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sitting right next to me. His eyes were like this big.
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the base camp were asking, was that you so like
over a mile away they heard the scream as well.
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on this episode of Into the Fray. I welcome Chris
Riley on with me. And he reached out after one
of my posts that was going, hey, guys, I do
love to talk about Bigfoot two. I really really really do,
And Chris emailed and said, oh, I've I got a
little something about Bigfoot for you. So Chris, thank you
so much for reaching out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. For having me.
Speaker 4: Now, you are.
Speaker 2: An author, and you author fictional novels, but specifically I
would like to right out of the gate mentioned Went Missing,
and it is under his name, Chris Riley, and that
is because the encounters that we will be covering today,
some of that has made it into your novel Went Missing,
which came out in February of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Right, that's correct.
Speaker 2: So before we go into what happened in twenty twenty twelve,
way prior to that, have you always been into Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, so I remember, you know, I'm a gen exter.
So I remember back my first exposure back in the
day I was a little kid. It had to have
been Leonard Nimoy's In Search of you know. That's like
I watched that show and I think that's the first
time I saw the Patterson Gimley film. And I mean,
I grew up, grew up in San Diego City. Boy
wasn't used to the woods. I was always kind of
a mystery to me. And then when I saw that
video with with you know, the Patterson Gimley Gimli footage,
I thought that was amazing, and so yeah, I always
as a kid, I was, you know, reading books about
UFOs and aliens, all the paranormal stuff. So yeah, it
goes way back.
Speaker 2: So I haven't had the chance of actually to ask
anybody this, and it's just a slight, uh derailment.
Speaker 4: And we'll get right back to it.
Speaker 2: But what do you think of the latest hubbub about
what's come out about the PG film?
Speaker 4: Is that going to change much for you?
Speaker 2: Did you put a whole lot of stock in that
foot it's right out of the gate after you saw it,
obviously it did something for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I I'm not I've heard the hubbub
about the like I guess there's a film that's proves
that it's a hoax or something, if I understand that correct.
I don't really know that much though I haven't done
any research on what's currently being discussed. But you know,
there's just I don't I don't really put a lot
of weight into it because it's one of those things
that's I mean, I don't know. I haven't watched any
of films on proving that the video is a hoax
or whatever, but I don't know, have to be pretty
pretty convincing to convince me. There's just so many different
clickbait type strategies and things that get people to watch
shows or whatever. But I don't know, I think it's
pretty hard to disprove that that video and uh, and
then just looking at this, the whole thing is the
existence of Sasquatch as a whole. I mean, like, I
have my experience, and I we'll be talking about that,
but even before that, I've always sort of been mostly
like very open minded, like I don't see why why
couldn't this thing exist? And I mean the wilderness is
pretty huge and it's a lot of places to hide.
So yeah, so I mean I don't have a huge
opinion on that. Uh what's being discussed currently. I guess
I need to look into that some more.
Speaker 2: Well, no, and I'm in the same boat, and I
think that it's I would hazard to say, it would
be tough to comment on something without being able to
see it, right, So I just people are there's a
lot of fighting going on, like usual in the bigfit
community online from a lot of people that.
Speaker 4: Haven't even seen it yet.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, but I will say that and as you
kind of already pointed out, you have your own experiences,
so do thousands upon thousands of other folks. So the
PG film doesn't it. It's a weighted thing in the community,
of course. But even if it is proven one hundred
percent of hoax, you guys still have your encounters and
you know that it's real. So okay, well, thank you
for that slight derailment. I tend to do that. So
even in went missing for the research for the novel,
and you've already been into Bigfoot. You even said that
you interviewed Derek Randalls, who I've met in person, love him.
He's of the Olympic Project, and even Jeff Meldrum for
the book. And you have friends like Bobo and just
all these people that have had their own experiences or
like Rest in Peace Jeff Meldrum were highly regarded in
the community for the academic side of Bigfoot. Even he
was one of our biggest proponents for that side of things,
the heavily scientific side of things. So what lines of
things where you looking forward to get from these folks
as far as just the novel side of things.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, so this is the book. By the way,
we're discussing, there's that shameless plug I told you that
would you throwing out there but so when I as
a writer, Shannon, what I'm I'm a fiction writer, So
I write stories that are not real. But what really
drives me is is real. Is to make my stories
as real as possible, so as as factual. Whenever I
have opportunity to incorporate real, true facts, that's you know,
that's really important for me. And also with the characters,
the development of characters. As a reader, I really enjoy
My favorite novels are novels where the characters are so
well developed and so that's you know, that's kind of
like that's what does it for me as a writer.
And so so as a side note from my first
novel was called The Sinking of the Angie Piper. It's
about a craft fishman up in Alaska, and I did
a lot of research on you know, I've talked to
people that were actually commercial fishermen up there, costuard personnel
that this is. These were the elements that were important
to the novel because what I want the reader to
do is when they read my story, I want them
to feel as much connected as they can to the
characters and to the story in a way that yeah,
this can actually maybe this actually did happen, you know.
So that's like, that's sort of my goal for writing.
And when it came to writing Went Missing. First of all,
there's a lot too that as far as inspiration. What
the main inspiration for this story for me, well, actually
goes back to a I actually wrote a short story
called Went Missing years before, and it was about the
main main character who comes across some evidence of sasquatch
while working up in Alaska. And so that was a
that was the first inspiration. The second one was as
I was doing my research, because I'm like the kind
of guy that, like, as I mentioned, as a kid,
I've been into you know, all of this paranormal uh
information and topics I like to watch and even now
podcasts such as Yours a variety of him out there.
And at the time before I wrote Went Missing, and
I was really reading reading a lot of David Plaidi's
books Missing for one one, and and then some of
his his videos actually weren't out yet. I wasn't watching
his videos at the time. But what the case that
really hit me was the case of Bart Schleiler. Bart Schleider,
if anybody knows who he who he is, He's a
character he's a uh like a total outdoors person. He
was he would like hunt grizzly bear and moose, and
he was didn't doing like trapping of Siberian was like
the you know, he was really comfortable in the woods
and this was his life. This is what he did.
And he went missing in two thousand and four, in
September two thousand and four up in the Yukon, and
so his case is still kind of very bizarre, and that,
to me was the striking element for my book went missing,
and so I started with that, and then of course
the story itself. I don't want to get too deep
into it in terms of what the story is about,
but like in a nutshell, it's a thriller novel and
the main character is an ex military person. His name
is Sam Nolan and he's currently living in the in
the mountains of near New Mexico. He's got a lot
of PTSD, was in the Afghanistan War. This is his backstory.
But the start of the novels, he finds out that
his brother Bryson, who is very like I based. I
imaged him to be just like Bart Schleiler in terms
of like his craft and what he does that this
character is went missing up in the Yukon, and so
that's the start of the novel. The novel is about
Sam Nolan, who is very skilled outdoorsman ex green bray,
you know, knows how to live off the land, is
actually currently living off the land when he gets to
notice that his brother's missing. So that's the start of
the novel. He goes up there to find his brother,
and in the interim of the search, I weave in
some of the Bigfoot lore. And that's where my research
came in getting back to your original question, because Sam
Nolan he interviews one of the search and rescue leaders
of who had been looking for his brother, and it's
that man who basically describes to stamp Sam Nolan. He
believes that Bryson, Sam's brother was taken by Sasquatch, and
so he provides a variety of evidence and Sam Nolan's
a total skeptic, doesn't believe in the topic. But uh,
that's where the story kind of unfolds in terms of
the legend of Bigfoot. So that information that that the
character that the search and rescue leader provides his am,
that's what I had to have really dialed in in
terms of accuracy, and that's where I was interviewing Jeff
Meldrum just via email and uh, Bobo and a few
other people that I know in in the in the community.
But and then in terms of for for Derek Randalls,
as far as he goes, Bobo connected, that guy is
really hard to get a hold of. Bobo got me
connected to him. And I think Bobo actually just like
that's the word, basically vented me for Derek, and so
that Derek would then talk to me. Uh. But yeah,
I had some great conversations with Derek. He was very
informative because the the element that I wanted to incorporate
in my novel was that my character Sam Nolan is
supposed to be like a you know, a world class
tracker and so and I don't know much about tracking,
but Derek does, and so he gave me all kinds
of information that I that was very helpful and I
incorporate that into my book. If you read it, you'll
you'll anybody's a tracker will read that and they'll pick
up like, oh, this is I know what this guy's doing. Yeah.
So so yeah, that's to answer your question. That's the
main thing for me is to just tried to get
the uh the the scenes in the novel as accurate
as possible where I can, and uh, those that's what
those guys were useful for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Derek Randalls, I would hazard to say that he
probably know I'm I. I would bet any amount of
money that I could to know that this is exactly true.
He spends more time and I mean by he works
outdoors as well. Everybody knows that for his work for
his career, but he also actually is in the bush
doing I mean legit, hikes miles and miles out in
the middle of nowhere by himself most of the time.
So I would hazard to say that he is out
of doors far more than he is indoors compared to
most people.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, he is a badass. I love him. He's wonderful.
Speaker 2: I was very lucky to have gotten to meet those
guys and he and Shane Corson and a wonderful group
of folks. Okay, so let's go to Stanislaus National Forest
in twenty twelve and let everybody know where this is.
Speaker 4: Not everybody may know, and just give us the setting.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, so, and it was actually in twenty thirteen
summer of twenty thirteen. I went back and reviewed my email.
So and this was Stanislaus National Force. So the this
is about northwest of Yosemite Park, maybe about ten miles
or so. And so the location where I had So
what I had was, you know, I'd reached out to Bobo.
I was interested in going on a you know, official
Bigfoot Research Organization expedition, and so he put in a
good word for me. I will lot to Bobo, as
you can tell. And so I got into this expedition.
It was in the summer as a set of twenty thirteen,
and we we met it at a base camp called
a base camp, and it's about sixty five hundred foot
elevation in the Sierra Nevadas, you know, north west of Yosemite.
And and some of the details Shannon, that i'll convey
here I corroborated by looking like on Google Earth, I
would I you know, I looked at the campsite, I
look where we're at. I looked at where the incidents happened.
So when I'm talking about like distances or I'm describing it,
I'm describing it from what I saw there on the ground,
but also from you know, a topographical map that I
really kind of studied. So our base camp was, you know,
was off of the main highway good maybe I think
about thirteen miles just out there in the middle of nowhere,
you know, high Sierras, and probably a few miles from
where the the Sierras just jump into like the super
High Granite. So we're like on the foothills of like
like high high country and so there, and the base
camp was actually like a like a turnaround are. Yeah,
first of all, you needed to af Fordble Drive to
get there, but it was like a turnaround area for
like I guess cattilely scene like they would I guess
ranchers would, you know, that was a place where they
would like bring the cattle in or let them out.
And beautiful, beautiful country. The camp itself was it was
it was a white clearing. It was sort of on
the edge of an alpine meadow. And we had about
the first day I got there, we had about maybe
twenty to thirty people all total, and maybe a dozen cars.
So it was a pretty big, big setup. And the
director is a guy by the name of Bill Brewer.
He was, you know, he's a very friendly guy, and
he got us all comfortable and went over the rules
and whatnot. My first and only expedition, I went on
and on that first day at the base camp. So
I'm going to get into the whole story here. The
first day in the base camp, after everyone was settled in,
like we had like a kitchen that we established, and
by the fire Bill started he had like this whole setup.
He had a laptop with some with a speaker, and
he was playing sounds of different animals that we could
expect to hear out there in the sierras, you know,
mountain lions, owls, bobcats, coyotes, and some of this stuff
was you know, I was already used to because you know, okay,
you know, I used to live up in Humble County.
That's where I met Bob. I met Bobo up there.
I lived up there for over a decade, and I
did a lot of hiking and a lot of you know,
sort of way out back fishing. I'd go up in
the hills and go fishing. I was totally into bigfoot,
but I didn't know what to do. I didn't know
how to look for bigfoot. Had I known that Bobo
was into big footback then, I would have been on
him like nothing. Man, I'd be like, do you take
me to the sites? But but while up in the mountains,
I'd seen bear, I'd seen mountain lion, you know. I
so I had, you know, some experience in the mountains.
But I'm nothing like Derek Randalls of course. So anyway,
so Bill Brewer, you know, he plays these different sounds
for us, and it was kind of almost like, you know,
it was pretty profound that he played those sounds as
we get into the experience that I had. So and
so that first night we went ahead and went out
in groups. So one group stayed back at the base
camp and uh and then another group of about maybe
like I don't know, eight to eight, maybe about eight people,
they were on a trail heading west, and I went
with the other third group that included Bill, and we
went east and we left the bass camp like around
you know, I think we like around between nine and ten,
somewhere around nine and ten at a night. And we
had like the little red lamps on so that you know,
we don't mess a bar our our night vision that
we had or whatever, just for our own you know,
the red the red lamps. We're taking it slow because
it is night time. We don't want to disturb the
forest too much. There's probably about ten of us in
that group, and so we, uh so we're hiking. We're
hiking east on it. It's actually a horse trail. There's
horse trails up there in that area, and we are
we we walked for about about a mile, so that's
so it's a mile away And do you want me
to get into the full details here, Shannon, Yeah, okay,
all right. So we walked about a mile and I
was very comfortable because I was around people and then
in this and it's interesting because you know, like I'm
not normally comfortable by myself in the woods, even though
I did a lot of time up and humble fishing
and whatnot, but like high back country, you know, by
myself like whatever, like guys like Derek does or the
characters that I write about. You know, that's not easy
for me. You know, I'm I got too much of
an overactive imagination. But I was comfortable with this group.
And so we walked about a mile and we stopped.
So from the base camp there was which was on
the edge of a high high alpine meadow. Heading east,
there is like this granite ridge that I'm estimating is
about five hundred feet in elevation. It comes down into
another alpine meadow and then that then at the end
of that is the is the base of what really
is where the rocky with the granite mountains starts to
go straight up, so the High High Granite Sierra area.
And so we're about a mile away. We're we stopped
at this on this promontory and then facing we turned
to face towards the base camp, and in front of
us was another alpine meadow. And Bill calls on those
walkie talkie or you know, and he calls the people
at the camp. There was hanging out by the fire.
He says, I'm going to make a call, and they're
like we hear them, you know. They're like, yeah, sure,
go ahead. So I'm sitting down taking a break, right,
everyone's just relaxing. There's a guy next to me. So
there are three dudes from Idaho in our group, and
one of them was sitting next to me. And these
guys were used to hunting, like Elk and grizzy, like
they were comfortable in the mountains, right, And so Bill
does his call, which is like the iconic, you know
bigfoot call that we'd seen, you know, Bobo and everybody
do on Finding a Bigfoot or any of those shows.
And so he makes that call. Like immediately after he
does this, from the meadow in front of us, I
don't know, maybe one hundred yards or less, a whole
pack a whole pack of coyotes to start going nuts.
They start barking and yapping or whatever. And then Bill
calls on his on his UH on his walkie talkie,
calls back to the base camp and asks, hey, you
know you guys hear that. Of course Noman did. This
was like over a mile away. Nobody heard the call.
He's like, okay, I'll go and do it again. So
he does it again, and and then like right after this,
there's like the coyotes don't bark from behind us after
he does this call. So behind us, like to my
left where I was sitting, probably a couple hundred yards away,
was a creek that went up a canyon up into
another alpine meadow right there, and this is where where
the high Sierra start. Somewhere up there, you know, several
hundred yards like a ways up there, we hear this
massive scream and it is like I've looked it up.
I actually have some resources if you go to the
the North America wood Ape website. It is North American
Wood Aid Conservancy website. And I think I spent this
to you and dropping in in the on the links
of the show notes. It is what is called area
X long how. And I you know so that if
you listen to that, that is the how that I heard.
It's not the same one because that was taken up
I think up in Olympia, Washington. I think that the
Olympic Project actually runs that side. I could be wrong,
but but that how itself. At first I used to say, oh,
it was like the Ohio Bigfoot how. But after doing
some research over the years, that one, that particular how
was exactly why. What I heard. It was like this long,
like a fifteen second long scream that was deep and loud,
and it was it just covered. It was came down
from the mountains above us. The grizzly bear hunter like
you know, sitting right next to me. His eyes were
like this big. You could see the terror in his eyes,
which is funny because I wasn't scared. I thought, like
this man, this is cool, like I'm the first guy
to be afraid of this kind of stuff because I'm
not comfortable in the woods, not like these guys. And
so we heard that scream. It was long, it was sustained.
And then right away, right after the scream from like
Bill's walkie talking, the people from the base camp were asking,
was that you so, like over a mile away they
heard the scream as well, Yes, oh no, that wasn't me.
And he apparently he had a lot of experience, he
was a you know, BFRO investigator. He you know, he
said that wasn't me, it was one of them. And
then then after that, like everything just went silent. The
whole forest just like shut down. It was like someone
just turn turn the switches off. And then Bill has
made a comment something too like the effect of like,
you know, that's it for tonight, folks, Like he knew
that nothing else was going to happen after that, And so,
you know, we packed up and went back to the
base camp. There are people sitting by the fire. It
took a while for us to fall asleep. It was
midnight or later by the time we got there. I
was pretty excited, but anyways, went to sleep. The next
day so the next day in the evening, we did
the same thing again. We went out in groups. But
I'm going to sidetrack here. Those three Hunter guys, they
weren't actually camping with us at the base camp. They
were camping about five hundred yards away in another clearing,
and they they came in the next morning pretty just spent.
You could see it. They were young guys, same age
as me, maybe a little bit younger. They looked pretty spent,
and they had some stories which I can get into later.
It's nothing that I can confirm though, because you know,
I wasn't there, But in any case, they were done,
they were spent. They get in to get any sleep.
That night. One guy kept talking about the absolute dread
that just was like befell their camp. They were by
themselves and they were just freaking out. I guess I
don't know what happened, but that next morning they ended
up leaving, and so they went up way up, you know,
back up onto the main highway, got into hotel. I
guess whatever eventually came back the third day, but that
was when we were done. But so so, they were
not with us on the second night, and the second
night we went out in similar groups, right, And I
went with Bill and we went to the same exact
spot that we were the night before, and there were
people at the base camp. And then almost the same
exact thing happened Shannon. Bill gets on the walkie talkie.
He says, all right, I'm gonna make my call standing
there on this granite outcrop overlooking this alpine meadow. It's
like whatever ten, it's like eleven o'clock at night. He
makes his call. This time, it's like one coyote. There's
like one left. The rest of one took off, right,
there's like one coyote that starts yapping right after he
makes this call. And then I don't remember if he
did a call again or if it happened right after
the coyote, but let's say he called again. It was.
It wasn't very long after, at least after his first call,
we heard that same that same how again, the same
one that we'd heard the night before, up up behind us,
up this canyon. Only this time that scream came from
the base camp. It was weird, came from the base camp.
And so we get back to the base camp and
there are people there, but some of the people so Anyway,
the people sitting at the base camp by the fire,
they're all sitting close right, and this one lady was saying, yeah,
when that scream went off, they're all excited. She like
literally points to the trees. That scream came from right there,
is what she said, like right there. However, just like
a few feet away, and it scared some of the
people just packed their stuff and left in the middle
of the night. They were that terrified. And I can imagine,
I mean we heard it over a mile away. And
so so yeah, that was the second night, second incident,
and then then the last day was the third day
was the last day, and there was and this gets
into the footprint that we found, which I emailed you
pictures of. There was a there was a man there
who was part of the group. He had been researching
for a while. I remember he was from North Carolina
and he had been setting out like microphones, like in
different parts of the of the of the valley that
we're in, right, And he found a footprint. And so
when he went up where this was at was from
where the metal where the base camp was at. As
I mentioned, there was like this big granite ridge between
that meadow and then the following metal and you know,
up that ridge. Somewhere up there, he placed a microphone.
I'm sure he probably got recordings of the if the
microphones worked. Het he got that recording. Those two recordings,
we heard the screams. But on his way up there,
he found a footprint, and he he went up there
to get his microphone on the third day, that's when
he found the footprint. So when he came back down
to get his casting material, he told us and I
went with him, and this place where this footprint was
at Shannon, it's like there's no trail. I mean, first
of all, we're walking through the woods, right, and then
we can start having the scram you know, climb and
scramble over up up this granite you know mountain basically
a small hill or small mountain. They were bushwhacking it
up there, and there was a small flat of grass
about halfway up, probably about the size of a hot
tub or something, not very big. And the footprint was
right in the middle of that grassy area, and it
looked like a human footprint. It was like classic human footprints,
like someone took their shoes and socks off and just
stomped in the mud. But it was fifteen and a
half inches long and five and a half inches wide,
and it was old too. It had been sitting there
for a while because like this guy was like a
total Indiana Jones, Right. He gets down on the ground,
he's got he pulled out this little pack. He's got
scissors and tweezers, a little brush, total archaeologist. He's The
print itself had grass growing in in the middle of it,
so it was old like there was fresh grass that
it sprung up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you mind if I show some of these or
were those just for myself to no?
Speaker 1: Absolutely go for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Can continue all start to pull something up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so he was down on his hands and
knees with these little scissors and tweezers and he was
cutting out the grass and brushing it out. And then
he did all that before he poured the cast and
then yeah, and then lifted it up and we waited
for it to dry. I think while it was drying,
we went up to the top of that granite hill
and and picked up the his microphone, got his microphone.
He get hanging up on a little tree, and then
we went back down and eventually pulled the cast out.
So yeah, that was it. That was my third day
and a couple hours later I went home with all
of this experience. It was pretty wild. Yeah, that's the area,
there's the that's the alpine metal by right by the
base camp.
Speaker 4: What a beautiful spot. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: So this is so it was just the one track
and it's fifteen inches long and five and a half wide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I remember. Crack yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I could see where some folks actually at the base
camp and here's you guys actually pouring the is it
plaster of Paris I'm assuming into the into the hole
into the track. I could see where if they were
that close to the actual sound.
Speaker 4: That they would h maybe boogey on out of there.
Speaker 2: But okay, so those I don't know how well you
knew some of the other folks that were there, But
do you do you know if these were folks that
have had their own Bigfoot experiences before, had they been
on an expedition before, you know, would that be something
that they had never experienced.
Speaker 4: So maybe that's why they got so freaked out.
Speaker 2: And not that I'm judging in any way, shape or
form because even people that have had those experiences before
sometimes they go that was too close for comfort, right,
mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the guy that had poured the cast, he
was very experienced. You know, he had set out there,
he knew what he mean, He came prepared. He came
from like North Carolina prepared. But I don't know where
he was in the you know, where he was, I
don't know. I don't think it was at the base camp.
I think he was. He wasn't with our group. He
might have been out by himself, to be honest, he
was pretty maybe that experience. He might have been with
the group that went hiking out on the on the
Western Trail. But there were there were several people there
that they did have stories. They this wasn't their first rodeo,
their first you know, expedition, and we would talk about
that at the base camp, you know, in the morning,
like run the fire and stuff. There's a variety of
experiences that I heard, and of course Bill a director,
he had a lot of a lot of stories. But
I don't remember. I think if I remember, one of
the persons that left after that that scream at the
base camp was a couple a husband and wife, and
I don't remember what their experience level was, but I
just remember it came back and they were gone. But yeah,
so there was probably a mixed bag of of experiences. Now,
the the the hunters, the three guys that were hunters
that so I'll tell I'll tell a story about what
they told us. It was kind of like the catalyst
for why they left. So I mentioned they've been camping
probably about five hundred yards from us by themselves, and
that second most of that first and the first night
we had that screen, those three were with us. Then
that night apparently they got no sleep, and then we're
very little of it. And then the next day, the
next morning, early morning, they came. They all showed up
at the base camp and they had so this is
this is a story that this guy didn't see. I
was there. I heard the story, but of course I
wasn't in his camp. But it's interesting he this one
guy showed up with a pack of sausages. All right,
like you like breakfast sausages, big think whatever you know,
Italian sausage or whatever was with the with the with
the cellophane over it, so you got you get from
like the meat meat, meat, delly or whatever. And he
claims that, first of all, he kept going on about
how there was just like this planket of dread over
their campsite all night long and him and his two
friends were just freaking out. They couldn't really sleep. I
don't think they had guns. We were told not to
bring any firearms on this expedition. Maybe they're maybe that
was the thing. Maybe they're used to having guns as
hunters and now they felt uncomfortable without that. I don't know.
I'm just speculating, but they looked clearly like worn out.
Uh when they showed up the next morning, and this
guy had a package of sausage that had been ripped
open in the middle of it, and you could see
he showed us. They came up, kept talking about look
at this.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: He claims it was in his ice chest, which is
in the back of this pickup truck, and the tailgate
had already been down. They had left it down, you know,
it's like the workspace. But he claimed that something had
pulled the ice chest out out of his towards the
back of this truck, opened up the ice chest, pulled
that sausage out, closed the lid and ripped open the
sausage the cell phane, and you could see showed us
it looked like someone somebody's finger. It was like three
times as wide as mine. Because you know how that
cell PHANEI will keep the impression. It looked like someone's
like finger that was like covered in mud. Just ripped,
just just stretched open the casing and pulled out one sausage.
Left the package on the tailgate and just like left
was gone. So this brings this package to us. It's
missing a sausage and has like this impression opening the
cell phane. So I don't know what to make of
that the guy was lying or if he was. If anything,
it was a good actor because he genuinely looked terrified.
Him and his two friends. And and that's when they left.
They just had this story. They told us they got
no sleep. Something got into their ice chest. I know
there was bear up there for sure, and it was
a bear. I think they would have known. Bears aren't
very sneaky that way. They would pretty much take it all.
First of all, they would take all the sausages and
so so yeah, so they left. So those are experienced
individuals that got pretty pretty uh unnerved by their their experience.
And I think it all started when at first that
first scream that we heard. So if you're in the
base camp and you're hearing a scream like that, I
don't know. I don't know what I would have done
if I would been there and I heard it just
like feet away from me. But I do remember hearing
I think it was Bill talking about a similar incident happened,
I don't know, a few years before, somewhere up way
in northern California, up in the hight year as someone
that he knew or he could investigated on had been
up there, a guy that would go up into the
hills and just camp by himself, you know, on a
weekend or whatever. He claimed that he heard a similar
scream close to him and he didn't know what it
was and it was scary, so he left. So yeah,
but let me add to this, Shannon, about this scream,
so on my book went missing it. So I incorporate
my experience in a fictional way into the into the story.
And I definitely include that scream in a couple of
couple different times. So there is some elements of Sasquatch
in that novel. But my book's also an audio on
audio format, and it was had been published for a year.
It was last summer or I actually listened to it
for the first time. And at the end of my book,
I have an author's note where I credit people like
Derrick Randalls and Bobo and Jeff Meldrum and a variety
of other people I worked with. And at the end
of that, I'm letting the reader know, I said, Hey,
you know, the the scream that's that's you know, that's
noted in this novel is actually a scream that I
heard myself, not once, but twice, and it's a mystery
that still boggles my mind to this day. Right, So
that's in my my author notes at the end of
my book. Well, here I am listening to the book, right,
and the guy that the narrator's name is Jim Huff
And he didn't tell me this. It was like a
sort of like a little surprise. I actually had to
find it out my own. At the end of my
author's note of the book, he includes his own and
he says that as a young man growing up in
northern Washington state fishing and hunting for many years, he
too has heard the same sound multiple times in the forest,
and he has no idea what caused it. So I
imagine my surprise when I listened to my own book
and I hear the audio audio narrator sharing the same
similar experiences that I had.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, well, first of all, how thoughtful of the
Bigfoot if we're to assume that's what it was with
the sausage incident that he left a few for them
in the morning. That's so thoughtful of the Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Right right that they were talking about some people were
discussing that the claim was that it's the creature wouldn't
wouldn't want to eat something that has spices in it
or whatever. I don't know, but I don't know how
how truthful that the whole and it was, but let's
just put it added a little bit more icing to
this whole expedition that I that I went on.
Speaker 2: So why did the BFRO choose this particular area? Is
it because there have been numerous sightings in that particular spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so at the time this was like what thirteen
years ago, at the time, there had been and and
Bill the director talked about that he had actually been
out there. I don't know, maybe a few months before,
and had been doing some research on some other sightings
and experiences that got reported to the BFRO. I guess,
but it's I've been you know, I've been chatting with
Bobo recently, and I'm trying to get myself into a into,
you know, another expedition I've tried. It's pretty hard to
get into you now, I guess it's very popular, and
a friend of mine and I both want We actually, uh,
two summers ago, I went to the same I went
back to the same place with my friend and we
camped there and uh it was you know, this is
like a little ten years later, right, and it was
we had no experiences. It was malodin ied camp, camp
out and whatnot. But I had reached out to Bobo
because this friend of mine, he's really into uh squatching.
He wants to go out and do I mean, he's
putting money into his truck, is all into he wants
to go out and do some investigations himself and so
and recently talking with our chat with Bobo, he had
mentioned that there's a there's a lot of sightings in
the southern Sierra's a lot of like recent sightings. I
don't know, like how how many or to what degree
he's our class A or Class B or whatever type
of sighting. But I guess it's a it's good. I
guess it's been a hot spot for a while now.
I mean, I mean it's close to Yosemite. It's in
the very high very close to the high country, and yeah,
and so uh I think I think for well over
ten years it's it's been a place to get that
you could, you know, find something or at least, you know,
make it worth your while to go out there and
and and do some uh you know, squatching as they say,
maybe increases your chances. But it's definitely a not easy
country to get to you. It's not you know, it's
a it's a tough drive. You you're gonna want to
have like a four blow drive truck to get up there.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that would be why Bobs is like, hey,
I'm going to be upgrading the vehicle as much as
possible because that is extremely helpful. So when you and
your friend went back, were you guys trying to do
any calls or screen games or whoops or elicit any
kind of activity with with anything that we've We've seen
other people use tactic wise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, but not not to the degree.
We weren't definitely going hiking in nighttime, doing night hikes.
He his his like physically, his back wasn't wasn't doing
too good for him to allow that, and so so yeah,
so what we did a little bit of you know,
a little bit of things you would knocks that kind
of screens and stuff, but we didn't. We didn't. We
didn't have any experiences. It was pretty calm and quiet.
There were a few other people camping, uh, I think
two other people. Uh, and one of them was where
those guys were at the last time I was there,
about five hundred yards away. Those those three hundred guys.
They so there's like a family camping there or whatever
it was. Yeah, so we did a little little bit,
but not not to the degree of that expedition. I
mean that and plus they had that expedition. I mean
the guy Billy had all these night vision goggles and stuff.
We were using those, and we had a lot of
the tools. Uh So yeah, I wasn't like and nowadays,
I mean this is like now I can only imagine
what's being used on the field. Uh, in the field
for gathering research. I do watch a lot of the videos.
I mean incidentally, uh, like as I mentioned, like, so
you know, with with regards to like all of these
paranormal topics, I'm very interested in them. But I would
say I've kind of you know, I haven't had a
lot of experience and a lot of a lot of
experiences because I haven't had the opportunity to go do
this other than this one. So so in a way,
I'm kind of actually really lucky because like my first
act tradition, I had this amazing experience, right, we find
a track. But but also, like things kind of I'm
lucky in a way because things are like kind of
I'm interested in this topic. I go to Humboldt Stay,
I meet Bobo, right, I meet him up there. I
didn't know he was into the topic at the time,
but you know, fast forward, you know, a couple of
decades later, and he's still instrumental helping me get to
him to uh you know, get exposed to this these
uh this this this whole topic. And then there's another
guy I'm gonna drop a name here, another guy that
you might have heard of. His name is Robert Kreider.
He has what's called a website called Criter Exploration. And
I actually know that guy. I met him up and Humble,
like you know, thirty years ago, and he'd been living
up there with my one of my best friends to
this day. And that guy Rob was kind of so
as I'm I'm always been interested in the topic. I
get on YouTube, I look at podcasts. I wasn't surprised
to see that Robert Krider had a whole channel. And
that guy is. To talk about an intelligent person, I mean,
he he's I mean ever since I've known him, like
I said, thirty years ago, he's he's pretty amazing in
terms of his his level of intelligence, and he's doing
some interesting stuff and and and I seen that he
uses a variety of different uh like like tronics and
tools whatever in his expirations. But I just I don't
have access to that stuff right now. I don't know
what to get. And uh, I didn't have it two
years ago with my friend, so like when it was dark,
it was dark, so we were you know, we were
definitely not going to go out, you know, tripes around,
but I did, you know, I did mention to him
recently if his back's better, because I have an idea.
There's a there's a creek that runs all down that
whole valley, both of those upind valleys as a creek.
And I've heard I've heard that sasquatch can be spotted
or will travel like the creeks, right, And so I thought,
we'll be really kind of cool to hike that this
this creek from one end of the meadow to the
two meadows, you know, a couple a couple of mile hike,
but just to look for evidence if there's if you're
gonna if you're gonna find some evidence, maybe that would
be a better place, but a better place to look
at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say that even just having a thermal
and not just a thermal dose can be extremely expensive,
as you will know, but even having just a thermal
is so helpful because and I appreciate that you said this, Chris,
because you said that, you know, you tend to have
an overactive imagination, and I think that we all do,
but some people might let that go a little further
than others. As far as what was that sound, Oh,
it must be this, It must be that numb not
saying that's what you do, but having a thermal, because
a squirrel rooting around in some dry brush sounds a
hill of a lot louder than it should, and it's
just so much easier to go okay, raccoon, squirrel, dear,
whatever the case might be. So yeah, thermals are extremely,
extremely helpful. So because I can hear it now, people
watching with this, watching us and listening to this would say, Okay,
so you're out on a BFRO expedition with up to
twenty people, and I know it tapered off, you know,
after that first night. But the first night there was
up to twenty people and you're all split up. So
I can hear the people going, well, obviously, someone you know,
split off and went behind and executed this incredible scream
howl that y'all heard in your mind or in anybody's
mind that was there, but you heard it, and I'm
talking to you. Is there any way that a person
could have made a sound that loud?
Speaker 1: No, not a chance. There's not a chance at all
that that scream it was It was heard over a valley,
you know, that was you know, over a mile away.
There's no way a person can make that make make
the noise that I heard, not no, not not even possible.
And when in the second night, when it was when
the screen was made near the base camp, we had
heard it. We were a mile away or more. If
you look at that, you know, anybody watching, go to
that website listen to that sound area X long. How
that is what I heard? And you know, it does
sound like a like there's old classic you know, air
siren that's you know, your air siren needs to use
during World War two air raids. So it's possible somebody
blugged one of those up into the hills, right and
and did that. But it I mean, it's not exactly
like an aerosiren. I mean there's a there's a there's
a vocal tonality to what I heard. It's not it
wasn't mechanical, right, And.
Speaker 2: If you're playing it through a speaker and you're call blasting,
that sounds much different as well from an act. If
a person was to make the same call that you're
blasting through a speaker, and that's just people, you can
tell the difference, as you say, there's a tonal difference
and a different quality.
Speaker 1: To it, right, And then the sustain too, I mean
it was like a fifteen second long how I don't
think I can't do that. But I mean, I mean,
you know, I guess if you had the right technology
or something. But even if even if you had the
right audio technology or whatever, right recording or something like that,
it it just sounded. It sounded animalistic. It sounded like
a creature. Didn't sound like something that a human would make.
It sounded prime, like primal, like a you know, very
it was. I don't. It was like a beast up
in the mountains that made this screen. Yeah, I don't.
I don't see how any person could have done that
without any form of technical you know, amplification or enhancement
or whatever. And and if they did that, you know,
they were way up in the hills above us and
uh and then way down Uh. You know, they're cross
going across that valley for two different nights. Then also
there's the footprint that I found. I didn't find, but
the guy found. And you know, I looked at that,
and that wasn't done the night before that. That if
somebody planted that, they went up there three months in
advance or whatever and did it, because there was grass
growing in the middle of that print. Fresh grass was
like a quarter of an inch high. So yeah, I
don't know, I mean, pretty elaborate if they if if
it was, if any of those incidents were hoaxed, And
then it comes to the question is like to what end,
Like what's the point? It's like there was no like
the only point would be to you know, for someone
who did that just because they like to hear themselves laugh,
because you know, it didn't come to anything other than
you know, people having that experience. It's not like, you know,
as far as I know, it's not like our our
incident was on the front page of Inquiring Minds or
anything like that. So yeah, I don't know. It would
seemed then, you know, I look back as far as
you know, like my friend Jim Huff, the audio narrator,
he had the same same experiences you know, growing up
in Washington. The screen that I heard was recorded also
in Olympia, uh, northern and northern Washington, as I mentioned
on the web on that website. So yeah, I don't know.
I think it would be pretty far fetch shan if
anything that I experienced was was anything other than genuine.
Speaker 2: Have you just real quick before I forget, did you
also get a chance to talk to David Ellis of
the Olympic Project. He's kind of the he's the audio
set slash sound file guru of I mean really most
big fitters.
Speaker 4: I would hazard to say, not just the Olympic Project.
Speaker 1: I know you're talking. I haven't talked to him. I
really respect the guy. I really enjoyed listening to him,
him and Shane Corson. I'd love to meet up with
those guys. When I talked to Derek, of course, and
he is. Derek has invited me multiple times to come
up there and and just you know, hang with them.
But I haven't been haven't been able to get a
hold of Derek in a while. And also it's pretty
far away, you know, I'm in northern California, Washington. I'd
have to time in the summer. I am a teacher,
so I have some results what's conceivable, but I just
haven't been able to make it up there. But but yeah,
David Ellis, Yeah, he's really impressive with his his uh,
his researching and some of the techniques that he does
in terms of like I think he carries or like
a recorder on the back of his hat, like every
time he gets into the field, he's always recording sounds
and stuff. So yeah, hopefully he sees this video and
maybe it adds a little more evidence to his research
with regards to overactive imagination. You know, I like, I, uh,
you mentioned that, and that was something that uh that
for my myself. You know, like I'm close to this
here in Nevadison. You know, I can get to some
of these places, these high countries within a couple hours
drive and do some researching. But you know, and and
I'm I'm bringing this up because you're talking about the
thermal and the sound. It's just like a chipmunk chewing
on a nut. That's actually some advice that Derek Randalls
gave me because I told him. I said, Dude, I'm like,
I'm scared to death to go out in the mountains
by myself and do some squatching, you know, because here's
how my imagination works. There's no supposedly there's no grizzly
bears in California, right, but let's just say one of
them made it here, just kind of ambled its way
down through Oregon or whatever. If I'm camping in the mountains,
then that one grizzy bear that's gonna be the bear
that's gonna find me and on a on an empty stomach,
you know, like this is what I think about, you know,
late at night. Derek had a good laugh with that,
and he told me he just drive yourself some thermbals
or something and just go hang out in the mountains
at night time and just sit and wait and listen
and just observe through your thermals the different uh you know,
sounds of the that you're that you're hearing and what
they're what they're being made by. So that was great advice.
But maybe I'll get around to that this summer or something.
But yeah, that's uh, that's It's definitely not something that's
easy for me. You know, I got too much of
an active imagination. It's gotten better over the years, but
I definitely have preferred the company safety in numbers like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and self preservation right. Uh.
Speaker 2: No, you know Derek Randalls encounter after playing a baby cry,
after hiking six seven eight whatever it was, I forget
now miles one way into where he was going and
then playing and blasting a baby cry. I don't know
if you've ever heard that him tell that or read
it anywhere. He was kind enough to let me include
that in my book for Bigfoot. But holy smokes, I
mean that is that's on the no list, that's on
the no thanks list. That and guess what, he's still
he still goes out. He still does his solo hikes.
And I'm not talking about a little half mile up
a hill and back down. You know, this is miles
and miles into the into the bush. So he is
a different breed. He's like a mountain goat.
Speaker 1: Uh So he actually but he actually told me that
story personally as we're talking on the phone and not Yeah,
that takes a whole set of uh nerve to get
to do what he did. But and also there's a
testament fact that he's still doing that and he's still around. Right,
So if you're gonna go deep into Sasquatch territory and
uh presumably Sasquatch territory and do things like that, I
don't think he does that anymore. But just being there
it says a lot is for in terms of like
how dangerous these creatures can be if you're able to
continue to research and not go missing, you know, So
that I guess the plausible argument is that Sasquatch are
pretty benign. But then again, you have my imagination and
we'll watch like Missing Ford Wile one videos or why
or you know, read the books on that, and just
trip out and think, Okay, well this case, this guy
was abducted by a sashquatchs no getting around it, you know,
or or whatever. Just my imagination will go there anyway,
Go ahead, Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2: Want to get turned into a Louisville slugger against a tree,
do you.
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, doesn't sound very pleasant.
Speaker 2: Actually, so when because much like myself, I haven't seen
a bigfoot, but I've heard several extremely interesting things that
I just can't really explain, and that really really lit
the fire for me. I still feel like I need
to see one to know for sure, to know one
hundred percent. I'm not one hundred percent, but I would say, however,
many more percentage each time I heard something strange at
these different locations I've been, it really bumped the percentage
up for me. So when you that first night you
hear that screen behind you, guys, did that really for
you go oh, oh my gosh, Actually, I really now
think they could really be out there. Or were you
already at that point before that.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say it pushed me any closer to
the like the believability factor, because I'm a I'm a
already there, like already about ninety ninety five. And I
just and I just based that on all the different
accounts that I've heard of and you know, the you know,
the stories I've heard of and the you know, the
shows I've watched, the the stories that you know, the legends,
like every Native American tribe has talked about this creature.
I mean, the stories go way back that the existence
of this creature. The Patterson Gamblin film, you know, started
it all for me. So I was pretty much as
far the only thing that will push me to one
hundred percent would be the actually see the creature. But
when I heard that scream, it was you know, it
wasn't so much like, oh yep, let me go, uh
it exists. It was just more like, you know, it
was very surreal. It was almost like I couldn't believe
that this was happening. My first night on this Bigfoot
Research Organization expedition, and we hear that thing, we hear
that noise. It was just a surreal moment. And then
I was tripped out because the dude next to me,
he looked like he hit just seen a ghost. He
was so terrified, eyes were just just he was just
like panic striking almost. But yeah, so no, I'm pretty
much it didn't really change my thought pattern. The only
thing that's going to do that is going to be
to see see the creature. And I don't think there's
gonna be anything this video you mentioned, whatever, this hoax
proven it to be a hope video you mentioned the
beginning of this interview. I don't think that's gonna if
I watch it, it's not going to detract where I'm
thinking whatever. You know, it's not gonna out you know,
it's not gonna wipe out that Oh no, hundreds of
years of experience and stories and no, that's.
Speaker 4: Just for the PG film.
Speaker 2: That's where people need to but that's also people that
are not in the big community at all. To be fair,
that's just people going of course it's fake. The PG
film is fake, So it's all fake. Well we know
that's not true. They just they haven't taken five minutes literally,
just take five minutes and look at it. So, uh oh,
I lost my train of thoughts. If you saw one
if you actually end up seeing one. Have you thought
about the varying degrees of brown pants moments that people
have had from I don't need brown pounds at all,
because I was in my car and it was close enough.
I know what it was, but I felt safe to
full on. It changes your entire life to where you
never want to go out into the woods again, all right.
Speaker 1: So i'vet I've thought about that multiple times because in
the writing of my book Went Missing, there are there
are experiences, there are moments in there's incidents there. You know,
there are there are scenes were the main characters he's
up in the Yukon by himself, he's looking for his
brother and he's finding evidence that points to sasquatch, And
so I've thought a lot about that also, of course,
you know, I've gone hunting around here, scouting a little bit,
you know, with a by myself. But that's like that's
where I'd have the unnerving experiences of being out there
and start thinking about this, like what if what if
you know, I came across Like what if it's true,
what if I was hiking in the woods and I
came across you know, a monster, a creature that's like
at least eight feet tall, you know, a thousand pounds,
you know, scary looking face. What if I'm just sitting
there at a creek and I'm when it comes walking
through the trees right by me. You know, I can
imagine the total fear that that would overcome somebody. And
I've heard stories where when people have claimed, like hunters
have claimed that they've seen one and they described like
many multiple times I've read across where if someone has
described that the fear that hit them when they saw
this creature was like a primal fear. It was a
fear that was unlike anything that they've ever ever experienced,
like this weird carror kind of thing. And so I've
really thought a lot about that because you know, I'm
as a writer, I'm trying to generate you know, that
kind of emotion for the reader for certain scenes. And yeah,
so I probably wouldn't have that same exact feeling if
I saw one, depending on well, definitely if I was
by myself, If I was a group of people, I'd
probably be okay with it, like, yeah, that's cool, But
if it was I was by myself, And also depending
on how far were how far way it was. You know,
it's like way over there in the hills and you
can see it going up the hillside versus just it
stepping out in front of you by you know, a
group of trees. So yeah, I can see I can
see myself being quite unnerved. It was an up close
they could call it a Class A siding, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, there's varying a million different permutations for
Class A sidings. And of course the brown pants moments
was a nod to the great Will Jebning and his
underwear changing moments. Type of type of situations that you
don't want, you know. I've talked to a few people
that have they've been hunting or hiking, whatever it is,
and they say, off in the distance, there's something strange
over there, and they have binoculars, And I think that
is a wonderful way.
Speaker 4: To have a confirmation siding.
Speaker 2: Because you have the binoculars, you're gonna know exactly what
you're looking at. And you need the binoculars, so that
means you're far enough away where you're not gonna get
turned into a Louisville slugger. So I think that's a
great sighting, along with maybe a you know, a road
siding in your car, although we've heard people go, if
it wanted to, it would have just rep the doors
off and plucked me right out of there, right like
a little little burrito. Just And that's what I think
of when people have these. Now, this is a bad one, right, Chris.
You're at a campsite and one of them comes in
and is poking at you tent or you know, I've
talked to somebody that was like touching the toe through
the eagerly go No, now I'm actually literally a burrito
for this thing. And that's where your mind goes. You
just you can't help it, because you do wonder if
there are the Bigfoot that choose, whether they're hungry, whether
they don't care about the if there's quote unquote big
Foot rules that they follow. You don't take the hairless
things because then more hairless things come and it's get
all up in our living room. But maybe some of
them don't care, or maybe some of them are that hungry.
And I get it, I get where your mind goes
with that. You're going, I don't I don't want that
to be me.
Speaker 1: No, like in that when I was there on that expedition.
The tent that I had was a little small, single
person I just called a bubiac whatever. It's a small tent, right,
like you lay there and the and the top of
the tent like like you know, yeah, six stations from
my face. I couldn't help. I actually had to like
put in a little earbud and listen to music to
fall sleep, because just to put out, you know, put
out the sounds, because I was I was a little
bit tripped out when I heard that scream, right yeah,
and I imagine like, yeah, I've a bigfoot was desperate enough,
it's gonna throw that me and my whole tent over
its shoulder and head off into the trees, right or
getting back to your common if you're seeing if you're
seeding one, you're out hiking and you see one in
the distance and you're looking at it and through the binoculars,
I'm like, yeah, that's great, but how far are you
from your car? Like are you three three days up
into the hills? You know that kind of thing. I've
done backpacking trips. You know we're out three days out,
you know, so yeah, so like those are the things
that go through my mind. I'm like you know, if
I saw one, you know, where's my escape rout? Don't
get you know, even it's five hundred yards away from me.
Where am I from my car? So yeah, it's definitely
one of those things I've thought about. It can be
it's you know, I don't know, it's like there's like
a weird terror that comes with the creature. Then again,
you guys, you have guys like Derek Ryandalls and Shane
Corson who are out on the hills by themselves multiple
times they're doing this and they're still there's still alive
and rereading as far as I know. So it's probably
just the overactive imagination, which least I'm putting into good
use by writing books right.
Speaker 4: Aim into that.
Speaker 2: And speaking of that, I think this is a great
place to let everybody know where to find your books.
And of course please mention your website because you said
that people can also contact you through the website.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can access my books on Amazon, Barnes
and Noble wherever you want if you know the name
of the book author Chris Riley. I've got five Novels
went Missing as the first novel of the Sam Nolan series,
and it delves into as I met as we talked
about the Bigfoot, some of the Bigfoot legends. The second
that series is called wild Man, and it's sort of
like a little I don't know, it's similar to the Deliverance,
the movie Deliverance. I'm pretty gritty, and there is some
elements in there that I incorporated that I had picked
up off on some of the missing person's stories out there,
But it just it doesn't talk about it's not about Sasquatch. Yeah,
or Amazon, you know, has my novels. I have a
science fiction novel under C. H. Riley. It's called The
Sound of the Future, and it's pretty dark dystopian novel.
I'm a pretty prolific writer. I write in multiple genres
and and my website is Chris Riley author dot com
and that's a good place to contact me. Also, look
at some of the stuff I've done. I'm not too
tech savvy, so it's nothing to be impressive about. But
but yeah, so you know those are short, truncated version
of my writing experiences.
Speaker 4: Well, Chris, I thank you so much for reaching out.
I know that you saw my posts. You're like, I
will come on and tell you some big Foot stuff,
and I really appreciate that. I just love talking about
the big guys. And if you and I'm hoping that you.
Speaker 2: Do, but I hope that it's not levelton underword changing
moment that you get to.
Speaker 4: See a bigfoot.
Speaker 2: But if you do, please come on and share it
here with us for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be one of the first to hear hear
from me if I have another experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much, Chris.
Speaker 2: Absolutely so that is chrisreileyauthor dot com and the books
on Amazon.
Speaker 4: Thanks Chris, yep, thank you.
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and my profession producing the black but it says forget it,
that's not that's something for story, that's all gone, that's
all pass. I want to see the really you who
are now. But nobody knows who their names.
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egos and consulting our memmbers.
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this question.
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buy the cos to get you to come out of
your show and find out.
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that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different
living somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this that
if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that you're
the same person at.
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past hasn't existence, The future doesn't existence.
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does not become sum.
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where he says, when you've settled down in the train,
you can read your newspaper and.
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live in the plant. If you think you are, you
are linking your moments up in the check and this
is what binds the wheel of both. But when you
know that every moment of which you are is the
only moment. This counts intos and the Master will say
from somebody, I can't have a book acrost the rock
and it can't be back. And he says, where up
with me?
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a kind of recitation of an instrums
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