WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:06.879 Dark Destinations may be end Times Night's creature. 2 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:09.919 Why would a few more casually struggle. 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.519 Me because of their blood? Will join yours a. 4 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:14.320 Radio drama anthology. 5 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.839 You are wrong how you figure Every mark on Mongo 6 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:18.679 is hunting you down. 7 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:21.399 Not you, your partner, he said, I didn't have a 8 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:21.960 ray gun. 9 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:27.039 Full cast performances set in the haunted corners of the globe. 10 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:31.960 Darkness is coming for you. That's the fear that taunts me. 11 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:46.399 Dark Destinations by fatherm Alone at Weirdingwaymedia dot Com. 12 00:00:46.640 --> 00:01:11.280 Weird Billy Ray was a preacher's son from where his 13 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:15.239 daddy would visit. He come alone one to gather around 14 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.560 his daughter talking cousin, really would take me a walk hander. 15 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:20.560 To the backyard. 16 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.280 We go Walkndre. Then he look into my hand. 17 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:28.599 Laura knows the massive fact. The only one who could 18 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:31.719 ever teach me what does son of a preacher man, 19 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:35.640 The only vone who could ever teach me what? The 20 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:42.079 son of a preacher man who won't he won't. 21 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:51.239 Welcome back Midnight viewers to Anthologies Attack, where we sample 22 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:55.239 the anthologies of every media and genre. I am your host, 23 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.760 father alone and with me as always as my co host. 24 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.519 The director of Space and detective to Antonio Lapour, how 25 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:04.239 are you, Antonio a Padre? 26 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:05.159 How you doing today? 27 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:09.479 I'm doing well, and today we are taking a look 28 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:12.080 at one of the most obvious anthologies, one of the 29 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:15.599 most popular anthologies, if not the most popular anthology of 30 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:19.039 all time. So obvious? How did we not see it before? 31 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.479 This one came out October the fourteenth, nineteen ninety four, 32 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:28.280 Directed by Quentin Tarantino, Written by Roger Avery and Quentin Tarantino. 33 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:29.520 This is pulp fiction. 34 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.479 Miramax Films is proud to present one of the most 35 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:41.840 celebrated motion pictures of the year, the winner of the 36 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:46.599 nineteen ninety four Palm d or the Best Picture of 37 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:48.199 the can Film Festival. 38 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:56.080 Come on, just getting a care? 39 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:01.199 That's that interested in going out of town? I'm sorry, 40 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:03.719 and he asked me about take care of the lot 41 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:04.199 is gone? 42 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:05.840 You take care of me. 43 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:09.120 Man, just may short a good time. We'll shut you 44 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:09.719 don't get around. 45 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:15.800 This is a more testic one. 46 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.560 I do believe Mark Dallas, my husband, your boss told 47 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:20.319 you to take. 48 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:21.840 Me out and do whatever I wanted. 49 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:25.479 You can. 50 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:27.439 Night of a fight. 51 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.719 You may feel a slight stak. Try it only hurt. 52 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:32.560 It never helps. 53 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:37.319 Your hand slopes down. I have to say, play the 54 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:38.520 match as you get found. 55 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:44.800 You could have sat the deal a lot of danger 56 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:45.360 on Twitter. 57 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:47.360 I'm prepared to start for. 58 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:53.520 Oh, I'm sorry? Did I break your concentration? 59 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:55.520 Get down? 60 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:58.520 You got a corpse in a car minus say heading 61 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:10.039 the garage? Take me too? 62 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:14.080 Don't you hate that? Hey? What uncomfortable? 63 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:20.120 Silences John Polson, Samuel L. Jackson, Uma Thurman, Harvey Kaige, 64 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:26.439 Jim Rock, Amanda Plumber, Maria de Madeiras Bing Rings, Eric Stalks, 65 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:31.279 Rosanna Marquette, Christopher Walker, and Bruce Willis. 66 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.560 Looking So for Friends Friend looking. 67 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:48.199 A new film directed by Quentin Taranteter, Oh, fiction about friends? 68 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:49.759 Best, of course you're gonna do that. 69 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:52.120 Basically, I'm just gonna walk there. 70 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:56.040 What's you mean, walk to Earth? You know, like Caine ful. 71 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.480 Miserly for everybody surf music Ray. 72 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:07.720 Had in the movie. 73 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:09.600 No, not at all. That was just kind of the 74 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:13.000 genius part of it. Antonio, What is your history with 75 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:13.920 pulp fiction? 76 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:16.079 Well, considering I. 77 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:19.839 Was a teenager there getting into college studying film at 78 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:24.240 the time, every other film school nerd this movie was 79 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.319 the bible at that point, Like it was the biggest 80 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.399 thing since Jesus, Like every dorm room that I went to, 81 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:33.439 every apartment somebody had. 82 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:38.680 My very own bedroom had that fucking poster on the wall. Yeah, 83 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.920 I am holding right here the published screenplay of pulp 84 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:44.120 fiction Hooray. 85 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:46.920 Which everybody had, which is obviously not the screenplay. It's 86 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.240 just pretty much a transcription of the liquid. Still, everybody 87 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.519 had this. Although she was huge, man, it was it 88 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:57.480 was life. I saw it with my almost girlfriend at 89 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:02.120 the time, joscely and and uhu leu intellectual nerdy girl too, 90 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:05.600 and we went had pine cigarettes and coffee afterwards. 91 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.079 And talked to like four hours about the brilliance of 92 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:11.639 this movie, like what it did at the time. 93 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:12.959 It was it was. 94 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:18.040 Revolutionary that normal people saw this kind of movie. 95 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.160 This kind of movie has existed before, non linear and 96 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:24.600 stuff like that, like it's been there, but it was 97 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.680 the first time like suburbanites and city folk and the 98 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.360 US went about this thing that weren't. 99 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:31.839 From like Greenwich village or something. 100 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:36.040 I think it's the first time mainstream audience has got 101 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:40.240 a whiff of like how interesting film can be and 102 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.439 how am on guard it can be, at least for 103 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:43.399 the first time since the. 104 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:48.680 Seventies, would you say, avant garde was more palatable to 105 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:53.079 them because this was somebody tanking all the detritus that 106 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.680 cinema and snobs had turned their noses up at, and 107 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.720 he made that accessible but shot through kind of an 108 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:01.879 artistical lens. 109 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.519 Yeah. Absolutely, man, It's there's a thing. 110 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.360 That's something I mean, I've always wanted to strive for 111 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:08.279 with my work, and now that we're starting to make 112 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.120 some stuff come out, I've always wanted to strive for 113 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:16.319 being able to bring highbrow to everybody, like, hey, look, 114 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.600 this is like this great stuff here that that you're 115 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:19.839 not kind of catching onto. 116 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:21.240 Let's have a look at it. 117 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.800 Let's let's take a look at I don't know, maybe 118 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.000 I'm sounding a little pretentious, but I like the idea 119 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.720 of everybody being able to enjoy art and stuff that 120 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.879 comes may come across this pretentious or Americans aren't gonna 121 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:34.160 get new wave French cinema. 122 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:36.839 But if or or they're not gonna get Fellini. 123 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:41.279 But if Tarantino's kind of reinterpreting these kind of ideas 124 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.560 that these old masters came up with and and putting 125 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.120 a pop culture felt into a pop culture lens, I 126 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:52.319 think it helps people like Wow, I can understand complex things. 127 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.879 Not everything has got to be straightforward. Even George Lucas 128 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:57.800 kind of did that as I'm wearing an extreme fighter 129 00:07:57.879 --> 00:07:59.399 T shirt with Star Wars. 130 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.680 He kind of took stuff from Carosawa and and and 131 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:06.639 and mythological studies by Joseph Campbell and worked it into 132 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.879 the most pop culture, mass consumable thing ever. But people 133 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:12.800 kind of understand to hear it was journey out a 134 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:14.759 little bit more. Could you explain it to them in 135 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:16.240 terms of Luke Styel Warner, Oh. 136 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:16.560 I got it. 137 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.879 I think your parallel to George Lucas is the most 138 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:25.759 apt one of all time, because why George Lucas worked 139 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:30.800 was because he and his ilk the movie Bratt Generation, Spielberg, 140 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.360 de Palma, not so much Copola, but you know, the 141 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:36.919 the usual suspects. But Lucas in particular said all the 142 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:41.360 B movies. I like the B movies more. Let's make 143 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.679 a movies out of those B movies. 144 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:46.840 And that's what Yeah, you know, I used to say 145 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.279 that when I was in school, and with my friends said, yeah, 146 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:50.720 that's a great way to look at it. 147 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.279 And I'll argue the Coplat well he made he took 148 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:55.399 the B move The Gangster Movie was a bing movie, 149 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.360 maybe a B plus movie because Warner Brothers had made 150 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.120 a bazillion of them. But you know, and he made Godfather. 151 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.039 But yeah, it's definitely the elevation of the. 152 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:09.360 B movie into into into the mainstream making making art 153 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:12.120 out of what people consider trash. Even Dick Donner when 154 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.960 he made Superman, his whole point was, I want to 155 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.840 make something like this, like a John Ford movie, not 156 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.120 not George Reeves flying around on waters. I want you 157 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.360 to believe this guy's flying. I don't want Superman who 158 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.120 look foolish. I want him to look like an American ICoD. 159 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.279 And you see all the Kansas stuff in that movie, 160 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:31.080 John Fortone, I. 161 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.720 Think we can both agree that after nineteen ninety four, 162 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:38.480 the cinema landscape was sort of irrevocable, irrevocably changed by 163 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:39.080 pulp fiction. 164 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.679 Oh absolutely, for for for good and bad. 165 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.039 Because for all the positive and influence from that, movies 166 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:47.759 like Train Spotting Out, which I think is the other 167 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:51.360 great masterpiece of the on the nineties, on the mid nineties, there. 168 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.000 You spawned a lot of lave Mass wannabes. Though there's 169 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:57.879 a lot of eight Heads and Duffel bands, in two 170 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.200 Days in the Valleys, and all of those movies. 171 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.519 That I'll try to take the ensemble and here's some 172 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:06.519 wacky crooks and we're in la and here were and. 173 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:09.320 Only pulp section pulls it off. 174 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.039 One of those films that you're mentioning was One Night 175 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.960 at mccool's, who my late wife Jessica believed to be 176 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:22.279 the worst movie ever made, just period. Is that the 177 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:24.000 one that he didn't know was that the one that 178 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:27.159 the Tarantino no you're thinking, no, you're thinking of destiny 179 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:31.200 turns on the radio. Okay, no, no, no, this one 180 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.840 is with Michael Douglas. It is a bald faced Clinton 181 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.279 Tarantino rip off a film. There were a lot of 182 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.240 movies that came out at the same time that all 183 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:46.840 shared the same sort of seventies exploitation film as high 184 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:55.200 art aesthetic, and because Tarantino broke through nobody's business, everyone 185 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.279 kind of became an imitator of his, which was not 186 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.600 true for the sort of firs the at least the 187 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.639 early half of the nineties. I don't think anyone was 188 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:07.639 trying to ape his style, but certainly in the latter 189 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:10.960 half of the nineties. Oh yeah, it was a waste 190 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:12.919 Land of Tarantino clones. 191 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:17.919 Was that Suice Kings and Oof and things that do 192 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.159 in Denver while you're dead? 193 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.360 Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 194 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.759 you take that back. No, I no, I read that 195 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:29.840 one long before pulp fiction. No, no, it's the meme play. 196 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:33.519 The screenplay was was this unproduced spec script that was 197 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.279 being passed around Hollywood when I when I had first there, 198 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.240 I moved to la in nineteen ninety one. Here's my tent. 199 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.039 Here's my experience with pulp fiction. I moved to Los 200 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:45.519 Angeles when I'm in nineteen ninety one, and I got 201 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.879 a job at a movie theater in Cinta, Monica. It 202 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:51.320 was a two screen house, an art house cinema calendar 203 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:55.000 at first, and then we started showing new releases because 204 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:59.320 independent films sort of started getting real big and Kim. 205 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.360 One of the first movies I showed as a projectionist 206 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.159 was A Reservoir Box. So I've seen that movie seven 207 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.799 million times. If it was on the screen I was watching, 208 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.200 I played the soundtrack in between, like I read the screen. 209 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:17.720 And at this point I had enough friends in the industry. Yeah, 210 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.679 I had enough friends in the industry. Then I could get. 211 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:23.759 I was getting screenplays that the screenplays that you heard 212 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:27.879 were being passed around. I was so one of them 213 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.200 I got was Things to Do in Denver when You're Dead, 214 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:34.720 which I maintain could never be made into the movie 215 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:37.559 that the script promises because the script was so fucking good. 216 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.480 Oh yeah, yeah, tells that the movie was kind of 217 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:42.799 like up and down, up and down. Yeah. 218 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.600 And the problem there is the direction, because that cast 219 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:49.360 is really fucking good and the writing comes through in 220 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:51.720 a lot of ways, but there's just something off about 221 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:52.120 the film. 222 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.159 Yeah, you can't beat the Iron Godzilla. You are Japan, 223 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:57.879 No man, Jean Williams of the. 224 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:01.320 Best performance, critical Billy critical. 225 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.480 Bill, that's right. Everybody then had the names gentlemen? 226 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:05.600 Was it? 227 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:06.840 What was his name? Gentleman? 228 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:07.080 To me? 229 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.279 The saint, that's right. So one of the scripts I 230 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.720 was able to read was Pulp Fiction. I got it 231 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:18.559 about a year before the movie came out. Wow, So 232 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.120 I was primed for the movie. And oh another one 233 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.039 I got to read before it was made was Natural 234 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:25.840 Born Killers, And I have a whole story about that. 235 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.960 Well we can talk about on another podcast. But so 236 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:32.120 I basically if Tarantina had a script out there. I 237 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:35.159 was able to get my grubby hands on them, including 238 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:39.080 True Romance, which this was still pre True Romance. On 239 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.840 the last day we were showing Reservoir Dogs, Tarantino and 240 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:48.399 Alison Anders came to watch it, and I came downstairs 241 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.240 because during the run of the film, every one of 242 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.120 the Reservoir Dogs had stopped by to watch the movie, 243 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.080 and they all had signed the Reservoir Dogs poster. So 244 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.759 I brought it down for Tarantino to sign, and he 245 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:06.639 did and then was standing with me alone in the 246 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.639 lobby for a while and thanked me for all the 247 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.279 TLC on keeping the print looking as good as it did, 248 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:15.639 and then we talked about that for a little while, 249 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:17.840 and then I told him that I had read Natural 250 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:21.080 Born Killers, and he was sort of taken aback a while, 251 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.240 you huh huh, like how did you read that? But 252 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:28.600 then immediately went into what do you think? And it 253 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.360 was his script, so it wasn't what we ended up getting, 254 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.320 the only sort of bastearized version. I liked his script 255 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:35.720 a lot. If it had been made as like a 256 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:37.840 two million dollar independent movie, it would have been fucking 257 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:40.799 awesome and not that bloated sort of student film that 258 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:41.320 we got. 259 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:44.759 A student though. It pretty good. 260 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.080 So I liked that pulp fiction script a lot. I 261 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:51.639 liked his movie a lot. And then I saw the 262 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:54.960 movie and I was not as knocked out by the 263 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:58.399 movie as everybody else. I liked the script a lot more. 264 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.440 And my problem with it was, and I think my 265 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.759 problem with most popular media is I have a problem 266 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.639 with the fan base less than less than the art itself. 267 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:12.039 Sure, I can, I can. I can understand that. 268 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:16.440 Because you can't imagine the frenzy in Los Angeles time 269 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.840 for Quentin Tarantino and for for this fractured timeline that 270 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:25.559 he invented some And the thing of it was, he 271 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:28.720 didn't fracture any timeline if you were to take if 272 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.600 you take pulp fiction and string it chronologically, it's not 273 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:35.279 really much of a movie at all. If you take 274 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.440 the movie The Killing, Stanley Kubrick's The Killing, which is 275 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.639 a fractured timeline, tells a story all out of order. 276 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:43.559 If you if you cut that into a linear timeline, 277 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.519 it's a fucking great movie. Still, because that's a movie. 278 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.840 What this movie is and why we're getting to discuss 279 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.440 it here, is it's an anthology it's started with some 280 00:15:53.639 --> 00:16:01.039 characters that sort of overlap, so I was less inclined 281 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:03.399 to think this movie was as genius as everyone was 282 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:05.919 sort of making it out to be like on that level, 283 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:10.519 and then on another level, it also came to light 284 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.519 that Quentin maybe didn't do all of writing on this movie. 285 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:19.080 Yeah, how how much do you think is Avery in that? 286 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.519 The legend is always that Avery just came up with 287 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:24.720 a little bit of the of the Butch story and 288 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.600 on that and then that was everything else is quite 289 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:30.519 I don't know, I can't I couldn't tell you. 290 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:32.759 I feel like there's got to be more Roger Avery. 291 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:35.960 And though well let's get into that, shall we. Yeah, 292 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:41.440 Tarantino and Avery buddies at video archives constantly. 293 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:43.919 Before we go on. What did you tell him? What 294 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:46.039 did you think about Natural Warren Killers? Would you tell 295 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:46.600 him what about that? 296 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.519 I told him I thought it was really good. And 297 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.559 then at the time, the rumor of casting was Michael 298 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:57.080 Madson and Juliette Lewis, and he was really excited about 299 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.679 Juliette Lewis, but he thought Michael mat And might not 300 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:04.880 work out. But it's basically should be him. Even though 301 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.240 he was at the time he was no longer going 302 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.000 to do the movie, and then I told him I'm 303 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:12.759 really looking forward to pulp fiction. And then that sort 304 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:15.440 of threw him, put him aback a little bit again, 305 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:17.559 and he said, oh, that that one's going to be 306 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:20.799 really good, and at which point Alison Anders rejoined us, 307 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.160 and then we talked about gas Stood Lodging because that 308 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:24.839 had also come out earlier in there, and I just 309 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:28.079 thought it was fucking fantastically she did. 310 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:31.000 She did greats in my heart right, Yes, that's a. 311 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:36.400 Great movie man, Yeah, me via Loka and yeah, yeah, 312 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:39.599 she's fantastic. Yeah, So yeah, it was. Yeah, it was 313 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:42.480 a weird sort of interaction with them. So then yeah, 314 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:44.359 and then of course I went in some pulp fiction 315 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:46.400 just like everybody else, and then I saw it again. 316 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:48.759 But I sort of treasured the script more than the. 317 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:51.680 Interesting What what was it about the script that you 318 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.000 liked more, that worked more for you on the page 319 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:54.680 and on the street. 320 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:59.119 It wasn't as clumsily directed as we ended up getting. 321 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:03.200 Wow, oh yeah, it's on the second movie. First time 322 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.039 with well, I mean, he had he had actors on 323 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:08.759 of No on Reservoir. 324 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:14.160 Dogs, Reservoir Dogs. Rizvore Dogs is a stage plane. It's 325 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.680 really it is. It's easy to shoot that movie. Yeah, 326 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:19.920 and that the artistic flourish of moving the camera away 327 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:23.279 from mister Blonde as he's taking the era off was 328 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:26.359 about as artistic as that movie got. Keep going new 329 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:31.160 wave wild here in pulp fiction, which is great. It's 330 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.799 great to bring a sort of European sensibility to American audiences, especially. 331 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:37.279 I'm like eighteen. 332 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:39.160 Nineteen years older when that came out, so for me 333 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:41.319 it was like I hadn't never seen anything like it. 334 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.599 I hadn't gotten exposed to anything European. Really pretty good 335 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:47.440 at the video store at that point, but everything was 336 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:50.960 guys the movie brats or orson Wells movies or something 337 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:54.400 like that. I hadn't gotten into any. 338 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:55.559 Any European guys. 339 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:57.880 And even until his day after, I like Felidi though 340 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:01.319 I do happens just even half is one of the 341 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:02.319 coolest things ever made. 342 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:04.440 And of course heavily referenced to this one. 343 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:12.920 Heavily so Avery Tarantino writing screenplays together, rewriting each other's screenplays. 344 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:15.680 Now they both put the same video they work did 345 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:16.880 they both work there? Okay? 346 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:20.960 Both working in video archives, right, So there's this pattern 347 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:24.440 of Roger Avery writing an idea in either abandoning the 348 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:27.279 idea or just writing some writing it to the point 349 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:31.079 where it's unsatisfying. Right, the idea is there, but the 350 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:33.880 movie is noted, and Tarantino con takes these movies and 351 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.519 rewrites them. So one of I think, I think it's 352 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:42.359 called Open Road. Basically that was a Roger Avery script 353 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:46.559 that spawned both True Romance and Natural Born Killers, like 354 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:50.160 initially that that was that was one movie. It was 355 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:53.720 about Clarence in Alabama on the run like killers, and 356 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.880 also the fictional versions of them were involved and anyway, 357 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:00.400 so Tarantino split those up and rewrote the made him 358 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.160 his own obviously, right, But Roger Avery's involved in both 359 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:06.920 of those. Right. They decide that they're going to make 360 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:09.720 a short film to get noticed, and then they think 361 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:11.640 that that's not going to get them anywhere, that they 362 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.839 need a bunch of short stories and they'll each direct 363 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.319 a segment of a film. They'll get a third. At 364 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:20.000 the time, the rumors it was going to be Adam 365 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:23.640 Riskin was going to provide a third third short film, right, 366 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:26.880 and that ends up not happening. They can't get it together. 367 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:33.440 Tarantino script ends up becoming Reservoir Dogs, and Avery's becomes 368 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.039 a script called Pandemonium Rains. After Reservoir Dogs is a success, 369 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.119 they get together in Amsterdam and they bring together all 370 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:46.200 of their material, right, and there's a segment of the 371 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:49.960 plot basically, Pandemonium Rains is about this boxer who kills 372 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:51.720 this guy in the ring and double crosis is a 373 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.400 gangster and he's got a gold watch that he needs 374 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:59.160 to get better, right, and then the whole fucking he'll 375 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:06.319 build the fuck in butch and yeah, right, so that's. 376 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:09.960 All in there. Pandemonium Rains is a terrible title. 377 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.680 Oh my god, it's the worst. And somebody, actually, I 378 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:15.240 think is making a movie called Pandemonium Rains right now 379 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.440 because they're trying to trying to draft off of the 380 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:20.200 is all. 381 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:22.559 Those all those movies we're talking about from the nineties 382 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.000 that we're trying to cash it on. The pulp fiction 383 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:27.440 thing was they all had terrible titles, all these really 384 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.759 like over overworthy titles and stuff, And I'm like, you're 385 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:31.799 ribbon off pulp fiction. 386 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:33.359 What the title is? 387 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:42.039 So Tarantino had in his pocket the Marcellus Wallace's Wife story. Okay, 388 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.200 he had that was going to be his segment when 389 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:47.799 they came back to this. So now the second segment 390 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:51.400 is the gold Watch. That's Roger avery segment. He's only 391 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:54.279 going to be writing it, not directing it. Now Tarantino 392 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:56.200 has to come up with the third segment. 393 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:56.599 Right. 394 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:01.480 Avery leaves Amsterdam believing that this is now pulp fiction 395 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:04.640 written by Quentin Tarantino and Roger Avery. He supplied the 396 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:08.799 third segment, the middle segment, right, Yeah, So Tarantino comes 397 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:15.519 up with the bullets not hitting Jules and Vincent's miracle 398 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:18.000 thing and then the gun going off, and that's the 399 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.759 consequence for the rest of that, right, Except both of 400 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.480 those gags were written by Roger Avery. Oh wow, or 401 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:32.839