1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Charles Probot from Boca Raton, Florida, and 2 00:00:08,679 --> 00:00:12,039 I play at the Boca Ratone Resort and Club. 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: This is called. 4 00:00:13,919 --> 00:00:16,559 Speaker 1: Smarter Number ninety eighty. 5 00:00:16,679 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: Joy the podcast. If you go to ask a touring 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,000 pro do you misread greens that cause miss putts? Their 7 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:27,600 typical answer is going to be occasionally, but not often, 8 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:30,879 And then other pros will reply, you know, I never 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,679 miss reading green because I work harder than all others. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,840 That translation to that answer is I memorized each putt 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,479 for each tournament four days times four pin placements, times 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,759 four directions times eighteen holes. So there's some brainwashing that 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,640 goes on into their head, this kind of green reading 14 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:53,840 brainwashing that continues to this day. And frankly, I don't 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,200 blame the tour pro for succumbing to this brainwashing since 16 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:02,079 you're standing over putts with zero confidence. If you don't 17 00:01:02,079 --> 00:01:04,879 have confidence in your green read, that will affect your 18 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,400 putting stroke negative. 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,079 Speaker 1: Egos. The Expert green Reading operating system that's based in 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,560 math with surveyor Andrew Walters. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,840 tips and insights from great golf minds to help you 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,640 lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 23 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green. 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,879 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,599 Speaker 2: Andy, great to be here, Fred. 26 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:41,519 Speaker 1: Congratulations, you're the first episode of our twentieth year. We've 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,079 just completed nineteen years of the podcast. Wow, and this 28 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:50,120 is our first one. Yeah, so nine and eighty and. 29 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:52,719 Speaker 2: Then when they were doing podcasts that far back. 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:59,799 Speaker 1: That was the problem nobody did. But I love to 31 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:02,680 talk talking about all the way back. I've always loved 32 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:05,200 to talk about putting because there's always one more thing 33 00:02:05,239 --> 00:02:08,240 we can learn. And I think the most important thing 34 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,159 is they don't all drop, no matter how good you are, 35 00:02:11,439 --> 00:02:14,639 they don't all drop, right, or do they? 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: Well, I would argue with that it was ten feet 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,599 that should all drop, especially for a tour pro because 38 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:26,159 they're the best of the cream of the crop. 39 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:31,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the percentage of even the tour pros from 40 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:33,800 ten feet is what about fifty percent? 41 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: And guess what, Fred, that's all going to change? Why 42 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:46,879 Because Egos Expert Green Reading operating system is pure math. 43 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,599 It is it's infallible in a sense that if you 44 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:58,360 do something wrong, it can be corrected. And tour pros 45 00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:03,960 take two thousand green reads around in a season, which 46 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,520 is what the book and other things I said. And 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,840 you can imagine how much expertise they're going to have 48 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,520 with that many green reads, and how good they're going 49 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:18,039 to get. And if they ever have a problem, they 50 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,879 just give me a holler and then we go to 51 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,599 that exact spot and I'll show them what they did wrong, 52 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,199 because it's math based, math pace. 53 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,479 Speaker 1: And is that your background is the math based not 54 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:31,479 the golf base. 55 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: Exact side of it exactly? Well, of course they intertwine. Sure, 56 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:42,560 my background is where, Oh I had this eight foot 57 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:45,919 putt that I had money on. You know, they had 58 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:48,159 a five dollars nassau. I make it. I went twenty 59 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:50,719 five dollars eats, money for the kids and all that 60 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,560 sort of stuff. Now I've had this putt. I mean, 61 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:57,759 I've been playing this eighteenth green for fifteen years and 62 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,680 I had said, oh, that's going to do a little 63 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:01,960 slight left break and I hit it and it fell 64 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,639 off the table like it broke like it broke off 65 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,520 the table to the right, and I go, whoa, So 66 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,240 I walk off the green. I'm all mad. We'll find 67 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,680 somebody to teach me green reading expert green reading, Well, 68 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,480 who would that be? Somebody that knows topography, land contours, maps, 69 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,399 ground ground slope. While beinging to realize as a civil engineer, 70 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,519 professional engineer, that's what we start with every project that 71 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:32,439 we start, A bridge, a building, a road, it's all. 72 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,079 It's all ground slopes and all of that. Then I 73 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,399 began to realize I was the expert. So I sat 74 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,639 down and I figured it out. And I haven't misread 75 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:42,720 a green since. 76 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: Wow. Well, oh, so you say you were the expert 77 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,639 because you are a civil engineer. 78 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:57,399 Speaker 2: That's correct. Absolutely, you apply math to projects to fix it. Yes, 79 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:04,680 I am a professional civil engineer. Okay, So, and so. 80 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: I want to get rid of this myth immediately if 81 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,959 in fact it is a myth or it's a fact. 82 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,240 And that is everyone says, oh it always breaks to 83 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,480 the ocean, Oh it always breaks to the mountains. Oh 84 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:18,319 is that or is it just you know? From what 85 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:23,279 I've learned in talking to golf course architects, they tell me, no, 86 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,279 it breaks. It's irrigation. It's all about irrigation, and it 87 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,600 breaks to where the water is going to flow. 88 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,399 Speaker 2: Uh. All one hundred percent nonsense. Matter of fact, I 89 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,600 teach that you completely ignore any of that stuff. You 90 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:43,879 don't want outside influences to bother what you do, getting 91 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,279 the exact break in front of you. So architects. Of course, 92 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:53,000 most of the time you know the the drain flow 93 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,959 of a green is going to be from a mountain 94 00:05:56,079 --> 00:06:00,360 to an ocean, but not all the time. So so 95 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,720 it's just total myth. Matter of fact, I found most 96 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,319 of all of green reading is voodoo nowadays. You know 97 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:13,000 there there are there are basically four types of green reading, 98 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:16,600 all right, and all of them don't work. And you 99 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,240 can see it on TV all the time. And these 100 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,560 are the professionals speece all the best. And the four 101 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,959 types of green reading is one is staring. You walk 102 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,759 all around it, you look at it. But that's actually 103 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:34,480 what causes the problem. Optical illusions are the only reason 104 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:38,439 you would ever missread a green period. Optical illusions and 105 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,240 staring is the actual cause of the problem. The other 106 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:46,600 way to read a green is somewhat common these days 107 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:51,720 is foot field well, foot feeling. It doesn't work. It's 108 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:55,759 no math behind it. And the you know I can 109 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,279 say that is because you go find an algebra book, 110 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,319 a trig book, a calculus book. Nowhere are you're going 111 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,639 to find in there a chapter on feeling. It's just 112 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:10,040 not going to happen. And then there's map contours, which 113 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,959 have been banned anyway, so math contours are and then 114 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,319 again they have no math either that untrained person can't see. 115 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,480 And then the other way is memorization. So if you memorize, 116 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,360 you know you you have if your tour pro you 117 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:29,959 have four tournaments, I mean four days of a tournament, 118 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:35,399 four sides of the green, different distances and all that, 119 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:39,959 and and basically it becomes unless you're rain Man or something, 120 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,160 it becomes untenable. So you know. So anyway, all four 121 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:51,120 of those ways don't produce any results that egos can 122 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:55,560 do because they have no math. They have you just 123 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,959 can't do it. So we're still in the primitive age 124 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,040 of green reading until of course this comes out. 125 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: Okay, and how long have you been practicing egos and egos? 126 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:11,720 We should just make clarify what your system is, the 127 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,319 expert green reading operating system. 128 00:08:15,639 --> 00:08:18,439 Speaker 2: I've been doing it since nineteen ninety. 129 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:24,959 Speaker 1: Okay, so and you haven't. You haven't missed a read since. 130 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: That is correct, except except for when I make an 131 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:31,319 error myself. You know, I don't. I don't play as 132 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,000 often as I used to. So then I got to 133 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:35,919 go back and see what I did, what I what 134 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:36,720 I missed. 135 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,279 Speaker 1: Up, So that then we're then we're just talking about 136 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,519 distance control. 137 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: And speak control. The two or a perfect late read 138 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,879 is for a put that. Yeah, a perfect aim line 139 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,600 is a putt that goes in at the speed that 140 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,440 you want it to go in. Do you want to 141 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,000 diet in the hole? Do you want to ram it 142 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,320 into the hole? Or do you want to have it 143 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:07,600 if it has a cellophane top on top of it, 144 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:12,080 it'd go twelve inches past. So speed and aim and 145 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:18,320 are tied together. They're married together. So EGOS will give 146 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,000 you that exact line for any way you want to 147 00:09:23,039 --> 00:09:26,360 hold the putt. And it's all done on calibration at 148 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,960 the practice screen, which is detailed in my book. 149 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,039 Speaker 1: Okay, uh, and again tell everyone the name of the 150 00:09:34,039 --> 00:09:35,320 book so we can find it. 151 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: That's a good good point. 152 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: Do you not remember the name? 153 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: Well, come on Math and Analysis Green Rating Methodology on 154 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:58,159 the PGA Tour today and tomorrow veos. 155 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:07,799 Speaker 1: Okay, it available exactly, and I'll put that in the 156 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:12,200 show notes. And what is it available on Amazon or wherever? 157 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:12,879 Get books? 158 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: Okay, Amazon, Amazon, Kindle and it's twenty seven books for 159 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:19,759 a lifetime skill. 160 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: I like to say, yeah, well, then that's a worthwhile investment, 161 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:28,559 I would think, especially if your frustration is there and 162 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,679 everyone has room to become a better putter. So, you know, 163 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,159 we can talk about the hardware all we want, but 164 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,320 until you learn how to read a green, it really 165 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:42,039 doesn't matter what the hardware is. Sometimes that's right. 166 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,519 Speaker 2: If you haven't read the green read properly, you're putting 167 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,080 stroke matters not right. 168 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: And that would be where you start, as long as 169 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,440 you can get on the starting line that you intend. 170 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,279 Speaker 2: At the speed you intend. 171 00:10:55,519 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: At the speed the line and the. 172 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,399 Speaker 2: Speed speed because they are married together. And my contention 173 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,279 is tour pros one hundred and fifty five t off 174 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,559 every weekend and they're the best in the world. And 175 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,879 it's my contention that those tour pros can do that. 176 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,600 They can hit the ball where they want to at 177 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,240 the speed they want to all the time, or they 178 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:21,879 wouldn't be the top one fifty five in the world. 179 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,759 Speaker 1: Andy, tell me about the people that you've worked with. 180 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,960 Have you been working with PGA tour pros or college 181 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,559 players or corn fairy? You know, the guys trying to 182 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,000 get their way up to the tour. 183 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: That's a great question, and it's a kind of a 184 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,600 little bit of a long answer. 185 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: And taking time. 186 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:56,039 Speaker 2: And I have talked to a bunch of people about it, 187 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,480 including some teachers and stuff like that. But what I'm 188 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:03,720 finding is that there is a tremendous bias out there 189 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:09,480 about green reading, and when you present something that you 190 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:12,559 say is going to work, there's a tendency that they 191 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:15,360 don't believe it. But I've done it to some tour 192 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,360 pro teachers, doesn't matter if I name maybe Derek u 193 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,120 Wada and you know he absolutely gets it and loves it. 194 00:12:25,639 --> 00:12:31,519 Another one is Blair Philip another work with Barney Adams 195 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,759 and you So I've get some X tour pros that 196 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,200 just absolutely get it because again they're mathematically inclined. But 197 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:44,159 if you go if you go to ask a touring pro, 198 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:48,240 for example, you know, do you misread greens that cause 199 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,879 miss putts? And you know their typical answer is going 200 00:12:51,919 --> 00:12:56,039 to be occasionally but not often, all right, And then 201 00:12:56,159 --> 00:12:59,720 other pros will will reply, you know I never misread 202 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:03,200 because I work harder than all others. Well, it took 203 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,120 a while, but that translation to that answer is I 204 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:11,519 memorized each put for each tournament four days times four 205 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,600 pin placements, times four directions times eighteen holes. So there's 206 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:20,000 some brainwashing that goes on into their head, and I 207 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,279 call it this kind of green reading brainwashing that continues 208 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,919 to this day. And frankly, I don't blame the tour 209 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,960 pro for succumbing to this brainwashing since you're standing over 210 00:13:34,039 --> 00:13:38,919 putts with zero confidence. If you don't have confidence in 211 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,399 your green read that that will affect your putting stroke negatively. 212 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,639 So that brainwashing is there. So I have that bias 213 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,279 that I have to overcome when I show them that 214 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:58,759 it'll actually work, and that's been very difficult to do. 215 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:01,919 And that's why I'm in the middle of a topic, 216 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:04,320 you know, trying to get it in front of a 217 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,919 guy like Bryson, who I know has mathematical proclivity and 218 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,000 will literally, you know, when I get halfway through a 219 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,240 twenty minute demo, he's going to come and grab me 220 00:14:14,799 --> 00:14:18,639 and thank me, as did Blair, Philip and a couple 221 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:25,159 other gentlemen that I know of, because they just get it. 222 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:33,639 So that's I guess back to your question. Yeah, I have, 223 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,559 but unfortunately most young expiring collegiates and everything, and even 224 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,159 tour pros themselves say, if I don't see it being 225 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:48,679 used on TV, I'm not going to get involved. And 226 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,240 it's an incredible bias that I had no idea existed 227 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:55,679 until the years I started getting into this. 228 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've had I've come across that so much myself. 229 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,679 I recently went, yeah, I in a sense that you 230 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,600 know here as we talked about this. I've interviewed hundreds 231 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:13,360 of golf instructors, and I've learned a lot from the 232 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,639 golf instructor perspective. But when I go out to play 233 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,120 with some people at a country club who play every 234 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,279 week with the same four guys in the same course 235 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,039 every week, and I start sharing some of the things 236 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,519 I've learned, They're like, Nah, yeah, no, doesn't exist. Yeah, 237 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:33,399 you're wrong. I don't see it. So I get I 238 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:36,240 get feel like I'm banging my head against the wall 239 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,919 sometimes too. That's why I pretty much just like to 240 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,159 ask the questions and learn from people like you. 241 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:48,159 Speaker 2: Well, I again, the people with mathematical privity. I've developed 242 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:51,120 a putter that you use with the system. It's a 243 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,840 surveying instrument putter, and I've sold five hundred of those 244 00:15:54,879 --> 00:16:00,639 putters worldwide, all right, So they're people that get it, 245 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,000 and it's just unfortunately I don't have anybody on the 246 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:10,919 tour pro circuit yet that will do it and use it. 247 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,480 But I'm totally convinced if I can get somebody out there, 248 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:18,919 it's going to take their pprs down into the twenty 249 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,799 sevens or maybe even lower, which is always top five. 250 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:25,799 And from there, I'm convinced it's going to go viral. 251 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,840 And especially a tour pro because he's, as I explain 252 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,600 in my book and all, he's going to get ten 253 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:36,360 more looks at making Birdie. This is with the average 254 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:40,440 tour pro, you know, and making Birdie. Then he has 255 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:47,480 now with using egos, especially with taking two thousand egos 256 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:51,559 Green reads in this season, how expert he's going to get. 257 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,440 And then the other thing is, you know what, even 258 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,039 if a tour pro doesn't even want to do it, 259 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:59,080 because I don't see John Daily doing doing this, and 260 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:02,080 I don't see Bubb Watson do it, So why don't 261 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,039 you just tell you caddy to do it? All right? 262 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:08,799 So the caddy becomes really really good at it, so 263 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:12,720 and I think the he'll he'll start to have trust 264 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:15,559 in his caddy as the ball disappears all the time, 265 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:22,160 you know, So there's that option as well. But it 266 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:25,920 just hasn't happened yet. So I'm hoping it will happen, 267 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,960 you know, in my lifetime. 268 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope it happens for your lifetime as well. 269 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,640 So I am uh and have been for four or 270 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,960 five years now a big fan of the lab golf 271 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:44,359 putters that are lie angle balanced versus toe or heel balanced, 272 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,839 and they claim to have a lot of science behind 273 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:57,200 that as well. The putter that you have developed, what 274 00:17:57,519 --> 00:17:59,279 makes it unique. 275 00:18:00,519 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: If you were to take I call the putter the 276 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,160 psn I egos, which stands an acronym. I'm big into 277 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:11,839 the acronyms putting and surveying instrument. Instrument is that if 278 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,359 you take your fingers and to put your fingers out 279 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,319 like you're pointing, and then put your putter over the 280 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:20,519 over it and balance it, you'll come to some tow 281 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,960 hang on most putters, you know, forty five thirteen degrees whatever. Well, 282 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:29,319 the PS and I egos you can put it in 283 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,039 any direction, the toe point in any direction and it'll 284 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,000 just stay there. So it's not a I call it 285 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:39,960 an all balanced putter. You know, there are face balance 286 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,559 putters that will if you do what I just said 287 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:45,279 that the face will will be looking straight up to 288 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:50,400 the sky axis. One makes a putter that the it'll 289 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,359 be one hundred percent, or it'll be ninety degrees pointing 290 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,640 down at the ground and the lab that way. 291 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,759 Speaker 1: We don't put that way. 292 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,079 Speaker 2: All that's true, but the perfect I've sold quite a 293 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,519 few putters just because they love the feel of an 294 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:18,960 all balanced putter. But the tricker with an all balanced 295 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,160 putter is that it becomes a surveying instrument and it 296 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,680 doesn't really matter where your toe is pointing. And so 297 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:31,440 that's that's why I sell that. But you can use 298 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,440 your own putter if you just know what position to 299 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,279 hold it every time. And I've been doing battle with 300 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:40,920 the USGA, and it says, well, if you mark the 301 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,319 putter with a mark slot, you don't put a little 302 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,839 dot and center it and all that. But the USGA 303 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,279 has sent me back, Oh, this has been about ten 304 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,440 years of correspondence. He keeps sending back. I don't know 305 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:55,559 that's illegal because you can't put any marking on a 306 00:19:55,599 --> 00:20:00,559 putter other than decorative or to align the face the 307 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,920 when you're setting the putter down. So I've been I've 308 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,000 been through all that as well. Now the lab putter, 309 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:15,680 that is a little different creature. And I do know 310 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:21,920 an awful lot about putters. I believe that they they've 311 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,720 got a certain angle to the ground, a lie, as 312 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,799 you would say, and they make the putter balanced in 313 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,440 that lie, which is the lie where in the swing 314 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,839 plane you have. So that's what makes them special. Again, 315 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:40,799 you would have to take that putter and try and 316 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,559 find out what when you hold it doing egos, what 317 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:47,799 makes it a true perfect vertical in other ways of 318 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,039 surveying instrument, I haven't got one yet, but I've got 319 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:54,640 about every other putter known de mand. 320 00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:07,759 Speaker 1: So andy, I'm not mathematically inclined, I may say I'm 321 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:13,640 even math challenged. So how can I make egos work 322 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,680 for me? I'm the creative type. 323 00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: Well that's a great question. Then the book goes through 324 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:24,799 the three steps that you just need to do men 325 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,319 memorize in order to get into the proper positions to 326 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,880 get this angle gap I call it right in front 327 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,640 of your eyes on every putt, and the three steps 328 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,559 invoke the math that is involved. So I've got two 329 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:45,000 pages in the book of the actual math tenth grade 330 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,720 geometry proven as you were to see by a professor. 331 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,599 But you don't need to know that it is. All 332 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,359 you have to do is know how to stand, where 333 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,599 to stand, and how to hold a putter. Just those 334 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,200 three things and you can become an expert green reader immediate. 335 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:15,279 Speaker 1: Okay, how to stand, where to stand, and the third one, 336 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:19,920 how to hold the so grip is what you're saying. 337 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:24,599 Speaker 2: The grip. Yeah, yeah, how to hold the putter. You 338 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,759 have to you have to put a putter out in 339 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:31,279 front of you. And I don't like to use the word, 340 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,440 but everybody else does, like you're plumb bobbing. Okay, yeah, 341 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,279 so again, and before I get into that, let me 342 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,319 just explain what I call plumb bobbing. I mentioned the 343 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,039 four ways of green reading. Well, one of those ways, excuse. 344 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:51,079 Speaker 1: Me if it's for me, just take a message. 345 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,839 Speaker 2: One of those methods is what I consider staring with 346 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,119 the putter in front of you, and it is that 347 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:03,240 that's what I call plumb bobbing, because the putter in 348 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:06,160 front of you does absolutely nothing if you don't know 349 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:09,640 all the other steps on how to stand or where to. 350 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: Stand, let's let's get into it. 351 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: Love this, okay, let's start with the first The first 352 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,920 step is too and let me. 353 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: And it's how to stand. As you're saying, the first step. 354 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: The first step is how to stand. So the first 355 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,119 step on how to stand is you you need to 356 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,480 take a wide stance at which gets your spine perpendicular 357 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:38,640 to the ground slope, all right, And this is where 358 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,039 we're going to create an angle gap in front of 359 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:43,920 your in front of your face with the putter and 360 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,680 some imaginary lines that you're going to draw. So wide stance, 361 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:53,640 don't tilt your head or your torso or anything in 362 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,880 any direction. And you wouldn't know which way to tilt 363 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:03,880 it on subtle slopes anyway, so you can, yeah, here 364 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,960 we go. So anyway, that's how to stand. And it's 365 00:24:09,079 --> 00:24:12,440 important that you just stand the same way every time 366 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,119 so that if there are any quirks about you having 367 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,480 one leg short or another, it'll all come out in 368 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:23,359 the calibration. So that's how to stand. The second thing 369 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,759 is where to stand. Well, you need to stand where 370 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,440 the ball will break. So when you see people plumb 371 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,519 bobbing and the ball is in front of them, that's 372 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:36,519 a mistake right away because you don't put backwards. So 373 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:39,400 you need to go stand up around or just slightly 374 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,039 in front of the ball with the ball between your legs, 375 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:49,599 spread your legs, stand correctly, and that's and that's where 376 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,519 you are going to get the read or the slope 377 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,839 of the ground as the ball travels store as a hole. Now, 378 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,480 let's say in my book, covers a ten foot putt 379 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:01,119 to win the US Open. So you go there, You 380 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,200 take a stance right in front of the ball, right 381 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:06,640 at the ball, take a read. Then in the minute 382 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,319 you take a read, you're going to have an angle gap, 383 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,799 and from the practice screen calibration you're going to know 384 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,599 exactly where to aim that ball for the speed you 385 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:18,720 like to make the ball. Okay, now the question is 386 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,400 will it continue to break that way all the way? 387 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:27,880 Does the slope remain the same. So, since you were 388 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,000 going to win the US Open with this ten foot 389 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,519 you go up to the hole, right at the hole, 390 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,200 with the hole right between your legs, and take the 391 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,759 same read, same do everything the same way as you 392 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:42,079 did over the ball, and you look and you see 393 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:45,000 an angle gap. If it's the same angle gap, you 394 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:47,960 know that the break is perfect. That it'll stay the 395 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,000 same and that your read is perfect. If, for example, 396 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:55,440 though you take a read and there is no angle gap, 397 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:58,880 there's a the putter goes right through your first object. 398 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,200 You know that it is flattened out at the hole. 399 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,200 So you need to adjust, and you need to adjust 400 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:09,559 your aim line a little less, and of course adjusts 401 00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:12,519 for speed as well. It all becomes a real feel 402 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,839 at that time, a proportional feel. That's what I call it. 403 00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: Okay, can you explain to me what you mean by 404 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,920 angle gap? 405 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: Okay? When you are at geometry, well, when you're standing 406 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,640 at the appropriate place, and you're standing where you're supposed 407 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,200 to and you're looking at the cup, all right, So 408 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:39,640 you run a ground line right straight to you're growing 409 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,960 the middle of your growing an imaginary ground line. And 410 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,599 when you get about three two or three feet in 411 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,440 front of your on that ground line, you'll see a 412 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,319 second object, or you'll see a little object on the 413 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,680 ground that you're running this ground line. Or it could 414 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,680 be a spike mark, if be a piece of dirt, 415 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,480 it could be anything. So you take the bottom, you 416 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,960 take your upholding it correctly and at arm's length, and 417 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,880 you put the very bottom of the putter onto the 418 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,000 onto that spike mark or whatever, and then you look 419 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,160 up to find the cup, and the cup is off 420 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,160 to the left. You know you have a right breaking putt, 421 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,480 all right, And how much of that gap you see 422 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,319 between the center line of the cup and the shaft, 423 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,319 you know exactly where the aim line is going to be. 424 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:30,240 It may be three more of those gaps, it may 425 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,519 be four more of those gaps, or maybe just two 426 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,839 more of those gaps. That's your aim line for the 427 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,400 speed you prefer to hold the putt, and that when 428 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:48,200 you get good at it, that is instantaneous. And all 429 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:51,720 that becomes because you've got your spine and you've created 430 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,559 this angle gap with your body, and then you use 431 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,640 you threw in the true vertical putter to expose that 432 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,440 ankle gap right there in front of your face every time, 433 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,680 and you instantly know from calibration how much that ball 434 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,759 is going to break in a perfect a line. Now, again, 435 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,480 this goes back to the question you asked about the 436 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:20,839 mountain over here or the ocean over here? Do I 437 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:26,079 take in account any of that? And you go, no, bet, 438 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,599 you best not even look at it, because if you 439 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,920 do look at it, and you take your read and 440 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,480 all of a sudden it shows an absolute straight putt, 441 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,720 and you're going, no, it can't be because I see 442 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,279 it falling from the mountain to the ocean. You know. 443 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,319 Now you've got doubt in your mind, all right, and 444 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,480 you never need that. So I suggest don't even look 445 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,319 for the mountain or the other because because then the 446 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,920 way you don't even get confused. But over time when 447 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,920 you start making all these putts, so there goes you're 448 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,480 not going to care what the tobography is. So all 449 00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:05,400 of that what I just said, guess how fast that 450 00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:09,599 is and how quick that is. We just eliminated slow 451 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,119 play on the on the on the course for all 452 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:15,200 tour pros. 453 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: What about you know, if it's a double breaker, they 454 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,279 haven't it's going to break one way and then as 455 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:26,880 it gets closer to the hole, it's going to break 456 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,599 a different way. 457 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:33,079 Speaker 2: How do you read those great question? So you uh uh, 458 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,480 you take you so you got a twenty footer and 459 00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:38,359 it's in the book as well. You you take your 460 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,880 first read right over the ball, all right, and you 461 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,480 got a nice little angle gap, you know, and you 462 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:47,400 go okay, and you know, of course the putters over 463 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,279 here the cups over here, which means left break. So 464 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,240 you got your boom boom boom. You got the line. 465 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,880 You already know that, but you just want to confirm 466 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:58,519 that it's the same. So you go halfway and you 467 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:02,000 take another read and all a sudden, holy cal the 468 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:06,640 putters on the other side of the hole, and you 469 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:10,759 got and this ground here is right is left, the 470 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,640 right break just the opposite of which you just took 471 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:19,119 it there, all right, So now you're going, whoa, this 472 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,039 is something. So then you go up by the hole 473 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,640 do it again, and you see that continued left break, 474 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,160 you know, or the right break, the opposite direction breke. 475 00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:36,720 So then you adjust your original break and you hit 476 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:42,599 it appropriately, and you can practice that again and get 477 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,680 good at that on the practice green as well. Do 478 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:54,119 you follow all that? Well? 479 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: You ask me, if I follow all that? All of it? No, 480 00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:59,759 some of it? Yeah. 481 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,119 Speaker 2: If I had an illustration right in front of me, 482 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,000 you would be able to follow it a lot. 483 00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, I think that's why we should remind people 484 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:10,880 to buy the book. If this isn't all intriguing to you, 485 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,039 buy the book, it's going to be worth the investment. 486 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,359 And it's not even. 487 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: Well you're going to be able to pay for the investment. 488 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,359 Just in four man scrambles or Lauderdale's or whatever you call. 489 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,119 I never lose one of those. And the reason is 490 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:29,920 is because I insist on putting first, and if I 491 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,839 don't make it, you didn't waste the three other guys, 492 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,359 you know, putting it up there pretending they know which 493 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,000 way the ball's going or this sort of stuff. 494 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,599 Speaker 1: So when you're at your peak of playing and you're 495 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,880 using your ego system, how many putts around are you 496 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,200 looking at for yourself? I'm sure it's not eighteen? 497 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:53,519 Speaker 2: Well it should be, but then again. 498 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: I should be that. 499 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:59,519 Speaker 2: I don't enough to get into that expertise. My fellow 500 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,160 players when I was at the peak at playing, they 501 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,119 basically said, Andy, you know, you don't really hit the 502 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,799 ball that good. You know, you know, you know what 503 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,920 Basically what they were saying is, I'm not on the 504 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,640 greens is much g I rs so you know I 505 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,799 get it up. If I get it up and then 506 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,160 six feet it's just dead that you know, I mean? 507 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: And I don't miss huh, you don't miss six footers, 508 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,640 you don't miss ten foot. 509 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: At the peak when I was playing, I never never 510 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,599 even thought about missing a six footer. It was a 511 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,000 matter of fact. They kick it back half the time. 512 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:35,000 They knew it was good. 513 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: That was a gimmey a ten gimme. 514 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,319 Speaker 2: Six footers are gimmy with this, will they will be 515 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,599 gimmes with two proas. 516 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we would hope so yeah, And you talked 517 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,359 about how they would say, well, if it's not on TV, 518 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,400 I don't I don't want to use it. That's kind 519 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,519 of like what they're talking about Ame Point. 520 00:32:56,559 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: I would think, well, aame points on TV. It's worked 521 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,880 his way into it even though it doesn't work. But 522 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,960 that just shows the desperation that tour pros have. I mean, 523 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,920 Jim Nance absolutely hates it. He's come out with articles 524 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:16,680 can't stand it when you turn your back to the 525 00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:21,000 cup and then it's slow and it's goofy looking and 526 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:26,799 there's no math behind it. But other than that, you know, 527 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,880 it's just desperation. They don't they don't trust, they're staring 528 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,079 at it anymore. So they're trying to find some alternative 529 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,039 and somehow aim Point got out there with Adam Scott 530 00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:46,759 a few others. I think Adam was one of the first. 531 00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:52,599 Speaker 1: And then getting it on TV, getting these and why 532 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:54,559 do you think it doesn't work? 533 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,839 Speaker 2: A point? Yeah, well again, I'll go right back to 534 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:05,240 the there's no math your foot feeling and you're going 535 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,000 to have to persent some kind of four percent something 536 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,840 and then you relate that to fingers. But what book? 537 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,400 What math book do you go to? Calculus, trig algebra, 538 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,199 differential equations, all of which I tech as a civil engineer. 539 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,480 Where where is there a chapter on feeling? There isn't 540 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,840 There is no math. It takes math to work. 541 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: Right, But you're also introducing your body. 542 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 2: The body the math that's correct. Your body is sets 543 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,639 up the structure, sets up your spine, that creates an angle. 544 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,440 All right, So that's math anyway. 545 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,119 Speaker 1: Now, But I'm I mean you're you're introducing your body 546 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:55,199 in the stroke, not in the setup. I mean, what 547 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,880 you're explaining to me seems like all part of the setup. 548 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,280 It is, and not necessarily we're. 549 00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 2: Talking expert green reading. Now, if you can't hit the 550 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,360 ball where you want to hit it, at the speed 551 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,920 you want to hit it, that's a whole other subject, okay, 552 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,239 And it's my contention that there isn't a two pro 553 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,920 they can't do that ninety nine point nine percent of 554 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,000 the time that can hit that, they hit it where 555 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,480 they want to hit it, at the speed they want 556 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,639 to hit it, almost all the time. 557 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,519 Speaker 1: I see, I see. So you you said you don't 558 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,000 like the word plumb bobbing. 559 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 2: That's great. 560 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: Why is why is that taboo here? 561 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:45,039 Speaker 2: Because it does nothing. It's basically it's staring, just holding 562 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:48,079 the putter up. The best you could ever get out 563 00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,239 of it is maybe if you look at the cup 564 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,599 and the cups at a big slant, you can see 565 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:56,079 that there is a big slant that the cup may 566 00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,679 help you a little bit when the ball starts to 567 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,280 get close to the hole, but has nothing to do 568 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,880 with what the ground slope is outside, you know, twenty 569 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:13,800 feet away. And people have looked at my system and said, oh, 570 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,599 that's just plumb bobbing, and then they assume they even 571 00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:19,840 know what plumb bobbing is. Have you ever had anybody 572 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,280 explain to you what plumbbobbing was? Well, I got eighty 573 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,320 eight pages in a book. It shows you exactly what 574 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,000 egos is. 575 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh, I got it. So we talked 576 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000 about how to stand and where to stand. But you 577 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:36,280 said the third part was how to hold the grip. 578 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,599 Speaker 2: That's correct, how to hold the putt. 579 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,159 Speaker 1: How to hold the putter when you're doing the egosystem, 580 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,519 explain that to me, please. 581 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: Okay, in doing the egosystem, you have to create a 582 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:52,079 true vertical same thing as if you had a strain 583 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,960 on a plumb weight. All right, you want this thing, 584 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960 this putter, to be an absolute, true vertical in front 585 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,840 of your eyes. Can you create the angle gap that 586 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,159 your spine is at. Okay, So you hold the putter 587 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,400 at the bottom of the grip very lightly, and you 588 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,239 put it at arm's length, and you hold it this 589 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,639 way the same time, and then you run that line, 590 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,119 that imaginary line to the second object and you put 591 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:18,920 the bottom of it on there to create the c 592 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,440 So that you need to make your putter a true 593 00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:28,679 visual perfect as you look at it. In essence, it 594 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,679 becomes a serving instrument. 595 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: So and and you're you're doing this so it's exactly 596 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,559 perpendicular to the to the ground too. 597 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 2: It's exactly vertical to the world, exactly vertical to the 598 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,880 world visually from where you're looking at it. Okay, it 599 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,400 might not be that way any other way. So a 600 00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:58,639 toe hag putter you know that has a certain toe 601 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,159 hang you if you're going to hold it, it'll it'll 602 00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:05,880 actually veer off to the right or left as it 603 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,039 balances each other. So you don't have a perfect vertical 604 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,760 on most toe hag putters. You but in certain directions 605 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,360 or in a certain dimension, when you get to toe 606 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,000 at a certain degree, it will be what you call 607 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:24,320 center balance vertically, and it will. You can use your 608 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,880 own putter if you know exact position to hold it 609 00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:33,639 and get it into. But again, you know, when you 610 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,000 got like a two inch break or a two and 611 00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,639 a half inch break, you need the most the best 612 00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:43,400 surveying instrument putter you got uh or you need to 613 00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:48,760 you get the putter right every time. And so if 614 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,559 a tour pro complains he's missing, he's missing short putts 615 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,079 by that don't break much. The first thing I'm going 616 00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,239 to do is saying, well, we need to work you 617 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,960 get your putter in the proper position. 618 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:08,079 Speaker 1: So I'm a little confused about the math part, sure, 619 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,199 and I'm confused about math period, but when it comes 620 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:15,760 to the ego system, I'm confused about where the math 621 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,480 part falls in. 622 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,159 Speaker 2: Well, the math part is tenth grade geometry. 623 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: Ah, that's why I okay, I never did that. 624 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 2: Most people memorize it, take a test, and then forget 625 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,480 about it if they even take it right. But that's 626 00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:36,320 a high school of course. So the math part is, 627 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,400 if I'm watching you do it, and if you're not 628 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,880 creating the angles and the gaps, you know, instantly I 629 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,880 can fix it. I can say, oh, you're not holding 630 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,400 your putty this way, you're tilting your body when you're standing, 631 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,159 or I can say you're not standing in the proper position, 632 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,280 you know, And it's all just instantaneous to fix, and 633 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,800 we can keep fixing it until you get it right. 634 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,159 Speaker 1: All right. Well again, the book is called Math and 635 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,960 Analysis Green Reading Methodology on PGA Tour Today and Tomorrow 636 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,119 by Andrew J. Walters. Pe available that will put a 637 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,719 link for it in the show notes, and hopefully it's 638 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,760 going to help you out a lot. It's fascinating to me, 639 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,280 and if you do it right, there's no question it's 640 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:33,719 going to help. 641 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 2: Right Andy, Oh, it'll make you the best putter in 642 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,400 your group by far, nobody else is doing it. And 643 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,400 it'll take a person like Bryson and make him the 644 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,519 best putter in the world. And that's a guarantee. It's 645 00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,360 in the book. 646 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,519 Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to tell you that Bryson listens to 647 00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:59,559 this podcast, but i'd be lying. I cannot imagine that 648 00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,159 he does. And it was great talking to you. I 649 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,519 really appreciate the education and best of luck with this method. 650 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 2: Hey, thank you, Fred, I appreciate you too,