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on this episode of Into the Fray. I welcome Chris

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Riley on with me. And he reached out after one

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of my posts that was going, hey, guys, I do

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love to talk about Bigfoot two. I really really really do,

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And Chris emailed and said, oh, I've I got a

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little something about Bigfoot for you. So Chris, thank you

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so much for reaching out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. For having me.

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Speaker 4: Now, you are.

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Speaker 2: An author, and you author fictional novels, but specifically I

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would like to right out of the gate mentioned Went Missing,

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and it is under his name, Chris Riley, and that

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is because the encounters that we will be covering today,

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some of that has made it into your novel Went Missing,

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which came out in February of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: So before we go into what happened in twenty twenty twelve,

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anybody this, and it's just a slight, uh derailment.

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what's come out about the PG film?

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existence of Sasquatch as a whole. I mean, like, I

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PG film doesn't it. It's a weighted thing in the community,

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percent of hoax, you guys still have your encounters and

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for that slight derailment. I tend to do that. So

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the book. And you have friends like Bobo and just

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the community for the academic side of Bigfoot. Even he

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the heavily scientific side of things. So what lines of

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we're discussing, there's that shameless plug I told you that

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would you throwing out there but so when I as

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as real as possible, so as as factual. Whenever I

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have opportunity to incorporate real, true facts, that's you know,

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the development of characters. As a reader, I really enjoy

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well developed and so that's you know, that's kind of

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like that's what does it for me as a writer.

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novel was called The Sinking of the Angie Piper. It's

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about a craft fishman up in Alaska, and I did

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a lot of research on you know, I've talked to

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people that were actually commercial fishermen up there, costuard personnel

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that this is. These were the elements that were important

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to feel as much connected as they can to the

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characters and to the story in a way that yeah,

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this can actually maybe this actually did happen, you know.

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goes back to a I actually wrote a short story

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called Went Missing years before, and it was about the

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main main character who comes across some evidence of sasquatch

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while working up in Alaska. And so that was a

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information and topics I like to watch and even now

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podcasts such as Yours a variety of him out there.

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books Missing for one one, and and then some of

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his his videos actually weren't out yet. I wasn't watching

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his videos at the time. But what the case that

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really hit me was the case of Bart Schleiler. Bart Schleider,

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if anybody knows who he who he is, He's a

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character he's a uh like a total outdoors person. He

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was he would like hunt grizzly bear and moose, and

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he was didn't doing like trapping of Siberian was like

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and this was his life. This is what he did.

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so his case is still kind of very bizarre, and that,

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into it in terms of what the story is about,

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but like in a nutshell, it's a thriller novel and

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the main character is an ex military person. His name

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the mountains of near New Mexico. He's got a lot

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of PTSD, was in the Afghanistan War. This is his backstory.

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his brother Bryson, who is very like I based. I

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imaged him to be just like Bart Schleiler in terms

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of like his craft and what he does that this

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character is went missing up in the Yukon, and so

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actually currently living off the land when he gets to

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some of the Bigfoot lore. And that's where my research

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came in getting back to your original question, because Sam

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of who had been looking for his brother, and it's

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that man who basically describes to stamp Sam Nolan. He

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believes that Bryson, Sam's brother was taken by Sasquatch, and

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so he provides a variety of evidence and Sam Nolan's

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a total skeptic, doesn't believe in the topic. But uh,

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that's where the story kind of unfolds in terms of

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the legend of Bigfoot. So that information that that the

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terms of accuracy, and that's where I was interviewing Jeff

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as far as he goes, Bobo connected, that guy is

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really hard to get a hold of. Bobo got me

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connected to him. And I think Bobo actually just like

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that Derek would then talk to me. Uh. But yeah,

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informative because the the element that I wanted to incorporate

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tracker and so and I don't know much about tracking,

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the uh the the scenes in the novel as accurate

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as possible where I can, and uh, those that's what

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those guys were useful for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Derek Randalls, I would hazard to say that he

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probably know I'm I. I would bet any amount of

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money that I could to know that this is exactly true.

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He spends more time and I mean by he works

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outdoors as well. Everybody knows that for his work for

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his career, but he also actually is in the bush

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doing I mean legit, hikes miles and miles out in

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the middle of nowhere by himself most of the time.

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So I would hazard to say that he is out

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of doors far more than he is indoors compared to

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most people.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, he is a badass. I love him. He's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I was very lucky to have gotten to meet those

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guys and he and Shane Corson and a wonderful group

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of folks. Okay, so let's go to Stanislaus National Forest

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in twenty twelve and let everybody know where this is.

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Speaker 4: Not everybody may know, and just give us the setting.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, so, and it was actually in twenty thirteen

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summer of twenty thirteen. I went back and reviewed my email.

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So and this was Stanislaus National Force. So the this

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is about northwest of Yosemite Park, maybe about ten miles

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or so. And so the location where I had So

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what I had was, you know, I'd reached out to Bobo.

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I was interested in going on a you know, official

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Bigfoot Research Organization expedition, and so he put in a

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good word for me. I will lot to Bobo, as

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you can tell. And so I got into this expedition.

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It was in the summer as a set of twenty thirteen,

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and we we met it at a base camp called

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a base camp, and it's about sixty five hundred foot

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elevation in the Sierra Nevadas, you know, north west of Yosemite.

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And and some of the details Shannon, that i'll convey

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here I corroborated by looking like on Google Earth, I

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would I you know, I looked at the campsite, I

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look where we're at. I looked at where the incidents happened.

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So when I'm talking about like distances or I'm describing it,

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I'm describing it from what I saw there on the ground,

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but also from you know, a topographical map that I

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really kind of studied. So our base camp was, you know,

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was off of the main highway good maybe I think

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about thirteen miles just out there in the middle of nowhere,

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you know, high Sierras, and probably a few miles from

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where the the Sierras just jump into like the super

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High Granite. So we're like on the foothills of like

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like high high country and so there, and the base

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camp was actually like a like a turnaround are. Yeah,

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first of all, you needed to af Fordble Drive to

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get there, but it was like a turnaround area for

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like I guess cattilely scene like they would I guess

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ranchers would, you know, that was a place where they

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would like bring the cattle in or let them out.

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And beautiful, beautiful country. The camp itself was it was

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it was a white clearing. It was sort of on

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the edge of an alpine meadow. And we had about

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the first day I got there, we had about maybe

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twenty to thirty people all total, and maybe a dozen cars.

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So it was a pretty big, big setup. And the

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director is a guy by the name of Bill Brewer.

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He was, you know, he's a very friendly guy, and

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he got us all comfortable and went over the rules

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and whatnot. My first and only expedition, I went on

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and on that first day at the base camp. So

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I'm going to get into the whole story here. The

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first day in the base camp, after everyone was settled in,

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like we had like a kitchen that we established, and

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by the fire Bill started he had like this whole setup.

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He had a laptop with some with a speaker, and

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he was playing sounds of different animals that we could

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expect to hear out there in the sierras, you know,

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mountain lions, owls, bobcats, coyotes, and some of this stuff

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was you know, I was already used to because you know, okay,

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you know, I used to live up in Humble County.

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That's where I met Bob. I met Bobo up there.

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I lived up there for over a decade, and I

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did a lot of hiking and a lot of you know,

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sort of way out back fishing. I'd go up in

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the hills and go fishing. I was totally into bigfoot,

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but I didn't know what to do. I didn't know

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how to look for bigfoot. Had I known that Bobo

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was into big footback then, I would have been on

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him like nothing. Man, I'd be like, do you take

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me to the sites? But but while up in the mountains,

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I'd seen bear, I'd seen mountain lion, you know. I

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so I had, you know, some experience in the mountains.

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But I'm nothing like Derek Randalls of course. So anyway,

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so Bill Brewer, you know, he plays these different sounds

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for us, and it was kind of almost like, you know,

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it was pretty profound that he played those sounds as

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we get into the experience that I had. So and

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so that first night we went ahead and went out

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in groups. So one group stayed back at the base

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camp and uh and then another group of about maybe

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like I don't know, eight to eight, maybe about eight people,

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they were on a trail heading west, and I went

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with the other third group that included Bill, and we

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went east and we left the bass camp like around

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you know, I think we like around between nine and ten,

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somewhere around nine and ten at a night. And we

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had like the little red lamps on so that you know,

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we don't mess a bar our our night vision that

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we had or whatever, just for our own you know,

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the red the red lamps. We're taking it slow because

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it is night time. We don't want to disturb the

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forest too much. There's probably about ten of us in

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that group, and so we, uh so we're hiking. We're

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hiking east on it. It's actually a horse trail. There's

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horse trails up there in that area, and we are

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we we walked for about about a mile, so that's

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so it's a mile away And do you want me

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to get into the full details here, Shannon, Yeah, okay,

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all right. So we walked about a mile and I

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was very comfortable because I was around people and then

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in this and it's interesting because you know, like I'm

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not normally comfortable by myself in the woods, even though

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I did a lot of time up and humble fishing

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and whatnot, but like high back country, you know, by

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myself like whatever, like guys like Derek does or the

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characters that I write about. You know, that's not easy

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for me. You know, I'm I got too much of

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an overactive imagination. But I was comfortable with this group.

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And so we walked about a mile and we stopped.

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So from the base camp there was which was on

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the edge of a high high alpine meadow. Heading east,

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there is like this granite ridge that I'm estimating is

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about five hundred feet in elevation. It comes down into

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another alpine meadow and then that then at the end

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of that is the is the base of what really

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is where the rocky with the granite mountains starts to

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go straight up, so the High High Granite Sierra area.

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And so we're about a mile away. We're we stopped

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at this on this promontory and then facing we turned

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to face towards the base camp, and in front of

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us was another alpine meadow. And Bill calls on those

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walkie talkie or you know, and he calls the people

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at the camp. There was hanging out by the fire.

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He says, I'm going to make a call, and they're

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like we hear them, you know. They're like, yeah, sure,

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go ahead. So I'm sitting down taking a break, right,

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everyone's just relaxing. There's a guy next to me. So

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there are three dudes from Idaho in our group, and

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one of them was sitting next to me. And these

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guys were used to hunting, like Elk and grizzy, like

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they were comfortable in the mountains, right, And so Bill

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does his call, which is like the iconic, you know

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bigfoot call that we'd seen, you know, Bobo and everybody

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do on Finding a Bigfoot or any of those shows.

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And so he makes that call. Like immediately after he

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does this, from the meadow in front of us, I

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don't know, maybe one hundred yards or less, a whole

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pack a whole pack of coyotes to start going nuts.

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They start barking and yapping or whatever. And then Bill

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calls on his on his UH on his walkie talkie,

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calls back to the base camp and asks, hey, you

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know you guys hear that. Of course Noman did. This

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was like over a mile away. Nobody heard the call.

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He's like, okay, I'll go and do it again. So

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he does it again, and and then like right after this,

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there's like the coyotes don't bark from behind us after

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he does this call. So behind us, like to my

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left where I was sitting, probably a couple hundred yards away,

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was a creek that went up a canyon up into

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another alpine meadow right there, and this is where where

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the high Sierra start. Somewhere up there, you know, several

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hundred yards like a ways up there, we hear this

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massive scream and it is like I've looked it up.

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I actually have some resources if you go to the

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the North America wood Ape website. It is North American

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Wood Aid Conservancy website. And I think I spent this

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to you and dropping in in the on the links

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of the show notes. It is what is called area

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X long how. And I you know so that if

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you listen to that, that is the how that I heard.

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It's not the same one because that was taken up

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I think up in Olympia, Washington. I think that the

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Olympic Project actually runs that side. I could be wrong,

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but but that how itself. At first I used to say, oh,

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it was like the Ohio Bigfoot how. But after doing

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some research over the years, that one, that particular how

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was exactly why. What I heard. It was like this long,

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like a fifteen second long scream that was deep and loud,

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and it was it just covered. It was came down

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from the mountains above us. The grizzly bear hunter like

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you know, sitting right next to me. His eyes were

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like this big. You could see the terror in his eyes,

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which is funny because I wasn't scared. I thought, like

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this man, this is cool, like I'm the first guy

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to be afraid of this kind of stuff because I'm

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not comfortable in the woods, not like these guys. And

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so we heard that scream. It was long, it was sustained.

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And then right away, right after the scream from like

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Bill's walkie talking, the people from the base camp were asking,

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was that you so, like over a mile away they

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heard the scream as well, Yes, oh no, that wasn't me.

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And he apparently he had a lot of experience, he

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was a you know, BFRO investigator. He you know, he

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said that wasn't me, it was one of them. And

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then then after that, like everything just went silent. The

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whole forest just like shut down. It was like someone

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just turn turn the switches off. And then Bill has

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made a comment something too like the effect of like,

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you know, that's it for tonight, folks, Like he knew

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that nothing else was going to happen after that, And so,

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you know, we packed up and went back to the

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base camp. There are people sitting by the fire. It

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took a while for us to fall asleep. It was

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midnight or later by the time we got there. I

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was pretty excited, but anyways, went to sleep. The next

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day so the next day in the evening, we did

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the same thing again. We went out in groups. But

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I'm going to sidetrack here. Those three Hunter guys, they

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weren't actually camping with us at the base camp. They

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were camping about five hundred yards away in another clearing,

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and they they came in the next morning pretty just spent.

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You could see it. They were young guys, same age

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as me, maybe a little bit younger. They looked pretty spent,

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and they had some stories which I can get into later.

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It's nothing that I can confirm though, because you know,

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I wasn't there, But in any case, they were done,

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they were spent. They get in to get any sleep.

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That night. One guy kept talking about the absolute dread

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that just was like befell their camp. They were by

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themselves and they were just freaking out. I guess I

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don't know what happened, but that next morning they ended

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up leaving, and so they went up way up, you know,

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back up onto the main highway, got into hotel. I

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guess whatever eventually came back the third day, but that

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was when we were done. But so so, they were

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not with us on the second night, and the second

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night we went out in similar groups, right, And I

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went with Bill and we went to the same exact

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spot that we were the night before, and there were

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people at the base camp. And then almost the same

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exact thing happened Shannon. Bill gets on the walkie talkie.

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He says, all right, I'm gonna make my call standing

474
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:22,799
there on this granite outcrop overlooking this alpine meadow. It's

475
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,400
like whatever ten, it's like eleven o'clock at night. He

476
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,000
makes his call. This time, it's like one coyote. There's

477
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,039
like one left. The rest of one took off, right,

478
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:36,079
there's like one coyote that starts yapping right after he

479
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,160
makes this call. And then I don't remember if he

480
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,319
did a call again or if it happened right after

481
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:49,480
the coyote, but let's say he called again. It was.

482
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,119
It wasn't very long after, at least after his first call,

483
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,680
we heard that same that same how again, the same

484
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,359
one that we'd heard the night before, up up behind us,

485
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,359
up this canyon. Only this time that scream came from

486
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,400
the base camp. It was weird, came from the base camp.

487
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,720
And so we get back to the base camp and

488
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,680
there are people there, but some of the people so Anyway,

489
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,480
the people sitting at the base camp by the fire,

490
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,720
they're all sitting close right, and this one lady was saying, yeah,

491
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:28,079
when that scream went off, they're all excited. She like

492
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:33,240
literally points to the trees. That scream came from right there,

493
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:36,519
is what she said, like right there. However, just like

494
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:39,279
a few feet away, and it scared some of the

495
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:42,440
people just packed their stuff and left in the middle

496
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,519
of the night. They were that terrified. And I can imagine,

497
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,240
I mean we heard it over a mile away. And

498
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:53,279
so so yeah, that was the second night, second incident,

499
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,920
and then then the last day was the third day

500
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,839
was the last day, and there was and this gets

501
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,160
into the footprint that we found, which I emailed you

502
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,200
pictures of. There was a there was a man there

503
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,880
who was part of the group. He had been researching

504
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,640
for a while. I remember he was from North Carolina

505
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,319
and he had been setting out like microphones, like in

506
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,319
different parts of the of the of the valley that

507
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,880
we're in, right, And he found a footprint. And so

508
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:27,160
when he went up where this was at was from

509
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,839
where the metal where the base camp was at. As

510
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,839
I mentioned, there was like this big granite ridge between

511
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,519
that meadow and then the following metal and you know,

512
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,720
up that ridge. Somewhere up there, he placed a microphone.

513
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,880
I'm sure he probably got recordings of the if the

514
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,119
microphones worked. Het he got that recording. Those two recordings,

515
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:55,079
we heard the screams. But on his way up there,

516
00:31:55,119 --> 00:32:00,519
he found a footprint, and he he went up there

517
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:03,440
to get his microphone on the third day, that's when

518
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,680
he found the footprint. So when he came back down

519
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,240
to get his casting material, he told us and I

520
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:13,559
went with him, and this place where this footprint was

521
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:16,400
at Shannon, it's like there's no trail. I mean, first

522
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,440
of all, we're walking through the woods, right, and then

523
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,480
we can start having the scram you know, climb and

524
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:27,319
scramble over up up this granite you know mountain basically

525
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,240
a small hill or small mountain. They were bushwhacking it

526
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:34,359
up there, and there was a small flat of grass

527
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,880
about halfway up, probably about the size of a hot

528
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,759
tub or something, not very big. And the footprint was

529
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,640
right in the middle of that grassy area, and it

530
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,000
looked like a human footprint. It was like classic human footprints,

531
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,920
like someone took their shoes and socks off and just

532
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,400
stomped in the mud. But it was fifteen and a

533
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,160
half inches long and five and a half inches wide,

534
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,319
and it was old too. It had been sitting there

535
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:04,440
for a while because like this guy was like a

536
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,839
total Indiana Jones, Right. He gets down on the ground,

537
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,920
he's got he pulled out this little pack. He's got

538
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,279
scissors and tweezers, a little brush, total archaeologist. He's The

539
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:18,960
print itself had grass growing in in the middle of it,

540
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:21,400
so it was old like there was fresh grass that

541
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,240
it sprung up.

542
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

543
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,319
Speaker 2: Do you mind if I show some of these or

544
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,519
were those just for myself to no?

545
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely go for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

546
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: Can continue all start to pull something up there.

547
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so he was down on his hands and

548
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:41,519
knees with these little scissors and tweezers and he was

549
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,200
cutting out the grass and brushing it out. And then

550
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,319
he did all that before he poured the cast and

551
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:54,880
then yeah, and then lifted it up and we waited

552
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,039
for it to dry. I think while it was drying,

553
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,200
we went up to the top of that granite hill

554
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,680
and and picked up the his microphone, got his microphone.

555
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,880
He get hanging up on a little tree, and then

556
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,000
we went back down and eventually pulled the cast out.

557
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,840
So yeah, that was it. That was my third day

558
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,239
and a couple hours later I went home with all

559
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,320
of this experience. It was pretty wild. Yeah, that's the area,

560
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,039
there's the that's the alpine metal by right by the

561
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:25,639
base camp.

562
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,679
Speaker 4: What a beautiful spot. Oh my goodness.

563
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: So this is so it was just the one track

564
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,840
and it's fifteen inches long and five and a half wide.

565
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:37,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I remember. Crack yep.

566
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:40,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

567
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: I could see where some folks actually at the base

568
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,760
camp and here's you guys actually pouring the is it

569
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,920
plaster of Paris I'm assuming into the into the hole

570
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,960
into the track. I could see where if they were

571
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,159
that close to the actual sound.

572
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,119
Speaker 4: That they would h maybe boogey on out of there.

573
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: But okay, so those I don't know how well you

574
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,159
knew some of the other folks that were there, But

575
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,840
do you do you know if these were folks that

576
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,519
have had their own Bigfoot experiences before, had they been

577
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:19,960
on an expedition before, you know, would that be something

578
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,239
that they had never experienced.

579
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,599
Speaker 4: So maybe that's why they got so freaked out.

580
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:26,639
Speaker 2: And not that I'm judging in any way, shape or

581
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:29,360
form because even people that have had those experiences before

582
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,000
sometimes they go that was too close for comfort, right,

583
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:34,199
mm hmm.

584
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the guy that had poured the cast, he

585
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,599
was very experienced. You know, he had set out there,

586
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:45,400
he knew what he mean, He came prepared. He came

587
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,960
from like North Carolina prepared. But I don't know where

588
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,440
he was in the you know, where he was, I

589
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,159
don't know. I don't think it was at the base camp.

590
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:56,920
I think he was. He wasn't with our group. He

591
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,320
might have been out by himself, to be honest, he

592
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,239
was pretty maybe that experience. He might have been with

593
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,840
the group that went hiking out on the on the

594
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,159
Western Trail. But there were there were several people there

595
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,360
that they did have stories. They this wasn't their first rodeo,

596
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,719
their first you know, expedition, and we would talk about

597
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,440
that at the base camp, you know, in the morning,

598
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,920
like run the fire and stuff. There's a variety of

599
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,920
experiences that I heard, and of course Bill a director,

600
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,079
he had a lot of a lot of stories. But

601
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,760
I don't remember. I think if I remember, one of

602
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:41,519
the persons that left after that that scream at the

603
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:44,760
base camp was a couple a husband and wife, and

604
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,360
I don't remember what their experience level was, but I

605
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,400
just remember it came back and they were gone. But yeah,

606
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:58,239
so there was probably a mixed bag of of experiences. Now,

607
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,440
the the the hunters, the three guys that were hunters

608
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,320
that so I'll tell I'll tell a story about what

609
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,800
they told us. It was kind of like the catalyst

610
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,800
for why they left. So I mentioned they've been camping

611
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:18,119
probably about five hundred yards from us by themselves, and

612
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,760
that second most of that first and the first night

613
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,199
we had that screen, those three were with us. Then

614
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,199
that night apparently they got no sleep, and then we're

615
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,159
very little of it. And then the next day, the

616
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,280
next morning, early morning, they came. They all showed up

617
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,920
at the base camp and they had so this is

618
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,440
this is a story that this guy didn't see. I

619
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,599
was there. I heard the story, but of course I

620
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:50,119
wasn't in his camp. But it's interesting he this one

621
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:54,159
guy showed up with a pack of sausages. All right,

622
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:58,320
like you like breakfast sausages, big think whatever you know,

623
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,880
Italian sausage or whatever was with the with the with

624
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,280
the cellophane over it, so you got you get from

625
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,159
like the meat meat, meat, delly or whatever. And he

626
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,239
claims that, first of all, he kept going on about

627
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,400
how there was just like this planket of dread over

628
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,639
their campsite all night long and him and his two

629
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:25,119
friends were just freaking out. They couldn't really sleep. I

630
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:28,079
don't think they had guns. We were told not to

631
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:32,519
bring any firearms on this expedition. Maybe they're maybe that

632
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,920
was the thing. Maybe they're used to having guns as

633
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,599
hunters and now they felt uncomfortable without that. I don't know.

634
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:43,480
I'm just speculating, but they looked clearly like worn out.

635
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,800
Uh when they showed up the next morning, and this

636
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,400
guy had a package of sausage that had been ripped

637
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,039
open in the middle of it, and you could see

638
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,199
he showed us. They came up, kept talking about look

639
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,440
at this.

640
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: You know.

641
00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: He claims it was in his ice chest, which is

642
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,199
in the back of this pickup truck, and the tailgate

643
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,519
had already been down. They had left it down, you know,

644
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:10,559
it's like the workspace. But he claimed that something had

645
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:14,159
pulled the ice chest out out of his towards the

646
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,679
back of this truck, opened up the ice chest, pulled

647
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:23,760
that sausage out, closed the lid and ripped open the

648
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,920
sausage the cell phane, and you could see showed us

649
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,239
it looked like someone somebody's finger. It was like three

650
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,280
times as wide as mine. Because you know how that

651
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,119
cell PHANEI will keep the impression. It looked like someone's

652
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:39,400
like finger that was like covered in mud. Just ripped,

653
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:46,159
just just stretched open the casing and pulled out one sausage.

654
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,000
Left the package on the tailgate and just like left

655
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,239
was gone. So this brings this package to us. It's

656
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,480
missing a sausage and has like this impression opening the

657
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,360
cell phane. So I don't know what to make of

658
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,159
that the guy was lying or if he was. If anything,

659
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:06,079
it was a good actor because he genuinely looked terrified.

660
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,599
Him and his two friends. And and that's when they left.

661
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,679
They just had this story. They told us they got

662
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,559
no sleep. Something got into their ice chest. I know

663
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,079
there was bear up there for sure, and it was

664
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,079
a bear. I think they would have known. Bears aren't

665
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,599
very sneaky that way. They would pretty much take it all.

666
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:28,639
First of all, they would take all the sausages and

667
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:32,599
so so yeah, so they left. So those are experienced

668
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:40,000
individuals that got pretty pretty uh unnerved by their their experience.

669
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:42,440
And I think it all started when at first that

670
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:44,960
first scream that we heard. So if you're in the

671
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,599
base camp and you're hearing a scream like that, I

672
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,280
don't know. I don't know what I would have done

673
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,719
if I would been there and I heard it just

674
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,000
like feet away from me. But I do remember hearing

675
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,079
I think it was Bill talking about a similar incident happened,

676
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,000
I don't know, a few years before, somewhere up way

677
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,840
in northern California, up in the hight year as someone

678
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,199
that he knew or he could investigated on had been

679
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,280
up there, a guy that would go up into the

680
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,360
hills and just camp by himself, you know, on a

681
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,679
weekend or whatever. He claimed that he heard a similar

682
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,760
scream close to him and he didn't know what it

683
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,519
was and it was scary, so he left. So yeah,

684
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,960
but let me add to this, Shannon, about this scream,

685
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,519
so on my book went missing it. So I incorporate

686
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,800
my experience in a fictional way into the into the story.

687
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,360
And I definitely include that scream in a couple of

688
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,079
couple different times. So there is some elements of Sasquatch

689
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:55,679
in that novel. But my book's also an audio on

690
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,719
audio format, and it was had been published for a year.

691
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,360
It was last summer or I actually listened to it

692
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:08,599
for the first time. And at the end of my book,

693
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,079
I have an author's note where I credit people like

694
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:15,719
Derrick Randalls and Bobo and Jeff Meldrum and a variety

695
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,840
of other people I worked with. And at the end

696
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,119
of that, I'm letting the reader know, I said, Hey,

697
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,199
you know, the the scream that's that's you know, that's

698
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,000
noted in this novel is actually a scream that I

699
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,360
heard myself, not once, but twice, and it's a mystery

700
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,519
that still boggles my mind to this day. Right, So

701
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,079
that's in my my author notes at the end of

702
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,960
my book. Well, here I am listening to the book, right,

703
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,000
and the guy that the narrator's name is Jim Huff

704
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,960
And he didn't tell me this. It was like a

705
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,480
sort of like a little surprise. I actually had to

706
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:52,719
find it out my own. At the end of my

707
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,599
author's note of the book, he includes his own and

708
00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:00,079
he says that as a young man growing up in

709
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,840
northern Washington state fishing and hunting for many years, he

710
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,679
too has heard the same sound multiple times in the forest,

711
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,800
and he has no idea what caused it. So I

712
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,360
imagine my surprise when I listened to my own book

713
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,519
and I hear the audio audio narrator sharing the same

714
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,119
similar experiences that I had.

715
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: So, yeah, well, first of all, how thoughtful of the

716
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,039
Bigfoot if we're to assume that's what it was with

717
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:36,800
the sausage incident that he left a few for them

718
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,000
in the morning. That's so thoughtful of the Bigfoot.

719
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: Right right that they were talking about some people were

720
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:51,239
discussing that the claim was that it's the creature wouldn't

721
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,159
wouldn't want to eat something that has spices in it

722
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,800
or whatever. I don't know, but I don't know how

723
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,920
how truthful that the whole and it was, but let's

724
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,239
just put it added a little bit more icing to

725
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,599
this whole expedition that I that I went on.

726
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 2: So why did the BFRO choose this particular area? Is

727
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,840
it because there have been numerous sightings in that particular spot.

728
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so at the time this was like what thirteen

729
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:27,360
years ago, at the time, there had been and and

730
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,519
Bill the director talked about that he had actually been

731
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,039
out there. I don't know, maybe a few months before,

732
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:38,320
and had been doing some research on some other sightings

733
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,079
and experiences that got reported to the BFRO. I guess,

734
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,760
but it's I've been you know, I've been chatting with

735
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,320
Bobo recently, and I'm trying to get myself into a into,

736
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,719
you know, another expedition I've tried. It's pretty hard to

737
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,199
get into you now, I guess it's very popular, and

738
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:02,760
a friend of mine and I both want We actually, uh,

739
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,000
two summers ago, I went to the same I went

740
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:08,679
back to the same place with my friend and we

741
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,800
camped there and uh it was you know, this is

742
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,119
like a little ten years later, right, and it was

743
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:19,880
we had no experiences. It was malodin ied camp, camp

744
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,920
out and whatnot. But I had reached out to Bobo

745
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,920
because this friend of mine, he's really into uh squatching.

746
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,039
He wants to go out and do I mean, he's

747
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,440
putting money into his truck, is all into he wants

748
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,320
to go out and do some investigations himself and so

749
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:43,519
and recently talking with our chat with Bobo, he had

750
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,840
mentioned that there's a there's a lot of sightings in

751
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,000
the southern Sierra's a lot of like recent sightings. I

752
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,159
don't know, like how how many or to what degree

753
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,480
he's our class A or Class B or whatever type

754
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,559
of sighting. But I guess it's a it's good. I

755
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,920
guess it's been a hot spot for a while now.

756
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:08,559
I mean, I mean it's close to Yosemite. It's in

757
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:14,119
the very high very close to the high country, and yeah,

758
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:18,440
and so uh I think I think for well over

759
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,400
ten years it's it's been a place to get that

760
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,320
you could, you know, find something or at least, you know,

761
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,280
make it worth your while to go out there and

762
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,079
and and do some uh you know, squatching as they say,

763
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:36,920
maybe increases your chances. But it's definitely a not easy

764
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,559
country to get to you. It's not you know, it's

765
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,840
a it's a tough drive. You you're gonna want to

766
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,039
have like a four blow drive truck to get up there.

767
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,559
Speaker 2: Yes, and that would be why Bobs is like, hey,

768
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:51,960
I'm going to be upgrading the vehicle as much as

769
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,920
possible because that is extremely helpful. So when you and

770
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,599
your friend went back, were you guys trying to do

771
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,960
any calls or screen games or whoops or elicit any

772
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,719
kind of activity with with anything that we've We've seen

773
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,599
other people use tactic wise.

774
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, but not not to the degree.

775
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:16,480
We weren't definitely going hiking in nighttime, doing night hikes.

776
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,400
He his his like physically, his back wasn't wasn't doing

777
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:26,199
too good for him to allow that, and so so yeah,

778
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,880
so what we did a little bit of you know,

779
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,840
a little bit of things you would knocks that kind

780
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,760
of screens and stuff, but we didn't. We didn't. We

781
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,880
didn't have any experiences. It was pretty calm and quiet.

782
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,079
There were a few other people camping, uh, I think

783
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:48,000
two other people. Uh, and one of them was where

784
00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:50,199
those guys were at the last time I was there,

785
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,679
about five hundred yards away. Those those three hundred guys.

786
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,440
They so there's like a family camping there or whatever

787
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,400
it was. Yeah, so we did a little little bit,

788
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:03,880
but not not to the degree of that expedition. I

789
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,039
mean that and plus they had that expedition. I mean

790
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:11,079
the guy Billy had all these night vision goggles and stuff.

791
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:14,360
We were using those, and we had a lot of

792
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:20,239
the tools. Uh So yeah, I wasn't like and nowadays,

793
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,639
I mean this is like now I can only imagine

794
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,280
what's being used on the field. Uh, in the field

795
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,639
for gathering research. I do watch a lot of the videos.

796
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,440
I mean incidentally, uh, like as I mentioned, like, so

797
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,840
you know, with with regards to like all of these

798
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,400
paranormal topics, I'm very interested in them. But I would

799
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,039
say I've kind of you know, I haven't had a

800
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,159
lot of experience and a lot of a lot of

801
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:54,679
experiences because I haven't had the opportunity to go do

802
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,119
this other than this one. So so in a way,

803
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,800
I'm kind of actually really lucky because like my first

804
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,519
act tradition, I had this amazing experience, right, we find

805
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:09,079
a track. But but also, like things kind of I'm

806
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,760
lucky in a way because things are like kind of

807
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,320
I'm interested in this topic. I go to Humboldt Stay,

808
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,960
I meet Bobo, right, I meet him up there. I

809
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,880
didn't know he was into the topic at the time,

810
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,239
but you know, fast forward, you know, a couple of

811
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,320
decades later, and he's still instrumental helping me get to

812
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,960
him to uh you know, get exposed to this these

813
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:34,599
uh this this this whole topic. And then there's another

814
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:36,840
guy I'm gonna drop a name here, another guy that

815
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,320
you might have heard of. His name is Robert Kreider.

816
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,559
He has what's called a website called Criter Exploration. And

817
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:47,599
I actually know that guy. I met him up and Humble,

818
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,079
like you know, thirty years ago, and he'd been living

819
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:53,960
up there with my one of my best friends to

820
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,599
this day. And that guy Rob was kind of so

821
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,039
as I'm I'm always been interested in the topic. I

822
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,199
get on YouTube, I look at podcasts. I wasn't surprised

823
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:07,760
to see that Robert Krider had a whole channel. And

824
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,400
that guy is. To talk about an intelligent person, I mean,

825
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,480
he he's I mean ever since I've known him, like

826
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:17,599
I said, thirty years ago, he's he's pretty amazing in

827
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:20,800
terms of his his level of intelligence, and he's doing

828
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,760
some interesting stuff and and and I seen that he

829
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:30,239
uses a variety of different uh like like tronics and

830
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,719
tools whatever in his expirations. But I just I don't

831
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,079
have access to that stuff right now. I don't know

832
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,679
what to get. And uh, I didn't have it two

833
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,039
years ago with my friend, so like when it was dark,

834
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,760
it was dark, so we were you know, we were

835
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,239
definitely not going to go out, you know, tripes around,

836
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,599
but I did, you know, I did mention to him

837
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:55,760
recently if his back's better, because I have an idea.

838
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,760
There's a there's a creek that runs all down that

839
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,239
whole valley, both of those upind valleys as a creek.

840
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:07,760
And I've heard I've heard that sasquatch can be spotted

841
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,159
or will travel like the creeks, right, And so I thought,

842
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:14,960
we'll be really kind of cool to hike that this

843
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:17,559
this creek from one end of the meadow to the

844
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:21,599
two meadows, you know, a couple a couple of mile hike,

845
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,760
but just to look for evidence if there's if you're

846
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,239
gonna if you're gonna find some evidence, maybe that would

847
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,679
be a better place, but a better place to look

848
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:30,559
at least.

849
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say that even just having a thermal

850
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,639
and not just a thermal dose can be extremely expensive,

851
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:42,039
as you will know, but even having just a thermal

852
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,199
is so helpful because and I appreciate that you said this, Chris,

853
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,679
because you said that, you know, you tend to have

854
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,280
an overactive imagination, and I think that we all do,

855
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,880
but some people might let that go a little further

856
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,599
than others. As far as what was that sound, Oh,

857
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:00,199
it must be this, It must be that numb not

858
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,079
saying that's what you do, but having a thermal, because

859
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:07,480
a squirrel rooting around in some dry brush sounds a

860
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:10,119
hill of a lot louder than it should, and it's

861
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:13,719
just so much easier to go okay, raccoon, squirrel, dear,

862
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,960
whatever the case might be. So yeah, thermals are extremely,

863
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,159
extremely helpful. So because I can hear it now, people

864
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:25,599
watching with this, watching us and listening to this would say, Okay,

865
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:29,199
so you're out on a BFRO expedition with up to

866
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,760
twenty people, and I know it tapered off, you know,

867
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,519
after that first night. But the first night there was

868
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,079
up to twenty people and you're all split up. So

869
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:41,800
I can hear the people going, well, obviously, someone you know,

870
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:48,039
split off and went behind and executed this incredible scream

871
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:52,039
howl that y'all heard in your mind or in anybody's

872
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,199
mind that was there, but you heard it, and I'm

873
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:57,599
talking to you. Is there any way that a person

874
00:52:57,679 --> 00:52:59,719
could have made a sound that loud?

875
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: No, not a chance. There's not a chance at all

876
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:09,480
that that scream it was It was heard over a valley,

877
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:13,039
you know, that was you know, over a mile away.

878
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,119
There's no way a person can make that make make

879
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:20,960
the noise that I heard, not no, not not even possible.

880
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:25,400
And when in the second night, when it was when

881
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,119
the screen was made near the base camp, we had

882
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:32,920
heard it. We were a mile away or more. If

883
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,440
you look at that, you know, anybody watching, go to

884
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,320
that website listen to that sound area X long. How

885
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,679
that is what I heard? And you know, it does

886
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,079
sound like a like there's old classic you know, air

887
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,360
siren that's you know, your air siren needs to use

888
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,400
during World War two air raids. So it's possible somebody

889
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,800
blugged one of those up into the hills, right and

890
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,760
and did that. But it I mean, it's not exactly

891
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,239
like an aerosiren. I mean there's a there's a there's

892
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,880
a vocal tonality to what I heard. It's not it

893
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,559
wasn't mechanical, right, And.

894
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:18,119
Speaker 2: If you're playing it through a speaker and you're call blasting,

895
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:20,960
that sounds much different as well from an act. If

896
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,800
a person was to make the same call that you're

897
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,000
blasting through a speaker, and that's just people, you can

898
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:28,519
tell the difference, as you say, there's a tonal difference

899
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,079
and a different quality.

900
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:33,159
Speaker 1: To it, right, And then the sustain too, I mean

901
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:36,400
it was like a fifteen second long how I don't

902
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,000
think I can't do that. But I mean, I mean,

903
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,239
you know, I guess if you had the right technology

904
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,039
or something. But even if even if you had the

905
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:52,719
right audio technology or whatever, right recording or something like that,

906
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:59,079
it it just sounded. It sounded animalistic. It sounded like

907
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,440
a creature. Didn't sound like something that a human would make.

908
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,559
It sounded prime, like primal, like a you know, very

909
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,199
it was. I don't. It was like a beast up

910
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,239
in the mountains that made this screen. Yeah, I don't.

911
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,159
I don't see how any person could have done that

912
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:23,599
without any form of technical you know, amplification or enhancement

913
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:28,360
or whatever. And and if they did that, you know,

914
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,480
they were way up in the hills above us and

915
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,519
uh and then way down Uh. You know, they're cross

916
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:39,719
going across that valley for two different nights. Then also

917
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,280
there's the footprint that I found. I didn't find, but

918
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,320
the guy found. And you know, I looked at that,

919
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:48,719
and that wasn't done the night before that. That if

920
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,280
somebody planted that, they went up there three months in

921
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,840
advance or whatever and did it, because there was grass

922
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,880
growing in the middle of that print. Fresh grass was

923
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,599
like a quarter of an inch high. So yeah, I

924
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:06,199
don't know, I mean, pretty elaborate if they if if

925
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,599
it was, if any of those incidents were hoaxed, And

926
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:12,039
then it comes to the question is like to what end,

927
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,920
Like what's the point? It's like there was no like

928
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:17,800
the only point would be to you know, for someone

929
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,039
who did that just because they like to hear themselves laugh,

930
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:24,360
because you know, it didn't come to anything other than

931
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,440
you know, people having that experience. It's not like, you know,

932
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,079
as far as I know, it's not like our our

933
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:34,159
incident was on the front page of Inquiring Minds or

934
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:37,760
anything like that. So yeah, I don't know. It would

935
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,320
seemed then, you know, I look back as far as

936
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,320
you know, like my friend Jim Huff, the audio narrator,

937
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,199
he had the same same experiences you know, growing up

938
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:54,199
in Washington. The screen that I heard was recorded also

939
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,079
in Olympia, uh, northern and northern Washington, as I mentioned

940
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:01,760
on the web on that website. So yeah, I don't know.

941
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,320
I think it would be pretty far fetch shan if

942
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,239
anything that I experienced was was anything other than genuine.

943
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,519
Speaker 2: Have you just real quick before I forget, did you

944
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:14,800
also get a chance to talk to David Ellis of

945
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,639
the Olympic Project. He's kind of the he's the audio

946
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:23,039
set slash sound file guru of I mean really most

947
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:23,599
big fitters.

948
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 4: I would hazard to say, not just the Olympic Project.

949
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,719
Speaker 1: I know you're talking. I haven't talked to him. I

950
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,000
really respect the guy. I really enjoyed listening to him,

951
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:36,559
him and Shane Corson. I'd love to meet up with

952
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:41,119
those guys. When I talked to Derek, of course, and

953
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,440
he is. Derek has invited me multiple times to come

954
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,880
up there and and just you know, hang with them.

955
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,679
But I haven't been haven't been able to get a

956
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:54,000
hold of Derek in a while. And also it's pretty

957
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:59,639
far away, you know, I'm in northern California, Washington. I'd

958
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:02,039
have to time in the summer. I am a teacher,

959
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:05,400
so I have some results what's conceivable, but I just

960
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,400
haven't been able to make it up there. But but yeah,

961
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,559
David Ellis, Yeah, he's really impressive with his his uh,

962
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,960
his researching and some of the techniques that he does

963
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,559
in terms of like I think he carries or like

964
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,800
a recorder on the back of his hat, like every

965
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,599
time he gets into the field, he's always recording sounds

966
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:29,599
and stuff. So yeah, hopefully he sees this video and

967
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,599
maybe it adds a little more evidence to his research

968
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:39,159
with regards to overactive imagination. You know, I like, I, uh,

969
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,159
you mentioned that, and that was something that uh that

970
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,960
for my myself. You know, like I'm close to this

971
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,480
here in Nevadison. You know, I can get to some

972
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:51,880
of these places, these high countries within a couple hours

973
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,039
drive and do some researching. But you know, and and

974
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:57,480
I'm I'm bringing this up because you're talking about the

975
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:00,400
thermal and the sound. It's just like a chipmunk chewing

976
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,400
on a nut. That's actually some advice that Derek Randalls

977
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,679
gave me because I told him. I said, Dude, I'm like,

978
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:08,360
I'm scared to death to go out in the mountains

979
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,519
by myself and do some squatching, you know, because here's

980
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:15,360
how my imagination works. There's no supposedly there's no grizzly

981
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:20,400
bears in California, right, but let's just say one of

982
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,480
them made it here, just kind of ambled its way

983
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:26,719
down through Oregon or whatever. If I'm camping in the mountains,

984
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,199
then that one grizzy bear that's gonna be the bear

985
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:35,000
that's gonna find me and on a on an empty stomach,

986
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,239
you know, like this is what I think about, you know,

987
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,440
late at night. Derek had a good laugh with that,

988
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,679
and he told me he just drive yourself some thermbals

989
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,480
or something and just go hang out in the mountains

990
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:47,639
at night time and just sit and wait and listen

991
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:51,800
and just observe through your thermals the different uh you know,

992
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,400
sounds of the that you're that you're hearing and what

993
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,400
they're what they're being made by. So that was great advice.

994
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:02,280
But maybe I'll get around to that this summer or something.

995
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,199
But yeah, that's uh, that's It's definitely not something that's

996
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:09,280
easy for me. You know, I got too much of

997
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,599
an active imagination. It's gotten better over the years, but

998
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:17,440
I definitely have preferred the company safety in numbers like.

999
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and self preservation right. Uh.

1000
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:27,159
Speaker 2: No, you know Derek Randalls encounter after playing a baby cry,

1001
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,000
after hiking six seven eight whatever it was, I forget

1002
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:33,599
now miles one way into where he was going and

1003
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:36,480
then playing and blasting a baby cry. I don't know

1004
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:39,880
if you've ever heard that him tell that or read

1005
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,199
it anywhere. He was kind enough to let me include

1006
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:47,840
that in my book for Bigfoot. But holy smokes, I

1007
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,920
mean that is that's on the no list, that's on

1008
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,679
the no thanks list. That and guess what, he's still

1009
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,920
he still goes out. He still does his solo hikes.

1010
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,719
And I'm not talking about a little half mile up

1011
01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:02,000
a hill and back down. You know, this is miles

1012
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,199
and miles into the into the bush. So he is

1013
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,519
a different breed. He's like a mountain goat.

1014
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: Uh So he actually but he actually told me that

1015
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,679
story personally as we're talking on the phone and not Yeah,

1016
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:20,880
that takes a whole set of uh nerve to get

1017
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,159
to do what he did. But and also there's a

1018
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:30,280
testament fact that he's still doing that and he's still around. Right,

1019
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,320
So if you're gonna go deep into Sasquatch territory and

1020
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:39,320
uh presumably Sasquatch territory and do things like that, I

1021
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,280
don't think he does that anymore. But just being there

1022
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:45,360
it says a lot is for in terms of like

1023
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,079
how dangerous these creatures can be if you're able to

1024
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:54,440
continue to research and not go missing, you know, So

1025
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:59,320
that I guess the plausible argument is that Sasquatch are

1026
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,480
pretty benign. But then again, you have my imagination and

1027
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:05,880
we'll watch like Missing Ford Wile one videos or why

1028
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,360
or you know, read the books on that, and just

1029
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,320
trip out and think, Okay, well this case, this guy

1030
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,920
was abducted by a sashquatchs no getting around it, you know,

1031
01:02:14,039 --> 01:02:18,400
or or whatever. Just my imagination will go there anyway,

1032
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:19,840
Go ahead, Yeah, you don't.

1033
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 2: Want to get turned into a Louisville slugger against a tree,

1034
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:23,639
do you.

1035
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:24,639
Speaker 1: No?

1036
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:26,719
Speaker 4: No, doesn't sound very pleasant.

1037
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:31,199
Speaker 2: Actually, so when because much like myself, I haven't seen

1038
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:35,800
a bigfoot, but I've heard several extremely interesting things that

1039
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:41,000
I just can't really explain, and that really really lit

1040
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:42,800
the fire for me. I still feel like I need

1041
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,239
to see one to know for sure, to know one

1042
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,079
hundred percent. I'm not one hundred percent, but I would say, however,

1043
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:53,000
many more percentage each time I heard something strange at

1044
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:56,599
these different locations I've been, it really bumped the percentage

1045
01:02:56,719 --> 01:02:59,159
up for me. So when you that first night you

1046
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:02,320
hear that screen behind you, guys, did that really for

1047
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,679
you go oh, oh my gosh, Actually, I really now

1048
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,960
think they could really be out there. Or were you

1049
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:09,519
already at that point before that.

1050
01:03:11,719 --> 01:03:15,639
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say it pushed me any closer to

1051
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:21,360
the like the believability factor, because I'm a I'm a

1052
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,599
already there, like already about ninety ninety five. And I

1053
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,559
just and I just based that on all the different

1054
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,639
accounts that I've heard of and you know, the you know,

1055
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:38,880
the stories I've heard of and the you know, the

1056
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,719
shows I've watched, the the stories that you know, the legends,

1057
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,719
like every Native American tribe has talked about this creature.

1058
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,239
I mean, the stories go way back that the existence

1059
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,400
of this creature. The Patterson Gamblin film, you know, started

1060
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,239
it all for me. So I was pretty much as

1061
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,039
far the only thing that will push me to one

1062
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:02,320
hundred percent would be the actually see the creature. But

1063
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:07,079
when I heard that scream, it was you know, it

1064
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,679
wasn't so much like, oh yep, let me go, uh

1065
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,039
it exists. It was just more like, you know, it

1066
01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:17,320
was very surreal. It was almost like I couldn't believe

1067
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,960
that this was happening. My first night on this Bigfoot

1068
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:26,320
Research Organization expedition, and we hear that thing, we hear

1069
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,119
that noise. It was just a surreal moment. And then

1070
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:31,760
I was tripped out because the dude next to me,

1071
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,559
he looked like he hit just seen a ghost. He

1072
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:37,719
was so terrified, eyes were just just he was just

1073
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:43,079
like panic striking almost. But yeah, so no, I'm pretty

1074
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:46,559
much it didn't really change my thought pattern. The only

1075
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:48,360
thing that's going to do that is going to be

1076
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,920
to see see the creature. And I don't think there's

1077
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,519
gonna be anything this video you mentioned, whatever, this hoax

1078
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,960
proven it to be a hope video you mentioned the

1079
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,360
beginning of this interview. I don't think that's gonna if

1080
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,480
I watch it, it's not going to detract where I'm

1081
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:10,000
thinking whatever. You know, it's not gonna out you know,

1082
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:13,199
it's not gonna wipe out that Oh no, hundreds of

1083
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,800
years of experience and stories and no, that's.

1084
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:18,519
Speaker 4: Just for the PG film.

1085
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:21,719
Speaker 2: That's where people need to but that's also people that

1086
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,960
are not in the big community at all. To be fair,

1087
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:26,840
that's just people going of course it's fake. The PG

1088
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,800
film is fake, So it's all fake. Well we know

1089
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,960
that's not true. They just they haven't taken five minutes literally,

1090
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:37,639
just take five minutes and look at it. So, uh oh,

1091
01:05:37,679 --> 01:05:42,760
I lost my train of thoughts. If you saw one

1092
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,840
if you actually end up seeing one. Have you thought

1093
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,880
about the varying degrees of brown pants moments that people

1094
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,199
have had from I don't need brown pounds at all,

1095
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:55,639
because I was in my car and it was close enough.

1096
01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:58,000
I know what it was, but I felt safe to

1097
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:04,639
full on. It changes your entire life to where you

1098
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:08,519
never want to go out into the woods again, all right.

1099
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:14,079
Speaker 1: So i'vet I've thought about that multiple times because in

1100
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:17,320
the writing of my book Went Missing, there are there

1101
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,840
are experiences, there are moments in there's incidents there. You know,

1102
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,599
there are there are scenes were the main characters he's

1103
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:25,639
up in the Yukon by himself, he's looking for his

1104
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:34,480
brother and he's finding evidence that points to sasquatch, And

1105
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:39,079
so I've thought a lot about that also, of course,

1106
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,199
you know, I've gone hunting around here, scouting a little bit,

1107
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,239
you know, with a by myself. But that's like that's

1108
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,599
where I'd have the unnerving experiences of being out there

1109
01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:54,840
and start thinking about this, like what if what if

1110
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,119
you know, I came across Like what if it's true,

1111
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,679
what if I was hiking in the woods and I

1112
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:05,360
came across you know, a monster, a creature that's like

1113
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,880
at least eight feet tall, you know, a thousand pounds,

1114
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,639
you know, scary looking face. What if I'm just sitting

1115
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:15,400
there at a creek and I'm when it comes walking

1116
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,440
through the trees right by me. You know, I can

1117
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:24,559
imagine the total fear that that would overcome somebody. And

1118
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:31,480
I've heard stories where when people have claimed, like hunters

1119
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,280
have claimed that they've seen one and they described like

1120
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,320
many multiple times I've read across where if someone has

1121
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,599
described that the fear that hit them when they saw

1122
01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:44,760
this creature was like a primal fear. It was a

1123
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:49,840
fear that was unlike anything that they've ever ever experienced,

1124
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,360
like this weird carror kind of thing. And so I've

1125
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,519
really thought a lot about that because you know, I'm

1126
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:00,719
as a writer, I'm trying to generate you know, that

1127
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:06,239
kind of emotion for the reader for certain scenes. And yeah,

1128
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,400
so I probably wouldn't have that same exact feeling if

1129
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,559
I saw one, depending on well, definitely if I was

1130
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,119
by myself, If I was a group of people, I'd

1131
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:19,079
probably be okay with it, like, yeah, that's cool, But

1132
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:21,680
if it was I was by myself, And also depending

1133
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,640
on how far were how far way it was. You know,

1134
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,439
it's like way over there in the hills and you

1135
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,880
can see it going up the hillside versus just it

1136
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,000
stepping out in front of you by you know, a

1137
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:35,920
group of trees. So yeah, I can see I can

1138
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,159
see myself being quite unnerved. It was an up close

1139
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:46,079
they could call it a Class A siding, right, yeah.

1140
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:50,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, there's varying a million different permutations for

1141
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:53,520
Class A sidings. And of course the brown pants moments

1142
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,640
was a nod to the great Will Jebning and his

1143
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,880
underwear changing moments. Type of type of situations that you

1144
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,359
don't want, you know. I've talked to a few people

1145
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,079
that have they've been hunting or hiking, whatever it is,

1146
01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:10,520
and they say, off in the distance, there's something strange

1147
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,800
over there, and they have binoculars, And I think that

1148
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,800
is a wonderful way.

1149
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 4: To have a confirmation siding.

1150
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 2: Because you have the binoculars, you're gonna know exactly what

1151
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,399
you're looking at. And you need the binoculars, so that

1152
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,439
means you're far enough away where you're not gonna get

1153
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,399
turned into a Louisville slugger. So I think that's a

1154
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,880
great sighting, along with maybe a you know, a road

1155
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,600
siding in your car, although we've heard people go, if

1156
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,520
it wanted to, it would have just rep the doors

1157
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,000
off and plucked me right out of there, right like

1158
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:44,319
a little little burrito. Just And that's what I think

1159
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:48,399
of when people have these. Now, this is a bad one, right, Chris.

1160
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,119
You're at a campsite and one of them comes in

1161
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:55,560
and is poking at you tent or you know, I've

1162
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,920
talked to somebody that was like touching the toe through

1163
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,439
the eagerly go No, now I'm actually literally a burrito

1164
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,119
for this thing. And that's where your mind goes. You

1165
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,279
just you can't help it, because you do wonder if

1166
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:12,960
there are the Bigfoot that choose, whether they're hungry, whether

1167
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,760
they don't care about the if there's quote unquote big

1168
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,680
Foot rules that they follow. You don't take the hairless

1169
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,159
things because then more hairless things come and it's get

1170
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:24,880
all up in our living room. But maybe some of

1171
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,600
them don't care, or maybe some of them are that hungry.

1172
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,880
And I get it, I get where your mind goes

1173
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,640
with that. You're going, I don't I don't want that

1174
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:33,279
to be me.

1175
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: No, like in that when I was there on that expedition.

1176
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The tent that I had was a little small, single

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person I just called a bubiac whatever. It's a small tent, right,

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like you lay there and the and the top of

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the tent like like you know, yeah, six stations from

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my face. I couldn't help. I actually had to like

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put in a little earbud and listen to music to

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fall sleep, because just to put out, you know, put

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out the sounds, because I was I was a little

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bit tripped out when I heard that scream, right yeah,

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and I imagine like, yeah, I've a bigfoot was desperate enough,

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it's gonna throw that me and my whole tent over

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its shoulder and head off into the trees, right or

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getting back to your common if you're seeing if you're

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seeding one, you're out hiking and you see one in

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the distance and you're looking at it and through the binoculars,

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I'm like, yeah, that's great, but how far are you

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from your car? Like are you three three days up

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into the hills? You know that kind of thing. I've

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done backpacking trips. You know we're out three days out,

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you know, so yeah, so like those are the things

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that go through my mind. I'm like you know, if

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I saw one, you know, where's my escape rout? Don't

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get you know, even it's five hundred yards away from me.

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Where am I from my car? So yeah, it's definitely

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one of those things I've thought about. It can be

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it's you know, I don't know, it's like there's like

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a weird terror that comes with the creature. Then again,

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you guys, you have guys like Derek Ryandalls and Shane

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Corson who are out on the hills by themselves multiple

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times they're doing this and they're still there's still alive

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and rereading as far as I know. So it's probably

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just the overactive imagination, which least I'm putting into good

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use by writing books right.

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Speaker 4: Aim into that.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of that, I think this is a great

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place to let everybody know where to find your books.

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And of course please mention your website because you said

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that people can also contact you through the website.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can access my books on Amazon, Barnes

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and Noble wherever you want if you know the name

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of the book author Chris Riley. I've got five Novels

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went Missing as the first novel of the Sam Nolan series,

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and it delves into as I met as we talked

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about the Bigfoot, some of the Bigfoot legends. The second

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that series is called wild Man, and it's sort of

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like a little I don't know, it's similar to the Deliverance,

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the movie Deliverance. I'm pretty gritty, and there is some

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elements in there that I incorporated that I had picked

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up off on some of the missing person's stories out there,

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But it just it doesn't talk about it's not about Sasquatch. Yeah,

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or Amazon, you know, has my novels. I have a

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science fiction novel under C. H. Riley. It's called The

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Sound of the Future, and it's pretty dark dystopian novel.

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I'm a pretty prolific writer. I write in multiple genres

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and and my website is Chris Riley author dot com

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and that's a good place to contact me. Also, look

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at some of the stuff I've done. I'm not too

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tech savvy, so it's nothing to be impressive about. But

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but yeah, so you know those are short, truncated version

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of my writing experiences.

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Speaker 4: Well, Chris, I thank you so much for reaching out.

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I know that you saw my posts. You're like, I

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will come on and tell you some big Foot stuff,

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and I really appreciate that. I just love talking about

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the big guys. And if you and I'm hoping that you.

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Speaker 2: Do, but I hope that it's not levelton underword changing

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moment that you get to.

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Speaker 4: See a bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: But if you do, please come on and share it

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here with us for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be one of the first to hear hear

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from me if I have another experience.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so that is chrisreileyauthor dot com and the books

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on Amazon.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Chris, yep, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Shennon.

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Speaker 3: Well, so, I was giving this name business I've done

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and my profession producing the black but it says forget it,

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that's not that's something for story, that's all gone, that's

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all pass. I want to see the really you who

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are now. But nobody knows who their names.

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Speaker 6: Because we don't know ourselves except who listening to our

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egos and consulting our memmbers.

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Speaker 3: But that that's a really and that again it's expected

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this question.

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Speaker 1: What are you?

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Speaker 5: That is the meaning.

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Speaker 3: We shall see how they play with the success well

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buy the cos to get you to come out of

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your show and find out.

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Speaker 1: Be very old.

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Speaker 5: It's it's it's it's examples.

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Speaker 7: Its busts, for example, are quite divided on us.

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Speaker 3: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation

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that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different

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living somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this that

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if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that you're

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the same person at.

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Speaker 5: The door half an hour ago, will be becoming.

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Speaker 3: If you're liberating your mothers, not that you're not. The

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past hasn't existence, The future doesn't existence.

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Speaker 7: There is only the present.

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Speaker 2: That's the only walliam of the incidence.

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Speaker 3: Send master, don't get away, offer space in s Spring

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does not become sum.

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Speaker 7: Sense because there is some sense and then there is spring.

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Speaker 5: H it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's puss.

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Speaker 6: Puss Ts has the same ideas pot the Four More Days,

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where he says, when you've settled down in the train,

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you can read your newspaper and.

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Speaker 3: So you're not the same person a while ago and

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live in the plant. If you think you are, you

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are linking your moments up in the check and this

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is what binds the wheel of both. But when you

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know that every moment of which you are is the

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only moment. This counts intos and the Master will say

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from somebody, I can't have a book acrost the rock

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,479
and it can't be back. And he says, where up

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with me?

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Speaker 1: They've gone?

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Speaker 3: So where are you?

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Speaker 1: Who are you?

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Speaker 3: When we are asked who we are, we usually give

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a kind of recitation of an instrums

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Speaker 1: Hm