Speaker 1: You're listening to everything out there with your host Steve Stockton.
Speaker 2: Hello friends, Steve Stockton here with you, welcome to everything
Speaker 2: out there and joining me on the phone tonight. Downtown
Speaker 2: Terry Brown, the Cincinnati Kid, got a great YouTube channel,
Speaker 2: Tales of the Sonic Voyage. Go check that out. You
Speaker 2: can find that at Downtown Terry Brown on YouTube. He's
Speaker 2: gonna regale us with some stories of hauntings and weird
Speaker 2: things that go on in Ohio. Tonight, Terry, how you
Speaker 2: doing tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm good, Steve. Good to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Great to have you here and loving that YouTube channel
Speaker 2: you've got. You've got everything of their old radio spoken word, blues, psychedelia,
Speaker 2: classic rock, acid rock, a little bit of everything, something
Speaker 2: for every taste over there.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I appreciate that I'm trying to keep
Speaker 1: some of the music alive. Stuff that I liked when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. Things you don't hear in the radio.
Speaker 1: You know, when we were kids, you and I are
Speaker 1: about the same age. If you didn't hear it on
Speaker 1: the radio, you didn't even know it existed. Since getting
Speaker 1: onto YouTube the last five ten years, I guess I've
Speaker 1: discovered a lot of older psych bands and stuff that's
Speaker 1: out there. It's just really really good that you just
Speaker 1: never heard about. And I'm trying to bring some of
Speaker 1: that out. And I've got some of those old albums too,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it's nice to bring keeping
Speaker 1: me alive. I guess, you know, if I can reach
Speaker 1: a couple of people out there, or even one person
Speaker 1: that here's something that they've never heard before that they
Speaker 1: just really like and fall in love with, my endeavors
Speaker 1: have been successful. Just trying to keep it going, and
Speaker 1: I love that stuff. I listened to music constant. Music's
Speaker 1: been the whole, a huge part of my life since
Speaker 1: day one and always will be. Just love that stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's it's been going pretty well. I've been running
Speaker 1: thirty one days of Sonic Horror on Halloween, so I've
Speaker 1: been trying to upload like three different titles of day.
Speaker 1: One really good or creepy, one at midnight all Halloween
Speaker 1: themed or spooky themed, another one during the day about
Speaker 1: three usually kids had spoken words something like that, and
Speaker 1: then another good one in the primetime nine ten o'clock
Speaker 1: at night. More accessible stuff. Stuff you've probably heard, but
Speaker 1: you know you haven't listened to lately, Black Sabbaths things
Speaker 1: like that. It's been going real well. You've you've helped
Speaker 1: me out a lot over there too. You send a
Speaker 1: lot of people away, and I do appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Her. Oh it's my pleasure. Like I said, I really
Speaker 2: dig what you're doing over there. And some of those
Speaker 2: horror themed stuff you dug up that was like pre
Speaker 2: goth type music. It was goth before goth was even
Speaker 2: a thing. And I'm loving it. And I've found a
Speaker 2: lot of albums over there that I'd never heard of before,
Speaker 2: and some old favorites too, especially some of the halloween
Speaker 2: stuff You've got, like some of those spoken word kids
Speaker 2: records that I used to have on vinyl, and then
Speaker 2: some of the sound effects. They're like really chilling sounds
Speaker 2: of the haunted house and the horror effects and some
Speaker 2: of that stuff. I love those albums.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I've I've really enjoyed posting them up
Speaker 1: and listening to them again because I had a lot
Speaker 1: of those kids too, and it's been years and years
Speaker 1: since I've listened to them. Been good comments, good feedback
Speaker 1: on it, So it's it's been fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm growing community over there. When people I'm interested
Speaker 2: to see what you do.
Speaker 1: It's doing real well, see I enjoy doing it.
Speaker 2: What your plans after how I'm kind of.
Speaker 1: I honestly, I I love this time a year. Oh,
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of stuff in the can and
Speaker 1: getting ready to get ready to go. That's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say. I'm kind of looking forward to getting
Speaker 1: getting October over with in that regard to get back to,
Speaker 1: you know, doing the stuff that I that I really
Speaker 1: really like the old psych albums. I've got some some
Speaker 1: more stuff, some uh, some rare things. I'm telling me,
Speaker 1: you've got some live stuff. I'm really interested in hearing.
Speaker 1: I'd love to post some of that too, Some rare
Speaker 1: concerts live Pink Floyd coming up, the Moby Grape, you know,
Speaker 1: things like that. Skip Spence, I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: familiar with him, He's gonna be one of the one
Speaker 1: of the ones I'm gonna get first off the bat.
Speaker 1: He's that's an interesting story going into this last week
Speaker 1: of Halloween. I've got some really creepy stuff coming out,
Speaker 1: especially midnight the last four or five days. I've got
Speaker 1: a certain band of highlighting that just is beyond creepy
Speaker 1: to me. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: fun listen. It's gonna be a little rough in some spots.
Speaker 1: I will say that it's not.
Speaker 2: The kind of stuff kind of surprise, let's hear it
Speaker 2: that way. Charles Manson album and Anton Levey or just
Speaker 2: yeah that that's really really creepy stuff. You got cover
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Halloween. I'm looking to do a probably twenty
Speaker 1: four hour marathon. Some some albums, some newer albums, some cartoons,
Speaker 1: holiday you know, Halloween TV specials from the past, movies,
Speaker 1: things like that. But I'm gonna keep it going pretty
Speaker 1: much all day ado. I did that on Friday, thirteenth month.
Speaker 2: Movies and TV shows and stuff over there too. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate those as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of they can bring back memories. I'll
Speaker 1: say that watching those again, it's fun. It's really fun.
Speaker 1: I love Halloween, and obviously you do too. I know
Speaker 1: that it's your birthday. Happy birthday in advance there, sir
Speaker 1: for you and molder, Oh thank you. Halloween's the best
Speaker 1: time of year for me. I just love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was that way. Yeah, Halloween was like a
Speaker 2: military exercise for me and my friends. You know, we planned.
Speaker 2: We strategized to get as much candy as we possibly
Speaker 2: could and create as much mischief and havoc as we
Speaker 2: possibly could. Need to do a show some time about Halloween. Franks,
Speaker 2: if the statute limitations has expired on some of those.
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. I totally understood you talking about
Speaker 1: the toilet bring up toilet paper and soap and other things,
Speaker 1: eggs and they used to yeah, using Halloween. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like.
Speaker 1: For me, it's spooky time all year round. For me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, celebrate Halloween year round. And thankfully my wife Nicole,
Speaker 2: she's the same way. We love everything dark and creepy
Speaker 2: and spooky, and it's just it's how every day is Halloween,
Speaker 2: or it can be. Getting back to that, the dark
Speaker 2: stuff and the spooky stuff. How did you get interested
Speaker 2: in everything grim and gory, the paranormal, the darker side,
Speaker 2: if you will. What led you into all that?
Speaker 1: Wow? I would have to say, I think my father
Speaker 1: probably brought me into that. I've always been attuned to it.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say some people call it second sight,
Speaker 1: you know, the vision. I've always had a bit of that.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing things and hearing things back from way
Speaker 1: back when I was a small, small child. The first
Speaker 1: time I ever remember seeing anything, I was still I
Speaker 1: was still a toddler. I was in a I remember
Speaker 1: the very first time I thought something was a miss
Speaker 1: we say, I remember I was. I was in my
Speaker 1: playpen in my mom's room. It was afternoon, and I
Speaker 1: was just kind of hanging out and Uh lived next
Speaker 1: door to me, and he was about a month older
Speaker 1: than I. Jeff referenced him in at least one story
Speaker 1: that you've already done narrated. He was over there with
Speaker 1: me as well. They had him in the playpen. Well,
Speaker 1: everybody was out of the room. It was just him
Speaker 1: and on. I guess we'd been sleeping and I woke
Speaker 1: up and I was kind of hanging out there, and
Speaker 1: it was one of those old, uh wooden slided kind
Speaker 1: of playpens, had a a rail across the top that
Speaker 1: I had just how described this exactly. It had these
Speaker 1: little metal rods that were between a couple of top rods,
Speaker 1: and they had like these uh smaller bolts that were
Speaker 1: were out in the center were on the metal post
Speaker 1: with a spring underneath, so you could sit there and
Speaker 1: kind of ping you know, kind of spring the ball
Speaker 1: back and forth and entertaining yourself. I remember laying there
Speaker 1: kind of half asleep, and I started hearing that spring
Speaker 1: Nollix got up, kind of raised up, and there was
Speaker 1: this older gentleman that I didn't know it's time, kind
Speaker 1: of sitting in a chair over across the room, looking
Speaker 1: at me and just making faces. He was smiling and
Speaker 1: he just kept, you know, he kept I remember I
Speaker 1: he was funny. I remember just laughing, and I woke
Speaker 1: my cousin up or he woke up somehow, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was kind of like pointing this
Speaker 1: guy out to him as a little small child, and
Speaker 1: he just seemed oblivious to him. Didn't really think anything
Speaker 1: of it at the time, I guess, going on for
Speaker 1: a few minutes. Well, my mom and dad and just
Speaker 1: dad came into the room sometime shortly thereafter, and they
Speaker 1: were all standing around the room talking and this gentleman
Speaker 1: was still sitting over in there, just looking at me
Speaker 1: and smiling. And there was a point my mom went
Speaker 1: over and started to sit down, and I remember that
Speaker 1: really clearly. She started to sit right on top of
Speaker 1: this guy and I I just didn't know what was
Speaker 1: going on, you know, And I'm watching this with like
Speaker 1: wide eyes, and she sat in the chair and this
Speaker 1: gentleman just disappeared. I thought that was really really strange.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know how to him, which
Speaker 1: he is very young, just kind of flabbergasted me. I
Speaker 1: guess later on Jeff left, my family left the room.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing him again. He was just kind of
Speaker 1: wandering around the room and you know, just watching me.
Speaker 1: And I remember other times throughout years as a small
Speaker 1: child seeing him, but I don't know as that older.
Speaker 1: I just guess I just forgot about him, didn't see
Speaker 1: him anymore. Think about it. Fast forward to I'm probably seventeen.
Speaker 1: Brought my girlfriend over to my house one night on
Speaker 1: a Friday night. We were on a date, and we
Speaker 1: came home and my parents were going through stacks of
Speaker 1: old photo albums. Say, my dad had tons and tons
Speaker 1: of the old photo albums, and they were the ones
Speaker 1: that either pulled up the cellophane, you know, and stopped
Speaker 1: a picture onto the sticky back, or he had ones
Speaker 1: that were had like little glued corners on them that
Speaker 1: were stuck onto like instruction paper. We had tons of those,
Speaker 1: and they both through them, and I'd looked through some
Speaker 1: of them before, but not all of them. I was
Speaker 1: sitting there, we were, my girlfriend and I were both
Speaker 1: looking at watching my parents go through them and looking
Speaker 1: at the photos too, and my mom came across this
Speaker 1: picture and it was a picture of my mom as
Speaker 1: a young girl, and there was a lady next to
Speaker 1: her and an older gentleman and it was the same
Speaker 1: gentleman that I had as a child, and it hit
Speaker 1: me at that moment I had this recollect of him,
Speaker 1: and I asked my mom. I stopped and I said,
Speaker 1: who is that? And she said, well, that that's Pepe.
Speaker 1: That's your grandfather. I had never met my grandfather's, well,
Speaker 1: either one of them. They both passed away shortly before
Speaker 1: I had I was born. And she said, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my father.
Speaker 2: Pepe was you know, that's when you know?
Speaker 1: And she told me to worry about it, and I
Speaker 1: didn't say anything to her at the time, but you know,
Speaker 1: we went through the pictures and everything. Well, later on
Speaker 1: we left, I told my girlfriend about it. We were
Speaker 1: both kind of freaked out about it, so that that
Speaker 1: was kind of freaky, But the real kicker was probably
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm probably my thirties. At point, my
Speaker 1: parents had just passed away, both of them. My father
Speaker 1: passed away. Well, actually wrote up a story about about.
Speaker 2: That that.
Speaker 1: You're familiar with. My mom passed a week later, and
Speaker 1: after my mom's funeral, we my brother and sister and
Speaker 1: myself were all went all back to the house and
Speaker 1: we were kind of going through all the stuff in
Speaker 1: the house. You know, you're going opening drawers and seeing
Speaker 1: what's this and what that, and just kind of figuring
Speaker 1: out what to throw away, what to give away, what keep. Well,
Speaker 1: I ran into found a big stack of old letters,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them were letters from my dad
Speaker 1: and my mom during World War Two. Somewhere from other
Speaker 1: members of the family. I found a series of letters
Speaker 1: that it were from my mother's father, Pepe at the
Speaker 1: time was in the hospital dying of some form of
Speaker 1: I don't know, cancer, tuberculosis, something he didn't have much longer,
Speaker 1: and he was telling my mother that it was really
Speaker 1: disappointing to him that he would not be able to see,
Speaker 1: you know, her her son who was going to be
Speaker 1: born in a couple of months, which was me, and
Speaker 1: that he couldn't be there with us. But he would
Speaker 1: always watch out us. He told her he would, he
Speaker 1: would take care and he would watch out for me,
Speaker 1: and uh, he'd be around. And that's when it really
Speaker 1: hit me. I just that floored me. Wow. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else say about that, but that
Speaker 1: that really that that brought it to my attention. Always
Speaker 1: seen things throughout my life, though my dad was the same.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of times when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I would hear things or or see people that that
Speaker 1: I that looked just as solid as they could be,
Speaker 1: and I would say something about it, and my my mom,
Speaker 1: my brothers and sister would just you know, laugh it
Speaker 1: off and tell me what a great imagination I had,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was just I was crazy. I
Speaker 1: was you're being silly, And as a young child, I
Speaker 1: tried it was sometimes I really tried to get their
Speaker 1: attention to let them know that, you know, there's something
Speaker 1: else something going on here. What what who is that person?
Speaker 1: Who's what's what's happening? Why aren't you seeing this? My
Speaker 1: father pulled me aside one time and said, you know,
Speaker 1: he he knew what I was seeing. He was aware
Speaker 1: of it. There were things that were meant for us
Speaker 1: to see that weren't meant for other people. And he, uh,
Speaker 1: he probably kept me from going crazy as a kid,
Speaker 1: He really did. He he let me know he was
Speaker 1: there for me, and that you know, there's there's other
Speaker 1: things out there in the world that were a lot
Speaker 1: of people were just not meant to be aware of,
Speaker 1: and it's really not our place to try to make
Speaker 1: them aware of it. So I guess that's what started
Speaker 1: me down this road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your experiences.
Speaker 1: Used to listen to a lot of his stories when
Speaker 1: I was a kid.
Speaker 2: Might have. Wasn't my father, but my maternal grandmother that
Speaker 2: I had almost the same exact conversations with, and she explained,
Speaker 2: there's things that are just meant for you that only
Speaker 2: you can see. And sometimes you'll see something that's meant
Speaker 2: for somebody else, but you can see it too, And
Speaker 2: then other things you may see and you'll never know
Speaker 2: who it's for, what it's all about at all, even
Speaker 2: in retrospect. And I found that to be true. Like you,
Speaker 2: my adventures started early. I saw a little tiny Christmas
Speaker 2: lights lying around the house when I was still in
Speaker 2: a crib and there were no flying lights at her house.
Speaker 2: I was trying to catch them, and my dad like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? And I'm trying to catch these lights, daddy,
Speaker 2: but he couldn't see him. And then the first apparition
Speaker 2: I ever saw was a little boy that ran into
Speaker 2: our yard and disappeared. And I didn't take wise off
Speaker 2: the spot, went right to the spot. Nothing there, nothing
Speaker 2: I could have mistaken for a kid, No hole that
Speaker 2: a kid could have fallen in. I went and got
Speaker 2: a shovel and dug there to see if there was
Speaker 2: something in the ground. Didn't find anything, and this code
Speaker 2: I were talking about that and literally I've still got
Speaker 2: that shovel, still digging. You know, I'm always looking for
Speaker 2: answers and you probably found this to be your experience too.
Speaker 2: We've got a lot more questions than when we started,
Speaker 2: and it's not about finding the answers anymore. It's on
Speaker 2: to the next set of questions.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I totally agree with that. There's just so
Speaker 1: so many odd things out there, you know, and hauntings
Speaker 1: people people talk about hauntings and ghosts and there's so
Speaker 1: many different types. I guess you would say, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got your your resonant images, you tape, there's no
Speaker 1: connection you can't. You can't interact with them. They don't
Speaker 1: interact with you. It's just like you're watching a video
Speaker 1: of some kind of emotional input question that's happened. And
Speaker 1: then there's some that there's a lot of interaction there there.
Speaker 1: You know, there are entities out there that that are
Speaker 1: just lost. They don't know what's going on. They're they're
Speaker 1: not sure where they're at, they're not aware, they don't
Speaker 1: know what's happened. And there's other beings too. There's there's
Speaker 1: some bad stuff out there. Honestly, I went through this
Speaker 1: life wishing that, wishing that I didn't have the site
Speaker 1: that I've had. It's you know, a long time ago,
Speaker 1: I gave up trying to convince people of anything. I
Speaker 1: see what I see. I believe what I believe. You know,
Speaker 1: if I've got a tumor and I'm just crazy, then
Speaker 1: that's what it is. But I don't think. So. There's
Speaker 1: just so much out there that we don't know about.
Speaker 1: It's and I don't know that we ever will.
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 1: So, I hope someday, you know, on the other side,
Speaker 1: we'll have answers of everything.
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree.
Speaker 1: Don't have it now though, yeah, it's away, but.
Speaker 2: If we had all the answers, the journey wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been half as much fun. I don't think it was.
Speaker 2: You know, it was frightening, it was exhilarating, but there
Speaker 2: was always something happening, and like you, I saw people
Speaker 2: that nobody will can see it. I didn't know that
Speaker 2: there were two little boys that used to come down
Speaker 2: out of the woods on the farm where I grew up,
Speaker 2: and not a big farm's twenty six acres. There were
Speaker 2: these little kids that would come down out of the
Speaker 2: woods and I would play with them down in an
Speaker 2: area we called the bottoms, which was on the other
Speaker 2: side of a creek, and we pull me out a
Speaker 2: garden down there and planted corn and stuff. And I
Speaker 2: asked my dad about that much later in life. I
Speaker 2: was probably in my thirties or maybe even forty, and
Speaker 2: I said, who were those kids that I used to
Speaker 2: play with down there? And he's like your imaginary friends,
Speaker 2: and I said, no, these were real children. And I
Speaker 2: told him the direction that they came from when they
Speaker 2: came down the hill. He said, there's nothing over there.
Speaker 2: He said, there's a sheer bluff on the other side
Speaker 2: of that ridge. That drops off down into the lake,
Speaker 2: which used to be the Clinch River until TVA damned
Speaker 2: it up and made Miltain Hill Lake. And he said
Speaker 2: the only thing that was back over there if you
Speaker 2: went off the top of it. He said, there used
Speaker 2: to be on the flat land over there, on the
Speaker 2: other side of the there was an old church and
Speaker 2: a graveyard. And I was like, okay, So apparently I
Speaker 2: was playing with ghost kids and didn't even realize they
Speaker 2: were ghosts. And it was weird because at the time,
Speaker 2: this would have been in the mid to late sixties,
Speaker 2: maybe into the early seventies, they didn't dress like kids
Speaker 2: that day. They had like short hair, like burr haircuts,
Speaker 2: like buzz cuts, and they had jeans with a cuffed
Speaker 2: way up in little flannel shirts. And I think it's
Speaker 2: probably some kids that passed away from a smallpox or
Speaker 2: collar or something that had been buried in that graveyard
Speaker 2: back there. And when we'd been down there playing, I
Speaker 2: would hear bell off in the distance, almost like a
Speaker 2: dinner bell, and they would just stop whatever they're doing
Speaker 2: and take off back through the woods and go out
Speaker 2: of sight. That's weird that the ring of a bell.
Speaker 2: But anytime we played down there. If I got close
Speaker 2: to the branch the creek there, they wouldn't get near it.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's the myth, apparently, the is that
Speaker 2: ghosts can't cross running water. And other times, when I
Speaker 2: wasn't playing with these little kids, i'd be down in
Speaker 2: there and it started getting dark, I would get just
Speaker 2: this overwhelming sense of foreboding and I would run out
Speaker 2: of there. And my dad had built a little bridge
Speaker 2: across the creek there, and I didn't feel like something
Speaker 2: wasn't after me until I got across that bridge when
Speaker 2: I crossed the water, So that that kind of makes sense,
Speaker 2: But that whole area it was weird. There were seven
Speaker 2: natural springs, six of them that flowed out of hillsides
Speaker 2: and one that was an artesian spring. Those flowed into
Speaker 2: a bigger creek which used to go into the river,
Speaker 2: and then the lake and the ditch near there where
Speaker 2: I had several paranormal experiences that I've talked about. That
Speaker 2: was the old stagecoach road, the old dirt road to
Speaker 2: the air dating back to revolutionary times and probably before that.
Speaker 2: But I think that people got ambushed there. People stopped
Speaker 2: along that road and went down there to the creek
Speaker 2: get a drink of water, and especially I believe during
Speaker 2: the Civil War, because we used to find the mini balls,
Speaker 2: the fire shells now the cartridges and things like that,
Speaker 2: found arrowheads and things down there.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: One time there was an old tree that lightning had
Speaker 2: struck and it rotted, and my dad and I were
Speaker 2: burning it, and when we rolled it over so the
Speaker 2: other side would catch, there was the tip of a
Speaker 2: Civil War era bayonet that was broken off in the tree.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what all had gone down there,
Speaker 2: but it felt off.
Speaker 1: Oh huh, Yeah, the water has an attraction. I do
Speaker 1: believe that. When when I grew up, we lived at
Speaker 1: the end of a cul de sac, and I had
Speaker 1: a creek running right behind the house and you went
Speaker 1: down the hill and probably I don't know, seventy five
Speaker 1: yards from my house was a running creek, and I
Speaker 1: saw that there were just so many things that happened
Speaker 1: around that creek, not just behind the house, but up
Speaker 1: and down the creek is we played kids, the kids
Speaker 1: in there. We were always in that creek, but there
Speaker 1: was always something happened or something going on on on
Speaker 1: this nearby. There was a if you might I guess
Speaker 1: from my house heading south. It was called Second Creek
Speaker 1: still is, but it passed right through the middle of
Speaker 1: the graveyard on the very edge of town. It's the
Speaker 1: only graveyard we had, and there was an old stun
Speaker 1: bridge that cemetery. It was never used when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. In fact, I we didn't even know it
Speaker 1: was there until one time we went that far down
Speaker 1: the creek and found it. I remember one time when
Speaker 1: it was summertime, around the fourth of July, because we
Speaker 1: were we were all running around at night playing games,
Speaker 1: you know, doing the ghosts in the graveyard and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But we had an interesting graveyard. It
Speaker 1: goes back a long time, early well, early mid eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: I guess, and the oldest graves back there. My friend,
Speaker 1: two of my friends and I decided we were gonna
Speaker 1: go We're gonna we're gonna camp out in the graveyard
Speaker 1: at night, you know, kind of check things out. So, uh,
Speaker 1: we were making plans and everything. We did that. We
Speaker 1: headed down one night a couple of the other kids,
Speaker 1: but the older kids in the neighborhood, a couple of boys,
Speaker 1: they'd heard what was going on, so they decided they
Speaker 1: were going to come down and mess with us. So
Speaker 1: we were down there and we were kind of camping out,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of freaking each other out about things.
Speaker 1: And I hadn't really seen anything at the time or
Speaker 1: felt anything. Dave and Scott, the two kids, were trying
Speaker 1: to sneak up on it. When we knew they were coming,
Speaker 1: we heard them, so we had some fireworks with us
Speaker 1: and you know, some bottle rockets and stuff, so we
Speaker 1: kind of went down toward the creek and then started
Speaker 1: lighting them off at them, and they got all freaked
Speaker 1: out and took off, and we thought that was great fun. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the boys that was right with me, we
Speaker 1: were hiding down at the bridge, and we were under
Speaker 1: that stone bridge waiting for everybody to leave and kind
Speaker 1: of laughing about things and trying to keep quiet. Well,
Speaker 1: we sat down there for probably, I don't know, it'd
Speaker 1: very been about ten or fifteen minutes after everybody left,
Speaker 1: and we were still kind of down there, thrown rocks
Speaker 1: in the water and just kind of listening to everything.
Speaker 1: And we heard it was the sound of a bell,
Speaker 1: kind of a I don't know, like a small tin bell,
Speaker 1: just ringing kind of erratically, and the sound after it
Speaker 1: came the sound of horsehoves, and clear as a bell,
Speaker 1: we heard this group of horses come down through the field,
Speaker 1: which there was, it was just field on the other
Speaker 1: side of the bridge that went out. It sounded like
Speaker 1: horses were pulling a carriage, and they came and cross
Speaker 1: that bridge over the top of us, went down into
Speaker 1: the cemetery, and we're we're listening to this. Just scared
Speaker 1: death to even look out from underneath the bridge. And
Speaker 1: it went maybe I don't know, hundred yards into the
Speaker 1: cemetery and then stopped, and the bell stopped ringing, and
Speaker 1: we heard muted voices. Couldn't make out what they were saying,
Speaker 1: but they were definitely talking. And we decided finally we
Speaker 1: were gonna We're gonna go take a look at what's
Speaker 1: going on here, you know. So we start climbing out
Speaker 1: and Brian, who was with me, probably got about twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty feet up the hill in front of me,
Speaker 1: and then he took off like a shot, headed for
Speaker 1: the creek. Didn't say a word and was just gone.
Speaker 1: I got up there, and I got up and looked,
Speaker 1: and I can't say I saw much.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was kind of foggy at that point, but there
Speaker 1: was definitely some a light down by where the old
Speaker 1: graves were, and when I came up, the voices stopped
Speaker 1: and it became dead silent. I took off after Brian,
Speaker 1: not knowing what's all or you know, just just wanted
Speaker 1: to get out of there. It had just a bad,
Speaker 1: bad feeling. Years later we never did find out what
Speaker 1: was going on there. But years later I found out
Speaker 1: that that bridge, the only purpose that bridge ever for
Speaker 1: was to carry the hearse that would drive There was
Speaker 1: an old horse drawn curt hearse that came from that
Speaker 1: side of the field where the guy that did the
Speaker 1: doug the graves lived up there. He had it apparently
Speaker 1: had it on an old carriage. They would carry the
Speaker 1: bodies into the cemetery that way and then he would
Speaker 1: you know, do his business and bury them. I got
Speaker 1: with the old Lenchester Historical Society, which is where I'm from,
Speaker 1: and they had small pictures and actually were talking about
Speaker 1: the old carriage that used to come across and it
Speaker 1: actually had bells that hung off the front there on
Speaker 1: some wires, so it made a noise as they came
Speaker 1: toward the cemetery. That was really creepy. Man I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if we were just watching, watching and hearing something
Speaker 1: out of the ass, but it was right by that creek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rightly. And it was so many things East
Speaker 2: Tennessee too. There was an area Beaver Creek that ran
Speaker 2: to there, and I think it goes all the way
Speaker 2: up into Virginia or somewhere, but everywhere along that creek
Speaker 2: there are all kinds of hauntings and paranormal activity, and
Speaker 2: a very similar story there. At one point there was
Speaker 2: some guys down there that had did either rob the
Speaker 2: stagecoach or robbed the train and took off up the
Speaker 2: hill toward Beaver Creek, and they hid out in a
Speaker 2: cave and their initials are still in there. You can
Speaker 2: go and see that in the cave that's up there.
Speaker 2: But they eventually caught him and killed them right outside
Speaker 2: the cave there. But one night my dad was out
Speaker 2: in there and he heard what sounded like hoop beats,
Speaker 2: heard him coming up the hill, passed right by him
Speaker 2: there for the creek, and went out of earshot. He
Speaker 2: said there was no horses there. I mean. He grew
Speaker 2: up on a nine hundred and something anchor farm in
Speaker 2: Middle Tennessee. He was very well versed with around farm animal.
Speaker 2: He said, I heard it, but there was nothing there.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the stories that if you go
Speaker 2: down there, I don't know if it's certain nights or
Speaker 2: certain time of night, you can hear those guys still
Speaker 2: replaying that over and over where they're trying to get
Speaker 2: through there on their horses to get away from the
Speaker 2: posse that was pursued them and they didn't make it.
Speaker 2: And there's something about the water like that. You're right
Speaker 2: to that of tracks and you'd sent me another story.
Speaker 2: I think it happened around that same area where he
Speaker 2: grew up. I don't think I've gotten around and narrating
Speaker 2: that yet. Was the turtle man? That was that a
Speaker 2: supernatural thing or just a strange person that was out
Speaker 2: for yeah around or.
Speaker 1: Yeah that one? No, it was it was definitely something. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine. That's one of the first recollections I have
Speaker 1: of back to having rash with another it was a
Speaker 1: ghost or another entity. Didn't know it at the time,
Speaker 1: I was. It was summertime. Strangely off my dad. We
Speaker 1: had a bridge across the creek behind our house as
Speaker 1: well that my father had built hang out back there
Speaker 1: on that old wooden bridge out and down and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe fish off it. The water wasn't that deep. It
Speaker 1: was probably only four or five feet in some areas
Speaker 1: through there, and five would be deep. For that creek
Speaker 1: was oh forty fifty feet wide through their trees hanging
Speaker 1: over and everything. We were always in the in the water,
Speaker 1: you know, turn over rock, looking for crawllads, catching fish
Speaker 1: and stuff. Well, one summer I was by myself, and
Speaker 1: I was probably eight seven eight years old or something,
Speaker 1: and I was sitting down on the on the bridge
Speaker 1: having some lunch, you know, I had a sandwich and
Speaker 1: some a drink or something, and I remember having a
Speaker 1: book on fish. It was like a library book that
Speaker 1: was on real colorful. I had all kinds of fish,
Speaker 1: different types in it. And I was looking at that
Speaker 1: reading and just kind of hanging my feet off the
Speaker 1: side of the bridge and you know, enjoying the summer
Speaker 1: day by myself back there, and I started hearing this
Speaker 1: dumping noise off in the distance down the creek, kind
Speaker 1: of a think silk, kind of almost a metallic now,
Speaker 1: and i'd heard it before. I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: To put my stock in it. But I started looking
Speaker 1: down the creek, you know, and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what what this was, because from my house there was
Speaker 1: another house, you know, I don't know, a quarter mile away,
Speaker 1: and then really nothing. I mean, there were some other
Speaker 1: houses up from the creek, but no kind of industrial
Speaker 1: thing or no, there's just nothing. It just went into
Speaker 1: woods and you know, went through the fields and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So after a couple of minutes, I saw this guy
Speaker 1: coming through the mill Creek and walking through the water,
Speaker 1: had a pair of overalls on, was in water about
Speaker 1: up to his knees, I guess, and he was walking
Speaker 1: along in the water, walking next to the bank, and
Speaker 1: he had a big stick, big of wong wouldn't stick
Speaker 1: with it, and he stopped every now and then he
Speaker 1: would show the stick down into the bank and you'd
Speaker 1: hear itunk. You'd hear this funk sound. And I'd never
Speaker 1: seen this guy before him. I was, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I was. I was a real friendly, personable kid,
Speaker 1: I though I knew everybody in the area, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to go see, you know, who is this guy?
Speaker 1: Why is he doing this? So I ran across the bridge,
Speaker 1: took off down the side of the the bank down there,
Speaker 1: and sure enough, here this old, scraggly looking guy. I
Speaker 1: said hello, and you know, introduced myself to him and
Speaker 1: looked as solid as he could be, just some old guy,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, he said hello to me
Speaker 1: and asked him what he was doing, and uh, he
Speaker 1: was looking for turtles. He's looking for some victuals. I'm
Speaker 1: saying the word victuals because I knew what that was.
Speaker 1: We when when I was a kid, he used to
Speaker 1: watch gun Smoke every every night, that every Monday night.
Speaker 1: They talk about that. That was a word that came
Speaker 1: up a lot.
Speaker 2: So you know, they'd have company over for vittles. And
Speaker 2: I asked my dad, I said, where did they get
Speaker 2: that word? He said, they're saying victuals, but it's vittles
Speaker 2: when in the south or out west?
Speaker 1: What he was he said, he was looking turtles. Turtles
Speaker 1: was and uh, I knew there was some there were snapping,
Speaker 1: some snapping turtles in there, and I thought that was,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, So I said, well, how how are you?
Speaker 1: How do you catch them? Because you wracking along with him,
Speaker 1: big on lap sack that was like tied around to
Speaker 1: his shoulder and waist, but it was hanging behind him,
Speaker 1: just coming through the water, and it looked like it
Speaker 1: had something in it. I mean it had some stuff,
Speaker 1: because it had some weight to it. But I said, well,
Speaker 1: how you know, how are you catching them with a stick?
Speaker 1: You know those things are me It's well, let me
Speaker 1: tell you. I said, you come along here, he said,
Speaker 1: a turtle, said, a big old snapper. W'll come up
Speaker 1: and they'll find a hole in the in the side
Speaker 1: of the bank and they'll go in and they'll they'll
Speaker 1: stay in there and then they'll be hiding. He said,
Speaker 1: you can take I take my stick and he said,
Speaker 1: I stick it in there. I hear it sunk. I
Speaker 1: know there's so he said. What I do is reach
Speaker 1: my hand down and grab turtle, pull him out, and
Speaker 1: it's throw him up on the bank and then I'll
Speaker 1: grab put him in lap cycle. I thought this guy
Speaker 1: was nuts. I said, you know, you you you're gonna
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You know you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: get bit turtles. Snapping turtles are nasty things, you know.
Speaker 1: They heard when they when they go to bite down,
Speaker 1: they have to actually finish the bite before they can
Speaker 1: release again. I'm not sure if that's true, but I've
Speaker 1: never really done research on it, but I guess their
Speaker 1: jaws locked, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've heard similar adventures on the creek there.
Speaker 2: I found one and I poked it with a big
Speaker 2: stick limb and it chopped down on the limb and
Speaker 2: I carried it all the way home with it hanging
Speaker 2: on to that limb, and I took it and I
Speaker 2: showed my mother. I said, look what I caught. And
Speaker 2: she said, that's a snapping turtle. You get rid of that.
Speaker 2: She said, if that gets a hold of you, it
Speaker 2: won't let go until it here's thunder. I'd never heard
Speaker 2: that either, but apparently, yeah, they've they've got a hell
Speaker 2: of a bite and then they just will not. Like
Speaker 2: I said, I carried the pull away to the turtle
Speaker 2: on the end of that stick, and it was a
Speaker 2: big old turtle. That was the only one I ever encountered.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wouldn't have returned the bank and tried
Speaker 2: to grab all with my hand.
Speaker 1: Oh god, No. I was like, well, you know what happens.
Speaker 1: You're reaching out, He's gonna bite you, and he goes, nah,
Speaker 1: he won't bite you, he said. He said, Uh, they
Speaker 1: go in head first. He said, they'll always go in
Speaker 1: head first and they have to back out. I thought
Speaker 1: about it for a minute. I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 1: what what happens if the hole was big enough that
Speaker 1: that turtle turned around there. And he kind of looked
Speaker 1: at me and looked he looked out of the water.
Speaker 1: Guy looked kind of close to me, and he said, well, son,
Speaker 1: then you get back. And he pulled his hand up
Speaker 1: and it was missing his three middle fingers on his
Speaker 1: right hand, and it the bank just reaked out and
Speaker 1: he was laughing, just cackling at the top of his lungs.
Speaker 1: And I started to climb up and he apologized to me.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm sorry, son. He said I couldn't resist,
Speaker 1: you know, and just and he said, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what happened to him. He got he got bit one time.
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, they ain't never do that much.
Speaker 1: And sat there in the grass and kind of talked
Speaker 1: to him and we had we had a nice conversation
Speaker 1: for about probably ten minutes, I guess. And my mom
Speaker 1: had this old kind of bronze dinner bell that was
Speaker 1: hanging off the door on the back porch, and when
Speaker 1: it was dinner, time, she would open the back door
Speaker 1: and hit that thing. And I'm telling you, if I
Speaker 1: was within a mile of the house, you heard that,
Speaker 1: and that was like you to come home. I had
Speaker 1: to come home for dinner. So that thing went off
Speaker 1: and I looked back to the house and I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, ma'am, that's my mom. I gotta you know,
Speaker 1: I got she's called me for dinner. I gotta go.
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, it's nice meeting you, and
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, you better go. He said, you don't
Speaker 1: want to get yourself in trouble and turned around and
Speaker 1: started to run up the hill. And I hadn't gone
Speaker 1: maybe ten feet, and I stopped. I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't know this guy's name. So I turned around
Speaker 1: to tell it, to ask him, sir, what what's your name?
Speaker 1: You know that's me yet? And there was nobody there.
Speaker 1: It was he was gone, completely gone, and he'd been
Speaker 1: standing in the creek. There was no way he could
Speaker 1: have gotten out of that creek. I ran to the edge,
Speaker 1: thinking maybe he's falling down the water or something. No,
Speaker 1: there was no sign of him. There was no ripples
Speaker 1: in the water. It was he was just gone. I
Speaker 1: think I stood there for about ten seconds and then
Speaker 1: I turned around and just ran for the house as
Speaker 1: fast as I could. I was just freaked out and
Speaker 1: got to the house, sat and got in the dinner table,
Speaker 1: and you know, started trying to tell my mom what
Speaker 1: was going on, and she was just like, yeah, what,
Speaker 1: you know, you're okay. I don't have time for stories,
Speaker 1: you know, just eat your dinner. Dad came home shortly thereafter,
Speaker 1: and I was telling him and he said something about it.
Speaker 1: He heard noises. He said he'd heard that thumbing before,
Speaker 1: but he didn't know what it was. Well after dinner
Speaker 1: he said, well, come on, i'll go down. I'll go
Speaker 1: down the creek with you and well we'll see, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll look around. So we went down there together. Didn't
Speaker 1: see a thing, no sign whatsoever that he was over there.
Speaker 1: That I ever saw anything. And that was those times
Speaker 1: he said, well, you know, maybe that was something just
Speaker 1: meant for you to see. Well, I looked a lot.
Speaker 1: Over the next couple of weeks, I'd looked around the creek.
Speaker 1: I'd listen to nothing. There were times I did hear
Speaker 1: that thumping again. And one time, probably a couple months
Speaker 1: after that, I was sitting on my back. We had
Speaker 1: like a big concrete patio back there with a grille,
Speaker 1: and it was a nice place to hang out. I
Speaker 1: was sitting back there was my friend Brian across the street.
Speaker 1: We're back there playing hot wheels, just you know, rolling
Speaker 1: around army Man and hot wheels, just having a good
Speaker 1: old time back there. And I heard something coming up
Speaker 1: that creek and he heard it too. I asked him,
Speaker 1: I said, do you hear that? He said, yeah, what
Speaker 1: is that? I said, come on, and I grabbed and
Speaker 1: took off running down that hillside, got this creek, started
Speaker 1: looking around. We heard it. We heard the something continue
Speaker 1: all the way down to the creek. When we got
Speaker 1: to it, it stopped, didn't near it again. We went
Speaker 1: We probably walked from out down the creek on both
Speaker 1: sides of the backs and never did see anything. But
Speaker 1: he heard it. That to me, that that, you know,
Speaker 1: verified that I wasn't just nuts and vald. My room, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my my bedroom was at the back of the house,
Speaker 1: so it looked down onto the creek, and I had
Speaker 1: I had wooden these red wooden shutters so you could
Speaker 1: close and lock and then pull the shutters kind of
Speaker 1: you know, came upward, so you couldn't see out unless
Speaker 1: I could see in. There were times, a couple of
Speaker 1: times at night, late when I would be laying in
Speaker 1: bed reading something, getting ready to doze off, not that
Speaker 1: i'd hear that something down in the creek. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you, every time I did after that, I may
Speaker 1: damn sure that my my window shutters were locked tight
Speaker 1: and I did not look out, because if I did,
Speaker 1: I was I was afraid I looked down, he'd be
Speaker 1: standing down there in front of you, just waving that
Speaker 1: hand in my face and laughing. It's just but but
Speaker 1: that always that that kind of messes me up when
Speaker 1: when they tell, you, know, you hear about about ghosts
Speaker 1: not being able to cross running water, and that's a
Speaker 1: that's a big thing. I mean, it seems to be
Speaker 1: true in a lot of cases, but here this this
Speaker 1: one was in the water. He was literally walking through
Speaker 1: the creek. It yeah, yeah, it was never forget that
Speaker 1: for a game. I can. I can close my eyes
Speaker 1: right now and just picture him, picture of the face
Speaker 1: and everything about him as clear as it was that
Speaker 1: day when I first saw him. Then that oh it
Speaker 1: did it. I mean, he put them right up in
Speaker 1: my face. And we just started laughing. Boy, it just
Speaker 1: im falling back five feet.
Speaker 2: And so that was the one off. You heard him
Speaker 2: after that, but you never did see him again, Is
Speaker 2: that correct?
Speaker 1: Correct? I never never did, and and I looked there.
Speaker 1: There were a few times during daylight hours when I
Speaker 1: heard that noise and I'd run down there and look.
Speaker 1: But I never did see him, never did, and never
Speaker 1: never had the feeling that you're you're you're tuned to
Speaker 1: it like I am. To some degree, and probably maybe more.
Speaker 1: It's more than just a sight. You you feel it
Speaker 1: when you're when you're close to something or there's something nearby,
Speaker 1: your body is telling you that they're there. You know it.
Speaker 1: It's an energy, At least with me, it's almost like
Speaker 1: an electric charge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's how I would describe it. Almost like
Speaker 2: a just a creeping sensation that goes up your spine
Speaker 2: or across your arms. But I can tell when I'm
Speaker 2: in the presence of something strange or weird because I
Speaker 2: get that prickling sensation.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. It starts, like to say, it's going up
Speaker 1: the back of your neck, it's in my shoulders. I
Speaker 1: start shaking. It's almost just It's almost like I'm you know,
Speaker 1: getting electrocuted, small degree and sure enough there'll be something
Speaker 1: y' I'll see you here there or just no something,
Speaker 1: something's there. Yeah, you can't get away from it. It's great.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want it any other way, you know. Some times, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's annoying and frightening. I've been scared out of my
Speaker 2: wits before my stuff. But again, you know, those are
Speaker 2: great memories. I wouldn't wouldn't want to not be scared
Speaker 2: by stuff. I had something I couldn't see chase me
Speaker 2: out of a ditch a couple of times. Uh, several
Speaker 2: years apart, and years later, a weige aboard at a
Speaker 2: little house party i'd shown up at said that it
Speaker 2: was a water spirit or a water spry, and uh.
Speaker 2: I went to the library, this is pre internet, looked
Speaker 2: at up. Sure enough it was a type of elemental
Speaker 2: that guards the water, a niad. And okay, and the
Speaker 2: people at the party didn't know that story. I never
Speaker 2: told it to anybody at that point besides my parents.
Speaker 2: And yet these people working on the wage board, and
Speaker 2: all I said was they were going around the room
Speaker 2: asking people questions. I didn't know anybody at this little party,
Speaker 2: except the guy was with it. I only knew him
Speaker 2: from work and he didn't know the story. But when
Speaker 2: they got to me, I thought, I've got a good
Speaker 2: one for you. All said it was what scared me
Speaker 2: as a child, for that incident in mind. And the
Speaker 2: wigiboards built out sp r and they thought, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it's thirsty, it wants a sprite, it wants something to drink.
Speaker 2: But like I said, I filed that away. My next
Speaker 2: day off, I went to the big library downtown and
Speaker 2: asked the reference library and how can you tell me
Speaker 2: about a water sprite for a water spirit? And that
Speaker 2: was what she came up with. So there you go.
Speaker 2: According to the wijiboard, that's what I encountered. And it
Speaker 2: wasn't like a little fairy, a little gossamer wing something.
Speaker 2: First of all, I couldn't see it. It was affecting
Speaker 2: the tree limbs a lot higher than my head. And
Speaker 2: I could feel the ground shake when this thing came
Speaker 2: up out of the ditch, leaves knocking up in its wake.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And that was when I was I think seven or eight,
Speaker 2: And then right before we moved away from there, I
Speaker 2: was fifteen at that time. I walked back up there.
Speaker 2: I hadn't been there. I'd been near it, but not
Speaker 2: by myself. And I thought I was just kind of
Speaker 2: walking around the old home place there because we were
Speaker 2: we'd moved several miles up the highway to closer to
Speaker 2: where I was going to go to high school. I
Speaker 2: was just kind of out revisiting my haunts. We had
Speaker 2: twenty six acres out there in the country, so I
Speaker 2: had a lot of tree forts and stone circles and
Speaker 2: places that I camped and cooked and stuff. I just
Speaker 2: wanted to take the last look at that. And I
Speaker 2: walked up to the edge of that ditch, Terry, and
Speaker 2: I said, it's just to myself. I wonder what that
Speaker 2: was that scared me when I was a kid, and
Speaker 2: I hadn't much more than got that thought out of
Speaker 2: my head. I turned and started to walk away, and
Speaker 2: I hear those leaves coming up out of the ditch again.
Speaker 2: I turned around. Here's this thing that I can't see
Speaker 2: tearing out of the ditch after me. And I didn't
Speaker 2: run screaming and crying into the house. I did when
Speaker 2: I was eight years old, but I didn't waste any
Speaker 2: time getting out of there. That's the last time I
Speaker 2: was there, that's been forty five years ago. I wonder
Speaker 2: if it's still there and why had never bothered anybody
Speaker 2: but me? My bothered my brother both went up there,
Speaker 2: looked around. They could see where something had broke the
Speaker 2: tree limbs and kicked up in the leaves like was
Speaker 2: it a bear? Was it a deer? No? I knew
Speaker 2: what all those things were. And I even had a
Speaker 2: friend of her one time, and I thought I'd use
Speaker 2: him as bait. I had him go stand up next
Speaker 2: to the ditch and I stayed down the hill in
Speaker 2: a tree to go up there and look in the
Speaker 2: ditch and see if you see anything. And he's up
Speaker 2: there walking around, don't see nothing, So it didn't chase him.
Speaker 2: And then I even tried that. I had him stand
Speaker 2: down and I went up there. It didn't come out
Speaker 2: that time, But whatever it was, it only got after
Speaker 2: me when I was alone, and probably the second or
Speaker 2: third most frightened I've ever been. Now, did you ever
Speaker 2: have anything like that, anything that got after you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually, just a couple of years ago, I had
Speaker 1: some kind of weird thing going on here and I
Speaker 1: still can't I can't describe or explain that it's been
Speaker 1: a year two back on one of our one of
Speaker 1: our lunar know things that was going on at night
Speaker 1: one night we had some kind of I don't know
Speaker 1: if the clips it was a lunar eclips something like that.
Speaker 1: I like, I say, I'm I'm up all night. It was.
Speaker 1: I was off for a couple of nights, middle of
Speaker 1: the week. It was around the fourth of July again,
Speaker 1: and uh, this was this was really odd and I
Speaker 1: still I don't know. It still bothers me. I was
Speaker 1: it was probably two in the morning, maybe somewhere around
Speaker 1: that time one two everything. I think it was right
Speaker 1: after the Fourth of pot because you know, everybody did
Speaker 1: the fireworks and all that stuff. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I remember I looked out my back window. My
Speaker 1: back door is I've got two big doors that are
Speaker 1: just glass, and I've got about five acres out there
Speaker 1: that goes back into some woods. It's just a big
Speaker 1: open field thing goes back to the woods like a tree.
Speaker 1: There are some houses on the sides, but in the
Speaker 1: backs of the houses and whatnot, down probably almost to
Speaker 1: the end of my yard, right into my neighbor's property.
Speaker 1: I saw these images of these Uh, it was like
Speaker 1: people that were just I want to say they were
Speaker 1: almost It was like a bunch of people gathered around
Speaker 1: a fire or something, and they were dancing around it,
Speaker 1: just out there, and I'm thinking, Okay, what the hell
Speaker 1: is this? You know, what we're doing? The morgue? What's
Speaker 1: going on in my neighborhood? What that's new? People move
Speaker 1: in shortly before that, I'm thinking, Okay, what's what's going
Speaker 1: on with this group? But I noticed really quick that
Speaker 1: they as they were circling this and I want to
Speaker 1: say a fire, but there was no light really come
Speaker 1: from the center. They were illuminated and almost like a
Speaker 1: fog like way, but they were. They were going in
Speaker 1: a clockwise direction around this center section, and as they
Speaker 1: would I would see them on the left of it.
Speaker 1: And as they would go around, they would literally go
Speaker 1: into like an outbuilding and through through it. They weren't
Speaker 1: avoiding it. They would disappear. And then I'm out the
Speaker 1: other side and I'm looking at this thing, going, I'm
Speaker 1: what the what the hell am I seeing? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm I need to check this out. So I go outside,
Speaker 1: you know, I quietly kind of open the door and
Speaker 1: go out and kind of go around my I've got
Speaker 1: a big pool out there. I kind of go around
Speaker 1: the pool and get to I've got a building out there.
Speaker 1: It's also the man cave. I get to the side
Speaker 1: of that and I'm watching it and it's just they're
Speaker 1: still continuing. They're just going on. I'm not hearing a thing,
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. So I stepped out from the house a
Speaker 1: little bit from the building, got maybe ten feet out
Speaker 1: of the yard, and all of a sudden, the group
Speaker 1: of them just stopped and then just started coming at
Speaker 1: me fast. And I'm telling you what. I turned around
Speaker 1: and I just ran like hell to the house, got
Speaker 1: the house, slammed the door shut, pulled the blinds down,
Speaker 1: and then just went into another room and get away
Speaker 1: from the door. Ten minutes out so that I come
Speaker 1: back and I'm looking out the door, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of peeking around nothing. Nothing, you know. I I'm not
Speaker 1: going out. I'm just looking because it was back whatever.
Speaker 1: I had a really bad feeling about whatever this was,
Speaker 1: that was this group of whatever.
Speaker 2: Jason.
Speaker 1: Probably twenty minutes after that, I'm going back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth to the door to the you know,
Speaker 1: in the house. It starts again. I see it going
Speaker 1: on again, went out a second time, same thing happened,
Speaker 1: But I came in the house that thing, and I
Speaker 1: did not go back toward the door of the rest
Speaker 1: of the night. I still to this day, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what's going on. I mean, I'm almost picturing
Speaker 1: some kind of like Indian ritual thing or something, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I know it
Speaker 1: wasn't good. And they they there was definitely a connection there.
Speaker 1: I mean, they they they knew I was there, and
Speaker 1: they did not like it, and they were coming for
Speaker 1: that was that was, I mean, I just that was scared.
Speaker 1: The yeah, did they did whatever it was, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was a bunch of six or seventh that's
Speaker 1: six or seven.
Speaker 2: Back in the seventies, there was an old Peter Fonda
Speaker 2: movie called Race with the Devil where they were out
Speaker 2: things at a campground or a national park that they
Speaker 2: came across a bunch of cultists doing some sort of
Speaker 2: ritual and then got chased. And that's supposedly based on
Speaker 2: a true story. So yeah, things like that happened.
Speaker 1: Wow, this was I don't get that kind of feeling that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it was if it was
Speaker 1: called this, it was it was from way back. I
Speaker 1: mean they were they weren't. They weren't solid. It wasn't
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a you know, I could tell that.
Speaker 1: It was almost at first. I wasn't even screw I
Speaker 1: was seeing it. I mean it's just like, Okay, my
Speaker 1: eyes aren't that great. But you know, am I d
Speaker 1: a projection of something and somebody watching a movie out
Speaker 1: there or something and the like showing you know, on
Speaker 1: the side of a U one of the buildings or something.
Speaker 1: It was that they weren't corporal, Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: You could tell there were there were there was a
Speaker 1: misty quality about them. But yeah, I did not want
Speaker 1: any I did not want that or an interaction, and
Speaker 1: they weren't happy. I know that I could feel that.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned through the really don't that's a hint
Speaker 2: that they weren't uh corporal, that they were some sort
Speaker 2: of etheric.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a lot of weird stuff around here.
Speaker 1: I live right next door to an old h It
Speaker 1: was an old school that was abandoned. It was kind
Speaker 1: of refurbished restored into into a house years ago, but
Speaker 1: then hadn't been lived in. It sat there abandoned for
Speaker 1: probably thirty years. There's a lot of weird stuff over
Speaker 1: there too. I see a little girl. The whole vice
Speaker 1: was like surrounded by really tall pine trees. You almost
Speaker 1: couldn't see it from my house, so you could see
Speaker 1: it from the road. And we'd always we'd always see
Speaker 1: things going on over there. I mean we'd kind of
Speaker 1: you could kind of look certain times that you could
Speaker 1: see to the house. It was always a weird thing
Speaker 1: that one summer I remember seeing. It's really odd. It
Speaker 1: was almost like a recording of You could at night,
Speaker 1: a certain time of night, you could look in through
Speaker 1: the trees into this window and you would see someone
Speaker 1: coming down some stairs. They'd turn around and then they'd
Speaker 1: run back up the stairs. But there's no stairs there.
Speaker 1: There was no stairs in that room. But it just
Speaker 1: it continued. It would just go on and on and
Speaker 1: on h hours. I remember my son out there, who
Speaker 1: was pretty young at the time, and had him watching it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you see that. He goes, yeah, somebody's probably
Speaker 1: watching to you or something like something. Nobody nobody lives there,
Speaker 1: you know they're there. The electricity was on. There was
Speaker 1: always electric in that place because certain lights would come
Speaker 1: on at certain times. It was odd. I remember going.
Speaker 1: I'd spend a lot of hours kind of over nearby.
Speaker 1: But during the day there were there were times I
Speaker 1: remember I'd be out mowing the front yard, I'd done
Speaker 1: my riding door, and there was I'd see this little
Speaker 1: girl standing in the in the bushes, kind of in
Speaker 1: the trees, just watching me, holding this little teddy bear,
Speaker 1: just kind of watching wearing this like in a yellow dress.
Speaker 1: And I figured it was an irritat or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, well, I'd seen her quite a
Speaker 1: few times, and then at one point I thought, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna least say hi. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's she's always standing there watching me. I stopped them
Speaker 1: more probably thirty or forty feet away, asked, and got
Speaker 1: off and started walking through him. I got within about
Speaker 1: ten feet of where she just disappeared into the trees,
Speaker 1: didn't move, just like faded away. At that point I
Speaker 1: knew what I was looking at, But there there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of weird things going on over there. Just
Speaker 1: about two years ago, maybe maybe a year year and
Speaker 1: a half, some people finally bought the place I know
Speaker 1: it was really the story got because I had talked
Speaker 1: neighbors about it and asked them about it when we
Speaker 1: first moved in, and they said, no, you know, no
Speaker 1: one's ever lived there. The history that we they told
Speaker 1: us was that this pilot had bought it. I had recently
Speaker 1: gotten the worst. I guess this back in the sixties,
Speaker 1: maybe the early seventies on place and renovated it. Had
Speaker 1: it made up, you know, where he was going to
Speaker 1: live there, and he had a girlfriend and they were
Speaker 1: going to move into it, and then he got killed
Speaker 1: in a car and I guess the girlfriend inherited the
Speaker 1: place but never lived there, so it just sat unused
Speaker 1: for all these years. Then about a year or so back,
Speaker 1: she must have passed away, because the place got sold
Speaker 1: and started doing some renovations. And man, when they did,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what they were just there was all
Speaker 1: kinds of activity go on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nicole had reminded me, and a lot of it
Speaker 2: was coming to ask you to tell the story about
Speaker 2: the house that was having renovations. That must be it
Speaker 2: that you're in the middle of right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, they didn't live there when they were renovating.
Speaker 1: They would they would were redoing it, and they would
Speaker 1: come work for a few hours during the day and
Speaker 1: then leave. So they did that for about three months
Speaker 1: before anybody finally moved in and activity picked up big
Speaker 1: time over here. You know, they they knew there was
Speaker 1: a connection. I mean I I had connected with with her,
Speaker 1: and there's a couple of other things over there. We
Speaker 1: mutually knew that we existed, let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you've encountered this or not,
Speaker 1: but it's been my experience that when you run into
Speaker 1: a cognizant entity that that is not just an image
Speaker 1: that's you know, a video that's repeating itself, with something
Speaker 1: that's actually there. When they know that you know there,
Speaker 1: they will earn their attention towards you. They will continue
Speaker 1: to try to get your attention or I don't know,
Speaker 1: just in some cases, I think they're looking for help,
Speaker 1: and they are I should say, I shouldn't say I
Speaker 1: think they are. I know that help.
Speaker 2: There's a reason where they're trying to get your attention.
Speaker 1: Help.
Speaker 2: We've got some friends that just bought an old house
Speaker 2: in Connecticut, and the day they started renovations, the place
Speaker 2: went nuts. They've got a doorbell that's totally disconnected that
Speaker 2: that rings. They've heard knocks at the door, as Harry,
Speaker 2: they captured something on their doorbell camera. It looks like
Speaker 2: a snowstorm outside, but there's no wind blowing. It wasn't
Speaker 2: raining that night. It wasn't leaves. I don't know what
Speaker 2: it was. I showed it to a paranormalist friend of mine, Cisco,
Speaker 2: and she said, it's energy that they've opened up some
Speaker 2: kind of energy vortex there and all these things that
Speaker 2: are coming through. They're upset because the house is being
Speaker 2: messed with.
Speaker 1: Right fully believe it. We had some motion detector cameras
Speaker 1: outside our place for a while. I was kind of
Speaker 1: checking on some stuff and it still kills me. We
Speaker 1: My wife called me orc one night. Was just freaking
Speaker 1: out about these people that were in the yard. You know,
Speaker 1: they were around the house. There was this older couple.
Speaker 1: They were in the backyard, they were you know, all
Speaker 1: these She she'd seen these these shots and I got
Speaker 1: home and pulled them up and started looking at them
Speaker 1: and they were real faded. It wasn't there was no
Speaker 1: these were ghosts. It was clear to me that these
Speaker 1: were ghosts. She's like, no, you know how I figured
Speaker 1: maybe that it was just taking you know, that it
Speaker 1: was taking images or pictures every so often, so it
Speaker 1: only caught them, you know, small images of them. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not how it works. Yeah, okay, give me a
Speaker 1: second year. But uh, to my great horror and dismay,
Speaker 1: we had we lost the pictures we had. There was
Speaker 1: probably a doz really good ones, and uh they were
Speaker 1: we didn't save them. They were on whatever cloud this
Speaker 1: was with the service we were using. And uh, like
Speaker 1: a week later if we didn't say that they were
Speaker 1: gone and they went. So it's still I still got it. Still,
Speaker 1: it still bothers me a lot that we don't have those.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was an older couple, clear as day,
Speaker 1: just kind of looking around.
Speaker 2: It had been the.
Speaker 1: Yard was getting kind of bad. I'll have to say
Speaker 1: that our mower had died and I was I had
Speaker 1: I had hired a service to come in. They hadn't
Speaker 1: been there for about two weeks and the yard was
Speaker 1: getting looking really bad. And honestly, these people were standing
Speaker 1: out and they are looking at the grass and stuff,
Speaker 1: looking like, hmm, what's wrong.
Speaker 2: With these people?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, why aren't they bowing the grass they were.
Speaker 1: They looked like they were not happy with us. But
Speaker 1: that was freaky that that was a freaky issue too.
Speaker 1: We've had all kinds of weird things going on around here.
Speaker 1: There's a there'sn't always something that I'm not going to
Speaker 1: really go into here that has not been good. But
Speaker 1: it's been around for several years, and I think the
Speaker 1: result of we We had this old mirror that priest's mom,
Speaker 1: my wife's mom had given us years back when she
Speaker 1: passed away, and I'm not sure where she got it.
Speaker 1: It was just like a piece of mirror, great big
Speaker 1: thing to of those people that went to all kinds
Speaker 1: of auctions and you know, sales and collected like everything
Speaker 1: in the world. But we had one night, it was
Speaker 1: on a weekend. I was I had spent the night
Speaker 1: out in the man cave kind of doing some stuff,
Speaker 1: and she came out and spent that night out there.
Speaker 1: When we came in the next morning, and that mirror
Speaker 1: was just all over the floor, just completely shattered into
Speaker 1: just a million pieces. I don't know if the cat's
Speaker 1: knocked it off or what, but as soon as that happened,
Speaker 1: things geared up in this house, and not in a
Speaker 1: good way, and it's it's subsided quite a bit over
Speaker 1: the last few years. I've kind of learned how to
Speaker 1: deal with it. I will say, take its power, but
Speaker 1: it's it's still here. And I've tried everything in the
Speaker 1: world to get this thing gone. Miss it's not leaving.
Speaker 1: It's not so bad right now. Though, as I say,
Speaker 1: I've learned how to I think I've learned how to
Speaker 1: deal with it. How it's it's not been an issue
Speaker 1: for quite a while.
Speaker 2: But yeah, caused all kinds of a check there. It
Speaker 2: sounds like saving a sage or smudge or I lived
Speaker 2: in a place one time where there was words like
Speaker 2: bubbling up out of the paint in the bathroom, and
Speaker 2: I put, at a pastor's recommendation, I put the Bible
Speaker 2: on a laptop and set that in there and let
Speaker 2: that play twenty four hours a day. And that seemed
Speaker 2: to quiet and down, fighting it down whatever it was.
Speaker 2: But that was a weird place as an old house
Speaker 2: in Portland and probably from the played eighteen hundreds early
Speaker 2: nineteen I tried.
Speaker 1: I've tried the sage smudge. I've where I'm the property
Speaker 1: of the house, so I turned all that stuff there
Speaker 1: was one, one particular time that really got me. This
Speaker 1: is when it was going really strong. I'd come home
Speaker 1: from work, and my son went to school. My wife
Speaker 1: headed off to work, so I was alone in the house.
Speaker 1: I went into the bathroom and got in a shower.
Speaker 1: Taking a shower. You know, I've got like one of
Speaker 1: those glass crystal life kind of sliding doors that you
Speaker 1: know you can't see through real well, but you can
Speaker 1: see through. I was washing my hair, rinsed my face off,
Speaker 1: opened my eyes, started to turn around and there was
Speaker 1: clear as a bell, this woman standing right on the
Speaker 1: other side of the glass, staring right at me. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you, I screamed like a little girl.
Speaker 1: I probably jumped two feet airs, let out a scream,
Speaker 1: threw my head back under the water that washed the
Speaker 1: rest of the soap out of my face, opened my
Speaker 1: eyes and there was nothing there. That well, it's free. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like those like hello, you know, turn around
Speaker 1: the corner and there's something, or you're go into the
Speaker 1: bathroom in the middle of the night and look up
Speaker 1: and there's something behind you in the mirror. That's that's
Speaker 1: not fun. That's never fun. I I don't know. We
Speaker 1: as I say it hasn't been so bad lately. I
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to do, but it almost I have
Speaker 1: to say. They draw their power by you and your emotions.
Speaker 1: Your emotions are definitely an energy drain for them that
Speaker 1: they pull from it. The more you can ignore it
Speaker 1: or step away from it and not get emotionally involved
Speaker 1: with what's happening, last power they have. I firmly hear that.
Speaker 1: That's that's probably been my saving grace here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and fear is such a base human emotions, and
Speaker 2: I think they feed up that. That's why they they
Speaker 2: try to scare you. There's a Clive Barker story. It's
Speaker 2: in Books of Blood. I think it's called the Demon
Speaker 2: and uh it was a pixel story, but he talked
Speaker 2: about an investation for this thing. Tried every way in
Speaker 2: the world to the devil this guy and get his
Speaker 2: attentions up, and he just ignored it, and that that
Speaker 2: drove the demon crazy.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That that's that's pretty much my that's my my philosophy
Speaker 1: or my my workings of it. Sometimes I'll be sitting
Speaker 1: here at night you all my days off, I'll be
Speaker 1: watching a movie at night and not I'll see see
Speaker 1: her clear as a bell, walk by the doorway, you know,
Speaker 1: the open hallway, and I just it's I see it
Speaker 1: on the corner of my eye, and that's what stays.
Speaker 1: I'll just sit there and start reciting something in my
Speaker 1: head or you know, plants, music or doing something just
Speaker 1: totally completely ignore it and it seems to fade quickly.
Speaker 1: I've got a few cats around the house too, and
Speaker 1: they they're really good at letting you know when something's
Speaker 1: something's up. You know, as well as you're feeling that
Speaker 1: that energy that's starting the electrical starts, letting you know
Speaker 1: something's there. The cats are really good at letting you
Speaker 1: know there's something, there's something coming. You know. They'll come
Speaker 1: over and start, you know, almost like protecting you, like
Speaker 1: you know, walking around your feet, standing, jumping up in
Speaker 1: your lap, kind of looking off and in a certain
Speaker 1: directions and you know you know something's there. Yeah they're good,
Speaker 1: a little watchdog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they are. Then I've seen that before where
Speaker 2: they were watching something that you can't see, but there's
Speaker 2: definitely something going on that they're tuned into. And now
Speaker 2: I've had experiences with the animals that have passed on.
Speaker 2: I went and spent the night with a friend of
Speaker 2: mine one time, and I slept in the spare bedroom
Speaker 2: and I felt the cat come in, hop up on
Speaker 2: the bed and curl up down at my feet. And
Speaker 2: the next morning I got up, he was cooking breakfast
Speaker 2: for us, and I said, if you were looking for
Speaker 2: your cat last night, it came in the the spare
Speaker 2: room with me and slept in there. And he's like, stave,
Speaker 2: he said, that cat's been dead for three years. He said,
Speaker 2: But but I feel the same thing, he said, I
Speaker 2: feel it, per I feel it get on the bed,
Speaker 2: I feel it brush up against my leg in the darkness.
Speaker 2: He said, there is no cat here.
Speaker 3: Anymore, at least not in it's actual form. You you
Speaker 3: ever had any experience with the animal ghosts? Oh, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: exactly that I've got.
Speaker 1: I've got. I've lost a lot of cats through the years.
Speaker 1: I'm here in some other spots and there there's definitely
Speaker 1: a couple of them rooming around here. I'll get that
Speaker 1: exact intimation. I'll be, you know, walking through the house
Speaker 1: at night or anytime during the day, and you're sitting there,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'll feel one of them, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of rushing against my ankles or something. I'll reach
Speaker 1: down to bed thinking it's that. I'm thinking it's one
Speaker 1: of the few that I have here, and there's nothing there.
Speaker 1: I look over and my cats are sleeping on the
Speaker 1: sofa over there or something, and it's like okay, and
Speaker 1: on the bed and I do. You'll you'll feel them
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll be laying there and you'll feel them jump
Speaker 1: up and then just curl up and even actually hear
Speaker 1: the per I've heard that that purfore And no, there's nothing.
Speaker 1: There's nothing there. There's you know, nothing, nothing physical. And
Speaker 1: I want to lead you know there, you're your family.
Speaker 1: They're uh there. They love you and you love them,
Speaker 1: and they're there for you and they stick around.
Speaker 2: Now there. There's a couple other stories of yours that
Speaker 2: I have narrated that have gotten just a tremendous response,
Speaker 2: and not only is it the tale, but the way
Speaker 2: it's written. You're a fantastic writer. And speaking of you
Speaker 2: and I are going to be doing a book together
Speaker 2: here shortly. I'm looking forward to that collaboration. But one
Speaker 2: of the most popular stories ever, as am I thirteen
Speaker 2: past Midnight, is the story of Jimmy. You want to
Speaker 2: touch on that one, just briefly for a radio audience here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd be I'd be happy to do. And thank
Speaker 1: you for those kind words. I I I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I uh. Well, when I write, I really try to.
Speaker 1: It's it's almost like a picture. I try to. I
Speaker 1: really try to remember everything that happened in every moment
Speaker 1: of those encounters, and it's almost like painting a picture.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to lay everything out and let let you
Speaker 1: see the the surrounding area and what's you know what
Speaker 1: I want you to put, put you in my spot.
Speaker 1: And I try my best to do that. And it's
Speaker 1: easy to do to a point because I those encounters
Speaker 1: are they stayed with you. Everything is so clear. I
Speaker 1: mean you can remember everything from you know, what you
Speaker 1: had for lunch, to the feeling in the air, the
Speaker 1: color of the leaves, everything around you. Jimmy, Jimmy was
Speaker 1: a special guy when I was When I was really young,
Speaker 1: I was just out of out of high school. I
Speaker 1: started working for this photo lab down in Cincinnati, and
Speaker 1: I was I was doing everything for him, but mainly
Speaker 1: running deliveries. At first, we had a lot of commercial
Speaker 1: accounts downtown, so I was always running downtown. We we
Speaker 1: were out of Walnut Hills to maybe five miles out
Speaker 1: of down, but I'd be running downtown two three times
Speaker 1: a day. Well, there was one building on Fifth Street
Speaker 1: that I used to go to and I remember going in.
Speaker 1: First time I went in there was when I walked
Speaker 1: in the bottom and went down there and there was
Speaker 1: there was an old elevator. One of the old hands
Speaker 1: operated elevators and I experienced those before. There was one
Speaker 1: over on the other town that I dealt with that
Speaker 1: he was walking in. You had to run it by yourself,
Speaker 1: which was kind of fun actually, you know, you try
Speaker 1: to get that. You started and pull the lever down.
Speaker 1: It would go up, and you know, pull it back
Speaker 1: and it would stop and back and forth, back and
Speaker 1: forth until I finally got into a point I could
Speaker 1: step out of it. But this one had an operator.
Speaker 1: There was this old guy and his name was Jimmy,
Speaker 1: and he had been in that place for many, many years.
Speaker 1: He started working there as a kid back in maybe
Speaker 1: at thirties, I guess, and he was an old man
Speaker 1: at this point, but big, jovial, nice guy. The elevator
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was open in the front
Speaker 1: except for like a half door. It was like a
Speaker 1: red crushed the velvet everywhere in this elevator. But you
Speaker 1: almost couldn't see the the walls because of everything that
Speaker 1: was in there Jimmy had. It was like his personal
Speaker 1: trying he had collected. He had photographs and pins and
Speaker 1: buttons and ribbons and and everything in the world you
Speaker 1: could imagine just into the walls, ceiling, everything in that
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was amazing into that Uh walked in, introduced himself
Speaker 1: and told me who he was and asked me where
Speaker 1: I needed to go, and I said, you know, I
Speaker 1: need to go up to the fifth floor. He invited
Speaker 1: me in, started talking to me and started showing me
Speaker 1: some of the things and in his UH, in his elevator,
Speaker 1: in his little world, just the nicest guy you'd ever
Speaker 1: wanted me. And you know, we'd get to the fifth floor.
Speaker 1: He opened the door for me and tell me, showed
Speaker 1: me where to go, and I'd head down there, do
Speaker 1: my business, you know, hand off my stuff, come back
Speaker 1: and have another conversation with me on the way down.
Speaker 1: And I just really liked him. It was just a
Speaker 1: really really nice person of wy the ovial individual through
Speaker 1: the year or so when I was down there, he'd
Speaker 1: you know, I'd come back every other week or so,
Speaker 1: and you know, he would always regal me with with
Speaker 1: stories about the things in his elevator. I remember he
Speaker 1: had a picture of him with one of the Reds pictures.
Speaker 1: Got the name escapes me right now, but he had
Speaker 1: thrown back to back no hitters for the Reds Maloney,
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, it's been a while, but
Speaker 1: it was a picture of Jimmy and younger standing with him,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was signed, and he was telling
Speaker 1: me all about that. And he had other pictures of
Speaker 1: of him with Pete Rose and you know, Johnny Bench
Speaker 1: and just other people. And he loved his Reds well,
Speaker 1: had all of red stuff from there. He was a
Speaker 1: big Reds as I was too, and still am. But
Speaker 1: he was very proud of everything in there. I remember
Speaker 1: he had to hate one of the things. He had
Speaker 1: a picture of of him at one of the at
Speaker 1: the World Fare in Chicago, and I forget the year,
Speaker 1: but I remember the picture was like a big tire.
Speaker 1: It looked like great, big, like videer tire or something,
Speaker 1: but it was a ferris wheel. And he told me
Speaker 1: he got to ride on that and it was it
Speaker 1: was really cool. It was like a postcard anyway, So
Speaker 1: got to know him. He would drop me off. Every
Speaker 1: every time I would get up on the floor, I'd
Speaker 1: go out the door. I'd go out the elevator and
Speaker 1: turn left and head down toward what was a big
Speaker 1: There's a huge glass window at the end of the
Speaker 1: of the hallway with a little bench and an old
Speaker 1: radiator there. Well, the door I went was on the left,
Speaker 1: right before you got to the window, probably hand feet
Speaker 1: away from it. And every time I go i'd hit
Speaker 1: in the hallway. Jimmy'd say that he had told me.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, be careful when you go down there,
Speaker 1: stay away from the window. And h He'd say, it's
Speaker 1: not safe. Okay, you know, So I'd go down. I'd
Speaker 1: go into the office and do my thing and come out,
Speaker 1: head back down, and you know, and down we go.
Speaker 1: Over the the months and in the year, we got
Speaker 1: to know each other and have discussions. Every single time
Speaker 1: I walk out of that elevator on the fifth floor,
Speaker 1: he would say, stay away from that window. It's not safe. Well,
Speaker 1: there was one particular day going down there. It was
Speaker 1: late in the afternoon raining, parential rain coming down and
Speaker 1: find a place to park in Cincinnati's not easy sometimes,
Speaker 1: especially during the day. You got to park blocks and
Speaker 1: blocks away. You have to drive around and start trying.
Speaker 1: You can just pull in and park real quick and
Speaker 1: then just run to where you go. So I ended
Speaker 1: up parking a couple of blocks away, I think, and
Speaker 1: I took off rain through the rain, got through the rain,
Speaker 1: and you know, ducked underneath all the aunings as I could.
Speaker 1: Got to the building and uh when and Jimmy was
Speaker 1: there and uh, you know, said hello. And as you
Speaker 1: went into the elevator, it was actually there was like
Speaker 1: a snack bar behind you that where they sold you know,
Speaker 1: cigarettes and candy and whatever. It was like a big
Speaker 1: high bar and there was occasionally there was a guy
Speaker 1: standing back there, but I never really got to know
Speaker 1: him at the time because I was in and out.
Speaker 1: Jimmy was like the only one I really talked to. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I went down there and and got in the elevator
Speaker 1: and hided Jimmy, you know, waters and I've got I'm
Speaker 1: soaking wet. He just automatically, you know, shuts the door
Speaker 1: and brings me up to the fifth floor. He knows
Speaker 1: where I needed to go, asking me how I was,
Speaker 1: and uh, he would always wait for me as as
Speaker 1: we would get out of you know, i'd get out
Speaker 1: of the elevator and head down there and he would
Speaker 1: just wait there for me to get my business done
Speaker 1: and come back and want to committed. Well. On that day,
Speaker 1: and we got to the top and I stepped out
Speaker 1: and there was another a ding, like a you know,
Speaker 1: from the elevator that went off, and Jimmy stepped back
Speaker 1: in and kind of looked up something. There were like
Speaker 1: buttons on the the elevator inside, and he said, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got to go. He said, that's somebody somebody else
Speaker 1: needing needing me. I'll be right back. So he got in,
Speaker 1: closed the door and took off, and wow, I'm going
Speaker 1: chills on the back of the end about this. I
Speaker 1: went down and went in and got rid of my
Speaker 1: you know package, and I came out and Jimmy still
Speaker 1: went there. So I was kind of hanging out and
Speaker 1: went and I walked over toward the window kind of
Speaker 1: carefully because I know it wasn't safe. I got there
Speaker 1: and there was like, you know, there's one of the old, big,
Speaker 1: old radiator, you know, like they used to have to
Speaker 1: heat things. I don't think it was even in use
Speaker 1: at that point, but it was more of a decoration probably,
Speaker 1: but it was, you know, it was still there, big
Speaker 1: wooden't bench sitting next to it, and then this huge
Speaker 1: glass window, and I kind of got up to it
Speaker 1: and I'm looking out and I'm watching the rain and
Speaker 1: you know, seeing the city and people are running around,
Speaker 1: cars going by down below. Brain was just coming down
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at this window. I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: what's not safe about it? Because it seems pretty solid.
Speaker 1: There's no way to open it. It was just solid black,
Speaker 1: like sealed into the into the side of the wall. Well,
Speaker 1: I looked down and there was another hallway that went
Speaker 1: on down to the right, so I kind of walked
Speaker 1: down that a little ways and looked there was another
Speaker 1: officer too down there, but nothing, nothing going on, no
Speaker 1: one in the hallway. So I walked back up and
Speaker 1: again looked out the window. Nothing, you know, just raining
Speaker 1: And thought to myself, that's it's kind of weird. I
Speaker 1: wonder why he always says it's not safe. And I
Speaker 1: started to kind of slowly walk back toward the elevator.
Speaker 1: And suddenly there was there was a bright light burst
Speaker 1: of lightning, followed by a crack, a really loud crack,
Speaker 1: and right after the flash hit, I turned around to
Speaker 1: look toward the window. Wow, it's yeah, I'm getting the chills,
Speaker 1: clear as a bell. I can see it now as
Speaker 1: clearly as I could see it then.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like that's the way I do with
Speaker 2: some of my especially my back eyed kids encounter I
Speaker 2: relived that every time I tell it. It's almost like
Speaker 2: ptsd WI.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I looked down. I turned around and
Speaker 1: there was a girl standing then, kind of with her
Speaker 1: knees bent on that bench, wearing blue dress, looked like
Speaker 1: an older blue dress, and she looked at me and
Speaker 1: looked me dead in the eye. I mean I we
Speaker 1: locked eyes, and she she had this horrible, frightened look
Speaker 1: on her face, and she turned her head and went
Speaker 1: out that window. And I was frozen for maybe a second,
Speaker 1: and then I went running toward it. And when I
Speaker 1: got to the window, I actually threw my head toward
Speaker 1: it because I wanted I was trying to look out,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have this in the story, but I
Speaker 1: slung my head against that glass. Man, it knocked me.
Speaker 1: I hit it so hard. There was no way anybody
Speaker 1: could go through that glass. There was no way anybody
Speaker 1: went out that window. It was solid. I mean it
Speaker 1: was solid. It was like a double pane of solid,
Speaker 1: thick glass. I had said before, and I still think
Speaker 1: that if I had had a cinder block, I could
Speaker 1: have thrown it at that window and it probably wouldn't broke.
Speaker 1: And there was nothing. He wasn't down there. There was
Speaker 1: I have. I was just in shock, complete shock, and
Speaker 1: I was freaking out, trying to figure out what what
Speaker 1: do I do?
Speaker 2: What do I do?
Speaker 1: Would she go? What happened? And about that time I
Speaker 1: heard this thing behind me, And before I could turn around,
Speaker 1: I heard Jimmy running down that hallway. I didn't know
Speaker 1: a man that they could ever move his fabo. Next
Speaker 1: thing I knew, he had his hand on my shoulder
Speaker 1: and was pulling me back toward that elevator. Du pulled
Speaker 1: me into it, and I'm just just I don't remember
Speaker 1: what exactly if I said anything at that point, but
Speaker 1: he pulled me back in, shut the door, hit the
Speaker 1: hit the lever to go towards the bottom, and then
Speaker 1: just started shaking on me, shaking my shoulder going Terry.
Speaker 1: He just going, hey, hey, hey, you know, and about
Speaker 1: halfway down, I think he stopped. He just stopped it
Speaker 1: in the middle of some floors. And it was about
Speaker 1: that time that I came back to my senses. It
Speaker 1: was like I suddenly I was just able to talk
Speaker 1: and everything, and I started I started telling him really fast,
Speaker 1: just whether it was a girl up there and somebody
Speaker 1: jump have the window. Remember now, I'm just going and going,
Speaker 1: and he's going, Terry carry, It's okay, it's great, Terry stop,
Speaker 1: It's okay, You're okay. I know what you saw. And
Speaker 1: I remember him calling Terry. I brought me back to
Speaker 1: it more than anything else because he never called me
Speaker 1: my name. He always called me kid. It's always hey, kid,
Speaker 1: you know, see you later.
Speaker 2: Kid.
Speaker 1: Never ever had called me why my first name? And
Speaker 1: that that stopped me. And I looked up at him
Speaker 1: and he goes, I know what you saw. You saw, Gladys,
Speaker 1: didn't you? And I think I said, like what? And
Speaker 1: at that point he kind of he turned around and
Speaker 1: there was a little bench that was in that elevator
Speaker 1: with him. I guess we're you know, we'd sit down
Speaker 1: and relax. Well, he lifted the lid. He had like
Speaker 1: a little cushion, and he lifted up the lid and
Speaker 1: he pulled out this little book, a little leather book,
Speaker 1: and he reached inside it and he pulled out this
Speaker 1: picture and he handed it to me. I remember taking
Speaker 1: I ugh, I can remember taking it. And it was
Speaker 1: it was one of those old pictures that had like
Speaker 1: scalloped edges all the way around it, and it was
Speaker 1: worn out. It was really warm, you could tell you could.
Speaker 1: You could almost it was almost hard to see because
Speaker 1: you could tell it had just been handled so much
Speaker 1: over the years. And there was that girl, the girl
Speaker 1: that I had seen go out that window was in
Speaker 1: that picture, big smile on her face, just just looking
Speaker 1: at me. And that was when Jimmy told me about Gladys.
Speaker 1: He told me back back during World War she should
Speaker 1: grow in working there for for a little while, and
Speaker 1: they'd gotten to be pretty good friends. I Gladys had
Speaker 1: recently gotten married and World War Two I started and
Speaker 1: was in it. It was in its in its throws
Speaker 1: for us. Her husband. I'm not sure at this point
Speaker 1: if he'd gotten drafted or listened. I think he got
Speaker 1: drafted and went overseas well, there was a day when
Speaker 1: Jimmy was working, and he said it was a day
Speaker 1: very much like that day. It was raining and really
Speaker 1: dark for me out. I guess Gladys had gotten word
Speaker 1: either earlier that day or the night before, that her
Speaker 1: husband would not be coming home, that he had he
Speaker 1: had lost his life somewhere on a battlefield in Europe
Speaker 1: time during the day before any without anyone knowing. I
Speaker 1: guess she had went out into the hallway, went to
Speaker 1: that window, and before anybody could stop her, she jumped
Speaker 1: out and took her own life. I guess she couldn't live.
Speaker 1: She couldn't live with the fact that he would be
Speaker 1: coming home. As I said, Jimmy was working there that day.
Speaker 1: She hit the pavement, didn't die right away. I guess
Speaker 1: they went out and they tried to take care of her.
Speaker 2: But before.
Speaker 1: Medical services could arrive at the time, she she died
Speaker 1: there right there on the sidewalk. It was Jimmy, you could.
Speaker 1: I could tell it affected Jimmy a lot. I really
Speaker 1: think he was. He was in love with her to
Speaker 1: some degree. But he said, over the years, there are
Speaker 1: people have seen exactly that same thing, and he had
Speaker 1: seen it. He had seen her quite a bit. And
Speaker 1: he was okay with that, with seeing her not seeing
Speaker 1: her go out the window obviously, but yeah, that uh,
Speaker 1: that that was something that really that hit me. Another
Speaker 1: kind of weird thing in there. He he always well,
Speaker 1: I'm not a weird thing, but a little thing. He always, yeah,
Speaker 1: would give me offer me a butter Scotch life saver
Speaker 1: when I'd like i'd leave, you always go here, you know,
Speaker 1: have one, pop one and say thanks. You know, that
Speaker 1: day we got to the bottom, he you know, he
Speaker 1: told me the story. He put the put the back
Speaker 1: and to its case and back into the chair, and
Speaker 1: uh kind of tapped me on the on the back
Speaker 1: and said you'll be okay. You're you're all right, aren't you?
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I'm I'm fine, said all right. Well,
Speaker 1: he started the elevator up when we got to the
Speaker 1: bottom and I started the head out and he stopped
Speaker 1: me and he handed me a about a half a
Speaker 1: roll of letter Scott's life savers. You guys here have
Speaker 1: one to have these, so thanks, and he goes they
Speaker 1: were her favorites too. I'm I think I'm starting to
Speaker 1: tear here now myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and still to this day not only what you saw,
Speaker 2: but just the relationships you had with me. But what
Speaker 2: a wonderful memory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and there was more. There was more to
Speaker 1: it than that, you know. I I went I got
Speaker 1: back to the car, I headed back to work, and
Speaker 1: it was towards the end of the day. I went
Speaker 1: in and I didn't say anything to anybody. Everybody there
Speaker 1: were only a couple of people were left anyway, if
Speaker 1: that's true. Over the next few months I went down,
Speaker 1: I kept going back down. Didn't he here again, didn't
Speaker 1: ever have a feeling like she was there nearby. But
Speaker 1: one time I went down, I mentioned something about it.
Speaker 1: There was a place that he stopped for lunch called
Speaker 1: a Cropolis Chili down in Clifton, and I mentioned to
Speaker 1: Jimmy that, you know, I'd been there. He said something about,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, he loved those the beef and eggs. He
Speaker 1: loved the beef and eggs, which I which was my favorite, said, oh,
Speaker 1: those are the best in the world. Well, after that,
Speaker 1: I every time I knew I was going to go
Speaker 1: down there, I would stop at a Croplis and get
Speaker 1: him a beef and egg and a Bill pickle. He
Speaker 1: always liked to Bill pickle too, and I brought that
Speaker 1: to him and I gave it to him the first time.
Speaker 1: He was just it was beside himself. Tried to pay
Speaker 1: him for it, and I'm like, no, no, nope, this
Speaker 1: is this is a gift for your friend. So every
Speaker 1: time after that when i'd go down, i'd do the
Speaker 1: same thing when I could, you know, if I had
Speaker 1: the cash, i'd stop and pick it up bring it
Speaker 1: to him. Well, probably six months, eight months maybe after that,
Speaker 1: came a day that you know, I hadn't been down there,
Speaker 1: and maybe a couple of weeks made them and I
Speaker 1: had a delivery down there. I start cropolis, had the cash,
Speaker 1: picked up a beef and egg and he'll pick the
Speaker 1: one headed down toward the street. Well, I went in
Speaker 1: and went in and as soon as he went in
Speaker 1: the door or something felt something felt wrong, something felt different.
Speaker 1: Nobody was in the lobby, which is typical. But I
Speaker 1: walked down and I passed a little snack bar and
Speaker 1: as I did, I turned to go into the elevator
Speaker 1: and I had to shock on my life.
Speaker 2: Hit me.
Speaker 1: There the elevator was sitting there and it had like.
Speaker 2: Like a.
Speaker 1: Like an old uh kind of one of those old
Speaker 1: ropes like you had a theater, one of the old
Speaker 1: theaters they should be going in, and it kind of
Speaker 1: direct you in a que line. It was over the
Speaker 1: front of the door, and there was a sign that
Speaker 1: said it was out of service. And I looked into
Speaker 1: the elevator and it was. It was absolutely devoid of
Speaker 1: every button, picture, ribbon, everything. It was just an empty
Speaker 1: elevator and empty meaning no dream. And I stood there
Speaker 1: for a minute just looking at it, and I heard
Speaker 1: the noise of this noise behind me and the snack bar,
Speaker 1: and I turned around and this gentleman who I'd seen
Speaker 1: many times before stand there and he informed me Jimmy
Speaker 1: had passed away just a week or two before, and
Speaker 1: the owners of the building decided that they weren't going
Speaker 1: to they were just going to shut down the ll
Speaker 1: later and make everybody use the stairs because they weren't
Speaker 1: gonna they were going to continue continue running it. That
Speaker 1: was probably a safety hazard anyway, but they, you know,
Speaker 1: they they faught enough of Jimmy that they continued and
Speaker 1: you know, continued his job while he was until he
Speaker 1: wasn't there anymore. So I remember turning to the right
Speaker 1: and walking down to the stairwell, which I'd never used,
Speaker 1: walked up the stairs and went and delivered my package
Speaker 1: and came back down. Started thinking about, you know, all
Speaker 1: the conversations, all the time that had Jimmy, and all
Speaker 1: the things I didn't get to talk to him about.
Speaker 1: Got to the bottom, stopped at the elevator again and
Speaker 1: just kind of looked in. I was thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and the guy behind me said, you know, yeah, we
Speaker 1: miss him too. He was saying, like he's a part
Speaker 1: of us now. And I started to walk away, and
Speaker 1: I realized I still had that sandwich in my hand,
Speaker 1: so I turned around and walked back up to the bar,
Speaker 1: and I stuck my hand out and I said, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Terry, and I took his hand, you know, and
Speaker 1: shook and shook it, and I remember he took took
Speaker 1: my hand in both his hands and kind of shook
Speaker 1: me back and he said, I know. He said, I
Speaker 1: know who you are. Here was my name's Frank, And
Speaker 1: I said here and I gave him and said this
Speaker 1: is for you, and he said thanks, you know, And
Speaker 1: I turned around to just walk walk off, and he
Speaker 1: stopped me and he said live and he kind of
Speaker 1: reached behind the counter and he came up with a
Speaker 1: box and it was an old cane box. It was
Speaker 1: all ripped open and there were probably five or six
Speaker 1: rolls of butterscotch life savers, and he said, here, these
Speaker 1: are from you. They're from Jimmy. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: getting to my car and how I got there, how
Speaker 1: long it took me, you know, I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just remember kind of waking up, sitting in my
Speaker 1: car and just Brian thinking about it, you know it
Speaker 1: what really hit me, which is really odd. I thought
Speaker 1: it was out at the time.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know Jimmy's last name. I never asked him
Speaker 1: his last name. I didn't know. I just knew he
Speaker 1: was Jimmy. That bothered me, still bothers me at the point.
Speaker 1: Drove back to work at some point, you know, got
Speaker 1: there in one of my bosses. I had two bosses,
Speaker 1: Jim and Jim, instant individuals. I could tell all kinds
Speaker 1: of stories just about them. But one of the gym's
Speaker 1: was the only one still there. And I walked into
Speaker 1: the into the place and he was just kind of
Speaker 1: wandering around the building. You know, there's a different through
Speaker 1: the hallway and just trying to I don't know, just
Speaker 1: trying to come to terms with everything that had happened.
Speaker 1: And jim was sitting in his office with the door open,
Speaker 1: and I went as I went by, yelled, hey, Harry,
Speaker 1: come here, okay, and I walked in, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm standing there and did you get on all the
Speaker 1: lovers and everything? I said, yeah, yeah, everything's fine, and
Speaker 1: he at that point he noticed I had I was
Speaker 1: still carrying this box of life savers. He said, you
Speaker 1: must have seen Jimmy, and he kind of reached out
Speaker 1: his hand as if he wanted one. So I, you know,
Speaker 1: killed one off and gave it to him and dropped
Speaker 1: down the seat next to him, and he was asking
Speaker 1: me some questions about Jimmy. But did he show you
Speaker 1: this picture? Did he show you that picture? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, you know, we were talking about he
Speaker 1: was talking about what a good guy and that he
Speaker 1: known him for years down there, and uh. And then
Speaker 1: I told jim what happened, and we were both, you know,
Speaker 1: we're both put out, it upset, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: We we just talked a little bit about some of them.
Speaker 1: Jimmy had shoonas and everything, and I even asked him
Speaker 1: if he knew what Jimmy's last name was, and he
Speaker 1: said he did, but he'd known him for years and
Speaker 1: he was such a good guy. So I got ready
Speaker 1: to go and I reached out and I left one
Speaker 1: of the rolls of Savers on his desk, and I
Speaker 1: started to walk out, and he started to unloining the
Speaker 1: old you know string around it. I remember when I
Speaker 1: got after the door, he got Harry turned around. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's safe. Never heard him say those words before, never
Speaker 1: heard him again, and he just kind of giggled, kind
Speaker 1: of laughed and popped out, popped in his life savers
Speaker 1: in his mouth, and went back to what he was
Speaker 1: doing with a big his face. Yeah, Jimmy was a
Speaker 1: special guy. He really was a long time. For three
Speaker 1: times chat I went down, I'd still do the sandwich
Speaker 1: ritual and by a sandwich and bring it down to Frank.
Speaker 1: The third time, I think maybe third, maybe fourth time
Speaker 1: I had done it, Frank told me, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the gesture, but I'm not really a
Speaker 1: beef and egg guy. I don't really don't really that.
Speaker 1: He said. He's more ham and cheese, dude. So after
Speaker 1: that I brought him ham and cheese. When I came
Speaker 1: down there, he told me the story. He said, you
Speaker 1: know the first time you gave me that sandwich. When
Speaker 1: I left, he said, he opened up. You know, they're
Speaker 1: wrapped in sulphane. He'd pulled the cellphone off and he
Speaker 1: sat it there on the counter and kind of looked
Speaker 1: at it and he said he just couldn't eat it.
Speaker 1: He said, he just he knew it wasn't for him,
Speaker 1: that it was for Jimmy. It was Jimmy sandwich, and
Speaker 1: he just didn't feel right eating it. So he said
Speaker 1: he wrapped it back up really carefully in the cell phane,
Speaker 1: put it back in the brown paper bag, rolled it
Speaker 1: back up, and just set it down behind the counter. Well,
Speaker 1: Frank Frank opened closed that building at night in the morning.
Speaker 1: At night, he was like the first guy in, the
Speaker 1: last guy out. The whole office buildings. Nobody lived there.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, he would he would open
Speaker 1: it up. He'd get smack bar going and everything, and
Speaker 1: then people would start showing up. Well, as he left
Speaker 1: that first night, he said he was just getting to
Speaker 1: leave and he thought, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give that same, I'm gonna put that sandwich in the elevator,
Speaker 1: And he said he went behind the counter and got
Speaker 1: the bag and just set it on the bench inside
Speaker 1: the elevator. Kind of laughed a little bit, and he
Speaker 1: went home. Said he got back the next morning. He's
Speaker 1: the first guy in no cleaning cruise or anything like that, said,
Speaker 1: he got he got in, he started everything up, got
Speaker 1: about his business, and he said, maybe an hour or
Speaker 1: so into it, maybe two hours in after dinner, he thought,
Speaker 1: he's remembered that he put that sandwich in there. He thought,
Speaker 1: you know, I better get that out of there before
Speaker 1: it spoils and get in to it or whatever. So
Speaker 1: he walked around the counter, went to the elevator, reached in,
Speaker 1: and there was no bag to be found.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 1: He said. He looked everywhere, he looked in the garbage cans,
Speaker 1: he looked everywhere in the place. The bag was gone.
Speaker 1: The next two times I brought him the sandwiches, he said,
Speaker 1: he did the exact same thing with the exact same
Speaker 1: result every time. And when he was telling me about
Speaker 1: we both kind of started laughing about it, and I
Speaker 1: said something about, well, maybe I'd continue to bring beef
Speaker 1: and eggs down because I didn't want to offend Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was still enjoying, you know, the meal. And
Speaker 1: I did that one last time after that, and soon
Speaker 1: after that I left. I left the business. The two
Speaker 1: gyms broke up their business and went their separate ways,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, and that was it. I never never went back.
Speaker 1: I never found out, if you know, Jimmy accepted my
Speaker 1: final offer in the elevator. But I think he did.
Speaker 1: I in my mind he did he did, So that's it.
Speaker 2: That's what I like to think that he was enjoying
Speaker 2: that beef and egg sand which with dill pickle in
Speaker 2: the afterlife. Now, I do have one question, and you
Speaker 2: may not know the answer to this, but what happened
Speaker 2: to all the things that Jimmy had decorated the elevator
Speaker 2: with all that infan there, all those photos and things.
Speaker 2: Do you know what became of that?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, And that is like one of
Speaker 1: the biggest regrets in my life. I really really, if
Speaker 1: I could, if I had a time machine, one of
Speaker 1: the things I would do is to go back and
Speaker 1: ask that, you know, find the owners or fast Frank,
Speaker 1: you know what happened to all that Jimmy was.
Speaker 2: Take it down and throw it in the garden. I
Speaker 2: mean that was literally Jimmy's live blustered on those walls.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I would, I would. I can't tell you
Speaker 1: what I'd give for just one of those items that
Speaker 1: show you just to have that, yeah, oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that would have been fantastic. But honestly, just just one thing,
Speaker 1: just one thing. Yeah, probably wouldn't have been the picture
Speaker 1: of Gladys, but maybe.
Speaker 2: But you never know if it was the photo of
Speaker 2: Gladys because you had that experience. Now, I'm curious. Does
Speaker 2: that building still stand in Cincinnati? You said it was
Speaker 2: like an one of those old Art Deco buildings of
Speaker 2: the marble hallways.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I've
Speaker 1: not been downtown in many years. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: construction area. I would not be surprised if that's If
Speaker 1: that's I need to go down, I really that's one
Speaker 1: of those things like the Park.
Speaker 2: Apartment building or for some cookie cutter bs, if they
Speaker 2: like to tear those whole beautiful places down and then
Speaker 2: replace them with that's that's such a great story. I
Speaker 2: mean it's creepy. Yeah, it's heartwarm. I mean, you hit
Speaker 2: all the bases on that one, my friend, Well, thank you.
Speaker 1: I it's you know, it's I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: Jimmy's story, not mine. Yeah, he was. I hope. I
Speaker 1: hope to see him again someday. I hope you read him,
Speaker 1: meet up with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, that'll be one I think. I think Jimmy
Speaker 2: will be waiting there on the other side for you.
Speaker 2: But maybe the Turtle Man too, with his missing fingers.
Speaker 1: I hope.
Speaker 2: That story. Everybody is.
Speaker 1: From that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody that's listened to that just loves my narration
Speaker 2: of it. And then they laughed, they cried, they were scared.
Speaker 2: It just it really hits just a whole range of emotions.
Speaker 2: There's such a wonderful story, and you've got another one
Speaker 2: that's even similar to that. I won't have you go
Speaker 2: into the full thing here. We're running out of time
Speaker 2: for tonight, but I'll have to have you back sometimes,
Speaker 2: especially after we get our book ready to come out.
Speaker 2: But the Smoking Ghost in the Delta eighty eight, that one,
Speaker 2: I've got that up on thirteen past midnight too, and uh,
Speaker 2: it's it's not as poignant, and it's touching or as
Speaker 2: scary as a Jimmy story. But that's that's a pretty
Speaker 2: creepy story too. I had an encounter, yeah, I talked
Speaker 2: about on Channel Lagro's Halloween show coming up about where
Speaker 2: I saw just a cigarette going down the road one
Speaker 2: Halloween night. But this was a ghost in the car smoking.
Speaker 2: And that's just that's a frightening story too. All true.
Speaker 1: Yep, ye we were talking about you were mentioning the
Speaker 1: spite in the ditch too. There's a there's there's one story.
Speaker 1: I'm still anxiously. I will hope that you'll narrate and
Speaker 1: praying the the days you'll you'll get to it of
Speaker 1: my father and I with an encounter we had with
Speaker 1: a with a creature I guess you would call you
Speaker 1: say I would call them the fae that that we
Speaker 1: both had on separate occasion. I yeah, I won't go
Speaker 1: into that story because I'm really hoping one of these
Speaker 1: days that we get around.
Speaker 2: I I apologize to get to it. I want to
Speaker 2: narrate everything you sent me and some you haven't sent
Speaker 2: me yet. I'll narrate those two as soon as I
Speaker 2: get them. But it's just it's the story that's along
Speaker 2: the way that you tell it. It's not the one
Speaker 2: where you guys are traveling in the r V and
Speaker 2: you're picking cactus spines out of your rear end.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that that's a long one.
Speaker 2: And you got to play some of that for your
Speaker 2: sister before she passed away. And I wish I could
Speaker 2: have had the whole thing done, but I was in
Speaker 2: a real state of flux, uh and not good situation
Speaker 2: in Oregon, and I was getting ready to get out
Speaker 2: of there and get to Uh. I'll the frying panted
Speaker 2: into the fire in New Mexico. But now that I'm
Speaker 2: here in New England and things that have settled down
Speaker 2: and I have, you know, a place where I can
Speaker 2: be creative and create and an atmosphere conducive to that.
Speaker 2: I want to narrate all those and if you'd like,
Speaker 2: we can put those in in the book that we're
Speaker 2: working on, and then I'll make an audio book out
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: There you go, that would be good. You know, I
Speaker 1: thank you m brings into life as your narration. One
Speaker 1: else in the world that I would I would rather have.
Speaker 2: Wow, I appreciate that. To my wife that you considered
Speaker 2: me a bullet and would take I'm sorry. You even
Speaker 2: told my wife that you considered me a brother and
Speaker 2: would take a bullet for me, uh, figuratively and literally.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Brother.
Speaker 2: You're you're something else.
Speaker 1: I believe I would, I really do. You're a good man, Steve.
Speaker 1: I've I've You've meant a lot to me over the
Speaker 1: the last few years. Before before I heard you, you know,
Speaker 1: telling your stories and made a connection with you, I
Speaker 1: didn't really talk about my experiences and and just you
Speaker 1: know everything. I didn't really tell people about that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. The only person I ever talked to about
Speaker 1: the paranormal things in my life was with my father,
Speaker 1: and he's been gone since ninety eight eight. I just,
Speaker 1: you know, you do you tell people something? You tell
Speaker 1: people things like that, and they look at you like
Speaker 1: you got three heads, You're crazy, you know? And you
Speaker 1: really are the person that brought that out in me,
Speaker 1: and A and A has enabled me to be able
Speaker 1: to talk about the experiences I've had, and that means
Speaker 1: a lot to me.
Speaker 2: I have such a loquacious style and just the attempt
Speaker 2: to detail I've recounted some of my experiences. I've had
Speaker 2: people say, you've got to be making this up because
Speaker 2: nobody can remember that much detail. But like you, it's
Speaker 2: burned into my brain. Yeah, I remember every single little
Speaker 2: thing that I've been able to recall while recounting these experiences.
Speaker 2: That's how much impact it had on me and on
Speaker 2: my life. I mean it's like a snapshot literally, and
Speaker 2: I can look at that mental image and pick little
Speaker 2: details out and it's just it's the way it was,
Speaker 2: believe it or not. That's my experiences. I know what
Speaker 2: I saw, I know what I felt, I know what
Speaker 2: I experience. And you're the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, yep, yep, I am you and I. You
Speaker 1: and I are very similar in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: same age of the same life. Yeah, kindred spirit, I
Speaker 1: feel like you're definitely.
Speaker 2: Kindred spirit or brothers from another mother or something like that.
Speaker 2: We had definitely have a connection there and just some
Speaker 2: of the experience, as you shared. We had a graveyard
Speaker 2: that we played into. I didn't get to talk about that.
Speaker 2: It was from the eighteen hundreds. It was abandoned, and
Speaker 2: my grandfather when he sold that property that it was on,
Speaker 2: he told the person, you know, you own this property,
Speaker 2: but nobody owns the graveyard. So that just gave all
Speaker 2: of us kids free rein and we'd build a clubhouse
Speaker 2: in the edge of the graveyard. We didn't build it
Speaker 2: over any graves or anything. But other kids wouldn't mess
Speaker 2: with us. They're like, that's those crazy kids that have
Speaker 2: a clubhouse in the graveyard. Don't mess with them. So
Speaker 2: we were left our own. Devices had a two story
Speaker 2: clubhouse in there with multiple rooms and little ante rooms
Speaker 2: and things off of it. It was I wonder if
Speaker 2: that's still there. I never been back since I moved
Speaker 2: away from there, but I would have to see it
Speaker 2: any of that's still there. But there were old, old
Speaker 2: gravestones in there, and then some of them you couldn't
Speaker 2: even read they'd been there so long. But amazing place.
Speaker 2: Quite a great place to grow up and to have
Speaker 2: places like that, you know, the creek and the woods
Speaker 2: and all that, where you could have these fantastic outdoor advents. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My only sibling and older brother. He was seventeen years
Speaker 2: older than me, so I was basically raised and only
Speaker 2: the time I was cognizant, he'd moved out and married. God.
Speaker 2: I became an uncle when I was four, so I've
Speaker 2: had all those woods. I just I made my own
Speaker 2: fun most time, and that's I think where I get
Speaker 2: my imagination and my creativity was because I was I
Speaker 2: wasn't around kids until I started kindergarten, and then I
Speaker 2: hated every second I liked And still to this day,
Speaker 2: with the exception of my wife, I prefer my own
Speaker 2: company to that of others. Present company excluded too. If
Speaker 2: I ever make it to Ohio, if you ever make
Speaker 2: it to New England, we need to at least have
Speaker 2: a coffee together.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonna have to make
Speaker 1: a trip there. I've got family out there, little around
Speaker 1: most of them, to be honest with you, they're probably not.
Speaker 1: But I need to make the trip up there. I've
Speaker 1: got I've got advance in Lowell up there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's similar here to my My brother was fourteen years
Speaker 1: older than I was and my sister was seven, so
Speaker 1: I was kind of raised an.
Speaker 2: Only child too. Yeah, it does something to.
Speaker 1: Exactly as far as you need, you need to be created,
Speaker 1: You need to take a goal on a trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some places in Ohio.
Speaker 1: I need to take the gold down there and some
Speaker 1: time and check this out.
Speaker 2: There was places that as a child we went through
Speaker 2: Ohio and my my parents were antique dealers, and uh,
Speaker 2: we'd go on buying trips sometimes Ohio and go to
Speaker 2: the state sales and things like that. I have wonderful
Speaker 2: memories of a rural Ohio and suburban Ohio and uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever listened to the belief whole,
Speaker 2: but they're from from some Yeah. Yeah, they've moved into
Speaker 2: a new studio and an old haunted house or something
Speaker 2: like that. I love those guys, and maybe we can
Speaker 2: all meet up sometimes and have a live stream or
Speaker 2: storytelling session or something.
Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be awesome. I know you you turned me
Speaker 1: on to them. I I liked I I like them
Speaker 1: a lot. At the train episode not too long ago,
Speaker 1: and that was really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm live. I live probably twenty minutes away from Waynesville,
Speaker 1: which is like they considered the most haunted town Ohio.
Speaker 1: It's it's a fun place Halloween to always do a
Speaker 1: ghost walk on the night and h and up to it.
Speaker 1: They'll have a couple of weeks we can go on
Speaker 1: ghost walks and things like that. It's it's got a
Speaker 1: lot of history.
Speaker 2: I don't love it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: a boring yeah, the big cities the Yeah, of course,
Speaker 2: probably rust Belt now. But back in the day, you
Speaker 2: know Dayton, Uh, there was a lot of industry and
Speaker 2: things there, And I had cousins that left Tennessee and
Speaker 2: moved up there. Oh yeah, but I wouldn't know them
Speaker 2: if I passed him on the street. Haven't seen him
Speaker 2: since the eighties. But I didn't care for the city
Speaker 2: too much. I had had some times in Cincinnati, but uh,
Speaker 2: i'd have to make a trip up there. I was.
Speaker 2: I was looking here. There's a lot of halted locations
Speaker 2: up there right in Cincinnati, and I'm sure all throughout Ohio,
Speaker 2: but definitely be a great place to do a road
Speaker 2: trip someday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked to you can come come this way.
Speaker 1: I'll definitely take you out on the on the tour
Speaker 1: of stuff in the area.
Speaker 2: And when I lived in Oregon, you sent me out
Speaker 2: a care package one time from Ohio. There was some
Speaker 2: Skyline chili in there, and tried to send some crystals,
Speaker 2: but that didn't work out too well. But uh, I
Speaker 2: appreciate I did enjoy the other stuff you said. But Terry,
Speaker 2: we're just about out of time here. I want to
Speaker 2: thank you for joining me on this episode of Everything
Speaker 2: out There. We'll have to have you back again sometime
Speaker 2: to tell some more stories. And everyone abreast of the
Speaker 2: book that we're working on. We'll talk more about that
Speaker 2: off the air. Yeah, a lot, A safe and happy Halloween,
Speaker 2: and thank you from taking the time out of your
Speaker 2: day to join me here on this episode of Everything
Speaker 2: out There. People can find you on YouTube. It's the
Speaker 2: at Symbol Downtown Terry Brown. That's your YouTube channel, Tales
Speaker 2: of the Sonic Voyage. And I believe I'm the one
Speaker 2: that gave you that sober k. I gave you that nickname.
Speaker 2: I just I called you that one time.
Speaker 1: And it kind of stuck you are ye, yep, it's
Speaker 1: it has been used a few times in the past,
Speaker 1: but it's been many, many years. Yeah, but this I
Speaker 1: gotta I got to a point it to you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Again, have a good one.
Speaker 1: The book.
Speaker 2: Indeed, we'll talk to you again soon. I'm Steve Stockton
Speaker 2: and I'll see you a little farther on down the trail.
Speaker 2: Have a good night.