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Speaker 4: Today we're going back almost thirty years. And it's interesting.
Speaker 4: I went back into the vault, the fact Hunter vault,
Speaker 4: and it's been almost five years since we last formally
Speaker 4: discussed this subject. Twa flight eight hundred and what a month.
Speaker 4: Monster of a rabbit hole it truly is, you know,
Speaker 4: in the realms of rabbit holes right between Waco, Oklahoma
Speaker 4: City nine to eleven, the housing market COVID in the
Speaker 4: Summer of Love in twenty twenty. This is a huge
Speaker 4: one because of the ramifications of what probably happened. Right,
Speaker 4: this is a big deal. And today we're going to
Speaker 4: talk about the official narrative, some of the theories that
Speaker 4: surround it. Going to read an article from Jack Cashell.
Speaker 4: He's the gentleman who wrote the book TWA eight hundred,
Speaker 4: The Crash, the cover up, and the conspiracy. He sold
Speaker 4: a ton of those books. It's done pretty well and
Speaker 4: it's an interesting look at it. And then we're going
Speaker 4: to in closing, Sam Princeford an article over a decade
Speaker 4: ago and it's basically the top ten facts that you
Speaker 4: need to know about TWA eight hundred, and then we
Speaker 4: will close with about a ten minute audio clip from
Speaker 4: Democracy Now and I think it was from twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5: And again it is these.
Speaker 4: People who are originally part of the investigation that were
Speaker 4: seeking a new probe. As you know, over the years,
Speaker 4: all of this new evidence has emerged. But let's get
Speaker 4: to the official narrative first, right, it was a trans
Speaker 4: world a Lines Airlines sparked me Flight eight hundred TWA.
Speaker 4: Flight air eight hundred was a scheduled international passenger flight
Speaker 4: from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City
Speaker 4: and again it was headed to Rome, Italy, with a
Speaker 4: stopover at Charles dgaul Airport in Paris, France. It was
Speaker 4: July seventeenth, nineteen ninety six, again twenty nine years ago.
Speaker 4: It was eight thirty one pm Eastern time. And remember
Speaker 4: It's July's northeast, so it was pretty It was dusk
Speaker 4: for sure, and it was about twelve minutes after takeoff.
Speaker 4: This Boeing seven forty seven exploded and crashed into the
Speaker 4: Atlantic Ocean near East Morches, New York. Obviously here in
Speaker 4: the United States. All two hundred and thirty people on
Speaker 4: board died in the crash. It is the third deadliest
Speaker 4: aviation accident in US history. Right, investigators from the NTSB,
Speaker 4: the National Transportation Safety Board, traveled to the scene, arriving
Speaker 4: the following morning. And remember that night into the morning,
Speaker 4: there was rampant speculation that a terrorist attack was the
Speaker 4: cause of the crash. So unfortunately, in addition to local authorities,
Speaker 4: the FBI and the Navy joined in the operations. Now,
Speaker 4: the problem when I said the Navy is that one
Speaker 4: of the big theories is the Navy was involved in
Speaker 4: this disaster. And in the clip we will play at
Speaker 4: the end of the podcast on democracy now you'll hear
Speaker 4: original audio from twenty nine years ago with a reporter
Speaker 4: flipping out saying, how in the world can you let
Speaker 4: the Navy be involved with this process when they are
Speaker 4: a potential part of the criminal.
Speaker 5: Part of it. Right, the criminal portion of it. That's like,
Speaker 5: if I.
Speaker 4: Commit a crime and they allow me to be a
Speaker 4: part of the investigative process, I'm going to cover my tracks.
Speaker 4: And that's probably sadly what probably happened. Sixteen months later,
Speaker 4: this Joint Task Force, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, announced
Speaker 4: that there was no evidence of a criminal act that
Speaker 4: had been found and they closed their investigation just sixteen months.
Speaker 4: And as you will hear, there was a ton of
Speaker 4: firsthand eye witnesses that saw something this flash of light.
Speaker 5: Hit the airplane.
Speaker 4: But again, when we look at all of these investigations,
Speaker 4: whether it's nine to eleven Oklahoma City.
Speaker 5: John F.
Speaker 4: Kennedy's assassination, they leave out things that would inconvenience the truth.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So you know, this four year investigation concluded with the
Speaker 4: approval of the Triple the Act what do they call it,
Speaker 4: the Aircraft Accident Report, the AAAR on August twenty third,
Speaker 4: two thousand and it ended at the time was the
Speaker 4: most extensive, complex and costly air disaster investigation in history
Speaker 4: up to that time. Now, obviously nine to eleven would
Speaker 4: dwarf this. Now, the report's conclusion was that the probable
Speaker 4: cause of the accident was the explosion of flammable fuel
Speaker 4: vapors in the center fuel tank. Again, although it could
Speaker 4: not be determined with certainty, the likely ignition source was
Speaker 4: a short circuit. So again it's another one of these
Speaker 4: magic bullet theories, right. They claimed that problem with the
Speaker 4: aircraft's wings wiring pardon me, were found, including evidence of
Speaker 4: arcing in the fuel Quantity Indication system. The FQIS on
Speaker 4: flight eight hundred is known to have been malfunctioning. The
Speaker 4: captain remarked about crazy readings from the system about two
Speaker 4: minutes and thirty seconds before the aircraft exploded. And then,
Speaker 4: of course, as in every type of disaster, whether it's
Speaker 4: the Challenger or this, they had these new requirements that
Speaker 4: were developed for aircraft to prevent future fuel tank explosions.
Speaker 4: That meant new contracts, so once again they benefit from
Speaker 4: these type of things. So you know, there's the official narrative.
Speaker 4: The crew was led by a fifty eight year old captain,
Speaker 4: Ralph G. Kovorkian, who had flown for TWA for thirty
Speaker 4: one years, and he was previously in the US Air
Speaker 4: Force before that, so you know, a well seasoned pilot
Speaker 4: of close to nineteen thousand hours right. The flight engineer
Speaker 4: was Richard Campbell sixty three. He'd also been with TWA
Speaker 4: for thirty years and the Air Force for twelve years
Speaker 4: prior to that, and had also logged eighteen thousand, five
Speaker 4: hundred flight hours. So again, these guys were not fresh
Speaker 4: out of flight school. They were seasoned veterans. So you know,
Speaker 4: the chances of it be pilot air were slim to none,
Speaker 4: and I'm pretty sure slim had left town.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: The aircraft involved was manufactured in nineteen seventy one, doesn't
Speaker 4: matter what the serial number is. It had completed close
Speaker 4: to seventeen thousand flights ninety three thousand. This is interesting
Speaker 4: for all you people like myself who like to catch numbers.
Speaker 4: Ninety three is a big number, ninety three thousand, threeh three.
Speaker 4: There's thirty three hours of operation and was powered by
Speaker 4: four Pratt and Whitney Turbofan engines. Again, the passengers two
Speaker 4: hundred and twelve came from about close to ten countries.
Speaker 4: You had forty passengers from France, one fifty two from
Speaker 4: the United States. Then you had a smattering of folks
Speaker 4: from Portugal, Sweden, Spain, Norway, Italy, Israel, Germany, and the
Speaker 4: Ivory Coast. Now, there were a few notable people on
Speaker 4: this flight. You had Michael Breistroff, he was a French
Speaker 4: ice hockey player. You had Marcel Daddy, a French guitarist.
Speaker 4: David Hogan was an American composer Jed Johnson, which is
Speaker 4: interesting Andy Warhol's partner of twelve years. And then you
Speaker 4: had pam Lynchner, who was an American crime victim's right
Speaker 4: advocate and former twa flight attended. This one was always
Speaker 4: interesting to me. You know, here's Pamela Sue Rogers Lynchner.
Speaker 4: She was this real estate agent from Houston, and she
Speaker 4: promoted the pame Lyincher Sexual Offender Trafficking and Identification Act
Speaker 4: of nineteen ninety six bill. And she was also again
Speaker 4: she was a former flight attendant. Her story goes when
Speaker 4: she and her husband Joe I'm sorry, let me back
Speaker 4: up a bit, they bought a vacant house to sell
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety so she was flipping houses, right, So
Speaker 4: when her and her husband Joe visited it to meet
Speaker 4: who they believe was a prospective buyer when they were
Speaker 4: going to flip it, a workman from a cleaning company
Speaker 4: named William David Kelly appeared and told them that he
Speaker 4: forgot to clean under the sink. Later he tried to
Speaker 4: tarrow for clothes. Joe held him as she called for help.
Speaker 4: It turns out that Kelly was already had been a
Speaker 4: convicted rapist and child molester. He had a knife and
Speaker 4: duct tape on him in his pickup truck. So again
Speaker 4: his plan was to abduct Pamela Rogers. He ended up
Speaker 4: plea bargaining and received a sentence of twenty years for
Speaker 4: aggregative kidnapping with an intent to commit sex assault. And
Speaker 4: you know she was very active in promoting these things
Speaker 4: in the Greater Houston area. And then of course, boy,
Speaker 4: I mean you talk about after dealing with all that,
Speaker 4: to die in this plane crash, it's just unthinkable, right.
Speaker 5: You had a.
Speaker 4: German fashion photographer, Rico Pullman. You had Courtney Johns, the
Speaker 4: sister of Jeff John's and the inspiration for DC Comics
Speaker 4: superhero star Girl.
Speaker 5: No idea who that is?
Speaker 4: Anna Marie Shorter, who was Wayne Shorter's second wife. Wayne
Speaker 4: Shorter very I assume he passed away a couple of
Speaker 4: years ago, but a fairly famous jazz musician.
Speaker 5: And then Jack.
Speaker 4: O'Hara, who was at one time the executive producer of
Speaker 4: ABC Sports. He perished with his wife and daughter. They
Speaker 4: were actually going to France to supervise the coverage of
Speaker 4: the Tour de France. And then there was also sixteen
Speaker 4: students and five adult chaperones from the French Club of
Speaker 4: Montersville Area High School in Pennsylvania. So, you know, when
Speaker 4: you get into the personal stories, you know, sometimes we
Speaker 4: just hear numbers, but when you get into the personal
Speaker 4: stories really brings a reality to it, right, And sometimes
Speaker 4: we forget that when we're going down these rabbit holes,
Speaker 4: the personal side of them. But if you go back
Speaker 4: and remember, and I really urge everybody to go back,
Speaker 4: there's still quite a bit of videos from the news,
Speaker 4: like when you guys heard me do the radio show
Speaker 4: and the show leading up to Oklahoma City. You can
Speaker 4: put like April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five in the news
Speaker 4: and find all these original news the local news briefs
Speaker 4: from that day. And you should do the same with
Speaker 4: twite twa flight eight hundred, because there was a lot
Speaker 4: of angry families and I had kind of forgotten about
Speaker 4: that before I did the research. There was relatives of
Speaker 4: the passengers and crew, as well as the media. They
Speaker 4: were all gathered at the Ramata Plaza JFK Hotel and
Speaker 4: many waited there for quite some time until the remains
Speaker 4: of their family had been recovered, identified and released. That
Speaker 4: hotel would earn the Moniker Heartbreak Hotel in its role
Speaker 4: of hosting the families of victims for these airline crashes.
Speaker 4: So these grieving relatives became angry because TWA was delaying
Speaker 4: the confirmation of the passenger list, There was conflicting information
Speaker 4: from different agencies and officials, and then of course there
Speaker 4: was a big mistrust of the recovery operations priorities. Well
Speaker 4: what does that mean, Well, it should lead you to
Speaker 4: believe that at that point, when they're primary concern should
Speaker 4: have been rescuing and recovery, they were more worried about
Speaker 4: covering up what happened that day.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Remember, although at that time the NTSB Vice chairman Robert
Speaker 4: Francis stated that all bodies were retrieved as soon as
Speaker 4: they were spotted right, and that wreckage was recovered only
Speaker 4: if divers believed that victims were hidden underneath. Many of
Speaker 4: the families were suspicious that investigators were not being truthful,
Speaker 4: and they were withholding information, and then this anger started
Speaker 4: to change focus from them or move, I should say
Speaker 4: to the medical examiner, Charles Wetley, as these recovered bodies
Speaker 4: were backlogged at the morgue. Now, I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: this is deserved anger or more frustrated anger. Obviously, anytime
Speaker 4: when there's you know, just something a disaster of this
Speaker 4: size of an event, you're going to get overloaded.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure he was.
Speaker 4: You know, many people just wanted to say, uh, they
Speaker 4: were killed in an air crash, get the names out
Speaker 4: and release it. But you know, maybe he was doing
Speaker 4: his job and trying to see if there was any
Speaker 4: other evidence that could have benefited the investigation. Right, But
Speaker 4: he was under constant pressure to identify victims with minimal delay.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: You get both sides of it, right, of course, But
Speaker 4: you know, some of these pathologists were working literally twenty
Speaker 4: hours a day. They were working long days to help
Speaker 4: get everyone identified.
Speaker 5: And now for.
Speaker 4: The the reality of a disaster like this, many of
Speaker 4: the victim's body were intact, but there was also many
Speaker 4: who were burned, fragmented, skeletonized, decayed, and it necessitated DNA
Speaker 4: testing and dental records. So obviously that's going to take
Speaker 4: a little bit of time. This is you know, the
Speaker 4: mid nineties, DNA and all that stuff was still relatively new.
Speaker 4: And again, the primary objective was to identify all remains
Speaker 4: rather than to perform detailed forensic autopsies, though the thoroughness
Speaker 4: of the examinations was highly variable. Right, Ultimately, the remains
Speaker 4: of all two hundred and thirty victims were recovered and identified,
Speaker 4: and the final victim occurred more than ten months after
Speaker 4: the crash. Now, the other issue you have, and we
Speaker 4: saw this in Waco, right, the lines of authority were
Speaker 4: not clear. And you know every big blockbuster movie we see,
Speaker 4: you know, Johnny Sheriff gets to the crime scene and
Speaker 4: he's doing his thing and I'm Officer Smith from the CIA.
Speaker 4: We got it from here, dag nab at CIA, and
Speaker 4: you know, they all shucks and walk away and the
Speaker 4: CIA takes over. However, when you have multiple federal agencies, right,
Speaker 4: there was different agendas. There was a different culture between
Speaker 4: the FBI and the NTSB, and it resulted in discord.
Speaker 4: So you know what, most people believe that the people
Speaker 4: on the ground who belonged to the NTSB were thoroughly
Speaker 4: ingrained in ensuring that this investigation was carried out properly. Well,
Speaker 4: it will shock you that the FBI was trying to
Speaker 4: wrap things up and look at certain things and overlook
Speaker 4: other things, right, But then you all so here, Well,
Speaker 4: it was the FBI was assuming that a criminal act
Speaker 4: had occurred.
Speaker 5: They saw the.
Speaker 4: NTSB as indecisive. So it depends on who you ask,
Speaker 4: what story you read, and what agent to be. Frank
Speaker 4: was involved in these conversations. But by all accounts, the
Speaker 4: FBI and the NTSB did not get along. Now again,
Speaker 4: there were considerable discrepancies as to the fine details in this. However,
Speaker 4: one thing that was not a discrepancy most most had
Speaker 4: seen a streak of light moving to a point where
Speaker 4: a large fireball appeared. Right, and you can find, you know,
Speaker 4: a treasure trove of information on the FBI's website, and
Speaker 4: by carefully using keywords in yandex you know, on the
Speaker 4: evening of seventeen July nineteen ninety six, blank they of
Speaker 4: course they blank out. The people's name was that the
Speaker 4: Westhampton Yank Yacht Squadron on an outside covered porch between
Speaker 4: eight thirty and eight forty five blank saw what she
Speaker 4: initially thought was a boat flare. She saw the flare
Speaker 4: when it was already at a midpoint in the sky.
Speaker 4: She was facing south overlooking Morches and I'm sorry if
Speaker 4: I'm saying this wrong, Morich's Bay and Dune Road. As
Speaker 4: she faced south, She estimated that the flare would have
Speaker 4: been at about eleven o'clock. She did not see where
Speaker 4: the flare originated from, but thought that it was as
Speaker 4: close as the bay. The flare continued ascending for about
Speaker 4: three seconds, but she took her eyes off it as
Speaker 4: she looked for a boat in the bay to where
Speaker 4: it may have came.
Speaker 5: You know where it might have come from, she said.
Speaker 4: The flare was red orange in color with white in
Speaker 4: the middle, elongated in a shape like a baseball bat.
Speaker 4: She did not see any smoke or anything trailing the flare,
Speaker 4: and again, if it was a missile or a rocket,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't have seen it because they moved so fast.
Speaker 4: It's not like a contrail from a plane, but advised
Speaker 4: that she was focusing on the light. The light seemed
Speaker 4: to be moving away from her as if further south.
Speaker 4: As the flare ascended, it suddenly turned a deeper orange
Speaker 4: and got larger but not exactly round in shape, and
Speaker 4: did not hear anything.
Speaker 5: At that point.
Speaker 4: Slowly the entire body of fire descended and became more
Speaker 4: misformed in shape. She described the shape as being like
Speaker 4: a pulled tooth. Expected the fire to descend into the bay,
Speaker 4: but lost sight of it as it descended much farther
Speaker 4: south beyond dune Road.
Speaker 5: There was a.
Speaker 4: Smoke trail that fired the mass as it descended downwards.
Speaker 4: So she described, you know, some type of missile speeding
Speaker 4: three seconds into the air, hit the plane, plane explodes.
Speaker 5: And it fell into the water.
Speaker 4: And the problem once again, the FBI strikes again. The FBI,
Speaker 4: I should say, there were eighty FBI agents who conducted
Speaker 4: interviews with tons of potential witnesses. Problem is there were
Speaker 4: no verbatim records of the witness interviews produced. Instead, the
Speaker 4: agents would conduct interviews with people, they would write it
Speaker 4: in summary and submit it. It wasn't John Doe one
Speaker 4: two three Smith, Avenue, Portland, Oregon seven seven four eight
Speaker 4: five official statement. I swear to this to be true
Speaker 4: when they sign it.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: In the military, we called them sworn statements.
Speaker 4: Now it was just agent Smith walked up to somebody
Speaker 4: who witnessed it, and he would just take notes and
Speaker 4: at the end of the day he would just write
Speaker 4: up kind of just you know, this is why I
Speaker 4: spoke to today, and this is kind of the general
Speaker 4: information we got. One guy told me this. One guy
Speaker 4: told me that made it impossible for follow up conversations.
Speaker 4: Witnesses weren't even asked to review or correct their summaries.
Speaker 4: So within days of the crash, the NTSB announced its
Speaker 4: intent to form its own witness group and to interview
Speaker 4: witnesses to the crash. Well, the FBI raised concerns about
Speaker 4: NGOs right, these non governmental parties and the atfp's investigation
Speaker 4: having access to this information making it hard for prosecutoral
Speaker 4: duties and resulting from multiple interviews from the same witnesses.
Speaker 4: So as always, the NTSB deferred and ended up staying
Speaker 4: out of it and let the FBI control, you know,
Speaker 4: the criminal portion of this. And what a huge, huge
Speaker 4: gaff by the And listen, I heard the interviews. You
Speaker 4: can't blame the families. They were there that even back then,
Speaker 4: thirty years ago, there was some pretty darn good journalists
Speaker 4: who were asking hard questions. But like everything else, they
Speaker 4: play the waiting game, and we eventually move on to
Speaker 4: the next thing, right, because what was it four months
Speaker 4: before Clinton's election? And boy, if it would have got
Speaker 4: out that the US Navy or inserts whoever it was
Speaker 4: here took out a American jetliner, it would have been
Speaker 4: a different game. A lot of people would have lost
Speaker 4: their jobs. The same with Oklahoma City. The truth got
Speaker 4: out about those other two bombs that they found in
Speaker 4: that building, and they played off. They only found one
Speaker 4: and it was oh, it was a training aid because
Speaker 4: and again, as I wrote on my substack today, anybody
Speaker 4: who's been in the military for a second knows that
Speaker 4: if something is live, you don't write training aid, and
Speaker 4: if something is a training aid, you don't write live
Speaker 4: on it. It never ever, ever, ever happened safety one
Speaker 4: oh one.
Speaker 5: Right, So.
Speaker 4: I guess now's a good time to get into the
Speaker 4: different theories of it. The first one is the explosive
Speaker 4: revenues explosive residues. As wreckage was recovered, preliminary testing indicated
Speaker 4: the presence of explosive residue on three samples of material
Speaker 4: from not one, not two, but three separate locations of
Speaker 4: the recovered airplane wreckage. These samples were submitted to the
Speaker 4: FBI's laboratory in DC, which determined that one sample contained
Speaker 4: traces of RDX. I'm not going to try to say
Speaker 4: the real name. Another was nitroglycer and that should have
Speaker 4: been a showstopper because nitroglycerin, as you guys know, is
Speaker 4: a highly explosive liquid, and it is used in various
Speaker 4: types of explosives, including those found in warheads. Right, that
Speaker 4: should have been an absolute showstopper. You had tw chief
Speaker 4: pilot Robert Stacey, who was participating in the official investigation
Speaker 4: as a representative of TWA, came he became convinced that
Speaker 4: a reddish brown substance observed on the backs of recovered
Speaker 4: passenger seats was suspicious and of course another indicator of
Speaker 4: residue or rocket fuel. Then you had identified radar tracks,
Speaker 4: which was another big one and one of the first
Speaker 4: widely reported criticisms of the official investigation was by former
Speaker 4: White House Press secretary and ex Senator Pierre Salinger, who
Speaker 4: held a press conference in con France on November seventh,
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six. Interesting, when was the election in ninety six?
Speaker 5: Did he wait? Was election? Real times?
Speaker 6: Cheer?
Speaker 5: November fifth? So the election.
Speaker 4: Was November fifth, nineteen ninety six. Bob Dole, good old
Speaker 4: Bob Dole, and Ross Perot. That that's interesting. Even if
Speaker 4: Ross Perot wasn't running and you gave Dole that eight million,
Speaker 4: it would have been uh, he still would have lost
Speaker 4: by one hundred thousand votes. But that's crazy to me
Speaker 4: that after everything that happened from ninety two to and
Speaker 4: again I get it right, elections, they're selected, not elected,
Speaker 4: But how people just didn't How we interesting time in
Speaker 4: my life then I was actually back in the military
Speaker 4: at this point. But boy, boy, yeah, Waco, Oklahoma city,
Speaker 4: this and he still pulls it off just four you know,
Speaker 4: less than four months, three months and change later.
Speaker 5: Really is what it is.
Speaker 4: So he holds a press conference two days after the election.
Speaker 4: He stated that he had proved that TWA eight hundred
Speaker 4: was shot down by friendly fire and it was being
Speaker 4: covered up by the government. Well, genius, are you telling me.
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: I guess I doubt that he threw together this press
Speaker 4: conference that quick. He had to know prior, maybe he
Speaker 4: knew the Clinton's reputation and figure he had less of
Speaker 4: a chance to be on the Clinton's body count if
Speaker 4: he waited till after the election. Right, by the way,
Speaker 4: he passed in two thousand and four, I guess he
Speaker 4: was about eighty years old. He was also, by the way,
Speaker 4: the press secretary for JFK and LBJ.
Speaker 5: Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 4: This guy was a news correspondent for Iran hostage crisis,
Speaker 4: the pan AM one H three over lockerby Scotland. And
Speaker 4: he claims again the missile being the cause of TWA
Speaker 4: flight eight hunderd. He sounds like a disclosure guy to me, right.
Speaker 5: And then there's the.
Speaker 4: Flight path after the explosion. So Another proponent of the
Speaker 4: US Navy shootdown theory was Ray Lair, right, prominent critic
Speaker 4: of the zoom climb scenario. Ray Lair was a retired
Speaker 4: United Airlines pilot. Lair was a recipient of the Laura
Speaker 4: Tabor Barber Air Safety Award by the Flight Safety Foundation
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety four. He filed an FOIA suit in
Speaker 4: US District Court on November six, two thousand and three,
Speaker 4: both against the CIA, not the FBI. The CIA and
Speaker 4: the NTSB. Lair saw documentation and data deny to him
Speaker 4: through previous request that the NTSB and the CIA use
Speaker 4: for their calculations of the zoom Climb, which was used
Speaker 4: to produce the CIA animation. Now, when he asked for
Speaker 4: his reasons to seek these documents, he said, quote, I
Speaker 4: believe that I could show that the zoom climb never happened.
Speaker 4: If the zoom climb never happened, then they've got to
Speaker 4: find out what the eyewitnesses saw, and the only logical
Speaker 4: conclusion is that they saw a missile. So in August
Speaker 4: thirty first, two thousand and six, the District Court issued
Speaker 4: an initial ruling that the evidence submitted by Lair as
Speaker 4: justification for his FYI lawsuit was quote sufficient for the
Speaker 4: plaintiff to proceed based on his claim that the government
Speaker 4: acted improperly, and that Lair should be granted to act
Speaker 4: says to some but not all, the documents he was seeking.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: In a further ruling on October four, two thousand and six,
Speaker 4: the court finalized the list of documents that the NTSB
Speaker 4: and CIA must provide to Lair, again granting some but
Speaker 4: not all of his requests. While the court reaffirmed its
Speaker 4: previous ruling that Lair had provided proof sufficient to suggest
Speaker 4: that the government acted improperly, it also clarified that this
Speaker 4: conclusion is based on a characterization of the evidence in
Speaker 4: a light most favorable to the plaintiff, but does not
Speaker 4: reflect or constitute any finding by the court. Upon being
Speaker 4: handed this verdict by the court, the agencies involved claimed
Speaker 4: that the documents had been lost and could not be located.
Speaker 4: So after all that time, effort, hard work, and winning
Speaker 4: the case, Ray Lair never received the document. Then there
Speaker 4: was a theory posited by Michael Davis in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 4: He was an American amateur geologist that bullot exploded near
Speaker 4: the airplane, and that is a large meteoroid explosively torn
Speaker 4: apart as it hits the atmosphere. It's kind of absurd,
Speaker 4: but that is one of the rumors out there.
Speaker 5: Let's move on.
Speaker 4: I encourage everyone you get it on paperback for thirteen
Speaker 4: bucks TWA TWA eight hundred, The Crash, the cover up,
Speaker 4: and the conspiracy. I'll put the link in the show
Speaker 4: notes if you'd like to check it out, but we're
Speaker 4: going to go to the article he wrote and posted
Speaker 4: on The American Thinker on July fourteenth, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: which would have been the twenty fifth anniversary. It's entitled
Speaker 4: TWA eight hundred twenty five years of deep state deception.
Speaker 4: On July seventeenth, nineteen ninety six, twa flight eight hundred
Speaker 4: a Paris bound seven forty seven out of JFK blew
Speaker 4: up off the coast of Long Island. It seems somehow
Speaker 4: fitting that James Calstrom, the public face of the FBI
Speaker 4: investigation into the plane's destruction, would die two weeks before
Speaker 4: the twenty fifth anniversary. As a patriot, a Vietnam Vet,
Speaker 4: and an outspoken credit of all things Clinton, Calstrom once
Speaker 4: held promise as one of the insiders most likely to
Speaker 4: come clean.
Speaker 5: However, he never did.
Speaker 4: As to my own involvement with this story until the
Speaker 4: evening of February twenty third, two thousand, I was as
Speaker 4: naive as a CNN anchor. Before that evening, I would
Speaker 4: have dismissed out of hand anyone who dared suggest that
Speaker 4: elements of the FBI and CIA would conspire with the
Speaker 4: White House. Oh and by the way, the New York Times,
Speaker 4: which anytime you hear New York Times, it is CIA
Speaker 4: to cover up the cause of a public disaster. February
Speaker 4: twenty third, two thousand was the night my education began.
Speaker 4: Earlier that evening, I had listened with some interest at
Speaker 4: a Kansas City country club as investigative reporter James Sanders
Speaker 4: spoke about his inquiry into the seven forty seven's fate.
Speaker 4: At a dinner afterward, I found myself sitting next to
Speaker 4: James's wife, Elizabeth, a sweet and soft spoken woman of
Speaker 4: Philippine descent. She filled me in on all the personal details.
Speaker 4: At the time of the disaster, she was a trainer
Speaker 4: for TWA. She had been a flight attendant for some
Speaker 4: years before that. Of the two hundred and thirty people
Speaker 4: killed on that ill fated flight, fifty three were TWA employees,
Speaker 4: many of them were Elizabeth's friends. At one point of
Speaker 4: the numerous memorial services, Elizabeth introduced James to Terry Stacy,
Speaker 4: a seven forty seven manager and a pilot who was
Speaker 4: working on the investigation. We need to talk, Stacy told Sanders,
Speaker 4: and so began a relationship that would end with James
Speaker 4: and Elizabeth being convicted of conspiracy in a federal court.
Speaker 4: What was Elizabeth's crime introducing her to pardon me, introducing
Speaker 4: her husband to her friend? It went no deeper than that.
Speaker 4: What was James's crime? Reporting that the US Navy had
Speaker 4: inadvertently shot down TWA eight hundred. It went no deeper
Speaker 4: than that. Meeting Elizabeth and hearing her story was what
Speaker 4: opened my eyes. A government that arrested and tried Elizabeth
Speaker 4: could arrest my wife, my sister, and my daughter. At
Speaker 4: the time, I was producing corporate videos and TV commercials.
Speaker 4: I was curious enough to meet the Sanders for breakfast
Speaker 4: to talk about making a documentary. Still skeptical, I explained
Speaker 4: that I wanted nothing to do with a quote might have,
Speaker 4: could have scenario. James would go on to prove to
Speaker 4: me beyond reasonable doubt that the plane had been shot
Speaker 4: down before we proceeded. Willing to try, James invited me
Speaker 4: to the couple's Fort Lauderdale condo to reviews his materials.
Speaker 4: Before leaving, I read the two mainstream books written on
Speaker 4: the crash, won by Patricia Milton of the Associated Press,
Speaker 4: the other by Christine Nagrony of CNN. At the time,
Speaker 4: I found it difficult to believe that major media reporters
Speaker 4: could miss a story as large as a missile strike
Speaker 4: on a seven forty seven. After three days, my only
Speaker 4: question was why and how they missed the story. So
Speaker 4: began my deep dive into this doomed flight. One documentary
Speaker 4: and two books later, I can say with one hundred
Speaker 4: percent confidence that missile fire destroyed TWA flight eight hundred.
Speaker 4: I can say with ninety five percent confidence, that the
Speaker 4: US Navy fired those missiles. As James Sanders will attest,
Speaker 4: I resisted that latter conclusion until the evidence was overwhelming.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to believe it was true. It's one
Speaker 4: thing to believe that a missile took out an American flight,
Speaker 4: but it's an entire other beast to know that it
Speaker 4: was the American military. Along the way, I have communicated
Speaker 4: with scores of witnesses, either to the crash itself or
Speaker 4: the investigation. I've had lunch with the then NTSB chairman,
Speaker 4: Christopher Hart, and had a couple of interesting phone calls
Speaker 4: with Calstrum. I'd met with relevant reporters from the New
Speaker 4: York Times, Washington Post, Fox News, the latter of whom
Speaker 4: slip who slipped me in eye opening video that his
Speaker 4: network was afraid to air, which is funny because Fox
Speaker 4: News was the one that did the extensive deep dive
Speaker 4: into these Raelis on nine to eleven. Let me recount
Speaker 4: one unexpected phone call that speaks to the way the
Speaker 4: deep State works when protected by the media and the
Speaker 4: White House. I took the call in spring of two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine. The caller introduced herself as Witness seventy three.
Speaker 4: She asked, do you know who I am?
Speaker 6: I did?
Speaker 4: Indeed, she was arguably the single most important eye witness
Speaker 4: according to her FBI three two. Witness seventy three quote
Speaker 4: observed an aircraft climbing in the sky, traveling from her
Speaker 4: right tour left, so this would have been from the
Speaker 4: west JFK Airport in New York City towards the east,
Speaker 4: eventually Paris, the original destination of TWA eight hundred. While
Speaker 4: keeping her eyes on the aircraft, she observed a red
Speaker 4: streak moving up from the ground toward the aircraft at
Speaker 4: approximately a forty five degree angle. The red streak was
Speaker 4: leaving a light gray colored oak trail. The red streak
Speaker 4: went past the right side and above the aircraft before
Speaker 4: arcing back toward the aircraft's right wing. She never took
Speaker 4: her eyes off the aircraft during this time. The report continued.
Speaker 4: At the instant the smoke turl ended the aircraft's right wing,
Speaker 4: she heard a loud, sharp, noise which sounded like a
Speaker 4: firecracker had just exploded at her feet. She then observed
Speaker 4: a fire at the aircraft, followed by one or two
Speaker 4: secondary explosions which had a much deeper sound. She then
Speaker 4: observed the front of the aircraft separate from the back.
Speaker 4: She then observed burning pieces up debris falling from the aircraft.
Speaker 4: Weeks before the FBI and the NTSB were able to
Speaker 4: piece together the breakup sequence of the aircraft, she had
Speaker 4: nailed it, according to a later FBI report. However, when
Speaker 4: agents went back to Witness seventy three for a second interview,
Speaker 4: she admitted she'd been drinking a Long Island iced tea
Speaker 4: before the crash and wasn't quite sure what she had seen.
Speaker 4: When I asked her about the drinks during our two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine investigation, she told me, quote, I don't
Speaker 4: even know what a Long Island iced tea is, So
Speaker 4: our friends at the FBI made that up and discredit her.
Speaker 4: How evil is that? How evil is that? Casual went
Speaker 4: on to ask her, could it have been another drink?
Speaker 4: She said, no, I don't drink at all. And there's
Speaker 4: something else you don't know, something stranger. There was no
Speaker 4: second interview, they made it all up. He said, there's
Speaker 4: something you may not know. You're not the only witness.
Speaker 4: They did that too. Witness seventy three was one of
Speaker 4: more than seven hundred witnesses to the crash that the
Speaker 4: FBI interviewed. By the NTSB's count, she was one of
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty eight eye witnesses who saw this
Speaker 4: rising streak of light, one of fifty six who followed
Speaker 4: that light from the horizon to the plane. Of the
Speaker 4: fifty six, according to are our Solid reporters at the
Speaker 4: New York Times, interviewed exactly none.
Speaker 5: So that's you know.
Speaker 4: We talk about a few key things every single week
Speaker 4: on this podcast. One is the control of education. But
Speaker 4: another big, one, huge one is the control of the media,
Speaker 4: because you can control the narrative of any story. Hundreds
Speaker 4: of people saw this happen, and they were able to
Speaker 4: control the narrative and everything just went away with time.
Speaker 5: It's egregious right.
Speaker 4: Illegally but publicly, the FBI ceded control of the investigation
Speaker 4: from the NTSB within hours of the crash, illegally but covertly.
Speaker 4: According to CIA documents, the Director of Intelligence became involved
Speaker 4: in the missile theory the day after the crash occurred.
Speaker 4: According to the CIA, within two weeks of the disaster,
Speaker 4: FBI agents had interviewed one hundred and forty four excellent
Speaker 4: eyewitnesses to a likely missile strike and found evidence for
Speaker 4: such a strike overwhelming. The CIA analysts boasted of discouraging
Speaker 4: the FBI from releasing its missile report. He seems to
Speaker 4: have succeeded right at the FBI's direction. The Times ran
Speaker 4: a front page headline on August twenty third, nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 4: prime evidence found that device exploded in cabin of TWA
Speaker 4: eight hundred. For nearly a month, the Times ran with
Speaker 4: the bomb scenario on September eighteenth. However, the Times signaled
Speaker 4: the government switched from a bomb to a mechanical failure
Speaker 4: explanation on September twentieth to explain away the explosive residue.
Speaker 4: The FBI claimed that the TWA eight hundred aircraft had
Speaker 4: previously been used in law enforcement training exercise for bomb
Speaker 4: detention dogs. So again, do you see how all these stories, well,
Speaker 4: how do you explain this? Well, we put bomb residue
Speaker 4: on it, so every time it pulled into a freaking airport.
Speaker 5: The dogs would be going nuts. The same with the.
Speaker 4: Oh I saw an at four, I saw a law.
Speaker 4: You know, all these government cover ups, they are in lockstep.
Speaker 4: As as was easily proved, the testing question did not
Speaker 4: take place on the TWA eight hundred plane, and the
Speaker 4: training aids did not match in placement nor in composition
Speaker 4: to the explosive residue found, the eyewitnesses were not so
Speaker 4: easily explained away. With the NTSB illegally shut out of
Speaker 4: witness review, the FBI turned the task over to the CIA.
Speaker 4: That point, working with just a third of the witness statements,
Speaker 4: our good friends, our good, trustworthy friends, that the CIA
Speaker 4: concluded that the center fuel tank spontaneously exploded, blowing the
Speaker 4: nose off the seven forty seven. Again, the eyewitnesses saw
Speaker 4: the noseless, the noseless aircraft to send more than three
Speaker 4: thousand feet mimicking the path of a missile. The Steele
Speaker 4: dossier was more substantial than this concocted nonsense. To construct it,
Speaker 4: the CIA created at least three critical witness statements from
Speaker 4: the whole cloth witness seventy threes included, and flagrantly corrupted
Speaker 4: more than two hundred others with a massive assist from
Speaker 4: the New York Times. The CIA got away with a scam,
Speaker 4: having to account for only a tragic mechanical failure. Bill
Speaker 4: Clinton was re elected president November, and the deep state
Speaker 4: led out a deep sign of relief. And why do
Speaker 4: people agree to these covers?
Speaker 5: Is it? Pressure?
Speaker 4: Is it when you get into these high positions of
Speaker 4: accountability and the CIA? You know, are you corrupted? Are
Speaker 4: you Epstein like? You know, corrupted? Pictures taking of you
Speaker 4: in awkward places? Why are their whistleblowers? Did they just
Speaker 4: disappear and they squelched the story? Compartmentalization is probably a
Speaker 4: big part of it. Everybody has their own little area
Speaker 4: and they only give me the attention to who can.
Speaker 5: You know, champion the narrative?
Speaker 4: And of course no one breathed more easily than the
Speaker 4: deputy Attorney General who successfully oversaw the investigation, Jamie Gorlick,
Speaker 4: with a nod from Clinton. Gorlick left the DOJ in
Speaker 4: ninety seven to take a job with Fannie May. Oh
Speaker 4: you got to be Kidney, no connection there, where's my
Speaker 4: There we go? He led Fanny May in a good way. Right,
Speaker 4: They're lacking any relevant experience. Jamie would make more than
Speaker 4: twenty six million dollars in salaries, bonuses, performance pay in
Speaker 4: stock options over the next five years in helping run
Speaker 4: Fanny May into the ground. And in two thousand and four,
Speaker 4: the patriot that she is, Gorlic left that lucrative gig
Speaker 4: to become just one of five Democratic appointment.
Speaker 5: Teas to the nine eleven Commission.
Speaker 4: So let me explain that again, Jamie her Jamie Gorlic
Speaker 4: left the DOJ in ninety seven, took a job with
Speaker 4: Fannie May, right, made twenty six million, ran into the ground,
Speaker 4: and then also was on the nine to eleven Commission.
Speaker 4: It doesn't get any deeper than that when you talk
Speaker 4: about the deep the deep state. Right, So, with the
Speaker 4: twenty fifth anniversary at hand, we have at least one
Speaker 4: chance left before the story becomes history to break as news.
Speaker 4: James Sanders continues to push the FBI and dj for
Speaker 4: the buried evidence he knows will prove out his theory.
Speaker 4: But to overcome media resistance, someone with serious firsthand information
Speaker 4: needs to come forward. And again, if you know anyone
Speaker 4: who really has evidence, you can still to this day
Speaker 4: contact him at Cashel dot com. And there's a few
Speaker 4: people out there, you know, like me, I like to
Speaker 4: talk about all of the conspiracies, but there's people out
Speaker 4: there who focus in on one and that's all they
Speaker 4: concentrate on. Jack Cashell again, who wrote this article July fourteenth,
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. He's he is all over this like
Speaker 4: grave on potatoes. And again, there's so much evidence out
Speaker 4: there to prove that these people were killed by our
Speaker 4: own US Navy. Before we get to our audio clip,
Speaker 4: let's talk about Sam Prince Rebec June twenty fourth, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4: The top ten facts that you need to know about
Speaker 4: TWA Flight eight hundred number one, which we mentioned the
Speaker 4: explosive fresh you do right. The wreckage recovery and chemical
Speaker 4: testing began immediately and in the initial reports again these
Speaker 4: FBI scientists stated that they found RDX, nitroglycerin, and a
Speaker 4: combination of RDX and PETN that was concentrated on an
Speaker 4: area on the right side of cabin rows of fifteen
Speaker 4: through twenty five. If you go to what Really Happened
Speaker 4: dot com, they talk about you know how these are
Speaker 4: all necessary components in military grade bomb making. P ETN
Speaker 4: is also commonly found both in nuclear and non nuclear
Speaker 4: miss warheads. Even more alarming, these three chemicals were found
Speaker 4: in an area with a strange red residue, which is
Speaker 4: a known indicator of rocket combustion. And again this information
Speaker 4: was not public knowledge until a month later. Number two,
Speaker 4: seven hundred and thirty six people claimed that they saw
Speaker 4: a missile or two in some cases hit the aircraft.
Speaker 4: At the same time the FBI was conducting this analysis
Speaker 4: in their labs, they were also conducting interviews right what
Speaker 4: these long Islanders saw in the sky moments before the
Speaker 4: explosion occurred. Now, several of the interviewees included experienced military personnel.
Speaker 4: How about Major Fritz Meyer, who watched the event while
Speaker 4: flying a National Guard helicopter. He was one of the
Speaker 4: military personnel interview quote. Meyer said he saw a trail
Speaker 4: of white headed for the plane, and then four explosions
Speaker 4: before the ultimate fuel tank explosion that erupted into a fireball.
Speaker 4: But when Meyer approached the FBI to give his testimony,
Speaker 4: a five minute interview with a single agent who took
Speaker 4: no notes was the only time he was given. And
Speaker 4: that is let me finish. Meyer is a Vietnam War
Speaker 4: combat veteran who flew forty six rescue missions Vietnam and
Speaker 4: was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross.
Speaker 5: It's a heck of an honor.
Speaker 4: But despite the witness's credibility, the FBI never contacted him again.
Speaker 4: A five minute interview, and that's anytime the government gets
Speaker 4: enough pressure, that's what they give you five minutes. When
Speaker 4: people were raising Caine about desert storm syndrome and the
Speaker 4: vaccines and the kerosene they were using to keep the
Speaker 4: dust down. These brain surgeons dust, how we.
Speaker 5: Keep it down?
Speaker 4: Well, we're going to spray kerosene on the roads and
Speaker 4: all the other things that went on. You know, all
Speaker 4: these people who were ill went to DC to speak
Speaker 4: in August of nineteen ninety five, and if you go
Speaker 4: to c SPAN in the archives, you'll see my father
Speaker 4: was the first one to speak. He was given five minutes.
Speaker 4: That's about what the government is willing to give your
Speaker 4: voice in a lifetime.
Speaker 5: Five minutes.
Speaker 4: Later, Major Fritz Meyer personally filed and f David pending
Speaker 4: the four year long investigation. Here is his excerpt of
Speaker 4: his official statement. This is an excerpt of his official statement,
Speaker 4: and he went on to basically what we just mentioned.
Speaker 4: Let's get to the other eyewitnesses. Right on August fifteen,
Speaker 4: two thousand, some witnesses of the event, still frustrated being
Speaker 4: given the time of day by the FBI and NTSB
Speaker 4: had formed the TWA eight hundred I Witness Alliance, and
Speaker 4: they took out a full page ad in the Washington
Speaker 4: Times to highlight the struggles of their ignored truth. Then,
Speaker 4: of course there was quite a media blackout. One of
Speaker 4: the both, I should say one of the bigger complaints
Speaker 4: of both, not just the civilians but the media a pundits,
Speaker 4: was a lack of any official confirmation on whether or
Speaker 4: not this explosive residue had been found, despite reports from
Speaker 4: all these leaked sources. And of course who did it
Speaker 4: frustrate the most the survivor's family. There was an online
Speaker 4: article from August twenty third, nineteen ninety six from CNN.
Speaker 4: A key investigator of the crash of TWA Flight hundred
Speaker 4: TWA Flight eight hundred say that five times declined Friday
Speaker 4: to confirm or deny a CNN report that a trace
Speaker 4: of explosives had been found in the wreckage of the
Speaker 4: passenger cabin. Robert Francis of the NTSB also refused to comment.
Speaker 4: And this is this thing we continue to allow them
Speaker 4: to get away with when you are in a government agency,
Speaker 4: you must be transparent. That's not the world we live in.
Speaker 4: Rules for thee but not for me.
Speaker 5: Right. It took another week.
Speaker 4: It was August thirtieth when they finally broke their silence
Speaker 4: that they had found traces of RDX and they had
Speaker 4: found traces of PETN right, and the last of them
Speaker 4: we have pretty much covered as well, So we're I
Speaker 4: think that's a good wrap into everything that we had covered.
Speaker 4: I guess one other thing that we should talk about
Speaker 4: is if you have epics. I think if you go
Speaker 4: to your ROQ, you put into TWA flight eight hundred.
Speaker 4: There was a documentary directed by Christina Borgesen and she
Speaker 4: alleges that it was a cover up. And then if
Speaker 4: you go to September nineteenth, twenty twenty two, the families
Speaker 4: of fifteen victims filed Krick versus Raytheon alleging the cause
Speaker 4: of the flight's explosion was the testing of the Ageous
Speaker 4: Combat System. So this lawsuit alleges that the defense system
Speaker 4: fired RIM sixty six standard SM two missiles at aerial
Speaker 4: targets in close proximity to flight paths, resulting in the
Speaker 4: friendly fire incident. The lawsuit then alleges that the Department
Speaker 4: of Defense and the FBI covered up the incident. On
Speaker 4: October twelfth, twenty twenty three, Judge Angel Kelly denied the
Speaker 4: defendant's request to have the case dismissed. And it's interesting
Speaker 4: to follow to see where this goes because Raytheon obviously
Speaker 4: is a huge part of the military industrial complex, and
Speaker 4: you have the age's combat system with this, you know,
Speaker 4: this integrated naval weapons system that uses you know, this
Speaker 4: highly intelligent computer and radars to track guided weapons to
Speaker 4: destroy targets. And again lackeyed Martin is now the one
Speaker 4: producing it, which is interesting because you know, Raytheon, I
Speaker 4: think think was the one that originally came up with it.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: RCA is a part of it as well, and it
Speaker 4: was known to have issues with this age's system. The
Speaker 4: radar and weapons control system was about half a billion
Speaker 4: dollar contract and it was tested originally. They set it
Speaker 4: up near Exit four of the New Jersey Turnpike, which
Speaker 4: is not far from here, over the Delaware Memorial Bridge
Speaker 4: and up the turnpike you go right Exit Seven's Great Adventure. Right,
Speaker 4: so Exit four which, if not, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 4: that's near where Fort Dick used to be in the
Speaker 4: general range. So what they did was they said it
Speaker 4: you know the radar right, and it merely watched the
Speaker 4: local general aviation traffic. Now, it's first active test involved
Speaker 4: the shooting down of ten out of eleven drones, all
Speaker 4: on courses known it in advance to the system's operator,
Speaker 4: so they know where it was going. It was deployed
Speaker 4: on the Taykonder Roga class ships. The AEGIS first saw
Speaker 4: combat in the Persian Gulf in nineteen eighty eight, where, oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, it locked onto an Airbus three hundred
Speaker 4: but misidentified it as a much smaller F fourteen. The
Speaker 4: AEGIS also reported that the target was descending, even though
Speaker 4: the airbus was in fact climbing and aired on the
Speaker 4: altitude by four thousand feet. And again, the combination of
Speaker 4: all these errors convinced many people that the airbus was
Speaker 4: shot down by this AEGIS system. So again, it's a
Speaker 4: lot there's a lot of theories out there. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of reasons why they would want this, you know,
Speaker 4: the truth suppressed, especially in a time when you're you know,
Speaker 4: twelve weeks away from an election and everything else. Just
Speaker 4: a very turbulent time uh in our nation's history. But again,
Speaker 4: there's the truth and there's everything else. This is a
Speaker 4: multi layered, multifaceted conspiracy that when you get to the
Speaker 4: point where you're manipulating people's statements, it is officially a
Speaker 4: cover up one Unfortunately, once again, like everything else, will
Speaker 4: will never get the truth, the who, the what's, the whys?
Speaker 4: It was an error, whose era, why was it covered up?
Speaker 4: Who was involved in the cover up, and why aren't
Speaker 4: they sitting in jail? So I look forward to your
Speaker 4: emails regarding TWA Flight eight hundred, and we are going
Speaker 4: to close with this ten minute clip from Democracy Now Again.
Speaker 4: This is from I Believe twenty thirteen Did the US
Speaker 4: government lie about TWA Flight eight hundred.
Speaker 2: We begin with a look at shocking new claims about
Speaker 2: an airplane crash that happened seventeen years ago. More than
Speaker 2: two hundred people were killed when TWA Flight eight hundred
Speaker 2: burst into flames just minutes after taking off from New
Speaker 2: York on July seventeenth, nineteen ninety six. The cause of
Speaker 2: that explosion has been in dispute ever since. Government investigators
Speaker 2: say it was most likely triggered by a failure in
Speaker 2: the plane's electrical system, but many witnesses say they saw
Speaker 2: a streak of light move toward the plane before the explosion. Now,
Speaker 2: six investigators who participated in the original probe of the
Speaker 2: crash have come forward to request that the case be reopened.
Speaker 2: They've petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board to reactivate its investigation.
Speaker 2: Their stories are featured in a new film directed by
Speaker 2: Christina Borgesen, a former CBS News producer. Will be joined
Speaker 2: by her later in the broadcast, but first we look
Speaker 2: at Christina's seventeen year struggle to discover what happened on
Speaker 2: the night TWA Flight eight hundred went down. Her story
Speaker 2: is featured in the film Shadows of Liberty, directed by
Speaker 2: Jean Philipe Tromblai. This clip also includes former assistant FBI
Speaker 2: director James Caylstrom, the former New York Congressional aid Kelly O'Mara,
Speaker 2: and journalist Philip Weiss.
Speaker 7: On the night of July seventeenth, nineteen ninety six, Flight
Speaker 7: TWA eight hundred was en route from New York City
Speaker 7: to Paris, carrying two hundred and thirty passengers when disasters struck.
Speaker 1: Bringing you up today to TWA flight A seven forty
Speaker 1: seven aircraft has gone down.
Speaker 6: Seeing the water.
Speaker 8: Down there, get into burning records from that plane.
Speaker 3: That day, I was at CBS and my executive producer
Speaker 3: called me down and told me to look into it.
Speaker 9: And it completely changed my life. Shifted my paradigm.
Speaker 7: As borgeous and investigated the crash for CBS News. Many
Speaker 7: people reported something disturbing they'd seen in the night sky.
Speaker 3: All these eyewitnesses said they'd seen something go up, then
Speaker 3: they followed it up to where the plane was, and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, the plane exploded.
Speaker 7: With different reports emerging about twa eight hundred, the FBI
Speaker 7: declared the surrounding area a crime scene.
Speaker 10: If it is a terrorist event, we then have the
Speaker 10: challenge to find out who the perpetrators were, who the
Speaker 10: colleges were.
Speaker 9: That did this.
Speaker 7: As Navy divers were called to recover the plane's wreckage,
Speaker 7: rumors of friendly fire emerged.
Speaker 3: That first FBI press conference. I went to some guy,
Speaker 3: raised his hand and he said, why is the Navy
Speaker 3: involved in the recovery when they are suspect. Castrom just
Speaker 3: pointed at him and he goes remove him, and then
Speaker 3: everybody continued as if as if this hadn't happened, and
Speaker 3: to my mind, we should have all pressed on that
Speaker 3: question that.
Speaker 10: Friendly fire was not involved in this incident, and I
Speaker 10: used the strongest terms I could use. I said it
Speaker 10: was highly highly highly highly highly unlikely.
Speaker 7: Despite FBI denials, Borgison's research uncovered a different scenario based
Speaker 7: on the Navy's activity on the night of the disaster.
Speaker 3: When they released the radar information, they only gave half
Speaker 3: of it. They cut it off right when you could
Speaker 3: see that there were all these military vessels in this
Speaker 3: exercise zone that was right there.
Speaker 8: Not only were there shifts there, but there actually was
Speaker 8: a live fire exercise going on off the coast that night,
Speaker 8: and that's why they had closed down the flight corridor
Speaker 8: that is parallel to the commercial flight PADNA eight.
Speaker 10: CENTUMWA eight.
Speaker 5: CWA eight. I think that would him.
Speaker 7: I think so, I've paver.
Speaker 8: When there's a distress, you were supposed to, by law
Speaker 8: of the seat, go and try and help. These ships
Speaker 8: went in the absolute opposite direction away from the crash
Speaker 8: site and at thirty knots.
Speaker 7: The search for clear cut evidence continued, and Borgson was
Speaker 7: offered a piece of seat fabric from the plane that
Speaker 7: had undergone preliminary testing.
Speaker 1: The test had revealed that there were heavy metals in
Speaker 1: it that were consistent with a missile strike that went
Speaker 1: through the planet at a certain point where this seat
Speaker 1: was very close to and Christina received a sample to
Speaker 1: do independent verification.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just amazing. How many times do
Speaker 3: you get hard evidence from something. I had no idea
Speaker 3: there was going to be any problem whatsoever.
Speaker 7: As CBS News gave Borgis and the go ahead to
Speaker 7: accept the seat fabric, she was close to discovering whether
Speaker 7: a missile strike had brought down the plane, and.
Speaker 3: I was looking around for a lamp, and that's when
Speaker 3: the FBI called and said, you have a piece of
Speaker 3: stolen evidence. To my great disappointment, in dismay, CBS just
Speaker 3: gave it break back.
Speaker 9: CBS has given federal investigators a piece of cloth purportedly from.
Speaker 8: The down to TWA flight eight hundred.
Speaker 1: The FBI wanted a fabric because CBS folded like an
Speaker 1: ice cube in the sun. They just went They decided,
Speaker 1: this is not a story we're going to fight for.
Speaker 1: It was a great moment of spinelessness on the corporate
Speaker 1: media's part.
Speaker 10: No evidence has been fouled, which would indicate that a
Speaker 10: criminal act was the cause of the tragedy of tw
Speaker 10: WAY Flight eight hundred. The law enforcement team has looked
Speaker 10: at every theory and has left no stone unturned.
Speaker 7: With eyewitness accounts of a possible missile strike still unexplained.
Speaker 7: The CIA produced an animation. It was broadcast nationally.
Speaker 1: When they showed that animation, it wasn't like. They then
Speaker 1: went out and talked to the fishing boat captain who
Speaker 1: had seen something completely.
Speaker 6: Different flames visible to eyewitnesses more than forty miles away.
Speaker 1: I did, and they said, this is ridiculous. This is
Speaker 1: not describe what I saw.
Speaker 6: As the aircraft descented. It produced an increasingly visible for video.
Speaker 3: Was shown on Network TV, It was shown nationally. It
Speaker 3: was shown over and over.
Speaker 6: To date, there is no evidence that any eyewitness saw
Speaker 6: missile shoot down TWA Flight eight hundred.
Speaker 1: The press bought it. The press bought the government version
Speaker 1: of events.
Speaker 7: At the time of the disaster. Westinghouse, a nuclear power
Speaker 7: company and major defense contractor, owned CBS News.
Speaker 8: Any logical person would go, well, where does the vast
Speaker 8: majority of their money come from government contracting? If Christina
Speaker 8: were getting too close to the truth, would they shut
Speaker 8: down the investigation, or would they lose their government contracts.
Speaker 8: I mean, these are logical questions that you have to
Speaker 8: wonder what's more important to CBS.
Speaker 7: Ultimately, Borgison's pursuit of what happened that night challenged the
Speaker 7: priorities of corporate media.
Speaker 3: I walked into this meeting of news executives.
Speaker 9: I said, why aren't we covering this?
Speaker 3: Guy looks up at me and he goes, oh, you
Speaker 3: think it's a missile, don't you?
Speaker 1: And I said, I don't know what.
Speaker 8: It is, but I'll tell you it's not.
Speaker 3: A straightforward thing. There's something going on here.
Speaker 1: And there was just this silence.
Speaker 9: And I was just looking at it, this sea.
Speaker 3: Of white shirts, And as I turned around and left,
Speaker 3: I just like, God, you know, my goose is cooked here?
Speaker 3: And it was, you know, I was out.
Speaker 2: A few weeks later.
Speaker 7: The government's official explanation of the disaster mechanical failure hasn't
Speaker 7: been proven, and questions still remain.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you with absolute certainty what happened.
Speaker 5: When that many people die, You.
Speaker 3: Owe it to them and to the other people who
Speaker 3: are getting on those planes every day to find out
Speaker 3: what really happened.
Speaker 8: We had an explosion about that.
Speaker 2: Grew up in the air and every through fireball.
Speaker 3: Go down into the water.
Speaker 6: On July seventeenth, nineteen ninety six, TWA Flight eight hundred
Speaker 6: exploded in the sky. A missile or some kind of
Speaker 6: streaking object was seen in the sky at the same
Speaker 6: time TWA Flight eight hundred exploded.
Speaker 7: I saw an object rise out of the ocean.
Speaker 6: Was moving very rapidly and then started climbing, passing my
Speaker 6: altitudes and the explosion.
Speaker 7: And the very next day the FBI came to talk
Speaker 7: to me and said, you did not see that.
Speaker 2: You saw nothing.
Speaker 6: The TWA Flight eight hundred in flight breakup was initiated
Speaker 6: by a fuel air explosion in the center wing tank.
Speaker 4: We didn't find any part of the airplane in adicating
Speaker 4: a mechanical failure.
Speaker 2: Explosive forces came from outside the airplane, not the center
Speaker 2: fuel tank.
Speaker 6: D FBI did all the interviewing of eyewitnesses.
Speaker 2: No witness was ever allowed to testify or do that
Speaker 2: kind of cover up to be tolerated.
Speaker 5: That makes me fighting mad. TWA Flight eight hundred and
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