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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 4: Hey, bobes, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Man? Hellbot? You just going on Cliff.
Speaker 4: Too much, too much. But before we jump into any
Speaker 4: of that, why don't we start with a little bit
Speaker 4: of paperwork house cleaning stuff, because Matt Prude has a
Speaker 4: little thing about the membership for everybody. Matt, why don't
Speaker 4: you take it?
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Speaker 4: Very good, very good. Well, other than that, bobes, what's
Speaker 4: going on man? Anything good?
Speaker 5: I've got out with Bart a couple of nights ago.
Speaker 4: Oh that's cool, very good. Yeah, Bar's gonna be popping
Speaker 4: by the house on Monday.
Speaker 5: And it is just come out here. The day after that,
Speaker 5: we're gonna try to get out for a night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, we were going to try to get out,
Speaker 4: but the rain and then, yeah, the tragedy hit the
Speaker 4: Barrickman household. Sochi unfortunately has left us. The cancer got
Speaker 4: the better of her. But that's all I really want
Speaker 4: to say about that. I don't want to dwell on
Speaker 4: it because I cry a whole lot about that, and
Speaker 4: I just don't want to focus on that right now.
Speaker 4: She was a blessing in so many ways, but she
Speaker 4: has now checked out unfortunately.
Speaker 5: So she was my sister.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, she was everything to us.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we're going to be leaving town on Tuesday and
Speaker 4: Wednesday to kind of get out of the house because
Speaker 4: it turns out everywhere we look around here we can
Speaker 4: see Sochi. So we're going to try to get out
Speaker 4: of the house for a couple of days and try
Speaker 4: to get our head together. Otherwise I'd go to the
Speaker 4: woods with Bart, but I have some healing to do.
Speaker 4: But other than that, I mean, I just got back
Speaker 4: from Ohio. Ohio was an amazing gig once again. Great lineup.
Speaker 4: Of course, Doctor Meldrum was there. Renee was there, you know,
Speaker 4: from fighting Bigfoot. Of course, it's nice to see her
Speaker 4: every once in a while on these gigs.
Speaker 5: I'll take me ten years from for people to say, Renee,
Speaker 5: I didn't think they end.
Speaker 4: In Oh yeah, well, you know, better late than never.
Speaker 4: Shelley coming to Montana was there, of course, and she's
Speaker 4: got some cool things to talk about. We might have
Speaker 4: her on the podcast in the next couple of months
Speaker 4: or something for her second time. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: new developments on her front there, so probably have her
Speaker 4: back on at some point. Of course. I was speaking
Speaker 4: and the lovely intelted Seth reid Loove that we just
Speaker 4: had on the podcast a few weeks ago. Great, great lineup,
Speaker 4: super fun. I really enjoyed hanging out with everybody. And
Speaker 4: of course the Ohio gig is great every year. What
Speaker 4: are you gonna say about it?
Speaker 5: Did you catch any of talks? No?
Speaker 4: No, unfortunately I didn't because Ohio's like that, it's just
Speaker 4: so busy. I can't even leave the table, you know.
Speaker 4: But I did get a lot of one on one
Speaker 4: time with all of the speakers. I got to hang
Speaker 4: out with the entire Small Town Monsters crew, had dinner
Speaker 4: with them one night, and there's not a bad apple
Speaker 4: among them, as every single person on that team is
Speaker 4: just fantastic. Yeah, they're cool, super cool. I recommended a
Speaker 4: movie to them, one of my favorite movies of all time,
Speaker 4: of course, The Dark Backwards. Yeah, I highly recommend everybody
Speaker 4: watch it. But man, it is not for the faint
Speaker 4: of heart. Is It's an odd movie. So and because
Speaker 4: of that, I thought, well, Seth was going to love this.
Speaker 4: I think, or it might cost us our friendship. I
Speaker 4: have no idea what. I have no idea, but I
Speaker 4: recommended it to them, and so they're going to check
Speaker 4: it out and get back to me on that one.
Speaker 4: I had a great breakfast with doctor Meldrum, went over
Speaker 4: a lot of things with him, just he and I
Speaker 4: at the table, just shooting the poop, talking about various
Speaker 4: developments and things we've been up to and all that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. I think my presentation went pretty well.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I always enjoy giving the presentation and
Speaker 4: kind of sharing. It was great, wonderful time. I'm going
Speaker 4: and looking forward to the next time I get to
Speaker 4: go out to Ohio for the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, and
Speaker 4: of course I'll be out in Ohio later this year
Speaker 4: as well for the Hawking Hills thing. Ohio has been
Speaker 4: very good to us over the years and a lot
Speaker 4: of good people down there, so I'm going to keep
Speaker 4: on going back. But now I got a I got
Speaker 4: three weeks off before I go do a job out
Speaker 4: in Kentucky that Charlie Raymonds put together, and we'll here.
Speaker 4: We'll be hearing a little bit more about that in
Speaker 4: the coming weeks as well. So this I'm enjoying my
Speaker 4: first downtime in like a month. I hate to have
Speaker 4: the whole Sochi thing happened during that. I hate to
Speaker 4: have the whole Sochi thing happened ever, honestly, But at
Speaker 4: least I have a little bit of spare time in
Speaker 4: my life so I can process things.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a bummer, man. It's like I was. I
Speaker 5: ran into my neighbor and I got outside, like around
Speaker 5: eleven o'clock, and I was like, since Monkey, I used
Speaker 5: to walk around every night like for like a couple
Speaker 5: of times, for like twenty thirty minutes at a time
Speaker 5: with Monkey, you know, just cruising the hood. So I
Speaker 5: kind of had to pull some things. What's going on
Speaker 5: at night around around town, And like she's kind of like,
Speaker 5: I don't walk the beach that I'd never watched. I
Speaker 5: never walked the beach anymore because the slope because my
Speaker 5: bad hit at her at HER's too much to walk
Speaker 5: on the slope of the beach. I never walked. Like
Speaker 5: it totally changed my weape in like ways I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to focus on the positive, you know.
Speaker 4: And again, also, I literally start crying if I talk
Speaker 4: about it too much, so I won't. But I realize,
Speaker 4: like as I look around the house and don't see
Speaker 4: her in all these places, I realized that those are
Speaker 4: the small things, you know. And I'm working really hard
Speaker 4: to uh, to not overlook the small things I have
Speaker 4: with Melissa or other friends and that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: So it's again, so she continues to teach me the
Speaker 4: valuable lessons in life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we should move on. I can hear your voice
Speaker 5: starting to crack.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's not easy, man, I know what.
Speaker 5: You're going through. It it's super hard, and yeah it
Speaker 5: takes a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but whatever. And if listeners think, like if they're uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, man, but I'm real. You know, I don't lie.
Speaker 3: Our listeners won't be I mean they were very supportive
Speaker 3: about Monkey and as well about Sergio and so, which
Speaker 3: which reminds me. I mean, now it's the month of May.
Speaker 3: We've been doing this for six years officially, and so
Speaker 3: and a lot of these people have been with us
Speaker 3: since the beginning, you know, managing like the social media
Speaker 3: and the email and all that. I see a lot
Speaker 3: of the same name since week one, month one basically,
Speaker 3: which is really cool. So I think these people understand
Speaker 3: for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4: But what else we got?
Speaker 3: I got one interesting mail bag response that I don't
Speaker 3: know if it was intended for a future Q and A,
Speaker 3: but since it was so timely in response to a
Speaker 3: conversation we just had, I thought it would be a
Speaker 3: good mail bag item to dig into, so I'll pop
Speaker 3: it in the chat here.
Speaker 5: Alan Mayer, Greetings, Cliff and Bobo. I'm asking for a
Speaker 5: friend who owns a vacation Kevin deep into Wisconsin would
Speaker 5: for about ten years there was no evidence of anything
Speaker 5: suggesting Bigfoot presence. The last two or three years he
Speaker 5: has had sightings and encounters, some very scary. He fears
Speaker 5: for his and his family safety and has decided to
Speaker 5: list the property for sale. Is he or is real
Speaker 5: estate agent morally alligated to tell prospective buyers about the
Speaker 5: Bigfoot activity. I've talked to this about this. I don't
Speaker 5: know about Wisconsin laws, but I talked about with ones
Speaker 5: in California and they said, I guess there are some
Speaker 5: precedent setting things about haunted houses and like if there's
Speaker 5: been a murder there, he got to list that. But
Speaker 5: they said, no, not with Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard that with the murder and hauntings before.
Speaker 4: I think it veries state the state according to laws
Speaker 4: like real estate laws. Maybe somebody there might be some
Speaker 4: sort of you know, law about sasquatches, but at this point,
Speaker 4: you know, there's no laws about leprecawns either, you know,
Speaker 4: and for the as far as legally sasquatches or as
Speaker 4: real as leprechauns. But is he morally obligated not legally obligated?
Speaker 5: He can sell because of that? I mean, I'd be
Speaker 5: a selling point. You know.
Speaker 3: It reminded me, if I remember correctly, the oh Nubby,
Speaker 3: Oklahoma House, the Siege House had some things associated with it.
Speaker 3: Like there were bars over the windows and these big
Speaker 3: like blaring alarm kind of sirens on the roof that
Speaker 3: you know, it was never disclosed to the people who
Speaker 3: ended up. The brothers and their families who ended up.
Speaker 3: I think they were renting. I don't know if they
Speaker 3: owned it or not. I could be wrong, but they
Speaker 3: were curious, like why is all this here because it
Speaker 3: was in the middle of nowhere, you know, why do
Speaker 3: you have bars on the windows somewhere in the middle
Speaker 3: of nowhere, And so it was kind of wondered if
Speaker 3: that's what it was for. And then I also remember,
Speaker 3: in the case of the Zubie's story in San Diego County,
Speaker 3: apparently when that family bought the home, the previous owners
Speaker 3: again if I'm remembering the tail correctly, they had installed
Speaker 3: these big bright lights outside and they had told them like,
Speaker 3: whatever you do, don't turn these lights off at night.
Speaker 3: And apparently they were big and bright and ugly, like
Speaker 3: big yellow like halogen bulbs, and they were like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: the first thing they did is turn those lights off
Speaker 3: at night, and things started coming closer to the house,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 6: But so it seems like in those cases maybe the
Speaker 6: owners were trying to give subtle hints, didn't Michael with
Speaker 6: Michael's mysterious neighbors said the same thing that he had
Speaker 6: asked a previous owner, Hey man, why didn't you tell
Speaker 6: me about the Sasquatches?
Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, you found out about that? Huh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I guess is why because in that situation, the proper
Speaker 4: the people that Michael and his family bought the property from,
Speaker 4: I guess his daughter or some relative lives down the
Speaker 4: slope from him, you know, so he was visiting one
Speaker 4: day and pop by the house say, hey, figure everything out.
Speaker 4: You figure out how the hot tub works and all
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, you know. And I believe it
Speaker 4: was Michael's wife that said to him, like, you didn't
Speaker 4: tell me about them, And he goes, oh, what do
Speaker 4: you mean, because and she goes about them, and then
Speaker 4: like a look of understanding went across his face and said, oh, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: we didn't tell you about that, And then they started
Speaker 4: talking about it, so he knew he knew. Basically, I
Speaker 4: kind of wonder when I was looking for the property
Speaker 4: that I currently own, going through the real estate listenings,
Speaker 4: or I occasionally still do in case I ever have
Speaker 4: to move or something, but I don't intend to. I
Speaker 4: see places out in very squatchy locations that I'm pretty
Speaker 4: confident they would have sasquatches around, and very often those
Speaker 4: kind of properties say you know, seclusion, this that wildlife,
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, I think that that's like a code
Speaker 4: word for yeah, we got these things around. But if
Speaker 4: they just came out and said it, I would maybe
Speaker 4: sell my house and move today. I don't know, but
Speaker 4: morally obligated, I think I think that, you know, for
Speaker 4: certain people, it would be morally wrong to not tell
Speaker 4: me because I would want to buy that property.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a good comment and a timely one.
Speaker 3: And then, in response to last Monday's episode, wherein Bobo
Speaker 3: had told young Toby quote, send in another question, kid,
Speaker 3: and I'll answer it. I give you this, Hello.
Speaker 7: You, I'm beyond it is me again, Toby. I would
Speaker 7: like to give a further question to the last, specifically
Speaker 7: to b because some reason he's in the ground. Anyway,
Speaker 7: a human's heart is roughly the size of their fist.
Speaker 7: Do you think a bigfoot's heart is roughly the size
Speaker 7: of their fist? I'd love to hear, especially from Bobo
Speaker 7: thank you well.
Speaker 5: I don't think that goes true for all species that
Speaker 5: like the hand or the power or the hoof would
Speaker 5: match the heart size. But in mammals there is you know,
Speaker 5: a rule or law of nature that for mammals there
Speaker 5: is a correlation of body mouse and heart size, particularly
Speaker 5: of human fist, because human fists, i mean the human
Speaker 5: hands is so much smaller in proportion to the body size. Well,
Speaker 5: at least from the some of the clips we've seen,
Speaker 5: their hand size might be bigger proportion than the heart size.
Speaker 5: Like great age champs, gorillas orangutans and bonobo's have hands
Speaker 5: that are proportionally larger and longer than human hands, especially
Speaker 5: in the fingers or hands are adapted for knuckle walking
Speaker 5: and brecreation. Like givens and ragutans how they swing arm
Speaker 5: above their heads and they swing through the trees. Their
Speaker 5: fists at their class are much larger relative of their
Speaker 5: body size than in humans, and their hands are broader,
Speaker 5: have longer fingers, makes their fist bulk here compared like
Speaker 5: the human fist is really compact. So the heart is
Speaker 5: the size of a fist role as a human centric simplification.
Speaker 5: In grade apes, the heart is much smaller than the
Speaker 5: fist and built. The hands and hearts of non human
Speaker 5: apes are structurally and functionally different from ours due to
Speaker 5: divergent evolutionary pressures, which you could expand to the Sasquatch
Speaker 5: as well. Agreed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I heard this, the first thing that came
Speaker 4: to my mind is the idea that were the fact
Speaker 4: that homofluresiensis has much larger feet in proportion of their
Speaker 4: body than we would expect from mouhaminin. And then I
Speaker 4: reflected back on Krantz's speculation. Of course, Krantz's book was
Speaker 4: written in ninety two or ninety one or something, so
Speaker 4: we knew a lot less about you know, jenes and
Speaker 4: stuff at that time. But he kind of speculated that
Speaker 4: maybe hand and foot size might be controlled by the
Speaker 4: same gene. And I don't know if that's true or not,
Speaker 4: if that actually panned out to be true or not.
Speaker 4: I have no idea, but that's the first thing that
Speaker 4: came to my mind, is like, different species clearly have
Speaker 4: different ratios of hand and foot sizes versus mass and everything.
Speaker 4: But I think if you go back to that thing
Speaker 4: that you were talking about, both like the heart size
Speaker 4: in relation to the mass. I think that probably holds
Speaker 4: true to sasquatches as well. I would think it would
Speaker 4: at least, So yep, yep, stay tuned for more Bigfoot
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Speaker 4: recorded yesterday two days a couple of days ago. Anyway,
Speaker 4: we had to record in the NABC like the old
Speaker 4: days when I did all the podcasts back there, because Alan,
Speaker 4: our guest for today, and I were huddled around a
Speaker 4: singular microphone because of his technological situation. So what you're
Speaker 4: going to hear now we recorded just recently and we're
Speaker 4: going to pipe it in right now for your enjoyment.
Speaker 4: I hope everybody loves our interview with Alan today. Why
Speaker 4: don't we hop into our guest today. He's a good
Speaker 4: friend of mine. I've known him for several years. He's
Speaker 4: kind of turned me onto a couple of big foot spots,
Speaker 4: and I've done the same for him. Probably I think
Speaker 4: he's had better luck with it than I have, perhaps
Speaker 4: in some ways. But this is Bobo, This is my
Speaker 4: friend Alan.
Speaker 2: They nice to meet you, Boba.
Speaker 5: Let's reach you too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so's You can probably tell he's not from the
Speaker 4: United States, but that he's into bigfoot and he hangs out.
Speaker 4: He's a regular at the NABC, he's one of our members.
Speaker 4: But Alan, where were you born?
Speaker 2: I was born in Windsor, Windsor in the UK. Yes,
Speaker 2: in the UK, just outside London, gotcha.
Speaker 4: No bigfoots out there, right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. The most dangerous thing we have is like
Speaker 2: a hedgeholder or a badger. That's about it.
Speaker 4: Well, badgeris I'll keep on badgering you if you're not careful. Right.
Speaker 4: And when did you come to the States.
Speaker 2: We emigrated in nineteen eighty nine. We had our first
Speaker 2: incident in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4: In nineteen eighties, nine years before you left, Yes, UK.
Speaker 2: I came out to meet my future in laws and
Speaker 2: they always camped and fished on the Santiam River near
Speaker 2: sort of near Detroit Lake Marion Forks, and so we
Speaker 2: went sort of for a day camp. They started lighting
Speaker 2: the fire. Me and Karen went about a mile up
Speaker 2: the bank fishing, and we were there for probably fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes and we heard bang, man man, man crash in
Speaker 2: the brush behind us. Karen just ran and said, bare run.
Speaker 2: So I grabbed the fishing poles. I looked back and
Speaker 2: about six foot up in a tree, I saw a
Speaker 2: sort of the forearm and the fingers of like a
Speaker 2: black hairy arm just bashed like a small branch off.
Speaker 2: And then I just ran as well and get back
Speaker 2: to her mum and dad. And my question was do
Speaker 2: you have monkeys in America? Well, they just laughed at me.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, you saw a bear. I said, well,
Speaker 2: I saw fingers. I know, I saw fingers, and didn't
Speaker 2: know anything about sasquatch, didn't know anything about bluff charges,
Speaker 2: you know, so I sort of believed that it was
Speaker 2: a bear. But I know I saw I saw four fingers.
Speaker 2: I didn't see a thumb, and it was a black
Speaker 2: hairy arm about three inches of hair hanging down. And
Speaker 2: that was like our first experience. They told me it
Speaker 2: was a bear, but I saw fingers and bears other fingers,
Speaker 2: you see finger nails, No I saw like it what
Speaker 2: it's forty five years ago, but I remember seeing like
Speaker 2: the black like that much of that, like the forearm
Speaker 2: down and the back of the hand was like a
Speaker 2: leathery skin type thing. Didn't see a thumb, but just
Speaker 2: four fingers go crash and break the branch off. What
Speaker 2: was a distance, Oh, this was about probably twenty feet away.
Speaker 4: Well that's close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've just looked saw it quick and we ran.
Speaker 2: We went back about two hours later just because Grandpas
Speaker 2: saed it off, it's a it's a bear, it's a bear.
Speaker 2: We went back, didn't look for footprints because I didn't
Speaker 2: know anything about bigfoot, and he found some scratch marks
Speaker 2: on the tree, which he said that's a bear because
Speaker 2: they scratched for grubs and stuff. So they they said
Speaker 2: it was a bear. But I know what I saw
Speaker 2: and six feet up in a tree, that's yeah. And
Speaker 2: it broke a branch off. It went like boom and
Speaker 2: broke like a one one each time at a little
Speaker 2: branch off as it did it, and then we just ran.
Speaker 2: But it was like a train coming through. It was
Speaker 2: like crash crash, crash crash. So I'm assuming it was
Speaker 2: a bluff charge, but SA.
Speaker 4: And you would never I mean in the UK you
Speaker 4: don't hear about bigfoot ever.
Speaker 2: I hadn't know. It was just all soccer and darts
Speaker 2: and beer drinking, okay, normal normal English stuff.
Speaker 5: You must have heard about the Yeah, yeah, yeah, we heard.
Speaker 2: Of a Yeah. Yeah, you'd be thinking Himalaya. It's not Oregon,
Speaker 2: right right. So I had no clue. So we went
Speaker 2: back lived there for nine years. Then we started doing
Speaker 2: some research, getting books, some library and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Then I started to think, well, maybe it was a
Speaker 2: big foot or a sasquatch. And when we came back
Speaker 2: in eighty nine, and back in the day it was
Speaker 2: the Western Bigfoot Society. Ray Crow did the track record,
Speaker 2: so we would get that every month, and our kids
Speaker 2: were like one and five. We would go every weekend
Speaker 2: in the woods. We'd look them in the brochure recent
Speaker 2: sightings in certain areas. We would try to get out
Speaker 2: in all those areas. We've sort of done that for
Speaker 2: thirty odd years, thirty five years since we've been back.
Speaker 2: We get out most weekends if we can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're still going to good, great areas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the first story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm assuming you and Karen both know now
Speaker 4: that you're not supposed to run from bears.
Speaker 2: Well, she said, run, I had no clue.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, yeah, you do what your check once you
Speaker 4: do get At the same time, that's not the smartest
Speaker 4: thing to do.
Speaker 2: And we didn't catch any fish either.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I was going to point out that there's a big
Speaker 5: fish hatchery there Mary in Forks where you saw that
Speaker 5: right right across from the campground.
Speaker 2: It's it's a popular area there, like for there's been
Speaker 2: sightings and stuff for years in the area.
Speaker 4: Got to wonder if there is now though, because the
Speaker 4: fire is really dead slated the area.
Speaker 2: We went back four or five years ago. The first
Speaker 2: time went back because Karen's dad passed and we sprinkled
Speaker 2: his ashes in the river and it just looked different.
Speaker 2: This was there's like a like a visit a center
Speaker 2: thing with placards, but the campground used to be you
Speaker 2: camp further in the woods, so it's a bit different
Speaker 2: that we remember that. But it wasn't really devastating in
Speaker 2: that area. It was okay, yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, because the twenty twenty the fires went through
Speaker 4: there and.
Speaker 2: Just really through that Sanya.
Speaker 4: It was terrible, just absolutely devastating.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so fast forward. Then you started looking for
Speaker 4: sasquatches going out of hiking in good areas, which is
Speaker 4: a great way to do, you know, bigfoot stuff, because
Speaker 4: we always recommend that you go for a different reason
Speaker 4: because sasquatches aren't usually there, but if you go to
Speaker 4: have a good time, or if you go to have
Speaker 4: a good hike, or if you go to go fishing,
Speaker 4: that stuff is always there. It's available.
Speaker 2: We hike probably nearly every weekend. We'll go. You know,
Speaker 2: we live in Clacamus, so within and hour we have
Speaker 2: Mount Hood, the Clacamus River Drainage Area, and we have
Speaker 2: the Columbia River Gorge, which are really three fantastic areas
Speaker 2: for bigfooting and for hiking and just having fun, you know.
Speaker 4: And one of the other things I know you're interested in, Michael,
Speaker 4: some archaeology, some amateur archaeology. You kind of keep me
Speaker 4: up to date on some of that. You found. You're
Speaker 4: aware of some petroglyphs in the Columbia River Gorge. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: and you think they might depict sasquatches.
Speaker 2: There's two if you go to horse Horseleef Park, which
Speaker 2: is on the Washington side, and it's about five miles
Speaker 2: past the DALs On the Washington side, there's it's called
Speaker 2: Petroglyph Park and there's a whole bunch of petrocliffs behind
Speaker 2: a fence. But they've put two new ones and it's
Speaker 2: it's like a headland sideways but it's doing the like
Speaker 2: the Whistling Mouth and the Zumica that's what they look like.
Speaker 2: There's two of them there.
Speaker 4: So, well, that's interesting. That's not that far of a
Speaker 4: drive either.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's not. No, So that's sort of sort
Speaker 2: of a cool thing.
Speaker 4: That is cool. That's cool. So you're one of the
Speaker 4: people that kind of clued me into one of our
Speaker 4: research areas. Hre at the NABC tell us about what
Speaker 4: happened up there, because it was you, a researcher that
Speaker 4: we met that sil works the area, and then another
Speaker 4: family all within like four or five months, came in
Speaker 4: with stories from this area, and I had worked that
Speaker 4: area before and whatnot. We started poking around up there
Speaker 4: and we started finding stuff and I still go there
Speaker 4: several times a month as of right now. But one
Speaker 4: of the incidents that gave us the idea we should
Speaker 4: start looking there more closely was yours. So what happened
Speaker 4: that day.
Speaker 2: What we did it was I'm trying to think it
Speaker 2: was later in the year, because there was bits of
Speaker 2: snow on the ground, and it was me, my son,
Speaker 2: my two grandkids, and my wife. It was closed off
Speaker 2: because of the fires, and my son said, I'm sure
Speaker 2: we can climb over the barrier. We just walk in
Speaker 2: a few miles with the kids, it'll be safe. So
Speaker 2: we go in there. We got like a mile or
Speaker 2: so in and all of a sudden we hid. It's like, like,
Speaker 2: well I told you earlier if if Shane has the
Speaker 2: act the same thing on recording, it's like a grunt thing.
Speaker 2: We heard up up above us, and we heard it
Speaker 2: do it twice, and my son said, well, we need
Speaker 2: to leave, dad, So we got the kids out there
Speaker 2: and left, and then I came in and told you,
Speaker 2: and we sort of got that map out and I
Speaker 2: sort of said where it was, and you said, yeah,
Speaker 2: we led people up there, and yeah, that was that
Speaker 2: was sort of a scary thing as well.
Speaker 4: Now was it you who heard? I have I have
Speaker 4: a story in my head from that area, and I
Speaker 4: don't remember it's you family out cutting Christmas trees or
Speaker 4: maybe sledding or something and hearing voices down in the
Speaker 4: ravine or.
Speaker 2: Is that the other story is the other one, because
Speaker 2: that was the other I think within a week or
Speaker 2: two they heard like samurai chattered down in the ravine
Speaker 2: or something there or something like that. Yeah, that's but
Speaker 2: that was all within a few weeks of this, Okay,
Speaker 2: this incident, So yeah.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm remembering it together like that. You've had
Speaker 4: a couple experiences at the Blueberry Bog, which, Bobbo, you've
Speaker 4: been to before a couple of times. Yeah, some pretty
Speaker 4: crazy stuff happened that with you.
Speaker 2: What happened the first one that we were just going
Speaker 2: to do father some weekend camping up at the Blueberry Bark.
Speaker 2: It was freezing cold. It was like October right a
Speaker 2: year ago, October October seventh. Yeah, I'll never forget. I'll
Speaker 2: never forget that day. It was freezing cold. There was
Speaker 2: a campfire ban because of the forest fires. So we're
Speaker 2: up there just freezing our asses off, and we were
Speaker 2: going to go big footing, so we had we didn't
Speaker 2: have any recording equipment then now we've got it, but
Speaker 2: we just had cameras and whatever, and we put our
Speaker 2: two tents at the very end of the bog right
Speaker 2: by the lake, set up camp on the Friday. The
Speaker 2: first night, nothing happened. We went the bed around ten o'clock.
Speaker 2: It was just bitterly cold, and about twelve thirty I
Speaker 2: heard a clear crack a tree knock. And then that
Speaker 2: was on like the left hand side, looking at Mount Hood,
Speaker 2: and on the right hand side I heard like a woo,
Speaker 2: like a it appeared to be a response to the knock. Well,
Speaker 2: then I'm thinking, and we're dreaming. You know, this is
Speaker 2: what we've come for, so get up. The next morning,
Speaker 2: my son gets out of his tent. The first thing
Speaker 2: he said, Dad, did you hear the knock? And the
Speaker 2: response I said, yes, I did, so we knew that
Speaker 2: was something we didn't imagine. Next day we hike. We
Speaker 2: hike up to a quarry, then we hike down to
Speaker 2: a big meadow in the same sort of area. Had
Speaker 2: a great day. At about six o'clock in the evening,
Speaker 2: we'd eating our dinner at by the side of Little
Speaker 2: Eight by our tents, and Aaron thought he heard He said,
Speaker 2: I'm sure I've heard women's voices over by the cars.
Speaker 2: And the cars are like, you cross that little meadow
Speaker 2: and go down, it's probably two hundred yards away. He
Speaker 2: so justs go check on the cars.
Speaker 5: Dad.
Speaker 2: There was no one up there. We go check on
Speaker 2: the cars. There was nothing there, but he heard these, he
Speaker 2: thought women's voices. So we go back to our seats
Speaker 2: and we're just sitting over on the beer and just relaxing.
Speaker 2: And it was eight fifteen. There was a full moon,
Speaker 2: So I don't know if the full moon has anything
Speaker 2: to do with creatures getting crazy. Aaron's looking over my
Speaker 2: shoulder at the tree line and he said, I've just
Speaker 2: seen something.
Speaker 8: Dad.
Speaker 2: I said, what did you see? He said, well, it
Speaker 2: was out the corner of my eye. Something came out
Speaker 2: of the tree line around about forty yards down and
Speaker 2: went back in really really quickly. He said it was
Speaker 2: dark colored, he said brown or black. But it was
Speaker 2: getting dark now. But you had a four moon ye,
Speaker 2: so you could see a shape. Yeah, And he said
Speaker 2: it was on two legs and it was at least
Speaker 2: six maybe seven feet tall. So we got a flashlights
Speaker 2: to be shot it on the trees. We couldn't see anything.
Speaker 2: Then we just go back to so just sitting chatting
Speaker 2: looking at the stars and whatever, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it was fifteen minutes later. It was right at eight
Speaker 2: point thirty, we got this the most terrifying scream. I
Speaker 2: never want to hear it again. It was a cross
Speaker 2: between a woman being ripped apart, a banshee, a Native
Speaker 2: American war create. It was like rah, and it was
Speaker 2: only I'm assuming it was in the tree line because
Speaker 2: it was so loud. It went through your chest at
Speaker 2: a rock concert, you felt it in your body. And
Speaker 2: it did it for like seven or eight seconds.
Speaker 4: One continued scream.
Speaker 2: On and on, and we were just eval Era jumped
Speaker 2: straight up. I won't say use the language you use.
Speaker 2: He said, we're out of here, Dad. That thing could
Speaker 2: rip us apart. And as he's jumped up, I thought
Speaker 2: it was further down the tree line. He thought it
Speaker 2: was on the ridge. We heard a three like almost
Speaker 2: like a monkey gorilla noise up on the ridge. Whether
Speaker 2: that was in response or it had triggered something else off,
Speaker 2: I don't know. And we literally left everything. We left
Speaker 2: the cameras, the tents, we just left everything there in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night, and we got out of
Speaker 2: the quick and it's a bit of a pain to
Speaker 2: get into this place. But so we came home in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night and we're sitting on the
Speaker 2: couch and my wife goes, I cannot believe you've come home.
Speaker 2: We said, it was terrifying. She said, this is exactly
Speaker 2: what you went for and we said, wow, not that
Speaker 2: it really wasn't what we went for. And so she
Speaker 2: was a bit disgusted with us being wooses.
Speaker 4: I'm sure audience will be disgusted with you as well.
Speaker 2: I'm sure when we do the last story, Bobo said
Speaker 2: I needed to grow a fair anyway, So I remember that. Bobo.
Speaker 2: By the way, I hope you we have.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So the next morning we go back early because we
Speaker 2: wanted to get all our gearback.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, how much money did you leave out there?
Speaker 2: Oh, there was probably at least a couple of grand
Speaker 2: or those cameras are worth cameras in the tents and
Speaker 2: sleeping bags and everything.
Speaker 9: So yeah, because there's your sons are it takes semi
Speaker 9: professional photographer and he takes really good pictures into it. Yeah,
Speaker 9: he's got really good cameras and whatever. Okay, anyway, so
Speaker 9: we go back the next morning. My wife wanted to
Speaker 9: come with us because she thought it was so exciting
Speaker 9: and we were just petrified. We broke camp as fast
Speaker 9: as you could ever break camp, and we're looking over
Speaker 9: our shoulders the whole time.
Speaker 2: There was no footprints. The ground was really hard, like
Speaker 2: from the frost, so we didn't see any footprints. Nothing
Speaker 2: was damage, which was good, and we broke camp as
Speaker 2: quick as we could. Karen's looking around, She's looking down
Speaker 2: the tree line, but there was you know. We're like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to hear the trees come back. And then
Speaker 2: we put all the stuff in the car and come
Speaker 2: back out to make sure we'd cleaned it all up.
Speaker 2: And we hadn't done any tree knocks or whoops the
Speaker 2: whole weekend. I said, I'm going to do a couple
Speaker 2: of whoops as we leave.
Speaker 4: So daytime, morning time.
Speaker 2: This is like nine o'clock in the morning on the
Speaker 2: Sunday morning. So I do a whoop, nothing happens, do
Speaker 2: another whoop, nothing happens. We the three of us turned
Speaker 2: to walk away and there was a really loud tree
Speaker 2: not like crash, like a seemed to be in response
Speaker 2: to the to the whoops. I'm assuming or something was
Speaker 2: watching us and knew we were leaving. I don't really know,
Speaker 2: but it seemed to be too much of a coincidence.
Speaker 2: I said, we heard up there, because then Karen said, well,
Speaker 2: they're still here, and we said, yeah, we're not. We're going.
Speaker 4: So did Karen call you a whist then too? No?
Speaker 2: She she she became a she's always believed, but that
Speaker 2: really really cemented it there, and she's she's wanted to
Speaker 2: go up there more than me. We didn't want to
Speaker 2: go the next year either. And then Cliff, I remember that, well,
Speaker 2: I guess long story short. We go back to the
Speaker 2: NABC and we told I think Conner was working. We
Speaker 2: told this whole thing to Connor and he said he'd
Speaker 2: had a similar event. Something came out in the same
Speaker 2: corner and went down the tree line when he was
Speaker 2: up there year or two before, and he ripped his
Speaker 2: tent up trying to get out of there. He said,
Speaker 2: at least she was smart, you left your stuff and
Speaker 2: now it's okay. So we didn't know that story. But
Speaker 2: and then Cliff went up a couple of days later
Speaker 2: with Kelly and you recorded a vocalization, yeah, which was
Speaker 2: probably sounded further away, but it was a vocalization. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But it was shortly after that that I called our
Speaker 4: friend Kelly Lemieux, that bass player friend that I liked
Speaker 4: going bigfooting with, and he and I went up to
Speaker 4: the bog to do a follow up to see if
Speaker 4: we can find tracks or to see if we can
Speaker 4: piece together what had happened. Then we made a member
Speaker 4: of video out of it, because everybody knows our members
Speaker 4: get a couple of videos every single month. But the
Speaker 4: last six months or so, I've been putting old member
Speaker 4: videos on a public YouTube page for the Museum North
Speaker 4: American Bigfoot Center YouTube page, and that is one of
Speaker 4: the videos that we have up there. It's Kelly's in
Speaker 4: my follow up with Alan, and Alan here is seen
Speaker 4: on the video telling the same story and then you
Speaker 4: can kind of see the area of what we were doing,
Speaker 4: and it's just, you know, Cliff and Kelly goofing around
Speaker 4: in the woods basically. But we got an unsolicited vocalization
Speaker 4: that same day and we recorded it. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: It sounded like a screech Kelly, who's pretty unfamiliar with
Speaker 4: a lot of animal noises. Said it sounded like an
Speaker 4: eagle or something like that, but it was ground level
Speaker 4: and loud and from the swamps. I don't think it
Speaker 4: was an eagle. I think it was one of these guys.
Speaker 4: That could be wrong, but we definitely got a vocalization.
Speaker 4: But that night it sounded like you had Knox and
Speaker 4: vocalizations and a possible Class B sighting of some.
Speaker 2: Sorry, and it obviously didn't want us there. That was
Speaker 2: our opinion. Maybe because we can't right on the lake
Speaker 2: and in the trees, maybe these things get pissed. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it was like it was horrendous. I
Speaker 2: never want to hear that again. It was horrible and
Speaker 2: you felt it. You didn't just hear it, you felt
Speaker 2: it like through. That was the scariest thing. So Aaron said,
Speaker 2: that thing can just rip us apart. Dad, we're leaving now,
Speaker 2: and we did. We got out of there real quick.
Speaker 2: So we said we'd never go again. Well, the next
Speaker 2: the very next week, you played the recording. I was
Speaker 2: in my car with Karen and you said, I've got
Speaker 2: this recording.
Speaker 4: Is this?
Speaker 2: I said, that's sort of like it? And you said, well,
Speaker 2: you guys really should go back up there again, and
Speaker 2: me and Karen went up the very next week just
Speaker 2: to look around. We didn't find anything, but so we
Speaker 2: did go back, and then the very next year we
Speaker 2: had recording equipment. We had everything we needed and nothing happened.
Speaker 2: As far as we thought, nothing had happened. On the
Speaker 2: Saturday night, we'd gone back to our car to get
Speaker 2: some beers out of the car and we would stick
Speaker 2: them in the lake to keep them cool and regular evening,
Speaker 2: you know, we see the Milky Way at night. It
Speaker 2: was really cool but freezing cold. Nothing happened. We go
Speaker 2: to the car Sunday morning after we broke camp and
Speaker 2: there's all this debris in the road by the car.
Speaker 2: There's like broken tree branches and dragmark.
Speaker 4: In the road that was there when you drove in.
Speaker 2: Now it was not then we drove in and we'd
Speaker 2: been there on the Saturday night and it was like Christine,
Speaker 2: the only car tracks were our tire tracks or we
Speaker 2: pulled in and now there was a couple of small
Speaker 2: trees at the side of the car that were like
Speaker 2: pushed back, and it appeared to be there was like
Speaker 2: a tree trunk, probably ten or twelve inch diameter ten
Speaker 2: feet long. It looked like it had been hurled into
Speaker 2: the woods right by the car because it was broken down.
Speaker 2: That wasn't the day before. So we thought this is
Speaker 2: odd because we didn't hear anything. And then we looked down.
Speaker 2: There's a dirt road into the bog. There was a
Speaker 2: drag mark all the way down the center of the
Speaker 2: dirt road. So we follow that to the main forest road,
Speaker 2: which is like a tarmac one, and you could see
Speaker 2: for at least one hundred and fifty yards up the
Speaker 2: main road a dragon mark. Was someone or something and
Speaker 2: dragged this great, big log and held it in by
Speaker 2: the car. I don't know. I mean, a human's not
Speaker 2: going to do that. It would take several of us
Speaker 2: to lift it. And why would you do it? I
Speaker 2: can't that's bigfoot related, but I don't know what what
Speaker 2: it was. And Keith. Keith and Nico had been up
Speaker 2: there on the Thursday and they'd seen the tree laying
Speaker 2: at the side of the road before it was dragged down,
Speaker 2: So so something had moved that tree from there. It
Speaker 2: had to have been during Saturday night Sunday morning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so while you were there, something went and grabbed
Speaker 4: this tree. From one hundred and fifty yards away dragged it,
Speaker 4: like because you could see the drag marks down the.
Speaker 2: Paved road photos of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you remember that the paved road that goes
Speaker 4: into that spot, Bobo. And then you hang it right
Speaker 4: on that dirt road that you drove on the Finding
Speaker 4: Bigfoot episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that.
Speaker 4: Cement road had one hundred yards plus of drag marks
Speaker 4: from this tree. The tree was then dragged on this
Speaker 4: on the dirt road down another fifty yards or something
Speaker 4: like that. And then oh, so that's the one you
Speaker 4: told me about before.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was right next to the car, which is yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw the pictures. Yeah, I don't know if if
Speaker 2: they don't want us there, I mean i'd say not
Speaker 2: so we thought nothing happened, but something happened, but we're not.
Speaker 2: We didn't. We didn't hear anything. It just just the
Speaker 2: next morning that was there.
Speaker 4: That's even scarier to me though, like it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: nothing was going on. There was a dead weekend, and
Speaker 4: you get back and you see giant logs dragged around
Speaker 4: and thrown near your car that you were completely unaware of.
Speaker 4: That's even scarier.
Speaker 2: It was like doing a crime scene thing it's like,
Speaker 2: well it sees drag mark or down the road and
Speaker 2: then it was like on the on the tree that
Speaker 2: where had been held and see that's what we've done
Speaker 2: it and you could see it all the way down
Speaker 2: the top of that road.
Speaker 5: Very odd.
Speaker 4: And so Matt, do we have pictures of that? Would
Speaker 4: you want to post that to the members or absolutely, okay,
Speaker 4: I'll get you those pictures not too long. We can
Speaker 4: post those to the members. And of course anybody who
Speaker 4: wants to be a member, you can join up and
Speaker 4: get episodes like this free with with no commercials and
Speaker 4: an extra hour every single week. So I'm sure Matt
Speaker 4: will post a link to the membership sign up thing
Speaker 4: as well. So have you guys heard it? Have you,
Speaker 4: Matt Bobo? Have you guys heard of that kind of
Speaker 4: behavior where next to your vehicles something that has been
Speaker 4: deposited seemingly out of disgust of your presence. I mean,
Speaker 4: this is bigfooting, not like a date or something like that.
Speaker 10: Not really, I mean I've heard tons of stories about
Speaker 10: them doing that, like on the road, like you came
Speaker 10: in on and you go to the next day and
Speaker 10: the stuff's there like cross like an X cross road
Speaker 10: with logs or branches whatever, but not right next to
Speaker 10: the vehicle like that.
Speaker 5: That was weird. I still think it was a squash though. Yeah.
Speaker 11: Usually in the context that I've heard it, it's been
Speaker 11: like Bobo described, like somewhere, you know, across the road,
Speaker 11: you drive in and the road's clear, and then you
Speaker 11: go to drive out, you know, minutes or an hour
Speaker 11: later road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of unusual behavior, and I think that's
Speaker 4: very interesting. And at this spot. I mean, Matt, have
Speaker 4: you been to the bog? I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I have not been to the bog.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I know Bobo has a couple of times.
Speaker 4: There are sasquatches there. Maybe not all the time, but
Speaker 4: they definitely pop by there. And this, of course, that's
Speaker 4: a big area as well. You know, it's another one
Speaker 4: of these five or eight miles area on the side
Speaker 4: on the side sort of places. But there are sasquatches there.
Speaker 4: I found tracks are twice last summer. We have prints
Speaker 4: in the museum on display from a few years ago
Speaker 4: at the same location. Yeah, there are definitely sasquatches in
Speaker 4: the area. I've been frequenting the spot for a number
Speaker 4: of years now. And have a bunch of recordings. We've
Speaker 4: got stuff on finding Bigfoot when we visited there, it's
Speaker 4: that episode where Flear came out and Bobo was in
Speaker 4: a car with driving slow at the R two D
Speaker 4: two unit on top and I was walking around the
Speaker 4: edge of the swamp and stuff. So it's a very
Speaker 4: active area even to this day, although nobody's been there
Speaker 4: this year yet. I don't think the snow's opened them up.
Speaker 2: I think last year nothing happened. Last year when we went,
Speaker 2: it really was nothing. No recording has known nothing but Keith.
Speaker 2: I think Keith said he went two weeks later and
Speaker 2: he thought he saw something on the therm all in
Speaker 2: the area.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was last year. The
Speaker 4: year before he may have seen one there as well.
Speaker 4: He thought it was a rock, yeah, but when he
Speaker 4: looked again it was not there. So yeah, So it's
Speaker 4: a weird area, very eerie and very quiet.
Speaker 2: Oh when it's you just don't hear a thing, not
Speaker 2: a bird, nothing, even like in the daytime. It can
Speaker 2: be really creepy out there.
Speaker 4: And I do think that's a place that that's a
Speaker 4: perfect description for the kinds of places they like. I'm
Speaker 4: telling you I really think that they like the quiet
Speaker 4: places more than almost anything else. Well, that didn't end
Speaker 4: your bigfoot stuff. You actually put your eyes on one
Speaker 4: of these things this past year, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd never done a hike on the Oregon coast
Speaker 2: and so it was my West's birthday, so it was
Speaker 2: September and we went. It was a wilderness area north
Speaker 2: of Florence, and we did a bit of research. There
Speaker 2: was a brewery there and I had a big foot
Speaker 2: shirt on. The bartender saw my bigfoot shirt and she said,
Speaker 2: are you a believer? I said yeah, and she said
Speaker 2: I never was my husband is I am? Because I
Speaker 2: saw one? So I said, where did you see one?
Speaker 2: And there's a river comes all through the woods into
Speaker 2: the ocean, and she said. I was driving the work.
Speaker 2: We lived fourteen miles back in the woods, so I
Speaker 2: was like three miles from town. And then I thought,
Speaker 2: what is that idiot doing splashing on the water early
Speaker 2: in the morning. So I slowed down and looked, and
Speaker 2: it was a seven foot tall, black, hairy creature just
Speaker 2: slapping its hands on the water in the river, in
Speaker 2: the river, standing in the river, just splashing its hands.
Speaker 2: And she says, well, because she called her husband. He
Speaker 2: was pissed because he's never seen one and she had.
Speaker 2: And so then we'd looked at some BFI reports reports
Speaker 2: in the area and we thought, well, this is a
Speaker 2: good area. Me and you had a beer and you
Speaker 2: said you'd taken people out there and had experiences in
Speaker 2: this area. So we figured that's a great place to
Speaker 2: do a hike. And just you know, it's a squatchy area.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a million to one shot. And so
Speaker 2: we go into the forestry area because I'd read some
Speaker 2: stuff online it said the road in it's a two
Speaker 2: and a half mile road in and you basically go
Speaker 2: up all these switchbacks to the trailhead. It says, the
Speaker 2: most awful road you'll ever drive on. Leave your car
Speaker 2: at the bottom. Well, we thought, if we do that,
Speaker 2: that's five miles there and back just to the trailhead.
Speaker 2: You know, we're getting older, we're not doing that. So
Speaker 2: we were going to drive that. But I go to
Speaker 2: the forest guy and I said, how bad is the road?
Speaker 2: And I told him where we were going. He'as oh,
Speaker 2: went up there in my Honda. That's a great road.
Speaker 2: I went, really, he said, oh, yeah, great road. I said,
Speaker 2: are you sure and that there was two hikes half
Speaker 2: a mile apart. One was the ridge hike, one was
Speaker 2: the creek hike. He was talking about the creek hike.
Speaker 2: I said, I get a mapper. I said, it's this one.
Speaker 2: It's the ridge hike. He went, oh, I wouldn't go
Speaker 2: on that road. No, you can't drive that road. Thank god.
Speaker 2: We asked anyway. We drove a mile and a quarter up.
Speaker 2: Then the road got really sketchy and we go early,
Speaker 2: so it's barely light and I couldn't see. There was
Speaker 2: a big drop on the side. We've only got one vehicle.
Speaker 2: We can't go over the side. So we left the
Speaker 2: car and we walked the last mile and the quarter.
Speaker 2: Get to the top. There's a young guy pull him
Speaker 2: out in the suber at the trailhead and he was
Speaker 2: shot that. He said, where you guys walk from? I said, well,
Speaker 2: about a mile and a half away. He said, did
Speaker 2: you leave your car at the sketchy spot? I said, yes,
Speaker 2: I did. He said, if you're real careful, you can
Speaker 2: go almost over the edge and get around it. That's
Speaker 2: what he'd done. We're not doing that in the dark.
Speaker 2: But he thought we were mushroom pickers. He said, oh,
Speaker 2: there's so many mushrooms. Are you looking for mushrooms? I said, no,
Speaker 2: we're looking for sasquats, joking, And then he looked a
Speaker 2: bit worried. He said, less slept here all night in
Speaker 2: my car. He was a little bit worried. I said, well,
Speaker 2: did you hear or see anything? He said, not a thing,
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. So then we say goodbye, an he left
Speaker 2: and it was really overgrown trail. I mean people hardly
Speaker 2: go up there. It was really overground. We found the
Speaker 2: trail and once you got a mile or so up
Speaker 2: it opened out a little bit, so it was quite comfortable.
Speaker 2: We're still a single track and you've got like a
Speaker 2: deep ravine on your right hand side, and on the
Speaker 2: left hand side you've got like a twenty foot bank,
Speaker 2: and you're going along just below the ridge. And we'd
Speaker 2: gone it was about two and a half miles, and
Speaker 2: we looked ahead and you could see a saddle area
Speaker 2: where the bank on our left disappeared, and it was
Speaker 2: just an open, an open top ridge, and we could
Speaker 2: see the wind blowing through bushes move in and Karen's like,
Speaker 2: she's always like twenty yards behind me, and we're just
Speaker 2: plodding along and I'm looking ahead. Nothing there. I just
Speaker 2: looked down at my feet because we're always looking make
Speaker 2: sure we don't trip over. I look up again and
Speaker 2: as I look out, I jumped. Karen saw me jump.
Speaker 2: I said, what is it? And I said, I've just
Speaker 2: seen something. She said, what was it? I said, Well,
Speaker 2: it seemed to be about three or four feet tall,
Speaker 2: completely black, and it took one step and was gone.
Speaker 2: So it was from our point of view, it was
Speaker 2: going from left to right, like I come up over
Speaker 2: the ridge and was going down the other side. But
Speaker 2: I literally literally saw this little black figure on two legs.
Speaker 2: But it was like a kid. And had we been
Speaker 2: at a campground or a populated trail, you'd have thought
Speaker 2: it was a small kid like my grandkid in a hoodie,
Speaker 2: just black from head to foot. So I think, I
Speaker 2: think I've just seen one. And it sort of shook
Speaker 2: us up a little bit, so we we'd go running
Speaker 2: up there. We looked to where it had gone. It
Speaker 2: was really thick brush going down into like a ravine,
Speaker 2: so we couldn't get down there. And we look at
Speaker 2: the other side. It was quite a wide game trail
Speaker 2: where it had come from. I'm assuming didn't find any footprints.
Speaker 2: Spent probably thirty minutes just looking around trying to get
Speaker 2: any evidence, and I made Karen stand where I saw it.
Speaker 2: Then I went back to where I saw it, and
Speaker 2: I could see a white skin, blonde hair, orange coat. Great,
Speaker 2: I can see every color, whereas this thing was just
Speaker 2: jet black from head to foot and just two legs.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like the back of the bed. It was
Speaker 2: like a little round head. I guess it's like a
Speaker 2: little Murphy.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after these messages. Now you have grandchildren,
Speaker 4: how old if it was a human, how old would
Speaker 4: you say that child?
Speaker 2: It would be about My youngest grandson is seven, so
Speaker 2: it would be probably eight year old. And then so
Speaker 2: I got Karen to stand now, I said, you're too tall,
Speaker 2: duck down, back down. So she duck down to exactly
Speaker 2: what I saw, and it was about three to three
Speaker 2: and a half feet. But I only saw it for
Speaker 2: you know, like a blink of an I like a
Speaker 2: second second and a half and it was like and
Speaker 2: I sort of went whoa. It made me jump because
Speaker 2: it shouldn't have been there. And it just took a
Speaker 2: step and was gone. And so then we spent thirty
Speaker 2: or forty minutes looking around and couldn't find anything. We
Speaker 2: go about another half a mile and we said, well,
Speaker 2: let's go back. Maybe it's going to come back, who knows.
Speaker 2: We come back, there's nothing, and we got about forty
Speaker 2: yards past the spot and there's a lot of massive
Speaker 2: sicker spruce trees out there. Charenter, there's something up in
Speaker 2: this tree. You could hear branches breaking, and it was
Speaker 2: way up, but we could not see the thing. We
Speaker 2: had binoculars. We did all we could to see what
Speaker 2: was up this tree making it. It wasn't like a squirrel,
Speaker 2: it was like loud noises, but it's way up in
Speaker 2: the top of the tree. So we're there for about
Speaker 2: ten minutes trying to get sight on this thing. And
Speaker 2: then below in the ravine we hear that awful cougar
Speaker 2: noise where they make like a whistley screamy. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a weird noise. We hear that, and Karen said, that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm not staying here. We'll even so as we walked away.
Speaker 2: Then we then we had the only tree knock of
Speaker 2: the whole the whole trip. We got a tree knock
Speaker 2: as we walked away.
Speaker 4: From that same spot where the cougar noise was.
Speaker 2: Yes, so so well, you told me that your friend
Speaker 2: is sinner sasquatch mimica a cougar, cougar? Could it have
Speaker 2: been the mum? Maybe the baby was up the tree
Speaker 2: and the mum mimic the cougar. And did the tree
Speaker 2: knock when we left? I don't that's your speculation. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the tree knock is very compelling, and of course
Speaker 4: the cougar noise, I mean, the most reasonable suggestion is
Speaker 4: that it was a cougar.
Speaker 2: That's that's what we thought. But you can knock.
Speaker 4: But think about Lance, you know, the guests that we
Speaker 4: had on whatever episode that was, He said he had
Speaker 4: eyes on the sasquatch and it made cougar noises.
Speaker 5: Yea.
Speaker 4: So it was clearly imitating a cougar. And we've talked
Speaker 4: about that a lot in the show. How about sasquatches
Speaker 4: being good mimics. Just this past week, somebody reported that
Speaker 4: car door slamming again up on Lolo Pass Road. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: two and a half miles back on some trail up there,
Speaker 4: so I think it's safe to say sasquatches are almost
Speaker 4: certainly excellent mimics. So was that indeed a sasquatch or
Speaker 4: was that indeed a cougar? But the knock coming outterwards,
Speaker 4: that's the.
Speaker 2: Thing, and we know the trade kmark it was a cougar,
Speaker 2: and we would leave it anyway. We weren't stand around
Speaker 2: with a cougar.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: That was And then I called you and you said, well,
Speaker 2: you know what you saw, And I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 2: see it for long enough to know. It wasn't like
Speaker 2: seeing Patty walk across the field. It was so quick.
Speaker 2: But there's nothing else it could have been. I mean,
Speaker 2: it couldn't have been a kid. I mean, there's no
Speaker 2: one out We were the only ones out there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, a black furry figure on two legs and
Speaker 4: half feet tall. You saw a little roundhead and the
Speaker 4: most horrifying thing in the woods, a baby sasquatch. That
Speaker 4: wasn't the end of it, if I remember correctly, because
Speaker 4: didn't you go back to a different trail the next day?
Speaker 2: We were this was the weirdest thing we've ever experienced.
Speaker 2: It was the other trail, Like how far away from
Speaker 2: the mean trails half a mile to a mile from
Speaker 2: this trail. This is the creek trail and the same thing.
Speaker 2: We get there real early, it's barely light. Get we
Speaker 2: get out of the car. Immediately we hear a cougar.
Speaker 2: So Karen's no, I don't you know. We don't like
Speaker 2: going if there's cougar. So I said, just just wait.
Speaker 2: We'll wait a minute. We go back in the car
Speaker 2: and she said, we'll get the thermal out. We'll have
Speaker 2: a look with the thermal, so don't see anything. Then
Speaker 2: then we hear on the ridge crack crack crack, lots
Speaker 2: of branches snapping. No idea what it was, but it
Speaker 2: was loud. And then we hear another cougar sound from
Speaker 2: the other side of the trail. So apparently we had
Speaker 2: two cougars. Lots of tree snaps at the top like
Speaker 2: crack crack, crack crack, and then we had one tree
Speaker 2: in the middle. And we got in and out of
Speaker 2: the car twice. We kept getting the thumb all out
Speaker 2: and I said, oh, it was a creepy wood as well,
Speaker 2: a lot of whole growth. We hadn't been there before.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, I think we should go back to
Speaker 2: the hotel. That's our that's the Kena. She said, oh,
Speaker 2: we have to do it maybe, And then at the
Speaker 2: end of it, I said, well, let's do the woop thing.
Speaker 2: And it was still something was breaking, maybe it was
Speaker 2: a bear treading on stuff, but it was loud. Now
Speaker 2: we're the only ones there and it's early in the morning,
Speaker 2: so it echoes anyway, and so so we did a
Speaker 2: couple of whoops and the whole forest went silent. Never
Speaker 2: heard another thing all day long, and we ended up
Speaker 2: hiking ten or twelve miles. We didn't realize this singing
Speaker 2: up over ridges and we were in the middle of
Speaker 2: nowhere and we heard this incredible elk bugle and we
Speaker 2: both said, that's made the whole trip. We've never heard
Speaker 2: that in real life. And we're really excited. And we
Speaker 2: get to the top of the ridge. Two bow hunters
Speaker 2: come out of the come out of the bushes with
Speaker 2: a bow. I said, what are you doing? They said,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Because we're older, we're way out.
Speaker 2: They where did you come from? I said, the trailhead?
Speaker 2: You went really well? Yeah, I said, does it keep
Speaker 2: going up? He said, you're almost at the top. He said, well,
Speaker 2: we're you know, have you seen it? And I said no,
Speaker 2: but we heard the coolest one. You went, I'm real
Speaker 2: sorry that was me and it was like, oh so disappointment.
Speaker 2: But anyway, but.
Speaker 4: You saw a sasquatch that weekend and it didn't so
Speaker 4: there you go.
Speaker 2: So that was that was our story.
Speaker 4: Very good. Yes, this area is a is a great spot.
Speaker 4: I went on a bfro O expedition that Chris Minier
Speaker 4: hosted many years ago and brought people into this particular
Speaker 4: area and ran across one. I got knocks and some
Speaker 4: other loud noises and such. Didn't didn't see it. Unfortunately.
Speaker 4: I kind of wonder if that saddle was the same
Speaker 4: one that I ran into one on, but the pictures
Speaker 4: look so different, right, I doubt. But it's been a
Speaker 4: long time great area though, Holy smoke's a really good area.
Speaker 2: So we're going to do the same thing. We're going
Speaker 2: to do the Blueberry Bug the same time, me and
Speaker 2: my son, and we're going to go back to her
Speaker 2: birthday weekend at the same spot. I think these things
Speaker 2: are in the same spots year after year after year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think so too. It seems like you
Speaker 4: married well.
Speaker 5: Yes, big time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she deserves the metal.
Speaker 4: Very good.
Speaker 5: Good job on that one.
Speaker 2: It was actually on a sixty fifth birthday. I got
Speaker 2: Cliff to sign one of the sasquatch posters in the
Speaker 2: museum and it was signed by the artist and I
Speaker 2: gave it to a for a birthday up at the
Speaker 2: Blueberry Bug. That's a really cool picture. She's all proud,
Speaker 2: but it's science. That's a picture up in the Blueberry Bug.
Speaker 4: That's a good date. So the one that you saw
Speaker 4: the little guy, how fast was it moving, because I
Speaker 4: know you only got a second or so.
Speaker 2: I literally just saw it go like it was. It
Speaker 2: was fast, so I'm assuming it maybe heard us coming
Speaker 2: and just ran across the ridge.
Speaker 4: I'm assuming so the amount of time you were looking
Speaker 4: down before you put your head up again, that was
Speaker 4: enough time for it to clear that.
Speaker 2: Yes, because it wasn't very wide up there the saddle area.
Speaker 2: It was probably only it's not not even the length
Speaker 2: of this room, so not even twenty feet no, no,
Speaker 2: And it went down really steep and really thick brush. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe the thing was just hiding down there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it was still running, you probably would have
Speaker 4: heard it.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, there was no noise. We as soon as
Speaker 2: two or three seconds.
Speaker 5: What was that?
Speaker 2: Then we rushed down there to see if we could
Speaker 2: see anything. There was no sound whatsoever.
Speaker 4: And how far did you say that was between you
Speaker 4: and the creature.
Speaker 2: It's got to be about thirty yards or like one
Speaker 2: hundred feet, okay something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, enough far at all?
Speaker 2: No, no, And like I said, when Karen got in
Speaker 2: the same position, I could see everything, the color, but
Speaker 2: she was standing there posing or is this thing just
Speaker 2: it was gone?
Speaker 4: So yeah, just thin and scrawny like a little boy.
Speaker 2: It wasn't bulky whatsoever. It was just like like baby Murphy.
Speaker 2: That's not really bulky. That's like, yeah, it's pretty like gamely. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was sort of like that, and just two legs.
Speaker 2: Round head did have a rounded head. Yeah. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like a hat or anything. It was like a little
Speaker 2: rounded head.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So no saginal crests in otherwise, which makes sense because
Speaker 4: it hasn't been developed yet.
Speaker 2: Just a little roundhead.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I wish I'd had longer to see it.
Speaker 2: It was just like so quick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I remember when you called me so I
Speaker 4: don't know what it was as well. You'll see there's
Speaker 4: describe it again, hairy upright, covered in hair, three feet tall.
Speaker 4: It was had to be a baby sasquatch.
Speaker 8: I don't know what it was, but at the time
Speaker 8: you're like in a bit of a panic. It's like,
Speaker 8: you know, yeah, it was funny because like what else
Speaker 8: could it be? Yeah, I know, you know, I mean,
Speaker 8: you've said Plainer's day. It was on two late.
Speaker 2: It was two legs, and it was like a small child.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I'm saying, it was such a quick glimpse.
Speaker 2: Had we been at a campground and probably said that
Speaker 2: I was a kid running across in the hood, but
Speaker 2: it was when Karen stood there at the same distance,
Speaker 2: I could see every color and this thing was jet
Speaker 2: black from head to foot. So yeah, And it wasn't
Speaker 2: like the back end of the bed. There was like
Speaker 2: a gap before the tree and then it just went.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like the back end of something that
Speaker 2: was hiding in behind the tree. It was just a
Speaker 2: a little person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little person. And we're just talking a few
Speaker 4: weeks ago how scary little ones would be versus big ones.
Speaker 2: Too, so less the big one screams out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for the record, to say, a big one's a
Speaker 5: lot scarier than a small one.
Speaker 2: Perhaps it could be true because we ran up there
Speaker 2: to look for it. If it would have been a
Speaker 2: big one, we'd probably run the other way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Hope to have a taste test some day to find
Speaker 4: out which one is scarier.
Speaker 5: So all those all those decades of searchings, you feel
Speaker 5: like it paid off when you saw that it did.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at it, if you go
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty to now, what's that forty five years?
Speaker 2: So for all them thousands of hours in the woods
Speaker 2: out bigfoot in and hiking, we've had three or four
Speaker 2: really good incidents, which is not really a lot for
Speaker 2: all those hours in the woods, but it's still very cool.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I think Alan is a testament to persistence if nothing else.
Speaker 4: You know, he goes every weekend and not and not
Speaker 4: to see a sasquatch. He just goes to areas that
Speaker 4: happened to be squatchy for other reasons, and over the
Speaker 4: years he's been rewarded with a small number of really
Speaker 4: amazing experiences. Persistence I learned. I learned this when I
Speaker 4: took kung fu for those years. Persistence is more important
Speaker 4: than skill because it'll come eventually, you know. Yeah, patients
Speaker 4: and persistence are the two most important things you can
Speaker 4: have as a big footer, perhaps besides curiosity.
Speaker 2: When we saw the baby, I was teasing Melissa. I
Speaker 2: wanted to ty die in a be shirt and when
Speaker 2: I got it, I said, to it, let me see
Speaker 2: a sasquatch. I wore it that day.
Speaker 4: Oh you're wearing the tied eye and listening.
Speaker 2: I've got a photo of it. And I texted her
Speaker 2: so I said, excellent, it worked, and she was just laughing.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, we saw one. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: tight die.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: Everybody. Everybody should buy a ti die.
Speaker 4: We have new ones in the shop now. We are
Speaker 4: going to sell them online because everyone is distinctly different.
Speaker 4: And I know if I started selling them online people
Speaker 4: say that's not the one in the picture and complain.
Speaker 4: But if you do want one and you don't care
Speaker 4: what color you get, call the shop. We'll sell you
Speaker 4: one over the phone and perhaps you can see a
Speaker 4: sasquatch and your tight iece and mel I'll take five. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: guaranteed to see a sad watching this shirt. Well not really,
Speaker 4: not really at all, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It'll certainly up your chances.
Speaker 5: There you go, hawt to get out? Now? How happen
Speaker 5: to get out nowadays?
Speaker 2: Maybe we go out every weekend?
Speaker 5: You still do?
Speaker 2: Huh oh, yeah, you know, I'm not quite that decrepit.
Speaker 2: I mean we when we do when we do, like,
Speaker 2: we do anywhere from five to ten miles, but some
Speaker 2: of it like five miles sometimes if you're off and
Speaker 2: I have a ridge, is that seems like twenty miles
Speaker 2: if it's on the flat. So yeah, we get out
Speaker 2: all the time in.
Speaker 4: Good areas too, Like he's one of my eyes and
Speaker 4: ears in the woods that I hear from when something
Speaker 4: good is happening.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there you go, Bobs, you want to take
Speaker 4: us out?
Speaker 5: Sure? All right, folks, we're gonna head over the pictureon now.
Speaker 5: Thanks for tuning in and listening. Thanks to Alan for
Speaker 5: coming and sharing the stories with us, And until next week,
Speaker 5: y'all keep it squatchy.
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