Speaker 1: Our difference is worldwide would vanish if we were facing
an alien threat. Perhaps we need some outside universal threat
to make us recognize this common bound.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Across the Pond with the Paranormal UK
Radio Network.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome, Welcome to Across
the Pond. I am here with Liam. I go by
Sky Fawkes and for today, this is our first dual episodes.
Was supposed to be three of us. But you know,
things happen.
Speaker 4: Life happens, mechanical issues happen, which is always.
Speaker 3: When you least want them, and always on times that
are you know, the least convenient. It's like, oh, I
have a podcast recording to to do. The car is
gonna break down? A fuck, of course.
Speaker 2: It is, clearly, and they had something important to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you know the powers that be are
trying to prevent him from you know, from telling his story,
from telling his side of things. That's why they, you know,
remotely broke down his car.
Speaker 2: Well that should set the tone.
Speaker 3: So topic of today, which we have been discussing already
in private a bit and a gosh like a good
almost hour before we even started recording. Also, you know,
just kinda get to know each other, of course, since
we are both new additions to across the pond. Yeah,
I'm gonna talk about you know, a very hot topic.
Seems to getting hot, seems to be getting hotter.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's daily almost at the moment. Yeah,
you're probably right. Realistically, I think maybe I'm overshooting things
a little bit. Yeah, probably maybe a weekly basis. Things
are progressive. Yeah, yeah, this arena.
Speaker 3: Aliens and UAPs or UFOs or what is it unidentified?
I mean, is that still like UAP?
Speaker 2: Yeah, UAP so the new monika it attached to it.
Speaker 4: Yes, a few years ago, I think that they had
a big issue with people calling him UFOs because it's
too much of a buzzword in the sci fi community
and it's almost not in touch with the realms of reality.
So I think they did a rewording of it just
to sort of lends some more credibility to it. So
they've gone with UAPs identify aerial phenomena.
Speaker 3: Yeah, giving it a shiny new.
Speaker 2: Code seems to have done the trick though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it does, and they're not just aerial
like they seem to like come out of the water absolutely, yeah,
like on the water basis, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think it's a good starting point.
Speaker 4: Is I think for those who are listening and tuning
in that may not have their finger on the pulse
of this topic, it's I think it's important to set
the scene on just how relevant this topic is at
the minute. This isn't you know, like yesteryear where the
timfoil Hat Brigade would come out and start talking about
UFOs and everybody else that's laugh at them. You know,
this is really picked up momentum massively, especially in the
last eight years or so, which we touched on earlier
with the New York Times releasing those leaked videos from
the Pentagon, and that's when sort of things really started hot,
you know, in the mainstream as mainstream as it possibly
could be.
Speaker 2: Maybe not on the mainstream media, but there are.
Speaker 4: You know, news outlets and journalists on the fringe of
mainstream that are talking about this, and there are very
important people also joining in with the conversation. And I think,
like I said at the beginning of this statement, is
paragraphic show says to really set the scene that this
isn't just you know, crazy talk anymore. This is real
talk that is happening daily between some of the most
influential people on this planet. This is a very very
real subject, and it's very serious and it needs to
be taken seriously.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if you know, all the top people
from the world's governments are you know, taking it seriously,
and especially from a military standpoint, taking it as a
a credible threat m absolutely, which is something you know
that we could get into because there has been at
least one project dedicated to you know, alien threats or
you know, threats from outside of our planet at least.
But yeah, you know, if the if the military is
taking it seriously, if the government is taking it seriously
from just phase value, whether you believe those are credible
people or not, you know, they are very high up
they do. You know, they're very credible people. You know,
they they have the papers, they have the studies, they
have the credentials, so they're yeah, you know, maybe we
should start taking it seriously as well, and not just
as something that you put so eloquently. The the Tinfoil
Hat Brigade can't stop talking about.
Speaker 4: Well, the reality of the situation is everybody on this
planet is taking it seriously Apart from the general public. Now,
why is that.
Speaker 2: That's the question.
Speaker 4: Why is it the public who are not taking it seriously? Yeah,
everybody else is all the men in suits, they're taking
this very seriously. And now you can argue that there
is a cloak of you know, misleading information over the years,
and there is, I think there's platantly been a massive
effort to cover this whole thing up, you know, and
we're in twenty twenty five and there's still people walking
around in this world that don't know.
Speaker 2: About this topic. So it's it's clear that this has
been a.
Speaker 4: Massive cover up, possibly one of the greatest scams in
human history.
Speaker 2: Really, it really is that serious.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: And we're we're not talking about you know, little green
Man from Mars because I think the the general let's
say educated, don't want to say uneducated, but less educated public.
You know, maybe that is the view that they're still having,
you know, maybe that's the stereotype that they're still thinking of.
Very much formed by popular media. Hollywood had absolutely major
major role in you know, how we perceive things, including aliens.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and there is peace in ignorance, you know, it's
it's a lot easier to deny the existence of something
rather than deal with the reality of the situation and
what that could potentially mean for your own little personal
peace of the world that you live in.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's as we you know, they're saying,
is isn't it?
Speaker 5: Isn't it?
Speaker 2: Read the red pill or the blue pill? Are you
awake or unawake?
Speaker 4: You know, that's the difference between the people walking around
out there. You know, I've just bothered to look into
it and really take it seriously and examine the data.
And that's the important thing that none of these sort
of claims are made based on hearsay. You know, there
is data, There is tangible data right there to be
seen and found that backs up the claims made by
various officials over the years that have categorically stated and
better their livelihood than the fact that this is a
very real phenomena. And I don't want to say threat
because I don't believe it to be a threat. And
anybody that's had any experience with the phenomena has already
said and the categorically stated many times that there is
no threat here to be had. This is a from
what people have said, majority of it's majoratively, it's a peaceful,
you know experience, whatever that may be, loving experience. There's
a lot of emotions, but for the most part positive
based around any sort of contact with ets and UAPs,
and that seems to be the case over the years.
Say that before we move into it in real depth,
is that there's no fear as far as I'm aware
and concerned to be had on the topic. It's more
one of curiosity and you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, absolutely, And you know, you could even kind
of since I am more of a spiritual thinker, a
could minded individual, you know, you could kind of attached
to that the talk about you know, star seeds, which
is also kind of a fact. You know, human DNA
is not native to our planet, which you know, looking
at the at the grand scheme of things, might explain
a lot, you know, it might also explain how we
how we go around taking care or you know, really
not taking care of our planet. But just you know,
human DNA itself has come from outer space somewhere at
a certain point in time. When that was or how
that came to be is you know, is still up
for discussion. You know that whatever whatever you want, I'm
sure there are many different sources who will tell you
many different things about it. But the fact is we
are not from this planet.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of theories on it, isn't it.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of I mean, we talked about
one just previously, the Assertophiles. We mentioned it now in
that particular and if you are interested, you can YouTube it.
Area fifty two is a really good source to go to.
It did an in depth reading of the four piece,
the four part Lessertophiles. It covers it in detail.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: The premise of the interview was a Swedish gentleman interviewed a.
Speaker 2: Reptilian species of et.
Speaker 4: I say, at it's not actually it's an earthly but
we don't want to go too crazy. What I don't
want to do here is just go straight in and
frighten everybody off that may be dipping the toe into
the world of UAPs and start talking about reptilians and
all sorts of crazy things.
Speaker 2: There are theories.
Speaker 4: And again this is one of those things, and I
mentioned it before and again if you're new to this,
you beginning of your journey potentially could start now and
as you move through the topics and the subjects and
you hear about this, and you learn about that, it
becomes very evident that there is a grand picture and
you start connecting some of these dots and things start
to make sense, and this particular story or match up
with this one and this, you know, and before you
know it, you've got this picture and you see it
the bigger picture. You start to see the puzzle coming together,
and the Lessertophiles is one of them. You know, there's
a lot of stuff that are crazy, stuff within the
Lessertophiles that you think, I don't know, that seems a
bit far fetched, But then you hear it against and
compare it against another.
Speaker 2: Story or you know, another.
Speaker 4: Theory, and it marries up and you think it's two coincidence.
You know, there's way too many coincidences throughout this entire
topic for it not to be real. So let's get
that off the table straight away. If you start there
thinking this isn't real, I can tell you now what it is.
Speaker 2: It's real. It's very real.
Speaker 4: So let's get that out there straight away. This is real,
and the way that we unpack it is very careful.
We've got to be careful in the way that we
unpack it. Shall I say because if you're listening for
the first time and we go in with something really
heavy straight away, it might it might switch you off.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I started very easy.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can speak for yourself, but my introduction
to this was very simple. Joe Rogan, he was just
interviewing one of the US Air Force pilots that was
involved with the TIC TAC phenomena. Again, if you don't
know what that is, by all means, YouTube it.
Speaker 2: You'll see it. The UAP phenomena.
Speaker 4: And Ryan Graves was the pilot, Not Ryan Graves, Rattan Frevor,
David Fravor was the pilot that I saw the tic
TAC and filmed it on his instruments within his his jet.
And that's that's how I was introduced to this. I
was very interested in what he had to say. I
couldn't believe it at first, much maybe the same as you.
I was always one of those who thought, there's got
to be ets out there, aliens out there. There's no
way I can be ignorant enough to sit here and
think we're the only intelligent species in the universe, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, there are so many different theories even about that,
and my the one that I always always go to
the one that I always you know, when this conversation
comes up with you know, normal people, for as far
as I know normal people. You know, It's like, there
are so many other planets out there in you know,
just the known universe, just the part of you know,
everything that we have mapped that we know to exist.
There are so many planets, and there are we we're
also finding more and more planets who are in the
so called Goldilocks zone with you know, their star, with
their own son, you know, taking Earth as a base
measurement of course, so you know, even in the Goldilocks zone,
which according to know only earthly physics, should be a
high possibility probability of some sort of life out there,
or you know, a life form, because if it could
happen on Earth, then other planets who you know, are
very similar to Earth, maybe a bit maybe a bit bigger,
maybe a bit smaller, but in the like around the
same orbit. Why can these happen there? That's of course
the first thing that you're going to look for. We
have found well quite some and more and more each
each year, each couple of years, and there are so
many other planets. There are so many other stars, so
many other suns. It seems even mathematically impossible that our
planet is the only one out there with life, and
I mean life in the you know, most like most
broad spectrum that you can imagine, like even bacterial life
is still life. You know, I don't necessarily mean that
there are you know, another form of humans walking around
or some other form of you know, bipedal creatures. Intelligent life.
Maybe maybe that's that's out there as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it depends what you thoughts are on
the way that intelligent life evolves. Because in nature, one
thing we do know is that life always takes and
this is just physics life and physics biology, everything always
takes the root of least resistance everything. That's the evolution life.
Whatever you know, you drop something, it falls straight down.
It's the way that it is. The laws of physics
how we understand them. Now, is there an argument to
suggest possibly doesn't matter where you are in the universe.
If you are in the habitable zone and there is
enough time and there's enough resources, life will evolve in
the same way everywhere I having hands, having eyes, having
the senses, is that the optimimum, optimum way for a
biological being to evolve i e.
Speaker 2: A humanoid.
Speaker 4: Is it rational to say that out there life always
takes the same path i e. Two eyes and mouth,
you know, the senses, the hands to make and grasp,
and you know, make our own environment, our own essentially,
who knows.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I would like to think that we are unique. But
if if you just like, you know, look at life
on Earth, if you look at you know, birds, bats,
certain what are mammals, you know, like dolphins, whales, they
have you know, just very large fingers really, you know,
especially with bats for example, what you think are their
wings or you know, their hands, but with incredibly long
fingers and very thin, flexible skin within them, so that
that the form is is there. There seems to be
some sort of a you know, let's call it the
blueprint from where everything has has evolved. Is it possible
that on some other planet, in some other galaxy, in
some other solar system, the same thing happened.
Speaker 4: The interesting thing about life for me on this planet
and our particular little rock floating through the cosmos, is
that we're the only species I suppose, unless you you know,
you take monkeys and apes into consideration. But We're the
only species that has taken the evolutionary tract that we
have that has allowed us to be able to manipulate
our outside and worldwide worldly environment with our hands and
our thoughts, to be able to build, construct, and utilize
the laws of physics to our will. Essentially, why is
there no other species on this planet that has done that?
And that leads me onto the assertain thing. Has our
evolution been sped up as somebody, an intelligent form out
there manipulated our genes? Why we the only one who can?
You perceive the world in the way that we do.
Speaker 3: I do believe that there are certain primate species. I
would have to look up the exact details on this,
but I do you believe that there are certain primate
species on you know, on our planet who are now
using very rudimentary stone tools.
Speaker 2: Well, why are we so far ahead of them?
Speaker 4: Because we're not just an evolutionary leap, We're in another realm.
Speaker 2: Were way ahead. Why?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, why did we the massive Why why
did we as in the human Homo sapiens? Why did
we take that jump and say the orangutangs didn't, other
chimps didn't. Why what's so special about us, which which
leads me onto the asserta thing and that does is
one of the dots that you connect from the Lasertaphiles
in the suggestion is from leserta Philes is there was
an at civilization that came to Earth and they manipulated
our genes in order to speed our evolution up, which
would then aid them in what they were trying to do,
i e. Mine resources and precious metals from the plant
that we live on. They essentially manipulated our genes to
make us their worker bees. So the question that I
left there was has our genes been manipulated by another
species in order to make us more efficient doing their
will a mining resources for them, Which is something that
is suggested that'd explain why we're so far ahead evolutionary
than every other species on Earth.
Speaker 3: It could, but like don't you think if they had
the if they had the means, if they had the
the technology to do that, that they would have the
the technology to do it themselves. This is why again
go through all the trouble too, you know, grab a
you know, random primate species or you know, early hormonid
species and inject them with you know whatever to you
know or manipulate their DNA in such a way that
they have become, you know, incredibly advanced. If you can
do that, if you go can go through all that trouble,
why not just mind it yourself? If you have the
tools for genetic manipulation, you have basic mining tools or
the capability to make basic mining tools.
Speaker 4: Well, the thing is today, if you take away everything
that's happened over the last god knows how many thousands
of years, and you take today's civilization, if ets come
down now and they tell us, are the commanders to
do what they did years ago?
Speaker 2: So build a pyramid?
Speaker 4: For instance, if you come down now and you get
humans to build you a pyramid I like the ones
in Geezer, would it be the same. Because there's a
lot of argument that even archaeologists today back it up
that we as humans today without technology couldn't do what
they have done. Now when you look back at some
of the cave paintings and go on.
Speaker 3: No, I I have a a bit of a explanation
for that. We're we're gonna have to go more into
the the spiritual realm.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of spiritual texts a lot
of spiritual believes, you know, most well known being the
Bible says that no man has fallen, has fallen into matter.
You know that we weren't always this, you know, this dense.
If you will, you know, we were beings, you know, difine,
beings of pure love and light. That is, if you
you know, go according to you know, more Biblical scripture
is more theosophical way of thinking, you know, Blavatsky, Steiner,
those those people. So if you know we have fallen
into matter, you could argue that, you know, the rest
of the world, of our planet as we know it
there is, is very dense, you know, not not always
on the same level of density as we are. But
you know, let's say the the entirety of the earth
as a living being has fallen into matter. That could
mean that those those stones, those you know, multiple one
hundred thousand tons stones, were a lot less dense, a
lot lighter than they are now. And it is a
given fact that we are not at our technolog technological peak.
We have peaked multiple times, you know, but you know
in this, you know, in this round, in this you know,
go around, we're definitely not at our technological peak. So
that is it's it's it's a thought that I had.
It is kind of backed up by theosophy. It is
a little bit backed up by the Bible. And I
want to preface the Bible are not literal texts. You know,
they don't tell you literally what happened. The Bible is allegorical,
it's astronomical, it's astrology, it's a cult, it's mysticism, it's
it's pretty much anything but literal. So falling into matter,
falling into density, it would make sense that, you know,
in order for us to still survive on this Earth,
either we would have to be have to be placed
on a denser planet. Kind of also going back into
the the notion that our DNA is not from here,
you know, if we come from the Garden of Eden,
this most definitely is not the Garden of Eden. I
can tell you that much. You know, you're you're an Englishman,
I'm a I'm a dutch Man. This is far from
the garden.
Speaker 4: If it has it's been chopped down, oh boy, has
it a long time ago.
Speaker 3: So you know, this is very much a dense planet.
And I think with you know, the previous civilizations, there
have been previous civilizations that were way more advanced technologically advanced,
spiritually advanced than we are now. So with you know,
less dense materials, I am absolutely sure it is possible,
or even it has to be on a very large scale.
But you know, through the power of simatics, sound vibrations,
you can levitate objects, even rocks, you know, heavier rocks,
through vibrations, sound vibrations. There are experiments done. There is
a very well known video floating around the Internet of
a I believe it's a Russian scientist at a kind
of an expo who's making three types of rock floats,
you know, one heavier than the other, and he's doing
it through the use of simatics, the use of sound,
use of vibration. So I do believe that we have
built the pyramids, and but yeah, it's true, we would
absolutely not be capable of doing that now. Absolutely, it's
no way it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 4: No, I agree, and that seems to be the general
consensus from the scientific communities that we couldn't do that now. Now,
I don't know if anybody's been keeping an eye on it,
but recently this I suppose there's been a lot of
interest in the pyramids in Egypt, potential structure found underneath.
Speaker 2: But the one of the.
Speaker 4: Things that's interesting, and then just bringing this up because
you mentioned it with we're talking about sound frequencies to
move heavy of it heavy objects. So the pyramid itself
obviously them stones that make up the pyramid vary in size,
but huge, right, they're huge and essentially unliftable by today's standards. Now,
what they've got or what they've seen on the on
paintings within side, you know, hieroglyphics within the pyramids in
certain chambers, is that they've found depictions of the workers
at the time moving these rocks and maneuvering them into position.
And what they've seen on some of the pictures of
the rocks themselves is a serpent, and a serpent depicts
electricity from way back then. So there is an idea
and this sort of goes hand in hand with potentially
what they've discovered.
Speaker 1: I e.
Speaker 4: A generator, free energy generator that is part of the
pyramid structure itself. I could imagine that we should watch
this space a little further just to discover, you know,
and see what's really going on there. I imagine there's
going to be some peer peer reviews, you know, peer
to peer reviews on the paper that's been released to
confirm it, and depending on who the person is or
who the people are doing those peer to peer reviews.
And this is where it becomes a gray area for me.
And we're going to that in a second, but we're
talking about who is this information going to, who is
controlling it? Are you who's confirming are denying the fact
that this is real? And what's the legitimacy of their
claim on that and who has got to benefit from that?
This is where the corruption thing comes in. It's blatantly
been at play over the years. You know, money follow
the money, you know who sets the profit from this information?
Which is why I'm very dubious when it comes to
who's doing the information investigation.
Speaker 2: Here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And are the credible and do they want this information released?
So but anyway back to the point of there, you know,
there's a serpent on the rock which depicts electors to
which goes hand in hand with potentially what they think
they've discovered underneath it with being a free energy you know,
essentially a device that creates energy which would enable them
to then move these things or whatever else is that
they're doing, and it does explain a lot. You know,
this is just another one of those dots, does it.
If it does turn out to be some kind of
energy generator, I mean, obviously, that throws the whole world
into into chaos, essentially, because everything we'd known and believed
comes crashing down around us. And I think, and I
mentioned this this morning, if this is the case, and
it does turn out to be true, and that there
is this free energy generator underneath within the pyramids, then
this could be their way, or that the establishment of
the world's way of breaking the idea of a soft disclosure.
Because let's imagine for a second, if you've been covering
up this secret for potentially hundreds of years from the
public eye, if you are if President Trump or any
other elected official of the world comes out and stands
behind electing and then says to the world, yes, all
these years, it's true, you know they exist, they're here.
What comes next, that's horrid masses of questions. And those
questions aren't, says, necessarily, going to be good questions. There's
going to be people who are going to be held
to account for why this has been a secret, why
it's been kept a secret, what reasons it's been a secret,
and how much it's cost to keep this a secret.
Because there's criminal activity here, and again this is something
that we'll no doubt covering a later topic if we're
dig into the bones of it now.
Speaker 3: So basically, will it be men in black or will
it be mors.
Speaker 2: Attacks men in black type situations?
Speaker 4: From what I've gathered over there, looking into the various encounters,
it seems to be that there are a man there
are a group of men in black that seem to
follow these encounters around and making sure people stay quiet. Now,
the point I was making regarding the pyramid as a
soft disclosure, this alleviates the need for people to answer
questions if there is a new discovery, and that new
discovery then leads to the information being released that there
are ets and they were responsible for helping with the
pyramids and providing humans with technology that assisted him in
these previous civilizations. That then takes the heat off a
lot of officials in the world that have been covering
this up because essentially they can ignore everything that's happened
previously and say, oh, we found it discovery and because
the discovery could be that groundbreaking for the average Joe,
not like us who's been keeping the finger on the
pulst of the topic. That's very easy to say, Oh, brilliant,
they are real. It's real, you know, and you forget
about all the rest of the stuff to cover up
the lies the this seat, you know, you forget about
all of that. This could be a very very way,
a very good way for the governments of the world
to break disclosure without getting the hands dirty, so to speak.
So this is why I'm really watching this topic with
curiosity going forward and what it means and how they're
going to release this information, because there's two ways it
could go. They could deny everything and say there isn't
an energy generator underneath and it's all rubbish that you know,
the lead scanner was wrong. Or it could be a
soft disclosure. You don't know, but it'd be interesting to
see how it develops.
Speaker 3: Basically, what you're describing is Project Bluebeam, but without the
threat of violence.
Speaker 4: Well, this is the thing we don't know, and anybody
I think with a finger on the post of this
topic it's up to date. I think there's just so
much confusion because we don't know what the hell's going on.
The project Bluebeam thing, you know, this potential pyramid situation.
There's a lot of weird things happen in moving parts
and you know, official documents and projects, and nobody seems
to have a clue what the hell is happening.
Speaker 3: And this has been going on for you know, several
hundreds of years. I mean wefly mentioned Blavatsky, you know
theosophy that is late late eighteen hundreds, I believe for
early eighteen hundreds. You know Crowley with Lamb, you know,
the supposed entity that he made, he made contact with
who very much if you look at the drawings that
have been made based on the description given by Crowley,
very much looks like what we recognize as a gray alien.
You know. So it's been it's been going on for
for so incredibly long. And you know, you at the beginning,
like you mentioned the forties. You know, let's talk about
the forties, the nineteen forties, and you know the guy
with the funny mustache.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody knows that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he and his cabinet and most of all,
even his his second in command, was obsessed with the occult.
Was obsessed with, you know, like the theories of Atlantis,
of Limuria, of you know, civilizations you know gone by,
even created a yeah, I want to say, like kind
of secret society in the annan Erba, who were you know,
all about the thrill about the life force. You know,
those women there weren't allowed to to cut their hair
for example, because you know your hair. They are like
the antennas through which you you connect with the divine
or you get you know, you connect divine messages, which
you know has its roots in so many other beliefs
as well. I believe the Native Americans believe that it
is in the you know, the biblical story of Samsung,
who you know, got his hair cut and lost all
of his power.
Speaker 4: Well, one of the things that again this is just
about the whole journey we're on here, is about connecting dots,
as I mentioned earlier, and just listening to something you
said there, it provides another dot to connect and the
reason for that is something else, and I.
Speaker 2: Would keep referring to it. I probably should move away.
Speaker 4: But it goes back to the Lasertophiles and that there
was something in there that was said that some of
thing similar that you just said, and it connects the dots.
I'm just trying to think what it was now, just
what was we saying then? I'm sorry, I just added
that it may add this the pathway go back over that,
so we went back Atlantis Atlantis? So what what was
said in the Lessertophiles? And this was something that really
it really made my ears prick up? And the laserta
so this is the reptilia, this earthling, previous earth species
that's been around longer than us on the planet said
that we know a fraction more today than we did
five hundred years ago about physics, and you know, the
universe as.
Speaker 2: It we know a fraction more.
Speaker 4: So when you think about the exponential leaps that we've
taken as a human race in the last five hundred years,
with the Industrial revolution, medicine, wars, technology just increasing, evolving
the way that it has, it's mind blowing to say
that five hundred years ago and now we know barely
any different considering how much we've learned in the last
five hundred years is mind blowing.
Speaker 2: And I believe that, I do believe that.
Speaker 4: I think there's laws of physics out there that we
just don't understand and then what happens here on our
planet is unique essentially to us, based on our universe
and the elements around us. I think things are different
out there. There are planets that rain diamonds, for instance,
and the physics, you know, there's rain that goes up.
There's different laws of physics in different places. What we
know about our world is what we know about our world.
But we're saying about civilizations that have died out throughout
the millennia, and you can see evidence of it, you know,
the Atlanteans and you know things people think that's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's not, it's really not. You know, you go around.
You look at the place in Turkey.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the name of it now, but you
know they found the city buried underground. They suggest there
is a city underneath the sphinx. Yeah, you know there's
pyramids under the sea or how did they get there?
Speaker 3: You know, living closer to home between our countries, between
the Netherlands and the UK, there was dogger Land.
Speaker 4: The dogger Land exactly, not Cea, you p ifod went underwater?
Who lived there? What is there? You know, how we
looked and when we say, oh, you know, in ninety
percent of the world's oceans are undiscovered. I can tell
you now. There's things down there from previous civilizations. There
are Antarctica is another thing. I can't remember the name
of it, but there's a map, isn't it. It was
pre Christopher Columbus and Antarctica was a land mass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean is ever found like way way deep
into the into the eyes, like kilometers deep into the
eyes of vegetation.
Speaker 4: These things covered up on Google World and Google Earth.
You know why are they covering these things up. There's
a pyramid there in Antarctica that fought and you could
see it. Suddenly there was a blurry area over that
area on Google Maps. Why do you know why? And
there's a no fly zone and you can't just go there.
We couldn't just raise our own money and just go
to Antarctica and walk around willy nilly. There are government
rules in places or whoever you know it's responsible for
that area of the world. Who says, well, it's too dangerous,
you can't go there. Is that the case?
Speaker 2: Oh we're not getting told the full picture, like we.
Speaker 3: Can we can go there. But there are indeed a
lot of you know, strict rules and.
Speaker 4: Violations it's not because of the cold. Don't tell me
it's because of the cold.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's even lately there's this this whole thing about a
group of flat Earthers who went to the South Pole
to try and debunk the twenty four hour Sun that
that happens, I believe like during this time of year
or whenever that is in the on the Southern Equator.
They actually managed to find proof of the twenty four
hours son. They saw the twenty four hours Son with
their own eyes, debunking the whole flat Earth model. And
still there are.
Speaker 2: You know, it's incredible, right, you know this it's fake.
Speaker 3: You know there there you know there there government shields
and whatever. No, it was literally some dude with his
own money took two of the more let's say, high
profile flat Earth content creators with him and said, hey,
let's go see for ourselves. So yeah, it is, it
is possible, but it's you know, it's very it's very
hard to to get there. But it's not. It's it
has been the notion, especially in the conspiracy realm, said oh,
you know, you can't go to Antarctica because I don't know,
like you'll be shut down or you know, like the
freaking the whole world government will come with their army
and try to stop. You know, you you can't go
to Antarctica, you know, it's just the There are research
stations there, there's a lot of sensitive equipment there, and yeah,
theories of more shadier things as well, you know. Going
back to you Funny Mustach, she's.
Speaker 2: Well he had they had a team, didn't they at
the Nazis.
Speaker 4: But while we're on the subject, let me tell you
something that I've heard obviously, stories and tales along this
rabbit hole journey van Tide, But one thing that is
tangible and you can't argue with this. You can have
theories about no fly zones and green zones within Antarctica,
of lush life and something that we may never know
without going there and physically seeing. But one thing that
is true, and this is tangible evidence. NASA did. They
carried out some experiments in Antarctica because there were some
strange things going on, and they did this thing called
Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna were basically the detected unusual neutrino behavior.
So we're talking at the atomic level neutrons, right, And
what they did is they discovered that particles moved backwards
in time at a certain area within the Antarctic moved
backwards in time, So they essentially manipulated time space, these particles,
and there's something interesting about.
Speaker 3: That, now against the laws of physics exactly.
Speaker 4: So let me read this to you. This is from NASA.
NASA's Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna experiment detected unusual nutrinal behavior,
which some scientists interpreted as particles moving backwards in time.
This phnomenaly led to speculations about parallel universes or alternative realities.
Experts caution obviously that there's no concrete evidence to support
these claims, which is something they've obviously got.
Speaker 2: To say before there's any peer peer reviews.
Speaker 4: But the scientific community remains skeptical, emphasizing the need for
right rigorous analysis. Obviously, that goes without saying on any
of this stuff, because you know, we're talking about Earth,
you know, human history altering information that's coming to light.
You know, essentially we're saying that particles are moving backwards
in time. Does that mean that humans, under the right
circumstances in that area would also essentially become ageless?
Speaker 5: Do you know?
Speaker 4: What I mean is more to be There's more to
be told on this topic. There's more to be told.
But what we do know is and this is fact.
This isn't made fabricating it. NASA have done the experiment.
They've found that neutrino particles age backwards, they move backwards
in time.
Speaker 2: You do with that information what you will. But if
you want to go down a rabbit hole, and.
Speaker 4: Antarcticare the North Pole and portals around the world that
connect various places on Earth. Antarctica falls into that category exactly,
stargates Egypt being one of them. The Sphinx is a
very very famous one.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's also being said that, you know, there
was one of the reasons why the US invaders Afghanistan,
like Afghanistan or Iraq. I believe Iraq is that is
the or you know what we were what we're told
is the location of ancient Mesopotamia. So you know, from
the historical, religious, any kind of perspective, very very interesting area.
And I mean Saddam, you know, say whatever you want
about his cruelty, he wasn't stupid. You know, he had stuff,
you know, he had certain things.
Speaker 4: Well, is that why the coalition forces went in under
the guise of UN nuclear inspectors. Everybody knew there was
no nuclear weapons in Iraq. I've been in the army
twenty years. I can tell you now there was no
nuclear weapons in Iraq. The UN went in to look
for that, and then suddenly we're at war. Why really
talking about Iraqi here? You know?
Speaker 3: It apparently also had to do with nine to eleven,
which I believe no Iraqi or just a few Iraqi
citizens were a part of, and even if they were,
they were backed by Sadi money.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when the Iranian Iran is essentially the fuel for
most of these terror groups. Al Kay had a bit
one of him which took responsibility for nine to eleven,
but that was Afghanistan predominantly, which is why we went
into Afghanistan. Apparently we're willing to Iraq to take nuclear
weapons away.
Speaker 3: Yeah w M d S. Which later was a minute like,
oh you know there are none?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, But why we're still here five years later.
Speaker 3: Because of the hell yeah, that's my cat.
Speaker 2: I wondered what that was.
Speaker 3: No, that's my cat. Like every time I every time
I record, whether it's solo or you know, on my
show or you.
Speaker 2: Know appeckable timing across the pond.
Speaker 3: He always has to to make himself known. On on
my own show, he's lovingly dubbed my kiddy co host.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, we've got a fourth co host,
a fairy little co host.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess it is still the three of
us at the moment, just not the one we thought
it was going to be. Uh yeah, no, but it's
the The answer to that is civil unrest. Well, yeah, obviously,
you know, you're basically invaded by a foreign country. They
tear your ship up, and then they're you know, then
they're telling you like, oh, we're gonna stay a little
longer because you know, you guys seem to be really
really angry, so like you you're gonna need to calm
down first, Okay, that's gonna help. It's like you mean,
like you slapping me in the face and telling me like, hey,
oh oh, don't get angry now, you know. And I'm
gonna stay here right in front of you until you're
not angry anymore. I'm gonna like stop being angry if
you you know, pack your shit and leave. But you know,
and there's another another very popular theory, one that I
you know, always like to say because we know there
were in Iraq afghanistand like that that area just so
many poppy fields, oh yeah, and plenty of crude oil
of course in that area too, so a lot of gold.
There are plenty of pictures with I believe mostly US
soldiers with just sitting on heaps and heaps of gold.
I always made that they were fighting for God, standing
for gold, oil, drugs.
Speaker 2: I can pretty much guarantee you thatn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting really because you know with the gold situation,
is that from a lot of stories and theories and
things that you move through, precious metals is a.
Speaker 2: Huge resource for ets, gold.
Speaker 4: Being one of them, i e. The precious metal. Apparently
it's just sparse throughout the universe. You know, there's not
a lot of gold from what we've seen. So gold,
obviously it's a very rare commodity within the universe. There
are ways of picking it up and seeing it in
the way that it reacts on the so we can
see within the universe itself where the gold is or
where some gold is. Obviously it's huge, but it's not
a it's not a common element, which it does back
up the fact that again under the certain files, I'm
coming back to it again is the genetic manipulation of
our genes in order to mine that stuff. It's not
within the realms of you know, not being real, not
a reality. And the way that we cover gold on
this planet, it's like inherent you know, children they don't
know the value of something, but they're attracted to gold,
you know where all attracted to gold is an element
as a precious metal? Why why has it been installed
into ards? Same with diamonds, you know, precious metals. There's
something that we're just attracted to. But why money thing?
Speaker 3: Diamonds aren't rare.
Speaker 4: Diamonds are well, yeah, common commonplace.
Speaker 3: The South African the Beer family who you know, broad
on the notion that they are so you know, incredibly
rare and so incredibly you know, valuable because of it
and make themselves very rich and gold Like I I
there is a a book series that I have have
read as a kid kind of you know, also kind
of having to do with alternate universes. So yeah, I
was I was doomed from you know, kid on because
I was already reading those books. But they they make
a good point like in the let's say alternate universe
of those those book series, the Stravaganza series, very good books.
Gold is worthless because once gold, you know, becomes dirty,
starts to spot, it's you know, you can't work it anymore. Silver,
on the other hand, you can always polish. Whenever silver
it gets you know, a little dirty, a little you know,
it's kind of losing. It's it's glimmer, it's shimmer. You
can polish it and it's you know, like new again.
But still, you know, gold is what we're going for,
and maybe there is there's an astrological link to be made.
You know, gold reminding us of the sun, and the
sun is what gives us, gives us life, it gives
us warmth, It makes make sure that, you know, our
crops grow. It's it makes sure that we have plenty
of vitamin D, although you know, a brit and a
Dutchman fit min D. We have to supplement it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, one of the things about gold
that's I mean, you mentioned that it gets dirty and stuff,
but it's also and this is something that I suppose
needs recognition. It's a it's a conductor and as far
as it conductor, is.
Speaker 2: A and said it's it's very very efficient.
Speaker 4: It's not super conduct super conducted that copper, but it's
an incredibly good conductor.
Speaker 3: It is definitely one of the best. It is in
like most of your your computers, exactly most of your electronics,
you'll find some you know, some scrap of gold. I mean,
I'm talking milligrams, but you know, still because it is
such a a good conductor indeed.
Speaker 4: Which is again it does that lend some kind of
credibility to why it's around so much of these vast
spaces that are linked with you know, that's that that
side of that are ethos on ets and aliens and
other dimensions and these hot spots, these portals there seems
to be gold and you know things what's the word
I'm looking for where they leave like it's not like
a like a not like a gift, but it's like
a homage in homage to whoever these the sky people,
whoever are responsible for sure this technology.
Speaker 2: His offerings offerings to the gods, as.
Speaker 3: It were, the gods are, I mean, they're they're different
in in my opinion, I don't like the notion that no,
that's just maybe been word no, But I get it,
you know, offerings. Yeah, and a lot of a lot
of statues of just these these weird beings but all
you know, holding some sort of a hand bag or
carry on a thing. You know, a lot of engravings
in South America, you know, in the Mayan temples, of
people who look like they're you know, sitting in some
sort of a vehicle pointed upwards, you know, maybe suggesting
that they are going there and you know, don't come
with you, Like, oh no, you know, that's just it
was easier that way, No, because they're like there's a
lot of things that's like going sideways as well. It's
very intentionally done like that. It's another thing that I
very much just like, oh, you know, they just they
didn't know what they were doing.
Speaker 2: They did, Yes, they did, Yes, they did.
Speaker 3: Yes, they absolutely fucking did. You know, even those like
so many thousands of years ago, they knew what they
were doing, those cave drawings, cave paintings, they knew what
they were painting. They were painting things that they saw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is brings up an interesting point. And
if somebody is sitting there and thinking skeptically about it all,
let me ask you this and let me put this
to you. Why on every continent across our globe, and
this is including places like Doggerland as well and underwater,
you know, places we've lost over the years of the millennia.
Why across the globe are their civilizations that have never, ever,
never would have come into contact with each other. Why
do they all depict the same things on the walls
of their buildings, of their temples. Why are they all
building pyramids? Why are they you know, essentially tipping the
pyramids with precious metals and various other things. And you know,
why are people coming down from chariots of fire from
the sky in depictions within their paintings. And this is
going all the way back to you know, Aboriginal caves.
This is pre pyramids. You know, we're talking to hunter
gatherers here. They all paint the same things. Why these people?
If I don't know you, you know you live in
you live in the Netherlands.
Speaker 2: I live in England.
Speaker 4: If you paint a picture and I paint the same picture,
and you show me that picture, I show you that picture.
We never spoke to each other before. Surely that's gonna
raise questions. I don't understand why people are asking these questions,
who's answering them?
Speaker 3: That would mean that we have you know, clearly seen
the same thing exactly, clearly seen or experience exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's the point.
Speaker 4: You cannot coungure something up from your imagination that is
exactly the same as what somebody else has done thousands
of miles away, when you'd never come into existence with them,
you'd never come into contact.
Speaker 2: How it can't happen.
Speaker 3: Like in our modern age. Sure, you know, two people
can have the same ideas, you know, that's why we
like now have things like trademark and copyright and all
of that, you know, for original ideas, for as far
as those are left. But yeah, like we are talking
thousands of years ago, people didn't just you know, catch
a plane and a couple hours later you're in an
entirely different continent. Even if they could travel, it was
by boat or land bridge and would take them weeks
months perhaps, you know. Yeah, just because like Doggerlands was
a thing and you know formed a land bridge between
you know, the UK and the Netherlands. Yeah, people most
certainly have crossed over, and yeah, stories would have been told,
but you know it's still it's quite a trip, you know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but this is just a European lang bridge.
When you talk about Geezer too, you know, so something
like that, we're talking an expedition back then, if you
was to take that journey on I mean primitive boats, horses, Yeah,
we're talking but maybe years, you know, maybe years.
Speaker 3: To get primitive boats is definitely an option. I mean,
there's there's evidence found that as far back as the
Neanderthals that they used boats, but I mean they were
based be very well elaborate haul out out trees.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know, one of the questions you've
got to ask yourself is worthy.
Speaker 3: But it would take them head a long you know,
months probably even assuming they survived exactly the high.
Speaker 2: Seas exactly that.
Speaker 4: And you know, we're not talking about a nip across
the Mediterranean here or the Channel, you know, like the
great empires of the world that we know, the Roman Empires,
the British Empires. Yeah, we're not talking about kilometers between
Spain and exactly. We're talking about the entirety of the
Atlantic Ocean. Now at the time, that'd have been unfathomable.
You know, we're talking vikings are the first people from
Europe to really locate North America and Newfoundland in Canada,
as we've already discussed anyway, but.
Speaker 2: They were way ahead of the game.
Speaker 4: You go, yeah, further back than that to the Pyramid
Times in three thousand and four thousand years and plus
you know, they're way before the Vikings, and they were
at the pinnacle of technology as far as boat travel
was concerned. And they just about did it, and nobody
else did it for hundreds of years after them.
Speaker 2: By the way, So how are you telling me that.
Speaker 4: People are building the same things in South America as
they are in Egypt? How with that lack of accessibility
to each other civilizations.
Speaker 3: Often on the like the same line as well, Like if.
Speaker 2: You were to there's another thing exactly.
Speaker 3: Like we know, you know, the lay lines. You know,
if you draw circles around the earth, you know those
are I mean with maps, the lines that we know,
but you know, the lay lines there basically are our
planets veins. There are our planets neural connections, and they
are most of the larger, most important. You know, buildings
and sites seem to have been built on places where
a lot of those those lines come together.
Speaker 4: So and let me tell you something whilst you're on
that point, and this is to do with the recent
discovery and the pyramids. By the way, this is a
Chinese discovery. So what you just said there, you talked
about the specific points on Earth where these pyramids are
built and erected. It's not an accident that they've been
put up there and positioned in the same way and
pointing at the same things. Now, what the Chinese discovered,
and this is groundbreaking, This is very recently, at the
same time as the underground structures. So they used their
advanced lad radar system, which is what we've seen, you know,
detecting the structures underground. And what they've found is, and
this is from a distance of five thousand miles away.
Speaker 2: By the way, there's plasma bubbles also.
Speaker 4: Known as what they call equatorial plasma bubbles so epbs,
and the hot pockets of gas that form at low
latitudes and can interfere with GPS signals and satellite communications.
Now they found one of these bubbles over the pyramid
of Gezer. Why is that a plasma bubble? Yeah, and
you can I mean you can put it up on
the screen and you can just find it but you
can see the scan, the lead scan from Chinese authorities,
and they show you and there's a there's a heat map,
and there's a plasma. There's plasma bubbles above the pyramids
in Gizer. Now when you talked about what you said before,
the geographical positioning of these things, is that a coincidence
or did somebody know something? Is there a science here
that we don't know about today that is lost?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: But the thing is with the pyramids, you know, like
what to us are the you know, ancient Egyptians. The
pyramids were already ancient to them, Like the ancient Egyptians
already you know, had forgotten or had no idea who
built the pyramids. So it's it's you know, fun fact
that I often like to mention, just you know, to
you get an idea of the timelines. Cleopatra, you know,
the Cleopatra that we know from pop culture was married
to the Roman general. I mean, there have been multiple Cleopatras,
but you know, take her in the grand scheme of things,
in the Grand scheme of time timelines, she lived closer
to the development of the iPhone than the building of
the Great Pyramids.
Speaker 2: It's incredible when you say like that.
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, when you're thinking of it.
I mean I said that to my parents a while ago,
and my dad was like, no way, you know, and
he started looking it up and he was like, oh shit, yeah.
And you know, by a few hundred years even not
just a few decades, but like a few hundred years,
you know, multiple generations have have gone back already, and
they you know, forgot who built the pyramids and what
for and what they what did they look like? The
ancient Egyptians had archaeologists to, you know, do research into
ancient Egypt's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you say it like that, closer to the
iPhone than the building of the Pyramids puts it into
perspective quite well, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I've just been looking into this.
Speaker 4: Basically, I asked, thank God for ai As at all,
why was the plasma above the pyramids. It's interesting because
the answer is that it's given me. There's far really
for this. I mean the speculative ideas as well, obviously,
but there's there's four main theories that this thing's thrown
at me. And this is stuff that they wouldn't have
known then, and they wouldn't have had any information on.
So the first one is geographical geological anomalies. So this is,
you know, an explanation for the plasma. This is what
the first one, the pyramids unique geological location situated near
the night rivet and on a plateau might contribute to
the formulation of plasma bubbles. The underlying geology could be
generating unusual electromagnetic or telleric currents influencing the ionsphere above. Again,
that's something that they wouldn't know in the building. They
wouldn't have any idea of that, surely, unless there are
techniques that have been lost that we don't know about.
Speaker 3: Going by the notion that you know, ancient people were primitive,
I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: No, definitely not.
Speaker 2: I don't think they've been primitive for a long long time.
That's what I mean. I mean, it's.
Speaker 3: Because even that first answer, like so many things have
to come together in just the right maths, just the
right time, in just the right way for for that
to to form. I mean, I suck at math, but
I can you know it's.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing is what we need really is
the opinion of somebody who's a top rank engineer a
top ranked mathematician just to say, is you know the
possibility of this, let's talk turkey for a second. How
realistic is this? Do you know what I mean to
do this? I mean to get those exact figures. You know,
there's ancient construction techniques, is the second theory. But again,
why would you know unless we've lost that theory that
there's the theologies on it. So some research suggests that
the pyramids ancient construction techniques involving precise stone placement and alignment,
might be creating a unique energetic signature and this signature
could be interacting with the Earth's electromagnetic field, producing plasma bules.
That's the second theory. That's wild as well, that's lazy.
Speaker 3: But then still, you know they had to know how
to place it in you know, that specific forum, like
down to the millimeter that's my point, and on that
specific place. And then you know, they like very first
of all, had to know where those lay lines are,
where those you know, those hot spots are.
Speaker 4: But I'm not intelligent enough to understand this now, you know,
and we're talking about back in the day where people
you know, it wasn't there wasn't no curriculum. Not everybody
went to school. It wasn't then done the thing at
the time, So how.
Speaker 3: Did they know this? People couldn't even read or write,
you know, that was that was saved for the the
very upper echelons. And you know even you know, even
more the the priest class. Like it was pretty much
saved for the priest class to you know, learn to
to read and write. So you know, they were also
the the administrators of.
Speaker 4: Moon times, well monks to COVID that Catholicism in Christianity
as well as the monks took onme that mantle.
Speaker 2: They were the educated.
Speaker 3: Still, you know, kind of the kind of the priest class,
if you will, just you know, taking it into a
broad their spectrum. Yeah, you know, they were tasked with,
you know, writing the Bible and so I mean, first
of all, you have to know how to how to read,
to you know, interpret the texts and then translate them
in other languages. And then also you know, have to
know how to write, because you're gonna have to write
it down, especially you know, way before the print printing press,
everything was done by hand. But still those were the
monks tho was, those were the religious people that was
the priest class a very you know, a very small
class of people, you know, one percent maybe knew how
to to read and write. Your average average citizen, your
average farmer who worked on the land from son up
to sundown, Why would he have to know how to
read and write? Like he just I mean, yeah, he
can read. He can read nature, he can read the
signs in the air. He can you know, see well,
basic pattern recognition. Really, that's all he needs for his job.
He's a farmer. Why would he, you know, have to
learn or have to know how to.
Speaker 2: Relate exactly, you know.
Speaker 4: And the point that you've just made it is again
it lends more deep thought to the to the topic
of if.
Speaker 2: There was something you know, very advanced happening.
Speaker 4: But whatever, whatever the techniques were that they were using
to ship ship, shift and move and maneuver these giant
stones into positions, howe who had the information on how
to do it?
Speaker 2: How did they teach.
Speaker 4: The you know, the populace of people who were building
these things how to do it as well if they
couldn't read and write, and where did that information go?
Speaker 2: That's the question.
Speaker 4: Those are the questions that need answering because we don't
know how they did it.
Speaker 3: Now, where did that information come from? How did they
know exactly?
Speaker 4: And you know, it all lends to the idea that
there is something has happened that is not happen and
has not happened now is not happening now?
Speaker 2: Are we are kept in the dark? I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 4: And this is the point of the whole point of
this podcast is that the more people that talk about
these things and dig into it and unearthed things and
should bounce off ideas off each other, the more we
understand the situation, the more dots we can connect, and
the more we put this out there publicly, the more
pressure that puts potentially on people that do know that
are concealed in this information, and the louder the voice,
you know, the only it's only going to do good.
As in, let's get this information out there. Let's see
who's holding the secrets.
Speaker 2: I want to know.
Speaker 4: This isn't it, this is This is the problem I've
got with all of this, and this is ET's past,
present future, is that this is not for the men
in suits. This is for humankind. Everybody deserves this information.
They cannot dictate to us what we can or do
and do not know, or will or won't want to understand.
That is for us as individuals to interpret. And if
you take the suit off the president in the United
States body, and you take the clothes off my back,
we're still men. We're exactly the same. So what makes
him better than me? As far as custodian information, you.
Speaker 3: Know, he's still you know, gets out of bad one
leg at a time.
Speaker 2: We all deserve to know. This is information for us.
Speaker 3: Promllennia, you imagine getting as smooch from Donald Trump, no thanks.
Speaker 2: Or many the other way around.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, I mean luckily he's rich.
Speaker 2: Probably not living a bad life, is he really?
Speaker 3: No? And I mean neither is she. You know, if
your husband's Donald Trumps, well he is filthy, fucking rich
and now he's the president of the United States. So
you know there's a good reason for her to stay
with him. And you know he's got good good.
Speaker 2: He's doing well.
Speaker 4: But you know, the point is is that this is
information for the world. It's not for certain group of
demographic of people in suits, isn't. So the look, the
quicker this disclosure thing could come around, I think the
better there's two ways it can go. I think the
disclosure it's either going to be an incredible thing and
the whole trajectory of human the journey that we're on
as the species changes for the better, and potentially it
could you know, turn the page on a big way.
This isn't a small progression. We could go essentially from
where we are now to interstellar beings really within a
very short period.
Speaker 3: Of time, being on the Kardashchef scale.
Speaker 4: Or it goes horribly wrong and we end up gone,
you know, extinct essentially through some kind of nuclear war
or some cataclysmic event that we've caused. That's say, the
two ways it goes. And it's quite scary when you
think about it, and I try not to too much.
I just hope that he goes the right way and
the people who got the lot the most to lose,
the greed, the elite class that have been concealing this
and you know, using monopolizing it. Essentially, they're going to
go down swinging whatever that. Whatever way that is is
not going to be pretty, but it's got to happen.
That's the only way it happens. Somebody's got to be
held to account. For keeping this information from us. And
when it does come out, I think, I say, they'll
go down swinging in a big way.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there is this this quote which has
been attributed to a couple of people. It is, you know,
very much paraphrasing, but you know it still stands as
I just I do not know with what weapons world
War III will be fought, but world War four will
be fought with sticks and stones.
Speaker 2: Makes sense? And you're right if.
Speaker 3: We're going down the the horrible way, if you will,
that will be our reality. That will, you know, be
the research back to back through the Stone Age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really just touching on it.
Speaker 4: I mean again, I think we've been we've been going
on for a while, and I think maybe there is
another podcast in this talking about modern times because we
have we've done exactly the opposite of what we said
we were going to do. We started right back at
the very beginning and we sort of patrolled through from there.
So maybe next time we can talk about the modern stuff.
Speaker 3: But there is so much to talk about. There are
so many rabbit holes that you can connect to it,
you know, free energy or the there are whole things
we can we can say about that.
Speaker 2: But it all deserves to be spoken.
Speaker 3: To philosophical societies and their idea of aliens or interdimensionals.
You know. That's that's you know, there are multiple.
Speaker 4: Podcasts absolutely and the point to just that, and I
would say that to the viewers as well. By the way,
is if you've come on here and you might you
know this has a potentially floated your boat. Let me
tell you now that there is this topic is so
big and takes so much unpacking and as you've just
said there quite rightly there you could spend an entire
day on just free energy, you know, on just certain
things within this to unpack it all.
Speaker 2: This is going to take time, it is, and it
might be slap dash, and there's a reason for that.
This isn't structured.
Speaker 4: What you're what we're saying, or the information that we're
giving you isn't findable. It's not in archives. It's it's
not in a way that's structured in which that we
can regurgitate that information to you.
Speaker 3: It isn't.
Speaker 4: So we are having to unpack this thing ourselves and
try and give you that information systematically. That doesn't blow
your mind, if that makes sense. And I think we're
trying and there's a lot of people in the world
trying to do it. There's a lot of song sheets
that people seem to be singing off that are different
from one another. But again, it's all about connecting the dots.
And what I would say to anybody listening and watching
this is, you know, don't judge one podcast or don't
judge one person's information. Take the information, put it away somewhere,
and then find some more information and connect the dots,
find the bits that are relevant and start piecing together
the big puzzle. You know, you can see it yourself,
and it doesn't take long for it to start emerging,
this picture. And the more you see it, the more
you connect, you know. And that's what we're going to
do on this podcast. We're going to unpack this thing
systematically over time. You know, it'll be fun, enjoyable, I
think put.
Speaker 3: In the years probably Like, there is so much that
we can talk.
Speaker 4: About, absolutely absolutely, and you know, we've got the option
for guests as well. We can get the subject matter
experts on this easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I have a like on my own show,
I have a whole freaking range of guests that I
could you know, possibly contact even on this very topic.
Absolutely who to contact about this. It was a strange,
strange show idea that I did with her. I still
don't know what to what to think of it or
what to make of it. But you know is right
up up, you know, our alley of you know, at
least this this episode. And you know, even if you
take just one thing of what we just mentioned, you know,
out of what like a hundreds of hundreds of things
that we mentioned, you know, just take one thing of
it go from there, you know, and we're we're not
asking you to to believe us. You know, this is
years and years and years of like our own experience
of you know, finding different sources, you know, reading different
books and articles and magazines, watching different movies, watching different
people tell stories or you know, tell the same story
but in very different ways with other details, or you know.
There there's a quote that I like to use, especially
on you know, on my own show and shows that
are more spiritual pagan the lines. The only thing I
know is that I know nothing, and I believe that
is I believe that's Socrates. Socrates are played though one
of those and it's true. I don't know, I don't
know anything, you know, I know, I mean if it's
if it's one percent of one percent, then that is
already a.
Speaker 2: Hell of a yeah.
Speaker 3: And I'm thirty three years old. I'm learning every damn
day and I'm unlearning every day.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and that's the key times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like so many times, the ideas that I had,
notions that I had about things, I'll talk to someone
else who has a you know, a different point of
view on those things, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Oh, sometimes that's quite saddening though, Right.
Speaker 4: I've found a few of my thoughts on certain topics
that have been thrown clear out of the window, and
I found it quite upsetting because I thought it's so great,
you know, it sounds sounds like I'm onto something, and
then you you hear something, we'll shoot that out of
this guy, and it can be upsetting. But you know,
one thing I will say is on a reassurance level
for the people are watching on is that don't you
know it's okay to find this stuff unbelievable. It's fine
to think that's unbelievable because it is unbelievable. And that's
all right. So if you are watching you think, oh
my god, this is it can't be that.
Speaker 2: We've all been there. We've all been there. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's crazy just to say some of the things out aloud,
what we talk about, it's nuts. You know, you're the
throne is in a padded room a few years ago
for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's more.
Speaker 4: There's so much evidence, and I don't think people understand
that this isn't just just nonsense. We're just spouting into
the ether. There is so much evidence for this stuff.
But just have to knowwhere to look and you know
what it says, and interpret the information the way that
it needs to be interpreted.
Speaker 2: But this is a very good at our start.
Speaker 4: I'll end my piece by starting by ending it the
way that I began is that this is very real.
Speaker 2: This is very very real.
Speaker 4: This topic, this subject, and it needs speaking about and
it needs people to be open minded. We've lost something
over the decades as a race, as a species, We've
become so skeptical about everything. And you know, a lot
of that's down to the establishment, the lies that have
been told, the deceit that we've all had to live through.
Speaker 2: You just don't know who to believe anymore.
Speaker 4: But the one thing that you can believe in is
people elected officials and government officials and unelected officials. You
don't know, with agendas and narratives, you don't know. But
what you can believe in is people. There are people
on earth, good people who just genuinely want to share information.
I just want to know what's going on. And you
can believe in us. You can believe in each other,
you know, just listen and learn, and that first for knowledge,
I think it's a human thing, you know. I'm very
thirsty for knowledge recently. I don't know whether it's just
because I'm getting old and pushing on into my thirties
now at the back end of the thirties, by the way,
but my thirst for knowledge in recent years has just
grown exponentially.
Speaker 2: I have to learn.
Speaker 4: I have to know things and that stuff that I've
never done before in my life, really, so I just
plowed through it, you know, them, the best I can.
But recently I have to learn. I just have to
know things, you know. I could never stop learning now,
and it's a great thing. It's liberated me almost.
Speaker 3: And the scary thing is the more you find out
you know certain things, the more you find out how
much you.
Speaker 2: Don't know, and you're right, I think you.
Speaker 3: Know something, and then you you know, you kind of
go on about it, you go a little bit, a
little bit deeper into it, and you're like, I don't
know anything about this. I thought I knew, but you know,
my whole world is shattered.
Speaker 4: But while that can be a scary thing for me,
I've been through the fear you know, I've been through
that fear of the situation. We are insignificant essentially, you know,
it's beings, and that is quite scary. But in the
same breath, it was so special and were so unique,
and we're far from fragile, but you know, in another
sense of the word, we're incredibly flagile. But we're an
incredible species.
Speaker 3: And we are very complicated, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: And if somebody has design or there is some kind
of design at play, and as we mentioned earlier, genetic manipulation,
it's a beautiful accident what's happened, because there's nobody that
could have predicted to it. You know, essentially, big bags
of meat walking around on the planet, digging things up
for another species, and suddenly here we are. You know,
we're an incredible species, we really are, and we don't
give ourselves and credit for it. And the way that
we're living in the world right now is not the
way that we were supposed to be living. And I
think and as we moved through and unpack some of
this stuff, I think that's why a lot of ET's
are here because they recognize that as well. You know,
there is a level of intelligence where you move beyond
you know, the feelings that we feel on a day
to day basis. There is an evolution beyond that where
you are essentially just a being working in complete symbiosis
with the universe. You're not fighting it, you're not resistant,
you are being, You're part of it.
Speaker 2: You just you know, you're part of the universe. You
just you know, And we're not.
Speaker 4: We seem to be this this crazy species that fight
tooth and nail against the against everything, resist everything, we
destroy our planet, we just every turn. We just seem
to be just chaos. But we don't need to be
living that way. It's the establishment and the way that
it's been forced upon us civilization. It bothers me when
I hear things like, oh, we could go to Mars tomorrow,
but we can't afford it says who we're all on
the same rock. We've all got the same resources. If
you take away currency government tomorrow and just say well,
let's build that, and let's there's nothing stopping us except ourselves.
It's where we're our biggest barrier. It's not you know,
the atmosphere, it's not the next universe, it's not speed
and distance between star systems.
Speaker 2: It's us.
Speaker 4: We're the barrier and the moment. You know, what we
need to do is a race. Is get this information
out there, learn, get disclosure gone, and really just take
a step as a race.
Speaker 3: Like that's that's what I spoke about in the the
solo episode that I did for for Across the Ponds,
which is uploaded and you can find it in the
in the episode list. You know, I spoke about, you know,
the divide between human beings and like how how ancient
that is. But also we have so much in common
and there is strength in numbers. So instead of you know,
just thinking about me, me, me, me me, you know,
let's think about let's let's start to think about others again.
You know, we were very very good at that at
some points, and we still are. You know, I am
a I am a pagan, you know, I see a
lot of pagan communities. I see a lot of religious
communities who you know, really take care of each other.
But it doesn't have to come from religion, just it
has to just come from from a good place.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: And I think inherently as a species, we are a
good specy you know. Yeah, we've got the need inners
and the want usually I mean ninety nine percent of
the time to do the right thing and do a
good thing instinctively, because you know, we've got these lovely
things called hormones and endolphins are released when we.
Speaker 2: Do good for other people, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's the way we're set up to help and
do good for one another. That's why our body rewards
us by releasing those hormones when we do good things. Yeah,
And for some reason, we've it's been habit into us
through through establishment after establishment that we're all scrabbling as
individuals up the wall to get.
Speaker 2: You know, to get something whatever that be, whether it
be wealth.
Speaker 3: The craps in the bucket. As soon as as one,
you know, looks like it's gonna make it out, the
rest of us just pulls us back. It's like the
fuck you are, We're not you're.
Speaker 4: Not, But I do think things are changing from something.
You know, I've mentioned it throughout the video.
Speaker 2: Rapidly, yeah, very quick.
Speaker 4: By the way, there is a shift I believe happening,
and a major shift.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Weird thing is there's been world wars, canage, chaos, millions dead,
but I don't think anything's really had the impact on
the way that the world is moving now as it
is now, do you know what I mean? The world's
changing crazily fast and there's no world war. Yeah, there's
there's conflict, but there's no world war that's pushing the
change like in recent times.
Speaker 3: No physical you know, bombs and guns exactly.
Speaker 4: The traditional sense of the words is almost like a
spiritual evolution happening across the world, I suppose.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: People just don't want to be led by establishments anymore,
people in suits. I think it's almost like an anti
authoritarian type evolution that's happening. I think we're looking for
idols and inspiration as opposed to leaders, if that makes sense,
do you know what I mean? People that lead from
the front and do good things seem to be what
we're interested in as opposed to somebody with a list
of credentials as long as my arm I don't think
anybody cares about that, which we take people more on
their action and based on their actions as opposed to words. Nowadays,
I think I think we're moving in a very good direction,
scary direction, because there seems to be a lot of resistance.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's kind of like a video game,
right it is. You know, if it's if the scary
music starts playing and there are you know, you're you know,
you're going into the right direction. You just got to
go through. You know, at a certain point, the scary
music will stop, lovely music is going to play again,
and you've progressed to you know, the next level or
the next stage, and you know you're that you're that
much much closer to the end goal theory, you can
you can apply it to a lot of things, and yeah,
you know you can apply it to life. You just
got to get through the rough bits. And we're in an.
Speaker 2: Interesting transitional period for sure. But you know, I think
I've said it before.
Speaker 4: I think by the end of twenty twenty seven, the
full disclosure, I know we've we've said that. Oh it's
already been disclosed. I know, but on an official scale.
I mean, I'm not talking about a whistleblow. I'm talking
about a dignitary somebody within with an authority, you know,
taking that and officially stating it that the area.
Speaker 2: And they've been here a long time and you know
whatever else.
Speaker 4: I think whatever that level of disclosure, it might be
a soft disclosure with the pyramids, as I mentioned, it
might be somebody behind electing just telling us. But I
feel like more questions will come from and that's doubt it.
Speaker 3: Let's do that for for episode two, kind of you know,
philosophizing if you will, on how that disclosure would would
look like. I think that's that's a that's a fun.
Speaker 4: Definitely, especially because you know you can build a case. Yeah, absolutely,
it's a good I think it's a good topic to
discuss the next month.
Speaker 2: For sure. It's it's already happening now.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, with this drone situation again, we'll
talk about this. I don't want to get too hung up,
but it's been a good it's been a good episode.
I think we've really unpacked a lot of stuff on
the old days, and I hope we've set the scene
for anybody who is watching maybe aroused a little bit suspicion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, suspicion. Interest. Just you know, as long as we
as long as we make you feel something that's right
we have, then we have accomplished our goal.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're not talking about turning people into avid
believers now.
Speaker 2: But you know, this is a progressive journey.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: It's curiosity, and that's what it's another beautiful trait of
human beings.
Speaker 3: We're just pointing out things. We're just speaking from experience,
telling you about the things that that we have discovered,
about the things that we have read, that we have seen,
that we have heard, that we have felt, that we
have sensed. Whether you believe us or not, that is
up to you. We can we can make you believe
as long as we you know, as long as we
make you think. Yeah, as long as we make you feel.
Speaker 2: And I said it to Andy the other day.
Speaker 4: Andy, by the way, the other guy who's supposed to
be on here, I hope he's been recovered.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 4: If he is when he watched this, I hope he's
not still sat at the side of the road in
his car.
Speaker 2: But as we said, you know, the other day.
Speaker 4: There's going to be two kinds of people when this
information is released officially. There's going to be the people
who knew about it, and there's going to be the
people who had know about it, had no idea, oblivious, ignorant, essentially,
and the world will be blown apart. So you've got
to make a decision now, when you're listening to things
like this and other people's podcasts, you make that decision
because when it comes out, and it will and it
is coming out, and there's note you can do about
that to stop it, disclosure is coming.
Speaker 2: Where are you going to be positioned. You're either going to.
Speaker 4: Be one of the people who has knowledge and other
people will come to for guidance, or you're going to.
Speaker 2: Be one of those scrambling up the.
Speaker 4: World trying to get information, panicking. I know which one
I'm going to be. I know which one you're certainly
going to be, and Andy as well, when he gets
back on I know which one he's going to be.
But that's a decision you've got to make. And as
you quite rightly pointed out, all we're doing is showing
you the information and do with it what you will.
Speaker 3: Yes, and with all that said, we thank you all
very much for joining us on this. This is rather
interesting episode of Across the Pond. I have to get
used to saying across the Pond, like I'm so used
to calling out my own show. But yeah, this has
been there's been great, this has been good. There's been
good talk man for show hour and a half.
Speaker 2: Not bad.
Speaker 3: I mean, I still gotta do some some basic kind
of thing of course. So yeah, if you liked any
of what you heard, first of all, please please take
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I know we're on I know at least we're on TikTok.
Speaker 2: And we will be on YouTube as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if eventually we will be on YouTube as well.
It is the audio platforms now predominantly, and Facebook and
TikTok and probably a couple other places.
Speaker 2: But everywhere, and we're going to be everywhere.
Speaker 3: We will be everywhere. We will make sure that we
are everywhere, and you know, until we are, please help
us make sure that we are by also sharing this episode,
sharing the podcast with everyone, not just with the people
you think will like it. Everyone. Everyone needs to hear.
This is information that you know, a lot of it
is publicly known, is publicly available for everyone. So let's
make this for everyone, and let's let's help everyone. So
thank you all. We will see you next time. This
has been Stein, Fox and Liam, two co hosts of
Across the Pond, and we will see you all. We
will speak to you all next time. Bye.
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