WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:17.239 West Tigers Podcast, episode number four hundred and eleven, Midwek edition, 2 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:21.519 joined by Nick and Gary on a Wednesday night before 3 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:26.879 the West Tigers Friday game at Brookville Obile at six pm. Gary, 4 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.559 we were going to be joined by our new war 5 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:33.039 correspondent Steve Stretton, but unfortunately the line has dropped off. 6 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:36.799 Yeah. I think he flew out of the country before 7 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:38.960 it got blown up or something, so I think he's 8 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:39.640 back in Australia. 9 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.240 There just a bit of background on that. I think 10 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:43.679 Steve was in Qatar. 11 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:46.759 Goodbye you buy Bye? 12 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:52.719 Close enough Gary, Yeah, as was my Tigers supporting mate 13 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:55.759 who's a race caller who was over there, and obviously 14 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:58.640 some dramas over there. So Steve is safe. Hears home, 15 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:01.119 but he is in no shape to do the podcast tonight. 16 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:05.120 But Nick, another Friday six o'clock game. Are you looking 17 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:06.319 forward to it or you're dreading it? 18 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:06.640 Like me? 19 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:09.120 A bit of both, Eddie. 20 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:11.159 I'm looking forward to getting it out of the way, 21 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:14.680 but I'm also I'm very hopeful. I know Gary sort 22 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:16.319 of said it the other night that we can beat 23 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:18.519 Manly and it's kind of talking me around. I do 24 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:20.239 think we can beat Manly. I think if there's a 25 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:21.959 team that we can topple. 26 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:27.200 Manly is the one. So yeah, looking forward to two points. 27 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.719 Not Friday the thirteenth, Gary, But it's got a bit 28 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:31.879 of a doomsday field to it this game for both clubs. 29 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.200 Whoever loses this game is going to be copying at 30 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:35.680 Big Type. 31 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.400 Yeah. I my prediction is that Mainly loses this week 32 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:44.560 and Seabold gets sacked probably next week, but within two 33 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:47.439 weeks I think he won't will no longer be at 34 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:50.319 the Manly Club. So I think it is doomsday. I'm 35 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:55.400 just I'm quietly positive that it won't be able to doomsday. 36 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.560 Yeah. A little bit of feedback from our last podcast, 37 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.680 just before we get into our regular midweek stuff. We've 38 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.000 got a bit of bysell Hold. We'll preview the game 39 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.840 on Friday. We got Yondies quiz. We're going to chat 40 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:13.039 talent the Silver. But just some feedback. First, Rusty sixty three, 41 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:17.199 he said, painful progress is the word. Boys. You should 42 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:19.360 have just done a five second podcast. He said, it 43 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:22.560 didn't have to go any further than that, So sounds 44 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:28.719 good to me. Rusty Strong, Gary or the strange she 45 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:29.280 looked it. 46 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.199 Up Strong, I think it is. She didn't tell me once. 47 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:33.120 I can't remember what it is. 48 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.719 He made an interesting post a number of observations. Doesn't 49 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.560 agree with us with everything he said. He said in 50 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:44.319 regards to Killer Instinct, basically all the things the Raiders 51 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:48.439 did should have been penalties. So Nick, you would agree with. 52 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:51.159 That one spot on that's strong love your work. 53 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:56.000 He said, LA two to thirteen would have been due 54 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:58.879 to the hammy. Given six, you're far more likely to 55 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:03.199 be doing short sprints thirteen. Most game is up and back, Gary, 56 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.439 I think we'd both probably agree with that initially, although 57 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:06.879 he is in the seven jump of this week. 58 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.000 Yeah, and isn't that great. I hope you talk about 59 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:11.919 that a little bit later in the pott and go 60 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:14.360 and do a bit more detail. But yeah, I do 61 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:18.039 agree with what he had to say. Yeah, well he 62 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:20.879 was on a minutes restriction and he's right about that 63 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.879 explosive running at seven. That's more of a risk on 64 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:26.719 your hamstring than probably the workload at thirteen. 65 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.439 Vicky b. Nick. He said, Saya's a nice guy, but 66 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.479 not up to it. My same question again, how do 67 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:34.479 we know he's a nice guy. 68 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.560 I did start to talk the other night that I 69 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:41.439 had met Alex Fath at my local shops because he's 70 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.199 a resident in the neighboring suburb and he's a nice fellow. 71 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:47.680 Take that back then, Yeah, and he's been dropped to 72 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:50.280 the bench, so anyway, look forward to seeing what he 73 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:51.400 can bring impact wise. 74 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:54.439 Vicky be also said that he supports Jack Bird on 75 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.080 the right edge. Gary, I think he's got his wish. 76 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:59.759 Yeah, that's a pretty good tip considering that's what we 77 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:01.759 saw when the side was announced just the afternoon. 78 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.360 All right, boys did do the agenda talent. The Silver's 79 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.680 been at the headlines the past few days, been free, 80 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:13.639 apparently to negotiate with rival clubs. According to some of 81 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:16.839 the news limited guys, he's already met with Todd Payton, 82 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:23.160 Newcastle Seabold and I think it was James Hooper might 83 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:27.800 have said that he reckons he'll be gone before June thirtieth. So, Nick, 84 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.519 this has all happened very quickly over the past couple 85 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:32.040 of weeks. What do you make of it? 86 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:35.160 Well, you mentioned he'd met with Todd Payton. Is that 87 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:37.720 in regards to extending at West Tigers, because we'd kind 88 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:39.959 of back Peyton into a contract. 89 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:45.279 The other night. Yeah, I don't know. Look, he's the 90 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:46.040 type of kid. 91 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.519 What is twenty think he turned twenty in April, well 92 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:51.879 not long ago anyway, but he's the type of kid 93 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:52.720 you'd want to hold on to. 94 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:56.040 I didn't see L three sixty tonight, but I had 95 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:57.519 a quick look at X before he jumped on. 96 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:02.720 Apparently there was some discussion on talent and Tiger's losing players, 97 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.920 and I think someone made a comment that you know, 98 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:11.600 this has happened before with Tesco and Moses, etcetera. But look, 99 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:14.319 plenty of potential, but twenty years old. I know that 100 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.639 there was an example. I think it might have been Kelly. Actually, 101 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:19.959 I next posted something tonight saying that you know, Harry 102 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.759 Grant was happy to sit behind Karen Smith until he 103 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:24.720 was twenty two and didn't complain about it, which is 104 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.800 very true, although Melbourne is at the top of the 105 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:29.560 ladder and we're generally not, so. 106 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:32.959 It's disappointing. 107 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.800 If he really wants to leave, you know, the rumors 108 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:37.240 are that he wants to stay at the club, but 109 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.360 you know, if you can get an opportunity else where, 110 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.120 he will, so I don't know. I'm just at a 111 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:43.879 point where you know, if he wants to go, if 112 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:45.720 he's going to winger about it, Like you know, Galvin 113 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.079 did then let him walk at the door. 114 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:50.839 Leading up the round one this year, there was a 115 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.279 little bit of talk around that the club wasn't completely 116 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:56.600 sold on him, but there were only fifty to fifty 117 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:01.120 towards extending the contract that he currently had. So I 118 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:03.360 think part of this is the club's made a decision 119 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:06.240 that that's not the direction they want to go, and 120 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:10.720 they're actually happy, well maybe not happy, but willing to 121 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:13.399 let him go because he's not really in the future 122 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:18.000 plans that they have. So I don't mind it if 123 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.000 that's the decision they've made as long as we're at 124 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.040 a spot where we've got a happy signed up. If 125 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:27.399 we let him go and then APPY doesn't extend, then 126 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:30.600 that leads us in a very vulnerable spot heading into 127 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.199 twenty twenty seven. So I'm hoping the fact that there 128 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:36.279 is a little bit of talk around him moving on 129 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:38.759 that means that Appy's probably extended. 130 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:41.720 Well, that's gary I was going to say that, that's 131 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.519 clearly I reckon they're going to announce the happy side 132 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:46.959 to the end of twenty twenty eight. Whether that's the 133 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.920 right move or not, I have my doubts as much 134 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:54.040 respect as I have for Appy, but again stealing in 135 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.839 rumors at the moment an innuendo. There was some noise 136 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:01.199 that potentially Shane Richardson what the back talent de silver 137 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:05.240 but also said to the coach, it's your decision, Benji Marshall, 138 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.959 and he's obviously gone with Happy, who's a senior guy 139 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:12.519 he can trust. But is that a little bit short 140 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:14.879 sighted or does it point to the fact that he 141 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:16.879 has to win games in the next two years if 142 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:20.000 he's still going to be the head coach, Well. 143 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:22.240 He definitely needs to win games over the next two years, 144 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.040 like we can't have another season next year like we're 145 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:29.000 having this year. There needs to be upward progression constantly 146 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:34.439 so I can The major issue that I've had from 147 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:37.439 the outside looking in with Talent is the fact that 148 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:43.959 the ultimatum that if Happy extends, I'm lee, I'm going 149 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.240 to the open market, that getting into the media. I 150 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:52.439 don't mind him having that feeling and wanting to look 151 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:55.720 elsewhere if Happy extends, but to publicly have that come 152 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.000 out that he's saying that and coming out through his manager, 153 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.279 I think is a is a poor look on him, 154 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.199 and I don't think he's done enough in his career 155 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.600 at this point in time to be making those sort 156 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.240 of demands to a club. That about a player who 157 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:14.720 has played state of origin football, has won multiple premierships 158 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:18.959 at multiple clubs. I think it's a bit soon in 159 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:22.399 his career to be pushing that that hard. Fair enough 160 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.199 decide to go elsewhere, but to put an ultimatum on 161 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:26.839 the club, I think is a bit rich. 162 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.720 I'm tempted to go on a bit of a rant here, Nick, 163 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.360 but I've got a bad head Colt, So apologies for 164 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.840 my voice viewers because I'm sniffling and snuffling my way through. 165 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:40.080 But like, how often can we blame players for having 166 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:43.960 a poor attitude, like, you know, as much as I 167 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:45.720 hate to admit it, And whether this is fair at 168 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:48.600 the club or not, the reason Harry Grant is happy 169 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.320 to stay at Melbourne until he's twenty two, or Sivala 170 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:54.480 at the Roosters is happy to sit under Dalhi Tree 171 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:59.840 Everence is because they create a good environment. So how 172 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.480 long can we keep blaming young players for wanting out 173 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:06.440 and then they're going to have a great career at 174 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:07.039 another club. 175 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:11.200 Yeah, You've got a very good point there, and you've 176 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.559 only got to look at how happy Locke left when 177 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:17.159 he left the club too, and not just how happy 178 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.480 Locke left, but how supportive. 179 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:20.600 And I know they're all mates. 180 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:22.399 And when Galvin left, you know, in the first week 181 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:24.679 he said, look, it was it was really hard decision 182 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:26.360 to live the West Tigers because a lot of my 183 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.440 best mates are there and are obviously very supportive of him. 184 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:35.679 But Tallon was one that was extremely publicly, outwardly. 185 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.679 Supportive of Locke's move. 186 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:38.919 And I've got no doubt that you know, that had 187 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.960 you know, quite a bit of impacts on him. I 188 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.240 know he probably hasn't made a decision yet, but you 189 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:49.039 know it's likely going to probably influence what he is 190 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:49.440 going to do. 191 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.200 But yeah, I agree, Eddie. You know, we've been selling 192 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:55.960 us for a while. We are on the up. 193 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.240 We all hope, hope to believe that we're on the up. 194 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:00.919 We're starting to play a brand footy that looks like 195 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.799 we're on the up, with some question marks and asterixes 196 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:04.240 around that. 197 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:09.320 But yeah, look, if Talan came. 198 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.480 Out tomorrow and said I've signed with Newcastle or Manly 199 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.360 or whoever it might be, then you know that's that 200 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.919 I just I wouldn't be grudging for doing it, I'd 201 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:22.919 be disappointed, but I wouldn't be grudging for doing it. 202 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.320 The culture is stunk at the West Tigers for close 203 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.559 on a decade now. Now. I don't think anyone can 204 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:34.799 deny that there is a genuine attempt to improve that 205 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:39.120 culture and improve those sort of feelings towards the club 206 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:42.279 amongst players. But you need buying from the players to 207 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.639 do that. And if you're not getting buying from the players, 208 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.440 and you have guys who who still want to leave 209 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:49.879 because they've been here for a while and it hasn't 210 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.919 changed quicker enough for them, there's not a lot you 211 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:55.879 can do about that except continuing going down that path 212 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:00.519 of that improvement of culture. And I think everyone can 213 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:03.720 see there's a genuine effort from the club to make 214 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.279 those improvements. You can see it in the players that 215 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:08.000 we've signed, you can see it in the leaders we're 216 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:11.639 brought into the club. And that's going to take time 217 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.480 to improve. But you need buying from the players, and 218 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:16.799 it's quite obvious we've had a few of our younger 219 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.279 guys who haven't brought into that process or haven't believed 220 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:21.559 that process. 221 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:21.679 And. 222 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.120 Well, I don't know it could be that it's taken 223 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:29.200 too long to occur for them. It could be that 224 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.279 they've been here for five years already and the change 225 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.600 is only just starting to come through now, Or it 226 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:37.120 could be they're resistant to that change as well. But 227 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.320 they don't like that change that's happening. They don't like 228 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:41.120 the new leaders that are coming in, they don't like 229 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:43.320 the standards that are being placed at the club. I 230 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.279 don't know what the reason is for them to say 231 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:47.559 no that. I hope the people inside the club know 232 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:51.039 what that reason is. But you need buying from those players, 233 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.960 and for the most part, you look across our squad, 234 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.000 it looks like we have buying from the majority of 235 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:59.399 the players. You listen to the majority of our players 236 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.200 speak about the club, it sounds like there's buying in 237 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:05.200 that change of culture and the direction Benji Marshall's taking 238 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.799 the club. But there are a few players who haven't 239 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:10.120 bought into that. There are a few players who don't 240 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.519 believe in the direction of Benji Marshall. One of those 241 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:14.759 players that only came out and said he doesn't believe 242 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:17.639 he can develop under Benji Marshall. But if that's the 243 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.240 direction we're going as the club, we need players that 244 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:23.960 buy into that, and if Talento Silva's not buying into that, 245 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:26.960 then I can understand why we're going in a different direction. 246 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:31.399 Would you say Appy's brought into Benji's philosophy, because I 247 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:31.919 think he has. 248 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.440 He is driving Benji's philosophy. He's been trying to drive 249 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.279 that philosophy for the last three years now, two of 250 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:45.600 those years completely by himself, and I think there's been 251 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:47.879 a bit of support brought into the club to assist 252 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:51.759 him with that moving forward. But hopefully this is the 253 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:55.080 last we see of this, and hopefully the juniors we've 254 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.840 got coming through, we've had and we are losing a 255 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:01.080 really good June. I think he's very good player. Telling 256 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.200 to Silver, we've lost Lucky Gavin. I think he's a 257 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.840 great player. But there's other juniors who have extended. Heith 258 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:11.679 Mason's extended, Macasine is extended, paul A extended last year. 259 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.039 So it's not all the players we have that are 260 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:17.279 walking out. There's players that are buying into the changes 261 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:20.000 that are having in the club, and hopefully over time 262 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:24.159 the percentage that are not buying in reduces. 263 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:28.039 Yes, But in fairness, Gary like it's like a draft 264 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:30.399 if you you know, you might kill a draft, but 265 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:32.759 if your top two players walk out, it's a disaster. 266 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:36.240 And if they're your top two juniors Galvin and d Silver. 267 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:41.360 Like I'm playing Devil's advocate here, But Shane Richardson he 268 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.840 popped his chest eighteen months ago and said, you know, 269 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.159 we were going to retain all our local juniors or 270 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:49.120 try our best, and the top three would have been 271 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:54.840 Galvin da Silver. Not that Stefano was a local junior, 272 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.480 but he was on that sort of track. Is this 273 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.519 a bit of a It just feels like the club's 274 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.960 constantly in a addition by subtraction mode. Something goes right 275 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:07.320 and then it's another step back. 276 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:11.399 Look, I really think it comes down to what we 277 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:15.279 replace them with. I'm not going to say I'm disappointed 278 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:17.399 to leave, because I think he's a fantastic football and 279 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:21.559 I'll be very disappointed to seem leave. But I had 280 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:25.320 heard before even the Lucky Gavin stuff blew up that 281 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:29.159 talent of Silver was not high on the priority list 282 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:30.919 for the club, and I don't know why that is. 283 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.799 So I'm not necessarily thinking this is just a talent 284 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.159 of Silver decision. I think part of this is a 285 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:39.200 club decision as well. 286 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.279 Nick, I've got a couple of other points on this 287 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.039 order to raise. I'm just reading through all my rants here, 288 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:49.600 But do you think there's no doubt Appy's a fantastic player. 289 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:52.360 He probably could play through to the end of twenty 290 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.480 twenty eight. I just I'm struggling to get my head around, like, 291 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.240 in general, if that was a decision, if it's a 292 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.080 senior guy, I'm not going to say he's on the slide, 293 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.919 but he's at the tire. Who's a career against a 294 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:09.279 guy who, for all you know, decent, for all we've seen, 295 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:11.799 is going to be at least a ten year first grader, 296 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:13.519 And if he turns out to be a rep player, 297 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:15.559 that's a bad decision for me. 298 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.480 Yeah, I mean there's pluses and minuses that could swing 299 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:21.000 both ways. 300 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.559 To be honest, the way I look at it. 301 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:28.360 Two and you're talking about, you know, struggles retaining junior tallent. 302 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:31.679 We've got to become a winning club before any of 303 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.080 these kids want to stick around. If we continue missing 304 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.799 the eight, finishing in the bottom two, three, last, whatever 305 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:40.000 it might be, these kids are going to be looking 306 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:44.159 for the next place to move on to. So I 307 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:47.480 asked myself, you know, what's our best chance of making 308 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.039 what is the combination that we're best chance of making 309 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.759 finals next year? And I see Appy in that nine jersey. 310 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:57.080 I don't see talent getting more footy than what Appy 311 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:01.080 would be making, you know, next season. So look, we 312 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.000 need to get into the eight. We need to be 313 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.639 winning games consistently or at least more often than we're losing. 314 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.240 Happy for me, at least over the next one to 315 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.320 two years. If we can recruit around him as well 316 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.399 in strengthen some of those weaker positions, like we've talked 317 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:16.480 about back Row and Locke, If we can get some 318 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.240 quality in those positions to give a bit more starch 319 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:24.039 to the attack, a little bit more, you know, locking 320 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.600 up that defensive line, then I think that can go 321 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.080 a long way to us being more successful on the field. 322 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:32.559 And then hopefully the next kids like young Jared Haywold, 323 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:34.000 who I haven't seen play. I've just heard a lot 324 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.720 of raps about him. Hopefully kids like that will say, 325 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:38.279 you know what, I don't want to go anywhere else. 326 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.879 And he's probably know it's been said, he's the logical 327 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.360 one to step up out of talent shadow and maybe 328 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:46.639 take over from Happy in you know, three or four 329 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.039 years time. So maybe it's him, but we've got to 330 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:49.879 start winning games. 331 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:57.240 Bottom line, Gary, my last rant of this situation, why 332 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.960 should we just let him go straight away? Like Galvin? 333 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:00.279 Like? 334 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.000 Okay, Galvin was a big circus. This is not a 335 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.079 big circus. So why do we just go? Are we 336 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.240 going to roll with Appy? And who cares? We'll play 337 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.200 Tristan Hope if haf he gets injured. Why not say, talent, 338 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:14.960 you can go wherever you like in eighteen months, mate, 339 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:17.559 but you're staying here because if we want to make 340 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:19.160 the eight and if Appy goes down, we need a 341 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.640 quality back up. Can't It's smarter people to be working 342 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.599 the salary cap. But are we just rolling over again? 343 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.880 I can't disagree with that, Edie. If we had turned 344 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:32.880 around and we've got Kyle Peers Paul for the rest 345 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:35.839 of the season, even though it's only a short term benefit, 346 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.160 I think I probably would have been okay with him leaving. 347 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.359 If he leaves and there's kind of nothing in return. 348 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:44.920 That's what happens Gary, every year. Every year. 349 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.680 Well, look, I guess we're going to find out in 350 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:50.119 the next couple of days because June thirty is like 351 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:53.559 five days away. So if he's leaving this year, then 352 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:57.400 we're going to know about it this weekend. So let's 353 00:17:57.400 --> 00:17:59.920 see what happens over the weekend and see what comes 354 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.599 out of it. And and I guess we can have 355 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:05.039 a return to this conversation on Sunday night. 356 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:07.799 What are the odds talent doesn't play a minute on 357 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:08.519 Friday night? 358 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:12.559 You wouldn't. Yeah, I mean that it was interesting Nick 359 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:16.440 Benji's comments, like, obviously he's not being vidictive, not putting 360 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.160 him on, but he didn't exactly go into depths. He 361 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:25.079 just basically said no comment way. So looks maybe you'll 362 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.640 get a farewell game of two minutes on the weekend. Gary, 363 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:29.640 thanks for the memory of talent, and off you go 364 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:31.400 and have a few premierships somewhere else. 365 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:33.039 Carry him off. 366 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:35.880 Not any good mood, Gary, as you can tell. 367 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:38.720 No, I like cranky. It makes me laugh. 368 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.720 I'm just just got to ask questions because I I 369 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.039 just I don't want to go down the path of 370 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:50.599 talking about history repeating. But Jesus Christ, if like if 371 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:53.079 they end up three quarters of the players of Moses 372 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.920 and Tedesco, it's going to be not only is it 373 00:18:55.960 --> 00:19:00.599 infuriating for the fans, but it's just gonna be a 374 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:02.440 disaster for the club if that happens. 375 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:05.200 Gay, Look, it will be a disaster of the club 376 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:10.839 if the club has a similar trajectory after they left. 377 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:13.400 If these two guys go off and they have really 378 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.400 good careers elsewhere, but the Tigers are playing consistent top 379 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.039 eight football and challenging for the top four and challenging 380 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:23.839 for premierships, that no one's really going to care. It 381 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.720 really depends on what happens after they leave, like the 382 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:33.160 replacements were got, Like bringing in a Josh Reynolds isn't 383 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:35.960 going to cut it. So it really comes down to 384 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.640 what happens after they leave. And that's if talent does leave, 385 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:44.319 it's what happens after is more important to me than 386 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:45.400 what happens in their career. 387 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:48.519 But just the last one, Gary, Like I'm trying to 388 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.200 find a positive or what would be the reasoning to 389 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:55.000 let him go before June thirty if you're not getting 390 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:58.480 a player swap, Like obviously I'm not inside competent. 391 00:19:58.519 --> 00:19:59.960 They can't be roster spots, can it. 392 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.359 I'm not. Yeah, no, I'm not a coach. But like 393 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:05.160 the only reason I can think of is that you know, 394 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.839 he's attached to Galvin and he's spreading negativity around training, 395 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:11.279 or he's not engaging in training or something like that. 396 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:15.000 But I I just can't go through another one of 397 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.200 these situations where we're just giving up one of our 398 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.039 best juniors seemingly for nothing, halfway through a season that's 399 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:24.119 meant to be still alive. According to a lot of people. 400 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:28.720 Yeah, look, if if you aren't getting anything in return 401 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:32.640