Speaker 1: I want you to just picture the absolute stillness of
the Nevada High Desert at like two in the morning.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is a specific kind of quiet.
Speaker 1: It's basically a sensory deprivation tank out there. There are
no city lights, just this crushing silence and a sky
that is so crowded with stars it literally looks like
spilled milk.
Speaker 2: And it is freezing. People. Forget how cold the desert
gets at nice.
Speaker 1: Exactly, it is freezing. You're shivering in this dry cold,
and you're standing near the perimeter of the most guarded
plot of dirt on Earth, which is Area fifty one.
Speaker 2: A classic spot for this.
Speaker 1: Kind of thing. It is you've been waiting for hours
or maybe even days, is hoping for a glimpse of something,
and then the silence doesn't actually break.
Speaker 2: There's no sound at all, none.
Speaker 1: There is no roar of a jet engine, there's no
sonic boom. But your equipment lights up on your screen.
Just cutting right through the grain of the night vision,
a shape appears, okay, and it's not a saucer. It
is sharp, it's angular, a perfect triangle, glowing just white
hot against the cold, black sky. Basically a Juriedo flying
where absolutely nothing should be flying.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a wildly compelling image. It sounds exactly
like the start of well every single UFO documentary from
the last thirty years, as he really does. But what
makes this specific instance different, and I think why we
are actually talking about it today, is that we aren't
relying on just a stories hold over a campfire, right.
We are looking at hard data here. We have infrared signatures,
we have trajectory analysis, and we have a context that
is far more complex than just you know, visitors from
beyond exactly, and that is exactly what we are here
to unravel.
Speaker 1: So welcome to Thrilling Threads. I am your host, and
I've got a stack of reports here that are frankly
a little unsettling, and.
Speaker 2: I am joining you to try and make sense of
the physics and the politics and honestly the paranoia of it.
Speaker 1: All, because today isn't just about ghost stories for you
guys listening, It's about pulling on the loose threads of
this massive, multi pronged report from News Nation that literally
covers everything from the physics of advanced propulsion to the
bureaucracy of state legislation.
Speaker 2: It's a huge scope. We are going all over the.
Speaker 1: Map today, we really are. We're starting out in that
freezing Nevada desert, but we are going to end up
in some very very unexpected places like the Soviet Union. Yes,
we've got Cold war espionage involving smuggled files from the
crumbling Soviet Union. We've got high tech drone warfare happening
right now in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: And a detour into Vermont state politics which.
Speaker 1: Sounds dry, but stick with us because it is actually wild.
And then finally, we're going to dive straight into the
Pacific Ocean to look for things that might be hiding
in basically the basement of our own planet.
Speaker 2: Because it is a global phenomenon, and I think the
mission for this deep dive is to move past that
simple binary of is it aliens or is it a hoax?
Speaker 1: Right? We need the third option, exactly.
Speaker 2: The third option, which is often much more complicated. Is
it a breakthrough in technology that completely changes the balance
of power on Earth.
Speaker 1: That's the terrifying part.
Speaker 2: It is we are seeing admirals and theoretical physicists and
FBI agents all coming forward with actual data. Now the
stigma is evaporating, thank goodness. Yeah, and what is left
is a very difficult set of questions about national security.
Speaker 1: So let's get back to the desert and that triangle.
We are looking at footage captured by Anders from uncanny expeditions, and.
Speaker 2: We should note he is a serious researcher, very serious.
Speaker 1: He is not just some guy out there pointing iPhone
at this guy. He is serious kit and he captures
this triangular craft near area fifty one. Now, looking at
the footage, the Internet being the Internet immediately dubbed it
the jurido.
Speaker 2: Which is a colloquialism that definitely sticks. But technically speaking,
we are looking at a flying wing or a delta
wing planform, right, But the.
Speaker 1: Shape isn't even the most important part of what Andrew's caused.
Speaker 2: No, it's the spectrum he was filming in. He was
using thermal imaging infrared.
Speaker 1: So for the audience, walk us through why that matters
so much. Why isn't a standard video camera enough.
Speaker 2: Well, standard video captures reflected light. If it is pitch
black out there, you see absolutely nothing makes sense. But
infrared captures thermal radiation, It captures heat. In the footage,
the object is glowing white.
Speaker 1: Hot, which means it's incredibly warm.
Speaker 2: Yes, it means the skin of the aircraft, or at
least the area around the propulsion system, is significantly hotter
than the surrounding ambient air. But here is the kicker,
and this is the single detail that changes the entire conversation.
Anders noted a contrail a.
Speaker 1: Contra Okay, so that is just water vapor, right, like
the white lines we see yeh behind normal airliner.
Speaker 2: It is more than just vapor. It is a signature
of combustion. A contrail forms when the really hot exhaust
gases from a jet engine meet the freezing cold upper
atmosphere air. Right, The water vapor condenses around soot or
particulate matter from the engine. So if you see a contrail,
you are almost certainly seeing the result of burning fuel.
Speaker 1: Misch implies what exactly.
Speaker 2: It implies conventional terrestrial physics. Okay, if we look at
the theoretical framework for quote unquote alien propulsion, anti gravity,
or warp drives exactly field propulsion, none of those theoretical
systems should be burning JETI fuel and spitting out dirty.
Speaker 1: Exhausts because they're advanced.
Speaker 2: Right, they would likely be totally silent and heat neutral,
or at least operate on a principle that does not
involve internal combustion.
Speaker 1: So the moment you see a contrail.
Speaker 2: The probability of it being off world drops to near zero,
and the probability of it being a classified US military
asset skyrockets.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm going to play Devil's advocate here for
a second. If this is a super secret stealth plane,
why is it glowing like a Christmas tree on an
infrared camera. Isn't the whole entire point of stealth technology
to hide your heat signature so that heat seeking missiles
can't lock onto you.
Speaker 2: That is a fantastic point, and it suggests two very
distinct possibilities. Possibility one is that we are seeing a
test of a platform where thermal masking just wasn't the
priority for that specific flight.
Speaker 1: They were testing something.
Speaker 2: Else exactly, maybe aerodynamics or adeonics. Possibility too, is that
the stealth design is optimized entirely for radar cross.
Speaker 1: Section, meaning making it invisible to radar.
Speaker 2: Right, But they haven't quite solved the thermal bloom of
the engine yet. Heat is incredibly hard to hide.
Speaker 1: So Andrews's conclusion was that this is terrestrial. It is ours, yes,
which I mean it is still really exciting. Seeing a
billion dollar secret project is cool. But to help us
categorize this whole encounter, we looked at the commentary from
doctor Michio Kaku, and.
Speaker 2: Kaku is a heavy wight.
Speaker 1: He really is. He's a theoretical physicist, yeah, a string theorist.
He does not deal in maybe he deals in scales
of civilization.
Speaker 2: He is brilliant at providing a taxonomy for the unknown.
He usually references the Kardashev scale for civilizations, but here
he applied a specific contact scale for these encounters.
Speaker 1: Breaking them down to three distinct types.
Speaker 2: Yes, Type one is visual only you see something weird,
it performs maneuvers that seem impossible, but that is the
extent of it. You have no debris, you have no
physical proof.
Speaker 1: So it's basically the I saw a ghost state precisely.
Speaker 2: Type two is physical evidence. This is where you have
radar confirmation that backs up the visual sighting.
Speaker 1: Which we are actually starting to get a lot of
we are.
Speaker 2: It's also where you might recover a piece of strange metal,
or you have physical trace effects on the environment like
radiation burns on the ground where.
Speaker 1: Something landed, and then type three.
Speaker 2: Type three is a close encounter interaction. You actually communicate
with the intelligence. You shake hands, or I guess more
likely you exchange math.
Speaker 1: So Kaku looks at this Dorito footage from area fifty
one and says, we are ware.
Speaker 2: He says, we are firmly in type one. He used
a really great phrase. Actually, he said, we are googling
them with radar.
Speaker 1: Googling them with radar. I love that we.
Speaker 2: Are observing them from a distance, but we are not touching.
Speaker 1: We aren't engaging at Kaku, being a scientist, looked at
the shape and the behavior of this thing and immediately
started listing suspects, human suspect.
Speaker 2: Right, he brought up the X forty seven B.
Speaker 1: The X forty seven B. I actually looked this up
before we started. It is a wicked looking machine. It's
a carrier based drone. Right. It looks exactly like a
shrunken down B two stealth bomber.
Speaker 2: It does. It is a cranked kite design, highly stealthy,
very advanced. But here is the mystery with that specific airframe.
The X forty seven B program was officially canceled in
twenty fourteen. It was supposedly just a demonstrator. It supposedly
went to a museum.
Speaker 1: So if it's sitting in a museum, why is it
flying over the Nevada Desert a decade later?
Speaker 2: Because canceled in the defense world is a very tricky word,
no convenient word, very convenient. Often a program is canceled publicly,
but the technology is just folded into a black program.
The public funding goes dark, the name changes, and the
testing continues out of sight.
Speaker 1: Kaku also mentioned another one, the MQ twenty five Stingrays.
The sting Ray which sounds like a sleek sports car,
but it's actually a gas station.
Speaker 2: We really is. It is an unmanned aerial refueler. It
is designed top off fighter jets mid mission while they
are in the air. That's wild, and it also has
that stealthy, blended wing body shape. Kaku's overarching point is simple,
we have things in our active inventory right now that
look exactly like UFOs to the untrained eye.
Speaker 1: So if you see a Stingray flying at night, silent
and weirdly shaped, your brain immediately goes to aliens.
Speaker 2: But reality goes to logistics. It's just moving, fool.
Speaker 1: It's honestly almost a letdown. You're standing there saying take
me to your leader, and the craft is like, sorry,
I'm just here to deliver five hundred gallons of jet fuel.
Speaker 2: It lacks the romance of a sci fi movie for sure,
but that leads us perfectly to Nick Poke's perspective.
Speaker 1: Right. Nick Pope, who's to run the UFO desk for
the UK Ministry of Defense.
Speaker 2: He has a very pragmatic view on this secret tech theory.
He calls it the fifteen to twenty rule, which.
Speaker 1: Is the idea that the military is basically living in
the future.
Speaker 2: Essentially, Yes, he argues that the tech we see being
declassified today, like the F twenty two Raptor or the
F thirty five, was actually flying in secret twenty years ago. Wow,
and Area fifty one has a very long documented history
of doing exactly this. Think back to the fifties. The
U two spy plane was flying its seventy thousand.
Speaker 1: Feet way higher than anything else.
Speaker 2: Right, So commercial pilots and civilians on the ground would
see the sun reflecting off its silver wings at dusk
when everything below was totally.
Speaker 1: Dark, and they called them in as UFOs exactly.
Speaker 2: Then in the sixties you had the SR seventy one
Blackbird doing the same thing. In the eighties the F
one to seventeen Nighthawk. Every single generation produces a UFO
that eventually just becomes a museum piece.
Speaker 1: So this Drina we are looking at is just the
high school class of twenty forties museum piece flying around today.
Speaker 2: That is the prevailing theory among defense analysts, and Pope
added a fascinating detail about how the British government historically
viewed whole phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Oh this is great back in the nineties, right, Yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Money wasn't sitting around asking are we alone in the universe?
That wasn't their job. They were asking does that thing
have a better engine than we do?
Speaker 1: Pure pragmatism entirely.
Speaker 2: Their policy was very clear. If it is Alien, we
want the tech. If it is Russian, we need the tech.
Speaker 1: It was just an arms race acquisition mindset. I had
nothing and that mindset, that idea of grab the tech
before the other guy gets it. That is a perfect
bridge to our next section.
Speaker 2: Because the US wasn't the only one playing this game.
Speaker 1: Not at all. Because while the US was playing with
stealth in the desert. The Soviet Union was dealing with
their own terrifying sky anomalies, and this part of the
News Nation Report, honestly, it felt like a John lecerris
By novel.
Speaker 2: It really does. We are moving to the work of
investigative journalist George Knapp and former FBI agent Ben Hansen.
Speaker 1: They were discussing what they call the Russian.
Speaker 2: Files, and to really understand the gravity of these files,
you have to put yourself in the context of the
early nineties. The Iron Curtain wasn't just falling, it was
completely shattering.
Speaker 1: The Soviet Union was dissolving in real time.
Speaker 2: Absolute unprecedented chaos. The military structure was collapsing.
Speaker 1: And in that chaos George Knapp saw an unbelievable opportunity.
Speaker 2: He did. He actually traveled to Russia and he managed
to make contacts with high level military officials who were
suddenly unpaid. They were disillusioned, and they were sitting on
literal mountains of classified secrets.
Speaker 1: And they wanted this information out in the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, but getting it out of Moscow was a major felony.
It was espionage.
Speaker 1: So how on earth did he do it? You can't
just drop classified Soviet defense documents in a FedEx box
and mail them to Nevada.
Speaker 2: No, you absolutely cannot. According to NAP's own account, he
had to physically smuggle them out of the country himself.
Speaker 1: Incredible.
Speaker 2: He recounts sitting in these drab offices with these Russian
officials and they would hand him a thick file. He
would then have to physically rip off the.
Speaker 1: Cover sheet, the one with the big red stamps, the
one that.
Speaker 2: Said State secret in Russian. He'd tear it off, and
then he would mix the actual reports into bundles of
regular daily.
Speaker 1: Newspapers, just blending it in.
Speaker 2: Blending it with hotel receipts and innocuous letters. He was
basically hiding the needles in a haystack that he built himself.
Speaker 1: So he literally walked through Russian customs with a suitcase
full of trash. That was actually the hidden history of
the Soviet UFO program.
Speaker 2: He did, and what those smuggled files revealed was totally
counter to the public.
Speaker 1: Narrative because publicly the USSR was mocking the United States
for believing in flying saucers exactly.
Speaker 2: They called it bourgeois psychosis. They said it was just
weak minded Western propaganda.
Speaker 1: But privately, privately they were obsessed.
Speaker 2: They had a massive, sprawling military study that was tracking
thousands of unexplained incidents across their airspace.
Speaker 1: And one incident in those files really stood out to me.
The jellyfish.
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, the jellyfish. This was a documented mass sighting
in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1: Tell them what it looked like, because it's not a saucer.
Speaker 2: It wasn't metallic. All the files describe a low altitude
object hovering over a populated area, and it was massive
in scale. It was estimated by military observers to be
four hundred and fifty feet long.
Speaker 1: I just want you listening to visualize that four hundred
and fifty feet That is a skyscraper floating horizontally in
the sky.
Speaker 2: It's immense. And the description was that it looked organic.
Speaker 1: Or at least fluid, like a living thing.
Speaker 2: They called it jellyfish like. It had appendages or trails
hanging down from the main body.
Speaker 1: That is deeply unsettling.
Speaker 2: Ben Hansen draws a very direct parallel here to the
Phoenix Lights incident that happened in Arizona back in nineteen
ninety seven, So.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. The giant v shape.
Speaker 2: Right. In both cases, you have a massive object. It
is completely silent, It is seen by hundreds or thousands
of normal people, and the government response in both countries
is total silence or active ridicule.
Speaker 1: Now here's where the skeptic in me wakes up a
little bit. The report mentions a global spike in UFO
sightings in the late seventies.
Speaker 2: Yes, right around nineteen seventy seven and nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 1: My immediate thought when I hear that timeline is Star
Wars close encounters are the third kind.
Speaker 2: The pop culture explosion.
Speaker 1: Exactly suddenly everyone has spaceshifts on the brain. Isn't this
just mass hysteria driven entirely by Hollywood blockbusters.
Speaker 2: What you're describing is known as the psychosocial hypothesis, and
it is usually a very strong skeptical argument.
Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 2: It does, But Hans encounters it using the Russian data.
In nineteen seventy eight, the average Soviet citizen in Siberia
was not watching Steven Spielberg movies.
Speaker 1: All right. The Iron Curtain was still up.
Speaker 2: Western media was strictly banned. They had no idea who
Luke Skywalker was Yet the Russian military file showed the
exact same massive spike in civilian and military sightings at
the exact same time as the West Wow.
Speaker 1: So unless the Aliens were coordinating their planetary tour dates
with the Hollywood release.
Speaker 2: Schedule, which seems unlikely.
Speaker 1: Very it suggests that something actually happened physically in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: It suggests a genuine external stimulus into of local culture.
Speaker 1: That is wild. And speaking of culture and geography, we
really have to talk about the abduction map.
Speaker 2: I knew you were going to bring this up.
Speaker 1: It was my favorite weird detail from the whole report.
A Canadian sports betting company put out actual betting odds
on alien obduction.
Speaker 2: It sounds completely absurd on the surface, it.
Speaker 1: Really does, like who is placing that bet? Do you
want to live there to win the bet or avoid
it so you can stay on Earth?
Speaker 2: Right? But the data set they used to calculate those
odds is completely real. They mapped decades of sightings and
abduction reports on a per capita.
Speaker 1: Basis and they found a distinct pattern, a very.
Speaker 2: Strong pattern, the odds of being abducted, or at least
reporting that you were abducted are exponentially higher in coastal
states and near very large bodies of water.
Speaker 1: So Florida, the Great Lakes, the Pacific Northwest. Hanson mentioned
the key Portland weird factor for Oregon.
Speaker 2: He did, and there is a valid sociological question. There
are people in certain areas like Oregon just more culturally
open admitting they saw something strange.
Speaker 1: Is it just a reporting bias.
Speaker 2: Exactly, or is there a physical correlation between the phenomenon
and deep water the water connection.
Speaker 1: We are going to come back to that because before
we dive into the ocean, we have to talk about
the airspace that is decidedly not weird but is incredibly dangerous.
Speaker 2: In the Middle East.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is where the story shifts entirely from folklore
and lights in the sky to modern high stakes warfare.
Speaker 2: This is perhaps the most critical part of the modern
evidence we have. We are talking about videos released by
Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp.
Speaker 1: But the source of these videos isn't a guy in
his backyard.
Speaker 2: No, the source is the NQ nine Reaper drone.
Speaker 1: Let's set the scene for the listener here. The Reaper
is a hunter killer military drone. It has sensors that
are specifically designed to spot a combatant hiding in a
cave from miles and miles away.
Speaker 2: It does not get confused by weather, balloons or birds.
These sensors are multi spectral targeting pods. They are incredibly
expensive military grade hardware, and Corbell released two specific clips
from these drones.
Speaker 1: Let's look at the Persian Gulf footage from twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: First, the one they call the slingshot.
Speaker 1: Yes, the slingshot. What exactly are we looking at? There?
Speaker 2: You see three small unidentified objects moving in a very
tight triangular formation over the water. Then one of the
objects lags behind, it falls out of the formation, and
then instantaneously it snaps right back into its original place.
Speaker 1: When you say it snaps back, we aren't talking about
a plane slowing down and then slowly hitting the throttle
to catch up.
Speaker 2: No, we are talking about going from zero to hundreds
of miles per hour in a literal fraction of.
Speaker 1: A second, which shouldn't be possible.
Speaker 2: It's the inertia problem. The g forces involved in that
kind of sudden acceleration would turn any known electronics into
dust and any biological pilot into soup.
Speaker 1: Because physics says, you need energy to move mass. Yeah,
you cannot just be at point A and then suddenly
be at point B without traversing the space in between
and dealing with atmospheric resistance exactly.
Speaker 2: The air should compress and heat up, there should be
a sonic boom. There is none.
Speaker 1: And then you have the Syria footage from twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: That one is even more striking in some way.
Speaker 1: It's a sphere, a literal flying metallic.
Speaker 2: Ball, and the drone has a hard weapons grade lock
on it. The sphere is moving steadily through the war zone,
and then it suddenly changes direction and dashes out of
the frame at extreme speed. No wings, no wings, no tail,
no exhaust plume.
Speaker 1: This is where Nick Pope comes back into the conversation
with his war zone theory.
Speaker 2: It's a very grounded theory. He points out that Syria
is currently the most crowded airspace on the planet.
Speaker 1: It is basically a sandbox for World War three technology.
Speaker 2: You have the US, you have Russia, China, Iran, Israel, Turkey.
Everyone is operating top to your hardware in one tiny area.
Speaker 1: So Pope asks a very valid Okhams Razor type question,
is it more likely that extraterrestrials are visiting a dusty
Syrian battlefield, or that an adversary is testing a brand
new drone.
Speaker 2: It makes logical sense. It is the ultimate field test.
Speaker 1: Right. If you want to know if your new experimental
spy drone can beat American radar, you fly it right
in front of an American Reaper drone and see what happens.
Speaker 2: Precisely, it is a deliberate provocation. You are measuring their
response time.
Speaker 1: But even Pope admits that the maneuvering we see in
these videos completely defies our current understanding of physics.
Speaker 2: That is the terrifying catch. If China or Russia has
a drone that can pull one hundred g's and fly
without wings.
Speaker 1: We have a massive problem, the generational problem, and that
brings us to the fear factor of this whole topic.
If it is aliens, it is an existential crisis for humanity,
but if it's China, it is a catastrophic national security failure.
Speaker 2: And the Pentagon's response to all of this has been
the classic no comment.
Speaker 1: They confirm the videos are real, and then they refuse
to explain them.
Speaker 2: Which is incredibly frustrated.
Speaker 1: It is annoying everyone boy, and not just UFO hunters
on the internet. It is annoying actual state legislators.
Speaker 2: This was honestly the most surprising thread in the whole
report for me. We go from the Middle East to Vermont,
a very small, very quiet state, but Representative Troy Hendrick
is making a lot of noise.
Speaker 1: He is. He introduced a bill in the state House
to create a state level task force on UAPs.
Speaker 2: Unidentified anomalist phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Right, and he was very, very careful to distance himself
from the crazy aspect of the topic.
Speaker 2: He is not standing up there talking about alien probing
or crop circles, not at all.
Speaker 1: He is talking strictly about safety.
Speaker 2: His pitch to the legislature is basically, I don't care
if it is a Martian or a Russian spy or
a teenager with a Dji Phantom drone. Right, if it
is flying in our airspace and we do not know
what it is, it is a hazard to aviation.
Speaker 1: It's such a brilliant pivot. By framing it purely as
airspace safety, he makes it a bureaucratic necessity.
Speaker 2: Rather than a fringe sci fi hobby.
Speaker 1: Exactly. He's looking at future proofing the state too. Think
about delivery drones. Amazon is rolling him out. Hospitals use
them for medical delivery, Police surveillance drones are everywhere.
Speaker 2: The low altitude airspace is getting incredibly crowded, so the.
Speaker 1: State needs to know exactly what is up there.
Speaker 2: And his bill actually has teeth. It calls for a
centralized reporting mechanism and crucially a yearly public report.
Speaker 1: Which is huge because right now the data is just
scattered or hidden.
Speaker 2: Hendrick points out that currently, if a commercial pilot over
Vermont sees something strange, the data goes straight to the
FEDS or to private defense contractors.
Speaker 1: And it disappears into a black hole.
Speaker 2: Exactly. He wants the citizens of Vermont to actually own
the data that is generated in their own state. It
is a push for transparency starting from the bottom up.
Speaker 1: It represents a massive cultural shift from ridicule to regulation.
It legitimizes the entire topic.
Speaker 2: It moves it from the tabloids directly to the town hall.
Speaker 1: Now, for our final segment today, we are going to
leave the town hall and go somewhere where no town
hall exists.
Speaker 2: We are going underwater.
Speaker 1: Yes, the final frontier isn't space it's the ocean, and
this brings in the trans medium phenomenon.
Speaker 2: This is where things get truly difficult to comprehend. And
our expert voice here is Rear Admiral Tim Galladet, and we.
Speaker 1: Need to pause on his credentials. A retired rear admiral
in the US Navy.
Speaker 2: This is not a guy who spends his weekends posting
conspiracy theories on Reddit.
Speaker 1: No, he commanded entire carrier strike groups.
Speaker 2: He is also a trained meteorologist and an oceanographer for
the Navy. He deals strictly in empirical data, and he is.
Speaker 1: Sending a massive alarm right now about.
Speaker 2: USOS unidentified submerged objects.
Speaker 1: Trans Medium is the key word he uses. Can you
explain the actual physics of what that means?
Speaker 2: Trans Medium means an object that can move seamlessly from
the vacuum of space into the atmosphere and then directly
into the water without blowing up right, Think about the
physics of skipping a stone on a lake. If you
throw a rock too hard at the water, it shatters.
Speaker 1: Because water at high speed acts like.
Speaker 2: A solid exactly. It is like hitting concrete. To fly
a craft through the air at mock one and then
dive directly into the ocean without slowing down or breaking apart.
Speaker 1: It requires technology that we simply do not possess.
Speaker 2: It requires a way to negate density or mass. It
is physically impossible for our current material sciences.
Speaker 1: Yet Admiral Galadet says the Navy is seeing.
Speaker 2: This happen regularly. He points to a very specific location.
There is an undersea canyon just off the coast of
Redondo Beach.
Speaker 1: California, right in our own backyard, and.
Speaker 2: He cites hard sonar data, acoustic data from nuclear submarines
tracking objects moving at hundreds of knots underwater.
Speaker 1: Just to put that in perspective, our fastest torpedoes top
out way way below that.
Speaker 2: And these objects aren't just moving fast in a straight line.
They are maneuvering.
Speaker 1: And the report also mentions lou Elizondo's new book Imminent,
where he talks about overhead intelligence satellites capturing these things
going in and out of the water.
Speaker 2: The visual confirmation matches the sonar data, and.
Speaker 1: Galadet has a theory about why they are down there
in the first place.
Speaker 2: The empty house theory or the map.
Speaker 1: Gap explain the map gap because this blew my mind.
Speaker 2: It's a statistical fact that we have mapped one hundred
percent of the surface of the Moon. We have mapped
the surface of Mars to a higher resolution than our
own planet.
Speaker 1: Because we can see it with telescopes.
Speaker 2: Right, but we have only explored maybe twenty to twenty
five percent of our own ocean floor.
Speaker 1: It is completely dark down there.
Speaker 2: It's dark, the pressure is immense, and it is vast.
His logic is unassailable. If you wanted to build a
base of operations on Earth and ensure that no human
being ever stumbled upon it.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't put it in a Nevada desert.
Speaker 2: No, you would put it in a deep thermal trench
at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 1: It is terrifyingly logical. We are all standing in our
backyards looking up at the stars, wondering where they are
coming from.
Speaker 2: And they might literally be living in the basement.
Speaker 1: Wow. And this totally connects back to that app we
mentioned briefly earlier.
Speaker 2: In Enigma labs, right, the Civilian Reporting Network.
Speaker 1: They're collecting massive amounts of data from regular people and pilots,
and they are seeing a huge cluster of orbs being
reported near bodies.
Speaker 2: Of water, and these orbs do not have standard FAA strobe.
Speaker 1: Lights, no anti collision lights at all.
Speaker 2: They just hover over the surface and they drop silently
into the sea.
Speaker 1: It heavily suggests a base of operations right off our coast.
It does. So we've pulled all these threads today. Let's
synthesize this.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to take in, it really is.
Speaker 1: We have the Dorido craft in the desert that might
be our own secret black budget planes hiding in plain sight.
Speaker 2: We have the Russian files proving that this phenomenon has
been tracked globally for decades, regardless of pop culture.
Speaker 1: We have the drone wars in the Middle East showing
us impossible physics playing out in active conflict zones.
Speaker 2: We have state lawmakers in Vermont actively trying to regulate
the skies for safety.
Speaker 1: And we have Navy admirals pointing to the deepotions.
Speaker 2: The big picture that emerges from all of this data
is stark. We are not in full control of our
own environment.
Speaker 1: You really aren't.
Speaker 2: Or it is another terrestrial country, or a breakaway civilization,
or another species. Entirely, something is operating in our skies
and our seas.
Speaker 1: With absolute impunity, and the stigma is finally gone. The
data is being demanded by everyone from string theorists.
Speaker 2: To state reps, which is exactly what we need, transparency.
Speaker 1: And that leads me to the question I want to
leave all of you listening with today because it is
a question of fear. Okay. We tend to think that
aliens is the scariest possible answer to this mystery.
Speaker 2: It's the ultimate unknown.
Speaker 1: Right, But is it really the scariest? Think about this.
If these objects are terrestrial, if China or Russia or
even a rogue, unchecked element of the US military has
possessed this kind of physics defying technology for decades.
Speaker 2: Technology that makes our current jet fighters look like literal paper.
Speaker 1: Airplanes exactly, isn't that actually worse.
Speaker 2: From a sociological standpoint, Yes, if it is aliens, it
changes our philosophy and our place in the universe.
Speaker 1: But if it is humans, it means the entire geopolitical
order is a complete lie.
Speaker 2: It means someone currently has the power to dominate the
entire planet instantly and they are just waiting for the
right moment to use it.
Speaker 1: That chills me to the bone. So I am asking
you the listener directly look at the data we talked
about today. Are you team secret tech or are you
team extraterrestrial?
Speaker 2: Which reality do you actually find more comforting or more terrifying?
Speaker 1: And as I always remember, just because you can't see
it doesn't mean it's not watching you from the deep.
Let us know your thoughts in the comments below. Thanks
for diving in with us on trailing threads. We will
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