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Speaker 3: But this one in particular because I called him my
Speaker 3: brother many years ago and he still is in a way.
Speaker 3: You know, we all need our own different lives. But
Speaker 3: I think good people are your brother good women are
Speaker 3: your sisters. So yeah, Sandy Smith, Quarrier's survivor, got a
Speaker 3: lovely wife called Jane, and they've been through hell was
Speaker 3: young kids and probably now with their own personal issues
Speaker 3: and health, but they're still here. They're fighting like mad day. Sandy,
Speaker 3: you're still here. You're not going to go.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're always here and we'll always be about
Speaker 1: that one. Oh that's that's so yeah, we'll come through hell,
Speaker 1: Jane and I in my life, but I still continue
Speaker 1: my fight and continue to do that to a dying day.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we put a picture up with your Sandy
Speaker 3: because for whatever reason, your screen's not coming on. So yes, sir,
Speaker 3: you are an event recently then I believe it's a
Speaker 3: poor turnout, which is sad really, because he was remembering
Speaker 3: the children at quarriers that were in the great Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Jane and I we met when we're you know
Speaker 1: a story. We met when we were five and quarters
Speaker 1: off horse Bridge, a wear at the age of fourteen,
Speaker 1: janeuine nobody knew trying to find her. I can't find her.
Speaker 1: And forty eight years later we met up each. We
Speaker 1: met again and we fell in love again. And then
Speaker 1: we went back to Choreas and we were we went
Speaker 1: back to remember the good times. And when we went
Speaker 1: into the graveyard at Choreas, we noticed the headstones were lessing.
Speaker 1: So so we tried to find out there were a
Speaker 1: woman there now mentioned her name Alice Harper. He was
Speaker 1: a chief executive officer at a time, and oh my god,
Speaker 1: had we about them? Were had? But when we went
Speaker 1: around we met up again working round Choreas. This is
Speaker 1: when I found out Gane had been abused. She found
Speaker 1: out I had been abused. And then at that day
Speaker 1: we met two sisters and one of them that was
Speaker 1: a cottage I had been in after Matt time. She
Speaker 1: had been in the cottage. The man that abused me
Speaker 1: abuse her. So now he lives over in Australia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after we come home, we started tone about many other kids.
Speaker 1: So we started up what was that first Charriers war
Speaker 1: Warriors what I can't remember the name, but then we
Speaker 1: changed it. Now now we go within them Coriers Warriors
Speaker 1: Adult Survivors of abuse and Kia a adult adult childhood
Speaker 1: survivors of and so. And I've got a name, sorry
Speaker 1: doubt and wait, yeah, Facebook seats set up and it
Speaker 1: wasn't long, and we've got one seat. I think there's
Speaker 1: five little nearther things and people on that. But the
Speaker 1: other side there's a bit six and a half thousand,
Speaker 1: seven and a half thousand, but there's a lot of follos.
Speaker 1: We've got a mass fall in here, and I'm happy
Speaker 1: about that. But anyway, our very first battle was to
Speaker 1: get quarreus to the admat. They knew we were being
Speaker 1: abused and gear in terms an apology, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean that is someone inself we use it. Before long
Speaker 1: that we had one hundred and eighty four of us
Speaker 1: plus friends family are supporting. I mean you for we
Speaker 1: kept our link tight, we could possibly get something done.
Speaker 1: So we were bombarding quarters with m plenty of people
Speaker 1: help us bombarden them governing the justice. So just at
Speaker 1: the onset of the Scottish chade abous inquiry. Jane and
Speaker 1: I were there. I walked in and I sat down
Speaker 1: Lady's whistle and it was courious Bernardo's and Aberla. That
Speaker 1: was the thing that was getting done. And of course
Speaker 1: it starts and the retelevisions coins and I'm watching the
Speaker 1: my weird this is no There were a woman I
Speaker 1: could see her and she's too busy and she's got
Speaker 1: to be mid on front and Burch and her here
Speaker 1: men putting on makeup, lapstick and stuff. And this is
Speaker 1: lawyers for these offers. He's supposed to be taking notes
Speaker 1: and you know what's happening. Then the next thing, I
Speaker 1: seen this game. He's getting the phone out but he's
Speaker 1: playing a game. And that's when I got to bloody
Speaker 1: face and I spoke. You know, I come out bloody fast,
Speaker 1: an't you? So the short of stop looked at so
Speaker 1: of course the Jane and you go, you know I'm going.
Speaker 1: I knew we get lofty differ. So i'ment outside and
Speaker 1: for a while Jeane stayed on Sadway and the girl
Speaker 1: who you know we know another support group, uh said
Speaker 1: they were a wee vigilking on at the time outside
Speaker 1: with other orphanages here and we're all totally and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Yuh. When o' clock gun went off, did
Speaker 1: a minute silence, and this paper started playing Hiving Cathedral.
Speaker 1: And just after the paper finished that, this girl sit
Speaker 1: up on the shoulders, who goes Sandy, brilliant news. What's
Speaker 1: she goes say? You have won your battle Corners has
Speaker 1: admitted to the new children were being abused and they
Speaker 1: gave an apology through their lawyers. Oh god, and that's
Speaker 1: Jane was out with and we're hugging each other with
Speaker 1: you and thanks somebody else. And I was said in
Speaker 1: the tears were rolling in her face. And night we
Speaker 1: were on the television, you know, I was talking about this.
Speaker 1: But the next thing was we're talking about the Chada
Speaker 1: was inquiring and theod the footage and it was seeing
Speaker 1: and I standing there crying, Oh my god, I'm ne
Speaker 1: to Taylor. And after that the Choyer's waters just took off.
Speaker 4: My master.
Speaker 1: So many we don't know, but okay, I brought it
Speaker 1: for I'm brown us big for everybody. It does, and
Speaker 1: they've got that for us. Then the next thing was
Speaker 1: the kids headstones. The woman that was in Charles Alice Harper,
Speaker 1: the chief executive officer. Yay, when we may, Yes, we
Speaker 1: will get the headstones cooked back. Then the next thing,
Speaker 1: at the next meeting. No, there were never any children
Speaker 1: headstones in there. We goes, yes, where she goes, well,
Speaker 1: i'm telling you they were, I goes, I'm telling I'm
Speaker 1: telling you the were. So she started and says waving
Speaker 1: her hands on and she's going, come on, bring me proof,
Speaker 1: bring me proof, show me proof, get me proof. She
Speaker 1: was in. Anybody who's going to believe off and children, Well,
Speaker 1: that just that was light and refused to meet. How
Speaker 1: dare you say that to us? So she told us
Speaker 1: got out my office. So we were away out and
Speaker 1: I went, you bet because I'm going to So it
Speaker 1: took us a long way. You put it away, you know,
Speaker 1: and we're veryan there giving up. We're never we're never
Speaker 1: going to get this proof. We're never going to get it.
Speaker 1: And it was we're down at Jane's sister's one Sunday
Speaker 1: for a mule and the subject come up and I
Speaker 1: mentioned about us, So Jane's sister Wilma, she goes to shoes,
Speaker 1: I can give you proof. How's that? She goes I've
Speaker 1: got a video of course, because it is the way back.
Speaker 1: She goes. It shows you know, Jane and herself and
Speaker 1: the brother and along with myself. You know. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I got it. She was it shoes the graveyard, so
Speaker 1: we got that sure enough. At showed the graveyard with
Speaker 1: these children that there are three three hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: eight children laid the rest and there they hid it
Speaker 1: down at three hundred and thirty five. That's in some
Speaker 1: articles when you read about this, I'll come up three hundred,
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty five a children, but they were
Speaker 1: actually three hundred and thirty eight. As we done. We've
Speaker 1: done a sadly, but we found out and we had
Speaker 1: people coming forward, oh marks and was buried in their bars,
Speaker 1: so we knew there were extra children. We got over
Speaker 1: their name. We went the quarters with that and again
Speaker 1: Nasalas Harper, we showed her a video and I swear
Speaker 1: to got dangerous. My wentness. She goes, how dadies bring
Speaker 1: that in here. That's doctor, that's not our graveyard. I goes,
Speaker 1: We'll watch there's what your corners. Yes, it's doctor. Get out,
Speaker 1: get out your orphaned scum. And that's saying your orphans
Speaker 1: come office, so I was so I had no other option.
Speaker 1: After that, I went to the press and that's when
Speaker 1: it started. Really, Oh my god, that's went big. The
Speaker 1: next thing was high Sandy. It was an email, High Sandy,
Speaker 1: I hope you're feeling well, you and Jane, and it's
Speaker 1: love It was lovely to meet you, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: which was a lie that she knew that. She goes,
Speaker 1: say what it is is to see if you could
Speaker 1: stop getting people to email us. We can't. Well, internets
Speaker 1: came down with an emails that was coming in here.
Speaker 1: This is true, So I went I told her, he
Speaker 1: goes no, because I'm not a stop because you've brought
Speaker 1: us on yourself, and goes and can you not remember
Speaker 1: we're often scum. Oh, I'm sorry and everything else. So
Speaker 1: I don't an email, so I get I'm not seeing
Speaker 1: the newspaper or who. But this kuy done is amazing
Speaker 1: and averraha, and we were showing it. There's a proof.
Speaker 1: We've got all the proof of showing them. And of
Speaker 1: course it was getting out and this is what they've said,
Speaker 1: and so did bring warriors down, drastically brought them down.
Speaker 1: So eventially, the great Yes they would. So they invited
Speaker 1: Jane up and we hade to cut the first sword,
Speaker 1: so that first putting on headstone sort of thing. So
Speaker 1: we've done that took us five years, just over five
Speaker 1: years from my start. My fight too ended and I
Speaker 1: was up and done the at the time. And it
Speaker 1: was my mate Alan, who you met and born, and
Speaker 1: he said, he goes and get brow news for the
Speaker 1: watch for he goes, you won your battle? You did?
Speaker 1: He goes the warriors, she goes, He goes, there's a
Speaker 1: last headstone. And what they've done to save money. Instead
Speaker 1: of putting up three hundred and thirty eight little headstones,
Speaker 1: they put up one hundred and fifty five headstones. Some
Speaker 1: of the headstones has got one, two and three names
Speaker 1: on them. Well, we were angry at that, but then
Speaker 1: we started getting messages and fake descendants of these people
Speaker 1: from Canada, Australia all over the world. The messages we've
Speaker 1: been getting sent and Eve today has been unreal about
Speaker 1: getting us done. I met up were women from Canada
Speaker 1: called Lauria of Cheskey and this was the British Home Children,
Speaker 1: which is another thing. There were way back from eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds up to the nineteen seventies. They were umpteen thousands.
Speaker 1: Estimated over one hundred and fifty thousand British children were
Speaker 1: sent to these far offshoores. If you've never heard the handy,
Speaker 1: just go on to YouTube and taypin British Home Children Canada.
Speaker 1: This is what led me a Laurie of chest Gate.
Speaker 1: Next year of my health, I'm going over and I
Speaker 1: want to meet Lauri. I want to see where the
Speaker 1: children were tainting the Front warriers because they were a
Speaker 1: lower anyway, this got be involved with the British Home
Speaker 1: Children and oh my god, there were one kid went
Speaker 1: amussing and they started searching for us. Poor kid, and
Speaker 1: eventually they got his body. He was in a coffin.
Speaker 1: Two us too small from them. His feet and his
Speaker 1: hands were burnt off with frostbite. The patchfork were used
Speaker 1: for the here. Now there were that many stabs for
Speaker 1: us patchfork we could not carry the hold. I was
Speaker 1: gay had been crazy. He bent us pure tails buddying
Speaker 1: us coffin. It was too we and through the kids
Speaker 1: coughing when Aku's dumb wedding. That's just one of the
Speaker 1: nice stories that are a lot more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've just done.
Speaker 3: I'll I'll just comment quickly about the British Home Children
Speaker 3: because it's nice to explain that a little bit, just
Speaker 3: a little brief paragraph. British Home Children were proximate, so
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty thousand children. They were sent from
Speaker 3: the UK to the Commonwealth countries, particularly Canada, Australia and
Speaker 3: South Africa between.
Speaker 4: It started to believe that not.
Speaker 3: The eighteen sixties to the late nineties, the seventies serving
Speaker 3: as cheap farm labor domestic workers, many were orphans from
Speaker 3: poor families, separated from their parents without their consent and
Speaker 3: often experienced harsh working conditions and mistreatment. And aboose the
Speaker 3: scheme which came to resolve poverty and overgrounded in the
Speaker 3: UK and provide labor for dominions what that means. And
Speaker 3: they've still not issued a formal apology apparently to Google.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's as well as honest mentioned.
Speaker 1: Everybody's hed the Bernardos, but Bernardo he was actually charter
Speaker 1: had he doctor Bernardo had eaten eat charges against them
Speaker 1: for abducting children and sending them against parents, war and
Speaker 1: authority to Canada. They don't tell you us back then,
Speaker 1: every child away back eighteen hundred that was sent here.
Speaker 1: They received one hundred pound for plus ten shillings like
Speaker 1: fifty pence in today's money every year for their children.
Speaker 1: So it was money, money, money, money making. Doctor Bernardo's
Speaker 1: was also suspected to be Jack the rappa. Can you'll
Speaker 1: see my water? True? Of course, I've got all the proof.
Speaker 1: I can back over and up. I kind of say
Speaker 1: it in and because if anybody wants to go ahead
Speaker 1: and christ charities, I can showing them the paper. I've
Speaker 1: got it all starts one hundreds of it in a
Speaker 1: way back they say that they were it was over
Speaker 1: one hundred. The true count is over one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty thousand children into these countries, right. They were sold
Speaker 1: for child slaves. That's what they were sent here for.
Speaker 1: It was just money, money and money. Now coming on
Speaker 1: a bit further. After I met Jane blah blah blah
Speaker 1: I was talking about, I was taken into hospital where
Speaker 1: I almost died as well. I was taken in with
Speaker 1: double pneumonia and I COVID. Then the discovered my lungs,
Speaker 1: my lungs, my lover, and my kidneys are I'm in
Speaker 1: my way here, there's no kid in here. So at
Speaker 1: the end of this month. My heart beat us up down,
Speaker 1: I keep passing it and stuff. So what they're doing
Speaker 1: is they're taking me in and I'm going to stop
Speaker 1: my heart. I'm going to kill me, and then they're
Speaker 1: going to bring me back to life, you know, put
Speaker 1: an electric cump through my buying bring and actually bring
Speaker 1: everything back to normal, which I'm not looking forward to,
Speaker 1: but I know what sort of go for it. But
Speaker 1: there were other things, and I found that strange because
Speaker 1: Jane was bother we're back, and then we had a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of girls, you know, adult women now
Speaker 1: my back. Sure, that's sort of that sort blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: The boys, oh ma, my love, my kidney's my heart
Speaker 1: and other parts there were mm hmm. This is weird.
Speaker 1: Two rosso from the same Now we do remember every
Speaker 1: single one years, remember when when Cory has been taken
Speaker 1: to the hospital, the Elies Hospital in there from school.
Speaker 1: We were marched up to the hospital, were disturbed into
Speaker 1: our pants and vest. We were outside there where were
Speaker 1: begun for the X ray and we're injections and there
Speaker 1: are two nurses, one each side, and we really put
Speaker 1: our hand in and grabout suitets. I remember one. A
Speaker 1: lot of times it was a lack of comfort suites,
Speaker 1: and we'd be putting in, we'd beholding, we'rete vest out,
Speaker 1: put more and put more. God even were the living
Speaker 1: because we never watched sets and choreas and other stories.
Speaker 1: I can tell about that and and but we know
Speaker 1: that we were injected. So this got me owing what's
Speaker 1: in our systems now? I remember being strapped to a bed.
Speaker 1: I got me my emotional here. I'm sorry for But
Speaker 1: there's a guy who was my best mating Chorreos and
Speaker 1: we lost contact. We met up again that Jane and
Speaker 1: I a few years ago. Oh, Jane, up to the
Speaker 1: things we see. Stuart's his name. I'll don't give you say,
Speaker 1: but I can see what I want to Stewart, and
Speaker 1: I've got his permersion us, don't it. But when I
Speaker 1: was in there, I remember being strapped to a spade.
Speaker 1: There were two guys and white coats. There were a
Speaker 1: big machine and they were these wires coming off. They
Speaker 1: were on my body and I had wires for as
Speaker 1: I was on my kid, on my test coas on
Speaker 1: my penis, and I remember them and I remember feeling
Speaker 1: an electric cunt down below. Oh that was so and
Speaker 1: they kept turning up. I can remember screaming, but I
Speaker 1: passed out. This is his name once place. This was
Speaker 1: a lot of times. There's other guys that's happened as well.
Speaker 1: Stuart was one of them. When it came we get married,
Speaker 1: start a family, we couldn't. I went for tests. It
Speaker 1: was me and it was through what Correa has done. Well.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the quarriers. It was that this was caused
Speaker 1: by the Ministry Offense. Now I'm fighting a health, a
Speaker 1: casey and the Ikard knowing I'm calling out the Ministry
Speaker 1: of Defense and I'm also calling out the Westminster government
Speaker 1: at that time they knew what they were doing. Theirs.
Speaker 1: I've got the proof of got it here in front
Speaker 1: of me. We were used in experiments for the Cold
Speaker 1: War to see how the chemicals injected him is would react. Also,
Speaker 1: if you google Lennox Castle Hospital child experiments, you will
Speaker 1: see that the u Key government are guilty as charged.
Speaker 1: And I'm calling them out right now, I'm.
Speaker 4: Calling them Sandy. I've gone now.
Speaker 3: It says that basically orphans were used in trials of vaccines.
Speaker 3: It's the hundreds of orphans. Some went behind the capped
Speaker 3: children and children in care were used in secret experiments
Speaker 3: to test vaccine drugs in the nineteen fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3: Of course it's not linked definitely to just fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3: I mean other articles this has.
Speaker 1: Been going on. It was all during the Cold War year.
Speaker 1: This is when it was. If you go on and
Speaker 1: you tap in Leno's Castle Hospital child abuse and it
Speaker 1: this is unreal and it tells you about the children
Speaker 1: were they used the experiments for the Cold War to
Speaker 1: see how things was Alsookers want to talk about the
Speaker 1: planes that was flowing down the east coast of Scotland
Speaker 1: into England dropping chemicals and the people now in the
Speaker 1: east coast of Scotland, I'll be back in the seventies
Speaker 1: there have kids been born with no arms, no legs, destroyed,
Speaker 1: many many people were dying of cancer and this is
Speaker 1: what they were doing. They would dropped me as chemicals
Speaker 1: to see how he did be dry. It's doing there.
Speaker 1: It's a proof now. I started. When I was getting
Speaker 1: the proof, I went to my MP at the time
Speaker 1: and I'll name them Gavin Ewlens, I Gavin Euleans from
Speaker 1: my area and I went with Jane and I put
Speaker 1: my case forward and they called me a liar. How
Speaker 1: day come inted my office and say things like nothing happened.
Speaker 1: He goes you better, you better have proofty back up,
Speaker 1: so my words I have. He goes, well, can you
Speaker 1: show me proof? So I went and I pulled out
Speaker 1: the letter and I've got it to you in front
Speaker 1: of this. Now this is this is for the National
Speaker 1: Health Service, Greater Glasgow and Clyde Legal Aspects Team, second
Speaker 1: floor Admin Building, Naval Royal Hospital Campus, one oh five
Speaker 1: to five, great Western Mode, Glasgow. Blah blah, Alexander Smith,
Speaker 1: my address blah blah blah. Now this letter was dated
Speaker 1: on the sixteenth to the second. This was a way
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty three. I get this letter, Dear
Speaker 1: mister Smith, resubject access request under the General Data Protection
Speaker 1: HAIR Regulation. Thank you, thank you for your inquiry regarding
Speaker 1: access to your health hey records held by the National
Speaker 1: Health saff it's Greater Glasgow and Clyde. I regret to
Speaker 1: inform you that the records you have requested have been
Speaker 1: destroyed in line with the Scottish Government guidance and retention
Speaker 1: period for health records. Now, I had put my uf
Speaker 1: every and we know they come out. We're rules to
Speaker 1: cover their asses because just look, the Scottish child abuse
Speaker 1: has went into millions and millions of pounds. This could
Speaker 1: wipe up governments. What I've got in my hand now,
Speaker 1: I showed Gavin Ewlean's that later and he read it
Speaker 1: and he went, I'm keeping that. So I drabbed out
Speaker 1: his hand. I went, no, that's mine, and he went,
Speaker 1: you better give me that. And that's Jane, there's my master.
Speaker 1: He goes, you better give me that. A he goes, well,
Speaker 1: I want a copy. I gave my copy, he told us.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'll be back. He goes, you better, I'll
Speaker 1: be back in touch with you. He goes by the
Speaker 1: end of the week. Now, as I stated, this letter
Speaker 1: was dated and the sixteenth through the second twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know how many days and then and
Speaker 1: years and his week that was in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: We are still waiting and I'm getting back to this.
Speaker 1: He resigned. He resigned because it was call. It's no
Speaker 1: other option to resign, so went over It's four but
Speaker 1: the government will still not respond. Governs are known as
Speaker 1: answer why you know, because you kind of just destroy
Speaker 1: some of these medical records. And medical records are supposed
Speaker 1: to steal whats to ten years after our death. So
Speaker 1: why is it with children who are in kia oh
Speaker 1: Rogers in Scotland over the UK Scotland Anger Line whales.
Speaker 1: Why did you destroy.
Speaker 4: Medical records. I'll come to that in a minute. Medical records.
Speaker 3: But basically the Lenoxtown hospital that you're talking about is
Speaker 3: on screen now. It was written by Ben Borland and children,
Speaker 3: well adults now but children of the past came forward
Speaker 3: to the inquiry to mention this, and at the end
Speaker 3: then says this will probably remain, you know, hidden for
Speaker 3: years to come and you're in medical records. We had
Speaker 3: the same problem. But Joanne, as you know, she's now,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I've forgotten my age fifty seven probably
Speaker 3: she was so she was in obviously Nazareth House in
Speaker 3: the early seventies and she managed to get records.
Speaker 4: Up until the age of one. And this was only
Speaker 4: like three years ago. But guess what.
Speaker 3: You can you got You can't make it up and
Speaker 3: you probably you probably could guess if I wasn't putting
Speaker 3: you on the spot. The records at the time when
Speaker 3: she was sexual abused and care that particular period was gone,
Speaker 3: but the rest of the notes from age one was
Speaker 3: available and we've got copies of them.
Speaker 1: Well what the you about.
Speaker 3: On the subject access? You are allowing records back to zero?
Speaker 1: I find through too much here because there's a big
Speaker 1: case can on. That's all I can say in all chemedia.
Speaker 1: But we are have got the proof couriers did and
Speaker 1: was involved in in a have you got with you
Speaker 1: and you send them? Well, when Jane was a child,
Speaker 1: right put up and I've got it on it came
Speaker 1: through and it shouldn't. These are part of a medical
Speaker 1: records student. I went here and they're wondering how the
Speaker 1: hell did Jane get these? Bit they were said through
Speaker 1: and it states that this family they were looking for
Speaker 1: a young girl. But this young girl had to be
Speaker 1: between the ages of five and seven, must must and
Speaker 1: mistate must have blown. There must be between the ages
Speaker 1: of five and seven. All right, So if you be
Speaker 1: go to your north and to take a child at
Speaker 1: even the care, you'd be happy any Why ask for
Speaker 1: a pacific take that's design of children. But these people
Speaker 1: had to pay money to take Jane. You know the
Speaker 1: they pay money to take Jane out. So why did
Speaker 1: they pay money to take a child out? You know,
Speaker 1: Jane remembers as well, been sent to places. She wakes
Speaker 1: up many, many and eight driven about a fourth poster bench.
Speaker 1: She's told us this post poster bed. He still sees
Speaker 1: us farm in the what do you go, Ystuner Bridge
Speaker 1: of Alan, Jane still Bridge of Allan. It is still
Speaker 1: Jane still sees us farm O they have been taken here.
Speaker 1: She still wakes up this four poster bed. Whatever happ
Speaker 1: we don't know. She is screaming the place down, screaming
Speaker 1: it down. We've also got the proof and Jane went
Speaker 1: in the corners orphan homes. The only thing Jane had
Speaker 1: was her which she had two web fingers, nothing more,
Speaker 1: nothing less. Now you've seen the stake corners and their
Speaker 1: fingers out hey, and you've seen that many people has
Speaker 1: Why did they do that? No one can give an
Speaker 1: answer and there's no records to say why. All we
Speaker 1: know was they were trying to make Jane a perfect
Speaker 1: child so that she could visit people. So we did
Speaker 1: this a perfect child to visit people? Mean because as
Speaker 1: to be pimped out to make money. We know she
Speaker 1: was do you know what she was? But the truth
Speaker 1: that's all going on. Like everything else, there's many many
Speaker 1: adults still find to try and get their records from quarriers.
Speaker 1: Many children are still trying to prove they were an
Speaker 1: orphanages the chorus had lost all my records and there
Speaker 1: were a hunter's group up here. Had I followed one
Speaker 1: of my friends and they tried to make out I
Speaker 1: was a dirty lion, scum and everything else. I was
Speaker 1: only after money. I remember the first time I met you,
Speaker 1: and you can go on the stage, never forget that.
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough because you were my turning
Speaker 1: point to who I am today and I could known
Speaker 1: here and don't me not in my heart it takes
Speaker 1: me to follow it. That's in the past. Back together,
Speaker 1: we were so many days that was amazing. Someone stuck
Speaker 1: with me, stuck with me for the rest of my leave.
Speaker 1: But can't you get up sat and stuff? You know,
Speaker 1: really upset. I still wake up at nights and it
Speaker 1: as well, you know, till we're screaming. It never goes away.
Speaker 3: But I know that personally, you didn't even have to
Speaker 3: tell me that. And I know because obviously I'm I'm
Speaker 3: married to a survivor.
Speaker 1: Oh well it's true, you know, Well a Jens get me.
Speaker 1: You know, this is where I'm a lucky You know,
Speaker 1: I wrote a poem code and they say I'm one
Speaker 1: of the lucky ones. And if he is only tell
Speaker 1: the abuse. You know, I had a mother and father
Speaker 1: that I couldn't tell, my mom and dad. My mother
Speaker 1: and father went to the grave. My sister, my brothers
Speaker 1: all went to the grave. You some was up, but
Speaker 1: they didn't know. The only person that knew what was
Speaker 1: help with me was my sister Isabelle, because she was
Speaker 1: I don't talk enough about that and I would never
Speaker 1: but she was abused in there as a child, and
Speaker 1: we knew each other, but they never spoke about it,
Speaker 1: but we knew each other. Starsky said secrets. And it
Speaker 1: was my sister isabel that helped me more than anybody.
Speaker 1: When I was sixteen, I left the family home. I
Speaker 1: went to stay with her. I left. Go Okay, what
Speaker 1: I couldn't you read? I couldn't he read. I was
Speaker 1: totally useless. My first job was in the leather working
Speaker 1: bridge were Then I went to a farm and this
Speaker 1: is all within a year. Then I had to become
Speaker 1: a joint I was forced in, and that was in
Speaker 1: kil my home, and this farming killed my coh my god.
Speaker 1: If it was today, I'd have been mega rich. I
Speaker 1: could have sued them for the things you had. A
Speaker 1: time sheep to fell in about their work, and I
Speaker 1: the spell, as I said, I tried defai the bat,
Speaker 1: and the guy who owned the place would come in
Speaker 1: with us time sheet who was in the ney for
Speaker 1: but of paper? And then we go, can were mine?
Speaker 1: Commure a minute? Came here? Can anybody? Can anyone who
Speaker 1: use tell me what Mongo's rotten written in here with
Speaker 1: the village idiot? That mongol over there is written and
Speaker 1: it would all be fucking laughing it that's just supposed
Speaker 1: to be And what's that supposed to be? By a
Speaker 1: heart rather than ask why it's better to run somebody?
Speaker 1: And even today people run people down to the lowest
Speaker 1: because that makes him feel better than you. Still happens
Speaker 1: and it will continue to happen. But that's carried with me.
Speaker 1: And then at that time he started learn more about say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you learn you know what heartened tea and the orphanages.
Speaker 1: It's been far from wrong. Then you hear the rumors
Speaker 1: that comes up with us a stigma like, oh, if
Speaker 1: you were abused as a chill you go on, I
Speaker 1: need to abuse there. And that's just when suicide commented me, Well,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be as a child, I'll not
Speaker 1: be here to see. So I start. I'ming down the road.
Speaker 1: I try to end my life. I've done that many times,
Speaker 1: many time. In two thousand and eleven, I took a
Speaker 1: many stroke. I took another one, and October two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, I took a many stroke. In November of
Speaker 1: that year, I took another one. The first week in January,
Speaker 1: I went back to my work and I took a
Speaker 1: heart attack and I was on for a few weeks.
Speaker 1: I come out and I got my wife cheeking known
Speaker 1: as so was just going and I took an overdose
Speaker 1: of polls and oh, I don't know men, and I
Speaker 1: took got wake. I was seen in the village he
Speaker 1: render bout and I was walking out in from the
Speaker 1: cars and stuff. It was that I don't mind, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and some of the head phoned up, which
Speaker 1: I thought was my son, which is a nat story
Speaker 1: for a rainy day, you know, But about that hearted
Speaker 1: bike chased but anyway, they had phoned up a guy
Speaker 1: I thought was my son, and they told him about me.
Speaker 1: I was in the village like a, don't man go
Speaker 1: and get me, and I to me goes he can
Speaker 1: go in the fy seal. He's not in me. He's
Speaker 1: not my father. I don't know why folks are saying that,
Speaker 1: but there were things that happened. I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about my book because I'll learn to read and
Speaker 1: write through my sister Isabel. She helped me so much,
Speaker 1: so so so, so, so so so much, and through
Speaker 1: the time, I decided that it's time to come out right.
Speaker 1: So I wrote my book and I named it The
Speaker 1: Hidden Secrets of the Warrior Behind the Stone Walls. The
Speaker 1: money I don't want. I use it to help causes
Speaker 1: that I believe. And the graveyard Choriers. We've gotten tubs
Speaker 1: h the embankment and the place I filled it with daffodils,
Speaker 1: O money that I got off the book and stuff
Speaker 1: that's as you go into the graveyard choriers are two
Speaker 1: tubs and the first two is for rys Bona who
Speaker 1: was murdered in Glasgow farmer very good friends and for
Speaker 1: us and the other one it's for Darren Savory nineteen.
Speaker 1: That was James Soon and he committed throuicide. And we'll
Speaker 1: got that because we knew both guys love children. And
Speaker 1: what better I respect, could be paid to the guys
Speaker 1: than having them at the gates then and to be
Speaker 1: the gardens of the children in there. Then there's another
Speaker 1: tub that's for my brothers had died and stuff. Then
Speaker 1: there's another two tubs, once for the children, said to Canada.
Speaker 1: The other ones for the kids, said Tostailia. And that's
Speaker 1: what one it's mainly used for the agate. There were
Speaker 1: one of our Chorea's sisters. It was our daughter. It
Speaker 1: was a granddaughter telling a life. She had a child
Speaker 1: and a child died and the mother had the money,
Speaker 1: so that paid for the funeral, paid for the headstone.
Speaker 1: Everyone else that goes we up. That's what I use
Speaker 1: my money for. Here, help help. I don't want money.
Speaker 1: I don't we need money to get buy Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm happy with what I've got. And I remember when
Speaker 1: I met you. He turned and goes to one day
Speaker 1: and he goes, if you were offered a molli and
Speaker 1: pound right now and walk away through us, would you
Speaker 1: do it? And I give you my word, and you
Speaker 1: got my word. I would never do that, and I
Speaker 1: would never would. Money can never ever ever replace what
Speaker 1: we went through. A cure us, I cannot. The only
Speaker 1: person that can cure us is our sales. But to
Speaker 1: cure ourselves we died. We really need good people beside us.
Speaker 1: You've got a good women beside you. I've got a
Speaker 1: good woman beside me. He's got a good man beside her.
Speaker 1: So we can go on and progress of our lives
Speaker 1: and make our lives what we want to be. We
Speaker 1: can never go back and change the past. That's done.
Speaker 1: It's happened. We can learn from it and make sure
Speaker 1: no child I'll ever go through that.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: It's getting governments to latins because you don't want to
Speaker 1: because they're all corrupt, they're all involved in it, and
Speaker 1: there's no doubts in that. You can go right into
Speaker 1: royalty if you want back. Well. I was even threatened
Speaker 1: gans here, as my witness been Nicholas started because I
Speaker 1: spoke out about her and child abuse and how the
Speaker 1: holy Great case and stuff, you know what I'm going
Speaker 1: about there, And Nicola didn't like me the way I
Speaker 1: was going on about it, so she put the men
Speaker 1: in me at one time, and I was warned to
Speaker 1: watch my back because if I keep talking what happened
Speaker 1: to my good mate Willie McCree me. And if you're
Speaker 1: going to will in my Crey case, he was murdered
Speaker 1: because he was going to talk about child abuse. So
Speaker 1: this is the way we are treated. When we want
Speaker 1: to speak out, we're silenced. I remember one woman that
Speaker 1: we both knew at one time. She down south and
Speaker 1: you went mate up and she took you out in
Speaker 1: your car and she was telling you as Carol meets
Speaker 1: here and I'll leave there and blah blah, what happened
Speaker 1: to her? There's been many. There's a woman right now
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find out. No milk Keley, sorry Milliam,
Speaker 1: but this woman mel Kelly, and this woman, I mean
Speaker 1: she was at best, and I mean she was a
Speaker 1: cream of the cream when they come down. She was
Speaker 1: in over. She lived in Australia one time and it
Speaker 1: was the time all these coal mins were going in
Speaker 1: fire mysterious or she found that she never wake the
Speaker 1: government out, so she had to get out of there quick.
Speaker 1: So she come over to Arving and their sires they
Speaker 1: stayed there. Can you exact or hok, we could go
Speaker 1: into choreous and take over and oh everybody's records and
Speaker 1: try and discover what the hell happened. And there were
Speaker 1: other things, and that's always made public at one time.
Speaker 1: And the next thing, mel Kelly when missing her husband.
Speaker 1: He was housebout, he could not get out. He went
Speaker 1: missing as well. Have two daughters put up a thing
Speaker 1: in Facebook about their mother and their father been messing.
Speaker 1: They didn't know where they were. This is about a
Speaker 1: week later and one of the dogs come up, Oh, hi, guys,
Speaker 1: just to let you know, my mother's been found safe
Speaker 1: and wal they're okay, so don't worry. The next thing,
Speaker 1: these Facebook sites were taken down. Why we don't know
Speaker 1: the two girls. We never heard from them again, we
Speaker 1: don't know where they are. No one knows where these
Speaker 1: people are, so what the hell has happened to them?
Speaker 1: And as I say, that woman who I was talking about,
Speaker 1: she was telling me she went massing. There's been so
Speaker 1: many people when we speak, were mysteriously go massing. That's
Speaker 1: how when I put her out, I state, that's a
Speaker 1: fact massing. You know who you blame because I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do it. And stupid, yes, I did treat
Speaker 1: to comment suicide. I will never do that again because
Speaker 1: I see Jane the way she is, because your son
Speaker 1: doing that, I vow and I swear I would never
Speaker 1: ever do that again. But this is what heart was
Speaker 1: when we try to be the brave warriors and go
Speaker 1: ahead and challenge governments and stuff they don't like because
Speaker 1: they despise as been that you feared it yourself, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember one guy one time and it
Speaker 1: was the very first time I ever spoke out. The
Speaker 1: guy for you doing there that was helping her young
Speaker 1: girl faith Aberdd. You probably know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: That guy was in hospital only said he died of cancer.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. That's my view. I don't believe
Speaker 1: he died. That man was a Jane Christ was. In
Speaker 1: the years of I went off. One offs are hardly
Speaker 1: finding in your life and there's not any people are
Speaker 1: no longer in your life. That's when you realize, well,
Speaker 1: just how much of myself? And that's true? That's true.
Speaker 1: I mean that guy I remember the first time I
Speaker 1: spoke out, I was talking to you. And how long
Speaker 1: he goes? That's and that goes if you get nervous.
Speaker 1: Just look at me and he's governess his thumbs up
Speaker 1: and ever and then Jane spoke out he did the same, ay,
Speaker 1: but by bad things happened to us? It does there's
Speaker 1: no apps, the corruption and government to cover the run
Speaker 1: backs that it is shocking, absolutely disgusting. People go, would
Speaker 1: do you think your lover get full justice? I sees
Speaker 1: the answer, oh child Wi's company and end No, there's
Speaker 1: too much money involved in us, too much money involved.
Speaker 1: I took Gane up to Glasgow one day, a place
Speaker 1: called govern How well known. From there we went down
Speaker 1: to what was known as the Fourth Corners. When we
Speaker 1: went to govern How, I stopped before we went around
Speaker 1: and goes to just watch tell me the most thing
Speaker 1: you see? I dorove around once and I stopped. I
Speaker 1: goes to Jane goes, what did you notice? He was
Speaker 1: not a lot of the same shock for it shocks
Speaker 1: so also noticed a lot of elderly Me and my
Speaker 1: young children and people run a bit. They From there
Speaker 1: we went down to which known as the four Corners
Speaker 1: in Glasgow underneath the Central Bridge. But when the second time,
Speaker 1: when we drove round, Hey, govern Howe Ganser is my
Speaker 1: witness that we say these are pens. God the carolt
Speaker 1: up with them. They were shining. I'm trying to have
Speaker 1: our eyes and stuff. So Jane get panicked and we left.
Speaker 1: When that's when we're don the four Corners and I
Speaker 1: swee O jeanses in my witness. I want to oh.
Speaker 1: But when we went down there and I'm making the
Speaker 1: shop mcdonnalds at the four Corners in Glasgow, there were
Speaker 1: guys standing the eighth door. There were kids as young
Speaker 1: as seven. Gun. We could see them handing over money
Speaker 1: in community with view back away bood we've seen that.
Speaker 1: We walked further up, we're seeing these black guys. The kids.
Speaker 1: They were a beautiful girl. She was a bit seven,
Speaker 1: she's about seven and eight and she was screaming, screaming help.
Speaker 1: Heh well, well and I swear and the mayor I
Speaker 1: wrote in hell if I tell you a lie. We
Speaker 1: seen that girl getting put into Mercedes. I've got the
Speaker 1: registration number. I reported that to Police Scotland. Police Scotland
Speaker 1: because her arms all the time that was there work
Speaker 1: to me and I swear that's true arms and nothing
Speaker 1: was ever done. Wow that I had the prief This
Speaker 1: is a very serious allegation Joe and forty is a
Speaker 1: Beast of the Belt was very free with Jimmy Savo.
Speaker 1: There were two boys taking from correos or from homes
Speaker 1: to an unknown address. One of them was murdered. I
Speaker 1: had a video with this guy on FELLA talking about that,
Speaker 1: breaking his heart. That he was given a knife by
Speaker 1: Savo and don't disturb the guy and he was going
Speaker 1: to get it and they would collect people knowing chorus
Speaker 1: what he was doing. The guy did took the knife,
Speaker 1: but the guy was dead because Savo had his hands
Speaker 1: around the guy. The guy knows now he goes, but
Speaker 1: he goes Savo had his hands on this guy's neck ratement.
Speaker 1: He goes. He could hear us kid grasping, trying to
Speaker 1: throw breath into him. That baslard sony from my language.
Speaker 1: But SA sorry that Savo murdered this guy, that Beast
Speaker 1: of the Belt to I knew about that. I gave
Speaker 1: that the only video proof I had to push Scotland
Speaker 1: and that went mysing and then the bloody keep to
Speaker 1: tell me, no, he never covers anything, And that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true, Gene. There's my witness that I gave them.
Speaker 1: There were other people seeing that video. I'll let them
Speaker 1: see it. They know my words are true. But any
Speaker 1: time when it comes into things like us, it's all
Speaker 1: covered up, completely covered up. The Yeah, how can we
Speaker 1: ever got over what happened? Is where the corruption is
Speaker 1: going on in our motherland? I'll he I am.
Speaker 2: The now.
Speaker 1: When I see young kids, I feel sorry I broke.
Speaker 1: You wonder if their links are going to be destroyed.
Speaker 1: You wonder what light life's going to be for them
Speaker 1: later on? Is their children going to be raked abused?
Speaker 1: You don't know. I was married to Satan's daughter for
Speaker 1: thirty eight years. I thought I had a son. I
Speaker 1: honestly thought I had a son. He wrote and told
Speaker 1: me that I've noticed father by Christal Hawks, but the
Speaker 1: same guy. I'll tell you a full stories some other time,
Speaker 1: but he did me so long. When I was in hospital,
Speaker 1: he wrote me blind to cover an office, told many
Speaker 1: lies about us, but that Hawks. I've got two grandkids.
Speaker 1: I've never seen my grandson. He's saying he'll be fifteen now,
Speaker 1: he'll be fifteen from two seasons and two seasions, and
Speaker 1: twelve he was two years he was two. That was
Speaker 1: the last time I seen I don't but he went on,
Speaker 1: have I and well a daughter, so granddaughter, I think,
Speaker 1: But that's Keny I thought was my son who told
Speaker 1: me no, I'm not. I knew his mother was cheating
Speaker 1: on it. So I don't know whether it was done
Speaker 1: over rage of whether his words true, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But he went on to tell people that his father
Speaker 1: was dead. But he does use my name when he
Speaker 1: was going for jobs because where I lived and where
Speaker 1: I worked, where I was brought up as a place
Speaker 1: and kill McCom called Glenmore House. There's a big, massive
Speaker 1: estate and kill McCombe. I lived in the cottage while
Speaker 1: my father lived there first, and he worked there for
Speaker 1: a number of years. But when the present owners bought over,
Speaker 1: I was at the game. Well they had two doesn't
Speaker 1: a hard workingness. But he went back to this house
Speaker 1: and he pressed the bell and he says to the
Speaker 1: women in the house, he goes, hi them blah blah
Speaker 1: and names. He goes. He say, I hear you're looking
Speaker 1: for a gardener. He goes, well, you'll not get any
Speaker 1: better than me. He goes, I'm fully qualified, which it was.
Speaker 1: He goes, hey, and by my grandfather worked here and
Speaker 1: then after my grandfather's death. He goes, my father took
Speaker 1: over then after the death and my father I took over.
Speaker 1: He's got a website up and running advertising his business.
Speaker 1: And he states that, hey, this house called Glenn MoU
Speaker 1: has said the same family working there for over forty years,
Speaker 1: there's been three new owners. I three families wond that's
Speaker 1: a lie. They weren't. There were four families owned hoes.
Speaker 1: So I'll be back my bay. If he hears us,
Speaker 1: you'll correct that one. He told that woman as well
Speaker 1: that I was dead. Then I went when I wrote
Speaker 1: my first book there see you've go up. When I
Speaker 1: wrote that, I went back to get photographs. And when
Speaker 1: I went and I told him, who was this woman
Speaker 1: in the bloody shop? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: She was?
Speaker 1: Are you such and such a muggy's name? Oh my god.
Speaker 1: He came here and told me you were dead.
Speaker 4: She was.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that he's never been back to that
Speaker 1: who since because he found out that I had been there,
Speaker 1: and he's never went back. He can't face a woman
Speaker 1: face to face because he's lies, you know. But I
Speaker 1: was in the green at that chorus with Jane when
Speaker 1: when they was doing the jobs up this woman can
Speaker 1: work and she just want and he went in the scream,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, ones, I got a freak a life.
Speaker 1: So shoes, shoes, sandy shoes. He was my son had
Speaker 1: told her I was dead. I find that a horrble.
Speaker 1: Thus on his wa the stories to that or you
Speaker 1: can't see no, I can the sort the sword I
Speaker 1: had in that was actually a replica made by the
Speaker 1: same man see the film Brave Heart. The man had
Speaker 1: made the sword for mel Gibson. The film Brave Heart
Speaker 1: made me a replica. I've got it off my wall
Speaker 1: and my next book I'm on. I'm on my horse Trojan.
Speaker 1: Oh look apart my sword and the mother become home.
Speaker 1: I've got it for Christmas and hope to get it
Speaker 1: out for that's called no more hidden secrets, no more
Speaker 1: hiding secrets for the warrior on the other side in
Speaker 1: the stone walls. This is me now telling about how
Speaker 1: after I left Quarriors, I turned to drugs and drink
Speaker 1: that you never spoke about before. Thanks, you've never heard before.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell about that, and then how
Speaker 1: on the music life and who I played and what
Speaker 1: I've done and stuff and made no bad then ended
Speaker 1: up doing all again. But it's like the first one
Speaker 1: that's got good baits, bad bats, laughable bats, sad bits.
Speaker 1: That's my life and as long as it can bring
Speaker 1: people about a comfort and help people just take improve
Speaker 1: their life, I've got everything offer. I don't want any
Speaker 1: Every money goes to help someone, and that's where it
Speaker 1: will be if I die, jeans and money will be
Speaker 1: left to keep the cubs and corners every year and
Speaker 1: fresh flowers for the kids in there. That's what it's for.
Speaker 1: I don't want it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's prise twelve pound, but steep the next one will
Speaker 1: be taking pound, will bring it down a couple, but
Speaker 1: for all I got off for all of it. Three
Speaker 1: pound book or some I do, but I'm selling real
Speaker 1: so I can't even to you know, has helped a
Speaker 1: lot of people, and it will continue to do that,
Speaker 1: you know. But that's a weird as But that's what
Speaker 1: I fight for. I keep fighting for for some leafs,
Speaker 1: for some adventures in my beaying. Oh you know, I
Speaker 1: could write another book of it, with the adventures we've
Speaker 1: been doing. We've been here, like we've been everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now that's what it's all about, trying to try
Speaker 3: to understand it, understand the past, try and live with
Speaker 3: the present and look forward. If you can to the future,
Speaker 3: and if you can help people on the way, then
Speaker 3: it's going to help you tenfold. Oh yeah, it's never
Speaker 3: about the money, as you said, it's if you can
Speaker 3: give one minute help to someone that gives you ten hours.
Speaker 1: Back in the rist save the graveyard. That's women. Come over,
Speaker 1: I meet it. He was, I've always wanted to give
Speaker 1: you by coc I went, yeah, she gives us by.
Speaker 1: He was, this is not just from me, he was,
Speaker 1: this is with my daughter. And she started crying. It was, okay,
Speaker 1: you'll never ever I don't know what you've done for
Speaker 1: me and my farmer. Mhmm. He was my daughter. She
Speaker 1: was only my latins fourteen and her daughter was suicidal.
Speaker 1: I te paid her life many times for conting the
Speaker 1: woman she was. But one night she was in her room.
Speaker 1: She comes through and she was crying. She gave her
Speaker 1: mother a hog and she apologize. She goes, mum, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. She was say, I didn't know how much
Speaker 1: I was hurting you. She was about, I give you
Speaker 1: my life. I will never again attempt suicide. She was
Speaker 1: that she never has. She was a through you. She
Speaker 1: started listening at me and found the ah late at
Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel. Huhm. I said, that's that's
Speaker 1: my paypack, that is my payback. I remember there's a
Speaker 1: way back and the other days when we meet you
Speaker 1: and it was hey, you learnard that event there, Remember
Speaker 1: saying to you, if I go on the oy day
Speaker 1: and I come off and just one person gets comfort,
Speaker 1: I goes, I'll be over him and I I'll go
Speaker 1: home happy. And I was fleeing to kind of see
Speaker 1: and I went up and after I come off, I
Speaker 1: commented a hall in said, I say tears, I come back.
Speaker 1: And the first person I mate was Brian Clear and
Speaker 1: Brian was a bad weaving and Brian went on to
Speaker 1: me Brian became money, an amazing warrior thing really good.
Speaker 1: And then there was another girl from down there side.
Speaker 1: Her father was a police guy and he raped her
Speaker 1: as a child, and then the girl went on to
Speaker 1: get married to that daughter, and she was thirteen and
Speaker 1: he was trying, you know, to seduce her, and the
Speaker 1: daughter she told him, she goes, I'm going to report you,
Speaker 1: and he don his own uniform and pointed in thy
Speaker 1: threes he goes, who are you going to believe? You
Speaker 1: dirty bitch? He goes, that's oh, you are a bitch.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, you're here for my pleasure when I
Speaker 1: want to forget that, that's true. So that's girl. She'd
Speaker 1: heard me at that conference thanks to you and Jane
Speaker 1: took her under her ring and a few years ago
Speaker 1: were in Glasgow an event we're talking about like girl
Speaker 1: was here and she was thanking myself Jane, you know,
Speaker 1: because we took her under her wing and we gave
Speaker 1: her every bit of support we could. And that's what
Speaker 1: it's about. If we can get people out to come together,
Speaker 1: just give usupor a bout of comfort. There's more morerius
Speaker 1: even at there to me break her heart. I've got
Speaker 1: a great Since I was a cat and chorious. I
Speaker 1: met Stuart who I spoke about it and she was
Speaker 1: an amazing guy prior. But when we met again just
Speaker 1: a few years back there Suirt was in a oh
Speaker 1: my health of police. His family was all concerned, suret
Speaker 1: was suicide and they were all worried they thought would
Speaker 1: want to do this, And just with the support I
Speaker 1: took Stutland on the line. And he still says that
Speaker 1: and they come on, hey, you know, because hey, I'm
Speaker 1: doing great. Okay, he goes, and every time, every time
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, Sandy, I don't give an eighth
Speaker 1: and he'll come out there, he goes. I feel great
Speaker 1: because it's the best thing you've ever done, is just
Speaker 1: to come out and speak about what happened to me.
Speaker 1: It was an a thought because I've told my daughters,
Speaker 1: I've told my family, and my brothers and my sister.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they oh no. But what thendon was a
Speaker 1: brother and sisters as well in chorus and they were
Speaker 1: all abused. Yuh.
Speaker 3: And I just reading the article of there, I didn't
Speaker 3: know this about the house mother and Witty that was
Speaker 3: sentenced last year, and the comment from you personally at
Speaker 3: the bottom of that story was she should get a
Speaker 3: prison sentence reflecting all the years of how she's put
Speaker 3: the children through, which is very Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because and my new book I mentioned, I cover them names,
Speaker 1: the charts and the sentences. You see that, then you
Speaker 1: realize there's no justice. No justice. We'll never get that.
Speaker 1: There was a base to the Bell Tower. John Portius
Speaker 1: sent to peter Head Prison for eight years for sexual
Speaker 1: abusing kids of all places in the church Bell to
Speaker 1: abusing kids in there. He was sentenced to eight years
Speaker 1: downy six, downy four and two. The kids the abuse
Speaker 1: tried for legal aid to fight the case and were denied.
Speaker 1: The abuser, John Portius, applied for it and was awarded
Speaker 1: fifty thousand pounds in legal aid. That's true. You can
Speaker 1: check out he get fifty five help. Can an abuser
Speaker 1: be a worthy thirty thousand pound and the children they
Speaker 1: abused don't get payny to fight their case? Is usually
Speaker 1: the justice we have in Scotland. And it's true. The
Speaker 1: cover mhm yeah, because he was even friends. If you
Speaker 1: gotta I can go eat and rest, I can name
Speaker 1: and shame a lot and who because I'm a friend
Speaker 1: any when I was friend at one to you? But
Speaker 1: if you gotta eat, And then I said you look
Speaker 1: and see and follow this line. You had porties of
Speaker 1: the Bell Tower friendly with Jeremy Savo, who was connected
Speaker 1: to the what do they call him? The shoeing so
Speaker 1: who murdered all the kids in the school, the Dumblain massacre.
Speaker 1: Who oh, oh, Charlie, who are And then you go
Speaker 1: further because at the Royal your friends, well you're king
Speaker 1: Charles now your two kid and representing them all. But
Speaker 1: oh no, you can't say that, disgusting person. Dare you
Speaker 1: say that, I'm dot is the lowest we've locked up?
Speaker 1: Probably not because I've said a lover the police, sharpman
Speaker 1: my door. I don't give a damn because let them,
Speaker 1: because I know for a fact there'll be plenty plenty
Speaker 1: people of all over Facebook. There will be plenty of
Speaker 1: people standing outsteade the jail shouting on us the problem
Speaker 1: holding men for a bit twelve virus starting for the
Speaker 1: hold gen for twelve's twelve hours and then no charge
Speaker 1: when you go. If you don't get money home, well
Speaker 1: you need work, won't.
Speaker 4: They these days? Or Facebook post.
Speaker 1: What's true? I mean it's near the State of Countries
Speaker 1: and flyer union Jack that's a cream Wow, you know,
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable, unbelievable. Yeah, you get people on with that,
Speaker 1: Tommy Roberts and or one one man you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like a way back when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: that was that enough power. Oh and he was the same,
Speaker 1: you know about the immigrants coming into the countri And
Speaker 1: it's true. I'm not racist and far from it. I've
Speaker 1: got friends all religions. I've got them in my family
Speaker 1: as well. Some racist, far from it. But when they
Speaker 1: start abusing the system and raping their children and stuff,
Speaker 1: then I do get involved. That's what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got very good guest coming on Thursday. Never
Speaker 3: met him, but he talks very honestly and openly about
Speaker 3: this problem. I think he's a friend of tom with
Speaker 3: Robson's too. Yeah, I've got nothing. I've got nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with Tommy Bobson. I've got nothing wrong with immigrants as
Speaker 3: long as that they're the legal ones that you know,
Speaker 3: asked to come in. Then they come in, then they
Speaker 3: do the job then they need, and then and they
Speaker 3: enjoy our country.
Speaker 1: It's I don't red that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's it's I you know, they're coming in the no
Speaker 1: check there was a thing, Yeah, and they were. They
Speaker 1: were handing out leaflets reap read the white women, get
Speaker 1: them pregnant, and then that's it. You'll be aility to
Speaker 1: see in the country.
Speaker 2: Sick.
Speaker 1: This is true. This is hardening before because we speak out,
Speaker 1: you get governors. How dare you he is racist? I'm
Speaker 1: locked up. That's the way he goes, you know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen the video. I've seen the
Speaker 1: film video there we're care Starma. There's a week photograph
Speaker 1: of them, but there's a video going a bit shocking
Speaker 1: with him and he's talking about that. They're talking about
Speaker 1: World War three, you know where Russian or that, and
Speaker 1: we need to do this, we need to do that
Speaker 1: old on man and he's got I think it's a
Speaker 1: time found note clue that guy snorting cocaine, that's true.
Speaker 4: I'd have sturgeon back then, I kista.
Speaker 1: But oh god, we're going for bad, the worse. The stories,
Speaker 1: the stories about our Scottish government. I can tell how
Speaker 1: tough I've been there, done that scene. It the way.
Speaker 1: How how when you're out in the street, how you
Speaker 1: present yourself so that people think, Oh, all first thing
Speaker 1: you're told, if you're in the street, represent and look
Speaker 1: for somebody with a child, make as much fuss to
Speaker 1: get that child. And you're oh you're beautiful, look at you,
Speaker 1: Oh your chair is lovely. Oh have you any more?
Speaker 1: And if you any more children? All blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And see if you're dad in one voats for the
Speaker 1: same pe, you're going to have a lovely life and
Speaker 1: then he gave the kid back and take it back.
Speaker 1: I don't want the look and thing your kids them,
Speaker 1: I told Jane about one time as well. Ask my
Speaker 1: question stomping. They don't want and entertainment. It's a bit
Speaker 1: with us with a fishing on his boat's coming in
Speaker 1: in our country and if we're looking for votes at
Speaker 1: that day and SMP were out in the street and
Speaker 1: I says to Jane and goes, ask him a bit
Speaker 1: of fishing. You know what's going to hart with you?
Speaker 1: And they're going to stop with his fun boat's coming
Speaker 1: and taking her fish. I goes, I'll tell you I
Speaker 1: beat you the guy you asked October and go but
Speaker 1: where oh oh, just a minute, I've got to go,
Speaker 1: He'll answered. And then this guy will come on, well
Speaker 1: I'm not really specializing that I don't know, and he
Speaker 1: will start talking about a load of ship. You don't
Speaker 1: want to here, so what what does it work? This guy? Know?
Speaker 1: What about our first? When do you many goes for
Speaker 1: a load, these boats come in and take all the fashion,
Speaker 1: blah blah, we're not allowed to or just a minute,
Speaker 1: I've got away, I welcome back and see ye, well
Speaker 1: here's my colleague, he'll talk to you. This guy comes up. Yes,
Speaker 1: what you well, I said, Oh I don't know nothing
Speaker 1: about so I can you really call me in? And
Speaker 1: then you're going about housing or whatever? Yes, but what
Speaker 1: do you think of the housing in the Serea? I
Speaker 1: don't want to know about that. You know when and
Speaker 1: you've thought to do that? It's a yah.
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: How do you get yourself out of situation? What I
Speaker 1: have done that? I know how it works? Life, kids
Speaker 1: on and so do we? You can keep us, you
Speaker 1: can keep us down.
Speaker 4: That sounds has been the pleasure again to.
Speaker 1: You, neighbor. Anything are always here?
Speaker 3: Good night is and if you if people wanted to
Speaker 3: get in contact with us our little group that that
Speaker 3: you can tell everybody that can join.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. I've got many people that could get to
Speaker 1: come on you if you want someone them's get some stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah as well.
Speaker 3: But if people wanted to you have there listening now
Speaker 3: and they won't contact you or they want to be
Speaker 3: a part of your group?
Speaker 4: Is the one?
Speaker 1: Who do I get to listen to you? That's the
Speaker 1: thing I don't know. You know you're talking about next
Speaker 1: lay the week on again? How do I just how'd
Speaker 1: I got on to listen to that.
Speaker 4: I'll send your YouTube video after this right, so it's
Speaker 4: usually