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Speaker 2: Joining us right now is the great legal scholar Alan
Speaker 2: Dershowitz and Professor Dershowitz. I have to play you this
Speaker 2: sound from Zorn Mamdannie on Thursday night, just hours after
Speaker 2: he celebrated the Knicks victory. While he's still wearing a
Speaker 2: Next jersey under his jacket. He has this to say,
Speaker 2: and it sounds like it's right out of Der Schermer
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Listen to this.
Speaker 4: Alan ways with misleading.
Speaker 5: And bad faith attacks about Claire, Brad and Darry those
Speaker 5: who would rather spend far more on political contributions than
Speaker 5: they would ever be made to paying taxes, an apac
Speaker 5: for whom the only thing more frightening than democracy being
Speaker 5: allowed to run its course is an Ado genocide Netnahu's.
Speaker 2: Wars, and before that, Professor Deshowitzi referred to them as monsters.
Speaker 2: Josh Gottheimer the only democrat I think right now who
Speaker 2: is an elected Democrat who was castigated Zorroon Mamdani for
Speaker 2: this old blood libel stuff. I mean, this is even
Speaker 2: for Mom Donni. This was a step further than he's
Speaker 2: done before, well, a.
Speaker 3: Steparate he has done before publicly, but privately, he probably
Speaker 3: espouses all the Gerbels des Sturma anti Semitic tropes that
Speaker 3: we've heard about for so many years. Remember, APEC is
Speaker 3: not an Israeli organization. It is an American organization comprised
Speaker 3: largely of American Jews who are citizens of this country.
Speaker 3: And he's calling them monsters. He's not calling Israelis monsters.
Speaker 3: That would be bad enough. He's calling his fellow American
Speaker 3: citizens monsters. Look, Mamdani is a urulent anti Semite Jew
Speaker 3: hater and a man who gets twenty thirty percent of
Speaker 3: the Jewish vote, who has people like Brad Lander, who's
Speaker 3: a self hating Jew hater, and who he endorses against Goldman,
Speaker 3: who's a moderate centrist sometimes critical of Israel Democratic politician.
Speaker 3: Mamdani is a nineteen thirty two Nazi Clhone. Remember in
Speaker 3: thirty two, the Nazis weren't calling for the death of Jews.
Speaker 3: They were just saying, maybe there are too many Jews
Speaker 3: here and too many Jews there, too much influence, too
Speaker 3: much power, and so what we're hearing is a similar
Speaker 3: approach from Mandami to what Nazis were saying in nineteen
Speaker 3: thirty two. Mandami is one of the most dangerous people
Speaker 3: in America today because he has a following. As I've
Speaker 3: always said, if Hitler ever came to America, he wouldn't
Speaker 3: be you know, have that mustache. He wouldn't be a German.
Speaker 3: He'd be an American guy who who people like. And
Speaker 3: Mandami is, you know, somewhat charming. And what I said
Speaker 3: when he got elected is people were afraid he would
Speaker 3: ruin New York City. My great fear was he would
Speaker 3: not ruin New York City, that he would do a
Speaker 3: good job in helping the economy of Europe the way
Speaker 3: Hitler did in nineteen thirty two. Hitler helped Germany between
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty two and nineteen thirty four. And only after
Speaker 3: he then got a lot of people on his side
Speaker 3: because he was good for the economy did he then
Speaker 3: begin to really focus on the anti Jewish laws, ultimately
Speaker 3: leading to Crystal Knochen and to the Holocaust.
Speaker 2: Well, have good news for you. I think he hasn't
Speaker 2: helped the economy here in New York. As for Ernando,
Speaker 2: Mateo is with us. He's been very hostile to the
Speaker 2: business owners. I mean, thank goodness for that, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not really thanking him for that.
Speaker 3: But don't worry re elected today. If he were running
Speaker 3: again today, he would be re elected. His true colors
Speaker 3: have not shown, just like Hitler's true callers did not shine.
Speaker 3: And so what I worry about is that he is.
Speaker 3: You know, the other day, his true colors came out
Speaker 3: when he called Apex an American Jewish organization monsters. So
Speaker 3: but his true colors rarely come out. He charmed Donald
Speaker 3: Trump in the White House. I mean, he has this
Speaker 3: ability to charm people, just the way Hitler charmed Chamberlain.
Speaker 3: Hitler charmed Joseph Kennedy. Hitler charmed so many people, And
Speaker 3: I'm afraid Mandami has that same talent, which makes him
Speaker 3: even more dangerous.
Speaker 4: Well, let's go to professor, to John katsteinis, let's go
Speaker 4: to the bigger problem. And it all started with John
Speaker 4: Solomon this morning. And Jake, you're you know, you know that,
Speaker 4: your your statistics and you know everything. And the problem
Speaker 4: with Democratic Party started in two thousand and eight when
Speaker 4: President Obama became president. The Democratic Party has gone from
Speaker 4: eighty percent under Bill Clinton, etc. From eighty percent loving
Speaker 4: America down to twenty nine percent. What the heck is
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 3: I agree with you. Look, I sell for Obama. He
Speaker 3: was my student. I knew him when he was at Harvard.
Speaker 3: He's charming. I liked him. I voted him the first time.
Speaker 3: He invited me to the Oval office. Repeatedly he invited
Speaker 3: me to the dinner in which he gave the former
Speaker 3: president of Israel, Shriman Perez the Middle of Freedom. You
Speaker 3: know all of that. And then came his second term
Speaker 3: and his true colors came out. He called the hotel
Speaker 3: the Western Wall, which is like the Vatican, like you know,
Speaker 3: the Mormon Center, the holiest place of Judaism. He called
Speaker 3: it illegally occupied territory and did some terrible terrible things
Speaker 3: in his last days. But I agree with you. I
Speaker 3: think he was the beginning of the end. Look. I
Speaker 3: wrote a column the other day in which I Joe
Speaker 3: Biden may have been the last pro Israel Democratic candidate
Speaker 3: in American history. The Democratic Party has become a vicious
Speaker 3: anti Israel party, with exceptions, as you say, Gottheimer and
Speaker 3: a Fetterman and a few others, but even the moderates,
Speaker 3: the Josh Shapiros, the others are turning against Israel in
Speaker 3: a lot of different ways because today it's good politics
Speaker 3: to be anti Israel. And I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I think Obama is the one who caused that change.
Speaker 3: Clinton was really the last strongly pro Israel president, and
Speaker 3: he still says, most recently that the Palestinians deserve what
Speaker 3: they've gotten. They could have had a state nineteen in
Speaker 3: two thousand and two thousand and one, they were offered
Speaker 3: ninety six percent of the West Bank, the entire Gaza strip,
Speaker 3: and four percent of what is now Israel, and they
Speaker 3: turned it down. And as Clinton said, you don't get
Speaker 3: that offer again once you've turned it down. And so
Speaker 3: what happened after that is they turned to violence. They
Speaker 3: turned to Lyon. But they have mastered public relations and
Speaker 3: they have become the most dominant force on college campuses today. Today,
Speaker 3: anti Israel, pro Palestinianism is the dominant force on college
Speaker 3: and university campuses now.
Speaker 4: It all happened in two thousand and eight when President
Speaker 4: Obama became president and the next thing he did, I mean,
Speaker 4: he went from we were talking about it. He went
Speaker 4: from a community organizer, the state senator to the United
Speaker 4: States senator to president in two and a half three years.
Speaker 4: Cannot really happen, or where's that help? Where's the help
Speaker 4: behind the scenes. I just I'm only asking, not your
Speaker 4: professional opinion, your gut feeling.
Speaker 3: My gut feeling is you're absolutely right that Obama was
Speaker 3: the beginning of the end for support for Israel among Democrats.
Speaker 3: And now he's become an architect building his museum.
Speaker 4: Did somebody create did somebody if you know him that
Speaker 4: long of a period of time, Yeah, did somebody create
Speaker 4: Barack Obama?
Speaker 3: Who knows? Who knows? Remember the same thing was happening
Speaker 3: all over Europe. People were moving away from Israel. Spain
Speaker 3: has become one of the worst anti Israel places. Look,
Speaker 3: I was watching soaka yesterday, I had to decide whether
Speaker 3: to root for Iran or Belgium. That would be easy.
Speaker 3: I couldn't root for Belgium. Belgium has become a viciously
Speaker 3: anti Semitic place. They now want to ban Kosia slaughter,
Speaker 3: they want to ban circumcision of Jewish children. You know,
Speaker 3: they have become a vicious anti Semitic. Europe is turning
Speaker 3: into what it was in the nineteen thirties. And that's
Speaker 3: why Israel must maintain its own strength, its own independence.
Speaker 3: You know, we who support Israel and America should be
Speaker 3: trying our best within the Republican Party to keep the
Speaker 3: Republican Party strong for Israel. And you know there's a
Speaker 3: problem there too with Tucker Carlson, but it's very important.
Speaker 3: But Israel has to maintain its own independence militarily and
Speaker 3: in every way, because it can't count on the support
Speaker 3: of third countries, of other countries. It's just not true.
Speaker 3: It can't count on the kindness of strangers. Jews made
Speaker 3: that mistake early on in their history by counting on others.
Speaker 3: And then they built Israel and they have the strongest navy,
Speaker 3: the strongest army, the strongest nuclear program. They don't admit
Speaker 3: the nuclear program, but they have it and they have
Speaker 3: to defend themselves, and they're doing a great job. But
Speaker 3: they shouldn't compromise their security to please anybody in the
Speaker 3: Democrat or Republican party.
Speaker 6: Judge Alan, good to talk to you. I'll tell you
Speaker 6: there's another trend that concerns me greatly, and that's the
Speaker 6: trend of the left wing Democrats. They call it court reform. Fundamentally,
Speaker 6: what they want to do is they want to pack
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court of the United States.
Speaker 3: By that, they don't deny that, they say they want
Speaker 3: to pack. They want four justices shortly as soon as
Speaker 3: they get elected to office, and they will shift the
Speaker 3: majority they want. And what's the danger.
Speaker 6: Please please explain to our listeners why are such a
Speaker 6: dangerous phenomena if they politicize the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3: That way, Because then the next people who'll come in
Speaker 3: will add four more justices and then we'll at four
Speaker 3: more justices and you'll have to move the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: to Metz Stadium. You know, there's no end to this.
Speaker 3: If anybody can add justices for political, partisan purposes, then
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court ceases to be a political becomes a
Speaker 3: legislative body, it becomes a legislative body. And by the way,
Speaker 3: before I forget, I got a lovely picture this morning
Speaker 3: of Sid with the President Herzog of Israel together and
Speaker 3: you know both, and I heard suck and said, are
Speaker 3: good friends of mine. So I was thrilled, and I
Speaker 3: posted the picture, and I know Sid it's having a
Speaker 3: great time. I spoke to him the other day, and
Speaker 3: I'm hoping he's having an influence in Israel because people
Speaker 3: there respect him and listen to him. You know, the
Speaker 3: person who's lost a lot of respect in Israel, unfortunately recently,
Speaker 3: has been Donald Trump because in dvance, because there's a
Speaker 3: fear among some that their interests in protecting Israel have diminished.
Speaker 3: I hope that's not true. I still think we have
Speaker 3: a chance of making the deal better than it is
Speaker 3: in the MoU. The MoU itself is very vague and
Speaker 3: very ambiguous. But if the deal itself is a lot stronger,
Speaker 3: it could end up being better than the Obama deal.
Speaker 3: If it ends up being no better than the Obama deal,
Speaker 3: then you know, it's a big loss and a great danger.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Israel should not accept orders from
Speaker 3: the United States to leave Lebanon. Absolutely, Lebanon if Lebanon's
Speaker 3: if Hasbola stops firing. But you know, even Vice President
Speaker 3: Advance when he condemned Israel for firing on Hesbilah, he
Speaker 3: forgot to mention that Hesbilah has been firing on Israel
Speaker 3: and keeping people out of their homes, out of their schools,
Speaker 3: out of their hospitals. Basically, Hesbala's occupied the north of Israel.
Speaker 3: You can occupy a country without sending troops. If you
Speaker 3: send drones and rockets and make everybody leave their homes,
Speaker 3: that's a form of occupation. So you know, Hesbela is
Speaker 3: occupying part of Israel, and Israel is occupying part of
Speaker 3: Hesbellah militarily, that's a standoff, and there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 3: Israel maintaining security control over the areas from which the
Speaker 3: drones are sent. That's typical military action, and that's exactly
Speaker 3: what the United States would do in the comparable situation.
Speaker 4: Professor, you're one hundred and ten percent. Israel has to
Speaker 4: do what's good for Israel, and I agree about Lebanon.
Speaker 4: You cannot allow those terrorists to be in Lebanon. It's
Speaker 4: not good for the Lebanese people. It's not good for
Speaker 4: the Israeli people. The United States. Ronald Trump has to
Speaker 4: do what's best for the United States of America, and
Speaker 4: what's best for the United States of America right now
Speaker 4: is to make sure that November goes in the right direction.
Speaker 4: Otherwise the whole world loses.
Speaker 3: Look, the United States and Israel have so much in common.
Speaker 3: I have a book coming out for July fourth. It's
Speaker 3: actually going to be published this week. It's called Founding
Speaker 3: Fathers and One Jewish Mother, A Jewish Mother Being Golden
Speaker 3: a Year, and it compares the founding of Americason Hamilton, Madison,
Speaker 3: Washington with the founders of Israel Bengorian and Hertzel, and
Speaker 3: it shows the amazing comparisons between the two countries. And
Speaker 3: it uses my own document.
Speaker 4: Well, we love to give you a book. We'd love
Speaker 4: to give you WABC would love to give you a
Speaker 4: book party and bring all your friends.
Speaker 3: That'd be great. I don't have very any friends on
Speaker 3: Martha's Vineyard.
Speaker 2: But yes you do, Yes you do, Alan.
Speaker 7: This is Fernando Matale. This is Fernando Matale. He's no,
Speaker 7: you have many friends at Martha's Vineyard, including Jim Ferraro,
Speaker 7: who you know is your good friend and he is
Speaker 7: he is my son in law, and you know that
Speaker 7: he loves you.
Speaker 2: And him and Professor Durcierwiz. You're warming my heart because
Speaker 2: your book is exactly I wrote a speech for the
Speaker 2: then Israeli Consul General Asasamir for July fourth, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: with exactly that doing these parallels between our founding fathers
Speaker 2: and their founding fathers and mothers. He didn't read it,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't do it. So thank god you wrote the book.
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