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<v Speaker 1>From Workhouse Connect and aj Benze fame. Uh he'd liked

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<v Speaker 1>to be walked on a leash and play really dirty

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<v Speaker 1>kinky sex games. Is uh the guy put the cock

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<v Speaker 1>in the peacock network. Okay, bitch, Hey, everybody AJ Benzi

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<v Speaker 1>here with same is a bitch. This is your daily

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<v Speaker 1>Unfiltered podcast for November twelfth, twenty twenty five. One one

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<v Speaker 1>one two oh two five. See I read that little

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<v Speaker 1>little confusing one one one two two oh two five

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<v Speaker 1>like the sound of that good day. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>great day. It is taping on Veterans Day right I

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<v Speaker 1>am taping on Veterans Day right now. And as we

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<v Speaker 1>said yesterday and I've said throughout the day, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>all for your service. There are people who were on

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<v Speaker 1>this show who are patrons who uh served in foreign countries.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have brothers and sisters and fathers and others grandfathers,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all of us to some degree or from

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<v Speaker 1>military families. I'm very proud about that. I remember. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why I remember this, but it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my memory is like an elephant's, but this is a

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<v Speaker 1>foggy one. I remember for some reason me, Kenny, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe my good buddy, our good buddy, Ronnie kinnear Whitey.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember us going to the post office and having

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<v Speaker 1>to put our name down, not to be submitted for

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<v Speaker 1>the draft per se, but it was something along those lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though Vietnam was over. This is like seventy seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was some kind of question maybe that the

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<v Speaker 1>draft could be reinstated, and guys our age had to

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<v Speaker 1>put our names in. I remember that, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember the specific details. But I recall us being a

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<v Speaker 1>little nervous, laughing a lot as we drove to the

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<v Speaker 1>post office, and not knowing what was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have concocted that whole thing in my head. We

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<v Speaker 1>definitely went to the post office names down on some

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<v Speaker 1>piece of paper. Anyhow, I you know, I like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of you. I came from a family whose father served,

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<v Speaker 1>and back in the seventies when Richard Nixon and George

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<v Speaker 1>McGovern were battling it out, my house was not the loving,

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful household that I described to you guys. For the

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<v Speaker 1>last eight years. My father was a staunch supporter of

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<v Speaker 1>America and the war, he and his brothers having served

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<v Speaker 1>in World War Two, enlisting the day after Pearl Harbor.

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<v Speaker 1>My father was underage and still went. They all served

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<v Speaker 1>in different factions. And I you know, obviously whose stories

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<v Speaker 1>are magnificent. They weren't magnificent. Those stories of World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>They were chilling, They were fun. They were just filled

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<v Speaker 1>with camaraderie and just you know, I love talking to

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<v Speaker 1>people who saw who saw war. When I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>to as I was driving, how lucky I am. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of us, I suppose, but I turned it into

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<v Speaker 1>a career to be near men who went to World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two. And the topic on the radio was something

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<v Speaker 1>about the Battle of the Bulge. And I remember saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle Lui and Uncle Nikki fought in the Battle

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<v Speaker 1>of Bulch. My mother's brothers fought in the Battle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bulch. I remember those stories. They come over and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Battle of the Bulch. And you had

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<v Speaker 1>guys who stormed the beach in Normandy. You had all

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<v Speaker 1>different sorts of relatives who fought in different wars overseas,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course those guys came back with tremendous stories

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<v Speaker 1>to tell. Whether it was at the dinner table, or

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<v Speaker 1>in a car, or on the boat, or on a

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<v Speaker 1>wedding or a function. You just I couldn't unglue myself

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<v Speaker 1>from those stories. So you know, you ask somebody, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what makes you want to tell stories? And what you know?

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<v Speaker 1>What about your past? You know? Motivated you want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk and tell stories because I was raised by men

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<v Speaker 1>who had wonderful stories. It just they captivated me. You

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't help but listen. And I wasn't one of those

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<v Speaker 1>kids who went to bed. I'd never bedtime. My mother tried,

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<v Speaker 1>aj come on ten o'clock, go to bed. My father

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<v Speaker 1>lily live my alone, let me alone, hej you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear me? Uncle Nicky, Uncle Frankie talk. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to hearncle Yeah, Dad, Okay, please go away, go go

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<v Speaker 1>to the kitchen. It was that kind of world. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'd sit there, my eyes would sometimes close half masks,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd wake up because there was a funny story. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a different, different era. Those men are gone,

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<v Speaker 1>so those women. My buddy tough Tony Botch sent me

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<v Speaker 1>a text this morning. I want to cry. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to cry. Picture of his mom. He says, this

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<v Speaker 1>is my mom. I think she's in her early seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Here reminds me of your sister, Rosalie. Both classy. My

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<v Speaker 1>mom had a great complexion. Italian women are aged well.

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<v Speaker 1>Irish boughs looked like washed out trucks. I didn't prove

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<v Speaker 1>read that before I read it. But they're making a

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<v Speaker 1>poster out of this picture for a son's wedding next weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I was just thinking, like it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wrote back to my says, Tony, those those

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<v Speaker 1>women are gone, bro, you know those women are all

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<v Speaker 1>but gone. And he said, quite correct. They were tougher

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<v Speaker 1>than the beta males of today. God damn right, they

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<v Speaker 1>were Jesus Christ, were they tougher anyhow? My sister Rosalie,

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<v Speaker 1>she's hobbling around with a bum knee, a bum hip,

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking sciatica. Oh I just didn't heating pig. Could

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<v Speaker 1>you get me a title and all? Rosalie, you have percocet,

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<v Speaker 1>your doctor Piscott. Take a pill? No, no, I ignore,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, I don't want that. I'll fall asleep. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to watch this movie if it was me and

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<v Speaker 1>it's been me, gave me the pills. I want the

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<v Speaker 1>pain pills now no, not her. My mother never took

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<v Speaker 1>anything either. Never she took librium to calm down, because

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<v Speaker 1>who the hell about? She had a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>that were bugging her nerves and gots, as we say

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<v Speaker 1>in Italian gotss little things, little things that a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of goats is around me, motherfucker, and gods, gotsa means prick.

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<v Speaker 1>So it doesn't even make sense to people who don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand Italian. But when you say, I got some gotss,

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<v Speaker 1>just things that bug you. But yeah, man, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for all those people we know in love who served.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading today about my buddy Bill Maher. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't sleep yesterday. It was a weird day. I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I told Rockog I take a nap. I picked them

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<v Speaker 1>from school, and about four o'clock I said, look, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lay down for like an hour or so. He goes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go to the park and play basketball. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll you're gonna eat dinner and I'll eat my friend okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't got to cook. I laid down. I

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<v Speaker 1>woke up. It was five twenty and it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dark out, and I go, oh shit, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I fell a sleep by a couch, I get my charge,

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<v Speaker 1>I get my phone, go into my bedroom, thinking it's

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<v Speaker 1>five twenty am. I laid down. It's not am, it's PM.

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<v Speaker 1>This is dinner time, asshole. So I fucked up my

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<v Speaker 1>sleep and I kenp't wake it up. Last night one

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock two thirty three, tag four point fifty, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, just stay up, look at the phone, listen

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<v Speaker 1>to people on Instagram. Just let it go. And I

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<v Speaker 1>did and read a lot of stories and social videos

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<v Speaker 1>that really intrigued me and made me laugh and inspired me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing what you can find late at night if

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<v Speaker 1>you go down different rabbit holes. We all have different algorithms.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of us have kind of the same, some of

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<v Speaker 1>us overlap. A lot of folks send me memes and stories,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I saw this, I saw that. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm still very appreciative of people sending me

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<v Speaker 1>things in the hopes that maybe I didn't see it,

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<v Speaker 1>But I see everything. There's never a story about go

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that. I didn't hear about that,

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<v Speaker 1>so I started watching. I started listening to Bill Maher's

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with Cheryl Hines. You know, rfk's wife who's a

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat and has had to go through a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>shit because of her husband, and people on the left

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<v Speaker 1>are shutting her literally, not wanting anything to do with

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<v Speaker 1>her anymore. We heard from the Fucking Dyke comic Tig Natara,

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<v Speaker 1>who broke a friendship with Cheryl because I can't be

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<v Speaker 1>friends with someone like you. It just it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>sick how people just walk away from her friend over politics.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a story today where a radio DJ,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie Miller, who apparently has about five million listeners. Now

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<v Speaker 1>she's not well, she's out here in La now. But

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<v Speaker 1>back in my day, in the early nineties, she was

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<v Speaker 1>a DJ in New York and I knew Stephanie. We

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<v Speaker 1>even went out a few times. It wasn't romantic. We

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<v Speaker 1>just went out because she was fun. She was opigionated,

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<v Speaker 1>And my buddy asked me to say, what was she like?

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<v Speaker 1>Was she had liberal? I said, no, one knew who

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<v Speaker 1>anybody was in nineteen ninety two. We didn't ask, We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't care. You voted for Bill Clinton was the big story,

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<v Speaker 1>So it didn't like politics wasn't even a thing you

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<v Speaker 1>tried to figure out on people. If you got along.

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<v Speaker 1>You got along. If you thought someone was cute, handsome, hot, sexy,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't matter who they voted for. I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the fuck she was. Back then, she

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<v Speaker 1>was a fun chick. We went out, we had laugh

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<v Speaker 1>we had drinks, we had dinner. Stephanie was fun. And

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<v Speaker 1>now she's kissing Jasmine Crockett sneakers at a fucking airport.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, how the world has gone upside down.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't take it, can't take what I'm seeing and

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<v Speaker 1>anyway I watch you. I'm listening to Bill Maher's podcast

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<v Speaker 1>with Cheryl Hines. I love Bill's show. I love everything

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<v Speaker 1>Bill does. I didn't love this episode, though I didn't listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on record years ago when I first saw Cheryl

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<v Speaker 1>Hanes on Curb Your Enthusiasm, I'm like, I think she's sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something I like her. I found her sexy

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<v Speaker 1>on the kerb and maybe something. You think I'm crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did. I still think she's sexy to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>I find her something about is very attractive. I love

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<v Speaker 1>her voice, I love her face or figure. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>People turn you on for different reasons. So they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently Bill had mentioned that it was a story

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<v Speaker 1>out there that back in the nineties when he had

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<v Speaker 1>his show Politically and Correct, which I did about six

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<v Speaker 1>seven times. It was a fun show Comedy Central. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of fun. We did one episode outdoors

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<v Speaker 1>on the pier on the West side of Manhattan with

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of mafia type stories, and Bill introduced me

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<v Speaker 1>outside to all these people. My next guest is a

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<v Speaker 1>real made man aj It was so fun. I came

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<v Speaker 1>out with a baseball bet. He loved it. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell him that the Pev's story was on the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Pussy had a lot of fun, but he said, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there was a story that sometimes back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day before the show came on, he would master

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<v Speaker 1>be in his dressing room and everybody's like, and Cheryl

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<v Speaker 1>Hines was like, is this you know, is this all true? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>He says, well, yeah I did. I didn't do it often,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did it. And he said, look, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the nineties. I mean we taped every single day,

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<v Speaker 1>three four days a week. It was an everyday show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was a wild man back then. I would

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<v Speaker 1>be out at night and hung over on the set

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<v Speaker 1>the next day, and I remember that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>different world. No one looked down upon you if you

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<v Speaker 1>may care attitude back then. It wasn't frowned upon. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>You got to back them up, double behind your back,

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<v Speaker 1>through the legs, crossover, switch them up. It's a different

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<v Speaker 1>who play hard to get. And maybe Bill likes the

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<v Speaker 1>easy ones. I don't know. I don't mean easy and tramp.

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<v Speaker 1>I just mean like less work, less effort. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he jerked off before shows. Who cares? You know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of things you do when you're on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't know who I was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of man I was going to be once

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<v Speaker 1>show or you're doing mysteries and scandals, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning, it was just okay, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>and now I want to set and then being filmed,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of cool. And then you just start

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<v Speaker 1>airplanes and restaurants, in the street in traffic. There goes

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<v Speaker 1>a bus what you're faced on it advertising the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly you start to become this person that you would

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<v Speaker 1>never used to be. And then you take some liberties

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<v Speaker 1>with that theme. You go, you know what, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to fucking read up on this show. I'll wing

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<v Speaker 1>it when I get there. You show me my mark

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<v Speaker 1>like Sinatra, show me my mark. I'll hit my mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me action. You'll get a great show of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And many times that works. And then you get really ballsy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I want to film at three o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>know who's gonna bring a little bag of coke, a

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<v Speaker 1>little footy dollar bag of coke. I'll do a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of bunks before the show, and every time there's a break,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bump it up again. And then suddenly you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>this every night. Now, you know, Am I jerking off

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<v Speaker 1>before shows? No? But I'm doing something else. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of religious thing. I don't mean religion, something

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<v Speaker 1>you do religiously that you think is working and it's not. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine may keep you up, but there's a crash involved later.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the beginning, I didn't even care about the crash.

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<v Speaker 1>I just care about the being up, finishing the show strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Four o'clock in the morning, my whole crew is shot.

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<v Speaker 1>They're dead. I'm wearing a goat. Let's go to the

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<v Speaker 1>after hours. They're like after hours. I'm going to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta be at work at nine o'clock. Different world.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I did those things before. I remember, before

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<v Speaker 1>my talk show, I got to be so cocky. The

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<v Speaker 1>money was flying in. I just saw an old contract

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<v Speaker 1>the other day in the one of the boxes from storage.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ. They would pay me a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>to do something I found so easy to do, which

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<v Speaker 1>was basically be me. And I'm getting paid a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money to be me, And you know, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>before the talk show, I would be in the little dress.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a bathroom, actually my own bathroom, A shot

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<v Speaker 1>a vodka, a bump at each nostrill, let's start the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seemed to work for me. But just as

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<v Speaker 1>football players take steroids and eventually have this this anger

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<v Speaker 1>that comes out of them for no reason, I became

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of person too. Not anger as much as

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<v Speaker 1>just taking chances, being reckless, not caring what society says,

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<v Speaker 1>being your own guy, you know, breaking a girl's heart.

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<v Speaker 1>There is all. There's always an effect that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to suffer from, and people around you suffer from because

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<v Speaker 1>of your indulgences. And clearly, if you're drinking off before

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<v Speaker 1>your TV show, no one's gonna suffer. But it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>bother me. The other day he had Michael Rappaport on

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<v Speaker 1>his show, and I found that a fun show. I

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<v Speaker 1>told you about rapp Report and stalking Lily Taylor back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day when he made the movie Ransom. But

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<v Speaker 1>Rappaport was telling Bill and you got to get out

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<v Speaker 1>Pacinam on your show. Al will love he talks now,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll talk about anything. He's older now. It Bills like

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<v Speaker 1>I tried, he won't come on. Trust me, he won't

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<v Speaker 1>come on. And I'm like, and Michael's like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean, well, why would he come on? And Bill's like,

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<v Speaker 1>he just won't come on. Trust me. I tried, And

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm saying I'm yelling at the phone. The answer

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<v Speaker 1>is obvious. Bill Maher and that chick uh Nora Alfalla

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<v Speaker 1>who's thirty one, who has two kids without Pacino Roman

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, well she has one son, right, I think

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<v Speaker 1>they have one. Oh, she's pregnant again. I forget. There's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a son named Roman who's two years old. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like she's pregnant again. Either way, Pacino has always

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<v Speaker 1>said we're just friends. She's always said we're just friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Bill's out with our Halloween night at some costume

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<v Speaker 1>party and she's telling people, no, we're not dated, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just friends. Al's my best friend, Bill's my friend. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all weird. But wouldn't you think that's the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>Pacino won't go on Bill Maher's show. I think right,

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<v Speaker 1>But Rapaport didn't pick up on it, and Bill didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to divulge you. I think that's the real reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of relationships, I could talk about this next couple

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. But we did an episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Mysteries and Scandals on Desi Arnez and didn't do it

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<v Speaker 1>on Lucy, but it was kind of a show about

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<v Speaker 1>both of them. Really, you can't talk about one without

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<v Speaker 1>the other. Such mavericks those two. But recently, these never

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<v Speaker 1>before seen letters between the two of them have gone

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<v Speaker 1>public and it really gives people a better understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>what their love story was all about. These two were

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<v Speaker 1>married for twenty years back in the forties, for twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a lot of insecurity. It was very emotional,

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<v Speaker 1>very affectionate. And this new book called Lucy and Desi

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<v Speaker 1>the Love Letters is out and there's notes that were

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<v Speaker 1>written between the two of them basically during World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>right after they got married, and it showed a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the notes that you read the letters well. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, I love the letter writing campaign of the

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<v Speaker 1>old days. You know, every time I wrote a girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>a letter or a girlfriend or girl I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be my girlfriend, somebody I was chasing. I always would

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<v Speaker 1>print it up a newsday where I worked. I'd write

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<v Speaker 1>late at night because the workday was over and I

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<v Speaker 1>could fuck around on my computer for ninety minutes before

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<v Speaker 1>I went home, and I'd write these beautiful letters, and

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<v Speaker 1>i'd print them out and i'd save a copy. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why, but I'm so glad, I think because

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<v Speaker 1>I read them. To this day, I still read them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. There's one letter that I wrote to

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<v Speaker 1>a girl who was in town for a while and

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<v Speaker 1>she was leaving, and the first line we were both heartbroken.

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<v Speaker 1>And the first line I wrote was I hate all

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<v Speaker 1>planes today because their planes were taking her away. I

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<v Speaker 1>just remember, I don't want to forget these lines. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm writing all these letters and it reminds me of

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<v Speaker 1>what these two were like back in the day. There's

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<v Speaker 1>something so powerful about the written word, holding a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of paper that your loved one pressed their hands on

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<v Speaker 1>and wrote with the ink, and you could smell their

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<v Speaker 1>perfume or cologne. They licked the envelope, they licked the stamp.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes in your box, you'll hold it. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>much better than a fucking email or a goddamn text

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<v Speaker 1>that no one cares about. So these two went back

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<v Speaker 1>and fort with these letters. But nineteen sixty it all ended.

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<v Speaker 1>They struggled, You know, DESI was banging a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>showgirls and hookers. Desi wasn't into other actresses as much.

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<v Speaker 1>She liked his hookers and showgirls. He liked anonymous sex.

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<v Speaker 1>And Lucy knew about this, and she was very jealous.

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<v Speaker 1>But she did become a very forgiving woman. And a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of what you see on that TV show, what

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<v Speaker 1>we saw on that TV show, and who didn't watch

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<v Speaker 1>that when we stayed home from school? How great were

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<v Speaker 1>those black and white TV shows when you were sick

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<v Speaker 1>and you stayed on from school and you watched all

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<v Speaker 1>the father knows best. I love Lucy, Donna Reid my

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<v Speaker 1>three sons. That you start to realize Fred McMurray is

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<v Speaker 1>not just famous for My Three sons. He was in

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<v Speaker 1>a movie, He was in a He had a Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>career before that. You don't even realize when you're a

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<v Speaker 1>kid that these people had careers. Bewitched Agnes Moorehead. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so many people went to TV at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>their careers that you don't know what they did. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>we get older, we got the Internet, we got Turner

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<v Speaker 1>classic movies, and you can see what kind of great

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<v Speaker 1>careers they had. So Lucy writes one letter. I'll read one.

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<v Speaker 1>He's out there touring with his band and she's begging

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<v Speaker 1>him don't give into temptation. She's like, you never answer

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<v Speaker 1>my letters, DESI do you throw them away and forget

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<v Speaker 1>what I write about. You know, it's funny nowadays. I've

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<v Speaker 1>said the same thing in the past to Andrea. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>you get my text? Why aren't you responding to this text?

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same shit, It's just different technology. The feelings

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<v Speaker 1>are the same. And I would say I could never

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<v Speaker 1>see a text from you, or see a miscall from

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<v Speaker 1>you and not return it. That's just not a part

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<v Speaker 1>of my being. How could anybody see a text and

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<v Speaker 1>don't respond or a call and don't tell me to

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<v Speaker 1>know I called or you didn't see my text. We

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<v Speaker 1>all fucking hold off phones constantly. Give me a break forget.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna get into that. But the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>is Lucy was very insecure about it. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get this wire off to you, and I'll be all

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<v Speaker 1>sad by myself tonight if I haven't had a wire

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<v Speaker 1>and answer. Please don't jeopardize the next few months with

410
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<v Speaker 1>these awful dames I dislike so much. Please don't prefer

411
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<v Speaker 1>them instead of me, Really, Darling, it won't be worth it.

412
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<v Speaker 1>And then here she comes to the motherly sa are

413
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<v Speaker 1>you taking care of yourself? Are you getting any rest?

414
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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could really have a chance to try

415
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<v Speaker 1>to make you happy without counting every hour with you

416
00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:58.000
<v Speaker 1>like two condemned criminals. And she asked to be more open.

417
00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't say goodbye, Desi, I have a few more

418
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<v Speaker 1>minutes to talk. Tell me, Darling, can't you just be

419
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.319
<v Speaker 1>a little more explicit in your letters? Your next one?

420
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<v Speaker 1>Tell me really what you think about me while you're

421
00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.119
<v Speaker 1>bouncing around New York City? Can't you tell me what

422
00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.559
<v Speaker 1>was on in your mind everywhere, even one day as

423
00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I tell you, not just what you do and when

424
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<v Speaker 1>you do it, but just as I ask you, Lucy,

425
00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:25.400
<v Speaker 1>shut the fuck up, christ little clean gotta go now.

426
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh my love to you baby. These letters went back

427
00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:32.759
<v Speaker 1>and forth until DESI finally sent a letter asking her

428
00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 1>to marry him again, but not before Lucy said, I'm

429
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:39.519
<v Speaker 1>going to Catechism, you know, and sitting with a pastor

430
00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.839
<v Speaker 1>to learn about marriage and to make sure our marriage

431
00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:46.000
<v Speaker 1>is perfect. And she went to these classes. I did

432
00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:47.599
<v Speaker 1>them too, when I first The first time I got

433
00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:50.200
<v Speaker 1>married was called pre Kana. You sit down with an

434
00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:53.359
<v Speaker 1>older married couple and they tell these younger couples about

435
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:55.640
<v Speaker 1>to be married what marriage life is like, and they

436
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:58.759
<v Speaker 1>try to guide you. The church kind of motivates you

437
00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:00.759
<v Speaker 1>to do it. I didn't like doing it, but I

438
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.519
<v Speaker 1>did it. It was the thing to do. And that's

439
00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:05.359
<v Speaker 1>what Lucy was doing on her own. DESU was very

440
00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:09.680
<v Speaker 1>proud of her doing that. But you know, she sounds

441
00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:14.880
<v Speaker 1>so insecure and desperate, and I, you know, you wonder

442
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:20.839
<v Speaker 1>why these letters were published. I don't know, but she uh, look,

443
00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:23.680
<v Speaker 1>she was no angel. I mean, he was a rap scallion.

444
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:26.440
<v Speaker 1>But back in the day, I remember from the show

445
00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Polly Adler, a woman named Polly Adler was Polly Adler

446
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:34.279
<v Speaker 1>was a very famous madam and it was pretty much

447
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:38.480
<v Speaker 1>common knowledge back then before they made it. Lucie Bull

448
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and Joan Crawford apparently allegedly worked for Polly Adler. Jeanette

449
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.240
<v Speaker 1>MacDonald too, who if you have ever seen her in a movie,

450
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:50.160
<v Speaker 1>you hated because for the movies are horrible. But they

451
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:52.799
<v Speaker 1>made quick and easy money going out with men. I'm

452
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.119
<v Speaker 1>not sure if they all got laid, but that was

453
00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>something they did you know A On a related topic,

454
00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:01.519
<v Speaker 1>my aunt Adam, my mother's sister, Adam, who I just loved,

455
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:06.480
<v Speaker 1>My fucking favorite aunt, older sister. She looked after my

456
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:10.079
<v Speaker 1>mom for just a wonderful woman. Taught me how to

457
00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:13.680
<v Speaker 1>sing an Italian, translated every word of Jim Rizselli, and

458
00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:17.200
<v Speaker 1>just sent me to Stephano. She was amazing. We had

459
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.799
<v Speaker 1>this letter writing campaign her and I like lovers, I

460
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.039
<v Speaker 1>write to my aunt. I'd send the things in the mail.

461
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:26.759
<v Speaker 1>She'd send me things back when she was young, she

462
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.839
<v Speaker 1>always told me, Hey, I saw this beautiful yellow silk

463
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 1>dress in the window and a shop in Brooklyn. I

464
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.119
<v Speaker 1>wanted that dress so much, but it was three dollars.

465
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Who had three dollars back then for a dress? I'm

466
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:40.839
<v Speaker 1>listening to Jesus Christ. What kind of world was this?

467
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:46.319
<v Speaker 1>So she went and did something. She was a private dancer,

468
00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:50.319
<v Speaker 1>now a stripper. You go to a social club and

469
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:55.039
<v Speaker 1>fellas guys who you know came back for the war,

470
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 1>probably was before the war, or maybe they were on leave,

471
00:25:58.480 --> 00:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>what have you. They want to go to a social

472
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and I want to dance with the girl. They want

473
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.039
<v Speaker 1>to hold a woman to dance with them. Not look

474
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that there was sex involved with I'm not

475
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>saying that I added to that. But she get a

476
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Nickela dance. She was a private dancer, and she eventually

477
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.599
<v Speaker 1>had nobody to buy that dress. And when she bought it,

478
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>my grandmother was like, oh, she called her every name

479
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:22.359
<v Speaker 1>in the book. Bhutana, you got this dress. Bah bah bah,

480
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>tell my mother. Don't tell mom. Don't tell Mama, don't

481
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:28.880
<v Speaker 1>tell mama. I'm doing what a crazy world? It was, right,

482
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.640
<v Speaker 1>But you know, if you got to get some you

483
00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.839
<v Speaker 1>can't condemn people to something like that. I don't mind

484
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>anything that includes affection and longing. I think it's wonderful.

485
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it's wonderful that people can go to someone

486
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>for that kind of attachment or feeling, even if it's fleeting.

487
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I remember when I would be at the Aria and

488
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I would go down and get a drink years ago,

489
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 1>and the hookers are out. You know, you can see

490
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.519
<v Speaker 1>them a mile away. But they'd congregate at certain bars

491
00:26:57.559 --> 00:26:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and wait for a high roll or just anybody to

492
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>to the bar and want to spend, you know, And

493
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I see them talking and I have TOTSI marms that

494
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>always made them want to talk about the girl the door.

495
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh you go cute? What's her name? And you start talking?

496
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:13.759
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I was very happy with Andrew. I

497
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 1>ever went with a hooker, but I didn't mind talking

498
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.079
<v Speaker 1>to them until my drink came. I like to get

499
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>in people's heads. It helps me healthy, understand the human dynamic. Healthy, right.

500
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I just like to get in people's heads. Why are

501
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.400
<v Speaker 1>they doing this? What it means to them? Are they scared?

502
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>There was that one night with this beautiful young girl

503
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>about five to eleven knockout and me and Andrew had

504
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>both spotted her. She was working, and we had this idea,

505
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.799
<v Speaker 1>let's let's stop her from working, Let's get her out

506
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.680
<v Speaker 1>of this game so futile. And we took it to

507
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 1>this other bar across the hotel casino, to this other

508
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>place and some VIP bar, and we sat it down

509
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and I videoed. I talked to her. I have pictures,

510
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>she's gorgeous, and we gave her our numbers. If there's

511
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:01.440
<v Speaker 1>ever a problem, caller, were here or always here, I'll

512
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:03.720
<v Speaker 1>help you. Did all we could to try to make

513
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.920
<v Speaker 1>her feel safe, but nah, she didn't care. She got

514
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.319
<v Speaker 1>beeped twenty five minutes in the call. She had to go.

515
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Somebody wanted attention, a man wanted a companionship. I don't

516
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 1>put anybody down for that. I just don't. It's an

517
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.839
<v Speaker 1>exchange of lust or love, or well not love, but something.

518
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a place for that anyhow. Desi and Lucy.

519
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Lucy was exactly like her character on that show, very crazy, selfish, jealous,

520
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 1>always needing attention. As you can see from these letters.

521
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 1>She'd throw some tantrums, she'd throw things around the room

522
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and things didn't go her way. On the road, she drank,

523
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 1>you know. She was a big two to three pack

524
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>a day smoker. And there was a point where Desi

525
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.839
<v Speaker 1>wanted out really badly, but he wouldn't do it. He

526
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.599
<v Speaker 1>couldn't do it because the public demanded Desi and Lucy

527
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.839
<v Speaker 1>be together. It was impossible to think of those two

528
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>not together. And I always remember this story from the

529
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.839
<v Speaker 1>episode It Brooks breaks my heart, but this is real love.

530
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.319
<v Speaker 1>They finally divorced nineteen sixty. Desi was with some woman

531
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 1>I forget her name, nobody important. Lucy ends up marrying

532
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Gary Morton, nice guy, successful, calm, not a bandleader, not

533
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.839
<v Speaker 1>a run around rap scallion type. They're in their home.

534
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 1>DESI was still going out getting the hammreerd every night,

535
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>picking up hookers here and there. And he would go

536
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to Lucy's house where her and where she and Gary

537
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Morton lived, because it was her house, and Desie would

538
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 1>go to the door, loaded drunk, knock on the door,

539
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>calling to her window, Lucy, Lucy. And this went on constantly.

540
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.920
<v Speaker 1>It got to the point where her husband, Gary Morton,

541
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 1>would go to the door, let Desie in, give him

542
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>a cup of coffeet, have Lucy talk to him, and

543
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>they'd let Desie sleep on the fucking couch till the morning,

544
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and then you go out leave again. But this happened

545
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot. It wasn't a one time thing. Let him

546
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>sleep off his trunk on the couch. You could talk

547
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to them. I'll be in bed, let me know, And

548
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 1>they talk on the couch together as all lovers, old

549
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>husbands and wives. How sad but also how beautiful. I

550
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.079
<v Speaker 1>couldn't be Gary Morton. I would have put a fucking

551
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.759
<v Speaker 1>bull in his head. But I understand that, all right,

552
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 1>you love my wife. I get it. She's lucyill Ball.

553
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 1>She's not some person you see walking down the street.

554
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>She's an icon. I get it. You guys had twenty

555
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>years together, You've built tremendous television. There wouldn't be Star

556
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Trek if des and Lucy didn't have their company and

557
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.559
<v Speaker 1>produced that show. I mean, maybe somebody else would have,

558
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>but Desilu Productions began Star Trek. There's a lot of

559
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>things they did, very powerful couple, a lot of love there,

560
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 1>and I just love that story of the husband letting

561
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Desi sleep on the couch because of his affection and

562
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:59.559
<v Speaker 1>love for Lucy. I'm happy to say that I'm pleased

563
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.440
<v Speaker 1>by the amount of people who are subscribing to my substack.

564
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I've told you it's very easy. Substack dot com, my

565
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 1>page Ajbenza dot substack dot com. There are two chapters

566
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>of my upcoming book on there. The next one will

567
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>come out tomorrow the next day, and I'm happy that

568
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of you have signed up and want to

569
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.079
<v Speaker 1>see the written word and are interested in the written word.

570
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I like this art form as well. I love to

571
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>be able to get on the mic and just talk.

572
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I find this so soothing for me mentally, emotionally. It's

573
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>therapeutic for all of us. Although right now I must

574
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 1>tell you I cannot get on Patreon because I have AIDS. Again,

575
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I've got a complication from AIDS, and now it's spread

576
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 1>to Patreon, like I like, all these platforms are lymph nodes.

577
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Now it's in my Patreon, so I don't know what's

578
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>going on. I plug in my Gmail, my email. It's

579
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>not your email. What do you mean it's not my

580
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>fucking I got one email. I can't stand the kind

581
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of fights I have with robots. Now. I have to

582
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 1>call substat the other day. They don't have a person.

583
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.599
<v Speaker 1>You gotta go to the chat with a fucking robot.

584
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>The robots can't answer questions, they need specific questions. It

585
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:19.480
<v Speaker 1>drives me crazy. Anyhow. I say this because the next

586
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.839
<v Speaker 1>chapter coming out is about that story I told you

587
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>about when I dated that Cuban girl, Vivian, and I

588
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that she was She had been very close

589
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 1>with a very famous killer gangster name Joe Watts. And

590
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>when I found out that she was with him, and

591
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>he took her to Florida and brought her up you know,

592
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars in bracelets. I had to drop her

593
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 1>off and go to the club and talk to Joe

594
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.279
<v Speaker 1>to say I didn't know she was your girl. It

595
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>was a very harrowing experience. I've talked about it on

596
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the show. So I'm writing. I wrote the chapter the

597
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.319
<v Speaker 1>other day. I use her name as Evelyn. I don't

598
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>want to say Vivian. I use Evelyn because I don't

599
00:32:56.200 --> 00:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>want Sometimes people might not like the way you portray them,

600
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 1>even if it's thirty years later. I've learned a lesson

601
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>like that. Linda Stacy and my editler always told me,

602
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>whenever you're writing about somebody, when you're publishing a story tomorrow,

603
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.319
<v Speaker 1>give that person a call, leave a message, but reach

604
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>out to them. Let them know they're in the paper tomorrow.

605
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Because when you don't know you're in the paper and

606
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>times have changed now. But when you don't know you're

607
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 1>in the paper, and you open the paper in the

608
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.160
<v Speaker 1>morning and you as a story about you and no

609
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>one talked to you, and your friends will call you, you're

610
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:34.799
<v Speaker 1>getting messages, it's very alarming. So we always let people know.

611
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 1>So I don't want Vivian to see this and think

612
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm exploiting our situation, so I call her Evelyn. But

613
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.559
<v Speaker 1>I wrote the chapter and it got me right back

614
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>into that era of the nightclub days. Rouge on the

615
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Upper east Side. All the gangsters used to stay there

616
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>do different factions of gangsters, genev C's and Gambinos. Some

617
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:57.599
<v Speaker 1>of these clubs in New York are like neutral ground.

618
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Both both families can go there. Sometimes they both have

619
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.079
<v Speaker 1>a piece of the club. You know, it's a it's intricate,

620
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 1>but this is business, is how they work these guys.

621
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>So when I was doing the story, it reminded me

622
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>of a phenomenal story that I don't think I've told

623
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>you guys. But the guy that was the well, a

624
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:26.199
<v Speaker 1>guy named Stratus Mark Fogan was the basically the owner

625
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>of Ruge. But the other guy, the mobsters are the

626
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.880
<v Speaker 1>ones whose names you knew about. You didn't really know

627
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Stratus too much because he wasn't as visible as the mobsters, right,

628
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.519
<v Speaker 1>But Stratus was very close to the guy I always

629
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.519
<v Speaker 1>talk about, Ralphie Coppola, who was the underboss of the

630
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>jen Avc crime family. He's the guy who took me

631
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and Chico under his wing. You're with me now, no

632
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 1>one can bother you loved. My family was great to

633
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.239
<v Speaker 1>me and my ex girl from Rebecca dealt with her

634
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend who was stalked and appeared on a fire escape.

635
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.039
<v Speaker 1>They fucked his knees up so I could be he

636
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.960
<v Speaker 1>was Rebecca a million stories. And of course the guy

637
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 1>that he was with who the two of them beat

638
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>up Chico, Bucky Carbone, Bobby Carbone, he called Bucky him

639
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and Ralphie destroyed Chico in the street. I'll tell you

640
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>that story. But this is the kind of people I

641
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.880
<v Speaker 1>used to be around as a journalist. And I remember

642
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 1>this story because they used to call Stratus the Golden

643
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Greek because he had a lot of mob contacts, contacts,

644
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 1>and he stood up two monsters because he had to.

645
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Because when you've got a successful business in New York

646
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 1>City and other cities, you're gonna get knock, gonna go

647
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.280
<v Speaker 1>from all nized crime. They're gonna want you to contribute

648
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.039
<v Speaker 1>money to that cause they're gonna want to take money

649
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 1>from you. They're gonna want to supply you with a

650
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:48.280
<v Speaker 1>better chicken delivery guy. Use my guy. Now you're a guy.

651
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a whole fucking thing. And if you have

652
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a restaurant or a club or what have you in

653
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 1>New York and you don't have a mobster on your side,

654
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.559
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something that you're dead because all

655
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 1>the criminals are gonna come to you and and suck

656
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.000
<v Speaker 1>all the money out of your business, just like you

657
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.760
<v Speaker 1>see the movies like Good Fellas, you see it. They

658
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 1>the gangsters I was with, suck Paul Sorvino's money. They

659
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.079
<v Speaker 1>destroyed his restaurant. Delivery is going in the front, coming

660
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>out the back on someone else's truck. They destroyed him.

661
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.199
<v Speaker 1>Paul Savina would just sing people. He would sing songs

662
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.679
<v Speaker 1>during dinner because he had a good deep voice, you know,

663
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 1>an opera operatic voice. He was a schmuck. I hated Paul,

664
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I love his movies, but I hated

665
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.719
<v Speaker 1>his personality. But they were robbing and shitt of the guy.

666
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 1>You have to have someone who who's with you, Like

667
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Rocco when he owned Boom, his partner Chesadey. Chesadey and

668
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Roco had a big mobster who no one could fuck

669
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>with Boom until that mobster died. Then it was open

670
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>season on Boom. It's a very intricate kind of way

671
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 1>to run a company. But it happens in New York

672
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure other cities as well. But now Stratus

673
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is very successful, owns Brooklyn chop House down in Lower Manhattan.

674
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:03.239
<v Speaker 1>He wrote a book called Be a Disruptor, street Wise

675
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Lessons for interpret Entrepreneurs, which I'd love to have him

676
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:08.519
<v Speaker 1>on the show one day. He said he'd do it.

677
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 1>He also opened Gotham City Diner. Back in the nineties.

678
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.079
<v Speaker 1>He was busy Stratus was making but he's very successful,

679
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 1>big house, whole fucking thing. He made it. But there

680
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 1>was a guy around town back then called Noel, Noel Ashburn,

681
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>he's still around. He was a big party promoter, slash producer.

682
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 1>I know Noel very well, nice guy. Everybody knows Noel

683
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 1>New York, big party promoter and club owner. One day,

684
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Noel Ashman comes into the club with a black eye,

685
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:40.000
<v Speaker 1>and Stratus says, what's going on? And Noel says, some

686
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 1>gangster said we got to pay him every month, that

687
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 1>they're going to start beating us up, beat me up

688
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 1>all the time. And Noel mentioned some names and Stratus

689
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:56.039
<v Speaker 1>recognized a few that they were Gambinos. Stratus and me Chico.

690
00:37:56.079 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>We were around Geneviezi guys back then. So Stratus grew

691
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>up Alona like I did. His family on the restaurant

692
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.760
<v Speaker 1>in a tough section of Queen's called Howard Beach where

693
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>all the mobsters come from. Gott he came from there.

694
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.800
<v Speaker 1>But big time gangster is when he his family's restaurant.

695
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, he was around the mob like I was

696
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 1>as a kid. And he got a lot of visits

697
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>from Ralphi Cappola and Bucky Carbone. I mean, Ralphie loved

698
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.679
<v Speaker 1>Stratus so much he called him his nephew. And it

699
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>was great to sit at the table and have those

700
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.159
<v Speaker 1>guys tell you stories late at night over some grappa.

701
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>It was a wonderful time. And Bucky one night told

702
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Stratus about the story of the first man he ever killed,

703
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and it was at a bar over a debt collection

704
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that went sideways. But the geneez he's dealt things, dealt

705
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.280
<v Speaker 1>with things differently to the game being the game beingers

706
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>came across a little tough ference and louder because of

707
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 1>John Gotti and his son, John Gotti Junior. They both

708
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>both families acted differently. But there's a great story where

709
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Stratus is basically a new guy in the block. And

710
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, John Gotti Junior back then were shaking down

711
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.519
<v Speaker 1>every restaurant from the Upper East Side down to Midtown.

712
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Him and his boys were just walk in and demand money,

713
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>demand payouts, protect your money, whatever the fuck it was.

714
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 1>And one time one of those guys came to Stratus

715
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.039
<v Speaker 1>and says, you know you got to pay up. And

716
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>he says, what do you what do you want want?

717
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Five thousand a month and we're gonna break your windows

718
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 1>every fucking week. That's the way they get. And Stratus,

719
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.599
<v Speaker 1>tough kid, says, let me give you a quick answer.

720
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Go fuck yourself. I'm not afraid of you. That's ballsy

721
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.039
<v Speaker 1>to say they're coming back the next day when you

722
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>talk like that. But Stratus knew he had Ralphie in

723
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>his corner, and uh, of course when he told Ralphie

724
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 1>what happened, Ralphie would sit down with some game, meet

725
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.039
<v Speaker 1>those guys and tell Usten this guy's Stratus is with me.

726
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:58.280
<v Speaker 1>You can't send your guys to take money from him.

727
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>That's my kids, that's my nephew. And then the beef

728
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:06.440
<v Speaker 1>goes away. But there was this one story they'll dealing with,

729
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.639
<v Speaker 1>this Gambino story. A couple of nights later that Stratus

730
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.800
<v Speaker 1>gets a call from one of Ralphie's guys saying, come

731
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.280
<v Speaker 1>to the restaurant. There's a place called Ferrier Ferrier with Hero.

732
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 1>All the gangsters used to have wine and drinks and

733
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:22.440
<v Speaker 1>a little dinner, but beautiful hostesses. My ex girlfriend, Sunday

734
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:26.039
<v Speaker 1>worked there. She was a Paul fucking knockout, and every

735
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>mobstroll love Sunday. Our real name was Domenica Galliano. Forget about.

736
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:31.800
<v Speaker 1>They loved her. Her father was a gangst They got

737
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>stuffed at Oral Drum in Chicago, got killed the way

738
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.159
<v Speaker 1>back in the sixties. So she's from that world too.

739
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.599
<v Speaker 1>All of us had a hand in that world. So

740
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Stratus gets there and will he gets there, he sees

741
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Ralphie's with Bucky and all these Gambino captains are in

742
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 1>the back sitting down. So he sits down with Ralphie

743
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.039
<v Speaker 1>and Bobby and the five heads of the Gambino family there,

744
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 1>and Ralphie tells him, listen, this kid's with me. He's

745
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>with us. So tell John Junior to back off. If

746
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't back off, this is gonna escalate. And uh,

747
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.039
<v Speaker 1>we like this kid. He's a good kid. The gouty

748
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 1>guys don't worry about I Look, we'll squash it now,

749
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.679
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be it's over. Don't worry about it. So

750
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.239
<v Speaker 1>right away you see the power of another mobster. If

751
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.119
<v Speaker 1>your guy's bigger than the other guy, you win to

752
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 1>sit down. You got to bring a big name to

753
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:20.039
<v Speaker 1>a sit down. So Ralphie's name was big. There was

754
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>only one guy ahead of him, Barnie Blomo. But it

755
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:27.599
<v Speaker 1>was what Bucky was a wid Bucky be called a cowboy.

756
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Bucky would do things, spur in a moment, in the

757
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:31.599
<v Speaker 1>middle of a sentence, He'd punch in the fucking mouth.

758
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.400
<v Speaker 1>He was an animal fueled by cocaine. Every single night.

759
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I remembered to White buff a dose sometimes Thanks Kid,

760
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Thanks Pal. It was. It was a mess. Bucky put

761
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 1>an ice pick in somebody's thigh who he thought stole

762
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>thirty thousand dollars from Stratus's dina. Nothing happens, the cops

763
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>don't get called. Just that's what goes on. So Stratus

764
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.760
<v Speaker 1>opens rouge. Ralphi Cappolo is a silent backer. Things were

765
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:04.559
<v Speaker 1>going great. We're all making money. Meet Chico, Jimmy Christmas,

766
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Johnny Hansom, throwing parties, making two to three grand every

767
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Wednesday night in cash, all of us a piece, not

768
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:12.840
<v Speaker 1>spread out, each of us making two to three grand

769
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.280
<v Speaker 1>from door money. I would split up with the mob

770
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 1>We kept the door, they kept the bar, and we

771
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:25.079
<v Speaker 1>had a ball one night. Some West Coast guy. And

772
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.559
<v Speaker 1>when you're in New York, you don't really think about

773
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.039
<v Speaker 1>mobsters from California, Like that's not on the radar. Some

774
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>tough guy or wanna be tough guy from California figures

775
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go to New York and get a piece

776
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of his kid's Stratus and get a piece of the

777
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>restaurant and everything else he's working with. Jewish guy from

778
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>La sits down inside the club and he makes Stratus

779
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:47.920
<v Speaker 1>an offer. He takes out a pen, he writes on

780
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 1>a napcal I'll give you ten thousand dollars. And then

781
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 1>the guy pulls out a nine millimeters gun, pops out

782
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 1>a bullet, puts it on the table and tells Stratus

783
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>it's this or that. What do you want to do?

784
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.360
<v Speaker 1>No one. He's got Ralphie behind him, didn't give a shit.

785
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.639
<v Speaker 1>He says, you know, he's telling us that I know

786
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:11.119
<v Speaker 1>the most powerful people in the city. You don't. So

787
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:13.639
<v Speaker 1>this guy is sunk, but he's you know, he's not

788
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.039
<v Speaker 1>gonna say this out loud. One thing you can't do

789
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 1>is say who you're with you gotta keep your mouth shut.

790
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 1>Then tell the guy you're with this is what happened,

791
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.559
<v Speaker 1>and then they take care of it behind the scenes.

792
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 1>But of course it gets back to Ralphie and Bucky.

793
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>So a few days later, one o'clock in the morning,

794
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.199
<v Speaker 1>Stratus goes to rouge and this Bucky is Bobby. I

795
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 1>mean this Bucky is Ralphie and the gangster, the Jewish

796
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>gangster from La They're all sitting down at the table

797
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 1>at one o'clock in the morning in the VIP room

798
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 1>having a great time drinking champagne, and Stratus is looking

799
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 1>at him. This doesn't make any fucking sense. This guy

800
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 1>just tried to tell them he's gonna kill me. Now

801
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 1>it's four thirty in the morning and they're still drinking this.

802
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.599
<v Speaker 1>This is what Chico. They did this to Chico. They

803
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 1>told me to leave, go do your thing. We're gonna

804
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>have some drinks, have some fun. We'll talk to you.

805
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.920
<v Speaker 1>But they get you very complacent and very like soft

806
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 1>because you're with these guys. Nothing's gonna happen, right, Strata says,

807
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:15.119
<v Speaker 1>you guys having a good time. Ralphie's like, yeah, of course,

808
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.679
<v Speaker 1>we're having a great time, and he tells him kind

809
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of motions like take a walk, like we're gonna do

810
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:24.519
<v Speaker 1>something here. So Stratus walks away. As he's walking away,

811
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:26.760
<v Speaker 1>he hears Ralphie saying to the Jewish guy and say,

812
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.599
<v Speaker 1>let's get down to business. I heard you offer. I

813
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>heard your offer, and here's my counteroffer. And Ralphie takes

814
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:39.400
<v Speaker 1>a candelabra have to weigh fifty pounds, knocks the guy

815
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:43.280
<v Speaker 1>over the head with it. Bucky comes running to get

816
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<v Speaker 1>Stratus out of the club, puts him in a taxi

817
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<v Speaker 1>and says, get the fuck home, will handle this. The

818
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 1>day later, Stratus comes back to the club. There was

819
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<v Speaker 1>no blood on the floor, no blood on the walls,

820
00:44:55.719 --> 00:45:00.679
<v Speaker 1>but the area carpet was gone. That's the kind of

821
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.840
<v Speaker 1>shit that went on there because he knew Ralphie would

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<v Speaker 1>always have his back. And it's said, because when these

823
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.320
<v Speaker 1>guys get whacked, you don't know what's going to happen.

824
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<v Speaker 1>You don't see it coming. You find out the next day.

825
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<v Speaker 1>I remember we all found that when Ralphie. Ralphie was

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<v Speaker 1>the capital of a football team, Flag Football in Central Park.

827
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<v Speaker 1>I mean we were with them all Fortninth's week. I

828
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<v Speaker 1>was at Ralphie arayos at rouge playing football. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a that was a great fucking time man. So one

830
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<v Speaker 1>day you just at the club and Bucky approached it

831
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<v Speaker 1>and Ralfie's gone, Like, Bucky's not even said, Ralphie's gone.

832
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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean Ralphie's gone. Don't ask any more questions.

833
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Ralphie went to a meeting up in Harlem, never came

834
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<v Speaker 1>out of the house. The story is that he was

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<v Speaker 1>not kicking enough money upstairs to Barney, who was in

836
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<v Speaker 1>prison at this point, but still you got to kick upstairs.

837
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<v Speaker 1>He was getting a little too greedy, that's the word.

838
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<v Speaker 1>And the guy who took out Ralphie was a gun name.

839
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<v Speaker 1>We called him Hippie Mike, I forget his last name.

840
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<v Speaker 1>Tough Italian kid from the Bronx Yonkers. Tough fucking kid.

841
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<v Speaker 1>He's the kid who could stand by a bar at ruge,

842
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.199
<v Speaker 1>which is what like chest high? I don't know, like

843
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.599
<v Speaker 1>right belis your chest. He would just jump with two

844
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<v Speaker 1>feet and land on top of the wall, then do

845
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.519
<v Speaker 1>a bath football fit. He was like an athlete, but crazy,

846
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>angry at any second. One time I said to his girlfriend, Hi, baby,

847
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<v Speaker 1>how you doing? Would you call my girl? No? Hippie,

848
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<v Speaker 1>no nothing, I just say it again, Hippie. Please, these

849
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<v Speaker 1>guys snap, so don't ask any questions. He's gone. But

850
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<v Speaker 1>when Ralphie was caught taking too much money, Bonnie in prison.

851
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Let the right guys know, Ralphie's gotta go, just like that,

852
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 1>cut and dry best friends. Who's at my wedding, who's

853
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 1>my son's godfather? It doesn't matter who's he said to

854
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:03.079
<v Speaker 1>kill Ralphie. Hippie, who was like Ralphie's little right hand guy. Whatever,

855
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Ralphie needed, Hippi with dude for him. Hippie puts the

856
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<v Speaker 1>ball on Ralphie's head, two in the back of the head.

857
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<v Speaker 1>They find him in an oil drum a year later. Unbelievable.

858
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<v Speaker 1>And once Ralphie was gone, the word got out that

859
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<v Speaker 1>Stratus's protection, the protection Stratus had around his clubs in

860
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.280
<v Speaker 1>New York City, that's over now. If it's Ralphie's dead

861
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:25.719
<v Speaker 1>and Bucky wasn't big enough to pull in to be

862
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<v Speaker 1>a protector, Now what do you do? People started coming

863
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to Stratus's joints again. We want this amount of money.

864
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.599
<v Speaker 1>You use this, you have to use this, this garbage company,

865
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 1>you got to use this distributor. All this nonsense, and

866
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Stratus told these guys, tell you, boss, go fuck yourselves.

867
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<v Speaker 1>I've been here before. I'm not going anywhere. Fuck you.

868
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<v Speaker 1>This is the whey he talked to the gangsters, and

869
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:56.039
<v Speaker 1>they never came back. And here we are, all these

870
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 1>years later, and Stratus has gone on to do great

871
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 1>things in the restaurant world nightclub world. But what a

872
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 1>fucking time that was. But it made me think when

873
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm writing this story, that I could go off on

874
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>so many tangents. While I'm writing a simple story about

875
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 1>having to go to the club to make sure Joe

876
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Wats wasn't gonna kill me because I was fucking his girl,

877
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what to do. Because now you see

878
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:22.360
<v Speaker 1>how quickly these guys get angry, how fast things escalate.

879
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 1>This is what's in my mind. This is what's so scary.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I drove to the club. And you'll read

881
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<v Speaker 1>the story when it's on substack in a day or so.

882
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<v Speaker 1>So enjoy that story. Keep on reading, keep on subscribing.

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<v Speaker 1>Ajbenzon dot substack dot com. Like I always say, don't

884
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<v Speaker 1>just read subscribe. There's a lot of good stuff coming.

885
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<v Speaker 1>Got at least twenty more chapters to go man. And

886
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<v Speaker 1>by doing this, I have to tell you I've been

887
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>putting off this book for so long. I've had so

888
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 1>many chapters half written, one third written, you name it.

889
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:57.159
<v Speaker 1>And I needed a kick in the ass to make

890
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<v Speaker 1>me sit down every day and fucking do it. And finally,

891
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.400
<v Speaker 1>with me sending some chapters out of you guys subscribing,

892
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.079
<v Speaker 1>it's motivating me to do nothing but finish this book.

893
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:10.760
<v Speaker 1>And when I finish this book, We're all going to

894
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:14.320
<v Speaker 1>be better for it. Don't ask me why, but we will.

895
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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I'm looking for. I want this book out.

896
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<v Speaker 1>I want all you people in my army to still

897
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 1>support the show and do what we've been doing for

898
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:26.960
<v Speaker 1>eight years. In the blink of an eye, it's going

899
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<v Speaker 1>to be a decade. Gang, In the blink of an eye,

900
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:33.599
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a decade, and whoever imagine we'll

901
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 1>all be here together doing something like this. It's crazy,

902
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.840
<v Speaker 1>crazy world, But that's why we look forward to waking

903
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 1>up every day right because we just don't know what's

904
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>in store. So thank you all for subscribing, Thank you

905
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<v Speaker 1>all for listening. I love you guys. I can't go

906
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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon right now. I have aids. Like I said, so,

907
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.239
<v Speaker 1>I'll try to fix up the AIDS. I'll contact a

908
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.599
<v Speaker 1>good doctor. But in the meantime, if you have something

909
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.599
<v Speaker 1>something to say to me, positive, negative, just go to

910
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<v Speaker 1>my email Polk Benz at gmail dot com and let

911
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<v Speaker 1>me have it. Lift me up, knock me down, whatever

912
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<v Speaker 1>you want to do, I'm a here for it. I

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<v Speaker 1>love you guys, and I'll talk to you tomorrow.
