WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:02.240 And nine. 2 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:06.960 Ignition Ship five. 3 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:12.199 Four three two one zero. 4 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:13.400 All engine running. 5 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:26.000 It's Wednesday. You know what that means. It's time for 6 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:29.839 Ignition with the ae W fan hob podcast team. This 7 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:31.039 is Kelson. 8 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:35.920 And returning from Parts unknown. It's me, It's me, It's 9 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:39.920 the vibe. That's right, Shades, the Vibe back co hosting, 10 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:43.200 back to the glory days. 11 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:45.240 It's not a better year. It has to bet a 12 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:47.159 year since you co hosted the podcast with it. 13 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:48.560 Remember when the last word? 14 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:49.640 But I remember him doing it. 15 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:50.359 I don't when. 16 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:54.240 God, Well, it's just me and Kelson. 17 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:58.759 Yeah, February or January of twenty twenty three. We started 18 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:00.679 this podcast and it used to be just being you 19 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:10.280 and then it grew. Oh well, I digress, Shades. What 20 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.439 do you want to talk about first? 21 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:16.879 Well, let's start with one of the pet topics du 22 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:20.000 jour of the Internet wrestling community right now, and that 23 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:27.760 is WWE reportedly per Fightful I believe, looking to counter 24 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:32.920 program the next aw pay per view with a premium 25 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:37.439 live event of their own. How do we feel about that? 26 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:45.439 Petty butchery again, eddichery petty butchery on Triple Ah's part, 27 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:46.640 he cannot help himself. 28 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:50.560 Well, let me stop there. Let me stop you there, Jess, 29 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:53.840 because you just said something that's very interesting. Is it 30 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:55.879 on Triple H or is it on t KO? 31 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:05.200 It's t K O think but go ahead, yess. 32 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:08.560 I would I would like equal blame. I mean, I'm 33 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.840 pretty sure Triple H isn't arguing like no, don't counter 34 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:14.080 program please, no, don't stop. 35 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:17.439 Yeah, I mean I'm sure they're not dragging them by 36 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:20.280 uh the neck with one of Hangman had in page's 37 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:26.439 uh chains to the arena to produce the show. Yeah, 38 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:30.199 what about? Um K, what do you think about it? 39 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:30.719 It's funny. 40 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:32.599 Today I was on one of my wrestling pages and 41 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:35.199 I saw a very funny response someone posted by the 42 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:38.120 reason why they're doing this and that it's because they 43 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:40.599 want Tony Kahn to steff up his game. 44 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:41.840 Uh. 45 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:46.319 I think it's just funny to me. But they're doing it, 46 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.000 but it's not because of that, because as we all know, 47 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.560 there ain't no party like an aw pay review party, 48 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:59.280 and they're usually better than WWE, but usually I think 49 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.680 it's strategic and they're trying to do something, but they're 50 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:06.080 gonna get blown out of water because you can't. It's 51 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:09.479 really hard to be an AW pay per view. I 52 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:13.360 can think of a small, maybe handful that hads fallen flat, 53 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.120 and that's within a six year period. So they're just 54 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:22.159 trying to stir the pot, right, and it's working. 55 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:24.840 Yeah. I mean I could understand that they were trying 56 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:27.159 to stir the pot, but you can't plain a show 57 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:30.879 on like WrestleMania Night one and Night two and then 58 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:32.639 try to stir the pot based on that. 59 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:37.960 Yeah, go aheads. 60 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:43.080 So I have a perspective. Number one, I think it 61 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:47.520 You know, TKO and Nick Con and Triple H can 62 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:51.759 talk all they want about not seeing aw's competition, Well, 63 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:55.039 they didn't see aw's competition, they wouldn't be doing this. 64 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:59.240 So in that respect, it's a little bit of a 65 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:04.840 acknowledgment of ae w's prominence and how they've really, for 66 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:08.240 you know, forged a niche for themselves in the wrestling world. 67 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:12.120 But also, I think a byproduct of what's happening here 68 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:16.120 is by putting these things up head to head all 69 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.839 the time like this, what t KO is inadvertently doing 70 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.600 is they are polarizing the wrestling audience. So I think 71 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:27.839 pretty soon you're not gonna have a lot of crossover 72 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:32.720 fans between WWE and a w it's you're you're gonna 73 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:37.000 either watch one or the other, and I don't know 74 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:41.240 that that's necessarily a good thing. I have my own 75 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:46.800 reasons that I don't watch WWE, but I think polarizing 76 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:49.160 the audience is only going to lead to things like 77 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:54.160 more toxicity in the wrestling, chatter in the community, and 78 00:04:56.120 --> 00:05:00.639 you know, it's gonna create maybe some awkward city situations 79 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:05.079 between friends who work at different companies. But either way, 80 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:08.000 I don't see this as a winning move for TKO 81 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.079 long term because they're not going to take away from 82 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.680 aw's audience. That's not going to happen. 83 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.480 Oh they're no. I mean when you consider also that 84 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.600 with the practices that TQO and I amn't going to 85 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:26.920 say TKO not WWE, even though the booking has been 86 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:31.759 kind of weird from WWE, that's that's them. That's on them. 87 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.839 That's what they've done. That's what they always do. You know, 88 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.319 they use pay per view events to promote the other 89 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:40.680 the next pay per view event. They just did that 90 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:45.519 at SummerSlam, you know, with their main event at SummerSlam. 91 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:53.399 But anyway, what I'm saying here is, look, AW has 92 00:05:55.319 --> 00:06:01.839 already put up their posters online and announces of all 93 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.079 of the pay per views from now until the end 94 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:10.600 of the year. Correct, Yes, they've got it the right 95 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.920 right on those posters. Do you know any did you 96 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:17.600 notice anything that's consistent on all those posters except for 97 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:18.519 forbidden door. 98 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.800 To take place on Saturday because of the NFL season. 99 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.839 I think there's one on Sunday. I think there is 100 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.879 one on Sunday. But the one thing that I've noticed 101 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:36.160 that's consistent about aw's announcement posters is they have the 102 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:42.240 dates on them, but they don't have any times. No times. 103 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.240 Why because they know Tony Kahan is sitting back in 104 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:53.040 his chair drinking his coffee weirdly, and because he does 105 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.199 drink coffee weirdly. I'm sorry to wit he holds it. 106 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:59.879 I just like put that down anyway, Dery. He's expecting 107 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:06.600 a counterprogramming. But see, here's the thing. WWE can't counterprogram 108 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:11.519 their main roster pay per views or ples in the 109 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:15.519 middle of a day. Their advertisers will not stand for it. 110 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.639 It would take an act of God probably to get 111 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:22.000 the advertisers to agree to put a ple on during 112 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:26.560 the day. So if a if WWE announces a Ple 113 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:32.920 for the same night as All Out on September twentieth. 114 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:37.199 All AW has to do is changed is put the 115 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:42.240 time as three pm when the WW when's going to 116 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.480 start at six thirty, and AW is just going to 117 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:46.519 run right into the beginning of it like it did 118 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.680 with Saturday, the night's main event, and correct me if 119 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:51.839 I'm wrong. And I don't know if this is possible, 120 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:56.680 because I honestly don't watch rewatch anything on Peacock. But 121 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:00.000 if you were to watch a wwepl the next day 122 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:05.879 on Peacock, can you fast forward through the commercials? 123 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:10.040 I I don't watch that WW so I don't know 124 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:10.519 that question. 125 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.639 Well, what I understand this is that if you can 126 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:16.839 fast forward through the commercials, which I don't see why 127 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.079 you wouldn't be able to if you have the right 128 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:24.519 subscription plan anyway, because I really don't know how it works, 129 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:29.040 because I get Peacock through my Internet provider for free. 130 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.639 It's part of the package. But anyway, what I'm saying 131 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:37.000 here is people are going to watch All Out like 132 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.720 they watched All In and whatever I saw it written 133 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:41.639 all over this all over the internet. I'm going to 134 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:45.440 watch all Out or All In. I'm sorry, and then 135 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:52.879 I'm gonna watch Saturday night's main event and and uh, well, 136 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.759 what was it? The Great American Bash tomorrow the next day, 137 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:00.320 and then they can fast forward through the commercials. That 138 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:05.159 that can't make the advertisers very happy that their commercials 139 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:06.399 are getting fast forward through. 140 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.000 No, And I think the worst part of it all 141 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:17.360 is so reportedly the big main event that they're going 142 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:21.320 to put up against the AW Show is John Cena 143 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.440 versus Brock Lesnar for the millionth time. And I'm like, 144 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.600 these guys are almost fifty years old. At each of 145 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:32.039 them they are like and then they're not like Christian 146 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:36.879 Cage at fifty. Okay, Christian Cage is still very good, 147 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:40.240 you know, serviceable in the ring. Okay, these these guys 148 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:48.279 are badly functional. Is so I don't see, you know, 149 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.879 I don't I don't know what the draw is like 150 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.000 the nobody who, nobody who's like a big AW fan 151 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:55.679 is gonna go, oh well, I've got to go see 152 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:57.600 CNN Lesnar for the millionth time. 153 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.360 Yeah, I t I only agree with you, shades. Look, 154 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:06.480 both Cena and Lesner are forty eight right now, and 155 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:10.159 they will be forty eight on September twentieth at the 156 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.879 as yet to be named wwepl. 157 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:15.000 A. 158 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:19.200 W simply just has to put their younger, more athletic, 159 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:24.919 more meaningful wrestlers, and more meaningful matches at all out. 160 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:25.720 Yeah and. 161 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:29.480 Go ahead. 162 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:35.000 Oh okay. I didn't want to talk over anybody. I 163 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.960 didn't see the match myself, so this is hearsay. But 164 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:41.879 just to give a little bit of a devil his due, 165 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:47.799 I heard that the Cody Sina match until the ending 166 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.320 was actually very good, Like Meltzer gave it five stars. 167 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.320 What does it take for Meltzer to give five stars 168 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:55.200 to a Sina match? 169 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:58.720 Well, I'm not buying it. 170 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.639 Well, I'm gonna say this to you. I watched the 171 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:06.039 Cody versus seeing a match, I believe it was it 172 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:15.519 uh money in the bank, and they literally just danced 173 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:17.679 around each other for most of the match. I mean 174 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:19.120 they didn't touch each other. 175 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:20.000 You know. 176 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.399 So I was like, okay, are we going to do 177 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:25.759 a line dance or are we going to wrestle? You know? 178 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.120 But here's the thing. When you're the other thing you 179 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.720 have to consider is that when all out comes out, 180 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:35.200 you're going to have a match card of at least 181 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:44.799 probably ten matches. But the pl for WWE on that 182 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.240 night is going to probably only have like five matches, 183 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:50.360 because that's what WWE does. And when one of those 184 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:53.440 matches are two forty eight, forty eight year old part 185 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:59.759 timers going at it for as Shade said the billionth time, Yeah, Nick, 186 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:03.120 it takes away from it, you know. And so now 187 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.200 you've you're down the four matches. Because I agree with 188 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:10.440 whoever said that. I don't think anybody is gonna be 189 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.159 switched switching over from all In. I don't think even 190 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.720 if the even if WWE put on the best match possible, 191 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.840 I do not think that anybody that's watching All out 192 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.279 is going to switch over to w W E pol 193 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.919 E because it's kind of like what Shade says, it's 194 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:29.759 neither or thing, you know. But but they're especially not 195 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.879 gonna switch over to see a completely get for two 196 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:39.840 forty eight year old part timers. Russell again, Well, I'm sorry. 197 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:44.919 Let's let's move on to a former WWE talent who 198 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:49.200 well he might be a former he might. Yeah, I'm 199 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:53.080 not sure we're not getting worked, but let's talk about 200 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:57.480 Killer Cross. Uh does he have a place in ae W. 201 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:04.000 I don't know anymore. Yeah, to go ahead, Jess. 202 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:08.279 I was going to I was fully prepared to come 203 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:14.000 into this podcast advocating for him because his promos really 204 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:16.600 are second to none. He's excellent on the mic, he's 205 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.320 got a great presentation. And then my husband, bless him, 206 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.960 asked me what is what is a Killer Cross's finisher? 207 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:29.039 And I could not answer that question, and then it 208 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.000 just pretty much changed my entire perspective, like maybe I 209 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.000 should rethink this. 210 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:36.559 Well, let me ask you a question, Jess and MK 211 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:41.120 and Shades. If Killer Cross were to come to AW, 212 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:45.840 where does he belong? Is he an upper card wrestler? 213 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.440 Is he a mid carter? You know? Is he somebody 214 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.559 would go after the AW World Championship or TT Championship 215 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:56.159 or the trios or god forbid the FTW if they 216 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:56.919 ever bring it back. 217 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:03.399 Uh, I think it needs to go with start out 218 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.240 as a tag team in the working way way up. 219 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:07.360 If he comes. I haven't seen him wrestling a long time. 220 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.519 I just think he has a great persona and maybe 221 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:14.799 putting him with someone who's a little on a darker side, 222 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.679 not the uh you know, uh that's probably sounded weird, 223 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.279 but uh, just someone who he can match his energy 224 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.240 and cover for his wrestling skills. 225 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:29.360 Right. 226 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:32.639 With a name like Killer Cross, you're not gonna put 227 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:36.480 him with uh, you know, Orange Cassidy. You know that 228 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:37.399 doesn't make sense. 229 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:39.840 Garrison, No, but uh. 230 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:42.919 Are people who are. 231 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:46.919 Here's Chris Garrison. 232 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:51.039 But uh, you know, I just I don't know enough 233 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:54.320 about his wrestling skills anymore. I haven't I don't pay attention. 234 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:54.440 To w W. 235 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:57.480 I guess I should go look him up. I'm gonna 236 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:00.320 fight for him a little bit. But if we pass 237 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:02.879 on them, oh well we're stacked anyway. But I wouldn't 238 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:05.600 mind if we're gonna reever rebuild a Ring of Honor 239 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:06.440 to put him on there. 240 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.679 But I don't know what the plan for that is. 241 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:10.799 I had not thought about that. That is a really 242 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:14.480 good point, you know. To be honest with you, I'm 243 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:16.559 gonna say this. You know, if any of these x 244 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:21.000 WU guys and women want to come into uh the 245 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:25.679 be all elite, put them in ring of honor, make 246 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:26.200 them earn it. 247 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:28.679 Yeah, I agree, I mean not. 248 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:31.240 I mean I'm not talking about everybody. I'm talking about 249 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:34.919 people that you would get. I don't want to disrespect them, 250 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:38.919 but say you're they're not gonna get main card money. 251 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.000 You know I'm talking about. 252 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:43.879 You're not going to get the Adam Copeland treatment. Is 253 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:44.480 that what you're telling you? 254 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.600 I mean, you're not gonna get paid like all this 255 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:51.320 money like Mercedes Monet, you know, and stuff like that. 256 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.519 You're you're gonna get, you know, Bargaet basement. You know, 257 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:56.840 you just got fired. We're gonna hire you and give 258 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:59.440 you a shot money and if you do well, then 259 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.159 we'll renegotiate kind of money. You know what I'm saying. 260 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:04.399 That's actually an idea. 261 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:10.519 Here's what I think Killer Cross needs to do. I 262 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:14.639 don't know if AAW is the best spot for him 263 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.799 right now because it's a very loaded roster. And conversely, 264 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.879 I don't know the Ring of Honor is going to 265 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.840 be great for his career. What I would do if 266 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:29.320 I were kill Across as I would go on bended 267 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.080 knee back to New Japan Pro Wrestling, beg for another shot, 268 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.639 because I guess he food bard his last one the 269 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:38.559 time he was there. If he could get in with 270 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.000 New Japan and do like a one to two year 271 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:45.399 run there, I think they would be receptive to his gimmick. 272 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.840 And secondly, it would give him the opportunity to wrestle 273 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.559 on an aw show at a forbidden door pay per view, 274 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.320 And I think that would be a good gateway, just 275 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:57.960 kind of like Osprey, but to a lesser degree, that 276 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:00.799 would be a good in with the AWR audience. It's like, Oh, 277 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.360 this guy's tearing up New Japan, just like all these 278 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.960 other guys who tore up New Japan, like Zach Saber Junior, 279 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:12.599 like you know, Jay Whye, like Osprey, you know, and so, 280 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:20.480 but I don't I don't want to say if he 281 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.960 came in to AW right now, his ceiling, his absolute 282 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:26.119 ceiling for me, would be the T and T title, 283 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:31.200 agreed like, and so I think he could do better 284 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:34.839 than that potentially. But all of this might really not 285 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:39.759 matter because again I'm not sure he's actually not on 286 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:42.920 the roster for WWEY right now, but it's a talking 287 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.839 point people are kind of I did see a post 288 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:50.119 from Tom Green, not that Tom Green, but the one 289 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:53.680 who does wrestling videos. Yeah, and he said, uh, he 290 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:56.960 basically to the extent of what if this is all 291 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.400 just some sort of social experiment, like what if there's 292 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.160 what if the rest name Killer Cross doesn't even exist 293 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.400 and we're just like trying to Will him into being 294 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.480 and it's kind of like it's like Killer Cross. Yeah, wait, 295 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.200 who's Killer Cross again? Like you know, it's there's about there. 296 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:16.079 You But are you gonna waste the work on Killer Cross? 297 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:19.119 I mean, our truth is loved by everybody. Are you 298 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.839 gonna waste the work on someone who? 299 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:24.039 Well, I will say this for him. He does have 300 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.920 a lot of grassroots support among the WWB fan base. 301 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:28.359 That is true. That is a lot. 302 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:32.319 That is very true. Although I did read a report 303 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:35.759 shade that I think it was on Twitter or x 304 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:37.359 if you want to call it, call it that. I 305 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:39.920 just can't. I have a target hard time with that. 306 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:42.960 But anyway, I did read where there wasn't any we 307 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:47.000 want Cross chance at RAW on Monday night. 308 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.200 I did hear they were confiscating signs though I. 309 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:55.359 Did hear that too, So that's interesting. 310 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.279 Well, let's let's move on to some wrestlers who were 311 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:05.039 actually on the a W roster. Hell yeah, let's talk 312 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.079 about let's go to the very top of the card. 313 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:13.160 We've got uh AW World Champion I'm sorry AW Men's 314 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:18.839 World Champion, Hangman, Adam Paige and CMLL World Champion m 315 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:24.400 jf on a collision course. What do you guys think 316 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:28.559 AW needs to do to really push this feud forward 317 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:30.359 into something we haven't seen before. 318 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:36.039 I know, I've been thinking about this since I saw 319 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:37.359 that saw it was going to be a topic on 320 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:42.240 today's show. What I think is they really need need 321 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.079 to lean into the simple fact that Hangman Page and 322 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.559 MGF are two of the most complex characters on the roster. 323 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.519 I think like deep emotional storytelling has pretty much made 324 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:56.799 Hangman Page. That's his bread and butter, alongside with being 325 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.480 a kick ass wrestler. But he is totally such a 326 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.440 masterful story that it's gotten everyone behind him despite burning 327 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:10.079 someone's house down, and they and if they just lean 328 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:15.359 into that, like keep like they've already got like the 329 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.119 bedrock of a great story that they started telling a 330 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:21.680 couple months ago with hangm in well, yeah, with Hangman 331 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.279 being forgiven by the fans and MGF actually being jealous 332 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:27.759 because deep down he wants loved by the fans too, 333 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.359 but they won't let it give him a pass on anything. 334 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.960 Just yeah, go with that. I'm really excited to see 335 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:36.440 what they do. 336 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:39.440 With Okay, yeah, I can see that. 337 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:45.119 Have they announced for sure MJF versus Hangman Antam Paige 338 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:47.960 for Forbidden Door. I don't think they have yet, have 339 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:51.960 they No, I don't think they have. Do you think 340 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:54.400 that they should do that match Afterbidden Door? 341 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:55.160 No? 342 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:57.319 I don't either. 343 00:20:58.160 --> 00:20:59.039 No, I don't either. 344 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:00.400 I think. 345 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:04.119 I was just gonna say I think that's an all 346 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:04.599 out thing. 347 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:08.160 Yeah, I really do. 348 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:11.440 Go ahead, Kelson, I'm sorry. 349 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:16.240 No, I was just gonna say, as Shade said, MGF 350 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:20.680 is the CMLL World Men's World Champion. It's actually the 351 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:25.599 lightweight champion because I don't think CMO has heavyweights, so 352 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:30.039 her world championship is literally called the World Lightweight Championship. 353 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:36.240 He's defending that championship Friday night in Arena Mexico against 354 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:41.200 Zendikin Junior. And I don't know if you saw the 355 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:47.400 graphic for the card for that shoe, but it's it's hysterical. 356 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:54.160 I'm sorry, but CMOL needs to get somebody that I 357 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.880 don't know if they were trolling or what, because MJF 358 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:00.160 on the graphics is a full body picture of m 359 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.799 JFF and Xandikin Jr. On the graphic on the match card, 360 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:10.880 and MGF looks like your typical bored Jewish American. I 361 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.839 just do not know a better way to put it. 362 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:16.640 I'm sorry if it offended somebody, but it is hysterical 363 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:20.079 and Xandikin looks like his head was chopped off, moved 364 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:23.920 to his right shoulder and pasted back on. It's hysterical. 365 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:26.799 I've just I've just posted it in the chat. 366 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:29.200 I had a look it. 367 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.000 I tell me, tell me what I'm telling lies. 368 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.920 I mean, come on, it looks like an AI version 369 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.960 of m JF. I'm not gonna lie. 370 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:45.440 Yeah, here's the prompt post a w former aw World 371 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.759 champion MGF looking pissed off and board at the same time, 372 00:22:49.480 --> 00:23:02.319 and then post uh the challenger Zendikin Jr. Deformed. This 373 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:07.400 is awful because look, you know, people have been saying 374 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:13.640 that it's gonna maybe be even MGF and Mystico at 375 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:17.319 Forbidden Door. I don't even think that's gonna happen, because 376 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:21.319 Arena Mexico was having their ninety second anniversary show after 377 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:24.119 Forbidden Door, like a week or ten days after that. 378 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.960 I think that's where that's gotta happen, because. 379 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:31.279 NJF cannot drop that belt to anyone else but Mystico, 380 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:34.160 and he can't drop it anywhere else but Arena Mexico. 381 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:41.440 I agree. I agree with you. If go ahead, what if. 382 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:49.720 Hangman beat MJF for that belt because CNLL loved Hangman 383 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:53.640 and wanted to do some programs with him, and and 384 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.000 there after that big Arena show, they loved him. 385 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.000 So what if he took that belt. 386 00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:01.799 From him and made him look, you know, and then 387 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.480 added that little spice, and then he could be a 388 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:06.839 double champ. I don't mind him being a double champ 389 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:10.079 because it won't be because CML doesn't do that many shows, 390 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:13.519 but just use that spice a little bit to piss 391 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:14.960 off MJF. 392 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:19.119 And I think you would torpedo that the the MJF 393 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:23.720 Mystico program if you did that, because that thing is really. 394 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:26.960 In my opinion, I don't want to say we've already 395 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:27.480 seen it. 396 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:27.559 But. 397 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:32.799 Yeah, I mean, you know, one thing that they can 398 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.119 do is have the Mystico and MGF match at the 399 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:40.480 ninety second anniversary show of CMLL and then run it 400 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:46.440 back a rematch at the next aw pay per view, 401 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:50.599