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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here looking him. Do the window now and
Speaker 2: I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 2: He is fit. Hello, hit the buddy out here? What
Speaker 2: quin on out there? I thought of a bit? Is
Speaker 2: about sixty nine? I don't know. Easy ann ount there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm walking right heady.
Speaker 1: All right, folks, welcome O guest to the show. It
Speaker 1: is Curtis from California. Welcome to the show. Man, Hey,
Speaker 1: hey doing, I am good. It is good to have
Speaker 1: you here. I've been looking forward to this. Let's get
Speaker 1: right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What
Speaker 1: in the world got you interested in the subject to
Speaker 1: begin with.
Speaker 3: I guess my interest only to from the fact that
Speaker 3: I actually had an encounter. That was the only thing
Speaker 3: we led me up to this point. And the funny
Speaker 3: thing about that is that I actually have an I
Speaker 3: did ital twin brother, and we both encountered this suspicion
Speaker 3: at the same time. But we looked at these big
Speaker 3: questions a different vantage point, which I'll let you know
Speaker 3: how that was. Doing the story and how it came about.
Speaker 3: This whole encounter was about a ten minute ordeal basically,
Speaker 3: and I called an ord because my encounter was an
Speaker 3: actual class A encounter, I guess is what they call it.
Speaker 3: I just found out about the difference what a Class
Speaker 3: A was versus a Class B. I didn't know what
Speaker 3: any of that stuff was until I started doing the
Speaker 3: podcast thing, started doing a lot of research. But like
Speaker 3: I said, it was like forty three years ago when
Speaker 3: we had this encounter. Just recently, me and my brother
Speaker 3: just started talking about it. Back in December or close
Speaker 3: to January when I started first talking about it because
Speaker 3: I joined these Facebook groups. What it is. I just
Speaker 3: wrote up my whole story on a word process of
Speaker 3: the thing I have. I just cut and pasted on
Speaker 3: over a dozen different Bigfoot pages. I guess you call
Speaker 3: them because I didn't know anything that my situation. I
Speaker 3: s thought it was just a one time deal and
Speaker 3: that was it. I've seen these programs, the Finding Bigfoot
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. That's the only basic thing that
Speaker 3: I looked at as far as anybody going out looking
Speaker 3: for bigfoot. I didn't realize that they're like hundreds of
Speaker 3: Bigfoot expeditions are out there just by normal people. I
Speaker 3: thought it was just the experts, But there's a whole
Speaker 3: lot of them out that I didn't realize. And I
Speaker 3: thought that California up through all the way up to
Speaker 3: Washington was the only states that really even had sightings.
Speaker 3: When I came out and started talking about it myself,
Speaker 3: I've discovered all this stuff. Welcome to the world of Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: It is a world in and of itself. And it's
Speaker 1: rad that I get to sit down and talk to
Speaker 1: somebody who's had a class a encounter like we're about
Speaker 1: to get into with you. That's their first introduction to
Speaker 1: these creatures. It's not something that's never happened. I've interviewed
Speaker 1: people before that their first clue that these things existed
Speaker 1: was when they had an encounter with them. But typically
Speaker 1: it's people that are into it their entire lives. They've
Speaker 1: watched all the shows in search of they've watched Monster Quest,
Speaker 1: they've seen the legend of Boggy Creek. But for you,
Speaker 1: you and your brother are out doing your thing and
Speaker 1: you have this encounter. That's why we're here. Let's get
Speaker 1: into that. Why don't you just take us back to
Speaker 1: where you were, what you were doing, and tell us
Speaker 1: what happened to you.
Speaker 3: This is back in nineteen eighty three is when we
Speaker 3: actually had our encounter. Then we go back as far
Speaker 3: as we're talking about that the Boggy Creek. That film,
Speaker 3: that was the only film that I actually got to
Speaker 3: see when I me and my brother were both about
Speaker 3: seven or eight, and this was about nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 3: so that was really our only time were even remember
Speaker 3: seeing anything about Bigfoot. But we just regarded that whole
Speaker 3: thing throughout the next whatever year is until in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty three when we were fifteen, and we just thought
Speaker 3: that was the one time, even that Boggy Creek film.
Speaker 3: I wasn't like I was trying not to believe it,
Speaker 3: but I was up in the air, so I know
Speaker 3: it was based on a true story, so I tried
Speaker 3: to give them a little bit of credibility about it.
Speaker 3: And I didn't know where that was at anyways, and
Speaker 3: I don't remember anything about it being in Arkansas until
Speaker 3: just recently. I just thought that was maybe somewhere here
Speaker 3: in California, and that's where that was. We moved to Rica, California.
Speaker 3: We moved around a lot when we were a kid.
Speaker 3: We have a younger brother and sister as well as
Speaker 3: my stepdad, and we did a lot of movie We
Speaker 3: moved around all over basically California and Oregon. We were
Speaker 3: born in California and then my mom got remarried in Oregon.
Speaker 3: We were a very low income family, but we never
Speaker 3: stayed once cool more than a year at a time.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we moved two or three times in a year,
Speaker 3: just because my dad didn't want to stay in one
Speaker 3: town very long. So we moved all over Oregon along
Speaker 3: the coast California through the Redwoods in the coast in
Speaker 3: trailers and apartment buildings, and that's basically our whole lives.
Speaker 3: So we were living down in Oregon for at least
Speaker 3: about three years at the time, and we decided to
Speaker 3: come back into California. And we have an ant that
Speaker 3: lived in Wayrika, California, which is just right over the border,
Speaker 3: about twenty miles from the Oregon border, right off the
Speaker 3: Interstate five, and that Interstate five rudge all the way
Speaker 3: from Mexico to Canada. But like I said, Wyrica's right
Speaker 3: there in the middle of the state as you're running
Speaker 3: down the I five there and then the mountain range
Speaker 3: just on the west side of the IGH five is
Speaker 3: the Klamath National Forest. The thing about that is that
Speaker 3: it runs into a few other National forests to go
Speaker 3: further down south as well. You got the Marble Mountains
Speaker 3: and you got the Trinity National Fourth. We also got
Speaker 3: the the Six Rivers National Forest, which another thing I
Speaker 3: just found out about where the Six Rivers National Forest.
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about where that Patty film led
Speaker 3: Gimlin film that was taking place. I didn't realize that
Speaker 3: that's where it was done. A kind of Bluff Creek
Speaker 3: right there, Like I said, when I started watching these
Speaker 3: shows and thing from way Rica, that Bluff Creek is
Speaker 3: only like sixty miles as the crow flies right over
Speaker 3: the mountain from where we lived, but it's over close
Speaker 3: to Mendosino. I've lived all along the Redwood myself, so
Speaker 3: I know that whole area pretty good. And I didn't
Speaker 3: realize that's where the film was taken. Of course, you
Speaker 3: know that leads all the way up into Oregon and
Speaker 3: just keeps going go up to Washington. All that's nothing
Speaker 3: but thick forest. Back in eighty three, it was just
Speaker 3: all you had was nothing but this logging roads. I
Speaker 3: think we had a couple of Indian tribes living up
Speaker 3: in there somewhere, but very few. There's no towns are
Speaker 3: all up there that I can remember. There's a happy camp,
Speaker 3: I guess it was. Yeah, that's not very far from
Speaker 3: Wai Rica. Now in way Arica, we're our aunt lived
Speaker 3: in an apartment complex herself.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: We were brought there just because our mom and dad
Speaker 3: wanted to drop us off there so they can go
Speaker 3: drive around California. They were gone for a couple of months.
Speaker 3: They left us our an anti apartment just a couple
Speaker 3: of blocks away from the main part of town, and
Speaker 3: there's a main street that goes parallel with the I
Speaker 3: five also, But where we were staying at the apartment complex.
Speaker 3: It's just a residential neighborhood, and it wasn't a real
Speaker 3: crowded neighborhood, but it was just a couple of blocks
Speaker 3: away from the main part town. And then where the
Speaker 3: apartment complex was right next door, just the north side
Speaker 3: of the apartment complex was an elementary school. Now, this
Speaker 3: elementary school, it was just a little kids. It was
Speaker 3: grades one through five, so they're pretty young kids that
Speaker 3: were there. So you have to school, and then there's
Speaker 3: no fence in between. There's no fence that separates the
Speaker 3: property of the apartment complex and the school. So for
Speaker 3: us go to the school, all we had to is
Speaker 3: walk out and just go around the building and just
Speaker 3: go walk right into the field, right into the schoolyard.
Speaker 3: And the reason why I bring up the schools because
Speaker 3: that's where we actually had or encounter. Like I said,
Speaker 3: but when we just got there, we were only there
Speaker 3: probably maybe a week or so when this encounter actually happened,
Speaker 3: and we didn't know the town dogs. Our aunt had
Speaker 3: only lived there just for a matter of months. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure how long she was there for. But we
Speaker 3: never been We've only stopped in the y records just
Speaker 3: to get gas or fuel when we're doing our traveling
Speaker 3: back and forth from Oregon. But we didn't know anything
Speaker 3: about the town. We didn't have any friends, we didn't
Speaker 3: know anybody. So we get there, me and my brother.
Speaker 3: We ended up just going down to the local city park. Actually,
Speaker 3: we ended up meeting a couple of kids that we
Speaker 3: ended up going to school with as well. And these
Speaker 3: two brothers. They were both twins, but they were fraternal twins,
Speaker 3: so they didn't really look alike. They didn't look anything alike. Now,
Speaker 3: me and my brother we look identical. We have a
Speaker 3: younger sister was about two years younger, so she was
Speaker 3: about thirteen, and she ended up having this a short
Speaker 3: term boyfriend that was there with us as well. There's
Speaker 3: a total of fix of us that are actually in
Speaker 3: the same place when we encountered these big foot So
Speaker 3: we're there just for a couple of days. And it
Speaker 3: was actually pretty hot, but it was during July, so
Speaker 3: it's very I know, the temperature was getting up the
Speaker 3: upwards close to one hundred and ten degrees out. The
Speaker 3: day that this happened was at night time. We had
Speaker 3: our dinner and we were waiting for the two brothers
Speaker 3: to show up. Anyways, we already had that plan. We
Speaker 3: didn't have actually what we were planning or doing or anything,
Speaker 3: but ended up coming over. They knocked at our door
Speaker 3: there where our was living, and me and my brother
Speaker 3: walked out, just went outside with them and just sat
Speaker 3: around chatting with them and stuff. And it was already
Speaker 3: getting dark at this point. There was probably about seven
Speaker 3: or eight. And then there was a certain point in
Speaker 3: time as we're sitting there talking. It was one of
Speaker 3: the other brothers that came up the idea of wanting
Speaker 3: to play guns. Basically, if I can go seek flash guns,
Speaker 3: I guess you'd say, because there was a team of three.
Speaker 3: We got three people on my brother's team and there's
Speaker 3: three people you know on my team. And that's where
Speaker 3: the story gets really weird because we see three bigfoots.
Speaker 3: And then I'll tell you about how confusing you got
Speaker 3: at the time. Well, me and my brother that were
Speaker 3: the captains of the teams. My brother ended up having
Speaker 3: the two brothers on his team. My team, I had
Speaker 3: my sister and her boyfriend, so that was the team's
Speaker 3: We flipped a coin. I won the coin toss, so
Speaker 3: it was my team that got to go and run
Speaker 3: and hide from the other team while that team had
Speaker 3: to count down from one hundred. Have doubts they did
Speaker 3: because for some reason they knew exactly where my team
Speaker 3: was hiding. Even to this day, I'm not sure. I
Speaker 3: think they just need to counter real fast and they
Speaker 3: just gave up after fifty or something. I don't know.
Speaker 3: My team when we started heading out and they were talenting,
Speaker 3: my team went all the way around the other side
Speaker 3: of the school. I guess I should lay out the
Speaker 3: hacks of school promises. First, you got the school house
Speaker 3: right there next to the right across from where the
Speaker 3: problem complex was. There's a street right there. Basically on
Speaker 3: the east side behind the school, you got a little playground.
Speaker 3: It's got the swings and the merryground roll that stuff.
Speaker 3: It's got a couple of basketball boots on a big
Speaker 3: cement slab. And further on the west side of that
Speaker 3: whole perimeter, the rest of that whole perimeter was a
Speaker 3: big soccer slash baseball field. Then over on the north
Speaker 3: west corner of that field was the baseball diamond begs.
Speaker 3: That's exactly where my team ended up going anyways. And
Speaker 3: then on that whole western side of the perimeter, there's
Speaker 3: a big there's like an eight to ten foot high
Speaker 3: chaining fence. Now this fence is pretty high, of course,
Speaker 3: is they had me at least eight to ten feet
Speaker 3: and I just went all the way from that corner
Speaker 3: where we were at. They ran all the way down
Speaker 3: the whole perimeter right with the property lines of the
Speaker 3: prototyal plex and the school was now beyond that fence.
Speaker 3: On the whole western side, there's nothing but just a
Speaker 3: big piece of property that was owned by the city
Speaker 3: who was undeveloped, and it probably went back about at
Speaker 3: least three or four hundred yards. And then beyond that
Speaker 3: the small residential neighborhood is one street. And then beyond
Speaker 3: that at the start of the hill there's a big
Speaker 3: cliff that you'd have to go up if you try
Speaker 3: to get that mountain, that's almost like climbing a cliff.
Speaker 3: So the only way to get up on that mountain
Speaker 3: for us was the road right next to the south
Speaker 3: side of the proper complex. That road goes right up
Speaker 3: to the cemetery. Now, the cemetery, you just walk through
Speaker 3: the cemetery and you get on the other side then
Speaker 3: has got a path. He just walks straight up to
Speaker 3: the pretty steat path that probably just about one hundred
Speaker 3: or maybe two hundred foot elevation by time to the top,
Speaker 3: and then you can walk across the ridge. Then it
Speaker 3: opens up, but you can see the whole town. You
Speaker 3: can see the I five when you look in east,
Speaker 3: and you can also see the department complex and the
Speaker 3: school grounds and everything. And then you can see Mount Shasta,
Speaker 3: which is about thirty miles from town. On our nice
Speaker 3: bright day, is real nice to look at. But back
Speaker 3: on the field, my team was behind the baseball dival
Speaker 3: we've got around there. We laid down, and then my
Speaker 3: brother and his team, they were just on the other
Speaker 3: side of the aproper complex on the school field. Basically,
Speaker 3: I'm not very far right there, next to the corner
Speaker 3: of the school, maybe seventy five through whatever. There's no
Speaker 3: light right there. There is light where the children's playground
Speaker 3: was right behind the school there, so that gave us
Speaker 3: pretty good lighting there. And then there were lights coming
Speaker 3: from the apartments, so that gave us some ambient lights.
Speaker 3: And there are millions of men of stars in the
Speaker 3: sky that lit up to sky Thief. It was actually
Speaker 3: brighter than I thought it would be. So they gave
Speaker 3: us pretty good to the ambient lights. You couldn't see
Speaker 3: clear detail if you're in any distance or whatever. So
Speaker 3: now we got my brother on one corner of the
Speaker 3: school property, and that I was over right behind the
Speaker 3: baseball diamond. So I start with my brother first, because
Speaker 3: he was the first one his team was the first
Speaker 3: ones to see these preachers. Basically, I guess he called them,
Speaker 3: I call him figures. Were already sitting around for a
Speaker 3: couple of minutes. I was probably the least sitting there
Speaker 3: for three or four minutes. I started to fall asleep,
Speaker 3: but my brother, they were sitting there there, just looking
Speaker 3: at each other and just contemplating. I tried to go,
Speaker 3: and they're supposed to come to try to find us anyways,
Speaker 3: but they're just hesitating, just waiting. This already closed to
Speaker 3: nine o'clock at night. The summers are already down right
Speaker 3: on their side of the school where it was dark,
Speaker 3: out in between the trees and the schoolhouse, and it's
Speaker 3: just a single story schoolhouse. Now we got three what
Speaker 3: do you want to call that subjects, And.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these.
Speaker 3: Messages started walking across the field, going towards that eight
Speaker 3: foot of fence I was telling you about. The three
Speaker 3: figures were walking now, my brother and them. They were
Speaker 3: looking at these creatures, but they weren't scared at all
Speaker 3: at this point. But they weren't really. I guess they
Speaker 3: must have gotten a shock at a certain point because
Speaker 3: once stuff they just walked out right in front of them, basically,
Speaker 3: and they're only about fifty feet away from where my
Speaker 3: brother's team and my brother was at now. All three
Speaker 3: of them were looking at these features as they were walking.
Speaker 3: Like I said, there's a lights on the other side
Speaker 3: of them from the playground and stuff. There's a couple
Speaker 3: of street lights out from the distance. Also that they
Speaker 3: knew for a fact what they were looking at was
Speaker 3: definitely in their eyes for sure, was a big foot,
Speaker 3: and that's what was in their minds. Even though they
Speaker 3: did say anything at first when they were laying down,
Speaker 3: they all just watched the these preachers walk right in
Speaker 3: front of them. The way my brothers tell me, there's
Speaker 3: no article of clothing whatsoever on these preachers. It was
Speaker 3: definitely furrey. They definitely had fur then they were like
Speaker 3: short hair for sure. There was no hair dangling from
Speaker 3: their arms or legs or anything. And thinking about them
Speaker 3: when they were walking across, these dick puts didn't even
Speaker 3: look at my brother's team at all at that point
Speaker 3: or even at this point. I don't even know if
Speaker 3: those dick puts acknowledge that they're there or not, I
Speaker 3: don't know. And as far as hide this concern. After
Speaker 3: all the discussion we talked about later, they're only about
Speaker 3: maybe six or a little bit over sixty tall, so
Speaker 3: if you're looking at them being a full size saf
Speaker 3: squats or whatever. But we came down the conclusion that
Speaker 3: they were probably juveniles because even the two brothers that
Speaker 3: were whether it's they were almost sixty tall themselves, it's
Speaker 3: kind of hard to tell because when they were walking,
Speaker 3: their knees were back a little bit too, so they
Speaker 3: had the slight bend in their knees. And they still
Speaker 3: look pretty tall. They look pretty muscular as well. They
Speaker 3: looked like there were three football players walking in the
Speaker 3: program basically, but they knew for a fact that they're
Speaker 3: definitely covered with further or hair all the way down.
Speaker 3: They couldn't see the bottom of the feet or anything.
Speaker 3: I know that if the hands were dark, so I
Speaker 3: don't know if they didn't tell me if they seem fingers.
Speaker 3: They watched these creatures go all across the field. They
Speaker 3: get to the eighth foot taming fence. There was one
Speaker 3: big fo that was a little bit bigger than the
Speaker 3: other two. When they got to the fence, the bigger
Speaker 3: one of the three, all he d is just he
Speaker 3: just reached up and grabbed the top of that fence
Speaker 3: and had a bar. I think it might have been aluminum,
Speaker 3: like a thick aluminum bar that goes all the way
Speaker 3: across the whole fence. So basically that creature just grabbed
Speaker 3: a whole that fence and in two different motions. All
Speaker 3: he did just went up and I guess he must
Speaker 3: have put the one foot on the top and just
Speaker 3: threw himself on the other side. And this is what
Speaker 3: my brother told me. At that point, the other two
Speaker 3: be put stay just walked the south towards the apartment
Speaker 3: call Pleques lying right there, but there's no fence, so
Speaker 3: they walked around the fence and they're on the other
Speaker 3: side there on that city property as well. And that
Speaker 3: one jumped over my brother's team and looked at each
Speaker 3: other my brother already knew exactly what he's looking at,
Speaker 3: but it was one of the other brothers that actually
Speaker 3: whispered out feels bigfoot at this time, they got really
Speaker 3: scared anyways, and they're already scared as they were walking
Speaker 3: across the field anyways, But once that they put jumped over,
Speaker 3: then they all three just jumped on. My brother's team
Speaker 3: just retreated back to the apartment complex and they stayed
Speaker 3: outside the apartments. They just stayed over on the other
Speaker 3: side there, looking towards our directions because they didn't hear
Speaker 3: us doing anything at that time. You know, back where
Speaker 3: I was at, this is where my story comes in.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I was already getting ready to follows step.
Speaker 3: I was laying down behind the baseball diamond now my
Speaker 3: sister and her boyfriend. I had my sister on my
Speaker 3: left side and on the other side of her was
Speaker 3: her boyfriend. I got quickly walking up to my sister
Speaker 3: nudged me on my side, and they told me that
Speaker 3: they see three figures walking in there were just as
Speaker 3: the other team. They said that, hey, the other teams
Speaker 3: were walking across the field from the school. Of course,
Speaker 3: then so I looked up. I wiped out my eyes
Speaker 3: a little bit, and sure enough we could see these
Speaker 3: figures walking across the field and they were about they
Speaker 3: were over one hundred feet away from us, so they
Speaker 3: just looked like silhouettes to us at this time. And
Speaker 3: I could see him walking across them. It was funny
Speaker 3: because when they were walking, I wasn't really staring at him.
Speaker 3: I was looking just looking back. Okay, it looked like
Speaker 3: I head towards the fence. So as far as we
Speaker 3: were concerned, those the other team, So it wasn't like
Speaker 3: we were looking for anything out of the ordinary. And
Speaker 3: we know there's three of them, so that was it
Speaker 3: for us. It was as easy as there should have
Speaker 3: been nobody else in the field at that time anyways,
Speaker 3: because we were playing a game, and that's banks in
Speaker 3: the area that I figured my brother was supposed to
Speaker 3: be at anyways, So who was not a shocking thing
Speaker 3: for us? Now behind us, right there on the eight
Speaker 3: foot fence, here's a mandate. That's where we actually decided
Speaker 3: to crawl through the gate to get on the other
Speaker 3: side where that property was at. But before we did that,
Speaker 3: when these figures, we got at least twenty feet away
Speaker 3: from the fence my sister and boyfriend that he wanted
Speaker 3: to get up and start running over towards and start
Speaker 3: blasting them away right off the bat. That wasn't gonna
Speaker 3: do it any good because that's still too far away.
Speaker 3: I wanted to have the element of the prize. Like
Speaker 3: I said, we're just playing a game. Whatever. But I
Speaker 3: just told that both of my team, my sister or boyfriend,
Speaker 3: then you know what our plabs should be. Just get
Speaker 3: on the other side of the fence and we'll crawl
Speaker 3: down the fence line, which is what we did. Now
Speaker 3: I've seen these creatures got to the fence, but we
Speaker 3: were already going through the mangate that I didn't feel
Speaker 3: the fence or hear the fence jiggle or nothing. Normally
Speaker 3: you'd hear if someone was trying to jump up there here,
Speaker 3: like some kind of sound, even though at this time
Speaker 3: I wasn't even thinking about that Anyways, were on the
Speaker 3: other side down we're now we're just crawling down with twitters.
Speaker 2: Some time.
Speaker 3: We went all the way down, about halfway down the
Speaker 3: fence line. We did it pretty slow, but we were
Speaker 3: just looking for the other team. We didn't know if
Speaker 3: they'd got over the fence somehow or whatever. But I
Speaker 3: was still looking on the other side, back on the
Speaker 3: school property too. I want to make sure they weren't
Speaker 3: crawling down nast side come and towards us. But I
Speaker 3: didn't see anybody. Like I said, we got down to
Speaker 3: about the I spot that I thought that they should
Speaker 3: have been the last time I seen them, And we
Speaker 3: were up on a little bit of an embankment where
Speaker 3: the fence I was at, like a little bit of
Speaker 3: a grade right there, a little slope, but it was
Speaker 3: just like three foot talled grass and weed. There's some
Speaker 3: sick showbry right down below from where we were at.
Speaker 3: There's also a bunch of grassy dirt mounds. I guess
Speaker 3: you'd call them just a little rolling hills dirt mounds
Speaker 3: of some sorts. They're all grassy too, is the whole field.
Speaker 3: Everything was just tall grass and weed about three feet tall.
Speaker 3: We didn't see anything, so we just stayed right we
Speaker 3: were at. We just rested against the offence. We have
Speaker 3: our backs against the fences, all three of us, and
Speaker 3: we're just looking up towards the mountains, past the community
Speaker 3: on the other side of that property. So after a
Speaker 3: couple of minutes my sister and her boyfriend, and all
Speaker 3: they're doing is giggling with detail there, and they wanted
Speaker 3: to just go play around anyways. They already let me
Speaker 3: know they're this boring. They didn't want to play in
Speaker 3: this game anymore, blah blah blah. But of course I
Speaker 3: just convinced them to stay at Hey, it's three out
Speaker 3: of three, we have to stay together, right, But they compromised,
Speaker 3: and they just said they came up the idea, we're
Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and call out in the grass, which
Speaker 3: we already know that they're giggling and laugh a little bit.
Speaker 3: I was glad to see him go. I didn't care
Speaker 3: about with it. I didn't want them to be around
Speaker 3: me because even right next to me, they're giggling so much,
Speaker 3: and the little touchy hewey deal is going on. I
Speaker 3: was getting annoyed by it. But when they suggested they
Speaker 3: wanted to go, they were just gonna go calling out
Speaker 3: in the grass, and they'll be my backup when something happens,
Speaker 3: or if something happened. Yeah, so they took off. I
Speaker 3: wonder we pay attend exactly which way they drink it
Speaker 3: off towards with Once they got in the grass. I
Speaker 3: pretty much lost all siding of them anyways, but I
Speaker 3: can still hear them giggling, laughing all the way. So
Speaker 3: they went out in the grass there and then and
Speaker 3: they were just like about another two or three minutes
Speaker 3: right and I kept telling them to be quiet and
Speaker 3: whisper yell. I was telling them that just keep it down.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to get caught. They just kept going anyways.
Speaker 3: This whole time, all I'm doing is just standing all
Speaker 3: the way looking down the fence line, just going all
Speaker 3: the way across, looking at the whole property. And I
Speaker 3: just turned. I had all the way down to the
Speaker 3: north side where we just came from. I'm just going
Speaker 3: back and forth. I had pretty good division no matter what.
Speaker 3: But like I said, we had this thick brush right
Speaker 3: next to right down from where we were, and then
Speaker 3: there was a dirt mound maybe twenty feet away from us. Now,
Speaker 3: as I'm doing this turning and stuff, I'll go slow too,
Speaker 3: So I was just wanting to make sure I wasn't
Speaker 3: gonna miss anything. So after a couple of minutes, like
Speaker 3: I said, my sister, and then we're in the fielding
Speaker 3: And now when I'm coming across I see two figures
Speaker 3: sitting on a dirt mound that twenty feet away from me,
Speaker 3: and they were right next to that thick shrubbery, and
Speaker 3: that shrub was only about maybe four feet high I'm estimating,
Speaker 3: but I'll still praying sick. You can't see anything on
Speaker 3: the other side of that particularly little dirt mound. But
Speaker 3: so now at this point, I'm not frightening at all.
Speaker 3: Just like I went back there, when I seen the
Speaker 3: figures walking across the field, I thought I was my
Speaker 3: brother's team. Now I'm just thinking that was just my
Speaker 3: sister or boyfriend. I'm still clueless of what's actually going on.
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking that's my sister or a boyfriend that
Speaker 3: giggling and stuff. The only thing that looked weird is
Speaker 3: the fact that the two figures were just staring straight
Speaker 3: at me without movie, not one movement. It just seemed weird.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to match the voices from my sister, and
Speaker 3: now it just didn't feel right. It didn't seem like
Speaker 3: even though I wasn't really that concerned with it, I
Speaker 3: just knew that those figures were sitting there like statues,
Speaker 3: just looking straight at me. Now, one time they ever moved.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of my shister, and I was giggling and
Speaker 3: laugh like that. You think they'd be doing a little
Speaker 3: bit more of moving around, and even this latches for
Speaker 3: about at least two or three minutes. I had an
Speaker 3: interactions with those two, even though they didn't come back
Speaker 3: with me. But I'm sitting and looking at him telling
Speaker 3: them to be quiet, and raise my hand at him,
Speaker 3: tell them to be quiet quite a few different times.
Speaker 3: I finally gave up on that. I'm just looking back
Speaker 3: down the north side of the back toward whe we
Speaker 3: just came from anyway, And then now I ended up
Speaker 3: back looking as I was just passing the two figures
Speaker 3: that were sitting right there twenty feet away from me.
Speaker 3: This is where it all happens. This is where another
Speaker 3: single figure came running around the back side of that shrubbery,
Speaker 3: and it was maybe five to ten feet behind the
Speaker 3: two that were sitting there. I wasn't concerned about the
Speaker 3: two figures yet at this point, I just thought it
Speaker 3: was my sister, and I just thought it was the
Speaker 3: other team. I thought it was the other team running around,
Speaker 3: and this thing was looking pretty fast and running and
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at it coming towards me, and I
Speaker 3: even realized how fast it was cold, because by the
Speaker 3: time I got on my feet, the thing was already
Speaker 3: coming towards me, and he got about ten feet from me.
Speaker 3: Before I could get on my feet. This figure stopped
Speaker 3: right there and looked at me. When I got on
Speaker 3: my feet, it turned his head to one side. It
Speaker 3: was almost wanting to communicate with me. Somehow. It wasn't
Speaker 3: being aggressive. I even feel no aggressiveness, so I wasn't
Speaker 3: scared of anything. And when it came up to it,
Speaker 3: it was actually bt that the knees a little bit
Speaker 3: when it was standing there looking at me. You know,
Speaker 3: you can't really see too much from the bottom down
Speaker 3: by the feet or anything. I just had some lightings
Speaker 3: from the houses and stuff from the distance house, I
Speaker 3: had the stars, so I could see his head. It
Speaker 3: was like almost kind of like almost a point basically,
Speaker 3: did you see the Patterson flok? I could tell the fur.
Speaker 3: It looked like a thick jacket that I could see
Speaker 3: the individual hairs, which again I felt as a jacket
Speaker 3: no matter what. But I could see the hairs glissing
Speaker 3: through the lights. I couldn't see his face because it
Speaker 3: was looking right straight at me, and even the figures
Speaker 3: there down in the little I actually disregarded them, but
Speaker 3: at this point, so when I got out my feet
Speaker 3: and I looked at it, and my interaction with this
Speaker 3: one was only about three seconds, so I had to
Speaker 3: remember all that stuff after the fact. But I do
Speaker 3: remember him pulling his head towards me in almosked like
Speaker 3: he wanted to reach out and trust me or whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking, Okay, I just wanted to start shooting now,
Speaker 3: So that's what I did. I started yelling at the
Speaker 3: other teams. The other team. I just started yelling at
Speaker 3: top of my lungs. Maybe not real super loud at
Speaker 3: that time, but I just started just going bang right now.
Speaker 3: Once I did that, the other two figures stood up.
Speaker 3: So now I'm thinking, okay, something is stepping out right now,
Speaker 3: because they all stood up. What really got me is
Speaker 3: when they turned around and then they started leaping away
Speaker 3: from me. They started leaping really high in the grass.
Speaker 3: They're looking pretty high. I could believe that. At this time.
Speaker 3: I went into a shock because I knew that I
Speaker 3: was looking at something that wasn't really human, because they
Speaker 3: weren't acting humans. For one thing, they didn't figure out.
Speaker 3: It look like they would be full placed as humans.
Speaker 3: They didn't make any noise the way they were looking
Speaker 3: back he when they were running go from me, they
Speaker 3: were just their torsos were looking back at me. I
Speaker 3: could still see them like one hundred feet away from
Speaker 3: me when they're getting closer to the residential neighborhood. But
Speaker 3: when they were leaking through the field, this is what
Speaker 3: I actually did go into shock. I just started yelling deer.
Speaker 3: And the only reason why I'm saying that I was
Speaker 3: in shock is because there's no reason why I would
Speaker 3: have been yelling deer in the first place. If anything else,
Speaker 3: I would say, Hey, it's the other team that's afraid
Speaker 3: of us, or just even any humans. I should have
Speaker 3: been saying, hey, just other people just running from us.
Speaker 3: But they weren't. They were not human. Because I could
Speaker 3: even see them even when they were running. I could
Speaker 3: see that they didn't have no article of clothing whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I could see their backsides. I couldn't see definition, but
Speaker 3: I knew for a fact that they didn't have any
Speaker 3: pants or show words or a shirt or nothing, but
Speaker 3: just all just color. And as far as color was concerned,
Speaker 3: they looked like they were either a dark brown or
Speaker 3: possibly of blacks. I didn't see any kids have red
Speaker 3: or anything in those colors book, so I was definitely
Speaker 3: a color of either brown or black. But as they're
Speaker 3: running and they're at least bus maybe seventy yards or
Speaker 3: so at one point where my sister and her boyfriend,
Speaker 3: somehow they're standing next to me, they didn't get the
Speaker 3: clear look. So those two were pretty much out of
Speaker 3: the pictures for us people identify these creatures. Even at
Speaker 3: this point, I was refusing to even think that they're
Speaker 3: Bigfoot because Bigfoot was not even on my radar at
Speaker 3: this point. I was still confused. Bigfoot didn't become in
Speaker 3: my mind at the time. I was just trying to
Speaker 3: figure out what it was. It was mass confusion. If
Speaker 3: I was yelling dear so loud. I heard my brother's
Speaker 3: team coming from the apartment complex from the other side
Speaker 3: of the field, right. I turned around, and I see
Speaker 3: my brother's team. I can hear him yelling something, and
Speaker 3: all I like to do is just I'm just looking around,
Speaker 3: and I'm just in a daze, trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what just happened. I'm still confused completely. I'm just totally inconfused,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know what to do, didn't even want
Speaker 3: to think. I was like, what the heck is now?
Speaker 3: My brother and his team finally gets up to the
Speaker 3: offense line about maybe ten or fifteen feet from us.
Speaker 3: The only thing I heard out of anybody I camemember
Speaker 3: with my brother or the other came, but all he
Speaker 3: heard was that we just saw bigfoot boom.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 3: Once they said that, that's when I experienced the most
Speaker 3: fear that ever felt in my entire life. Anytime since
Speaker 3: or even before that time, I've never experienced that kind
Speaker 3: of fear. And I wasn't the fear that they're gonna
Speaker 3: come back and get me. The fear was that I
Speaker 3: was standing that close to something that was supposed to
Speaker 3: be a mystical creature. I was just thinking monster at
Speaker 3: that point, because after watching that film, The Bargie Creak,
Speaker 3: the only image I got out of that is that
Speaker 3: this creature was very ferocious. There was a dangerous creature
Speaker 3: as far as I was concerned, and that sweet Why
Speaker 3: didn't think of them as getting big put in the
Speaker 3: first place, Because they didn't show any aggression towards me.
Speaker 3: So that's why I didn't have that association with Diguit
Speaker 3: at that point.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see we're
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: But now this is where I went. And I went
Speaker 3: to a deep shock at this point because everything went
Speaker 3: blank with all the fear that the blood just rushed
Speaker 3: from my face. And all I can know is that
Speaker 3: my brother later told me what happened is like he
Speaker 3: just witnessed me jumping, and interest took me a couple
Speaker 3: of leaves with my hands up to the top of
Speaker 3: that fence, and I jumped myself over that fence. I
Speaker 3: didn't even try to crawl down on the side. I
Speaker 3: just boom, just landed, and I landed on my feet,
Speaker 3: and I ran across the field away from everybody else.
Speaker 3: I didn't even care about anybody else. I didn't care
Speaker 3: about my sister, I didn't know anything about what they're doing.
Speaker 3: I didn't care about the rest of the teams at
Speaker 3: this point. I was just cared about myself, because that's
Speaker 3: how scared I was and in shock. Anyways, the next
Speaker 3: time I ever came in any kind of even knowing
Speaker 3: what I was doing, I was on the other side
Speaker 3: of the field and I plopped to my knees. I
Speaker 3: went down on my knees. I'm just looking on the
Speaker 3: ground and I remember if I had tears just running
Speaker 3: down my eyes, just totally fear tears and everything. I
Speaker 3: was shaking like crazy. Even at this point, I took
Speaker 3: me about forty minutes before I'd actually really start talking
Speaker 3: and stuff. Everybody else was around me, but I was
Speaker 3: still just in total confused of what was going on.
Speaker 3: I took, like I said, about forty minutes before I
Speaker 3: can even start thinking. I had to just kick back
Speaker 3: and I had to raise my head up a little bit,
Speaker 3: and it was crazy. But when I did probably come
Speaker 3: around and start talking a little bit, we were a
Speaker 3: long ways away from the fence at this point. We
Speaker 3: were way over by the other side by the school,
Speaker 3: but we all sat around in a circle, looked at
Speaker 3: each other, called six of us. When we were sitting there,
Speaker 3: I just want to look at the fence. That's what
Speaker 3: I want to do. I didn't want things to do
Speaker 3: with sitting in that circle with my back against the fence, right,
Speaker 3: so I wanted to make sure. But I did feel
Speaker 3: at least a little bit of comfort just because there
Speaker 3: was all six of us, there is just me alone,
Speaker 3: so I wasn't afraid for my life printing at that
Speaker 3: particular point. So we all just sat around and we
Speaker 3: decided we were my brother's team, the other one that
Speaker 3: told their story. First, they probably exactly say things, telling
Speaker 3: you about how they knew exactly what they're looking at,
Speaker 3: the whole thing about that, the one jumping over the fence.
Speaker 3: Then my sister or boyfriend. I guess he got a
Speaker 3: little bit jealous because he wishes that he would have
Speaker 3: been able to see something few but he immediately started
Speaker 3: chiming into an act like he was right there and
Speaker 3: he's seeing him a matter of feet away from or whatever.
Speaker 3: My sister had to quickly tell him to be quiet
Speaker 3: about that, because there's no way they've seen it. He
Speaker 3: was just making himself look stupid because my eyes, so yeah,
Speaker 3: he didn't see me, saying my sister didn't see anything.
Speaker 3: And then after we were sitting that circle, we were
Speaker 3: there for at least a good an hour and a
Speaker 3: half to two hours just sitting there. It got to
Speaker 3: a point where we were actually excited about what we
Speaker 3: just saw too. We got to the point where were
Speaker 3: finally laughing about it. After my fear was over and everything.
Speaker 3: I felt privileged to be able to see or witness
Speaker 3: what I just did and still come out without a scratch.
Speaker 3: But towards the end there we were actually contemplating out
Speaker 3: what we should do. Should we go and find some
Speaker 3: should go to the police department, because that's the only
Speaker 3: place we'd even logically want to go to. The police
Speaker 3: appartment was probably about it for walking business. From where
Speaker 3: we were at it was a probably good half an
Speaker 3: hour walk across to the north end of town there
Speaker 3: near the main input of town. It was one of
Speaker 3: the brothers of that want to go to the police.
Speaker 3: This is already we're talking aboutn hour and a half
Speaker 3: to two hours after the fact. But me and my brother,
Speaker 3: if you look back it even before I even start
Speaker 3: with that part, is that my whole family we were
Speaker 3: pretty shy anyways, Me and my brothers, we moved around
Speaker 3: so much so we didn't get to make a lot
Speaker 3: of friends and stuff, so we were naturally shy around
Speaker 3: people anyways. But we just got to the town just
Speaker 3: within days. We're talking about within three to five days
Speaker 3: when we had this incidant happen. So me and my
Speaker 3: brother just pretty much shout it down right off the
Speaker 3: very get go. We said, no, we don't want nothing
Speaker 3: to do with all the police and putting ourselves out
Speaker 3: there and then being laughed at. We're not gonna do that.
Speaker 3: There's no way those big cats are along gone anyways.
Speaker 3: There's no way they're gonna be hanging around waiting for
Speaker 3: the police or anybody show up. As far as I
Speaker 3: was concerned, they were gone. So the brothers finally they
Speaker 3: late pretty much without me and my brother. They didn't
Speaker 3: want to do it either anyway. They knew that they
Speaker 3: would be the laugh of the town because me and
Speaker 3: my brother denied it, always said no way. These guys
Speaker 3: are by themselves. Just left them do and we told
Speaker 3: them I peple say, hey, if you guys want to
Speaker 3: go for me and my brother already told them we
Speaker 3: didn't want anything to do with this, So if you
Speaker 3: want to go, be my guest, but we don't watch
Speaker 3: you bollve us. So you guys can do it today.
Speaker 3: And they've been in town, so they're the only ones
Speaker 3: witnessing each other. They probably knew a lot of people anyways,
Speaker 3: but they knew that they were probably laughing stock. They
Speaker 3: came to their senses, and it never came to anything
Speaker 3: after that anyways. And then once we separated that night,
Speaker 3: the two brothers left them with their way and my
Speaker 3: sister's boyfriend took off and that was it. That was
Speaker 3: the last time we ever hung around the two brothers
Speaker 3: at all. We went to school with them that year
Speaker 3: with you. Our mom and dad did come back after
Speaker 3: two months, and we ended up living in a white anyways,
Speaker 3: and we lived there. We lived out of town a
Speaker 3: little bit, but we could like the main town, but
Speaker 3: we lived in trailer barks here and there and give
Speaker 3: an apartment complexes and throughout the year, and we're there
Speaker 3: basically about another four or five years anyways, in the
Speaker 3: surrounding area. So we got to know a lot of people.
Speaker 3: And that was the very first time we actually got
Speaker 3: to consider our hometown because we did get to meet people,
Speaker 3: got lifelong friends now just from that town alone. So
Speaker 3: we see these brothers at the school that they pretty
Speaker 3: much the whole time we were there, but we never
Speaker 3: even approached them. We never brought the subject up at all,
Speaker 3: even if my brother after about two or three weeks
Speaker 3: after this instant happened, we stopped talking about We did
Speaker 3: tell our aunt. That night, we went into the apartment there,
Speaker 3: had called my aunt and her boyfriend was there right away.
Speaker 3: They just didn't believe us at all. I just figured
Speaker 3: we would at least tell our family if she would
Speaker 3: believe us, But no, they pretty much laughed at us
Speaker 3: anyways right off the get go. So we knew right
Speaker 3: that that was a story. We didn't want to tell
Speaker 3: that story anyways, not to the general public, not to anybody,
Speaker 3: because it's already something that we didn't even think existed anyways.
Speaker 3: And even with our encounter at that point, I thought
Speaker 3: that I was just a one time deal and that
Speaker 3: was it, which it was for us, But I thought
Speaker 3: it was so isolated that not too many people out
Speaker 3: there even had encounters. I didn't know anybody else, even
Speaker 3: though over the years I never even post. Anybody asked
Speaker 3: him about Big Put or anything, so that stuffing that
Speaker 3: even came around in general discussion, whether it's my friends
Speaker 3: or anything, because I'm going to assume that no one
Speaker 3: even has ever seen Big Put anyways. Now, in the
Speaker 3: recent months, when I discovered all this big Post stuff
Speaker 3: that I got on the BFRO site and found out
Speaker 3: that whole Mountain Range is the most populated of all
Speaker 3: the different claims in California alone. Of course, Washington has
Speaker 3: even more claims than us. Like I said, I just
Speaker 3: found this out back in January. I didn't know what
Speaker 3: a podcast was. I didn't know anything about podcasting. This
Speaker 3: is just forty three years later. I cut and pasted
Speaker 3: my story on a dozen, maybe a couple more, but
Speaker 3: at least a dozen or more of those sites that
Speaker 3: I joined the Bigfoot groups. I cut and pasted this
Speaker 3: whole story so that way I didn't have to keep
Speaker 3: retelling it every time I did it, so that way
Speaker 3: to be out there anyways, because everybone's telling their stories.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at all these things I'm trying. This is
Speaker 3: where I'm still comfortable telling it now because everybody else
Speaker 3: is telling the stories too. The very next day, and
Speaker 3: this is actually on January first, for whatever reason, that's
Speaker 3: when I did it. That what happened the very next
Speaker 3: day on the second is when I got it my
Speaker 3: first podcast interview. I had to ask her, what's the
Speaker 3: podcast and who are you? I didn't know who she was,
Speaker 3: and apparently she goes on different expeditions and she's a
Speaker 3: researcher and she's well educated. As well.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a couple of questions here.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things that stuck out to me.
Speaker 1: Is obviously the area that you guys were in when
Speaker 1: I first got into this. I've been in this a
Speaker 1: lot of years. I think I had an experience with
Speaker 1: one of these things when I was twelve years old
Speaker 1: back in North Georgia, and I've always been fascinated with
Speaker 1: the object. But the longer you're in it, the more
Speaker 1: you see that the things you thought you knew, everything
Speaker 1: you thought you knew, is probably wrong. I used to
Speaker 1: think you had to be twenty miles deep in the
Speaker 1: woods to have an experience with one of these things.
Speaker 1: That I've done probably at this point, about one thousand
Speaker 1: interviews for this podcast. A lot of these encounters happen
Speaker 1: on what I call edges, where people are moving closer
Speaker 1: and closer to these wilderness areas. That's where you see deer.
Speaker 1: I was talking about it literally just yesterday.
Speaker 3: I like to run.
Speaker 1: I run like five or six miles a day. We
Speaker 1: live in the middle of nowhere here in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: We've got forty acres out here in the middle of
Speaker 1: the woods. So I drive five minutes to a greenway.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing is we've owned this property since twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: and I've seen exactly zero deer on the property.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: I've seen sign i've seen scat, I've seen prince, but
Speaker 1: I've never seen a deer. I've almost been ran over,
Speaker 1: literally ran over by several deer running out onto the
Speaker 1: greenway while I'm running on this track. It's because it's
Speaker 1: one of those edges. There's berries that have been planted
Speaker 1: along this edge that they're eating, and it draws the
Speaker 1: deer end where the people are. I think bigfoot is
Speaker 1: very much sasquatch, is very much like these other animals.
Speaker 1: They're gravitating towards these edges, and that's what it sounds
Speaker 1: like you guys were experiencing. You had this mountain range
Speaker 1: right there, and then you had this little residential area.
Speaker 1: Is that the feeling that you get. I know you
Speaker 1: haven't been looking into this very long, but have you
Speaker 1: seen that already in some of the other stories that
Speaker 1: you've seen and obviously your own. I'm trying to explain
Speaker 1: this in a way so people will understand that you
Speaker 1: literally had an encounter with a bigfoot near a school
Speaker 1: in a residential area, and I think that's hard for
Speaker 1: some people to grasp. But I think if you look
Speaker 1: into this deep enough and talk to enough people, you
Speaker 1: find that it's more common than you would think.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like I said, I've allaly been doing since
Speaker 3: January is YouTube now YouTube podcasts, and Bigfoot, specifically Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: They felt that there's a lot of UFOs that were
Speaker 3: supposed to be connected with possibly with big putting all
Speaker 3: that stuff. Then I try to get myself away from
Speaker 3: looking at that bar because I don't really necessarily believe
Speaker 3: in that because of course with my interaction now as
Speaker 3: far as the deer is concerned. Yeah, even after that
Speaker 3: happened and stuff, even without even talking about Bigfoot at all.
Speaker 3: But what happened is that this town was already going
Speaker 3: through a drought. It was like about a five year
Speaker 3: drought at the time. After looking back at it, so
Speaker 3: now we'll come up with theories. The only theory that
Speaker 3: we really came up with is the fact that maybe
Speaker 3: Bigfoot was coming down. Maybe it's scavenger through the trash
Speaker 3: bands or something. There's a trash band, there's an alley
Speaker 3: way behind the stores and stuff. There's like a pizza
Speaker 3: place where they throw their old food and stuff with
Speaker 3: and that's only a blockers away from the school and
Speaker 3: everything back just behind the town there. But that was
Speaker 3: just the theory came up that maybe they were trying
Speaker 3: to find a quick thing to eat or whatever, and
Speaker 3: that was that part it. And then of course we
Speaker 3: did find out if we were talking to other je
Speaker 3: My aunt's boyfriend was a woodsman. He went out and
Speaker 3: sawed up a wooden and he went up to the touchy.
Speaker 3: He made his living just going out and saw down trees,
Speaker 3: bringing cords of wood in back to this truck, so
Speaker 3: he knows about hene. He's a hunter. I went with
Speaker 3: him hunting one time and he shot a deer and
Speaker 3: I had to help him drag it across and that
Speaker 3: was the same mountains I was at. But he has
Speaker 3: told me that he's noticed it has been a bunch
Speaker 3: of different wildlife that they've been spotted around town, coming
Speaker 3: down near the graveyard and just coming down into town
Speaker 3: and without going into main part town. Like I said,
Speaker 3: that was my theory is that maybe yeah, it might
Speaker 3: have something do at the drought that was going on.
Speaker 3: It was pretty hot out and that's not really to
Speaker 3: say that was what was going on. Who knows why
Speaker 3: they're there, But like I said, even the school and
Speaker 3: as it's actually doing all my podcast that was pointed
Speaker 3: out by other podcasters too. Sitting to the school, it
Speaker 3: is probably play because the kids. And then of course
Speaker 3: being up by the top of that ridge, I think
Speaker 3: it can be looking right straight down right there to
Speaker 3: if I see it with my naked eyes looking at
Speaker 3: the school yard and the apartment complex, and I know
Speaker 3: what's going on. I just see. Of course, the little
Speaker 3: kids look like little dots to me if I'm looking
Speaker 3: down at him. But yeah, that's kind of like where
Speaker 3: I'm at on that too.
Speaker 1: Another thing that interested me was the lack of any
Speaker 1: kind of vocalization or noise is made by these creatures,
Speaker 1: because that's typically one of the things that you hear
Speaker 1: quite often is most people hear vocalizations or smell something
Speaker 1: before they actually see these creatures. I know it's difficult,
Speaker 1: but in hindsight, looking back, do you think it's possible
Speaker 1: that these things might have made noise? Because I tell you,
Speaker 1: I was a police officer for many years, and you
Speaker 1: get this thing when you get into situations, particularly if
Speaker 1: you have to fire your duty weapon. Even when you
Speaker 1: get into physical altercations and you're in this heightened state
Speaker 1: of fear and adrenaline, you get what it's called auditory exclusion.
Speaker 1: You get tunnel vision, you get auditory exclusion, so things
Speaker 1: look a little different and you don't hear certain things.
Speaker 1: I've literally been in situations where I was in the
Speaker 1: middle of a gunfight, things were happening around me. People
Speaker 1: would ask me after it happened, didn't you hear me
Speaker 1: calling you? Or didn't you hear this? I heard none
Speaker 1: of that. I was so focused on the threat at
Speaker 1: this point. It was a gunman, but for you, it
Speaker 1: was the bigfoot. I guess the question for you is
Speaker 1: do you think it's even possible that that might have
Speaker 1: happened or are you pretty sure that these things were
Speaker 1: quiet and there was really no communication during the encounter.
Speaker 3: I know for a fact that there were those stuff
Speaker 3: coming from them up to the point that they came
Speaker 3: into my realm. As far as I'm running away, ah,
Speaker 3: already shocked. They could have been like what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: The only reason why I was to say that they
Speaker 3: might not have been doing it foot of all, they're
Speaker 3: juveniles for one thing, and another thing is the fact
Speaker 3: that they came into a neighborhood that's best you're supposed
Speaker 3: to have humans any And I'm thinking it's the reason
Speaker 3: why that they weren't making sounds because they wanted to
Speaker 3: try to stay quiet because they know that those houses
Speaker 3: are places where people live and there's dogs and everything.
Speaker 3: So they were just on my side of where that
Speaker 3: community was. So I just think that they were probably
Speaker 3: gonna stay as quiet as they could on because of
Speaker 3: the fact that they're still because they are still afraid
Speaker 3: of humans. No matter what people think that they're stronger
Speaker 3: than the human or whatever, I still think they have
Speaker 3: a certain fear of humans no matter what. So that's
Speaker 3: why you hear a lot of the vocalizations that you
Speaker 3: hear is basically up in the woods anyways, but that's
Speaker 3: in their territory. So we go to their territory and
Speaker 3: you start messing around with stuff and you get too
Speaker 3: close to them, and they want you away. And that's
Speaker 3: why I think that's why they make their vocalizations, because
Speaker 3: they're trying to warn you, for one thing, and stare
Speaker 3: you away. And as far as the people being killed
Speaker 3: by bigfoot, I don't think a bigfoot will naturally kill you.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see right back
Speaker 1: after the East.
Speaker 3: Messages, unless you get too close like a bart, if
Speaker 3: you get too close to there are young ones whatever,
Speaker 3: they might take you out. On that same aspect right there,
Speaker 3: I think there are gonna be some rogue puts that
Speaker 3: can probably have different temperaments and stuff too, So that's
Speaker 3: just one factor there. But in that situation where I
Speaker 3: was at, I just do think that they are fully
Speaker 3: aware that they're in human territories basically, and I think
Speaker 3: that's probably where they're going to try to be is
Speaker 3: not so loud, but either I didn't hear anything anyways.
Speaker 3: And then now back to the smelling, I didn't smell
Speaker 3: anything mainly because I'm only thinking because the fact there
Speaker 3: was not one liquid wind or anything anywhere, because it's
Speaker 3: that hot out even at nighttime, there's not even to breathe,
Speaker 3: Like say, he was like tempy waste. I guess if
Speaker 3: I were gonna smell them, he's gonna probably be least
Speaker 3: that close to me. But either ways, there's no odor
Speaker 3: that I could detect at all at that particular time.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm at with that one too.
Speaker 1: The smell is something that comes up in movies, the
Speaker 1: legitd of Boggy Creek. A lot of encounters incorporate the smell.
Speaker 1: People say they smell something, but honestly, if you break
Speaker 1: down the numbers, in my experience, it's only in about
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five percent of all the encounters where
Speaker 1: somebody actually smells something, so it's not that common of
Speaker 1: a thing. I appreciate you answering the questions, and I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming on. It's one of the most
Speaker 1: fascinating encounter stories, frankly, that I've ever heard. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on and sharing it. I've had a
Speaker 1: blast talking to you.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm glad there.
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