WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.799 Welcome to Truth Time with doctor Cornell West and Nina Turner. 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:06.919 Per usual, we kind of all joy and I mean 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:10.400 all joy, and you are here with us on this 4 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:14.119 a day. Today is our teaching, the birthday day where 5 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:18.280 we go deep about events or personalities that have shaped, impacted, 6 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:22.160 shook up our world. And today we're talking about none 7 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:26.679 other than A Jack A. Johnson now john author. Johnson 8 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:30.839 was born on March thirty first, eighteen seventy eight, and 9 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:35.920 he passed away on June tenth, nineteen forty six. He 10 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:41.159 was nicknamed the Galveston Giant. He was an American boxer 11 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:45.479 and African American boxer to be specific, who was fighting 12 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:49.320 at the height of Jim Crow. 13 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:50.920 Who doc he really? 14 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:52.799 I mean, he messed up the minds of a whole 15 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:56.679 bunch of white folks during that Jim Crow era and 16 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:59.240 even beyond. I think even today he would be among 17 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.840 some of the great twentieth and twenty first century of boxers. 18 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:06.760 If he were alive today, he would have given many 19 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:10.879 of them a run for his a run for their money. 20 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:15.560 So he really became known as the first black man 21 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.840 to be a heavyweight champion, to really capture the imagination 22 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:24.519 more importantly of black people who really saw the battles 23 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:28.879 that he was fighting and the matches that he won 24 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:35.599 as really the black community overall, winning winning against Jim Crow, 25 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:38.920 winning against hatred, winning against bigotry, and to be honestly, 26 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:42.599 you know, just winning against white supremacy. So black people 27 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:47.120 really internalized Jack Johnson in a way that I don't 28 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:50.599 think many understand. He was not just a boxer in 29 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:53.799 a ring. He was boxing for the heart, to soul, 30 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.760 the respect, you know, giving black people something to really 31 00:01:57.760 --> 00:01:59.680 be proud of in a way to say, we're sticking 32 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:00.359 it to the man. 33 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.079 Quite honestly, no, that's very, very real that. 34 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:10.599 Jack Johnson was one of the freest black men in 35 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:15.439 the shit of the country. And that freedom when hand 36 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:19.800 in hand with a dignity and respect that he was 37 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:23.560 fighting for not just on behalf of himself, but on 38 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:30.199 behalf of a black folk who terrorized and traumatized. And 39 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:34.520 so when he was knocking white brothers out, that was 40 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:39.800 a triumph of black dignity and black respect in a 41 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:43.960 context because you think of Jim Crow America. The only 42 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:49.400 space in America where black people were treated fairly, it 43 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:50.520 was the boxing ring. 44 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:54.439 But you got one set of rules, you got one referee. 45 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.240 Everybody can see it because it is a national and 46 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:04.960 internet national spectacle. So we finally have an opportunity for 47 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:10.000 what tavers of fundamental fairness. And let's see who wins. 48 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:14.120 And he knocks out the first Jeffries, then he knocks 49 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.280 out his brother, Jefferes, and when he knocks out the 50 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:21.039 old man Jefferies. In July fourth, nineteen ten, as you know, 51 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:25.680 ten black people were killed that night. They were riots 52 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:30.080 of the country of white folk just attacking black folk 53 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.960 because they could take the fact that a black man 54 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:36.400 had eaten a white man. 55 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:37.520 That's how deep and. 56 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:42.800 Sick the white supremacy was then and continues to be 57 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:48.680 in various ways. Now, Jack Johnson becomes symbol as well 58 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:56.680 as literal figure of dignity, respect and freedom and triumph 59 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:01.000 for black folk. And just like then and now, black 60 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:10.000 foolk hungry for dignity, hungry for respect, hungry for freedom. 61 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:14.520 Yeah, that'sdeed got the hungry for respect, hungry for dignity, 62 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.079 and hungry for freedom. So let us I want to 63 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:22.000 rest a little bit on the race riots. We know 64 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:26.360 that the bloody or the red summer, red summer of 65 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:29.680 nineteen nineteen or race riots broke out all over the 66 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.040 country at the hands of white people just randomly attacking 67 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:33.800 black people. 68 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.120 I mean, it was like a disease. It was almost 69 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:39.439 like the spreading of the flu or covid or something like. 70 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:40.279 It was a plague. 71 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:42.240 You know that that and. 72 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.680 This country does not reckon We have enough that that is. 73 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:52.639 That's domestic terrorism for you. I mean that that stuff 74 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.319 is real. We don't even have to go We should 75 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.920 always reference child of Slavery always. I really personally don't 76 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:00.839 care what anybody has to say it about it. You know, 77 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:06.079 I agree with the fact that you know, James Baldwin 78 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:08.199 once said, know from whence you came? If you know 79 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.399 from whence you can it's virtually nowhere that you cannot go. 80 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:13.120 And you can't say you love the tree if you 81 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.560 hate the root. That is our reference point. It's not 82 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.800 the only reference point in the great magnificence of black people, 83 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:24.759 but it is the seminal reference point in terms of 84 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:29.319 our souljourn in the United States of America. Now we 85 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.319 want to go back to the continent, the motherland where 86 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.680 our ancestors hail from. That's a whole nother glorious story 87 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.920 which I believe allowed us to bear the burden and 88 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.639 the beauty of being black, because it is both of 89 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.560 those things. But make no mistake, white supremacy and just 90 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:51.399 the literal deep seated hatred for us generally speaking, is 91 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:54.800 attached to that white supremacy and just hatred for no reason. 92 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.399 So the race riot. So I bring up bread. 93 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.519 Summer in nineteen nineteen just to remind you people of that, 94 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.680 and then let's talk about this race riot, the Johnson 95 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.480 Jefferson Jeffries riot, which I'm sure a lot of people 96 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:10.160 don't know about, probably have never heard of. But as 97 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.160 you laid out, doctor, series of race riots that occurred 98 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:18.279 throughout the United States. The African American boxer, the Galveston 99 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:25.480 Giant knocked out, defeated James J. Jeffries and a boxing 100 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.319 match termed the fight of the century. They actually called 101 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:34.839 that fight the fight of the century. Wow, that's heavy 102 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.519 to put all that on one black man. 103 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:41.800 When we come forward, we will continue our teach in 104 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:42.720 that Thursday. 105 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.839 Today, doctor West and I are talking about the one 106 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:51.160 and only Jack Johnson, the first African American evyweight champion 107 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.720 of the world, who did his thing at the time 108 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.839 where wow, it was even more dangerous to do there 109 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.959 to do something that he did it. Oh when we 110 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:05.439 continue here with us today on this teaching Thursday, we 111 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.680 all know that on Thursdays, doctors and myself we go 112 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:12.600 really deep talking about a luminary of people who did 113 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.120 not liking themselves to be luminaries. Man, they ain't set 114 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:18.199 out to be luminaries, but baby, did they shake in 115 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:20.959 shape of the world. Or we talk about events, and 116 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.000 this gives us the opportunity. 117 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.480 With you to go a little deeper. 118 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.319 Today we are talking about the heavyweight champion Jack Johnson, 119 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:32.639 who fought back boxing matches during the height of Jim Krow. 120 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:36.199 He really set this country on fire. And so doctors, 121 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:38.959 we as we were now that we've come forward, we 122 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:45.079 were talking about those Johnson Jeffreys race riots and the 123 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:49.920 fact that this that riot, you know, it was set 124 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:54.720 off only because Johnson beat a white man fair and 125 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:59.360 square in a boxing match that had rules set up 126 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.040 and he beat him fair and square and the white 127 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:06.240 psyche could not take it. 128 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.959 And I'm just we wrestled with a lot on this show. 129 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.959 I'm wrestling with the fact that they got so upset 130 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:18.879 that they started rioting by being white people against black people, 131 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:21.480 because this black man fair and square. This wasn't no 132 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:25.560 street brawl, this was in a boxing ring and he 133 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.600 beat Jeffrey's fair and square, and that set white people off. 134 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:32.080 And not only did it set them off, they felt 135 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.200 as though, and they acted in this way, that they 136 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.240 had car Blanche to just randomly start just beating up 137 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:42.799 black people so that they felt a sense of entitlement, right, 138 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.159 that they're always supposed to be on top, that they're 139 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:47.720 always supposed to win, so much so that they go 140 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:50.000 out and stoke violence against black people. 141 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:55.200 That's exactly ray, that's exactly right. I mean the. 142 00:08:55.080 --> 00:09:01.279 Depth of the hatred rooted in a depth of insecurity. 143 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.200 I mean there's a story right here in New York, 144 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.679 right after the white right after the fight, where people 145 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:10.120 were looking at black folks, thinking, our hustle, you think 146 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:11.080 you're gonna be out. 147 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:13.559 Beyond your position? 148 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.840 Now now that black doubt. 149 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:19.519 Old brother Jeffreys. 150 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.120 And in a way I wouldn't even call it riot. 151 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.000 It was a massacre of black. 152 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:28.000 People, Yeah, be right down, that's really was. 153 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:33.159 And it was a massive one, and I mean fascinating 154 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:33.399 to me. 155 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:36.159 You know, I'm gonna r Lee of course, always viewed 156 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:41.679 himself as an extension of Jackson, and so did so 157 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:43.120 did Miles Davis. 158 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.720 You know my great album nineteen seventy one on Jack Johnson. 159 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:48.759 He said it's one of his greatest albums. 160 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.720 That he was a boxer too, but he always felt 161 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.799 so close to Jack Johnson. When I asked Prince who 162 00:09:54.840 --> 00:10:01.480 his grand American hero was, he said Jack Johnson. No, well, yeah, 163 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:06.320 he said Jack Johnson. This brother's in the most hate 164 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:10.480 the history of the country, and he's a free man. 165 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:13.679 He does what he wants to do. Of course, he 166 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.639 got in out of trouble in his personal life, you know, 167 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:18.919 messing with the white sisters. 168 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:20.200 And of course what did they do. 169 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:29.440 They criminalized him, to incarcerated him, to Levin, spent time 170 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:34.000 in Leavenworth for doing what well, for being a free man. 171 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:36.159 It was like it was unbelievable. 172 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:41.159 That level self confidence, that level of willingness to do 173 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:44.919 what one wants to do in light of one's conception 174 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:50.200 of oneself is something always had a deep appeal to 175 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.360 the Muhammad Ali's and princes and uh uh uh uh 176 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:57.159 and and and and other black men. 177 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:02.440 In fact, also Ralph Ellison, Ralph Ellison his hero. 178 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:05.759 Oh yeah, and his and his letters with with the 179 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:10.879 with the great u uh uh. What's the brother's name, 180 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:14.840 the American I can't even remember his name right now. 181 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:19.039 But but in their letters they talk about how Jack 182 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:20.120 Johnson was their hero. 183 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:26.000 Definitely, that's amazing. That yeah, that is something. 184 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.440 And to hear that Prince, I mean Prince and Jack 185 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:33.879 Johnson spoken of in the same voice that or breath, Wow, 186 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:36.919 that is amade. I don't know that little muggy is 187 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:38.960 gonna have everybody like saying. 188 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:45.320 What I'll be murray if anybody murray Ralph Ellison, that 189 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:47.840 Jack Johnson is one of the heroes in that in 190 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:49.440 the letters and. 191 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:52.840 Their letters and did you you know in your conversation 192 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.759 with the Purple One, did he did. 193 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:59.200 He go deeper about it or just kind of put 194 00:11:59.200 --> 00:11:59.759 it out there? 195 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:00.559 Oh? 196 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:03.799 No, Shoot, he talked about the books that he read. 197 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.440 He talked about the inspiration he felt. Anytime he was 198 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:10.039 down and out and felt as if he there was 199 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.679 no way that he could make it, he would go 200 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.679 back and read about Jack Dohnson and how it was 201 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:19.919 that his brother could sustain his sense of self in 202 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:24.279 the face of unbelievable attack and assault. 203 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:27.399 It's the freedom. And of course in some way, you know, 204 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.360 the black folk too were very hard on Jack Johnson once. 205 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:37.399 Yeah, then Booker T. Washington was one of his biggest critics, 206 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:38.840 most well known critics. 207 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:39.679 I believe. 208 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:41.759 I could. 209 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:46.799 I could imagine he looked much too much for Booker T. 210 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:53.720 More respectability. You know, I'm not gonna be spending time 211 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:57.840 out the club with all this swagger. And of course 212 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.799 he got his cigar and he got his his new 213 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:07.360 car every two weeks. And man, the sad thing is, 214 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.720 you know, even when he did get married to the 215 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.320 white sister, she committed suicide because it was too much pressure. 216 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:19.320 Her family turned, yeah, turned the owner. And he wasn't 217 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:24.440 acting right all the time either, but it was he 218 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:28.919 really had a heavy, heavy, heavy birden even though he 219 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:32.080 was making a lot, making the whole. 220 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.039 Yeah, I'm still to endure. 221 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:36.120 In the white box. 222 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:38.679 When he was down in Australia and beat Tommy Burns 223 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:42.120 the first time he became champion. Tommy Burns got thirty thousand, 224 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:47.919 he got five thousand. He's still making less money, but 225 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.519 it was making a lot of money for that average 226 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.000 person was making about eight hundred dollars a year. But 227 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:57.440 still he get five thousand, and the white cat ten 228 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:03.000 thirty thousand, and he's supposed to be satisfied and have 229 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.080 with his position, and he's. 230 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:10.720 The champ, right, So they paid Jack Johnson the champ, 231 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:13.840 the heavyweight champion of the world, of the United States, 232 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.799 of the world and the world. And he gets five thousand, 233 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:23.799 and then his white probalyague term loosely received thirty thousand. 234 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:27.759 I mean, doct that is a micro column of how 235 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:31.639 black people are treated in this society, continue to get 236 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.000 less compared to their white counterparts. That is happening today 237 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.200 in the twenty first century. Quite telling the pattern of 238 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.159 white supremacy. We can predict the pattern. It's the same 239 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:50.519 pattern decade after decade, century after century, year after year. 240 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:57.600 Is the same pattern. So Jack Johnson, so the white 241 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:00.320 community of that time. So he won the championship in 242 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:02.919 nineteen oh nine, I believe, I think I'm right about that. 243 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:06.200 But the early nineteen hundreds he wins his champion was 244 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.679 it was nineteen oh eight, was it nineteen oh eight? 245 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:11.440 Nineteen oh eight, he wins the championship, right. 246 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:17.720 I thought, okay, six nineteen oh eight, nineteen oh eight. 247 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.200 White people lose their mind, even though he's in the 248 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:21.679 boxing ring, fighting fair and square. 249 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:24.159 They lost their mind. So massacre and all that kind 250 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:24.960 of stuff. 251 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:27.399 Because Jeffries was considered what the Great White Hope or 252 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:28.039 something like that. 253 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:30.919 That's eight. 254 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:35.000 They convinced Jefferies to come out of retirement and not 255 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:39.600 yet Negro, to reaffirm their sense of white supremacy. He 256 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:45.000 goes back into training, gets into the ring July fourth, 257 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:50.039 nineteen ten, and this Great White Hope. And remember remember 258 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.519 the play, and I think they made a movie out 259 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.720 of it too. 260 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.879 They did. I thought it was called Yeah, Yes, was 261 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:02.159 Samuel Ellen that doc. I don't know why I see 262 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:04.639 Samuel Ol in my mind for that movie. 263 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:09.360 Don't remember. That's a good question. Jones was the main character, 264 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:11.679 well he played okay Johnson. 265 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:16.600 Okay, yeah, maybe I'm mixing up movies on that one. 266 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:21.440 But yeah, So the white society goes crazy and they 267 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:24.399 want to punish random black people and rain or terror 268 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.399 as you said. So Jack Johnson, being the free black 269 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:32.840 man that he was, decided that you know, hey, any 270 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:34.679 woman from any background. 271 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:36.879 That's true, that's true. 272 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.480 Willing and Abel, you know, I might rock that way. 273 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:47.360 And he didn't rock that way, committing the ultimate and 274 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:51.240 I mean the ultimate transgression against white men. 275 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:54.320 This is exactly. 276 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.080 That is still true today. 277 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:04.240 I want to recommend our audience reads a doctor Francis Crest. Uh. 278 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.640 Oh my god, welles and yes, thank you, DoD, Oh 279 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:09.319 my god. 280 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:11.319 The book the book. 281 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.880 Uh, I have lost the book, doc, but she wrote 282 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.839 a magnificent book and I'm gonna look it up about 283 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:24.599 the white psychology and uh and and and and and 284 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:30.599 and black maleness and how in the white man's psyche 285 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.720 he can never ever get over the attributes of black men. 286 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:38.079 And the audience know who I'm going for. So it's 287 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:40.559 always that fight. That is why when black men were 288 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:45.559 lynched by and large, they were castrated at the same time. 289 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:49.799 That is, and Francis quest well, then she welles ling, 290 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:57.920 she goes deep into the psychology of that that is 291 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:01.880 still very much in the white psyche to this very day. 292 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:06.039 So they go after Jack Johnson because he created the 293 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.519 ultimate sin was to be in relationship with a white woman. 294 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:14.839 Notwithstanding they can rape black women at will, they did 295 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:20.839 rape a black woman, particularly during enslavement. Black women were 296 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:25.839 always vulnerable, their daughters, their granddaughters, their nieces, always vulnerable. 297 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:27.519 We don't talk a lot. 298 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:31.599 About the sexual exploitation of black men. Black men were 299 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:36.279 sexually exploited too, because they had absolutely. 300 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.480 No control male or female or person. 301 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:45.319 Black persons had no control over their bodies whatsoever. So 302 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:52.400 you got the physical abuse, the raw physical abuse in 303 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:54.759 that you're working them hard and killing them off, working 304 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.480 them hard, killing them off, working them or killing them off. 305 00:18:57.559 --> 00:18:59.400 So you got that kind of physical you got that 306 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:03.720 physical you got the psychological abuse, and then you got 307 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:08.759 the sexual abuse black men and black women. And because 308 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:11.559 of the kind of male psyche of. 309 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:15.799 Not really talking about it in this country, we don't. 310 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.799 Talk about that a lot about how black men are violated. 311 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:22.559 They have been violated, they continue to be violated. They 312 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:28.720 were really violated during that time, black women especially, so 313 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:32.799 so I'm thinking, Doc, you know, is it that guilt 314 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:36.079 that drives them crazy. I mean, they put they put 315 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.200 white women on a pedestal, and they a lot of 316 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:43.000 the lynchings, A lot of excuses for the lynchions was 317 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.519 they made black men to be out to be stark, raving, 318 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:53.079 that sexual beast and I'm using exact words, and so 319 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:55.880 they violated the precious. 320 00:19:55.599 --> 00:20:01.759 Womanhood of white women. Meanwhile, it is white men. 321 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:06.680 Who were doing what they claimed that black men were doing, 322 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.519 the wonderful, truly magnificent. I'd have be well. Did all 323 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:14.200 our research on this, and most of the time it 324 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:18.720 had nothing to do with black men raping white women 325 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.759 and had everything to do with black men and black 326 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.920 people being successful and uppity and getting out of their station. 327 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.519 As to why they would lynched them. But they lynched 328 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:31.400 and castrated them. 329 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:33.319 Don oh, lord lord. 330 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.200 Almost every time they sold. 331 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:40.240 Their parts, they sold their parts, and the private parts 332 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:42.519 were the parts that they gained most money. 333 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:45.400 They profited most from that. 334 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.960 One the boys about Sam Holes when he's walking down 335 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:53.359 the street and they see Sam Holes's knuckles are being 336 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:57.720 told and does his research and he sees, of course 337 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:00.559 that the private parts are the parts that made the 338 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:04.079 most money of And it was a public spectacle. Over 339 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:07.440 fifteen thousand and sick folks were out there to watch 340 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:11.680 the lynching as they then cut up his body and 341 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.839 sold various parts of his body. And that kind of 342 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:19.799 thing was not abnormal. See we're talking about levels of 343 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:23.400 sickness here and levels of pathology. 344 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:24.839 The great E. 345 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:29.839 Franklin Fraser wrote an essay called white supremacy as Social 346 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.480 Pathology came out in nineteen twenty seven. They ran him 347 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.440 out of town. It was in Atlanta, Atlanta University. Came 348 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:39.799 out and they ran him out of town. This is 349 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:43.359 in an academic journal, and they lynching folk. And he 350 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.119 just calls it pathology and can tell the truth that 351 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:47.599 he's the one to get run. 352 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:48.440 Out of town. See, this is. 353 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:54.160 Part of the scope and breadth of the sickness and pathology. 354 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:57.240 And somebody got to tell about it. Somebody got to 355 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:00.359 be candid about it. Somebody got to be courageous enough 356 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.200 to say, this is beyond sickness, y'all. 357 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:07.359 And and this is probably some of the reasons. 358 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:10.000 I mean, we could fast forward to today, the twenty 359 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:12.160 first century real quick, because we go in and out 360 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.480 of history because we want people to understand the relevance. 361 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.720 If you want to understand why the criminal, the legal 362 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:22.240 system treats black people differently, all we got to do 363 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:24.759 is go back to the root. You know, all of 364 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:28.400 these things are not happening in isolation. And that's what 365 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:33.960 we need people to know. Is connected, all intricately connected, unfortunately, 366 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:38.680 So it is a pathology. It is a sickness. You know, 367 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.119 even when black people were being lynched I mean they 368 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:44.559 would bring out the whole community then and take pictures 369 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:46.920 and take the photograph. 370 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:49.480 They were posed with the bodies. They would even have 371 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:51.720 their babies out there, Doc, they have their little kids 372 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:56.000 out there. Oh pose. It was like a community gathering. 373 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:57.960 Oh yeah, the picture. 374 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.160 That's just you know, when we come forward. 375 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:04.279 When we come forward, we will continue this conversation. This 376 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:07.759 discussion is teaching really about the great the first black 377 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:12.480 heavyweight champion of the world, the one and only Jack Johnson. 378 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:15.599 He was heavyweight champion from nineteen oh eight to nineteen fifteen. 379 00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:19.599 He gave black people so much pride, and he shook 380 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:20.000 the world. 381 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:23.519 Yes he did. When we continue, we are so. 382 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:28.440 Happy that you've come forward with us on this teach Thursday. 383 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:30.359 Doc, and I got a lot of stuff going on. 384 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:32.680 But the most important thing is we are here to 385 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:36.720 lift up the life, the legacy, the incredible sacrifice in 386 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:41.839 the personage of the one and only Nina some moan. 387 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:43.839 She really was all of. 388 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:44.559 That, you know, Doc. 389 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.799 For a brief time, she started teaching music to survive, 390 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:54.039 you know, to make money before you know, I don't 391 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.319 know if it quite was it before she started doing 392 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:58.440 the club work, but she taught for a while, she 393 00:23:58.519 --> 00:23:59.720 gave lessons to people. 394 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:07.839 Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yoh no, yeah, I'm not either. 395 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:12.799 I mean just anybody that actually got trained by Nina Simone. God, God, 396 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.720 bless you so much talking about her. She was born 397 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:20.519 in North Carolina on February twenty first, nineteen thirty three. 398 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.680 Nina Simone passed away in two thousand and three. But 399 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:26.960 that dash, that dash made all the difference. So yeah, 400 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:30.000 according to the Sight, again please encouraging you to go 401 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:32.480