WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.400 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bulbo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.240 are your favorites, so like to subscribe and raid it. 3 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.199 Live Stock and me. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:24.000 Greatest on us today and listening watching Limb always keep 5 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:24.879 its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.200 Hey, bobes, what's going on? 8 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:34.240 Man? Hellbot? You just going on Cliff. 9 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:37.600 Too much, too much. But before we jump into any 10 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:39.560 of that, why don't we start with a little bit 11 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:44.000 of paperwork house cleaning stuff, because Matt Prude has a 12 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:47.079 little thing about the membership for everybody. 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A lot of people are listening 35 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.319 right in the Patreon app now, so everything's in one place, 36 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.200 you know. And we also use that app to post photos, images, videos, 37 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:56.159 other media that go along with each episode. And there's 38 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.079 a great community chat there if you want to chat 39 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.280 with other members, et cetera. So Patreon made things a 40 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:03.640 lot easier. So I want to make sure everyone knew 41 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:08.360 about that. If you know, you know, coo coo, coo. 42 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:13.800 Very good, very good. Well, other than that, bobes, what's 43 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:14.759 going on man? Anything good? 44 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.360 I've got out with Bart a couple of nights ago. 45 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.400 Oh that's cool, very good. Yeah, Bar's gonna be popping 46 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:22.719 by the house on Monday. 47 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:23.719 And it is just come out here. The day after that, 48 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:25.439 we're gonna try to get out for a night. 49 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.560 Yeah, yeah, Yeah, we were going to try to get out, 50 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.639 but the rain and then, yeah, the tragedy hit the 51 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:36.240 Barrickman household. Sochi unfortunately has left us. The cancer got 52 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.039 the better of her. But that's all I really want 53 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:40.360 to say about that. I don't want to dwell on 54 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.159 it because I cry a whole lot about that, and 55 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:43.759 I just don't want to focus on that right now. 56 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.159 She was a blessing in so many ways, but she 57 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:47.840 has now checked out unfortunately. 58 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:49.479 So she was my sister. 59 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.039 Oh my god, she was everything to us. 60 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:52.560 Yeah. 61 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:55.080 So we're going to be leaving town on Tuesday and 62 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:57.240 Wednesday to kind of get out of the house because 63 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.199 it turns out everywhere we look around here we can 64 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:00.759 see Sochi. So we're going to try to get out 65 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:01.919 of the house for a couple of days and try 66 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:03.719 to get our head together. Otherwise I'd go to the 67 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:06.479 woods with Bart, but I have some healing to do. 68 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.120 But other than that, I mean, I just got back 69 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.680 from Ohio. Ohio was an amazing gig once again. Great lineup. 70 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.919 Of course, Doctor Meldrum was there. Renee was there, you know, 71 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.400 from fighting Bigfoot. Of course, it's nice to see her 72 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:21.240 every once in a while on these gigs. 73 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:24.000 I'll take me ten years from for people to say, Renee, 74 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:24.960 I didn't think they end. 75 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.360 In Oh yeah, well, you know, better late than never. 76 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:31.800 Shelley coming to Montana was there, of course, and she's 77 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:33.560 got some cool things to talk about. We might have 78 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:35.719 her on the podcast in the next couple of months 79 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.639 or something for her second time. There's a lot of 80 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.240 new developments on her front there, so probably have her 81 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:44.039 back on at some point. Of course. I was speaking 82 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.199 and the lovely intelted Seth reid Loove that we just 83 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.280 had on the podcast a few weeks ago. Great, great lineup, 84 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:54.479 super fun. I really enjoyed hanging out with everybody. And 85 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:56.960 of course the Ohio gig is great every year. What 86 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:57.960 are you gonna say about it? 87 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.520 Did you catch any of talks? No? 88 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.840 No, unfortunately I didn't because Ohio's like that, it's just 89 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:04.960 so busy. I can't even leave the table, you know. 90 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:08.240 But I did get a lot of one on one 91 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:10.599 time with all of the speakers. I got to hang 92 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:13.560 out with the entire Small Town Monsters crew, had dinner 93 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:16.839 with them one night, and there's not a bad apple 94 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.759 among them, as every single person on that team is 95 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:23.680 just fantastic. Yeah, they're cool, super cool. I recommended a 96 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.399 movie to them, one of my favorite movies of all time, 97 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.480 of course, The Dark Backwards. Yeah, I highly recommend everybody 98 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.079 watch it. But man, it is not for the faint 99 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.360 of heart. Is It's an odd movie. So and because 100 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:37.800 of that, I thought, well, Seth was going to love this. 101 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.959 I think, or it might cost us our friendship. I 102 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.120 have no idea what. I have no idea, but I 103 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.360 recommended it to them, and so they're going to check 104 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:47.639 it out and get back to me on that one. 105 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:51.120 I had a great breakfast with doctor Meldrum, went over 106 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:52.480 a lot of things with him, just he and I 107 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.759 at the table, just shooting the poop, talking about various 108 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:58.839 developments and things we've been up to and all that 109 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.639 kind of stuff. I think my presentation went pretty well. 110 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.399 I enjoyed it. I always enjoy giving the presentation and 111 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:07.800 kind of sharing. It was great, wonderful time. I'm going 112 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.120 and looking forward to the next time I get to 113 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:13.279 go out to Ohio for the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, and 114 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.040 of course I'll be out in Ohio later this year 115 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.279 as well for the Hawking Hills thing. Ohio has been 116 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:20.360 very good to us over the years and a lot 117 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:22.000 of good people down there, so I'm going to keep 118 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.519 on going back. But now I got a I got 119 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.040 three weeks off before I go do a job out 120 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.759 in Kentucky that Charlie Raymonds put together, and we'll here. 121 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:32.120 We'll be hearing a little bit more about that in 122 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.399 the coming weeks as well. So this I'm enjoying my 123 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:40.120 first downtime in like a month. I hate to have 124 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:42.639 the whole Sochi thing happened during that. I hate to 125 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.120 have the whole Sochi thing happened ever, honestly, But at 126 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.720 least I have a little bit of spare time in 127 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:50.240 my life so I can process things. 128 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:50.480 You know. 129 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:54.839 Yeah, it's a bummer, man. It's like I was. I 130 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.560 ran into my neighbor and I got outside, like around 131 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.399 eleven o'clock, and I was like, since Monkey, I used 132 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:02.720 to walk around every night like for like a couple 133 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:04.600 of times, for like twenty thirty minutes at a time 134 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:07.639 with Monkey, you know, just cruising the hood. So I 135 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:09.600 kind of had to pull some things. What's going on 136 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:13.759 at night around around town, And like she's kind of like, 137 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:15.800 I don't walk the beach that I'd never watched. I 138 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.560 never walked the beach anymore because the slope because my 139 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:20.639 bad hit at her at HER's too much to walk 140 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.600 on the slope of the beach. I never walked. Like 141 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:26.560 it totally changed my weape in like ways I wasn't expecting. 142 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:29.560 Yeah, I'm trying to focus on the positive, you know. 143 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.160 And again, also, I literally start crying if I talk 144 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.360 about it too much, so I won't. But I realize, 145 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:38.800 like as I look around the house and don't see 146 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.800 her in all these places, I realized that those are 147 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.639 the small things, you know. And I'm working really hard 148 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.360 to uh, to not overlook the small things I have 149 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:50.959 with Melissa or other friends and that sort of thing. 150 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:53.399 So it's again, so she continues to teach me the 151 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:54.639 valuable lessons in life. 152 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.439 Yeah, we should move on. I can hear your voice 153 00:06:57.439 --> 00:06:58.040 starting to crack. 154 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:00.480 Yeah it's not easy, man, I know what. 155 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.759 You're going through. It it's super hard, and yeah it 156 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:05.439 takes a while. 157 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:10.319 Yeah, but whatever. And if listeners think, like if they're uncomfortable. 158 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.000 I'm sorry, man, but I'm real. You know, I don't lie. 159 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:15.759 Our listeners won't be I mean they were very supportive 160 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.720 about Monkey and as well about Sergio and so, which 161 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.560 which reminds me. I mean, now it's the month of May. 162 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.439 We've been doing this for six years officially, and so 163 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:26.199 and a lot of these people have been with us 164 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:28.680 since the beginning, you know, managing like the social media 165 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.759 and the email and all that. I see a lot 166 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.759 of the same name since week one, month one basically, 167 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.879 which is really cool. So I think these people understand 168 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:38.439 for sure, for sure. 169 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:40.240 But what else we got? 170 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.240 I got one interesting mail bag response that I don't 171 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:45.079 know if it was intended for a future Q and A, 172 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.360 but since it was so timely in response to a 173 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:49.439 conversation we just had, I thought it would be a 174 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:52.519 good mail bag item to dig into, so I'll pop 175 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:53.360 it in the chat here. 176 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.279 Alan Mayer, Greetings, Cliff and Bobo. I'm asking for a 177 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:59.959 friend who owns a vacation Kevin deep into Wisconsin would 178 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:02.199 for about ten years there was no evidence of anything 179 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:05.600 suggesting Bigfoot presence. The last two or three years he 180 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.360 has had sightings and encounters, some very scary. He fears 181 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.199 for his and his family safety and has decided to 182 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:14.680 list the property for sale. Is he or is real 183 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:17.680 estate agent morally alligated to tell prospective buyers about the 184 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:21.079 Bigfoot activity. I've talked to this about this. I don't 185 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.199 know about Wisconsin laws, but I talked about with ones 186 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:25.639 in California and they said, I guess there are some 187 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.480 precedent setting things about haunted houses and like if there's 188 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:31.720 been a murder there, he got to list that. But 189 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:33.960 they said, no, not with Bigfoot. 190 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:36.639 Yeah, I've heard that with the murder and hauntings before. 191 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.240 I think it veries state the state according to laws 192 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.399 like real estate laws. Maybe somebody there might be some 193 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:45.919 sort of you know, law about sasquatches, but at this point, 194 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.480 you know, there's no laws about leprecawns either, you know, 195 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.519 and for the as far as legally sasquatches or as 196 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:57.159 real as leprechauns. But is he morally obligated not legally obligated? 197 00:08:57.559 --> 00:08:59.919 He can sell because of that? I mean, I'd be 198 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:01.799 a selling point. You know. 199 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.799 It reminded me, if I remember correctly, the oh Nubby, 200 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.960 Oklahoma House, the Siege House had some things associated with it. 201 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.240 Like there were bars over the windows and these big 202 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.240 like blaring alarm kind of sirens on the roof that 203 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:19.000 you know, it was never disclosed to the people who 204 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:21.519 ended up. The brothers and their families who ended up. 205 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:22.919 I think they were renting. I don't know if they 206 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:25.080 owned it or not. I could be wrong, but they 207 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:27.279 were curious, like why is all this here because it 208 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:28.720 was in the middle of nowhere, you know, why do 209 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:30.440 you have bars on the windows somewhere in the middle 210 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.519 of nowhere, And so it was kind of wondered if 211 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.960 that's what it was for. And then I also remember, 212 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.559 in the case of the Zubie's story in San Diego County, 213 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.759 apparently when that family bought the home, the previous owners 214 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:45.559 again if I'm remembering the tail correctly, they had installed 215 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.679 these big bright lights outside and they had told them like, 216 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.200 whatever you do, don't turn these lights off at night. 217 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:53.320 And apparently they were big and bright and ugly, like 218 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:57.759 big yellow like halogen bulbs, and they were like, okay, well, 219 00:09:57.759 --> 00:09:59.360 the first thing they did is turn those lights off 220 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.919 at night, and things started coming closer to the house, 221 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:02.159 you know. 222 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:05.000 But so it seems like in those cases maybe the 223 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.399 owners were trying to give subtle hints, didn't Michael with 224 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.840 Michael's mysterious neighbors said the same thing that he had 225 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:13.200 asked a previous owner, Hey man, why didn't you tell 226 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:14.840 me about the Sasquatches? 227 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.480 And he's like, oh, you found out about that? Huh yeah, yeah. 228 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.960 I guess is why because in that situation, the proper 229 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.000 the people that Michael and his family bought the property from, 230 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:29.440 I guess his daughter or some relative lives down the 231 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:31.720 slope from him, you know, so he was visiting one 232 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:33.639 day and pop by the house say, hey, figure everything out. 233 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:35.440 You figure out how the hot tub works and all 234 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.120 that kind of stuff, you know. And I believe it 235 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:41.039 was Michael's wife that said to him, like, you didn't 236 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.440 tell me about them, And he goes, oh, what do 237 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.320 you mean, because and she goes about them, and then 238 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.559 like a look of understanding went across his face and said, oh, yeah, yeah, no, 239 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:52.320 we didn't tell you about that, And then they started 240 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.559 talking about it, so he knew he knew. Basically, I 241 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:58.639 kind of wonder when I was looking for the property 242 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.279 that I currently own, going through the real estate listenings, 243 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.159 or I occasionally still do in case I ever have 244 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:06.480 to move or something, but I don't intend to. I 245 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:11.200 see places out in very squatchy locations that I'm pretty 246 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:15.000 confident they would have sasquatches around, and very often those 247 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:19.039 kind of properties say you know, seclusion, this that wildlife, 248 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.080 And I'm thinking, I think that that's like a code 249 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.919 word for yeah, we got these things around. But if 250 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:26.159 they just came out and said it, I would maybe 251 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.240 sell my house and move today. I don't know, but 252 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.360 morally obligated, I think I think that, you know, for 253 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.279 certain people, it would be morally wrong to not tell 254 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:36.440 me because I would want to buy that property. 255 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:37.080 Yeah. 256 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.120 I thought that was a good comment and a timely one. 257 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:44.960 And then, in response to last Monday's episode, wherein Bobo 258 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.759 had told young Toby quote, send in another question, kid, 259 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.240 and I'll answer it. I give you this, Hello. 260 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:56.200 You, I'm beyond it is me again, Toby. I would 261 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:59.960 like to give a further question to the last, specifically 262 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.960 to b because some reason he's in the ground. Anyway, 263 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:08.320 a human's heart is roughly the size of their fist. 264 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.960 Do you think a bigfoot's heart is roughly the size 265 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.840 of their fist? I'd love to hear, especially from Bobo 266 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:18.279 thank you well. 267 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:21.159 I don't think that goes true for all species that 268 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:23.360 like the hand or the power or the hoof would 269 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.840 match the heart size. But in mammals there is you know, 270 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.399 a rule or law of nature that for mammals there 271 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:33.279 is a correlation of body mouse and heart size, particularly 272 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.000 of human fist, because human fists, i mean the human 273 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:39.480 hands is so much smaller in proportion to the body size. Well, 274 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:42.679 at least from the some of the clips we've seen, 275 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:48.440 their hand size might be bigger proportion than the heart size. 276 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.440 Like great age champs, gorillas orangutans and bonobo's have hands 277 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.480 that are proportionally larger and longer than human hands, especially 278 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:57.720 in the fingers or hands are adapted for knuckle walking 279 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.879 and brecreation. Like givens and ragutans how they swing arm 280 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.960 above their heads and they swing through the trees. Their 281 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.320 fists at their class are much larger relative of their 282 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:11.840 body size than in humans, and their hands are broader, 283 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.279 have longer fingers, makes their fist bulk here compared like 284 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.759 the human fist is really compact. So the heart is 285 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:21.480 the size of a fist role as a human centric simplification. 286 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:23.600 In grade apes, the heart is much smaller than the 287 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:26.120 fist and built. The hands and hearts of non human 288 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.279 apes are structurally and functionally different from ours due to 289 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:32.120 divergent evolutionary pressures, which you could expand to the Sasquatch 290 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:33.720 as well. Agreed. 291 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:36.519 Yeah, when I heard this, the first thing that came 292 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:39.000 to my mind is the idea that were the fact 293 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:42.720 that homofluresiensis has much larger feet in proportion of their 294 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:45.519 body than we would expect from mouhaminin. And then I 295 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.919 reflected back on Krantz's speculation. Of course, Krantz's book was 296 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.480 written in ninety two or ninety one or something, so 297 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:55.960 we knew a lot less about you know, jenes and 298 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.519 stuff at that time. But he kind of speculated that 299 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.679 maybe hand and foot size might be controlled by the 300 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.440 same gene. And I don't know if that's true or not, 301 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.320 if that actually panned out to be true or not. 302 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:07.360 I have no idea, but that's the first thing that 303 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.399 came to my mind, is like, different species clearly have 304 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.759 different ratios of hand and foot sizes versus mass and everything. 305 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:14.240 But I think if you go back to that thing 306 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:16.960 that you were talking about, both like the heart size 307 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:21.480 in relation to the mass. I think that probably holds 308 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:24.159 true to sasquatches as well. I would think it would 309 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:29.559 at least, So yep, yep, stay tuned for more Bigfoot 310 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.240 and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back 311 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:40.519 after these messages. 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Anyway, 361 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.000 we had to record in the NABC like the old 362 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.920 days when I did all the podcasts back there, because Alan, 363 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.359 our guest for today, and I were huddled around a 364 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:12.640 singular microphone because of his technological situation. So what you're 365 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.640 going to hear now we recorded just recently and we're 366 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:17.359 going to pipe it in right now for your enjoyment. 367 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.240 I hope everybody loves our interview with Alan today. Why 368 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:24.319 don't we hop into our guest today. He's a good 369 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:26.319 friend of mine. I've known him for several years. He's 370 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:28.000 kind of turned me onto a couple of big foot spots, 371 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.720 and I've done the same for him. Probably I think 372 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:32.599 he's had better luck with it than I have, perhaps 373 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:35.880 in some ways. But this is Bobo, This is my 374 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:36.599 friend Alan. 375 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.079 They nice to meet you, Boba. 376 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:40.519 Let's reach you too. 377 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.599 Yeah, so's You can probably tell he's not from the 378 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:46.759 United States, but that he's into bigfoot and he hangs out. 379 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:49.359 He's a regular at the NABC, he's one of our members. 380 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:51.319 But Alan, where were you born? 381 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.759 I was born in Windsor, Windsor in the UK. Yes, 382 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:57.400 in the UK, just outside London, gotcha. 383 00:17:57.880 --> 00:17:59.240 No bigfoots out there, right. 384 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:01.799 Absolutely not. The most dangerous thing we have is like 385 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:03.759 a hedgeholder or a badger. That's about it. 386 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.519 Well, badgeris I'll keep on badgering you if you're not careful. Right. 387 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:09.480 And when did you come to the States. 388 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:13.480 We emigrated in nineteen eighty nine. We had our first 389 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:15.519 incident in nineteen eighty. 390 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.799 In nineteen eighties, nine years before you left, Yes, UK. 391 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:22.640 I came out to meet my future in laws and 392 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:27.200 they always camped and fished on the Santiam River near 393 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:32.839 sort of near Detroit Lake Marion Forks, and so we 394 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.440 went sort of for a day camp. They started lighting 395 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:37.440 the fire. Me and Karen went about a mile up 396 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.839 the bank fishing, and we were there for probably fifteen 397 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:44.799 minutes and we heard bang, man man, man crash in 398 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:49.000 the brush behind us. Karen just ran and said, bare run. 399 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:51.599 So I grabbed the fishing poles. I looked back and 400 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.720 about six foot up in a tree, I saw a 401 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:57.519