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Speaker 1: John Murray joins us.

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Speaker 2: Now as we go behind the counter with him, John,

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what's going on, brother?

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Speaker 3: Two of the college football playoff games stink too?

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Speaker 1: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the college football.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've ruined bowl season. The ball games mean nothing,

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nobody cares. The bettings down I would imagine the TV

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ratings are down right.

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Speaker 3: In return, they.

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Speaker 4: Could at least give us a playoff that makes some sense,

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has all the best teams in it.

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Speaker 3: But they can't even do that.

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Speaker 2: And they're giving us a game that we've seen before

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too too. Yeah, the Alabama Oklahoma game, it seems intriguing.

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But Alabama backsliding. I mean, come on, what they did

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against Georgia last week and their most important game of

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the year was embarrassing minus three yards rushing where they

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clearly were just you know, scrubbed up and down the

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car pit there. And now they're going to Oklahoma and

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we saw that game going back what now, four weeks ago,

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where Alabama outgained Oklahoma by two hundred yards, but they

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had the turnovers.

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Speaker 1: That cost him.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really don't want to watch that.

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Speaker 2: There's not one opening round playoff game that I'm interested in.

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And you mentioned Oregon twenty one and a half over

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James Madison Ole Miss sixteen and a half against Tulane,

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And that would be a lot bigger if it was

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Lane Kevin and there wasn't all the drama going you

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know on there.

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Speaker 3: Tilane coach is also leaving, by the way, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and James Madison coach too.

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Speaker 2: And then you got Miami in Texas A and M, which, okay,

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that that's intriguing in A and M is a three

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and a half point favorite, but again you get.

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Speaker 1: Two psycho teams.

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Speaker 3: Really, I mean intriguing to who? Yeah, you know, I

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don't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I said, I'm not really interested intriguing

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in the sense it's a coin flip of who could

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win that game, just like Alabama Oklahoma. But it's you know,

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none of those four teams, Okay, Alabama, Oklahoma, Miami or

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in are winning beyond this week.

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Speaker 4: Probably not. I mean it's it's well A and M.

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Whoever wins the A and M game is going to get.

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Speaker 3: Destroyed by Ohio State.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, could Alabama or Oklahoma throw a scare into Indiana?

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I don't think so. I don't think that they could,

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but I could be wrong. I think you got Texas

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Tech Oregon is gonna be a good game, and the

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semifinals will be good, even like the ole Miss beats

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tu Lane and then we get a rematch of ole

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Miss Georgia. How did they not just slide Georgia into.

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Speaker 3: The two seed the SEC champions?

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Speaker 4: Of course, and because you know, it's easy to say

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it now, but at the end of the day, Ohio

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State's schedule really wasn't that hard, you know, like what

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were their big wins? I could argue that Georgia had

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a has a better resume than Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's no question about.

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Speaker 4: They won their conference, they beat Alabama, they beat Texas,

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they beat Ole Miss.

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Speaker 1: Saron wars every week.

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Speaker 3: Ohio State beat Texas too.

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Speaker 4: And then there are other two wins I guess were

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at Washington and at Michigan, and then they lost their

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conference championship game. But just looking at the two at

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Ohio State, George's got a better resume than Ohio State,

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no question. So why aren't they the two seed? If

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nothing else, just to avoid having two SEC teams playing

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the quarterfinals.

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Speaker 1: Don't have a lot of smarter people committee.

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Speaker 4: There was no common sense used in selecting the teams,

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in selecting the format, and in selecting the way they

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matched them up.

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Speaker 3: And I think they got a lot to learn from.

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Speaker 4: The Basketball Tournament Committee, the committee that I've been complaining

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about since I.

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Speaker 3: Was a little boy. They they do a good job

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of that.

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Speaker 4: It's harder now the conferences are so bloated, But before

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the conferences got so bloated, you couldn't play a team

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from your conference until the Elite eight.

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Speaker 3: That was a rule they had.

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Speaker 4: It's impossible now, but back in the day, that's how

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and the football Committee could do that. They could figure

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out a way to avoid these matchups. But they don't.

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They just well, they just throw them out there.

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Speaker 5: This is one of the times that they decided you

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don't penalize a team for losing your conference championship. They

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use it whenever, what about by you, I know, when.

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Speaker 3: It suits them.

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Speaker 2: Because it's not that statement and it was a close gut.

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That's a narrative that it's out there, but it's not true.

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But again, they can use it however they deem fit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I talked.

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Speaker 4: I did a show yesterday with Marco's friend Kelly in Vegas,

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and yeah, I think it's I think it's bs that

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Notre Dame's out of the thing. But forgetting about Notre Dame,

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just forget about them for a second.

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Speaker 1: No, no, we can't forget about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm protesting, but just protesting this why I'm wearing my

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Notre Dame shirt.

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Speaker 1: Look, I saw it, I was worried.

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Speaker 5: I saw it coming here.

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Speaker 1: That is why I wore Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: Because they bumped Alabama over Notre Dame, which was ridiculous,

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just so they could set this up.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the narrative to fit their message.

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Speaker 4: But why did by you fall be past Miami with

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their loss? Well, okay, Alabama also got to deroid and

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their conference championship, that's true. But BYU we knew they

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were phony to begin with. I know, hold on, I

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think I think EYU is phony. I don't think BYU

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could have done anything in the playoffs. But my argument

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was they played at a better conference than Miami, they

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had a better record than Miami, they made the conference

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championship game, which Miami did not, and they got knocked

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down because they lost a conference championship game that Miami

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didn't qualify for in a worse conference. Was BYU gonna

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do anything in the tournament. Absolutely not No. But you

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have to decide, are you trying to find the teams

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that are actually have a chance to win. In that case,

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you've got to include Notre Dame, or you're trying to

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find the teams that deserve it.

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Speaker 3: In that case, you got to include BYU.

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Speaker 1: Or you gotta include Texas or Vanderbilt deserve it.

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Speaker 4: I will Texas has to be in it if you're

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just trying to pick the winner. But I think I

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think the committee did a terrible job. If I worked

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at TNT and they were like, Okay, what's our what's

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our big primetime game Saturday night, it's JMU Oregon going

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up against Bears Packers at Soldier Field, And oh, by

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the way, JAMU is a twenty two point underdog.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Also, by the way, their coaches leaving for another

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job after the game.

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Speaker 2: So, by the way, let's insert another orderdiculous episode instead

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of that.

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Speaker 4: Right, it's ridiculous state. The College Football Playoff Committee does.

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Speaker 3: A terrible job.

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Speaker 5: Notre Dame should have been in and Alabama should have

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been out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Alabama. I think Miami and Alabama are

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the two that are really lucky to be in there.

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But going back to the first thing is like forget

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you gotta you gotta redo the whole format. Why is

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Tulane in there with two losses? Two losses and they're

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in there. B Yu lost one game in the regular

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season in the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 3: It goes back and I got no Big Twelve. I

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got no b Yu skinning.

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Speaker 2: It goes back to the courtesy in the obligations. Were

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obligated to have the best team. Of course, inclusion John inclusion.

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It is wait, it is It's the Make a Wish

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Foundation via sports.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. We want to make a team's

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wish that they could be there.

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Speaker 2: They actually think, and you know you're the perfect guy

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to answer this, right, this is what college football, this

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committee is thinking. We want you to watch the Sun

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Belt and the Mountain West and the American This is

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gonna get you.

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Speaker 1: To watch it. No, it's not. People are showing up

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in their own stadium. Have you ever seen the attendance figures?

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And you know better than anybody they're not betting on

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the Sun Belt. Well, I think one of the they

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want the inclusion.

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Speaker 4: I think a really bad argument I heard was somebody said,

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I forget which one of these chuckleheads it was, but

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somebody said that this is the only way these teams

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could ever get in. It's the only way they ever

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have anything to play for. That's nonsense. Cincinnati got into

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a four team playoff, they got into a fourteen play

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They got slaughtered.

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Speaker 3: Obviously. If there hadn't been conference requirements.

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Speaker 4: Last year, boy, the States still would have got into

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the twelve.

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Speaker 3: They would have made it. They would have lost, but

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they would have been in the field. That's not true.

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And if the only way these schools can get in

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is through.

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Speaker 4: Some active charity, which is basically what that argument is,

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then don't let them in at all.

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Speaker 3: It's just an active charity. This is this is a

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this is college football.

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Speaker 2: They don't care about the twelve best. Don't say it's

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the twelve best, it's it's the ten best. And the

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two courtesy invites.

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Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's pretty weak, and I

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think I think it's it's tough for a school like

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Notre Dame. They actually had a team that could have

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won the national championship. So forget about all the records

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and who beat who and all that.

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Speaker 3: The power ratings and the strength of schedule. That team

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actually could have won a national let's talk about that.

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Speaker 4: And they were healthy, right and their coach isn't currently

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awaiting trial somewhere and.

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Speaker 3: He's not leaving for another job. How are they not

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in the field.

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Speaker 2: The most accurate rankings is that College Football Power Index. Okay,

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do you know do you know what the top three

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college football power.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you if it was me, it would

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probably Ohio State, Indiana, and then either.

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Speaker 3: Georgia or Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame is three over Georgia. Yes, Georgia or Georgia,

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and Miami is seven.

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Speaker 3: I will say Georgia is really peaking.

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Speaker 4: I I I saw Todd Furman, who's a friend of mine,

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and he gave an interview before last weekend saying Notre

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Dame would be favored at all of those SEC schools.

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I can't go quite that far. I don't think they'd

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be favored in Athens. I do think that they'd be

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favored in Norman and College Station and Oxford, the three

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venues that are actually hosting first round games. I think

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Notre Dame would have been favored in all three of

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those games. I don't think they're favorite at Georgia, but

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it's debatable. But the fact that we're the fact that

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we're even talking about it shows that they had to

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be in the playoff and they're not. And it's just

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it hurts the field, it hurts it hurts the credibility

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of it.

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Speaker 2: And again we're talking about the opening round. We should

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be so excited. Just think how good this could be.

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We will be talking about this is wide open this year.

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It's not Ohio State and everybody else if we truly

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had the twelve best. Instead, we're talking about this nonsense

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of two undeserving and four ridiculous games on the opening weekend.

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Speaker 4: So I agree with you. I think it's bad. I

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think it's bad for business. At the end of the day,

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we're trying to draw a crowd in here to watch

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these games. Yes, when we get down to the semi

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final and it's Ohio State and Georgia, obviously it's gonna

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be great for business. But why aren't we doing that

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the first weekend? Why aren't we having Notre Dame play

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whoever in the first weekend?

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Speaker 3: Mark? Why are we watching all this and Tulana?

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Speaker 5: Why preaching to the choir we should be in there

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one hundred percent and I and I'm okay with Miami

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because I still put something. Even though it was the

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first game of the season and it was only a

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three point game, they did beat Miami. And if they

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have the same records, how do you how do you

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put the one over the other.

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Speaker 2: Miami beat Notre Dame with a field goal with a

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minute and six seconds left in the game. The stats

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were identical, and you had a miraculous touchdown by me

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and you had a an interception by uh, you know,

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the Notre Dame quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But bottom line is this.

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Speaker 2: You can't you cannot forgive okay, And no one has

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mentioned this in the committee, and you heard me say

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it for three four weeks. You have to penalize this

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team for losing at home to Louisville and at SMU.

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Those are two horrendous losses. And Notre Dame loses to

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two top seven programs weeks one in two by combined

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four points. No, you penalized that team in a crappy

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conference where they can't even qualify for their own conference

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championship game. They don't deserve to be in, so you

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should not be okay with them.

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Speaker 1: They stink.

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Speaker 3: Who's running the ACC these days? What do they do?

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What are they doing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami stinks.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think I wouldn't go that far.

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Speaker 1: Stink.

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Speaker 4: I think Texas A and M made the playoff because

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they had the easy secs edule and I'm watching, you

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know I made I made that reference to the coaching staff.

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A and M's coaching staff is being picked apart right now,

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you know. I mean, shouldn't that be a consideration. A

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team that's healthy has their full coaching staff. I think

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it should be.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I totally agree. I really it's so flawed

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it's ridiculous. Real quick, NFL, where are we seeing the shot? Still?

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Speaker 3: Is that still going on the NFL? NFL the way

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they played.

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Speaker 1: Disregard last night's games. Don't even talk about it.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: They played the Raiders again.

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Speaker 4: You know, Philadelphia's got some key key offensive and defensive

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lineman Hurt and Jalen Hurts doesn't look good.

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Speaker 3: So they played the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: They played the Vikings, they played Buffalo Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a.

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Speaker 4: Pretty intriguing game in the morning, Buffalo and h in

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New England. And they played the Rams Rams. They laid

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them five, they led them five and a half. They're

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six point favorite now against the Troy Tough. We finally

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have two good afternoon games. I don't think I've said

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that all year, because I did the TV sheet today

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and I was like, wow, there's that actually a decision

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to make in the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Here at the super book, we are going to go

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with Broncos Packers.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but that's the Rams lines a real good game too.

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That's not a layup decision.

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Speaker 1: It was that Was that a vote amongst the powers

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to be?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the vote was. I voted for it, and then

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I wrote it down like I submitted it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Buffalo in New England, Buffalo and the Chargers play

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the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: But I think I think there's more betting interest in Buffalo,

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New England.

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Speaker 1: Real quick mentioned those two games.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people will say, well, wait a minute,

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now you have two teams New England and in Denver

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the one and two seeds.

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Speaker 1: More than likely they're at home, but they're both underdogs.

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Speaker 4: Why well, I think in the Buffalo the Buffalo case,

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they've just been doing this for a long time.

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Speaker 3: People trust them more.

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Speaker 4: Also, we saw sharp money on Buffalo moved us to

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Buffalo favored. At Denver, people just don't believe in Denver,

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and the reason is because they don't score a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of points.

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Speaker 4: The higher power rating usually goes to those offense. Denver

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continues to kind of skate by. They win a lot

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of close games, mostly against bad teams. There still are

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there's a lot more doubters of Denver and of bow

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Nicks than there are of Drake May and the Patriots.

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