WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:06.480 You're listening to everything out there with your host Steve Stockton. 2 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:22.440 Hello friends, Steve Stockton here with you, welcome to everything 3 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:26.719 out there and joining me on the phone tonight. Downtown 4 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:30.280 Terry Brown, the Cincinnati Kid, got a great YouTube channel, 5 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.560 Tales of the Sonic Voyage. Go check that out. You 6 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:36.880 can find that at Downtown Terry Brown on YouTube. He's 7 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:40.520 gonna regale us with some stories of hauntings and weird 8 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.799 things that go on in Ohio. Tonight, Terry, how you 9 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:44.359 doing tonight. 10 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:46.320 I'm good, Steve. Good to talk to you. 11 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:50.079 Great to have you here and loving that YouTube channel 12 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:54.640 you've got. You've got everything of their old radio spoken word, blues, psychedelia, 13 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:58.640 classic rock, acid rock, a little bit of everything, something 14 00:00:58.640 --> 00:00:59.840 for every taste over there. 15 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:03.600 Thank you, sir. I appreciate that I'm trying to keep 16 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:05.480 some of the music alive. Stuff that I liked when 17 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:07.640 I was a kid. Things you don't hear in the radio. 18 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:10.040 You know, when we were kids, you and I are 19 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:11.799 about the same age. If you didn't hear it on 20 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:14.560 the radio, you didn't even know it existed. Since getting 21 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:19.000 onto YouTube the last five ten years, I guess I've 22 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.359 discovered a lot of older psych bands and stuff that's 23 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.680 out there. It's just really really good that you just 24 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:27.560 never heard about. And I'm trying to bring some of 25 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.319 that out. And I've got some of those old albums too, 26 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.000 and you know, it's just it's nice to bring keeping 27 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:35.120 me alive. I guess, you know, if I can reach 28 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:36.920 a couple of people out there, or even one person 29 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.000 that here's something that they've never heard before that they 30 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:42.599 just really like and fall in love with, my endeavors 31 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:45.879 have been successful. Just trying to keep it going, and 32 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.480 I love that stuff. I listened to music constant. Music's 33 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.359 been the whole, a huge part of my life since 34 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:56.319 day one and always will be. Just love that stuff. 35 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.760 So it's it's been going pretty well. I've been running 36 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.200 thirty one days of Sonic Horror on Halloween, so I've 37 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:05.480 been trying to upload like three different titles of day. 38 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:10.000 One really good or creepy, one at midnight all Halloween 39 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:13.520 themed or spooky themed, another one during the day about 40 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:17.000 three usually kids had spoken words something like that, and 41 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.599 then another good one in the primetime nine ten o'clock 42 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:22.840 at night. More accessible stuff. Stuff you've probably heard, but 43 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.000 you know you haven't listened to lately, Black Sabbaths things 44 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:28.240 like that. It's been going real well. You've you've helped 45 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:29.919 me out a lot over there too. You send a 46 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:32.280 lot of people away, and I do appreciate that. 47 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:34.800 Her. Oh it's my pleasure. Like I said, I really 48 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.520 dig what you're doing over there. And some of those 49 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.120 horror themed stuff you dug up that was like pre 50 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.560 goth type music. It was goth before goth was even 51 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:45.840 a thing. And I'm loving it. And I've found a 52 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:48.840 lot of albums over there that I'd never heard of before, 53 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:52.879 and some old favorites too, especially some of the halloween 54 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.960 stuff You've got, like some of those spoken word kids 55 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.599 records that I used to have on vinyl, and then 56 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:01.199 some of the sound effects. They're like really chilling sounds 57 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:03.919 of the haunted house and the horror effects and some 58 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.120 of that stuff. I love those albums. 59 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.120 Yeah, me too. I've I've really enjoyed posting them up 60 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:10.879 and listening to them again because I had a lot 61 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:13.080 of those kids too, and it's been years and years 62 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:15.879 since I've listened to them. Been good comments, good feedback 63 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:17.240 on it, So it's it's been fun. 64 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:23.840 Yeah, I'm growing community over there. When people I'm interested 65 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:24.639 to see what you do. 66 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:26.840 It's doing real well, see I enjoy doing it. 67 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:29.280 What your plans after how I'm kind of. 68 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.439 I honestly, I I love this time a year. Oh, 69 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:34.639 I've got a lot of stuff in the can and 70 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:36.560 getting ready to get ready to go. That's what I 71 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.800 was gonna say. I'm kind of looking forward to getting 72 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.000 getting October over with in that regard to get back to, 73 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:44.280 you know, doing the stuff that I that I really 74 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:46.919 really like the old psych albums. I've got some some 75 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:51.639 more stuff, some uh, some rare things. I'm telling me, 76 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.199 you've got some live stuff. I'm really interested in hearing. 77 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:56.360 I'd love to post some of that too, Some rare 78 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:02.199 concerts live Pink Floyd coming up, the Moby Grape, you know, 79 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:04.240 things like that. Skip Spence, I don't know if you're 80 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:05.840 familiar with him, He's gonna be one of the one 81 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.039 of the ones I'm gonna get first off the bat. 82 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:11.039 He's that's an interesting story going into this last week 83 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.960 of Halloween. I've got some really creepy stuff coming out, 84 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:17.480 especially midnight the last four or five days. I've got 85 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.839 a certain band of highlighting that just is beyond creepy 86 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:23.399 to me. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a 87 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.199 fun listen. It's gonna be a little rough in some spots. 88 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:28.399 I will say that it's not. 89 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:32.279 The kind of stuff kind of surprise, let's hear it 90 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:37.639 that way. Charles Manson album and Anton Levey or just 91 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.120 yeah that that's really really creepy stuff. You got cover 92 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:41.480 it up. 93 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.439 Yeah, absolutely, Halloween. I'm looking to do a probably twenty 94 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:50.240 four hour marathon. Some some albums, some newer albums, some cartoons, 95 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:55.439 holiday you know, Halloween TV specials from the past, movies, 96 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:57.519 things like that. But I'm gonna keep it going pretty 97 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:01.839 much all day ado. I did that on Friday, thirteenth month. 98 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:05.439 Movies and TV shows and stuff over there too. I 99 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:07.079 really appreciate those as well. 100 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:09.560 Yeah, that kind of they can bring back memories. I'll 101 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.279 say that watching those again, it's fun. It's really fun. 102 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.399 I love Halloween, and obviously you do too. I know 103 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.519 that it's your birthday. Happy birthday in advance there, sir 104 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:22.079 for you and molder, Oh thank you. Halloween's the best 105 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:23.920 time of year for me. I just love it. 106 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:29.560 Yeah, it was that way. Yeah, Halloween was like a 107 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.519 military exercise for me and my friends. You know, we planned. 108 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:35.680 We strategized to get as much candy as we possibly 109 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:38.720 could and create as much mischief and havoc as we 110 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:44.120 possibly could. Need to do a show some time about Halloween. Franks, 111 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:48.519 if the statute limitations has expired on some of those. 112 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:51.959 I'm with you there. I totally understood you talking about 113 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:56.040 the toilet bring up toilet paper and soap and other things, 114 00:05:56.120 --> 00:06:02.959 eggs and they used to yeah, using Halloween. Yeah, exactly, exactly. 115 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:04.920 Well, it sounds like. 116 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.439 For me, it's spooky time all year round. For me. 117 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:13.800 Yeah, celebrate Halloween year round. And thankfully my wife Nicole, 118 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.600 she's the same way. We love everything dark and creepy 119 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:19.399 and spooky, and it's just it's how every day is Halloween, 120 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.319 or it can be. Getting back to that, the dark 121 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:25.040 stuff and the spooky stuff. How did you get interested 122 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:28.920 in everything grim and gory, the paranormal, the darker side, 123 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:31.399 if you will. What led you into all that? 124 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.439 Wow? I would have to say, I think my father 125 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:38.000 probably brought me into that. I've always been attuned to it. 126 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.439 I guess you could say some people call it second sight, 127 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.800 you know, the vision. I've always had a bit of that. 128 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:51.399 I remember seeing things and hearing things back from way 129 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:54.720 back when I was a small, small child. The first 130 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:58.079 time I ever remember seeing anything, I was still I 131 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:00.600 was still a toddler. I was in a I remember 132 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.480 the very first time I thought something was a miss 133 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.879 we say, I remember I was. I was in my 134 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:12.279 playpen in my mom's room. It was afternoon, and I 135 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.319 was just kind of hanging out and Uh lived next 136 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.000 door to me, and he was about a month older 137 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.000 than I. Jeff referenced him in at least one story 138 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.959 that you've already done narrated. He was over there with 139 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:26.920 me as well. They had him in the playpen. Well, 140 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:28.800 everybody was out of the room. It was just him 141 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.000 and on. I guess we'd been sleeping and I woke 142 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.480 up and I was kind of hanging out there, and 143 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:38.639 it was one of those old, uh wooden slided kind 144 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:42.959 of playpens, had a a rail across the top that 145 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.079 I had just how described this exactly. It had these 146 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:53.079 little metal rods that were between a couple of top rods, 147 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:57.439 and they had like these uh smaller bolts that were 148 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.759 were out in the center were on the metal post 149 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.759 with a spring underneath, so you could sit there and 150 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:05.120 kind of ping you know, kind of spring the ball 151 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:08.759 back and forth and entertaining yourself. I remember laying there 152 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:12.319 kind of half asleep, and I started hearing that spring 153 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:16.600 Nollix got up, kind of raised up, and there was 154 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:21.480 this older gentleman that I didn't know it's time, kind 155 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:23.240 of sitting in a chair over across the room, looking 156 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.480 at me and just making faces. He was smiling and 157 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:27.639 he just kept, you know, he kept I remember I 158 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:31.160 he was funny. I remember just laughing, and I woke 159 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:34.879 my cousin up or he woke up somehow, I don't know, 160 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:39.720 but I was. I was kind of like pointing this 161 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.080 guy out to him as a little small child, and 162 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:44.960 he just seemed oblivious to him. Didn't really think anything 163 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.240 of it at the time, I guess, going on for 164 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:51.679 a few minutes. Well, my mom and dad and just 165 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:55.399 dad came into the room sometime shortly thereafter, and they 166 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:58.200 were all standing around the room talking and this gentleman 167 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.679 was still sitting over in there, just looking at me 168 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:05.399 and smiling. And there was a point my mom went 169 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.559 over and started to sit down, and I remember that 170 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.080 really clearly. She started to sit right on top of 171 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:15.039 this guy and I I just didn't know what was 172 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.960 going on, you know, And I'm watching this with like 173 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.960 wide eyes, and she sat in the chair and this 174 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:27.000 gentleman just disappeared. I thought that was really really strange. 175 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:30.080 But you know, I don't know how to him, which 176 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:34.600 he is very young, just kind of flabbergasted me. I 177 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:40.840 guess later on Jeff left, my family left the room. 178 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:44.039 I remember seeing him again. He was just kind of 179 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.639 wandering around the room and you know, just watching me. 180 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:51.799 And I remember other times throughout years as a small 181 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.679 child seeing him, but I don't know as that older. 182 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:58.480 I just guess I just forgot about him, didn't see 183 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:07.120 him anymore. Think about it. Fast forward to I'm probably seventeen. 184 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:10.480 Brought my girlfriend over to my house one night on 185 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:11.840 a Friday night. We were on a date, and we 186 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.960 came home and my parents were going through stacks of 187 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.360 old photo albums. Say, my dad had tons and tons 188 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:19.840 of the old photo albums, and they were the ones 189 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:22.960 that either pulled up the cellophane, you know, and stopped 190 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:27.919 a picture onto the sticky back, or he had ones 191 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:32.000 that were had like little glued corners on them that 192 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:34.759 were stuck onto like instruction paper. We had tons of those, 193 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.879 and they both through them, and I'd looked through some 194 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.159 of them before, but not all of them. I was 195 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.440 sitting there, we were, my girlfriend and I were both 196 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:46.080 looking at watching my parents go through them and looking 197 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.120 at the photos too, and my mom came across this 198 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:53.200 picture and it was a picture of my mom as 199 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.480 a young girl, and there was a lady next to 200 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:58.759 her and an older gentleman and it was the same 201 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.360 gentleman that I had as a child, and it hit 202 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:04.360 me at that moment I had this recollect of him, 203 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:07.200 and I asked my mom. I stopped and I said, 204 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:09.919 who is that? And she said, well, that that's Pepe. 205 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:13.320 That's your grandfather. I had never met my grandfather's, well, 206 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.000 either one of them. They both passed away shortly before 207 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:19.240 I had I was born. And she said, yeah, that's 208 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:19.720 my father. 209 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.440 Pepe was you know, that's when you know? 210 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:24.840 And she told me to worry about it, and I 211 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:27.480 didn't say anything to her at the time, but you know, 212 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:29.200 we went through the pictures and everything. Well, later on 213 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:31.200 we left, I told my girlfriend about it. We were 214 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.919 both kind of freaked out about it, so that that 215 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:39.559 was kind of freaky, But the real kicker was probably 216 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.519 I don't know, I'm probably my thirties. At point, my 217 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:46.360 parents had just passed away, both of them. My father 218 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:52.120 passed away. Well, actually wrote up a story about about. 219 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:52.440 That that. 220 00:11:53.879 --> 00:12:00.159 You're familiar with. My mom passed a week later, and 221 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:02.879 after my mom's funeral, we my brother and sister and 222 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.120 myself were all went all back to the house and 223 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.080 we were kind of going through all the stuff in 224 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:12.240 the house. You know, you're going opening drawers and seeing 225 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:15.519 what's this and what that, and just kind of figuring 226 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:18.840 out what to throw away, what to give away, what keep. Well, 227 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:23.919 I ran into found a big stack of old letters, 228 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:27.200 and a lot of them were letters from my dad 229 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.440 and my mom during World War Two. Somewhere from other 230 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:35.399 members of the family. I found a series of letters 231 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:40.279 that it were from my mother's father, Pepe at the 232 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:44.559 time was in the hospital dying of some form of 233 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:48.600 I don't know, cancer, tuberculosis, something he didn't have much longer, 234 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:54.240 and he was telling my mother that it was really 235 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:57.799 disappointing to him that he would not be able to see, 236 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.919 you know, her her son who was going to be 237 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.360 born in a couple of months, which was me, and 238 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:05.879 that he couldn't be there with us. But he would 239 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:08.559 always watch out us. He told her he would, he 240 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:10.799 would take care and he would watch out for me, 241 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.399 and uh, he'd be around. And that's when it really 242 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:19.919 hit me. I just that floored me. Wow. I don't know, 243 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:21.360 I don't know what else say about that, but that 244 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:26.399 that really that that brought it to my attention. Always 245 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:32.480 seen things throughout my life, though my dad was the same. 246 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.000 There were a lot of times when I was a kid, 247 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.720 I would hear things or or see people that that 248 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:41.799 I that looked just as solid as they could be, 249 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:45.120 and I would say something about it, and my my mom, 250 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:48.200 my brothers and sister would just you know, laugh it 251 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:50.320 off and tell me what a great imagination I had, 252 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.320 and you know, I was just I was crazy. I 253 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:57.639 was you're being silly, And as a young child, I 254 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:01.039 tried it was sometimes I really tried to get their 255 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.879 attention to let them know that, you know, there's something 256 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.600 else something going on here. What what who is that person? 257 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:11.519 Who's what's what's happening? Why aren't you seeing this? My 258 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:13.960 father pulled me aside one time and said, you know, 259 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:17.279 he he knew what I was seeing. He was aware 260 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:21.000 of it. There were things that were meant for us 261 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.679 to see that weren't meant for other people. And he, uh, 262 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:26.320 he probably kept me from going crazy as a kid, 263 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.279 He really did. He he let me know he was 264 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.840 there for me, and that you know, there's there's other 265 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.080 things out there in the world that were a lot 266 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.559 of people were just not meant to be aware of, 267 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.399 and it's really not our place to try to make 268 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:45.360 them aware of it. So I guess that's what started 269 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:46.240 me down this road. 270 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:47.879 Yeah, your experiences. 271 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:49.519 Used to listen to a lot of his stories when 272 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:50.240 I was a kid. 273 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.120 Might have. Wasn't my father, but my maternal grandmother that 274 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.200 I had almost the same exact conversations with, and she explained, 275 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:01.519 there's things that are just meant for you that only 276 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.039 you can see. And sometimes you'll see something that's meant 277 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.480 for somebody else, but you can see it too, And 278 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:09.799 then other things you may see and you'll never know 279 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:13.799 who it's for, what it's all about at all, even 280 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:17.320 in retrospect. And I found that to be true. Like you, 281 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:21.960 my adventures started early. I saw a little tiny Christmas 282 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:25.559 lights lying around the house when I was still in 283 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.679 a crib and there were no flying lights at her house. 284 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:30.279 I was trying to catch them, and my dad like, 285 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.559 what are you doing? And I'm trying to catch these lights, daddy, 286 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.960 but he couldn't see him. And then the first apparition 287 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:41.320 I ever saw was a little boy that ran into 288 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:44.039 our yard and disappeared. And I didn't take wise off 289 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:47.080 the spot, went right to the spot. Nothing there, nothing 290 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:48.840 I could have mistaken for a kid, No hole that 291 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:51.600 a kid could have fallen in. I went and got 292 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:53.360 a shovel and dug there to see if there was 293 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.279 something in the ground. Didn't find anything, and this code 294 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:59.159 I were talking about that and literally I've still got 295 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:02.000 that shovel, still digging. You know, I'm always looking for 296 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.519 answers and you probably found this to be your experience too. 297 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.279 We've got a lot more questions than when we started, 298 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.559 and it's not about finding the answers anymore. It's on 299 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:13.080 to the next set of questions. 300 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:18.960 Absolutely, and I totally agree with that. There's just so 301 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.240 so many odd things out there, you know, and hauntings 302 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:24.960 people people talk about hauntings and ghosts and there's so 303 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:27.720 many different types. I guess you would say, you know, 304 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:33.120 you've got your your resonant images, you tape, there's no 305 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:36.279 connection you can't. You can't interact with them. They don't 306 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.919 interact with you. It's just like you're watching a video 307 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:44.799 of some kind of emotional input question that's happened. And 308 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:48.840 then there's some that there's a lot of interaction there there. 309 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:53.279 You know, there are entities out there that that are 310 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.159 just lost. They don't know what's going on. They're they're 311 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:58.240 not sure where they're at, they're not aware, they don't 312 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:02.919 know what's happened. And there's other beings too. There's there's 313 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:08.119 some bad stuff out there. Honestly, I went through this 314 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.440 life wishing that, wishing that I didn't have the site 315 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.640 that I've had. It's you know, a long time ago, 316 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:20.279 I gave up trying to convince people of anything. I 317 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.440 see what I see. I believe what I believe. You know, 318 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:25.559 if I've got a tumor and I'm just crazy, then 319 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:30.160 that's what it is. But I don't think. So. There's 320 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.160 just so much out there that we don't know about. 321 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:36.759 It's and I don't know that we ever will. 322 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:37.319 I hope. 323 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.000 So, I hope someday, you know, on the other side, 324 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:41.799 we'll have answers of everything. 325 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:43.599 Yep, I agree. 326 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.039 Don't have it now though, yeah, it's away, but. 327 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:49.799 If we had all the answers, the journey wouldn't have 328 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.160 been half as much fun. I don't think it was. 329 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:55.880 You know, it was frightening, it was exhilarating, but there 330 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.319 was always something happening, and like you, I saw people 331 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:01.279 that nobody will can see it. I didn't know that 332 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:03.759 there were two little boys that used to come down 333 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.279 out of the woods on the farm where I grew up, 334 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:10.319 and not a big farm's twenty six acres. There were 335 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:12.039 these little kids that would come down out of the 336 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:13.960 woods and I would play with them down in an 337 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.480 area we called the bottoms, which was on the other 338 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.359 side of a creek, and we pull me out a 339 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:21.759 garden down there and planted corn and stuff. And I 340 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.200 asked my dad about that much later in life. I 341 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:27.079 was probably in my thirties or maybe even forty, and 342 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:29.039 I said, who were those kids that I used to 343 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.039 play with down there? And he's like your imaginary friends, 344 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:36.599 and I said, no, these were real children. And I 345 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.000 told him the direction that they came from when they 346 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.279 came down the hill. He said, there's nothing over there. 347 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.240 He said, there's a sheer bluff on the other side 348 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:46.079 of that ridge. That drops off down into the lake, 349 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:50.079 which used to be the Clinch River until TVA damned 350 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.119 it up and made Miltain Hill Lake. And he said 351 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:54.319 the only thing that was back over there if you 352 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:56.920 went off the top of it. He said, there used 353 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:59.319 to be on the flat land over there, on the 354 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:01.680 other side of the there was an old church and 355 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:06.079 a graveyard. And I was like, okay, So apparently I 356 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.680 was playing with ghost kids and didn't even realize they 357 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.920 were ghosts. And it was weird because at the time, 358 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.880 this would have been in the mid to late sixties, 359 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:20.480 maybe into the early seventies, they didn't dress like kids 360 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.599 that day. They had like short hair, like burr haircuts, 361 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:27.440 like buzz cuts, and they had jeans with a cuffed 362 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.359 way up in little flannel shirts. And I think it's 363 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.519 probably some kids that passed away from a smallpox or 364 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:36.960 collar or something that had been buried in that graveyard 365 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:40.480 back there. And when we'd been down there playing, I 366 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.119 would hear bell off in the distance, almost like a 367 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.880 dinner bell, and they would just stop whatever they're doing 368 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.359 and take off back through the woods and go out 369 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.480 of sight. That's weird that the ring of a bell. 370 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.000 But anytime we played down there. If I got close 371 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.960 to the branch the creek there, they wouldn't get near it. 372 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.680 And you know, that's the myth, apparently, the is that 373 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.319 ghosts can't cross running water. And other times, when I 374 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.240 wasn't playing with these little kids, i'd be down in 375 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:08.720 there and it started getting dark, I would get just 376 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:14.720 this overwhelming sense of foreboding and I would run out 377 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:16.720 of there. And my dad had built a little bridge 378 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:20.119 across the creek there, and I didn't feel like something 379 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.160 wasn't after me until I got across that bridge when 380 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:25.880 I crossed the water, So that that kind of makes sense, 381 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:29.559 But that whole area it was weird. There were seven 382 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.079 natural springs, six of them that flowed out of hillsides 383 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:36.359 and one that was an artesian spring. Those flowed into 384 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:39.359 a bigger creek which used to go into the river, 385 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:43.319 and then the lake and the ditch near there where 386 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:46.559 I had several paranormal experiences that I've talked about. That 387 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:48.920 was the old stagecoach road, the old dirt road to 388 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:53.319 the air dating back to revolutionary times and probably before that. 389 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:57.200 But I think that people got ambushed there. People stopped 390 00:20:57.240 --> 00:20:59.880 along that road and went down there to the creek 391 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.160 get a drink of water, and especially I believe during 392 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.000 the Civil War, because we used to find the mini balls, 393 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:10.359 the fire shells now the cartridges and things like that, 394 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:12.079 found arrowheads and things down there. 395 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:12.359 Wow. 396 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:15.519 One time there was an old tree that lightning had 397 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.720 struck and it rotted, and my dad and I were 398 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:20.799 burning it, and when we rolled it over so the 399 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:24.079 other side would catch, there was the tip of a 400 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:27.079 Civil War era bayonet that was broken off in the tree. 401 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:29.400 So I don't know what all had gone down there, 402 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:30.960 but it felt off. 403 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:37.319 Oh huh, Yeah, the water has an attraction. I do 404 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.400 believe that. When when I grew up, we lived at 405 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:43.839 the end of a cul de sac, and I had 406 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:45.759 a creek running right behind the house and you went 407 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.039 down the hill and probably I don't know, seventy five 408 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.480 yards from my house was a running creek, and I 409 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:55.559 saw that there were just so many things that happened 410 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.440 around that creek, not just behind the house, but up 411 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.039 and down the creek is we played kids, the kids 412 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:05.119 in there. We were always in that creek, but there 413 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:10.839 was always something happened or something going on on on 414 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:14.480 this nearby. There was a if you might I guess 415 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:19.400 from my house heading south. It was called Second Creek 416 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.759 still is, but it passed right through the middle of 417 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:24.880 the graveyard on the very edge of town. It's the 418 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:28.559 only graveyard we had, and there was an old stun 419 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.319 bridge that cemetery. It was never used when I was 420 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:33.920 a kid. In fact, I we didn't even know it 421 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.720 was there until one time we went that far down 422 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.000 the creek and found it. I remember one time when 423 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:47.480 it was summertime, around the fourth of July, because we 424 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:50.559 were we were all running around at night playing games, 425 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:52.160 you know, doing the ghosts in the graveyard and that 426 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.880 kind of stuff. But we had an interesting graveyard. It 427 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:02.519 goes back a long time, early well, early mid eighteen hundreds, 428 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:06.720 I guess, and the oldest graves back there. My friend, 429 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:09.319 two of my friends and I decided we were gonna 430 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.559 go We're gonna we're gonna camp out in the graveyard 431 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:14.519 at night, you know, kind of check things out. So, uh, 432 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:18.039 we were making plans and everything. We did that. We 433 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.440 headed down one night a couple of the other kids, 434 00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:22.960 but the older kids in the neighborhood, a couple of boys, 435 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:25.000 they'd heard what was going on, so they decided they 436 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:29.559 were going to come down and mess with us. So 437 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:32.759 we were down there and we were kind of camping out, 438 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:34.680 you know, kind of freaking each other out about things. 439 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:37.599 And I hadn't really seen anything at the time or 440 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:43.839 felt anything. Dave and Scott, the two kids, were trying 441 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:45.599 to sneak up on it. When we knew they were coming, 442 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.599 we heard them, so we had some fireworks with us 443 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:51.160 and you know, some bottle rockets and stuff, so we 444 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.599 kind of went down toward the creek and then started 445 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:57.319 lighting them off at them, and they got all freaked 446 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:00.440 out and took off, and we thought that was great fun. Well, 447 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.799 one of the boys that was right with me, we 448 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:07.480 were hiding down at the bridge, and we were under 449 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.920 that stone bridge waiting for everybody to leave and kind 450 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.799 of laughing about things and trying to keep quiet. Well, 451 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:16.160 we sat down there for probably, I don't know, it'd 452 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:19.119 very been about ten or fifteen minutes after everybody left, 453 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:21.440 and we were still kind of down there, thrown rocks 454 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.920 in the water and just kind of listening to everything. 455 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.400 And we heard it was the sound of a bell, 456 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:33.200 kind of a I don't know, like a small tin bell, 457 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:38.599 just ringing kind of erratically, and the sound after it 458 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:43.039 came the sound of horsehoves, and clear as a bell, 459 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:49.680 we heard this group of horses come down through the field, 460 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:52.319 which there was, it was just field on the other 461 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:56.680 side of the bridge that went out. It sounded like 462 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:00.240 horses were pulling a carriage, and they came and cross 463 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:02.799 that bridge over the top of us, went down into 464 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.559 the cemetery, and we're we're listening to this. Just scared 465 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:09.119 death to even look out from underneath the bridge. And 466 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.960 it went maybe I don't know, hundred yards into the 467 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:19.200 cemetery and then stopped, and the bell stopped ringing, and 468 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:23.319 we heard muted voices. Couldn't make out what they were saying, 469 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:28.839 but they were definitely talking. And we decided finally we 470 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:30.519 were gonna We're gonna go take a look at what's 471 00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:35.079 going on here, you know. So we start climbing out 472 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.480 and Brian, who was with me, probably got about twenty 473 00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:41.599 or thirty feet up the hill in front of me, 474 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.960 and then he took off like a shot, headed for 475 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.319 the creek. Didn't say a word and was just gone. 476 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:50.519 I got up there, and I got up and looked, 477 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.200 and I can't say I saw much. 478 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:54.759 It was. 479 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.759 It was kind of foggy at that point, but there 480 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:03.079 was definitely some a light down by where the old 481 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.920 graves were, and when I came up, the voices stopped 482 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:10.960 and it became dead silent. I took off after Brian, 483 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:13.880 not knowing what's all or you know, just just wanted 484 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:16.000 to get out of there. It had just a bad, 485 00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:19.759 bad feeling. Years later we never did find out what 486 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:23.240 was going on there. But years later I found out 487 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:28.240 that that bridge, the only purpose that bridge ever for 488 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:35.079 was to carry the hearse that would drive There was 489 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.440 an old horse drawn curt hearse that came from that 490 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:42.079 side of the field where the guy that did the 491 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.200 doug the graves lived up there. He had it apparently 492 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.519 had it on an old carriage. They would carry the 493 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:51.559 bodies into the cemetery that way and then he would 494 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:54.279 you know, do his business and bury them. I got 495 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:58.640 with the old Lenchester Historical Society, which is where I'm from, 496 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:04.759 and they had small pictures and actually were talking about 497 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:06.799 the old carriage that used to come across and it 498 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:11.559 actually had bells that hung off the front there on 499 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.519 some wires, so it made a noise as they came 500 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:20.039 toward the cemetery. That was really creepy. Man I'm not 501 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:22.640 sure if we were just watching, watching and hearing something 502 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.200 out of the ass, but it was right by that creek. 503 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.559 Yeah, that's rightly. And it was so many things East 504 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.920 Tennessee too. There was an area Beaver Creek that ran 505 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:34.559 to there, and I think it goes all the way 506 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:38.559 up into Virginia or somewhere, but everywhere along that creek 507 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:42.200 there are all kinds of hauntings and paranormal activity, and 508 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.200 a very similar story there. At one point there was 509 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.880 some guys down there that had did either rob the 510 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:51.200 stagecoach or robbed the train and took off up the 511 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:54.920 hill toward Beaver Creek, and they hid out in a 512 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.559 cave and their initials are still in there. You can 513 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:00.240 go and see that in the cave that's up there. 514 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.119 But they eventually caught him and killed them right outside 515 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.039 the cave there. But one night my dad was out 516 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.960 in there and he heard what sounded like hoop beats, 517 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.559 heard him coming up the hill, passed right by him 518 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.799 there for the creek, and went out of earshot. He 519 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:17.559 said there was no horses there. I mean. He grew 520 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.039 up on a nine hundred and something anchor farm in 521 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:24.200 Middle Tennessee. He was very well versed with around farm animal. 522 00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:26.680 He said, I heard it, but there was nothing there. 523 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:28.640 And that's one of the stories that if you go 524 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:30.920 down there, I don't know if it's certain nights or 525 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:34.880 certain time of night, you can hear those guys still 526 00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.759 replaying that over and over where they're trying to get 527 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:39.759 through there on their horses to get away from the 528 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.359 posse that was pursued them and they didn't make it. 529 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.839 And there's something about the water like that. You're right 530 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.720 to that of tracks and you'd sent me another story. 531 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.279 I think it happened around that same area where he 532 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.680 grew up. I don't think I've gotten around and narrating 533 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.480 that yet. Was the turtle man? That was that a 534 00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.400 supernatural thing or just a strange person that was out 535 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:00.599 for yeah around or. 536 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:06.799 Yeah that one? No, it was it was definitely something. Okay, Yeah, 537 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.880 that's fine. That's one of the first recollections I have 538 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:17.119 of back to having rash with another it was a 539 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.480 ghost or another entity. Didn't know it at the time, 540 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.240 I was. It was summertime. Strangely off my dad. We 541 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.519 had a bridge across the creek behind our house as 542 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.519 well that my father had built hang out back there 543 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.440 on that old wooden bridge out and down and you know, 544 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.079 maybe fish off it. The water wasn't that deep. It 545 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.640 was probably only four or five feet in some areas 546 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.359 through there, and five would be deep. For that creek 547 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:49.599 was oh forty fifty feet wide through their trees hanging 548 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.559 over and everything. We were always in the in the water, 549 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.920 you know, turn over rock, looking for crawllads, catching fish 550 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.440 and stuff. Well, one summer I was by myself, and 551 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:05.160 I was probably eight seven eight years old or something, 552 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.880 and I was sitting down on the on the bridge 553 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:10.640 having some lunch, you know, I had a sandwich and 554 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.759 some a drink or something, and I remember having a 555 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:16.319 book on fish. It was like a library book that 556 00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:18.880 was on real colorful. I had all kinds of fish, 557 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.039 different types in it. And I was looking at that 558 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:23.119 reading and just kind of hanging my feet off the 559 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.759 side of the bridge and you know, enjoying the summer 560 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:31.440 day by myself back there, and I started hearing this 561 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.400 dumping noise off in the distance down the creek, kind 562 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.799 of a think silk, kind of almost a metallic now, 563 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.880 and i'd heard it before. I didn't know what it was. 564 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:45.799 To put my stock in it. But I started looking 565 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:47.920 down the creek, you know, and trying to figure out 566 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.000 what what this was, because from my house there was 567 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.440 another house, you know, I don't know, a quarter mile away, 568 00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.000 and then really nothing. I mean, there were some other 569 00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:02.799 houses up from the creek, but no kind of industrial 570 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.160 thing or no, there's just nothing. It just went into 571 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.200 woods and you know, went through the fields and whatnot. 572 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.359 So after a couple of minutes, I saw this guy 573 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.000 coming through the mill Creek and walking through the water, 574 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.799 had a pair of overalls on, was in water about 575 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.039 up to his knees, I guess, and he was walking 576 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.079 along in the water, walking next to the bank, and 577 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.640 he had a big stick, big of wong wouldn't stick 578 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.160 with it, and he stopped every now and then he 579 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:39.200 would show the stick down into the bank and you'd 580 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:44.599 hear itunk. You'd hear this funk sound. And I'd never 581 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.400 seen this guy before him. I was, you know, I 582 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.680 don't know, I was. I was a real friendly, personable kid, 583 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:51.480 I though I knew everybody in the area, and I 584 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.079 wanted to go see, you know, who is this guy? 585 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.440 Why is he doing this? So I ran across the bridge, 586 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.759 took off down the side of the the bank down there, 587 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:06.480 and sure enough, here this old, scraggly looking guy. I 588 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.200 said hello, and you know, introduced myself to him and 589 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.079 looked as solid as he could be, just some old guy, 590 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.559 and he said, you know, he said hello to me 591 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.240 and asked him what he was doing, and uh, he 592 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.799 was looking for turtles. He's looking for some victuals. I'm 593 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.599 saying the word victuals because I knew what that was. 594 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.920 We when when I was a kid, he used to 595 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:34.920 watch gun Smoke every every night, that every Monday night. 596 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.559 They talk about that. That was a word that came 597 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:38.039 up a lot. 598 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:44.880 So you know, they'd have company over for vittles. And 599 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.599 I asked my dad, I said, where did they get 600 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:49.839 that word? He said, they're saying victuals, but it's vittles 601 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.119 when in the south or out west? 602 00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.359 What he was he said, he was looking turtles. Turtles 603 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.960 was and uh, I knew there was some there were snapping, 604 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.759 some snapping turtles in there, and I thought that was, 605 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:09.119 you know, okay, So I said, well, how how are you? 606 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.440 How do you catch them? Because you wracking along with him, 607 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.799 big on lap sack that was like tied around to 608 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.799 his shoulder and waist, but it was hanging behind him, 609 00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:21.799 just coming through the water, and it looked like it 610 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.400 had something in it. I mean it had some stuff, 611 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:26.000 because it had some weight to it. But I said, well, 612 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.119 how you know, how are you catching them with a stick? 613 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.440 You know those things are me It's well, let me 614 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.799 tell you. I said, you come along here, he said, 615 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.920 a turtle, said, a big old snapper. W'll come up 616 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.920 and they'll find a hole in the in the side 617 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.359 of the bank and they'll go in and they'll they'll 618 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.440 stay in there and then they'll be hiding. He said, 619 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:48.799 you can take I take my stick and he said, 620 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.960 I stick it in there. I hear it sunk. I 621 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.119 know there's so he said. What I do is reach 622 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.200 my hand down and grab turtle, pull him out, and 623 00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.720 it's throw him up on the bank and then I'll 624 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:03.880 grab put him in lap cycle. I thought this guy 625 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:08.320 was nuts. I said, you know, you you you're gonna 626 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:10.800 you can't do that. You know you're gonna you're gonna 627 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.400 get bit turtles. Snapping turtles are nasty things, you know. 628 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:19.199 They heard when they when they go to bite down, 629 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.840 they have to actually finish the bite before they can 630 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.079 release again. I'm not sure if that's true, but I've 631 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.400 never really done research on it, but I guess their 632 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:28.599 jaws locked, you know. 633 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:35.519 Yeah, so I've heard similar adventures on the creek there. 634 00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.320 I found one and I poked it with a big 635 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:41.000 stick limb and it chopped down on the limb and 636 00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:42.920 I carried it all the way home with it hanging 637 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.039 on to that limb, and I took it and I 638 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.199 showed my mother. I said, look what I caught. And 639 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.400 she said, that's a snapping turtle. You get rid of that. 640 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.320 She said, if that gets a hold of you, it 641 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.719 won't let go until it here's thunder. I'd never heard 642 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.559 that either, but apparently, yeah, they've they've got a hell 643 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.239 of a bite and then they just will not. Like 644 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.960 I said, I carried the pull away to the turtle 645 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:03.199 on the end of that stick, and it was a 646 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:05.920 big old turtle. That was the only one I ever encountered. 647 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.960 But yeah, I wouldn't have returned the bank and tried 648 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.079 to grab all with my hand. 649 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.920 Oh god, No. I was like, well, you know what happens. 650 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.280 You're reaching out, He's gonna bite you, and he goes, nah, 651 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.159 he won't bite you, he said. He said, Uh, they 652 00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:20.599 go in head first. He said, they'll always go in 653 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.960 head first and they have to back out. I thought 654 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:24.840 about it for a minute. I thought, well, you know, 655 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.760 what what happens if the hole was big enough that 656 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:32.199 that turtle turned around there. And he kind of looked 657 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:33.920 at me and looked he looked out of the water. 658 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.280 Guy looked kind of close to me, and he said, well, son, 659 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.360 then you get back. And he pulled his hand up 660 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.079 and it was missing his three middle fingers on his 661 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:47.599 right hand, and it the bank just reaked out and 662 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:50.960 he was laughing, just cackling at the top of his lungs. 663 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.840 And I started to climb up and he apologized to me. 664 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:56.960 He said, I'm sorry, son. He said I couldn't resist, 665 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.880 you know, and just and he said, you know, that's 666 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.960 what happened to him. He got he got bit one time. 667 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.760 And he said, yeah, they ain't never do that much. 668 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.840 And sat there in the grass and kind of talked 669 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:12.639 to him and we had we had a nice conversation 670 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:17.119 for about probably ten minutes, I guess. And my mom 671 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:21.960 had this old kind of bronze dinner bell that was 672 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:27.719 hanging off the door on the back porch, and when 673 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:29.800 it was dinner, time, she would open the back door 674 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.159 and hit that thing. And I'm telling you, if I 675 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:34.000 was within a mile of the house, you heard that, 676 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.480 and that was like you to come home. I had 677 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.719 to come home for dinner. So that thing went off 678 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.320 and I looked back to the house and I told him, 679 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.320 I said, ma'am, that's my mom. I gotta you know, 680 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.119 I got she's called me for dinner. I gotta go. 681 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.800 And I said, you know, it's nice meeting you, and 682 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.639 he said, yeah, you better go. He said, you don't 683 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.199 want to get yourself in trouble and turned around and 684 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.400 started to run up the hill. And I hadn't gone 685 00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.800 maybe ten feet, and I stopped. I thought, you know what, 686 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.440 I don't know this guy's name. So I turned around 687 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.480 to tell it, to ask him, sir, what what's your name? 688 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.360 You know that's me yet? And there was nobody there. 689 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.639 It was he was gone, completely gone, and he'd been 690 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.760 standing in the creek. There was no way he could 691 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.000 have gotten out of that creek. I ran to the edge, 692 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.000 thinking maybe he's falling down the water or something. No, 693 00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.480 there was no sign of him. There was no ripples 694 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:34.400 in the water. It was he was just gone. I 695 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.519 think I stood there for about ten seconds and then 696 00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.000 I turned around and just ran for the house as 697 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:43.000 fast as I could. I was just freaked out and 698 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:46.800 got to the house, sat and got in the dinner table, 699 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.039 and you know, started trying to tell my mom what 700 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:50.440 was going on, and she was just like, yeah, what, 701 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.880 you know, you're okay. I don't have time for stories, 702 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.239 you know, just eat your dinner. Dad came home shortly thereafter, 703 00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:03.679 and I was telling him and he said something about it. 704 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.039 He heard noises. He said he'd heard that thumbing before, 705 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.559 but he didn't know what it was. Well after dinner 706 00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:10.880 he said, well, come on, i'll go down. I'll go 707 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.199 down the creek with you and well we'll see, you know, 708 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.880 we'll look around. So we went down there together. Didn't 709 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.280 see a thing, no sign whatsoever that he was over there. 710 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.800 That I ever saw anything. And that was those times 711 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.599 he said, well, you know, maybe that was something just 712 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:31.400 meant for you to see. Well, I looked a lot. 713 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.159 Over the next couple of weeks, I'd looked around the creek. 714 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.159 I'd listen to nothing. There were times I did hear 715 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.719 that thumping again. And one time, probably a couple months 716 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:42.800 after that, I was sitting on my back. We had 717 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.159 like a big concrete patio back there with a grille, 718 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:50.000 and it was a nice place to hang out. I 719 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.519 was sitting back there was my friend Brian across the street. 720 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.840 We're back there playing hot wheels, just you know, rolling 721 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:56.679 around army Man and hot wheels, just having a good 722 00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:01.360 old time back there. And I heard something coming up 723 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.719 that creek and he heard it too. I asked him, 724 00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:05.119 I said, do you hear that? He said, yeah, what 725 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.599 is that? I said, come on, and I grabbed and 726 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:11.559 took off running down that hillside, got this creek, started 727 00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:15.960 looking around. We heard it. We heard the something continue 728 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:17.960 all the way down to the creek. When we got 729 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.960 to it, it stopped, didn't near it again. We went 730 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.199 We probably walked from out down the creek on both 731 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:30.599 sides of the backs and never did see anything. But 732 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.159 he heard it. That to me, that that, you know, 733 00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:44.239 verified that I wasn't just nuts and vald. My room, Yeah, 734 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:48.360 my my bedroom was at the back of the house, 735 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.719 so it looked down onto the creek, and I had 736 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.360 I had wooden these red wooden shutters so you could 737 00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:58.400 close and lock and then pull the shutters kind of 738 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.599 you know, came upward, so you couldn't see out unless 739 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:04.920 I could see in. There were times, a couple of 740 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.679 times at night, late when I would be laying in 741 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:12.199 bed reading something, getting ready to doze off, not that 742 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.639 i'd hear that something down in the creek. Let me 743 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:18.559 tell you, every time I did after that, I may 744 00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:21.760 damn sure that my my window shutters were locked tight 745 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.480 and I did not look out, because if I did, 746 00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:27.519 I was I was afraid I looked down, he'd be 747 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:29.880 standing down there in front of you, just waving that 748 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:35.639 hand in my face and laughing. It's just but but 749 00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.800 that always that that kind of messes me up when 750 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.000 when they tell, you, know, you hear about about ghosts 751 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:46.239 not being able to cross running water, and that's a 752 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.000 that's a big thing. I mean, it seems to be 753 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.320 true in a lot of cases, but here this this 754 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.559 one was in the water. He was literally walking through 755 00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:05.159 the creek. It yeah, yeah, it was never forget that 756 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:06.920 for a game. I can. I can close my eyes 757 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.599 right now and just picture him, picture of the face 758 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:11.960 and everything about him as clear as it was that 759 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:22.000 day when I first saw him. Then that oh it 760 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:23.880 did it. I mean, he put them right up in 761 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.440 my face. And we just started laughing. Boy, it just 762 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:30.199 im falling back five feet. 763 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.320 And so that was the one off. You heard him 764 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.400 after that, but you never did see him again, Is 765 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:36.880 that correct? 766 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.199 Correct? I never never did, and and I looked there. 767 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.000 There were a few times during daylight hours when I 768 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:44.800 heard that noise and I'd run down there and look. 769 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.320 But I never did see him, never did, and never 770 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:54.440 never had the feeling that you're you're you're tuned to 771 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.599 it like I am. To some degree, and probably maybe more. 772 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.639 It's more than just a sight. You you feel it 773 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:09.239 when you're when you're close to something or there's something nearby, 774 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.320 your body is telling you that they're there. You know it. 775 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.880 It's an energy, At least with me, it's almost like 776 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:17.400 an electric charge. 777 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.400 Yeah, exactly. That's how I would describe it. Almost like 778 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.199 a just a creeping sensation that goes up your spine 779 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.920 or across your arms. But I can tell when I'm 780 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.960 in the presence of something strange or weird because I 781 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.000 get that prickling sensation. 782 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:35.039 Yep, yep. It starts, like to say, it's going up 783 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:36.719 the back of your neck, it's in my shoulders. I 784 00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.880 start shaking. It's almost just It's almost like I'm you know, 785 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:47.039 getting electrocuted, small degree and sure enough there'll be something 786 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:50.960 y' I'll see you here there or just no something, 787 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:57.119 something's there. Yeah, you can't get away from it. It's great. 788 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.519 I wouldn't want it any other way, you know. Some times, yeah, 789 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.440 it's annoying and frightening. I've been scared out of my 790 00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.519 wits before my stuff. But again, you know, those are 791 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.280 great memories. I wouldn't wouldn't want to not be scared 792 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:12.199 by stuff. I had something I couldn't see chase me 793 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.039 out of a ditch a couple of times. Uh, several 794 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.119 years apart, and years later, a weige aboard at a 795 00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.079 little house party i'd shown up at said that it 796 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.480 was a water spirit or a water spry, and uh. 797 00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:29.320 I went to the library, this is pre internet, looked 798 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.400 at up. Sure enough it was a type of elemental 799 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:38.159 that guards the water, a niad. And okay, and the 800 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.519 people at the party didn't know that story. I never 801 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:43.679 told it to anybody at that point besides my parents. 802 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:47.119 And yet these people working on the wage board, and 803 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.679 all I said was they were going around the room 804 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.880 asking people questions. I didn't know anybody at this little party, 805 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:54.960 except the guy was with it. I only knew him 806 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.079 from work and he didn't know the story. But when 807 00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:58.719 they got to me, I thought, I've got a good 808 00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.039 one for you. All said it was what scared me 809 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.400 as a child, for that incident in mind. And the 810 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:10.039 wigiboards built out sp r and they thought, oh, well, 811 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:12.599 it's thirsty, it wants a sprite, it wants something to drink. 812 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:14.800 But like I said, I filed that away. My next 813 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.719 day off, I went to the big library downtown and 814 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.199 asked the reference library and how can you tell me 815 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.000 about a water sprite for a water spirit? And that 816 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.639 was what she came up with. So there you go. 817 00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.480 According to the wijiboard, that's what I encountered. And it 818 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.400 wasn't like a little fairy, a little gossamer wing something. 819 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:33.920 First of all, I couldn't see it. It was affecting 820 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.320 the tree limbs a lot higher than my head. And 821 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:39.679 I could feel the ground shake when this thing came 822 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:41.960 up out of the ditch, leaves knocking up in its wake. 823 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:42.840 Wow. 824 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.280 And that was when I was I think seven or eight, 825 00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.079 And then right before we moved away from there, I 826 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.920 was fifteen at that time. I walked back up there. 827 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.280 I hadn't been there. I'd been near it, but not 828 00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.960 by myself. And I thought I was just kind of 829 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.239 walking around the old home place there because we were 830 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.960 we'd moved several miles up the highway to closer to 831 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:06.800 where I was going to go to high school. I 832 00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:08.800 was just kind of out revisiting my haunts. We had 833 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.400 twenty six acres out there in the country, so I 834 00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.599 had a lot of tree forts and stone circles and 835 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.239 places that I camped and cooked and stuff. I just 836 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.480 wanted to take the last look at that. And I 837 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.360 walked up to the edge of that ditch, Terry, and 838 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.159 I said, it's just to myself. I wonder what that 839 00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:27.639 was that scared me when I was a kid, and 840 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.800 I hadn't much more than got that thought out of 841 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.280 my head. I turned and started to walk away, and 842 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:34.599 I hear those leaves coming up out of the ditch again. 843 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.800 I turned around. Here's this thing that I can't see 844 00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:41.320 tearing out of the ditch after me. And I didn't 845 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.000 run screaming and crying into the house. I did when 846 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.199 I was eight years old, but I didn't waste any 847 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:48.519 time getting out of there. That's the last time I 848 00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.519 was there, that's been forty five years ago. I wonder 849 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.800 if it's still there and why had never bothered anybody 850 00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.280 but me? My bothered my brother both went up there, 851 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.760 looked around. They could see where something had broke the 852 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.000 tree limbs and kicked up in the leaves like was 853 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.400 it a bear? Was it a deer? No? I knew 854 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.920 what all those things were. And I even had a 855 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:12.599 friend of her one time, and I thought I'd use 856 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:14.639 him as bait. I had him go stand up next 857 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:16.840 to the ditch and I stayed down the hill in 858 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:18.239 a tree to go up there and look in the 859 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:20.719 ditch and see if you see anything. And he's up 860 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:24.119 there walking around, don't see nothing, So it didn't chase him. 861 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.960 And then I even tried that. I had him stand 862 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.199 down and I went up there. It didn't come out 863 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.840 that time, But whatever it was, it only got after 864 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:35.159 me when I was alone, and probably the second or 865 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.719 third most frightened I've ever been. Now, did you ever 866 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.559 have anything like that, anything that got after you? 867 00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.000 Yeah, Actually, just a couple of years ago, I had 868 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.599 some kind of weird thing going on here and I 869 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:53.880 still can't I can't describe or explain that it's been 870 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.159 a year two back on one of our one of 871 00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:01.440 our lunar know things that was going on at night 872 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:03.440 one night we had some kind of I don't know 873 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:07.159 if the clips it was a lunar eclips something like that. 874 00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:11.960 I like, I say, I'm I'm up all night. It was. 875 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:13.719 I was off for a couple of nights, middle of 876 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.679 the week. It was around the fourth of July again, 877 00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.280 and uh, this was this was really odd and I 878 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:26.320 still I don't know. It still bothers me. I was 879 00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.119 it was probably two in the morning, maybe somewhere around 880 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:35.079 that time one two everything. I think it was right 881 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:37.840 after the Fourth of pot because you know, everybody did 882 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.599 the fireworks and all that stuff. And I don't know, 883 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:46.199 but I remember I looked out my back window. My 884 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:49.000 back door is I've got two big doors that are 885 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:53.400 just glass, and I've got about five acres out there 886 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:55.840 that goes back into some woods. It's just a big 887 00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:00.480 open field thing goes back to the woods like a tree. 888 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:05.719 There are some houses on the sides, but in the 889 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:11.599 backs of the houses and whatnot, down probably almost to 890 00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:17.360 the end of my yard, right into my neighbor's property. 891 00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:22.119 I saw these images of these Uh, it was like 892 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.440 people that were just I want to say they were 893 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.280 almost It was like a bunch of people gathered around 894 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.079 a fire or something, and they were dancing around it, 895 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:36.599 just out there, and I'm thinking, Okay, what the hell 896 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:38.920 is this? You know, what we're doing? The morgue? What's 897 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.719 going on in my neighborhood? What that's new? People move 898 00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:46.199 in shortly before that, I'm thinking, Okay, what's what's going 899 00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:51.880 on with this group? But I noticed really quick that 900 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:57.599 they as they were circling this and I want to 901 00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:59.920 say a fire, but there was no light really come 902 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.159 from the center. They were illuminated and almost like a 903 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:07.280 fog like way, but they were. They were going in 904 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.800 a clockwise direction around this center section, and as they 905 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:14.719 would I would see them on the left of it. 906 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.280 And as they would go around, they would literally go 907 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:24.880 into like an outbuilding and through through it. They weren't 908 00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:29.239 avoiding it. They would disappear. And then I'm out the 909 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.280 other side and I'm looking at this thing, going, I'm 910 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.239 what the what the hell am I seeing? You know, 911 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:39.039 I'm I need to check this out. So I go outside, 912 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.760 you know, I quietly kind of open the door and 913 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:44.159 go out and kind of go around my I've got 914 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:45.920 a big pool out there. I kind of go around 915 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.920 the pool and get to I've got a building out there. 916 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.920 It's also the man cave. I get to the side 917 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.400 of that and I'm watching it and it's just they're 918 00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.159 still continuing. They're just going on. I'm not hearing a thing, 919 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:03.320 absolutely nothing. So I stepped out from the house a 920 00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:06.280 little bit from the building, got maybe ten feet out 921 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:09.119 of the yard, and all of a sudden, the group 922 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:12.800 of them just stopped and then just started coming at 923 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.760 me fast. And I'm telling you what. I turned around 924 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.960 and I just ran like hell to the house, got 925 00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.719 the house, slammed the door shut, pulled the blinds down, 926 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:24.480 and then just went into another room and get away 927 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.280 from the door. Ten minutes out so that I come 928 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.400 back and I'm looking out the door, you know, kind 929 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.440 of peeking around nothing. Nothing, you know. I I'm not 930 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:39.599 going out. I'm just looking because it was back whatever. 931 00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.039 I had a really bad feeling about whatever this was, 932 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.119 that was this group of whatever. 933 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:45.159 Jason. 934 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:50.280 Probably twenty minutes after that, I'm going back and forth, 935 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.519 back and forth to the door to the you know, 936 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.960 in the house. It starts again. I see it going 937 00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:00.000 on again, went out a second time, same thing happened, 938 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:04.239 But I came in the house that thing, and I 939 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.280 did not go back toward the door of the rest 940 00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:07.880 of the night. I still to this day, I have 941 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.360 no idea what's going on. I mean, I'm almost picturing 942 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:13.840 some kind of like Indian ritual thing or something, but 943 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.760 I don't know. I don't know, but I know it 944 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.559 wasn't good. And they they there was definitely a connection there. 945 00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:23.079 I mean, they they they knew I was there, and 946 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:24.880 they did not like it, and they were coming for 947 00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:29.960 that was that was, I mean, I just that was scared. 948 00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:34.840 The yeah, did they did whatever it was, you know, 949 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.039 and it was a bunch of six or seventh that's 950 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:38.800 six or seven. 951 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.079 Back in the seventies, there was an old Peter Fonda 952 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.599 movie called Race with the Devil where they were out 953 00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.719 things at a campground or a national park that they 954 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.280 came across a bunch of cultists doing some sort of 955 00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:53.239 ritual and then got chased. And that's supposedly based on 956 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:56.000 a true story. So yeah, things like that happened. 957 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.800 Wow, this was I don't get that kind of feeling that. 958 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.039 I mean, I don't think it was if it was 959 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.320 called this, it was it was from way back. I 960 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.519 mean they were they weren't. They weren't solid. It wasn't 961 00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.440 It wasn't like a you know, I could tell that. 962 00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:13.920 It was almost at first. I wasn't even screw I 963 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:15.960 was seeing it. I mean it's just like, Okay, my 964 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:19.679 eyes aren't that great. But you know, am I d 965 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.119 a projection of something and somebody watching a movie out 966 00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.480 there or something and the like showing you know, on 967 00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.840 the side of a U one of the buildings or something. 968 00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:31.559 It was that they weren't corporal, Let's put it that way. 969 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:33.800 You could tell there were there were there was a 970 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:38.000 misty quality about them. But yeah, I did not want 971 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.199 any I did not want that or an interaction, and 972 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:43.800 they weren't happy. I know that I could feel that. 973 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.559 And you mentioned through the really don't that's a hint 974 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:52.559 that they weren't uh corporal, that they were some sort 975 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:53.119 of etheric. 976 00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:59.440 Yeah, there's there's a lot of weird stuff around here. 977 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.599 I live right next door to an old h It 978 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:04.920 was an old school that was abandoned. It was kind 979 00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.039 of refurbished restored into into a house years ago, but 980 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.480 then hadn't been lived in. It sat there abandoned for 981 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:14.079 probably thirty years. There's a lot of weird stuff over 982 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:18.559 there too. I see a little girl. The whole vice 983 00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:22.559 was like surrounded by really tall pine trees. You almost 984 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:24.519 couldn't see it from my house, so you could see 985 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.800 it from the road. And we'd always we'd always see 986 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:30.519 things going on over there. I mean we'd kind of 987 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.400 you could kind of look certain times that you could 988 00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:38.320 see to the house. It was always a weird thing 989 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:41.920 that one summer I remember seeing. It's really odd. It 990 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:45.480 was almost like a recording of You could at night, 991 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.719 a certain time of night, you could look in through 992 00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:49.880 the trees into this window and you would see someone 993 00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.639 coming down some stairs. They'd turn around and then they'd 994 00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:56.719 run back up the stairs. But there's no stairs there. 995 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.000 There was no stairs in that room. But it just 996 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.800 it continued. It would just go on and on and 997 00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:08.119 on h hours. I remember my son out there, who 998 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.360 was pretty young at the time, and had him watching it. 999 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.440 I'm like, you see that. He goes, yeah, somebody's probably 1000 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.199 watching to you or something like something. Nobody nobody lives there, 1001 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:18.880 you know they're there. The electricity was on. There was 1002 00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:20.880 always electric in that place because certain lights would come 1003 00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:25.239 on at certain times. It was odd. I remember going. 1004 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:28.159 I'd spend a lot of hours kind of over nearby. 1005 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.639 But during the day there were there were times I 1006 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.599 remember I'd be out mowing the front yard, I'd done 1007 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:39.599 my riding door, and there was I'd see this little 1008 00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.079 girl standing in the in the bushes, kind of in 1009 00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:44.599 the trees, just watching me, holding this little teddy bear, 1010 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.760 just kind of watching wearing this like in a yellow dress. 1011 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:51.800 And I figured it was an irritat or something. I 1012 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.840 don't know. You know, well, I'd seen her quite a 1013 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:58.119 few times, and then at one point I thought, well, 1014 00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.599 you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna least say hi. I mean, 1015 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.599 she's she's always standing there watching me. I stopped them 1016 00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:09.559 more probably thirty or forty feet away, asked, and got 1017 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.639 off and started walking through him. I got within about 1018 00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:14.280 ten feet of where she just disappeared into the trees, 1019 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.760 didn't move, just like faded away. At that point I 1020 00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:23.440 knew what I was looking at, But there there's not 1021 00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:25.079 a lot of weird things going on over there. Just 1022 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.639 about two years ago, maybe maybe a year year and 1023 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.840 a half, some people finally bought the place I know 1024 00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:32.760 it was really the story got because I had talked 1025 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.440 neighbors about it and asked them about it when we 1026 00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:35.840 first moved in, and they said, no, you know, no 1027 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.559 one's ever lived there. The history that we they told 1028 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:44.840 us was that this pilot had bought it. I had recently 1029 00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:48.679 gotten the worst. I guess this back in the sixties, 1030 00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:53.199 maybe the early seventies on place and renovated it. Had 1031 00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.599 it made up, you know, where he was going to 1032 00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:58.079 live there, and he had a girlfriend and they were 1033 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:00.760 going to move into it, and then he got killed 1034 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.599 in a car and I guess the girlfriend inherited the 1035 00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:11.840 place but never lived there, so it just sat unused 1036 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.719 for all these years. Then about a year or so back, 1037 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.239 she must have passed away, because the place got sold 1038 00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:23.119 and started doing some renovations. And man, when they did, 1039 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:24.920 I'm telling you what they were just there was all 1040 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:26.199 kinds of activity go on. 1041 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:29.599 Yeah, Nicole had reminded me, and a lot of it 1042 00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:31.800 was coming to ask you to tell the story about 1043 00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:34.199 the house that was having renovations. That must be it 1044 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:36.000 that you're in the middle of right there. 1045 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:41.920 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, they didn't live there when they were renovating. 1046 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:43.719 They would they would were redoing it, and they would 1047 00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:45.159 come work for a few hours during the day and 1048 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.840 then leave. So they did that for about three months 1049 00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:52.119 before anybody finally moved in and activity picked up big 1050 00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:56.800 time over here. You know, they they knew there was 1051 00:56:56.840 --> 00:57:00.280 a connection. I mean I I had connected with with her, 1052 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:04.119 and there's a couple of other things over there. We 1053 00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:06.960 mutually knew that we existed, let's put it that way. 1054 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.480 And I don't know if you've encountered this or not, 1055 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:18.039 but it's been my experience that when you run into 1056 00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:22.360 a cognizant entity that that is not just an image 1057 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:27.039 that's you know, a video that's repeating itself, with something 1058 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:32.960 that's actually there. When they know that you know there, 1059 00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:38.920 they will earn their attention towards you. They will continue 1060 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:44.679 to try to get your attention or I don't know, 1061 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:49.360 just in some cases, I think they're looking for help, 1062 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:52.360 and they are I should say, I shouldn't say I 1063 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:54.360 think they are. I know that help. 1064 00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:57.639 There's a reason where they're trying to get your attention. 1065 00:57:57.719 --> 00:57:57.960 Help. 1066 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.440 We've got some friends that just bought an old house 1067 00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:05.719 in Connecticut, and the day they started renovations, the place 1068 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:09.719 went nuts. They've got a doorbell that's totally disconnected that 1069 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.440 that rings. They've heard knocks at the door, as Harry, 1070 00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.719 they captured something on their doorbell camera. It looks like 1071 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:20.599 a snowstorm outside, but there's no wind blowing. It wasn't 1072 00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.679 raining that night. It wasn't leaves. I don't know what 1073 00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:27.000 it was. I showed it to a paranormalist friend of mine, Cisco, 1074 00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.119 and she said, it's energy that they've opened up some 1075 00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:33.440 kind of energy vortex there and all these things that 1076 00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:35.800 are coming through. They're upset because the house is being 1077 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:36.360 messed with. 1078 00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:45.320 Right fully believe it. We had some motion detector cameras 1079 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.599 outside our place for a while. I was kind of 1080 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.159 checking on some stuff and it still kills me. We 1081 00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.400 My wife called me orc one night. Was just freaking 1082 00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:58.039 out about these people that were in the yard. You know, 1083 00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:01.000 they were around the house. There was this older couple. 1084 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:03.159 They were in the backyard, they were you know, all 1085 00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:06.320 these She she'd seen these these shots and I got 1086 00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:09.920 home and pulled them up and started looking at them 1087 00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:13.119 and they were real faded. It wasn't there was no 1088 00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:16.079 these were ghosts. It was clear to me that these 1089 00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:19.599 were ghosts. She's like, no, you know how I figured 1090 00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.280 maybe that it was just taking you know, that it 1091 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.400 was taking images or pictures every so often, so it 1092 00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:28.519 only caught them, you know, small images of them. I'm like, no, 1093 00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:34.719 that's not how it works. Yeah, okay, give me a 1094 00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:43.119 second year. But uh, to my great horror and dismay, 1095 00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.719 we had we lost the pictures we had. There was 1096 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.559 probably a doz really good ones, and uh they were 1097 00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.239 we didn't save them. They were on whatever cloud this 1098 00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:59.119 was with the service we were using. And uh, like 1099 00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:00.960 a week later if we didn't say that they were 1100 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:07.079 gone and they went. So it's still I still got it. Still, 1101 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.039 it still bothers me a lot that we don't have those. 1102 01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:11.840 But yeah, there was an older couple, clear as day, 1103 01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:13.280 just kind of looking around. 1104 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:14.760 It had been the. 1105 01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.440 Yard was getting kind of bad. I'll have to say 1106 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.079 that our mower had died and I was I had 1107 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:20.800 I had hired a service to come in. They hadn't 1108 01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:22.320 been there for about two weeks and the yard was 1109 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.920 getting looking really bad. And honestly, these people were standing 1110 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:26.800 out and they are looking at the grass and stuff, 1111 01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:29.000 looking like, hmm, what's wrong. 1112 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:29.639 With these people? 1113 01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:33.239 Well, you know, why aren't they bowing the grass they were. 1114 01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:35.800 They looked like they were not happy with us. But 1115 01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.960 that was freaky that that was a freaky issue too. 1116 01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.039 We've had all kinds of weird things going on around here. 1117 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.719 There's a there'sn't always something that I'm not going to 1118 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.519 really go into here that has not been good. But 1119 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.320 it's been around for several years, and I think the 1120 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:59.800 result of we We had this old mirror that priest's mom, 1121 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.079 my wife's mom had given us years back when she 1122 01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:05.480 passed away, and I'm not sure where she got it. 1123 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.519 It was just like a piece of mirror, great big 1124 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:12.039 thing to of those people that went to all kinds 1125 01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.519 of auctions and you know, sales and collected like everything 1126 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:20.079 in the world. But we had one night, it was 1127 01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:23.320 on a weekend. I was I had spent the night 1128 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:24.920 out in the man cave kind of doing some stuff, 1129 01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.280 and she came out and spent that night out there. 1130 01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:30.159 When we came in the next morning, and that mirror 1131 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:33.280 was just all over the floor, just completely shattered into 1132 01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.360 just a million pieces. I don't know if the cat's 1133 01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:38.880 knocked it off or what, but as soon as that happened, 1134 01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.519 things geared up in this house, and not in a 1135 01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:47.360 good way, and it's it's subsided quite a bit over 1136 01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:49.719 the last few years. I've kind of learned how to 1137 01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:54.960 deal with it. I will say, take its power, but 1138 01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:58.960 it's it's still here. And I've tried everything in the 1139 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:04.199 world to get this thing gone. Miss it's not leaving. 1140 01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:08.599 It's not so bad right now. Though, as I say, 1141 01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:11.639 I've learned how to I think I've learned how to 1142 01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:15.840 deal with it. How it's it's not been an issue 1143 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:16.800 for quite a while. 1144 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.440 But yeah, caused all kinds of a check there. It 1145 01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.639 sounds like saving a sage or smudge or I lived 1146 01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:27.159 in a place one time where there was words like 1147 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.639 bubbling up out of the paint in the bathroom, and 1148 01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:35.679 I put, at a pastor's recommendation, I put the Bible 1149 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.360 on a laptop and set that in there and let 1150 01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:41.400 that play twenty four hours a day. And that seemed 1151 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.119 to quiet and down, fighting it down whatever it was. 1152 01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.719 But that was a weird place as an old house 1153 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:51.920 in Portland and probably from the played eighteen hundreds early 1154 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:52.920 nineteen I tried. 1155 01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:59.039 I've tried the sage smudge. I've where I'm the property 1156 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:01.480 of the house, so I turned all that stuff there 1157 01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:05.360 was one, one particular time that really got me. This 1158 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:09.079 is when it was going really strong. I'd come home 1159 01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.960 from work, and my son went to school. My wife 1160 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:14.960 headed off to work, so I was alone in the house. 1161 01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:19.360 I went into the bathroom and got in a shower. 1162 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:22.599 Taking a shower. You know, I've got like one of 1163 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:25.760 those glass crystal life kind of sliding doors that you 1164 01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.199 know you can't see through real well, but you can 1165 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:36.119 see through. I was washing my hair, rinsed my face off, 1166 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.320 opened my eyes, started to turn around and there was 1167 01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:42.760 clear as a bell, this woman standing right on the 1168 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.719 other side of the glass, staring right at me. And 1169 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:47.960 let me tell you, I screamed like a little girl. 1170 01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.239 I probably jumped two feet airs, let out a scream, 1171 01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:54.119 threw my head back under the water that washed the 1172 01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:55.519 rest of the soap out of my face, opened my 1173 01:03:55.519 --> 01:04:04.880 eyes and there was nothing there. That well, it's free. Yeah, yeah. 1174 01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:07.800 I don't like those like hello, you know, turn around 1175 01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:09.920 the corner and there's something, or you're go into the 1176 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.760 bathroom in the middle of the night and look up 1177 01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.480 and there's something behind you in the mirror. That's that's 1178 01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:20.840 not fun. That's never fun. I I don't know. We 1179 01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.960 as I say it hasn't been so bad lately. I 1180 01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:31.840 it's it's hard to do, but it almost I have 1181 01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:37.079 to say. They draw their power by you and your emotions. 1182 01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:42.760 Your emotions are definitely an energy drain for them that 1183 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:48.079 they pull from it. The more you can ignore it 1184 01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:56.880 or step away from it and not get emotionally involved 1185 01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:02.840 with what's happening, last power they have. I firmly hear that. 1186 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:05.119 That's that's probably been my saving grace here. 1187 01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.320 Yeah, and fear is such a base human emotions, and 1188 01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.239 I think they feed up that. That's why they they 1189 01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:14.159 try to scare you. There's a Clive Barker story. It's 1190 01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:16.000 in Books of Blood. I think it's called the Demon 1191 01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.840 and uh it was a pixel story, but he talked 1192 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.880 about an investation for this thing. Tried every way in 1193 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:25.079 the world to the devil this guy and get his 1194 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.920 attentions up, and he just ignored it, and that that 1195 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:29.159 drove the demon crazy. 1196 01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:30.679 M hm. 1197 01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:33.239 Hmm. Yeah. 1198 01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:37.719 That that's that's pretty much my that's my my philosophy 1199 01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.039 or my my workings of it. Sometimes I'll be sitting 1200 01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:42.519 here at night you all my days off, I'll be 1201 01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:45.960 watching a movie at night and not I'll see see 1202 01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.320 her clear as a bell, walk by the doorway, you know, 1203 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:53.280 the open hallway, and I just it's I see it 1204 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:55.360 on the corner of my eye, and that's what stays. 1205 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:58.280 I'll just sit there and start reciting something in my 1206 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:02.440 head or you know, plants, music or doing something just 1207 01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:06.559 totally completely ignore it and it seems to fade quickly. 1208 01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:10.480 I've got a few cats around the house too, and 1209 01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:13.199 they they're really good at letting you know when something's 1210 01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:16.920 something's up. You know, as well as you're feeling that 1211 01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:21.000 that energy that's starting the electrical starts, letting you know 1212 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:23.280 something's there. The cats are really good at letting you 1213 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:27.440 know there's something, there's something coming. You know. They'll come 1214 01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.320 over and start, you know, almost like protecting you, like 1215 01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:33.320 you know, walking around your feet, standing, jumping up in 1216 01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:36.599 your lap, kind of looking off and in a certain 1217 01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:43.079 directions and you know you know something's there. Yeah they're good, 1218 01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:43.960 a little watchdog. 1219 01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:47.320 Yeah, yeah they are. Then I've seen that before where 1220 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:50.280 they were watching something that you can't see, but there's 1221 01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:54.320 definitely something going on that they're tuned into. And now 1222 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.440 I've had experiences with the animals that have passed on. 1223 01:06:57.800 --> 01:06:59.719 I went and spent the night with a friend of 1224 01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.760 mine one time, and I slept in the spare bedroom 1225 01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.519 and I felt the cat come in, hop up on 1226 01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:09.039 the bed and curl up down at my feet. And 1227 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.320 the next morning I got up, he was cooking breakfast 1228 01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:13.199 for us, and I said, if you were looking for 1229 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:16.000 your cat last night, it came in the the spare 1230 01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.480 room with me and slept in there. And he's like, stave, 1231 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:21.320 he said, that cat's been dead for three years. He said, 1232 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:23.440 But but I feel the same thing, he said, I 1233 01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:25.480 feel it, per I feel it get on the bed, 1234 01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:27.920 I feel it brush up against my leg in the darkness. 1235 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.679 He said, there is no cat here. 1236 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:34.679 Anymore, at least not in it's actual form. You you 1237 01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:39.480 ever had any experience with the animal ghosts? Oh, oh, yeah, 1238 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:40.559 exactly that I've got. 1239 01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.599 I've got. I've lost a lot of cats through the years. 1240 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:46.760 I'm here in some other spots and there there's definitely 1241 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:48.840 a couple of them rooming around here. I'll get that 1242 01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:52.840 exact intimation. I'll be, you know, walking through the house 1243 01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:56.039 at night or anytime during the day, and you're sitting there, 1244 01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:57.519 all of a sudden, I'll feel one of them, you know, 1245 01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.239 kind of rushing against my ankles or something. I'll reach 1246 01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:02.360 down to bed thinking it's that. I'm thinking it's one 1247 01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:04.320 of the few that I have here, and there's nothing there. 1248 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:07.639 I look over and my cats are sleeping on the 1249 01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:11.119 sofa over there or something, and it's like okay, and 1250 01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:13.559 on the bed and I do. You'll you'll feel them 1251 01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:17.319 sometimes you'll be laying there and you'll feel them jump 1252 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:20.760 up and then just curl up and even actually hear 1253 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.920 the per I've heard that that purfore And no, there's nothing. 1254 01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:29.439 There's nothing there. There's you know, nothing, nothing physical. And 1255 01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:32.159 I want to lead you know there, you're your family. 1256 01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:34.319 They're uh there. They love you and you love them, 1257 01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:38.000 and they're there for you and they stick around. 1258 01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:41.560 Now there. There's a couple other stories of yours that 1259 01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.640 I have narrated that have gotten just a tremendous response, 1260 01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:47.319 and not only is it the tale, but the way 1261 01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:50.000 it's written. You're a fantastic writer. And speaking of you 1262 01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:51.479 and I are going to be doing a book together 1263 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:55.680 here shortly. I'm looking forward to that collaboration. But one 1264 01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.880 of the most popular stories ever, as am I thirteen 1265 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:04.199 past Midnight, is the story of Jimmy. You want to 1266 01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:06.920 touch on that one, just briefly for a radio audience here. 1267 01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:11.119 Yeah, i'd be I'd be happy to do. And thank 1268 01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:13.560 you for those kind words. I I I appreciate that. 1269 01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:17.960 I uh. Well, when I write, I really try to. 1270 01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:22.960 It's it's almost like a picture. I try to. I 1271 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:27.840 really try to remember everything that happened in every moment 1272 01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:32.000 of those encounters, and it's almost like painting a picture. 1273 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:32.479 I want to. 1274 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:34.920 I want to lay everything out and let let you 1275 01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:40.239 see the the surrounding area and what's you know what 1276 01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:42.760 I want you to put, put you in my spot. 1277 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.800 And I try my best to do that. And it's 1278 01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.520 easy to do to a point because I those encounters 1279 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:55.399 are they stayed with you. Everything is so clear. I 1280 01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:59.319 mean you can remember everything from you know, what you 1281 01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:02.399 had for lunch, to the feeling in the air, the 1282 01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:07.920 color of the leaves, everything around you. Jimmy, Jimmy was 1283 01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:13.319 a special guy when I was When I was really young, 1284 01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:15.680 I was just out of out of high school. I 1285 01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:19.119 started working for this photo lab down in Cincinnati, and 1286 01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:21.079 I was I was doing everything for him, but mainly 1287 01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:26.399 running deliveries. At first, we had a lot of commercial 1288 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:29.479 accounts downtown, so I was always running downtown. We we 1289 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:34.960 were out of Walnut Hills to maybe five miles out 1290 01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:37.760 of down, but I'd be running downtown two three times 1291 01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:41.079 a day. Well, there was one building on Fifth Street 1292 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.760 that I used to go to and I remember going in. 1293 01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:50.680 First time I went in there was when I walked 1294 01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:52.520 in the bottom and went down there and there was 1295 01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:55.279 there was an old elevator. One of the old hands 1296 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:58.960 operated elevators and I experienced those before. There was one 1297 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.239 over on the other town that I dealt with that 1298 01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:03.399 he was walking in. You had to run it by yourself, 1299 01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:06.720 which was kind of fun actually, you know, you try 1300 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:08.680 to get that. You started and pull the lever down. 1301 01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:11.439 It would go up, and you know, pull it back 1302 01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:14.000 and it would stop and back and forth, back and 1303 01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:15.920 forth until I finally got into a point I could 1304 01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:21.640 step out of it. But this one had an operator. 1305 01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:24.520 There was this old guy and his name was Jimmy, 1306 01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.479 and he had been in that place for many, many years. 1307 01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:32.239 He started working there as a kid back in maybe 1308 01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:35.439 at thirties, I guess, and he was an old man 1309 01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:39.439 at this point, but big, jovial, nice guy. The elevator 1310 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:42.199 it was, it was. It was open in the front 1311 01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:46.399 except for like a half door. It was like a 1312 01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:50.319 red crushed the velvet everywhere in this elevator. But you 1313 01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:56.319 almost couldn't see the the walls because of everything that 1314 01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:59.840 was in there Jimmy had. It was like his personal 1315 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:04.720 trying he had collected. He had photographs and pins and 1316 01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:09.680 buttons and ribbons and and everything in the world you 1317 01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:13.600 could imagine just into the walls, ceiling, everything in that 1318 01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:14.199 in there. 1319 01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:15.159 It was. 1320 01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:22.760 It was amazing into that Uh walked in, introduced himself 1321 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:24.039 and told me who he was and asked me where 1322 01:12:24.039 --> 01:12:25.399 I needed to go, and I said, you know, I 1323 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.640 need to go up to the fifth floor. He invited 1324 01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:31.600 me in, started talking to me and started showing me 1325 01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:34.880 some of the things and in his UH, in his elevator, 1326 01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:39.600 in his little world, just the nicest guy you'd ever 1327 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.800 wanted me. And you know, we'd get to the fifth floor. 1328 01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:45.680 He opened the door for me and tell me, showed 1329 01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:49.720 me where to go, and I'd head down there, do 1330 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:52.359 my business, you know, hand off my stuff, come back 1331 01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:55.359 and have another conversation with me on the way down. 1332 01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:57.399 And I just really liked him. It was just a 1333 01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:04.600 really really nice person of wy the ovial individual through 1334 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:07.239 the year or so when I was down there, he'd 1335 01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:08.960 you know, I'd come back every other week or so, 1336 01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:12.119 and you know, he would always regal me with with 1337 01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.680 stories about the things in his elevator. I remember he 1338 01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.640 had a picture of him with one of the Reds pictures. 1339 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:21.119 Got the name escapes me right now, but he had 1340 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:26.039 thrown back to back no hitters for the Reds Maloney, 1341 01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:31.159 I think, I don't know, it's been a while, but 1342 01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:33.600 it was a picture of Jimmy and younger standing with him, 1343 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:35.319 and you know, it was signed, and he was telling 1344 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:38.880 me all about that. And he had other pictures of 1345 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.079 of him with Pete Rose and you know, Johnny Bench 1346 01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:46.000 and just other people. And he loved his Reds well, 1347 01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:47.840 had all of red stuff from there. He was a 1348 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:54.279 big Reds as I was too, and still am. But 1349 01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:58.119 he was very proud of everything in there. I remember 1350 01:13:58.119 --> 01:13:59.359 he had to hate one of the things. He had 1351 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:01.279 a picture of of him at one of the at 1352 01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:03.520 the World Fare in Chicago, and I forget the year, 1353 01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:08.319 but I remember the picture was like a big tire. 1354 01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:11.039 It looked like great, big, like videer tire or something, 1355 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.760 but it was a ferris wheel. And he told me 1356 01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:15.359 he got to ride on that and it was it 1357 01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:19.199 was really cool. It was like a postcard anyway, So 1358 01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:24.960 got to know him. He would drop me off. Every 1359 01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:28.199 every time I would get up on the floor, I'd 1360 01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.239 go out the door. I'd go out the elevator and 1361 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:35.279 turn left and head down toward what was a big 1362 01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:38.119 There's a huge glass window at the end of the 1363 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:41.359 of the hallway with a little bench and an old 1364 01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:46.760 radiator there. Well, the door I went was on the left, 1365 01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:50.520 right before you got to the window, probably hand feet 1366 01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:52.800 away from it. And every time I go i'd hit 1367 01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:55.159 in the hallway. Jimmy'd say that he had told me. 1368 01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:57.399 He said, you know, be careful when you go down there, 1369 01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:02.239 stay away from the window. And h He'd say, it's 1370 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:06.319 not safe. Okay, you know, So I'd go down. I'd 1371 01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:10.079 go into the office and do my thing and come out, 1372 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:13.279 head back down, and you know, and down we go. 1373 01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.520 Over the the months and in the year, we got 1374 01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:20.439 to know each other and have discussions. Every single time 1375 01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:22.720 I walk out of that elevator on the fifth floor, 1376 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:29.520 he would say, stay away from that window. It's not safe. Well, 1377 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:32.880 there was one particular day going down there. It was 1378 01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:38.279 late in the afternoon raining, parential rain coming down and 1379 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:41.479 find a place to park in Cincinnati's not easy sometimes, 1380 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:43.680 especially during the day. You got to park blocks and 1381 01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:47.199 blocks away. You have to drive around and start trying. 1382 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:50.079 You can just pull in and park real quick and 1383 01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:52.880 then just run to where you go. So I ended 1384 01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:54.520 up parking a couple of blocks away, I think, and 1385 01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:57.239 I took off rain through the rain, got through the rain, 1386 01:15:57.279 --> 01:15:59.840 and you know, ducked underneath all the aunings as I could. 1387 01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:06.880 Got to the building and uh when and Jimmy was 1388 01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:09.479 there and uh, you know, said hello. And as you 1389 01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:11.760 went into the elevator, it was actually there was like 1390 01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:16.520 a snack bar behind you that where they sold you know, 1391 01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:20.800 cigarettes and candy and whatever. It was like a big 1392 01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:25.039 high bar and there was occasionally there was a guy 1393 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:27.439 standing back there, but I never really got to know 1394 01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:30.800 him at the time because I was in and out. 1395 01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:35.960 Jimmy was like the only one I really talked to. Anyway. 1396 01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:38.800 I went down there and and got in the elevator 1397 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.479 and hided Jimmy, you know, waters and I've got I'm 1398 01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:46.119 soaking wet. He just automatically, you know, shuts the door 1399 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:47.880 and brings me up to the fifth floor. He knows 1400 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.640 where I needed to go, asking me how I was, 1401 01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:53.760 and uh, he would always wait for me as as 1402 01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:55.560 we would get out of you know, i'd get out 1403 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:56.960 of the elevator and head down there and he would 1404 01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.239 just wait there for me to get my business done 1405 01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:04.039 and come back and want to committed. Well. On that day, 1406 01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:07.800 and we got to the top and I stepped out 1407 01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:10.960 and there was another a ding, like a you know, 1408 01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:13.920 from the elevator that went off, and Jimmy stepped back 1409 01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:16.720 in and kind of looked up something. There were like 1410 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:22.439 buttons on the the elevator inside, and he said, oh, 1411 01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:24.520 I've got to go. He said, that's somebody somebody else 1412 01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:28.439 needing needing me. I'll be right back. So he got in, 1413 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:33.600 closed the door and took off, and wow, I'm going 1414 01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:38.039 chills on the back of the end about this. I 1415 01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:40.720 went down and went in and got rid of my 1416 01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:43.239 you know package, and I came out and Jimmy still 1417 01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:45.560 went there. So I was kind of hanging out and 1418 01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:50.039 went and I walked over toward the window kind of 1419 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:56.079 carefully because I know it wasn't safe. I got there 1420 01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:58.600 and there was like, you know, there's one of the old, big, 1421 01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:01.159 old radiator, you know, like they used to have to 1422 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:03.119 heat things. I don't think it was even in use 1423 01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:05.359 at that point, but it was more of a decoration probably, 1424 01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:08.079 but it was, you know, it was still there, big 1425 01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:11.119 wooden't bench sitting next to it, and then this huge 1426 01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:15.399 glass window, and I kind of got up to it 1427 01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:18.079 and I'm looking out and I'm watching the rain and 1428 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:20.479 you know, seeing the city and people are running around, 1429 01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:23.920 cars going by down below. Brain was just coming down 1430 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:27.960 and I'm looking at this window. I thought, you know, 1431 01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.199 what's not safe about it? Because it seems pretty solid. 1432 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:35.359 There's no way to open it. It was just solid black, 1433 01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:41.880 like sealed into the into the side of the wall. Well, 1434 01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:44.199 I looked down and there was another hallway that went 1435 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.479 on down to the right, so I kind of walked 1436 01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:49.199 down that a little ways and looked there was another 1437 01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:51.920 officer too down there, but nothing, nothing going on, no 1438 01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:56.159 one in the hallway. So I walked back up and 1439 01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:59.720 again looked out the window. Nothing, you know, just raining 1440 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:02.319 And thought to myself, that's it's kind of weird. I 1441 01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:05.439 wonder why he always says it's not safe. And I 1442 01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:09.119 started to kind of slowly walk back toward the elevator. 1443 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:15.560 And suddenly there was there was a bright light burst 1444 01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:19.319 of lightning, followed by a crack, a really loud crack, 1445 01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:24.920 and right after the flash hit, I turned around to 1446 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:35.199 look toward the window. Wow, it's yeah, I'm getting the chills, 1447 01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:38.640 clear as a bell. I can see it now as 1448 01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:40.359 clearly as I could see it then. 1449 01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:45.439 And it sounds like that's the way I do with 1450 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.439 some of my especially my back eyed kids encounter I 1451 01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:50.439 relived that every time I tell it. It's almost like 1452 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:51.880 ptsd WI. 1453 01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:58.840 Yeah it is. I looked down. I turned around and 1454 01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:02.039 there was a girl standing then, kind of with her 1455 01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:07.359 knees bent on that bench, wearing blue dress, looked like 1456 01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:10.199 an older blue dress, and she looked at me and 1457 01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:13.359 looked me dead in the eye. I mean I we 1458 01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:18.159 locked eyes, and she she had this horrible, frightened look 1459 01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:21.840 on her face, and she turned her head and went 1460 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:26.760 out that window. And I was frozen for maybe a second, 1461 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:30.439 and then I went running toward it. And when I 1462 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:33.720 got to the window, I actually threw my head toward 1463 01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:35.760 it because I wanted I was trying to look out, 1464 01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:37.920 and I didn't have this in the story, but I 1465 01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:40.359 slung my head against that glass. Man, it knocked me. 1466 01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:43.239 I hit it so hard. There was no way anybody 1467 01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:45.920 could go through that glass. There was no way anybody 1468 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:49.279 went out that window. It was solid. I mean it 1469 01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:51.680 was solid. It was like a double pane of solid, 1470 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:55.560 thick glass. I had said before, and I still think 1471 01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:57.640 that if I had had a cinder block, I could 1472 01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.399 have thrown it at that window and it probably wouldn't broke. 1473 01:21:02.279 --> 01:21:06.720 And there was nothing. He wasn't down there. There was 1474 01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:12.720 I have. I was just in shock, complete shock, and 1475 01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:14.560 I was freaking out, trying to figure out what what 1476 01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:14.880 do I do? 1477 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:15.319 What do I do? 1478 01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:19.119 Would she go? What happened? And about that time I 1479 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:23.760 heard this thing behind me, And before I could turn around, 1480 01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:29.319 I heard Jimmy running down that hallway. I didn't know 1481 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:32.520 a man that they could ever move his fabo. Next 1482 01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:34.439 thing I knew, he had his hand on my shoulder 1483 01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:39.720 and was pulling me back toward that elevator. Du pulled 1484 01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:46.359 me into it, and I'm just just I don't remember 1485 01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:49.479 what exactly if I said anything at that point, but 1486 01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:52.840 he pulled me back in, shut the door, hit the 1487 01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:54.960 hit the lever to go towards the bottom, and then 1488 01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.840 just started shaking on me, shaking my shoulder going Terry. 1489 01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:03.800 He just going, hey, hey, hey, you know, and about 1490 01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:06.039 halfway down, I think he stopped. He just stopped it 1491 01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:09.399 in the middle of some floors. And it was about 1492 01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:12.520 that time that I came back to my senses. It 1493 01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:14.920 was like I suddenly I was just able to talk 1494 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.880 and everything, and I started I started telling him really fast, 1495 01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:20.560 just whether it was a girl up there and somebody 1496 01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:22.479 jump have the window. Remember now, I'm just going and going, 1497 01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:25.560 and he's going, Terry carry, It's okay, it's great, Terry stop, 1498 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:30.960 It's okay, You're okay. I know what you saw. And 1499 01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:36.359 I remember him calling Terry. I brought me back to 1500 01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:38.239 it more than anything else because he never called me 1501 01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:40.920 my name. He always called me kid. It's always hey, kid, 1502 01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:42.000 you know, see you later. 1503 01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:42.479 Kid. 1504 01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:45.880 Never ever had called me why my first name? And 1505 01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:49.199 that that stopped me. And I looked up at him 1506 01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:52.640 and he goes, I know what you saw. You saw, Gladys, 1507 01:22:52.640 --> 01:22:59.239 didn't you? And I think I said, like what? And 1508 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:02.199 at that point he kind of he turned around and 1509 01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:05.279 there was a little bench that was in that elevator 1510 01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:07.720 with him. I guess we're you know, we'd sit down 1511 01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:11.279 and relax. Well, he lifted the lid. He had like 1512 01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:14.119 a little cushion, and he lifted up the lid and 1513 01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:18.840 he pulled out this little book, a little leather book, 1514 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:21.359 and he reached inside it and he pulled out this 1515 01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:27.119 picture and he handed it to me. I remember taking 1516 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:30.479 I ugh, I can remember taking it. And it was 1517 01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:32.239 it was one of those old pictures that had like 1518 01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:34.560 scalloped edges all the way around it, and it was 1519 01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:37.359 worn out. It was really warm, you could tell you could. 1520 01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:40.640 You could almost it was almost hard to see because 1521 01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:43.439 you could tell it had just been handled so much 1522 01:23:43.520 --> 01:23:48.439 over the years. And there was that girl, the girl 1523 01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:50.800 that I had seen go out that window was in 1524 01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:55.279 that picture, big smile on her face, just just looking 1525 01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:59.159 at me. And that was when Jimmy told me about Gladys. 1526 01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:07.279 He told me back back during World War she should 1527 01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:10.840 grow in working there for for a little while, and 1528 01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:14.359 they'd gotten to be pretty good friends. I Gladys had 1529 01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:19.760 recently gotten married and World War Two I started and 1530 01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:23.159 was in it. It was in its in its throws 1531 01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:27.000 for us. Her husband. I'm not sure at this point 1532 01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:28.800 if he'd gotten drafted or listened. I think he got 1533 01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:36.319 drafted and went overseas well, there was a day when 1534 01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:38.640 Jimmy was working, and he said it was a day 1535 01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:43.920 very much like that day. It was raining and really 1536 01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:47.680 dark for me out. I guess Gladys had gotten word 1537 01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:51.000 either earlier that day or the night before, that her 1538 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:53.960 husband would not be coming home, that he had he 1539 01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:57.680 had lost his life somewhere on a battlefield in Europe 1540 01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:03.359 time during the day before any without anyone knowing. I 1541 01:25:03.399 --> 01:25:07.119 guess she had went out into the hallway, went to 1542 01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:09.399 that window, and before anybody could stop her, she jumped 1543 01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:12.279 out and took her own life. I guess she couldn't live. 1544 01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:16.399 She couldn't live with the fact that he would be 1545 01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:22.159 coming home. As I said, Jimmy was working there that day. 1546 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:28.560 She hit the pavement, didn't die right away. I guess 1547 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:30.520 they went out and they tried to take care of her. 1548 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:31.319 But before. 1549 01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:36.720 Medical services could arrive at the time, she she died 1550 01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:43.479 there right there on the sidewalk. It was Jimmy, you could. 1551 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:51.920 I could tell it affected Jimmy a lot. I really 1552 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:54.359 think he was. He was in love with her to 1553 01:25:54.359 --> 01:26:01.039 some degree. But he said, over the years, there are 1554 01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:03.479 people have seen exactly that same thing, and he had 1555 01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:06.399 seen it. He had seen her quite a bit. And 1556 01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:09.960 he was okay with that, with seeing her not seeing 1557 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:16.640 her go out the window obviously, but yeah, that uh, 1558 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:24.560 that that was something that really that hit me. Another 1559 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:28.479 kind of weird thing in there. He he always well, 1560 01:26:28.479 --> 01:26:31.960 I'm not a weird thing, but a little thing. He always, yeah, 1561 01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.439 would give me offer me a butter Scotch life saver 1562 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:38.680 when I'd like i'd leave, you always go here, you know, 1563 01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:44.039 have one, pop one and say thanks. You know, that 1564 01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:47.359 day we got to the bottom, he you know, he 1565 01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:50.199 told me the story. He put the put the back 1566 01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:53.520 and to its case and back into the chair, and 1567 01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:56.800 uh kind of tapped me on the on the back 1568 01:26:56.840 --> 01:26:59.479 and said you'll be okay. You're you're all right, aren't you? 1569 01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:03.319 And I said, yeah, I'm I'm fine, said all right. Well, 1570 01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:05.479 he started the elevator up when we got to the 1571 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:11.840 bottom and I started the head out and he stopped 1572 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:15.079 me and he handed me a about a half a 1573 01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:19.439 roll of letter Scott's life savers. You guys here have 1574 01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:22.600 one to have these, so thanks, and he goes they 1575 01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:28.039 were her favorites too. I'm I think I'm starting to 1576 01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:30.159 tear here now myself. 1577 01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:38.119 Yeah, and still to this day not only what you saw, 1578 01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:41.199 but just the relationships you had with me. But what 1579 01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:42.439 a wonderful memory. 1580 01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:47.520 Yeah, well, and there was more. There was more to 1581 01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:51.199 it than that, you know. I I went I got 1582 01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:54.960 back to the car, I headed back to work, and 1583 01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:56.439 it was towards the end of the day. I went 1584 01:27:56.479 --> 01:28:00.760 in and I didn't say anything to anybody. Everybody there 1585 01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:05.439 were only a couple of people were left anyway, if 1586 01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:13.800 that's true. Over the next few months I went down, 1587 01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:18.000 I kept going back down. Didn't he here again, didn't 1588 01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:21.479 ever have a feeling like she was there nearby. But 1589 01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:26.119 one time I went down, I mentioned something about it. 1590 01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:27.560 There was a place that he stopped for lunch called 1591 01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:31.119 a Cropolis Chili down in Clifton, and I mentioned to 1592 01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:34.840 Jimmy that, you know, I'd been there. He said something about, 1593 01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:37.439 oh gosh, he loved those the beef and eggs. He 1594 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:40.119 loved the beef and eggs, which I which was my favorite, said, oh, 1595 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:42.399 those are the best in the world. Well, after that, 1596 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:44.840 I every time I knew I was going to go 1597 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:46.439 down there, I would stop at a Croplis and get 1598 01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:47.880 him a beef and egg and a Bill pickle. He 1599 01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:50.159 always liked to Bill pickle too, and I brought that 1600 01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:51.680 to him and I gave it to him the first time. 1601 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:54.520 He was just it was beside himself. Tried to pay 1602 01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:56.880 him for it, and I'm like, no, no, nope, this 1603 01:28:56.920 --> 01:29:03.840 is this is a gift for your friend. So every 1604 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:05.319 time after that when i'd go down, i'd do the 1605 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:06.800 same thing when I could, you know, if I had 1606 01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:09.199 the cash, i'd stop and pick it up bring it 1607 01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:15.560 to him. Well, probably six months, eight months maybe after that, 1608 01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:18.720 came a day that you know, I hadn't been down there, 1609 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:23.800 and maybe a couple of weeks made them and I 1610 01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:27.159 had a delivery down there. I start cropolis, had the cash, 1611 01:29:27.479 --> 01:29:29.560 picked up a beef and egg and he'll pick the 1612 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:34.239 one headed down toward the street. Well, I went in 1613 01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:36.039 and went in and as soon as he went in 1614 01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:38.760 the door or something felt something felt wrong, something felt different. 1615 01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:46.600 Nobody was in the lobby, which is typical. But I 1616 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:49.840 walked down and I passed a little snack bar and 1617 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:51.960 as I did, I turned to go into the elevator 1618 01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:55.359 and I had to shock on my life. 1619 01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:55.840 Hit me. 1620 01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:00.159 There the elevator was sitting there and it had like. 1621 01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:00.239 Like a. 1622 01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:05.119 Like an old uh kind of one of those old 1623 01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:07.359 ropes like you had a theater, one of the old 1624 01:30:07.359 --> 01:30:09.039 theaters they should be going in, and it kind of 1625 01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:11.479 direct you in a que line. It was over the 1626 01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:13.399 front of the door, and there was a sign that 1627 01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:17.159 said it was out of service. And I looked into 1628 01:30:17.159 --> 01:30:21.920 the elevator and it was. It was absolutely devoid of 1629 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:29.079 every button, picture, ribbon, everything. It was just an empty 1630 01:30:29.119 --> 01:30:34.199 elevator and empty meaning no dream. And I stood there 1631 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:36.720 for a minute just looking at it, and I heard 1632 01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:39.399 the noise of this noise behind me and the snack bar, 1633 01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:44.279 and I turned around and this gentleman who I'd seen 1634 01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:50.439 many times before stand there and he informed me Jimmy 1635 01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:55.840 had passed away just a week or two before, and 1636 01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:58.319 the owners of the building decided that they weren't going 1637 01:30:58.359 --> 01:30:59.960 to they were just going to shut down the ll 1638 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.159 later and make everybody use the stairs because they weren't 1639 01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:06.319 gonna they were going to continue continue running it. That 1640 01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:08.560 was probably a safety hazard anyway, but they, you know, 1641 01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:13.840 they they faught enough of Jimmy that they continued and 1642 01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:16.600 you know, continued his job while he was until he 1643 01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:25.239 wasn't there anymore. So I remember turning to the right 1644 01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:28.159 and walking down to the stairwell, which I'd never used, 1645 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:32.439 walked up the stairs and went and delivered my package 1646 01:31:32.479 --> 01:31:37.239 and came back down. Started thinking about, you know, all 1647 01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:41.880 the conversations, all the time that had Jimmy, and all 1648 01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:45.439 the things I didn't get to talk to him about. 1649 01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:48.439 Got to the bottom, stopped at the elevator again and 1650 01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:51.199 just kind of looked in. I was thinking about it, 1651 01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:58.479 and the guy behind me said, you know, yeah, we 1652 01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:01.760 miss him too. He was saying, like he's a part 1653 01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:05.239 of us now. And I started to walk away, and 1654 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:07.319 I realized I still had that sandwich in my hand, 1655 01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:14.159 so I turned around and walked back up to the bar, 1656 01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:16.680 and I stuck my hand out and I said, Hi, 1657 01:32:17.319 --> 01:32:20.960 I'm Terry, and I took his hand, you know, and 1658 01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:22.800 shook and shook it, and I remember he took took 1659 01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:24.439 my hand in both his hands and kind of shook 1660 01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:26.399 me back and he said, I know. He said, I 1661 01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:30.439 know who you are. Here was my name's Frank, And 1662 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:32.960 I said here and I gave him and said this 1663 01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:37.520 is for you, and he said thanks, you know, And 1664 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:40.239 I turned around to just walk walk off, and he 1665 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:42.840 stopped me and he said live and he kind of 1666 01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:45.399 reached behind the counter and he came up with a 1667 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:48.640 box and it was an old cane box. It was 1668 01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:52.279 all ripped open and there were probably five or six 1669 01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:57.159 rolls of butterscotch life savers, and he said, here, these 1670 01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:03.199 are from you. They're from Jimmy. I don't even remember 1671 01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:05.840 getting to my car and how I got there, how 1672 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:09.680 long it took me, you know, I I don't know. 1673 01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:14.159 I just remember kind of waking up, sitting in my 1674 01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:22.479 car and just Brian thinking about it, you know it 1675 01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:25.119 what really hit me, which is really odd. I thought 1676 01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:25.800 it was out at the time. 1677 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:26.239 I don't know. 1678 01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:29.840 I didn't know Jimmy's last name. I never asked him 1679 01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:31.720 his last name. I didn't know. I just knew he 1680 01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:37.359 was Jimmy. That bothered me, still bothers me at the point. 1681 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:43.000 Drove back to work at some point, you know, got 1682 01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:45.079 there in one of my bosses. I had two bosses, 1683 01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:50.079 Jim and Jim, instant individuals. I could tell all kinds 1684 01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:54.680 of stories just about them. But one of the gym's 1685 01:33:55.560 --> 01:33:58.760 was the only one still there. And I walked into 1686 01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:00.760 the into the place and he was just kind of 1687 01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:05.079 wandering around the building. You know, there's a different through 1688 01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:08.680 the hallway and just trying to I don't know, just 1689 01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:12.159 trying to come to terms with everything that had happened. 1690 01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:16.000 And jim was sitting in his office with the door open, 1691 01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:18.800 and I went as I went by, yelled, hey, Harry, 1692 01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:22.640 come here, okay, and I walked in, you know, and 1693 01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:26.760 I'm standing there and did you get on all the 1694 01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:30.199 lovers and everything? I said, yeah, yeah, everything's fine, and 1695 01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:32.720 he at that point he noticed I had I was 1696 01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:36.920 still carrying this box of life savers. He said, you 1697 01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:39.520 must have seen Jimmy, and he kind of reached out 1698 01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:42.640 his hand as if he wanted one. So I, you know, 1699 01:34:42.760 --> 01:34:46.159 killed one off and gave it to him and dropped 1700 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:50.079 down the seat next to him, and he was asking 1701 01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:52.279 me some questions about Jimmy. But did he show you 1702 01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:53.960 this picture? Did he show you that picture? Right? 1703 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:54.399 Yeah? 1704 01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:56.880 He goes, yeah, you know, we were talking about he 1705 01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:59.920 was talking about what a good guy and that he 1706 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.920 known him for years down there, and uh. And then 1707 01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:09.279 I told jim what happened, and we were both, you know, 1708 01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:15.439 we're both put out, it upset, and I don't know. 1709 01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:18.159 We we just talked a little bit about some of them. 1710 01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:20.920 Jimmy had shoonas and everything, and I even asked him 1711 01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:22.880 if he knew what Jimmy's last name was, and he 1712 01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:24.960 said he did, but he'd known him for years and 1713 01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:31.439 he was such a good guy. So I got ready 1714 01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:35.039 to go and I reached out and I left one 1715 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:39.319 of the rolls of Savers on his desk, and I 1716 01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:42.760 started to walk out, and he started to unloining the 1717 01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:48.960 old you know string around it. I remember when I 1718 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:54.239 got after the door, he got Harry turned around. Yeah 1719 01:35:55.279 --> 01:36:01.520 he's safe. Never heard him say those words before, never 1720 01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:04.319 heard him again, and he just kind of giggled, kind 1721 01:36:04.319 --> 01:36:07.520 of laughed and popped out, popped in his life savers 1722 01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:10.399 in his mouth, and went back to what he was 1723 01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:18.439 doing with a big his face. Yeah, Jimmy was a 1724 01:36:18.439 --> 01:36:25.640 special guy. He really was a long time. For three 1725 01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:28.560 times chat I went down, I'd still do the sandwich 1726 01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:32.960 ritual and by a sandwich and bring it down to Frank. 1727 01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:39.600 The third time, I think maybe third, maybe fourth time 1728 01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:42.800 I had done it, Frank told me, he said, you know, 1729 01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:46.880 I really appreciate the gesture, but I'm not really a 1730 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:52.960 beef and egg guy. I don't really don't really that. 1731 01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:56.720 He said. He's more ham and cheese, dude. So after 1732 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:59.079 that I brought him ham and cheese. When I came 1733 01:36:59.119 --> 01:37:03.319 down there, he told me the story. He said, you 1734 01:37:03.359 --> 01:37:08.119 know the first time you gave me that sandwich. When 1735 01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:11.439 I left, he said, he opened up. You know, they're 1736 01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:14.520 wrapped in sulphane. He'd pulled the cellphone off and he 1737 01:37:14.600 --> 01:37:16.159 sat it there on the counter and kind of looked 1738 01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:17.880 at it and he said he just couldn't eat it. 1739 01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:21.880 He said, he just he knew it wasn't for him, 1740 01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:24.159 that it was for Jimmy. It was Jimmy sandwich, and 1741 01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:28.520 he just didn't feel right eating it. So he said 1742 01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:31.079 he wrapped it back up really carefully in the cell phane, 1743 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:33.920 put it back in the brown paper bag, rolled it 1744 01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:38.279 back up, and just set it down behind the counter. Well, 1745 01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:42.359 Frank Frank opened closed that building at night in the morning. 1746 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:45.399 At night, he was like the first guy in, the 1747 01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:49.560 last guy out. The whole office buildings. Nobody lived there. 1748 01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:51.800 It was just you know, he would he would open 1749 01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:55.079 it up. He'd get smack bar going and everything, and 1750 01:37:55.159 --> 01:37:58.239 then people would start showing up. Well, as he left 1751 01:37:58.319 --> 01:38:02.039 that first night, he said he was just getting to 1752 01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:08.079 leave and he thought, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna 1753 01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:10.680 give that same, I'm gonna put that sandwich in the elevator, 1754 01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:12.399 And he said he went behind the counter and got 1755 01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:15.760 the bag and just set it on the bench inside 1756 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.279 the elevator. Kind of laughed a little bit, and he 1757 01:38:19.319 --> 01:38:23.680 went home. Said he got back the next morning. He's 1758 01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:27.760 the first guy in no cleaning cruise or anything like that, said, 1759 01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:30.399 he got he got in, he started everything up, got 1760 01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:32.880 about his business, and he said, maybe an hour or 1761 01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:37.359 so into it, maybe two hours in after dinner, he thought, 1762 01:38:37.479 --> 01:38:39.920 he's remembered that he put that sandwich in there. He thought, 1763 01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:41.399 you know, I better get that out of there before 1764 01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:46.600 it spoils and get in to it or whatever. So 1765 01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:50.600 he walked around the counter, went to the elevator, reached in, 1766 01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:52.560 and there was no bag to be found. 1767 01:38:53.439 --> 01:38:53.800 Nothing. 1768 01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:57.319 He said. He looked everywhere, he looked in the garbage cans, 1769 01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:01.239 he looked everywhere in the place. The bag was gone. 1770 01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:05.520 The next two times I brought him the sandwiches, he said, 1771 01:39:05.520 --> 01:39:08.199 he did the exact same thing with the exact same 1772 01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:11.760 result every time. And when he was telling me about 1773 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:13.840 we both kind of started laughing about it, and I 1774 01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:16.560 said something about, well, maybe I'd continue to bring beef 1775 01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:18.760 and eggs down because I didn't want to offend Jimmy. 1776 01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:25.760 Maybe he was still enjoying, you know, the meal. And 1777 01:39:25.800 --> 01:39:29.000 I did that one last time after that, and soon 1778 01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:33.920 after that I left. I left the business. The two 1779 01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:36.720 gyms broke up their business and went their separate ways, 1780 01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:43.000 and unfortunately, and that was it. I never never went back. 1781 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:46.119 I never found out, if you know, Jimmy accepted my 1782 01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:52.439 final offer in the elevator. But I think he did. 1783 01:39:53.119 --> 01:39:57.279 I in my mind he did he did, So that's it. 1784 01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.720 That's what I like to think that he was enjoying 1785 01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:03.680 that beef and egg sand which with dill pickle in 1786 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:06.760 the afterlife. Now, I do have one question, and you 1787 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:09.800 may not know the answer to this, but what happened 1788 01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:13.960 to all the things that Jimmy had decorated the elevator 1789 01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:16.680 with all that infan there, all those photos and things. 1790 01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:18.079 Do you know what became of that? 1791 01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:24.560 I have no idea, And that is like one of 1792 01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:27.560 the biggest regrets in my life. I really really, if 1793 01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:29.600 I could, if I had a time machine, one of 1794 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:31.159 the things I would do is to go back and 1795 01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:34.000 ask that, you know, find the owners or fast Frank, 1796 01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:37.159 you know what happened to all that Jimmy was. 1797 01:40:39.520 --> 01:40:42.199 Take it down and throw it in the garden. I 1798 01:40:42.199 --> 01:40:45.319 mean that was literally Jimmy's live blustered on those walls. 1799 01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:51.239 Yeah yeah, I would, I would. I can't tell you 1800 01:40:51.279 --> 01:40:54.479 what I'd give for just one of those items that 1801 01:40:55.720 --> 01:41:04.439 show you just to have that, yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, 1802 01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:08.279 that would have been fantastic. But honestly, just just one thing, 1803 01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:11.760 just one thing. Yeah, probably wouldn't have been the picture 1804 01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:13.640 of Gladys, but maybe. 1805 01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:16.960 But you never know if it was the photo of 1806 01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:20.920 Gladys because you had that experience. Now, I'm curious. Does 1807 01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:23.880 that building still stand in Cincinnati? You said it was 1808 01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:26.119 like an one of those old Art Deco buildings of 1809 01:41:26.199 --> 01:41:27.079 the marble hallways. 1810 01:41:27.199 --> 01:41:32.640 I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I've 1811 01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:39.840 not been downtown in many years. There's a lot of 1812 01:41:39.880 --> 01:41:42.920 construction area. I would not be surprised if that's If 1813 01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:45.920 that's I need to go down, I really that's one 1814 01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:47.159 of those things like the Park. 1815 01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:51.399 Apartment building or for some cookie cutter bs, if they 1816 01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:53.960 like to tear those whole beautiful places down and then 1817 01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:56.960 replace them with that's that's such a great story. I 1818 01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:00.680 mean it's creepy. Yeah, it's heartwarm. I mean, you hit 1819 01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:04.640 all the bases on that one, my friend, Well, thank you. 1820 01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:08.119 I it's you know, it's I don't know, it's it's 1821 01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:13.720 Jimmy's story, not mine. Yeah, he was. I hope. I 1822 01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:16.039 hope to see him again someday. I hope you read him, 1823 01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:16.800 meet up with him. 1824 01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:24.279 Yeah, definitely, that'll be one I think. I think Jimmy 1825 01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:26.159 will be waiting there on the other side for you. 1826 01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:30.439 But maybe the Turtle Man too, with his missing fingers. 1827 01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:31.279 I hope. 1828 01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:35.479 That story. Everybody is. 1829 01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:37.479 From that one. 1830 01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:41.920 Yeah, everybody that's listened to that just loves my narration 1831 01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:44.680 of it. And then they laughed, they cried, they were scared. 1832 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:48.920 It just it really hits just a whole range of emotions. 1833 01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:51.600 There's such a wonderful story, and you've got another one 1834 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.199 that's even similar to that. I won't have you go 1835 01:42:54.319 --> 01:42:57.159 into the full thing here. We're running out of time 1836 01:42:57.279 --> 01:42:59.960 for tonight, but I'll have to have you back sometimes, 1837 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:02.079 especially after we get our book ready to come out. 1838 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:04.960 But the Smoking Ghost in the Delta eighty eight, that one, 1839 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:08.840 I've got that up on thirteen past midnight too, and uh, 1840 01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:11.720 it's it's not as poignant, and it's touching or as 1841 01:43:11.720 --> 01:43:14.520 scary as a Jimmy story. But that's that's a pretty 1842 01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:17.880 creepy story too. I had an encounter, yeah, I talked 1843 01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:21.720 about on Channel Lagro's Halloween show coming up about where 1844 01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:24.319 I saw just a cigarette going down the road one 1845 01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:29.079 Halloween night. But this was a ghost in the car smoking. 1846 01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:32.680 And that's just that's a frightening story too. All true. 1847 01:43:34.199 --> 01:43:39.720 Yep, ye we were talking about you were mentioning the 1848 01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:45.640 spite in the ditch too. There's a there's there's one story. 1849 01:43:45.640 --> 01:43:49.319 I'm still anxiously. I will hope that you'll narrate and 1850 01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:53.479 praying the the days you'll you'll get to it of 1851 01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:59.039 my father and I with an encounter we had with 1852 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:02.439 a with a creature I guess you would call you 1853 01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:09.520 say I would call them the fae that that we 1854 01:44:09.720 --> 01:44:15.560 both had on separate occasion. I yeah, I won't go 1855 01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:18.079 into that story because I'm really hoping one of these 1856 01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:19.520 days that we get around. 1857 01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:26.119 I I apologize to get to it. I want to 1858 01:44:26.199 --> 01:44:29.680 narrate everything you sent me and some you haven't sent 1859 01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:32.199 me yet. I'll narrate those two as soon as I 1860 01:44:32.199 --> 01:44:35.279 get them. But it's just it's the story that's along 1861 01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:37.840 the way that you tell it. It's not the one 1862 01:44:37.880 --> 01:44:39.680 where you guys are traveling in the r V and 1863 01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:42.560 you're picking cactus spines out of your rear end. 1864 01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:48.640 Yeah. Yeah, that that's a long one. 1865 01:44:49.520 --> 01:44:51.720 And you got to play some of that for your 1866 01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:53.920 sister before she passed away. And I wish I could 1867 01:44:53.960 --> 01:44:56.199 have had the whole thing done, but I was in 1868 01:44:56.239 --> 01:45:00.720 a real state of flux, uh and not good situation 1869 01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:02.640 in Oregon, and I was getting ready to get out 1870 01:45:02.640 --> 01:45:07.399 of there and get to Uh. I'll the frying panted 1871 01:45:07.439 --> 01:45:09.960 into the fire in New Mexico. But now that I'm 1872 01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:12.439 here in New England and things that have settled down 1873 01:45:12.479 --> 01:45:14.359 and I have, you know, a place where I can 1874 01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:18.479 be creative and create and an atmosphere conducive to that. 1875 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:22.239 I want to narrate all those and if you'd like, 1876 01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:24.199 we can put those in in the book that we're 1877 01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:26.720 working on, and then I'll make an audio book out 1878 01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:27.039 of it. 1879 01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:32.960 There you go, that would be good. You know, I 1880 01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:39.000 thank you m brings into life as your narration. One 1881 01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:41.000 else in the world that I would I would rather have. 1882 01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:46.239 Wow, I appreciate that. To my wife that you considered 1883 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:50.000 me a bullet and would take I'm sorry. You even 1884 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:52.039 told my wife that you considered me a brother and 1885 01:45:52.079 --> 01:45:55.840 would take a bullet for me, uh, figuratively and literally. 1886 01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:57.119 And I appreciate that. 1887 01:45:57.199 --> 01:45:57.439 Brother. 1888 01:45:57.520 --> 01:45:58.600 You're you're something else. 1889 01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:03.560 I believe I would, I really do. You're a good man, Steve. 1890 01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:06.439 I've I've You've meant a lot to me over the 1891 01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:11.079 the last few years. Before before I heard you, you know, 1892 01:46:11.159 --> 01:46:14.720 telling your stories and made a connection with you, I 1893 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:22.760 didn't really talk about my experiences and and just you 1894 01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:25.319 know everything. I didn't really tell people about that kind 1895 01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:29.960 of stuff. The only person I ever talked to about 1896 01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:33.159 the paranormal things in my life was with my father, 1897 01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:39.840 and he's been gone since ninety eight eight. I just, 1898 01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:44.319 you know, you do you tell people something? You tell 1899 01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:46.199 people things like that, and they look at you like 1900 01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:49.239 you got three heads, You're crazy, you know? And you 1901 01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:52.159 really are the person that brought that out in me, 1902 01:46:52.199 --> 01:46:54.159 and A and A has enabled me to be able 1903 01:46:54.239 --> 01:46:59.239 to talk about the experiences I've had, and that means 1904 01:46:59.279 --> 01:46:59.840 a lot to me. 1905 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:03.199 I have such a loquacious style and just the attempt 1906 01:47:03.399 --> 01:47:07.920 to detail I've recounted some of my experiences. I've had 1907 01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:10.560 people say, you've got to be making this up because 1908 01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:13.800 nobody can remember that much detail. But like you, it's 1909 01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:17.520 burned into my brain. Yeah, I remember every single little 1910 01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:22.039 thing that I've been able to recall while recounting these experiences. 1911 01:47:22.079 --> 01:47:25.279 That's how much impact it had on me and on 1912 01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:28.279 my life. I mean it's like a snapshot literally, and 1913 01:47:28.319 --> 01:47:30.800 I can look at that mental image and pick little 1914 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:34.039 details out and it's just it's the way it was, 1915 01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:38.119 believe it or not. That's my experiences. I know what 1916 01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:40.479 I saw, I know what I felt, I know what 1917 01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:42.680 I experience. And you're the same way. 1918 01:47:42.800 --> 01:47:49.279 Yeah, absolutely, yep, yep, I am you and I. You 1919 01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:51.039 and I are very similar in a lot of ways, 1920 01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:55.880 same age of the same life. Yeah, kindred spirit, I 1921 01:47:55.880 --> 01:47:57.520 feel like you're definitely. 1922 01:47:57.319 --> 01:48:01.560 Kindred spirit or brothers from another mother or something like that. 1923 01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:04.520 We had definitely have a connection there and just some 1924 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:07.479 of the experience, as you shared. We had a graveyard 1925 01:48:07.520 --> 01:48:10.000 that we played into. I didn't get to talk about that. 1926 01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:13.359 It was from the eighteen hundreds. It was abandoned, and 1927 01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:16.359 my grandfather when he sold that property that it was on, 1928 01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:18.960 he told the person, you know, you own this property, 1929 01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:22.199 but nobody owns the graveyard. So that just gave all 1930 01:48:22.199 --> 01:48:25.039 of us kids free rein and we'd build a clubhouse 1931 01:48:25.079 --> 01:48:26.760 in the edge of the graveyard. We didn't build it 1932 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:30.279 over any graves or anything. But other kids wouldn't mess 1933 01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:33.039 with us. They're like, that's those crazy kids that have 1934 01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:36.359 a clubhouse in the graveyard. Don't mess with them. So 1935 01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:39.760 we were left our own. Devices had a two story 1936 01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:43.399 clubhouse in there with multiple rooms and little ante rooms 1937 01:48:43.439 --> 01:48:45.199 and things off of it. It was I wonder if 1938 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:48.319 that's still there. I never been back since I moved 1939 01:48:48.359 --> 01:48:49.880 away from there, but I would have to see it 1940 01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:53.479 any of that's still there. But there were old, old 1941 01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:55.680 gravestones in there, and then some of them you couldn't 1942 01:48:55.720 --> 01:48:59.920 even read they'd been there so long. But amazing place. 1943 01:49:00.760 --> 01:49:02.760 Quite a great place to grow up and to have 1944 01:49:03.640 --> 01:49:05.920 places like that, you know, the creek and the woods 1945 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:10.640 and all that, where you could have these fantastic outdoor advents. Yeah. 1946 01:49:10.880 --> 01:49:13.479 My only sibling and older brother. He was seventeen years 1947 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.720 older than me, so I was basically raised and only 1948 01:49:16.800 --> 01:49:19.600 the time I was cognizant, he'd moved out and married. God. 1949 01:49:19.680 --> 01:49:22.239 I became an uncle when I was four, so I've 1950 01:49:22.640 --> 01:49:24.760 had all those woods. I just I made my own 1951 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:28.000 fun most time, and that's I think where I get 1952 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:31.439 my imagination and my creativity was because I was I 1953 01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:35.239 wasn't around kids until I started kindergarten, and then I 1954 01:49:35.279 --> 01:49:39.199 hated every second I liked And still to this day, 1955 01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:42.439 with the exception of my wife, I prefer my own 1956 01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:46.079 company to that of others. Present company excluded too. If 1957 01:49:46.079 --> 01:49:47.800 I ever make it to Ohio, if you ever make 1958 01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:50.600 it to New England, we need to at least have 1959 01:49:51.199 --> 01:49:52.039 a coffee together. 1960 01:49:52.199 --> 01:49:56.600 So oh yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonna have to make 1961 01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:00.560 a trip there. I've got family out there, little around 1962 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:02.319 most of them, to be honest with you, they're probably not. 1963 01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:04.319 But I need to make the trip up there. I've 1964 01:50:04.319 --> 01:50:11.039 got I've got advance in Lowell up there. But yeah, 1965 01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:15.079 it's similar here to my My brother was fourteen years 1966 01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:16.880 older than I was and my sister was seven, so 1967 01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:17.800 I was kind of raised an. 1968 01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:22.840 Only child too. Yeah, it does something to. 1969 01:50:22.159 --> 01:50:25.239 Exactly as far as you need, you need to be created, 1970 01:50:25.680 --> 01:50:27.560 You need to take a goal on a trip. 1971 01:50:28.720 --> 01:50:31.039 Yeah, there's some places in Ohio. 1972 01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:33.600 I need to take the gold down there and some 1973 01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:35.079 time and check this out. 1974 01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:39.319 There was places that as a child we went through 1975 01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:42.880 Ohio and my my parents were antique dealers, and uh, 1976 01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:46.359 we'd go on buying trips sometimes Ohio and go to 1977 01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:49.279 the state sales and things like that. I have wonderful 1978 01:50:49.359 --> 01:50:54.479 memories of a rural Ohio and suburban Ohio and uh, 1979 01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:56.960 I don't know if you ever listened to the belief whole, 1980 01:50:57.359 --> 01:51:00.960 but they're from from some Yeah. Yeah, they've moved into 1981 01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:03.560 a new studio and an old haunted house or something 1982 01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:06.319 like that. I love those guys, and maybe we can 1983 01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:09.399 all meet up sometimes and have a live stream or 1984 01:51:09.479 --> 01:51:11.000 storytelling session or something. 1985 01:51:11.720 --> 01:51:13.560 Oh, that'd be awesome. I know you you turned me 1986 01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:15.520 on to them. I I liked I I like them 1987 01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:19.920 a lot. At the train episode not too long ago, 1988 01:51:20.000 --> 01:51:21.119 and that was really good. 1989 01:51:21.279 --> 01:51:21.720 Yeah. 1990 01:51:22.279 --> 01:51:27.119 Yeah, I'm live. I live probably twenty minutes away from Waynesville, 1991 01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:30.760 which is like they considered the most haunted town Ohio. 1992 01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:33.760 It's it's a fun place Halloween to always do a 1993 01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:36.920 ghost walk on the night and h and up to it. 1994 01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:39.439 They'll have a couple of weeks we can go on 1995 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:42.039 ghost walks and things like that. It's it's got a 1996 01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:42.800 lot of history. 1997 01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:47.600 I don't love it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's 1998 01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:52.600 a boring yeah, the big cities the Yeah, of course, 1999 01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:55.880 probably rust Belt now. But back in the day, you 2000 01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:58.560 know Dayton, Uh, there was a lot of industry and 2001 01:51:58.600 --> 01:52:01.319 things there, And I had cousins that left Tennessee and 2002 01:52:01.399 --> 01:52:04.199 moved up there. Oh yeah, but I wouldn't know them 2003 01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:06.520 if I passed him on the street. Haven't seen him 2004 01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:09.960 since the eighties. But I didn't care for the city 2005 01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:13.560 too much. I had had some times in Cincinnati, but uh, 2006 01:52:13.720 --> 01:52:15.199 i'd have to make a trip up there. I was. 2007 01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:18.239 I was looking here. There's a lot of halted locations 2008 01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:21.199 up there right in Cincinnati, and I'm sure all throughout Ohio, 2009 01:52:21.279 --> 01:52:24.760 but definitely be a great place to do a road 2010 01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:25.520 trip someday. 2011 01:52:27.039 --> 01:52:28.960 Yeah, we've talked to you can come come this way. 2012 01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:30.960 I'll definitely take you out on the on the tour 2013 01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:32.359 of stuff in the area. 2014 01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:35.560 And when I lived in Oregon, you sent me out 2015 01:52:35.720 --> 01:52:39.119 a care package one time from Ohio. There was some 2016 01:52:39.159 --> 01:52:43.840 Skyline chili in there, and tried to send some crystals, 2017 01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:47.760 but that didn't work out too well. But uh, I 2018 01:52:48.039 --> 01:52:53.359 appreciate I did enjoy the other stuff you said. But Terry, 2019 01:52:53.399 --> 01:52:55.880 we're just about out of time here. I want to 2020 01:52:55.920 --> 01:52:58.880 thank you for joining me on this episode of Everything 2021 01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:01.119 out There. We'll have to have you back again sometime 2022 01:53:01.439 --> 01:53:05.239 to tell some more stories. And everyone abreast of the 2023 01:53:05.239 --> 01:53:07.520 book that we're working on. We'll talk more about that 2024 01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:12.520 off the air. Yeah, a lot, A safe and happy Halloween, 2025 01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:15.279 and thank you from taking the time out of your 2026 01:53:15.359 --> 01:53:19.239 day to join me here on this episode of Everything 2027 01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:22.800 out There. People can find you on YouTube. It's the 2028 01:53:22.840 --> 01:53:27.119 at Symbol Downtown Terry Brown. That's your YouTube channel, Tales 2029 01:53:27.159 --> 01:53:29.680 of the Sonic Voyage. And I believe I'm the one 2030 01:53:29.720 --> 01:53:32.279 that gave you that sober k. I gave you that nickname. 2031 01:53:32.319 --> 01:53:34.039 I just I called you that one time. 2032 01:53:33.880 --> 01:53:38.359 And it kind of stuck you are ye, yep, it's 2033 01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:40.000 it has been used a few times in the past, 2034 01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:42.239 but it's been many, many years. Yeah, but this I 2035 01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:44.479 gotta I got to a point it to you. 2036 01:53:45.840 --> 01:53:48.520 I appreciate that. Again, have a good one. 2037 01:53:51.199 --> 01:53:51.479 The book. 2038 01:53:52.039 --> 01:53:56.760 Indeed, we'll talk to you again soon. I'm Steve Stockton 2039 01:53:57.720 --> 01:53:59.840 and I'll see you a little farther on down the trail. 2040 01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:02.039 Have a good night.