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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 1: Know aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Honesty. Hey there, and welcome back to Sasquatch Odds.
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Speaker 1: I was asked to come on Untold Radio as a
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Speaker 1: all kinds of things here, and frankly, Doug asks me
Speaker 1: some questions that I've never been asked before, So you're
Speaker 1: gonna hear things here that you've never heard from me
Speaker 1: in the past. It was a really cool conversation. I
Speaker 1: think you're really going to enjoy it. We talk about
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Speaker 2: Our guest Brian King Sharp. Brian's the native of northwestern Georgia.
Speaker 2: He's been captivated by mysteries beyond our understanding since childhood.
Speaker 2: Throw alled my tales of hairy creatures in the mountains
Speaker 2: near his home, apparently in a personal encounter when he
Speaker 2: was a child, and that ignited his deefascination with the topic.
Speaker 2: Propelling him into the endless exploration of the topic. And
Speaker 2: he had a sixteen year career in law enforcement. And
Speaker 2: Brian turned his passion into a hobby by starting a
Speaker 2: podcast Sasquatch Honesty held into a full time job. I've
Speaker 2: done that over and over. Yes, all I do is
Speaker 2: do hobbies all time. This podcast has become one of
Speaker 2: the most popular podcasts on the topic of subsquatch. We'll
Speaker 2: get into more details with Brian, but he's appeared on
Speaker 2: all sorts of TV shows. Also, he's got some other podcasts.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that too. Let's bring Brian on.
Speaker 3: All right, there he is there. He is the man
Speaker 3: in the myth, the legend.
Speaker 1: Does everybody get the disclaimer? Or was that just for me?
Speaker 2: Just for you? Okay, I figure out you need that
Speaker 2: special just for you. Brian, you do know me? I
Speaker 2: figured yeah, I do. Yeah, I knowing you. It's why
Speaker 2: we're gonna have fun.
Speaker 1: I'm tarous about these questions that I've never been asked before.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a whole bunch of them. They've never
Speaker 2: been asked.
Speaker 1: I'm ready, man, I'm ready.
Speaker 2: All right. First off, you probably have been asked this,
Speaker 2: but you got to tell us quick you saw something
Speaker 2: when you were.
Speaker 1: A kid, didn't see anything. I believe I was paced
Speaker 1: out of the woods.
Speaker 2: By one of these things.
Speaker 1: I talk about it in the first chapter of the book,
Speaker 1: Sasquatched the least. It was a situation where I out hunting.
Speaker 1: It was an area of the woods that I'd never
Speaker 1: been in before. I always got the creeps there. I
Speaker 1: had this really odd, ominous feeling when I went in
Speaker 1: that area and whatever this was ten fifteen feet away,
Speaker 1: just on the other side of the brush. I couldn't
Speaker 1: see huff's growls. What sounded like, I know now to
Speaker 1: be a bluff charge. That was really something that scared me.
Speaker 1: It really scared me pretty bad. I didn't go in
Speaker 1: the woods for almost a year after that.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been scared on your own property ever?
Speaker 2: Like actual feeling like creeped out.
Speaker 1: There's been a couple of times. There was a time.
Speaker 1: I think it was a last summer. I'm weird. I
Speaker 1: like to look for gold on my property. We have
Speaker 1: creaks on the property, so I like to pan for gold.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite shows in the war.
Speaker 2: I like to come there at night. I pan for
Speaker 2: gold when you're not.
Speaker 1: I was wondering what was making those security lights go off.
Speaker 1: Now I know it's you, but yeah, I like to
Speaker 1: do that. There was one time last summer, middle of
Speaker 1: the day, broad daylight, I had this ominous feeling that
Speaker 1: something was watching me every here on the back of
Speaker 1: my neck stood up and I just got that feeling.
Speaker 1: I left the area and I was only maybe a
Speaker 1: couple hundred yards into the woods up the creek. I've
Speaker 1: bent over and I'm just scooping stuff in. I'm paying
Speaker 1: for gold and doing my thing. That feeling just overtook me.
Speaker 1: And there was the other time when I heard the
Speaker 1: vocalizations about forty yards away from the house. That was
Speaker 1: probably three years ago. That was a pretty ominous thing.
Speaker 1: It made me stop doing night walks. I don't do
Speaker 1: night walks on the property like I used to just
Speaker 1: because of that. I don't want to come face to
Speaker 1: face with whatever made that noise. To be quite frank with, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to see one, but you want to
Speaker 2: see it in the right circumstances. You don't want to
Speaker 2: be opening a curtain and they have been looking at you,
Speaker 2: or see it while you're walk taking a walk at night.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I told people.
Speaker 1: I told that story on many podcasts, and I've talked
Speaker 1: about it on my show, and people said. The first
Speaker 1: thing they said was, what did you go outside and
Speaker 1: look and see what it was? I'm like, no, I
Speaker 1: had no desire.
Speaker 2: To do that. It's so easy, no desire.
Speaker 1: No. I've had situations where I've been outside on the
Speaker 1: deck before bed and i hear something running up the
Speaker 1: side of the heel here that sounded bipedal and sounded
Speaker 1: big I'm not chasing that. I learned long ago. I
Speaker 1: did that in my police career. I don't chase bullets anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't chase bad guys, and I'm not chasing bigfoot
Speaker 1: on my property. Just not doing it.
Speaker 2: That's good. Have you ever had I mean you very
Speaker 2: likely because I know I know where you live, and
Speaker 2: you live in a very very rural area, lot of trees, water,
Speaker 2: a good area, hills, You've got all the right geography.
Speaker 2: Have you ever experienced a noise or a slap on
Speaker 2: the home or what you thought was a rock hitting
Speaker 2: or your home?
Speaker 1: Never a slap, but I have heard strange things hitting
Speaker 1: the house. We have a ten roof. We live in
Speaker 1: a four hundred square foot tiny house and it has
Speaker 1: a tin roof. But there are things that fall out
Speaker 1: of the tree.
Speaker 2: I'm very skeptical.
Speaker 1: I'm an Ockhams Raiser kind of guy, so I always
Speaker 1: go to the simplest explanation is it's probably something falling
Speaker 1: out of a tree. I have heard things in the
Speaker 1: past that have made me scratch my head and wonder.
Speaker 1: I think the last time I was on with you
Speaker 1: guys was like March of twenty twenty two. So a
Speaker 1: lot of things has happened over the last couple of
Speaker 1: years on the property and off the property obviously, but
Speaker 1: I had never heard wood knocks until last year. It
Speaker 1: was I guess it was early fall. I was getting
Speaker 1: ready to go up to Canada, was going on expedition
Speaker 1: with tide standing in October of last year. It was
Speaker 1: right before I left to go to that expedition. I
Speaker 1: went out to do my business off the front porch,
Speaker 1: which I do because we live in the woods. Like
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning, I heard these five power knocks.
Speaker 2: It was like bam.
Speaker 1: It sounded like they were probably half a mile to
Speaker 1: a mile away. There's a huge ridge. Our property goes
Speaker 1: all the way up to the back of the ridge
Speaker 1: we have forty acres and on the other side of
Speaker 1: that there's another probably three hundred acres of nothing but woods.
Speaker 1: It was coming from that direction, which is where the
Speaker 1: majority of the vocalizations outside of what we heard forty
Speaker 1: yards or so away from the house have come from.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it couldn't be anything other than the quintessential
Speaker 1: wood knock that people describe hearing. That's the first and
Speaker 1: only time I've ever heard anything like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know the.
Speaker 1: Things hitting the house, Like I said, I could be
Speaker 1: acorns falling out of a tree, but sometimes I've heard
Speaker 1: them and it sounds like something different, but never a
Speaker 1: slap on the house now, So.
Speaker 2: On the vocals that you've heard, including the wood knocks,
Speaker 2: do you think those could be a vocal to the
Speaker 2: wood knocks? I do.
Speaker 1: So many people I have talked to over the last
Speaker 1: few years have brought that.
Speaker 2: Up more and more.
Speaker 1: I talked to one gentleman not too long ago who
Speaker 1: claimed to have seen a sasquatch making these popping wood
Speaker 1: knock sounds with its mouth. And I've got another gentleman
Speaker 1: that was in our Facebook group big Foot Encounters and
Speaker 1: Field Research on Facebook. One of the guys in the
Speaker 1: group recently has postulated that these things are mouth pops
Speaker 1: instead of wood knocks. I'm actually in the process of
Speaker 1: reading Tom Powell's.
Speaker 2: Book The Locals.
Speaker 1: I just ordered those because I just interviewed Tom a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and it's one of the things
Speaker 1: we got into towards the end of his interview is
Speaker 1: he was literally showing me how he thinks that sasquatch
Speaker 1: does these wood knocks with their mouth. If you really
Speaker 1: think about it, it doesn't make sense that sasquatch is
Speaker 1: out in the woods with something to knock on trees.
Speaker 1: Right if you go out right now in the woods,
Speaker 1: if you're in an area where you can go out
Speaker 1: and try to find a stick that you can hit
Speaker 1: a tree with that's going to make that kind of
Speaker 1: noise and resonate the way that does, it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: because ninety percent of the time, anything on the ground
Speaker 1: is going to be soggy, wet, it's going to fall apart.
Speaker 1: So I just don't think they're doing it well exactly.
Speaker 2: They can't. There was a time where we got an
Speaker 2: answer right after we wood knocked, and I'm like, there's
Speaker 2: no way they've phoned a stick that quick and responded,
Speaker 2: there's just no way. How do you think they do it?
Speaker 1: Can you show us basically what Tom was showing me.
Speaker 1: You open your mouth, you have your mouth open, and
Speaker 1: then you're cupping your hands and you're hitting your hands
Speaker 1: in front of your mouth like a He does it
Speaker 1: much better than me.
Speaker 2: That's a fail.
Speaker 1: That's definitely a fail. Tom is going to fail me
Speaker 1: out of my science class because I do so.
Speaker 2: It could be like a tongue click and then doing
Speaker 2: the cupping the hands got so interesting because it shirt
Speaker 2: does sound like wood when you get that baseball bat
Speaker 2: or something on the exact right sized pine tree, it's
Speaker 2: just got that echo, hollow sound. But yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: there's just there could be no way they can mimic
Speaker 2: wood hitting wood. What else can they mimic? Now? Metallic sounds.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed so many people that have talked about hearing
Speaker 1: weird metallic sounds eight miles deep in the woods where
Speaker 1: there's no explanation where they're having big foot activity. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. We experienced it quite a few
Speaker 1: times when I was up in Radium last year with Todd.
Speaker 1: These things were interacting like I was doing whoops and
Speaker 1: calls back. I was getting wood knocks in response, much
Speaker 1: like you said, there's no time for them to be
Speaker 1: able to do that, like you can't hind.
Speaker 2: A rock or tide.
Speaker 1: Postulates that they're using rocks on rocks at times and
Speaker 1: or rocks on trees. I don't know. I tried to
Speaker 1: demonstrate that while I was up there. I took a
Speaker 1: big rock and smacked the side of one of these
Speaker 1: huge trees that hurts like hail.
Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, I don't think that's what's going on, but
Speaker 2: definitely that. Yeah, I've heard the two rocks bain together.
Speaker 2: That kind of makes sense, but they could be mimicking
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: What's the weirdest vocal that you've heard other than a woodknock?
Speaker 1: Definitely the Ohio Howell type vocalization is what we were hearing.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing we ever heard on the property.
Speaker 2: Like an air raid, Sirene.
Speaker 1: The one that we heard here near the house was
Speaker 1: forty yards away or so, had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a bark or a growl on the end. It was
Speaker 1: at the end it was cleared, So that definitely the weirdest.
Speaker 2: It's like a samurai growl sort of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely a good way to put it. I
Speaker 1: think the weirdest thing that I've ever heard was up
Speaker 1: in Radium last October. We're sitting around the campfire. There's
Speaker 1: five of us sitting around. Todd's talking, of course, because
Speaker 1: that's what he does best. We're all sitting there listening
Speaker 1: to him tell the story, and we hear it's like
Speaker 1: this kind of sound sounds like it's thirty feet away
Speaker 1: from us in the woodline. I immediately stopped. I was like,
Speaker 1: hold on, did you guys hear that. Ashley was there,
Speaker 1: his research partner and girlfriend was sitting there. Kyle, the
Speaker 1: other guy, he heard it. I heard it, Ashley heard it,
Speaker 1: Todd didn't hear it, and Richard, Kyle's dad, who's heart
Speaker 1: of hearing, bless his heart, he.
Speaker 2: Didn't hear much, so he didn't hear it either.
Speaker 1: But we clearly heard what sounded like samurai chatter, and
Speaker 1: actually caught a little bit of that over Todd talking
Speaker 1: on the audio recorded that I had going and it's
Speaker 1: really weird. It's the only time I've ever heard anything
Speaker 1: that sounded remotely like the Sierra sounds Samurai chatter. Obviously,
Speaker 1: in real life and or recorded. Frankly, I've never heard
Speaker 1: it before, but it was clear as day. We definitely
Speaker 1: heard it, and it sounded like it was thirty feet
Speaker 1: away from us. It was not far away.
Speaker 2: Did you hear them? We recorded like talking of at Snowbrow.
Speaker 2: It was so weird and so clear. We not only
Speaker 2: heard it, but we recorded it. Dave Ellis, I think
Speaker 2: he's in the chat yep. He started analyzing it and
Speaker 2: comparing it to even some other known vocalizations, including the Moorheads,
Speaker 2: and yet it's got all those missing fundamentals. Man, it's
Speaker 2: just like human talking, but with the samurai kind of flair.
Speaker 2: It was so clear. It wasn't like a distant It
Speaker 2: was like talking right near our mic.
Speaker 1: But like another language. We're not talking like English, we're.
Speaker 2: Talking oh right, yeah, like in Gibberish.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yet you could if you wanted to, you could
Speaker 2: substit to with you in words. It was mind blowing
Speaker 2: for me, actually knowing something's right outside that cabin door
Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, talking vocalizing, but with a
Speaker 2: human language. I don't know, man, it's so good chills
Speaker 2: thinking about it.
Speaker 1: It's really unnerving when you think about it. I left
Speaker 1: that trip from Radium having had so many awesome experiences
Speaker 1: that I couldn't explain. God, here we are, We're eighteen
Speaker 1: miles deep in the middle of freaking nowhere. Something is
Speaker 1: throwing rocks at us. It's either banging a tree or
Speaker 1: it's making something. It sounds like a wood knock. Now
Speaker 1: we're hearing this weird gibberish samurai kind of chatter stuff.
Speaker 1: It was really unnerving. We were sleeping in campers. But
Speaker 1: let's face it, those things are like coke cans. They're
Speaker 1: like ten cans, right, there's not a lot of protection.
Speaker 1: If these things wanted in, they could easily get to
Speaker 1: it over. Yeah, it's a done deal.
Speaker 2: It's a wrap. Right. It's very unnerving.
Speaker 3: Just to put in perspective. I've been watching a documentary
Speaker 3: on chimps, Regular chimps. There was a case with I
Speaker 3: had to put one down and it literally ripped a
Speaker 3: door right off.
Speaker 2: Of a car.
Speaker 3: We're talking on a two hundred pound chim not a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those things are no joke, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When we went to Snell, so we went down
Speaker 2: Brian and the lady goes, well, you guys are going out
Speaker 2: to Snell and we're like, yeah, we're flying out today.
Speaker 2: She's like that Cavin got wrecked two weeks ago. Again
Speaker 2: we're like what, Adam goes, you do you have any
Speaker 2: pictures or videos? She is a video broken glass doors
Speaker 2: ripped off, inside, covered doors ripped off, all that same
Speaker 2: kind of weird damage, no scratches, no bite marks. Then
Speaker 2: they got it fixed and then that was great. So
Speaker 2: we're thinking, oh, great, the cabin's fixed, we're gonna go back.
Speaker 2: We walked down to the dock, Brian. You get in
Speaker 2: the plane and the pilot goes, oh, we're taking out
Speaker 2: to Snell today and we're like yeah, and he goes,
Speaker 2: did you hear what happened after we got the cabin fixed?
Speaker 2: Now he goes, something pushed a tree on top of
Speaker 2: the roof. So it's just something doesn't like that cabin.
Speaker 2: I talked to the owner and he said, yeah, that
Speaker 2: thing is that cabin has cost me a fortune to
Speaker 2: keep it in repair.
Speaker 1: So they knew you were coming. Doug, You're like a
Speaker 1: magnet for the stony.
Speaker 2: Oh no, man, it's just it's craziness. Doesn't the existence
Speaker 2: of this creature bother you? Like it bothers me? Like
Speaker 2: we deal with it every day. You do, and I
Speaker 2: know I do every day. I deal with this, and
Speaker 2: yet still bugs me. I can't just look up in
Speaker 2: the encyclopedia or online and see all of the scientific
Speaker 2: photos of it. It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it drives me crazy. I have been so skeptical
Speaker 1: for so long, and I've been on the fence, and
Speaker 1: I've had experiences recently, just over the last less than
Speaker 1: a year that have completely taken me past the point
Speaker 1: of wondering if these things exist to knowing that they exist.
Speaker 1: Now I'm in this weird place of all I'm focused
Speaker 1: on is what they are, why we can't find them,
Speaker 1: why we don't have them scientifically recognized. All of the
Speaker 1: things just spiral around in my brain constantly. It drives
Speaker 1: me insane, it really does. It keeps me up a
Speaker 1: lot of nights. I get up and start working, sometimes
Speaker 1: at four o'clock in the morning because it just bugs
Speaker 1: me so much that I want to learn as much
Speaker 1: as I possibly can. It's one of the reasons I
Speaker 1: started Tom's book after I had the conversation with him
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. It's just getting as much
Speaker 1: knowledge and frankly anything I can get that would push
Speaker 1: me in a direction one way or the other. Now
Speaker 1: I'm more about recognition. I want to get these things recognized.
Speaker 1: And I know that's not everybody's cup of tea. Plenty
Speaker 1: of people say, I'm not trying to prove this to anybody.
Speaker 1: I know, but knowing's not enough for me.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, Brian, you have to deal with
Speaker 2: this mystery every day. Oh yeah, you're interviewing you. How
Speaker 2: many witnesses of you interviewed by now.
Speaker 1: I'm over five hundred episodes of sasquat ch Outa.
Speaker 2: See you've interviewed a very minimum five hundred six seven
Speaker 2: hundred people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably if you figure in speaking engagements and going
Speaker 1: to conferences and just talking to people on the spot
Speaker 1: in person, probably a thousand people at this point.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so probably easy. But we can't get away
Speaker 2: from the lack of substenance. And I've been chasing this
Speaker 2: thing thirty five years, and like you, I have the
Speaker 2: vocals and the rocks and the wood nuts and the
Speaker 2: footprints and the hair, all very physical, but yet I
Speaker 2: still feel like I'm going crazy, going nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go down the rabbit hole, it takes
Speaker 1: you farther and deeper every single day, but I love it. It's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to think that
Speaker 2: you don't enjoy what you do. I know you do,
Speaker 2: but it still drives you. It is a little bit maddening.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like we're getting closer, for lack of
Speaker 3: a better word, community.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, Alex. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I think there is a lot of work to be
Speaker 1: done in the community. I see this over and over,
Speaker 1: just the different camps that people are in. You have
Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody like Tom Powell. He is out
Speaker 1: there with his theories on these things, but he's come
Speaker 1: to these conclusions after decades of looking into this. I'm
Speaker 1: still a flesh and blooder. I'm in that camp. I've
Speaker 1: planted my flag there since day one. But I'm open
Speaker 1: minded enough to listen to other people's experiences. I have
Speaker 1: an episode coming out on Friday a lady that I
Speaker 1: interviewed months ago who has some wild experiences with these things.
Speaker 1: She believes that they're interdimensional creatures. They have the ability
Speaker 1: to cloak and all of the things that everybody is
Speaker 1: going to call wu or high strangeness. But after having
Speaker 1: that conversation with her, I walked away going wow. I
Speaker 1: was shaking my head a little bit. But she made
Speaker 1: some very valid points during that interview that really made
Speaker 1: me think about other possibilities. So I think people are
Speaker 1: moving forward, at least I see that a lot. I
Speaker 1: collaborate with a ton the people in the Bigfoot community
Speaker 1: and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to sea. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And Brian, you've been in zoo Book meetings. Yes, that's
Speaker 2: a big move forward. Scientists getting together talking about this topic,
Speaker 2: listening to guys like you and like me. I think
Speaker 2: it's a huge breakthrough. I agree because that group is growing.
Speaker 2: There's more and more scientists and experts joining. At some points,
Speaker 2: I'm hoping it just keep growing it becomes a real deal.
Speaker 2: But do you feel that what is it going to
Speaker 2: take to convince Okay, so here's a question, what do
Speaker 2: you think it will take just to convince scientists to
Speaker 2: study it?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think there are plenty of people out there,
Speaker 1: like the ones that are involved in Zoo Book. There
Speaker 1: are quite a few that are in the Bigfoot closet,
Speaker 1: they're not going to come out because there's a risk
Speaker 1: of losing funding. There's a risk of losing or not
Speaker 1: gaining tenure. Meldrum went through that, Krantz went through a
Speaker 1: ton of that before he passed away. In his career,
Speaker 1: he was ostracized by plenty of people in his community
Speaker 1: of science that did not like the fact that he
Speaker 1: was even acknowledging that this was a possibility or even
Speaker 1: looking at the evidence. I think until some of those
Speaker 1: people come out of the Bigfoot closet and do more
Speaker 1: of a Jeff Meldrum approach, I think if a couple
Speaker 1: of those people would come out and be leaders in
Speaker 1: the field and do that. But honestly, I don't think
Speaker 1: any huge number of scientists are going to take this
Speaker 1: seriously until there's a type specimen for them to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a real deal. Now we're going to start
Speaker 1: doing the science right. We're going to take this thing
Speaker 1: apart and figure out what it is. Until that happens,
Speaker 1: I don't see a whole lot of movement, honestly, outside
Speaker 1: of people who have a hobby type interest who may
Speaker 1: be a scientist looking into it because they believe there's
Speaker 1: a there there, But until there's a type specimen, I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody in the scientific community at law are
Speaker 1: just going to take a huge interest in studying.
Speaker 2: What if, though, like Darby and gets safe number of
Speaker 2: full sequences DNA. Do you think that might get some
Speaker 2: interest more interest? I think it certainly would.
Speaker 1: That's something that I've thought about tons and tons of times,
Speaker 1: because there's a whole other underbelly of conversations to get
Speaker 1: in as far as collecting a specimen or not what
Speaker 1: the NAWAC has been trying to do for over a decade. Now,
Speaker 1: you get into those conversations with people, and I believe
Speaker 1: that if there was a concentrated effort, and I've had
Speaker 1: some conversations with people like Jeff from Pine Island Research
Speaker 1: about this in the past, if you get enough DNA
Speaker 1: from individuals and you can say we've got these twelve
Speaker 1: samples or we've got these fifteen samples that come back
Speaker 1: unknown there's some sort of unknown primate, then maybe science
Speaker 1: may perk up and say, if there's twelve or fifteen
Speaker 1: samples that are completely unknown, this has got to be
Speaker 1: something that we need to take a look at. Right
Speaker 1: that happens though, I really don't see it going any further, honestly,
Speaker 1: as far as DNA is concerned, because right now, when
Speaker 1: you get a sample of something that comes back unknown
Speaker 1: primate or unknown DNA, or appears to have some sort
Speaker 1: of contamination or whatever the case may be, that's all
Speaker 1: it is. But if you have ten of those, or
Speaker 1: twelve of those, or fifteen of those, or twenty of those,
Speaker 1: then you can start building a case of Okay, this
Speaker 1: collected here. It's unknown, but it's very similar to this.
Speaker 1: Then you can string those unknown samples together to say,
Speaker 1: now we have these are clearly from different animals, from
Speaker 1: different specimens. There's got to be there, so maybe somebody
Speaker 1: will take it a little bit further and get into that.
Speaker 1: But until that happens, I really don't see anything moving
Speaker 1: forward in any significant way, honestly than where we've been
Speaker 1: in the past.
Speaker 2: I think we're racing towards all having a DNA machine
Speaker 2: on our desk like we do a copy machine. I
Speaker 2: do see the technology getting smarter. I can hardly the
Speaker 2: DNA machines the labs are using from my printer. Do
Speaker 2: you remember, Brian, when we would pay or you'd go
Speaker 2: into the office and they'd have to sign a twenty
Speaker 2: year lease on a copier. I remember signing those leases. God,
Speaker 2: we're old, Doug, We're so old. So they were ten
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, which you had to have it. I remember
Speaker 2: signing a lease for the color copy or I was
Speaker 2: like a ten year lease because it was so expensive.
Speaker 2: But now they're what twenty eight bucks at Walmart or
Speaker 2: wherever you go, and then in cart Josey. Yeah there,
Speaker 2: that's where they get you. But they're still affordable. You
Speaker 2: can still have a color Crappt machine on your desktop
Speaker 2: for hundred bucks fully equipped with a wow, five thousand,
Speaker 2: ten thousand, and back in the nineties that was probably
Speaker 2: worth twenty five thousand. DNA machines and processing is coming
Speaker 2: that direction quick. I will predict within ten years, you,
Speaker 2: Brian king Charp, we'll own your own DNA machine to
Speaker 2: process DNA. Could be that's my prediction. I'll almost stick
Speaker 2: to a ten years to be able to buy him
Speaker 2: at the costco.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at I guess the most comparable thing that
Speaker 1: my mind goes to is like carbon printers.
Speaker 2: There you go, there's the best example ever. Yeah. Good.
Speaker 1: Now you go to conferences and people have entire tables
Speaker 1: of things and you're like, oh my god, that's such
Speaker 1: a cool Bigfoot. Where did you get that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I made it with my carbon printer at home?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, three D printer.
Speaker 1: Have a three D printer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember when those things were, like when they
Speaker 2: first came out, like thirty grand. You can get them
Speaker 2: on eBay now or Amazon for a hundred bucks and
Speaker 2: they work really well. It's scary. Alex has got a hold,
Speaker 2: like a big room setup. How many three D printers JEV.
Speaker 3: Think, like ten or eleven, ten or.
Speaker 2: Eleven all running producing stuff, for making stuff or doing whatever.
Speaker 2: This is like craziness. So mark my words, in this
Speaker 2: ten years, we're in this very exponential technology at this point.
Speaker 3: So basically, even if the scientists aren't willing to do
Speaker 3: the hard work, if it's affordable, we can do it.
Speaker 2: I just think it's going to be Put it this way,
Speaker 2: I think Bigfoot's on its last legs of hiding from humanity.
Speaker 1: But here's the devil's advocate for a second, Like, how
Speaker 1: many people are really boots on the ground researchers that
Speaker 1: are out trying to collect DNA. I know you've done
Speaker 1: things in the past. I know, people like Jeff have
Speaker 1: done things. I've talked to other people that have done
Speaker 1: things like they're trying to make traps with velcrow and
Speaker 1: other things to get hair samples and those kind of things.
Speaker 1: But how many people are truly doing that, because, let's
Speaker 1: face it, DNA is not really sexy. Beating on trees
Speaker 1: and screaming and doing all the fun things that we've
Speaker 1: been taught to do. Finding Bigfoot and all these other
Speaker 1: things is fun stuff, right, You're going out in the
Speaker 1: woods and doing all the cool things. But setting up
Speaker 1: something like Jeff's experiment, Jeff's going out and lead balls,
Speaker 1: going and collecting them every day at the butt crack
Speaker 1: of dawn and taking an hour ride in on a canoe.
Speaker 1: People just don't do that kind of stuff. And that's
Speaker 1: really what it takes, in my opinion. Sure, you can
Speaker 1: look up on a sample, you can find a footprint
Speaker 1: that may have some E DNA in it, or a
Speaker 1: rogue hare or something like that, but it takes devoted
Speaker 1: researchers that are boots on the ground really looking for
Speaker 1: that for it to be something that we have enough
Speaker 1: of those samples to send it to somebody like Darby
Speaker 1: to test yeah.
Speaker 2: But like my little tech breakdown, it's no big deal,
Speaker 2: but it reminds people that it's not that hard to
Speaker 2: have at least the tools to collect DNA or fingerprint
Speaker 2: or whatever. I think things are going to change. I
Speaker 2: think we're going to see the bar. I'm hoping LMS
Speaker 2: two with all the science I'm putting in there and
Speaker 2: all the news stuff, I'm hoping that raises the bar.
Speaker 2: I won't solve the mystery, it'll raise the bar. And
Speaker 2: I think we all just keep raising the bar. Every
Speaker 2: podcast you do, Brian w you interview with good witness,
Speaker 2: you have raised the bar. That's what I try to do.
Speaker 1: I started the show because I wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: those people that had those experiences. And I've quickly realized
Speaker 1: that I have the ability as a podcast or any podcast,
Speaker 1: there's not anything unique to me. Anybody who interviews witnesses,
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about Bigfoot or other cryptids or five,
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, you become a repository of information. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's out there in perpetuity. I could drop dead
Speaker 1: tomorrow and every one of those five hundred plus episodes
Speaker 1: of sasquatch Otessy will be out there. In perpetuity for
Speaker 1: people to go back and listen to.
Speaker 2: It, and just so you know, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you think about it, there are scientists studying your podcast.
Speaker 2: They're listening to those stories. At some point it's going
Speaker 2: to have an effect. So what you're doing is very worthwhile,
Speaker 2: far beyond what you may think it's doing. I think
Speaker 2: historically people will look back at this stuff and go, wow,
Speaker 2: well it's going to be a big deal. So I
Speaker 2: do congratulate because you're definitely a pioneer in thus.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Otasey. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages.
Speaker 2: You West Germer, other people that have just documented all
Speaker 2: these stories are really doing heroes work.
Speaker 1: I already see it myself. I can go back and
Speaker 1: listen to We just celebrated we're over five hundred episodes
Speaker 1: at this point. We just did a live show over
Speaker 1: on that Bigfoot podcast to celebrate the five hundred episode
Speaker 1: of Sasquatch Odyssey. That's one of the things I talked
Speaker 1: about is I go back to episode two or three
Speaker 1: of the show and I'm hearing people tell me things
Speaker 1: that I thought were some of the most far fetched
Speaker 1: things I'd ever heard, and at that time they were.
Speaker 1: But over the course of those next five hundred plus episodes,
Speaker 1: so many people have had so many similar experiences, almost
Speaker 1: identical experiences, that I can go back and compare and say,
Speaker 1: this person was in Missouri and this happened in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven, and then this person had a very similar
Speaker 1: experience in New York State in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: It's so amazing to be able to go through and
Speaker 1: see all of the nuances that have come out over
Speaker 1: these five hundred plus episodes, of all of these amazing
Speaker 1: encounter stories. I think that is important Now. Hopefully sometime
Speaker 1: in the future, like you said, that people will be
Speaker 1: able to look back at that. Yeah, because we're already
Speaker 1: getting the data.
Speaker 2: The thing is, the scientists, Brian can Binge listen to
Speaker 2: your shows. You can get this perspective on what's really
Speaker 2: going on. They can hear the sincerity in the witness.
Speaker 2: I just think it's very important. It's why we just
Speaker 2: started five Minute Witness because I want to do something
Speaker 2: a little more that for all people listen to fine
Speaker 2: of our show. The stuff's important to document because there's
Speaker 2: very few people giving evidence and there's very few people
Speaker 2: collecting it. Okay, So what do you think these things are?
Speaker 2: I know you mentioned it a little bit here. You
Speaker 2: think they're flesh and blood? But get let's go a
Speaker 2: little deeper on that. Do you think they're an indigenous
Speaker 2: etive tribe that somehow is covered with hair? Are they
Speaker 2: a prehistoric man of some sort? What do you think
Speaker 2: they really will end up finding?
Speaker 1: That is such a deep question. I am certainly not
Speaker 1: there to have an answer. I have been back and
Speaker 1: forth on so many different levels with possible candidates for
Speaker 1: these things, and I tried to do that a little
Speaker 1: bit and sasquatch on lease. The truth behind the legend
Speaker 1: is talk about what they could be. Go down the
Speaker 1: list of candidates.
Speaker 3: Well, how about this, let me make it even more complicated.
Speaker 3: Oh please, do I love complicating because you deluded that
Speaker 3: you're still in this camp of flesh and blood? What
Speaker 3: was your best guess when he first got into the podcasting?
Speaker 3: How has that changed? How do you feel now? Best guests?
Speaker 3: And where was it before?
Speaker 1: I was always in some shape, form or fashion, thinking
Speaker 1: some sort of a relic, hominoid of some sort. Right,
Speaker 1: I am farthered down the road now, honestly thanks to
Speaker 1: Matt Pruitt. Matt Pruitt is to blame for this. I
Speaker 1: think Gigantopithecus is probably and not necessarily Gigantopithecus is Blackie.
Speaker 1: But some clade of Gigantopithecus, possibly some sort of a hybrid,
Speaker 1: is even possible for these creatures, because if they were
Speaker 1: to make it to North America, I think they would
Speaker 1: probably be, in my opinion, the best sort of candidate
Speaker 1: for these things. Otherwise, I don't know what to make
Speaker 1: of them, to be honest with you, because nothing explains
Speaker 1: the size different abilities that people claim that they've experienced
Speaker 1: with these creatures. There is nothing, in my opinion, in
Speaker 1: the fossil record, or even possibly outside of the fossil record,
Speaker 1: that would be a perfect candidate for all of those things.
Speaker 1: But Gigantopithecus certainly fits the bill for possible size some behaviors.
Speaker 2: Oh no, mean to interrupt you, but do you think
Speaker 2: it's even possible? What if there's two completely different creatures
Speaker 2: that evolved two different ways from two different early hominids,
Speaker 2: you know, and we could be dealing with that too.
Speaker 1: It's pretty highly unlikely for most people to even conceive
Speaker 1: the fact that there's some sort of giant, hairy hominid
Speaker 1: that's walking around now undiscovered in North America. I think
Speaker 1: it would be even a bridge farther than that to
Speaker 1: think that there is possible Now. I think there are
Speaker 1: possible offshoots or different types of these creatures, because if
Speaker 1: you look at the descriptions across history, and we're talking
Speaker 1: hundreds of years, we're not talking about recent history. But
Speaker 1: if you just look at the last fifty years of
Speaker 1: documented encounters of these things, from the Pacific Northwest down
Speaker 1: to the Everglades in Florida, there are so many different
Speaker 1: types of creatures described. Can you attribute a lot of
Speaker 1: that or some would say even most of that to
Speaker 1: us being fallible? I wit sure, because under stress and
Speaker 1: high stress situations, people see things that may not be
Speaker 1: entirely accurate. But I think by and large, if you
Speaker 1: just look at the physical descriptions of these things start
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest and then work your way east,
Speaker 1: they change drastically in some cases, size, different colors, different
Speaker 1: facial features, different arm links, you name it. It runs
Speaker 1: the gambit.
Speaker 2: How often do you hear Brian a reddish browner than
Speaker 2: a ranting colored like the color of your logo. Do
Speaker 2: you hear that often or do you mainly hear black?
Speaker 1: I hear that quite often, actually reddish brown, rust colored brown,
Speaker 1: specifically in the eastern southeastern United States for the part.
Speaker 2: Is it just me or does this seem like it's
Speaker 2: changed in the last five six years? Look, I'm hearing
Speaker 2: more and more of these auburn colored.
Speaker 1: Bigfoots right less black, less dark brown, more of this
Speaker 1: rust colored cinnamon kind of read. Yep, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I've seen the trend as well.
Speaker 2: How what do we attribute that to?
Speaker 1: Is it some sort of adaptation that's happening over the
Speaker 1: last say, five decades, or is it something else?
Speaker 2: Is it environmental?
Speaker 1: Is it something that's just happening in the psyche of
Speaker 1: people because they're hearing those descriptions somehow that morphs its
Speaker 1: way into their experience because they've heard that on shows
Speaker 1: like mine. Because we have to be honest, That's why
Speaker 1: I wrote a huge amount in the book about that
Speaker 1: bigfoot in pop culture, what that does to the stories,
Speaker 1: how that impacts people's brains when they have experiences genuine
Speaker 1: or not. There's plenty of genuine experiences that people have,
Speaker 1: but those things influence us. If you listened to every
Speaker 1: episode of my show or Wes's show, or everything you
Speaker 1: can get on Bigfoot, it's going to impact the way
Speaker 1: that you experience things when it actually happens to you
Speaker 1: in real life. I think there's a combination and a
Speaker 1: culmination of all those things that really affect those things.
Speaker 1: But physically, is it an adaptation? Is it something that's
Speaker 1: happening over the evolution of these things. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I've certainly I've noticed it as well. You'll still
Speaker 1: get those accounts of this thing was jet black. It
Speaker 1: was blacker than black, it was dark brown. But by
Speaker 1: and large, there's a lot more people that are coming
Speaker 1: forward and they're seeing this sort of reddish brown, cinnamon red.
Speaker 2: I just swear to God, back in the old days,
Speaker 2: all I heard it was black. No, I'm hearing auburn.
Speaker 2: Cal I'm like, what the hell is going on? It's strange, strange,
Speaker 2: And do you wonder about that? I don't know, whatever
Speaker 2: you would think auburn would actually blend in better? What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on that? Here? A hunter, do you
Speaker 2: think it would be harder to see an auburn colored
Speaker 2: Bigfoot or a jet black bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Certainly in the autumn when the leaves are changing, it
Speaker 1: would be perfect camouflage in this area here in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: If I walked out right now and there was something
Speaker 1: that was cinnamon colored or auburn colored, it could blend
Speaker 1: in easily in the woods here because just about every
Speaker 1: leaf is that reddish brown tint because they're changing and
Speaker 1: they're falling off the trees. But in other times of
Speaker 1: the year, yeah, it would probably even make sense then,
Speaker 1: versus something that's just completely jet black, like a black
Speaker 1: bear sticks out. If you see a black bear in
Speaker 1: the middle of the woods in the summer, everything's green
Speaker 1: and then boom, there's this big black mass.
Speaker 2: It just sticks out.
Speaker 1: So it would make sense to me that they would
Speaker 1: probably be able to blend in a lot better if
Speaker 1: they were something other than just jet black.
Speaker 2: The batmm made a really interesting comment, Is it possible
Speaker 2: our sun is a little stronger and these creatures are
Speaker 2: getting bleached out? Who's to say she's wrong exactly? That
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Our hair changes, our skin tone changes. If the more
Speaker 1: time you're expose to the sun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always felt the sun is getting stronger myself.
Speaker 2: It just goes grasping at straws. But I'd swear to God,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing things get baked. Ropes on my dock get
Speaker 2: disintegrated in two weeks. Sometimes nylon ropes. I've never seen
Speaker 2: that before. They get like hard as a rock and baked.
Speaker 2: I've seen those vinyl long window blinds, brain, I've seen
Speaker 2: those getting baked like you put them up and they've
Speaker 2: been on that course. Could be that cheaper materials are
Speaker 2: being used nowadays. But I'm seeing more and more baked
Speaker 2: plastic outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just cheap plastic. I don't think
Speaker 1: the sun's getting shit. You could be right, But Daniel
Speaker 1: says in the Chatty's talking about Scott Carpenter has a
Speaker 1: picture of a white one. I've interviewed probably three people
Speaker 1: out of five hundred episodes of the show that have
Speaker 1: claimed to have seen a white sasquatch, and it seems
Speaker 1: to be the ones that I recall immediately. I know
Speaker 1: at least two out of the three that were in
Speaker 1: the seventies when this happened, and they were in North Carolina. Actually,
Speaker 1: the witness that I'm thinking of in particular saw a
Speaker 1: white one in the early seventies, early to mid seventies
Speaker 1: here in North Carolina, and that makes no sense to me.
Speaker 1: Whatsoever a white creature here, I want to interrupt.
Speaker 2: Is this important? Otherwise I want to forget. If you
Speaker 2: see infrared footage of a white bigfoot, chances are it's
Speaker 2: fake fur, because any fake fur looks white under infrared
Speaker 2: light at night. Nighttime footage white bigfoot because it's just
Speaker 2: the dyes produce a phosphorescent glow at night. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that white ones don't exist, but I'm always suspicious
Speaker 2: at night when I see.
Speaker 3: Have you heard of white ones being seen in places?
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of snow.
Speaker 1: Definitely not in North Carolina. Just a white bigfoot in
Speaker 1: general doesn't make sense to me. It would have to
Speaker 1: be some sort of a mutation. Then you think about,
Speaker 1: how could a seven eight foot tall bipedal harry hominid
Speaker 1: avoid detection even in the best of scenarios, if it
Speaker 1: were completely white, it would be almost impossible to do. Again,
Speaker 1: not saying it's not possible, but it would be highly
Speaker 1: improbable that way.
Speaker 3: So how clearly did they see the white ones?
Speaker 2: Apparently? Oh, he saw it very clearly.
Speaker 1: He was probably thirty feet away with a group of friends.
Speaker 1: They were teenagers out playing hide and seek in the woods.
Speaker 1: This thing was standing thirty feet away from them, shaking
Speaker 1: a tree. It was pissed off. It was dark, but
Speaker 1: it was lit, so he could make it out pretty clearly.
Speaker 1: According to him, it was definitely right. Someone said, an albino, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would definitely have to be some sort of a mutation.
Speaker 2: I would think. Yeah, there's a lot of evidence of
Speaker 2: pretty much every mammal. It can be born with white
Speaker 2: lack of pigment in there here. They don't even need
Speaker 2: to be an albino to be white. That's that. There's
Speaker 2: another word. I can't think of it right now. We
Speaker 2: showed that raven Alex, Remember that raven that was white? Yeah,
Speaker 2: not an albino had blue eyes, so who knows. But
Speaker 2: their hair is a little different. I studied all the
Speaker 2: time because it's like it wants to tell me something.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it's definitely got
Speaker 2: almost all of the ones I have, and the one
Speaker 2: I even collected up at Smell is hollow. Doesn't have
Speaker 2: that modulla inside, seems almost hollow inside, like a polar
Speaker 2: bear hair. You wonder if the sunlight could effect and
Speaker 2: bleach out a darker creature. What darker hair. If you
Speaker 2: take a person with black hair and you add bleach
Speaker 2: to it, which stimulates sun, turns reddish. So there you go.
Speaker 2: All right, just solve the mystery. There you go, folks,
Speaker 2: another topic, but it's one to think about. Everybody. Just
Speaker 2: be aware. Auburn bigfoot seem to be more common. So
Speaker 2: do you think that they're dangerous? What are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that? You think it's possible they are snatching a
Speaker 2: hiker now and then or a person.
Speaker 3: Like missing for on one? Do you think they're responsible
Speaker 3: for a lot of disappearances state parks, stuff like that?
Speaker 2: Are they responsible for any disappearance?
Speaker 1: I think it's highly probable that they are. Because they
Speaker 1: are animals. They're just like people. That's like saying, is
Speaker 1: it possible that people kill people? Yeah, yeah, tons of
Speaker 1: people kill people every year. I think they're just like
Speaker 1: people in that aspect. I think there could be rogue bigfoot,
Speaker 1: that could be hungry bigfoot.
Speaker 3: It's not so much a regular thing, like not most
Speaker 3: people aren't murderers, but obviously as a percentage there's violent people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say it's probably less probable that you're
Speaker 1: going to have a run in with a bigfoot that's
Speaker 1: going to drag you into the woods. Then you're going
Speaker 1: to run into a bad person who's going to give
Speaker 1: you problems in the woods. But I certainly think again
Speaker 1: it's probable, because I think these things are animals, and
Speaker 1: if they are as powerful as I think they are,
Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine to eight percent of all the
Speaker 1: encounter stories that we hear are very benign, right, They're
Speaker 1: very mundane.
Speaker 2: Run of the day.
Speaker 1: I ran across them. They were running away from me.
Speaker 1: They were trying to get away. They're trying to be unseen.
Speaker 1: That kind of thing. Only a few people here and
Speaker 1: there you hear. These things are seeking out people. They're
Speaker 1: looking in windows, they're right next to people in the woods,
Speaker 1: They're coming up. They seem to be pushing the boundaries
Speaker 1: in some cases. Yeah, certainly, I think there's probably some
Speaker 1: scenarios where people have not fared well against these things.
Speaker 1: I know you guys have had Fred roll on from Alaska.
Speaker 2: I feature a.
Speaker 1: Lot of the stories that's Red tells from Alaska. Just
Speaker 1: about without fail, every type of encounter up there is
Speaker 1: a negative one in that area. It seems to be
Speaker 1: very isolated. It's not the expanse of all Alaska, but
Speaker 1: there's this certain area that these things seem to be
Speaker 1: very aggressive and territorial. I think that makes sense in
Speaker 1: a lot of cases. I think that they're probably protecting resources.
Speaker 1: They're acting like a bear would. I think they're very similar.
Speaker 1: That's the best comparison that I can come up with
Speaker 1: in known animals to say they're probably very much like
Speaker 1: a black bear or a brain. They've got to protect
Speaker 1: their resources. They're gonna protect their young, they're gonna protect
Speaker 1: their territory if you cross the line and you don't
Speaker 1: obey their warning signs. And I do think with sasquatch
Speaker 1: there are a lot of warning signs. I think the
Speaker 1: vocalizations are a warning sign. I think these woodknock noises,
Speaker 1: whether they're made with vocal cords or their mouth or whatever,
Speaker 1: I think those are warnings. I certainly think rock throwing
Speaker 1: is a warning. It's something that people need to pay
Speaker 1: attention to. If you fail to do all of those
Speaker 1: things and you keep encroaching, or you do the wrong things,
Speaker 1: very much like a bear, you're gonna end up dead.
Speaker 1: I think that's a possibility with Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: By the way that word Eric and Flat Rock, it's lucistic.
Speaker 2: Lucistic is a non albinome blonde genetic difference because I
Speaker 2: would think albinos would have more problem with their eyes
Speaker 2: where lucistic animals do. Not makes sense. So thank you
Speaker 2: Eric and Rock.
Speaker 1: God you have a smart audience. They're amazing.
Speaker 3: They are incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna leave it at that. They're smarter
Speaker 2: than Alex. Doesn't I'm just kidding. Oh, I was gonna
Speaker 2: mention too. And David, if you get a moment, Alex
Speaker 2: send David a lank for tonight, and David towards the
Speaker 2: end of the show tonight will play those sounds are
Speaker 2: recording up at snell.
Speaker 1: Ooh, very cool.
Speaker 2: If you hang on till I get a little deeper here,
Speaker 2: we'll play him. If David's willing, If he's still with us, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there is, he's still here. I'm sure he'd be happy
Speaker 2: to play those. This whole mystery is maddening, but it's
Speaker 2: also I think certainly enhanced my life beyond I can't
Speaker 2: even describe it. Don't you feel the same way, Brian.
Speaker 2: We're a lot alike in that way that we work
Speaker 2: full time on this. Don't you think it's enhanced your
Speaker 2: life in a whole bunch of ways.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, First and foremost, it is with the people that
Speaker 1: I have met because of this subject. I've said that
Speaker 1: to you and Alex and Blaine it before. That's the
Speaker 1: most important thing to me is the relationships that I've
Speaker 1: built because of this. People that I would have never
Speaker 1: met or have never gotten the pleasure of knowing and
Speaker 1: calling friends happened.
Speaker 2: Because of the subject.
Speaker 1: Now, the people that I grew up entertained by or
Speaker 1: fascinating by your work, Monster Quest, watching Cliff Kevin Bobo
Speaker 1: on television, now being able to call people like that friends.
Speaker 1: It's amazing to have the resources just to reach out
Speaker 1: and brainstorm. We've done that in the past. You've called
Speaker 1: me about things, I've called you about things I do
Speaker 1: that with Cliff. It is fascinating the things that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known otherwise. This has just opened up so
Speaker 1: many doors for me. And it truly always comes back
Speaker 1: to the people. Being able to travel the world and
Speaker 1: see the people that I've met connect over this subject
Speaker 1: to that just otherwise wouldn't have happened, has been amazing.
Speaker 2: I don't care what anybody says ninety nine point ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent of everybody I've ever met, there's just amazing,
Speaker 2: wonderful people. They are most people.
Speaker 1: Looting Brian, yes, but that's debatable. The jury still out
Speaker 1: on me. But everybody else that I have.
Speaker 2: Met has been fantastic. Yes, And I think the topic
Speaker 2: brings people together. I'll ever forget it. When we were
Speaker 2: at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, some guy came into the buffet.
Speaker 2: He just yelled as lowsycuse. He goes, I'm finally with
Speaker 2: my people. I thought, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how I felt. We got to hang out
Speaker 1: after the conference. It was phenomenal. Cliff called me up
Speaker 1: and said, hey, man, are you coming to the Ohio
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Conference. I was like, no, I've never done it.
Speaker 1: But he was like, come hang out with me when
Speaker 1: in my booth and we'll sell your books. Obviously, Cliff
Speaker 1: wrote the forward to my book, so he was like,
Speaker 1: come on, you'll sell books, and you can help me
Speaker 1: with my booth and we'll hang out. I stood there
Speaker 1: for eight hours, sandwiched between Cliff Barrickman and Matt Pruitt.
Speaker 1: I think my IQ went up like seventy five points
Speaker 1: that day, just standing between them. It was just through osmosis.
Speaker 1: It was freaking phenomenal. The people that came up to
Speaker 1: the booth, it's amazing. And we went and had dinner
Speaker 1: afterwards and hung out. Mark does a fantastic job with that.
Speaker 1: It was amazing to go out and hang out with
Speaker 1: you guys the night before, just the conversation. I literally
Speaker 1: stood there and talked to you, Alex and Blaine for
Speaker 1: an hour or more and just had the best time.
Speaker 2: It was more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was way more folks, way more. It seemed
Speaker 1: like only an hour because it was so much fun.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just an amazing experience. I felt
Speaker 1: so connected to everybody. And where else can you do that.
Speaker 1: You're standing around jaw jacking with Doug Hijack, the Man,
Speaker 1: Alex himself, click Berrickman. You've got Jeff Meldrum milling around
Speaker 1: eating a hot dog. It doesn't get any better than that.
Speaker 1: And it's all because of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: It's an amazing thing. Man, It's the best thing I've
Speaker 2: ever done in my life. Oh I remember is I
Speaker 2: had a few beers and all of a sudden, Marcos,
Speaker 2: you need to come in and sign two hundred banners,
Speaker 2: which I'm sure you had to do.
Speaker 1: You remember that was that before or after he was
Speaker 1: doing his sarmiento?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was priceless. Yes, I think my
Speaker 2: pants and Mark can do Esteban sermiantos.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Estebon is such a great guy. I talked to him
Speaker 2: the other day. I was asking him about the apricrine
Speaker 2: glands under primate's armpits have a little different type of
Speaker 2: land than we do, although we have some of those
Speaker 2: two but not the quantity. And I was asking him
Speaker 2: whether would that substance that comes out of there, could
Speaker 2: that be spread on objects as a territorial marker. He
Speaker 2: hadn't really thought about it, but he goes, yeah, absolutely
Speaker 2: smells I'm potent. And I'm like, okay, that's it. Goodbye.
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing. Esteban.
Speaker 1: What what do you think about the smell, Doug, Because
Speaker 1: that's something that when I first got into Bigfoot, that
Speaker 1: was something that I thought was just synonymous with these things,
Speaker 1: but it's really, in my experience, only been about fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty percent of the documented encounters. Do you think
Speaker 1: it's an environmental thing. Do you think it has to
Speaker 1: do with this gland? What is your thoughts on where's
Speaker 1: the smell coming from.
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent convinced because of an experiment that
Speaker 2: we ran that they can produce it at will. We
Speaker 2: did something to irritate them, and we got sprayed. We
Speaker 2: walked quarter a mile, did something to irritate them a
Speaker 2: little bit, got sprayed. I call it sprayed. But we
Speaker 2: got a whole bunch of us together and did something
Speaker 2: else and they stopped. We did that, I don't know
Speaker 2: five times, and I've just got a little more convinced
Speaker 2: that they can produce it at will because that was
Speaker 2: my first experience with a big put sitting on a
Speaker 2: deer stand, going out there in the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: really amazing area. Then the stink going from the most
Speaker 2: fresh area could ever smell to Oh my god, a
Speaker 2: dead zombie just walked into the scene. Much smell like
Speaker 2: rotten flesh, dog poop. Everything was just horrid. It's bad.
Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, I think they produce it. I
Speaker 2: think they're actually very clean. I think they're extremely clean.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a smell that they just naturally
Speaker 2: have they do it when they're irritated.
Speaker 1: I've always thought it was more at least maybe in
Speaker 1: some places like the Everglades, Florida, really humid places here
Speaker 1: like in the southeastern United States, that it might be
Speaker 1: something that was more environmental because they're not necessarily bathing.
Speaker 2: Let's stop right there. I spent ten days in the
Speaker 2: jungles and belize I've never sweated so much in my life.
Speaker 2: On the summertime I was down there working for Discovery Channel,
Speaker 2: I just kept jumping in the river. Pan who cares?
Speaker 2: Just constantly jumping in the river every chance I got
Speaker 2: jumped in the river because they will just refresh you.
Speaker 2: I would think they spend a lot of time in
Speaker 2: the water, and they're actually quite clo No, I don't
Speaker 2: think I'd go over forty minutes without jumping in some
Speaker 2: river again or a creek just to stay fresh, felt cool,
Speaker 2: felt good. So I don't know, But yeah, I used
Speaker 2: to think that too. I agree. I used to think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe they just think but who wants to feel irritated?
Speaker 2: You are when you be sweat. Do you think they're
Speaker 2: any different? It's just irritating sweat in your eyes? No,
Speaker 2: I think that they swim a lot. I think they
Speaker 2: take a lot of depth, and it's one reason they're
Speaker 2: very close to water. Is that a question you ask
Speaker 2: I want to ask you that. If you don't, you should,
Speaker 2: But how far was the sighting from water?
Speaker 1: It's not a typical thing that I ask during people's encounters,
Speaker 1: but you're right, I should probably ask that more often.
Speaker 1: But it would make sense to your point that if
Speaker 1: they're able to produce that scent for whatever reason in
Speaker 1: high stress situations, it would actually make more sense that
Speaker 1: was the case versus it being an environmental thing, because
Speaker 1: if it were simply environmentally, you'd think it would be
Speaker 1: in more like eighty percent of the cases versus twenty percent,
Speaker 1: because most of the environments are the same when people
Speaker 1: have these encounters. So yeah, maybe they're just not as stressed,
Speaker 1: or they're not producing that smell, or it takes another
Speaker 1: level of encounter for them to do that. Then I
Speaker 1: guess that would make more sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you go from the freshest air in the world. Okay,
Speaker 2: here's a great story, try to make it really short.
Speaker 2: We were on horseback in the San Croz Valley, riding
Speaker 2: horses through We had ridden through this trail we were investigating.
Speaker 2: I was filming, and everything's normal, the airs just as
Speaker 2: fresh as it could be. And then we're coming back
Speaker 2: on the same trail we'd already gone down, and now
Speaker 2: it stinks all Mike, we're just being blasted and we're
Speaker 2: trying to ride a horse hold in your shirt pasture nos.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden we come across a coyote
Speaker 2: lane in the middle of the trail that had its
Speaker 2: back broken. It was very much alive. You could see
Speaker 2: the handprints on it. You could literally it was very
Speaker 2: it was blinking, it was alive, no blood, but its
Speaker 2: spine was clearly pulled apart, wow, snap and put there.
Speaker 2: So there was somebody that was I don't know if
Speaker 2: you'd call it warning, trying to intimidate us to get
Speaker 2: out of there. I don't know. But those two things together,
Speaker 2: is that coincidence, Brian, I'm thinking probably not. Oh, and
Speaker 2: then a guy gets a rock thrown at him too,
Speaker 2: one of the guys.
Speaker 1: That's a whole other level of totality of circumstances.
Speaker 2: So you just have to wonder. You have to go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that smell was so bad, I named it doesn't
Speaker 2: caught on yet. But I call it putris scene because
Speaker 2: that is a chemical that rotting corpse is given off.
Speaker 2: It's caused by bacteria that produced this sulfur like stinky.
Speaker 2: It's the smell of rotting flesh. And the actual chemical
Speaker 2: name is putres scene. So I like to call the
Speaker 2: sauce squatch stained sasquatch futuracy. I think it's definitely just
Speaker 2: chemical reaction that they're putting off, probably coming out of
Speaker 2: their pits or some other glands they may have in
Speaker 2: their body. But boy, it's bad.
Speaker 3: It would make sense to get people to leave the area.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they could stand themselves, but.
Speaker 3: Almost like a skunk, yeah exactly, Yeah they spread it
Speaker 3: or who knows, nothing wants to be around it.
Speaker 2: But don't you think that'll be Okay, Let's say there
Speaker 2: was a big foot on the table and only I
Speaker 2: add it to in my garage. Let's just pretend Brian
Speaker 2: and I call you up and I go, I got
Speaker 2: a bigfoot on my table. What questions do you ask me? Quickly?
Speaker 1: Can I get a flight to Minnesota?
Speaker 2: That would be well, okay, I get that, but what
Speaker 2: are you going to ask? So you get ten questions.
Speaker 2: What are you going to ask me? It's just laying there.
Speaker 2: I can do whatever I want to it. Let's say
Speaker 2: it's tranquilized, okay, would he ask me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the first thing I would say is
Speaker 1: have you taken fingerprints? Because that's the whole thing I've
Speaker 1: been doing recently. I'm actually going to put out an
Speaker 1: episode of Sasquatch out to sy here in the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks about the dermal ridges and some of
Speaker 1: those casts from back in the eighties with Paul Freeman,
Speaker 1: because I'm not so convinced about the dermal ridge thing.
Speaker 1: That's a whole another conversation for another day, but that
Speaker 1: would be the first.
Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, but we all have friction ridges on our hands,
Speaker 2: our feet. We couldn't function without it. What's your take
Speaker 2: on it? Yeah, we want to hear it. Why do
Speaker 2: you think that something couldn't transfer those?
Speaker 1: I think it's possible to transfer them. I've read and
Speaker 1: seen other things about those dermal ridges possibly being some
Speaker 1: sort of effect from oh, a plaster exactly. I'm middle
Speaker 1: of the road on that. Darryl Collier wrote an amazing
Speaker 1: article back in I think it was two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven that I read just recently goes in depth. He
Speaker 1: really is very convincing. When it comes to the dermal ridges.
Speaker 1: There was that guy, his name escapes me. He actually
Speaker 1: went to several Bigfoot conferences with some faked dermal ridge cast.
Speaker 1: You probably know who I'm talking about. Does I think
Speaker 1: he was actually made Bigfoot of the Year, But he's
Speaker 1: still on those casts and Bigfoot times. But there were
Speaker 1: artifacts that he was able to recreate that very much
Speaker 1: simulated those dermal ridges, So that would be the first question.
Speaker 1: I would want to see the fingerprints from this thing.
Speaker 2: But here's the question. In order to get a dormal
Speaker 2: ridges and a cast, you have to first transfer that
Speaker 2: information into the soil. So you're gonna need a very
Speaker 2: fine volcanic ash. That's not gonna happen in sand. Friction
Speaker 2: ridges are too fine to ever be transferred into sand,
Speaker 2: So it could happen with black dirt, maybe in mud,
Speaker 2: but I just don't think dirt of any kind is
Speaker 2: going to be really good at transferring that type of detail.
Speaker 2: But I've got a cast that definitely I think has
Speaker 2: plaster artifacts look like they could be dermals. But I
Speaker 2: also have one from harry Ford track that in the middle.
Speaker 2: That's not a plaster artifact of no way. Most of
Speaker 2: those artifacts happen as expansion joints on the edge of
Speaker 2: a casting, not in the middle. You deal with those
Speaker 2: same kind of expansion joints in rubber and in plastic,
Speaker 2: any kind of material like that's going from soft to hard,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get those kind of things. So if you
Speaker 2: know what to look for, it's really not that big
Speaker 2: of a deal. But what I'm interested are those waxy,
Speaker 2: really detailed fingerprints that Angie has gotten down in Ohio.
Speaker 2: Many other people have collected all over those really detailed
Speaker 2: waxy handprints. You cannot fake those. There's so much detail.
Speaker 2: You can see the microscopic sweatports if you photograph. There's
Speaker 2: no doubt these creatures have dermals. Every animal, everything born
Speaker 2: has got dermals on it.
Speaker 1: I want to address something Digger Dog said about yeah,
Speaker 1: six or seven minutes ago. He's talking about apes can't
Speaker 1: swim and they retain their stink all the time. Apes
Speaker 1: actually can swim. Digger you listen to Sasquatch out to say,
Speaker 1: we had an primatologist on a while bine and we
Speaker 1: answered that question. They actually can't. Most apes don't get
Speaker 1: into deep water and actually swim because they don't like
Speaker 1: dark water because of the possibility of crocodiles and other predators.
Speaker 1: But they are able to swim. Yeah, I guess my
Speaker 1: second question for you would be this, I am fascinated
Speaker 1: with the teeth of these creatures because you hear accounts
Speaker 1: about big blockie like these tic tac kind of blocky teeth.
Speaker 1: You also hear about pronounced canines, in some cases very
Speaker 1: sharp teeth when they bare their teeth. I would definitely
Speaker 1: want to see some photographs of the teeth.
Speaker 2: I know you've heard them as well. Doug, Well, look
Speaker 2: at people. Some people have very pronounced canines, some people
Speaker 2: don't have any. That doesn't mean much. Look at the
Speaker 2: differences in people's mouths.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's regional?
Speaker 2: Do you think they're different subspecies?
Speaker 1: I think subspecies. I think that's a bridge too far
Speaker 1: from me for these things, because again, it would indicate
Speaker 1: that there's multiple species of these undiscovered hominids or hominoids.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense to me. I think it
Speaker 1: could be a regional adaptation certainly, but how long does
Speaker 1: it take for those to happen? Over the course of
Speaker 1: these things evolving.
Speaker 3: We look at how different even just people are.
Speaker 1: But by and large, here's the thing. There are people
Speaker 1: with more pronounced canines, but people there are don't typically
Speaker 1: look like vampire Stracula.
Speaker 2: We don't have Dracula.
Speaker 1: Walking around bram Stoker's Dracula, the Interview of the Vampire Draculas,
Speaker 1: whatever Dracula you're thinking of. By and large, people's teeth
Speaker 1: are very similar. If they're mains, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: they're blockier, they're human type teeth. So it's just fascinating
Speaker 1: to me that some people say this thing bared its
Speaker 1: teeth or growd and showed its teeth. They were very ominous.
Speaker 1: I think that goes back to typically humans and eyewitnesses
Speaker 1: are very fallible. You get into those situations, your high stress,
Speaker 1: your body's producing cortisol, you're on an adrenaline dump. Things
Speaker 1: don't often look the same as they actually are. I've
Speaker 1: said it recently on another podcast when I was a guest.
Speaker 1: We were talking about how I don't think typically it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense for anything, even bigfoot sasquatch, to be
Speaker 1: twelve feet tall. That's not a common description, but I've
Speaker 1: heard it multiple times from people. This thing was twelve
Speaker 1: feet tall. We went back and measured the tree. Think
Speaker 1: of Robert Wadlow. I think he still probably is one
Speaker 1: of the tallest, if not the tallest, documented person on earth.
Speaker 1: He walked with a cane since he was a teenager
Speaker 1: because his body, the skeletal structure just wasn't built for
Speaker 1: that height and that weight. It just doesn't work anatomically.
Speaker 3: So and he was only like nine feet.
Speaker 2: Alex is going to be booking a kid that's got
Speaker 2: the biggest feet. They're like twenty four inches long. Wow,
Speaker 2: and he's like almost eight He's like just crazy and
Speaker 2: he doesn't have any of those pituitary issues apparently. Really
Speaker 2: he's just naturally this big. I mean, Alex is working
Speaker 2: on getting them on our show. Super neat kid, super smart.
Speaker 2: So there are cases of big people that are pretty athletic.
Speaker 2: Good a moose, they have an handler's that go horizontally.
Speaker 2: Oh the hell do they walk through the woods with
Speaker 2: a nine foot span of horns when I can barely
Speaker 2: get through and I only I've only got eighteen inches
Speaker 2: of profile.
Speaker 1: But I think what happens a lot of times and
Speaker 1: eyewitness testimony when it comes to encounters with bigfoot. I think,
Speaker 1: just my pain, I could be completely wrong here. I
Speaker 1: think these things are mostly between six and a half
Speaker 1: to seven and a half feet tall. I think it's
Speaker 1: that syndrome where you go into a bar, you maybe
Speaker 1: have one too many, you say something smart to the
Speaker 1: guy next to you, you beat your ass, and you
Speaker 1: go and tell your friends the next day, they're like, man,
Speaker 1: how'd you get that black eye?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: I got into it with the guy at the bar.
Speaker 2: He was huge.
Speaker 1: He was six point seven and three hundred pounds, when
Speaker 1: in the actuality, the guy who beat you up was
Speaker 1: five foot seven and weigh one hundred and twenty five pounds.
Speaker 1: He just happened to have a fourth degree black belt
Speaker 1: in taekwondo. All the things that went into that butt
Speaker 1: whooping that you got made you think he was six
Speaker 1: foot seven and three hundred pounds. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: when you have experiences. I think in a lot of cases,
Speaker 1: when people have eyewitness experiences and encounters with these things,
Speaker 1: they may be six and a half feet tall, and
Speaker 1: then by the time you get home and tell the story,
Speaker 1: it was nine feet tall and it was eight hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds. No it might have actually been four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty, right, and stay tuned for more sasquatch
Speaker 1: out to sea. We'll be right back after the east messages.
Speaker 2: My father in laws like over seven foot. My son
Speaker 2: in law is about seven foot. Both of them are
Speaker 2: extremely athletic, like really athletic. Look at Shack. He's a
Speaker 2: prime example. I don't know. Yeah, Shack is, but he
Speaker 2: doesn't have any problem. He didn't walk with a keene.
Speaker 1: He's enormous, and he was a very athletic, successful basketball player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can only imagine somebody had mentioned apes
Speaker 2: don't swim. I don't think they're apes. They may have
Speaker 2: ape like qualities. Just because you have hair all over
Speaker 2: you doesn't mean you're an ape. It really doesn't. If
Speaker 2: you take any of us and just covered us in hair,
Speaker 2: we would look pretty ape like, right, It wouldn't look
Speaker 2: very human. I think they're more human than ape, but
Speaker 2: they definitely have a lot of hair that obviously aids
Speaker 2: in their survival, don't you agree, Brian, mosquito's biting you
Speaker 2: on our bear of skin.
Speaker 1: The hair is the best defense against mosquitoes.
Speaker 2: I have really thick hair, and I don't remember ever
Speaker 2: getting bit in my scalp. Ever, I just don't because
Speaker 2: they can't get through it all. Somebody said if I
Speaker 2: put my wig on, I'm like, no, I don't have
Speaker 2: a wig. They just got thick air. And now mosquito's
Speaker 2: ever gotten through it either, So hair is a big protector.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was one of the questions I did
Speaker 2: want to ask you. How do you think they deal
Speaker 2: with parasites. I don't know anything about Georgia or North
Speaker 2: Carolina or in those states as far as wood ticks,
Speaker 2: because I've never gotten one there, but I know in
Speaker 2: Minnesota you can walk ten feet and be covered with
Speaker 2: hundreds of them. Do you have any ideas and how
Speaker 2: they deal with the parasites, mosquitoes, wood ticks?
Speaker 1: We have tons of ticks during the summer here in
Speaker 1: North Carolina.
Speaker 2: You go out, you walk the dog, do you though,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, explain it to us, because I'm just not
Speaker 2: familiar with it. How bad are they?
Speaker 1: They're pretty bad in the summer. We have three dogs,
Speaker 1: and every time I will go out and walk the dogs,
Speaker 1: we bring them in and we try to brush them
Speaker 1: and make sure they don't have any ticks on them.
Speaker 1: I've gone to bed after taking a shower and getting
Speaker 1: ready for bed at night and you fill something crawling
Speaker 1: on you and it's a tick. So they're everywhere in
Speaker 1: the South. But I think the best defense against that
Speaker 1: is the hair number one. But ticks don't care about hair.
Speaker 1: But the best thing that you can do is have
Speaker 1: a thumb right, because you can pick the ticks off
Speaker 1: of you. Dogs don't have the ability to do that.
Speaker 1: Cats don't have the ability. Other animals don't have the
Speaker 1: ability to do that. So if it were a tick situation,
Speaker 1: they would be able to just take them off just
Speaker 1: like we would, right they have the meat, or exactly.
Speaker 2: They would groom each other.
Speaker 1: I would imagine exactly, very similar to chimps, guerrillas, and
Speaker 1: other primates that we see known animals. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's the other question, like internal parasites and eating things
Speaker 1: and drinking water that may not be the cleanest and
Speaker 1: dealing with those kind of things. I think it would
Speaker 1: be very much like indigenous people or people who live
Speaker 1: off the land. Now you use natural herbs, they would
Speaker 1: be very familiar with what to eat for them, this
Speaker 1: ailment and that ailment. That's my opinion. I think they
Speaker 1: would be smart enough to do that and use what
Speaker 1: was at their disposal naturally to deal with maybe those
Speaker 1: kind of parasites. Maybe there's even something they could rub
Speaker 1: on themselves that would act as a deterrent for ticks
Speaker 1: and mosquitoes.
Speaker 2: In fact, that was one of the questions I forgot
Speaker 2: to bring up. I asked Estabon about gland secretions because
Speaker 2: there was a new scientific paper that says they take
Speaker 2: it from their pits and they rub it on their
Speaker 2: bare skin and it helps soften their skin, keep it
Speaker 2: protected and protects against insects. And I went, ooh, that's
Speaker 2: a pretty new scientific paper. It's under a year old.
Speaker 2: I asked Testabon about that, and he said, one, gorillas
Speaker 2: generally will try to bend down in areas where there
Speaker 2: isn't mosquitoes, there are less ticks, but that this gland
Speaker 2: secretion really could help repel Maybe that could explain why
Speaker 2: they have switched a junk on their hands, is maybe
Speaker 2: they're spreading it on them to repel insects. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's whole bunch of diarrhea theories, but it makes sense.
Speaker 2: If it makes sense, are it's definitely worth exploring. But
Speaker 2: do you ponder would you wonder about crap like that,
Speaker 2: Like I do stay awake at night going I wonder
Speaker 2: how do they keep their butt clean? How do they
Speaker 2: trim their fingernails? Do they chew their fingernails off? Do
Speaker 2: they just wear off? Do they have really long, ugly fingernails?
Speaker 2: Do you ever wonder about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the old what was it? Saturday Night Live?
Speaker 1: Things that make you.
Speaker 2: Go See, I was wondering if you know about the
Speaker 2: big foot of my garage, because to me, I would
Speaker 2: be like looking at its eyes and I'd be like
Speaker 2: looking at its ears and trying to really look at
Speaker 2: physiology in these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be fascinating to me, because I tell
Speaker 1: you one of the things that has stuck out to
Speaker 1: me over the years. So many times I've talked to
Speaker 1: people that have told me about the self luminescent eyes.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I can't get into a whole lot of detail.
Speaker 1: I won't even wait into the world because I'm under
Speaker 1: an ndaight and I can't really talk about some of
Speaker 1: the experiences I've had recently because of the documentary I'm
Speaker 1: involved in. Okay, I've had experiences that would push me
Speaker 1: in the direction of being more open to the fact
Speaker 1: that people are seeing self luminescent eyes. I have a
Speaker 1: zero explanation for that, because I always thought it was
Speaker 1: a bunch of hooey, or there was something else going on,
Speaker 1: some other phenomenon or something that they were missing. But
Speaker 1: I tell you there's something to it. It makes no
Speaker 1: sense to me whatsoever. Physiologically, there's nothing that makes sense
Speaker 1: about it. But people are having that experience. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to make of that.
Speaker 2: I think it makes perfect sense. Here's why humans are
Speaker 2: the only mammals that have self illuminating cells in our eyes.
Speaker 2: We have some leftover in our eyes. We have six
Speaker 2: in each eye, leftover that produce light. And they've now
Speaker 2: photographed it. They can see it. They go into these
Speaker 2: super dark rooms and they put in the act can
Speaker 2: see the illumination coming off our eyes. So let's go
Speaker 2: back one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, a million years.
Speaker 2: It may be just a trait that we lost. We
Speaker 2: don't know whether Neanderthals had self eliminating eyes, right, we
Speaker 2: don't have any of their flash. Really, we don't have
Speaker 2: these little protein cells. When nature there's plenty of bioluminescence
Speaker 2: in protein cells. It does happen. Look at squid. If
Speaker 2: bacteria can.
Speaker 1: Do it, so can bigfoot. Damn it.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things I'm not that puzzled over, actually,
Speaker 2: only because every time I think, oh, that's really a
Speaker 2: weird thing. But then you read a scientific report about
Speaker 2: humans producing light out of their eyes, and I'm like, eh,
Speaker 2: that makes sense too. Maybe picture us, maybe when we
Speaker 2: had little LEDs. How handy would that be if we
Speaker 2: could project a dim light out of her eyes in
Speaker 2: the dark.
Speaker 1: I can tell you it is very freaky to see him.
Speaker 1: It's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen them
Speaker 1: all life.
Speaker 2: I saw it one time, but from Afar. I saw
Speaker 2: a group of individuals with reddish orange chloeing eyes. You
Speaker 2: can see them blinking and moving around. I had to
Speaker 2: actually use my binoculars to witnesses, which was like, WHOA
Speaker 2: very cool, especially when you see them blink. But did
Speaker 2: I see a family have bigfoots doing it? I think
Speaker 2: it was. I don't know what else could have done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would definitely never doubt those stories again ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the orb thing. Have you ever seen
Speaker 2: orbs on your property?
Speaker 1: Brian, No orbs never? No, not here I've experienced orbs.
Speaker 1: I had this thing with orbs. They tend to follow me.
Speaker 1: I've got tons of photos with me and just family
Speaker 1: situations in different places with orbs, that kind of weird thing,
Speaker 1: but never on the property.
Speaker 2: You know, we were at snow and there was no
Speaker 2: less probably than sixteen scene summer right out the window.
Speaker 2: One came into the cabin, was seen by one of
Speaker 2: the guys in the cabin, but everybody saw red orbs
Speaker 2: but me.
Speaker 1: We've had so many strange light things going on here
Speaker 1: on the property, but never orbs. We have woken up
Speaker 1: several times in the house here and the entire outside
Speaker 1: of the woods area and inside of the house would
Speaker 1: be illuminated with just bright white light. Then it just
Speaker 1: goes out as quickly as it started white, like a
Speaker 1: spotlight from almost just a spotlight from above. Yes, just
Speaker 1: really strange. The first time we ever experienced it was
Speaker 1: we were in the hot tub. It's probably four years
Speaker 1: ago at this point. We had a hot tub off
Speaker 1: the front of the deck. That's when we first started
Speaker 1: hearing the vocalizations. We were outside in the hot tub,
Speaker 1: but the light thing happened. We have two driveways on
Speaker 1: the property, the driveway that leads directly up to the
Speaker 1: house that we don't even use. We had this light
Speaker 1: traveling towards us, like over the back of the house,
Speaker 1: and it was lighting up the entire area. No sound,
Speaker 1: no nothing. Then it gets right over the house, right
Speaker 1: before it would come to where we could possibly see
Speaker 1: what was making the light happen or the source of
Speaker 1: the light. It just goes out, it's gone. We've had
Speaker 1: that multiple times, as recently as probably three months ago.
Speaker 1: We woke up in the middle of the night. We
Speaker 1: sleep upstairs in the loft and it's surrounded by windows.
Speaker 1: It looks like when you look out the windows, like
Speaker 1: you're sleeping out in the woods.
Speaker 2: So how bright would you say? It is?
Speaker 1: Right, very bright enough to light up the entire area
Speaker 1: outside of the house. It's almost like daylight inside the house.
Speaker 1: It's so bright. We wake up and it just goes out.
Speaker 1: It's gone. There's no sound, there's nothing. It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 2: I wasn't driving with the event one time we were
Speaker 2: I saw it. One time we were driving home in
Speaker 2: a very heavily wooded area, no businesses, no nothing. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden we saw this big spotlight come from
Speaker 2: nowhere and light up this tree like daytime. And it
Speaker 2: lasted a few seconds and then it was gone. WHOA
Speaker 2: what was that. It's a weird situation.
Speaker 1: If you follow me on Instagram bigfoot bks on Instagram,
Speaker 1: I have posted an aerial topographical map area of the
Speaker 1: area around my house, you can see what it looks like.
Speaker 1: And there's nothing so there's no light source. We have
Speaker 1: no light pollution out here. Our nearest neighbor is almost
Speaker 1: a mile away. There's no explanation for this light. It's
Speaker 1: not a helicopter. They're not searching for a missing person
Speaker 1: over the house. There's none of that. It's just this weird.
Speaker 2: Well you'd you're a helicopter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, Yeah, I have no idea, man, I have
Speaker 1: no idea.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: If it's something alien, I don't know if it's something paranormal.
Speaker 1: It's disconcerting. It's a weird thing. What's happening here? Where's
Speaker 1: this light coming from? Why does it happen? Multiple times?
Speaker 1: It's probably happened, I'd say over the last three to
Speaker 1: four years, probably five times. We've had work.
Speaker 2: I've talked to you. A friend of mine who had
Speaker 2: that happen. It really scared him and his wife, but
Speaker 2: it was bright Green. He live in the woods too,
Speaker 2: but like Chartrue's type, Green just lit it up and
Speaker 2: freaked them out really bad. Yeah, it's a scary thing, man.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it. Huh. You
Speaker 2: don't think it has anything to do with the other
Speaker 2: topics you're into, do you think? Yeah? I always wonder
Speaker 2: what seems Bigfoot researchers do have more experiences like that.
Speaker 1: It's something that's come up over and over in conversations
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. Somebody asked me recently.
Speaker 1: I was a guest on another podcast, and they said,
Speaker 1: do you think if you have some kind of an experience,
Speaker 1: like a Bigfoot experience or UFO experience or whatever experience
Speaker 1: in the paranormal realm, are you more likely? Are you
Speaker 1: marked in a way to have more experiences? My answer
Speaker 1: was no, I don't think so. I think that would
Speaker 1: imply that there's some greater force that's at hand and
Speaker 1: manipulating something to make that person more likely to have
Speaker 1: those I think it's just as simple as when you
Speaker 1: open yourself up to those experiences. I've had UFO experiences
Speaker 1: I've lived in a haunted house. I've had in some
Speaker 1: cases I think demonic probably some sort of even borderline
Speaker 1: poultry geist activity in the houses I was in as
Speaker 1: a kid, I've had bigfoot experiences. All of those things together,
Speaker 1: I think you're just more open to those experiences. And
Speaker 1: I think anytime you open up yourself to believe those
Speaker 1: things and believe your own experiences, you're more likely to
Speaker 1: be sensitive to those things. But I think it's just
Speaker 1: as simple, as I've said it many times. I think
Speaker 1: that UFO experiences I've had as recently as October of
Speaker 1: last year up in Radium when we had two hours,
Speaker 1: we watched multiple UFOs while we were out looking for bigfoot.
Speaker 1: There's nothing bigfoot happening. It was all about UFOs. But
Speaker 1: the only reason I had those experiences is because I
Speaker 1: was looking up right. It's the same thing in the wood.
Speaker 1: You don't find treatment break, so you don't find footprints,
Speaker 1: or you don't find these other things unless you're looking
Speaker 1: for it. So I think it's less woo, and I
Speaker 1: think it's less high strangeness and more of just being.
Speaker 2: Open to it and being outside.
Speaker 1: Now, that doesn't account for the woods lighting up in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night at three in the morning.
Speaker 3: But do you think it's also you're out in the
Speaker 3: woods where there's not all this light pollution, that you're
Speaker 3: gonna notice UFOs, you know, because you actually see them.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've seen quite a few. You Just sitting
Speaker 1: out on my deck at night looking up, we see
Speaker 1: some weird things flying over. I think it makes it
Speaker 1: easier for you to see that, obviously, than if you're
Speaker 1: in the middle of New York. It's going to be
Speaker 1: more difficult to cry.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think, Brian, that your presence is being
Speaker 2: broadcast out into space? Literally? Think about it? Could Have
Speaker 2: you ever thought about that your public and your imagine
Speaker 2: your voice is being broadcast out through satellites and oft
Speaker 2: into forever it knows.
Speaker 1: I had a lady on the show about about two
Speaker 1: and a half years ago, maybe two years ago. She
Speaker 1: was very much into the UFO thing. It was a
Speaker 1: very odd interview. She had a lot of weird experiences.
Speaker 1: She claimed to communicate with quite a few alien beings
Speaker 1: from other galaxies. After the interview ended, we talked like
Speaker 1: you normally do with your guest. I was a great interview.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on. And she was like,
Speaker 1: I have to tell you. The Plebeians are telling me
Speaker 1: that they want to start giving you downloads while you
Speaker 1: sleep at night because they like the work that you're doing.
Speaker 1: They like your approach to these things. They feel like
Speaker 1: they can give you knowledge that will help further and
Speaker 1: advance other people's knowledge. If you're willing to accept those downloads,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is say I accept it.
Speaker 1: And of course I said, of course I accept it.
Speaker 1: Tell them to start download and I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: She was like, you may get some downloads, you might
Speaker 1: get a headache here and there, and those kind of things.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm still waiting on the downloads. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I've been getting them. Maybe the lights are
Speaker 1: coming to give me the downloa, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Don't you agree? Our earth that we live on is
Speaker 2: so magical and so mysterious and just complicated, and yet
Speaker 2: it's all this amazing harmony too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fascinating place. People are fascinating, Their experiences
Speaker 1: are fascinating. That's why I'm open to everything, man. I
Speaker 1: love to talk to people about all their experiences. I
Speaker 1: don't just keep it to the flesh and blood camp
Speaker 1: when it comes to Bigfoot, I love to hear again.
Speaker 1: Durin's episode's going to air on Friday on Sasquatch Odyssey.
Speaker 1: She thinks Bigfoot's coming into her house when she's sleeping
Speaker 1: and she's finding footprints in her carpet. She sent me
Speaker 1: pictures that look pretty compelling.
Speaker 2: We were talking earlier before we brought you on about
Speaker 2: plants that can mimic a fake plant. You put a
Speaker 2: fake plant next to you a real plant, and it'll
Speaker 2: try to mimic it. Think about a forest, the intelligence
Speaker 2: it must be in a forest, and you're forty acres
Speaker 2: that you own. Do you ever feel like you're amongst
Speaker 2: other intelligence when you walk through the forest. What does
Speaker 2: a forest judio? And why did you buy that forty acres?
Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly bought this forty acres hoping that there might
Speaker 1: be some kind of Bigfoot activity on. We always wanted
Speaker 1: to live in the woods. We wanted to be as
Speaker 1: self sufficient as possible. We lived off grid for a
Speaker 1: year and a half on our property. I've talked about
Speaker 1: that on other shows in the past. That's an entire show.
Speaker 1: But when you get that close to nature and you
Speaker 1: remove yourself from all of the other things that normal
Speaker 1: people deal with every day, electronics, electricity. We had solar,
Speaker 1: but that was it. But we bought the property hoping
Speaker 1: that there could possibly be some activity because of the
Speaker 1: area that we're in. We're surrounded by nothing but woods.
Speaker 1: Over the years, I've certainly felt at times that you
Speaker 1: walk around. We talked a little bit about it earlier,
Speaker 1: having that really ominous feeling, but there's plenty of times
Speaker 1: it's happened to me recently a couple of times, I
Speaker 1: think I talked about it on one show when I
Speaker 1: was a guest. Recently, I've never had this happen before,
Speaker 1: but I had this really weird horse kind of smell.
Speaker 1: Horses smell very distinct right If you've ever been around horses,
Speaker 1: they have a very distinct smell. It smelled like a
Speaker 1: wet horse slash wet dog smell. Recently, I had this
Speaker 1: very overwhelming feeling that something was watching me while I
Speaker 1: was walking the dogs. The dogs were acting a little
Speaker 1: weird that were running off and sniffing. I still don't
Speaker 1: know what it was, but I had this feeling that
Speaker 1: I was in the presence of something greater than I
Speaker 1: don't think it was a big cat. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was a bear. We have both of those things
Speaker 1: on the property. We've seen sign of both of those
Speaker 1: over the years, but it seemed to be more. I
Speaker 1: can't prove that it was just a feeling, but that's
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about walking through the
Speaker 1: woods here is you do feel that deeper connection to
Speaker 1: things that maybe you can't see or perceive with your
Speaker 1: regular senses that seemed to somehow make contact with you.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. In other ways and other feelings.
Speaker 2: The term forest bathing, I'm sure have you heard that term.
Speaker 2: They've done studies now they find it has huge health
Speaker 2: benefits being in the woods, even for a few minutes
Speaker 2: a day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like grinding. I mean, I very much believe
Speaker 1: in grounding walking around barefoot. Danny does that a lot
Speaker 1: on the property. I'm not at that point. I can't
Speaker 1: walk barefoot through the woods. I try to do some
Speaker 1: of that stuff. But I think it's very important to
Speaker 1: connect with nature. I think it connects you and grounds
Speaker 1: you literally with your surroundings. There's definitely something to be
Speaker 1: said about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, you got to do if you want to
Speaker 2: prove it to yourself. Take a wire. Run it from
Speaker 2: your ground wire, run it in and hook it to
Speaker 2: some flowers you buy at the store that are cut
Speaker 2: like cut roses. Put the ground wire in there, and
Speaker 2: then do another vase without the ground wire. The plants
Speaker 2: with a ground wire will survive like four or five
Speaker 2: times longer. A lot of people are putting ground wires
Speaker 2: to their bed.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of that recently on social media,
Speaker 1: people making those posts about being grounded at night.
Speaker 2: I could easily believe that the earth is got to
Speaker 2: have so much energy. Just because you don't feel it
Speaker 2: instantly when you touch it, you're not getting jolded, doesn't
Speaker 2: mean there's not energy there. I have a feeling that
Speaker 2: the discoveries are just gonna keep coming in to get
Speaker 2: weirder and weirder sounding. But no, I think that's an
Speaker 2: important thing.
Speaker 1: I went over a couple of months ago and spoke
Speaker 1: at a conference over in the United Kingdom. We spent
Speaker 1: about five days in London before we went out to
Speaker 1: the country area. We were out in Somerset Bridgewater area
Speaker 1: for the conference, and I felt it there. That was
Speaker 1: the longest time in the last five or six years
Speaker 1: that I've spent in a city around that many people.
Speaker 1: London is packed with tourists, especially during the summer, there's
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people. You're crammed packed with people.
Speaker 1: I felt so off that entire week. Then when I
Speaker 1: came back, I was only here for four or five days,
Speaker 1: and I had to go to another speaker engagement. I
Speaker 1: had to hop on a plane and fly somewhere else.
Speaker 1: But just being back in the woods for those three
Speaker 1: or four days and being able to reconnect with nature
Speaker 1: was huge, And I could feel a huge energy shift
Speaker 1: from spending time in the city versus being here on
Speaker 1: the property, removed from all that. It recharges your batteries,
Speaker 1: is the best way I can describe it as being
Speaker 1: here in this environment. It's just a refreshing, recharging thing.
Speaker 1: And there's something to the energy and the vibe of
Speaker 1: being in the woods versus being in the city. For me.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's shift before we go home. We've got a
Speaker 2: few more few minutes here. But I wanted to hear
Speaker 2: about your book. Why you decided to write a book.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 2: your property. Both suddenly made you go, ahnd when I
Speaker 2: write a book, what was the motivation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have thought about writing a book for so
Speaker 1: many reasons in the past. Most of it has been
Speaker 1: the journey that I've had through Bigfoot. But I really
Speaker 1: wanted to write the book because I felt it was
Speaker 1: important at this time, because I wanted to do something
Speaker 1: that did two things. I wanted somebody that was just
Speaker 1: getting into the subject to be able to pick up
Speaker 1: the book and go, Okay, here's a little bit of
Speaker 1: everything to do with the Bigfoot phenomenon. Because there's so
Speaker 1: much to cover, right there's history of Bigfoot. I wanted
Speaker 1: to tell a little bit about my story because people
Speaker 1: have been fascinated with that since I started the show.
Speaker 1: So I start there. I talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: how my journey in this began. Then I talk about
Speaker 1: the phenomenon of Sasquatch in general. I talk about Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and pop culture. We get into some of the hoaxes.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that's very important
Speaker 1: to talk about. There have been some giant hoaxes that
Speaker 1: I think have set back research decades in some cases,
Speaker 1: So I talk a little bit about that. I talk
Speaker 1: about some of my journey up to Radium last year
Speaker 1: and some of the research that I did up there.
Speaker 1: I get into paradolia, which I think is huge in
Speaker 1: the community nowadays. If you go into any bigfoot group
Speaker 1: on Facebook, tons of pictures of sticks and leaves and trees.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to people to understand a little bit
Speaker 1: about paradolia. I get into the scientific method. That's not
Speaker 1: big and sexy and beautiful, but I think it's very
Speaker 1: important for people to understand what the scientific method is
Speaker 1: and how we can apply it as citizen scientists going
Speaker 1: out in the woods and looking for these things.
Speaker 2: I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Talk about where the bodies are. That's some of the
Speaker 1: things that people like me, I'm skeptical. I've always been skeptical.
Speaker 1: Skeptics always go to where are the bodies? Why don't
Speaker 1: we have a body? I talk about that in the book.
Speaker 1: I write an entire chapter about that. I wanted to
Speaker 1: dig into my background as a police officer, in my
Speaker 1: experience in law enforcement and kind of tie that into
Speaker 1: the research because that's an important part of how I
Speaker 1: approach the research and this subject in general. So I
Speaker 1: wrote an entire chapter called can we convict Sasquatch in
Speaker 1: a Court of law? Meaning can we convict sasquatch? If
Speaker 1: they were on hypothetical trial for existing. Is there enough
Speaker 1: evidence to convict them? And I say there is spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: I think there's there's enough evidence out there to say
Speaker 1: that Sasquatch exists. So it was important for me to
Speaker 1: do something. In my opinion, I wanted to write a
Speaker 1: book that if somebody had never really gotten into the
Speaker 1: subject that could pick it up and go, oh, that's interesting,
Speaker 1: maybe they would take it a little bit further and
Speaker 1: go that direction. Or if somebody had been in the
Speaker 1: subject for a couple of decades and looking into it,
Speaker 1: maybe I would approach something a little bit differently than
Speaker 1: they had thought about it in the past, or maybe
Speaker 1: a different way that they had looked at it. That's
Speaker 1: why I wrote a chapter on high strangeness and habituation,
Speaker 1: skepticism in general, and how important that is. There's a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything in there for everybody. So whether
Speaker 1: you've been into it for twenty years, maybe there's something
Speaker 1: that you haven't looked at the same way, or maybe
Speaker 1: you haven't thought about it a certain way that it
Speaker 1: would be in the book. If you're just getting into
Speaker 1: the subject. It's a breakdown of how it started, how
Speaker 1: long it's been out there, the history pop culture, how
Speaker 1: that experience affects the Bigfoot phenomenon in general.
Speaker 2: You have also personal recordings and video and audio in here.
Speaker 1: Yes, the IBT, the interactive book technology that you guys
Speaker 1: have incorporated at Hanger One is amazing. There's hours of
Speaker 1: video from my time here on the property Radium, BC, Canada,
Speaker 1: some of the most beautiful places I've ever been doing research.
Speaker 1: You get to be on the trail with us while
Speaker 1: we're doing that at some phenomenal stuff that you can't
Speaker 1: get anyone else.
Speaker 2: Now, I'll love your cover.
Speaker 3: Whoever did it is incredible art.
Speaker 2: Who in the hell did that? Alex?
Speaker 1: Do you have any idea that book cover? We kind
Speaker 1: of say it, but thank you all jokes aside. I
Speaker 1: have said this so many times on my show, and
Speaker 1: I've said it so many times privately to you guys,
Speaker 1: but I want to take a second and just say
Speaker 1: it publicly. Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after the East messages. You guys
Speaker 1: are the reason that this book happened. If it had
Speaker 1: not been for you guys and the amazing job that
Speaker 1: you guys do at Hanger One. You have been a
Speaker 1: phenomenal You have been a huge support for me in
Speaker 1: the book and all of your authors. Frankly, you guys
Speaker 1: are beyond the best in the business as far as
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. There are tons and tons of books on
Speaker 1: the Hanger one Publishing website by phenomenal authors like Tom Powell.
Speaker 1: There's so many. We're actually doing a series right now
Speaker 1: where we're interviewing tons of authors from the Hanger One
Speaker 1: Publishing family, and we're going to do an entire series
Speaker 1: on Sasquatch Outs. So that's coming for you guys, And
Speaker 1: there's some phenomenal people, some amazing books.
Speaker 2: But Alex and.
Speaker 1: Doug and Blaine, you guys do a phenomenal job with everything.
Speaker 2: We've had a very symbiotic relationship, which has been cool.
Speaker 2: Been great working with you.
Speaker 4: Brian.
Speaker 2: It's just weird when you're here on our show. It
Speaker 2: just feels like we could just bullshit all night, man,
Speaker 2: all night. We need to bullshit more. We used to
Speaker 2: do a lot more of that back when we first
Speaker 2: started talking and years ago. Oh, we need to get
Speaker 2: back to some of that just calling and just shoot
Speaker 2: the crap. I definitely agree. I really enjoy Yeah, you've
Speaker 2: always got so many cool stories. What is your best
Speaker 2: besides getting this book? And what I love about it is,
Speaker 2: like you said, it's the whole gamut, and it's really
Speaker 2: good for somebody who just losting it to the truth
Speaker 2: and do it in a way where it's not going
Speaker 2: to bore the hell out of you. But your podcast
Speaker 2: is very successful because you've just been at it for
Speaker 2: so long and you have so many great witnesses. Is
Speaker 2: there one story that almost gives you shivers? Thinking about it?
Speaker 2: Is like hard to get out of your brain when
Speaker 2: you see a good movie and it's powerful and it's
Speaker 2: hard to shake it off afterwards. Do you have one
Speaker 2: story that you can remember that it's just it's hard
Speaker 2: to shake off? Are they all that way?
Speaker 1: I think every single one in their own way is
Speaker 1: very much like that. But there's one that always comes
Speaker 1: back to me is Dan who was hunting moose or
Speaker 1: elk and this happened?
Speaker 2: Probably? Okay, stop? Do you have an episode number that
Speaker 2: people can listen to it after?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to google it while I'm talking.
Speaker 2: Tell you what? Can you send it to Alex tomorrow?
Speaker 2: We'll put it in the show in tomorrow. I definitely
Speaker 2: will yeah, I check out this episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, but in a nutshell, Basically, Dan and his dad
Speaker 1: were out on a fourteen day moose or el khunt.
Speaker 1: I think they might have had tags for both. Long
Speaker 1: story short, he's out in the woods. His dad goes
Speaker 1: to a different area. He goes to another area and
Speaker 1: he's hunting and he hears wood knocks and he was
Speaker 1: very interested in the wood KNOCKX Right, that's a weird thing.
Speaker 1: He's never heard that before in the woods. So he
Speaker 1: goes towards where these wood knocks are coming from. And
Speaker 1: every time he goes a little bit, he stops like
Speaker 1: he's not making any forward progress. The woodknocks happened again,
Speaker 1: so it continues forward. He keeps going. This goes on.
Speaker 1: His episode's one of the longest on Sasquatch outess. It's
Speaker 1: probably an hour and a half or so because he
Speaker 1: goes through everything and find minute detail. That was a
Speaker 1: very calculated thing for him. That was his plan because
Speaker 1: he had old parts of the story to his wife,
Speaker 1: his dad, and he went on another podcast a couple
Speaker 1: of years before he came on my show, but he
Speaker 1: had never told.
Speaker 2: The entire story all the way through. So he does
Speaker 2: that on my show.
Speaker 1: So he's very detailed, but long story short, he ends
Speaker 1: up coming twenty feet or so away from this huge
Speaker 1: sasquatch that steps out from behind this tree. He gets away,
Speaker 1: he backs out. He's got a high powered rifle. This
Speaker 1: guy could have took a shot at this thing, but
Speaker 1: he chose not to because he said, there's no way
Speaker 1: that I could have affected this thing with my rifle.
Speaker 1: That would have taken down a moose.
Speaker 2: Mind you.
Speaker 1: He goes back. He didn't tell his dad, and he
Speaker 1: allowed his dad to go out. For the next eleven days.
Speaker 1: He would sit in his truck every single day and
Speaker 1: let his dad go out by himself in the woods.
Speaker 1: It really aided him to the point where he abused alcohol.
Speaker 1: He went down a very dark path and it took
Speaker 1: a lot of counseling for him to get on the
Speaker 1: other side of this. The thing that stuck out to
Speaker 1: me the most about that is he said to me,
Speaker 1: I felt so stupid. Brian, Again, this is subjective. He
Speaker 1: has no way to prove this, but he felt like
Speaker 1: this thing was luring him in with the wood knocks
Speaker 1: to do something to fairess because every time he would
Speaker 1: stop his progression it would knock again to get him
Speaker 1: to come forward and eventually got him in the position
Speaker 1: that he wanted to be. And he said, I think
Speaker 1: the only thing that saved me is I think this
Speaker 1: thing was smart enough to know I did have a
Speaker 1: very high powered rifle and I wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: easy prey. So that has really stuck with me for
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. I've never heard anybody tell me
Speaker 1: that they thought they were being lured in by one
Speaker 1: of these things with wood knocks, and the fact of
Speaker 1: how it affected him so negatively full disclosure. When you
Speaker 1: were looking for somebody for LMS two, he was one
Speaker 1: of the people that I suggested that you might have
Speaker 1: involved for some of the things you were doing for
Speaker 1: LMS two. He wanted no part of it because he
Speaker 1: said to me, I just want to come on. I
Speaker 1: trust you, I've listened to your show. I love the
Speaker 1: way you treat people. I'm going to tell you my
Speaker 1: story one time, through and through. I want to ge
Speaker 1: all the details out there, and I am done with this.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with the Bigfoot anymore.
Speaker 1: I want to forget about this. I don't want to
Speaker 1: have anything to do with it, and that was very
Speaker 1: profound for me because he didn't have a dog in
Speaker 1: this fight.
Speaker 2: It really aided.
Speaker 1: Him that a he thought he was being lured in,
Speaker 1: and then the fact that he didn't tell his dad
Speaker 1: because he was afraid he was going to ridicule him.
Speaker 1: He felt like he had sent his dad into harm's
Speaker 1: way because this thing was still out there, and it
Speaker 1: really aided him.
Speaker 2: That's really stuck.
Speaker 1: With me over the last I think that was about
Speaker 1: a year ago when that episode came out.
Speaker 2: What I do with your show, Brian is I wait
Speaker 2: a little while till there's maybe five or six episodes,
Speaker 2: then I binge amine, there you go. That's a good
Speaker 2: way to do it. I love that because it seems
Speaker 2: for me when I hear him back to back, it's
Speaker 2: almost like I want to be convinced all the time
Speaker 2: that they're real, even though I know they are. I've
Speaker 2: seen him, I haven't seen the face yet. I haven't
Speaker 2: had of that frontal stare at each other. That has
Speaker 2: not happened. I think until that moment happens, still keep
Speaker 2: that skepticism. Being skeptical is healthy.
Speaker 1: I think healthy skepticism, even if your own experiences, is important.
Speaker 1: I've always been very open and transparent about that on
Speaker 1: the show. I think that's one of the things that
Speaker 1: has resonated with my listeners for so many years is
Speaker 1: the fact that I don't drink the Bigfoot kool aid.
Speaker 2: I'm not all about it.
Speaker 1: I do question things when it doesn't make sense, and
Speaker 1: I'm very respectful to the people that come on my show.
Speaker 1: Anybody who listens to the show knows that it's all
Speaker 1: about the people that come on. It's all about the experiences.
Speaker 1: I never mistreat anybody. Everybody's experience is unique, and everybody's
Speaker 1: experience is their own. I think they all deserve to
Speaker 1: be told.
Speaker 2: That's what Sasquatch Odyssey is all about. Very cool. If
Speaker 2: you don't listen to his show, you should. It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing. Thank you Brian for coming on and
Speaker 2: running over, and thanks Alex for all you do. Here's
Speaker 2: some kind of wisdom for Bigfoot witnesses. It might be
Speaker 2: foolish to reject not what you think, and it might
Speaker 2: be wiser to reject what you think and not what
Speaker 2: you have seen. Wise words, my friend wild. Bottom line
Speaker 2: is you gotta believe your own eyes. You really do thanks,
Speaker 2: good night. They say you.
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