WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:31.000 Welcome back to the Path with Chili. 2 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:34.880 I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and I want to welcome our 3 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:39.000 lovely co host Ashley back with new baby Teddy. So 4 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:40.880 tell us everything, Ashley. 5 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:44.560 Oh Man, Well, new parenthood is tough, but I'm in 6 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:48.200 utter love with our little Teddy Bear. He was six 7 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:51.520 pounds and eleven ounces and he's our newest true crime 8 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.759 fan in the family. So we are so happy. Our 9 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.039 little girls are obsessed with him equally, so we have 10 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.280 all these little mamas running around the house helping him 11 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.719 and take care of him. And I think I might 12 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:06.040 have fallen even more in love with Rebel after giving 13 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:11.000 birth to our sweet little Miles Theodore. So I am happy. 14 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:13.799 I'm tired, but I'm so glad to be back with 15 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.879 my friends and recording our podcast. 16 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:20.079 Yeah, it's definitely great to have you back. And I 17 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.200 saw Teddy for the first time just a few minutes 18 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:24.319 before we started recording him. He's only a few weeks 19 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.560 old at this point. He's so tiny and absolutely adorable. 20 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:30.799 And I made an announcement. I know our listeners have 21 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:33.599 been following us knowing about your pregnancy, and I announced 22 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.359 on social media when you gave birth finally, and they 23 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:39.040 were all so excited for you. So now I'm glad 24 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.159 to hear that they'll finally get to hear you back 25 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:42.799 and talk about what it's like to be a new 26 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:43.319 mother again. 27 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:46.439 Well, you look amazing, and I'm so happy I got 28 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.920 the chance, I think a week after actually gave birth 29 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.079 to get a peek at little Teddy on zoom And 30 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.400 he's such a perfect little baby, like the cutest little 31 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.840 hens and feet, and he's so just chubby in the 32 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.640 right places. He's just everything. 33 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:04.079 Now that we've talked about my little Teddy Bear, let's 34 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:06.519 dive right in to this week's case. 35 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:13.159 October twenty first, nineteen seventy eight, Cape Otway, Australia. After 36 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.360 leaving on a seemingly routine training flight in a Cessna 37 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:20.039 one to eighty two aircraft, twenty year old Frederick Valentage 38 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:25.479 vanishes without explanation over the Bass Strait. During a radio transmission, 39 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.080 Valentage describes seeing an unidentified flying object and his final 40 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:33.919 words are, quote, it's hovering and it's not an aircraft. 41 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.719 When independent eyewitnesses corroborate seeing strange things in the sky 42 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.159 in the area that night, speculation mounts. The Valentice's disappearance 43 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:45.719 might have been the result of an alien encounter. 44 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:50.560 After that, The Path Went Chiley. So today we will 45 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.120 be going down Under to Australia to cover one of 46 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:56.719 the most infamous unsolved mysteries of all time, the nineteen 47 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:01.000 seventy eight disappearance of Frederick Valentage is The actual release 48 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.759 date of this episode will be October thirty. First, I 49 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.280 thought it would be fun for us to do a 50 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:10.280 Halloween themed episode which involves potential UFO involvement. Now, while 51 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.560 I personally find UFO stories fascinating, I know that not 52 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:16.439 everyone likes them, which is why we've never really covered 53 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.520 them on The Path Went Chile. But this story is 54 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.759 different because, regardless of what your stance is on UFOs, 55 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.400 a man still went missing under mysterious circumstances and has 56 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:29.840 not been found to this day. Frederick Valentich was flying 57 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.680 Assessed Noel one eighty two aircraft over the bas Strait 58 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:36.479 in Australia, and under normal circumstances, there wouldn't be much 59 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.800 to discuss here, as it might seem obvious that Valentage's 60 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:43.759 playing crashed into the water. However, what elevates this story 61 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:47.080 is the fact that Valentiche made a final radio communication 62 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.919 in which he describes seeing an unidentified flying object and 63 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:55.039 concluded with these cryptic words quote it's hovering and it's 64 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:58.479 not an aircraft. And since a number of other eyewitnesses 65 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:01.520 reported seeing strange things in the sky that night, this 66 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.400 opened up speculation that the Lentage may have been abducted 67 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.639 by a UFO. I should also mention that I have 68 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:10.560 a particular interest in this story because it happened to 69 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:14.159 take place on the very day I was born. In fact, 70 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:17.120 if you type October the twenty first, nineteen seventy eight 71 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:20.240 into Google, this is constantly cited as not only the 72 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.639 most famous mystery, but the most famous event period to 73 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:27.120 have taken place on this particular date. So I guess 74 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.399 this can only mean that I was predestined to grow 75 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:31.639 up having an obsession with unsolved mysteries. 76 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:34.240 Wait a minute, you're telling me. If I type in 77 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:38.160 October twenty first, nineteen seventy eight, your birth is not 78 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:39.639 noted as more important. 79 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:42.360 Maybe one of these days, maybe when we do this 80 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.720 podcast a few more years, it'll be the most historic 81 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.680 thing to happen on that date, But for now, it's 82 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.040 a UFO story. How ironic. 83 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:53.120 That's so interesting. Okay, So what blows my mind here 84 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.360 is that I'm like you, I'm interested. It's still is 85 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:59.279 always very neat to hear stories of UFOs. It's one 86 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:00.800 of those things where I'm like, I don't know. Some 87 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:04.000 of the stories make you pretty convinced they exist, and others, 88 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:08.240 you know, don't seem as convincing. But this one's really 89 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.560 bizarre because it's someone who's also in the air, in 90 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:16.519 an aircraft, right, who's reporting seeing something hovering near him exactly. 91 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:19.720 Yeah, Like he gives this final cryptic radio communication talking 92 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:22.360 about a flying object and then it just suddenly cuts 93 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.439 off and he's never heard from again, and they've never 94 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:28.240 found him or his airplanes. So under the circumstances, you 95 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.079 can see why even skeptics would fake was he abducted 96 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:31.759 by UFO? 97 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.759 Yeah, it's very bizarre because he's in air with him. 98 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:37.759 I've never heard of that. I've heard of people saying, oh, 99 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:39.720 they were taken, you know, from their car, or they 100 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:42.120 were taken from a field or from their house or whatever. 101 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.319 But to have someone who would be like on an 102 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:48.480 equal plane field with this this spacecraft or this unidentified 103 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:53.879 object really fascinating and very bizarre, Like you said, never 104 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.600 find any remnants of the airplane, which if he was abducted, 105 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.800 the airplane would like crash unless they also took his 106 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:06.680 airplane with them for information purposes. It's a very very 107 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.839 interesting bizarre case. No wonder it shows up as the 108 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.079 most famous event on that date. 109 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.959 I find this case so interesting, And there's numerous accounts 110 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.279 of pilots who've seen things that are some type of UFO. 111 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:24.000 They aren't another plane. This isn't something that a lot 112 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:26.680 of pilots like to come forward and talk about, because 113 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.000 especially like now, it's more i would say more accepted. 114 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.680 There's plenty of governments who have come forward talking about 115 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:37.399 UFOs and their airspace and confirming this, and a lot 116 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.000 of people do believe that there are aliens or these 117 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.600 aircrafts are some kind of UFOs, and anyone who's been 118 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.920 listening to our podcast for a while knows I personally 119 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:54.319 believe in aliens. Our story begins in Australia in nineteen 120 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.399 seventy eight. Our central figure is twenty year old Frederick Valentiche, 121 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.160 who hails from an attack family and has numerous siblings. 122 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:06.000 Valentich lives in Melbourne and aspires to have a career 123 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.399 in aviation. He spent three years as a cadet in 124 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.920 the Royal Australian Air Force Air Training Corps and is 125 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.480 currently employed by Southern Air Services in the Melbourne suburb 126 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:20.000 of Morobin. At this point, Valentich, who has one hundred 127 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.079 and fifty hours of total flight time and a class 128 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.959 for instrument rating. He has a private pilot's license and 129 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.120 is studying to obtain a commercial pilot's license so that 130 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.399 he could become a commercial airline pilot. At six nineteen 131 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:37.480 pm on the evening of October twenty first, Valentich climbed 132 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:41.279 into a single engine Cessna one eighty two L light 133 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.240 aircraft and takes off from the Morobin Airport for what 134 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.240 was supposed to be a two hundred and thirty five 135 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:51.439 kilometer training flight. His plan was to travel west alongside 136 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.839 the Australian coast for about forty minutes before turning south 137 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.879 at Cape Otway. He would then head across Bath straight 138 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:02.199 for about a half hour before arriving at King Island 139 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:04.839 on the surface. This seemed to be nothing more than 140 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:08.959 a routine, straightforward flight. However, at seven oh six pm 141 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:12.079 Vlentiche was flying over baths straight in near Cape Otway 142 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:15.879 when Steve Roby, a flight service officer at Melbourne Airport, 143 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.279 received a radio call from him. Here is a recreation 144 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:23.279 of that conversation based on the original transcript, where Robin 145 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.199 will be Valentage and I will be Roby. 146 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:29.399 Is there any known traffic below five thousand feet? No 147 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:33.080 known traffic, I am seems to be a large aircraft 148 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:34.679 below five thousand. 149 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:36.399 What type of aircraft is it? 150 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.639 I cannot affirm it is for bright It seems to 151 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.639 me like landing lights. The aircraft has just passed over 152 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:44.519 me at at least one thousand feet above. 153 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:47.279 Roger, and it's a large aircraft. 154 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:51.000 Confirm er unknown due to the speed it's traveling. Is 155 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:53.039 there any air Force aircraft in the vicinity? 156 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.600 No known aircraft in the vicinity. 157 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.960 It's approaching right now from due east towards me. It 158 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:01.039 seems to me that he's playing some sort of game. 159 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.120 He's flying over me two three times at speeds I 160 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:06.440 cannot identify, Roger. 161 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:07.720 What's your actual level? 162 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.440 My level is four and a half thousand four or 163 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:11.440 five zero zero? 164 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:17.000 And confirm you cannot identify the aircraft. Affirmative standby. 165 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:19.639 It is not an aircraft. 166 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:23.879 It is Can you describe the aircraft. 167 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.799 As is flying past? It's a long shape. Cannot identify 168 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.639 more than that. It has such speed. It is before 169 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:30.960 me right now, Melbourne. 170 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.360 And how large would the object be? 171 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.720 It seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now 172 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:40.279 is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top 173 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.039 of me. Also, it's got a green light and sort 174 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.919 of metallic like it's all shiny on the outside. It's 175 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.759 just vanished. Would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? 176 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:51.200 Is it military aircraft? 177 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:56.879 Confirm the aircraft just vanished? Say again, is the aircraft 178 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:57.600 still with you? 179 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.320 It's now approaching from the south the west. The engine 180 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.320 is rough idling. I've got it set at twenty three 181 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:06.120 twenty four and the thing. 182 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.600 Is Roger, what are your intentions? 183 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.960 My intentions are to go to King Island, Melbourne. That's strange. 184 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.480 Aircraft is hovering on top of me. Again, it is 185 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:19.559 hovering and it's not an aircraft. 186 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.720 So eerie, okay, So literally, this is not something that 187 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.200 he's just glancing over and seeing. He's having a full blown, 188 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:32.639 lengthy conversation with air traffic control and letting them know 189 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:38.360 that he has details odd behavior and flying patterns that 190 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.279 they're like playing a quote sort of game with him, 191 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.639 and then all of a sudden they lose contact with him. 192 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:46.279 Correct, Yeah, that is correct. 193 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.200 Oh my gosh. So this is really really scary because 194 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:54.679 he's describing this unknown object, but he's telling them it's 195 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.639 not an aircraft, it's something hovering around me, playing a 196 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:00.639 game with me, and then we never hear from him again. 197 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.240 I got chills when you were talking because I thought 198 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.320 it would be a very quick radio conversation. He has 199 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.279 plenty of time to observe what's happening, and then we 200 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:10.720 have no idea what happened to him. 201 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.519 Yeah, Like, this is very iconic, this final radio transmission, 202 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:17.879 because it's something you'd expect to find in a movie 203 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:20.559 or something where someone says these cryptic final words it 204 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.919 is hovering and it is not an aircraft, and then 205 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.919 you never hear from them again. And we're going to 206 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.799 talk about this, But the actual radio transmission of this 207 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.559 has never been released publicly. No one has ever heard 208 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:34.320 the actual audio, so this is based just entirely on 209 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:37.440 the transcripts. But I can only imagine how weird it 210 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.600 would have been. For Steve Roby just having to have 211 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.039 heard this and then just suddenly losing contact with Valentage 212 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:45.200 and then finding yourself right in the middle of like 213 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:47.879 one of the most infamous UFO mysteries of all time. 214 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:52.320 I wonder if this UFO had like a cloak of invisibility, 215 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.360 or if they're like some kind of interdimensional time travelers 216 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.919 were going through this rip in the fabric of space 217 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.600 time like a wormhole, and so like they're going in 218 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:03.039 and out of visibility. 219 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.720 I mean, that could be an explanation if he really 220 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.879 did see an aircraft, and because what he's saying is 221 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.840 just you can tell that Valanchich immediately thinks this is 222 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:14.399 not an earth bound aircraft anything to do with the 223 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:17.240 air Force. This is like unlike anything I've ever seen before. 224 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.600 And theoretically, if aliens were going to come here, they 225 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:23.799 would likely have to use something like wormholes, because the 226 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.759 time that it would take to get from any sort 227 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.240 of I guess other planet in which there could be 228 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:34.120 aliens would take so long that you wouldn't be able 229 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:36.720 to get to Earth unless there's some type of technology 230 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:39.120 or a way that you can get here instantaneously, and 231 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:41.440 likely that would be or has been theorized to be 232 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:42.639 through the use of wormholes. 233 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:45.840 Yeah, that would make sense because in so many sci 234 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:49.559 fi stories, whenever people travel from Earth to faraway planets, 235 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:51.240 it takes them years and then they have to go 236 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.320 into cryo sleep to be able to make that distance 237 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:57.039 without going through all their supplies. So I've always wondered 238 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.639 if aliens did travel from a faraway place to Earth, 239 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:02.039 they use a wormhole to get here, so they could 240 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:02.720 get here quicker. 241 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:05.440 Yeah, and the time it would take you to get 242 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:09.320 through our layers and to an actual place where you're 243 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:12.320 able to abduct humans, there'd be so many ways to 244 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:15.120 cite you, right, and to see you and to follow you. 245 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:20.039 And so that makes sense, Jules, good wormholes. 246 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.759 It's the wormholes, I'm telling you. So. 247 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:27.279 Valentage's transmission ended at seven to twelve PM with what 248 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:31.639 sounded like seventeen seconds of metallic, scraping noises. Now, like 249 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:34.480 I just said, Even though the transcript of Valentage's final 250 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:38.759 conversation is available everywhere, the actual audio of his transmission 251 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.600 has never been released publicly, though you'll find plenty of 252 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.960 reenactments of it online. However, audio excerpts of the strange 253 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:49.399 metallic scraping noises were played on a TV show called 254 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.960 The Unexplained Files, which aired several years later. Anyway, this 255 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:55.399 radio TRANSMISSI would turn up to be the last time 256 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:59.720 anyone ever heard from Frederick Balentage, and quote it's hovering 257 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:02.480 and it's not an aircraft would be forever etched as 258 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.240 one of the most infamous final sentences of all time. 259 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:09.480 The Sessna never arrived to King Island and Valentage's final 260 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.919 radio transmission escalated into a distress situation. Twenty one minutes later, 261 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:16.799 a massive air and sea search was performed a bas 262 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.120 strait between Cape Otway and King Island, but it failed 263 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.960 to turn up any trace of Valentage or as missing aircraft, 264 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.159 as there wasn't even any wreckage to be found. The 265 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.559 search came to an end in on October the twenty fifth, 266 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:30.799 four days after Valentage went missing. 267 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.720 You would think, even though it's nineteen seventy eight, that 268 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.919 there'd still be ways to track if a plane just 269 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.360 disappeared or went down, And because they did act so 270 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.759 quickly it became an emergency within twenty one minutes, you 271 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:45.480 would think someone else who was in the air at 272 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.840 the time. Air traffic control or at least remnants of 273 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.679 the aircraft would be present in the water or on land, 274 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:57.039 and it's not. So it is really really disturbing when 275 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.320 you think about, how did he have this conversation that 276 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:03.559 got cut off off, has these odd metallic scraping noises 277 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:06.320 as part of the end of that recording, and then 278 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:10.320 he's just vanished, and so has the aircraft. That's the 279 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:13.360 part that really blows my mind. If he vanished, it's 280 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:18.480 one thing. If the whole aircraft vanishes, that's really difficult 281 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.200 to explain in any other way because of how quickly 282 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:22.080 everyone acted. 283 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.279 Yeah, I first became familiar with this story when they 284 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.759 featured on Unsolved Mystery sometime during the nineteen nineties, and 285 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.440 it wasn't until years after that where I finally watched 286 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.440 the Unexplained Files TV show, which was the first time 287 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:37.600 they had ever released the actual audio of the metallic 288 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:40.480 scraping noises. And that was pretty chilling to hear, because, 289 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.759 like I said, the radio conversation is always reenactments, but 290 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.759 you're hearing the real thing, the actual audio, and you're like, 291 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.360 what is going on here? Is this is aircraft? Is 292 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:53.480 this hovering aircraft? Scratching against Valentage's plane and then just 293 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:56.000 all of a sudden, it's silenced. So you're thinking to 294 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:59.440 yourself that it actually like beam the aircraft into the ship, 295 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.279 and that's why it's disappeared. 296 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:05.600 I really feel for his family here, because you have 297 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.480 a missing loved one who's unaccounted for. And I think 298 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.960 because of this disturbing transmission with such an iconic line 299 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:17.559 right before he disappears and then there's no trace of Frederick, 300 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.679 you have family members who see all of these like 301 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:25.159 kind of sci fi elements and alien abduction elements overtake 302 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:28.519 the fact that this person that they love hasn't been 303 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:31.320 seen since that day, and I think that can be 304 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:32.759 a hard thing to grapple with. 305 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.919 I also think when you consider what the explanations are 306 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.480 for his disappearance, there'd be a lot of trauma and 307 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.879 grief complication too, because when people, especially in nineteen seventy eight, 308 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:48.200 were to say, oh, you think he just disappeared or 309 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:50.720 just spanished, that doesn't happen. Oh you think it's a 310 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.559 UFO though they aren't real. There would just be a 311 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:57.679 lot of kind of shame and frustration and embarrassment and 312 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:03.320 a difficulty get the support and the kind of advocacy 313 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.640 you would need for your family member who's just vanished. 314 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:08.200 And I think there'd be a lot of ridicule and 315 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:13.599 kind of speculation going on about everyone's sanity and kind 316 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:16.480 of how grounded this family is when really they're just 317 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:19.119 grieving a loved one and going help us find him. 318 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:22.480 And one of the explanations is it's possible that that 319 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:25.599 aircraft truly was not an aircraft and could have been 320 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.160 a UFO. I just think about at the time and 321 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.880 even now, how much backlash there'd be for that kind 322 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:36.160 of explanation being parallel with your missing loved one. 323 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.119 So what could have been the meaning of Alenticche's final 324 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:42.839 transmission and what was this hovering object that he was 325 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:46.799 referring to? Well, as you probably guessed, UFOs would immediately 326 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.880 enter the discussion, and reports would come pouring in from 327 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.200 witnesses who claimed they saw strange objects or lights in 328 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.039 the sky alongside the Australian coast on the night of 329 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:01.359 Alenticche's disappearance. But one eyewitness account really stood out. The 330 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.759 witness's real name has never been disclosed publicly, but an 331 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:08.680 article published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration refers to 332 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.000 him by the pseudonym Ken Hanson, so that's what we'll 333 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.359 call him. So that's what we'll call him here. Hanson 334 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.240 claimed that on the evening of October twenty first, nineteen 335 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:21.079 seventy eight, he was traveling to his home in Apollo 336 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:24.039 Bay after an outing with his wife and two nieces 337 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:26.799 when they saw a lime green light flying through the 338 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.640 sky near Cape Otway. According to Hanson, the light appeared 339 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.440 to be about one thousand feet above an aircraft and 340 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.279 seemed to be performing a steep dive at a forty 341 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:39.640 five degree angle. The light moved ever so closer to 342 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:43.359 the aircraft before they both disappeared from view. While this 343 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:47.000 sighting would have taken place around the approximate time as 344 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:51.279 Frederick Valentich's final radio transmission, Hansen did not disclose this 345 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.440 sighting publicly until years after the fact, when he shared 346 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:57.279 his story with a policeman who subsequently put him in 347 00:18:57.319 --> 00:18:59.880 touch with Valentich's father, Udo Valentich. 348 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:02.960 Okay, so, one of the things I'd want to know 349 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:05.960 is did his wife and his nieces also see something? 350 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.559 Is there a way that the whole feeling can validate this? 351 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:11.920 But when you do hear his story, and you have 352 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:16.319 this hovering object and then you have this plane and 353 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:19.079 they both disappear at the same time. It just gives 354 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.880 you chills up your back. If Ken is actually telling 355 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.720 the truth, and he's not just gathering information from news 356 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:29.400 stories or you know, trying to be part of this story, 357 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.680 then what he's describing is exactly what you guys are 358 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:36.359 saying happened. That it's possible a UFO was hovering and 359 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.319 then literally just vanishes, absorbing this plane and the pilot 360 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.960 with it, And how you explain that any other way 361 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.319 is just crazy. If Kin's telling the truth. 362 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:50.079 Yeah, Ken Anson is the only one who's ever done interviews, 363 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:52.839 even though he has maintained anonymity and never released his 364 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.200 real name. But as far as I can tell, even 365 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:59.079 though his wife and two nieces had never spoken publicly 366 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:01.359 about it, they did tell the authorities that we saw 367 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:03.960 the exact same thing that he did, so they have 368 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:06.759 backed up his story. So when you have foreign independent 369 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.160 eyewitnesses saying that we saw these lights coming down at 370 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.480 an angle towards what appeared to be an aircraft, you 371 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:15.200 have to think that the story was true. But you 372 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.480 also wonder does that mean that they saw it a 373 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.119 UFO abducting fred Ralentage's plane. 374 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.000 I think in this case it almost adds more credibility 375 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:28.200 to the story. The fact that he held this information back. 376 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.480 He wasn't looking for attention from the media, He wasn't 377 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:34.240 looking to go on and do these interviews. He just 378 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:36.960 seemed to in passing tell this to a police officer. 379 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.559 And I think it comes back to exactly what Ashley 380 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:42.839 had said earlier about how the family might have been 381 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:46.279 feeling in that you would be dealing with as an 382 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:51.039 eyewitness who saw pretty much exactly what Frederick said he experienced, 383 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:54.000 you might deal with a level of ridicule and scorn 384 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:57.519 from the public and the non believers. So to come 385 00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:59.759 forward and put your face in your name out there 386 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:02.480 something that would be really scary. So the fact that 387 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:05.119 he held this back and the information seems to be 388 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:08.400 corroborated by the other family members makes it a pretty 389 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:09.880 strong account for me personally. 390 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:13.160 Oh definitely, because some people, once they see UFOs, they 391 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:15.160 want to be like at the center of attention with 392 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:17.279 the media and see how much money they can make 393 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:19.440 and how much attention they can receive. But the fact 394 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:21.920 that he has never released his real name to this 395 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.000 day makes me think that he did not want the 396 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.880 publicity and only shared this story because he wanted to 397 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:31.240 help the Valentich family. So six weeks after Valentich's disappearance, 398 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:35.359 there was another interesting development involving a plumber slash amateur 399 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.440 photographer named Roy Manifold. He was also president at Cape 400 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:42.240 Otway on the evening of October the twenty first, and 401 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:46.039