Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, to another GV review episode. This
is gonna be a big one. Pandora size, NAVI size.
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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm new Marcaster Delmas.
Speaker 3: I'm the free Willie taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, just the three of us tonight.
No Travis, he's very, very upset that he didn't get
a you know, get to see some Pandora action opening night.
But he'll be he'll be seeing it in the next
week or so. So if you're curious what his thoughts are,
stay tuned on those feeds or whatnot on his Twitter
and all that stuff. But we are here, Yeah, talk
about Avatar The Way of Water. We're gonna classic fashion.
We're gonna start with a non spoilers review portion and
then lead into spoiler free We're gonna break down this
three hour plus action packed adventure. But before we get
all that, we got some housekeeping. Just yeah, quick plugs
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length of the movie, but still I think it's good
time to just dive right in.
Speaker 3: Do it.
Speaker 1: Let's dive all right. I I'm gonna start with Dylan here.
What did you think of Avatar The Way of Water?
Were you dressed up in blue paint tonight? Did you
have your tail? Were you ready to go?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I did not know Avatar The Way of the Water.
This is, without a doubt, one of the worst movies
I've seen in at least this year, maybe I'm gonna
say last three four years. This is a horrible movie
as far as I'm concerned. I think as a movie itself,
we'll talk about the reasons why it sucks. But as
a sequel, I think this is horrible as probably one
of the worst sequels I've ever seen in terms of
following up on what its predecessor has done. You know,
we've been meming a lot the last couple of weeks
here there was like a some DC scoops where like
Patty Jenkins, you know, is doing her wonder Woman thing,
and she sent an email to her execs which was
like a Wikipedia link for character arcs or something like that.
She should have fucking CC James Cameron on that email,
because this movie is devoid of any interesting character work
from anyone from the first movie, and then they just
throw a bunch of new ones in here. I feel
like there's an issue. I have a lot with a
lot of movies, it's even games and TV in particularly
few years, as we've been watching a million things, which
is that when something is not very well written, they
tend to just like include a bunch of characters in
the movies that are like kids of another character, or
it's a parent, or it's a cousin, whatever it may be.
That way, they just kind of inflate stakes into it,
so that if a character is kidnapped or killed instantly
has a lot more meaning. And I don't really bring
this up much, but something that has been bothering me
the last couple of years, and that's just done so often.
I think this is the worst case of that where
they just throw all sorts of new characters in there
that don't really have any depth whatsoever, and it also
takes away from what these previous characters were just so
that you can have these artificial stakes. But since there's
no effective writing or like intrigue to these characters, I
just I don't care about any of them. The only
reason that these scenes have any any sort of stakes
whatsoever is because they are a familiar They're, you know,
a family member, they have some in common with another
character in the movie, and I think that's unfortunately pretty lazy.
So yeah, I think for me, my favorite part of
the movie is the five minutes I took to go
to the bathroom, because this movie is long as fuck.
And maybe the last thing I'll say before we can
hopefully get you guys with some positivity in here, is
that this movie feels very disconnected to me, in that
the first half of it, which is an hour and
a half is the length of a whole movie, is
just pretty much like a bunch of little five minute
scenes that felt like they could have been shorts, like
they are completely disconnected from each other. It's just this
little moment, and then the second half movie is just
this one sequence that's fucking super long and doesn't really
get interested at any point. But the problem with both
of these is that those shorts, as I'm calling them,
in the first half of the movie, none of them have
any tension because they're all these super quick sequences that
they never really build it up. And then the second
half of the movies, when they're doing the thing where
they cut back and forth between different characters, they try
and build it up, but at that point, I'm already
so checked out and I'm already have a movies length
into this thing that I just couldn't get into it
at that point. And I think, I mean, this movie
did it for me quick. It was the first ten
to fifteen minutes where I won't say what it is
exactly for the spoiler's sake of it, but it just
immediately put me down the wrong road and I was like,
this is a horrible direction ago and then it never
really got any more interesting. And unfortunately, I just feel
like the setting of this, you know, the way of
the water, the ocean setting, is not really done for
any purpose that lends to the greater world or story
or these characters. It's just because James Cameron has a
heart on for the ocean. That's like the only reason
we went to this new setting. And it sucks because then,
like all that stuff from the first movie that you
take this time to build up, they just kind of
throw out the window for no purpose. And then this
movie doesn't really have an ending either, so that kind
of sucks, especially when you're in the chair for three
hours long. So maybe I'll keep it at that for now,
because I know the Avatar fans have already exited out
of this podcasus because they don't like to hear all
my negativity. So hopefully one or both of you are
much more positive than me. Did field ship.
Speaker 3: I mean, hence my nickname. I feel like this was
like a culmination of a few different huh films, non spoilery,
non spoilery of course, but like I feel like you have, like.
Speaker 1: I say, since my name and I'm like, where's he
going with this? Like I have no idea what your
name is? Like, have you never what your name was?
Speaker 2: Already?
Speaker 1: You have?
Speaker 3: Either of you?
Speaker 1: I know the purpose but likes Cameron movie? No, No,
is it James Cameron movie?
Speaker 2: Are you trolling me?
Speaker 3: It's not? But I feel uh in terms of this movie,
it's it's it's tricky what I say. I put the
first one about it. Yes, I would one of your
favorite movies of all time. Yes, absolutely to me, Like
I don't, I don't. I don't feel that there was
ever a point in time watching this movie that I
thought like I need to like look at the clock,
or like, god, this is so long, or anything like that,
which is definitely good. There were some moments like probably
my only real con was in certain action sequences. I
actually feel like they said it to like two time
speed because I was like, this seems like there's something
isn't like right here with the acceleration of certain actions.
Speaker 2: Weird looking boats in this movie?
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 2: A lot of weird looking boats in this movie?
Speaker 3: Boats lending what you were? Whose boat was? It? Is
my question? But yeah, I just I think that everything
that they were trying to do, like, there were some
things that were loose ends. There were some other things
that I I kind of nitpicked in question, but it
wasn't enough to take away my overall enjoyment and experience
for this. I'm a very big sucker for callbacks for
things and being a long period of time. Again, that's
not justification or that's only my own personal bias. Being
such a long period of time between the first movie
and this movie, getting a whole bunch of callbacks to
locations and just mentions and dialogue and stuff like that,
I'm a sucker for it. So it just wrote me
in I'm leaning forward, like, oh, there's that, and then
there's this thing. Holy shit, Like I'm not saying that
out loud, but I'm saying it in my head.
Speaker 2: The lady nexting, Oh my god, she was narrating this
whole thing. It was Jake sully narration, and her narration
never ended.
Speaker 3: There were people that kept like popping their phones out,
but they were taking pictures of the movie screen. It
was very peculiar choice. Yeah, but I like, all in all,
like I will say, I actually, I really really did
enjoy this. I know I'm kind of like if sounds
like a beat around the bush or kind of hesitant,
but no, all in all, I enjoyed it. Did it
have some problems, Yes it did, but it was a
beautiful movie. I was a very big sucker for what
they were just doing story wise, even though it was
very much identical to the first one just re skinned
in a different esthetic because they even use the movie
scores from the first one at certain key points that
were again those same key points in this movie throughout
the same duration. So yeah, that's again it's not a
big takeaway because I just love being in this world
and I think it was. It was a good sequel.
And I can't tell you how badly I want that
that third one. Holy shit, do I ever want that
third one? So I'm glad it's filmed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Do you guys both see in
three D?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: What do you guys think of it? Yeah? What about
you don't?
Speaker 2: Yah?
Speaker 1: Big big three D guy.
Speaker 2: I found it other didn't really feel like anything new
or innovative, groundbreaking.
Speaker 1: I really don't like three D movies, but I must
say I I really really love the three D of
this movie. I don't know what it was. It just
seemed like the refresh rate or something. It like seemed
better than like what two D movies are, and like
that's something that I kind of had to get adjusted to. You.
I told Dylan off cast that, like the first ten
minutes it hit me. My bladder was knocking, and I
was like, fuck, why did I not pre pre go
to the bathroom before this, I knew I was getting
myself into. And then the three D was bothering me
initially too, in like the first few minutes, and I
was just kind of like upset. I'm like, oh no,
this is gonna be a three hour just just train wreck,
cause I'm like, my eyes are already bugging me. And
then and then, and like I will say, I feel
like my my yeah, no, I don't even want to
say I'm gonna say that for spoilers, but just like
in the early stages of the movie watching I was
just totally bummed. And then luckily that just kind of like,
I don't know, I think the wrinkles just got ironed
out and I totally got into this movie. I definitely
I can safely say that I like the first movie more,
probably by like quite a bit, but like, honestly, I
still think this is a solid enjoyment. I had a
lot of issues with the story stuff, so I am
excited to unravel that. And I definitely think Dylan is
his parents some of his assessments on just like the
sequel side of it, it was just like it it
just seemed really disconnected and yeah, like the early stages
of the movie, I was, like I said, I was upset,
but it was just like oh no, like, oh no,
what are we doing story wise here? Like I think
really the main threat of this film was probably my
biggest like downfall with it. And again, like I'll go
into more specifics, but and like again going back to
a more positive side, I just I was blown away
the entire movie with just how good the visual effects look.
Like like Taylor, you mentioned a couple of moments where
it just seemed like kind of speedy. I had no
issues at any point in this movie. I thought everything
looked so damn good. And again, I feel like that's
something that I just got really into, like the three D,
Like everything just looked very, very crisp and all like
all of the Yeah, just the vfx. I was completely
blown away. And although I have issues with the story,
fortunately for me, just like the pure beauty and like
adventure what this movie had, I was totally in on it.
I think my favorite part was probably somewhere in the middle.
I'll go to more specifics, you know, when we get
to the spoiler section, But yeah, I was pretty upset
with with our main threat but overall just such a
visually beautiful movie and one that I would honestly recommend
to people like seeing this in like a three D
theatrical experience, because I just I enjoyed it so much
my group of friends, I say, my friends, I want
my parents and my cousin. But still we all had
a good time with it. And yeah, like I I
think I'll just leave it there because I do want
to get into some of these these story moments. I
guess my last few things I could say is I
did like the new cast that we met, but yeah,
I think we could have gone a little bit deeper.
But yeah, I think I'll leave it there right now.
It's I don't know, I'm not super over the moon
with it, but I'm I'm definitely enough to pass it.
I think that's a little bit spoiler for my review
or my number. I'll give it later. Anything else, gentlemen,
before we get into our spoiler section or you want
to jump.
Speaker 2: In, I'll say a couple of things. I kind of
memed on the boat of the boat when there's a
couple of boats that I got astray and I thought
it looked awful, But that was truly the only thing
that did look bad in terms of the visuals of it.
Like I said, it wasn't like anything groundbreaking for me,
I don't feel like that was the case, but it was.
It did still look good, and I think for me too,
I really wanted to see this in theaters. If you
go back to our retro, I had never seen the
first one in theaters, and then I watched it again
just recently, and I just really could not connect with
the story or character really anything, honestly. And you know,
one thing you guys talked about the route, and I
think I've heard in general is that like, oh, the
theatrical experience was like elevates it so much, and so
I was hopeful that that would be the case for
me here. But I'm I mean, they're like the story
sucks and the characters aren't really well written, so like
it don't it doesn't really matter if I'm seeing on
the big screen and it looks better and this and
the speakers are better or something like. For me, that
didn't really do it. So I guess if anyone listening
or retro and they're the same boat as me or
I'm very curious on Travis because he and I were
in a similar boat as well. If you were in
that boat, you're not really a big fan of that
first one. I don't really feel like going to the
theater experience is so mind blowing that it's gonna get
you over the hump of there not really being any
sort of intriguing story here and really it just being
kind of a rehash of the first movie again in
terms of that story. So I guess that would be
my recommendation, But I realize I am far in the
outlier category in terms of avatar fandom, so my opinion
might just be for a more niche, you know, selection
of the audience that might be looking to our spoiler
free section before they check out themselves.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Taylor, I would absolutely recommend this for a theater.
I just think that the when you take the visuals
stacked with just like the level of sound and the score,
like there's just so much to pop off and really
just soak in. I mean, I don't know how big
they make TVs nowadays and people's homes. I guess they
can get pretty pretty big, But like, are they movie
theater pig as big as the money they will? Yeah,
So go go see it. In theaters because I mean, like,
you guys touched upon it already, but that three D,
Like I I don't know if it was just the
fact that I haven't seen a three D movie in
a long time or whatnot, Like it took a minute
just to kind of adjust my eyes to it. But
once they were showcasing the world and things were moving around,
I thought, oh, this is just this is the the
Be's Knees, the Pandora.
Speaker 1: Box again to your buddy next year. Yeah, some random dude,
stop talking to me.
Speaker 3: It's the bes Knees right.
Speaker 1: Right on? All right, uh lady, and tell them we're
gonna go to our first ad break and we'll be
back to dive into the spoiler section. So here we go.
All right, we are wet and wild and ready to go.
Where do you guys want to start?
Speaker 3: I have one pitch. It's a quick one if you
guys are interested. So maybe i'll kind of if they
go back to Pandora, it'll segue into into Miles Carwitch's character.
But I can never say his last name right but
just yet, Okay, we'll talk more about it, but yes,
he's back. Just I was not expecting the openings like
his opening scene.
Speaker 2: Like you're not anymore.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm glad you're starting here. Okay, yes,
So this was in that period where my three D
goggles they weren't fully adjusting to my eyes yet I
really had to pee. I was like, oh, I got
I'm I'm like four minutes into this this three hour venture,
this is not going to be great. And then it's
just like I feel like this is where the Paccene
was the most egregious for me, was in this early
stage of just like fast forwarding like what that star
and then it just has this like human sequence of
them coming to Earth. It's like basically the opening to
the first movie. And it was just like okay, like
like like what what's going on here? Like like this
is so rapid speed of just like now is our
protagonist really like the humans? But in like the Blue Form,
which is like just a spin on what it was
in the first movie. And I was just oh, I
really didn't love that stuff. And really it just it
just kept going throughout the movie. I was hinting towards it,
uh my non spoilers, the human as like the threat
and them just the entire time that the camera was
like with our human characters. I really really did not
like that at all. I was so bummed out about it. Fortunately,
like I said, like my my highlight of it was
kind of in the middle. We were just in like
the water realm and like they were just not even
on screen for a good amount of time. But man,
like yeah, I was. I was so bummed out, and
I I love the memes about like Coorige and you know,
we're not Bend or yeah this what's it? What's the line? Yeah? Anymore,
we're in Bend Aura. Like he's literally just meming. He's
saying the exact same lines from the first movie, and
it's it's like satirical where they're like making fun of themselves.
And it was just so strange that this is, like
I know, he's not our protagonist, but at that point
of the movie, like it's just kind of following him
and like he's basically in the same position that Jake
Sully was in. It was just I really really didn't
like that story decision at all. I think they could
have made this movie without that threat. Maybe like you
could get the humans back, but like maybe in then,
like it just it was so rush for me. And
that I Yeah, I can completely agree with everyone that
does not like that story decision because I definitely don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was chasing my jujubi in this movie. I
was looking for that scene, that golden scene where he
got to really chew the scenery and all that, and
I don't feel like I ever really got that. Like
he has that line, which is you know, fun. We
memed on that line a lot on our retro and
on the twenty four hour stream and all that, but
I didn't feel like I ever got a moment with
him that was like taking me back to the enjoyment
of him being in over the top chewing the scenery
kind of villain.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also the decision of it in general was kind of weird.
But yeah, that was like where I checked out and
then there was nothing that really brought me back in.
Was that, Like they just red con the whole first
movie right, Like that was such a strange decision to me,
that the whole first movie is them fighting them off
and then in minutes they come back with what appears
to be the to my memory, I watched the first
movie like, you know, a month ago, like the exact
same tech they'd like the same machinery in that and
then we're we just assume that they just instantly won
and we just skip a year later. That was horrible
like that, it didn't make any sense to me, completely
took away from what the whole first movie's story is.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could ever go back to that
first one and find it intriguing now knowing that all
of this is for nothing and we're not actually gonna
really see like what turned the tide. It's just like, okay,
they did, the humans came back, they won, and then
at the end of this movie, you don't get this.
You don't get the solution either. A couple of characters die,
one really important one, the rest like not all the
humans are still there and we're gonna keep doing this
in three four five really just spin wheels, not go anywhere.
So yeah, that that was a very very bizarre decision
for me.
Speaker 3: The the intro for me, I was totally on board
with it because it just we got our we got
our exposition, we got just the brace period of just
being in Pandora and just leading into okay, like this
times lost that battle though, and like the humans when
the humans returned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't need to know what I lost. The ship's
just coming down with the repulse, like were propulsion engines,
like it just decimated. So like visually, I could see
clearly why the Navy had to back out. And at
this point, I think it was only the Midikaya people
like Jake Sully's clan that was really doing like heist
missions and stuff like that. I think the rest of
the clans were all kind of keeping to themselves and
doing their own things. So I mean, and with how
many ships and how much like force they came back with,
it doesn't surprise me that like they had to kind
of hunker down. The humans were just like left, right,
and center. They were everywhere, So that kind of like
filled in that questionnaire for me. But again, like I
like the exposition of just leading into it and that
sequence when he like looks up and you see the
star and you do see all those ships, I was like,
holy fuck, like humans, man, what the fuck? And uh,
it just got it like amped up more when yeah,
all the creatures were burning and forest is just like destroyed,
and I just thinking the ties crying and the tear
has had it rough. She's had a fucking rough. Everything's
always on fire in her life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it I feel like I don't think Dylan is
that wrong in saying that, Like this really brings down
a lot of the stakes that the first movie had.
Like I really love the first movie. I don't think this,
like this decision is enough for me to like not
not be able to rewatch that just because I like
the visuals and the like just yeah, like like what
goes on in that first movie, but like just the
fact that they're just like instantly back, It's like why
why did they even like let them go in the
first place. I guess you can make the argument they're
just they're better than humans and like they're letting me go.
Speaker 3: But you say instantly, but it wasn't instantly, Like this
was a span of almost like fifteen twenty years.
Speaker 1: Of coming back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it took them like five years to get
leave Pandora go back to Earth and then then another
uh you look at the kids age when they had
the kids, add like ten years then five years turn back.
Speaker 1: I think it was just like when they arrived, it
was just like, well we're just it's like ten times
up the Annie and like this is where I like
I I was kind of making like satirical references of
like our Miles Core. I'm gonna use his first name
now now that I know it, Miles Korch Corridge Korych, Yeah,
with a te the Coorach character. And he's just you know,
the exact same again, but now he's in the blue
skin and he has this like video call that of course,
like his previous self just like gave him the instructions
like if you're reading this now, Like that's where it
was just like.
Speaker 2: The same thing too, where he's like, what am I
supposed to say you to this thing?
Speaker 1: Yes? And that's where it's like he's the exact same characters,
Jake Sully, Like this is so strange, And yeah, I was.
I was hopeful to like get a lot of like
happy meme moments from this movie, but unfortunately it just
really didn't go that route. I felt like they try
to make him like a little bit more human and
like a bit of a I don't know, he's got
like he's not such a piece of shit. He is
a piece of shit, but he's not as much of
a piece of shit as you thought. And I feel
like it's just it's such a weird decision to do
with that character.
Speaker 2: It's I mean the character. We talked about this in
our retro once again that he really had no depth
in that first movie, right, He's just he's maybe kind
of funny villain. He's kind of like a badass whatever.
So it's like, okay, well, what's the decision to bring
him back? And I was assuming when we were talking
about this and the trailers and stuff that Okay, we
know he's coming back. It's weird he's in a NAVI body.
I thought like maybe he'd be part of it or something,
but like, no, he is the lead villain.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: You could say there's an other sergeant lady who makes
some decisions, but she gets five minutes of screen time
in a three hour long movie, so she's pretty much worthless.
So it's just him and yeah, once again, the only
thing that's new you mentioned like he's he's got no appearance.
You know, he's rocking the Navvy body. But the only
other difference is that, once again, to add artificial stakes,
they gave him some son who I don't know if
I want to talk about that now, but that is
the fucking we say some of those things I have
seen like in a long time and weird character. So
it's like that that doesn't look for me at all,
and then you get forced moments of of course, of
course you know from the moment you see that interaction
that at some point there's gonna be the moment when
he calls him son and oh it's just nothing unexpected
ever happened generally in this movie, I would say, but
particularly with that character. And it was just a very
puzzling decision to bring him back. I do not understand.
I do not understand that decision.
Speaker 1: Tay, what do you think about him and being back?
Speaker 3: I just look, the sun is like the name of him.
Apparently he was an Avengers Endgame, which.
Speaker 2: He looked a little bit familiar, but like.
Speaker 1: The actor apparently at Jack Champion, Jack Champion.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but anyways, yeah, so about is that.
Speaker 2: The kid from Iron Man? Or am I going crazy?
He's too young?
Speaker 3: I have to figure out. I'm very curious now. But yeah,
when it comes to Miles being back, I didn't I
didn't need him to return. I think I was a
pretty big advocate for that on the retro and you know,
Travis proved me right. I'll give him that like they
brought him back like holy ship, that they can bring
anyone back. And when we got him, I thought, Okay,
this is a pretty cool concept that sure enough they
just shoehorned in there just the scene where he did
his memories and all that jazz like grew body for
him and everything like that. I thought it was actually
a very cool thing because when it led to that
scene where he's standing over his dead like human skeleton
and he's looking at the skull, I thought then that
this should be such a really trippy thing just to like,
you're you, but you're You've your your memorials to a
certain point and then this other version of using existed.
I don't know, it's just it's super super trippy, very
very trippy, and I like that it was just kind
of an alternative human way of creating. Uh, like you
guys have said it, it's just equivalent to Jake Sully
and his adventure, but uh, how Jake Sully's mind and
consciousness is transferred into his avatar and just how they
were able to just put this consciousness in and upload
it into an avatar directly just very wild, very wild.
But I love that kind of dynamic.
Speaker 2: I think the kid is when ant Man wakes up
and he's walking through the neighborhood that's kind of post apocalyptic,
trying to find his daughter on the bike. I think,
oh shit, in the world, he's the next is always
all done in the two like biggest movies. You know
he's going to be the next one if this movie
is successful.
Speaker 1: Like it's zero point one percent royalties or something that's going.
Speaker 2: To be apparently Diesels in this movie too. I guess
he would be one of those people as well.
Speaker 1: I saw his name in there. Yeah I didn't see
like a like what the character was.
Speaker 3: He probably played on the Whales or something like that
good voice actor. But yeah, with Miles being back in here,
when I saw it, I embraced and I welcomed it.
I thought it was totally okay, and I enjoyed seeing
him do what he does best. I liked that The
difference this time though, is just he kept having to
remind himself that, hey, like, I'm not who that other
guy was, Like, I don't have relationship to this boy,
even though I have the memories in this emotional connection
to him. But at the same time, I like that
there's this underlying development where maybe he might turn and
actually maybe more like an anti hero kind of thing,
And if they capitalize more on that in this then
I think that would have been a lot better instead
of the whole movie being focused on him just being
a repeat of his previous self. In Avatar one, we
got what I felt like, the little bit of turning
points when he cared about his son, when before the
Tiery could kill his son, and at the very very
end too, when he flew off. I feel like there
was even like maybe a little bit of a flash
of a moment there. But I think that they needed
to kind of make a little bit more space for
that in this film, and that would have been a
little bit better. And in terms of him being the
main main bad I thought it was cool seeing these
military grunts being Avatar bodies and stuff like that based
off what Jake Silly was, but I think having a
more of a focus on the whaling aspect and just
what humans are doing here. Humans are like, Hey, we
need to take over this planet because Earth is pretty
much dead, so we need to take this planet now,
and we're going to be hunting the whales because this
biologically immortal stuff now essentially Istum, Yeah, basically, so this
planet is a gold mine.
Speaker 2: Similar to that, Like, is this the only planet they
could possibly go to? Because I understand wanting to go
there for the you know, the whale juice, But wouldn't
it make more sense to go to a planet that
you can actually breathe on if you're trying to support
a civilization, especially a planet that has already you've tried
to go to and fucking lost, and then also the
plant to go there and just kill all life that's
there and expect that the planet will just be okay
if you do that. That that seemed like just kind
of a throwaway line to me. I don't know if
there's really much more depth to that grand plan.
Speaker 3: I think it's this At this point, I guess we
can only really take the movie universe and that this
is the only other habitable planet within the like five
par sects of Earth or whatever you want to call it.
So I that's why I can really go by Yeah,
so yeah.
Speaker 2: But it's not a not habitable like they can't live
around their own they have to like, well, why can't
they just go to some other place instead?
Speaker 1: Is that what they were like, is that what the
military lady was saying too, like it's not just about
mining anymore, like the like the planet's dying, so we're
just like moving, Yeah, we're moving essentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't even really take it that
the whalers were related to that plan from that Sergeant's
making money.
Speaker 3: The whalers were like the equivalent to yeah, the mining people,
like they're the mine operation, the obtainium that was paying
for the whole thing. And now, okay, let's just jumped
to this other thing now where this new brain goop
is basically cosmeticians. Cosmeticians, cause the cosmetics industry is just
fucking booming now because of this fucking juice.
Speaker 2: So the juice, Yeah, I want to get Sorry, we
quickly go back to what we're talking about, the villain.
Another thing too, that because Kirkling you brought this up
a couple times now, that they just kind of made
him like a Jake solely mirror essentially.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: The other thing that really rubbed me the wrong way
is that the first movie tried to make such a
big deal of Jake, I guess not being able to
just take over those dragon creatures. So I don't know,
the name of anything in here, because like how efficiently
or how quickly he's able to do it, in the
fact that maybe he was the first non actual indigenous
person who's able to do it. I forget exactly what
that plot point is, but it was still like a
difficult thing for him, and it's not like day two
in his avatar body. He was able to do that,
whereas this guy is, which was super strange to me
because part of it too, is that everything on Pandora
is connected, and you know, Jake solely has such a
love for this planet. I think that's part of the
reason why he was able to do that, is because
he has a connection with this place. But obviously the
sergeant guy doesn't Miles I guess his name, It doesn't
care at all about any of this. And the fact
that he was able to control the dragon within thirty
seconds seemed like one puts a huge slash in that
moment from Jake from the first movie, but also just
doesn't really make sense. And then we also don't get
like a compelling scene where he's using the dragon in
a very cool way, like we see the dragon pop
up a couple times, but that seems like another weird
plot point there that once again is just like slashing
the tires of the first movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that one definitely like bothered me when we
were leading up to it because I just saw it like, Okay,
I know where we're going now, and then as Susie
popped up there and then he's just got his gun,
it's just like and yeah, we haven't even talked about
the kid yet, but he's just like, oh, Jake Solely
could do it like instantly or like like babies could
do this instantly. He's like, oh yeah, well, oh my gun,
I'm gonna go do this, And it was just, yeah,
I agree with with Dylan because that that was such
a big moment like in that first movie of Jake
Solely like being like the one that like this is
what proves that he's actual like like a yeah, like whatever,
the full term is, like he's one with the people now.
This is like his last trial to like actually be
a hunter. And then this guy just like Ranger Rick
goes in there just just grand theft autos this thing,
and I was like while it was happening, I'm like, well,
maybe it's just because he's like such a badass, you know,
he's like such a rambo, like he's just so mentally
strong that maybe he just wins that mental battle over him.
But then Dylan brought up the good point that like
everything in this world should just be like connected to
AWA and just like like the whole living organism. And
like the reason why Jake Sully was able to do
was because he fully reached into that. So I was
like trying to like like I don't know, explain it
in my head on just like how this guy, well,
you know, he's just a really tough, badass military guy,
so he just like dominated the mind of this creature.
But I don't know, I think I was stretching, uh
by doing that, Taylor, what were you think?
Speaker 3: I enjoyed this scene a lot because the differences that
I understood this or took it as with Jake Sully
going through this whole initiation, the appreciation he developed, that
respect for this initiation to go in and form that bond,
whereas you have Miles coming in here and just like
a like a human he just shits all over this
ritual and just you know, fuck it, like I'm just
gonna go in and do it. And you in terms
of having that mental kind of capacity. I don't. I
don't know if that's how it works per se. Again,
I'm not an expert on how craziness works, but I
think all you got to do is just seal the
bond and just connect your hair piece to them, and
that's it. I don't know if you need to have
a lot of mental will over them. I think all
you got to do is just connect and it's like, okay,
whatever I say goes.
Speaker 2: So when you go back to the first movie, then
are you gonna feel like that's an interesting scene? It's like, oh, actually,
this is none of this really mattered. This is all
just kind of extra fluff. I get to this point,
eh whatever, who cares? Well he could have just done
it at any point anyway.
Speaker 3: Oh, he totally could have. Absolutely. I think that's the
difference between these scenes is just his appreciation and respect
for this ritual and this process, whereas with Miles here
and like other people like yeah, you can just go
off and go and do it, which you you know
you can, but it's you're just your you're a disgrace,
like you're just you know, you you're grand theft autoing
it like you have no like status or anything like that.
You're just using the land and using these things for
your own personal gain, whereas with Jake Sully it's so
much more than that. And so that's the difference here,
and I think that's one of the things that I
liked In this parallel kind of thing where you have
Miles and Jake going through the same kind of journey,
Miles is showing more of like the side of what
if Jake didn't latch on and Jake was just abusing
it and just going through it instead of transitioning, And
that's the difference between Miles and Jake and this where
Miles was showing slight turning points, it wasn't enough that,
you know, he didn't go full Jake, you know, so
two sides of the coin.
Speaker 1: I think my big biggest issue with it is like, Okay, yeah,
it's one thing like Miles going up there and doing it,
but then like the next scene just his whole squad
like has them, and it's I don't know, I feel
like for me, I would have just been able to
digest it a little bit easier if they like incorporate
some sort of human tech on like this is how
they're actually domesticating these things, like I don't know, they
put some sort of brain emitter thing on there and
then like it just it just makes it easier to
get that connection. I think that would have just been
easier for me to just because Okay, like Miles, he
says the line like we're going full Navi here. You know,
we're gonna be speaking the language, We're gonna be riding
the animal, all these things. But it's like, okay, well,
I had like basically Get three. I don't know how long.
I think it was two hours and forty five minute,
but like a full journey with Jake Sully on by
the end of that movie, I believe that he like
he is really one with with the planet, and I
just feel like they really try to speed that with
this new Spec Ops force and like I don't know,
like I like on one side the coin though, like
I do like that whole idea of like like from
the first movie with Jake Sully was like the first
Warrior Avatar, and now we just have this whole crew
of like Specops and like from the get go, like
like they are a military force and they like they
all work together. I think it's a really fun concept.
It's just I don't know, I think the delivery of
it was was pretty messy there. So then like that
that's where like in hindsight for this movie in general,
like I really liked it for the most part, but
there's just things that kind of bring it down, which
will probably like if I want to rewatch it, it's
just like, oh, yeah, that was such a great moment,
but like, fuck, I'm gonna have to get through this
like situation. It's just it really sucks for someone like
me who really likes this world. It's just like, oh,
it's like that's forever gonna be something that I have
to get through to the experiences again. And I mean
I haven't even mentioned all my grimes yet, but well.
Speaker 2: I think it kind of makes the that particular creature,
which to my perspective is like one of the you know,
apex predators are smartest creatures, just seem like kind of
a lifeless bot, right, Like you can just stick your
thing in it and control it like all will and
ilian and literally less than a minute if you're strong enough,
I guess. Whereas you know, like they I don't know,
they haven't done a brain scan of that creature. So
I don't know, but when they're talking about doing the
brain scan on the whale creature, how like how how
smart they are, how they they have mathematics and philosophy
and these deep languages and this massive emotional center in
their brain. I would think that that would be the
case for or other like strong creatures on this planet,
that they aren't just like Dufest robots. And so you know,
part of it too, is like if they're just taking
all those dragon creatures and just going around killing nave
who are people that these creatures have a great affection for,
like that, that seems like, okay, well, I guess this
creature isn't so special. Then it's just like a rock
essentially that you can take over and do whatever you
want with. So I think that that maybe takes a
bit away from it for me too, And what's to
stop them from doing this with like any other creature
At this point, maybe the whales are truly the only
creature that are that smart on this planet, and the
rest of them are all just a bunch of Dodo
birds I guess, a bunch of rocks.
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: Speaking of rocks, I don't know if you guys were
I was confused by this for a good couple scenes.
One of those like goons on the boat is like
a huge dude who's bald and has rock like tattoos.
I'm probably the Rock Johnson here. There was a couple
scenes there was like, is Dwinge the Rock Johnson in
here into some random this is very very strange choice
he's talking about. Don't know if he ever actually has
like a line of dialogue. But did you guys notice
that guy too or I think he had a couple
of grunts A couple yeah, yeah, like just those have.
Speaker 1: No Yeah, I noticed that guy too, and he was,
I don't know, really noticeable. I think probably because of
all of his ink. He just stood out more so
than the other henchmen on the on the ship. There
just a couple of things I wanted to fire up
before I forgot about them. Was I mentioned like the
the satire elements that I got from Ranger Rick, but
also just with like the humans getting back, like that
first movie really hit on the like hit the nail
on the head that Okay, humans are bad and we're
the enemy. And by the other movie, we are the
sky people, we are the invaders, we are the aliens,
so they sent us away. But like when they first arrived,
and this is when I was already just kind of
uh oh, what's going on here? I swear they had
like basically like imperial music and like when the when
like the ships come down and like the fire just
like knights the forest. The gates open and there's just
these like menacing robots and they have like the doom music.
And I swear like every time they showed like the humans,
it had this like doom doom, like it was just
really like okay, like we okay, I get it. We
are evil. We are the full bad guys. Here.
Speaker 2: If you hear a snare drum, shit's about to go down.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's where like I don't know, I I
think the first movie like say what you will, but
like the motivations for the humans, but like they at
least make an effort of like balancing the lines of
like what like I don't know, like they're not fully evil.
Maybe it's with that Parker Selfridge guy of like give
him an hour, like like there's a little bit more morality,
I think to some of these bad characters air quotes,
but this one, it's just they they completely like throw
that out the window like they didn't They really didn't care.
It was just no, we're we're gonna we're gonna have
an extended whiling scene that we're just gonna like like
murder this this mother mother in her calf to get
to the brain juice and just toss the bot like
it was just really shoving it down our throats that
like we are evil and there's not really any redeeming
uh traits. But yeah, I just wanted to fire that
off with just like the over the top like stress
singe that like these are the bad guys, these are evil.
Speaker 3: Characters, and well I would go only so far with
that because there it's the military intervention. Like when they
made their first initial like landing on the planet, it
was definitely militarized and in the sense like, okay, our
last time we were kicked off this planet, we're not
taking any chances. We're gonna fall on military land here,
set up our compound. That set But when you look
into the whaling operations, what they did was frowned upon.
But then they had that important sequence there too and
diving into just like hey, we don't wail these things
in their waters here, like we go and do it
in certain other areas, so we don't disrespect the people
because even said those guys like if we kill one,
it's like killing their family member. We can't do that.
And then it was overridden by military acts. So it's
always the military sides that are just pushing the boundary
of this little bit. So there are still there is
still that kind of wall of like aggression there. And
even the the one scientist like is the line written,
well no, but he's like, why do you think I drank? Like,
so he doesn't feel good about what he's doing, So.
Speaker 1: He didn't seem to distraught when they were murdering the
way he's probably wasted, just not this was what I drink. Yeah,
he's just always hammered. I can't deal with this. Yeah,
I don't know where you guys want to, you know,
talk about Spider, our little uh Tarzan boy, since we're
talking about Miles, this is the other Miles. I think
later it was insinuated that was his name, at least
from a Korrius calling him that. Yeah, so there is
this was another decision where I was just like, man like,
they made a decision and I'm not happy with it.
I I would have been one hundred percent fine if
we did not get this like feral human nav character.
I don't know, it's it's something new, I guess. So
they thought it was necessary in one way, shape or form.
I didn't think it was at all. I really didn't
like this character's dynamic, like with like I guess it's fun,
like you know this like outsider, who's who's just really
friendly like with the kids or whatnot. But I think
they were like incorporating him into the story a little
bit more than what I wanted, and by a little
bit more, like way more. But yeah, I don't know,
you guys, go off, Taylor, go ahead. You loved him.
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about
him seeing him in the trailer, because I didn't know
how he's gonna be written into the story. I didn't
know how any of the humans are going to be
written into the story. But again, it's just one of
those things that they just snuck in there, like bring
Miles back from the dead, just his origin and all
that kind of jazz And did I need it? No,
But I did find him kind of amusing and I
liked his his ties to Miles and kind of being
that grounding force and where you can see again this
is this tension between Miles and just how he's kind
of not turning into like Jake Sully, like the trees,
the water, all this stuff, but like he's he has
these moments to him and it's mostly just facial expressions
and that sort of thing, which I like to read into.
But I think that Spider definitely was interesting on that regard.
But I liked how Spider was this other factor like
with the Tiri, and the Tiri just didn't like him,
thought he should be with his own people. But then
you have Kitty and Spider having this really really strong friendship,
which I really really liked. I like seeing the dynamic
and the interaction between him and just the other Navvy people.
I thought that was really entertaining. And I think that
he serves as or tries to serve as that gateway,
so the lack of humans in general on the other side,
like we get him as kind of that gateway for
people to kind of step into his shoes and just
kind of experience Pandora through what he's experiencing and what
he's seeing for the first time too. He's supposed to
be our human on the inside that's just kind of
not happy with how things are going and.
Speaker 1: Just seeings half human half human.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaks great English though.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Actually that was one thing that I appreciated, because when
they're talking in their native tongue and then they just
kind of transition and they use how like the exposition
to say like, oh now it's just like like English
to me, and then it just morphs into English right
off the bat. I like that, of course, with the
odd little bits of just like subtitles popping up later on,
which is totally fine, but I like that this whole
movie they were probably talking in Navvi language.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a good explanation to do that.
Speaker 3: I liked that.
Speaker 1: I think I've like seen that in a video game
before too, where it like starts in like the native
language and then for the stupid English player that they
translated it for me. But yeah, I thought that was
a detail to do there, Dynt Spider.
Speaker 2: I really don't have much to say. I just think
the acting was atrocious, so it was hard for me
to feel connected to the character. And he is in
it so fucking much. Oh yeah, Scott, he had so
much screen time. I think for me the only really
compelling scene because I didn't really care about his friendship
with Kirie. I just whatever didn't really do anything for me.
The one part I did like was that scene with
nateriie if I said her name right, I just I liked.
I think that was a cool element from her character
that she was truly willing to kill this kid for
her kid. Like I thought that was an interesting character moment. Unfortunately,
I think that's the only character moment the whole movie
I can look at for her that's interesting. Like, they
gave her nothing. It is too bad if you were
a big a fan of that character in the first movie.
She does not get to do anything, which is which
is too bad. But I think that was maybe the
one scene that I thought was good from her, and
it's because of Spider. I guess in some way it
gets to be part of it once again. It's not
because there was some well written connection between the characters.
It's just because they threw that tag going there that
this is that guy's son, so instantly he's gonna care
for him in some extent. So I think that might
be all I have to say on Spider for all
the screen time he has. It's all I got, for.
Speaker 1: All the screen time he has. Well, I'll say a
couple more things after this next ad break. All right, Yeah, my,
there was a couple of scenes in here when it
went on. I think it went on a little bit
too long or maybe just shouldn't have happened at all.
And the particular scene for me was when it's I
hope I get these names right. So it's it's no,
not in Tiri Kiri Spider, and who's young it's Kitty, well,
k It's it's k I r I k I r I.
Speaker 2: It definitely I thought it was for the first half
an hour, but they definitely pronounce it with a bit
of an accent on there.
Speaker 1: Something like that. And then yeah, the younger son they
like go into like the human pod area, and then
you have like young Sigourney Weaver go on and be
like mom, and there's just just like I don't know
if it was the same for you guys. I found
it very cringey dialogue. In this like entire sequence, you
have like Spider like grabbing Kirie's tail. It's like and
then they're just like kind of like like shoving each
other and it was just I don't know that, like
maybe it's just it went on too long or I,
like I said, I think the scene just shouldn't have
happened at all. Like again, maybe they're just trying to
be like, oh, they're really close like the Bonds here,
like they're really like a family. I think I got
that in like the quick span of like when they
were kids. So like, I just this was such an
unnecessary scene for me, and it was just it was
weird to watch, Like I feel like most like awkward
scenes like that I'm fine with, but like I actually
was like cringing in my chair. And there was a
couple other moments like that too where it's just like
the dialogue was just I found to be really cringing.
It was mostly just in the early stages of the film. Again,
that was like my lowest part of it. But yeah,
I really didn't like the usage of Spider. It just
it seems so I don't know, like like I said earlier,
like I guess I understand to incorporate him to just
have this dynamic with Korich and like I guess the
tie that doesn't make him just the exact same character
that he was in the first film, But I don't know,
I just it just it was a decision I wish
we didn't have in there. Halfway through the film, I
thought maybe they were like hinting that he's actually like
siding with Korich and like might have like a twist there,
which I thought would have been interesting, But they didn't
really do that at all. Maybe they're planting seeds for
something in the future.
Speaker 2: I guess that would be the one element.
Speaker 1: Not that he obviously it doesn't align with him her
pieces out right away. It was mostly just like when
they're when he's initially showing like the new Specop crew,
like what they're doing, and then it just seemed like
they're bonding a bit and it's like, okay, like this,
I kind of see what's going on here. But he
quickly shifted once he saw Chorush just burning villages and
all that stuff, which is pretty dark. So good on him,
I guess, But yeah, I'm unfortunately I really didn't like
that character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think generally, I don't know. I don't I'm
curious what the next Avatar movie will be, because in
a big way, this did feel like they were trying
to make this the bridge movie such that the third
one will not really like Jake Sully will be in it,
but he won't be protagonist. It's almost hard to call
him a protagonist in this movie just in terms of
what's going on, because they're really trying to like pass
the mantle off to particularly the youngest son and Kiri.
I guess I would say is maybe the second that
they're trying to set up in a big way. So
I am really curious if that's where the third one
will be. Is that it's like their story and Jake's
kind of like a additive part to it. That might
be a bit strange unless they write him off in
some interesting way, because I don't really feel like he
does much in this And we'll talk about his motivations
in a minute, because oh my god, that's something else.
But I think, you know, because of that, they spend
so much time in this movie, not just with because
Spider was not really with the rest of the kids
for most of it, just in the opening sequence and
then kind of the end when they save him and stuff.
But I don't know, the teenage drama writing in general
just was not working for me, where there's like I
don't they The kids are kind of forced to work
together from their parents, you know, to show each other
the ropes kind of thing, and then they're like calling
her a freak at one point, and you get just
a very school yard like under the basketball hoop kind
of thing where the brother comes up and he's like,
would you say to my sister and they're doing this fight,
and then you get like, of course that super cringey
the line later where the dad's like, you know, you know,
what do the other guys look like? Or whatever it
is you should have seen the other guys like Jesus Christ,
Like is that really the level of writing we're doing here?
So I don't know, they really rubbed me the wrong way,
and I just I didn't really find any of that
teenage drama element of the movie, which is a ton
of the writing here to be compelling in any way.
So that's kind of me banging the same drum over
and over again. Is like every decision not working for me,
writing bad, but there you go.
Speaker 1: For me. I felt like I kind of grew to
actually like the family dynamic of whether they're teasing each
other and like, like you meant like even just like
I think I started enjoying some of that like school
yardy thing of like it doesn't I think what they're
trying to I don't know convey across ret least the
way I took it. It is just like it doesn't
matter if they're like this different race altogether, like the
family kind of always like family will behave like how
they would normally, like like just classic sibling rivalry, rivalry
or maybe just I don't know, really looking up for
your family. And that's something that I kind of grew
into because in the early stages of the film, just
like the the Solis and like their family dynamic, I
just really didn't love it because I mean, I was
gonna bring u up when we got to Jake Soley,
so maybe I'll say most of it fro when we
get there. But it's just it seemed like they were
so different than the way of life that the Nave had.
It was like this very like earth like human tradition,
where like you have like Soley doing like the whole
military thing, and he's got all these call signs and everything,
and everyone's just just like it just it seems so
separate from from the way that the Nove we're living
in the first movie, and I understand there's been a
lot of time Jake's been the leader, so he's obviously
been changing things, But just in the early sequence of
like the Sully's interact with each other, it just seemed
a very human, uh like filter over over what from
what I got from the first movie, where like the
nove really have their whole way of living and just
just interacting with things. And I think coming into this
one before I saw it with the new characters in
the family dynamic, I was excited to see just how
Jake Sully like has really evolved into just a full
on Nove And I think it's just unfortunately, I think
they kind of took a step back from where he
was fully immersed in there. But getting back to my
initial points, like I feel like just it's mostly like
the kids. I feel like I grew to like them
more and uh just just them like looking out for
each other. I think I just I grew to like
that as the film went on. But you know, fair
assessment from Dyland, what do you think.
Speaker 3: There the struggle amongst each other and just kind of
like having this dynamic. It's something we've seen before where
the one child is kind of gonna go off on
their own, the keep making bad decisions and the older
one has to bail them out and paid with it
with his paid for it with the life his life.
But the dynamic with the other kids from the other clan,
I definitely didn't mind that because it was just the
five fingers thing, like they're just being like, you know,
you're you're an alien, like they're they were being racist
pretty much like they're just like you're a freak Parker,
so all that kind of stuff, And yeah, I didn't
mind it. I thought it was totally fine, and like
you said, Kirkland, just having the family kind of together.
When the brother came in and just kind of like
put his foot down to try and stop it, and
then they were just kind of like all like they
start fighting and just Ki Ki started to laugh. I
started to laugh too, because it was it was just
like it's it was funny. And I'm not laughing at
the scene because it was like I thought it was
like stupid or anything like that, but just leaving because
I thought it was humor. They're just the kids like
roughhousing and stuff like that, just getting into a brawl
and then the dad saying like okay, go and apologize,
and him going to apologize. I like that sequence of
them like not knowing what was going to happen, like
coming out of this because I thought, Okay, they are
really bonding here, but then that kind of transitioning and
then having the real environmental threat immediately impeded into this.
I really liked how that kind of transition to and
I it worked for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right on Jake Sully. You guys want to talk
about him.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Jake Sully.
Speaker 1: Yes, I got so protagonist protagonists.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean he's still kind of is b
he like probably has less screen time some of these
other characters.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'd have to I'd like to see the calculations on
that to be curious. But I'm really curious what you
guys thought of this, because to me, this was maybe
one of the most puzzling things. I've already been puzzled
by many of the decisions in here.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: For me, like, Okay, they we're establishing that, Like like
Taylor's point, they've been here here, he's been part of
this crew. They've been building this family for like fifteen
years maybe give or take. So obviously he's like built
like a pretty strong bond with these people that he
already had a strong bond by the end of the
first one I would say, uh. And then when once
again we do the one year's skip where the you know,
humans have kind of taken over and all that stuff.
So to me, it was a very strange decision from
Jake to abandon his people because he's the strongest warrior, right,
So the strongest warrior is gonna leave to I guess
just let his people die because obviously they they know
that they want him, but also the people want to
just kill all the novee, right, so he's just leaving
them defense. This is the way I took it, So
if you guys have a countertake, please bring it on
at some point. So that that in itself was but
then the fact that, like, how dumb is Jake that
he's gonna go to this other civilization of people knowing
that the people, the humans are never gonna stop hunting him,
so someday he will get found out and how many
people are gonna die along the way, or you're gonna
fuck over this society of people who did nothing wrong,
just none of that really made any sense to me,
Like he's just a he does not give a shit
about anyone else. He should have sacrificed himself up or
try to defend his people or done anything else other
than what he did. And I mean, he is kind
of a dope in the first one a lot of
the times in terms of just his decision making and
stuff like that. So maybe he's just not smart and
that's what it is. But now I'm curious what you
guys think about on that if I'm missing like an
element of his decision making.
Speaker 3: I took it as it was very much the human
side of him making that decision, and him being who
he was, would just override the tie. And how she
kind of saw it, where you protect the people, and
that's the whole baseline for the Navi people. You were
one of the people. You protect the people. The people
are everything human side, And I think this is a
very well represented thing and even society like people in
general are going to protect their family first and say
fuck all the other people. I'm not saying Jason's saying
fuck all these other film Tikaya people or anything in
the movie. But his concern was his family first, which
I associate with being a very human trait as opposed
to and Navi upbringing. So when he just kind of
bowed out, you're right, like he's putting other people in
danger by hiding because eventually he would be found out
no matter what. But I guess to him it was
he thought it was far enough. But I guess he
says it too, like I don't have a plan. That's
literally his words, like I don't have a plan right now.
All he could do and think it was just to
get his family out of there where they could sneak
in under the radar, which was definitely not okay.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, isn't it like because he has that
kind of mote, that character arc you could say at
the end where he does change and he wants to
fight at the end of the thing, and that like
fades to credits, but like that only happens after he
has already failed at like defending his family. So it's
just like all any motivation is just like such a
selfish decision on his part and that he does not
give a shit about anyone else, But as soon as
one of his own is you know the cost, and
then he's finally going to change, so it's like, I'm
really not really invested in this guy. He's kind of
a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I this was still in that first act period
where I was just kind of not vibing with what
was going on, and it just seemed like a very
like poor, poorly written character decision where I feel like,
from Jake Sully at the end of the first movie,
it just seems so not right that he would just
be making this decision. Now. I know there is like
you know, a decent amount of time between the first
and second movie here, but like I feel like like
the reason why he is fighting at the end is
because he's like, well, they're like they're not gonna they're
not gonna not come for us, Like we essentially like
have to push back with all of our force here.
And it seems like they have like some decent military
tactics at least from what was showcasing that.
Speaker 2: In the fifteen years they might maybe think of a
contingency plan if someone comes down for other future invaders.
Speaker 1: And like they know their environment, like like I feel
like they really I don't know, like like could have
had a good chance there. So for me, I just
took it like a like a lazy way to get
our characters in a new environment into the way of water.
And it's it secks for that because like this was
something I was looking to earlier, where like I did
like a lot of stuff in this in this movie,
but now looking back on it's like, oh, I gotta
kind of get through the seaweed to get to the oasis.
Uh you know you can maybe say so. For me,
I just felt like it was it was really just
a poor decision, like writing wise, it's to just have
the character be like, Okay, you know, we're just gonna
fuck off here. And like for me in In in
the Seed, as I'm watching, it's just like, hey, well,
why did like how would the humans know that he's
just gone? Like why would like why would Koriesh not
just do to what he did to the like island
people when he was just like burning villages or whatnot?
Like who's to say that he wouldn't have just done
that to the Omata Kai people, you know, like like
like well.
Speaker 3: They weren't able to track them, right, and once they
learned that the raids stopped, then they thought, okay, like
Sully's gone into hiding. Yeah, where he's gone like a stretch,
Like what.
Speaker 2: Do you guys think the military did to his previous people?
Because at some point randomly, like the two scientists just
like show up in the new town to like save
uh what's their face? After they get I forget who
got hurt? Someone got hurt and then they bringing the
two scientists character whatever you guys are calling ye, So
I don't know, you would think the military would like
be keeping an eye on these people from the previous
clan and if they were to come.
Speaker 1: This is what happened, right, that's all until they found him,
because like the helicopter.
Speaker 2: I thought they were just searching islands randomly, but.
Speaker 3: Well they were searching. No, they weren't searching the islands
yet because the there's the gravitational flocks and the floating mountains,
the Halloween Mountains, so they can't get a lock on.
So when this helicopter comes and like leaves the flocks
and then comes into their radar, it's like, oh, we
have a rogue copter in this general area. Let's go
check it out. And that's when they start exploring.
Speaker 1: That's what I was like, of course, fucking norm just
just ruining the whole thing, and like they would have
been fine if they didn't have to call them even
backups there.
Speaker 2: It's weird. I mean, I guess it's not that far away,
but they feel like they tried to make it seem like, oh,
it's such a big journey we had to go on
to escape, but it's like, Okay, I guess they're really
not that far away. Probably could have done a better
job of hiding or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So unfortunately, I just I have a lot of grimes,
which is just basically what Dylan was highlighting there. How
we just I don't know, like Jake silly for me,
he just seems so different from what the first one is.
And I didn't like the family motivation. I get it,
but I feel like he's been the leader of these
people for fifteen years, Like it just doesn't make sense
character wise for why he would have made that decision,
Like it's really just to get us to point B.
And I really liked Point B. That was really fun.
But this is where I felt like maybe the Way
a Water should have been like the third movie and
like the second movie, maybe it would have been, you know,
to repeat what the first one was of, like having
the Humans back and like but again, like maybe we
still could have saved the humans for the third movie
and just had like a domestic issue going on, like
like we saw like Naitiri and others like fucking up
the specops, Like like we saw Avatar vi Avatar on screen,
Like why couldn't you just had that for like a
full second movie. You don't need Spider Boy in this,
you don't need Korich back I And like maybe it
just would have been a really seamless transition to get
our characters to the way of water, like like why
are they It's just to get all of that out
in Like I don't know it. It probably was like
an hour or so when they got going, but for me,
it just felt so short, And I think that's I
think that's a big, big issue for me, like with
this with this film, I think because I fucking love
the forest land and I don't feel satisfied that we
like I don't feel satisfied with the reason why we
left that. I think that's the main thing. I'm trying
to trying to stay say here and I like both,
but I just feel like maybe I needed more. I
don't know, a better caravan, caravan, ride to uh.
Speaker 2: To the Way of Water I hear, especially when they
don't even like tie up this side of the story too.
It just feels like a part one of we know
there's whatever, five six of them two, Like, I didn't
even resolve this issue. They're just like, Okay, I guess
we'll push it to the third movie. So you're still
gonna get that. They're still gonna have the human issue
in the third moment. Then they also tucked it in here, yeah.
Speaker 1: Anything to saying one day spewing.
Speaker 3: No, I I think I already kind of touched upon it,
just the transition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, all right, Where do you guys want
to go next?
Speaker 2: I'll bring up I'll bring up a maybe one more
negative thing, and then maybe I'll have positive things to
say after that. Which is another thing that I feel
like they just kind of rehashed and didn't really develop
any further was the element of the first movie where everything,
everything is connected in the forest in this tree of
life whatever I don't remember the names of anything, sorry
once again, And I feel like they just kind of
did that again here where the water is with us
all and it connects us all and it's around us,
and it's it's in us. But like, I don't like,
what was the evolution of that thought. I guess maybe
they're trying to just say, like, oh, to this group
of nave, it's the forest, even though it's the whole planet.
It's kind of unclear. But then to these people it's
the it's the water. But there wasn't any like nuance
or differentiation, Like it just felt like the kind of
exact same thing. And then they replaced the world tree
with the jellyfish looking thing, and that's supposed to be
kind of the equivalent there, and once again you can
go there to like connect in and all that stuff,
so that once again weird rehash where it's like you
just took the template for this first movie, changed the
trees to H two O, and then you just like
reran it. Like James Cramis is like, you know what,
this perfect movie, this first movie was perfect. Let me
just change a couple of details, copy some homework, and
then just let 's fucking redo it. Let's read it
the exact same thing. That was another element to me
that I do like some elements in the world building.
I'll bring up some of those soon. Here some actual
positives that I have, But that was that felt like
a very weak, thin addition to this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I think you bring up some good points
there where I again, I think I was just totally
getting splashed in the face by the by the visual
effects the three D and I was just totally like, man,
this is amazing, and like I was totally engulfing there
that I think I just kind of had those rose
tinted glasses, one might say, where I just kind of
was looking past that. But that is a good point
that they didn't really make too many big differences there,
Like you still have the connect with the with the cord,
which is fine, Like I don't need there to be
a different method, Like they are the same race subspecies
sort of like evolved differently, but still like all the
bare necessity thing is there. I like that it is
still like AWA and like like it is this this
similar I or yeah it is it is the same idea,
just like it through a different lens. But I think
the lens could have been just more different, you know.
So good point there, because I didn't really like even
think about that too much going into it. Like I
do like that they have their own version of like
the world tree, I think for that, Like, I did
think that was cool, especially again the visuals, like when
they go actually down to it and just the way
it looks. It looks so sweet, and I'm curious what
other type of world trees are out there. I'm sure
we'll find out the next movie or two or see
what happens there. But yeah, I think it could have
been more nuanced as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the you said it, Dylan, there's
a lot of parallels that were pretty spot on, like
down to the legit like score note, musical note, that
play too. It's just some very reiterated things, but in comparisons,
it's just kind of like changing up the Reskin with water.
I liked it. I like the aesthetic because it's just
a little bit of something familiar, a little bit of
something new and just kind of like putting its own
spin on it. And it just kind of feels interconnected
with the whole planet where you have these different sites
that they referenced in that first movie, and yeah, just
to yeah see it underwater, very very cool and see
just these are the things that they can kind of
connect with down there too, which is pretty cool. And
even the way they kind of served up the oldest son,
because we saw a death scene in the first movie
where they buried the person in the ground, but in
this sense, it was very much like the seaweed was
just sucking him dry, So.
Speaker 1: It was like in an enemy, right, and then Nemos
they just grabbed them and went down. Yeah, and again
like that's something that was kind of cool. It's where
they have the same idea. All energy is basically recycled,
and this is just a different way to say goodbye.
Speaker 2: I feel like I got most of my hate and negative.
I want to hear why you guys love this movie.
I want to hear why you really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I will sit back and I'll let you guys goalk
for a bit, and I'll try not to cut in
with why I didn't like to saying that you liked
or something like that. I'll let's get some positivity in here.
I feel like I'm draggons down a bit.
Speaker 1: I think I got the vast majority of my salty
juice out too, Taylor, where do you want to go with?
Speaker 3: I'm spent? I got no positive juice.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: I'll go here that so, like I was mentioning, I
think my favorite part of the entire movie was kind
of just again seems similar to the first movie, but
like them just learning the ways of these different nave.
I just I really liked how maybe like this subspecies
of nave have like just evolved to their environment. Like
they have thicker tails that help them swim, their arms
are bigger, and like the fins, and like all those details,
like they're a different like skin tone, even all of
those things that made them like really, I don't know,
just excel in their environment. I feel like that stuff
I kind of look past in the first movie because
at that point those were the only Navi I knew of,
and now like knowing like, no, they're more slender cause
they're it's kind of like you know how you see
those like lanky monkeys just like like swinging and trees
and stuff like that. Like they're just so geared to
their environment, and it would make sense that the slender
navi you know, are better in the environment. And then
here they're like making fun of their tails. It's like
you can't swim with this, and like all that stuff.
For me, I think that was really fun and again
just like it might be cheap thrills, but just like
them learning about these these new species and like the
way that they kind of have to get that bond
with them, which is pretty similar to what goes on
with the other creatures, but I think more so too.
I was just absolutely blown away by like the water CGI,
which fortunately there was a lot of it, And I
think thank god Spider wasn't in a lot of those
underwater scenes because I think I would have been taken
out just a little bit from it, because I said,
like the visuals were Prosteller. Maybe any moment that wasn't,
you know, ten to ten for me was probably when
Spider was on screens because or like any human really
just just blending in with the CGI just doesn't look
as good as a pure CGI character. But all of
the water elements, the way that like the bioluminescence was
like glowing off of them, and like all the creatures.
I was just yeah, that like that for me is
like basically what's passing this movie is like story wise
definitely falls short, but just man, the quality of those
effects and just all the new creatures that like was
just like so many different underwater mammals is so what
they are fish? I don't even know. I'm not a
marine biologist like that one asshole drunk scientist in this movie.
But I yeah, I was so blown away by all
the underwater stuff and just when like big storms are
going on, when we have low ac I think it
was the younger son's name, like when he goes on
like basically that suicide mission with his air quote friends,
is just like, oh, like I could. I felt like
I was in a forty movie at points, Like I
just felt so immersed in this world. And you know,
James Cameron, you totally you totally pulled it off with
the technology.
Speaker 3: At least for this one fire sprinklers going off and
you're like, oh, it's so immersive. So yeah, the the cgi,
the effects of everything was just incredible. I could easily
take this world narrated by David Attenborough on like a
special like Planet Earth. Oh yeah, right, totally did. There
was so much going on and like again back to
my name, free Willy, Well, we got that younger son
who is just having the whole sequence with this whale creature.
I was just like over the moon for it, like
we I felt like there were so many scenes spot
on pulled right out of Free Willie that were just
thrown into this movie. Like I might have to, like
eventually when this movie comes out and I can get
like screen record parts, I'm gonna do like side by
sides of Free Willy and just show the world like,
look at this, this is like Free Willy. He must
have watched Free Willie and it's like, I'm gonna put
this fucking whale in my fucking movie. So I loved it.
Speaker 1: We talk about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he went.
Speaker 2: When he went back to the well on Titanic, He's like,
I want to do that again too. Yeah, he went
back to Free Willia.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's there's just it blows my mind that
there's all this like crazy like CGI creatures. They're able
to dishow just the world and yeah, when it turns nighttime.
Eclipse was a big thing in this movie, and I
really liked every time it emphasized, Okay, we're going to night,
We're going dark, you know, Bravo six going dark, Like
it was just it was it was so nice. I
really really enjoyed the luminescence and the ambiance that was
kind of popping off.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the highlight creature for me was
like the backpack oxygen providing creature.
Speaker 1: Those were cool. That was kind of interesting. Yeah, there
was one moment too. I think it's when like the
kids first jump in the water, like first having their experience,
and it's like a school of fish going around the
youngest child to forget her name, but they just look
like instead of like you know when you have those
huge school of fish. There's just like hundreds upon hundreds
of them, but they look like tiny little sea turtles,
they like extra fins. And again that's something that like
I'm excited to rewatch it just for like that aspect
of seeing the different creatures that I might have missed
because you know, just the atention of detail on a
lot of that stuff. And speaking of attention of detail,
like I mentioned like the the new did you catch
the name of like these water nove do they have
They must have their own name, but I.
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, they're clan name start with an M, the
metro Lican or something like that sounds right.
Speaker 1: The new nove For me, I'll color it like Soraya,
I think what's her name? Like, are like the main
chief daughter? Yeah, Chief's daughter. There you go.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll be throwing up these nicknames rest of the cast
Chief's daughter, just like the the extra detail on like
she had like like double eyelids to basically like allow
it basically like goggles so she can like see like
in the water. All those little details are like I
already mentioned a lot of the details on the specific creatures,
but still like like a lot of that stuff. I
just I mean up all that stuff, and I just
I have such a soft spot for for those little details,
especially ones that might go like unnoticed, but that they
threw them in there just it's one more thing that
just adds to the immersion uh so much. And yeah,
I I definitely like that is what I was trying
to get out of this movie. And I completely got that.
So that's definitely like what is passing this movie for me.
But unfortunately there wasn't a great plot, you know, to
supplement it. But still I loved all of and like
it's just the fact that it just felt so much
warmer because of like the clear water and then they're
just living on the water. I like their little cabanas
and like the bouncy like the trampoline thing. Yeah, all
of that was just it was. It was so great
for me, and yeah, I like the uh I guess
the whales the placeholder name. I didn't catch what they
what they were, but how they were like actually connected
more so than just regular animals living on the planet.
Speaker 3: Would you swim into one's mouth if it I want
you to go in there.
Speaker 1: I am so terrified of the ocean, so definitely not
if I was in an avatar body. Maybe you know,
it's like it's kind of like my extra life. I
guess you could call it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I can tell you one thing like Reuben,
his worst fear is whales. He can't send them like.
I don't think he's ever gonna watch this movie like
whales and feet two things that freaking my feet and feet?
Oh yeah, see.
Speaker 1: Where socks all times his feet?
Speaker 3: Okay, I pulled some shin digs on him with my
feet and he wasn't like it.
Speaker 2: So you pulled a shin dig on Oh yeah, that
means I don't think that's.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Thank for him. Whales don't have feet, so he can't
really get with the tule.
Speaker 3: That's true. On that note of whales, the one the
main whale that kind of had that half a fin. Uh,
it's extremely spot on. But I appreciated the scene when
the chain like whipped up and then was like going
and cutting the top of the boat off and pinned
the main captain's arm and this whale got his revenge
like a fin for a fin or an arm for
an arm kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, is that Okay? I didn't even think
about that.
Speaker 2: That's how I took it.
Speaker 1: A lot of like ie for an eye, son for
a son, feels.
Speaker 3: A lot of even yeah, oh yeah, I was shocked.
Speaker 2: I didn't need to have a rating to do that
kind of thing. Rated would be PG thirteen or something.
I was like, I don't know if you're allowed to
do that. James Cameron got.
Speaker 1: Away twelve A on my screen. I don't even know
if it's a real rating.
Speaker 2: Twelve year old should not be watching Dismemberment like that
and all the all the man Spider, what a pottymouth
on that guy is saying fuck you call people?
Speaker 3: He actually said fuck. I had to double take that,
like did.
Speaker 2: He actually say that.
Speaker 1: You got the one F bomb? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, I know you get you get.
Speaker 1: One right to keep it? That like PG thirteen rating
and he dropped it. But yeah, like I was even
surprised about definitely the dismemberment, but even just like you know,
there's a decent amount of blood at like some sequences
people getting shot.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like blood is something that they really try
and hide to keep a certain rating. But again, it's
probably one of those things that they have like a
limit that they can show or what.
Speaker 3: Camera didn't tell anyone. He just slid it in there
at the last second.
Speaker 2: Well, it's probably like you know what if it's like
percentage based. So he's like, Okay, I'll make it three
and a half hours long, because then I can put
blood in there for like twenty minutes. I can get
away with it. That's the only reason why he made
it as long as he did.
Speaker 1: Speaking the clever we're gonna go to our next ad
break here and then we'll be right back, all right,
and we are back from where we were and where
are we closed up? Alright? Guess just yeah, talking about
the things that we liked about this movie, I had
already mentioned, like the family Bondie stuff that I ended
up growing to like. I a lot of that too,
I think is just what they kind of went through
like in the Ocean World Kiri Kiri Kitty whatever we're
calling her new Sigourney Weaver. This was a character that
I I don't know, like I feel like I'm like
fifty to fifty on because I don't know if I
like this character or not, or like maybe I do
like the character, but I don't know why I like
the character more so than just like I don't know,
she's just like she's like this chosen one that we
barely scratched the surface on and we just didn't really
get full explanations on like what is even going on
with her? Like I get it she's I don't know,
special like through Awa has access to some sort of
water bending, fish bending powers or something like that, but
they really just didn't dive into a lot of that,
which I was kind of shocked about by the end
of it, because she has this like seizure with like
the like the World Tree or the Tree of Souls,
whatever it was, and they just call it like basically epilepsy,
And is that just the real deal? Like I thought
it was something that like modern science was trying to
explain it, but they just didn't have the answers for
it and then I was gonna get that explanation, but
we never got there because she just never had another
seizure or any issue ever. Again, it was just a
really strange moment to get a human ship there so
that our new protagonist, Miles Korich could just find his enemy.
Like it was just for me. That was another thing
that just kind of was adoing over me for this
character at least because she does like she has significant
role in this movie. But I was just shocked that
they didn't really like dive into that more. So maybe
we're saving it for next or yeah, the next movie,
but still, that's that's so strange.
Speaker 2: I think the epilepsy thing because that was just when
the one random scientist dude showed up, so that was
his take. But like, they've never interacted with this creature,
this like world Tree of the Water thing, so I
don't think they really know yet. But watching like two
minutes in the new one and number three, Miles is
going to learn how to control these creatures too, and
then he'll just like send all these scene enemies and
things after people.
Speaker 1: God, I hope not.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm just waiting to figure out, like, Okay, who
the father is because we've got that whole dream sequence
going on there, and yeah, the Chosen One. We've got
the Anakin Skywalker, the the Ray Skywalker, like she's a skywalker.
So I'm looking for forward to seeing, yeah, what's going
down there, because if I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure
in the first one there was that direct connection with
Grace's avatar because when they tried to put her soul
in there, I just took this as maybe Grace's soul
is just kind of like gone to Awa, and then
AA was just.
Speaker 1: What I thought, Yeah, I ate like, I ate that
up and I was happy with it. I'm like, that's
a good explanation. But now it's just like who's the father,
And it's like this is a question I never posed,
and I never really was going to pose. I just
completely was okay with thel Awa. Yeah, Norman Grace were
getting it on God and like Norm too big back seat.
I wasn't really asking for more of this character. But
that's something that I felt was pretty disconnected from the
last movie was he was basically like Jake Sully's like
initial guide into this like mystical world which is Awa.
You know, like he was the one that's explaining like
I see you, and then like how big of a
deal that was and just the whole like he like
gets offended when Jake is just kind of like not
caring about it. And then in this movie we have
the seizure moment and like she connected to Awa and
he's just like no, it's just like like fanatic religious whatever.
Was like the definition that he said is just like
you know, like what's the word, I'm looking for visions
that you're seeing, hallucinations there, you go, like this sort
of thing, and he just immediately like disregards it. It
was just like so like, Okay, this guy doesn't believe
in a wa anymore, even though he's like just a
permanent avatar. I guess now like we're just throwing that
one out the window, that human form too, So I
think he yeah, okay, he still swaps back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I think that when it comes
to him, this is just this is new and that's
why everyone our first he is like a freak or
something's wrong with her because she knows that there's no
one that's like her. Before we even see the Sahekh
of the Water Tribe was just focused on her too
because she was just like in the water doing things
that I think no one has ever seen her do before.
She's got this connection to the world around her, and
so when she's having a I guess like, yeah, like
an epileptic seizure by connecting to this tree of souls underwater.
For norm, he's probably thinking like, Okay, this has not
never happened before, it shouldn't happen, and it's just okay,
she has seen the things. He is rationalizing it scientifically,
And I think that's kind of like the thing that
Grace kind of showcased too, because Grace had this approach
where like, hey, it's a network and we're trying to
scientifically find an explanation for all of these things. So
I think maybe that's kind of like the approach. And
I don't think he's ever connected to aos, So I
mean he's going to have a limited kind of belief
on this.
Speaker 1: He's going stir crazy. He's been on there for fifteen years.
He's like just missing more humans. He's going a little
bit crazy. Yeah, I think again, like I don't want
to keep reiterated, but like just just that disconnect from
like the belief of it. I think that was just
something that that bothered me more than I was kind
of expecting, because yeah, like Jake Sully was super super
into the whole like belief system and everything. It seemed
like he like like he's connected to like the Tree
of Souls and like connected to Awa multiple times. But
it's just I don't know, it just seemed like we
really threw a lot of that belief out the window
going into this movie, and for me, it just it
didn't really sit right because I really liked that stuff,
Like if you listen to the retro, like that was
such a highlight moment for me. Was the just the
whole explanation of this connectivity, this like one organism that
is the world of Pandora, and we just it's like
we took a step back in that fifteen year mark
and then we're kind of like carring, like like picking
up those pieces again. And then by the end of
the movie, which was like the exact same shot of
the end of the first movie when his eyes open
up like I'm ready, I am a nave now, and
it's just okay, yeah, there it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of what we were talking
about with the Miles taking over the dragon thing too,
So that's not really connection thing. Anyone kind of just
do that. Didn't like, does any of this really have
any meaning? Does anyone actually really connecting or maybe even
Norm's right, maybe all of it is bullshit. Anyone can
just do whatever. If you have the fucking antenna, you're
good to go. You can do whatever you need to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, alrighty Well quickly mentioned the chief. I really again,
there's another design. I really really love just his his
like tribal tattoos wherever he had, and he had this
like ceremonial like necklace thing. It's probably just like to
announce that he's the chief or whatnot. But I just
I loved his look so much, and even like the
queen too. I found it was Kate Winslet that did
the voice for her, which kind of surprised me. I
did not hear her voice at all during the movie.
But you know, she's not playing Kate Winslet, She's playing
a nove character, so good on her for changing her voice.
But yeah, and again like I shout out the uh
Chief's daughter and stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's right. So yeah,
I just I think I really just like the new
design of these nove and although we didn't really go
too deep with a lot of their their characters stuff.
Oh that reminded myself. Dylan mentioned or no, sorry, Taylor
mentioned the uh, what's like the serious his name again
like the title of it, the who what the serious?
Like the like there's like the king and then like the.
Speaker 3: Oh like the Chief's wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there you go, so like her kind of
seeing some sort of potential in like Kiri or something,
or like not even potential. It's just like she notices
that something's going on. You're a freak Parker, which was
me Jesus's That's another thing where it's like I just
can't believe that we didn't have like a dialogue between
either her and Kirie or the Chief's daughter in her
because the Chief's daughter was like really intrigued and the
way that she was just kind of interacting with the creatures.
And was that just edited out of the entire movie
or did they really just not want to even like
unravel that at all.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting reminded about things that we're did. The
negative section.
Speaker 2: This isn't supposed to what's going on here? I love
this thing?
Speaker 1: Oh no, my points are gonna be lower than I thought.
But yeah, anything else on like the the New Way
of Water village that we were at, No.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love the Murph folk. I think they
were great, and I went back when they made an
emphasis about the tails. I really started started to think, like, okay, like,
so what's really going on here? Like did they not
have tails? And I was trying to look and see
and then when you finally see that they have these fins,
Oh though, that was cool, Like you've already mentioned just
the the subtle differences in their physique and their builds,
like being more like kind of like skinny and slanky
to the more buff and like jacked versions that they are. Yeah,
I just I really really liked liked the world, and
I liked their designs and all that they just they
look super cool. The chief was really really awesome. I'm
glad that he's still alive because I really liked his
character and I'm excited to see what more comes out
of them.
Speaker 1: Not to go back on the cons here, we keep
getting back.
Speaker 3: Well, this is something that I don't even know if
it's really a commt. It's something I noticed when Jake
arrives at the human ship with the force of the murfolk,
and they the whale free. Willy does his thing and
lands on the boat, and then the all the navvy
storm the ship. The battle ensues, The battle goes on
for a while, and then afterwards it's just Jake and
his family left and everyone else fucked off.
Speaker 1: It's a good question, or that's a good point. Sorry,
I didn't even think about that. Actually, they totally do
just fuck off.
Speaker 3: It's weird, right, Well, there's like.
Speaker 2: A ring of fire around them.
Speaker 3: They fucked off before that too, like, oh no, fire
beats water, we gotta go. Yeah, So just it was
a peculiar thing I thought. But I just think like
maybe they thought like, okay, yeah, well I got my
daughter wore bouncing.
Speaker 1: We totally fucked them up. We totally wont that. They're
like at their village. Yeah we did it. We killed it.
It's like, where's my daughter? Where's her? Where's Jake Sulley?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Someone I actually forgot to talk about at all, which
is probably fitting for her lack of appearance, is Nittieri. Uh, Dylan,
you you briefly brought her up with the spider interaction,
But yeah, I was I was super bummed by just
like the back seatness of of of her. I feel
like the decision to have that it wasn't the most
egregious because like it's it was mostly just showcasing the
kids and like their their new environment and like the
new I don't know, just things that are going with
on on with them. But like for my favorite section
of this movie being that like intro to the Way
of Water, that was really where like Jake, Sulley and
Natiri just like disappeared. They're like doing the couple's massages
and stuff probably while you know, like like they really
just weren't on screen like at all other than spliced
in when the kids would fuck up and then Jake
would do his little talk and then they would just
kind of disappear again. And I like, I think it's
my favorite character from the first movie, So I just
was really bummed that she completely disappear. For the most part.
I did like her popping off at the end when
she goes full mom mode that like and just like
basically a demonet like she she was popping off with
her bow and arrow again. So that was a fun
little showcase. But you know, to only have that for
like seven minutes in the entire movie, when she was
such a key part of the first movie. I was
a little bit bothered by that because I really care.
I'm glad she's still alive because maybe that will mean
I am getting more. But I don't know. I don't
think I'll ever reach like the screen time that she
had in that first movie, or just like the full
effect for it, because she was really just like an
upset mom that she's like, no, Jake, we can't leave
the people, and then he like, know what we got
to It's like, okay, we're gonna do that, and then
she just just goes along with it. And I don't
know for like, she had a lot of great character
moments in the first but just just kind of back
burnered on a low tempt too, which is just never
really reaching boiling point.
Speaker 3: So yeah, she definitely was more in the back seat
for this, and I think that's that is the thing
and the trouble when you introduced new characters, this is
I always reference how Force Awakens did this, so well,
you have Luke Skywalker, you have your main head Honchows.
It's going to pull the attention away. People are gonna
want to get to see that those main juicy characters more,
and it's gonna pull the spotlight away from the new
character introductions. Now, in this instance, you have those old
characters that people really wanted to see, but then they didn't.
They didn't give them enough to kind of keep people
focused on them, and didn't give the new characters enough
to keep people focused on that. I mean, I say
that for the general audience. Me personally, I felt like
I had enough to kind of keep going with it,
But at the end of the day's always all Donna
definitely did not have enough.
Speaker 2: What kept you going with her?
Speaker 3: What kept me going on was just like seeing her
constant struggle and pain at just I just kept self
like self thinking to myself, like okay, yeah, ever since
she met like Jake, Like Jake's the the causation for
all of the pain in her life after she lost
her son, that was one thing. But when she broke
her bow, oh fuck the wood of home tree, she
was fucking livid. So and I like that Spider was
hiding from her. That just really made me feel like okay,
Like yeah, like Spider is supposed to be the feral one,
but now, like who's really the faral one in this instance,
like she was fucking spooky.
Speaker 1: Definitely not a Tarzan boy with the rebreather. I don't
think he's the firal one compared to the actual native
Navi creature there. But yeah, that I really liked that
moment too, when she was popping off and he's just
hiding from her, and it just really like puts this
lens of threat and like villain, that that the Nave
could really be perceived at by someone like so vulnerable.
You know, they got carbon reinforced bones and all these
things that Ranger Ricks told us in the first film.
Speaker 3: He he has this pre existing notion too, where he
he never got to understand or see what really happened.
He knew who his father was, but he actually he
at some point he got to see, okay, how he
really died. He got to see Natiri going full feral
mode and killing him, and so I think in that
moment it makes it even more heavier why he's hiding
because he is afraid of further Okay, this could I
could be what if I become him? What if she
kills me?
Speaker 2: So yeah, fair enough, yeah, yeah, for I don't have
much more to say on the tiery. But like for me,
like I can't think of a single scene that Natiri
and her son have together right there. There isn't any
The only reason that scene has any punch is because
once again slap that label on her. That was her son,
So obviously she's gonna have some emotional reaction. But like,
there's no there. They didn't put any effort in. There's
no effort into that relationship beyond just like the label
that's on it. So I feel heartless. But I did
not care when he died. I did not care in
that death scene because yeah, I was not given any
reason to. Yeah I am heartless, but there you go,
And I mean sorry to say what we're saying. They
you just look at the run time, three hours and
twelve minutes. There's a lot of time to give her something.
Instead they just shove all like some emotional beats in
like the last fifteen minutes of the movie. But there
there was so much time to do any anything with her,
and instead they just made her sad mom, which is
which is too bad that there's a lot more they
could have done with her. She has no story of
her own in this movie.
Speaker 1: For what she was in the first movie. It's it's
really sad that this is where she is in the
second movie. But I don't know, I'll have an open heart.
Hopefully it switches around for the next one. But I mean,
like to your point there, it's the same thing I
was kind of bringing up with like Kiri not having
any dialogue really again, like you could use Nateri there,
Like why did they not really have too many moments
together other than just when she was sad or like
scared that maybe one of them are gonna die or whatnot.
But yeah, there's just for for how much runtime we
had on on screen there, like they really didn't. They
really didn't put a lot of like character and character
like interaction for for what they could have done for
how many characters were in this film, how many like
potential really heart, I don't know, like bonding moments that
you could have had like with these family members, with
these siblings, with these just new friends. It just yeah,
like and like to thinking about some of the dialogue
that we got with like Ranger Rick and this this
lady on her like fucking exosue thing like sipping her
coffee with the suit. It's just like, really is this
worse we're spending time here. It's and God, for how
much I enjoyed like the visuals of this, It's like
it sucks that now I'm just clouded by like I'm
gonna have to get through that muck to get through
the fun stuff. But yeah, alas, here we are with
the older brother, the one that perished Yam I think
was his name. The older brother I'm gonna stick with
so I don't embarrass myself further. But I had a
kind of an inclean early on that he was gonna
be the one to die just because we really don't
have anything going on with him. Like initially I thought
the love interest like Chief's daughter and him were like
the like the couple, so I was like, okay, maybe
he's not gonna die here, like this is something that
makes him relevant, But no, it is the more interesting
younger sibling that's getting on with the chief's daughter. And
this guy is just like the cool the cool older
brother who's just like fitting into like the future chief
role really well, and that was really all he was.
So I don't think you're too heartless, Dylan, and saying
that you didn't really get affected too much Honestly, I
did get emotional, like at the end when they connect
to the world tree and there is that moment of
like the flashback. That scene got me pretty good. But yeah,
I think that's just my own emotional self getting that
action out more so than like calling back to a
really sweet sequence, because like we did get that moment
early on in the film. But just these like grieving
parents and probably just picturing myself that situation is really
what did it there.
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny. I don't know if this
was intentional, probably not, because I think James Cameron openly
hates Marvel and stuff.
Speaker 1: But she was.
Speaker 2: She had like that exact line that was like a
son for a son, which is exactly how Goodmore when
I was stole a soul for a so all, I
thought it was very funny that it was just that
exact same dialogue from a movie that I'm pretty sure
in some interviews he said it is like terrible and
he hates it, probably because it took over whatever Avatar
one for the biggest movie at the time.
Speaker 1: Now he likes it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, damn, that was some great writing.
I'm just gonna yeah, swipe that drop in my project
good to go, so we get over here. We got
a movie to Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm looking at my character last year. I feel
like I don't really have too much else to say
on anyone else, which is kind of sad that like
the youngest child she was, she was pretty cute. The
people in my theater were really loving all like the
screen screen time that she was having the little one
liners or they really love like any moments like the
kid would like hiss at their parents or something like that.
Reaction really got a good rouse out of my theater
and overall, like I was gonna ask you guys, like
how full your theater was? Mine was at least the
middle section was filled in. I don't know about the outsides, but.
Speaker 2: Mine was pretty much full. Like the first row or
two which are super close and in weird spots, I
don't know if those were taken, but otherwise it was, uh,
it was full. It seemed like quite a diverse range
of people that where they were there too, Like I
said this, kind of like older lady that was next
to me that was narrating, like Jake Suley was there,
but yeah, I don't know, seem like a whole mix
of people were into this thing.
Speaker 3: Uh, the first two rows were definitely empty ish, but
the rest theater is pretty full. I know in retrospect,
I'm madden kicking myself because I wanted to get the
tickets at the Cineplex, the reclining seats. I didn't think
it was playing there. I just assumed to look at Landmark.
I thought, oh, it's playing at Landmark. It's only it's
either or it's never both. But when I looked, I saw,
oh shit, well it's sold out there.
Speaker 2: So that was a full camer and he gets that
movie everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I said, like, I feel like most
of my feater was actually like pretty into it. It's I.
I sat to an older lady as well to my
left and I she went through a range of emotions
throughout this movie. I feel like in the beginning she
was just like, ah, like what is this. I feel
like she was kind of annoyed by the glasses, like
like when there's a she was not vibing too much
with that. But man, I don't know what point it was,
but like she got totally engaged with the film, Like
she was on the edge of her seat when the
kids were in peril, Like she was totally like covering
her mouth and really getting into it the jump scare,
like I thought she was gonna land in my lap.
She like flew out of her seat. She uh yeah,
she she. I think she really enjoyed the movie though,
but it's just funny. Out in the beginning, she was
just like like what is this And in the previews,
of course, like every trailer is a Marvel trailer, and
like her husband was like is Marvel the only one
making movies these days? Like it was just it was
just so funny, like before the movie was even sorry,
I'm like, oh, this is my crew here, like this's
gonna be a fun one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's two Marvel trailers and Mario I'm like,
I'm meeting this up. This is I don't get trailers
because the movies are so long. But yeah, it was
nice to.
Speaker 3: Sit Mario, Mario, D and D and then the two Marvels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, D and D as well, yeah, yeah, let's see.
I don't oh yeah, I should already said don't really
be anything else character wise to shout out really just
piece of shit, like Captain. It's just funny how they
have like these characters that are just like the worst
of the scum. You know, he's like, don't make money boys,
and he's just wearing like the ratty like crewman, Like yeah,
he's like the captain of the ship, but he's also
like the main fucking gunner like on Like it's just
it's just strange the way this character was bouncing around.
But yeah, there is a lot of bad writing in this.
One line that just really stuck with me in a
bad way was when Kiri is getting like kidnapped by
I think it's like when she's in the water and
then one of uh quorches like goon picks her up
with you know, his super bonded flying creature drops drops
him all of the ship and then she's and then
he like grabs her and he's like come on, sweet
cake or something like he says some like weird term
for her.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not your sweet cake or I.
Speaker 1: Think it's buttercup. I'm not your buttercup Perve, And it
was just it was really weird to hear that like
on screen. I don't know, it just it I don't know,
it just it just really was weird to hear. And
there was a couple other lines that of course I
didn't write them down while I was watching the movie,
but they really stuck with me where it was just
like man like I I didn't really notice the bad
writing in Avatar one until like my last watch, and
then now in this one, it's like oof, it did
not improve, if anything, I went down because it's just
a lot of the one liners are just so corny.
Like I mentioned some of the cheesy scenes that we
had on screen, but there were like sprinkled throughout. I
think there was a lot of.
Speaker 2: Sea sea tier. It's still very dude broie like the
first one was. And I swear like the most common
word in this movie must be bro. Everyone's calling each
other brow the whole.
Speaker 3: Because because they broke us. I was Spider for sure.
Speaker 1: Who rah When when Korch gets the flying creature, just
like hoorah, they're like, you know, doing the whole marine
chants and everything is fun times.
Speaker 3: Simplify to a video chat.
Speaker 1: He did, oh man, Okay, So when the speccups are
like first like in like the Woodland Realms and they're
popping off, war is basically starting and it's going on, Taylor,
I'm not gonna lie. I was like, man, I'm getting
a Pandora. I'm getting a Pandora Modern Warfare two, like
operator or something. I can see them full crew. I'm like,
I know, like like this, this is what I want
right now. I'm I'm yeah. They're like eight feet tall too,
just like way bigger than other characters. Just a bullet sponge.
But uh yeah no, I I definitely got that Model
Warfare two. I don't know. I guess vibe from from
just them in in the suits and in the train
and everything.
Speaker 3: When when they were stalking through the forest there and
Jake and the Tierri were just like taking up their
different positions. I love that when Jake was like silently
executing and the teary was popping off, that was those sequences.
Speaker 1: Like Assassin's Creed three vibes.
Speaker 3: Man, oh yeah, that was so cool. That's another thing
too that I really liked with the Tiri is she
did in two different sequences, and I like that they
they adapted to do that in the In the first movie,
I feel I kind of hed canon myself, where Okay,
the Navy couldn't penetrate the cockpits with their bow and
arrows because they're too far away, and I kind of
hed canon the fact that, Okay, Jake probably came in
and said, hey, you guys gotta get close up when
you launch that you got to have like your downward
motion too on your akran when you fire your arrow.
And now that's all the Tiri does, and every time
she does it it makes me just tense because it's
so fucking bone when this pilot's like looking down and
all of a sudden, this fucking arrow, like the size
of his limb just goes through the glass and penetrates them.
Speaker 1: Fuck brob the size of him honestly like a seven
yeah or something. My gosh, but.
Speaker 3: Ye on the note of arrows though, when Myles was
like when he was like mesmerized by the green like
feathered arrow that landed in front of him and he's like,
what did he say? Is like, hey, missus, Sully, you're
calling card.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's something. So with Korch's like, I guess, clone
of himself. When did he like get the memories? Is
it like basically right when he died or is it
like when he did that recording, like.
Speaker 3: When he did the recording that was that was up
to that point?
Speaker 1: And what point in like the first movie. Was that
because like when I was where they rolled out to
h hit the Tree of Souls, Okay, yeah, see, I
thought that was like way earlier in the film. So
when Korch was just like remembering things from the first movie,
it just seemed I don't know, like I mean of
his explain now that I know the timeline of it,
but it just seemed kind of fortunate. That's just like, oh,
he knows exactly about these arrows and all these things,
and I don't know, it's just I don't know. Maybe
I'm in the minority here. I just didn't grasp on
to it. But I think it could have been explained
a little bit better.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess based on what you said, he
wouldn't have known at the moment that he that she
killed him. But then when they're like very early on
is when they find his corpse, and I guess you
would see them there make the connection.
Speaker 3: So that's that's wh why I took it. Yeah, there
you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else to shout out, I got my Uh,
just a couple of VFX details I loved when they were.
Speaker 3: New.
Speaker 1: Admiral Lady is like showing Korach just the New Shebang,
and then they just have these little like crafter robots.
So many things in this movie. I'm like, man, give
me this, give me this Pandora RTS game right now.
Like we got multiple factions, now, we got so many
unique like special units. You know, we got monster units.
Fucking give it to me. You know, we got one
for Dune.
Speaker 3: I'm ready first person Yeah, friends, heers of Pandora game,
that's what we're again.
Speaker 1: I want the RTS more so than the FS. I'll
take the FPS operator pack for modern warfare. But yeah,
there's just especially like we got resources and stuff, you know,
a lot of inhumane resources. But still I just think
the different trains and stuff like that, especially if we
keep getting these movies. Somebody make this RTS game come
a really good game. I'm down, all right, anything else, no,
all right, final thoughts, I'll start with Dylan maybe yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't do numbers, but I would absolutely
give this a failing grade. And you know, I coming
off the first one watching it again recently, you know,
I don't have great memory for it wasn't super hard on.
It was really hoping going into this that I'd be
able to find some of that love for Pandora, But
I think after seeing just what they're trying to do
with these movies, I'm I'm checked out at this point.
I don't think I will see three, four, five, six, seven,
any of these other ones. I'm gonna leave that review
for you guys. At this point, I just don't think
there's gonna be anything in any of these movies that's
gonna be for me. There's just there's nothing here. There's
no substance that I'm interested in here. So yeah, really,
I don't even know if I should say I was disappointed.
I guess I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was holding on to an inklean of hope that
I might like this thing. But based on the first one,
I mean, I get maybe that was a fool's hope.
So there you go, failing grade for me on unknown
which number, but a failing grade number.
Speaker 1: One arbitrary number.
Speaker 3: I'll go next.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe it will be the more most positive. Yeah,
and like I feel like most of what I've broken
down today is on the negative side. But really I
feel like maybe that was just things that was easier
to talk about more so than just the visuals here
looked amazing and like, for me, that visual experience, cinematic experience,
it it really was amazing. And I think if you're
a big fan of the first even if you just
like the first movie, I think definitely go check this
one out in theaters. But if you are like Dylan
and you're just kind of I don't know, fifty to
fifty on it, or you just didn't really care for
the story in general, I don't think it's I don't
think it's the same effect that the first movie was,
where it was just everything everyone was talking about. Maybe
that is going to be the case for like the
next month or or so. I just for me, like
I didn't have that same effect when I left the
theater of like, holy fuck, this whole new world Pandora,
Like this is blowing my mind. And that's really what
I had in the first one. I was still blown
away by the visuals, but still I think just a
lot of those cringey story character lines, a lot of
stuff that I've already mentioned so many times. Tonight, it
just it really did bring that score down significantly, And
coming into the review, I was more positive on it. Obviously,
the more we talked about it, the more I was
kind of reminded of like, oh yeah, that's it really
kind of was nails on chalkboard at this particular moment.
But I'm I'm leaving up, you know, optimistic hope going
forward in the series that it does get better. But yeah,
I think today I'm gonna give this one a seven
out of ten, which you know, it's it's still pretty good.
I don't know what letter grade that would be, maybe
a C or C plus or something like that, because
because yeah, like for a three hour movie, like Taylor
mentioned and the non spoilers, like, I really didn't feel
the time for this and I really had to pee
at the start of it, but I managed to make it,
made it through, and I was I was really loving
visually that what was going on, and again, you know,
it was enough to buy the end. I actually had
some some tears coming out out of my my wee
little face, So that was, you know, it did something
where I wasn't just a pH seven where I'm just
feeling absolutely nothing. So yeah, I'm still wanting more Nave,
more Pandora, but unfortunately, yeah, like a seven just because
I I just I don't know, I feel like it
gets a little bit unforgivable some of the writing decisions there,
and who knows, maybe I have more viewings, it'll go,
it'll ebb and flow go up and down. But today
tis a sevenfield.
Speaker 3: So I mean, after talking about it and kind of
coming to more realizations of some of the errors and
stuff like that in retrospect, now I don't see it
shaking how I feel about this movie. I feel like,
after coming out of the gate, I know where I
kind of stand on it, and I love that first movie.
Can I put this above that first movie?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I can't. So that first movie is easily the ten
out of ten for me, but this one is a
worthy successor sequel in my opinion, I feel like everything
that we kind of get to explore is a great
world building experience. I thoroughly enjoy seeing different degrees of
development with certain characters and just kind of really being
immersed back into this alternative world of Pandora. I think
it's fascinating and just kind of like them just reaffirming
how humanity fits into here. Because going into this, like
I had that force awakens feeling like, oh my god,
it's been so long, Like I can't wait to get
in here. Like a couple of people clapped at the
end of my showing, like people like it was definitely
like excitement. So when it was going in, I was
really curious to see how humanity was going to come
into this picture, like how they're going to return, what
they're going to do. And so I feel like I
got a lot of questions answered. I got a lot
of kind of the callbacks everything that I'm a huge
sucker for, which is great, and just hitting different notes
of nostalgic things that I love in other movies that
they kind of incorporate in here. I totally jibed with,
and overall some of the narratives that they tackled, I
feel like they really they hit where I'm at in
my life. They just they kind of really hit me
extra hard, just kind of like realizing certain things and
all that kind of stuff. So I definitely had a
moments where I teared up and thought to you know,
just thinking of how that these narratives are spun and stuff,
which is really nice. But I would probably give this
a no. I'd probably go like a nine point five.
I was thinking maybe like a ten, you know, No, No,
I wouldn't give it a ten. No, because I like
the first one definitely is is that ten out of ten?
Because I feel like for me it was paceball, that's
a go check out a retrospective. But this one it
was smaller scale, and I like how you guys kind
of alluded to that that this is like the bridge
between that third one and that third one is like
the one I really want to get to, and no
flack or anything against this one, like I think the
one one was longest bridge. Yeah, this one was definitely
a condensed, smaller version of whatever they're trying to explain.
Computed that first one. The first one, I mean, we
had thousands of NAVI, it was huge. It was a big,
like epic adventure covering different areas. This one was much
more Okay, we're in the helle You mountains and then
we're in the water. Are that's it. So it was
very much more small scale to that degree, with the
biggest battle really just being the boat scene compared to
what we got in the previous one. So yeah, then
whatever they're setting up for that third one, I'm down,
I'm there. I'm seeing that there's like a nine hour
cut that James Cameron's turning in and I am so
all for that, Like I'd sit for nine hours for that.
But yeah, like, I'm glad it's filmed because I think
that'd be the kicker if it wasn't filmed already, then
I think would be if this movie doesn't do good,
we'd be in hot water. But it's already filmed, so
I think that hopefully we'll get it because I've been
jipped before with I get the sequel like Independence Day,
Resurgence and stuff like that. I get these sequels and
they set up the third one, but they never execute
it because it doesn't do well.
Speaker 2: Any sequels.
Speaker 3: There's uh three really one, two and three, and then
there's a new like spinoff remake of fourth one, so.
Speaker 1: New Willy Willy's back Willy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, the Willie Awakens.
Speaker 3: I was just say, I my last not year. I
have my tickets to go see it again this weekend,
and I highly recommend to go see it in theaters.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, say worked tonight, So I gotta go see
it again with her and again. I guess that'll be
the barometer test one where I am at on a
second viewing there, I am curious just how it does,
like financially right, because I think that was kind of
the running thing, like if it just doesn't make money,
like you know, I think they will just do three
and be done. But we'll see if it has that effect.
But thank you gentlemen for joining me tonight. That was
It was a long one. Still still an hour plus
if you're trying to time it with the movie. But
still we uh, we did a pretty good job breaking
it down. Thank you Dylan for for getting through this
super super long movie that you'll probably watch again. But still,
it was a pleasure of having you on again.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna watch it with mudst no. She she
was like, what's your quick review? And she's like, oh,
I'm glad I didn't go see it.
Speaker 3: Right on?
Speaker 1: All right, ladies and gentlemen. Links are all down below.
All the plugs were said in the beginning, thank you
for joining us, and we will see you next time.
Speaker 3: Bye.