Speaker 1: West Tigers Podcast, episode number four hundred and eleven, Midwek edition,
Speaker 1: joined by Nick and Gary on a Wednesday night before
Speaker 1: the West Tigers Friday game at Brookville Obile at six pm. Gary,
Speaker 1: we were going to be joined by our new war
Speaker 1: correspondent Steve Stretton, but unfortunately the line has dropped off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he flew out of the country before
Speaker 2: it got blown up or something, so I think he's
Speaker 2: back in Australia.
Speaker 1: There just a bit of background on that. I think
Speaker 1: Steve was in Qatar.
Speaker 2: Goodbye you buy Bye?
Speaker 1: Close enough Gary, Yeah, as was my Tigers supporting mate
Speaker 1: who's a race caller who was over there, and obviously
Speaker 1: some dramas over there. So Steve is safe. Hears home,
Speaker 1: but he is in no shape to do the podcast tonight.
Speaker 1: But Nick, another Friday six o'clock game. Are you looking
Speaker 1: forward to it or you're dreading it?
Speaker 2: Like me?
Speaker 3: A bit of both, Eddie.
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to getting it out of the way,
Speaker 4: but I'm also I'm very hopeful. I know Gary sort
Speaker 4: of said it the other night that we can beat
Speaker 4: Manly and it's kind of talking me around. I do
Speaker 4: think we can beat Manly. I think if there's a
Speaker 4: team that we can topple.
Speaker 3: Manly is the one. So yeah, looking forward to two points.
Speaker 1: Not Friday the thirteenth, Gary, But it's got a bit
Speaker 1: of a doomsday field to it this game for both clubs.
Speaker 1: Whoever loses this game is going to be copying at
Speaker 1: Big Type.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I my prediction is that Mainly loses this week
Speaker 2: and Seabold gets sacked probably next week, but within two
Speaker 2: weeks I think he won't will no longer be at
Speaker 2: the Manly Club. So I think it is doomsday. I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm quietly positive that it won't be able to doomsday.
Speaker 1: Yeah. A little bit of feedback from our last podcast,
Speaker 1: just before we get into our regular midweek stuff. We've
Speaker 1: got a bit of bysell Hold. We'll preview the game
Speaker 1: on Friday. We got Yondies quiz. We're going to chat
Speaker 1: talent the Silver. But just some feedback. First, Rusty sixty three,
Speaker 1: he said, painful progress is the word. Boys. You should
Speaker 1: have just done a five second podcast. He said, it
Speaker 1: didn't have to go any further than that, So sounds
Speaker 1: good to me. Rusty Strong, Gary or the strange she
Speaker 1: looked it.
Speaker 2: Up Strong, I think it is. She didn't tell me once.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it is.
Speaker 1: He made an interesting post a number of observations. Doesn't
Speaker 1: agree with us with everything he said. He said in
Speaker 1: regards to Killer Instinct, basically all the things the Raiders
Speaker 1: did should have been penalties. So Nick, you would agree with.
Speaker 3: That one spot on that's strong love your work.
Speaker 1: He said, LA two to thirteen would have been due
Speaker 1: to the hammy. Given six, you're far more likely to
Speaker 1: be doing short sprints thirteen. Most game is up and back, Gary,
Speaker 1: I think we'd both probably agree with that initially, although
Speaker 1: he is in the seven jump of this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and isn't that great. I hope you talk about
Speaker 2: that a little bit later in the pott and go
Speaker 2: and do a bit more detail. But yeah, I do
Speaker 2: agree with what he had to say. Yeah, well he
Speaker 2: was on a minutes restriction and he's right about that
Speaker 2: explosive running at seven. That's more of a risk on
Speaker 2: your hamstring than probably the workload at thirteen.
Speaker 1: Vicky b. Nick. He said, Saya's a nice guy, but
Speaker 1: not up to it. My same question again, how do
Speaker 1: we know he's a nice guy.
Speaker 4: I did start to talk the other night that I
Speaker 4: had met Alex Fath at my local shops because he's
Speaker 4: a resident in the neighboring suburb and he's a nice fellow.
Speaker 4: Take that back then, Yeah, and he's been dropped to
Speaker 4: the bench, so anyway, look forward to seeing what he
Speaker 4: can bring impact wise.
Speaker 1: Vicky be also said that he supports Jack Bird on
Speaker 1: the right edge. Gary, I think he's got his wish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty good tip considering that's what we
Speaker 2: saw when the side was announced just the afternoon.
Speaker 1: All right, boys did do the agenda talent. The Silver's
Speaker 1: been at the headlines the past few days, been free,
Speaker 1: apparently to negotiate with rival clubs. According to some of
Speaker 1: the news limited guys, he's already met with Todd Payton,
Speaker 1: Newcastle Seabold and I think it was James Hooper might
Speaker 1: have said that he reckons he'll be gone before June thirtieth. So, Nick,
Speaker 1: this has all happened very quickly over the past couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. What do you make of it?
Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned he'd met with Todd Payton. Is that
Speaker 4: in regards to extending at West Tigers, because we'd kind
Speaker 4: of back Peyton into a contract.
Speaker 3: The other night. Yeah, I don't know. Look, he's the
Speaker 3: type of kid.
Speaker 4: What is twenty think he turned twenty in April, well
Speaker 4: not long ago anyway, but he's the type of kid
Speaker 4: you'd want to hold on to.
Speaker 3: I didn't see L three sixty tonight, but I had
Speaker 3: a quick look at X before he jumped on.
Speaker 4: Apparently there was some discussion on talent and Tiger's losing players,
Speaker 4: and I think someone made a comment that you know,
Speaker 4: this has happened before with Tesco and Moses, etcetera. But look,
Speaker 4: plenty of potential, but twenty years old. I know that
Speaker 4: there was an example. I think it might have been Kelly. Actually,
Speaker 4: I next posted something tonight saying that you know, Harry
Speaker 4: Grant was happy to sit behind Karen Smith until he
Speaker 4: was twenty two and didn't complain about it, which is
Speaker 4: very true, although Melbourne is at the top of the
Speaker 4: ladder and we're generally not, so.
Speaker 3: It's disappointing.
Speaker 4: If he really wants to leave, you know, the rumors
Speaker 4: are that he wants to stay at the club, but
Speaker 4: you know, if you can get an opportunity else where,
Speaker 4: he will, so I don't know. I'm just at a
Speaker 4: point where you know, if he wants to go, if
Speaker 4: he's going to winger about it, Like you know, Galvin
Speaker 4: did then let him walk at the door.
Speaker 2: Leading up the round one this year, there was a
Speaker 2: little bit of talk around that the club wasn't completely
Speaker 2: sold on him, but there were only fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: towards extending the contract that he currently had. So I
Speaker 2: think part of this is the club's made a decision
Speaker 2: that that's not the direction they want to go, and
Speaker 2: they're actually happy, well maybe not happy, but willing to
Speaker 2: let him go because he's not really in the future
Speaker 2: plans that they have. So I don't mind it if
Speaker 2: that's the decision they've made as long as we're at
Speaker 2: a spot where we've got a happy signed up. If
Speaker 2: we let him go and then APPY doesn't extend, then
Speaker 2: that leads us in a very vulnerable spot heading into
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. So I'm hoping the fact that there
Speaker 2: is a little bit of talk around him moving on
Speaker 2: that means that Appy's probably extended.
Speaker 1: Well, that's gary I was going to say that, that's
Speaker 1: clearly I reckon they're going to announce the happy side
Speaker 1: to the end of twenty twenty eight. Whether that's the
Speaker 1: right move or not, I have my doubts as much
Speaker 1: respect as I have for Appy, but again stealing in
Speaker 1: rumors at the moment an innuendo. There was some noise
Speaker 1: that potentially Shane Richardson what the back talent de silver
Speaker 1: but also said to the coach, it's your decision, Benji Marshall,
Speaker 1: and he's obviously gone with Happy, who's a senior guy
Speaker 1: he can trust. But is that a little bit short
Speaker 1: sighted or does it point to the fact that he
Speaker 1: has to win games in the next two years if
Speaker 1: he's still going to be the head coach, Well.
Speaker 2: He definitely needs to win games over the next two years,
Speaker 2: like we can't have another season next year like we're
Speaker 2: having this year. There needs to be upward progression constantly
Speaker 2: so I can The major issue that I've had from
Speaker 2: the outside looking in with Talent is the fact that
Speaker 2: the ultimatum that if Happy extends, I'm lee, I'm going
Speaker 2: to the open market, that getting into the media. I
Speaker 2: don't mind him having that feeling and wanting to look
Speaker 2: elsewhere if Happy extends, but to publicly have that come
Speaker 2: out that he's saying that and coming out through his manager,
Speaker 2: I think is a is a poor look on him,
Speaker 2: and I don't think he's done enough in his career
Speaker 2: at this point in time to be making those sort
Speaker 2: of demands to a club. That about a player who
Speaker 2: has played state of origin football, has won multiple premierships
Speaker 2: at multiple clubs. I think it's a bit soon in
Speaker 2: his career to be pushing that that hard. Fair enough
Speaker 2: decide to go elsewhere, but to put an ultimatum on
Speaker 2: the club, I think is a bit rich.
Speaker 1: I'm tempted to go on a bit of a rant here, Nick,
Speaker 1: but I've got a bad head Colt, So apologies for
Speaker 1: my voice viewers because I'm sniffling and snuffling my way through.
Speaker 1: But like, how often can we blame players for having
Speaker 1: a poor attitude, like, you know, as much as I
Speaker 1: hate to admit it, And whether this is fair at
Speaker 1: the club or not, the reason Harry Grant is happy
Speaker 1: to stay at Melbourne until he's twenty two, or Sivala
Speaker 1: at the Roosters is happy to sit under Dalhi Tree
Speaker 1: Everence is because they create a good environment. So how
Speaker 1: long can we keep blaming young players for wanting out
Speaker 1: and then they're going to have a great career at
Speaker 1: another club.
Speaker 4: Yeah, You've got a very good point there, and you've
Speaker 4: only got to look at how happy Locke left when
Speaker 4: he left the club too, and not just how happy
Speaker 4: Locke left, but how supportive.
Speaker 3: And I know they're all mates.
Speaker 4: And when Galvin left, you know, in the first week
Speaker 4: he said, look, it was it was really hard decision
Speaker 4: to live the West Tigers because a lot of my
Speaker 4: best mates are there and are obviously very supportive of him.
Speaker 4: But Tallon was one that was extremely publicly, outwardly.
Speaker 3: Supportive of Locke's move.
Speaker 4: And I've got no doubt that you know, that had
Speaker 4: you know, quite a bit of impacts on him. I
Speaker 4: know he probably hasn't made a decision yet, but you
Speaker 4: know it's likely going to probably influence what he is
Speaker 4: going to do.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree, Eddie. You know, we've been selling
Speaker 3: us for a while. We are on the up.
Speaker 4: We all hope, hope to believe that we're on the up.
Speaker 4: We're starting to play a brand footy that looks like
Speaker 4: we're on the up, with some question marks and asterixes
Speaker 4: around that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, look, if Talan came.
Speaker 4: Out tomorrow and said I've signed with Newcastle or Manly
Speaker 4: or whoever it might be, then you know that's that
Speaker 4: I just I wouldn't be grudging for doing it, I'd
Speaker 4: be disappointed, but I wouldn't be grudging for doing it.
Speaker 2: The culture is stunk at the West Tigers for close
Speaker 2: on a decade now. Now. I don't think anyone can
Speaker 2: deny that there is a genuine attempt to improve that
Speaker 2: culture and improve those sort of feelings towards the club
Speaker 2: amongst players. But you need buying from the players to
Speaker 2: do that. And if you're not getting buying from the players,
Speaker 2: and you have guys who who still want to leave
Speaker 2: because they've been here for a while and it hasn't
Speaker 2: changed quicker enough for them, there's not a lot you
Speaker 2: can do about that except continuing going down that path
Speaker 2: of that improvement of culture. And I think everyone can
Speaker 2: see there's a genuine effort from the club to make
Speaker 2: those improvements. You can see it in the players that
Speaker 2: we've signed, you can see it in the leaders we're
Speaker 2: brought into the club. And that's going to take time
Speaker 2: to improve. But you need buying from the players, and
Speaker 2: it's quite obvious we've had a few of our younger
Speaker 2: guys who haven't brought into that process or haven't believed
Speaker 2: that process.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know it could be that it's taken
Speaker 2: too long to occur for them. It could be that
Speaker 2: they've been here for five years already and the change
Speaker 2: is only just starting to come through now, Or it
Speaker 2: could be they're resistant to that change as well. But
Speaker 2: they don't like that change that's happening. They don't like
Speaker 2: the new leaders that are coming in, they don't like
Speaker 2: the standards that are being placed at the club. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the reason is for them to say
Speaker 2: no that. I hope the people inside the club know
Speaker 2: what that reason is. But you need buying from those players,
Speaker 2: and for the most part, you look across our squad,
Speaker 2: it looks like we have buying from the majority of
Speaker 2: the players. You listen to the majority of our players
Speaker 2: speak about the club, it sounds like there's buying in
Speaker 2: that change of culture and the direction Benji Marshall's taking
Speaker 2: the club. But there are a few players who haven't
Speaker 2: bought into that. There are a few players who don't
Speaker 2: believe in the direction of Benji Marshall. One of those
Speaker 2: players that only came out and said he doesn't believe
Speaker 2: he can develop under Benji Marshall. But if that's the
Speaker 2: direction we're going as the club, we need players that
Speaker 2: buy into that, and if Talento Silva's not buying into that,
Speaker 2: then I can understand why we're going in a different direction.
Speaker 4: Would you say Appy's brought into Benji's philosophy, because I
Speaker 4: think he has.
Speaker 2: He is driving Benji's philosophy. He's been trying to drive
Speaker 2: that philosophy for the last three years now, two of
Speaker 2: those years completely by himself, and I think there's been
Speaker 2: a bit of support brought into the club to assist
Speaker 2: him with that moving forward. But hopefully this is the
Speaker 2: last we see of this, and hopefully the juniors we've
Speaker 2: got coming through, we've had and we are losing a
Speaker 2: really good June. I think he's very good player. Telling
Speaker 2: to Silver, we've lost Lucky Gavin. I think he's a
Speaker 2: great player. But there's other juniors who have extended. Heith
Speaker 2: Mason's extended, Macasine is extended, paul A extended last year.
Speaker 2: So it's not all the players we have that are
Speaker 2: walking out. There's players that are buying into the changes
Speaker 2: that are having in the club, and hopefully over time
Speaker 2: the percentage that are not buying in reduces.
Speaker 1: Yes, But in fairness, Gary like it's like a draft
Speaker 1: if you you know, you might kill a draft, but
Speaker 1: if your top two players walk out, it's a disaster.
Speaker 1: And if they're your top two juniors Galvin and d Silver.
Speaker 1: Like I'm playing Devil's advocate here, But Shane Richardson he
Speaker 1: popped his chest eighteen months ago and said, you know,
Speaker 1: we were going to retain all our local juniors or
Speaker 1: try our best, and the top three would have been
Speaker 1: Galvin da Silver. Not that Stefano was a local junior,
Speaker 1: but he was on that sort of track. Is this
Speaker 1: a bit of a It just feels like the club's
Speaker 1: constantly in a addition by subtraction mode. Something goes right
Speaker 1: and then it's another step back.
Speaker 2: Look, I really think it comes down to what we
Speaker 2: replace them with. I'm not going to say I'm disappointed
Speaker 2: to leave, because I think he's a fantastic football and
Speaker 2: I'll be very disappointed to seem leave. But I had
Speaker 2: heard before even the Lucky Gavin stuff blew up that
Speaker 2: talent of Silver was not high on the priority list
Speaker 2: for the club, and I don't know why that is.
Speaker 2: So I'm not necessarily thinking this is just a talent
Speaker 2: of Silver decision. I think part of this is a
Speaker 2: club decision as well.
Speaker 1: Nick, I've got a couple of other points on this
Speaker 1: order to raise. I'm just reading through all my rants here,
Speaker 1: But do you think there's no doubt Appy's a fantastic player.
Speaker 1: He probably could play through to the end of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty eight. I just I'm struggling to get my head around, like,
Speaker 1: in general, if that was a decision, if it's a
Speaker 1: senior guy, I'm not going to say he's on the slide,
Speaker 1: but he's at the tire. Who's a career against a
Speaker 1: guy who, for all you know, decent, for all we've seen,
Speaker 1: is going to be at least a ten year first grader,
Speaker 1: And if he turns out to be a rep player,
Speaker 1: that's a bad decision for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's pluses and minuses that could swing
Speaker 4: both ways.
Speaker 3: To be honest, the way I look at it.
Speaker 4: Two and you're talking about, you know, struggles retaining junior tallent.
Speaker 4: We've got to become a winning club before any of
Speaker 4: these kids want to stick around. If we continue missing
Speaker 4: the eight, finishing in the bottom two, three, last, whatever
Speaker 4: it might be, these kids are going to be looking
Speaker 4: for the next place to move on to. So I
Speaker 4: asked myself, you know, what's our best chance of making
Speaker 4: what is the combination that we're best chance of making
Speaker 4: finals next year? And I see Appy in that nine jersey.
Speaker 4: I don't see talent getting more footy than what Appy
Speaker 4: would be making, you know, next season. So look, we
Speaker 4: need to get into the eight. We need to be
Speaker 4: winning games consistently or at least more often than we're losing.
Speaker 4: Happy for me, at least over the next one to
Speaker 4: two years. If we can recruit around him as well
Speaker 4: in strengthen some of those weaker positions, like we've talked
Speaker 4: about back Row and Locke, If we can get some
Speaker 4: quality in those positions to give a bit more starch
Speaker 4: to the attack, a little bit more, you know, locking
Speaker 4: up that defensive line, then I think that can go
Speaker 4: a long way to us being more successful on the field.
Speaker 4: And then hopefully the next kids like young Jared Haywold,
Speaker 4: who I haven't seen play. I've just heard a lot
Speaker 4: of raps about him. Hopefully kids like that will say,
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't want to go anywhere else.
Speaker 4: And he's probably know it's been said, he's the logical
Speaker 4: one to step up out of talent shadow and maybe
Speaker 4: take over from Happy in you know, three or four
Speaker 4: years time. So maybe it's him, but we've got to
Speaker 4: start winning games.
Speaker 1: Bottom line, Gary, my last rant of this situation, why
Speaker 1: should we just let him go straight away? Like Galvin?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Okay, Galvin was a big circus. This is not a
Speaker 1: big circus. So why do we just go? Are we
Speaker 1: going to roll with Appy? And who cares? We'll play
Speaker 1: Tristan Hope if haf he gets injured. Why not say, talent,
Speaker 1: you can go wherever you like in eighteen months, mate,
Speaker 1: but you're staying here because if we want to make
Speaker 1: the eight and if Appy goes down, we need a
Speaker 1: quality back up. Can't It's smarter people to be working
Speaker 1: the salary cap. But are we just rolling over again?
Speaker 2: I can't disagree with that, Edie. If we had turned
Speaker 2: around and we've got Kyle Peers Paul for the rest
Speaker 2: of the season, even though it's only a short term benefit,
Speaker 2: I think I probably would have been okay with him leaving.
Speaker 2: If he leaves and there's kind of nothing in return.
Speaker 1: That's what happens Gary, every year. Every year.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I guess we're going to find out in
Speaker 2: the next couple of days because June thirty is like
Speaker 2: five days away. So if he's leaving this year, then
Speaker 2: we're going to know about it this weekend. So let's
Speaker 2: see what happens over the weekend and see what comes
Speaker 2: out of it. And and I guess we can have
Speaker 2: a return to this conversation on Sunday night.
Speaker 4: What are the odds talent doesn't play a minute on
Speaker 4: Friday night?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't. Yeah, I mean that it was interesting Nick
Speaker 1: Benji's comments, like, obviously he's not being vidictive, not putting
Speaker 1: him on, but he didn't exactly go into depths. He
Speaker 1: just basically said no comment way. So looks maybe you'll
Speaker 1: get a farewell game of two minutes on the weekend. Gary,
Speaker 1: thanks for the memory of talent, and off you go
Speaker 1: and have a few premierships somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Carry him off.
Speaker 1: Not any good mood, Gary, as you can tell.
Speaker 2: No, I like cranky. It makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: I'm just just got to ask questions because I I
Speaker 1: just I don't want to go down the path of
Speaker 1: talking about history repeating. But Jesus Christ, if like if
Speaker 1: they end up three quarters of the players of Moses
Speaker 1: and Tedesco, it's going to be not only is it
Speaker 1: infuriating for the fans, but it's just gonna be a
Speaker 1: disaster for the club if that happens.
Speaker 2: Gay, Look, it will be a disaster of the club
Speaker 2: if the club has a similar trajectory after they left.
Speaker 2: If these two guys go off and they have really
Speaker 2: good careers elsewhere, but the Tigers are playing consistent top
Speaker 2: eight football and challenging for the top four and challenging
Speaker 2: for premierships, that no one's really going to care. It
Speaker 2: really depends on what happens after they leave, like the
Speaker 2: replacements were got, Like bringing in a Josh Reynolds isn't
Speaker 2: going to cut it. So it really comes down to
Speaker 2: what happens after they leave. And that's if talent does leave,
Speaker 2: it's what happens after is more important to me than
Speaker 2: what happens in their career.
Speaker 1: But just the last one, Gary, Like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find a positive or what would be the reasoning to
Speaker 1: let him go before June thirty if you're not getting
Speaker 1: a player swap, Like obviously I'm not inside competent.
Speaker 2: They can't be roster spots, can it.
Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, no, I'm not a coach. But like
Speaker 1: the only reason I can think of is that you know,
Speaker 1: he's attached to Galvin and he's spreading negativity around training,
Speaker 1: or he's not engaging in training or something like that.
Speaker 1: But I I just can't go through another one of
Speaker 1: these situations where we're just giving up one of our
Speaker 1: best juniors seemingly for nothing, halfway through a season that's
Speaker 1: meant to be still alive. According to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, if if you aren't getting anything in return
Speaker 2: and you're releasing this guy this weekend, the only reason
Speaker 2: that I can see that you could possibly do that
Speaker 2: would because he's bad for your culture, he's bad for
Speaker 2: your environment, he's bad for your team, and he's bad
Speaker 2: for morale. Now I don't know if any of those
Speaker 2: are true, but that's the only reason I could see
Speaker 2: why you would release a player like talent de Silver,
Speaker 2: especially in this rush, like it's kind of come out
Speaker 2: of nowhere in the last week. And it's a strange
Speaker 2: one because Newcastle, from what I've heard, approach the West
Speaker 2: Tigers about getting for the rest of this year on
Speaker 2: a loan deal and then offered him a contract through
Speaker 2: the club and then kind of backed all away from it.
Speaker 2: So I don't really know what's going on. I don't
Speaker 2: know if something's going to happen to me. Newcastle's recruitment
Speaker 2: policies over the last twelve months have been all over
Speaker 2: over the shop and I think this is another case
Speaker 2: of that, and they're kind of I don't not to
Speaker 2: say we've been caught in the crossfires, but we're kind
Speaker 2: of being wrapped up in that a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think it's he's been I read that he'd also
Speaker 3: been linked with.
Speaker 2: Many paramat.
Speaker 1: And cowboys like it's a good plane nick like. It's
Speaker 1: not like he's being offered to English Super League. There's
Speaker 1: half the NRL want him, which is my concern not
Speaker 1: around this situation.
Speaker 2: And in fairness to the guy, he would be a
Speaker 2: starter at a number of clubs around the NRL, so
Speaker 2: to be felt like I gave him a bit of
Speaker 2: a whack over the demands that he won't extend if
Speaker 2: Happy stays. But having a look at it, he would
Speaker 2: be a genuine starter and a number of teams already
Speaker 2: around the NRL.
Speaker 4: So just a theoretical, if manly, if we said okay,
Speaker 4: we'll give you talent to many, would you take Jack
Speaker 4: Simpkin back?
Speaker 1: Ah, Well, you need someone better than Tristan Hope. But
Speaker 1: I don't think take Simpkin for talent. The Silver's not
Speaker 1: a swap that's really exciting me, to be honest. But
Speaker 1: it's not like I don't want to make it sound
Speaker 1: like Gary it's an easy situation for the club because
Speaker 1: it's a tricky one. Like you guys are saying, like,
Speaker 1: you've got an elite rep standard hooker who probably thinks
Speaker 1: he's got three good years left in him, and the
Speaker 1: ideal situation for me not be possible, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: you loan him out for the rest of this year
Speaker 1: or even for the full year next year, and then
Speaker 1: you say to Happy you're done at the end of
Speaker 1: twenty six, or maybe you resign after for one year
Speaker 1: and Talon starts in twenty twenty seven. Appy comes off
Speaker 1: the bench. But it looks like that's that's an ideal
Speaker 1: world that's maybe not realistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the player has to want that too, so and
Speaker 2: as I said earlier, I'm still not convinced that the
Speaker 2: club actually had him in the plans moving forward.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, but that's like Revision's history for me, like
Speaker 1: the club doesn't because they've lost the battle again.
Speaker 2: Mate, I heard that back before the season started, back
Speaker 2: before the Galvin staff kicked off, that the club was
Speaker 2: only fifty to fifty on offering him an extension.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean the player does have to want it, Gary.
Speaker 1: I know I'm parping on about this, but my only
Speaker 1: point is the players tend to be happy to sit
Speaker 1: back at other clubs, and obviously our club. It's frustration
Speaker 1: because I thought with Jerome's arrival this sort of stuff
Speaker 1: would stop happening, but it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think it has with a lot of players.
Speaker 2: I think it's that buying that I was speaking about earlier.
Speaker 2: I think for the majority of our squad we have
Speaker 2: really good buy in. I think there's a couple who
Speaker 2: have been in our squad that we haven't got that from.
Speaker 2: And I think there's another one who's on the verge
Speaker 2: of reducing his buy in at the moment in Royce Hunt.
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like Ray Martin or Tracy Grimshaw. Nick,
Speaker 1: I'm ask you all the hard questions and I don't
Speaker 1: know I really on top of you. You are.
Speaker 4: You don't look like Tracy Grimshaw, maybe a little bit
Speaker 4: like Ray Martin.
Speaker 1: But let's do something else. Buy cell hold Gary, I
Speaker 1: will start with an interesting one. It's actually not actually
Speaker 1: a by Cell hold, but I'm going to call it
Speaker 1: by So it's if you could bring in one current
Speaker 1: player at the peak of their powers from the West
Speaker 1: Tiger's history that's no longer here, could be retired or
Speaker 1: could be still playing to the current side, who would
Speaker 1: you bring in? Uh?
Speaker 2: Probably Benji Marshall. Even yeah, even though there's a there's
Speaker 2: a fair make there's so many because as soon as.
Speaker 1: I say, that's not because I didn't give I didn't
Speaker 1: give the boys a head up on this question, but
Speaker 1: my answer, but I thought of Scott Prince or Gareth Ellis.
Speaker 1: I didn't think Benjie Marshall, not because he's not the
Speaker 1: best in the West Tiger's history, but just how do
Speaker 1: you play him? And what's your answer game?
Speaker 2: I'm going garrethellas Nick.
Speaker 4: I was going to say Gareth before Gary spanned it out.
Speaker 4: But hundred percent someone hard on the out on the
Speaker 4: edge there, which we don't have. Garafused to hit hit
Speaker 4: lines with speed and you had a bit of agility too,
Speaker 4: real tough nut.
Speaker 3: What he win players? Player? Was it threes in a
Speaker 3: row or twos in ao?
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 3: It was so freak of a player, great player.
Speaker 1: Because interesting, Gary, I was listening to my friend Rob's podcast.
Speaker 2: Your best Mate now, aren't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, You're mate as well now apparently, and I thought
Speaker 1: he was being a little bit sneaky with you know,
Speaker 1: I listened to Adele and I loved listening to his
Speaker 1: rap of the game. But he dragged a dell into
Speaker 1: our debate about the.
Speaker 2: Best I lost more respect for a doll.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't lose any respect for Adele, but I
Speaker 1: thought I thought Rob was being a little bit sneaky
Speaker 1: because my impression of that debate was the teams were
Speaker 1: picked according to what those players did in West Tiger's colors,
Speaker 1: Whereas I.
Speaker 2: Think I think you and I made that very clear
Speaker 2: the rod before we started that debate.
Speaker 1: I thought Josh made that clear in the Yes he did,
Speaker 1: but it seems at the moment it's you know, who
Speaker 1: was the better overall player. So like Gary, we may
Speaker 1: have well have picked Mitchell Moses or Josh Adakarr. We
Speaker 1: could have had an even better team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's that revisionist history coming up again, Eddie.
Speaker 2: I think Rob's just trying to sneak one under the
Speaker 2: radar and try and convince anyone anywhere that his team
Speaker 2: was better than ours. And we know we can't do that.
Speaker 1: We've got to get back to hating each other. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do here. Throw a few barbs.
Speaker 1: Rob can throw a few back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if Rob has any decent barbs, though.
Speaker 1: There you go. Let's do another by cell Hold. It's
Speaker 1: not by cell Hold tonight. Really, it's just questions. He
Speaker 1: said he regretted becoming the chairman of the West Tigers.
Speaker 1: I mean that makes two of us because I regretted
Speaker 1: him becoming chairman as well.
Speaker 4: I'm assuming he's got a lot of negative publicity. He doesn't,
Speaker 4: I can see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be honest, like Gary, I didn't read the article,
Speaker 1: but story short, it's about you know, Hollwood Bards and
Speaker 1: the ownership and we're hoping we through the worst of that.
Speaker 1: But I suppose he had a point, despite the fact
Speaker 1: we don't want to hear from him again.
Speaker 3: Well, it's very fad the point, Harry.
Speaker 2: My favorite part of the article was when he said
Speaker 2: that he had very little controllers chairman and other people
Speaker 2: were making all the decisions. But boy did he gloat
Speaker 2: about anything that we kind of did as in the
Speaker 2: club and kind of passed it off as his own
Speaker 2: and went on radio programs talking about what we're doing
Speaker 2: as a club. So I think again it's a little
Speaker 2: bit of revisionist history from chairman Lee and or ex
Speaker 2: chairman Lee. And I think he's trying to dump a
Speaker 2: little bit of rubbish on the club now that he's
Speaker 2: what eighteen months since he's kind of been moved on
Speaker 2: from the club.
Speaker 4: Is he still up at Newcastle Soccer with Pasco or
Speaker 4: is that still happening they Does anyone.
Speaker 3: Follow the Newcastle Jets?
Speaker 1: So who cares austraight in soccer? Yeah, it's probably not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even make the paper anymore. Nick, it's sort
Speaker 1: of a league. It was meant to be a revived
Speaker 1: now it's back to yeah, back to the days we
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know if the season's going on, if
Speaker 1: it's finished, To be honest.
Speaker 3: I think Brighton's killed them off.
Speaker 1: Probably could be. Hopefully that's true. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: Manley game, Gary, fifteen wins we've had from many so
Speaker 1: there was literally no boy, it was okay, you've bought
Speaker 1: it up. There was by cell hold, but it was
Speaker 1: round to do with the people who've had the We
Speaker 1: did a pod last week about the best West Tigers
Speaker 1: personalities and players. I was going to bring up some
Speaker 1: of the worst, but I've already buyed all my bullets tonight,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to save that one for another episode,
Speaker 1: perhaps if we do in another four games in a row.
Speaker 3: That sounds like a cracker.
Speaker 1: There's a ranking system where there's a lot of hot
Speaker 1: candidates for who's had the worst impact on West Tiger's
Speaker 1: in the last twenty five years.
Speaker 3: Are you going to include a coach, because I.
Speaker 1: Know Jason Taylor was right up the top of my list.
Speaker 2: Did you include a chairman and CEO as well?
Speaker 1: I did? I had a names. I also had Aaron
Speaker 1: Woods Garry in the mix.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, he's calls and lots of dramas all over
Speaker 2: the place.
Speaker 1: Now is all right, Marley game boys, It's Friday, six o'clock,
Speaker 1: Brookvail Oval Nick. I last went out to Brookvale Oval
Speaker 1: two thousand and two. I think I was sixteen or
Speaker 1: something like that, and I vowed never to go again.
Speaker 1: And I've been consistent.
Speaker 3: I remember been there since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: It would have been.
Speaker 3: That was only because I was there for any.
Speaker 4: Sofl's Cup game with the Maggies and the Tigers are
Speaker 4: actually playing after that, but that's the last time I've
Speaker 4: been there too, So yeah, not easy to get to
Speaker 4: unless you live out that way, I suppose.
Speaker 3: But yeah, six o'clock on a Friday.
Speaker 4: Like I said before, we get out of the way
Speaker 4: nice and early, so we can move on after from
Speaker 4: about eight pm and get on with the weekends, hopefully.
Speaker 3: On a happy note.
Speaker 4: But it's some interesting changes from both sides. Not sure
Speaker 4: where we start, but the one that not so much
Speaker 4: the fullback one from outside, but the fullback one from
Speaker 4: Manley Tom Trebovitch into the centers and he's being marked
Speaker 4: up against by Adam Douayhe, so that's going to be
Speaker 4: a very interesting pair up. Hopefully Adam can produce some
Speaker 4: of the defensive work that he's shown at times during
Speaker 4: this season to shut him down.
Speaker 1: Gary the big talkie point I suppose in the team
Speaker 1: we'll get to Buller's injury, but Leui to six Lar
Speaker 1: two to seven. This is surely a sign of the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, hopefully this is the first time they're partnering
Speaker 2: in the halves for what's going to be one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty two hundred games moving into the future. I'm
Speaker 2: really excited to see this. It's probably it's the most
Speaker 2: excited I've been about a game for quite a while
Speaker 2: this season. And to see Latu finally move into that
Speaker 2: halfback role and partner with Lui, I think's going to
Speaker 2: be some to Sea and to me, the combination looks
Speaker 2: to be building quite well already. I loved last week
Speaker 2: how Latu was able to push Drome a bit wider
Speaker 2: because that's where he plays his best football, and I'm
Speaker 2: really excited to see how they combined this weekend, and
Speaker 2: I think it's going to make a massive difference to
Speaker 2: our side. It's just a shame that Buller's injury kind
Speaker 2: of coincides with we finally get our halves that we're
Speaker 2: looking at moving forward with together and the full back
Speaker 2: is now out.
Speaker 4: Garry the only comment I make there on Latsu, and
Speaker 4: I'm excited as well to see him playing the halves.
Speaker 4: I think everyone's been wanting to see that since Lockie left,
Speaker 4: or if not before, But I know you were banging
Speaker 4: on and I've heard a few others say that Latsu
Speaker 4: is most likely held back because of minute restrictions coming
Speaker 4: back from his ham injuries. Was fifty five minutes last
Speaker 4: week that he played.
Speaker 2: I actually haven't checked the stats, but yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Was somewhere around there.
Speaker 4: The only thing I've got a question mark on is
Speaker 4: going from fifty five minutes to potentially eighty of first
Speaker 4: grade seems a lot. And I know Joel was making
Speaker 4: a point that you know, putting him in lockforward, you know,
Speaker 4: the workload's a bit different, but he was making a
Speaker 4: lot of hard runs from the thirteen jersey, so I
Speaker 4: don't know how much that impact is going to be different.
Speaker 4: And an extra potential twenty five minutes on the field,
Speaker 4: it is quite a lot.
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know yet whether it'll actually say out
Speaker 2: their complete game, so there is a possibility that he
Speaker 2: gets a break at some point. There's a possibility that
Speaker 2: talent comes on and plays a little bit of hooker
Speaker 2: and apping moves out into halves. That wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 2: to see if they're still trying to get him slightly
Speaker 2: reduced minutes. But I think this is a move that
Speaker 2: we need to need it to make. It's really important
Speaker 2: to get these guys playing together, not just the start
Speaker 2: to build the combination, but we need to know if
Speaker 2: that's the halves partnering we're moving forward with next season,
Speaker 2: and if we wait much longer, then it's going to
Speaker 2: be really hard to make that decision about what to
Speaker 2: do in that position next year if it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: I think Gary as well, like we just need to
Speaker 1: start games way better, like every we're twelve neel down
Speaker 1: like last two. You're right, he might only play sixty minutes,
Speaker 1: but at least if he comes off and we're six
Speaker 1: points in front or level, we're not out of the
Speaker 1: game when he's coming on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the best football we've played over the last
Speaker 2: two weeks has been when he's on the field, And
Speaker 2: I think it was very telling in that Penriff game
Speaker 2: that the difference he made, because as soon as he
Speaker 2: went off, that's where we kind of lost our way again.
Speaker 2: So I think it's really important we get as much
Speaker 2: time out of him as possible, and I'm really pleased
Speaker 2: to see him starting in that role and starting in
Speaker 2: the halves, So really excited about that combination.
Speaker 1: This weekend, I saw a few comments I think they
Speaker 1: inter reviewed Jerome today at Concord. I didn't see it, Nick,
Speaker 1: but the guy's attitude, he's a real pro, impresses me
Speaker 1: because deep down, like I think he really likes playing
Speaker 1: with Latu and much so more than he did with Galvin.
Speaker 1: But he did come here to be the number seven,
Speaker 1: and it seems like it's probably been big shelved after
Speaker 1: just more than half a season, but he's put his
Speaker 1: big boy pants on. I think he's all the right
Speaker 1: things you want to hear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how much of a difference there
Speaker 4: is between six and seven. I know that's always been debated,
Speaker 4: especially over recent years, whether it's what side of the
Speaker 4: field you're on, blah blah blah. But has Jermane He
Speaker 4: played the one game wearing the six jersey prior to
Speaker 4: this coming Friday with Adam deuy Yeah, so it is
Speaker 4: interesting because I wondered whether lats who would wear the six.
Speaker 4: I guess it doesn't matter, like I said, and who's
Speaker 4: going to dominate you know what, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 4: if Latsu. I don't think he's going to dominate us
Speaker 4: in more touches, but I think the way that he
Speaker 4: plays is probably going to come across I think is
Speaker 4: dominating just the way that he straightens up the attack
Speaker 4: a bit more. They're both very different in that respects
Speaker 4: the way that they played, Jerome and Lartuo, but I
Speaker 4: think it could compliment each other really well. So really
Speaker 4: looking forward to seeing how they combined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt they'll compliment each
Speaker 2: other really well. I still think Jerome's going to be
Speaker 2: the chief playmaker, but what Lartwo is going to do,
Speaker 2: He's going to create that space for him. He's going
Speaker 2: to create that extra room. He's going to slow up
Speaker 2: the defenses from sliding off and onto Jerome because Lartwo
Speaker 2: is a real threat of running the ball. He's acceleration
Speaker 2: and power through the line. He's very dangerous when he
Speaker 2: decides to go with the ball, so defenses can't kind
Speaker 2: of hang off him and slide early out onto Jerome.
Speaker 2: And I think we already saw the benefits that had
Speaker 2: last weekend. I thought last weekend playing outside Latu, once
Speaker 2: Lartwo came into that lock roll, which he played pretty
Speaker 2: much the same as you would a traditional half back role,
Speaker 2: was Jerome had a lot more space. He put in
Speaker 2: those couple of really nice kicks. We started to see
Speaker 2: Sam get some decent ball and hit some holes. We
Speaker 2: saw Adam Dewey hit a really good hole running off him,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what we're going to see. I
Speaker 2: think Jerome's still going to be the chief playmaker, but
Speaker 2: he's going to have a little bit more time and
Speaker 2: a little bit more space, and I think it's really crucial.
Speaker 2: And I just think the more space you can kind
Speaker 2: of give Jerome, the better he will be. And I'm
Speaker 2: really excited not just to see Latu play, but to
Speaker 2: see what he does for Jerome Loui. Of the course
Speaker 2: of a game.
Speaker 1: They did say, Gary, I think close with the stats
Speaker 1: that Loui was averaging around fifty touches a game when
Speaker 1: he was playing with Galvin, that's gone closer to seventy
Speaker 1: the last few weeks. Do you expect that balance to
Speaker 1: go down or be similar with Lato there you reckon.
Speaker 2: Look, I think he will still get a lot a
Speaker 2: lot of touches with Galvian, even especially early in the season.
Speaker 2: Even then, a lot of his touches were feeding the
Speaker 2: ball to Galvin. And I do think there was a
Speaker 2: genuine effort from Jerome Lui to keep Galvin kind of
Speaker 2: happy and get him all the ball that he wanted.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to have that issue if
Speaker 2: you have a look at the relationship. Even the photos
Speaker 2: coming out. There were some sponsorship photos coming out today
Speaker 2: and there's pictures of Latu and Lui together and they
Speaker 2: look at the beginning on great. The news I've heard
Speaker 2: is that they have a really strong relationship, that Leui
Speaker 2: feels that there's a really good chemistry between them out
Speaker 2: on the field as well. So I'm just really excited
Speaker 2: that we finally get to see this halves pairing this weekend.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, let's talk Jack burd Nikki gets an opportunity on
Speaker 1: the right edge. Alex safe Af debated to the bench.
Speaker 1: We sort of we're hoping some of us were hoping
Speaker 1: that might happen.
Speaker 4: Happy with that, Yes, and no, I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: he's a back rower. I just don't think he has
Speaker 4: the impacts that a back rower should have. He's got
Speaker 4: a very good passing game, obviously being a former half
Speaker 4: and sena as well. And I know Gary you've said
Speaker 4: that center's out and back rows these days is not
Speaker 4: a great deal of difference. So look, he's going to
Speaker 4: do a decent job. I think a lot of people
Speaker 4: have probably said that they've seen enough to say Fath
Speaker 4: in the back row for a while, So I don't
Speaker 4: mind say Fath going back to the bench.
Speaker 3: Actually hope save Fath.
Speaker 4: If he's going to be involved, it's going to be
Speaker 4: in that proper rotation rather than playing out wide a bit.
Speaker 4: But we'll see what happens there. But yeah, look, I
Speaker 4: don't mind seeing Jack Bird. I don't know what the
Speaker 4: other options are, so at the moment we're a bit
Speaker 4: thin out on that edge, so you know, I hope
Speaker 4: he has a cracker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very happy with Jack Bird going into that role.
Speaker 2: I'd probably myself would have put Solka there. I think
Speaker 2: that would have been my option. But he's on the
Speaker 2: bench anyway, and I expect him to go into that
Speaker 2: right edge position at some point with Bird probably moving
Speaker 2: to the lock roll. So I think Bird can do
Speaker 2: a job there. I don't think he is a long
Speaker 2: term solution there. Which is pretty much the same as
Speaker 2: the club season. Because it brought in Kay Pispoor for
Speaker 2: next year, it was time for Safe after to kind
Speaker 2: of move back to the bench. His first contact contact
Speaker 2: and his control of the tackle just isn't strong enough
Speaker 2: to be playing out on that edge in both attack
Speaker 2: and defense. He gets pushed back too easily in defense
Speaker 2: and gets gets dominated with the ball in offense. So
Speaker 2: I think it's a decision that had been made by
Speaker 2: being Benji and I was very pleased to see a
Speaker 2: change in that position when the side was announced.
Speaker 1: Yesterday because I was actually, this is not my point.
Speaker 1: Actually was listening to Adela. I thought this was really interesting.
Speaker 1: He said, most teams defensive right end has to be
Speaker 1: their strongest garry because those human teams the easiest way
Speaker 1: to pass the ball. And like when you think all
Speaker 1: year we've had Safarth and Galvit together, I think on
Speaker 1: that left edge she really struggled. I'm not saying Bird's
Speaker 1: going to be one thousand percent better, but do you
Speaker 1: think that's something that long term the club has.
Speaker 2: To look at one hundred percent? You have look at
Speaker 2: that combination between Heath Mason, Alex Safarth and Stafford Towell
Speaker 2: last weekend. That's where Camber ripped us apart. That's where
Speaker 2: the mistakes came. That's where the errors came. That's where
Speaker 2: the defensive misreads and over commitments came and really for me.
Speaker 2: I think I said it on the pod we did
Speaker 2: on Sunday night, that right edge cost us the game
Speaker 2: on Sunday and it was really disappointing to see. But
Speaker 2: we've made quite big changes there and I think defensively
Speaker 2: that right edge will be a lot stronger. Latu Feinu
Speaker 2: is an excellent defender. He has really good contact, he
Speaker 2: makes really good reads, and he actually hits fairly hard
Speaker 2: for a half. So that's a great improvement over Heath
Speaker 2: Mason on that edge, and Jack Bird is a massive
Speaker 2: improvement over say Farf. Defensively, I still think he doesn't
Speaker 2: have that impact with the ball that we need on
Speaker 2: that right edge, so that's still going to be a
Speaker 2: little bit of an issue. But I think defensively that
Speaker 2: right edge will be much stronger on the weekend, and
Speaker 2: it's yeah, and it's one of the reasons I think
Speaker 2: we can get away with a win against Manly.
Speaker 1: To read bullet nick massive blow for probably about a month,
Speaker 1: I mean typical Tigers apparently happened on the last player
Speaker 1: of the game. But yeah, just reading the forums like
Speaker 1: I like to do, get some sort of reaction where
Speaker 1: the fans are leaning there's pretty mixed reaction to Heath
Speaker 1: Mason going back to fullback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a bit fifty fifty.
Speaker 4: I didn't actually mind Heath going back, but on the
Speaker 4: or on the same sort of thing there, I didn't
Speaker 4: mind who came in. Like I know, Gary, you were
Speaker 4: talking about possibility of Taruva coming in playing fullback. I
Speaker 4: saw on exit people. I know you guys probably should
Speaker 4: have done. Whether Charlie Stains comes in. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: he would have been the answer, but I don't mind it.
Speaker 4: He's been in and around the team now for quite
Speaker 4: a while. He's he would have some combinations. I don't
Speaker 4: think he's, you know, the complete fullback, and he's obviously
Speaker 4: not the complete half, which is why he's being moved
Speaker 4: around a little bit and probably a bit of a
Speaker 4: backup play.
Speaker 3: But I think you'll do a job.
Speaker 4: I think what we'll really miss with Dream a lot
Speaker 4: of our tack late that he's been with Dream chasing
Speaker 4: through those high kicks and trying to catch the one
Speaker 4: that's coming over his shoulder, and he's had.
Speaker 3: A little bit of success there.
Speaker 4: Heath will give that a crack, but he doesn't have
Speaker 4: the hype or the athletic ability that Dream has, and
Speaker 4: he doesn't have the ball passing game that Dream has either,
Speaker 4: So there's some definite differences there in their styles of play.
Speaker 4: But you know he's going to have a go, so
Speaker 4: I'd like to see he's play a bit of a
Speaker 4: Brett Hodgson style game, you know, just sniffing around the ruck,
Speaker 4: following La two and Jerome around the halves and looking
Speaker 4: for an opportunity to run through. So yeah, I hope
Speaker 4: he has a good game too.
Speaker 2: Well, we lose a lot by not having a Dream
Speaker 2: Buller there. If you remember back to round one, we
Speaker 2: played with absolutely no shape, and as soon as Buller
Speaker 2: came back, we at least had a little bit of
Speaker 2: shape of him sliding around the back. So we're going
Speaker 2: to miss that, and I'm a little bit worried that,
Speaker 2: despite it being fairly one dimensional at times last weekend,
Speaker 2: I think our attack has a risk of being a
Speaker 2: little bit one dimensional without us being able to run
Speaker 2: those block shapes that we've kind of seen with Dream
Speaker 2: at the back. My hope is that Lar two going
Speaker 2: into the halves kind of counters that loss of Buller
Speaker 2: at the back and we have better shape because we're
Speaker 2: pushing Drome a little bit wider. I'm not a huge
Speaker 2: fan of Mason at fullback. A number of times in
Speaker 2: that game earlier in the season, he didn't attack the ball,
Speaker 2: he didn't attack the high ball, he let it bounce.
Speaker 2: These are things that we can't afford to have this weekend. Personally,
Speaker 2: I did think about earlier in the week that I'd
Speaker 2: like to see Taruver in that role. But luk Li
Speaker 2: Lily's been playing fullback in State Cup and been doing
Speaker 2: a really good job of it, making a lot of meters,
Speaker 2: scoring a fair few tries and been quite dangerous, so
Speaker 2: I think that could have been an option. But I
Speaker 2: do agree with Nick Heath. Mason's been in and around
Speaker 2: the side for the last three weeks now, so it's
Speaker 2: probably the least disruptive move is to moving back to fullback.
Speaker 2: But I am concerned about it. He is very one
Speaker 2: dimensional in attack, and I'm worried that that will make
Speaker 2: our attack very one dimensional as well.
Speaker 1: Did you see the game player, Gary, because like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's one dimensional bit hah harsh with
Speaker 1: east Mathan because he's quick, like he's more of the
Speaker 1: guy who's going back up through the middle, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this manly pack which is rubbish. I think
Speaker 1: it's absolutely rubbish, like compared to most teams at Lodge Tavanda, Takiyahu, Waddell,
Speaker 1: Jake Ta voiviitch who I doubt run over forty meters
Speaker 1: these days, and ben VOI bitch.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: If we can't get over the top of that pack,
Speaker 1: I think maybe we have to center our attack a
Speaker 1: little bit this week. Not saying we've got the best
Speaker 1: forward back in the world, but surely guys like Torell
Speaker 1: May happy and if we get some offloads, I reckon
Speaker 1: Mason could be good in this game.
Speaker 2: Look, and really I think paul A Andconi has been great.
Speaker 2: And Terrell earlier in the season was offloading a lot.
Speaker 2: There was a game where he had close to ten offloads,
Speaker 2: so it is definitely something that he could do. Sniff
Speaker 2: around and follow Torell May through the middle because he
Speaker 2: does have a good offload. Terrell seems to have put
Speaker 2: that away a little bit the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: but maybe that's I think that can come out again
Speaker 2: this weekend. Yeah. More the one dimensional aspect of it
Speaker 2: is there's no real passing game there, even playing five
Speaker 2: to eight last week. He does not have the passing
Speaker 2: game that Dream Buller does. He doesn't have the ease
Speaker 2: of breaking through the line himself that Buller has. What
Speaker 2: you do have is if you give him a little
Speaker 2: bit of space, he will take that space. He is quick,
Speaker 2: he has a decent step, and I think it comes
Speaker 2: down to us creating that space. And I just don't
Speaker 2: think we're going to see the clear up ball movement
Speaker 2: that we've been able to see from Dream Buller with
Speaker 2: Heath Mason in that role. So I think our outside
Speaker 2: backs may have a tougher game, which kind of plays
Speaker 2: into your theory, Eddie, of playing them through the middle.
Speaker 1: Well, Nick, before the fans hate me even more than
Speaker 1: they do at the moment, I am going to clarify
Speaker 1: I don't prefer Heath Mason to Dream Buller at fullback.
Speaker 1: I've never once said that, even though.
Speaker 2: You might have thought it a couple of times though a.
Speaker 1: Baller critic in the past. But I think he's been
Speaker 1: excellent this year, So I will be interested to see
Speaker 1: how that goes, because it's sort of like the things
Speaker 1: you don't appreciate with Bully, you probably don't notice them
Speaker 1: until he's not out there, which is what Gary Potter
Speaker 1: that which if he's going to be put under pressure
Speaker 1: a Mason in this game with particularly the high ball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed. I'm going to say saying something that no
Speaker 4: doubt the two of you and a lot of people
Speaker 4: will destroy me for. And we can't do it now
Speaker 4: because unless Benji's listening to this and he here's my
Speaker 4: suggestion and makes a late change. But just thinking about
Speaker 4: Nixtines on the podcast. Yeah Nick Sheens is here. But
Speaker 4: just thinking about, you know, missing that shape or lacking
Speaker 4: that shape with Dream at the back, Gary not being
Speaker 4: available on Friday, what if you move someone like Adam
Speaker 4: do we to fallback who has some who has some
Speaker 4: playmaking skills, and he's played fullback in the past. He'd
Speaker 4: probably be a bit better than Heath Mason under the
Speaker 4: high ball. I know he doesn't have that explosive speed
Speaker 4: or much speed at all, but he might actually have
Speaker 4: that capability to.
Speaker 1: Very brave asking.
Speaker 3: Well, I can see it. I can see it. Gary,
Speaker 3: can you see it?
Speaker 2: No? I never want to see Adam do you play
Speaker 2: fullback ever again? Even back when he did play a
Speaker 2: bit of fullback for US. I didn't want him playing
Speaker 2: fullback then he doesn't have the pace for it. The
Speaker 2: one thing I would give him, and the concern I
Speaker 2: do have is Mason. He's quite short for a fullback,
Speaker 2: which isn't necessarily an issue. Taruver is quite short, and Skelton,
Speaker 2: while a bit taller, isn't the tallest swinger in the
Speaker 2: world either. So we're lacking a little bit of height
Speaker 2: in our back three. And I'm sure, especially when you've
Speaker 2: got Tom Travoyevitch playing in the centers, he's going to
Speaker 2: be a target for for the crossfield bombs. So it's
Speaker 2: something that the side needs to be aware of and
Speaker 2: we need to do something to kind of help those
Speaker 2: guys out a little bit because I can see mainly
Speaker 2: attacking us through the air well.
Speaker 1: Prediction, Nicko, I don't like giving predictions. My honest thought is,
Speaker 1: you know, we probably lose this in Golden Point. That's
Speaker 1: just how I know you're laughing, but I'm dead serious,
Speaker 1: Like I'm thinking about putting a bet on Marley to
Speaker 1: win Golden Point, because that's the way this this is
Speaker 1: how it's going our luck at the moment. But I
Speaker 1: will make one prediction, and it's a bit of a
Speaker 1: cop out, Gary because it's not really a prediction. But
Speaker 1: I think either the Titans game, Cowboys game, or this
Speaker 1: game we play mainly twice on the Titans twice, so
Speaker 1: I'm spreading my wings across five games here. We're going
Speaker 1: to have a win that's by thirty or more. I
Speaker 1: think when we do win, it'll be a big win.
Speaker 1: I just don't offer to me this week.
Speaker 2: I expect to win this weekend. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say it's going to be thirty, but I think we'll
Speaker 2: get a comfortable win this weekend. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: give a score for protection prediction, but I can say
Speaker 2: it's winning thirteen plus this weekend. I think Manly is
Speaker 2: really poor. I think they've given up on their coach,
Speaker 2: and I think we're going to see what usually happens
Speaker 2: with it to a side that gives up on their
Speaker 2: coach over the next couple of weeks with Manley.
Speaker 4: Also, Tigers win by a point and it would be
Speaker 4: golden point and Terrell May's going to kick the field goal.
Speaker 3: We don't have anyone else.
Speaker 1: I'll be under the couch that's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just pointless.
Speaker 1: Nick, golden point, please, know whuiz boys before we wrap
Speaker 1: this up. I haven't read it, so this could be
Speaker 1: a disaster. But I'm just going to scroll down and
Speaker 1: find a gay. I don't thing to talk about it
Speaker 1: for a minute while I scroll down the quiz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a really good weekend, went to basketball
Speaker 2: and well, Nick, who do you think? So you're ready
Speaker 2: now so I can.
Speaker 1: Stop the host, then you can ask your question if
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 2: No, it's too late.
Speaker 1: Multiple choice? What was the second half score when the
Speaker 1: West Tigers beat Manly nineteen eighteen at the Old SFS
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine? Was it a thirteen six
Speaker 1: West Tigers B eighteen one Manly? I think that might
Speaker 1: be it's not a best print given as a field goal.
Speaker 1: It's fair C twelve or second half? Or was it
Speaker 1: d Manly eighteen nil ABC or d D.
Speaker 2: I didn't really listen. I'm going to go I think
Speaker 2: it was thirteen six. Was that was that a?
Speaker 1: The answer is B. We led eighteen nil at halftime,
Speaker 1: so I think that was just a little misprint there.
Speaker 1: He's got eighteen one here, eighteen nil at half time.
Speaker 2: I would have got that right if it had a
Speaker 2: said eighteen meal.
Speaker 1: The Baroughfield goal being our only second half score. Question two,
Speaker 1: True or false? I don't know if I want to
Speaker 1: read this question At twenty sixteen, Jason Taylor signing lead
Speaker 1: the one word out to use before that surname is
Speaker 1: shared with the past West Tigers player's first name, albeit
Speaker 1: spelt differently. Anyone have any idea what that means? I'll
Speaker 1: read it out one more time At twenty sixteen Jason
Speaker 1: Taylor signing signing surname.
Speaker 2: He was all clue and we're not naming the player though,
Speaker 2: isn't it We're just saying true or false?
Speaker 1: Nope, it is Yeah, it is true or false? Actually,
Speaker 1: but there will be people are true interested in this.
Speaker 3: I'll say false.
Speaker 1: It is true. So the player he signed was Matt Ballan,
Speaker 1: and that was the first name of a player who
Speaker 1: played in two thousand and two. Three Rememberck Gary ball
Speaker 1: Ballan couples three played four games. Question three? Name the
Speaker 1: five West Tigers players who we signed from an overseas
Speaker 1: club prior to our infamous two thousand and five season.
Speaker 2: Marco'hellerin.
Speaker 1: Nope, one was a redhead Gary. None of them went
Speaker 1: on to any great heights at West Tigers.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to get any of these.
Speaker 1: These are between two thousand and two thousand and four
Speaker 1: guys that came from from a club. One was a
Speaker 1: blondheaded hooker. One was a redheaded back roller slash lock.
Speaker 1: One was a winger.
Speaker 2: We didn't get Nick Grain from over there, did.
Speaker 1: We apparently Wigan Warriors.
Speaker 2: And what was the first one, you said.
Speaker 1: Blonde blondeheaded hooker played around Darren Santa's era, Robert Robert Mes. Yep,
Speaker 1: we got a wigger played a bit for Penrith. Robbie Beckett.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: A half who who played played for a few clubs.
Speaker 1: A bit of a funny one here because he's doing
Speaker 1: silly business, silly buggers, because we signed him from the
Speaker 1: Auckland Warriors, so he's playing in the NRL but an
Speaker 1: overseas club. It was John Simon, Yeah, I was about
Speaker 1: John Simon. And the other one was the great Glen
Speaker 1: Air who played one game for the West Tigers.
Speaker 2: Quite like John Simon.
Speaker 1: Nearest to the pin out of seventeen, how many of
Speaker 1: our two thousand and five premiership winning squad have tasted
Speaker 1: victory at Brookvale during their entire West Tiger's career, Gary,
Speaker 1: you go first?
Speaker 2: What do I have to go first all the time?
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm going to say five.
Speaker 3: Four?
Speaker 1: The answer is six. Two thousand and three winners were
Speaker 1: Fittenry Scandales, the Frankie O'Neal and Galia in round six
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and round seventeen twenty twenty the great Benji
Speaker 1: Marshall victorious at Brookvale finished with Who am I? I
Speaker 1: was born in Brisbane in nineteen eighty one. Played one
Speaker 1: hundred and ten games, scoring one try in six years
Speaker 1: for a fellow Western Sydney club. I joined West Tigers
Speaker 1: in the year we were premiership favorites I think that
Speaker 1: was twenty twelve from memory. Featured in twenty three of
Speaker 1: twenty four games, played nine games. The following year what
Speaker 1: was my final season? Returned back to where I was
Speaker 1: born and played for the Burly Bears. I was a forward.
Speaker 1: My surname is shared with a train station on the
Speaker 1: Blue Mountains Line.
Speaker 2: The surname was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember the name, but I would I wouldn't
Speaker 1: never have got it. He played for Penrith between two
Speaker 1: thousand and six and twenty eleven, played for West Tigers
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen, thirty two games, scoring
Speaker 1: no tries. The station is Bell, which is between Mount
Speaker 1: Victoria and Lithgo. It's out your way, Garyan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, about an hour away.
Speaker 1: But yes, his name is Matthew Bell.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember him.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, Addie. Another very tricky quiz for the
Speaker 1: listeners out there to taco. Yeah, exactly, boys, that's it.
Speaker 1: Hopefully I won't be required Sunday because it seems I've
Speaker 1: required every couple of days at the moment. Garryots it's
Speaker 1: the depths of winter and Poole's character come out in
Speaker 1: the depth of winter. I'm fronting up every show. But
Speaker 1: other people they're now war correspondence, or they've got excuses
Speaker 1: or you.
Speaker 2: Know, we're about a huge couple of leagues, are.
Speaker 4: He We had what happens when you're popular, Gary and
Speaker 4: Eddie just suck it up and get on with.
Speaker 1: It, well, said nick uh Tom Shines he's on the
Speaker 1: West Tigers for um, he said, I was. He was
Speaker 1: scared by my acceptance. So hopefully Tom, you're a bit
Speaker 1: happy with my performance, and I tried to show that
Speaker 1: I'm actually they're not rosy with everything that's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, positive very say boys, Thanks for guys,