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<v Speaker 1>Before we dive in, here's another show you can enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>in the True Story FM Family of Entertainment podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, hey, apes, Hey, you see that snickers over there?

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<v Speaker 3>No one's looking.

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<v Speaker 2>You should just take it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, don't listen to him, my son, that would be stealing.

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<v Speaker 4>And stealing is.

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<v Speaker 5>A sin, Sinchman, it's a freaking snick as may you

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<v Speaker 5>deserve to have it? Sinning really satisfies you.

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<v Speaker 3>Repent my child.

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<v Speaker 1>Virtue is the only real snack with saving for that

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<v Speaker 1>candy body is merely a gateway to Nukeet dumas.

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<v Speaker 3>Has this ever happened to you?

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<v Speaker 5>Listening to the devil on one shoulder and an angel

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<v Speaker 5>on the other, and you're not sure what to think?

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<v Speaker 1>Then we're here to help.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Pete Wright and.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Tommy Mess and this season on all the Feelings,

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<v Speaker 5>we're examining the seven deadly sins.

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<v Speaker 1>You note, the fun ones.

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<v Speaker 2>And the seven heavenly virtues.

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<v Speaker 1>Are also a thing. Through personal stories, historical oddities, and

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<v Speaker 1>way too much embarrassment, we take you on a thrilling

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<v Speaker 1>journey through all the goods and the bads you hear

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<v Speaker 1>about in church.

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<v Speaker 5>But without all that pesky church stuff. So Come join

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<v Speaker 5>us for All the Feelings Season nine, a sometimes funny

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<v Speaker 5>podcast about being human.

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<v Speaker 2>All the sins, all the virtues.

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<v Speaker 1>All in one place. Go to All the Feelings dot

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<v Speaker 1>fun to learn more or subscribe to All the Feelings

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>Game over.

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<v Speaker 1>Horror movies get a bad rap. They're cheap thrills, mindless

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<v Speaker 1>scre not cinema blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>But we here it sitting in the dark no better.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that horror is more than.

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<v Speaker 3>Just jump scares and chainsaws.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a reflection of our deepest fears. Our anxieties are okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of jump scares and chade sauce.

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<v Speaker 5>Join us, Pete right, Tommy Met's the third, Kyle Wilson

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<v Speaker 5>and Kenan ds as we cut into the dark heart

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<v Speaker 5>of horror cinema.

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<v Speaker 3>Every episode we explore a different facet of the genre,

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<v Speaker 3>from survival horror to home invasions, from zombies to birds.

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<v Speaker 3>We tickle the tropes, analyze the angles, and sharpen our

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<v Speaker 3>own access.

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<v Speaker 1>Along the way, we'll introduce you to the classics that

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<v Speaker 1>shaped the genre than the modern masterpieces that are pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the boundaries of terror sitting in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Dark as your guide to navigating the terrifying.

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<v Speaker 5>Thrilling, and sometimes hilariously bad world of horror movies.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll help you understand why we love to be scared

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe even convert you into a horror fan yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>So turn off the lights, close the basement door. Enjoina inca.

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<v Speaker 4>O.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome to this episode of Superhero Ethics. My friends, the

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<v Speaker 6>long National Nightmare is over. What started as a dream,

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<v Speaker 6>what became a nightmare? What became a dream again? What

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<v Speaker 6>has gone on and on and on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the last time you're gonna hear us do

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<v Speaker 6>a full episode on Cobra Kai, because Cobra Kai is done,

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<v Speaker 6>and so some of those repeating, contrived plot lines we're

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<v Speaker 6>only gonna get to complain about one more time.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, tonight we're actually gonna be talking mostly.

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<v Speaker 6>About the actual ethical questions, because we're trying to move

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<v Speaker 6>away from just doing reviews of these shows. But we

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<v Speaker 6>have some ethical questions about some of the contrivances and

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<v Speaker 6>some things we actually quite liked about the last five

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<v Speaker 6>episodes of Cobra Kai. We are here with myself and

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<v Speaker 6>uh Taekwondo Master Martial arts knowledge extraordinary, the head of

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<v Speaker 6>the Ethical Panda Dojo, though I have not had to

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<v Speaker 6>kill anyone to allow him to take that position, either

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<v Speaker 6>here or in Korea. Mister Paul hoppy Paul, how are

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<v Speaker 6>we doing tonight? Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>Doing pretty good tonight. Yeah. Happy to have completed watching

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<v Speaker 4>Cobra Kai.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was a journey and I'm glad we

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<v Speaker 2>want this journey.

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<v Speaker 6>And I could have skipped about two thirds of a journey,

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<v Speaker 6>but we got to the end and it was an

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<v Speaker 6>end of a journey, and there we are. I will

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<v Speaker 6>say that I am going to try and bring my

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<v Speaker 6>normal level of sedate calm attention to important detail. I

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<v Speaker 6>was under general anesthesia for a unfortunate procedure associated with

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<v Speaker 6>aging about two hours ago, so I am just a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit loopy. Not allowed to drive a car. I

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<v Speaker 6>feel fine, but it might affect this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll find out and drive a car and drive a podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>There we go, there we go, and if I drive

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<v Speaker 6>it into a wall, it means we don't go on

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<v Speaker 6>for two hours, so you know, there's some advantages there.

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<v Speaker 6>So with all that being said, we're talking obviously about

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<v Speaker 6>part three of season six, the last part of Cobra

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<v Speaker 6>Kai episodes eleven through fifteen, And if you're listening to this,

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<v Speaker 6>you may I watched it, you may not have. We

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<v Speaker 6>are going to spoil a lot of it, but really

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<v Speaker 6>it's not really about the plot as much. I think

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<v Speaker 6>it's just kind of like an overview of the of

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<v Speaker 6>the show and the questions it raised and how we

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<v Speaker 6>feel about it, both in the world of the show,

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<v Speaker 6>but also I feel like this show, like the creation

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<v Speaker 6>of it, had a lot to say, and we learned

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<v Speaker 6>a lot about what happens with shows these days and

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<v Speaker 6>how long they go on, and how the plots can

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<v Speaker 6>change and.

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<v Speaker 2>Morph and things like that. So we were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>both those things.

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<v Speaker 6>But first, Paul, why don't you just give like a

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<v Speaker 6>gen like a quick summary of what happened and kind

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<v Speaker 6>of your feelings on how this wrapped up the story.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I'll start, I guess with the overall summary,

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<v Speaker 4>which is that as we left it after season six

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<v Speaker 4>point two, Kwan had died and the tournament the Secai

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<v Speaker 4>Tai Kai had been canceled, and everybody went back to

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<v Speaker 4>their corners and of the world and resumed their lives.

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<v Speaker 4>And then due to some agitating I think by one

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<v Speaker 4>Terry Silver. The Sekai Tychai ended up being back on,

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<v Speaker 4>and the overall machinations to make that happen a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of them there, I think involved a lot of eye

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<v Speaker 4>rolling on my part. Once they actually got back into it,

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<v Speaker 4>I mostly enjoyed it. It was basically, you know a

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<v Speaker 4>series of fights where there was like who was supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to fight who, Like Samantha was supposed to fight Toy,

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<v Speaker 4>and then Samantha ended up being like, I'm gonna bow

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<v Speaker 4>out because I no longer fee Do you feel like

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<v Speaker 4>there's any conflict between you and me?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, it's a gross, point blank reference, but basically they

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<v Speaker 4>had resolved their conflict as friends as people, and so

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<v Speaker 4>sam was just like, I don't feel like I need

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<v Speaker 4>to do this, and she was like, Dad, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be so mad. He's like, no, I'm proud of you.

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<v Speaker 4>You've basically learned the lesson of Miagi though, which is like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, martial arts are for not needing to use them. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a big point, right, And that's real by

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<v Speaker 4>the way, in real life, like I've had experiences where

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<v Speaker 4>somebody kind of wanted to fight and then like within

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<v Speaker 4>a second or two they realized they didn't want to fight.

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<v Speaker 4>And if I hadn't had martial arts training, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>like I was like trying to demonstrate it. It was

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<v Speaker 4>just just there's I think something in the way you

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<v Speaker 4>carry yourself, in the way you react to some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of sort of implied physical threat, that is real, you know, And.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to bookmark that because I think there's We

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<v Speaker 6>already had the conversation a little bit in previous episodes

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<v Speaker 6>about the show, of which there have been many about

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<v Speaker 6>the difference between I am angry at you, I want

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<v Speaker 6>to use my body to inflict harm upon you, and

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<v Speaker 6>I am an athlete competing in a competition that involves

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<v Speaker 6>us performing this martial art which does involve hitting or

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<v Speaker 6>kicking you. But I'm not doing it because I don't

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<v Speaker 6>like you. I'm doing it because I want to participate

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<v Speaker 6>in this sport. And yeah, I first really didn't like

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<v Speaker 6>what Samantha did, but then when I saw more how

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<v Speaker 6>it's framed, I liked it. So well, we'll kind of

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<v Speaker 6>bookmark that because I think that's an important ethical question

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<v Speaker 6>about violence versus competition.

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<v Speaker 2>But for sure, going on with the story itself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so so basically Tory is gonna fight Zari in

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<v Speaker 4>the final, except like there is no Cobra Kai kind of,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's like what's up with that? And then Robbie's

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<v Speaker 4>fighting Axel, the big you know, martial arts machine from

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<v Speaker 4>the Iron Dragons, who are the you know, the other

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<v Speaker 4>main basically they're the remaining villain because Cobra Kai kind

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<v Speaker 4>of has removed itself in terms of Master Kim killed

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<v Speaker 4>Grandmaster Kim and took back her dojang and so, but

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<v Speaker 4>like they're in the forest in Korea, so they no

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<v Speaker 4>longer really had it was.

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<v Speaker 6>Their student who died, and they kind of want no

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<v Speaker 6>more part of this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and Crease basically just wants Toy to compete because

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<v Speaker 4>he's like, you should compete. I'm sorry, but like you

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to accept my apology. Just know that, like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, basically, And there's a whole big thing with

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<v Speaker 4>Crease that I think is worth getting into. I'm mostly

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<v Speaker 4>summarizing the tournament, I think, because those are kind of

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest beats in like a turn, like structurally, I think,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, although I felt like the heart of this

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<v Speaker 4>season really was actually Crease going on like an apology tour. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and so so where was right, So Robbie's fighting the

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<v Speaker 4>big dude and he's getting whooped, and then he's making

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<v Speaker 4>a comeback, and then the wolf, since a wolf who's

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<v Speaker 4>the head of that dojo, is like, you know, break

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<v Speaker 4>his leg basically, so he breaks his leg, and so

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<v Speaker 4>Robbie's leg is broken, so he can't continue, and as

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<v Speaker 4>a result, you know, Miyagi Do isn't going to like

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<v Speaker 4>replace him as a fighter, and I kind of thought

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<v Speaker 4>that they were going to like have a replacement at

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<v Speaker 4>the last minute, but they didn't do that, and instead

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<v Speaker 4>Miyagi Do loses. They're eliminated from the tournament. And Iron

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<v Speaker 4>what are they their Iron Iron Dragon, right, They're they're

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<v Speaker 4>going They're there like presumptive winners. But then Johnny takes

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<v Speaker 4>back Cobra Kai brings Miguel over, and Miguel and Tory

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<v Speaker 4>both win their fights, but the overall score is hide.

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<v Speaker 4>So now Johnny has to fight sense a Wolf and

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<v Speaker 4>Feng Shao and like, and he wins, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>basically everybody loves happy Happily ever after, except for Chrise

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<v Speaker 4>and Silver, who blow up on Silver's yacht because Chris

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<v Speaker 4>uses his cigar in a Merc Solis fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is very very very very very foreshadowed.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they really they're like there's yeah, and you know

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<v Speaker 7>there's there's smaller things like you know, Carbon has the

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<v Speaker 7>baby successfully without any more intervention from the writers.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, Johnny proposes just before that, and they

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<v Speaker 4>get married by a former Cobra Kai member right from

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<v Speaker 4>the Karate Kid. And and you know it's Dimitri and

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<v Speaker 4>and Hawk like make up and they both go to

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<v Speaker 4>Caltech together. And this is the whole thing that's like

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<v Speaker 4>plot related but I didn't care for with computers and stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>but the fact that they kind of like got along lovely.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Moon gets back with Demitri, Okay, fine, everybody

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<v Speaker 4>can be happy. Chosen gets together with like Master Kim

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<v Speaker 4>okay cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And they hate I know this, but Moon is with Hawk, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>mean is with Dimitri?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my bad. I thought I might be watching that.

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<v Speaker 2>The part you were most dialed in on.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm if I could have chosen to get any one

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<v Speaker 4>part of that wrong, it would have been that there

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<v Speaker 4>are not you know, like Chosen's name and and then

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<v Speaker 4>like Miguel and and uh Deman Sam are going to

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<v Speaker 4>like schools on you know, twelve hour flight apart, but

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<v Speaker 4>there's like a nice you know, no, I want what's

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<v Speaker 4>best for you. I want you to do what you

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<v Speaker 4>think is not like oh, stay here for me kind

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<v Speaker 4>of thing, or oh, I'll go with you, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, no, I'll go with you to visit and

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<v Speaker 4>then I'll come home and go to my school.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's kind of start there.

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<v Speaker 6>Because and this is more on the review side, but

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's kind of a lot of what the

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<v Speaker 6>this last half they kind of pulled themselves back from

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<v Speaker 6>been happening for a while now. And one of the

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<v Speaker 6>first is that there's an awful lot of like low

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<v Speaker 6>hanging fruit of cliches and tropes and stuff that they

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<v Speaker 6>chose to break, and especially ones that you and I

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<v Speaker 6>have talked about that are not just like annoying but

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<v Speaker 6>are actually kind of like problematic and not great. One

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<v Speaker 6>of those being like every pregnancy has like massive complications.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, someone who's a pregnant spouse. I really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to see that.

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<v Speaker 6>But another is this idea that, like, I like high

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<v Speaker 6>school romances. I think they're fun to watch, I think

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<v Speaker 6>they're interesting and can say a lot, But often there's

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<v Speaker 6>this sort of contrivance of oh, therefore, like they fell

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<v Speaker 6>in love in high school and they survived the plot

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<v Speaker 6>problems that this movie or TV show threw at them,

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<v Speaker 6>so they must be true love who will go on to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be together forever.

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<v Speaker 6>And like I liked that this show never did Like

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<v Speaker 6>I liked the show both at the very beginning and

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<v Speaker 6>at the very end, Like it had Danny starts with

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<v Speaker 6>a wife who is not the girl who was the

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you know, although Karate Kid too did that. But

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, yeah, but like it could have it could have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they could have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, he was a love interest in all three movies,

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<v Speaker 2>so it could have been any of those.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly, but they didn't. They're like, no, he met

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<v Speaker 4>someone off camera, yea, And.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Chosen actually goes after the love interest from the

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<v Speaker 6>second movie, and that's a whole other thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but then that doesn't work out either, right, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the to me, one of the dumbest things

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<v Speaker 6>people can do. And like, if any seventeen year older

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<v Speaker 6>are listening to this and you're getting ready to go

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<v Speaker 6>to the same college you's your sweetheart, forgive me if

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<v Speaker 6>I'm calling you dumb, but I'm calling you a little dumb.

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<v Speaker 6>Like the number of people I think who go off

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<v Speaker 6>to college with their sweetheart with everything. They're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna put aside everything to go be with where

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<v Speaker 6>this person wants to be, Like, you cut yourself off

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<v Speaker 6>from a lot. Like I mean, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 6>go to college. There's all sorts of different directions people

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<v Speaker 6>can go. And you know he's staying. You and I

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<v Speaker 6>are best friends from high school who have stayed really close.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and who didn't go to the same high school

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<v Speaker 4>even yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>We didn't the same high school and we definitely didn't

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<v Speaker 6>go to the same college. Yeah you went to college,

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<v Speaker 6>like trying to visit it there, But like the point

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<v Speaker 6>being that, like I think it's one of the worst cliches.

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<v Speaker 6>And I like got viscerally angry when Miguel showed up

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<v Speaker 6>at the airport where Sammy was getting ready to go

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<v Speaker 6>to Okinawa.

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<v Speaker 2>But then he was like, no, no, no, I'm not transferring.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to Stanford, which has been my dream.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm but I'm just gonna go with you to like

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<v Speaker 6>help you settle in and spend a couple more weeks.

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<v Speaker 6>And what I thought was there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>really bad writing in this season, but in one of

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<v Speaker 6>my thought the best lines, you know, he said, like,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I know we have to break up soon,

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<v Speaker 6>but like not or we have to.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I don't think he said that.

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<v Speaker 6>What he said something about something about the words soon

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<v Speaker 6>of like you know that like soon we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 6>a part for a long while, right, And what she

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<v Speaker 6>says is but soon can.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait a little bit longer, exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's like that, Like you know, it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>we're gonna not be up together this whole time, but

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<v Speaker 6>that's fine. And where it's having Dmitri and Hawk decide

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<v Speaker 6>to do it because they're best friends who are working

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<v Speaker 6>on this business model, which, let me just ask you,

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<v Speaker 6>in a martial arts fight, my impression has always been

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<v Speaker 6>that split second decision making is fairly important. So if

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<v Speaker 6>there was a computer watching the moves of your opponent

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<v Speaker 6>calculating it through it like a lightning fast algorithm and

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<v Speaker 6>then you heard a recording in your voice saying left kick,

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<v Speaker 6>Like whatever, how do you think that would affect your

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<v Speaker 6>combat abilities?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it's it's I mean making it's like

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<v Speaker 4>actual unconscious competence of like instinctive reaction. That is most

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<v Speaker 4>of what actual mark s Art's performance is, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>actual fighting. Not that there isn't strategy that that can

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<v Speaker 4>be composed over a somewhat longer timeframe, you know, but

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, having a useful AI would be something like

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<v Speaker 4>and this is speaks to the coaching that didn't really

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<v Speaker 4>exist during the tournament, where they're more like, let's just

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<v Speaker 4>do locker room speeches because kind of a central tenet

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<v Speaker 4>of Cobra Kai seems to be, you know, the inspiration

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<v Speaker 4>and the speech that you give someone is like, what's

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<v Speaker 4>going to make them a better fighter? Not like they're

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<v Speaker 4>dropping their right arm, you know, right or like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>the most useful thing I ever got from a coach

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<v Speaker 4>in a fight, which was between rounds because you can't

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<v Speaker 4>really do much during rounds, was you know, try skipping sidekick,

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<v Speaker 4>backkick and act kick combination. And I did, and I

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<v Speaker 4>hit the dude in the face multiple times and then

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<v Speaker 4>the mat was bloody and like that, like because my coach,

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<v Speaker 4>who'd had decades more experience than me, recognized that, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's something that'll probably work here. It might not work,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's not like, oh do this do that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like or like this like big inspirational thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like it's you. You can observe things and then

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<v Speaker 4>make suggestions, but like, you know, unless it's like this

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<v Speaker 4>is the counter that we're going to be working out. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to be throwing a back kick, right, it's

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<v Speaker 4>like now, you know, if I do think it's possible

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<v Speaker 4>to like receive some signal, some external signal that's like

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<v Speaker 4>this is the time to do the thing, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>not time to explain what the thing is, right and

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<v Speaker 4>have you do the thing like in time for it

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<v Speaker 4>to be Sighting a bunch of like mid air cartwheels

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<v Speaker 4>or like like flips isn't generally that useful in fights either,

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<v Speaker 4>which you.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, especially because like the idea of the technology they

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<v Speaker 6>built is that it allows one person to fight like

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<v Speaker 6>someone else, so that a person it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 6>being able to like, Okay, I want my batting practice

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<v Speaker 6>picture to throw exactly like Greg Matic, so I can

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<v Speaker 6>practice batting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gragmatics.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, the problem is your batting practice picture doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>have the muscle control and memory to know. And so

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<v Speaker 6>the idea first of all that Miguel who's wearing this thing,

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<v Speaker 6>could like change his own instincts. But also yeah, now

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<v Speaker 6>do those things that you can't do what Axel can

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<v Speaker 6>do anyway?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and like his limbs aren't the same, right, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, so yeah, yeah, no, that was preposterous. That

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<v Speaker 4>was definitely preposterous. You know. Was it more of a

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<v Speaker 4>contrivance than the fact that just about every storyline wrapped

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<v Speaker 4>up in a nice bow and everybody lived happily ever

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<v Speaker 4>after unless they blew up on a yacht or murdered

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<v Speaker 4>by their granddaughter. Not really, but it's more obviously like

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<v Speaker 4>a well, that literally couldn't happen, as opposed to like,

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that could happen, you know, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been to a tournament? Have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard of a tournament.

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<v Speaker 6>Where if the students get end in a tie, the

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<v Speaker 6>senses have to fight each other.

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<v Speaker 4>I have not, I have not heard of such a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there are tournaments where the instructors will also

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<v Speaker 4>be competing, you know, And I mean I've done that.

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<v Speaker 4>I've competed at a tournament that my students were competing at.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very uncomfortable. Like in general, it's a very

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<v Speaker 4>awkward kind of thing, you know. Yeah, it's weird. Also

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<v Speaker 4>when teachers fight each other. I remember fighting the teacher

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<v Speaker 4>from another school and you know, we were fighting and

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<v Speaker 4>like there were some of our students are there, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's like it was weird. You know, you can't see it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, like I'm sure that like a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>people are coaches because they're not Like I'm sure some

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<v Speaker 6>coaches are still very much in the prime of their

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<v Speaker 6>physical abilities, but some are also like, yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 6>tell you how to do that because my back hurts

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<v Speaker 6>a lot now, my knees are shot.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Or like I mean, having trained with multiple gold

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<v Speaker 4>medalists in Korea and like when they're in taekwondo competing shape, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they're super thin and very fast and not like they

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<v Speaker 4>can't hit hard, but they they don't have like a

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<v Speaker 4>ton of muscle, right, because there are weight divisions and

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<v Speaker 4>height and reach and speed are like the primary decisive factors.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, because in that it's the competition. Your goal is

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<v Speaker 6>to physically make contact, not to hit with enough force

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<v Speaker 6>to like knock someone down or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then a lot of these former gold medalists,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I guess you're a gold medalist for life.

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<v Speaker 4>But like people who won gold medals maybe a decade

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<v Speaker 4>prior and now are purely instructors. They're like built, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in a different way where they've like put on twenty

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<v Speaker 4>thirty pounds of muscle and they couldn't compete effectively anymore,

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<v Speaker 4>probably because they because somebody lighter and thinner, somebody of

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<v Speaker 4>their weight is going to be much tall and be

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<v Speaker 4>able to score points really fast. But they will break

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<v Speaker 4>you like they like, you know, able to do like

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<v Speaker 4>flying pushups, like still really able to fight, but not

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<v Speaker 4>in the same sort of competitive way. So it's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as bodies change, I mean, and then yeah, once you

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<v Speaker 4>get to be fifty seventy ninety, you know your body's

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<v Speaker 4>going to respond differently. But like even just from like

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<v Speaker 4>the late teen's early twenties, which might be the build

424
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<v Speaker 4>for one sport version of a martial art getting into

425
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<v Speaker 4>this is kind of something I was saying in the

426
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<v Speaker 4>first third when we were talking about I was like, Yeah,

427
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.559
<v Speaker 4>these kids are not going to do well in a

428
00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:42.880
<v Speaker 4>But it turned out the whole thing was under eighteen,

429
00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:45.240
<v Speaker 4>which I didn't understand at that point when I was

430
00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:47.960
<v Speaker 4>making that statement. I still stand by the fact that

431
00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:51.880
<v Speaker 4>the people right exactly, the people who had been training

432
00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:54.640
<v Speaker 4>since they were like three, probably would have had an

433
00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:56.680
<v Speaker 4>advantage over the kids who start when they're like sixteen.

434
00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:02.000
<v Speaker 4>You know, but yeah, I forgot the question.

435
00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Well exactly, that's what you said. It's the same way.

436
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.720
<v Speaker 6>So let's stay on this idea of the competition, because

437
00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:10.599
<v Speaker 6>this was another thing I thought the show wound up

438
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:14.640
<v Speaker 6>doing quite well, and we've talked a lot about how

439
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.720
<v Speaker 6>it seemed like all the way back to the movies.

440
00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.720
<v Speaker 6>The show has kind of tried to meld two ideas,

441
00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.799
<v Speaker 6>which is, two people who have a conflict want to

442
00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:32.279
<v Speaker 6>settle it physically with violence, and two people want to

443
00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:37.960
<v Speaker 6>compete in a sport in which an act that is

444
00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.119
<v Speaker 6>construed as violent in other contexts is the act by

445
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.440
<v Speaker 6>which the sport is decided, you know, like boxing or

446
00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:47.319
<v Speaker 6>in this case, you know, Rodny, or mixed martial arts.

447
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:51.440
<v Speaker 6>And I think that's been a frustration for surely for

448
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:52.880
<v Speaker 6>myself and I think for both of us, is that

449
00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.759
<v Speaker 6>sometimes it's been kind of like assuming that one always

450
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 6>has to be the other and all this kind of stuff,

451
00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:00.000
<v Speaker 6>and that so often it was like, oh, I hate you,

452
00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.920
<v Speaker 6>I hate We're gonna have our karate fights like in school.

453
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.599
<v Speaker 2>And you know, all this kind of stuff. And so

454
00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:07.279
<v Speaker 2>when it got to.

455
00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:10.319
<v Speaker 6>The point where it said that, Sam was like, I

456
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.920
<v Speaker 6>don't hate Tory anymore, so I don't want to fight her.

457
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:15.920
<v Speaker 2>And first I was gonna be really bothered by that.

458
00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:19.359
<v Speaker 6>Because it especially because we no longer had anyone who

459
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 6>was not cartoonishly evil on the other side. You know,

460
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.559
<v Speaker 6>Zara just dials up the I am an influencer in

461
00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:32.640
<v Speaker 6>the most misogynistic view of influencers that you've ever seen,

462
00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:36.559
<v Speaker 6>and I'm gonna be terrible and say, like the most

463
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.200
<v Speaker 6>mean girl, mean girl that could instagram a mean girl.

464
00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:42.000
<v Speaker 6>And then Axel is like, no, I want to be

465
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.960
<v Speaker 6>a nice guy, but I'm gonna snap people's legs like

466
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:45.640
<v Speaker 6>it's just you.

467
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Know, and it's well, I'm gonna do it and then

468
00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.319
<v Speaker 4>feel and feel conflicted and then feel bad about it later.

469
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 4>And not because there was a thing where his.

470
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:56.559
<v Speaker 6>Right, he doesn't do it later, but yeah, but like

471
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:58.920
<v Speaker 6>it just so it felt to me like, are you

472
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:01.680
<v Speaker 6>really saying that, like in a competition, your enemies have

473
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:03.480
<v Speaker 6>to all be terrible people or else you don't want

474
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.759
<v Speaker 6>to compete with them. But where it got to actually

475
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:08.559
<v Speaker 6>was very much the opposite, I thought, because what I

476
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:09.839
<v Speaker 6>at least took from it and tell me if you

477
00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:13.359
<v Speaker 6>feel the same, was it was basically saying like, look, no,

478
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:17.000
<v Speaker 6>and that Danny was this is part of what Danny

479
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:18.880
<v Speaker 6>was saying that he had learned from Miyagi is that

480
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.119
<v Speaker 6>it is totally fine to compete if you want to compete.

481
00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.720
<v Speaker 6>That going into a competition because you're mad at someone

482
00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:29.960
<v Speaker 6>is the opposite of what Miyagio was supposed to be

483
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.240
<v Speaker 6>all about, because Miaguido is supposed to be about defense

484
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:36.680
<v Speaker 6>when it's not like competition. And so he was kind

485
00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:38.480
<v Speaker 6>of like helping her get to a point and being like, yeah,

486
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.759
<v Speaker 6>I don't want to fight Tori. And then if she

487
00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.039
<v Speaker 6>still wanted to be a competitor, she could have been like, Okay, cool,

488
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.160
<v Speaker 6>now I feel really great about wanting to just compete

489
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:50.799
<v Speaker 6>against my friend. But that the place she got to

490
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.759
<v Speaker 6>was like, oh, I never really wanted to be a competitor.

491
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:55.279
<v Speaker 6>I just wanted to beat up all the people who

492
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:58.279
<v Speaker 6>were mean to me and you know, fight alongside, you know,

493
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:00.599
<v Speaker 6>protect my father's legacy at all this kind of stuff,

494
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.839
<v Speaker 6>and that, you know, it felt, especially given that there'd

495
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:06.480
<v Speaker 6>been this kind of like Tennis mom aspect to some

496
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.240
<v Speaker 6>extent with her relationship with Danny, her being able to

497
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 6>be like, yeah, I don't the reason why I would

498
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.799
<v Speaker 6>be in this competition is either to make my dad

499
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:16.839
<v Speaker 6>proud of me or not make him mad at me,

500
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:18.200
<v Speaker 6>because I don't want to do what he wants to

501
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.960
<v Speaker 6>do in order to hurt someone who don't want to

502
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:22.920
<v Speaker 6>hurt anymore. So I'm just not gonna be in the competition.

503
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:25.200
<v Speaker 6>And I thought that was actually remarkably healthy.

504
00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I agree. I think you know, her her journey

505
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:35.279
<v Speaker 4>like throughout the series, started from a point of she

506
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:39.119
<v Speaker 4>had trained in karate from a young age, really loved

507
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.720
<v Speaker 4>it for itself, right, not so much like as a competitor,

508
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.759
<v Speaker 4>not as a fighter, but as as an artist, really

509
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:51.400
<v Speaker 4>as a martial artist, you know. And you know, and

510
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 4>she grew up with Miyagi like as practically her grandfather, right,

511
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 4>I think, yes, And oh, By the way, the as

512
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:01.680
<v Speaker 4>much as I hate the like hole bringing up the

513
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.000
<v Speaker 4>whole miagi thing, Like, the one moment that I like

514
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 4>teared up in this season semi season was when they

515
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:14.519
<v Speaker 4>were talking about his backstory and that when he beat

516
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.279
<v Speaker 4>up that one guy, it was because that guy had

517
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:21.279
<v Speaker 4>taken something from his wife was in an internment camp. Yeah,

518
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.640
<v Speaker 4>and then she had died in the intern I was like, uh,

519
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.920
<v Speaker 4>because like, that's not that's not about this story. That's

520
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.880
<v Speaker 4>just about the the horrors of the world we live in.

521
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he was a Japanese American in the forties. That's

522
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:34.559
<v Speaker 6>back going to be a part of his experience exactly.

523
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:42.279
<v Speaker 4>And so but so, Sam like she was a reluctant

524
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 4>participant in all this, But I think when she was

525
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 4>really motivated, a lot of it was for some pretty

526
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.640
<v Speaker 4>bad reasons, right, And that doesn't mean it was necessarily

527
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Speaker 4>the wrong thing for her to do, but just like

528
00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:00.319
<v Speaker 4>there were there. It was kind of motivated by a

529
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.480
<v Speaker 4>lot of negative emotions, right. It wasn't like I want

530
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:07.200
<v Speaker 4>to achieve this, or that I want to demonstrate this,

531
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 4>or that I want to compete for the sake of competition.

532
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.559
<v Speaker 4>But it was like, you know, the dynamic with with

533
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.279
<v Speaker 4>her and Tori and and you know, the whole weird

534
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.400
<v Speaker 4>thing with her and Robbie and Miguel early on, which

535
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.559
<v Speaker 4>I'm happy that they like really just kind of left

536
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:26.319
<v Speaker 4>that behind, you know. And and so I think her

537
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, circle, like she really her circle is complete,

538
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 4>like she really comes around full circle. And like she's

539
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 4>going to Okinawa, right, and like that's very tied into karate,

540
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 4>Like that's why she's going there, because she you know.

541
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.839
<v Speaker 6>And it felt like like to my sense was like

542
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 6>she might take a karate class or two, but more

543
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:50.079
<v Speaker 6>she's going to study at this like university in Okinawa

544
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 6>or was gonna learn about basically her grandfather's cultures and

545
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:56.960
<v Speaker 6>life and yeah, for sure, and karate is a part

546
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:58.319
<v Speaker 6>of that. Yeah, She's not going to like go to

547
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.079
<v Speaker 6>a karate academy. She's going to go to a you

548
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:01.640
<v Speaker 6>know college.

549
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah. But I mean like culturally, it's like,

550
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 4>you know, culturally, she's like a quarter Okee Nolin kind

551
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:12.960
<v Speaker 4>of you know, like or like her grandfather is you know,

552
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 4>her sort of adopted grandfather is Okay Nolin, and you know,

553
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 4>she misses him and and she wants to know more

554
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.400
<v Speaker 4>about like where he came from basic right, and and

555
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 4>where the art that she's practiced for like a decade

556
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 4>and a half comes from right. And so so I

557
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 4>thought that was a nice way to kind of close

558
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:38.799
<v Speaker 4>off her character arc because it and not arc like

559
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.000
<v Speaker 4>really circle, kind of like where in a way, she

560
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.000
<v Speaker 4>comes back to where she was in the beginning, except

561
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 4>with a different understanding kind of of who she is

562
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:49.559
<v Speaker 4>and what she's interested in. Okay, it's an arc.

563
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.640
<v Speaker 6>I mean I think I think it's both because to me,

564
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.880
<v Speaker 6>what she basically does is she gets caught up in

565
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 6>this cycle of violence, and I think the show has

566
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 6>this cycle go around a few too many times, and

567
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Speaker 6>she becomes very repetitive.

568
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but in the end she's able to break the cycle.

569
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:09.319
<v Speaker 6>And I feel like, I feel like that is kind

570
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.359
<v Speaker 6>of my best way of explaining how I feel about

571
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:13.960
<v Speaker 6>a lot of the main plot points is that it

572
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 6>felt like seasons one and two and maybe a little

573
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 6>bit three set up these really interesting dynamics that were

574
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.759
<v Speaker 6>leading in certain places, and then it was kind of like,

575
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 6>and I don't I'm kind of getting here into the

576
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 6>behind the scenes stuff and I don't know actually what happened,

577
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:31.799
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, a lot of reports that I've read has

578
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.559
<v Speaker 6>been that like LaRusso wanted to get or no, what's

579
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:39.200
<v Speaker 6>that actor's name, Ralf Maccio wanted to get a lot

580
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:41.440
<v Speaker 6>more involved in the show. But on that like there

581
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.039
<v Speaker 6>were like, you know, polls and stuff that showed that

582
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:45.759
<v Speaker 6>he was the most popular in the show or whatever,

583
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 6>and like it became a lot more about his character

584
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.079
<v Speaker 6>and we and also just you know, Netflix had a

585
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:54.680
<v Speaker 6>really popular show. They didn't want to end it, and

586
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.640
<v Speaker 6>to me, it felt like what could have been a

587
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.359
<v Speaker 6>two or three season show became a six season show,

588
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.559
<v Speaker 6>and along the way, we got tied into a lot

589
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.240
<v Speaker 6>of like, wait a minute, wasn't the point that Sam

590
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 6>was gonna break this cycle? And wasn't the point that

591
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 6>the other things are gonna happen? It wasn't also part

592
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.640
<v Speaker 6>of the point that this was mostly Johnny's redemption in

593
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.039
<v Speaker 6>the end of the day, right, And it really did

594
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 6>feel like the end of the season they were like, oh, right, okay,

595
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 6>and like, so what you said about like how Johnny

596
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 6>becomes head of Cobra Kai again and Robbie and Miguel

597
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 6>and Tory fight for Cobra Kai completely and utterly contrived,

598
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 6>and the dialogue. We both separately came up with the

599
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 6>idea that chat GBT might have written part of the

600
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 6>dialogue to get so bad, But then it gave us

601
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 6>the two or three episode like no, here's Johnny's full

602
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 6>like the end of his arc and the end of

603
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:42.599
<v Speaker 6>his Students arc.

604
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought those were really well and I think Sam

605
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 2>same with Sam.

606
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 6>You know, it just kind of got like you could

607
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.440
<v Speaker 6>have had Sam had that exact same revelation four seasons ago,

608
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 6>but it still was great to get it now.

609
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I mean I think what I don't know

610
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 4>what happened in the writer's room, Right, This was a

611
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 4>YouTube spec TV series, right, it was YouTube bread or

612
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 4>whatever it was called for the first two seasons, and

613
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:10.480
<v Speaker 4>then it got acquired by Netflix. He ran it on

614
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:14.440
<v Speaker 4>Netflix and then and then made I think season three

615
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:21.319
<v Speaker 4>forward were Netflix, So it was actually different studio essentially. Yeah,

616
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 4>I may need to look that up to make sure

617
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:24.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm not just like.

618
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Man, I'm not doubting you did about it one the other.

619
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but like I I completely agree that this is

620
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:38.839
<v Speaker 4>something that it was. It was the sort of thing

621
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 4>where basically you had an idea like the first the

622
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:52.240
<v Speaker 4>first two seasons, I think introduced some yeah, YouTube bread,

623
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 4>YouTube premium, It introduced some interesting ideas. It basically took

624
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.599
<v Speaker 4>a couple of characters decades after they'd been left off,

625
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.599
<v Speaker 4>which I think very very rarely works, and I think

626
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 4>it totally made it work in the beginning, you know.

627
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm not saying it was always brilliant writing,

628
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.359
<v Speaker 4>but I think it had there was a lot going

629
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.720
<v Speaker 4>for it, and it was kind of a small show,

630
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:19.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, that was successful, but it was like it

631
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 4>was small in terms of its scope. And then once

632
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:29.240
<v Speaker 4>they started introducing a bunch of people from before, and

633
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:33.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, and there was a big gap actually between

634
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.240
<v Speaker 4>the second and third seasons, like almost two years, and

635
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, you've got the pandemic and everything, but also

636
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 4>you've got the switch from YouTube to Netflix. I think

637
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.680
<v Speaker 4>what happened is they're like, oh, we have a franchise,

638
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:46.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, and I mean, you know, Karate Kid was

639
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 4>already you know, started this franchise, right, but like Cobra

640
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 4>k Kai basically turned into like, now we can have

641
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:57.319
<v Speaker 4>this like you know, cobraverse or Karate Kid verse or

642
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.359
<v Speaker 4>put you know, Miagi verse. I think that's the word

643
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:03.279
<v Speaker 4>they use. And like somehow it crosses over with it

644
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 4>Mon four also, But you know, but like what happens

645
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.840
<v Speaker 4>I think is you have an idea in the beginning

646
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 4>of like here's the overall idea of what we want,

647
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 4>what we want to do with these characters and this story, right,

648
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:22.440
<v Speaker 4>and then as a show gets more successful, it gets

649
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:26.239
<v Speaker 4>harder and harder to not make more of it. Yeah, right,

650
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 4>because it's making money. All the people involved in the

651
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 4>show are making money. It's selling marchandise. You know, nobody

652
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:35.920
<v Speaker 4>wants to wrap it up. I mean my understanding is

653
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 4>that a show like Breaking Bad, it took like effort

654
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.559
<v Speaker 4>to be like, no, this is the end of the show.

655
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 4>And then you know it wasn't because there's spinoffs and whatever,

656
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.079
<v Speaker 4>but like you know, but it was like, no, this

657
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 4>is this is the end. We're actually going to end

658
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 4>it here, you know. And I think like this show

659
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 4>suffered from from its own success a little bit where

660
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.119
<v Speaker 4>it's like, yeah, they could have had a lot of

661
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 4>what happened in this third of a season happen in

662
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.639
<v Speaker 4>say a season four or five, that all the seasons

663
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 4>were normal length, and you wouldn't have just like been

664
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.920
<v Speaker 4>going in circles and circles and circles, you know, And

665
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:16.880
<v Speaker 4>so I think there was an idea of here's where

666
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.800
<v Speaker 4>we want to end up, but like, in order to

667
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 4>get there, we need to maintain a level of conflict

668
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:25.599
<v Speaker 4>that just made it feel like things were just like

669
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.480
<v Speaker 4>people weren't growing like they would, right, and then they

670
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.480
<v Speaker 4>would revert to saved form basically.

671
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.039
<v Speaker 6>You know, I think that's a perfect way to put it,

672
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:36.159
<v Speaker 6>because we often talk about the trope of the will

673
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 6>they won't they not like we specific and superherotics, but

674
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 6>in the immedia discussions, and that's most oftenly phrased in

675
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.119
<v Speaker 6>terms of a romantic thing of like these two characters

676
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 6>of tension, and a lot of times some of the

677
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 6>worst things is where it's not just that they can't

678
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 6>let the show end if they can't imagine what the

679
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.159
<v Speaker 6>show would look like if they resolve that main tension. Yeah,

680
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 6>and like Chuck is one of my favorite examples of

681
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.320
<v Speaker 6>both sides of it, where for a couple of seas

682
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 6>they kept letting them almost get together, and then for

683
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 6>more and more contrived reasons, they didn't, and then finally

684
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:07.719
<v Speaker 6>they did and they realized, oh wait, we.

685
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Can actually still have a show where they're just together.

686
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's okay.

687
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 4>And then they split them up again, and then they

688
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.119
<v Speaker 4>wiped someone's mind and oh my goodness.

689
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 8>You know, but like I feel like the season of

690
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 8>them being romantic together and it just okay, sure, and

691
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 8>I think this remind like I've kind of known this,

692
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.599
<v Speaker 8>but I think this was a good reminder, Like this

693
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.800
<v Speaker 8>had a very specific will they won't they, but it

694
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 8>wasn't romantic.

695
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:31.519
<v Speaker 6>Although I know a lot of fan fiction is written

696
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 6>about Johnny and Danny and that's totally legitimate interpretation too,

697
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 6>But it was like the can these two high school

698
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.519
<v Speaker 6>rivals see past their rivalry, recognize the growth in each other,

699
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.800
<v Speaker 6>and also kind of recognize that they've been so kind

700
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:48.159
<v Speaker 6>of balkanized by this feeling of like my way is

701
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 6>the only way that they can come to a place

702
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 6>of both accepting that the other is a legitimate form

703
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 6>of karate but.

704
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not their own. And that's okay too.

705
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And it took a while, and there was like

706
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:03.880
<v Speaker 6>a number of times I think we've said on this podcast,

707
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 6>like oh, look, Johnny and Danny are just what you said,

708
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.480
<v Speaker 6>are back to factory defaults.

709
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:09.199
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, yeah, exactly.

710
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:11.880
<v Speaker 6>But I really like the place because the place they

711
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.000
<v Speaker 6>get to is that they're no longer trying to have

712
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.639
<v Speaker 6>one united dojo, that is two different schools of karate.

713
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.679
<v Speaker 6>But there's a sense of like, yeah, you can primarily

714
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 6>study cobra kai, but go learn some miyagi do and

715
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.440
<v Speaker 6>vice versa, because once more offense focused and once more

716
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 6>defense focused, and you can focus in one direction, but

717
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 6>having a blend of things, you know, like, you know,

718
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.360
<v Speaker 6>any good guitarists like you might be like, I'm gonna

719
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.519
<v Speaker 6>be the best, you know, punk music punk guitarist. Ever,

720
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.159
<v Speaker 6>learning some jazz isn't gonna hurt, you know, learning some classical,

721
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:47.239
<v Speaker 6>learning some heavy metal.

722
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Just it's more tools in your repertoire.

723
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 6>And I kind of had that feeling at the end

724
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:53.760
<v Speaker 6>with martial arts, and I really appreciated where that got to.

725
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure, And I think I think really high

726
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.960
<v Speaker 4>percentage of serious Marshall artists do at some point study

727
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:06.159
<v Speaker 4>something else, you know, I think, and I'm sure that

728
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 4>in the past I've mentioned that, you know, the taekwondo

729
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:16.079
<v Speaker 4>that I studied came is, you know, in terms of lineage,

730
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 4>is certainly closer to cobra kai in a lot of ways.

731
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.360
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it is literally Korean as his cobra kai,

732
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:28.400
<v Speaker 4>and that that my teacher trained with someone who did

733
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:34.000
<v Speaker 4>go touate, and then that's basically what miagi do is

734
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 4>I think representative of And when I when I learned

735
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 4>this later, I was like, oh, yeah, that that makes sense,

736
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.960
<v Speaker 4>you know. Yeah, And and like my teacher would teach

737
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:46.679
<v Speaker 4>us some of that stuff, even though it wasn't really

738
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 4>in the core curriculum of taekwondo, and even though most

739
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.480
<v Speaker 4>martial arts have like a lot of kind of ancillary

740
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.000
<v Speaker 4>stuff that like you don't learn early on, but it's like, oh,

741
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 4>we actually do have grappling in this, we're just not

742
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 4>in the sport version. But like the martial art often

743
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.480
<v Speaker 4>does encompass a lot more than most people think of

744
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 4>from the outside. But having said that, like there's there's

745
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 4>arts that focus more on circular motions, that focus more

746
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:16.000
<v Speaker 4>on straight line motions, that are more soft styles, hard styles,

747
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.559
<v Speaker 4>and you know that that are specialized in kicks and

748
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.519
<v Speaker 4>high kicks and flashy kicks and ones that are mostly

749
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 4>hand based. And I have a friend who was from

750
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.119
<v Speaker 4>my taekwondo school went and started doing krap maga, and

751
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 4>I went and traded with him in Krav Magath for

752
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 4>a while, and it made so much sense because it

753
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.400
<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, here's a bunch of ways of getting

754
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.239
<v Speaker 4>out of grabs, out of chokes, stuff like that, and

755
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:43.079
<v Speaker 4>then I could just use my taekwondo to hit people

756
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 4>after that, you know, as opposed to like learning a

757
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 4>whole grappling art. But then I have another friend, another

758
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.719
<v Speaker 4>master in taekwondo, who came up together, and she learned judo,

759
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 4>and like did judo for I mean, it's probably going

760
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:57.760
<v Speaker 4>on twenty years now almost, you know, yeah, because like

761
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.800
<v Speaker 4>she saw a fight that went to the You're like, oh,

762
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.159
<v Speaker 4>well I need to know what goes on then, right,

763
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:08.400
<v Speaker 4>And so learning multiple styles, you can still have a

764
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:11.000
<v Speaker 4>primary style where like no, this is my main style,

765
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 4>but then I'm going to take from this, take from that.

766
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's basically you know Bruce Lee's philosophy, right,

767
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 4>He's not the only one, but like ge kundo is

768
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 4>essentially like you take what works and you leave what doesn't.

769
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 4>You know, you try a lot of things and they're like,

770
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.199
<v Speaker 4>oh this is working for me, I'm going to keep this.

771
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to refine this, you know, and I'm going

772
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.000
<v Speaker 4>to take something else from over here and just put

773
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:30.000
<v Speaker 4>it together right.

774
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.519
<v Speaker 6>And it feels like it's both like that buffet style,

775
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.559
<v Speaker 6>but also it's the idea of like abandoning the idea

776
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.840
<v Speaker 6>there's one true way that like the best martial art

777
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.320
<v Speaker 6>for you may not be the best martial art for me,

778
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.079
<v Speaker 6>and the best martial art for someone else and all

779
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 6>this kind of stuff.

780
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and like the best martial art for you now

781
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:51.360
<v Speaker 4>might not be the best martial art for you in

782
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:56.000
<v Speaker 4>ten or twenty years, you know, and like your body changes,

783
00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:00.239
<v Speaker 4>like your perspective changes. A lot of things change, and

784
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 4>what you want to get out of a martial art

785
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:06.239
<v Speaker 4>can change, and and so yeah, I really do feel

786
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:10.400
<v Speaker 4>strongly that they did ultimately a great job of wrapping

787
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.440
<v Speaker 4>things up and letting, you know, Danny and Johnny accept

788
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.440
<v Speaker 4>each other for who they are, appreciate, you know, the

789
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 4>other person's perspective while and like learning from the other

790
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 4>person's perspective some while also maintaining their own perspective, maintaining

791
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:32.960
<v Speaker 4>their own character. I think, you know, and this culminates

792
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 4>to me in the last fight scene where Danny's coaching

793
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.440
<v Speaker 4>Johnny and like Chosen's like, you know, you should try

794
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 4>something else, So Danny tries coaching Johnny in like a

795
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.920
<v Speaker 4>Cobra Kai Johnny type style. Yeah, and it works. And

796
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.639
<v Speaker 4>there's a moment where it feels like the last kick,

797
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.360
<v Speaker 4>like Johnny's going to do a crane kick. Oh god, yeah,

798
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:55.559
<v Speaker 4>and then he sweeps the leg.

799
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

800
00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:58.840
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, I was like, oh, He's going

801
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 4>to do a crane kick. That's I'm like, oh no,

802
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:01.559
<v Speaker 4>that was better.

803
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

804
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 6>There had already been the foreshadowing of the cigar, and

805
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 6>there were two different moments where we saw them training

806
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.400
<v Speaker 6>the crane kick was no stop foreshadowing that.

807
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 4>So give them something that is not.

808
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 6>Exactly exactly And all right, here's the weird analogy tying

809
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.079
<v Speaker 6>up a whole bunch of different media together. And you

810
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.599
<v Speaker 6>can tell me if you think I'm nuts here when

811
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 6>I was watching all that, because because one of the

812
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:29.719
<v Speaker 6>things that I'm struggling with, and I think the writers

813
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:34.920
<v Speaker 6>are struggling with, is is Cobra Kai fundamentally bad? You know?

814
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.320
<v Speaker 6>Like that's one thing that Danny believed for a long

815
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:42.280
<v Speaker 6>time was that because by teaching offense, because by teaching attack,

816
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:48.480
<v Speaker 6>that that's inherently going to become problematic and overly violence,

817
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.840
<v Speaker 6>that it's basically the way of being a bully. And

818
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:54.800
<v Speaker 6>while I think there was like a lot of truth

819
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.079
<v Speaker 6>to that, honestly, a lot of what I heard in that,

820
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.639
<v Speaker 6>because I think it's it's grappling with a Simil issue,

821
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.000
<v Speaker 6>is a lot of the I think sometimes dogmatic approach

822
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.840
<v Speaker 6>that the Jedi can have to the dark side of

823
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Speaker 6>like you know, the whole like always defend, always defend,

824
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.480
<v Speaker 6>you know, and like some of the stuff that I've

825
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:16.000
<v Speaker 6>liked most in more recent Star Wars stuff, but it

826
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:17.639
<v Speaker 6>goes all the way back to Revenge of the Sith also,

827
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.119
<v Speaker 6>you know, with like you know, only a Sith deals

828
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 6>in absolutes, which is itself an absolute like that, there's

829
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 6>often a lot of hypocrisy there, And to me, where

830
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.360
<v Speaker 6>where some of the stuff that I've really liked has

831
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:34.119
<v Speaker 6>come out is like, yeah, maybe like that the dark

832
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 6>side is a path to all sorts of terrible things.

833
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.159
<v Speaker 6>But like we've seen Ray use powers that are thought

834
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.239
<v Speaker 6>of as dark side. We saw Canaan Jerris considered like

835
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 6>one of the greatest Jedi, act out of emotion all

836
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:51.440
<v Speaker 6>the time, act out of attachment all the time, and

837
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.480
<v Speaker 6>it not necessarily be the terrible thing. And in the end,

838
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 6>one of the last scenes is Johnny kind of like

839
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 6>starting off his dojo again and he's still being a

840
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:02.679
<v Speaker 6>bit of a jerk and a bit of a bully,

841
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:04.079
<v Speaker 6>and I kind of wish it wasn't, but it's just

842
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:06.800
<v Speaker 6>kind of who he is. But he's getting it and

843
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 6>kind of like you get the sense that he's doing

844
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.559
<v Speaker 6>because he wants to help people, even though he's you know,

845
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 6>probably gonna make some kid cry at some point pretty soon,

846
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:17.599
<v Speaker 6>but but putting that aside, like he basically he points

847
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.719
<v Speaker 6>to the stuff on the wall, you know, strike first,

848
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 6>strike hard, no mercy, and he reinterprets it someone yeah,

849
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 6>he and he talks about like yeah, he specifically says

850
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 6>like you could hear these things and use it as

851
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:33.280
<v Speaker 6>justification to become an asshole. And that's a specific words use.

852
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 6>And he said that that's what he did for an

853
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 6>awful long time. But it doesn't have to be. No

854
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.800
<v Speaker 6>mercy can be about like not stop like pushing yourself

855
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.679
<v Speaker 6>to the limit, you know, And like one thing I

856
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.159
<v Speaker 6>remember you talking about a competition is like you know,

857
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.280
<v Speaker 6>when the other person's doing their best to hurt, to

858
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.639
<v Speaker 6>hit you, it's okay to do their best to hit

859
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 6>them back when they're doing their best to take your

860
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 6>money at a poker table, it's okay to you know,

861
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:54.559
<v Speaker 6>within the rules.

862
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 2>We've all agreed to try to take their money back.

863
00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:01.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And like if you're if you're in a spot

864
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 4>where it's like I don't think this person should be fighting,

865
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 4>Like you should tell your coach of the ref like, hey,

866
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.119
<v Speaker 4>that person shouldn't be fighting like they're they're clearly hurt.

867
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Like call the fight, Yeah, call the fight.

868
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.000
<v Speaker 6>Like you and I have both talked about like someone

869
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.599
<v Speaker 6>sitting down at the poker table who's clearly drunk and

870
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:20.280
<v Speaker 6>being like, I know I can take all this person's money.

871
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Speaker 6>This person should not like they cannot consent to playing

872
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:23.480
<v Speaker 6>voca right.

873
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Now, right right now. And yeah, so I did the

874
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:28.760
<v Speaker 2>dark sid analogy.

875
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:29.960
<v Speaker 6>I know is a little bit of a stretch there,

876
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.440
<v Speaker 6>but like because it's a little more genocidal than Cobra

877
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Speaker 6>Kai is you see what I'm getting with this.

878
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:39.639
<v Speaker 4>Well, the point is like there's a path of violence

879
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 4>and aggression and you know, and maybe anger and that

880
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.119
<v Speaker 4>doesn't always have to stem from or lead to hate. Yeah,

881
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:58.519
<v Speaker 4>you know, sometimes violence is the only effective response to

882
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 4>violence basically, and it's It doesn't mean it's always the

883
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 4>only effective response to violence. It doesn't mean it's a

884
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.760
<v Speaker 4>good response to nonviolence. But I think if you're going

885
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 4>to be training in violence, because that's what it is, right,

886
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:25.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, you need to acquire an understanding of you know,

887
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.039
<v Speaker 4>the purpose of that violence, Like what are you planning

888
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.360
<v Speaker 4>to use this for? You know, are you planning to

889
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.880
<v Speaker 4>use it for defense, which is basically violence against violence? Right,

890
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 4>like counter violence or you you know, and strike first

891
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.800
<v Speaker 4>can be not like I forgot exactly what Johnny said,

892
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 4>but like it can be not like, you know, just

893
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.400
<v Speaker 4>go around punching people in the face, but like when

894
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 4>somebody's like lining up to do you harm and and

895
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:04.400
<v Speaker 4>they're clearly like intent on doing that, Like you know,

896
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 4>preemptive violence is often the most effective way of you know,

897
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.760
<v Speaker 4>striking first can also be like a counter attack, like

898
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.679
<v Speaker 4>somebody's attempting to strike you, and you hit them first,

899
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 4>you know, you're first to the ball, essentially.

900
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.719
<v Speaker 6>I think at the end there he also has someone

901
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 6>is also just a general life philosophy and like be aggressive,

902
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.159
<v Speaker 6>take action, like go after the thing you want, you know,

903
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.079
<v Speaker 6>ask the person out, like don't be a thick about it,

904
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:31.440
<v Speaker 6>but you.

905
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.519
<v Speaker 4>Know, basically don't get run over in life. Yeah, it

906
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:36.880
<v Speaker 4>doesn't mean you have to push everybody around, but it means,

907
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, advocate for yourself, advocate for other people who

908
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.360
<v Speaker 4>are maybe unable to do so for themselves. You know.

909
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it does a good job of kind

910
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:48.079
<v Speaker 2>of showing that.

911
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 6>I think, like Cobra Kai has a lot more potential

912
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 6>to lead to like really bad problems. Yeah, but like

913
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.320
<v Speaker 6>there's an extent to which both Samantha and Danny both

914
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 6>sometimes are kind of like letting life pass the may

915
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.159
<v Speaker 6>and are not you know, striking for they're not taking

916
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:05.199
<v Speaker 6>action in their life and they need to both like

917
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 6>on the mat but also just life in general. But

918
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:10.239
<v Speaker 6>also and I think this is especially tru a Samantha,

919
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:13.840
<v Speaker 6>but also someone of Danny. There are moments in the show,

920
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:15.639
<v Speaker 6>and these are mostly going back a couple of seasons,

921
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 6>but where they're pushed to that breaking point where it

922
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:23.360
<v Speaker 6>feels like, you know, when instead of like having a

923
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.199
<v Speaker 6>healthy outlet for negative emotions or even just like difficult emotions,

924
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:29.960
<v Speaker 6>you oppressed and you oppressed and your oppress and then

925
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.199
<v Speaker 6>you snap right and that like I think at one point,

926
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 6>like they have Sam go to Cobra Kai for a while,

927
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.480
<v Speaker 6>particularly while she's feeling jealous about this whole like love

928
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:45.039
<v Speaker 6>multi polyhedral thing that happens. But she talks about like

929
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 6>it gave her a better because she acts really badly

930
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:50.199
<v Speaker 6>when you know, it's like teenager would do teenager things.

931
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:51.719
<v Speaker 6>I'm not like saying she's a bad character, but like,

932
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.400
<v Speaker 6>sure she has no context for how to deal with

933
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.159
<v Speaker 6>being really angry at someone and wanting to lash out.

934
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.840
<v Speaker 6>And and I just really like that. It was like that, like, yes,

935
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.280
<v Speaker 6>these are these two schools, and yes, Cobra Kai's is

936
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:07.880
<v Speaker 6>maybe a little more playing with fire, but it's not

937
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:11.440
<v Speaker 6>inherently bad. And and that like Crease was really bad

938
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.519
<v Speaker 6>and Silver was really bad, and Johnny was taken to

939
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:16.840
<v Speaker 6>that place, but as a student, then he came back

940
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:18.639
<v Speaker 6>from it, and that's that's what we're celebrating.

941
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, as a teacher, he came back from it. Yeah,

942
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 4>And that's that leads us to something that i'd really

943
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:25.960
<v Speaker 4>like to talk about. I don't know if you have

944
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:27.880
<v Speaker 4>something directly lined up next.

945
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:29.079
<v Speaker 2>But I was going to talk about Crease, which I

946
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:30.199
<v Speaker 2>think is maybe where you're going.

947
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:36.400
<v Speaker 4>But absolutely, yeah, I feel like Crease learning a lesson

948
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:42.639
<v Speaker 4>from Johnny basically and then supporting him after realizing that

949
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:48.880
<v Speaker 4>he's failed him, and like realizing that Silver is basically

950
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:52.280
<v Speaker 4>his greatest failure in terms of creating something dangerous in

951
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 4>the world, and then kind of closing off that loop

952
00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 4>and like essentially setting Johnny up to move forward in

953
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 4>Johnny's own way. You know, I thought was really powerful

954
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 4>because learning through teaching is a central tenet of martial

955
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:15.320
<v Speaker 4>arts practice. So it was really nice to see not

956
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 4>just Crease but the other senses as well, but especially

957
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 4>Crease and and Johnny actually learn so much from their

958
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.480
<v Speaker 4>students that they they kind of became different people, or

959
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:31.519
<v Speaker 4>that they became like the best versions of themselves. Yeah,

960
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.280
<v Speaker 4>because like especially like when when you're a teacher, it's

961
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:39.840
<v Speaker 4>really easy to get into this, Like, Okay, you're a student,

962
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.599
<v Speaker 4>you have a teacher, you train, maybe you get to

963
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.840
<v Speaker 4>a point where you're near your teacher's level, and like

964
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.679
<v Speaker 4>maybe then you have another teacher and you ladder up

965
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:51.760
<v Speaker 4>and at some point, you know you've got some colleagues,

966
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 4>you know you've got some peers, but at some point

967
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.519
<v Speaker 4>you're not going to have a teacher. You know, whether

968
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 4>whether you've only had one teacher, and the teacher dies

969
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.239
<v Speaker 4>or they retire, or you leave and go off on

970
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 4>your own, and you just don't have a teacher. So

971
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.639
<v Speaker 4>it's like but it's not like you don't have anything

972
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:12.800
<v Speaker 4>to learn anymore, right, And so if you're a teacher

973
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.800
<v Speaker 4>and most of your time is spent with your students,

974
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:17.960
<v Speaker 4>it's like, who are you going to learn from? You

975
00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:20.000
<v Speaker 4>learn from your students. That doesn't mean they're telling you

976
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.920
<v Speaker 4>how to throw a punch or a kick, right, But like,

977
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.800
<v Speaker 4>just like as a as a person, and also sometimes

978
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:31.360
<v Speaker 4>as you know, people can ask questions. People who know

979
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 4>the least can ask some of the most surprising questions.

980
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.039
<v Speaker 4>That's like oh yeah, or like, well I'm trying to

981
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.239
<v Speaker 4>explain it this way and that's worse worked the last

982
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 4>ninety nine times. But then this person is an understanding

983
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 4>it that way, So like I have to improve my

984
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 4>understanding of the thing to find a way to explain

985
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 4>it to that person or to teach that person or

986
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:51.239
<v Speaker 4>to see it another way.

987
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.280
<v Speaker 6>In judging for mantic gathering other card games, it's the

988
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Speaker 6>exact same, and like there are certain like levels of

989
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 6>achievement that you have to have taught others in order

990
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.519
<v Speaker 6>to get at. Yeah, it's the same philosophy. And I

991
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 6>know that, like one thing we talk about a lot

992
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:07.239
<v Speaker 6>is that like a new student hasn't learned bad habits,

993
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:11.880
<v Speaker 6>and like right now in the judging world, so many

994
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 6>of the practices that we do were based in a

995
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.639
<v Speaker 6>paper world where we had to hand out matchlips to everybody.

996
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 6>And there've been a couple of times where like we've

997
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:22.960
<v Speaker 6>been shifting over to like handling all the like running

998
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 6>of a tournament electronically, but we still did some things

999
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 6>just out of habit, and then like a new person

1000
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.719
<v Speaker 6>would be like, who'd never done the paper system would

1001
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.719
<v Speaker 6>be like, wait, why are we doing this? And someone

1002
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:35.800
<v Speaker 6>in charge'd be like, I have no idea why we're

1003
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:37.159
<v Speaker 6>doing it, because we.

1004
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.760
<v Speaker 4>Did it because this is as been done.

1005
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:42.679
<v Speaker 6>No I I but pulling it back to Crees, I

1006
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.320
<v Speaker 6>totally agree with that, and I love it. I think

1007
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 6>it's a very martial arts and learning kind of thing

1008
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:51.000
<v Speaker 6>that he learns like that. And for me, it also

1009
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 6>puts paid to what was one of my biggest concerns

1010
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.440
<v Speaker 6>about the end of last the last part of the season,

1011
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 6>which is that, like you know, as we've talked about,

1012
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.599
<v Speaker 6>it's been constantly upping the stakes and up the stakes

1013
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:03.360
<v Speaker 6>not being the stakes. And what is the higher steak

1014
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:06.199
<v Speaker 6>than putting a student into a coma. It's having a

1015
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:10.000
<v Speaker 6>student die. Yeah, Like that is the penultimate steak, you know,

1016
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:12.119
<v Speaker 6>other than like starting a land war in Asia because

1017
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:13.920
<v Speaker 6>of the martial arts. But like you know, like that's

1018
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.920
<v Speaker 6>that's where we're gonna go. No Princess Bride reference is needed.

1019
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:19.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just don't go against the Sicilian with death on theline.

1020
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And like I was really worried that they weren't

1021
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.320
<v Speaker 6>going to give that event the attention that I thought

1022
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.559
<v Speaker 6>it needed. And I thought the fact that the Sai

1023
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.960
<v Speaker 6>Tai Kai was canceled felt very earned and very real,

1024
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:33.920
<v Speaker 6>and that a lot of people didn't want it to continue.

1025
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.719
<v Speaker 6>The speed with which it went back on was a

1026
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:38.239
<v Speaker 6>little silly, but fair enough.

1027
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:39.800
<v Speaker 4>I think it was months. I think it was supposed

1028
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.000
<v Speaker 4>to be months though.

1029
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, but in terms of the speed of like, it

1030
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.440
<v Speaker 2>looks like it was one phone conversation and then you

1031
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 2>know turns.

1032
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1033
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 6>But I do think, very very intentionally, the person who

1034
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:53.400
<v Speaker 6>was most affected by it, and I think cold broken by.

1035
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:55.920
<v Speaker 4>It was Crease And we're fixed by it.

1036
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that too, like.

1037
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:01.920
<v Speaker 6>And and for those who don't haven't seen it or remember,

1038
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:07.079
<v Speaker 6>like the student dies because like a major brawl breaks out. Crease, like,

1039
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.280
<v Speaker 6>while all the people are fighting, gets his knife and

1040
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:15.400
<v Speaker 6>brings it into the situation, planning to stab Silver. I believe, yeah,

1041
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.480
<v Speaker 6>because those two have been kind of a war for

1042
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 6>all these reasons. And then the knife gets knocked out

1043
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:25.440
<v Speaker 6>of his hand, and Crease's young student grabs the knife

1044
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.719
<v Speaker 6>and tries to kill someone. And in what I've coined

1045
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.280
<v Speaker 6>is the new version of jumping over, the shark falls

1046
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 6>on his own knife.

1047
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:37.559
<v Speaker 4>And in what let's just remind people was like an

1048
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.159
<v Speaker 4>atrocity of a plot point, like those are just that

1049
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 4>whole sequence of dropping the naife.

1050
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.519
<v Speaker 2>It's so contrived, was so badly done.

1051
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 6>But I feel like at least they paid it off

1052
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 6>because like what happened was, I feel like you're right.

1053
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.639
<v Speaker 6>For Crease, there are three key students in his life.

1054
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.880
<v Speaker 6>There's Johnny, who he has always seen as a failure

1055
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.119
<v Speaker 6>in that like Johnny, he thinks quit but eventually comes

1056
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 6>to understand like, no, all the bad things about Johnny

1057
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:06.519
<v Speaker 6>were things that Chris taught him, and that Johnny has

1058
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:10.800
<v Speaker 6>now overcome that and become the better person. There's Silver,

1059
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:12.800
<v Speaker 6>as you said, who's the one who became even worse

1060
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.599
<v Speaker 6>than Crease? And then there's the kid who he killed,

1061
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 6>like who or he took action? Because as I saw it, it

1062
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:22.519
<v Speaker 6>was never really spelled out too much. But I think

1063
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:24.079
<v Speaker 6>that's good because I think it was subtle enough that

1064
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.440
<v Speaker 6>I can still get it. I don't think Crease was like,

1065
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:29.840
<v Speaker 6>oh my god, I brought in the knife and thus

1066
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.559
<v Speaker 6>this kid died. I think it's that he was like,

1067
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:36.360
<v Speaker 6>I taught this kid hate your enemy, no mercy, whatsever

1068
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 6>kill or be killed? And so of course this idiot

1069
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:41.880
<v Speaker 6>kid took a knife into this fight and died, and

1070
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:43.480
<v Speaker 6>like that that's the way.

1071
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 2>He feels responsible for his death.

1072
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:49.360
<v Speaker 6>I think, very like legitimately, and I feel like that's

1073
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:51.559
<v Speaker 6>the thing that kind of pushes him into seeing like

1074
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 6>and he spends this last season on an apology tour

1075
00:55:57.239 --> 00:55:58.920
<v Speaker 6>that at first I kept waiting for the shoe to

1076
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:02.239
<v Speaker 6>drop of like what's his seat plot, but once you realize, like, no,

1077
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:04.679
<v Speaker 6>he really means this. I think it was very much

1078
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:08.440
<v Speaker 6>about what happened with Kwan. Lets him really understand what

1079
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.119
<v Speaker 6>happened with Johnny and thus want to apologize to Johnny,

1080
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:13.599
<v Speaker 6>want to apologize to Tori, want to apologize to all

1081
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:14.480
<v Speaker 6>these people who's hurt.

1082
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:19.079
<v Speaker 4>What do you think about the none of his apologies

1083
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:24.159
<v Speaker 4>were really like accepted, Like he didn't really have that

1084
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:29.719
<v Speaker 4>kind of like redemption. Yeah, I know, it just feels

1085
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:33.559
<v Speaker 4>like it fits in with kind of things you've said about,

1086
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:36.239
<v Speaker 4>like you know, somebody does all these horrible things and

1087
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.440
<v Speaker 4>then they like say they're sorry and do like one

1088
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:40.800
<v Speaker 4>nice thing, and like everyone's like, oh okay, everything's great,

1089
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:43.320
<v Speaker 4>Like how did that feel to you? In terms of

1090
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 4>it felt much better?

1091
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:48.280
<v Speaker 6>You know, like especially Johnny's response because and he his

1092
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:52.000
<v Speaker 6>apology to Johnny is so heartfelt because we saw from

1093
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 6>the very beginning and like if you only watch the

1094
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 6>first Karate Kid movie, you never see this. But the

1095
00:56:56.000 --> 00:57:00.400
<v Speaker 6>second Karate Kid movie starts literally minutes after the end

1096
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.559
<v Speaker 6>of the first one, where Danny is in the parking

1097
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:07.679
<v Speaker 6>lot going out to celebrate his great victory, and he

1098
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:12.599
<v Speaker 6>sees like sixteen seventeen year old Johnny being abusively attacked

1099
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:16.840
<v Speaker 6>both like verbally and physically by his coach Crese in

1100
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.440
<v Speaker 6>ways that are like, oh okay, go directly to therapy.

1101
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:21.760
<v Speaker 6>This is going to fuck you up for your entire life,

1102
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:24.400
<v Speaker 6>especially with what a fucked up daddy also had and

1103
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:28.280
<v Speaker 6>all that kind of stuff and like and then a

1104
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:34.360
<v Speaker 6>lot of Johnny's Johnny's own drama was learning, I think again,

1105
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.480
<v Speaker 6>to end the cycle of violence of either wanting to

1106
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 6>please Crease or wanting to prove that he's better than

1107
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:44.320
<v Speaker 6>Crease and being able to just put Crease aside totally.

1108
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:49.239
<v Speaker 6>And to me, it perfectly lined up that Crease gives

1109
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:51.920
<v Speaker 6>him this apology, explains that he knows just all the

1110
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:55.320
<v Speaker 6>way he hurts him, but also because Johnny's gone through that,

1111
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:58.679
<v Speaker 6>Johnny no longer needs Cris's approval and Johnny's like he's

1112
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:02.039
<v Speaker 6>not mean to him necessarily was like, Okay, I gotta

1113
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:03.400
<v Speaker 6>go take care of a fight, you.

1114
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:08.440
<v Speaker 4>Know, yeah, yeah, yeah. It felt right to me, you know,

1115
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:14.440
<v Speaker 4>like I wanted them mostly it was it was Tory

1116
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:21.079
<v Speaker 4>and Johnny right. Silver wasn't so much of an apology,

1117
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:26.119
<v Speaker 4>more apologizing to the world for for having created Silver

1118
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 4>or led him in that direction. But I I wanted

1119
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:36.000
<v Speaker 4>them to like listen to him because like, not that

1120
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.159
<v Speaker 4>I expect I felt like they should in terms of

1121
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:41.559
<v Speaker 4>like where they're coming from their history with him, but

1122
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:46.599
<v Speaker 4>that he wasn't asking for forgiveness, you know, he just

1123
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 4>wanted them to know that he was sorry. He wanted

1124
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:56.800
<v Speaker 4>them to know that he had come around to understanding, yeah,

1125
00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 4>like their point of view and what he had done

1126
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:05.440
<v Speaker 4>that had caused harm. And like, to me, that's something

1127
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.239
<v Speaker 4>that like I really wish we had more of that,

1128
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:12.599
<v Speaker 4>you know, where where it's not like the person apologizing

1129
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 4>shouldn't be trying to gain something out of the apology,

1130
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's like it's no, it's an apology for

1131
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:25.239
<v Speaker 4>the sake of the apology, because it's it's true, it's honest,

1132
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:28.559
<v Speaker 4>and it's what needs to be said because it's true.

1133
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 4>And and so it did. It just felt right to me,

1134
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:40.559
<v Speaker 4>you know, And I do think that they probably appreciated

1135
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:44.639
<v Speaker 4>it on some level, and over time probably would more,

1136
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:48.159
<v Speaker 4>but that he didn't need them to appreciate it, and

1137
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:53.559
<v Speaker 4>they just now they know kind of you know that

1138
00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:54.960
<v Speaker 4>that's like where he ended.

1139
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.360
<v Speaker 6>And to me, there's two real points there. One just

1140
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:01.159
<v Speaker 6>on this idea of like not needing some thing. I've

1141
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:03.280
<v Speaker 6>been rewatching er recently because it's kind of like just

1142
01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:05.920
<v Speaker 6>like fun background TV and watching the Pit got me

1143
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.719
<v Speaker 6>into it. And there's a scene early in I think,

1144
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:13.239
<v Speaker 6>like part way through season one, where one of the

1145
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.199
<v Speaker 6>young doctors has a situation where a woman is dying

1146
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:20.159
<v Speaker 6>and he kind of like blows off the husband's concerns

1147
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 6>and the husband's like desire to better understand the situation,

1148
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 6>and like, it's not that he could have saved her life,

1149
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.559
<v Speaker 6>but he makes the experience of like her death a

1150
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:33.079
<v Speaker 6>lot worse for the husband, and he like the husband

1151
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:35.280
<v Speaker 6>yells at him about this, and he feels really guilty

1152
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:38.400
<v Speaker 6>about it, and so he goes to her funeral and

1153
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:40.400
<v Speaker 6>then like as they're walking away from the grave site,

1154
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:43.559
<v Speaker 6>he goes up to the husband and gives this apology

1155
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:46.880
<v Speaker 6>that is clearly heartfelt. And I was feeling myself getting

1156
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:49.559
<v Speaker 6>mad at the show because I was like, I feel

1157
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.440
<v Speaker 6>like the show is saying he's doing a nice thing here,

1158
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 6>but this feels really inappropriate. And instead he gives his

1159
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:56.880
<v Speaker 6>whole apology, and the guy just looks at him and goes,

1160
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:00.719
<v Speaker 6>you know, doctor, today isn't about you and walks right off,

1161
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:03.119
<v Speaker 6>And I was just like that, no, that actually is perfect,

1162
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.320
<v Speaker 6>and I don't think I put it together and listen

1163
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:07.480
<v Speaker 6>to what you're saying. I think, what the thing is

1164
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:09.000
<v Speaker 6>that what Chris does is it's not just that he

1165
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.840
<v Speaker 6>says he was sorry, it is that he said he's wrong.

1166
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:12.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1167
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:17.400
<v Speaker 6>With both Johnny and Tory, he told he said terrible

1168
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:20.159
<v Speaker 6>things to them about who they are that have clearly

1169
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.960
<v Speaker 6>haunted them for a long time. And I think with

1170
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:26.920
<v Speaker 6>Johnny he's already kind of overcome it. Tory actually realized.

1171
01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:28.559
<v Speaker 6>I think he does have a big effect on because

1172
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.960
<v Speaker 6>I think it's his speech to her largely that convinces.

1173
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Her to go back and fight and participate.

1174
01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:39.440
<v Speaker 6>In the competition, and and and.

1175
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:40.440
<v Speaker 4>And and but he and he's basically like, you should

1176
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:43.800
<v Speaker 4>do this for you, right, you know, like, don't do

1177
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:45.800
<v Speaker 4>this for me, don't do this for anybody else. You

1178
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:48.320
<v Speaker 4>should do this for you because it's something you've put

1179
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Speaker 4>in so much work in, right, you know. And like that,

1180
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty sure you do actually want to do so,

1181
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 4>like you know, right, I think.

1182
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:01.920
<v Speaker 6>Where Sammy is like she wants the competition, and I

1183
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:04.559
<v Speaker 6>will say to kind of well, actually, is there anything

1184
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:05.880
<v Speaker 6>else you want to say about christ Thanks? I want

1185
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.639
<v Speaker 6>to say something about how that competition played out.

1186
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.280
<v Speaker 4>No, I think that that's pretty much yeah, you know, yeah.

1187
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:16.039
<v Speaker 6>I do on some level, I like the idea that,

1188
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:20.679
<v Speaker 6>like Robbie and Sam don't need to fight anymore, but

1189
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:24.960
<v Speaker 6>Tory and Miguel do. But it also felt a little

1190
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 6>weird and how it was kind of set up, And

1191
01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:28.880
<v Speaker 6>I one thing we talked about a lot last week.

1192
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:33.760
<v Speaker 4>You mean, Robbie and Tory do need to fight more?

1193
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:39.280
<v Speaker 6>Let me take the whole thame. Yeah, so, and just

1194
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:42.519
<v Speaker 6>go a little more on the Tory thing. I will

1195
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:44.719
<v Speaker 6>say that I really liked this idea that, like, you know,

1196
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.320
<v Speaker 6>Sam doesn't want to fight, Tory does want to fight,

1197
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:50.000
<v Speaker 6>Robbie does want to fight but gets beaten, and then

1198
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:53.679
<v Speaker 6>Miguel wants to fight and wins. And like they they've

1199
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:55.599
<v Speaker 6>set up a lot of things about like Robbie versus

1200
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:58.719
<v Speaker 6>Miguel and how they're like each of them is like

1201
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.800
<v Speaker 6>in some way a son to Johnny, Like one is

1202
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:03.519
<v Speaker 6>much more of an adopted son and he's kind of

1203
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:05.079
<v Speaker 6>closer to in some ways, and the other is a

1204
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.239
<v Speaker 6>biological son and all this complexity, and yeah, we've had

1205
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:13.320
<v Speaker 6>a lot of it, and the fact that Tory is

1206
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:16.239
<v Speaker 6>kind of the opposite of Sam there like no, she

1207
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:20.159
<v Speaker 6>wants to compete, and they set up something nice also

1208
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.000
<v Speaker 6>of like one of things we talked about a lot

1209
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:25.400
<v Speaker 6>last season. Was this idea that like, you know, Stanford

1210
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:27.000
<v Speaker 6>was only going to let him in if he wins

1211
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:31.719
<v Speaker 6>this tournament. Yeah yeah, I love that, Like he gets

1212
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.199
<v Speaker 6>the letter of acceptance before the fight is over, you know,

1213
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:36.320
<v Speaker 6>like which was a really nice like, No, Stanford's not

1214
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.639
<v Speaker 6>going to care about like this one specific competition, you know.

1215
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:45.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean they definitely could like particular things, particularly on

1216
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:47.840
<v Speaker 4>like a high level, like this is supposed to be

1217
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:52.400
<v Speaker 4>some internationally televised you know thing like.

1218
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.199
<v Speaker 6>But I think like if you came on second place,

1219
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:57.440
<v Speaker 6>you're out, but if you come in first, you're in.

1220
01:03:57.639 --> 01:03:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Like that that level of like I have.

1221
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.880
<v Speaker 6>To win or I won't get in, right, But they

1222
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:04.760
<v Speaker 6>have kind of set it up as like mcguel and

1223
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:06.519
<v Speaker 6>Sam are going to get to go off to college

1224
01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:09.480
<v Speaker 6>and have this really nice life, and then Robbie and

1225
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.239
<v Speaker 6>Tori are like, well, they're high school dropouts, and clearly

1226
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:13.519
<v Speaker 6>if they're not good enough to get into an IVY

1227
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:17.239
<v Speaker 6>league or Stanford school, there's no other options for them.

1228
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the.

1229
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:22.760
<v Speaker 6>Most contrived moment of the entire show, we're just saying

1230
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:23.639
<v Speaker 6>so much that's it.

1231
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:25.880
<v Speaker 4>That's a high bar and I'm not going to agree

1232
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.840
<v Speaker 4>with this one, but go ahead. Okay.

1233
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:31.599
<v Speaker 6>Someone comes up to them and it's like, hey, I

1234
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:36.039
<v Speaker 6>liked how you fought. Can I offer you the fame

1235
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:40.199
<v Speaker 6>and fortune contract that the muppets wanted. Sign here, and

1236
01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:43.400
<v Speaker 6>you'll be our new influencers and have lots of life

1237
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 6>changing money and you get to go around the world

1238
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:47.719
<v Speaker 6>and basically do all the things that the woman of

1239
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:49.599
<v Speaker 6>Myron Dragons you didn't like was doing, but not be

1240
01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:54.519
<v Speaker 6>a mean girl about it. It just felt so like, well,

1241
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:56.079
<v Speaker 6>they don't go to college, They're going to do this

1242
01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:57.880
<v Speaker 6>other thing instead, and like there's nothing wrong with that,

1243
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:02.480
<v Speaker 6>but just the split of like college or a job

1244
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:05.840
<v Speaker 6>or i'm sorry, best colleges in the world or a job,

1245
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:07.639
<v Speaker 6>and it being.

1246
01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:13.239
<v Speaker 2>So contrived the whole job a career, a career, a career.

1247
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.559
<v Speaker 6>Right yeah, because that company will stick with them for

1248
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:20.760
<v Speaker 6>years and years, right up to the moment they make

1249
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:22.559
<v Speaker 6>a single like badly Understood tweet.

1250
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:31.079
<v Speaker 4>I mean, okay, in terms of the dichotomy between either

1251
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:33.239
<v Speaker 4>you get into like an Ivy League school or a

1252
01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:39.519
<v Speaker 4>top tier school or like you know, you're working at

1253
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<v Speaker 4>the Cinnabon or whatever, I mean, I agree with you

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01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:48.119
<v Speaker 4>on that point, in terms of it actually being that contrived,

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01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:54.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't like there are there are, you know, multi

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01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:59.280
<v Speaker 4>million dollar sponsorships for people who do things that other

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01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:03.199
<v Speaker 4>people like to watch, Like that's very real. And if

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01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:07.840
<v Speaker 4>this completely contrived tournament that really doesn't exist existed the

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01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:10.159
<v Speaker 4>way that they're putting it forward as existing, there would

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely be not just like one random person like that,

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01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:16.400
<v Speaker 4>there would be like multiple companies being like, you know,

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01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:19.920
<v Speaker 4>do you have representation? You know, there'd be like agents

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01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:24.079
<v Speaker 4>and managers and whatever trying to get in touch with them. Now,

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01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:27.400
<v Speaker 4>they probably would have done that before they won whatever

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01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:32.360
<v Speaker 4>fight or whatever, you know, But I don't find that

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01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:36.960
<v Speaker 4>contrived in the larger sense in terms of you know,

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01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:40.679
<v Speaker 4>beat by beat storytelling. It was a little you know, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Mean I feel that, but there are people who have

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01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:45.639
<v Speaker 6>that contract form magic the gathering, Like right, totally things exist,

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01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:49.480
<v Speaker 6>but like all of those people probably got like one

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01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:53.960
<v Speaker 6>sponsorship gig, you know, and then like sponsored to like

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01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.920
<v Speaker 6>have their social media, Like there's a process generally, not

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01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:00.880
<v Speaker 6>like you go from zero to life changing career numbers.

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01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:03.880
<v Speaker 6>It just the way it was set up felt so

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01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:08.159
<v Speaker 6>very like here's the here, here's the happy ending with

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01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:10.000
<v Speaker 6>one quick signature.

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01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:13.320
<v Speaker 4>Didn't actually say what the amount is, right.

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01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.800
<v Speaker 2>They didn't. They said it was life changing career numbers.

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01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:19.719
<v Speaker 4>Sure, which I don't just be like six figures. That

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01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:21.920
<v Speaker 4>could be like low six figures to a high school kid,

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01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:22.280
<v Speaker 4>you know.

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01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:24.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, yeah, I think that. To me, I think

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01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:26.440
<v Speaker 6>it was about like fifty to one hundred thousand, Like

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01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:26.880
<v Speaker 6>I think it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that seems completely credible to me in terms of

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01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:34.679
<v Speaker 4>what they built up this tournament to supposedly be internationally

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01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:39.119
<v Speaker 4>televised event, and in a world that supposedly there are

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01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.960
<v Speaker 4>martial arts events like this going around, Like, yeah, I

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01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.519
<v Speaker 4>that doesn't strain credulity with me the way it seems

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01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:46.960
<v Speaker 4>too with you.

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01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:49.239
<v Speaker 6>I think it's it in part because they're like, very

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01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:51.320
<v Speaker 6>much we want you to be a personality for us,

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01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:52.480
<v Speaker 6>We want you to be on so and they have

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01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:54.280
<v Speaker 6>no idea if people are any good at that, you know,

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01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:59.280
<v Speaker 6>and like, the ability to be a social media influencer

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01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:01.800
<v Speaker 6>based on your ability to do these things really well

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01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:04.400
<v Speaker 6>is very much not the same as your ability to

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01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:08.480
<v Speaker 6>do those things really well. That's just the way it

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01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:10.400
<v Speaker 6>was offered instead of like, hey, we want to give

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01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.159
<v Speaker 6>these opportunities and see how it goes, and like, you know,

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01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:15.960
<v Speaker 6>if things go well, we could bring you on in

1302
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:17.720
<v Speaker 6>a full time basis, Like that would have made a lot.

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01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.920
<v Speaker 6>It just felt very like complete, you know, if you

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01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:23.720
<v Speaker 6>had like again, like to me, I think if the

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01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:28.359
<v Speaker 6>character of Zara had been less like cartoonishly bad sure

1306
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:30.119
<v Speaker 6>to the point where she like drunk, you know, takes

1307
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:37.800
<v Speaker 6>advantage of Johnny when she's drunk like Robbie and then

1308
01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:39.720
<v Speaker 6>like rubs her face in it, and you know all

1309
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:43.720
<v Speaker 6>this stuff, Like if Tori had a conversation with her

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01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:45.760
<v Speaker 6>about like what is that, like you know, and like

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01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:48.279
<v Speaker 6>you know, they you saw that like plant the seed

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01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:50.720
<v Speaker 6>of interest and like you know that I think they

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01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:52.239
<v Speaker 6>could have set it up a lot more rather than

1314
01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:55.000
<v Speaker 6>it just being the end of the Muppet movie, here's

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01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:57.199
<v Speaker 6>your fame and fortune contract that it felt like.

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01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:01.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I guess, I just I still don't find

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01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:07.079
<v Speaker 4>it as I'm sure it's not any more realistic to

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01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:09.920
<v Speaker 4>how a situation like that would play out than you know,

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01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:16.159
<v Speaker 4>any of the martial arts fights were you know, but

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01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:18.439
<v Speaker 4>like you know, I mean I know a lot of

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01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:20.560
<v Speaker 4>people in the poker world who have like sponsorships and

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01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:25.239
<v Speaker 4>a lot of them. You know, it's not necessarily like

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01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:31.920
<v Speaker 4>these people are you know, highly skilled social media experts.

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01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:34.720
<v Speaker 4>You know. It really is a lot of the time

1325
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:37.800
<v Speaker 4>like somebody is not so much that somebody is just

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01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.359
<v Speaker 4>so good at the thing, but like they're known for

1327
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:41.960
<v Speaker 4>being so good at the thing, you know, and it's

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01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.600
<v Speaker 4>like they had that moment or whatever, you know, on

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01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:49.399
<v Speaker 4>camera and whatever. So I could definitely see some companies

1330
01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:52.520
<v Speaker 4>whatever trying to you know, cash in on something. But

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01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:56.079
<v Speaker 4>like you know, also there, you know, we didn't see

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01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:56.880
<v Speaker 4>the fine print.

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01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.920
<v Speaker 6>You know, it's a dumb thing to get upset about,

1334
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:03.159
<v Speaker 6>but it was just but no, it was much more.

1335
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:05.039
<v Speaker 6>How do you feel about the overall idea though, of

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01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:07.439
<v Speaker 6>like two of our people go off to these top

1337
01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:09.600
<v Speaker 6>man colleges and the other two like go off and

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01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:12.199
<v Speaker 6>thus have like karate is their career going forward?

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01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:17.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that seems fine to me, you know, I don't.

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01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:26.159
<v Speaker 4>I'm a little disappointed that none of the students clearly

1341
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:29.600
<v Speaker 4>became teachers, you know, because I think that would have

1342
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:32.359
<v Speaker 4>been a much more I kind of thought Miguel would

1343
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:35.880
<v Speaker 4>maybe because of the way he was coaching Robbie in

1344
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:38.479
<v Speaker 4>Robbie's fight. I kind of thought Miguel was maybe going

1345
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:42.920
<v Speaker 4>to become a teacher, like a martial arts instructor, you know,

1346
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.479
<v Speaker 4>and if he didn't, you know, obviously, like you know,

1347
01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:48.720
<v Speaker 4>Stanford isn't the only college. And I mean, you know,

1348
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:55.520
<v Speaker 4>my opinion of the education system is not particularly flattering.

1349
01:10:55.760 --> 01:11:02.119
<v Speaker 4>You know. I I'd certainly agree with the ridiculousness of well,

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01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:04.399
<v Speaker 4>either you get into one of these schools or like,

1351
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, your prospects are dim, Like people get into

1352
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:12.079
<v Speaker 4>these schools and their prospects are dim after they graduate.

1353
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:14.399
<v Speaker 4>You know, that's the world we live in. Speaking of which,

1354
01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:15.479
<v Speaker 4>like did you here?

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01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Was?

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01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:17.239
<v Speaker 4>Here was my biggest thing?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, let me just one more thing on what you

1358
01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:22.159
<v Speaker 6>were just saying then, Yeah, but yeah, I like a

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01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:26.079
<v Speaker 6>scene of Miguel, a scene of Miguel like starting a

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01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:28.239
<v Speaker 6>student chapter at Stanford of Cobra Kai.

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01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:30.720
<v Speaker 4>You know, yeah, that would have been cool. Yeah, yeah,

1362
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:32.720
<v Speaker 4>but then I feel like I didn't need like a

1363
01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:36.199
<v Speaker 4>den human like that long you know, yeah exactly, but

1364
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:37.479
<v Speaker 4>but that would have been a cool scene. You know,

1365
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:39.119
<v Speaker 4>you could have just gone like cut, cut, cut, like

1366
01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:43.600
<v Speaker 4>montage type deal, right, yeah, because you know, they showed

1367
01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:47.079
<v Speaker 4>they showed Danny doing stuff, right, and he's still teaching

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01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:50.560
<v Speaker 4>and whatever. Here was here was my thing that I

1369
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:54.720
<v Speaker 4>thought was the least believable in this season. Do you

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01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:59.560
<v Speaker 4>really believe that in today's economy, Tory, with all of

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01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:04.319
<v Speaker 4>her final struggles, could really afford a dozen eggs.

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01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:10.479
<v Speaker 2>Pre Trump? Yes? Post Trump? No, okay, not in the

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01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:11.079
<v Speaker 2>world we're going.

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01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:14.000
<v Speaker 4>I guess this was filmed a while ago. So yeah,

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01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:17.159
<v Speaker 4>I was just like, she can't afford eggs. Also, like

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01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:21.239
<v Speaker 4>one vegan event, only one vegan vendor? No? I yeah, no.

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01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I specifically wrote to Paul when I'd see all that.

1378
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:26.319
<v Speaker 6>I know he's they'd seen it already, and I was like,

1379
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:28.319
<v Speaker 6>come on, yeah, that is actually a legit fight.

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01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:29.680
<v Speaker 2>There should be multiple.

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01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:32.520
<v Speaker 4>I will say, if I had ever had a vegan

1382
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.079
<v Speaker 4>vendor at any of the martial arts events I gon too,

1383
01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:36.800
<v Speaker 4>I would have been thrilled.

1384
01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:39.680
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, but New York twenty years ago, thirty years

1385
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:41.920
<v Speaker 6>ago versus Southern California today.

1386
01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, anywhere twenty years ago, to be honest, compared to

1387
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:45.920
<v Speaker 4>South California.

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01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:47.239
<v Speaker 6>The last thing I'll just say is because I think

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01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:48.680
<v Speaker 6>actually reminded me of kind of what I was trying

1390
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:48.960
<v Speaker 6>to get at.

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01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:52.840
<v Speaker 2>They did kind of it did feel a little bit.

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01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:57.680
<v Speaker 6>All, like Robbie and Tory connected in part because they

1393
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.640
<v Speaker 6>came from much more like lower class, broken home kind

1394
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:03.399
<v Speaker 6>of situation. And say that like phrase like probably much

1395
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:05.159
<v Speaker 6>better phrase than broken home. It's not that, but like

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01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:07.439
<v Speaker 6>both of them had parents who are addicts or were

1397
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:09.760
<v Speaker 6>like really having a lot of problematic behavior. And like

1398
01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:15.159
<v Speaker 6>clearly Danny Samantha and her brother grew up in a

1399
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:19.039
<v Speaker 6>much more affluent situation than Miguel did. But Miguel had like,

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01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:21.159
<v Speaker 6>you know, a mother who was helping him with his

1401
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:23.199
<v Speaker 6>homework and was like, you know, at least like middle

1402
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:25.359
<v Speaker 6>class of some degree or an other, you know, and

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01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:25.600
<v Speaker 6>in a.

1404
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Much better situation.

1405
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:28.039
<v Speaker 6>So it kind of would have liked it if like

1406
01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:29.960
<v Speaker 6>Tori or Robbie had also gotten to go to college

1407
01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:32.279
<v Speaker 6>or something like you know, oh sure, Yeah.

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01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it was part of it. Is that stratification

1409
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:35.239
<v Speaker 2>that also made it feel kind of weird.

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01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:38.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I mean it doesn't mean they can't go

1411
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:41.039
<v Speaker 4>to college necessarily. You know, they can take a year

1412
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:43.279
<v Speaker 4>off and do their thing and then they can go

1413
01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:46.760
<v Speaker 4>to college. And I mean I think colleges often have.

1414
01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Martial arts.

1415
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:50.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean they'll have martial arts clubs for sure, but

1416
01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:53.560
<v Speaker 4>they might have competitive you know, competition teams or whatever.

1417
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:57.000
<v Speaker 4>So that certainly seems like, you.

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01:13:56.920 --> 01:13:59.680
<v Speaker 6>Know, especially in the fantasy world where people in bars

1419
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:01.920
<v Speaker 6>are around all over the world to watch.

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01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:06.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Oh my goodness, it was

1421
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:09.560
<v Speaker 4>like world Cup level event like this. But here's the thing,

1422
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.319
<v Speaker 4>Like people watch boxing the pay per view whatever. You know,

1423
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:17.000
<v Speaker 4>it's not absurd to think that that's something that could happen.

1424
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:18.720
<v Speaker 4>It's just not something that does happen.

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01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:19.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like.

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01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:24.880
<v Speaker 6>To watch like adults do it. Yeah, totally believable, but

1427
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:28.319
<v Speaker 6>like very few people watch the like sixteen year old

1428
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:29.560
<v Speaker 6>Golden Gloves like.

1429
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:33.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no, But I mean like Olympics,

1430
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:36.000
<v Speaker 4>people certainly watch teenagers in the Olympics, you know.

1431
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:36.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1432
01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:40.319
<v Speaker 4>Sure, So I do think sort of one off event

1433
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:42.680
<v Speaker 4>like that that was actually literally supposed to be the

1434
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:46.000
<v Speaker 4>best in the world, right, I think I think there's

1435
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:51.560
<v Speaker 4>a lot of things that could be broadcast and promoted

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01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:54.920
<v Speaker 4>in a way that people would watch them that aren't,

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01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:58.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean we I don't want to like

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01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:02.840
<v Speaker 4>diverge a long tangent about like women's sports or whatever,

1439
01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:06.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, but like I think that's something where you know,

1440
01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:09.000
<v Speaker 4>twenty years ago, a lot of people thought, oh, nobody's

1441
01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:11.520
<v Speaker 4>ever gonna watch that, you know, and like some people

1442
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:14.960
<v Speaker 4>did obviously, but like where you know, depending on something,

1443
01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:19.239
<v Speaker 4>how something's marketed, how it's promoted, what the access is

1444
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:20.079
<v Speaker 4>like to it, you know.

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01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:24.640
<v Speaker 6>I think later the women's rugby league in the United

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01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:26.600
<v Speaker 6>States is getting started in Minnesota has one of the

1447
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:28.720
<v Speaker 6>first six teams, and I'm probably planning to buy season

1448
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:31.119
<v Speaker 6>tickets because like, I love rugby and women's rugby is awesome.

1449
01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:34.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And and so my point is mostly just like

1450
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:38.720
<v Speaker 4>we never really know what the market for something is

1451
01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:43.399
<v Speaker 4>until there's a legitimate effort made to market it, right,

1452
01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:46.800
<v Speaker 4>and there's there's always conjecture, but a lot a lot

1453
01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:51.000
<v Speaker 4>of times the conjecture is dismissive, right, and then a

1454
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:55.000
<v Speaker 4>lot of times that dismissiveness is proven to be wrong,

1455
01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:59.800
<v Speaker 4>you know. And so do we live in a world

1456
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:03.560
<v Speaker 4>where something like this is currently getting televised and tons

1457
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:07.960
<v Speaker 4>of people are watching it? No? Is it that hard

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01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:10.960
<v Speaker 4>to envision a world where something like this did actually

1459
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:13.119
<v Speaker 4>become a big thing and like a ton of people

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<v Speaker 4>watched it. I don't think it's that hard, you know,

1461
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.239
<v Speaker 4>It's just it's not the world we live in, you know,

1462
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:21.319
<v Speaker 4>but this is a world where Tory ken of four aches,

1463
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:21.720
<v Speaker 4>So you.

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01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Know that's fair. That's fair. All right, we've gone on

1465
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:26.319
<v Speaker 2>for a while.

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01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:27.640
<v Speaker 6>There's tell you two of the last quick things I'm

1467
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:30.319
<v Speaker 6>gonna do, so everyone, I'm basically getting all the bonus content.

1468
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Now.

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01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:33.000
<v Speaker 6>We're not gonna have bonus content the other this episode necessarily,

1470
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:35.279
<v Speaker 6>but because there's two other quick quick hits that I

1471
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:39.199
<v Speaker 6>want to bring up. One just again on the they

1472
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:43.439
<v Speaker 6>avoided the low Hanging Fruit. One of the things you

1473
01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:45.640
<v Speaker 6>and I talked about earlier this season was this hope

1474
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.119
<v Speaker 6>that like the fighting was all gonna be on the mat,

1475
01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:50.720
<v Speaker 6>that we're gonna get away from these like sword fights

1476
01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:55.720
<v Speaker 6>in people's homes and like mass melas in schools, and

1477
01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:58.000
<v Speaker 6>so as we get set up that the final fight

1478
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:01.640
<v Speaker 6>is gonna be Johnny against uh Sensi Wolf since a

1479
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:04.439
<v Speaker 6>lawrence for sense Wolf and all that, and then we

1480
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:08.600
<v Speaker 6>get you know, Silver on his boat being wahaha, he's

1481
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:12.720
<v Speaker 6>plotting this like, oh yeah, kidnap Johnny's wife and daughter.

1482
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh my god, don't do this.

1483
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:16.560
<v Speaker 4>I was not here for that.

1484
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:20.720
<v Speaker 6>And then like nope, we're just gonna have our fight now,

1485
01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:22.720
<v Speaker 6>and I was like, oh, thank god, Like I was

1486
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:23.680
<v Speaker 6>so happy for that.

1487
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:25.760
<v Speaker 2>But then the last one, I.

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01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:26.840
<v Speaker 6>Kind of want to ask you about this because I

1489
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:30.119
<v Speaker 6>think it's you were saying earlier that, like, you know,

1490
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:32.439
<v Speaker 6>a coach can't do much, but one thing a coach

1491
01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:34.520
<v Speaker 6>can do is be like, hey, like this person's like

1492
01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:36.680
<v Speaker 6>favoring their left side, or like when they do like

1493
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.319
<v Speaker 6>this kick, they kind of pause for a second and

1494
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:42.720
<v Speaker 6>like this part of their body is exposed, and I like,

1495
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:44.720
<v Speaker 6>I know enough about sports to know that that's how

1496
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:47.800
<v Speaker 6>it works. And so I was really annoyed that the

1497
01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:51.119
<v Speaker 6>only time a coach did that, the coach was like, yeah,

1498
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:54.039
<v Speaker 6>there's this one moment where his back is exposed, break

1499
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:58.399
<v Speaker 6>his back, yeah, like and it was like and so

1500
01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:01.359
<v Speaker 6>as a result, the kid doesn't do them, doesn't take

1501
01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:04.960
<v Speaker 6>advantage of the vulnerability in the slightest and winds up losing.

1502
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:07.159
<v Speaker 2>And this is axl against Miguel.

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01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:09.520
<v Speaker 6>And again that was to me where it was like,

1504
01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:11.760
<v Speaker 6>if you want to compete, if you really want to compete,

1505
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:16.239
<v Speaker 6>you're evil, right, Yes, trying to intentionally do harm to

1506
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:20.800
<v Speaker 6>their spine is horrific, but like if the backs of

1507
01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:23.000
<v Speaker 6>the legitimate target, and they're leaving their back vulnerable to

1508
01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:25.760
<v Speaker 6>an attack. A coach pointing out to a kid and

1509
01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:31.279
<v Speaker 6>the kid taking advantage that seems completely legitimate, right, Well.

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01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:34.159
<v Speaker 4>You're not allowed to hit to the back, okay, okay, no,

1511
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:39.000
<v Speaker 4>but that doesn't mean you can't take advantage of it.

1512
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:43.640
<v Speaker 4>You know, like there would be a more nuanced like, well,

1513
01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:47.720
<v Speaker 4>he's got a back injury, so you know when he

1514
01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:50.359
<v Speaker 4>does this or that, you know his body doesn't move

1515
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:54.079
<v Speaker 4>quite the same way or whatever, you know, or just

1516
01:18:54.119 --> 01:18:56.640
<v Speaker 4>like a bunch of body shots might hurt the back.

1517
01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:03.920
<v Speaker 4>You know. It's I completely agree with the overall point though.

1518
01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:09.159
<v Speaker 4>That's like, so the only actual strategic coaching or like

1519
01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:13.119
<v Speaker 4>tactical coaching right where it's like try this technique that

1520
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:19.880
<v Speaker 4>really was ever brought was like, you know, us an

1521
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:23.800
<v Speaker 4>illegal attack to permanently injure your opponent. It's like, well

1522
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:28.359
<v Speaker 4>that's no that yeah, you know, but to.

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01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:30.199
<v Speaker 6>Me, like even and even if like the person's going

1524
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:32.479
<v Speaker 6>in with an injury, like okay, let's say like your

1525
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:36.279
<v Speaker 6>opponent's right elbow is was you know, hurt a month ago.

1526
01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:38.920
<v Speaker 6>As a result, they're not getting the right hand high

1527
01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:40.960
<v Speaker 6>enough to defend their head the way they are left.

1528
01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:44.199
<v Speaker 6>Focusing on attacking the right side is not considered cheating.

1529
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:46.880
<v Speaker 6>You're not not at all kicking the elbow to hurt specifically.

1530
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.159
<v Speaker 6>It might not be the greatest, but like, hey, they

1531
01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:51.399
<v Speaker 6>have an injury, that's meaning they're not doing their best.

1532
01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:53.880
<v Speaker 6>I'm going to focus on that. Yeah, that's that's that's legit.

1533
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:57.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, definitely, definitely, And I mean and causing an injury

1534
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:03.079
<v Speaker 4>even that's not through illegal techniques, like I mean in taekwondo,

1535
01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:06.760
<v Speaker 4>like you can just sidekick someone in the art like

1536
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:10.520
<v Speaker 4>if blocking hurts the blocker a lot of the time,

1537
01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:13.439
<v Speaker 4>a hard block, right, I mean, it can hurt the

1538
01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:16.399
<v Speaker 4>person who's who's striking, depending on how you're doing the block,

1539
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:18.600
<v Speaker 4>and it can be a soft block that doesn't really

1540
01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:23.560
<v Speaker 4>cause any impact to speak of. But you know, you

1541
01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:26.640
<v Speaker 4>can hit someone's guard over and over and over and

1542
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:30.279
<v Speaker 4>either cause bruising that like they're not gonna want to

1543
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:32.960
<v Speaker 4>block in the same way anymore, or is going to

1544
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:35.039
<v Speaker 4>cause fatigue and they're going to drop their guard and

1545
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:37.079
<v Speaker 4>then you know you clip them in the face or whatever,

1546
01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:40.239
<v Speaker 4>and and that's not you know, or like you have

1547
01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:43.199
<v Speaker 4>an opponent who's like got a broken right foot and

1548
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:44.920
<v Speaker 4>you're like, oh, well they're not going to kick you

1549
01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:46.880
<v Speaker 4>with that foot, you know, or like.

1550
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:49.720
<v Speaker 2>That side and not.

1551
01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:53.479
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean the like people who know boxing know

1552
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:56.119
<v Speaker 6>about like Muhammad Ali, one of his biggest strategies when

1553
01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:57.680
<v Speaker 6>he went want to against some bigger opponents was the

1554
01:20:57.680 --> 01:21:00.920
<v Speaker 6>whole like ropodope, but like let them hire themselves out

1555
01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:03.319
<v Speaker 6>punching you in the arms exactly. And I remember I

1556
01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:04.720
<v Speaker 6>got an argue with someone about this once was like,

1557
01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:07.319
<v Speaker 6>oh so Muhammedli wasn't a good physical fighter, just mainly

1558
01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:10.119
<v Speaker 6>out thought and I was like he had twelve rounds

1559
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:11.279
<v Speaker 6>of being punched in the arm.

1560
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:13.119
<v Speaker 4>I know that that.

1561
01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, really impressive.

1562
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:19.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, that's not some random person just trying to

1563
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:22.479
<v Speaker 4>do that sort of ropodope, Like their arms are gonna

1564
01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:24.239
<v Speaker 4>get pummeled, they're going to drop their arms that they're

1565
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:27.079
<v Speaker 4>gonna get punched in the face eventually, that's what's gonna happen. Yeah,

1566
01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:30.359
<v Speaker 4>for sure, for sure. But so yeah, I think taking

1567
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:33.479
<v Speaker 4>advantage of someone else's injury is not It could be

1568
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.119
<v Speaker 4>viewed as sort of a dishonorable whatever. There's a scene

1569
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:40.640
<v Speaker 4>in Iman for where Donnie n Iman is like injured,

1570
01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:42.600
<v Speaker 4>and the other guy's like, oh, I see you have

1571
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:45.119
<v Speaker 4>an injury there, so I will also put that hand

1572
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:47.880
<v Speaker 4>behind my back now and then they fight sort of

1573
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:51.359
<v Speaker 4>on even ground. But like, if you're in a competition,

1574
01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:54.279
<v Speaker 4>you're not doing that, you know, that's like that's and

1575
01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:58.640
<v Speaker 4>and so yeah, taking advantage of an injury, not by

1576
01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:02.920
<v Speaker 4>using illegal striking, but just playing within the rules is generally,

1577
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:04.239
<v Speaker 4>you know.

1578
01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:06.760
<v Speaker 6>Clearly, the part that I was missing was that kicking

1579
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:08.960
<v Speaker 6>them in the back in general is not allowed.

1580
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:10.199
<v Speaker 2>And I guess exactly you know.

1581
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:13.560
<v Speaker 6>That that if the strategy is, hey, do this thing

1582
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:16.319
<v Speaker 6>where you might get like docked a point because you

1583
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:18.720
<v Speaker 6>accidentally kick them in the back, but you also end

1584
01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:21.000
<v Speaker 6>their ability to fight, Yeah, clearly that's not that's not

1585
01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:24.079
<v Speaker 6>yeah yeah, yeah, So all right, well, I think this

1586
01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:26.880
<v Speaker 6>is a good conversation. I am glad we went on

1587
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:30.039
<v Speaker 6>this journey. I could have had enjoyed this journey if

1588
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:31.279
<v Speaker 6>it was a couple of stops shorter.

1589
01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I think a three season.

1590
01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.399
<v Speaker 6>If I go back to Cobra Kai and probably watching

1591
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:38.239
<v Speaker 6>like seasons one and two and the second and the

1592
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:39.439
<v Speaker 6>end of season seven.

1593
01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:42.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, one, two, and like six point three.

1594
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Basically, right, yeah, exactly.

1595
01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:47.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like it could have

1596
01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:49.840
<v Speaker 4>been a nice three or four season arc, you know,

1597
01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:52.439
<v Speaker 4>I mean probably four. I think you could get four

1598
01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:55.560
<v Speaker 4>good seasons. Yeah, you know, you can do a lot

1599
01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:59.680
<v Speaker 4>of the stuff you did once. You know. The problem

1600
01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:01.399
<v Speaker 4>was just how many times they went to the same

1601
01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:05.760
<v Speaker 4>Well the last notes, just like I had a thing

1602
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.399
<v Speaker 4>an argument about red mats, blue mats. I won. We

1603
01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:09.319
<v Speaker 4>got the red mats.

1604
01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:09.880
<v Speaker 2>They were great.

1605
01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:12.920
<v Speaker 4>The musical cues were on point.

1606
01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

1607
01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:17.479
<v Speaker 4>And I thought it was funny seeing Kevin Burkhart and

1608
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:20.720
<v Speaker 4>Ryan Clark where Kevin Burkhart was on the you know,

1609
01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:23.159
<v Speaker 4>the Mets Baseball channel back in like two thousand and six,

1610
01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:26.760
<v Speaker 4>as like in the crowd, reporter in the crowd, like

1611
01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:29.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, secondary kind of announcer, and like now he's

1612
01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:32.760
<v Speaker 4>like a big he's a big enough international or national

1613
01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:36.800
<v Speaker 4>broadcaster that like he has a cameo in Cobra Kai. Yeah.

1614
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:38.279
<v Speaker 2>It gid be a little bit of proud, like you

1615
01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:39.039
<v Speaker 2>guys know that.

1616
01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:41.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like, oh he made good, you.

1617
01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Know, exactly exactly. Yeah.

1618
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:48.760
<v Speaker 6>Last thing I'll say was, well, two last of the

1619
01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:51.720
<v Speaker 6>things I do wish we'd gotten the Neil Patrick Harris

1620
01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:54.600
<v Speaker 6>cameo for those who don't know, like part of how

1621
01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:56.479
<v Speaker 6>this all started, was it and How I Met your Mother?

1622
01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:59.039
<v Speaker 6>The character of Barney played by Neil Patrick Harris was

1623
01:23:59.079 --> 01:24:02.239
<v Speaker 6>obsessed with john and like thought that Johnny was the

1624
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:05.840
<v Speaker 6>hero of that movie. And like the actor William Zabka

1625
01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:08.760
<v Speaker 6>like showed up in that as Johnny, and that kind

1626
01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:12.279
<v Speaker 6>of like sparked this a cultural moment of like, yeah,

1627
01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:14.479
<v Speaker 6>Johnny Lawrence, we loved him, why don't we hear about

1628
01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:16.520
<v Speaker 6>him more often? And the writers of the show, I've

1629
01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:18.920
<v Speaker 6>said that that moment led directly to this show, right

1630
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:21.680
<v Speaker 6>right right. I would have loved to have Barney show

1631
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:23.880
<v Speaker 6>up as like one of the people cheering Johnny arms up.

1632
01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:27.920
<v Speaker 2>For sure, and then.

1633
01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:34.039
<v Speaker 6>Yep, don't remember the last thing, so lips sent off there.

1634
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:36.079
<v Speaker 6>Thank you Paul so much for me to PARTI this,

1635
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:38.720
<v Speaker 6>Thank you everybody pleasure, The Larman prosper.

1636
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:40.920
<v Speaker 4>The lag

1637
01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>The Darkly Federation would not allow that
