Speaker 1: Gosh, Laurie is still on the bench.
Speaker 2: Still Self has his head up his ass so much.
Speaker 2: Hey Bill, Bill self got a lottery pick. You can
Speaker 2: play him. Just put him in Still you like defense,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 3: I feel like that inside the paint, I know that
Speaker 3: this is your like twenty fourth show or something like that.
Speaker 4: Cam.
Speaker 3: I feel like your tenure on this. I feel like
Speaker 3: that this really doesn't begin. You're your tenure doesn't really
Speaker 3: start on ITP until you get a curb your enthusiasm
Speaker 3: intro episode of ITP when they blow a big lead
Speaker 3: on the road, Like now I feel like you're really Yes,
Speaker 3: now you're in doctor and now you're one of us, CAM,
Speaker 3: you get to experience the curb your enthusiasm caliber of loss.
Speaker 3: How do you feel?
Speaker 2: Honestly?
Speaker 1: I feel terrible, slightly dehydrated, mainly because I did Bob
Speaker 1: Huggins numbers after last.
Speaker 2: Night's game in Beers.
Speaker 1: I'm still recovering on that end, eating popcorn, ranting into
Speaker 1: a microphone that I bought off Amazon. Life could not
Speaker 1: get better or worse, you know what, It couldn't get worse.
Speaker 1: I'm in Chicago, I live in a closet. This is fine,
Speaker 1: especially because.
Speaker 3: Soundboard issues. Oh no, there we go, especially because he's
Speaker 3: your coach, even though he has his head up his ass,
Speaker 3: and oh boy, are we here to talk about it,
Speaker 3: because for the fifth freaking year in a row, Kansas
Speaker 3: goes down to Waco and loses two.
Speaker 2: And I believe he's father.
Speaker 3: Now Kansas started seven to zero and they are eight
Speaker 3: and six. Since, oh boy, does that sound from the
Speaker 3: year is that last year I hear? And potentially all
Speaker 3: the other years that have gone wrong in the self era.
Speaker 3: They start a bunch of games above five hundred and
Speaker 3: then play very even once conference play starts.
Speaker 4: And mostly Ryan, I've done some deep statistical analysis on
Speaker 4: why that happens, and the conclusion I've come to is
Speaker 4: that Kansas starts out by playing teams that suck and
Speaker 4: finishes by playing teams that are good.
Speaker 3: That's right, and that's they have lost six of their
Speaker 3: last fourteen games, and it gets worse if you take
Speaker 3: out the teams that sucked, like I think they get
Speaker 3: a Brown win in there somewhere. I think they got
Speaker 3: a Kansas State win in there at some point too.
Speaker 3: So you've heard of Oh god, even the wins were better.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna talk about Kansas losing yet another improbable
Speaker 3: choke job of a performance in Waco, and uh yeah
Speaker 3: that for about well eighty percent of the game yesterday.
Speaker 3: We were very excited to do this podcast for a
Speaker 3: different reason, and then we saw how it ended, and
Speaker 3: now we're very excited to do this show. As John Calla,
Speaker 3: Perry's Arkansas headshot is just littered all over these notes,
Speaker 3: because that's who Bill's self might be now in the
Speaker 3: Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. This is inside
Speaker 3: the paint On Rock Chalk Blog, Curb Your Enthusiasm Edition.
Speaker 4: I'm Ryan Landreth, I'm Landon Fields, and.
Speaker 1: I'm a sad sad cam Landon.
Speaker 3: You missed the last show because you were painting. You
Speaker 3: were helping a friend paint a house for hours and
Speaker 3: hours on end.
Speaker 4: I was painted until one am, back to back nights.
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, was that less fun
Speaker 3: than watching Kansas blow at twenty one point lead in Waco?
Speaker 3: But I think it probably was much better.
Speaker 4: There was Taco Bell involved with the painting, so that
Speaker 4: maybe was still better fun.
Speaker 3: Whereas the after effects of Taco Bell aka the you know,
Speaker 3: the the very loud gas sound.
Speaker 4: Was Baylor scoring see in the second half?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they scored sixty points in the second half. Okay,
Speaker 3: all about it.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, hold on, that was without three of
Speaker 1: the best players, by the way, go ahead and start there.
Speaker 2: I'm chewing on popcorn. I don't care, babe.
Speaker 3: Ah, here we go. Kansas forty Baylor twenty one. All right, great,
Speaker 3: great performance here. That's that's what we're here to talk about.
Speaker 3: Kansas wins by nineteen point Oh wait, let me second performance,
Speaker 3: bab I'm now getting the updated score. Baylor eighty one,
Speaker 3: number eleven, Kansas seventy.
Speaker 1: The billsoff out coach Joseph Robinett Biden or if his
Speaker 1: life deplines on.
Speaker 3: It twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: Joseph Robins Joe the coach of Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know what would ever make you think
Speaker 3: that he coaches. But I just got a text from
Speaker 3: my wife and it says, oh, I'MFG, you are so loud. Yes,
Speaker 3: because Kansas blue and enormous apocalyptic lead. Therefore the volume
Speaker 3: goes up. I can get louder. I don't care, I'll
Speaker 3: get louder. See she normally she normally works overnight, so
Speaker 3: she normally strategically avoids these shows. But oh lucky heard
Speaker 3: the off days line up after Bill blows the biggest
Speaker 3: lead in the history of the school.
Speaker 1: All right, Landon, tell me about what Johnson County divorce
Speaker 1: courts tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Kansas was really good for a half. They led by
Speaker 4: nineteenth the break, but Baylor needed just seven minutes to
Speaker 4: race that and briefly hold a slim lead, only to
Speaker 4: see Kansas settle down and rebuild a ten point lead
Speaker 4: with nine minutes left. It looked like maybe it was
Speaker 4: gonna be one of those moments where the lesser team
Speaker 4: makes it close but the better team still wins comfortably
Speaker 4: in the end. But no, we were not treated to
Speaker 4: such an outing. After that, Baylor went on a seventeen
Speaker 4: run to not just beat them Jayhawks, but beat them
Speaker 4: going away. This is a worse loss than the Houston
Speaker 4: loss by a lot. Everybody. The Houston loss might feel worse,
Speaker 4: so this feels atrocious. But Houston is a better team
Speaker 4: and Kansas was literally an inbounds pass or made free
Speaker 4: throw away from winning that game, among several other things.
Speaker 4: As we talked about, this is so much worse. Baylor
Speaker 4: is worse. They were missing, as Cam said, three of
Speaker 4: their best players by the end of the game, and
Speaker 4: they lost by double digits in a game they led
Speaker 4: by twenty This one was twenty one. This is this
Speaker 4: is terrible. This is one of This is one of
Speaker 4: the worst losses in recent memory for Kansas.
Speaker 3: That makes two, two losses that are two of the
Speaker 3: maybe honestly two of the worst, the two worst losses
Speaker 3: we've seen this team have in like five plus years, honestly,
Speaker 3: like last decade of Caansas basketball. The worst losses you
Speaker 3: can remember. Michigan is up there because of what a
Speaker 3: galactic kick job that was. Yeah, it's close, it's you're right,
Speaker 3: it's not actually wow old. When you think of the
Speaker 3: worst losses they've had, the worst team that they lost
Speaker 3: to I think in that stretch was whenever Washington inexplicably
Speaker 3: beat them at the Sprint Center.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: That was early in this season. And then twenty twenty
Speaker 3: one had a handful of ghastly losses with freaking Jalen
Speaker 3: Wilson blowing the layup with the Mainland and Lick made
Speaker 3: Landon rip his shirt off when they lost in Austin.
Speaker 3: But this honestly, quite possibly, the two worst losses in
Speaker 3: the last decade of Kansas basketball have come in the
Speaker 3: last eight days.
Speaker 4: Two of the most like what is happening losses, certainly, and.
Speaker 3: Like when you think of we've all discussed how the
Speaker 3: season isn't over with those losses, nor would the season
Speaker 3: be a success with those two wins, But whenever you
Speaker 3: think of the damage that you've done to a lot
Speaker 3: of things with those two losses, two games they had
Speaker 3: in hand and should have won and had a ninety
Speaker 3: seven percent plus chance statistically of winning both of them.
Speaker 3: At any given point, if you win those games, you're
Speaker 3: in second place in the Big Twelve at eight and two,
Speaker 3: and you're one game out of a league lead against
Speaker 3: a team that we're expecting to cool down a little bit.
Speaker 3: You control your own destiny for a piece of the title.
Speaker 3: You're probably a two seed right now, and you're riding
Speaker 3: a winning streak that would be eight of your last
Speaker 3: nine games would have been dubs with a handful of
Speaker 3: quality wins added to your resume, and instead now we're
Speaker 3: looking at a team that's lost three of the last five,
Speaker 3: two of those by double digits and the other and
Speaker 3: other worldly home collapse. They're losing games that we haven't
Speaker 3: seen them. I listened last week to the local radio
Speaker 3: stations that said the reason the Houston game was so
Speaker 3: shocking is because they've never seen a Bill Self team
Speaker 3: lose a game like that, which is true. And now
Speaker 3: Bill cooked up a hell of an encore by losing
Speaker 3: a game that not just Bill, but Kansas period has
Speaker 3: never had happened. They led by twenty one and lost.
Speaker 4: Camn it Bill. Yet, as you alluded to Ryan, Kansas's
Speaker 4: win probability hitting ninety seven percent one minute into the
Speaker 4: second half, they blew a nineteen point lead, build it
Speaker 4: back up to a ninety two percent chance to win.
Speaker 4: With the ten point lead at nine minutes, they blew
Speaker 4: that as well, of course, as it took three minutes
Speaker 4: from five thirty to two thirty to go in the
Speaker 4: second half for their win chance to go from eighty
Speaker 4: six percent to fourteen percent. And as you're getting at,
Speaker 4: that is something that Bill Self teams have not done.
Speaker 4: Not that they haven't choked games before, Certainly we have
Speaker 4: seen them do that. Not that they haven't lost games
Speaker 4: that they should win before. Obviously they have done that.
Speaker 4: But this is something that in now two consecutive losses,
Speaker 4: that Kansas does not lose games like this when they
Speaker 4: have teams wrapped up in the Big Twelve, they win
Speaker 4: those games almost always, and these are two times that
Speaker 4: just didn't happen. And I think that I think a
Speaker 4: lot of people are saying that speaks to the state
Speaker 4: of the program in the future of the program. I
Speaker 4: think that's an interesting conversation that we've talked about that
Speaker 4: some I think that's a little bit true. I think
Speaker 4: it kind of is a new and slightly gloomier day
Speaker 4: for Kansas, not just because it's loss, but I think
Speaker 4: based on the evidence of the last few seasons, two
Speaker 4: seasons in particular.
Speaker 3: I want to give Cam the floor because I know
Speaker 3: you got a lot to say. Somehow you're holding back.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily want you to, nor do I know
Speaker 3: why you're holding back, but I will open by saying,
Speaker 3: you know, I take a lot of crap on the
Speaker 3: show when I make faulty predictions and landon you were
Speaker 3: on the last show when our buddy Cam over here
Speaker 3: said Kansas would go three and oh in their next
Speaker 3: three games, and I said that was idiotic.
Speaker 6: And so Cam dial it back and tell us her
Speaker 6: thoughts after watching you were well on your way to
Speaker 6: being a third of the way right and.
Speaker 3: Now whoa oh boy, what say you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, at least Kansas doesn't have to play Iowa
Speaker 1: State a day later and home, and that's exactly what's
Speaker 1: coming up.
Speaker 2: And then they go on the road to Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Kansas, who just decimated Iowa State at Iowa State. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: I suck at predictions. DraftKings would tell you so.
Speaker 3: And he's winning pick up by a lot, and he's
Speaker 3: He's say, he's bad.
Speaker 1: Craziest thing I'm winning pick him. If you look at
Speaker 1: my bed slip history, you'll see seventeen leg parlays. You'll
Speaker 1: see Kansas money line, You'll see Kansas spread. I talk
Speaker 1: myself into it every single time, largely because Ryan's.
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, guys, like it's completely normal to blow ten
Speaker 7: point leads in under seven second two games back back
Speaker 7: in row and they'll be fine and you're were come,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, yeah, let's just go ahead and put
Speaker 7: our life savings on Kansas, because Bill self is a
Speaker 7: Hall of Famer that has a brain capacity of I
Speaker 7: don't know, Joseph Robin at Biden junior.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: Allow me to read a text here conversation between Land
Speaker 3: and Cam and myself at four thirty five PM, which
Speaker 3: would have been a few minutes into the second half,
Speaker 3: when Kansas is leading with yeah, nineteen to about eight.
Speaker 3: I said, they're gonna blow this, and Kansas says, and
Speaker 3: I quote, no way, I might launch on ku money line. Cam,
Speaker 3: did you back launch? No?
Speaker 2: I did not. Oh yeah I did that. I actually
Speaker 2: did not. No, I did not.
Speaker 1: I thought about it, though it crossed my mind the
Speaker 1: first time.
Speaker 3: My wife slept all day because she worked overnight each
Speaker 3: of the last two nights, so she woke up right
Speaker 3: around the time the game was ending to go to
Speaker 3: work and whenever. The first thing that she asked me
Speaker 3: was after she said, did Kansas win? I said no,
Speaker 3: they were up twenty one a half time and they lost.
Speaker 3: Said why didn't you bet on Baylor to win the
Speaker 3: game when Kaye was up big and half after what
Speaker 3: we saw in the Houston game, And I said, you
Speaker 3: know what, I'm gonna start doing that when Canadas has
Speaker 3: as a lead at halftime, gonna gonna start I have
Speaker 3: an idea. Okay, all right, I go as Cam would say,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start whale bombing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shamoo, whale bomb whale play. But here, hold on, guys,
Speaker 1: what we mean to do? She clearly has more common
Speaker 1: sense than all of us combined. So we sign her
Speaker 1: up for a fan duel account under the name not
Speaker 1: Jerome Tang, and then she launches on Games launches and
Speaker 1: Jerome Tang gets canned right after Kansas blows a ten
Speaker 1: point halftime lead in Manhattan to go three and.
Speaker 3: Zero against his buddy Bill self in that building in overtime.
Speaker 1: And Doug McDaniel still can't read what Kansas sucks back
Speaker 1: to the podcast.
Speaker 3: Fourteen minutes in, and I don't know if we've actually
Speaker 3: said anything definitive. So I'm gonna give my take on
Speaker 3: Kansas and then we can start analyzing this game. My
Speaker 3: rational take is this, there's a lot of season left
Speaker 3: and they haven't had much of anything go right, which
Speaker 3: is the biggest reason they haven't is their their own doing. Admittedly,
Speaker 3: but here's what I believe as of right now, at
Speaker 3: the halfway point of the conference late, I believe Kansas
Speaker 3: is going to win at a higher clip in the
Speaker 3: second half. In the first half they have a much
Speaker 3: softer schedule. Theoretically, I believe that this team I'm predicting
Speaker 3: on record, Kansas is gonna win eight of their last
Speaker 3: ten Big twelve games. I think they're gonna finish.
Speaker 2: Fourteen and six music.
Speaker 3: I'll play the music in the background just to give
Speaker 3: you some just to make the eventual drop funnier whenever
Speaker 3: it doesn't happen. I think Kansas is gonna finish top
Speaker 3: three in the Big Twelve. I think Kansas is gonna
Speaker 3: win any of their final ten Big Twelve games.
Speaker 8: But if they don't, well, hold on, if they don't
Speaker 8: give me a second they don't, we are gonna point
Speaker 8: at and I think they're gonna be a three seed,
Speaker 8: and I think they have a better than the fifty
Speaker 8: percent chance to make the second weekend. But if they don't,
Speaker 8: if they just if things don't get better, if they
Speaker 8: stumble their way to another six and four in the
Speaker 8: back ten, lose another home game, stumble in the and
Speaker 8: fall into a four or five seed, and have an
Speaker 8: early weekend flame out again, I think that the thing
Speaker 8: we're gonna look at for this team is saying last
Speaker 8: year Kansas had a team that lost eleven games. They
Speaker 8: really struggled on offense, and they brought back sixty percent
Speaker 8: of that team starters, none of which could shoot the ball,
Speaker 8: and they expected it to go differently, and it basically
Speaker 8: was the same season twice in a row. I believe
Speaker 8: this team's better than last year's. I think this team
Speaker 8: has pieces last year's team didn't, and I still think
Speaker 8: there's lots of time for them to figure it out.
Speaker 8: I think you're seeing signs of it getting better, Like
Speaker 8: Ryland Griffin's been a more a much more utilized player
Speaker 8: recently fory but dooone gets a piece this team didn't
Speaker 8: have last year.
Speaker 4: I think because the situations, Oh we'll.
Speaker 3: Get to that, don't you worry. But if it doesn't
Speaker 3: happen for Kansas and so far to this point you're
Speaker 3: saying it hasn't happened yet. The easy thing to point
Speaker 3: at is they are the same team from an outcome
Speaker 3: perspective as last year. Hunter Dickinson post numbers but doesn't
Speaker 3: do a whole lot in clutch moments of big games.
Speaker 3: kJ Adams is a liability at times, Dwan Harris not
Speaker 3: being a score first point guard limits the team's offensive ceiling,
Speaker 3: and the rest of the pieces around those guys. Bill
Speaker 3: self hasn't figured out the right way to utilize those rotations.
Speaker 3: That's where we're at right now. They got a half
Speaker 3: a season to figure it out. Could they do it? Sure,
Speaker 3: I'll still bet on it, considering it happens more often
Speaker 3: than not. But I am not feeling too good if
Speaker 3: my life or bank account and Camp's case depends on
Speaker 3: this team getting it together in the last few weeks
Speaker 3: of the season.
Speaker 4: Okay, so let's let's map this out. You said they
Speaker 4: were gonna go top three in the Big Twelve, correct?
Speaker 4: I like where the season?
Speaker 3: I think Houston and Iowa State and Kansas will will
Speaker 3: finish one, two, three in the Big twelve and some
Speaker 3: order yes? Do you disagree?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So, well, two their they are going to play
Speaker 4: Mormon missionaries for the next six games, so they do
Speaker 4: have a very good chance of beating those teams well,
Speaker 4: not including Iowa State and Orky State. But then they
Speaker 4: have a stretch.
Speaker 3: Think they also get Colorado twice, which theoretically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but let's let's game this out. So here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Are they're tied not to give spoilers for our epic
Speaker 4: Big Twelve standing segment. But here we go, By and
Speaker 4: Baylor are both currently six and four. Can Kansas be
Speaker 4: one game better than both those teams? Absolutely, they can
Speaker 4: be one game better than both those teams at least
Speaker 4: obviously at least a game better than both those teams
Speaker 4: the rest of the year. Right, Iowa State is seven
Speaker 4: and three. Can they be two games better than Iowa
Speaker 4: State if they beat.
Speaker 3: Him at home? Yeah, if they beat a home they
Speaker 3: beat them at home, they have the same record.
Speaker 4: True, and then they have to for them to finish
Speaker 4: top three, then they at least have They are two
Speaker 4: games behind Texas Tech, and there are three games behind Houston,
Speaker 4: who they just lost to in Arizona, who they will
Speaker 4: play later.
Speaker 3: They're in third. They don't have to be winning the
Speaker 3: iow State game, right, No, I guess they'd be fourth
Speaker 3: because then they Arizona and Tech and all these teams,
Speaker 3: all teams they play at home. That the extension of them,
Speaker 3: they don't.
Speaker 4: Have to be to be third. They obviously don't have
Speaker 4: to be better than Houston or Arizona. You could be
Speaker 4: right on that, But are they going to be two
Speaker 4: games better than Tech?
Speaker 3: The rest of We'll say right now, I predict Kansas
Speaker 3: finishes at or better in the Big Twelve standings than Arizona,
Speaker 3: They're going.
Speaker 4: To be three games better than Arizona the rest of
Speaker 4: the year.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know, dude.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 1: This isn't the Kansas that we knew in the twenty tens.
Speaker 4: That's the thing. They're not gonna go seventeen and one,
Speaker 4: but the back.
Speaker 3: Half of the Big twelve schedule. I think should I
Speaker 3: think people who are penciling in twelve and eight in
Speaker 3: the final standings, I think people are underestimating how bad
Speaker 3: their back ten games are. I mean Utah, Oklahoma State
Speaker 3: two against Colorado, one against Kansas State. Half of them
Speaker 3: right there are bottom feeders. I'm not saying it's a lock,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying I would bet on that happening. If
Speaker 3: the other alternative is the floor falls out, I might
Speaker 3: be made.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're fool But.
Speaker 1: Right now, if you either choose this correctly or your
Speaker 1: left nut sack it's chopped in half. Does Kansas go
Speaker 1: fourteen and six or thirteen and seven?
Speaker 3: U between those options?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Those options, like, if you choose incorrectly, you were gonna
Speaker 1: speak be speaking in a higher pitch voice for rest
Speaker 1: of your life. If you're if you're right, you get
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing in return.
Speaker 3: I say they go.
Speaker 2: Eight and two. Yeah, you're dead. You're dead.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't die. I just have a higher voice.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't set the parameters of how the surgery works.
Speaker 1: There's there's no.
Speaker 3: Here in this scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they go.
Speaker 4: Also, let's get let's game this out though. So let's
Speaker 4: say they have four games that are decidedly more difficult
Speaker 4: than the other six out of the out of the
Speaker 4: remaining ten games in the schedule, right, Iowa stay at
Speaker 4: Texas Tech, Houston, and Arizona. They do get three of
Speaker 4: those at home. But those are all pretty good teams
Speaker 4: to very good? Are they? Like, what's their record in
Speaker 4: those games?
Speaker 3: At least three and one? I would say four and
Speaker 3: oh if you ask me for a gun to my
Speaker 3: headpick right now.
Speaker 4: Absolutely no, absolutely no chance that they're going four.
Speaker 3: And oh if they had just not wander the Houston game.
Speaker 3: Are you saying that? Because then they would they like
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I'm not saying this. Thea like
Speaker 3: ken palm dropped on one spot for that loss, Like
Speaker 3: there are problems. We will discuss said problems. But like
Speaker 3: I don't know, we've seen, we've seen.
Speaker 4: I do think they have They have a legit chance
Speaker 4: to go six and oh in k State, Colorado, Utah BYU,
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State, Colorado.
Speaker 3: But see that even at BYU game is tougher than
Speaker 3: Arizona at home. Maybe that sounds crazy. I don't know,
Speaker 3: We'll see that is crazy. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I could see that one a little bit.
Speaker 4: There's at least three losses left for Kansas I think.
Speaker 3: I don't it wouldn't be shocking, But I'm I think
Speaker 3: that they get a couple of games that, over a
Speaker 3: twenty game sample size, you have a little bit of
Speaker 3: those variable that are out of your control sway back
Speaker 3: your way, and they win a couple coin flips in
Speaker 3: the second half after losing a couple coin flips in
Speaker 3: the first half. It wouldn't It's just the law of averages.
Speaker 3: Like Texas Tech has been really good and they lost
Speaker 3: the pretty close game to UCF at home, because eventually
Speaker 3: the luck evens out over a huge sample size, like
Speaker 3: you see it happened. Look at Iowa State, which just
Speaker 3: happened the other day. Kansas State has underachieved. Iowa State
Speaker 3: has overachieved and smashed. Two things slammed into each other,
Speaker 3: and sometimes basketball happens. Well, see if they go twelve
Speaker 3: and eight, would it stun me? No, we saw it
Speaker 3: literally happened last year. But I'm still gonna bet on
Speaker 3: the team that more often than it doesn't by a lot,
Speaker 3: figures things out. The coach that's been there before, I'll
Speaker 3: bet on that happening when the alternative is something we've
Speaker 3: only seen happen once or twice. But I might be
Speaker 3: totally wrong. This team really might be cooked based on
Speaker 3: the way that it is comprised. That is five straight
Speaker 3: losses in Waco. Now see if that experiment that you
Speaker 3: just said land and if that experiment had involved a
Speaker 3: game at Baylor, that would be a for sure loss
Speaker 3: because all they do is lose in Waco, Texas five
Speaker 3: years in a row.
Speaker 2: Good job, Bill, All.
Speaker 3: Right, let's get it on the players. Uh, Cam, tell
Speaker 3: me about the bigs because I know this is gonna
Speaker 3: trigger some talking points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fun times.
Speaker 1: Hunter Dickinson and twenty points, five rebounds, eight out of
Speaker 1: fifteen shooting. He did not score in the last ten minutes,
Speaker 1: n feled out and he did fall out. Kansas led
Speaker 1: by seven the last time he scored and promptly got
Speaker 1: outscored thirty four to sixteen the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: It's almost like he matters. Florida Badunga played just three
Speaker 1: second half minutes, leading me to promptly launch my phone
Speaker 1: Tomahawks style into Chicago street, finishing with two point zero
Speaker 1: rebounds in fifteen minutes. kJ Adams played a lot, which
Speaker 1: also led me to walk into traffic and then not
Speaker 1: get hit by a car. Sadly, he had six points,
Speaker 1: six rebounds and four turnovers in three thousand and thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: And everybody unleash your opinions.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, kJ plays way too damn much like
Speaker 3: this is this is ridiculous? Ye like, and Bill after
Speaker 3: the game is like, well, sorry, wasn't scoring. That's why
Speaker 3: he didn't play.
Speaker 2: Because he didn't play score.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that one, flor Imagine again, dude, imagine basing
Speaker 1: an entire podcast on defending playing kJ Adams thirty plus
Speaker 1: minutes per game. Couldn't be me, but I'm not an expert.
Speaker 2: Was going to be failed.
Speaker 3: Here's supposed to m cam cam got our pre show
Speaker 3: in our pre show production cadet, but a little more
Speaker 3: subtleness to it. But you know what, that's that's okay, can.
Speaker 1: You I don't care anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm a very cool boss. I don't care what you
Speaker 3: say on the on the show. That's fine. Here's the
Speaker 3: thing with kJ. So we just got rid of We
Speaker 3: just got through a stretch where Flori started four games,
Speaker 3: right because kJ got hurt against Iowa State, Flory started
Speaker 3: against k State. Flori started against Houston, UCF and TCU
Speaker 3: those four games, and those four games he averaged they
Speaker 3: double double. He averaged eleven points and ten rebounds while
Speaker 3: playing starter minutes. And for some reason, you decide, you
Speaker 3: being Bill decides that guy he doesn't score whatever, just
Speaker 3: going through a stretch in four games that kJ has
Speaker 3: never averaged eleven and ten over any four game stretch
Speaker 3: of his career. I'm not sure if kJ has four
Speaker 3: eleven point ten rebound games and his entire one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty five game plus career, and like, like, what
Speaker 3: are we doing at this point? Everybody gets it besides
Speaker 3: Bill self, And like we have the picture of John Caliperi,
Speaker 3: his Arkansaw portrait, and here saying this is Bill self
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, like what happened here? Did like
Speaker 3: he didn't. He didn't just become an idiot overnight? What
Speaker 3: is going on with kJ playing so much more that Florie?
Speaker 3: But noone is a better basketball player than kJ Adams,
Speaker 3: Like it's none of us.
Speaker 4: Bill self is so loyal, he is afraid to play
Speaker 4: players he doesn't trust.
Speaker 3: That's what why does he not trust about Flori? Flory
Speaker 3: is a better better, He's a better he might be
Speaker 3: a better posted because.
Speaker 4: kJ is safe. That's why kJ. He knows exactly what
Speaker 4: kJ is going to give him, and he will ride
Speaker 4: or die with what kJ is going to give him
Speaker 4: rather than go with the unknown quote unquote of Flory.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Flory is a better basketball player than kJ Adams. But
Speaker 4: that is the logic. I think. I think that has
Speaker 4: to be what it is. We've and we've seen this
Speaker 4: throughout his entire career, that he will play players he
Speaker 4: is loyal to. Oftentimes that has not hurt them in
Speaker 4: the way that I think it is hurting them this year.
Speaker 4: It's not that kJ made zero plays. He did make
Speaker 4: some plays in this game, but like it was, I
Speaker 4: do think it was unbelievable that that he wanted to
Speaker 4: keep kJ out there for an entire half where it
Speaker 4: was falling apart for ninety of it.
Speaker 3: I texted Daniel Cunningham after the show. Those of you
Speaker 3: who were listening back seven or eight years ago, it
Speaker 3: would infuriate Daniel when Bill self would play Jamari Traylor
Speaker 3: and Hunter Michelson type players above the Sheck Diallo's and
Speaker 3: the Carlton Braggs, because we knew what the higher ceiling
Speaker 3: was with those guys. I remember trailer over Diallo being
Speaker 3: one that made a lot of fans wonder, what are
Speaker 3: we doing with this? But there were some excuses there.
Speaker 3: Diallo was suspended at the start of the year. He
Speaker 3: never really got his feet wet, and he wasn't nearly
Speaker 3: as he was much raw, and Jamari Traylor wasn't as potent,
Speaker 3: he wasn't playing thirty minutes a game. This is actually
Speaker 3: what that felt like. You have a guy playing twenty
Speaker 3: eight to thirty two minutes a game in kJ and
Speaker 3: it's costing your most rapidly improving player any playing time
Speaker 3: in the second half, and yeah, it's baffling. And then
Speaker 3: he gets up there in the postgame presser and he
Speaker 3: acts like the reporters are a bunch of idiots. First
Speaker 3: saying like, you know, why didn't you play for him?
Speaker 3: I go, He'll imply, well, who should I have played instead?
Speaker 3: Like he was what he's doing at this point, and
Speaker 3: we sat on the show cam. You weren't on the
Speaker 3: show yet. You listen though, Nick Landon and I pounded
Speaker 3: our fists and said the way that Remy Martin was
Speaker 3: getting treated was ridiculous, and they used that he's heard
Speaker 3: excuse And when we all saw Bill yell at him
Speaker 3: after he scored twelve points in four minutes in that
Speaker 3: exhibition game, Bill didn't trust Remy. He didn't feel comfortable
Speaker 3: with remy style of basketball, which was very good. Now, Remy,
Speaker 3: we exactly that. Then then we have that right, why
Speaker 3: are you bringing these guys in if you're not going
Speaker 3: to play them? Above the freshman Dwan Harris and above
Speaker 3: this version of kJ Adams. But Remy was so damn good,
Speaker 3: being a two time All Pack twelve player, a two
Speaker 3: thousand point scorer, that he overcame this and made the
Speaker 3: most of his limitsed minutes and then self realized, oh,
Speaker 3: he's our best player. He has to play. But if
Speaker 3: that season didn't end with the national title and most
Speaker 3: outstanding player of the of the Midwest Region, Remy Martin
Speaker 3: wasn't a thing. Then fans would be think about what
Speaker 3: we'd be saying about Bill Self if Remy didn't single
Speaker 3: handedly get that team to a Final four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just clicked with me that Remy was not
Speaker 1: playing behind freshman Dewan Harris. I did not even think
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: That is asinine and freshman de Juan Harris. Freshman Dejan
Speaker 3: Harris had strengths much like kJ has strengths, and a
Speaker 3: lot of the denominators were the same. Good defense, hustle, plays,
Speaker 3: tries really hard. But whenever you're keeping a guy and
Speaker 3: I'm not comparing freshman Flory Badunga, who has his inconsistency,
Speaker 3: he's not very good on defense. He fouls all the
Speaker 3: damn time. I'm not comparing him to a polished fifth
Speaker 3: year senior Remy Martin. But the underlying denominators are the same.
Speaker 3: Bill self is choosing to play a guy that he
Speaker 3: trusts that is a much lower ceiling over a guy
Speaker 3: that I think the overwhelming consensus of us think is
Speaker 3: a better basketball player, and it's dooming his team does
Speaker 3: Kansas win this game. If Flory plays more than caj
Speaker 3: in the second half, maybe maybe not probably, But kJ,
Speaker 3: like the thing that they're supposed to love about kJ
Speaker 3: is he he doesn't he's makes smart plays and then
Speaker 3: he leads him in turnovers and like, well he doesn't
Speaker 3: suit a lot, but when he does, they're hypercentede shots.
Speaker 3: As he goes like two for six, what are we doing?
Speaker 4: A great defense and a half where they gave up
Speaker 4: freaking sixty.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 4: Then there's that did not single handedly give up sixty,
Speaker 4: but like it's not working.
Speaker 3: And Dickenson. One thing about Dickenson, I have defended him
Speaker 3: as much as anybody on ku Twitter, but he's got
Speaker 3: to make plays down the stretch of games. I said
Speaker 3: at the beginning of that game. They need him. Baylor
Speaker 3: doesn't have a super strong backcourt or front court. Rather,
Speaker 3: and Omier had sixteen and fourteen starring in the second half,
Speaker 3: as Dickinson didn't score in the last ten minutes and
Speaker 3: he alway did. The only stats he recorded in those
Speaker 3: last events were fouls like that, and I get it,
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it. kJ plays the whole
Speaker 3: half that very frequently. Scott Drew's defense had two guys
Speaker 3: on Hunter. They made it very difficult for k to
Speaker 3: throw the ball inside to him. I get it, I
Speaker 3: saw it. It drove me crazy. But you gotta score
Speaker 3: more than zero in the last twenty minutes as you're
Speaker 3: in the last ten minutes, as your team is bleeding
Speaker 3: to death, if you're a fifth year senior All America,
Speaker 3: that really hurt them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's also the kind of stuff people have
Speaker 4: complained about about Hunter Dickinson, which is not all his fault,
Speaker 4: but nonetheless that is also that that was what I
Speaker 4: was talking about last year with Hunter Dickinson, is that
Speaker 4: he's not a guy that is going to just based
Speaker 4: on his skill set alone, which is not one hundred
Speaker 4: percent his fault, obviously, because he didn't decide to be
Speaker 4: seven foot one and and kind of slow. But he's
Speaker 4: not a guy that's going to be able to just
Speaker 4: buy himself create a lot. He's a product of his offense.
Speaker 4: He's a very good product of his offense, but he
Speaker 4: is a product of his team. And that's not a
Speaker 4: guy you can rely on in games like this a
Speaker 4: lot of the time because he is so dependent on
Speaker 4: matchup and on how other teams are playing him. Yes,
Speaker 4: of course he can do things individually, but he's not
Speaker 4: a guy you can count on for that because he's
Speaker 4: dependent so much on situation.
Speaker 3: How would you handle the minutes? Yeah, between these three players,
Speaker 3: like you can have up to eighty. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you want to play two bigs the entirety of
Speaker 3: a game, but how what would you do? And I
Speaker 3: know there's a lot of factors like matchup here, but
Speaker 3: how would you allocate these minutes? I think I would
Speaker 3: have Dickinson for thirty, Flory for twenty five, and kJ
Speaker 3: for about twelve, unless it was a matchup like Cincinnati
Speaker 3: where those serious quarity hustle plays are more important.
Speaker 1: Serious question, how many top coaches in America would play
Speaker 1: kJ Adams over thirty minutes per game minus Bill Solf?
Speaker 2: How many? I think early.
Speaker 3: I think if you could actually know that answer, it
Speaker 3: would be a shockingly low level number of coaches.
Speaker 1: It's not a knock again, Look, it's not a knock
Speaker 1: against kJ.
Speaker 2: He has value.
Speaker 1: We've said this forever, but you can't play him thirty
Speaker 1: minutes per game.
Speaker 3: You can't know he's like Mitch like twelve minutes a game.
Speaker 4: I think twelve minutes. He's the same, exactly correct, Ryan.
Speaker 3: He that's what Mitch played and we thought, you know,
Speaker 3: he had four points and three rebounds and had the
Speaker 3: hustle plays. And we argued at times Land and that
Speaker 3: that was too much.
Speaker 4: He's better than Mitch. kJ is so much better than Mitch.
Speaker 1: But okay, so fifth, like, let's say fifteen minutes per game.
Speaker 1: If you have kJ playing fifteen minutes per game on
Speaker 1: this roster, Flory plays, I don't know, twenty five minutes
Speaker 1: hundred thirty Griffin plays more. What is the ceiling of
Speaker 1: this team compared to what it is now?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so much higher. It's so much higher, and
Speaker 3: I think it's higher. For sure, Ryland Griffin is going
Speaker 3: to start. He is going to start at some point.
Speaker 3: Bill self has to know. That's the offense that they
Speaker 3: have to shoot for in the NCAATE tournament. There's so
Speaker 3: much more versatile with him out.
Speaker 2: Why do you.
Speaker 4: Why do you believe that Bill self has to know that?
Speaker 4: But he's gonna play kJ thirty minutes a game.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: It beats me and and I don't claim proclaim to
Speaker 3: know more than a Hall of Fame coach, but it
Speaker 3: is baffling how he continues to do it and no
Speaker 3: one really asks questions that push on why exactly, Like
Speaker 3: it's bizarre. I think that the starting five is obvious
Speaker 3: at this point, even though I still think that, look,
Speaker 3: they have to start Florian Hunter together, right, you have to,
Speaker 3: but even that line, but then if you have Harris
Speaker 3: out there, you're still rolling out there with two shooters
Speaker 3: with five guys on the floor, and that feels like
Speaker 3: a recipe to get you burned. I still think the
Speaker 3: highest ceiling lineup and it's it's not aj Store because
Speaker 3: he just isn't it. But I still look at it
Speaker 3: and think, I think the highest ceiling lineup is at
Speaker 3: least three scorers on the floor or three shooters on
Speaker 3: the floor. And they can't do that, But so you
Speaker 3: got you can not but go below two three is optimal.
Speaker 3: But geez, it's just the team. Is that the pieces
Speaker 3: around him? He could be so good And let's talk
Speaker 3: about some of these other players here. Dewan was second
Speaker 3: in scoring twelve points. He also had eight assists in
Speaker 3: a team leading thirty three minutes. He was four of
Speaker 3: nine from the floor and missed all of his three
Speaker 3: struggle to the line. I some fans lump Dewan Harris
Speaker 3: and kJ into the same equation. I think Harris does
Speaker 3: so many more things that show up in the box
Speaker 3: score than than kJ does. I'm fine with the one playing.
Speaker 3: I don't need the thirty thirty five minutes he gets.
Speaker 3: I think Shaq Moor should eat into that. And self
Speaker 3: just isn't interested in playing Shaq More. This is the
Speaker 3: second game in a row he didn't score. He played
Speaker 3: just ten minutes, barely got off the bench in the
Speaker 3: second half, and Self was like, well, I played Coit
Speaker 3: and kJ because they were scoring, and Florian Shaq worns
Speaker 3: like okay, it's okay to sit Dewan Harris. Sometimes he's
Speaker 3: not a thirty five minutes a game point guard, Like
Speaker 3: he's not. He's also on a bump.
Speaker 4: What a weird arc for shack More like heard at
Speaker 4: the beginning of the year, didn't play, comes into the team,
Speaker 4: plays a little bit, then establishes himself as like borderline,
Speaker 4: a core piece of the team, and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden it's just relegated to the bench when anything
Speaker 4: serious happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is really bizarre.
Speaker 3: Based off what I've seen with this team. I would
Speaker 3: play Harris about twenty five minutes a game. I would
Speaker 3: add I would have the other fifteen being Shack Morre's
Speaker 3: time to run the show, and maybe you give Shack
Speaker 3: a little bit more, let's say fifteen. That's forty minutes.
Speaker 3: I would play Zeke Mayo thirty five minutes a game
Speaker 3: that's seventy five. I would play Hunter Dickinson thirty minutes
Speaker 3: a game that's one hundred and five. I play Forory
Speaker 3: Badonga twenty five minutes a game that's one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 3: I would play Ryland Griffin another thirty minutes a game
Speaker 3: that's one hundred and sixty. And then that gives about
Speaker 3: twelve for kJ one seventy two and uh then that
Speaker 3: that gives you about fifteen for Quoit, which is one
Speaker 3: eighty eight, and another twelve for AJ store. That's twelve.
Speaker 3: That's two hundred.
Speaker 4: I don't know how all the matchs will not playing
Speaker 4: a j store twelve minutes bro.
Speaker 3: Okay, Then then maybe you up the ones to twenty eight,
Speaker 3: maybe you up floories to twenty seven, and that eats
Speaker 3: into AJ store.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Cam tell us about the rest of the players, and
Speaker 3: then that whole conversation may make more sense.
Speaker 1: Sure, Zeke Mayo struggled, finishing with eight points. He was
Speaker 1: three for nine shooting, most of which were threes. He
Speaker 1: played thirty two minutes. Riland Griffin was really good in
Speaker 1: the first half, finishing with eleven points on four of
Speaker 1: a shooting in cleaning two for four from three in
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes. David quit at at eight points and
Speaker 1: a couple of threes and twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: A J.
Speaker 1: Storer had three points in six minutes. He was a
Speaker 1: non factor similar to the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: Sad Sadri.
Speaker 4: We love Zeke Mayo here, but dribble around for fifteen
Speaker 4: seconds for a step.
Speaker 2: Back guard three.
Speaker 4: It is not my favorite play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he also was rough on defense too. He
Speaker 3: heard him on defense a lot. He's a very good
Speaker 3: offensive guard. Defense not his real strength, which theoretically the
Speaker 3: rest of his team, especially if kJ never sits down,
Speaker 3: the rest of his team should be good enough on
Speaker 3: defense to off set that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's not like every single player on the floor has
Speaker 3: to be an elite defender for a team to still
Speaker 3: be good on defense. But like Quoit and Griffin were
Speaker 3: really good in the first half and then neither one
Speaker 3: of them did much of anything in the second half,
Speaker 3: and look what happened. Griffin needs to play. Griffin needs
Speaker 3: to start. Like, I don't know what else you need
Speaker 3: to see to not think that Ryland Griffin, for what
Speaker 3: his talents are and what this team is desperate for,
Speaker 3: he shouldn't be one of your guys getting twenty seven
Speaker 3: to thirty minutes a game. He's not even a liability
Speaker 3: on defense either, Like, like that's the other thing. This
Speaker 3: isn't Brandon Green out there, who's snipping his own farts
Speaker 3: on defense. This is this is a competent player that
Speaker 3: started on a Final four team.
Speaker 4: Play him, agreed. I think he should play more.
Speaker 3: Not concerned about Zeke. Not concerned about Zeke quit will
Speaker 3: be fine. Griffin is playing more, which I like. And
Speaker 3: AJ sore, Yeah, this should have been the matchup for
Speaker 3: aj store right athletic team, long athletic team. Every one
Speaker 3: of Baylor's players really is like they're built like AJ
Speaker 3: store long and athletic, and he just isn't even close.
Speaker 4: No, he's having a really really bad season. I kind
Speaker 4: of feel for him in a way, but he should
Speaker 4: not play. I would not play him at all.
Speaker 1: Frankly, I feel bad for so I remember he's making
Speaker 1: like a million.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. It helps. Money is nice. Here are
Speaker 3: some more stats, and then we can just go off
Speaker 3: for a couple minutes. I guess this is the first
Speaker 3: time ever, ever, in the history of Kansas basketball, that
Speaker 3: Kansas has led by twenty points in a basketball game
Speaker 3: and wound up losing that game. That you go all
Speaker 3: the way back to the James Nasmith days when they
Speaker 3: built an instrumountable thirty two to twelve lead. They never
Speaker 3: lost one of those games ever. And Baylor not you know,
Speaker 3: losing a Baylor in the past has been And Baylor's good,
Speaker 3: they're a tournament team. They're they're fine, but like they
Speaker 3: aren't the same team we're used to here. They lost
Speaker 3: their lottery pick wing due to injury in the second half.
Speaker 3: You guys mentioned they already didn't have Jeremy Roach who
Speaker 3: didn't play, they didn't have Langston Love and they still
Speaker 3: made quick work of this. And yes, what Cam says
Speaker 3: about very very very very ancient times in Kansas is true.
Speaker 3: And now we're kind of dealing with the opposite of that.
Speaker 3: So okay, final kind of put a bow on this game.
Speaker 3: I know we talked about Kansas their future, talked about
Speaker 3: this team and whatever. You can look at it from
Speaker 3: two different ways. You can say that you know, suddenly
Speaker 3: Kansas has gone from being one of the lucky by
Speaker 3: the Lucky metric on ken Palm. They've gone for being
Speaker 3: in the top twenty in the non con to being
Speaker 3: in the bottom two hundred and thirty now. So ken
Speaker 3: Pom believes they're getting unlucky relative to the games they're playing.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that they're analyzing every possession. That just
Speaker 3: says considering the matchups and considering how they're they're ultimately
Speaker 3: losing based on win probabilities. They've had some things work
Speaker 3: against them in conference play. It is self inflicted.
Speaker 4: Obviously.
Speaker 3: I think that there's enough wins in the second half
Speaker 3: of the schedule for the record to stabilize, But I
Speaker 3: don't know if that necessarily means the problems on this
Speaker 3: team will be fixed in time to prevent another disappointment
Speaker 3: in say a tournament. But man, you like West Virginia, Baylor,
Speaker 3: and Houston. All three of those games were right there
Speaker 3: for the taking and they didn't. They didn't win any
Speaker 3: of them. They're zero and three and coin flip games
Speaker 3: in Big twelve play, which is a real problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. And I think this team is just
Speaker 4: consistently inconsistent. I think there's a good chance that this
Speaker 4: is what this team is.
Speaker 3: Not.
Speaker 4: A team that will lose every game, a team that
Speaker 4: will play very well sometimes, a team that will will
Speaker 4: look the part, and then also sometimes a team that
Speaker 4: just really really won't. You saw that in two halves
Speaker 4: in this game, And I think that might be the
Speaker 4: team that Kansas is. A team that when they show
Speaker 4: up they are very good, and a team that when
Speaker 4: they don't, it's just it's not there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you.
Speaker 1: Nothing really good to add to this conversation other than
Speaker 1: if you guys ever eat popcorn kernels that aren't cooked,
Speaker 1: you're just mentally insane. I just chewed on a couple
Speaker 1: of them. Not recommended. Kansas sucks, all right, one parf.
Speaker 4: Of the road coach Bill Selth stubborn ass.
Speaker 3: So before we get to Big twelve games, Cam, you
Speaker 3: just told me a fact. But here's your bonus fact
Speaker 3: of the day from Cam.
Speaker 1: Yep, bonus factor of the day in case you guys
Speaker 1: were hoping this would happen before the NCAA tournament, just
Speaker 1: to enter hopes early. An asteroid in twenty thirty two
Speaker 1: has been ruled by scientists to have about a one
Speaker 1: percent chance of hitting the Earth. It's six feet it's
Speaker 1: not big. It's one hundred and ninety six feet wide,
Speaker 1: which is I mean, it's kind of big. I guess
Speaker 1: it's not big enough to cause catastrophic damage, but it's enough.
Speaker 2: Maybe it will.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, it is, depending on where it hits.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's a city destroying asteroid. It sounds unimpressive in size,
Speaker 3: but two hundred foot size asteroids that as small as
Speaker 3: a house can destroy small towns.
Speaker 1: Sir.
Speaker 3: They hit the freaking surface fast if they don't burn up.
Speaker 3: And also, you said a one percent chance, would it
Speaker 3: make you panic if I told you that is more
Speaker 3: than twice as likely as Houston's win an Allen Field
Speaker 3: House with eighteen seconds left was and that happened. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's been in stir beyond. Theoretically speaking, two of those
Speaker 3: asteroids would hit the Earth for every one Houston comeback
Speaker 3: at allen Field House. And we already got the Houston
Speaker 3: comeback at allen Field House. So wonder what's next. Well, boys,
Speaker 3: it was a bonanza of a week in Big twelve
Speaker 3: play this week. There are every one of these games,
Speaker 3: with the exception of Oklahoma States really well has a
Speaker 3: talking point three of these games and Kansas and Kansas's
Speaker 3: Kansas blowing the biggest lead in the history of the
Speaker 3: school is a talking point too. But in Ames, Iowa,
Speaker 3: something happened that has literally never happened before, which is
Speaker 3: a sub five hundred team beat a top three team
Speaker 3: on the road by a lot of points. Because Kansas
Speaker 3: State eighty number three, Iowa State sixty one. I'm what, what's.
Speaker 2: Just my jobbed?
Speaker 4: See when we get to this point, I do. I
Speaker 4: was silent on accident for a few seconds, and then
Speaker 4: I was silent on purpose for many more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I was doing the same thing. It happened, genuinely,
Speaker 3: don't pouring one out for Iowa State's home winning streak
Speaker 3: is what we were all doing there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, typically when I will take it up. In a
Speaker 4: stunning and historic upset, k State became the first sub
Speaker 4: five hundred team to be the top five opponent on
Speaker 4: the road by fifteen points ever in the history basketball.
Speaker 4: Coleman Hawkins had seventeen points. Doug McDaniel added twenty, but
Speaker 4: according to a fake account on Twitter, he is illiterate.
Speaker 4: That was a funny. Uh. The Wildcats made ten threes.
Speaker 4: They forced eighteen turnovers. I Was State forced eighteen turno themselves.
Speaker 4: They also drew twenty two fouls. They still lost by
Speaker 4: nineteen at home. Their twenty nine game home winning streak
Speaker 4: is over. Curtis Jones, meanwhile, was four for fifteen from three,
Speaker 4: meaning he is squarely unpaced to be the Asian man
Speaker 4: making baskets with both hands. Basketball arcade game gift in
Speaker 4: Allen Field House tonight, that's gonna happen. I think he's
Speaker 4: gonna go like seven to nine.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably gonna be painful. And there's so you know
Speaker 3: that the whole logistics of a team being angry and
Speaker 3: fired up after a loss. Iowa State lost in heartbreaking
Speaker 3: fashion and then they come home and drop this turd.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how legit it is, but you
Speaker 3: have two pretty mad teams playing an Allen Field House
Speaker 3: on Monday night. Iowa State has only won here one
Speaker 3: since Bill Clinton was president, I think, and Kansas is
Speaker 3: not exactly inspiring. A lot of confidence. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: curious to hear what you guys think happens in that game.
Speaker 3: But this was a weird one Kansas State. We knew
Speaker 3: that the Ross had talent, and oh boy, it just
Speaker 3: came together at the right point. Can't wait to see
Speaker 3: Kanabis go out there on Saturday. Right, surely that one
Speaker 3: go bad. Surely, surely help. Oh this is my job. Definitely.
Speaker 3: Number twenty two Texas Tech eighty two, Number six Houston
Speaker 3: eighty one in overtime CAM another stunning upset on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a gutty win for Texas Tech, who lost JT.
Speaker 1: Top And and Grant McCaslin in the opening five minutes
Speaker 1: via ejections because college basketball refs suck. They're responded by
Speaker 1: making twelve threes, getting twenty three points from Chance McMillan
Speaker 1: and tern In Houston over twelve times. The Red Raiders
Speaker 1: are eight and two. They are now a top ten
Speaker 1: team via Ken Pom. Houston had won thirty three straight
Speaker 1: home games. Also, the KU radio crew predicted post Baylor
Speaker 1: loss that KU will win there this year.
Speaker 2: How, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: That did happen. Yeah, the not Brian Haney and Greg
Speaker 3: Early like the postgame show in the studio, guys said,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make a prediction, kans is gonna win in
Speaker 3: Houston because our guys felt that pain on their home court.
Speaker 3: So they're gonna go down there and get revenge because
Speaker 3: apparently being mad that you blow a historic comeback makes
Speaker 3: the ball go in the basket against the top five team.
Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, they will not win in Houston.
Speaker 2: No, they'll lose by like twelve.
Speaker 3: Did either I was gonna say, all of his hand,
Speaker 3: this is me scrambling to the to the kiosk to
Speaker 3: bammer Kansas or Houston minus twelve in that game? Also,
Speaker 3: did either of you two see the JT topp and
Speaker 3: ejection legitimately maybe the worst ejection I've ever seen in
Speaker 3: my time watching sports. It was unbelievad I saw that
Speaker 3: it happened, I didn't see the exact circumstances.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the circumstance.
Speaker 3: He was passing. He threw a cross court pass, and
Speaker 3: his elbow went into the Houston guy's chest and knocked
Speaker 3: him down, and they called a flagrant two. They went
Speaker 3: to the model and upgraded a common foul to a
Speaker 3: flagrant two on a pass and Grant McCaslin. Just yieaded
Speaker 3: his towel into the crowd. Well, like, there's a shot
Speaker 3: of him during the technical freakos watching the ref screen
Speaker 3: of the replay of the call, and he just had
Speaker 3: had enough. Love that and also love how that team responded.
Speaker 3: What a cool, badass statement to lose your coach and
Speaker 3: your best player in the opening four minutes on the
Speaker 3: road against the top five team and then say screw it,
Speaker 3: we're gonna beat him anyway. Pretty awesome win for the
Speaker 3: Red Raiders. Like, can't see that team winning an Allen
Speaker 3: Field House right right right?
Speaker 2: Help me, I think, help me?
Speaker 3: Oh good? The dial lands on me here to talk
Speaker 3: about Arizona eighty one Arizona State seventy two. Did you
Speaker 3: guys see what happened in this game? I did, Bob, Yes,
Speaker 3: yes he is. The Wildcats did win the game. They're
Speaker 3: nine to one in league play. They had the final
Speaker 3: or they had the entire second half in hand. They
Speaker 3: won pretty easily, but major fireworks happened in the final
Speaker 3: thirty second. Caleb Love, who scored twenty seven points, got
Speaker 3: intentionally headbutted like just a cheap shot, dirty play with
Speaker 3: the clock running out. By bj Freeman. The refs responded
Speaker 3: by ejecting both of them, even though Caleb Love didn't
Speaker 3: really do anything. He's like, what the hell was that
Speaker 3: He's not he threw a punch or anything. Why would
Speaker 3: they get a call correct? Is the question here, of course.
Speaker 3: But then after the final horn, so Tommy Lloyd walks
Speaker 3: over to Arizona State sideline of shake hands, and Bobby
Speaker 3: Hurley just says, no, I'm not gonna shake your hand
Speaker 3: and sends his entire team to the locker room to
Speaker 3: skip the handshake line entirely. It says actually in the
Speaker 3: note certified bitch Boy, Bobby Hurley refused to shake down
Speaker 3: Lloyd's hand. Imagine being all of the clown that your
Speaker 3: brother Dan is with none of the NCAA tournament's success,
Speaker 3: because that's what Bobby Hurley is. Then the postgame presser, Oh,
Speaker 3: go for it.
Speaker 4: This is also rivalry games, though, you know, like, would
Speaker 4: you be saying this about Bill self if this happened
Speaker 4: at the end of a KUK State game.
Speaker 3: Well, but I think it's his postgame quote that really
Speaker 3: has people up in arms, because then he said he
Speaker 3: made sure to go out of his way and go
Speaker 3: oh by the way, like after his last question, I
Speaker 3: have a vote for the pat of the all Big
Speaker 3: twelve teams, and I can tell you who won't be
Speaker 3: getting my vote. And then he walked away. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, I think that I think the conference should
Speaker 3: the Conference should right there to make a statement out
Speaker 3: of it. They should say he's not voting for awards.
Speaker 3: Just take it away right there. That's nonsense, that's absolutely
Speaker 3: not Caleb Love is a twenty two year old kid,
Speaker 3: and you got a grown ass, little troll looking man
Speaker 3: that's terminally butt hurt because Love owned his team. I
Speaker 3: guess you can add Arizona State and Bobby Hurley to
Speaker 3: the coach k club of people who have to send
Speaker 3: Caleb Love cards on Father's Day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby Hurley is the clown that Dan Hurley is,
Speaker 1: but with zero success except for beating Bill that one time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like four and sixteen against Arizona or something
Speaker 3: like that. Like they just completely own him and he
Speaker 3: acts like a joke, I guess. And then that was
Speaker 3: it for the interesting games. Oklahoma State eighty one, Utah
Speaker 3: seventy two. Landon a lot of people attended this game,
Speaker 3: and I saw a picture of it at that is
Speaker 3: not correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, according to the box score, was a seven thousand
Speaker 4: and forty people attended this game, Ryan saill lie so
Speaker 4: good to think a politicians said it. Yeah, hey, seem right.
Speaker 4: Doesn't seem right?
Speaker 3: No, I I saw a picture. There are not seven
Speaker 3: thousand bucks in seats, no chance unless half of them
Speaker 3: dressed up as empty seats BYU eighty one, UCF seventy five.
Speaker 3: CAM probo is coming and Kansas is bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kansas will lose. There will probably be forced to
Speaker 1: convert to Mormonism. A really good win for the Cougars,
Speaker 1: who got six threes from Richie Saunders and fourteen overall.
Speaker 1: Richie Saunders sounds like the name of a man from
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties. Provo is going to suck harder for
Speaker 1: Kansas than something that I can't read in the next sentence.
Speaker 2: And oh man, I'm dumb enough to start reading it.
Speaker 3: I thought I had a chance Land And I don't
Speaker 3: know I would to put the odds at like plug
Speaker 3: three hundred on CAM saying that.
Speaker 4: But I thought that was a crazy sentence.
Speaker 2: Gotta be quicker than that. It is just like Monica Lewins.
Speaker 3: It's Also, it's it's not nearly as crazy as Kansas
Speaker 3: losing in provo. When Richie Saunders becomes the Asian man
Speaker 3: making baskets.
Speaker 1: Richie Saunders owns like five Kentucky Fried chickens. That's a
Speaker 1: dude that just owns a random restaurant like Chaine and
Speaker 1: just retires enough. He doesn't play basketball, Yeah, he's he
Speaker 1: doesn't play hoops.
Speaker 3: He's probably married with the.
Speaker 2: Guys on that team.
Speaker 1: On the weekend he does doc trading.
Speaker 3: Their senior day was so funny last year. I don't
Speaker 3: remember if it was Noah Waterman or Spencer Johnson. It
Speaker 3: was one of them that like as they walk out,
Speaker 3: you know how most of the time they walk it
Speaker 3: with their parents. One of them walked out with their
Speaker 3: wife and two freaking kids because at b YU they're
Speaker 3: like thirty six years old when they graduate. But it
Speaker 3: was a good win. It was a good win for them.
Speaker 3: I'll give him that. That's Cam heat something up in
Speaker 3: the microwave, West Virginia.
Speaker 2: That was fifty. You didn't say it, guys.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys, but I am really
Speaker 3: tired of losing pickup points with Cincinnati because Javon small
Speaker 3: had nineteen sixteen more for Joe. Yes, THEFU remember him,
Speaker 3: including four for four from three and since he's barely
Speaker 3: shot thirty percent. There is now a law in place
Speaker 3: on this podcast where you legally cannot pick them because
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 1: Ass I'm going to pick them today.
Speaker 3: Colorado fifty seven, Colorado's OH to ten guys and TC.
Speaker 3: You didn't even play well and they beat him by
Speaker 3: double digits.
Speaker 1: I picked Colorado Colorado to cover. They're not even kidding.
Speaker 4: That was crazy.
Speaker 1: I know it was like seven points and.
Speaker 2: They do cover.
Speaker 3: They're they're not They're just bun.
Speaker 4: They are bad for so surely the sign of a
Speaker 4: man that needs hell.
Speaker 3: All the number cams.
Speaker 1: I call the number for everyone listening, guys. I put
Speaker 1: one dollar down, all right, everyone calm down, one dollar.
Speaker 2: I put one.
Speaker 3: Dollars me dialing the number to try to get Camson
Speaker 3: Dambling help.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask them for advice.
Speaker 3: Bet betting on an OH to nine team that has
Speaker 3: not won a game since before Christmas when they beat Bellermine.
Speaker 3: Betting on that team to do because there is straight
Speaker 3: psychopathic behavior.
Speaker 1: That means they're due, they haven't won, that something's coming.
Speaker 3: Sure, So Kansas is due to win Waco, then, is
Speaker 3: what you're saying? How'd that work out?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't touch that one.
Speaker 6: So much.
Speaker 3: Other games. There's a lot here. Oh, we didn't do
Speaker 3: big twelve standings. Okay, we're gonna speed this up here.
Speaker 3: Houston and Arizona nine and one. Third is text Teck
Speaker 3: at eight and two in Iowa State right behind them,
Speaker 3: and fourth that's seven and.
Speaker 4: Three Kansas, b YU, and Baylor all tied for fifth,
Speaker 4: A six and four. West Virginia is five and five.
Speaker 4: U cf Utah k State are all four and six
Speaker 4: tied for ninth.
Speaker 3: No, but everybody misses TCU.
Speaker 2: Yeah, TCU sucks. They don't exist.
Speaker 1: Number thirteen, the Arizona state, Oklahoma State Throe and seven,
Speaker 1: number fifteen, Cincinnati two and eight, number sixteen's uh, Colorado,
Speaker 1: who should secede from the Union?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Ten?
Speaker 3: No, actually, cam there's a in very small letters after
Speaker 3: oh and ten. It does say in parentheses, but they're.
Speaker 1: Two after they're going to get one. They're going to
Speaker 1: get one.
Speaker 2: Just wait.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you heard it here you're Colorado Kansas game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it's got a better winning at Houston,
Speaker 3: Colorado's last ten games. Tell me what the win is
Speaker 3: here at Utah, Houston at home at Kansas, UCF at
Speaker 3: Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas at k State at Texas Tech,
Speaker 3: t see you. I don't know if they're a win there, they.
Speaker 2: Probably make it's or by miracle. The sniping Houston at home.
Speaker 3: Da oh, I was gonna say that that's not the
Speaker 3: most likely team they're gonna snipe at home. Any guesses,
Speaker 3: as his head up asked, you just know that game
Speaker 3: is gonna be sixty one to fifty eight at the
Speaker 3: final TV timeout, like it's it's it's gonna happen. And
Speaker 3: that game starts at ten o'clock. By the way, at
Speaker 3: Kansas losing and Boulder at midnight on a Tuesday night
Speaker 3: or whatever. That is just awful. Other games, well, there
Speaker 3: have been a lot of victories in the history of
Speaker 3: college basketball, but I am not sure that there's ever
Speaker 3: been a sweeter one for one single individual in the
Speaker 3: history of the sport than what John Caliperi experienced on
Speaker 3: Saturday night, who brought his Arkansas Razorbacks into rep Arena
Speaker 3: as a nine point underdog and left with a huge
Speaker 3: upset Cam I did say in the last show, I
Speaker 3: sneakily like their chances, not enough to pick him because
Speaker 3: I'm a gutless coward, but I thought that they'd be
Speaker 3: fired up to pay for the play for their coach.
Speaker 3: They were due. Some might say Arkansas won eighty nine
Speaker 3: to seventy nine over number twelve Kentucky. The Razorbacks made
Speaker 3: thirteen threes and got twenty one points from Adieu Thierro.
Speaker 3: Should Kentucky fans have booed the purple coat wearing John Calipery,
Speaker 3: I say, absolutely not. Those ungrateful bitches.
Speaker 4: They shouldn't have. But I'm not shocked.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I like most these fans can't even read John Calipery.
Speaker 3: I'm all for booing a villain in sports. Like there
Speaker 3: were people when the Royals were coming off the World
Speaker 3: Series loss that wanted the team to give a standing
Speaker 3: ovation to Madison Bob Burdener out of respect, and I said,
Speaker 3: that was the stupidest crap I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 3: You should boo the hell out of that guy. All
Speaker 3: in good spirits. Everyone respects what he did, but boo him,
Speaker 3: boo him. He hurt your team. John Calipari won you
Speaker 3: a championship and took you to four final fours. Well,
Speaker 3: how are you booing that man for? When people compared
Speaker 3: it to Roy Williams. How Roy Williams got booed by
Speaker 3: Kansas fans. Roy said he wasn't gonna leave and left.
Speaker 3: He left my Joyce. John Kliperry got run out of town. Oh,
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I thought for sure he would
Speaker 3: get a standing ovation and he got pooed loud.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Teking fans are not they're delusional. Well, they're not
Speaker 1: known for class.
Speaker 3: Crazy, just crazy like and they got what they deserved.
Speaker 3: And Cal that team who knows right. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it'll start in an ascension to save their season
Speaker 3: or if they'll go to the tournament, but I guarantee
Speaker 3: that's gonna be. That might be Cal's favorite winever deep down.
Speaker 4: I bet so, other than the title probably Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wonder who he beat there, damnit, damnit, damn it.
Speaker 4: Bill elsewhere in the sec. Number one Auburn and keeps
Speaker 4: on winning as I got out of Ole Miss with
Speaker 4: a ninety two to eighty two win over number twenty
Speaker 4: three running Rebels. That's the name that maybe should be changed.
Speaker 4: Keeping placed with him at the top of the SEC
Speaker 4: was number four Alabama, who smashed Georgia, but incredibly up
Speaker 4: to third place his number twenty Missouri, Ryan, you were
Speaker 4: just a year early with Missoo. Gonna win twenty games
Speaker 4: for sure, I know it. They are six and two
Speaker 4: after absolutely dominating him for fourteen Missippi State eighty sixty
Speaker 4: one on the road.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Last, the Tigers made fifteen threes, including six from Caleb Grill.
Speaker 4: They are seventeen and four on the year.
Speaker 1: Good team, Yeah, I don't know. It's it's hard to
Speaker 1: follow that up with anything positive about Missoo. A few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, Tennessee played one of the ugliest games in
Speaker 1: the history of the sport in a blowout road loss
Speaker 1: at Florida. The inverse happened on Saturday, as number eight
Speaker 1: Tennessee got revenge sixty four.
Speaker 2: To forty four over number five Florida.
Speaker 1: In this game, the Gators shot an unfathomable twenty four
Speaker 1: percent from the floor, which equates to thirty baskets out
Speaker 1: of fifty three shots aka j Adams playing forty minutes.
Speaker 3: That should be a tournament ban if you failed to
Speaker 3: shoot twenty five percent in a game in forty minutes
Speaker 3: that should be a tournament ban. The entire College Game
Speaker 3: Day crew picked Florida to win that game. By the way,
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure what they were thinking, but that happened.
Speaker 3: Also shocking, Porter Moser beat a ranked team, which is
Speaker 3: even more unlikely than Baylor's comeback percentage. At one point
Speaker 3: the game was kind of similar to that too, as
Speaker 3: number twenty four Vanderbilt jumped to a thirty eight twenty
Speaker 3: seven lead on Oklahoma, only to be outscored and a
Speaker 3: Baylor runs over Kansas style seventy to twenty nine the
Speaker 3: rest of the way and yeah, somehow and lose by
Speaker 3: thirty Porter along with sister j oh my god, I
Speaker 3: almost got myself on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nope, yep.
Speaker 4: Finally losing to Cam's ecstasy was number seven Michigan's Boys,
Speaker 4: who fell at USC seventy sixty four for the first
Speaker 4: Big Ten loss. The top of the Big Ten is
Speaker 4: now tied between Spartan's number ten Perdue, who needed a
Speaker 4: late Mike woodsoning to escape Indiana at home by five.
Speaker 4: Indiana led that game for a long time. I did
Speaker 4: not finish with the lead.
Speaker 3: I know somebody else who led for most of the
Speaker 3: game and wound up not being able to finish.
Speaker 4: Coach Bill self stubborn, oh man, Phil Rivers has never
Speaker 4: had that problem in one of his.
Speaker 1: All right, so quick, guys, who is leading the Big
Speaker 1: East right now?
Speaker 2: Anybody st John's when you know the answer? It is crazy.
Speaker 4: That was a game that was on at a restaurant
Speaker 4: I had lunchat on Saturday. It is a great game,
Speaker 4: great Providence.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did beat Providence on a buzzer beater to
Speaker 1: get a ten to one reg reg Oh boy league play. Oh,
Speaker 1: you can insert a joke there. They got help from
Speaker 1: number twenty five Yukon, who better not still be ranked
Speaker 1: this week and their win at number nine Marquette seventy
Speaker 1: seven to sixty nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shaka starts gagging any time they have expectations. We
Speaker 3: know that. But Yukon being ranked in Arizona not is
Speaker 3: the biggest malpractice in the history of the AP Top
Speaker 3: twenty five. Seriously, I'm not joking. The biggest malpractice in
Speaker 3: the history of the AP Top twenty five. My theory
Speaker 3: on this is people are afraid Dan Hurley is going
Speaker 3: to shoot them if they don't rank them on their
Speaker 3: ap Toup twenty five, which heman not even the scariest
Speaker 3: of the Hurley Brothers. Number two Duke made quick work
Speaker 3: of North Carolina in a game that was, for some
Speaker 3: reason the College Game Day game. Not John Caliperi going
Speaker 3: back Home to Arkansas, not Kansas Balor, not Gonzaga and
Speaker 3: Saint Mary's, but.
Speaker 2: U and C.
Speaker 3: Duke. Oh wait, the reason is because ESPN has almost
Speaker 3: got myself again, which they do. They love Mike Krzewsky
Speaker 3: so much and they're not afraid to show it. The
Speaker 3: Bill of the Bills. The Blue Devils won eighty seven
Speaker 3: to seventy, and wow, we're just totally going off the tracks.
Speaker 3: The sins that I cannot say has something to do
Speaker 3: with this drop. The Blue Devils won eighty seven to seventy.
Speaker 3: Cooper Flag scored a bunch more points. They're firmly in
Speaker 3: control of the ACC after America's Darling's number twenty one.
Speaker 3: Louisvo lost to a horrendous something called the Georgia Tech.
Speaker 4: Gonzaga lost to Saint Mary's. Oh Mary, uh, they're gonna
Speaker 4: lose the wc C again. Ryan doesn't like Gonzaga and
Speaker 4: I was not stupid enough to almost read that.
Speaker 3: Well, it was close, Mary, though.
Speaker 4: There are three games behind Saint Mary's, which feels unfat.
Speaker 4: I thought was gonna belly. They are not really good
Speaker 4: game though.
Speaker 3: That was entertaining as hell. Yeah, Gonzaga can't get it done.
Speaker 3: Mark Fu. By the way, I said this after the
Speaker 3: Gonzaga Kansas loss. Does Gonzaga University not have a dental
Speaker 3: plan and their benefits package? Mark Few looks like a
Speaker 3: freaking yety on the sidelines when it is oversized shirts,
Speaker 3: just running up and down. He looks horrible. I can't
Speaker 3: believe that that man's the same age as Bill self.
Speaker 3: He looked twenty five years older than Bill.
Speaker 1: Sealth Bigfoot died so Mark Fu could walk in a
Speaker 1: straight line and Sandy Bill twice.
Speaker 4: And oh sorry, guys, I'm worried about my knee. It's
Speaker 4: just really that's why I can't try to walk forward.
Speaker 2: I have verdigo.
Speaker 1: It's why I'm walking backwards when I'm trying to walk forwards.
Speaker 2: Did DePaul win?
Speaker 1: No, they were a four point favorite against Seaton Hall.
Speaker 1: They better have Oh wait did they.
Speaker 2: Did they win?
Speaker 3: Wow? De Paul has two wins. I can't believe this morning.
Speaker 1: I just assume they were all right. The notes were
Speaker 1: on clear, instructions unclear that gens inside of toaster.
Speaker 4: They did get by six and sixteen Seaton, Hall and cam.
Speaker 3: You might say that's because a team that had entered
Speaker 3: with one league win in their last forty one games.
Speaker 3: They were just what happens exactly right? That is that
Speaker 3: the one dime that a team was due that you didn't.
Speaker 2: Bet on them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, instructions unclear. I bet on Kansas.
Speaker 3: Ran James lose. Since the last time we did a podcast.
Speaker 3: Number three Iowa State tops the list this week. They
Speaker 3: lost to Kansas State and a what the hell's sort
Speaker 3: of game happened match up there.
Speaker 4: Number five Florida barely scored five points, barely made five
Speaker 4: baskets as they lost to Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Number six Houston lost to Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: Number seven Michigan State lost to conference rivals Southern California.
Speaker 4: Number nine Marquette lost to Yukon.
Speaker 1: Number eleven, the Fighting kJ Adams and the Bill South
Speaker 1: Dementia Jayhawks lost to Bailier for the fifth time in
Speaker 1: a row.
Speaker 3: Damnit, damn it, there's five of them for you. Number twelve,
Speaker 3: Kentucky lost to John Caliperry, who we have reason to think, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know if we think he's well endowed, but
Speaker 3: we think that he enjoys things that are for his sake.
Speaker 3: Good for you, John, Well, sure he sure showed Kentucky
Speaker 3: once and for all in that game.
Speaker 4: Number fourteen Mississippi State lost to We Aremazoo.
Speaker 1: Number sixteen Oregon, Oh well, there was something that just
Speaker 1: played the missoo drop. I assume Number sixteen Oregon lost
Speaker 1: to Fred Hoiberg.
Speaker 3: Oregon has lost like seven of their last eleven games,
Speaker 3: and they're still ranked sixteen or something like that. They're
Speaker 3: still like figuring that team out. Number twenty one Louisville
Speaker 3: lost the Georgia Tech, which I know that, like we
Speaker 3: all kind of know the ACC is bad this year,
Speaker 3: but there are some truly abhorrent teams in the bottom
Speaker 3: of the ACC, like Miami is like four and seventeen.
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech has losses to North Florida University this year
Speaker 3: and just freaking barely beat a that's bad, horrendous UNBC
Speaker 3: team at home, and they took down a ranked Louisville
Speaker 3: team the bottom of the ACC. Oh my god, did
Speaker 3: Miami win. Miami did win. They want a game and forever.
Speaker 3: They beat Notre Dame Landon. Who else would it be
Speaker 3: to snap a long losing streak. Miami has two wins
Speaker 3: since election day and that would be Presbyterian and now
Speaker 3: Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: They're just taking out all the dominations. Any give them
Speaker 4: any Baptist university to give them a win. Number twenty
Speaker 4: three got choked out by Auburn.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, old on dude, well played. I'll descend it here.
Speaker 1: Number two for Vanderbilt, who somehow was ranked lost to
Speaker 1: Porter Mosier.
Speaker 3: If if Yukon is still ranked this week, we seriously
Speaker 3: not trying to be violent, we have to fire bomb
Speaker 3: some of the houses of the AP voters.
Speaker 1: They serious, I'm not trying to be violent. I just
Speaker 1: think we should commit acts of domestic terrorism.
Speaker 4: On I just gonna say, I have to suggest to
Speaker 4: suggest domestic terrorism solution.
Speaker 1: Let's guys, what everyone show? Just please don't be violent,
Speaker 1: but just listen to me. Commit acts of arson terrorism
Speaker 1: and drop bombs on the houses of people that voting.
Speaker 2: Think about it, It's fine.
Speaker 3: Think about what's.
Speaker 2: Doing is it?
Speaker 3: Is it worse to firebomb some people's houses or is
Speaker 3: it worse to rank freaking Yukon?
Speaker 1: At this point, I kind of think the Uni bomber
Speaker 1: went to the max penitentiary for a reason.
Speaker 3: Well, sir, have you paid attention to the news? A
Speaker 3: lot of people are gonna be no, no, nope, nope nope. Also,
Speaker 3: all of our pick records should get all of us
Speaker 3: should get sent there after our horrendous pick them weeks,
Speaker 3: we are all seven eight Landon and I are duking
Speaker 3: it out at the bottom of the standings. We are
Speaker 3: Miami and Georgia tech as Cam is duke blowing all
Speaker 3: of us out of the water and his pursuit. I
Speaker 3: don't care a lot of people for being honest. Have
Speaker 3: you seen Landon's track record on the show? And you
Speaker 3: could say, I will give you bad season?
Speaker 2: How was that?
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're at. Rock Chalk Blog wants
Speaker 3: to know, Cam, what's your DraftKings?
Speaker 1: It's a site full of lies, hope, and sadness all
Speaker 1: mixed in one.
Speaker 3: Ask RCB, everybody start a ten minute timer, because that's
Speaker 3: how much time we have to blow through as many
Speaker 3: questions as you can. And we and we begin with
Speaker 3: one of my favorite questions I've ever gotten from at
Speaker 3: Dick Underscore Taser, who sent us a picture of a
Speaker 3: what he says is an uninhabited island slash Civil War
Speaker 3: battle site that he was doing a morning jog through
Speaker 3: and on the beach. He wrote, k U I t
Speaker 3: P and send it to Rock Chalk Blog with a
Speaker 3: lighthouse in the ocean in the background, which is super
Speaker 3: super cool.
Speaker 4: You heard chat super sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is legendary. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I sent that to the group chat and thought it
Speaker 3: was awesome. And he he asks, is this the oddest
Speaker 3: place anyone has ever listened to it?
Speaker 4: TP?
Speaker 3: And there are a couple of responses that say, well,
Speaker 3: I listened and on my way to work, and someone
Speaker 3: said I listened in Solina once, So we have.
Speaker 1: Some I want to think that there's someone out there
Speaker 1: that's locked away in a jail that listens to us
Speaker 1: every morning.
Speaker 3: I actually thought the other day, I wonder if anybody has,
Speaker 3: like in the midst of like a divorce worthy argument
Speaker 3: with their spouse or during like a a horrendous moment,
Speaker 3: had I TP on in the background. I I that
Speaker 3: as a thought that very weird brain.
Speaker 1: Fatal car crashes have occurred with me rantin.
Speaker 3: Noise exactly, Like, how many times have people hurled f
Speaker 3: bombs at the person that cut them off in traffic
Speaker 3: while listening to land and be like, you know what,
Speaker 3: that's fair and also that's and not to be left out.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 4: It's happened, It's happened. I mean, I has been listened
Speaker 4: to that we know of.
Speaker 3: I listened to in a lot of places. I listened
Speaker 3: to all the shows back through and I've never been
Speaker 3: anywhere that remote. Like I've listened to it while cleaning
Speaker 3: my litter box. I've listened to it.
Speaker 2: Wall your.
Speaker 4: Little box.
Speaker 5: This is.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of them in this house, so
Speaker 3: I'm sure somebody could use them.
Speaker 4: To take a p in the litter box, Ryan, be honest.
Speaker 3: I have not. That was a so that was a
Speaker 3: Reddit question once it was and it absolutely blew up
Speaker 3: on Reddit where somebody said that they used their girlfriend's
Speaker 3: cat litter box just because they wanted to, and like
Speaker 3: asked the girlfriend asked Reddit, should I break up with him?
Speaker 3: And it was a long, long conversation that was pretty good.
Speaker 3: I think yes, that's psychopathic, that's something Dan Hurley would do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, gosh.
Speaker 3: All right, let's let's see how many of these we
Speaker 3: can do at Mayo Zeke Burner. The fit between kJ
Speaker 3: and Hunter is bad though they both work well next
Speaker 3: to FLOORI because they take the same shots, but they
Speaker 3: don't get offensive rebounds and aren't shot blockers. Next to Flory,
Speaker 3: both work, but next to each other not at all.
Speaker 3: Will Bill self figure this out?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Good observations, though in a lot of ways, Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 3: is just a better version of kJ. Adams like similar
Speaker 3: similar weaknesses, but has a lot of more strength.
Speaker 4: If by better version, that means like Wilt Chamberlain is
Speaker 4: a better offensive basketball player than me than sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Land, and remember kJ was in there for
Speaker 3: his defense. Now, let's just see how many points they
Speaker 3: gave up in the second half. And oh, my goodness,
Speaker 3: well that must be because kJ didn't play very much.
Speaker 3: Let me take a look kJ. Oh my goodness. At
Speaker 3: AJ Stephens says, do you remember when Dewan Harris was
Speaker 3: dribbling the ball up the court and there was no
Speaker 3: one around him and he just lost the ball out
Speaker 3: of bounce?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I need more specifics. That happened several times. It's almost
Speaker 3: as good as the dribbling around all the time play,
Speaker 3: and AJ also says everyone used to say Bill was
Speaker 3: the best out of timeouts. We used to see lobs
Speaker 3: in light open shots. Now I can't remember our last
Speaker 3: elevator play.
Speaker 2: Is this AJ better than AJ Store?
Speaker 1: I mean ask questions, AJ, if you're listening, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get you a pair of roller skates to send you
Speaker 1: to the fog and get your jersey.
Speaker 2: You need to suit up.
Speaker 3: It is a really good question though, because that is true,
Speaker 3: we haven't seen the out of bounce plays. And the
Speaker 3: answer is because Bill self doesn't have an athlete that
Speaker 3: can throw down those lobs and get the separation.
Speaker 2: Does six foot six? Well, I'm not.
Speaker 4: He does have the athlete. But you know, if you
Speaker 4: think about a guy like o Chai, who they threw
Speaker 4: a lot of lobs to. Ochai was a threat to
Speaker 4: do other things, but you know that K is gonna
Speaker 4: dunk or go for the dunk.
Speaker 3: And the way right, the way to to that Ochi
Speaker 3: got that space was because his man had to stay
Speaker 3: by the three point line at first because there was
Speaker 3: a chance he would shoot there. And kJ gets more
Speaker 3: than six feet out from the basket and his man's
Speaker 3: like okay, I'm gonna go grab Hunter's left arm. See
Speaker 3: if that works.
Speaker 2: It does? Yeah, that is correct.
Speaker 3: At J Actually at Jhawk Junkie says if the if
Speaker 3: KU loses to Iowa State, will they get booed? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think they will.
Speaker 3: Think they might if it gets like ugly or something
Speaker 3: like if they Yeah, fans are pretty pissed at justin
Speaker 3: ks to NYC, is Travis Goff open to lifetime contracts
Speaker 3: for the assistant coaches? So we keep this program status quo?
Speaker 3: Oh man, somebody's got it. Yeah at Elliott rus and Ah,
Speaker 3: I have so many things to say, but that would
Speaker 3: require an audio clip to be rational. While we've seen
Speaker 3: so many frustrating things, this team is still gonna win games.
Speaker 3: It just may not be preseason number one or final
Speaker 3: fourteen we thought it'd be. But also, Bill, what are
Speaker 3: they doing? No, Wonder Floor isn't going to return even
Speaker 3: if his draft stock isn't high. Yeah, you're right, I
Speaker 3: do wonder And also, Zeke Mayo liked an Instagram post
Speaker 3: today that a couple of people found that just it's
Speaker 3: by a KU fan page. It just says play Flory
Speaker 3: more in all caps, which is there? That makes me
Speaker 3: wonder what's going on beneath the surface of this team really.
Speaker 4: Which is also can be a problem in the nil
Speaker 4: transfer portal era because these guys like are basically mercenaries,
Speaker 4: which is fine, they should be allowed to transfer, but
Speaker 4: this is also sometimes what you can.
Speaker 3: Get at Hunter Ku. If Bill fails to reach a
Speaker 3: Sweet sixteen this year, does he consider retirement to avoid
Speaker 3: a Caliperi like situation.
Speaker 2: I've kind of.
Speaker 3: Wondered about this for a little while. I think Bill
Speaker 3: self will step away earlier than some guys did. I
Speaker 3: don't think Bill wants the fall from Grace and also
Speaker 3: with the health scare, and he's always said he's not
Speaker 3: gonna be a guy that coaches as long as Roy does.
Speaker 3: He's within like six or seven years of how old
Speaker 3: Roy was when he hung it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's within like three years of retirement,
Speaker 4: if not less.
Speaker 2: I also so too.
Speaker 1: I don't think he ends like that, though.
Speaker 3: He said, and the account also says if he does,
Speaker 3: who are K's top candidates to replace him? It has
Speaker 3: to be Nate Oates. They need to go to Natoates's
Speaker 3: house and threaten to firebomb it if he does not
Speaker 3: agree to become the next Kansas coach, because if they
Speaker 3: hire a coach, I yeah, I think I don't think
Speaker 3: Also Berger would leave Iowa State for Kansas.
Speaker 1: He's an Io Davis'll be free in April, has rockets.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, I haven't even I haven't heard anything
Speaker 3: about Texas this year or a Porter Moser. If they
Speaker 3: hire Porter Moser, I'm completely done. Yes, gets a call.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm trying to think of who they
Speaker 3: would actually call, like would they would they want to
Speaker 3: make like an assistant the coach.
Speaker 1: I could see them, hope not they could, but it
Speaker 1: just wouldn't go well.
Speaker 3: At show me Hawk says the opinion that I think
Speaker 3: that they would.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, no, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I think you're in a little bit of a phone delay.
Speaker 4: I was saying probably, I was saying, I think you
Speaker 4: still have to make Scott Drew tell you.
Speaker 3: No, Scott Drew is not leaving. He didn't leave for Kentucky.
Speaker 1: But yes, I would, I agree, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3: Boy at show me Hawk says, can you imagine if
Speaker 3: CBS owned the primary broadcasting rights for Big twelve football
Speaker 3: and basketball games? Mentions the music and the rotation of announcers. Uh, yes,
Speaker 3: I'm anything but Fran. At this point, I am, I am,
Speaker 3: I'm on Fran fatigue.
Speaker 4: ESPN has fallen. ESPN is not that good anymore.
Speaker 3: Because they because they went won.
Speaker 4: That is why you Yep, yep, that's the reason. It's
Speaker 4: not because you have mad Dog screaming about why the
Speaker 4: Chiefs are actually not going to be the greatest dynasty
Speaker 4: of all time if they win a third Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: That's not why.
Speaker 1: It's because woke Francilla, because they wanted people that are
Speaker 1: vertically challenged.
Speaker 3: Somebody on Get Up the other day said that Dallas
Speaker 3: should have hired uh Deon Sanders as their head coach
Speaker 3: because if they did, and I quote, then we would
Speaker 3: talk about him every day. Oh really, So that's what
Speaker 3: it would take for you to talk about the Cowboys
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 4: Not them existing and erect for them.
Speaker 3: Also, show me Hawk says, this team is so much
Speaker 3: more talented than last year's, but they have a very
Speaker 3: similar fatal flaw where they can't finish games. Yes, that
Speaker 3: is indeed the problem.
Speaker 2: And then at Cool.
Speaker 3: Understand Cool Underscorehand Underscore, Lucas sends three a video clip
Speaker 3: showing kJ Adams missing three consecutive plays actually, I think
Speaker 3: Dawant Harris is a hook shot on the third one,
Speaker 3: and this the score went from Kansas plus one to
Speaker 3: Kansas minus four in those three straight possessions, which means
Speaker 3: that the freight train that is the kJ Adams defense
Speaker 3: experience did not get stops.
Speaker 2: On the other end, the freight.
Speaker 1: Train went off the tracks and crashed into the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 3: At audit at Audust underscore, Luke, what is your most
Speaker 3: optimistic vision for the season. What's the best case scenario? Uh,
Speaker 3: fourteen and six after going eight and two. Honestly, the
Speaker 3: best best case scenarios they go nine and one in
Speaker 3: the last ten, they get to fifteen wins, they get
Speaker 3: to they get to a two seed, and they make
Speaker 3: the second weekend.
Speaker 2: That's so sad here.
Speaker 4: It is shocking.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 4: The second weekend is like our dream scenario.
Speaker 2: You know, they might make a sweet sixteen.
Speaker 3: That the best take is the best ceiling is Bill
Speaker 3: realizes Flory is indeed better than kJ at v HILLZ
Speaker 3: three feels like Kansas is in an early similar situation
Speaker 3: to Kentucky a few years ago. Maybe not apples to apples,
Speaker 3: but a similar situation where the coach cannot seem to
Speaker 3: push the correct buttons one where the common fan can
Speaker 3: see they need to be pushed differently. It's tough to swallow.
Speaker 3: And look how that worked. Yeah, Kentucky started losing early
Speaker 3: in the NCAA tournament. I can't even imagine if that
Speaker 3: starts happening here.
Speaker 2: Six of the last seven.
Speaker 3: Damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damnit, damn it. Bill, all right,
Speaker 3: a few more to fire off here. We're going pretty fast.
Speaker 3: We're doing a good job. I think we have so boy,
Speaker 3: there's still a lot left. All right, let's move at
Speaker 3: show me Hawk. What sucks about Houston and Iowa State
Speaker 3: losing on Saturday is if they hadn't blown it versus
Speaker 3: Houston and Baylor, they're eight and two and right there
Speaker 3: with it. Yeah, Yeah, that's the that's These last two
Speaker 3: games cost you the conference race. They probably weren't gonna
Speaker 3: win it anyway with how many other quality teams are here,
Speaker 3: just based on odds. But if you win those two games,
Speaker 3: you're a real threat.
Speaker 4: And they did not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they lost at Das. Conscious was the bigger portal
Speaker 3: era self with Artario Morris or aj Storm.
Speaker 4: Aretario because he committed sex crimes allegedly.
Speaker 3: Hasn't played very well and Artario Morris hurt him worse
Speaker 3: because him what he did and then leaving Aretario Morris
Speaker 3: prevented another person from filling that roster spot. Therefore Kansas
Speaker 3: had nothing to replace him with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish that was the only thing that Artaria
Speaker 4: Morris couldn't fill.
Speaker 3: A good way to specify that And MD forty four,
Speaker 3: why isn't the outdated system ever addressed? K he plays
Speaker 3: old school big man ball self prioritizes recruiting development of
Speaker 3: big men. Meanwhile, the guard play is part or worse.
Speaker 3: Look around, no winning program plays offense like Kansas. Look
Speaker 3: at Alabama, look at Duke. They need dynamic guards. They
Speaker 3: want a natty because of a dynamic guarden. Remy Martin
Speaker 3: self hates it. Bingo boingo. That is exactly what we
Speaker 3: talked about in the recap.
Speaker 4: It's exactly what we've been talking about for the last
Speaker 4: five years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to the show. You get a contract.
Speaker 3: If Remy doesn't will them to that title. We're sitting
Speaker 3: here saying they're doing exactly with Flory what they did
Speaker 3: with Remy. They didn't play the guy who was clearly
Speaker 3: superior to the other guy.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean if if Remy doesn't win them
Speaker 1: a title, I think Bill selfas done after this year.
Speaker 3: At KMB thousand and two. Does the major donor class,
Speaker 3: which is more than two hundred thousand a years start
Speaker 3: with holding funds forcing major changes their headaches in the
Speaker 3: program because paying for heat transfers and never playing, well,
Speaker 3: it's not gonna last forever. That's an interesting point. We
Speaker 3: talked about this at some point. The donors are gonna
Speaker 3: ask questions, which is just a part of how this
Speaker 3: sport works because Bill Self and travel scoff have to
Speaker 3: go to the donors and say, man, really want this
Speaker 3: this AJ Store guy, but we need X amount of
Speaker 3: dollars for it. Then he doesn't play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a really good point.
Speaker 4: Right, Or it's we need X amount of dollars for
Speaker 4: a Nick Timberlake type and then he's bad.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: The porter the portal, you had Zeke Mayo, who's who's
Speaker 3: been great. You had Rylan Griffin who has been good,
Speaker 3: but how much he's playing is a question. AJ Store
Speaker 3: and Nick Timberlake were a disaster and Artio Morris didn't
Speaker 3: get to the first game of the year. Those are
Speaker 3: their transfer and hundred Dickinson cost two million bucks to
Speaker 3: what the donors are going to see, put up a
Speaker 3: lot of stats and unless they do something, this year
Speaker 3: didn't elevate the team at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3: And then we end with three funny questions about kJ
Speaker 3: Adams at Aleandro twelve. What photos of self does kJ
Speaker 3: have that we don't know about? At thh thirty thirty
Speaker 3: eight seven? Why does Bill love playing kJ so much
Speaker 3: when Flori is the best player on the team right
Speaker 3: now and only gets fifteen minutes? Because Matt rd Evans
Speaker 3: eleven says, did Bill or the Boosters pay kJ a
Speaker 3: crap ton of money before nil? And Kj's requirement is
Speaker 3: to not go public that Bill legally has to play
Speaker 3: him as much as possible. Yeah, And here's this funny
Speaker 3: I'll say one thing. So fans can be irrational a
Speaker 3: US included, we do that a lot. But I have
Speaker 3: never seen a moment with this team and all the
Speaker 3: years we've watched them, we're ninety percent plus of the
Speaker 3: fan base feels one way about something that the coach
Speaker 3: feels the opposite about. Like there is nobody well, there's
Speaker 3: one account, but there's almost nobody that's getting on Twitter
Speaker 3: and saying, no, guys, we need more caj like seriously,
Speaker 3: nobody almost nobody says that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's painfully obvious.
Speaker 4: Uh Ryan, are you ever gonna drop a like that
Speaker 4: style track?
Speaker 3: Do you want me to?
Speaker 4: I think that'd be really funny.
Speaker 3: I assume it's different than just you like that, like
Speaker 3: what Kirk Cousin said that one time.
Speaker 4: Oh you don't don't like that?
Speaker 3: I mean I do, but I don't like. Are we
Speaker 3: getting into that now in an hour and twenty five minutes?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I just I'm just asking a
Speaker 4: question out of curiosity. We don't have to.
Speaker 2: Talk about it.
Speaker 3: I might be old Landon, I might be too old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know, we'll see. We'll see anyway.
Speaker 3: But as this Kansas team is showing us, every time
Speaker 3: you have a lot of experience in age, it always
Speaker 3: leads to excellence. If you ever have asked arcbs, use
Speaker 3: the Twitter hashtag what photos of Bill does kJ have?
Speaker 2: Dudes?
Speaker 3: Oh boy, see what's him naked?
Speaker 4: With his penis just right there in the photo for
Speaker 4: everyone to see?
Speaker 5: Is pay news.
Speaker 3: The rankings haven't changed, But why does it matter? Because
Speaker 3: we're all gonna die with the eventual heat related death
Speaker 3: of the universe. Number three Iowa Asteroid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to the show, guys.
Speaker 3: That's sure. What chance for now? Number three Iowa State
Speaker 3: at number eleven Kansas, you kind'll probably be ranked in
Speaker 3: between them. It'll probably be like ten Iowa State at
Speaker 3: what fourteen Kansas?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So they never dropped Kansas that much. Big Monday where
Speaker 3: Bill self is undefeated in his career at home. Let
Speaker 3: me look up Bill Seal's Big Monday record. I think
Speaker 3: it's like forty something to zero.
Speaker 4: It's really good.
Speaker 2: Neat up.
Speaker 4: Iowa State is also very good in general. They are
Speaker 4: seventeen and four. They have lost two in a row,
Speaker 4: but they beat Kansas by seventeen points like a couple
Speaker 4: weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Chris Jones starts now and leaves it to team with
Speaker 1: eighteen points and shoots thirty eight percent from three slashing
Speaker 1: wing Keishaw Gilbert averages sixteen to five assists while not
Speaker 1: shooting his ball from the outside and point guard team
Speaker 1: and Lipsey adds ten and three while playing all league
Speaker 1: defensive style is very similar to Dewana Harris, but as
Speaker 1: the thing is typing in the chat Ryan quote says
Speaker 1: he's actually good, is actually solid.
Speaker 3: He is he is good.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The Iowa State front court is led by five man
Speaker 3: Joshua Jefferson, who averages thirteen and eight. He has a long,
Speaker 3: six to nine athletic, big guy more than your big,
Speaker 3: bulky shot blocking type, and he's very athletic. The Adams
Speaker 3: and Dickinson strategy will I wrote will be interesting. It
Speaker 3: may make us suicidal, but it will be something to watch.
Speaker 3: Milan mam Silievich is still hurt and figures to be
Speaker 3: out with the wrist injury. The Zyclones do have two
Speaker 3: centers that are six ten and six eleven. That is
Speaker 3: the Shawn Jackson who he saw play really well against
Speaker 3: Kansas and Ames. Then there's also Brandon Field who plays
Speaker 3: reserve minutes as well. God who knows, right, who knows
Speaker 3: what they're gonna do? What I do know is Joshua Jefferson,
Speaker 3: unlike Justin, Jefferson might win a postseason game in his career.
Speaker 4: Wow, we just watched these two play. Iowa State. Its
Speaker 4: strengths are getting high percent of shots, passing, forcing lots
Speaker 4: of turnovers. They always average more shots than their opponents
Speaker 4: because they get so many extra possessions with takeaways. They're
Speaker 4: thirty five percent three point shooting team that's above average
Speaker 4: on the glass. They also get to the free throw
Speaker 4: line as well as anybody in the conference. The weaknesses
Speaker 4: as of late have been three point defense and struggles
Speaker 4: on the glass. But with Kansas up next, that's a
Speaker 4: sure fix for rebounding and three point shooting. It does
Speaker 4: feel that way, it usually goes that way.
Speaker 1: Kansas is seventeen to one in their last eighteen home
Speaker 1: matchups with Iowa State. But most of his teams were good.
Speaker 1: And I can't read what I wrote next because I
Speaker 1: was open somebody else will be reading it.
Speaker 2: My prediction himself, I played myself hard.
Speaker 3: He unlike he thought that somebody else was due to
Speaker 3: read the sentence. Also, Bill self is thirty seven and
Speaker 3: oh at home on big Monday home games. There are
Speaker 3: three streaks that were that were just insane. At the
Speaker 3: start of the year. There was the thirty three straight
Speaker 3: conference opening wins. There's the thirty eight straight Senior Day
Speaker 3: and self, it's thirty seven and oh on big money,
Speaker 3: they can all.
Speaker 2: Your legacy bills already home.
Speaker 3: He lay then the only way, the only way that
Speaker 3: those streaks stay alive. Is you have to beat both
Speaker 3: Iowa State and Arizona at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems feasible for this team. Not at all.
Speaker 1: Here's my prediction. Kansas actually wins. I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: saying this.
Speaker 2: Play the music.
Speaker 1: Kansas wins seventy nine Iowa Stage seventy three.
Speaker 2: Bounce back game for the Hawks. We kind of.
Speaker 1: Climb back on the wagon, only to get bucked off
Speaker 1: on Saturday when they lose to Kansas State.
Speaker 3: What do you think is more likely here? Okay, if
Speaker 3: I gave you four options, you have to get it
Speaker 3: right or you die by the ass, not really get right.
Speaker 3: Four scenarios here. Scenario one Kansas goes too and O
Speaker 3: this week. Scenario two Kansas goes oh and two this week.
Speaker 3: Scenario three Kansas beats Kansas State this week. Scenario four
Speaker 3: Kansas beats Iowa State this week. What would you say?
Speaker 1: I think Kansas beats Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: Great, scenario three they beat State.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, Wow State. I think they
Speaker 1: lose in Manhattan.
Speaker 3: Dude, I'm gonna curb your enthusiasm my way and say
Speaker 3: they win them both, because why not?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: The you know, why can you know both.
Speaker 1: Iowa State own We've made it first full circle, guys,
Speaker 1: I will I will say.
Speaker 3: All right, I will go ahead and predict Kansas to
Speaker 3: win this game, and I will say this, I think
Speaker 3: you see Kansas play Hold on one second, let me
Speaker 3: get some background music for you. I think you see
Speaker 3: Kansas play well in this game. I think you see
Speaker 3: whatever this team's version of a we've had enough sort
Speaker 3: of game where the building's allowed and Kansas puts on
Speaker 3: a show against Iowa State and wins eighty to sixty eight.
Speaker 3: I think it's an impressive showing.
Speaker 4: I think Kansas loses.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think Iowa State beats them and makes it three
Speaker 4: home losses on the year. I think io State will
Speaker 4: win like sevty to sixty five. I think it'll be close. However,
Speaker 4: I do think after this KU will win probably like
Speaker 4: six or seven straight games.
Speaker 3: Wow. If they lose to Iowa State, they might get
Speaker 3: boot up off the court.
Speaker 4: They probably will get boot if they lose. If they lose,
Speaker 4: they will so if they.
Speaker 3: Trail it, my wife just started vacuuming. My wife just
Speaker 3: started vacuuming in the hallway about eight feet from where
Speaker 3: the microphone is. I guess that's my sign to either
Speaker 3: be quiet or get off the r be done with
Speaker 3: this because we've been going for an hour and a half,
Speaker 3: so we will quickly make our way through other games
Speaker 3: in the Big twelve. I think we have a pretty
Speaker 3: easy pick here. The last time we said that, Jerome
Speaker 3: Tang won at Hilton, Oklahoma State at number six Houston.
Speaker 3: I think we all want the Coops in a big
Speaker 3: bounce back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like twenty five point win.
Speaker 3: Baylor at number twenty two Texas Tech. How about this,
Speaker 3: give me the Bears on the road.
Speaker 4: Man, That is a pretty big emotional win for the
Speaker 4: Red Raiders. I will still take them at home, though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me Tech.
Speaker 3: Kansas State at Arizona State. The street's got to end
Speaker 3: at some point for the fighting Tanks. I say it
Speaker 3: ends against certified bitch boy Bobby Hurley. Give me the sun.
Speaker 4: Devils on a state.
Speaker 2: Give me Kay State.
Speaker 3: Arizona hits the road to play BYU. I think at
Speaker 3: some point Arizona's luck slows down a little bit. Give
Speaker 3: me the Coops at home.
Speaker 4: Same.
Speaker 2: I actually will pick Yu here, yep, give me BYU.
Speaker 3: Cincinnati at Central Florida done forever picking sinc. Fighting Knights
Speaker 3: at home? Sam yep, West Virginia at TCU, who wins
Speaker 3: in the Horny Frog Bowl TCU?
Speaker 2: Uh give me West Virginia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take TCU at home. What the hell I
Speaker 3: don't know? Is Tucker de Rye playing yet? Is he
Speaker 3: still hurt?
Speaker 2: I don't even hurt?
Speaker 3: No, he is playing. Uh no, it actually says so
Speaker 3: the the Google headline says return of Tucker to Rye
Speaker 3: to the basketball court, and then you scroll over it
Speaker 3: and it says seems unlikely when you can see the
Speaker 3: whole headline. It got me for a second. So he
Speaker 3: is out. Wow, that team's still kicking it without him?
Speaker 3: And Colorado at Utah. Oh, I said, I'd never picked
Speaker 3: either of these teams. I might have to have stain
Speaker 3: not Colorado.
Speaker 4: That's my pick, not Colorado Utah.
Speaker 3: Are you really doing it?
Speaker 2: Oh? No, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 3: But he'll bet on it, but you'll bet on it.
Speaker 1: I probably will, allegedly will put like fifty cents I
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: But I do it for the love of the game.
Speaker 3: Let me get it, let me get it back. Come on,
Speaker 3: put this button. There we go. That's me dialing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I need to report some help.
Speaker 1: I think you know what's funny. Out of all the bets,
Speaker 1: I've made a thing. I'm up like seven dollars this year.
Speaker 3: Hey wow, what allegedly that could be worse. Number nine
Speaker 3: Marquette at number fifteen Saint John's uh never shock.
Speaker 4: And give me the Johnnies. Yeah, give me the red storm.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be nice. I figured this would be
Speaker 3: a rough show for you guys, so I'm giving you
Speaker 3: a freebie. Oklahoma at number one Auburn.
Speaker 4: Auburn by as many points as is allowed.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep.
Speaker 3: Number ten per Due at Iowa. I don't know if
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark's playing or not. Haven't checked. I'll take the
Speaker 3: boiler Makers Hawkeyes.
Speaker 1: Iowa is terrible, but give me the Hawkeys.
Speaker 3: Number twelve Kentucky hit number twenty three, old Miss two
Speaker 3: in a row for who hmmm. I'll take the Rebels
Speaker 3: at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me old Miss.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Same. You can punch me in the face if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Number seven Michigan State at UCLA. Here's a spot. I'll
Speaker 3: take a team losing two in a row. Give me
Speaker 3: the Bruins to hand the Spartans or second straight loss. Sparty, Yeah, Sparty,
Speaker 3: Number twenty Missouri, who's flying high right now at number eight,
Speaker 3: Tennessee doesn't feel like a great style for the Tigers.
Speaker 3: I will take the balls, but I think that the
Speaker 3: Missouri is pretty legit.
Speaker 4: I do think Missouri's good. I do think Tennessee will
Speaker 4: win this game, though.
Speaker 2: Yep, Tennessee.
Speaker 3: And number sixteen Oregon at Michigan. Never Oregon.
Speaker 4: Give me the wolves, go blue wolverines.
Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, the wolves. What are we doing here?
Speaker 3: I try to abbreviate. Is that not what we say?
Speaker 3: People call them the j's sometimes.
Speaker 4: With the There's a much different thing than a wolverine.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, carnivorous animals, right, like have you I okay,
Speaker 3: let me google wolverine.
Speaker 4: They're not even closed.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's not at all what I thought it
Speaker 3: would be.
Speaker 1: That's are they are disturbing?
Speaker 4: Okay, they are very uh they are carnivorous and feisty,
Speaker 4: but it's very very different.
Speaker 1: They're they're well, always pissed.
Speaker 3: Sounds like us on this show. It will surely be
Speaker 3: better after the next game, right, right, please please please,
Speaker 3: as his I t P if they lose again, Oh boy,
Speaker 3: I'm Ryan Landra.
Speaker 1: I'm landing Field, and I'll be just as mentally disturbed.
Speaker 3: Hey, cam back on Iowa State now. So I won't.
Speaker 2: I won't. I won't touch that. Actually I won't. Maybe
Speaker 2: I will. There do you can get it?
Speaker 3: You get them bus three if you want it. All right,
Speaker 3: We'll be back later in the week.
Speaker 2: Yeh see ye closer.
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: I hope everyone feels so so uplifted after this episode.