1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: I want you to just picture the absolute stillness of 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,679 the Nevada High Desert at like two in the morning. 3 00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is a specific kind of quiet. 4 00:00:10,439 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: It's basically a sensory deprivation tank out there. There are 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,719 no city lights, just this crushing silence and a sky 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,079 that is so crowded with stars it literally looks like 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:21,839 spilled milk. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,359 Speaker 2: And it is freezing. People. Forget how cold the desert 9 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:25,120 gets at nice. 10 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:28,559 Speaker 1: Exactly, it is freezing. You're shivering in this dry cold, 11 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:31,320 and you're standing near the perimeter of the most guarded 12 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:34,399 plot of dirt on Earth, which is Area fifty one. 13 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: A classic spot for this. 14 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: Kind of thing. It is you've been waiting for hours 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,039 or maybe even days, is hoping for a glimpse of something, 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,079 and then the silence doesn't actually break. 17 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: There's no sound at all, none. 18 00:00:44,679 --> 00:00:46,359 Speaker 1: There is no roar of a jet engine, there's no 19 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:50,560 sonic boom. But your equipment lights up on your screen. 20 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:52,560 Just cutting right through the grain of the night vision, 21 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,560 a shape appears, okay, and it's not a saucer. It 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,600 is sharp, it's angular, a perfect triangle, glowing just white 23 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,960 hot against the cold, black sky. Basically a Juriedo flying 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,680 where absolutely nothing should be flying. 25 00:01:05,879 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a wildly compelling image. It sounds exactly 26 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,519 like the start of well every single UFO documentary from 27 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,000 the last thirty years, as he really does. But what 28 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:18,879 makes this specific instance different, and I think why we 29 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,519 are actually talking about it today, is that we aren't 30 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:24,480 relying on just a stories hold over a campfire, right. 31 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,519 We are looking at hard data here. We have infrared signatures, 32 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:31,120 we have trajectory analysis, and we have a context that 33 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,439 is far more complex than just you know, visitors from 34 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,920 beyond exactly, and that is exactly what we are here 35 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:38,760 to unravel. 36 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,519 Speaker 1: So welcome to Thrilling Threads. I am your host, and 37 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,519 I've got a stack of reports here that are frankly 38 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:46,920 a little unsettling, and. 39 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: I am joining you to try and make sense of 40 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,599 the physics and the politics and honestly the paranoia of it. 41 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:55,159 Speaker 1: All, because today isn't just about ghost stories for you 42 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:58,040 guys listening, It's about pulling on the loose threads of 43 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,920 this massive, multi pronged report from News Nation that literally 44 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:05,200 covers everything from the physics of advanced propulsion to the 45 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,359 bureaucracy of state legislation. 46 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:09,159 Speaker 2: It's a huge scope. We are going all over the. 47 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,759 Speaker 1: Map today, we really are. We're starting out in that 48 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,680 freezing Nevada desert, but we are going to end up 49 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:18,520 in some very very unexpected places like the Soviet Union. Yes, 50 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,000 we've got Cold war espionage involving smuggled files from the 51 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,319 crumbling Soviet Union. We've got high tech drone warfare happening 52 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:28,560 right now in the Middle East. 53 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: And a detour into Vermont state politics which. 54 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: Sounds dry, but stick with us because it is actually wild. 55 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,520 And then finally, we're going to dive straight into the 56 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,560 Pacific Ocean to look for things that might be hiding 57 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,199 in basically the basement of our own planet. 58 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,159 Speaker 2: Because it is a global phenomenon, and I think the 59 00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:49,599 mission for this deep dive is to move past that 60 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,960 simple binary of is it aliens or is it a hoax? 61 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: Right? We need the third option, exactly. 62 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: The third option, which is often much more complicated. Is 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,199 it a breakthrough in technology that completely changes the balance 64 00:03:02,199 --> 00:03:03,159 of power on Earth. 65 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: That's the terrifying part. 66 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,159 Speaker 2: It is we are seeing admirals and theoretical physicists and 67 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,520 FBI agents all coming forward with actual data. Now the 68 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:14,759 stigma is evaporating, thank goodness. Yeah, and what is left 69 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,360 is a very difficult set of questions about national security. 70 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: So let's get back to the desert and that triangle. 71 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:26,120 We are looking at footage captured by Anders from uncanny expeditions, and. 72 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: We should note he is a serious researcher, very serious. 73 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,439 Speaker 1: He is not just some guy out there pointing iPhone 74 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:34,280 at this guy. He is serious kit and he captures 75 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,639 this triangular craft near area fifty one. Now, looking at 76 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:42,159 the footage, the Internet being the Internet immediately dubbed it 77 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,199 the jurido. 78 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: Which is a colloquialism that definitely sticks. But technically speaking, 79 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:50,039 we are looking at a flying wing or a delta 80 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,479 wing planform, right, But the. 81 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,879 Speaker 1: Shape isn't even the most important part of what Andrew's caused. 82 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: No, it's the spectrum he was filming in. He was 83 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,960 using thermal imaging infrared. 84 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: So for the audience, walk us through why that matters 85 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,560 so much. Why isn't a standard video camera enough. 86 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: Well, standard video captures reflected light. If it is pitch 87 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:10,919 black out there, you see absolutely nothing makes sense. But 88 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:14,960 infrared captures thermal radiation, It captures heat. In the footage, 89 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,759 the object is glowing white. 90 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,439 Speaker 1: Hot, which means it's incredibly warm. 91 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,439 Speaker 2: Yes, it means the skin of the aircraft, or at 92 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,319 least the area around the propulsion system, is significantly hotter 93 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:28,439 than the surrounding ambient air. But here is the kicker, 94 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,959 and this is the single detail that changes the entire conversation. 95 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,319 Anders noted a contrail a. 96 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: Contra Okay, so that is just water vapor, right, like 97 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,680 the white lines we see yeh behind normal airliner. 98 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,199 Speaker 2: It is more than just vapor. It is a signature 99 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,600 of combustion. A contrail forms when the really hot exhaust 100 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,040 gases from a jet engine meet the freezing cold upper 101 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,079 atmosphere air. Right, The water vapor condenses around soot or 102 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,279 particulate matter from the engine. So if you see a contrail, 103 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,879 you are almost certainly seeing the result of burning fuel. 104 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,399 Speaker 1: Misch implies what exactly. 105 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:04,519 Speaker 2: It implies conventional terrestrial physics. Okay, if we look at 106 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:08,480 the theoretical framework for quote unquote alien propulsion, anti gravity, 107 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,519 or warp drives exactly field propulsion, none of those theoretical 108 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,439 systems should be burning JETI fuel and spitting out dirty. 109 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: Exhausts because they're advanced. 110 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: Right, they would likely be totally silent and heat neutral, 111 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:24,040 or at least operate on a principle that does not 112 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,000 involve internal combustion. 113 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:28,519 Speaker 1: So the moment you see a contrail. 114 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: The probability of it being off world drops to near zero, 115 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:35,120 and the probability of it being a classified US military 116 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,800 asset skyrockets. 117 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm going to play Devil's advocate here for 118 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:42,680 a second. If this is a super secret stealth plane, 119 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:46,079 why is it glowing like a Christmas tree on an 120 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,720 infrared camera. Isn't the whole entire point of stealth technology 121 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,399 to hide your heat signature so that heat seeking missiles 122 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:55,480 can't lock onto you. 123 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: That is a fantastic point, and it suggests two very 124 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,759 distinct possibilities. Possibility one is that we are seeing a 125 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,360 test of a platform where thermal masking just wasn't the 126 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,959 priority for that specific flight. 127 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,199 Speaker 1: They were testing something. 128 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,959 Speaker 2: Else exactly, maybe aerodynamics or adeonics. Possibility too, is that 129 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,279 the stealth design is optimized entirely for radar cross. 130 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,759 Speaker 1: Section, meaning making it invisible to radar. 131 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: Right, But they haven't quite solved the thermal bloom of 132 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,639 the engine yet. Heat is incredibly hard to hide. 133 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: So Andrews's conclusion was that this is terrestrial. It is ours, yes, 134 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,279 which I mean it is still really exciting. Seeing a 135 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:35,079 billion dollar secret project is cool. But to help us 136 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,279 categorize this whole encounter, we looked at the commentary from 137 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:39,959 doctor Michio Kaku, and. 138 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: Kaku is a heavy wight. 139 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: He really is. He's a theoretical physicist, yeah, a string theorist. 140 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,399 He does not deal in maybe he deals in scales 141 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:50,199 of civilization. 142 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: He is brilliant at providing a taxonomy for the unknown. 143 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,639 He usually references the Kardashev scale for civilizations, but here 144 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,240 he applied a specific contact scale for these encounters. 145 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,759 Speaker 1: Breaking them down to three distinct types. 146 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: Yes, Type one is visual only you see something weird, 147 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,319 it performs maneuvers that seem impossible, but that is the 148 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,199 extent of it. You have no debris, you have no 149 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:13,120 physical proof. 150 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,399 Speaker 1: So it's basically the I saw a ghost state precisely. 151 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: Type two is physical evidence. This is where you have 152 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,040 radar confirmation that backs up the visual sighting. 153 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: Which we are actually starting to get a lot of 154 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:23,399 we are. 155 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: It's also where you might recover a piece of strange metal, 156 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:29,279 or you have physical trace effects on the environment like 157 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,079 radiation burns on the ground where. 158 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:32,519 Speaker 1: Something landed, and then type three. 159 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:37,079 Speaker 2: Type three is a close encounter interaction. You actually communicate 160 00:07:37,079 --> 00:07:40,439 with the intelligence. You shake hands, or I guess more 161 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,680 likely you exchange math. 162 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: So Kaku looks at this Dorito footage from area fifty 163 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:47,839 one and says, we are ware. 164 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,319 Speaker 2: He says, we are firmly in type one. He used 165 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:52,839 a really great phrase. Actually, he said, we are googling 166 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:53,800 them with radar. 167 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: Googling them with radar. I love that we. 168 00:07:56,079 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: Are observing them from a distance, but we are not touching. 169 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: We aren't engaging at Kaku, being a scientist, looked at 170 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,199 the shape and the behavior of this thing and immediately 171 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,319 started listing suspects, human suspect. 172 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: Right, he brought up the X forty seven B. 173 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,199 Speaker 1: The X forty seven B. I actually looked this up 174 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:14,040 before we started. It is a wicked looking machine. It's 175 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,399 a carrier based drone. Right. It looks exactly like a 176 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:19,399 shrunken down B two stealth bomber. 177 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,879 Speaker 2: It does. It is a cranked kite design, highly stealthy, 178 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,199 very advanced. But here is the mystery with that specific airframe. 179 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:29,720 The X forty seven B program was officially canceled in 180 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:33,360 twenty fourteen. It was supposedly just a demonstrator. It supposedly 181 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,320 went to a museum. 182 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:36,919 Speaker 1: So if it's sitting in a museum, why is it 183 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,440 flying over the Nevada Desert a decade later? 184 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: Because canceled in the defense world is a very tricky word, 185 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,080 no convenient word, very convenient. Often a program is canceled publicly, 186 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,039 but the technology is just folded into a black program. 187 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,360 The public funding goes dark, the name changes, and the 188 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:55,840 testing continues out of sight. 189 00:08:56,039 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: Kaku also mentioned another one, the MQ twenty five Stingrays. 190 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,000 The sting Ray which sounds like a sleek sports car, 191 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,240 but it's actually a gas station. 192 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: We really is. It is an unmanned aerial refueler. It 193 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:11,320 is designed top off fighter jets mid mission while they 194 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,559 are in the air. That's wild, and it also has 195 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,120 that stealthy, blended wing body shape. Kaku's overarching point is simple, 196 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,840 we have things in our active inventory right now that 197 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:23,519 look exactly like UFOs to the untrained eye. 198 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:26,519 Speaker 1: So if you see a Stingray flying at night, silent 199 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,200 and weirdly shaped, your brain immediately goes to aliens. 200 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: But reality goes to logistics. It's just moving, fool. 201 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:35,759 Speaker 1: It's honestly almost a letdown. You're standing there saying take 202 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:38,600 me to your leader, and the craft is like, sorry, 203 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,279 I'm just here to deliver five hundred gallons of jet fuel. 204 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: It lacks the romance of a sci fi movie for sure, 205 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:49,879 but that leads us perfectly to Nick Poke's perspective. 206 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,159 Speaker 1: Right. Nick Pope, who's to run the UFO desk for 207 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,960 the UK Ministry of Defense. 208 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: He has a very pragmatic view on this secret tech theory. 209 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,960 He calls it the fifteen to twenty rule, which. 210 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,919 Speaker 1: Is the idea that the military is basically living in 211 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:03,440 the future. 212 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: Essentially, Yes, he argues that the tech we see being 213 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:09,759 declassified today, like the F twenty two Raptor or the 214 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,360 F thirty five, was actually flying in secret twenty years ago. Wow, 215 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,440 and Area fifty one has a very long documented history 216 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,399 of doing exactly this. Think back to the fifties. The 217 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,960 U two spy plane was flying its seventy thousand. 218 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Feet way higher than anything else. 219 00:10:23,399 --> 00:10:26,399 Speaker 2: Right, So commercial pilots and civilians on the ground would 220 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:29,080 see the sun reflecting off its silver wings at dusk 221 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,240 when everything below was totally. 222 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: Dark, and they called them in as UFOs exactly. 223 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,879 Speaker 2: Then in the sixties you had the SR seventy one 224 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,080 Blackbird doing the same thing. In the eighties the F 225 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:44,120 one to seventeen Nighthawk. Every single generation produces a UFO 226 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,480 that eventually just becomes a museum piece. 227 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: So this Drina we are looking at is just the 228 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:51,960 high school class of twenty forties museum piece flying around today. 229 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: That is the prevailing theory among defense analysts, and Pope 230 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,559 added a fascinating detail about how the British government historically 231 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:00,919 viewed whole phenomenon. 232 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: Oh this is great back in the nineties, right, Yeah, the. 233 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: Money wasn't sitting around asking are we alone in the universe? 234 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:07,799 That wasn't their job. They were asking does that thing 235 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,039 have a better engine than we do? 236 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,919 Speaker 1: Pure pragmatism entirely. 237 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,799 Speaker 2: Their policy was very clear. If it is Alien, we 238 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,080 want the tech. If it is Russian, we need the tech. 239 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: It was just an arms race acquisition mindset. I had 240 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,559 nothing and that mindset, that idea of grab the tech 241 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:24,960 before the other guy gets it. That is a perfect 242 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:26,159 bridge to our next section. 243 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: Because the US wasn't the only one playing this game. 244 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: Not at all. Because while the US was playing with 245 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:35,399 stealth in the desert. The Soviet Union was dealing with 246 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,000 their own terrifying sky anomalies, and this part of the 247 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,279 News Nation Report, honestly, it felt like a John lecerris 248 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:42,879 By novel. 249 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: It really does. We are moving to the work of 250 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:49,679 investigative journalist George Knapp and former FBI agent Ben Hansen. 251 00:11:49,799 --> 00:11:52,039 Speaker 1: They were discussing what they call the Russian. 252 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:54,759 Speaker 2: Files, and to really understand the gravity of these files, 253 00:11:55,039 --> 00:11:57,000 you have to put yourself in the context of the 254 00:11:57,039 --> 00:12:00,279 early nineties. The Iron Curtain wasn't just falling, it was 255 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,799 completely shattering. 256 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: The Soviet Union was dissolving in real time. 257 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: Absolute unprecedented chaos. The military structure was collapsing. 258 00:12:08,039 --> 00:12:11,919 Speaker 1: And in that chaos George Knapp saw an unbelievable opportunity. 259 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: He did. He actually traveled to Russia and he managed 260 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,840 to make contacts with high level military officials who were 261 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:21,240 suddenly unpaid. They were disillusioned, and they were sitting on 262 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,360 literal mountains of classified secrets. 263 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:25,639 Speaker 1: And they wanted this information out in the world. 264 00:12:25,759 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: Yes, but getting it out of Moscow was a major felony. 265 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:30,120 It was espionage. 266 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: So how on earth did he do it? You can't 267 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,399 just drop classified Soviet defense documents in a FedEx box 268 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:37,559 and mail them to Nevada. 269 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: No, you absolutely cannot. According to NAP's own account, he 270 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:44,039 had to physically smuggle them out of the country himself. 271 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:44,759 Speaker 1: Incredible. 272 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: He recounts sitting in these drab offices with these Russian 273 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,279 officials and they would hand him a thick file. He 274 00:12:51,279 --> 00:12:53,440 would then have to physically rip off the. 275 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,519 Speaker 1: Cover sheet, the one with the big red stamps, the 276 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:55,840 one that. 277 00:12:55,879 --> 00:12:58,759 Speaker 2: Said State secret in Russian. He'd tear it off, and 278 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:01,759 then he would mix the actual reports into bundles of 279 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,039 regular daily. 280 00:13:02,799 --> 00:13:04,519 Speaker 1: Newspapers, just blending it in. 281 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: Blending it with hotel receipts and innocuous letters. He was 282 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,679 basically hiding the needles in a haystack that he built himself. 283 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:15,399 Speaker 1: So he literally walked through Russian customs with a suitcase 284 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,279 full of trash. That was actually the hidden history of 285 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,840 the Soviet UFO program. 286 00:13:19,919 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: He did, and what those smuggled files revealed was totally 287 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:25,000 counter to the public. 288 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:29,399 Speaker 1: Narrative because publicly the USSR was mocking the United States 289 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,639 for believing in flying saucers exactly. 290 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 2: They called it bourgeois psychosis. They said it was just 291 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,240 weak minded Western propaganda. 292 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: But privately, privately they were obsessed. 293 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: They had a massive, sprawling military study that was tracking 294 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,919 thousands of unexplained incidents across their airspace. 295 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: And one incident in those files really stood out to me. 296 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:50,919 The jellyfish. 297 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 2: Ah, yes, the jellyfish. This was a documented mass sighting 298 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:56,840 in the nineteen eighties. 299 00:13:57,159 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Tell them what it looked like, because it's not a saucer. 300 00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:02,279 Speaker 2: It wasn't metallic. All the files describe a low altitude 301 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,960 object hovering over a populated area, and it was massive 302 00:14:06,039 --> 00:14:09,080 in scale. It was estimated by military observers to be 303 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,759 four hundred and fifty feet long. 304 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:14,039 Speaker 1: I just want you listening to visualize that four hundred 305 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,600 and fifty feet That is a skyscraper floating horizontally in 306 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:18,000 the sky. 307 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:21,799 Speaker 2: It's immense. And the description was that it looked organic. 308 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: Or at least fluid, like a living thing. 309 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:26,559 Speaker 2: They called it jellyfish like. It had appendages or trails 310 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:27,919 hanging down from the main body. 311 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: That is deeply unsettling. 312 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: Ben Hansen draws a very direct parallel here to the 313 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,200 Phoenix Lights incident that happened in Arizona back in nineteen 314 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:35,879 ninety seven, So. 315 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: That makes sense. The giant v shape. 316 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: Right. In both cases, you have a massive object. It 317 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:43,159 is completely silent, It is seen by hundreds or thousands 318 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:46,399 of normal people, and the government response in both countries 319 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,159 is total silence or active ridicule. 320 00:14:49,399 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: Now here's where the skeptic in me wakes up a 321 00:14:51,399 --> 00:14:55,440 little bit. The report mentions a global spike in UFO 322 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:57,120 sightings in the late seventies. 323 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: Yes, right around nineteen seventy seven and nineteen seventy eight. 324 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: My immediate thought when I hear that timeline is Star 325 00:15:02,759 --> 00:15:05,080 Wars close encounters are the third kind. 326 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: The pop culture explosion. 327 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,559 Speaker 1: Exactly suddenly everyone has spaceshifts on the brain. Isn't this 328 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,320 just mass hysteria driven entirely by Hollywood blockbusters. 329 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,879 Speaker 2: What you're describing is known as the psychosocial hypothesis, and 330 00:15:17,919 --> 00:15:20,120 it is usually a very strong skeptical argument. 331 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense to me. 332 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:24,799 Speaker 2: It does, But Hans encounters it using the Russian data. 333 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,120 In nineteen seventy eight, the average Soviet citizen in Siberia 334 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,320 was not watching Steven Spielberg movies. 335 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,919 Speaker 1: All right. The Iron Curtain was still up. 336 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: Western media was strictly banned. They had no idea who 337 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:38,240 Luke Skywalker was Yet the Russian military file showed the 338 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:42,039 exact same massive spike in civilian and military sightings at 339 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,720 the exact same time as the West Wow. 340 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: So unless the Aliens were coordinating their planetary tour dates 341 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:50,320 with the Hollywood release. 342 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: Schedule, which seems unlikely. 343 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,519 Speaker 1: Very it suggests that something actually happened physically in the atmosphere. 344 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: It suggests a genuine external stimulus into of local culture. 345 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: That is wild. And speaking of culture and geography, we 346 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,279 really have to talk about the abduction map. 347 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: I knew you were going to bring this up. 348 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,759 Speaker 1: It was my favorite weird detail from the whole report. 349 00:16:13,039 --> 00:16:17,360 A Canadian sports betting company put out actual betting odds 350 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,399 on alien obduction. 351 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,159 Speaker 2: It sounds completely absurd on the surface, it. 352 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,679 Speaker 1: Really does, like who is placing that bet? Do you 353 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:25,279 want to live there to win the bet or avoid 354 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,360 it so you can stay on Earth? 355 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: Right? But the data set they used to calculate those 356 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,440 odds is completely real. They mapped decades of sightings and 357 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,519 abduction reports on a per capita. 358 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: Basis and they found a distinct pattern, a very. 359 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: Strong pattern, the odds of being abducted, or at least 360 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,320 reporting that you were abducted are exponentially higher in coastal 361 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,960 states and near very large bodies of water. 362 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:49,519 Speaker 1: So Florida, the Great Lakes, the Pacific Northwest. Hanson mentioned 363 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:52,360 the key Portland weird factor for Oregon. 364 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: He did, and there is a valid sociological question. There 365 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,480 are people in certain areas like Oregon just more culturally 366 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:01,919 open admitting they saw something strange. 367 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: Is it just a reporting bias. 368 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: Exactly, or is there a physical correlation between the phenomenon 369 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,799 and deep water the water connection. 370 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: We are going to come back to that because before 371 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,519 we dive into the ocean, we have to talk about 372 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:19,599 the airspace that is decidedly not weird but is incredibly dangerous. 373 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:19,839 Speaker 2: In the Middle East. 374 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: Yes, this is where the story shifts entirely from folklore 375 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,359 and lights in the sky to modern high stakes warfare. 376 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 2: This is perhaps the most critical part of the modern 377 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,880 evidence we have. We are talking about videos released by 378 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,559 Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp. 379 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: But the source of these videos isn't a guy in 380 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:37,920 his backyard. 381 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,039 Speaker 2: No, the source is the NQ nine Reaper drone. 382 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: Let's set the scene for the listener here. The Reaper 383 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,400 is a hunter killer military drone. It has sensors that 384 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,359 are specifically designed to spot a combatant hiding in a 385 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,319 cave from miles and miles away. 386 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: It does not get confused by weather, balloons or birds. 387 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,160 These sensors are multi spectral targeting pods. They are incredibly 388 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,160 expensive military grade hardware, and Corbell released two specific clips 389 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,039 from these drones. 390 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,799 Speaker 1: Let's look at the Persian Gulf footage from twenty twelve. 391 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:10,599 Speaker 2: First, the one they call the slingshot. 392 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: Yes, the slingshot. What exactly are we looking at? There? 393 00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 2: You see three small unidentified objects moving in a very 394 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,319 tight triangular formation over the water. Then one of the 395 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,319 objects lags behind, it falls out of the formation, and 396 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,759 then instantaneously it snaps right back into its original place. 397 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: When you say it snaps back, we aren't talking about 398 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,480 a plane slowing down and then slowly hitting the throttle 399 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:33,119 to catch up. 400 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: No, we are talking about going from zero to hundreds 401 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,119 of miles per hour in a literal fraction of. 402 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:39,599 Speaker 1: A second, which shouldn't be possible. 403 00:18:39,759 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: It's the inertia problem. The g forces involved in that 404 00:18:43,079 --> 00:18:46,720 kind of sudden acceleration would turn any known electronics into 405 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:49,319 dust and any biological pilot into soup. 406 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,759 Speaker 1: Because physics says, you need energy to move mass. Yeah, 407 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:54,440 you cannot just be at point A and then suddenly 408 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,200 be at point B without traversing the space in between 409 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,880 and dealing with atmospheric resistance exactly. 410 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: The air should compress and heat up, there should be 411 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,200 a sonic boom. There is none. 412 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: And then you have the Syria footage from twenty twenty one. 413 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: That one is even more striking in some way. 414 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: It's a sphere, a literal flying metallic. 415 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: Ball, and the drone has a hard weapons grade lock 416 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,000 on it. The sphere is moving steadily through the war zone, 417 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,079 and then it suddenly changes direction and dashes out of 418 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,000 the frame at extreme speed. No wings, no wings, no tail, 419 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,319 no exhaust plume. 420 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:28,759 Speaker 1: This is where Nick Pope comes back into the conversation 421 00:19:28,839 --> 00:19:29,880 with his war zone theory. 422 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 2: It's a very grounded theory. He points out that Syria 423 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,839 is currently the most crowded airspace on the planet. 424 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: It is basically a sandbox for World War three technology. 425 00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: You have the US, you have Russia, China, Iran, Israel, Turkey. 426 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,400 Everyone is operating top to your hardware in one tiny area. 427 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,039 Speaker 1: So Pope asks a very valid Okhams Razor type question, 428 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,759 is it more likely that extraterrestrials are visiting a dusty 429 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:57,400 Syrian battlefield, or that an adversary is testing a brand 430 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:58,079 new drone. 431 00:19:58,279 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: It makes logical sense. It is the ultimate field test. 432 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: Right. If you want to know if your new experimental 433 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,279 spy drone can beat American radar, you fly it right 434 00:20:08,279 --> 00:20:10,440 in front of an American Reaper drone and see what happens. 435 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: Precisely, it is a deliberate provocation. You are measuring their 436 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,039 response time. 437 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,319 Speaker 1: But even Pope admits that the maneuvering we see in 438 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,640 these videos completely defies our current understanding of physics. 439 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: That is the terrifying catch. If China or Russia has 440 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,319 a drone that can pull one hundred g's and fly 441 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,720 without wings. 442 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:32,279 Speaker 1: We have a massive problem, the generational problem, and that 443 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:34,480 brings us to the fear factor of this whole topic. 444 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,079 If it is aliens, it is an existential crisis for humanity, 445 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,480 but if it's China, it is a catastrophic national security failure. 446 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:45,559 Speaker 2: And the Pentagon's response to all of this has been 447 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:46,640 the classic no comment. 448 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,759 Speaker 1: They confirm the videos are real, and then they refuse 449 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:49,640 to explain them. 450 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:51,079 Speaker 2: Which is incredibly frustrated. 451 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,599 Speaker 1: It is annoying everyone boy, and not just UFO hunters 452 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:57,240 on the internet. It is annoying actual state legislators. 453 00:20:57,279 --> 00:20:59,599 Speaker 2: This was honestly the most surprising thread in the whole 454 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:02,359 report for me. We go from the Middle East to Vermont, 455 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,519 a very small, very quiet state, but Representative Troy Hendrick 456 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,759 is making a lot of noise. 457 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: He is. He introduced a bill in the state House 458 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:15,799 to create a state level task force on UAPs. 459 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: Unidentified anomalist phenomenon. 460 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,319 Speaker 1: Right, and he was very, very careful to distance himself 461 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,440 from the crazy aspect of the topic. 462 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: He is not standing up there talking about alien probing 463 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:27,359 or crop circles, not at all. 464 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:29,319 Speaker 1: He is talking strictly about safety. 465 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: His pitch to the legislature is basically, I don't care 466 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,200 if it is a Martian or a Russian spy or 467 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,559 a teenager with a Dji Phantom drone. Right, if it 468 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,960 is flying in our airspace and we do not know 469 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,920 what it is, it is a hazard to aviation. 470 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,759 Speaker 1: It's such a brilliant pivot. By framing it purely as 471 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:51,440 airspace safety, he makes it a bureaucratic necessity. 472 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: Rather than a fringe sci fi hobby. 473 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,519 Speaker 1: Exactly. He's looking at future proofing the state too. Think 474 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,119 about delivery drones. Amazon is rolling him out. Hospitals use 475 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,319 them for medical delivery, Police surveillance drones are everywhere. 476 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,599 Speaker 2: The low altitude airspace is getting incredibly crowded, so the. 477 00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: State needs to know exactly what is up there. 478 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,519 Speaker 2: And his bill actually has teeth. It calls for a 479 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:16,119 centralized reporting mechanism and crucially a yearly public report. 480 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,519 Speaker 1: Which is huge because right now the data is just 481 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,640 scattered or hidden. 482 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: Hendrick points out that currently, if a commercial pilot over 483 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:25,880 Vermont sees something strange, the data goes straight to the 484 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,960 FEDS or to private defense contractors. 485 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: And it disappears into a black hole. 486 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 2: Exactly. He wants the citizens of Vermont to actually own 487 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,319 the data that is generated in their own state. It 488 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,920 is a push for transparency starting from the bottom up. 489 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,799 Speaker 1: It represents a massive cultural shift from ridicule to regulation. 490 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,000 It legitimizes the entire topic. 491 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: It moves it from the tabloids directly to the town hall. 492 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:50,279 Speaker 1: Now, for our final segment today, we are going to 493 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:52,279 leave the town hall and go somewhere where no town 494 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,160 hall exists. 495 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:54,319 Speaker 2: We are going underwater. 496 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: Yes, the final frontier isn't space it's the ocean, and 497 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,000 this brings in the trans medium phenomenon. 498 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 2: This is where things get truly difficult to comprehend. And 499 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:07,039 our expert voice here is Rear Admiral Tim Galladet, and we. 500 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,759 Speaker 1: Need to pause on his credentials. A retired rear admiral 501 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:11,680 in the US Navy. 502 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: This is not a guy who spends his weekends posting 503 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,359 conspiracy theories on Reddit. 504 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,759 Speaker 1: No, he commanded entire carrier strike groups. 505 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,079 Speaker 2: He is also a trained meteorologist and an oceanographer for 506 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,440 the Navy. He deals strictly in empirical data, and he is. 507 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: Sending a massive alarm right now about. 508 00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:31,519 Speaker 2: USOS unidentified submerged objects. 509 00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: Trans Medium is the key word he uses. Can you 510 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,720 explain the actual physics of what that means? 511 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: Trans Medium means an object that can move seamlessly from 512 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,559 the vacuum of space into the atmosphere and then directly 513 00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:46,440 into the water without blowing up right, Think about the 514 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,039 physics of skipping a stone on a lake. If you 515 00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:51,960 throw a rock too hard at the water, it shatters. 516 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,319 Speaker 1: Because water at high speed acts like. 517 00:23:53,319 --> 00:23:57,279 Speaker 2: A solid exactly. It is like hitting concrete. To fly 518 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,799 a craft through the air at mock one and then 519 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,240 dive directly into the ocean without slowing down or breaking apart. 520 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: It requires technology that we simply do not possess. 521 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,319 Speaker 2: It requires a way to negate density or mass. It 522 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,240 is physically impossible for our current material sciences. 523 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: Yet Admiral Galadet says the Navy is seeing. 524 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,279 Speaker 2: This happen regularly. He points to a very specific location. 525 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:22,759 There is an undersea canyon just off the coast of 526 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,839 Redondo Beach. 527 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: California, right in our own backyard, and. 528 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: He cites hard sonar data, acoustic data from nuclear submarines 529 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,319 tracking objects moving at hundreds of knots underwater. 530 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,599 Speaker 1: Just to put that in perspective, our fastest torpedoes top 531 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,039 out way way below that. 532 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: And these objects aren't just moving fast in a straight line. 533 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,200 They are maneuvering. 534 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,759 Speaker 1: And the report also mentions lou Elizondo's new book Imminent, 535 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,799 where he talks about overhead intelligence satellites capturing these things 536 00:24:50,839 --> 00:24:51,880 going in and out of the water. 537 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 2: The visual confirmation matches the sonar data, and. 538 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: Galadet has a theory about why they are down there 539 00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,920 in the first place. 540 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: The empty house theory or the map. 541 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: Gap explain the map gap because this blew my mind. 542 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: It's a statistical fact that we have mapped one hundred 543 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,559 percent of the surface of the Moon. We have mapped 544 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,359 the surface of Mars to a higher resolution than our 545 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,920 own planet. 546 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:16,799 Speaker 1: Because we can see it with telescopes. 547 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,599 Speaker 2: Right, but we have only explored maybe twenty to twenty 548 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:21,400 five percent of our own ocean floor. 549 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: It is completely dark down there. 550 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: It's dark, the pressure is immense, and it is vast. 551 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,440 His logic is unassailable. If you wanted to build a 552 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,079 base of operations on Earth and ensure that no human 553 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,839 being ever stumbled upon it. 554 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: You wouldn't put it in a Nevada desert. 555 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:40,039 Speaker 2: No, you would put it in a deep thermal trench 556 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,839 at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. 557 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,799 Speaker 1: It is terrifyingly logical. We are all standing in our 558 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,720 backyards looking up at the stars, wondering where they are 559 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,519 coming from. 560 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,599 Speaker 2: And they might literally be living in the basement. 561 00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: Wow. And this totally connects back to that app we 562 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,759 mentioned briefly earlier. 563 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: In Enigma labs, right, the Civilian Reporting Network. 564 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,279 Speaker 1: They're collecting massive amounts of data from regular people and pilots, 565 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:06,400 and they are seeing a huge cluster of orbs being 566 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,000 reported near bodies. 567 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,319 Speaker 2: Of water, and these orbs do not have standard FAA strobe. 568 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:13,559 Speaker 1: Lights, no anti collision lights at all. 569 00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,079 Speaker 2: They just hover over the surface and they drop silently 570 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:16,759 into the sea. 571 00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: It heavily suggests a base of operations right off our coast. 572 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:22,319 It does. So we've pulled all these threads today. Let's 573 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:23,039 synthesize this. 574 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 2: It's a lot to take in, it really is. 575 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: We have the Dorido craft in the desert that might 576 00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,079 be our own secret black budget planes hiding in plain sight. 577 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: We have the Russian files proving that this phenomenon has 578 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:39,000 been tracked globally for decades, regardless of pop culture. 579 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:41,839 Speaker 1: We have the drone wars in the Middle East showing 580 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,440 us impossible physics playing out in active conflict zones. 581 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: We have state lawmakers in Vermont actively trying to regulate 582 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,680 the skies for safety. 583 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,839 Speaker 1: And we have Navy admirals pointing to the deepotions. 584 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: The big picture that emerges from all of this data 585 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,160 is stark. We are not in full control of our 586 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:58,759 own environment. 587 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,559 Speaker 1: You really aren't. 588 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 2: Or it is another terrestrial country, or a breakaway civilization, 589 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:08,160 or another species. Entirely, something is operating in our skies 590 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:08,759 and our seas. 591 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: With absolute impunity, and the stigma is finally gone. The 592 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,559 data is being demanded by everyone from string theorists. 593 00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:19,079 Speaker 2: To state reps, which is exactly what we need, transparency. 594 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: And that leads me to the question I want to 595 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,759 leave all of you listening with today because it is 596 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,559 a question of fear. Okay. We tend to think that 597 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,400 aliens is the scariest possible answer to this mystery. 598 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 2: It's the ultimate unknown. 599 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: Right, But is it really the scariest? Think about this. 600 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,559 If these objects are terrestrial, if China or Russia or 601 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,960 even a rogue, unchecked element of the US military has 602 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,000 possessed this kind of physics defying technology for decades. 603 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: Technology that makes our current jet fighters look like literal paper. 604 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: Airplanes exactly, isn't that actually worse. 605 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 2: From a sociological standpoint, Yes, if it is aliens, it 606 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,559 changes our philosophy and our place in the universe. 607 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: But if it is humans, it means the entire geopolitical 608 00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,240 order is a complete lie. 609 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 2: It means someone currently has the power to dominate the 610 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,400 entire planet instantly and they are just waiting for the 611 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,400 right moment to use it. 612 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: That chills me to the bone. So I am asking 613 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:17,920 you the listener directly look at the data we talked 614 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,960 about today. Are you team secret tech or are you 615 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:22,319 team extraterrestrial? 616 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,839 Speaker 2: Which reality do you actually find more comforting or more terrifying? 617 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: And as I always remember, just because you can't see 618 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,200 it doesn't mean it's not watching you from the deep. 619 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:33,559 Let us know your thoughts in the comments below. Thanks 620 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,599 for diving in with us on trailing threads. We will 621 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,599 see you in the next one.