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<v Speaker 1>This is a clip from Beyond Truth. You can access

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<v Speaker 1>the entire episode now on our website and all podcast platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nobody there at zombie Land, and we're in it.

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<v Speaker 2>We are making our own zombie Land, Isn't it crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>And tonight we're gonna be talking about that. Nina, You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna fill me in and all the juicy answers and

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<v Speaker 2>help me figure out what this dead that is all over.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's crazy, So it's not a new concept.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been out there for quite a while, more

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<v Speaker 1>in the fringe end of it, sort of tongue in cheek,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. The whole dead Internet theory has been sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a conspiracy theory, I guess, for quite a while. However, nowadays, though,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to revisit this because now it's starting to

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<v Speaker 1>feel more real, you know. I'm sure you've all noticed,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how many bots are out there and all

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of stuff. So now I think it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of look into this, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't really talked about this before. It's been one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that you've heard about, but we hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>really touched on it. So that's what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do tonight, We're going to look at that whole theory

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<v Speaker 1>and then you guys make up your own mind. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think, you know what I mean, leave us

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<v Speaker 1>some comments sound below if you don't mind, before we

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<v Speaker 1>even get going to smash that, like, share this out

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<v Speaker 1>so we can spread the word out there, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. And yeah, let's get into it. So

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<v Speaker 1>the dead Internet theory, the idea is that the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>is no longer mostly real people talking to real people. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>more and more of what we see online might be bots,

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<v Speaker 1>AI generated content, fake engagement, fake comments, fake influencers, fake trends,

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<v Speaker 1>and now even fake videos and fake voices, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is becoming a problem, right, So that's why we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>into this. And when you add then the AI deep

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<v Speaker 1>fakes to this, so that's the other part of this

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of the dead Internet, but also the AI

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<v Speaker 1>deep fakes is what we're going to go into because

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of go hand in hand, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. This is becoming a problem for people like

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<v Speaker 1>I know, for me, I have a hard time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out what's real, you know what I mean. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks so real, it looks like the person is saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet it's fake, so we really got to be careful.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, when you add the AI deep fike into this,

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<v Speaker 1>the question becomes scary. How much of the Internet is

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<v Speaker 1>still real? Are we seeing a real public opinion? Are

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<v Speaker 1>we watching real people? Are we reading real comments or

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<v Speaker 1>viral trends organic or are they being pushed by bots

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<v Speaker 1>and algorithms? And I can answer that right now that

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what goes on. You know, it's it's we

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<v Speaker 1>all have the question like where who who decided that

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<v Speaker 1>that's trending? Now? Who decided that this is what's in now?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? And it's always been sort

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<v Speaker 1>of that way with influencers and whatnot, But now with

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet, I mean, it's just ridiculous. But if video, audio, photos,

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<v Speaker 1>and comments can all be faked, then what happens to truth?

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<v Speaker 1>So tonight we're going to go into the dead Internet

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<v Speaker 1>theory AI deep fakes, both manipulations, fake reality scams, political deception,

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<v Speaker 1>and the spiritual side of what happens when humans can

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<v Speaker 1>no longer trust what they see. So all right, so, Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel like that the Internet is different now

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<v Speaker 1>than like ten twenty years ago? When it first came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like it's different?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first off, are you real, Nina?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's not even me. It's my double gainer.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we need your gospel gat safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, we gotta have a safe word exactly. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, it's gonna read my mind, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what the internet does. It reads your mind. It does

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<v Speaker 2>you ever think of that?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that way?

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<v Speaker 2>And then or is it the Box center doing the

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<v Speaker 2>thing in Moreau?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know. Something has really changed.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I look this up and and it said

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<v Speaker 2>it was back in twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 3>Heck, I didn't even use the computer back in twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really get good at the computer until probably

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen was when I finally figured out what the

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<v Speaker 2>Internet was and really using it myself. So anything before

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<v Speaker 1>Really, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I know the Internet then way before you

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<v Speaker 1>as like I like, we were one of those first

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<v Speaker 1>people that got the Windows ninety five. That's when we

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the computer had been out for a

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<v Speaker 1>while before that, but we didn't have a computer in

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<v Speaker 1>our house until the Windows ninety five. I was the

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<v Speaker 1>big craze when that first came out, we did go

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<v Speaker 1>out and get a computer right then. So I've been

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet since ninety five mm, so I remember

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<v Speaker 1>like the beginning of it, which is kind of neat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you missed the whole decade. I can't sell it, eh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that it goes to prove something to you, see, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what it was like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like that like us, you know, we grew up

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<v Speaker 3>with the.

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<v Speaker 2>Phone on the wall, you know, on the dial or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe no phone at all, and a party line and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. And now the kids they have a

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone and they don't even know what a dial

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<v Speaker 2>phone is or party line.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hilarious when you I've seen these things where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you bring a couple of young people to try and

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<v Speaker 1>figure out that the rotary dot was hilarious. I laughed.

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<v Speaker 1>I tee myself, laughing at myself. Yeah, I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>had kept one of those phones and just for it

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<v Speaker 1>to see what the grandkids would do with it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I never did. But yeah, it's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. But that's the same thing with the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>When I got on it, you know, I knew what

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<v Speaker 2>it was. I was just experimenting and kind of looking

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<v Speaker 2>at stuff. I remember sitting on it and going, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this is cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, and now you know, now I'm finally, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>immersed into it. So I only know one way, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's it has been morphing and changing slowly, some things

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<v Speaker 2>for the better and other things for the worse.

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<v Speaker 1>So not to drag this out anymore, but I remember

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day, like even as a content creator,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, researching, you know, you would find all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things. Now it's all scrubbed out. They you only

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<v Speaker 1>find what they want you to know. Now, before everything

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<v Speaker 1>was out there for everybody to find. And so I've

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<v Speaker 1>definitely noticed a huge difference. I'll go and look up

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<v Speaker 1>something that I looked up ten, fifteen, twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>can't find it anymore. It's gone. Even Wikipedia a scrubbing

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<v Speaker 1>certain people out. There's a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>differences in there. But anyways, let's keep on script here

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise this show will take up all night. But

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<v Speaker 1>so it claims that much of what we see online

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<v Speaker 1>is created or controlled by bots, ar generated post fake accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another thing, the fake accounts, like you know, algorithm manipulation,

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<v Speaker 1>corporate campaigns most you know, or the things you see

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<v Speaker 1>how there are ads people are paid for you to

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<v Speaker 1>see this, you know what I mean. You think you

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<v Speaker 1>might think it's content, but really it's an ad, is

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<v Speaker 1>what it is now. And then you've got the political

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<v Speaker 1>influence operations, I mean, engagement farms and automated system pretending

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<v Speaker 1>to be real people. And this is the problem. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that every person online is fake. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we know our friends and family and whatnot, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. And I don't think that the whole

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<v Speaker 1>Internet is dead per se, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think a lot of people feel that

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet has changed most definitely. It used to feel

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<v Speaker 1>more human. Old forums, blogs, comet sections and communities feel

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<v Speaker 1>real people talking. It feels like it's real people talking.

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<v Speaker 1>Now everything feels more controlled. Some topics trend everywhere at once,

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<v Speaker 1>people repeat the same phrases. Commet sections feel fake, articles

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<v Speaker 1>sounds copied. Search results feel less helpful. They certainly do.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have any of the stuff that we used

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<v Speaker 1>to get. We used to get everything, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>now you only get a small snippet if you get

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<v Speaker 1>anything at all, depending on if they want you to

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<v Speaker 1>research that, if they want you to go down that

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet is just machines talking to machines. Why humans

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<v Speaker 1>sit there watching And that's basically what we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>last week. You know what I mean about mold book

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<v Speaker 1>and the Crustaferian thing. That's a whole nother rabbit hole

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<v Speaker 1>that if you haven't checked that out, go and watch that.

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<v Speaker 1>I might link it at the end here at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the show, so that if you miss that show,

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<v Speaker 1>go and check that out, because that's basically kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. That's not just the theory that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Okay, so it's not just that bots exist.

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<v Speaker 1>We know bots exists. The deeper question is our bots

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<v Speaker 1>and ai ai now shaping what we think society believes.

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately that is what's going on, because if fake

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<v Speaker 1>counts can make one opinion look popular, real people may

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<v Speaker 1>follow along. And that's the problem with people, is that

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<v Speaker 1>people just go along to get along something saying oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what's in now everybody's doing it. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>saying that as a kid. Well, mom, but everybody's doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>do it as well. And that's the human nature and

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<v Speaker 1>they are cashing in on that unfortunately. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>again it goes back to who decided that that pants

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<v Speaker 1>style that we're wearing now, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Or this is the in color this year, or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is that they're trying to influence, you know, and so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I can hear it now right now. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm breaking in because I hear it right now. I

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<v Speaker 2>know the chats they're screaming out and they're saying, what

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<v Speaker 2>is it? The mom's said, bum says, if everybody goes

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<v Speaker 2>along to get along, doesn't mean you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to do what they're doing. Don't be

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<v Speaker 1>If all your friends jumped off jumped off the bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>would you do it too? You know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just because everybody else is doing it, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea, right, So but.

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<v Speaker 2>But that but again, you and me talking about it

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<v Speaker 2>about five minutes before the show about huh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>use using the chat, you know, and it's like, hmmm,

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<v Speaker 2>well everybody else is and but it is the end

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<v Speaker 2>thing right now, and someday it might be the out thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and but it's helping us, and uh, is that for

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<v Speaker 2>the My question you is, is that for the better

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<v Speaker 2>or for the worse? Is that making us better people? Humans?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say no, probably to that, And yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know we we are, you know, doing the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>like we were talking before the show that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're using the AI and you know, and those who

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<v Speaker 1>aren't are behind. People aren't going to watch the shows

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not keeping up with you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>graphics and the shorts and all this stuff, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. If you just do what we did ten

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years ago, nobody will see your show, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're kind of forced to have to do it

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<v Speaker 1>as well if we want to keep up with the Joneses.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what it is, you know. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not exempt from it either. So but yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get because if fake accounts can make one opinion look popular,

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<v Speaker 1>real people may follow along. I guess I already said

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<v Speaker 1>that humans are social creatures, and this is where we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting to what I was just talking about. We look

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<v Speaker 1>around to see what other people think, right, and what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing. So if boss can fake public opinions, they

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<v Speaker 1>can influence real public opinion. This is where it becomes dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>So have either of you even seen a comment section

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<v Speaker 1>that felt fake? Who coordinate? Have you seen a comment

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<v Speaker 1>section that feels fake or coordinated? Do you even go

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<v Speaker 1>into the comment section? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There are comments I've seen that look pretty plain, Jane,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's knowing how to spot them because they're getting

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is they're getting better. It's just like

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<v Speaker 2>when you're talking to a bot or what have you,

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<v Speaker 2>or you're watching a AI generated video.

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<v Speaker 3>The video.

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<v Speaker 2>A bot won't repeat itself and they won't say incorrect

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<v Speaker 2>words like you know, you know, you know, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that that kind of stun thing. Yeah, that's a human

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<v Speaker 2>thing exactly, and we are so used to hearing that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then then when they don't, we say, oh, that

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<v Speaker 2>sounds kind of kind a little odd, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>the voice could be really sounding human. I've seen ones

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<v Speaker 2>where it really sounds human. The text sounds too good

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<v Speaker 2>to be. You know, people don't talk like that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. Don't match what we would come out

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<v Speaker 2>of our filthy mouths.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can kind of you can hear it on

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<v Speaker 1>the dialogue, whether it's AI or not. That's true. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I actually have firsthand experience here because the way they've

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<v Speaker 1>set up social media as well as YouTube and all

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<v Speaker 1>these platforms is that you pay to play. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't pay, you don't go anywhere. And so I did

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<v Speaker 1>once when I had that giveaway there a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>months ago, I actually, uh went and paid money for

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<v Speaker 1>that video, okay, tonor to monetize it or I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember what it's called now, but I gave YouTube some money, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>sure enough. Now, all of a sudden, it