WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:02.640 It's with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:06.000 I'm telling you easy Boston Radio. 3 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:09.880 All Right, so we're talking about the Karen Reid trial. 4 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:14.039 The second trial now scheduled for April first. It looks 5 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:17.839 as if it will proceed on schedule. We'll have to 6 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:21.199 see what happens in the next two months. But today 7 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:27.320 the Massachusetts State Supreme Court unanimously decided to reject her appeal, 8 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:31.000 particularly as it relates to double jeopardy, saying that the 9 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:34.920 judge was not required to do anything more than she 10 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:39.439 than she did. Judge Beverly Canoni, and she will be 11 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:42.840 the presiding judge beginning on April first, and will be 12 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:47.960 very similar to a year ago. It will probably start 13 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:51.240 in April and wind its way through May and maybe 14 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:54.359 get to the jury sometime in June. So it's sort 15 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:56.600 of like just the calendar is going to be taken 16 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:02.280 back a year. And the question is was the court 17 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:06.359 correct in their decisions today? In my opinion, there was 18 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.920 an opportunity for them to at least leave an instruction 19 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:14.719 for future trials in Massachusetts when a jury comes back, 20 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:16.439 and the way it goes is the jury sends a 21 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.840 note to the judge and there's not a lot of 22 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:23.359 conversation generally between the jury four person and the judge. 23 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:25.560 Sometimes there's absolutely no conversation. 24 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:27.719 I was not in. 25 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:32.159 Court when these notes were passed back three times. According 26 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:36.680 to the the State's High Court, the state Supreme Court, 27 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:41.359 the judge did what only what she was obligated to do, 28 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.040 didn't have any further obligation. I think that the judge, 29 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:51.640 you know, in the interest of judicial economy, should have 30 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:55.920 said to the four person, are you telling the court 31 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:01.519 that you are deadlocked on all three counts? Count one, 32 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:02.799 count two, and count three? 33 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:03.719 Yes? Or no? 34 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:08.520 That's all? And if they said yes, we're deadlocked on 35 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:12.479 all three counts at that point, as long as no 36 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:16.240 jurors said whoa, wait a second, hold it, wait a second, 37 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:20.639 that would have been the end of it. If if, 38 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:24.560 on the other hand, the fourth person said, we're deadlocked 39 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:28.039 on one count, your honor, the judge then could have 40 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:30.719 easily said, have you reached a verdict? 41 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:32.120 Have you reached. 42 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:37.080 Consensus in the jury room if the guys, if the 43 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:39.879 four person said, yes, your honor, we have reached consensus 44 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:43.639 on two of the three counts, the judge then could 45 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:46.479 have said, well, there's nothing wrong with the partial verdict. 46 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.000 Please go back to the jury room, and if you 47 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:55.400 remain in consensus, feel free to fill out the verdict 48 00:02:55.400 --> 00:03:00.280 slipt on whatever verdicts you have reached, and I will 49 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.319 take those verdicts and we will declare a mistrial on 50 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:06.120 the verdicts that you have not reached consents. 51 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:07.159 It's as simple as that. 52 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:10.080 But the quote chose not to give that guidance or 53 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.479 that instruction, although from a practical point of view, I 54 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.560 think any judge going forward would be swat to follow 55 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.639 that that advice. Let me go to the call is 56 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:20.240 going to go to Fred and Needham. Fred, you were 57 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:22.439 next on nights. I appreciate you holding through the news. 58 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.000 Go right ahead, Fred, I am. 59 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:30.439 I agree with you and a couple of the previous calls. 60 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:35.639 I feel really sorry for this women. The state and 61 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:40.360 the judge are doing a lousy job. But from my experience, 62 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:45.000 personal experience many years ago, the minor situation and this 63 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:48.599 is like we're talking maybe thirty years ago at least. 64 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:55.000 But you know, if there's a second trial, and whether 65 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:59.319 it's defense or prosecution, second time around, they do a 66 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.840 lot of bitage job and they usually they make out 67 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:07.120 my bandit's getting their ways. So I think she's in trouble. 68 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:09.319 I think the state is going to do a lot 69 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:15.039 better job in in spite of everything that's going on. 70 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.720 So that's my opinion. I think she's in big trouble 71 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.319 because they're out together, and second time around, they're going 72 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.639 to be a lot smarter than they were the first time. 73 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:28.399 Well, I think they have a very experienced lawyer in 74 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:32.560 Hank Brennan. I don't know Attorney Brennan very well, but 75 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:36.720 I know enough of his reputation to know that he 76 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:39.920 will come very well prepared. I think that he will 77 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:44.720 probably be interact with the jury more effectively than the 78 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.040 assistant district attorney who handled the case the first time. 79 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.879 But at the same time, the defense now normally in 80 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:58.600 a situation like this, knows where the prosecution's going. They're 81 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.000 a little bit more familiar with the evidence. Maybe they 82 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.800 can find they can poke holes in the evidence more effectively. 83 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:07.120 I mean, it's it's a chess game. It's a chess match, 84 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:11.240 even though it deals with the wives and in this case, 85 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:14.399 the death of a human being and the future life 86 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.600 of Karen Reid. It sounds to me like you think 87 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.199 that they're going to be able to get a prosecution 88 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.279 to get a successful prosecution the second time around, is 89 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:26.480 what I'm hearing you say. 90 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.839 Between the lines, right, because because they're going to be 91 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:33.720 a lot smarter than the first time. But the other thing, 92 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:38.480 where does Karen Reid these lawyers sound that she has. 93 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:43.680 They sound intredibly expensive. Where does she get that kind 94 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.720 of money to be able to afford lawyers of the 95 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:52.399 scalab I'm glad she has them, but it's I. 96 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.279 Think if I'm not mistaken, and someone might know better 97 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.879 than me, but I believe that she has a GoFundMe 98 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.800 page which has raised I think I've seen figures close 99 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.879 to a half a million dollars or maybe more. Her 100 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:09.720 legal expenses far exceed that. I assume the lawyers may 101 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:11.680 be giving her a little bit of a break because 102 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:13.920 the one thing that a lot of criminal defense lawyers 103 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:17.639 enjoy is some notoriety in publicity because that will drive 104 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.800 other clients to them, so they may be they may 105 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.199 be in it. And and what happens sometimes is a 106 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:27.160 lawyer really gets committed to the case and is willing 107 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.800 to give the their client a little bit of a 108 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:34.319 break on the on the costs, particularly when it gets 109 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:35.680 up to these sort of figures. 110 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:37.000 I mean, we were talking about. 111 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.480 A minimum of a million dollar case and it probably 112 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:42.680 is going to be close to two million dollars when 113 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.639 you had in the second trial. So now that's some 114 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.439 factors that play. And I don't know if she has 115 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.639 family money or whatever, but but lawyers are you know, 116 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:55.319 no lawyer is going to walk away from her at 117 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:56.079 this point. 118 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.480 She does not have to worry about that. In my opinion, 119 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:00.680 it's good to know. 120 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.639 And uh, thanks for then. The other thing though, it's, uh, 121 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.079 you know, right from the beginning, Uh, I had dinner 122 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:13.319 with friends around the time of this trial in Canton, 123 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:17.600 and the neighborhood. Uh they you know, people who are 124 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.639 a lot closer to what's going on in Canton were 125 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.240 really suspicious of the whole thing. So I think the state, 126 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:30.240 like you said, it's a chess game, unfortunately, and uh, 127 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:33.279 it's more of a chess game and an out together 128 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:38.839 situation by the prosecution. And uh, in a way, I'm ashamed. 129 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:43.839 I'm ashamed of that that that our state is uh 130 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.680 is behaving the way they are in this case. It's uh, 131 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:51.120 they you know, they're capable of a lot, uh a 132 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:54.480 lot better behavior than they're they're showing in this case, 133 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.000 and that opportunity. 134 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.600 Yeah, for the from the point of view of the prosecutor, 135 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:06.839 if the prosecutor were sitting with you and me tonight, 136 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:13.079 that prosecutor would say, look, an individual unnecessarily lost their 137 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.519 life that night, and the state has an obligation to 138 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.560 find out what happened and whether there was any criminal 139 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.720 culpability involved in his death. Now, if it was a 140 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:28.160 pure accident in which there were no you know, no 141 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:32.159 factors which pushed it beyond simple accident, then it's an accident. 142 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:36.519 But they need to they would argue that as a prosecutor, 143 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.879 they they need to find out if there was any 144 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:44.519 criminal intent, any criminal negligence, gross negligence involved here. That 145 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:47.279 that because someone lost lost their life. I mean, the 146 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:51.120 the O'Keefe family has lost a son and a father. 147 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:56.840 So that's the balance the prosecutor has to has to 148 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:57.840 take into consideration. 149 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.919 I mean, just one last thing. I agree with you 150 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:07.320 that if it just like you said, if it's an accident, 151 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.200 I think after all this time, they should know. You know, 152 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:18.919 I had respect for for our system in Massachusetts. If 153 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:23.080 it was an accident, they should know. And I think 154 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:25.919 I hate to say it. I think they're out to 155 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:29.279 get this woman, even knowing it was an accident. I think. 156 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:32.399 I think there are many people, There were many. 157 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:35.799 There are many people on your side of the courtroom 158 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:36.879 who's shared that point of view. 159 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:37.360 Fred. 160 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.679 Appreciate you taking the time and the corriage to call tonight. 161 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:40.639 Talk to you soon. 162 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:43.039 Oh, thank you, Dan, Okay, good night. 163 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.240 All right, keep rolling here A six one seven four 164 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.799 ten thirty. That's the only line that's opened right now. 165 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:51.039 All the others are full six one seven two five 166 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.879 four ten thirty. Back with more phone calls right after 167 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:54.279 the break. 168 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.440 Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World. 169 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.720 Nice sights too, yours Don Basy News Radio. 170 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.600 Most of the callers on this topic tonight have been men. 171 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.919 So let's go to Diane and Peabody and see what 172 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:10.879 she thinks. Diane, you were next on Nightside. 173 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:11.240 Welcome. 174 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.440 Hi, thank you so much for having me on the call, 175 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:21.879 and thank you for covering this very, very heartbreaking case. 176 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:25.600 I have been following this case really since day one. 177 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:30.000 I remember when she was arrested and walked in with 178 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:34.320 her face mask on and her hands cut behind her back, 179 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.799 and something just didn't feel right to me right from 180 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:40.799 day one, it didn't make sense to me how this woman, 181 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:46.799 who was highly successful and by all accounts from everybody 182 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:51.720 who knew her, just a really loving, caring, wonderful person, 183 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.000 how all of a sudden she just lost her mind 184 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:00.759 and either on purpose or accidentally killed her boyfriend. 185 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:05.600 And then I think of the one of the arguments 186 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:07.600 that was involved was there was a lot of drinking 187 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:08.480 going on that night. 188 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:15.039 Yes there was, And if you tuned into Ted Daniel's 189 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:19.720 interview with her last night or Super Bowl evening, she 190 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:23.360 admitted that there was a lot of drinking that happened 191 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:26.360 in their relationship in general. When you think about it, 192 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:29.360 he was a Boston police officer. It's kind of strange 193 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:33.240 that he let her drive when she was that intoxicated. 194 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:36.919 And what the prosecution is alleging is that she had 195 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.720 nine Votga tonics. I don't know if you've ever seen 196 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:43.399 Karen Reid, but I don't think she even tips the 197 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:48.600 scales at ninety five pounds, and she has a multitude 198 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.919 of health issues, so the likelihood of her being able 199 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:56.759 to drink nine Votga tonics over a period of four 200 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:02.759 to five hours is pretty absurd. That being said, you know, 201 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:06.240 when you think about the prosecution's entire case, their theory 202 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:10.399 is that they were out drinking, they were invited to 203 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.519 an after party. They pulled up to the after party 204 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.240 at some point Karen and John allegedly gotten a really 205 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.600 heated argument. He got out of the car, and she 206 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:27.600 deliberately or accidentally knowingly hit him with her vehicle and 207 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:32.360 left him for dead. With that awareness of that, then 208 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:37.279 she drove home to his house, where his niece and 209 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:42.559 nephew were, and then called her mother and father to 210 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:46.480 allegedly confess to doing this, and then decided to call 211 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:52.960 John repeatedly and lead very hateful voicemails, and then decided 212 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.039 to call two of his friends who are particularly Diane. 213 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.759 I think we're Diane. I think we're familiar with a 214 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:04.559 lot of that. And again, I'm you clearly believe that 215 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:11.159 that something untoward has happened to to to Karen Reid. 216 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.840 I understand that, and clearly you have a lot of 217 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.519 more insight into her personality. You mentioned the fact that 218 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:21.759 if if you're a Boston cop and you've been drinking, uh, 219 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:24.120 you probably don't want to drive, and he might have 220 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.240 been more than happy to have her drive in case 221 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:27.919 you get pulled over and you're a Boston cop. 222 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:32.120 That can cost you a job. So there's arguments on 223 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:35.240 both sides, you know, and and it's going to get unfortunately. 224 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:37.639 Well let me yeah, go ahead. 225 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.679 I just you were making the case, you were making 226 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:41.600 the closing eyes. 227 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:45.240 That I didn't hear that you. Yeah, let me just 228 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.080 hear say something that I don't think you touched on 229 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:50.639 this evening. And a lot of callers did touch on 230 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.639 a lot of great things. But before the jury went 231 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:57.559 to deliberation, there was a serious issue and a serious 232 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:01.080 concern about that jewelry ballot and it was raised by 233 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:06.159 Attorney Jackson and and that was really and she got 234 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:07.480 really angry. 235 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:08.279 Yeah she did. 236 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:12.279 We're absolutely allow. 237 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:15.200 Me to at least confirm you're correct, okay, but I 238 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:17.759 also want you to know it was alluded to last hour. 239 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:22.000 So yeah, there was some confusion there, and there's some responsibility. 240 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.559 Again when you're the judge, you're in charge, and you're 241 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.840 in charge for all the right reasons as well as 242 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:32.639 the wrong reasons. And uh, it's too bad that she 243 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.759 did not inquire the judge did not inquire of the 244 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:41.080 jury for person and make sure that they were indeed 245 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.679 deadlocked on all three counts because maybe two of them 246 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:46.799 could have been disposed of. 247 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.480 Thank you much as great agreed. 248 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:52.720 Actually a very bad for her, But she does have 249 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.559 she does have a lot of donations coming her way. 250 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.840 So she's up to almost a million dollars in donation 251 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.279 from people not only in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, but 252 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.840 actually all around the world and as far as Australia is. 253 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.639 So that's where in part she's getting the money. Plus 254 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.279 she sold her house. So thank you so much for 255 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.320 covering this really important case. 256 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:16.320 I appreciate it. 257 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.759 Yep, we'll continue to us well, thanks for listening. Thank 258 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:20.600 you much, Thank you, Diane. Let me go to John 259 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:23.960 in Bridgewater. John, appreciate your patience here next one night, 260 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:24.600 Zacher right. 261 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:26.559 Ahead, Hi Dan, how are. 262 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.279 You good, sir? What's your take on this? 263 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:34.320 My take is that when Karen was at thirty four 264 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:37.559 three of you with John, she dropped them off, allegedly 265 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:42.519 right went back to his home. She woke up about 266 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:45.919 five am, four and a half hours later after she 267 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:48.679 allegedly hit him. 268 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:49.519 Where is he? 269 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.960 So, as you probably remember the footage of her backing 270 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:58.639 out of his garage and tapping his traverse with her 271 00:15:58.759 --> 00:15:59.360 right tail light. 272 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:02.240 Yeah, I've seen footage. 273 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.919 Again, I don't want to proclaim myself to be an 274 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:08.120 expert here. I think there was some disagreement as to 275 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.600 whether or not contact was made at that point. 276 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:13.960 But I know the footage you're referring to. 277 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:20.000 Okay, she proceeds forward down John's driveway to go look 278 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:25.200 for him. If you freeze frame that, you will see 279 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:33.159 both rear tail lights are completely intact. Okay, they both 280 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.240 match perfectly. There was no piece missing from that right 281 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:42.919 tail light, let alone finding forty seven pieces on thirty four. 282 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.960 Fear of you, days and days later, this case. If 283 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:51.360 they show that footage alone, this case is over. Her 284 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.440 tail light was not damaged. 285 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:55.240 Was that? 286 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.679 I'm asking you now an honest question. I'm not trying 287 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:03.600 to trick you. I'm asking you honest question that evidence 288 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:05.920 presented to the jury. 289 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.680 I'm not aware. I don't know. I've been following the 290 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:13.480 case closely, but I'm not sure. 291 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:13.839 That's why. 292 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.400 No, Well, that's why I asked you the question, because 293 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:21.359 when you said to me, I remember seeing that that videotape, 294 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.359 and I thought there was some question. 295 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:26.559 Again, I followed it casually. 296 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:29.200 I thought that there was some question about whether there 297 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.000 ever was a contact made. 298 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.480 And so well, then when the car went down supposedly 299 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.359 I don't know where it was fall river or that 300 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:44.200 officer Barrows was testifying said that he only saw the 301 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.759 tail like cracked. There were no missing pieces, Dan none, 302 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:50.599 So how did they come up with forty seven pieces? 303 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:53.799 Days later? You could take that footage you can watch 304 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.160 it on YouTube and when the cars driving down the 305 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:57.799 driveway freeze. 306 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.480 The kitchen, Yeah, no, I understand, fatail and of course, 307 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:04.480 and of course what your what your what your argument 308 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:08.079 is is that that was at around five thirty in 309 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.200 the morning, some four hours or four and a half 310 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.039 hours after the h the impact would have occurred and 311 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:16.519 the tail light would have been broken. 312 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:17.279 That's true. 313 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:20.920 That's exactly she dropped them off approximately twelve thirty and 314 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.799 then five or seven Yeah, yeah, after she allegedly hit them. 315 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:25.680 It's still intact. 316 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.920 But again, what I would question is was that was 317 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:36.000 that presented the jury and presented effectively or has that 318 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:40.920 uh that videotape come up after the trial if because 319 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:43.440 if it was not available at trial, if it was 320 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:45.960 available a trial and it wasn't presented the jury, you 321 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:47.359 make a very compelling argument. 322 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:48.240 It should have been. 323 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.599 You know exactly, you know that. I don't know, Dan, 324 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:55.160 but I mean it's a slam dunk once. Once you 325 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:57.160 see that, you'll say no idea again. 326 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:58.920 If you made the point, you made the point, you 327 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:03.319 made it well two times, three times. I just you 328 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.480 follow this case more closely than I did. 329 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:08.319 That I did. 330 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:12.359 And that's why I'm asking you if you knew, and 331 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:13.640 you're telling me you don't. 332 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:14.759 So I'll accept that. 333 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.920 Why the defense did not get that if that video 334 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.240 was available, why the defense didn't make a big deal 335 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:23.319 out of that and get it into evidence. 336 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:24.759 That's that's a big. 337 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:26.119 Question on me, I know. 338 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.279 And if it came from John's home, came from his camera. 339 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:33.079 Yeah, okay, you know, all right, fair enough. Thanks thank you, John, 340 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:35.839 John from Bridgewater. See if other people react to what 341 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:36.319 you have to. 342 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:40.119 Say, Thanks you, thank you, thank you. 343 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.759 All right, good night. Coming back on Night's side. After 344 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:45.559 the break here at ten thirty we got the news 345 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:49.799 six two, five, four, ten thirty one line there two 346 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:53.039 lines at six one, seven, nine thirty. We will get 347 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:55.400 to the other topic of the night, and that is 348 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:58.960 what is going on with the US Agency for International 349 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:03.039 Development That has of course become a big point of 350 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:09.319 concern between the Trump administration and now judges and Democrats. 351 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:11.279 We're going to get to that. There's an interesting article 352 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:13.200 in the Washington Post today that I'd like to bring 353 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:15.640 to your attention. But I'm more than willing to talk 354 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:17.799 about this at least until eleven o'clock. 355 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:19.359 But if you want to. 356 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:22.200 Join the conversation, do it now, because if not, we'll 357 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:23.920 be wrapping this up on the other side after a 358 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.759 couple of callers six one, seven, nine, three one ten 359 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.079 thirty or six one, seven, two five four to ten thirty. 360 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:30.559 Back on night Side. 361 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:35.839 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio. 362 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:38.480 Back to the phones we go. Let me go to 363 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.799 Mark in Austin. Mark, welcome back. How are you tonight, sir? 364 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.160 Hi Dan, good evening, and thanks for taking my call. 365 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:52.720 Maybe I have a special perspective on this case because 366 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:57.000 I am a survivor. I don't cry myself. I generally 367 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.920 avoid watching must crime. 368 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.519 Yeah you know, Mark, hold on for a second. You 369 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:07.640 have a bad connection here, so I want Rob to c. 370 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:09.599 Connection. 371 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:17.079 Okay, other electronic device in my apartment is turned safely off. 372 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:17.880 That's weird. 373 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:20.880 Okay, Well hold on, Rob will clean you up. We're 374 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:23.480 gonna get you maybe get closer to a window, don't 375 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:25.359 hang up. We'll get you on and then back at 376 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:25.960 in a minute. 377 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:26.759 Rob. 378 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:28.799 Please take care of Mark. Let's in the meantime go 379 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:32.079 to in Florida. Matt, you were next on Nightside. I'm 380 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.279 sure your connection in Florida is going to be cleaner 381 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:35.720 than Mark's and Alston. 382 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:36.799 I hope. 383 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:38.559 So you know. 384 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.559 I know you're a lawyer. I'm in the lead. I 385 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:44.000 used to be in the legal field. I have respect 386 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.640 for the legal system, but it doesn't want it anymore. 387 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.119 You got the guy you called two times ago. He 388 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.720 made a really good point about that evidence clear as 389 00:21:55.880 --> 00:22:01.240 as day. Okay, wait, no one's in charge of what's 390 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:05.440 going on with this stuff. The second that is discovered, 391 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.480 along with the evidence that his app that the dead 392 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.880 guy's Apple Watch was moving around after he was dead, 393 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:18.039 that evidence right there, Someone, someone, an adult in society, 394 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.640 needs to stand up and say no, there's clear evidence. 395 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.039 This is not what is going on here, and it 396 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:28.599 shouldn't be up to a new crop of nine idiots 397 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.519 who could who who get put up on a journey 398 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.519 to decide what's going on When the whole world realizes 399 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:40.319 that this is a sham. And again, I'm not trying 400 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.839 to like make a bigger point of this, but it's 401 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:47.799