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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, to another GV review episode. This

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is gonna be a big one. Pandora size, NAVI size.

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Speaker 3: I'm the free Willie taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, just the three of us tonight.

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No Travis, he's very, very upset that he didn't get

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a you know, get to see some Pandora action opening night.

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But he'll be he'll be seeing it in the next

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stay tuned on those feeds or whatnot on his Twitter

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and all that stuff. But we are here, Yeah, talk

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about Avatar The Way of Water. We're gonna classic fashion.

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We're gonna start with a non spoilers review portion and

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then lead into spoiler free We're gonna break down this

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three hour plus action packed adventure. But before we get

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all that, we got some housekeeping. Just yeah, quick plugs

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we got Travis told you sos. We got so many

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different feeds. No, so how many times? At least a

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few more, at least a few more. I've been out

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of the game for at least a week now. My

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brain's a little uh little brain brain press.

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Speaker 2: For you did not say so y t t y?

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Speaker 1: That sounds straight where.

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Speaker 2: You get off from?

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Speaker 1: Anyways, we got we got so many feeds. Taylor helped

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time to get my sip in, but second wind second wins. Uh.

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helps us out here. Geek first, gentlemen, anything else to

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say before we just get into This is gonna be

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a decent long one, I feel, maybe not the full

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length of the movie, but still I think it's good

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time to just dive right in.

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Speaker 3: Do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive all right. I I'm gonna start with Dylan here.

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What did you think of Avatar The Way of Water?

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Were you dressed up in blue paint tonight? Did you

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have your tail? Were you ready to go?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I did not know Avatar The Way of the Water.

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This is, without a doubt, one of the worst movies

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I've seen in at least this year, maybe I'm gonna

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say last three four years. This is a horrible movie

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as far as I'm concerned. I think as a movie itself,

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we'll talk about the reasons why it sucks. But as

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a sequel, I think this is horrible as probably one

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of the worst sequels I've ever seen in terms of

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following up on what its predecessor has done. You know,

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we've been meming a lot the last couple of weeks

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here there was like a some DC scoops where like

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Patty Jenkins, you know, is doing her wonder Woman thing,

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and she sent an email to her execs which was

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like a Wikipedia link for character arcs or something like that.

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She should have fucking CC James Cameron on that email,

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because this movie is devoid of any interesting character work

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from anyone from the first movie, and then they just

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throw a bunch of new ones in here. I feel

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like there's an issue. I have a lot with a

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few years, as we've been watching a million things, which

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is that when something is not very well written, they

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the movies that are like kids of another character, or

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it's a parent, or it's a cousin, whatever it may be.

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so that if a character is kidnapped or killed instantly

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has a lot more meaning. And I don't really bring

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this up much, but something that has been bothering me

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the last couple of years, and that's just done so often.

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they just throw all sorts of new characters in there

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that don't really have any depth whatsoever, and it also

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takes away from what these previous characters were just so

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that you can have these artificial stakes. But since there's

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no effective writing or like intrigue to these characters, I

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just I don't care about any of them. The only

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reason that these scenes have any any sort of stakes

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whatsoever is because they are a familiar They're, you know,

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a family member, they have some in common with another

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character in the movie, and I think that's unfortunately pretty lazy.

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to the bathroom, because this movie is long as fuck.

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And maybe the last thing I'll say before we can

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hopefully get you guys with some positivity in here, is

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that this movie feels very disconnected to me, in that

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the first half of it, which is an hour and

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a half is the length of a whole movie, is

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just pretty much like a bunch of little five minute

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they are completely disconnected from each other. It's just this

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little moment, and then the second half movie is just

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this one sequence that's fucking super long and doesn't really

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get interested at any point. But the problem with both

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of these is that those shorts, as I'm calling them,

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in the first half of the movie, none of them have

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any tension because they're all these super quick sequences that

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they never really build it up. And then the second

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and build it up, but at that point, I'm already

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so checked out and I'm already have a movies length

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into this thing that I just couldn't get into it

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at that point. And I think, I mean, this movie

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did it for me quick. It was the first ten

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to fifteen minutes where I won't say what it is

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exactly for the spoiler's sake of it, but it just

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immediately put me down the wrong road and I was like,

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this is a horrible direction ago and then it never

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really got any more interesting. And unfortunately, I just feel

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like the setting of this, you know, the way of

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the water, the ocean setting, is not really done for

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any purpose that lends to the greater world or story

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or these characters. It's just because James Cameron has a

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heart on for the ocean. That's like the only reason

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we went to this new setting. And it sucks because then,

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like all that stuff from the first movie that you

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take this time to build up, they just kind of

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throw out the window for no purpose. And then this

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movie doesn't really have an ending either, so that kind

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of sucks, especially when you're in the chair for three

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hours long. So maybe I'll keep it at that for now,

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because I know the Avatar fans have already exited out

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of this podcasus because they don't like to hear all

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my negativity. So hopefully one or both of you are

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much more positive than me. Did field ship.

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Speaker 3: I mean, hence my nickname. I feel like this was

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like a culmination of a few different huh films, non spoilery,

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non spoilery of course, but like I feel like you have, like.

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Speaker 1: I say, since my name and I'm like, where's he

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going with this? Like I have no idea what your

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name is? Like, have you never what your name was?

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Speaker 2: Already?

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Speaker 1: You have?

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Speaker 3: Either of you?

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Speaker 1: I know the purpose but likes Cameron movie? No, No,

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is it James Cameron movie?

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Speaker 2: Are you trolling me?

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Speaker 3: It's not? But I feel uh in terms of this movie,

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it's it's it's tricky what I say. I put the

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first one about it. Yes, I would one of your

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favorite movies of all time. Yes, absolutely to me, Like

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I don't, I don't. I don't feel that there was

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ever a point in time watching this movie that I

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thought like I need to like look at the clock,

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or like, god, this is so long, or anything like that,

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which is definitely good. There were some moments like probably

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my only real con was in certain action sequences. I

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actually feel like they said it to like two time

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speed because I was like, this seems like there's something

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isn't like right here with the acceleration of certain actions.

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Speaker 2: Weird looking boats in this movie?

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Speaker 3: What's that?

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Speaker 2: A lot of weird looking boats in this movie?

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Speaker 3: Boats lending what you were? Whose boat was? It? Is

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my question? But yeah, I just I think that everything

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that they were trying to do, like, there were some

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things that were loose ends. There were some other things

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that I I kind of nitpicked in question, but it

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wasn't enough to take away my overall enjoyment and experience

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for this. I'm a very big sucker for callbacks for

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things and being a long period of time. Again, that's

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not justification or that's only my own personal bias. Being

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such a long period of time between the first movie

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and this movie, getting a whole bunch of callbacks to

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locations and just mentions and dialogue and stuff like that,

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I'm a sucker for it. So it just wrote me

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in I'm leaning forward, like, oh, there's that, and then

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there's this thing. Holy shit, Like I'm not saying that

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out loud, but I'm saying it in my head.

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Speaker 2: The lady nexting, Oh my god, she was narrating this

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whole thing. It was Jake sully narration, and her narration

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never ended.

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Speaker 3: There were people that kept like popping their phones out,

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but they were taking pictures of the movie screen. It

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was very peculiar choice. Yeah, but I like, all in all,

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like I will say, I actually, I really really did

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enjoy this. I know I'm kind of like if sounds

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like a beat around the bush or kind of hesitant,

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but no, all in all, I enjoyed it. Did it

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have some problems, Yes it did, but it was a

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beautiful movie. I was a very big sucker for what

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they were just doing story wise, even though it was

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very much identical to the first one just re skinned

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in a different esthetic because they even use the movie

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scores from the first one at certain key points that

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were again those same key points in this movie throughout

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the same duration. So yeah, that's again it's not a

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big takeaway because I just love being in this world

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and I think it was. It was a good sequel.

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And I can't tell you how badly I want that

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that third one. Holy shit, do I ever want that

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third one? So I'm glad it's filmed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Do you guys both see in

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three D?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think of it? Yeah? What about

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you don't?

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Speaker 2: Yah?

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Speaker 1: Big big three D guy.

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Speaker 2: I found it other didn't really feel like anything new

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or innovative, groundbreaking.

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Speaker 1: I really don't like three D movies, but I must

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say I I really really love the three D of

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this movie. I don't know what it was. It just

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seemed like the refresh rate or something. It like seemed

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better than like what two D movies are, and like

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that's something that I kind of had to get adjusted to. You.

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I told Dylan off cast that, like the first ten

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minutes it hit me. My bladder was knocking, and I

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was like, fuck, why did I not pre pre go

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to the bathroom before this, I knew I was getting

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myself into. And then the three D was bothering me

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initially too, in like the first few minutes, and I

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was just kind of like upset. I'm like, oh no,

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this is gonna be a three hour just just train wreck,

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cause I'm like, my eyes are already bugging me. And

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then and then, and like I will say, I feel

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like my my yeah, no, I don't even want to

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probably by like quite a bit, but like, honestly, I

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still think this is a solid enjoyment. I had a

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lot of issues with the story stuff, so I am

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excited to unravel that. And I definitely think Dylan is

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his parents some of his assessments on just like the

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sequel side of it, it was just like it it

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just seemed really disconnected and yeah, like the early stages

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but it was just like oh no, like, oh no,

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what are we doing story wise here? Like I think

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really the main threat of this film was probably my

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biggest like downfall with it. And again, like I'll go

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into more specifics, but and like again going back to

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a more positive side, I just I was blown away

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the entire movie with just how good the visual effects look.

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looked so damn good. And again, I feel like that's

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something that I just got really into, like the three D,

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all of the Yeah, just the vfx. I was completely

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blown away. And although I have issues with the story,

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fortunately for me, just like the pure beauty and like

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adventure what this movie had, I was totally in on it.

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to the spoiler section, But yeah, I was pretty upset

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with with our main threat but overall just such a

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visually beautiful movie and one that I would honestly recommend

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to people like seeing this in like a three D

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theatrical experience, because I just I enjoyed it so much

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my group of friends, I say, my friends, I want

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my parents and my cousin. But still we all had

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a good time with it. And yeah, like I I

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think I'll just leave it there because I do want

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to get into some of these these story moments. I

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guess my last few things I could say is I

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did like the new cast that we met, but yeah,

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It's I don't know, I'm not super over the moon

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with it, but I'm I'm definitely enough to pass it.

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I think that's a little bit spoiler for my review

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or my number. I'll give it later. Anything else, gentlemen,

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before we get into our spoiler section or you want

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to jump.

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Speaker 2: In, I'll say a couple of things. I kind of

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memed on the boat of the boat when there's a

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couple of boats that I got astray and I thought

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it looked awful, But that was truly the only thing

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that did look bad in terms of the visuals of it.

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I don't feel like that was the case, but it was.

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I really wanted to see this in theaters. If you

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go back to our retro, I had never seen the

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first one in theaters, and then I watched it again

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just recently, and I just really could not connect with

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the story or character really anything, honestly. And you know,

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one thing you guys talked about the route, and I

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think I've heard in general is that like, oh, the

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theatrical experience was like elevates it so much, and so

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I was hopeful that that would be the case for

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me here. But I'm I mean, they're like the story

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sucks and the characters aren't really well written, so like

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it don't it doesn't really matter if I'm seeing on

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the big screen and it looks better and this and

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the speakers are better or something like. For me, that

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didn't really do it. So I guess if anyone listening

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or retro and they're the same boat as me or

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I'm very curious on Travis because he and I were

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in a similar boat as well. If you were in

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that boat, you're not really a big fan of that

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first one. I don't really feel like going to the

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theater experience is so mind blowing that it's gonna get

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you over the hump of there not really being any

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sort of intriguing story here and really it just being

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kind of a rehash of the first movie again in

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terms of that story. So I guess that would be

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my recommendation, But I realize I am far in the

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outlier category in terms of avatar fandom, so my opinion

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might just be for a more niche, you know, selection

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of the audience that might be looking to our spoiler

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free section before they check out themselves.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Taylor, I would absolutely recommend this for a theater.

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I just think that the when you take the visuals

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stacked with just like the level of sound and the score,

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like there's just so much to pop off and really

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just soak in. I mean, I don't know how big

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they make TVs nowadays and people's homes. I guess they

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can get pretty pretty big, But like, are they movie

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theater pig as big as the money they will? Yeah,

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So go go see it. In theaters because I mean, like,

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you guys touched upon it already, but that three D,

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fact that I haven't seen a three D movie in

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a long time or whatnot, Like it took a minute

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just to kind of adjust my eyes to it. But

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once they were showcasing the world and things were moving around,

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I thought, oh, this is just this is the the

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Be's Knees, the Pandora.

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Speaker 1: Box again to your buddy next year. Yeah, some random dude,

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stop talking to me.

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Speaker 3: It's the bes Knees right.

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Speaker 1: Right on? All right, uh lady, and tell them we're

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gonna go to our first ad break and we'll be

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back to dive into the spoiler section. So here we go.

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All right, we are wet and wild and ready to go.

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Where do you guys want to start?

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Speaker 3: I have one pitch. It's a quick one if you

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guys are interested. So maybe i'll kind of if they

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go back to Pandora, it'll segue into into Miles Carwitch's character.

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But I can never say his last name right but

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just yet, Okay, we'll talk more about it, but yes,

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he's back. Just I was not expecting the openings like

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his opening scene.

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Speaker 2: Like you're not anymore.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm glad you're starting here. Okay, yes,

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So this was in that period where my three D

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goggles they weren't fully adjusting to my eyes yet I

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really had to pee. I was like, oh, I got

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I'm I'm like four minutes into this this three hour venture,

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this is not going to be great. And then it's

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just like I feel like this is where the Paccene

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was the most egregious for me, was in this early

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stage of just like fast forwarding like what that star

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and then it just has this like human sequence of

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them coming to Earth. It's like basically the opening to

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the first movie. And it was just like okay, like

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like like what what's going on here? Like like this

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is so rapid speed of just like now is our

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protagonist really like the humans? But in like the Blue Form,

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which is like just a spin on what it was

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in the first movie. And I was just oh, I

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really didn't love that stuff. And really it just it

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just kept going throughout the movie. I was hinting towards it,

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uh my non spoilers, the human as like the threat

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and them just the entire time that the camera was

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like with our human characters. I really really did not

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like that at all. I was so bummed out about it. Fortunately,

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like I said, like my my highlight of it was

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kind of in the middle. We were just in like

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the water realm and like they were just not even

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on screen for a good amount of time. But man,

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like yeah, I was. I was so bummed out, and

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I I love the memes about like Coorige and you know,

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we're not Bend or yeah this what's it? What's the line? Yeah? Anymore,

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we're in Bend Aura. Like he's literally just meming. He's

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saying the exact same lines from the first movie, and

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it's it's like satirical where they're like making fun of themselves.

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And it was just so strange that this is, like

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I know, he's not our protagonist, but at that point

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of the movie, like it's just kind of following him

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and like he's basically in the same position that Jake

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Sully was in. It was just I really really didn't

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like that story decision at all. I think they could

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have made this movie without that threat. Maybe like you

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could get the humans back, but like maybe in then,

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like it just it was so rush for me. And

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that I Yeah, I can completely agree with everyone that

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does not like that story decision because I definitely don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was chasing my jujubi in this movie. I

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was looking for that scene, that golden scene where he

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got to really chew the scenery and all that, and

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I don't feel like I ever really got that. Like

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he has that line, which is you know, fun. We

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memed on that line a lot on our retro and

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on the twenty four hour stream and all that, but

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I didn't feel like I ever got a moment with

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him that was like taking me back to the enjoyment

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of him being in over the top chewing the scenery

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kind of villain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also the decision of it in general was kind of weird.

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But yeah, that was like where I checked out and

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then there was nothing that really brought me back in.

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Was that, Like they just red con the whole first

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movie right, Like that was such a strange decision to me,

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that the whole first movie is them fighting them off

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and then in minutes they come back with what appears

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to be the to my memory, I watched the first

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movie like, you know, a month ago, like the exact

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same tech they'd like the same machinery in that and

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then we're we just assume that they just instantly won

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and we just skip a year later. That was horrible

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like that, it didn't make any sense to me, completely

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took away from what the whole first movie's story is.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I could ever go back to that

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first one and find it intriguing now knowing that all

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of this is for nothing and we're not actually gonna

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really see like what turned the tide. It's just like, okay,

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they did, the humans came back, they won, and then

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at the end of this movie, you don't get this.

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You don't get the solution either. A couple of characters die,

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one really important one, the rest like not all the

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humans are still there and we're gonna keep doing this

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in three four five really just spin wheels, not go anywhere.

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So yeah, that that was a very very bizarre decision

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for me.

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Speaker 3: The the intro for me, I was totally on board

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with it because it just we got our we got

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our exposition, we got just the brace period of just

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being in Pandora and just leading into okay, like this

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times lost that battle though, and like the humans when

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the humans returned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't need to know what I lost. The ship's

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just coming down with the repulse, like were propulsion engines,

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like it just decimated. So like visually, I could see

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clearly why the Navy had to back out. And at

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this point, I think it was only the Midikaya people

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like Jake Sully's clan that was really doing like heist

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missions and stuff like that. I think the rest of

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the clans were all kind of keeping to themselves and

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doing their own things. So I mean, and with how

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many ships and how much like force they came back with,

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it doesn't surprise me that like they had to kind

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of hunker down. The humans were just like left, right,

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and center. They were everywhere, So that kind of like

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filled in that questionnaire for me. But again, like I

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like the exposition of just leading into it and that

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sequence when he like looks up and you see the

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star and you do see all those ships, I was like,

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holy fuck, like humans, man, what the fuck? And uh,

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it just got it like amped up more when yeah,

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all the creatures were burning and forest is just like destroyed,

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and I just thinking the ties crying and the tear

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has had it rough. She's had a fucking rough. Everything's

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always on fire in her life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it I feel like I don't think Dylan is

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that wrong in saying that, Like this really brings down

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a lot of the stakes that the first movie had.

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Like I really love the first movie. I don't think this,

480
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,880
like this decision is enough for me to like not

481
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,720
not be able to rewatch that just because I like

482
00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:51,000
the visuals and the like just yeah, like like what

483
00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:53,079
goes on in that first movie, but like just the

484
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,759
fact that they're just like instantly back, It's like why

485
00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:57,559
why did they even like let them go in the

486
00:22:57,599 --> 00:22:59,240
first place. I guess you can make the argument they're

487
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,279
just they're better than humans and like they're letting me go.

488
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 3: But you say instantly, but it wasn't instantly, Like this

489
00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,880
was a span of almost like fifteen twenty years.

490
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,079
Speaker 1: Of coming back.

491
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it took them like five years to get

492
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,720
leave Pandora go back to Earth and then then another

493
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,039
uh you look at the kids age when they had

494
00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:20,680
the kids, add like ten years then five years turn back.

495
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: I think it was just like when they arrived, it

496
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,559
was just like, well we're just it's like ten times

497
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,440
up the Annie and like this is where I like

498
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,680
I I was kind of making like satirical references of

499
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,920
like our Miles Core. I'm gonna use his first name

500
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,200
now now that I know it, Miles Korch Corridge Korych, Yeah,

501
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,000
with a te the Coorach character. And he's just you know,

502
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:45,960
the exact same again, but now he's in the blue

503
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,119
skin and he has this like video call that of course,

504
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,519
like his previous self just like gave him the instructions

505
00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:53,319
like if you're reading this now, Like that's where it

506
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:53,680
was just like.

507
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: The same thing too, where he's like, what am I

508
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,359
supposed to say you to this thing?

509
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,279
Speaker 1: Yes? And that's where it's like he's the exact same characters,

510
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:04,079
Jake Sully, Like this is so strange, And yeah, I was.

511
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,319
I was hopeful to like get a lot of like

512
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,960
happy meme moments from this movie, but unfortunately it just

513
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,640
really didn't go that route. I felt like they try

514
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,319
to make him like a little bit more human and

515
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,000
like a bit of a I don't know, he's got

516
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:17,799
like he's not such a piece of shit. He is

517
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:19,599
a piece of shit, but he's not as much of

518
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,480
a piece of shit as you thought. And I feel

519
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,759
like it's just it's such a weird decision to do

520
00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:24,559
with that character.

521
00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: It's I mean the character. We talked about this in

522
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,240
our retro once again that he really had no depth

523
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,920
in that first movie, right, He's just he's maybe kind

524
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,359
of funny villain. He's kind of like a badass whatever.

525
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,680
So it's like, okay, well, what's the decision to bring

526
00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:40,960
him back? And I was assuming when we were talking

527
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,799
about this and the trailers and stuff that Okay, we

528
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:45,880
know he's coming back. It's weird he's in a NAVI body.

529
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,279
I thought like maybe he'd be part of it or something,

530
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:49,880
but like, no, he is the lead villain.

531
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,519
Speaker 3: Again.

532
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: You could say there's an other sergeant lady who makes

533
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,720
some decisions, but she gets five minutes of screen time

534
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,079
in a three hour long movie, so she's pretty much worthless.

535
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:01,359
So it's just him and yeah, once again, the only

536
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,880
thing that's new you mentioned like he's he's got no appearance.

537
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,279
You know, he's rocking the Navvy body. But the only

538
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:10,039
other difference is that, once again, to add artificial stakes,

539
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:13,039
they gave him some son who I don't know if

540
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:14,559
I want to talk about that now, but that is

541
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:17,559
the fucking we say some of those things I have

542
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,119
seen like in a long time and weird character. So

543
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,200
it's like that that doesn't look for me at all,

544
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,839
and then you get forced moments of of course, of

545
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,519
course you know from the moment you see that interaction

546
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:31,160
that at some point there's gonna be the moment when

547
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,799
he calls him son and oh it's just nothing unexpected

548
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,680
ever happened generally in this movie, I would say, but

549
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:40,519
particularly with that character. And it was just a very

550
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:44,599
puzzling decision to bring him back. I do not understand.

551
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:46,960
I do not understand that decision.

552
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,319
Speaker 1: Tay, what do you think about him and being back?

553
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 3: I just look, the sun is like the name of him.

554
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,799
Apparently he was an Avengers Endgame, which.

555
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 2: He looked a little bit familiar, but like.

556
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: The actor apparently at Jack Champion, Jack Champion.

557
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but anyways, yeah, so about is that.

558
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: The kid from Iron Man? Or am I going crazy?

559
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,279
He's too young?

560
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,279
Speaker 3: I have to figure out. I'm very curious now. But yeah,

561
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:24,200
when it comes to Miles being back, I didn't I

562
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,079
didn't need him to return. I think I was a

563
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,200
pretty big advocate for that on the retro and you know,

564
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,000
Travis proved me right. I'll give him that like they

565
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:32,960
brought him back like holy ship, that they can bring

566
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,079
anyone back. And when we got him, I thought, Okay,

567
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,559
this is a pretty cool concept that sure enough they

568
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,480
just shoehorned in there just the scene where he did

569
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,200
his memories and all that jazz like grew body for

570
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:46,079
him and everything like that. I thought it was actually

571
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,079
a very cool thing because when it led to that

572
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,039
scene where he's standing over his dead like human skeleton

573
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,839
and he's looking at the skull, I thought then that

574
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,839
this should be such a really trippy thing just to like,

575
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:03,000
you're you, but you're You've your your memorials to a

576
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,400
certain point and then this other version of using existed.

577
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:07,599
I don't know, it's just it's super super trippy, very

578
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,880
very trippy, and I like that it was just kind

579
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,039
of an alternative human way of creating. Uh, like you

580
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,359
guys have said it, it's just equivalent to Jake Sully

581
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,799
and his adventure, but uh, how Jake Sully's mind and

582
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:23,519
consciousness is transferred into his avatar and just how they

583
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,039
were able to just put this consciousness in and upload

584
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,480
it into an avatar directly just very wild, very wild.

585
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:31,599
But I love that kind of dynamic.

586
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: I think the kid is when ant Man wakes up

587
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:39,319
and he's walking through the neighborhood that's kind of post apocalyptic,

588
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,519
trying to find his daughter on the bike. I think,

589
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,880
oh shit, in the world, he's the next is always

590
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,519
all done in the two like biggest movies. You know

591
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,200
he's going to be the next one if this movie

592
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:54,519
is successful.

593
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: Like it's zero point one percent royalties or something that's going.

594
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,319
Speaker 2: To be apparently Diesels in this movie too. I guess

595
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,680
he would be one of those people as well.

596
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,599
Speaker 1: I saw his name in there. Yeah I didn't see

597
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,119
like a like what the character was.

598
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: He probably played on the Whales or something like that

599
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:16,279
good voice actor. But yeah, with Miles being back in here,

600
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,279
when I saw it, I embraced and I welcomed it.

601
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:21,519
I thought it was totally okay, and I enjoyed seeing

602
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:25,319
him do what he does best. I liked that The

603
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,960
difference this time though, is just he kept having to

604
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:30,200
remind himself that, hey, like, I'm not who that other

605
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,839
guy was, Like, I don't have relationship to this boy,

606
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,400
even though I have the memories in this emotional connection

607
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,279
to him. But at the same time, I like that

608
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:43,160
there's this underlying development where maybe he might turn and

609
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,799
actually maybe more like an anti hero kind of thing,

610
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:51,519
And if they capitalize more on that in this then

611
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:53,400
I think that would have been a lot better instead

612
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,000
of the whole movie being focused on him just being

613
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,559
a repeat of his previous self. In Avatar one, we

614
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,759
got what I felt like, the little bit of turning

615
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:06,319
points when he cared about his son, when before the

616
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,440
Tiery could kill his son, and at the very very

617
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:11,079
end too, when he flew off. I feel like there

618
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,720
was even like maybe a little bit of a flash

619
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,400
of a moment there. But I think that they needed

620
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,000
to kind of make a little bit more space for

621
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,119
that in this film, and that would have been a

622
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:21,640
little bit better. And in terms of him being the

623
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,559
main main bad I thought it was cool seeing these

624
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:28,839
military grunts being Avatar bodies and stuff like that based

625
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,920
off what Jake Silly was, but I think having a

626
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,640
more of a focus on the whaling aspect and just

627
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,640
what humans are doing here. Humans are like, Hey, we

628
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,440
need to take over this planet because Earth is pretty

629
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,359
much dead, so we need to take this planet now,

630
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,119
and we're going to be hunting the whales because this

631
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:53,720
biologically immortal stuff now essentially Istum, Yeah, basically, so this

632
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,240
planet is a gold mine.

633
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,319
Speaker 2: Similar to that, Like, is this the only planet they

634
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:02,039
could possibly go to? Because I understand wanting to go

635
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:04,680
there for the you know, the whale juice, But wouldn't

636
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,839
it make more sense to go to a planet that

637
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,440
you can actually breathe on if you're trying to support

638
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,119
a civilization, especially a planet that has already you've tried

639
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:16,640
to go to and fucking lost, and then also the

640
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,839
plant to go there and just kill all life that's

641
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,559
there and expect that the planet will just be okay

642
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,440
if you do that. That that seemed like just kind

643
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,480
of a throwaway line to me. I don't know if

644
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:32,319
there's really much more depth to that grand plan.

645
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: I think it's this At this point, I guess we

646
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,000
can only really take the movie universe and that this

647
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:43,559
is the only other habitable planet within the like five

648
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,720
par sects of Earth or whatever you want to call it.

649
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,559
So I that's why I can really go by Yeah,

650
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,880
so yeah.

651
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: But it's not a not habitable like they can't live

652
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,000
around their own they have to like, well, why can't

653
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,599
they just go to some other place instead?

654
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,559
Speaker 1: Is that what they were like, is that what the

655
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:00,839
military lady was saying too, like it's not just about

656
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,720
mining anymore, like the like the planet's dying, so we're

657
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:05,799
just like moving, Yeah, we're moving essentially.

658
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't even really take it that

659
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,279
the whalers were related to that plan from that Sergeant's

660
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:12,920
making money.

661
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,359
Speaker 3: The whalers were like the equivalent to yeah, the mining people,

662
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:20,720
like they're the mine operation, the obtainium that was paying

663
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:22,880
for the whole thing. And now, okay, let's just jumped

664
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,160
to this other thing now where this new brain goop

665
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:30,400
is basically cosmeticians. Cosmeticians, cause the cosmetics industry is just

666
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,759
fucking booming now because of this fucking juice.

667
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: So the juice, Yeah, I want to get Sorry, we

668
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,640
quickly go back to what we're talking about, the villain.

669
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Another thing too, that because Kirkling you brought this up

670
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,799
a couple times now, that they just kind of made

671
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,119
him like a Jake solely mirror essentially.

672
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,519
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

673
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: The other thing that really rubbed me the wrong way

674
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:51,279
is that the first movie tried to make such a

675
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,400
big deal of Jake, I guess not being able to

676
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,279
just take over those dragon creatures. So I don't know,

677
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:59,920
the name of anything in here, because like how efficiently

678
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,359
or how quickly he's able to do it, in the

679
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,440
fact that maybe he was the first non actual indigenous

680
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,200
person who's able to do it. I forget exactly what

681
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,039
that plot point is, but it was still like a

682
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:13,119
difficult thing for him, and it's not like day two

683
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,039
in his avatar body. He was able to do that,

684
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:19,440
whereas this guy is, which was super strange to me

685
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,680
because part of it too, is that everything on Pandora

686
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:26,079
is connected, and you know, Jake solely has such a

687
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:27,839
love for this planet. I think that's part of the

688
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,119
reason why he was able to do that, is because

689
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:32,440
he has a connection with this place. But obviously the

690
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,680
sergeant guy doesn't Miles I guess his name, It doesn't

691
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:38,200
care at all about any of this. And the fact

692
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,119
that he was able to control the dragon within thirty

693
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,759
seconds seemed like one puts a huge slash in that

694
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,440
moment from Jake from the first movie, but also just

695
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,720
doesn't really make sense. And then we also don't get

696
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,000
like a compelling scene where he's using the dragon in

697
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,759
a very cool way, like we see the dragon pop

698
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:59,079
up a couple times, but that seems like another weird

699
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,920
plot point there that once again is just like slashing

700
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,039
the tires of the first movie.

701
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that one definitely like bothered me when we

702
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:10,559
were leading up to it because I just saw it like, Okay,

703
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:12,519
I know where we're going now, and then as Susie

704
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:14,599
popped up there and then he's just got his gun,

705
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,680
it's just like and yeah, we haven't even talked about

706
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,480
the kid yet, but he's just like, oh, Jake Solely

707
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,599
could do it like instantly or like like babies could

708
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,079
do this instantly. He's like, oh yeah, well, oh my gun,

709
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,599
I'm gonna go do this, And it was just, yeah,

710
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,960
I agree with with Dylan because that that was such

711
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,720
a big moment like in that first movie of Jake

712
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,680
Solely like being like the one that like this is

713
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,480
what proves that he's actual like like a yeah, like whatever,

714
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:39,920
the full term is, like he's one with the people now.

715
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,720
This is like his last trial to like actually be

716
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:46,039
a hunter. And then this guy just like Ranger Rick

717
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,799
goes in there just just grand theft autos this thing,

718
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,559
and I was like while it was happening, I'm like, well,

719
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:53,559
maybe it's just because he's like such a badass, you know,

720
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:55,880
he's like such a rambo, like he's just so mentally

721
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,519
strong that maybe he just wins that mental battle over him.

722
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:00,160
But then Dylan brought up the good point that like

723
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,079
everything in this world should just be like connected to

724
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,839
AWA and just like like the whole living organism. And

725
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:09,440
like the reason why Jake Sully was able to do

726
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,239
was because he fully reached into that. So I was

727
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,199
like trying to like like I don't know, explain it

728
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,320
in my head on just like how this guy, well,

729
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,639
you know, he's just a really tough, badass military guy,

730
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,199
so he just like dominated the mind of this creature.

731
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,519
But I don't know, I think I was stretching, uh

732
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:26,639
by doing that, Taylor, what were you think?

733
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,599
Speaker 3: I enjoyed this scene a lot because the differences that

734
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,480
I understood this or took it as with Jake Sully

735
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:36,440
going through this whole initiation, the appreciation he developed, that

736
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,960
respect for this initiation to go in and form that bond,

737
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,840
whereas you have Miles coming in here and just like

738
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,280
a like a human he just shits all over this

739
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,519
ritual and just you know, fuck it, like I'm just

740
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:53,119
gonna go in and do it. And you in terms

741
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,079
of having that mental kind of capacity. I don't. I

742
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:58,760
don't know if that's how it works per se. Again,

743
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,679
I'm not an expert on how craziness works, but I

744
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:04,079
think all you got to do is just seal the

745
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:08,559
bond and just connect your hair piece to them, and

746
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,000
that's it. I don't know if you need to have

747
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,679
a lot of mental will over them. I think all

748
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,400
you got to do is just connect and it's like, okay,

749
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,440
whatever I say goes.

750
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: So when you go back to the first movie, then

751
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:21,679
are you gonna feel like that's an interesting scene? It's like, oh, actually,

752
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,159
this is none of this really mattered. This is all

753
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,239
just kind of extra fluff. I get to this point,

754
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,760
eh whatever, who cares? Well he could have just done

755
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,440
it at any point anyway.

756
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: Oh, he totally could have. Absolutely. I think that's the

757
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:36,119
difference between these scenes is just his appreciation and respect

758
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:39,679
for this ritual and this process, whereas with Miles here

759
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,320
and like other people like yeah, you can just go

760
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,519
off and go and do it, which you you know

761
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:47,920
you can, but it's you're just your you're a disgrace,

762
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:51,079
like you're just you know, you you're grand theft autoing

763
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:55,679
it like you have no like status or anything like that.

764
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,320
You're just using the land and using these things for

765
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,239
your own personal gain, whereas with Jake Sully it's so

766
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,239
much more than that. And so that's the difference here,

767
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,559
and I think that's one of the things that I

768
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:06,800
liked In this parallel kind of thing where you have

769
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,800
Miles and Jake going through the same kind of journey,

770
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,800
Miles is showing more of like the side of what

771
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,800
if Jake didn't latch on and Jake was just abusing

772
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,079
it and just going through it instead of transitioning, And

773
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,840
that's the difference between Miles and Jake and this where

774
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,719
Miles was showing slight turning points, it wasn't enough that,

775
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,320
you know, he didn't go full Jake, you know, so

776
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:31,880
two sides of the coin.

777
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: I think my big biggest issue with it is like, Okay, yeah,

778
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,199
it's one thing like Miles going up there and doing it,

779
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,039
but then like the next scene just his whole squad

780
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,480
like has them, and it's I don't know, I feel

781
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:45,639
like for me, I would have just been able to

782
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:47,800
digest it a little bit easier if they like incorporate

783
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,840
some sort of human tech on like this is how

784
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,599
they're actually domesticating these things, like I don't know, they

785
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,760
put some sort of brain emitter thing on there and

786
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,719
then like it just it just makes it easier to

787
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,400
get that connection. I think that would have just been

788
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,960
easier for me to just because Okay, like Miles, he

789
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:05,360
says the line like we're going full Navi here. You know,

790
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,440
we're gonna be speaking the language, We're gonna be riding

791
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,920
the animal, all these things. But it's like, okay, well,

792
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,320
I had like basically Get three. I don't know how long.

793
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,079
I think it was two hours and forty five minute,

794
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:19,119
but like a full journey with Jake Sully on by

795
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:21,440
the end of that movie, I believe that he like

796
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:23,599
he is really one with with the planet, and I

797
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:25,480
just feel like they really try to speed that with

798
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,719
this new Spec Ops force and like I don't know,

799
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,880
like I like on one side the coin though, like

800
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,960
I do like that whole idea of like like from

801
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
the first movie with Jake Sully was like the first

802
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,639
Warrior Avatar, and now we just have this whole crew

803
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,519
of like Specops and like from the get go, like

804
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,559
like they are a military force and they like they

805
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:46,800
all work together. I think it's a really fun concept.

806
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:49,320
It's just I don't know, I think the delivery of

807
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,960
it was was pretty messy there. So then like that

808
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,800
that's where like in hindsight for this movie in general,

809
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,320
like I really liked it for the most part, but

810
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,519
there's just things that kind of bring it down, which

811
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:01,920
will probably like if I want to rewatch it, it's

812
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,440
just like, oh, yeah, that was such a great moment,

813
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,880
but like, fuck, I'm gonna have to get through this

814
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,679
like situation. It's just it really sucks for someone like

815
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,119
me who really likes this world. It's just like, oh,

816
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,800
it's like that's forever gonna be something that I have

817
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,760
to get through to the experiences again. And I mean

818
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,239
I haven't even mentioned all my grimes yet, but well.

819
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,639
Speaker 2: I think it kind of makes the that particular creature,

820
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,119
which to my perspective is like one of the you know,

821
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:30,760
apex predators are smartest creatures, just seem like kind of

822
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,239
a lifeless bot, right, Like you can just stick your

823
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,840
thing in it and control it like all will and

824
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,960
ilian and literally less than a minute if you're strong enough,

825
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,199
I guess. Whereas you know, like they I don't know,

826
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,119
they haven't done a brain scan of that creature. So

827
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:46,920
I don't know, but when they're talking about doing the

828
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,719
brain scan on the whale creature, how like how how

829
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,639
smart they are, how they they have mathematics and philosophy

830
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,719
and these deep languages and this massive emotional center in

831
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,639
their brain. I would think that that would be the

832
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:03,360
case for or other like strong creatures on this planet,

833
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,320
that they aren't just like Dufest robots. And so you know,

834
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,920
part of it too, is like if they're just taking

835
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,599
all those dragon creatures and just going around killing nave

836
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,079
who are people that these creatures have a great affection for,

837
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,599
like that, that seems like, okay, well, I guess this

838
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:20,920
creature isn't so special. Then it's just like a rock

839
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,360
essentially that you can take over and do whatever you

840
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,320
want with. So I think that that maybe takes a

841
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,719
bit away from it for me too, And what's to

842
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,280
stop them from doing this with like any other creature

843
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,800
At this point, maybe the whales are truly the only

844
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,719
creature that are that smart on this planet, and the

845
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,639
rest of them are all just a bunch of Dodo

846
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:39,360
birds I guess, a bunch of rocks.

847
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,039
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

848
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: Speaking of rocks, I don't know if you guys were

849
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,000
I was confused by this for a good couple scenes.

850
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:49,519
One of those like goons on the boat is like

851
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:53,679
a huge dude who's bald and has rock like tattoos.

852
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,679
I'm probably the Rock Johnson here. There was a couple

853
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:58,960
scenes there was like, is Dwinge the Rock Johnson in

854
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,079
here into some random this is very very strange choice

855
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:04,599
he's talking about. Don't know if he ever actually has

856
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,280
like a line of dialogue. But did you guys notice

857
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,719
that guy too or I think he had a couple

858
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,119
of grunts A couple yeah, yeah, like just those have.

859
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:16,199
Speaker 1: No Yeah, I noticed that guy too, and he was,

860
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,400
I don't know, really noticeable. I think probably because of

861
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,519
all of his ink. He just stood out more so

862
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,440
than the other henchmen on the on the ship. There

863
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:27,119
just a couple of things I wanted to fire up

864
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,440
before I forgot about them. Was I mentioned like the

865
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,840
the satire elements that I got from Ranger Rick, but

866
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,840
also just with like the humans getting back, like that

867
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,000
first movie really hit on the like hit the nail

868
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
on the head that Okay, humans are bad and we're

869
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,159
the enemy. And by the other movie, we are the

870
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:44,519
sky people, we are the invaders, we are the aliens,

871
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,599
so they sent us away. But like when they first arrived,

872
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,400
and this is when I was already just kind of

873
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,559
uh oh, what's going on here? I swear they had

874
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,719
like basically like imperial music and like when the when

875
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,880
like the ships come down and like the fire just

876
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,360
like knights the forest. The gates open and there's just

877
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,320
these like menacing robots and they have like the doom music.

878
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,440
And I swear like every time they showed like the humans,

879
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,000
it had this like doom doom, like it was just

880
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,239
really like okay, like we okay, I get it. We

881
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,880
are evil. We are the full bad guys. Here.

882
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: If you hear a snare drum, shit's about to go down.

883
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's where like I don't know, I I

884
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,599
think the first movie like say what you will, but

885
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,440
like the motivations for the humans, but like they at

886
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,719
least make an effort of like balancing the lines of

887
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,760
like what like I don't know, like they're not fully evil.

888
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,719
Maybe it's with that Parker Selfridge guy of like give

889
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,000
him an hour, like like there's a little bit more morality,

890
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:38,519
I think to some of these bad characters air quotes,

891
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,079
but this one, it's just they they completely like throw

892
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,079
that out the window like they didn't They really didn't care.

893
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,719
It was just no, we're we're gonna we're gonna have

894
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,440
an extended whiling scene that we're just gonna like like

895
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:51,760
murder this this mother mother in her calf to get

896
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,440
to the brain juice and just toss the bot like

897
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,960
it was just really shoving it down our throats that

898
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:58,440
like we are evil and there's not really any redeeming

899
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,679
uh traits. But yeah, I just wanted to fire that

900
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,559
off with just like the over the top like stress

901
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:07,280
singe that like these are the bad guys, these are evil.

902
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,679
Speaker 3: Characters, and well I would go only so far with

903
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,039
that because there it's the military intervention. Like when they

904
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:17,360
made their first initial like landing on the planet, it

905
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,840
was definitely militarized and in the sense like, okay, our

906
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,159
last time we were kicked off this planet, we're not

907
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,400
taking any chances. We're gonna fall on military land here,

908
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,719
set up our compound. That set But when you look

909
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,800
into the whaling operations, what they did was frowned upon.

910
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,960
But then they had that important sequence there too and

911
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:39,079
diving into just like hey, we don't wail these things

912
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,320
in their waters here, like we go and do it

913
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,159
in certain other areas, so we don't disrespect the people

914
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,639
because even said those guys like if we kill one,

915
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,039
it's like killing their family member. We can't do that.

916
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,639
And then it was overridden by military acts. So it's

917
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,599
always the military sides that are just pushing the boundary

918
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,559
of this little bit. So there are still there is

919
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:01,039
still that kind of wall of like aggression there. And

920
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:04,199
even the the one scientist like is the line written,

921
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,480
well no, but he's like, why do you think I drank? Like,

922
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,039
so he doesn't feel good about what he's doing, So.

923
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: He didn't seem to distraught when they were murdering the

924
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,199
way he's probably wasted, just not this was what I drink. Yeah,

925
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:23,400
he's just always hammered. I can't deal with this. Yeah,

926
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,679
I don't know where you guys want to, you know,

927
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,920
talk about Spider, our little uh Tarzan boy, since we're

928
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,079
talking about Miles, this is the other Miles. I think

929
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,960
later it was insinuated that was his name, at least

930
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,800
from a Korrius calling him that. Yeah, so there is

931
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:41,559
this was another decision where I was just like, man like,

932
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,840
they made a decision and I'm not happy with it.

933
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,280
I I would have been one hundred percent fine if

934
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,840
we did not get this like feral human nav character.

935
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,840
I don't know, it's it's something new, I guess. So

936
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,480
they thought it was necessary in one way, shape or form.

937
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:58,079
I didn't think it was at all. I really didn't

938
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:03,039
like this character's dynamic, like with like I guess it's fun,

939
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,000
like you know this like outsider, who's who's just really

940
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,920
friendly like with the kids or whatnot. But I think

941
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,000
they were like incorporating him into the story a little

942
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,000
bit more than what I wanted, and by a little

943
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:17,840
bit more, like way more. But yeah, I don't know,

944
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,280
you guys, go off, Taylor, go ahead. You loved him.

945
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about

946
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,400
him seeing him in the trailer, because I didn't know

947
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,159
how he's gonna be written into the story. I didn't

948
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:29,440
know how any of the humans are going to be

949
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,719
written into the story. But again, it's just one of

950
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,920
those things that they just snuck in there, like bring

951
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,039
Miles back from the dead, just his origin and all

952
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,760
that kind of jazz And did I need it? No,

953
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,760
But I did find him kind of amusing and I

954
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,480
liked his his ties to Miles and kind of being

955
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,519
that grounding force and where you can see again this

956
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,159
is this tension between Miles and just how he's kind

957
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:03,519
of not turning into like Jake Sully, like the trees,

958
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:06,280
the water, all this stuff, but like he's he has

959
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,599
these moments to him and it's mostly just facial expressions

960
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:12,920
and that sort of thing, which I like to read into.

961
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,440
But I think that Spider definitely was interesting on that regard.

962
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:22,920
But I liked how Spider was this other factor like

963
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,280
with the Tiri, and the Tiri just didn't like him,

964
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,119
thought he should be with his own people. But then

965
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:30,360
you have Kitty and Spider having this really really strong friendship,

966
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,840
which I really really liked. I like seeing the dynamic

967
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,880
and the interaction between him and just the other Navvy people.

968
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,960
I thought that was really entertaining. And I think that

969
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:45,280
he serves as or tries to serve as that gateway,

970
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,760
so the lack of humans in general on the other side,

971
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,079
like we get him as kind of that gateway for

972
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,159
people to kind of step into his shoes and just

973
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,679
kind of experience Pandora through what he's experiencing and what

974
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,960
he's seeing for the first time too. He's supposed to

975
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,960
be our human on the inside that's just kind of

976
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,840
not happy with how things are going and.

977
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: Just seeings half human half human.

978
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaks great English though.

979
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:12,079
Speaker 1: Well.

980
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:14,639
Speaker 3: Actually that was one thing that I appreciated, because when

981
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,280
they're talking in their native tongue and then they just

982
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,039
kind of transition and they use how like the exposition

983
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:23,000
to say like, oh now it's just like like English

984
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:26,079
to me, and then it just morphs into English right

985
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,000
off the bat. I like that, of course, with the

986
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,360
odd little bits of just like subtitles popping up later on,

987
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,079
which is totally fine, but I like that this whole

988
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,679
movie they were probably talking in Navvi language.

989
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a good explanation to do that.

990
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,599
Speaker 3: I liked that.

991
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: I think I've like seen that in a video game

992
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,840
before too, where it like starts in like the native

993
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,000
language and then for the stupid English player that they

994
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,679
translated it for me. But yeah, I thought that was

995
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:55,000
a detail to do there, Dynt Spider.

996
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,679
Speaker 2: I really don't have much to say. I just think

997
00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:59,559
the acting was atrocious, so it was hard for me

998
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:01,800
to feel connected to the character. And he is in

999
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,000
it so fucking much. Oh yeah, Scott, he had so

1000
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:08,280
much screen time. I think for me the only really

1001
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,880
compelling scene because I didn't really care about his friendship

1002
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,159
with Kirie. I just whatever didn't really do anything for me.

1003
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,760
The one part I did like was that scene with

1004
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,360
nateriie if I said her name right, I just I liked.

1005
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,840
I think that was a cool element from her character

1006
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,760
that she was truly willing to kill this kid for

1007
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,840
her kid. Like I thought that was an interesting character moment. Unfortunately,

1008
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,159
I think that's the only character moment the whole movie

1009
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,960
I can look at for her that's interesting. Like, they

1010
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,119
gave her nothing. It is too bad if you were

1011
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:40,960
a big a fan of that character in the first movie.

1012
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,639
She does not get to do anything, which is which

1013
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,119
is too bad. But I think that was maybe the

1014
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,119
one scene that I thought was good from her, and

1015
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:50,920
it's because of Spider. I guess in some way it

1016
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,800
gets to be part of it once again. It's not

1017
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,000
because there was some well written connection between the characters.

1018
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,519
It's just because they threw that tag going there that

1019
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:02,840
this is that guy's son, so instantly he's gonna care

1020
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,199
for him in some extent. So I think that might

1021
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,079
be all I have to say on Spider for all

1022
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,119
the screen time he has. It's all I got, for.

1023
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: All the screen time he has. Well, I'll say a

1024
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,599
couple more things after this next ad break. All right, Yeah, my,

1025
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,320
there was a couple of scenes in here when it

1026
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,119
went on. I think it went on a little bit

1027
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,039
too long or maybe just shouldn't have happened at all.

1028
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,599
And the particular scene for me was when it's I

1029
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:31,280
hope I get these names right. So it's it's no,

1030
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:37,320
not in Tiri Kiri Spider, and who's young it's Kitty, well,

1031
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,000
k It's it's k I r I k I r I.

1032
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: It definitely I thought it was for the first half

1033
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,800
an hour, but they definitely pronounce it with a bit

1034
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,519
of an accent on there.

1035
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: Something like that. And then yeah, the younger son they

1036
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,599
like go into like the human pod area, and then

1037
00:48:56,639 --> 00:49:00,559
you have like young Sigourney Weaver go on and be

1038
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:03,199
like mom, and there's just just like I don't know

1039
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:04,639
if it was the same for you guys. I found

1040
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,559
it very cringey dialogue. In this like entire sequence, you

1041
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:11,079
have like Spider like grabbing Kirie's tail. It's like and

1042
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,039
then they're just like kind of like like shoving each

1043
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,519
other and it was just I don't know that, like

1044
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,599
maybe it's just it went on too long or I,

1045
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,280
like I said, I think the scene just shouldn't have

1046
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,519
happened at all. Like again, maybe they're just trying to

1047
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,159
be like, oh, they're really close like the Bonds here,

1048
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:27,239
like they're really like a family. I think I got

1049
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,360
that in like the quick span of like when they

1050
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,199
were kids. So like, I just this was such an

1051
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,880
unnecessary scene for me, and it was just it was

1052
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,400
weird to watch, Like I feel like most like awkward

1053
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,239
scenes like that I'm fine with, but like I actually

1054
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,119
was like cringing in my chair. And there was a

1055
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,679
couple other moments like that too where it's just like

1056
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,960
the dialogue was just I found to be really cringing.

1057
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,719
It was mostly just in the early stages of the film. Again,

1058
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,639
that was like my lowest part of it. But yeah,

1059
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,960
I really didn't like the usage of Spider. It just

1060
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:00,559
it seems so I don't know, like like I said earlier,

1061
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:03,800
like I guess I understand to incorporate him to just

1062
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,559
have this dynamic with Korich and like I guess the

1063
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,719
tie that doesn't make him just the exact same character

1064
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,840
that he was in the first film, But I don't know,

1065
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,679
I just it just it was a decision I wish

1066
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,519
we didn't have in there. Halfway through the film, I

1067
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:20,719
thought maybe they were like hinting that he's actually like

1068
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,960
siding with Korich and like might have like a twist there,

1069
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,639
which I thought would have been interesting, But they didn't

1070
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,960
really do that at all. Maybe they're planting seeds for

1071
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:29,679
something in the future.

1072
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:32,599
Speaker 2: I guess that would be the one element.

1073
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,159
Speaker 1: Not that he obviously it doesn't align with him her

1074
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:37,599
pieces out right away. It was mostly just like when

1075
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,840
they're when he's initially showing like the new Specop crew,

1076
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,000
like what they're doing, and then it just seemed like

1077
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,000
they're bonding a bit and it's like, okay, like this,

1078
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:47,599
I kind of see what's going on here. But he

1079
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,199
quickly shifted once he saw Chorush just burning villages and

1080
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,360
all that stuff, which is pretty dark. So good on him,

1081
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,880
I guess, But yeah, I'm unfortunately I really didn't like

1082
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:57,400
that character.

1083
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:02,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think generally, I don't know. I don't I'm

1084
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,960
curious what the next Avatar movie will be, because in

1085
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,280
a big way, this did feel like they were trying

1086
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,280
to make this the bridge movie such that the third

1087
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,559
one will not really like Jake Sully will be in it,

1088
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,519
but he won't be protagonist. It's almost hard to call

1089
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:20,400
him a protagonist in this movie just in terms of

1090
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,159
what's going on, because they're really trying to like pass

1091
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,079
the mantle off to particularly the youngest son and Kiri.

1092
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:29,639
I guess I would say is maybe the second that

1093
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:31,920
they're trying to set up in a big way. So

1094
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,440
I am really curious if that's where the third one

1095
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,760
will be. Is that it's like their story and Jake's

1096
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,079
kind of like a additive part to it. That might

1097
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:42,679
be a bit strange unless they write him off in

1098
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,559
some interesting way, because I don't really feel like he

1099
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:47,039
does much in this And we'll talk about his motivations

1100
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:48,800
in a minute, because oh my god, that's something else.

1101
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,360
But I think, you know, because of that, they spend

1102
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,840
so much time in this movie, not just with because

1103
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,639
Spider was not really with the rest of the kids

1104
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:57,960
for most of it, just in the opening sequence and

1105
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,760
then kind of the end when they save him and stuff.

1106
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,800
But I don't know, the teenage drama writing in general

1107
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,280
just was not working for me, where there's like I

1108
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,199
don't they The kids are kind of forced to work

1109
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,079
together from their parents, you know, to show each other

1110
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:14,920
the ropes kind of thing, and then they're like calling

1111
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,079
her a freak at one point, and you get just

1112
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,000
a very school yard like under the basketball hoop kind

1113
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:21,639
of thing where the brother comes up and he's like,

1114
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,599
would you say to my sister and they're doing this fight,

1115
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,000
and then you get like, of course that super cringey

1116
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,000
the line later where the dad's like, you know, you know,

1117
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:31,920
what do the other guys look like? Or whatever it

1118
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,599
is you should have seen the other guys like Jesus Christ,

1119
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:36,760
Like is that really the level of writing we're doing here?

1120
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,400
So I don't know, they really rubbed me the wrong way,

1121
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,360
and I just I didn't really find any of that

1122
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,000
teenage drama element of the movie, which is a ton

1123
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,679
of the writing here to be compelling in any way.

1124
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,639
So that's kind of me banging the same drum over

1125
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,840
and over again. Is like every decision not working for me,

1126
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,880
writing bad, but there you go.

1127
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: For me. I felt like I kind of grew to

1128
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,800
actually like the family dynamic of whether they're teasing each

1129
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,840
other and like, like you meant like even just like

1130
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:08,440
I think I started enjoying some of that like school

1131
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,400
yardy thing of like it doesn't I think what they're

1132
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,360
trying to I don't know convey across ret least the

1133
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,800
way I took it. It is just like it doesn't

1134
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,599
matter if they're like this different race altogether, like the

1135
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:21,159
family kind of always like family will behave like how

1136
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:25,239
they would normally, like like just classic sibling rivalry, rivalry

1137
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,000
or maybe just I don't know, really looking up for

1138
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,239
your family. And that's something that I kind of grew

1139
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,880
into because in the early stages of the film, just

1140
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,880
like the the Solis and like their family dynamic, I

1141
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,559
just really didn't love it because I mean, I was

1142
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,199
gonna bring u up when we got to Jake Soley,

1143
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:42,960
so maybe I'll say most of it fro when we

1144
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,760
get there. But it's just it seemed like they were

1145
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,719
so different than the way of life that the Nave had.

1146
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,480
It was like this very like earth like human tradition,

1147
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:55,039
where like you have like Soley doing like the whole

1148
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:57,360
military thing, and he's got all these call signs and everything,

1149
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,079
and everyone's just just like it just it seems so

1150
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,039
separate from from the way that the Nove we're living

1151
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:04,719
in the first movie, and I understand there's been a

1152
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,840
lot of time Jake's been the leader, so he's obviously

1153
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,519
been changing things, But just in the early sequence of

1154
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,800
like the Sully's interact with each other, it just seemed

1155
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:16,239
a very human, uh like filter over over what from

1156
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,760
what I got from the first movie, where like the

1157
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,119
nove really have their whole way of living and just

1158
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:24,559
just interacting with things. And I think coming into this

1159
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:26,400
one before I saw it with the new characters in

1160
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,440
the family dynamic, I was excited to see just how

1161
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:32,039
Jake Sully like has really evolved into just a full

1162
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:36,039
on Nove And I think it's just unfortunately, I think

1163
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:37,800
they kind of took a step back from where he

1164
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,159
was fully immersed in there. But getting back to my

1165
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:44,840
initial points, like I feel like just it's mostly like

1166
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,760
the kids. I feel like I grew to like them

1167
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,840
more and uh just just them like looking out for

1168
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,920
each other. I think I just I grew to like

1169
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,360
that as the film went on. But you know, fair

1170
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,079
assessment from Dyland, what do you think.

1171
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,159
Speaker 3: There the struggle amongst each other and just kind of

1172
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,880
like having this dynamic. It's something we've seen before where

1173
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,880
the one child is kind of gonna go off on

1174
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,679
their own, the keep making bad decisions and the older

1175
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:11,760
one has to bail them out and paid with it

1176
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,880
with his paid for it with the life his life.

1177
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:20,480
But the dynamic with the other kids from the other clan,

1178
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,840
I definitely didn't mind that because it was just the

1179
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,559
five fingers thing, like they're just being like, you know,

1180
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:31,400
you're you're an alien, like they're they were being racist

1181
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:33,920
pretty much like they're just like you're a freak Parker,

1182
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:40,159
so all that kind of stuff, And yeah, I didn't

1183
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:42,679
mind it. I thought it was totally fine, and like

1184
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:45,760
you said, Kirkland, just having the family kind of together.

1185
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,599
When the brother came in and just kind of like

1186
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:50,199
put his foot down to try and stop it, and

1187
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,840
then they were just kind of like all like they

1188
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,280
start fighting and just Ki Ki started to laugh. I

1189
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,119
started to laugh too, because it was it was just

1190
00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:01,519
like it's it was funny. And I'm not laughing at

1191
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:03,400
the scene because it was like I thought it was

1192
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,000
like stupid or anything like that, but just leaving because

1193
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,960
I thought it was humor. They're just the kids like

1194
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,760
roughhousing and stuff like that, just getting into a brawl

1195
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:14,400
and then the dad saying like okay, go and apologize,

1196
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,079
and him going to apologize. I like that sequence of

1197
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:19,760
them like not knowing what was going to happen, like

1198
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,400
coming out of this because I thought, Okay, they are

1199
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,199
really bonding here, but then that kind of transitioning and

1200
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:29,039
then having the real environmental threat immediately impeded into this.

1201
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:31,599
I really liked how that kind of transition to and

1202
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,480
I it worked for me.

1203
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, right on Jake Sully. You guys want to talk

1204
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:39,599
about him.

1205
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Jake Sully.

1206
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I got so protagonist protagonists.

1207
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean he's still kind of is b

1208
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:50,559
he like probably has less screen time some of these

1209
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:51,239
other characters.

1210
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:51,559
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1211
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: I'd have to I'd like to see the calculations on

1212
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,320
that to be curious. But I'm really curious what you

1213
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,119
guys thought of this, because to me, this was maybe

1214
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:01,239
one of the most puzzling things. I've already been puzzled

1215
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:02,800
by many of the decisions in here.

1216
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 3: But.

1217
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,039
Speaker 2: For me, like, Okay, they we're establishing that, Like like

1218
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,920
Taylor's point, they've been here here, he's been part of

1219
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,039
this crew. They've been building this family for like fifteen

1220
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,280
years maybe give or take. So obviously he's like built

1221
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,079
like a pretty strong bond with these people that he

1222
00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:21,760
already had a strong bond by the end of the

1223
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,519
first one I would say, uh. And then when once

1224
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:28,400
again we do the one year's skip where the you know,

1225
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,039
humans have kind of taken over and all that stuff.

1226
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,599
So to me, it was a very strange decision from

1227
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,679
Jake to abandon his people because he's the strongest warrior, right,

1228
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:45,039
So the strongest warrior is gonna leave to I guess

1229
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:48,000
just let his people die because obviously they they know

1230
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:51,079
that they want him, but also the people want to

1231
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,400
just kill all the novee, right, so he's just leaving

1232
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,480
them defense. This is the way I took it, So

1233
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,840
if you guys have a countertake, please bring it on

1234
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,760
at some point. So that that in itself was but

1235
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,239
then the fact that, like, how dumb is Jake that

1236
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,159
he's gonna go to this other civilization of people knowing

1237
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:09,320
that the people, the humans are never gonna stop hunting him,

1238
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,159
so someday he will get found out and how many

1239
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:14,039
people are gonna die along the way, or you're gonna

1240
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:17,360
fuck over this society of people who did nothing wrong,

1241
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,000
just none of that really made any sense to me,

1242
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,519
Like he's just a he does not give a shit

1243
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:27,000
about anyone else. He should have sacrificed himself up or

1244
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,920
try to defend his people or done anything else other

1245
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,440
than what he did. And I mean, he is kind

1246
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,719
of a dope in the first one a lot of

1247
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:36,239
the times in terms of just his decision making and

1248
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:38,719
stuff like that. So maybe he's just not smart and

1249
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,079
that's what it is. But now I'm curious what you

1250
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:43,719
guys think about on that if I'm missing like an

1251
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,199
element of his decision making.

1252
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,039
Speaker 3: I took it as it was very much the human

1253
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,039
side of him making that decision, and him being who

1254
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:57,480
he was, would just override the tie. And how she

1255
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,639
kind of saw it, where you protect the people, and

1256
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:02,840
that's the whole baseline for the Navi people. You were

1257
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,719
one of the people. You protect the people. The people

1258
00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:07,320
are everything human side, And I think this is a

1259
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:12,599
very well represented thing and even society like people in

1260
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:15,119
general are going to protect their family first and say

1261
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:17,840
fuck all the other people. I'm not saying Jason's saying

1262
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,199
fuck all these other film Tikaya people or anything in

1263
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:23,920
the movie. But his concern was his family first, which

1264
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,119
I associate with being a very human trait as opposed

1265
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:29,719
to and Navi upbringing. So when he just kind of

1266
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,000
bowed out, you're right, like he's putting other people in

1267
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:35,599
danger by hiding because eventually he would be found out

1268
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:40,039
no matter what. But I guess to him it was

1269
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,360
he thought it was far enough. But I guess he

1270
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,440
says it too, like I don't have a plan. That's

1271
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,519
literally his words, like I don't have a plan right now.

1272
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:49,440
All he could do and think it was just to

1273
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,480
get his family out of there where they could sneak

1274
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:55,119
in under the radar, which was definitely not okay.

1275
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, isn't it like because he has that

1276
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:02,159
kind of mote, that character arc you could say at

1277
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:04,880
the end where he does change and he wants to

1278
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,360
fight at the end of the thing, and that like

1279
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,840
fades to credits, but like that only happens after he

1280
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,960
has already failed at like defending his family. So it's

1281
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,880
just like all any motivation is just like such a

1282
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:19,639
selfish decision on his part and that he does not

1283
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:21,880
give a shit about anyone else, But as soon as

1284
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,320
one of his own is you know the cost, and

1285
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,920
then he's finally going to change, so it's like, I'm

1286
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:30,800
really not really invested in this guy. He's kind of

1287
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:31,480
a piece of shit.

1288
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I this was still in that first act period

1289
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,920
where I was just kind of not vibing with what

1290
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,000
was going on, and it just seemed like a very

1291
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,360
like poor, poorly written character decision where I feel like,

1292
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,920
from Jake Sully at the end of the first movie,

1293
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:53,960
it just seems so not right that he would just

1294
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,599
be making this decision. Now. I know there is like

1295
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,679
you know, a decent amount of time between the first

1296
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:02,639
and second movie here, but like I feel like like

1297
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:06,079
the reason why he is fighting at the end is

1298
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,719
because he's like, well, they're like they're not gonna they're

1299
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:11,400
not gonna not come for us, Like we essentially like

1300
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:13,480
have to push back with all of our force here.

1301
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,000
And it seems like they have like some decent military

1302
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:18,119
tactics at least from what was showcasing that.

1303
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,599
Speaker 2: In the fifteen years they might maybe think of a

1304
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:24,360
contingency plan if someone comes down for other future invaders.

1305
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:26,679
Speaker 1: And like they know their environment, like like I feel

1306
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:28,880
like they really I don't know, like like could have

1307
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,039
had a good chance there. So for me, I just

1308
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,039
took it like a like a lazy way to get

1309
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:37,440
our characters in a new environment into the way of water.

1310
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,960
And it's it secks for that because like this was

1311
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,159
something I was looking to earlier, where like I did

1312
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,159
like a lot of stuff in this in this movie,

1313
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,360
but now looking back on it's like, oh, I gotta

1314
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,400
kind of get through the seaweed to get to the oasis.

1315
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,880
Uh you know you can maybe say so. For me,

1316
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,920
I just felt like it was it was really just

1317
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,360
a poor decision, like writing wise, it's to just have

1318
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,320
the character be like, Okay, you know, we're just gonna

1319
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,480
fuck off here. And like for me in In in

1320
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,960
the Seed, as I'm watching, it's just like, hey, well,

1321
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:10,199
why did like how would the humans know that he's

1322
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,280
just gone? Like why would like why would Koriesh not

1323
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,840
just do to what he did to the like island

1324
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,519
people when he was just like burning villages or whatnot?

1325
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:20,199
Like who's to say that he wouldn't have just done

1326
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:23,400
that to the Omata Kai people, you know, like like

1327
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:24,119
like well.

1328
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: They weren't able to track them, right, and once they

1329
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:28,159
learned that the raids stopped, then they thought, okay, like

1330
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:32,000
Sully's gone into hiding. Yeah, where he's gone like a stretch,

1331
01:02:33,519 --> 01:02:33,880
Like what.

1332
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 2: Do you guys think the military did to his previous people?

1333
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,400
Because at some point randomly, like the two scientists just

1334
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,000
like show up in the new town to like save

1335
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,320
uh what's their face? After they get I forget who

1336
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,119
got hurt? Someone got hurt and then they bringing the

1337
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:52,480
two scientists character whatever you guys are calling ye, So

1338
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,320
I don't know, you would think the military would like

1339
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,320
be keeping an eye on these people from the previous

1340
01:02:58,599 --> 01:02:59,880
clan and if they were to come.

1341
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:03,119
Speaker 1: This is what happened, right, that's all until they found him,

1342
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:05,639
because like the helicopter.

1343
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: I thought they were just searching islands randomly, but.

1344
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:11,199
Speaker 3: Well they were searching. No, they weren't searching the islands

1345
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:16,800
yet because the there's the gravitational flocks and the floating mountains,

1346
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,840
the Halloween Mountains, so they can't get a lock on.

1347
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,719
So when this helicopter comes and like leaves the flocks

1348
01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:24,239
and then comes into their radar, it's like, oh, we

1349
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,840
have a rogue copter in this general area. Let's go

1350
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,679
check it out. And that's when they start exploring.

1351
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,719
Speaker 1: That's what I was like, of course, fucking norm just

1352
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:34,280
just ruining the whole thing, and like they would have

1353
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,119
been fine if they didn't have to call them even

1354
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:36,840
backups there.

1355
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:39,559
Speaker 2: It's weird. I mean, I guess it's not that far away,

1356
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,639
but they feel like they tried to make it seem like, oh,

1357
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:43,880
it's such a big journey we had to go on

1358
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,480
to escape, but it's like, Okay, I guess they're really

1359
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,199
not that far away. Probably could have done a better

1360
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,840
job of hiding or something like that.

1361
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, So unfortunately, I just I have a lot of grimes,

1362
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:59,360
which is just basically what Dylan was highlighting there. How

1363
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,400
we just I don't know, like Jake silly for me,

1364
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,639
he just seems so different from what the first one is.

1365
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:07,119
And I didn't like the family motivation. I get it,

1366
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,440
but I feel like he's been the leader of these

1367
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,199
people for fifteen years, Like it just doesn't make sense

1368
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:14,679
character wise for why he would have made that decision,

1369
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:17,079
Like it's really just to get us to point B.

1370
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,559
And I really liked Point B. That was really fun.

1371
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:22,920
But this is where I felt like maybe the Way

1372
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,000
a Water should have been like the third movie and

1373
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:27,800
like the second movie, maybe it would have been, you know,

1374
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,360
to repeat what the first one was of, like having

1375
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,199
the Humans back and like but again, like maybe we

1376
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:34,800
still could have saved the humans for the third movie

1377
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,000
and just had like a domestic issue going on, like

1378
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:44,280
like we saw like Naitiri and others like fucking up

1379
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,440
the specops, Like like we saw Avatar vi Avatar on screen,

1380
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:49,960
Like why couldn't you just had that for like a

1381
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,800
full second movie. You don't need Spider Boy in this,

1382
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,480
you don't need Korich back I And like maybe it

1383
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:57,280
just would have been a really seamless transition to get

1384
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,599
our characters to the way of water, like like why

1385
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:02,400
are they It's just to get all of that out

1386
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,199
in Like I don't know it. It probably was like

1387
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:07,519
an hour or so when they got going, but for me,

1388
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:10,239
it just felt so short, And I think that's I

1389
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,199
think that's a big, big issue for me, like with

1390
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:15,679
this with this film, I think because I fucking love

1391
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,199
the forest land and I don't feel satisfied that we

1392
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,440
like I don't feel satisfied with the reason why we

1393
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:22,239
left that. I think that's the main thing. I'm trying

1394
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:25,079
to trying to stay say here and I like both,

1395
01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:28,000
but I just feel like maybe I needed more. I

1396
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,880
don't know, a better caravan, caravan, ride to uh.

1397
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: To the Way of Water I hear, especially when they

1398
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,840
don't even like tie up this side of the story too.

1399
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:41,039
It just feels like a part one of we know

1400
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:44,039
there's whatever, five six of them two, Like, I didn't

1401
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:46,840
even resolve this issue. They're just like, Okay, I guess

1402
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,400
we'll push it to the third movie. So you're still

1403
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,239
gonna get that. They're still gonna have the human issue

1404
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,599
in the third moment. Then they also tucked it in here, yeah.

1405
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,679
Speaker 1: Anything to saying one day spewing.

1406
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:04,079
Speaker 3: No, I I think I already kind of touched upon it,

1407
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:05,400
just the transition.

1408
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, all right, Where do you guys want

1409
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:11,079
to go next?

1410
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: I'll bring up I'll bring up a maybe one more

1411
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,599
negative thing, and then maybe I'll have positive things to

1412
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:18,960
say after that. Which is another thing that I feel

1413
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,840
like they just kind of rehashed and didn't really develop

1414
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,159
any further was the element of the first movie where everything,

1415
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:27,639
everything is connected in the forest in this tree of

1416
01:06:27,639 --> 01:06:29,559
life whatever I don't remember the names of anything, sorry

1417
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:31,440
once again, And I feel like they just kind of

1418
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,960
did that again here where the water is with us

1419
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,880
all and it connects us all and it's around us,

1420
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,960
and it's it's in us. But like, I don't like,

1421
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:41,440
what was the evolution of that thought. I guess maybe

1422
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,679
they're trying to just say, like, oh, to this group

1423
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:47,480
of nave, it's the forest, even though it's the whole planet.

1424
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,119
It's kind of unclear. But then to these people it's

1425
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:54,320
the it's the water. But there wasn't any like nuance

1426
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,400
or differentiation, Like it just felt like the kind of

1427
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,519
exact same thing. And then they replaced the world tree

1428
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,239
with the jellyfish looking thing, and that's supposed to be

1429
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:04,920
kind of the equivalent there, and once again you can

1430
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,800
go there to like connect in and all that stuff,

1431
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,679
so that once again weird rehash where it's like you

1432
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,400
just took the template for this first movie, changed the

1433
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,320
trees to H two O, and then you just like

1434
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:19,159
reran it. Like James Cramis is like, you know what,

1435
01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:21,840
this perfect movie, this first movie was perfect. Let me

1436
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,679
just change a couple of details, copy some homework, and

1437
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:28,440
then just let 's fucking redo it. Let's read it

1438
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,599
the exact same thing. That was another element to me

1439
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:33,840
that I do like some elements in the world building.

1440
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,119
I'll bring up some of those soon. Here some actual

1441
01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:38,840
positives that I have, But that was that felt like

1442
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,760
a very weak, thin addition to this one.

1443
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I think you bring up some good points

1444
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,920
there where I again, I think I was just totally

1445
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,800
getting splashed in the face by the by the visual

1446
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,239
effects the three D and I was just totally like, man,

1447
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,719
this is amazing, and like I was totally engulfing there

1448
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,880
that I think I just kind of had those rose

1449
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,519
tinted glasses, one might say, where I just kind of

1450
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:06,119
was looking past that. But that is a good point

1451
01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:09,920
that they didn't really make too many big differences there,

1452
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,360
Like you still have the connect with the with the cord,

1453
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:14,039
which is fine, Like I don't need there to be

1454
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:17,960
a different method, Like they are the same race subspecies

1455
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,119
sort of like evolved differently, but still like all the

1456
01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:24,039
bare necessity thing is there. I like that it is

1457
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:29,079
still like AWA and like like it is this this

1458
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:31,760
similar I or yeah it is it is the same idea,

1459
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,279
just like it through a different lens. But I think

1460
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:36,640
the lens could have been just more different, you know.

1461
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,279
So good point there, because I didn't really like even

1462
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,560
think about that too much going into it. Like I

1463
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,840
do like that they have their own version of like

1464
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,159
the world tree, I think for that, Like, I did

1465
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:50,960
think that was cool, especially again the visuals, like when

1466
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,039
they go actually down to it and just the way

1467
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:56,239
it looks. It looks so sweet, and I'm curious what

1468
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:58,920
other type of world trees are out there. I'm sure

1469
01:08:59,079 --> 01:09:03,039
we'll find out the next movie or two or see

1470
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:05,439
what happens there. But yeah, I think it could have

1471
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:06,520
been more nuanced as well.

1472
01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the you said it, Dylan, there's

1473
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,079
a lot of parallels that were pretty spot on, like

1474
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:18,479
down to the legit like score note, musical note, that

1475
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:24,199
play too. It's just some very reiterated things, but in comparisons,

1476
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:27,079
it's just kind of like changing up the Reskin with water.

1477
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,520
I liked it. I like the aesthetic because it's just

1478
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,039
a little bit of something familiar, a little bit of

1479
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:33,600
something new and just kind of like putting its own

1480
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,119
spin on it. And it just kind of feels interconnected

1481
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:39,239
with the whole planet where you have these different sites

1482
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:43,159
that they referenced in that first movie, and yeah, just

1483
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,039
to yeah see it underwater, very very cool and see

1484
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:47,439
just these are the things that they can kind of

1485
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,520
connect with down there too, which is pretty cool. And

1486
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:54,119
even the way they kind of served up the oldest son,

1487
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,920
because we saw a death scene in the first movie

1488
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,760
where they buried the person in the ground, but in

1489
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,760
this sense, it was very much like the seaweed was

1490
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,079
just sucking him dry, So.

1491
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,560
Speaker 1: It was like in an enemy, right, and then Nemos

1492
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,960
they just grabbed them and went down. Yeah, and again

1493
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,640
like that's something that was kind of cool. It's where

1494
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,640
they have the same idea. All energy is basically recycled,

1495
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:23,000
and this is just a different way to say goodbye.

1496
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: I feel like I got most of my hate and negative.

1497
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,920
I want to hear why you guys love this movie.

1498
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,720
I want to hear why you really enjoyed it.

1499
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: Now.

1500
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: I will sit back and I'll let you guys goalk

1501
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:37,880
for a bit, and I'll try not to cut in

1502
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,239
with why I didn't like to saying that you liked

1503
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:43,039
or something like that. I'll let's get some positivity in here.

1504
01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:44,479
I feel like I'm draggons down a bit.

1505
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: I think I got the vast majority of my salty

1506
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,039
juice out too, Taylor, where do you want to go with?

1507
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 3: I'm spent? I got no positive juice.

1508
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,079
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.

1509
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: I'll go here that so, like I was mentioning, I

1510
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,680
think my favorite part of the entire movie was kind

1511
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,720
of just again seems similar to the first movie, but

1512
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,439
like them just learning the ways of these different nave.

1513
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:13,359
I just I really liked how maybe like this subspecies

1514
01:11:13,359 --> 01:11:16,079
of nave have like just evolved to their environment. Like

1515
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:18,880
they have thicker tails that help them swim, their arms

1516
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,199
are bigger, and like the fins, and like all those details,

1517
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:23,960
like they're a different like skin tone, even all of

1518
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,880
those things that made them like really, I don't know,

1519
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,399
just excel in their environment. I feel like that stuff

1520
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:32,399
I kind of look past in the first movie because

1521
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,840
at that point those were the only Navi I knew of,

1522
01:11:35,079 --> 01:11:37,319
and now like knowing like, no, they're more slender cause

1523
01:11:37,319 --> 01:11:39,199
they're it's kind of like you know how you see

1524
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:41,880
those like lanky monkeys just like like swinging and trees

1525
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,880
and stuff like that. Like they're just so geared to

1526
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,760
their environment, and it would make sense that the slender

1527
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,079
navi you know, are better in the environment. And then

1528
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:50,960
here they're like making fun of their tails. It's like

1529
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,399
you can't swim with this, and like all that stuff.

1530
01:11:54,399 --> 01:11:57,119
For me, I think that was really fun and again

1531
01:11:57,319 --> 01:12:00,520
just like it might be cheap thrills, but just like

1532
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,439
them learning about these these new species and like the

1533
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,319
way that they kind of have to get that bond

1534
01:12:06,399 --> 01:12:10,079
with them, which is pretty similar to what goes on

1535
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:12,800
with the other creatures, but I think more so too.

1536
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,800
I was just absolutely blown away by like the water CGI,

1537
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,119
which fortunately there was a lot of it, And I

1538
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,199
think thank god Spider wasn't in a lot of those

1539
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:24,279
underwater scenes because I think I would have been taken

1540
01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:27,279
out just a little bit from it, because I said,

1541
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:30,279
like the visuals were Prosteller. Maybe any moment that wasn't,

1542
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,399
you know, ten to ten for me was probably when

1543
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:35,119
Spider was on screens because or like any human really

1544
01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:37,159
just just blending in with the CGI just doesn't look

1545
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:40,039
as good as a pure CGI character. But all of

1546
01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:43,079
the water elements, the way that like the bioluminescence was

1547
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:45,560
like glowing off of them, and like all the creatures.

1548
01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:49,079
I was just yeah, that like that for me is

1549
01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:52,760
like basically what's passing this movie is like story wise

1550
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,720
definitely falls short, but just man, the quality of those

1551
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,680
effects and just all the new creatures that like was

1552
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,720
just like so many different underwater mammals is so what

1553
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,920
they are fish? I don't even know. I'm not a

1554
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,359
marine biologist like that one asshole drunk scientist in this movie.

1555
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,479
But I yeah, I was so blown away by all

1556
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,600
the underwater stuff and just when like big storms are

1557
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,520
going on, when we have low ac I think it

1558
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,199
was the younger son's name, like when he goes on

1559
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:25,640
like basically that suicide mission with his air quote friends,

1560
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:28,640
is just like, oh, like I could. I felt like

1561
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,560
I was in a forty movie at points, Like I

1562
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,880
just felt so immersed in this world. And you know,

1563
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,600
James Cameron, you totally you totally pulled it off with

1564
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:37,680
the technology.

1565
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 3: At least for this one fire sprinklers going off and

1566
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:47,800
you're like, oh, it's so immersive. So yeah, the the cgi,

1567
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,840
the effects of everything was just incredible. I could easily

1568
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:56,680
take this world narrated by David Attenborough on like a

1569
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:01,119
special like Planet Earth. Oh yeah, right, totally did. There

1570
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,359
was so much going on and like again back to

1571
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:06,880
my name, free Willy, Well, we got that younger son

1572
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,319
who is just having the whole sequence with this whale creature.

1573
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,159
I was just like over the moon for it, like

1574
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:18,560
we I felt like there were so many scenes spot

1575
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,039
on pulled right out of Free Willie that were just

1576
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:25,800
thrown into this movie. Like I might have to, like

1577
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,880
eventually when this movie comes out and I can get

1578
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,000
like screen record parts, I'm gonna do like side by

1579
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:32,039
sides of Free Willy and just show the world like,

1580
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:34,159
look at this, this is like Free Willy. He must

1581
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:36,239
have watched Free Willie and it's like, I'm gonna put

1582
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:40,279
this fucking whale in my fucking movie. So I loved it.

1583
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,520
Speaker 1: We talk about that.

1584
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he went.

1585
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:47,239
Speaker 2: When he went back to the well on Titanic, He's like,

1586
01:14:47,279 --> 01:14:49,520
I want to do that again too. Yeah, he went

1587
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:50,960
back to Free Willia.

1588
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's there's just it blows my mind that

1589
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,479
there's all this like crazy like CGI creatures. They're able

1590
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,079
to dishow just the world and yeah, when it turns nighttime.

1591
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:04,279
Eclipse was a big thing in this movie, and I

1592
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:07,279
really liked every time it emphasized, Okay, we're going to night,

1593
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:09,680
We're going dark, you know, Bravo six going dark, Like

1594
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,800
it was just it was it was so nice. I

1595
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,159
really really enjoyed the luminescence and the ambiance that was

1596
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:17,119
kind of popping off.

1597
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the highlight creature for me was

1598
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,000
like the backpack oxygen providing creature.

1599
01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: Those were cool. That was kind of interesting. Yeah, there

1600
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,640
was one moment too. I think it's when like the

1601
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,520
kids first jump in the water, like first having their experience,

1602
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,199
and it's like a school of fish going around the

1603
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:39,479
youngest child to forget her name, but they just look

1604
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:40,960
like instead of like you know when you have those

1605
01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:43,399
huge school of fish. There's just like hundreds upon hundreds

1606
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:45,239
of them, but they look like tiny little sea turtles,

1607
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:47,760
they like extra fins. And again that's something that like

1608
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,920
I'm excited to rewatch it just for like that aspect

1609
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,760
of seeing the different creatures that I might have missed

1610
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,159
because you know, just the atention of detail on a

1611
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:56,439
lot of that stuff. And speaking of attention of detail,

1612
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,880
like I mentioned like the the new did you catch

1613
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:02,960
the name of like these water nove do they have

1614
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:04,720
They must have their own name, but I.

1615
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:09,159
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, they're clan name start with an M, the

1616
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:11,720
metro Lican or something like that sounds right.

1617
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:19,199
Speaker 1: The new nove For me, I'll color it like Soraya,

1618
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:21,760
I think what's her name? Like, are like the main

1619
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,800
chief daughter? Yeah, Chief's daughter. There you go.

1620
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:24,199
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1621
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: I'll be throwing up these nicknames rest of the cast

1622
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:30,359
Chief's daughter, just like the the extra detail on like

1623
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,840
she had like like double eyelids to basically like allow

1624
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,800
it basically like goggles so she can like see like

1625
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,279
in the water. All those little details are like I

1626
01:16:40,319 --> 01:16:42,840
already mentioned a lot of the details on the specific creatures,

1627
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,399
but still like like a lot of that stuff. I

1628
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,359
just I mean up all that stuff, and I just

1629
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,880
I have such a soft spot for for those little details,

1630
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,680
especially ones that might go like unnoticed, but that they

1631
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,119
threw them in there just it's one more thing that

1632
01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:59,560
just adds to the immersion uh so much. And yeah,

1633
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,640
I I definitely like that is what I was trying

1634
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,439
to get out of this movie. And I completely got that.

1635
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,560
So that's definitely like what is passing this movie for me.

1636
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,560
But unfortunately there wasn't a great plot, you know, to

1637
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,279
supplement it. But still I loved all of and like

1638
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:16,800
it's just the fact that it just felt so much

1639
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,760
warmer because of like the clear water and then they're

1640
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,279
just living on the water. I like their little cabanas

1641
01:17:22,319 --> 01:17:26,039
and like the bouncy like the trampoline thing. Yeah, all

1642
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:28,399
of that was just it was. It was so great

1643
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:32,119
for me, and yeah, I like the uh I guess

1644
01:17:32,119 --> 01:17:34,840
the whales the placeholder name. I didn't catch what they

1645
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,439
what they were, but how they were like actually connected

1646
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,640
more so than just regular animals living on the planet.

1647
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 3: Would you swim into one's mouth if it I want

1648
01:17:43,039 --> 01:17:43,760
you to go in there.

1649
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,039
Speaker 1: I am so terrified of the ocean, so definitely not

1650
01:17:46,079 --> 01:17:48,159
if I was in an avatar body. Maybe you know,

1651
01:17:48,279 --> 01:17:50,439
it's like it's kind of like my extra life. I

1652
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:51,279
guess you could call it.

1653
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,399
Speaker 3: But yeah, I can tell you one thing like Reuben,

1654
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,680
his worst fear is whales. He can't send them like.

1655
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,840
I don't think he's ever gonna watch this movie like

1656
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,199
whales and feet two things that freaking my feet and feet?

1657
01:18:04,319 --> 01:18:06,079
Oh yeah, see.

1658
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: Where socks all times his feet?

1659
01:18:09,119 --> 01:18:11,279
Speaker 3: Okay, I pulled some shin digs on him with my

1660
01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:12,319
feet and he wasn't like it.

1661
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 2: So you pulled a shin dig on Oh yeah, that

1662
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:16,159
means I don't think that's.

1663
01:18:18,399 --> 01:18:18,520
Speaker 1: Well.

1664
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: Thank for him. Whales don't have feet, so he can't

1665
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:21,880
really get with the tule.

1666
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:27,319
Speaker 3: That's true. On that note of whales, the one the

1667
01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:30,359
main whale that kind of had that half a fin. Uh,

1668
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:35,039
it's extremely spot on. But I appreciated the scene when

1669
01:18:35,159 --> 01:18:37,840
the chain like whipped up and then was like going

1670
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:40,199
and cutting the top of the boat off and pinned

1671
01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:43,920
the main captain's arm and this whale got his revenge

1672
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,920
like a fin for a fin or an arm for

1673
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:46,800
an arm kind of a thing.

1674
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, is that Okay? I didn't even think

1675
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:49,199
about that.

1676
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:50,239
Speaker 2: That's how I took it.

1677
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:54,119
Speaker 1: A lot of like ie for an eye, son for

1678
01:18:54,199 --> 01:18:55,279
a son, feels.

1679
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,520
Speaker 3: A lot of even yeah, oh yeah, I was shocked.

1680
01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 2: I didn't need to have a rating to do that

1681
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,640
kind of thing. Rated would be PG thirteen or something.

1682
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,079
I was like, I don't know if you're allowed to

1683
01:19:09,119 --> 01:19:10,279
do that. James Cameron got.

1684
01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: Away twelve A on my screen. I don't even know

1685
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:13,760
if it's a real rating.

1686
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 2: Twelve year old should not be watching Dismemberment like that

1687
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,479
and all the all the man Spider, what a pottymouth

1688
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,359
on that guy is saying fuck you call people?

1689
01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 3: He actually said fuck. I had to double take that,

1690
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:26,319
like did.

1691
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 2: He actually say that.

1692
01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: You got the one F bomb? Yeah?

1693
01:19:29,359 --> 01:19:31,319
Speaker 3: Okay, I know you get you get.

1694
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:33,520
Speaker 1: One right to keep it? That like PG thirteen rating

1695
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,039
and he dropped it. But yeah, like I was even

1696
01:19:36,079 --> 01:19:40,760
surprised about definitely the dismemberment, but even just like you know,

1697
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,279
there's a decent amount of blood at like some sequences

1698
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:44,079
people getting shot.

1699
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1700
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: I feel like blood is something that they really try

1701
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,319
and hide to keep a certain rating. But again, it's

1702
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:51,640
probably one of those things that they have like a

1703
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:52,760
limit that they can show or what.

1704
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 3: Camera didn't tell anyone. He just slid it in there

1705
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:55,479
at the last second.

1706
01:19:56,079 --> 01:19:58,039
Speaker 2: Well, it's probably like you know what if it's like

1707
01:19:58,079 --> 01:20:00,279
percentage based. So he's like, Okay, I'll make it three

1708
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:02,680
and a half hours long, because then I can put

1709
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:07,600
blood in there for like twenty minutes. I can get

1710
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,359
away with it. That's the only reason why he made

1711
01:20:10,399 --> 01:20:11,279
it as long as he did.

1712
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,279
Speaker 1: Speaking the clever we're gonna go to our next ad

1713
01:20:14,319 --> 01:20:18,239
break here and then we'll be right back, all right,

1714
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:23,640
and we are back from where we were and where

1715
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,920
are we closed up? Alright? Guess just yeah, talking about

1716
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,800
the things that we liked about this movie, I had

1717
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,039
already mentioned, like the family Bondie stuff that I ended

1718
01:20:32,119 --> 01:20:34,119
up growing to like. I a lot of that too,

1719
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:35,800
I think is just what they kind of went through

1720
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:41,239
like in the Ocean World Kiri Kiri Kitty whatever we're

1721
01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:44,960
calling her new Sigourney Weaver. This was a character that

1722
01:20:45,079 --> 01:20:48,439
I I don't know, like I feel like I'm like

1723
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,800
fifty to fifty on because I don't know if I

1724
01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:53,800
like this character or not, or like maybe I do

1725
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,520
like the character, but I don't know why I like

1726
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,920
the character more so than just like I don't know,

1727
01:20:58,119 --> 01:21:01,239
she's just like she's like this chosen one that we

1728
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:04,680
barely scratched the surface on and we just didn't really

1729
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,920
get full explanations on like what is even going on

1730
01:21:07,079 --> 01:21:09,840
with her? Like I get it she's I don't know,

1731
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:14,199
special like through Awa has access to some sort of

1732
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,159
water bending, fish bending powers or something like that, but

1733
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,319
they really just didn't dive into a lot of that,

1734
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:23,159
which I was kind of shocked about by the end

1735
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:26,800
of it, because she has this like seizure with like

1736
01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:29,960
the like the World Tree or the Tree of Souls,

1737
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,640
whatever it was, and they just call it like basically epilepsy,

1738
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,800
And is that just the real deal? Like I thought

1739
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,840
it was something that like modern science was trying to

1740
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:41,479
explain it, but they just didn't have the answers for

1741
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,159
it and then I was gonna get that explanation, but

1742
01:21:43,239 --> 01:21:45,359
we never got there because she just never had another

1743
01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:47,720
seizure or any issue ever. Again, it was just a

1744
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,520
really strange moment to get a human ship there so

1745
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:56,359
that our new protagonist, Miles Korich could just find his enemy.

1746
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,600
Like it was just for me. That was another thing

1747
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,079
that just kind of was adoing over me for this

1748
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:05,960
character at least because she does like she has significant

1749
01:22:06,039 --> 01:22:07,960
role in this movie. But I was just shocked that

1750
01:22:08,039 --> 01:22:10,760
they didn't really like dive into that more. So maybe

1751
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,880
we're saving it for next or yeah, the next movie,

1752
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:14,479
but still, that's that's so strange.

1753
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 2: I think the epilepsy thing because that was just when

1754
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,000
the one random scientist dude showed up, so that was

1755
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,079
his take. But like, they've never interacted with this creature,

1756
01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:27,159
this like world Tree of the Water thing, so I

1757
01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:30,720
don't think they really know yet. But watching like two

1758
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,520
minutes in the new one and number three, Miles is

1759
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,720
going to learn how to control these creatures too, and

1760
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,159
then he'll just like send all these scene enemies and

1761
01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:40,560
things after people.

1762
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:42,279
Speaker 1: God, I hope not.

1763
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 3: I'm I'm just waiting to figure out, like, Okay, who

1764
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:49,520
the father is because we've got that whole dream sequence

1765
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,960
going on there, and yeah, the Chosen One. We've got

1766
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:57,840
the Anakin Skywalker, the the Ray Skywalker, like she's a skywalker.

1767
01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:02,760
So I'm looking for forward to seeing, yeah, what's going

1768
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,840
down there, because if I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure

1769
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,800
in the first one there was that direct connection with

1770
01:23:10,119 --> 01:23:12,920
Grace's avatar because when they tried to put her soul

1771
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,720
in there, I just took this as maybe Grace's soul

1772
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,319
is just kind of like gone to Awa, and then

1773
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:17,880
AA was just.

1774
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: What I thought, Yeah, I ate like, I ate that

1775
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,279
up and I was happy with it. I'm like, that's

1776
01:23:22,279 --> 01:23:25,119
a good explanation. But now it's just like who's the father,

1777
01:23:25,279 --> 01:23:27,239
And it's like this is a question I never posed,

1778
01:23:27,279 --> 01:23:29,760
and I never really was going to pose. I just

1779
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:35,399
completely was okay with thel Awa. Yeah, Norman Grace were

1780
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:39,960
getting it on God and like Norm too big back seat.

1781
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,640
I wasn't really asking for more of this character. But

1782
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,840
that's something that I felt was pretty disconnected from the

1783
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,960
last movie was he was basically like Jake Sully's like

1784
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,079
initial guide into this like mystical world which is Awa.

1785
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:51,840
You know, like he was the one that's explaining like

1786
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,439
I see you, and then like how big of a

1787
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,960
deal that was and just the whole like he like

1788
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,000
gets offended when Jake is just kind of like not

1789
01:23:58,119 --> 01:24:00,560
caring about it. And then in this movie we have

1790
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,720
the seizure moment and like she connected to Awa and

1791
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:08,680
he's just like no, it's just like like fanatic religious whatever.

1792
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,399
Was like the definition that he said is just like

1793
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,399
you know, like what's the word, I'm looking for visions

1794
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,600
that you're seeing, hallucinations there, you go, like this sort

1795
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,359
of thing, and he just immediately like disregards it. It

1796
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,119
was just like so like, Okay, this guy doesn't believe

1797
01:24:22,119 --> 01:24:23,920
in a wa anymore, even though he's like just a

1798
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,920
permanent avatar. I guess now like we're just throwing that

1799
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,199
one out the window, that human form too, So I

1800
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,119
think he yeah, okay, he still swaps back.

1801
01:24:32,319 --> 01:24:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I think that when it comes

1802
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,439
to him, this is just this is new and that's

1803
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,359
why everyone our first he is like a freak or

1804
01:24:40,399 --> 01:24:43,239
something's wrong with her because she knows that there's no

1805
01:24:43,399 --> 01:24:47,079
one that's like her. Before we even see the Sahekh

1806
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,920
of the Water Tribe was just focused on her too

1807
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,000
because she was just like in the water doing things

1808
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:55,239
that I think no one has ever seen her do before.

1809
01:24:55,359 --> 01:24:58,880
She's got this connection to the world around her, and

1810
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:04,239
so when she's having a I guess like, yeah, like

1811
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:09,720
an epileptic seizure by connecting to this tree of souls underwater.

1812
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,520
For norm, he's probably thinking like, Okay, this has not

1813
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,279
never happened before, it shouldn't happen, and it's just okay,

1814
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,159
she has seen the things. He is rationalizing it scientifically,

1815
01:25:20,199 --> 01:25:22,079
And I think that's kind of like the thing that

1816
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:25,000
Grace kind of showcased too, because Grace had this approach

1817
01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:28,239
where like, hey, it's a network and we're trying to

1818
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,319
scientifically find an explanation for all of these things. So

1819
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:35,119
I think maybe that's kind of like the approach. And

1820
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:37,159
I don't think he's ever connected to aos, So I

1821
01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:39,680
mean he's going to have a limited kind of belief

1822
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:40,000
on this.

1823
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,319
Speaker 1: He's going stir crazy. He's been on there for fifteen years.

1824
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:47,520
He's like just missing more humans. He's going a little

1825
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:53,079
bit crazy. Yeah, I think again, like I don't want

1826
01:25:53,079 --> 01:25:57,279
to keep reiterated, but like just just that disconnect from

1827
01:25:57,319 --> 01:25:59,520
like the belief of it. I think that was just

1828
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,520
something that that bothered me more than I was kind

1829
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,159
of expecting, because yeah, like Jake Sully was super super

1830
01:26:05,359 --> 01:26:08,039
into the whole like belief system and everything. It seemed

1831
01:26:08,039 --> 01:26:10,640
like he like like he's connected to like the Tree

1832
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,319
of Souls and like connected to Awa multiple times. But

1833
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,000
it's just I don't know, it just seemed like we

1834
01:26:17,119 --> 01:26:19,319
really threw a lot of that belief out the window

1835
01:26:19,399 --> 01:26:21,079
going into this movie, and for me, it just it

1836
01:26:21,119 --> 01:26:23,800
didn't really sit right because I really liked that stuff,

1837
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,319
Like if you listen to the retro, like that was

1838
01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:27,600
such a highlight moment for me. Was the just the

1839
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,920
whole explanation of this connectivity, this like one organism that

1840
01:26:32,119 --> 01:26:35,039
is the world of Pandora, and we just it's like

1841
01:26:35,119 --> 01:26:37,880
we took a step back in that fifteen year mark

1842
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,399
and then we're kind of like carring, like like picking

1843
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,000
up those pieces again. And then by the end of

1844
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:44,640
the movie, which was like the exact same shot of

1845
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,359
the end of the first movie when his eyes open

1846
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,960
up like I'm ready, I am a nave now, and

1847
01:26:49,039 --> 01:26:52,399
it's just okay, yeah, there it is.

1848
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of what we were talking

1849
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,680
about with the Miles taking over the dragon thing too,

1850
01:26:58,159 --> 01:27:00,479
So that's not really connection thing. Anyone kind of just

1851
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,600
do that. Didn't like, does any of this really have

1852
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,720
any meaning? Does anyone actually really connecting or maybe even

1853
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,720
Norm's right, maybe all of it is bullshit. Anyone can

1854
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,880
just do whatever. If you have the fucking antenna, you're

1855
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,399
good to go. You can do whatever you need to do.

1856
01:27:14,199 --> 01:27:22,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, alrighty Well quickly mentioned the chief. I really again,

1857
01:27:22,319 --> 01:27:24,640
there's another design. I really really love just his his

1858
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,840
like tribal tattoos wherever he had, and he had this

1859
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,760
like ceremonial like necklace thing. It's probably just like to

1860
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,279
announce that he's the chief or whatnot. But I just

1861
01:27:33,399 --> 01:27:36,039
I loved his look so much, and even like the

1862
01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:38,399
queen too. I found it was Kate Winslet that did

1863
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,800
the voice for her, which kind of surprised me. I

1864
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,119
did not hear her voice at all during the movie.

1865
01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:46,359
But you know, she's not playing Kate Winslet, She's playing

1866
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,840
a nove character, so good on her for changing her voice.

1867
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,359
But yeah, and again like I shout out the uh

1868
01:27:52,199 --> 01:27:58,039
Chief's daughter and stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's right. So yeah,

1869
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:00,960
I just I think I really just like the new

1870
01:28:01,039 --> 01:28:04,199
design of these nove and although we didn't really go

1871
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:06,920
too deep with a lot of their their characters stuff.

1872
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,720
Oh that reminded myself. Dylan mentioned or no, sorry, Taylor

1873
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,920
mentioned the uh, what's like the serious his name again

1874
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:18,000
like the title of it, the who what the serious?

1875
01:28:18,319 --> 01:28:21,079
Like the like there's like the king and then like the.

1876
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 3: Oh like the Chief's wife.

1877
01:28:23,279 --> 01:28:27,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there you go, so like her kind of

1878
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:29,560
seeing some sort of potential in like Kiri or something,

1879
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,960
or like not even potential. It's just like she notices

1880
01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:34,479
that something's going on. You're a freak Parker, which was

1881
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:40,039
me Jesus's That's another thing where it's like I just

1882
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:42,720
can't believe that we didn't have like a dialogue between

1883
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,239
either her and Kirie or the Chief's daughter in her

1884
01:28:46,359 --> 01:28:48,840
because the Chief's daughter was like really intrigued and the

1885
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,119
way that she was just kind of interacting with the creatures.

1886
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:53,920
And was that just edited out of the entire movie

1887
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,359
or did they really just not want to even like

1888
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:57,239
unravel that at all.

1889
01:28:57,279 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1890
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm just getting reminded about things that we're did. The

1891
01:29:00,319 --> 01:29:00,880
negative section.

1892
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 2: This isn't supposed to what's going on here? I love

1893
01:29:04,079 --> 01:29:04,439
this thing?

1894
01:29:05,079 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: Oh no, my points are gonna be lower than I thought.

1895
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,880
But yeah, anything else on like the the New Way

1896
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,359
of Water village that we were at, No.

1897
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:17,119
Speaker 3: I mean, I love the Murph folk. I think they

1898
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:19,319
were great, and I went back when they made an

1899
01:29:19,359 --> 01:29:24,079
emphasis about the tails. I really started started to think, like, okay, like,

1900
01:29:24,199 --> 01:29:26,039
so what's really going on here? Like did they not

1901
01:29:26,199 --> 01:29:28,119
have tails? And I was trying to look and see

1902
01:29:28,199 --> 01:29:30,159
and then when you finally see that they have these fins,

1903
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,920
Oh though, that was cool, Like you've already mentioned just

1904
01:29:33,039 --> 01:29:36,399
the the subtle differences in their physique and their builds,

1905
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,439
like being more like kind of like skinny and slanky

1906
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:44,199
to the more buff and like jacked versions that they are. Yeah,

1907
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:47,239
I just I really really liked liked the world, and

1908
01:29:47,319 --> 01:29:49,760
I liked their designs and all that they just they

1909
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:51,720
look super cool. The chief was really really awesome. I'm

1910
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:53,800
glad that he's still alive because I really liked his

1911
01:29:54,039 --> 01:29:58,319
character and I'm excited to see what more comes out

1912
01:29:58,319 --> 01:29:58,560
of them.

1913
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Not to go back on the cons here, we keep

1914
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:03,520
getting back.

1915
01:30:04,399 --> 01:30:06,199
Speaker 3: Well, this is something that I don't even know if

1916
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:09,880
it's really a commt. It's something I noticed when Jake

1917
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:14,000
arrives at the human ship with the force of the murfolk,

1918
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:18,600
and they the whale free. Willy does his thing and

1919
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,600
lands on the boat, and then the all the navvy

1920
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,840
storm the ship. The battle ensues, The battle goes on

1921
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,359
for a while, and then afterwards it's just Jake and

1922
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,479
his family left and everyone else fucked off.

1923
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,399
Speaker 1: It's a good question, or that's a good point. Sorry,

1924
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,039
I didn't even think about that. Actually, they totally do

1925
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:35,760
just fuck off.

1926
01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 3: It's weird, right, Well, there's like.

1927
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,520
Speaker 2: A ring of fire around them.

1928
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,399
Speaker 3: They fucked off before that too, like, oh no, fire

1929
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:48,720
beats water, we gotta go. Yeah, So just it was

1930
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,000
a peculiar thing I thought. But I just think like

1931
01:30:51,239 --> 01:30:53,039
maybe they thought like, okay, yeah, well I got my

1932
01:30:53,159 --> 01:30:54,159
daughter wore bouncing.

1933
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: We totally fucked them up. We totally wont that. They're

1934
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,920
like at their village. Yeah we did it. We killed it.

1935
01:31:01,079 --> 01:31:03,800
It's like, where's my daughter? Where's her? Where's Jake Sulley?

1936
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:08,199
Speaker 3: All right?

1937
01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: Someone I actually forgot to talk about at all, which

1938
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:16,920
is probably fitting for her lack of appearance, is Nittieri. Uh, Dylan,

1939
01:31:17,039 --> 01:31:19,720
you you briefly brought her up with the spider interaction,

1940
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,600
But yeah, I was I was super bummed by just

1941
01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:26,520
like the back seatness of of of her. I feel

1942
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,640
like the decision to have that it wasn't the most

1943
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,960
egregious because like it's it was mostly just showcasing the

1944
01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:35,920
kids and like their their new environment and like the

1945
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,199
new I don't know, just things that are going with

1946
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:41,840
on on with them. But like for my favorite section

1947
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,199
of this movie being that like intro to the Way

1948
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:48,039
of Water, that was really where like Jake, Sulley and

1949
01:31:48,359 --> 01:31:52,039
Natiri just like disappeared. They're like doing the couple's massages

1950
01:31:52,079 --> 01:31:55,840
and stuff probably while you know, like like they really

1951
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,840
just weren't on screen like at all other than spliced

1952
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:00,439
in when the kids would fuck up and then Jake

1953
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:01,920
would do his little talk and then they would just

1954
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,880
kind of disappear again. And I like, I think it's

1955
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,199
my favorite character from the first movie, So I just

1956
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,159
was really bummed that she completely disappear. For the most part.

1957
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,479
I did like her popping off at the end when

1958
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,680
she goes full mom mode that like and just like

1959
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,640
basically a demonet like she she was popping off with

1960
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,600
her bow and arrow again. So that was a fun

1961
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,600
little showcase. But you know, to only have that for

1962
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:26,720
like seven minutes in the entire movie, when she was

1963
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,319
such a key part of the first movie. I was

1964
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,279
a little bit bothered by that because I really care.

1965
01:32:33,319 --> 01:32:35,840
I'm glad she's still alive because maybe that will mean

1966
01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:38,079
I am getting more. But I don't know. I don't

1967
01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:41,000
think I'll ever reach like the screen time that she

1968
01:32:41,079 --> 01:32:43,000
had in that first movie, or just like the full

1969
01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:45,399
effect for it, because she was really just like an

1970
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,239
upset mom that she's like, no, Jake, we can't leave

1971
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:49,880
the people, and then he like, know what we got

1972
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,920
to It's like, okay, we're gonna do that, and then

1973
01:32:52,079 --> 01:32:54,720
she just just goes along with it. And I don't

1974
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:56,560
know for like, she had a lot of great character

1975
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,319
moments in the first but just just kind of back

1976
01:32:59,359 --> 01:33:01,960
burnered on a low tempt too, which is just never

1977
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:03,039
really reaching boiling point.

1978
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, she definitely was more in the back seat

1979
01:33:06,119 --> 01:33:08,680
for this, and I think that's that is the thing

1980
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:14,960
and the trouble when you introduced new characters, this is

1981
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:18,439
I always reference how Force Awakens did this, so well,

1982
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,399
you have Luke Skywalker, you have your main head Honchows.

1983
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,640
It's going to pull the attention away. People are gonna

1984
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,680
want to get to see that those main juicy characters more,

1985
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,560
and it's gonna pull the spotlight away from the new

1986
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:33,960
character introductions. Now, in this instance, you have those old

1987
01:33:34,039 --> 01:33:36,239
characters that people really wanted to see, but then they didn't.

1988
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,479
They didn't give them enough to kind of keep people

1989
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,000
focused on them, and didn't give the new characters enough

1990
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,199
to keep people focused on that. I mean, I say

1991
01:33:45,239 --> 01:33:47,359
that for the general audience. Me personally, I felt like

1992
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,079
I had enough to kind of keep going with it,

1993
01:33:49,239 --> 01:33:50,760
But at the end of the day's always all Donna

1994
01:33:51,039 --> 01:33:52,760
definitely did not have enough.

1995
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:54,359
Speaker 2: What kept you going with her?

1996
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:58,239
Speaker 3: What kept me going on was just like seeing her

1997
01:33:58,359 --> 01:34:02,640
constant struggle and pain at just I just kept self

1998
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,960
like self thinking to myself, like okay, yeah, ever since

1999
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:09,000
she met like Jake, Like Jake's the the causation for

2000
01:34:09,119 --> 01:34:12,600
all of the pain in her life after she lost

2001
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,720
her son, that was one thing. But when she broke

2002
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:19,640
her bow, oh fuck the wood of home tree, she

2003
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,119
was fucking livid. So and I like that Spider was

2004
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:26,159
hiding from her. That just really made me feel like okay,

2005
01:34:26,279 --> 01:34:28,840
Like yeah, like Spider is supposed to be the feral one,

2006
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,479
but now, like who's really the faral one in this instance,

2007
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,199
like she was fucking spooky.

2008
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,159
Speaker 1: Definitely not a Tarzan boy with the rebreather. I don't

2009
01:34:37,159 --> 01:34:40,079
think he's the firal one compared to the actual native

2010
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:42,640
Navi creature there. But yeah, that I really liked that

2011
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,600
moment too, when she was popping off and he's just

2012
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,520
hiding from her, and it just really like puts this

2013
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:51,279
lens of threat and like villain, that that the Nave

2014
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,279
could really be perceived at by someone like so vulnerable.

2015
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,319
You know, they got carbon reinforced bones and all these

2016
01:34:57,359 --> 01:34:59,520
things that Ranger Ricks told us in the first film.

2017
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:03,319
Speaker 3: He he has this pre existing notion too, where he

2018
01:35:03,359 --> 01:35:05,920
he never got to understand or see what really happened.

2019
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,319
He knew who his father was, but he actually he

2020
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:11,319
at some point he got to see, okay, how he

2021
01:35:11,399 --> 01:35:14,520
really died. He got to see Natiri going full feral

2022
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,640
mode and killing him, and so I think in that

2023
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,079
moment it makes it even more heavier why he's hiding

2024
01:35:19,079 --> 01:35:22,079
because he is afraid of further Okay, this could I

2025
01:35:22,119 --> 01:35:24,920
could be what if I become him? What if she

2026
01:35:25,079 --> 01:35:25,439
kills me?

2027
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, fair enough, yeah, yeah, for I don't have

2028
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,680
much more to say on the tiery. But like for me,

2029
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,159
like I can't think of a single scene that Natiri

2030
01:35:36,319 --> 01:35:39,800
and her son have together right there. There isn't any

2031
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,600
The only reason that scene has any punch is because

2032
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,159
once again slap that label on her. That was her son,

2033
01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:47,840
So obviously she's gonna have some emotional reaction. But like,

2034
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:50,359
there's no there. They didn't put any effort in. There's

2035
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:54,319
no effort into that relationship beyond just like the label

2036
01:35:54,359 --> 01:35:57,720
that's on it. So I feel heartless. But I did

2037
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,119
not care when he died. I did not care in

2038
01:36:00,199 --> 01:36:03,159
that death scene because yeah, I was not given any

2039
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:06,880
reason to. Yeah I am heartless, but there you go,

2040
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,960
And I mean sorry to say what we're saying. They

2041
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:11,880
you just look at the run time, three hours and

2042
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,399
twelve minutes. There's a lot of time to give her something.

2043
01:36:16,399 --> 01:36:19,039
Instead they just shove all like some emotional beats in

2044
01:36:19,159 --> 01:36:22,680
like the last fifteen minutes of the movie. But there

2045
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,079
there was so much time to do any anything with her,

2046
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:28,319
and instead they just made her sad mom, which is

2047
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:30,359
which is too bad that there's a lot more they

2048
01:36:30,359 --> 01:36:32,960
could have done with her. She has no story of

2049
01:36:33,039 --> 01:36:34,159
her own in this movie.

2050
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,359
Speaker 1: For what she was in the first movie. It's it's

2051
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,399
really sad that this is where she is in the

2052
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,520
second movie. But I don't know, I'll have an open heart.

2053
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:42,960
Hopefully it switches around for the next one. But I mean,

2054
01:36:43,399 --> 01:36:45,359
like to your point there, it's the same thing I

2055
01:36:45,399 --> 01:36:47,079
was kind of bringing up with like Kiri not having

2056
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:50,199
any dialogue really again, like you could use Nateri there,

2057
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:52,039
Like why did they not really have too many moments

2058
01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:55,439
together other than just when she was sad or like

2059
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:57,760
scared that maybe one of them are gonna die or whatnot.

2060
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,399
But yeah, there's just for for how much runtime we

2061
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:04,680
had on on screen there, like they really didn't. They

2062
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,319
really didn't put a lot of like character and character

2063
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,039
like interaction for for what they could have done for

2064
01:37:10,119 --> 01:37:12,159
how many characters were in this film, how many like

2065
01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:16,479
potential really heart, I don't know, like bonding moments that

2066
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:18,079
you could have had like with these family members, with

2067
01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:21,760
these siblings, with these just new friends. It just yeah,

2068
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,399
like and like to thinking about some of the dialogue

2069
01:37:24,399 --> 01:37:26,159
that we got with like Ranger Rick and this this

2070
01:37:26,359 --> 01:37:29,439
lady on her like fucking exosue thing like sipping her

2071
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:31,279
coffee with the suit. It's just like, really is this

2072
01:37:31,359 --> 01:37:36,439
worse we're spending time here. It's and God, for how

2073
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:38,359
much I enjoyed like the visuals of this, It's like

2074
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:42,000
it sucks that now I'm just clouded by like I'm

2075
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:43,920
gonna have to get through that muck to get through

2076
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:48,279
the fun stuff. But yeah, alas, here we are with

2077
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:54,800
the older brother, the one that perished Yam I think

2078
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,439
was his name. The older brother I'm gonna stick with

2079
01:37:57,039 --> 01:37:59,640
so I don't embarrass myself further. But I had a

2080
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:01,760
kind of an inclean early on that he was gonna

2081
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,199
be the one to die just because we really don't

2082
01:38:04,319 --> 01:38:06,760
have anything going on with him. Like initially I thought

2083
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,520
the love interest like Chief's daughter and him were like

2084
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:12,359
the like the couple, so I was like, okay, maybe

2085
01:38:12,359 --> 01:38:13,920
he's not gonna die here, like this is something that

2086
01:38:14,039 --> 01:38:17,000
makes him relevant, But no, it is the more interesting

2087
01:38:17,399 --> 01:38:20,399
younger sibling that's getting on with the chief's daughter. And

2088
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,520
this guy is just like the cool the cool older

2089
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:26,479
brother who's just like fitting into like the future chief

2090
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,760
role really well, and that was really all he was.

2091
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,960
So I don't think you're too heartless, Dylan, and saying

2092
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,319
that you didn't really get affected too much Honestly, I

2093
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,319
did get emotional, like at the end when they connect

2094
01:38:38,359 --> 01:38:40,000
to the world tree and there is that moment of

2095
01:38:40,119 --> 01:38:44,960
like the flashback. That scene got me pretty good. But yeah,

2096
01:38:45,079 --> 01:38:49,800
I think that's just my own emotional self getting that

2097
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,159
action out more so than like calling back to a

2098
01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:54,720
really sweet sequence, because like we did get that moment

2099
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:57,680
early on in the film. But just these like grieving

2100
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:01,039
parents and probably just picturing myself that situation is really

2101
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:01,760
what did it there.

2102
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:04,279
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny. I don't know if this

2103
01:39:04,359 --> 01:39:07,359
was intentional, probably not, because I think James Cameron openly

2104
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:08,960
hates Marvel and stuff.

2105
01:39:09,279 --> 01:39:09,720
Speaker 1: But she was.

2106
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,119
Speaker 2: She had like that exact line that was like a

2107
01:39:12,279 --> 01:39:15,079
son for a son, which is exactly how Goodmore when

2108
01:39:15,159 --> 01:39:16,520
I was stole a soul for a so all, I

2109
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,520
thought it was very funny that it was just that

2110
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:21,760
exact same dialogue from a movie that I'm pretty sure

2111
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:24,399
in some interviews he said it is like terrible and

2112
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:27,239
he hates it, probably because it took over whatever Avatar

2113
01:39:27,319 --> 01:39:28,640
one for the biggest movie at the time.

2114
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:29,279
Speaker 1: Now he likes it.

2115
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, damn, that was some great writing.

2116
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,840
I'm just gonna yeah, swipe that drop in my project

2117
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,399
good to go, so we get over here. We got

2118
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:38,199
a movie to Yeah.

2119
01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:44,199
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm looking at my character last year. I feel

2120
01:39:44,199 --> 01:39:46,479
like I don't really have too much else to say

2121
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:49,279
on anyone else, which is kind of sad that like

2122
01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:51,800
the youngest child she was, she was pretty cute. The

2123
01:39:52,199 --> 01:39:54,760
people in my theater were really loving all like the

2124
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,880
screen screen time that she was having the little one

2125
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,720
liners or they really love like any moments like the

2126
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:01,920
kid would like hiss at their parents or something like that.

2127
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,760
Reaction really got a good rouse out of my theater

2128
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,119
and overall, like I was gonna ask you guys, like

2129
01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:08,880
how full your theater was? Mine was at least the

2130
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,439
middle section was filled in. I don't know about the outsides, but.

2131
01:40:13,079 --> 01:40:15,079
Speaker 2: Mine was pretty much full. Like the first row or

2132
01:40:15,159 --> 01:40:17,800
two which are super close and in weird spots, I

2133
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,439
don't know if those were taken, but otherwise it was, uh,

2134
01:40:21,279 --> 01:40:23,960
it was full. It seemed like quite a diverse range

2135
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:25,800
of people that where they were there too, Like I

2136
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,399
said this, kind of like older lady that was next

2137
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:30,600
to me that was narrating, like Jake Suley was there,

2138
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,159
but yeah, I don't know, seem like a whole mix

2139
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:34,359
of people were into this thing.

2140
01:40:35,239 --> 01:40:38,359
Speaker 3: Uh, the first two rows were definitely empty ish, but

2141
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:42,640
the rest theater is pretty full. I know in retrospect,

2142
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:46,039
I'm madden kicking myself because I wanted to get the

2143
01:40:46,119 --> 01:40:49,680
tickets at the Cineplex, the reclining seats. I didn't think

2144
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:51,720
it was playing there. I just assumed to look at Landmark.

2145
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,640
I thought, oh, it's playing at Landmark. It's only it's

2146
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:57,159
either or it's never both. But when I looked, I saw,

2147
01:40:57,319 --> 01:40:58,760
oh shit, well it's sold out there.

2148
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 2: So that was a full camer and he gets that

2149
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:02,199
movie everywhere.

2150
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I said, like, I feel like most

2151
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,560
of my feater was actually like pretty into it. It's I.

2152
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:11,600
I sat to an older lady as well to my

2153
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,279
left and I she went through a range of emotions

2154
01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:15,800
throughout this movie. I feel like in the beginning she

2155
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:17,560
was just like, ah, like what is this. I feel

2156
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,399
like she was kind of annoyed by the glasses, like

2157
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:28,359
like when there's a she was not vibing too much

2158
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:30,399
with that. But man, I don't know what point it was,

2159
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,880
but like she got totally engaged with the film, Like

2160
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:34,439
she was on the edge of her seat when the

2161
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:36,319
kids were in peril, Like she was totally like covering

2162
01:41:36,359 --> 01:41:39,079
her mouth and really getting into it the jump scare,

2163
01:41:39,319 --> 01:41:40,760
like I thought she was gonna land in my lap.

2164
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,239
She like flew out of her seat. She uh yeah,

2165
01:41:43,319 --> 01:41:46,199
she she. I think she really enjoyed the movie though,

2166
01:41:46,319 --> 01:41:48,159
but it's just funny. Out in the beginning, she was

2167
01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:51,399
just like like what is this And in the previews,

2168
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,600
of course, like every trailer is a Marvel trailer, and

2169
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:55,600
like her husband was like is Marvel the only one

2170
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,479
making movies these days? Like it was just it was

2171
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,199
just so funny, like before the movie was even sorry,

2172
01:42:00,199 --> 01:42:01,680
I'm like, oh, this is my crew here, like this's

2173
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:02,439
gonna be a fun one.

2174
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,119
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's two Marvel trailers and Mario I'm like,

2175
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:08,119
I'm meeting this up. This is I don't get trailers

2176
01:42:08,119 --> 01:42:09,920
because the movies are so long. But yeah, it was

2177
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:10,279
nice to.

2178
01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 3: Sit Mario, Mario, D and D and then the two Marvels.

2179
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, D and D as well, yeah, yeah, let's see.

2180
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:23,279
I don't oh yeah, I should already said don't really

2181
01:42:23,279 --> 01:42:26,800
be anything else character wise to shout out really just

2182
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,199
piece of shit, like Captain. It's just funny how they

2183
01:42:29,239 --> 01:42:31,359
have like these characters that are just like the worst

2184
01:42:31,399 --> 01:42:33,680
of the scum. You know, he's like, don't make money boys,

2185
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:38,039
and he's just wearing like the ratty like crewman, Like yeah,

2186
01:42:38,079 --> 01:42:39,560
he's like the captain of the ship, but he's also

2187
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,800
like the main fucking gunner like on Like it's just

2188
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,319
it's just strange the way this character was bouncing around.

2189
01:42:44,399 --> 01:42:47,199
But yeah, there is a lot of bad writing in this.

2190
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:50,119
One line that just really stuck with me in a

2191
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:54,079
bad way was when Kiri is getting like kidnapped by

2192
01:42:55,079 --> 01:42:56,640
I think it's like when she's in the water and

2193
01:42:56,680 --> 01:43:01,319
then one of uh quorches like goon picks her up

2194
01:43:01,399 --> 01:43:06,439
with you know, his super bonded flying creature drops drops

2195
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:07,600
him all of the ship and then she's and then

2196
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:09,840
he like grabs her and he's like come on, sweet

2197
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:11,960
cake or something like he says some like weird term

2198
01:43:12,039 --> 01:43:12,239
for her.

2199
01:43:12,279 --> 01:43:14,640
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not your sweet cake or I.

2200
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 1: Think it's buttercup. I'm not your buttercup Perve, And it

2201
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:18,520
was just it was really weird to hear that like

2202
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,720
on screen. I don't know, it just it I don't know,

2203
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,239
it just it just really was weird to hear. And

2204
01:43:23,319 --> 01:43:25,800
there was a couple other lines that of course I

2205
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,680
didn't write them down while I was watching the movie,

2206
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:29,560
but they really stuck with me where it was just

2207
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,800
like man like I I didn't really notice the bad

2208
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,279
writing in Avatar one until like my last watch, and

2209
01:43:35,319 --> 01:43:36,920
then now in this one, it's like oof, it did

2210
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,000
not improve, if anything, I went down because it's just

2211
01:43:39,159 --> 01:43:41,159
a lot of the one liners are just so corny.

2212
01:43:41,239 --> 01:43:43,840
Like I mentioned some of the cheesy scenes that we

2213
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,079
had on screen, but there were like sprinkled throughout. I

2214
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:47,079
think there was a lot of.

2215
01:43:49,039 --> 01:43:53,159
Speaker 2: Sea sea tier. It's still very dude broie like the

2216
01:43:53,239 --> 01:43:56,399
first one was. And I swear like the most common

2217
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,199
word in this movie must be bro. Everyone's calling each

2218
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:00,119
other brow the whole.

2219
01:44:00,119 --> 01:44:04,399
Speaker 3: Because because they broke us. I was Spider for sure.

2220
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:09,359
Speaker 1: Who rah When when Korch gets the flying creature, just

2221
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:12,079
like hoorah, they're like, you know, doing the whole marine

2222
01:44:12,199 --> 01:44:14,680
chants and everything is fun times.

2223
01:44:15,239 --> 01:44:17,520
Speaker 3: Simplify to a video chat.

2224
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:21,359
Speaker 1: He did, oh man, Okay, So when the speccups are

2225
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,279
like first like in like the Woodland Realms and they're

2226
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:28,199
popping off, war is basically starting and it's going on, Taylor,

2227
01:44:28,319 --> 01:44:30,520
I'm not gonna lie. I was like, man, I'm getting

2228
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,159
a Pandora. I'm getting a Pandora Modern Warfare two, like

2229
01:44:33,319 --> 01:44:37,319
operator or something. I can see them full crew. I'm like,

2230
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,840
I know, like like this, this is what I want

2231
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:44,119
right now. I'm I'm yeah. They're like eight feet tall too,

2232
01:44:44,399 --> 01:44:48,479
just like way bigger than other characters. Just a bullet sponge.

2233
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,920
But uh yeah no, I I definitely got that Model

2234
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,960
Warfare two. I don't know. I guess vibe from from

2235
01:44:54,079 --> 01:44:56,000
just them in in the suits and in the train

2236
01:44:56,079 --> 01:44:56,560
and everything.

2237
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,239
Speaker 3: When when they were stalking through the forest there and

2238
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,039
Jake and the Tierri were just like taking up their

2239
01:45:02,039 --> 01:45:05,399
different positions. I love that when Jake was like silently

2240
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:09,119
executing and the teary was popping off, that was those sequences.

2241
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:12,520
Speaker 1: Like Assassin's Creed three vibes.

2242
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,159
Speaker 3: Man, oh yeah, that was so cool. That's another thing

2243
01:45:15,279 --> 01:45:18,600
too that I really liked with the Tiri is she

2244
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:20,840
did in two different sequences, and I like that they

2245
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:24,199
they adapted to do that in the In the first movie,

2246
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:27,079
I feel I kind of hed canon myself, where Okay,

2247
01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:29,560
the Navy couldn't penetrate the cockpits with their bow and

2248
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,000
arrows because they're too far away, and I kind of

2249
01:45:32,039 --> 01:45:34,039
hed canon the fact that, Okay, Jake probably came in

2250
01:45:34,119 --> 01:45:36,680
and said, hey, you guys gotta get close up when

2251
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:38,640
you launch that you got to have like your downward

2252
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,520
motion too on your akran when you fire your arrow.

2253
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,359
And now that's all the Tiri does, and every time

2254
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:47,000
she does it it makes me just tense because it's

2255
01:45:47,159 --> 01:45:51,239
so fucking bone when this pilot's like looking down and

2256
01:45:51,279 --> 01:45:54,039
all of a sudden, this fucking arrow, like the size

2257
01:45:54,039 --> 01:45:56,920
of his limb just goes through the glass and penetrates them.

2258
01:45:57,119 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Fuck brob the size of him honestly like a seven

2259
01:46:00,079 --> 01:46:02,439
yeah or something. My gosh, but.

2260
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:12,199
Speaker 3: Ye on the note of arrows though, when Myles was

2261
01:46:12,279 --> 01:46:15,560
like when he was like mesmerized by the green like

2262
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,920
feathered arrow that landed in front of him and he's like,

2263
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:23,680
what did he say? Is like, hey, missus, Sully, you're

2264
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:24,680
calling card.

2265
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:32,039
Speaker 1: Okay, that's something. So with Korch's like, I guess, clone

2266
01:46:32,199 --> 01:46:35,720
of himself. When did he like get the memories? Is

2267
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:37,760
it like basically right when he died or is it

2268
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:39,279
like when he did that recording, like.

2269
01:46:39,359 --> 01:46:41,319
Speaker 3: When he did the recording that was that was up

2270
01:46:41,359 --> 01:46:42,000
to that point?

2271
01:46:42,319 --> 01:46:44,520
Speaker 1: And what point in like the first movie. Was that

2272
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:46,640
because like when I was where they rolled out to

2273
01:46:47,079 --> 01:46:51,880
h hit the Tree of Souls, Okay, yeah, see, I

2274
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:53,680
thought that was like way earlier in the film. So

2275
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,960
when Korch was just like remembering things from the first movie,

2276
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:00,159
it just seemed I don't know, like I mean of

2277
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:01,920
his explain now that I know the timeline of it,

2278
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,960
but it just seemed kind of fortunate. That's just like, oh,

2279
01:47:05,039 --> 01:47:07,640
he knows exactly about these arrows and all these things,

2280
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:10,760
and I don't know, it's just I don't know. Maybe

2281
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,199
I'm in the minority here. I just didn't grasp on

2282
01:47:13,319 --> 01:47:14,920
to it. But I think it could have been explained

2283
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:15,439
a little bit better.

2284
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess based on what you said, he

2285
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:23,119
wouldn't have known at the moment that he that she

2286
01:47:23,359 --> 01:47:25,399
killed him. But then when they're like very early on

2287
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:28,079
is when they find his corpse, and I guess you

2288
01:47:28,119 --> 01:47:29,640
would see them there make the connection.

2289
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:32,520
Speaker 3: So that's that's wh why I took it. Yeah, there

2290
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:32,720
you go.

2291
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:38,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else to shout out, I got my Uh,

2292
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:41,840
just a couple of VFX details I loved when they were.

2293
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:43,600
Speaker 3: New.

2294
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:47,239
Speaker 1: Admiral Lady is like showing Korach just the New Shebang,

2295
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,720
and then they just have these little like crafter robots.

2296
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:53,800
So many things in this movie. I'm like, man, give

2297
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,600
me this, give me this Pandora RTS game right now.

2298
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,239
Like we got multiple factions, now, we got so many

2299
01:47:59,359 --> 01:48:02,920
unique like special units. You know, we got monster units.

2300
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:04,359
Fucking give it to me. You know, we got one

2301
01:48:04,399 --> 01:48:04,840
for Dune.

2302
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:09,159
Speaker 3: I'm ready first person Yeah, friends, heers of Pandora game,

2303
01:48:09,239 --> 01:48:09,800
that's what we're again.

2304
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 1: I want the RTS more so than the FS. I'll

2305
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:17,000
take the FPS operator pack for modern warfare. But yeah,

2306
01:48:17,079 --> 01:48:20,039
there's just especially like we got resources and stuff, you know,

2307
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:22,920
a lot of inhumane resources. But still I just think

2308
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,479
the different trains and stuff like that, especially if we

2309
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:28,439
keep getting these movies. Somebody make this RTS game come

2310
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:34,520
a really good game. I'm down, all right, anything else, no,

2311
01:48:35,399 --> 01:48:40,600
all right, final thoughts, I'll start with Dylan maybe yeah.

2312
01:48:41,319 --> 01:48:44,159
Speaker 2: I mean I don't do numbers, but I would absolutely

2313
01:48:44,199 --> 01:48:47,640
give this a failing grade. And you know, I coming

2314
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:50,800
off the first one watching it again recently, you know,

2315
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:53,439
I don't have great memory for it wasn't super hard on.

2316
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,199
It was really hoping going into this that I'd be

2317
01:48:55,239 --> 01:48:57,960
able to find some of that love for Pandora, But

2318
01:48:58,359 --> 01:49:02,239
I think after seeing just what they're trying to do

2319
01:49:02,359 --> 01:49:05,760
with these movies, I'm I'm checked out at this point.

2320
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:09,720
I don't think I will see three, four, five, six, seven,

2321
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,760
any of these other ones. I'm gonna leave that review

2322
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,760
for you guys. At this point, I just don't think

2323
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:17,760
there's gonna be anything in any of these movies that's

2324
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,680
gonna be for me. There's just there's nothing here. There's

2325
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:24,199
no substance that I'm interested in here. So yeah, really,

2326
01:49:25,319 --> 01:49:27,000
I don't even know if I should say I was disappointed.

2327
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:27,720
I guess I was.

2328
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:28,159
Speaker 1: I was.

2329
01:49:28,319 --> 01:49:30,079
Speaker 2: I was holding on to an inklean of hope that

2330
01:49:30,199 --> 01:49:33,439
I might like this thing. But based on the first one,

2331
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:35,359
I mean, I get maybe that was a fool's hope.

2332
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:40,239
So there you go, failing grade for me on unknown

2333
01:49:40,279 --> 01:49:42,199
which number, but a failing grade number.

2334
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 1: One arbitrary number.

2335
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 3: I'll go next.

2336
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:48,079
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe it will be the more most positive. Yeah,

2337
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:50,960
and like I feel like most of what I've broken

2338
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:55,159
down today is on the negative side. But really I

2339
01:49:55,239 --> 01:49:58,439
feel like maybe that was just things that was easier

2340
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:00,479
to talk about more so than just the visuals here

2341
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:04,880
looked amazing and like, for me, that visual experience, cinematic experience,

2342
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:08,920
it it really was amazing. And I think if you're

2343
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:10,479
a big fan of the first even if you just

2344
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:12,920
like the first movie, I think definitely go check this

2345
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:15,399
one out in theaters. But if you are like Dylan

2346
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:17,079
and you're just kind of I don't know, fifty to

2347
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:18,800
fifty on it, or you just didn't really care for

2348
01:50:19,279 --> 01:50:22,880
the story in general, I don't think it's I don't

2349
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,279
think it's the same effect that the first movie was,

2350
01:50:25,359 --> 01:50:28,399
where it was just everything everyone was talking about. Maybe

2351
01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:29,640
that is going to be the case for like the

2352
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:32,920
next month or or so. I just for me, like

2353
01:50:33,039 --> 01:50:35,239
I didn't have that same effect when I left the

2354
01:50:35,279 --> 01:50:37,960
theater of like, holy fuck, this whole new world Pandora,

2355
01:50:38,079 --> 01:50:39,600
Like this is blowing my mind. And that's really what

2356
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:41,880
I had in the first one. I was still blown

2357
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:44,880
away by the visuals, but still I think just a

2358
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,640
lot of those cringey story character lines, a lot of

2359
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,199
stuff that I've already mentioned so many times. Tonight, it

2360
01:50:51,319 --> 01:50:54,640
just it really did bring that score down significantly, And

2361
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,000
coming into the review, I was more positive on it. Obviously,

2362
01:50:57,079 --> 01:50:58,439
the more we talked about it, the more I was

2363
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,960
kind of reminded of like, oh yeah, that's it really

2364
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:04,319
kind of was nails on chalkboard at this particular moment.

2365
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:07,359
But I'm I'm leaving up, you know, optimistic hope going

2366
01:51:07,399 --> 01:51:10,640
forward in the series that it does get better. But yeah,

2367
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:12,960
I think today I'm gonna give this one a seven

2368
01:51:13,039 --> 01:51:16,439
out of ten, which you know, it's it's still pretty good.

2369
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:18,000
I don't know what letter grade that would be, maybe

2370
01:51:18,079 --> 01:51:20,600
a C or C plus or something like that, because

2371
01:51:21,079 --> 01:51:23,439
because yeah, like for a three hour movie, like Taylor

2372
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:26,720
mentioned and the non spoilers, like, I really didn't feel

2373
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:28,600
the time for this and I really had to pee

2374
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:30,439
at the start of it, but I managed to make it,

2375
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:33,520
made it through, and I was I was really loving

2376
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:36,960
visually that what was going on, and again, you know,

2377
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:39,439
it was enough to buy the end. I actually had

2378
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:41,600
some some tears coming out out of my my wee

2379
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:45,159
little face, So that was, you know, it did something

2380
01:51:45,239 --> 01:51:48,960
where I wasn't just a pH seven where I'm just

2381
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:53,000
feeling absolutely nothing. So yeah, I'm still wanting more Nave,

2382
01:51:53,239 --> 01:51:57,399
more Pandora, but unfortunately, yeah, like a seven just because

2383
01:51:57,439 --> 01:52:00,039
I I just I don't know, I feel like it

2384
01:52:00,039 --> 01:52:03,399
gets a little bit unforgivable some of the writing decisions there,

2385
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:05,199
and who knows, maybe I have more viewings, it'll go,

2386
01:52:05,319 --> 01:52:07,199
it'll ebb and flow go up and down. But today

2387
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:09,520
tis a sevenfield.

2388
01:52:11,279 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 3: So I mean, after talking about it and kind of

2389
01:52:14,039 --> 01:52:18,119
coming to more realizations of some of the errors and

2390
01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:22,239
stuff like that in retrospect, now I don't see it

2391
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:26,039
shaking how I feel about this movie. I feel like,

2392
01:52:26,119 --> 01:52:27,479
after coming out of the gate, I know where I

2393
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:32,039
kind of stand on it, and I love that first movie.

2394
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:33,840
Can I put this above that first movie?

2395
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:34,039
Speaker 1: No?

2396
01:52:34,279 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 3: I can't. So that first movie is easily the ten

2397
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:39,920
out of ten for me, but this one is a

2398
01:52:43,039 --> 01:52:47,079
worthy successor sequel in my opinion, I feel like everything

2399
01:52:47,119 --> 01:52:49,039
that we kind of get to explore is a great

2400
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:57,319
world building experience. I thoroughly enjoy seeing different degrees of

2401
01:52:57,399 --> 01:53:00,800
development with certain characters and just kind of really being

2402
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:04,800
immersed back into this alternative world of Pandora. I think

2403
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,720
it's fascinating and just kind of like them just reaffirming

2404
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:11,159
how humanity fits into here. Because going into this, like

2405
01:53:11,279 --> 01:53:13,960
I had that force awakens feeling like, oh my god,

2406
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:15,920
it's been so long, Like I can't wait to get

2407
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:17,359
in here. Like a couple of people clapped at the

2408
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:19,720
end of my showing, like people like it was definitely

2409
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:23,960
like excitement. So when it was going in, I was

2410
01:53:24,079 --> 01:53:26,199
really curious to see how humanity was going to come

2411
01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:27,800
into this picture, like how they're going to return, what

2412
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:29,359
they're going to do. And so I feel like I

2413
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:31,159
got a lot of questions answered. I got a lot

2414
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:34,319
of kind of the callbacks everything that I'm a huge

2415
01:53:34,359 --> 01:53:38,000
sucker for, which is great, and just hitting different notes

2416
01:53:38,199 --> 01:53:41,920
of nostalgic things that I love in other movies that

2417
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:45,239
they kind of incorporate in here. I totally jibed with,

2418
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:50,680
and overall some of the narratives that they tackled, I

2419
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:53,159
feel like they really they hit where I'm at in

2420
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:55,199
my life. They just they kind of really hit me

2421
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:57,640
extra hard, just kind of like realizing certain things and

2422
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,359
all that kind of stuff. So I definitely had a

2423
01:54:00,079 --> 01:54:02,239
moments where I teared up and thought to you know,

2424
01:54:02,399 --> 01:54:04,600
just thinking of how that these narratives are spun and stuff,

2425
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:07,640
which is really nice. But I would probably give this

2426
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:13,479
a no. I'd probably go like a nine point five.

2427
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,960
I was thinking maybe like a ten, you know, No, No,

2428
01:54:17,079 --> 01:54:18,920
I wouldn't give it a ten. No, because I like

2429
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,479
the first one definitely is is that ten out of ten?

2430
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,640
Because I feel like for me it was paceball, that's

2431
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:27,600
a go check out a retrospective. But this one it

2432
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:30,000
was smaller scale, and I like how you guys kind

2433
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:31,840
of alluded to that that this is like the bridge

2434
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:35,159
between that third one and that third one is like

2435
01:54:35,239 --> 01:54:37,079
the one I really want to get to, and no

2436
01:54:37,239 --> 01:54:39,159
flack or anything against this one, like I think the

2437
01:54:39,159 --> 01:54:42,399
one one was longest bridge. Yeah, this one was definitely

2438
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:49,039
a condensed, smaller version of whatever they're trying to explain.

2439
01:54:49,039 --> 01:54:50,760
Computed that first one. The first one, I mean, we

2440
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:53,159
had thousands of NAVI, it was huge. It was a big,

2441
01:54:53,479 --> 01:54:56,239
like epic adventure covering different areas. This one was much

2442
01:54:56,319 --> 01:54:58,479
more Okay, we're in the helle You mountains and then

2443
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:01,079
we're in the water. Are that's it. So it was

2444
01:55:01,239 --> 01:55:04,800
very much more small scale to that degree, with the

2445
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:09,279
biggest battle really just being the boat scene compared to

2446
01:55:09,399 --> 01:55:13,720
what we got in the previous one. So yeah, then

2447
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:15,880
whatever they're setting up for that third one, I'm down,

2448
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,000
I'm there. I'm seeing that there's like a nine hour

2449
01:55:18,079 --> 01:55:20,600
cut that James Cameron's turning in and I am so

2450
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:24,439
all for that, Like I'd sit for nine hours for that.

2451
01:55:26,079 --> 01:55:28,319
But yeah, like, I'm glad it's filmed because I think

2452
01:55:28,359 --> 01:55:30,079
that'd be the kicker if it wasn't filmed already, then

2453
01:55:30,079 --> 01:55:32,159
I think would be if this movie doesn't do good,

2454
01:55:32,199 --> 01:55:33,880
we'd be in hot water. But it's already filmed, so

2455
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:36,960
I think that hopefully we'll get it because I've been

2456
01:55:37,039 --> 01:55:40,520
jipped before with I get the sequel like Independence Day,

2457
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:42,920
Resurgence and stuff like that. I get these sequels and

2458
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,479
they set up the third one, but they never execute

2459
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:46,520
it because it doesn't do well.

2460
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:48,439
Speaker 2: Any sequels.

2461
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:52,039
Speaker 3: There's uh three really one, two and three, and then

2462
01:55:52,039 --> 01:55:54,880
there's a new like spinoff remake of fourth one, so.

2463
01:55:55,079 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 1: New Willy Willy's back Willy.

2464
01:55:58,359 --> 01:56:01,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, the Willie Awakens.

2465
01:56:02,119 --> 01:56:04,319
Speaker 3: I was just say, I my last not year. I

2466
01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:06,279
have my tickets to go see it again this weekend,

2467
01:56:06,439 --> 01:56:09,159
and I highly recommend to go see it in theaters.

2468
01:56:09,479 --> 01:56:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, say worked tonight, So I gotta go see

2469
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:14,399
it again with her and again. I guess that'll be

2470
01:56:14,479 --> 01:56:17,119
the barometer test one where I am at on a

2471
01:56:17,199 --> 01:56:20,479
second viewing there, I am curious just how it does,

2472
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:23,279
like financially right, because I think that was kind of

2473
01:56:23,319 --> 01:56:25,199
the running thing, like if it just doesn't make money,

2474
01:56:25,439 --> 01:56:27,640
like you know, I think they will just do three

2475
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:31,439
and be done. But we'll see if it has that effect.

2476
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:34,159
But thank you gentlemen for joining me tonight. That was

2477
01:56:34,439 --> 01:56:37,199
It was a long one. Still still an hour plus

2478
01:56:37,279 --> 01:56:39,119
if you're trying to time it with the movie. But

2479
01:56:39,279 --> 01:56:42,239
still we uh, we did a pretty good job breaking

2480
01:56:42,279 --> 01:56:45,079
it down. Thank you Dylan for for getting through this

2481
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,359
super super long movie that you'll probably watch again. But still,

2482
01:56:48,439 --> 01:56:50,359
it was a pleasure of having you on again.

2483
01:56:50,479 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna watch it with mudst no. She she

2484
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:56,159
was like, what's your quick review? And she's like, oh,

2485
01:56:56,279 --> 01:56:57,720
I'm glad I didn't go see it.

2486
01:57:00,119 --> 01:57:00,359
Speaker 3: Right on?

2487
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:03,199
Speaker 1: All right, ladies and gentlemen. Links are all down below.

2488
01:57:03,239 --> 01:57:05,000
All the plugs were said in the beginning, thank you

2489
01:57:05,159 --> 01:57:07,840
for joining us, and we will see you next time.

2490
01:57:08,199 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 3: Bye.