
01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:52,399
Speaker 13: The things that you're gonna miss.

1486
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:54,279
Speaker 9: That sucks.

1487
01:19:56,399 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 13: But but you you have a chance in sunlight in

1488
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,760
the future. Do you have a chance of parole?

1489
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:06,079
Speaker 2: You will.

1490
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 31: I mean, as young age you are, chances are you'd

1491
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,720
probably come out of prison a young woman yet and

1492
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,479
get to remain the rest of your life for the better,

1493
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:16,960
I hope.

1494
01:20:18,039 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 13: But Caitlyn will never have that opportunity.

1495
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,239
Speaker 1: The murder of Caitlin Root wasn't the result of a

1496
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:28,600
sudden outburst or tragic misunderstanding. It was a calculated act

1497
01:20:29,319 --> 01:20:33,560
fueled by delusion, detachment, and a warped sense of purpose.

1498
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:39,840
Amanda Bennett and Sebastian Dowell had isolated themselves from the world,

1499
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,159
living in a bubble of dysfunction and feeding off one

1500
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:49,119
another's twisted beliefs. Seemingly with Mom's approval, they spiraled deeper

1501
01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:53,840
into a fantasy where they weren't just ordinary teenagers, where

1502
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,680
they weren't just the losers that we all know them

1503
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,640
to be, but in their own minds they were powerful,

1504
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:06,359
dark figures, fulfilling some higher unholy calling what a bunch

1505
01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:10,079
of fucking losers. In truth, they were nothing of the sort.

1506
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:15,079
They were deeply troubled, profounding immature high school dropouts, clinging

1507
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:19,800
to half baked ideas about Satanism and sacrifice, desperate to

1508
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,880
inject meaning into their otherwise aimless lives. Their belief system

1509
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:29,159
wasn't just stupid, it was deadly, and Caitlin Root paid

1510
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:34,039
the ultimate price for their stupidity. She was a kind hearted,

1511
01:21:34,199 --> 01:21:38,039
free spirited, and trusting seventeen year old who wanted to

1512
01:21:38,079 --> 01:21:41,359
hang out, have a good time. Her life, her future,

1513
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:45,960
and her relationships were stolen in a brutal, senseless act

1514
01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:51,319
committed by two people who confuse cruelty for purpose. What's

1515
01:21:51,399 --> 01:21:56,760
most haunting is how random this all was. Caitlyn wasn't

1516
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,119
targeted because she was part of a love triangle or

1517
01:21:59,159 --> 01:22:02,359
a bitter betray She was just the first person to

1518
01:22:02,399 --> 01:22:07,399
say yes to a Facebook message. That's it, that's all.

1519
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:12,720
It took one moment of trust, one response to an invitation,

1520
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,479
and her life was over. As if making friends isn't

1521
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,640
already hard enough, these losers go around killing people who

1522
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,279
want to be their friend. If nothing else, this case

1523
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:31,479
is a stark reminder of how dangerous isolation can become,

1524
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:39,199
how toxic delusions confessed her, and how easily the innocent

1525
01:22:39,800 --> 01:23:12,800
can be pulled into someone else's madness. This show was

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01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,600
written and produced by Michael Stabeel, hosted by Yours truly

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01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,079
Mike Bude. Thank you so much for joining us. If

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you like the show, check out our website swordscale dot com.

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You'll find our TV show on there, which is pretty good.

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I might want to check that out. So available at

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only twenty bucks a month, you can cancel at any time.

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Thanks for sporting and stay safe.

1533
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,039
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1534
01:24:26,199 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 36: I have been listening since twenty seventeen.

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01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:31,520
Speaker 21: Tell everybody about the show.

1536
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,359
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01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:38,119
Speaker 21: Your storytelling is unmatched. Dude, listen. Not like you need

1538
01:24:38,199 --> 01:24:41,680
the advice from me, but screw the shit talkers.

1539
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 4: You're incredible.

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01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 12: Keep doing what you're doing.

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01:24:44,520 --> 01:25:01,319
Speaker 3: Love the show, Thank you, it