WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:01.439 Hi, my name is Tom Welling. 2 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:03.879 I played Clark Kent on Smallville and you are listening 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:08.480 to Always hold on to Smallville. 4 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:53.600 Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville. In this podcast, 5 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:56.000 we've talked about each and every episode of the Young 6 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:58.359 Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to 7 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:02.719 twenty eleven on the W and the c W. I'm 8 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:05.799 your host, Zach Moore, and we're back with another Top 9 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:09.879 ten episodes. That's right, the top ten episodes of Smallville, 10 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:13.480 as voted by you, the listeners, and this time the 11 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:19.920 number nine entry Pilot. That's right, the creatively named pilot 12 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:23.799 episode of Smallville. Pilot. Now, to be fair to Smallville, 13 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.959 a lot of TV shows name their first episode pilot. 14 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:30.159 A lot of them don't, though, and a lot of 15 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:32.719 them have more creative titles. But here we are, Pilot 16 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:36.760 is the number nine entry in the top ten episodes. Now, 17 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.480 it's a really good pilot. It's a really good episode. Now, 18 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:44.040 if you ask Michael Rosenbob who does Talkville, the Tom Welling, 19 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.680 of course, the pilot has three roses. Nothing beats the pilot. 20 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:52.280 It's the ultimate score, right, and he would compare almost 21 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.920 every episode to the pilot. And how that one's unsurpassable. 22 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:59.159 And I think, you know, if you have a TV 23 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.359 show that's two episodes and you say nothing's as good 24 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:04.719 as the first one, that's just all downhill, and I 25 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:06.640 just I don't look at it that way. I think 26 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:13.280 I think that's more applicable to movie franchises than TV shows, honestly. Now, obviously, 27 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.439 there's so much time and effort and budget and that 28 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:19.639 goes into a pilot episode of a TV show that 29 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:24.000 other episodes don't get. They have months of preparation, they 30 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:28.120 have extra time to film, and usually extra locations. There's 31 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:31.000 more scope. It's it's more epic and grand and scale 32 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:34.520 because it's establishing the universe of the story and the show. 33 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.680 So there's a reason pilots have a lot more grandeur 34 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.759 than a lot of other quote unquote run on the 35 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.879 middle episodes. Right. But I think there are a lot 36 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:45.960 of episodes that are better than the pilot of Smallville. 37 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:47.680 I think I think there are probably at least ten 38 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.280 episodes better than the pilot episode of small vill But 39 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.120 it's a good pilot, right, So, and I also think 40 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:56.879 I think we take the pilot for granted, So let's 41 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.960 not take the Smallville Pilot for granted this soul a series. 42 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:04.400 It ended up launching a decade long show that we love. 43 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:07.560 None of us would be here. I wouldn't be talking 44 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:09.800 about it, and you wouldn't be listening to me talk 45 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:13.280 about it if the Small Little Pilot was not successful. 46 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.319 It was successful in selling the show. It was successful 47 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:19.479 when it came out. The ratings were amazing, It launched 48 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:23.639 obviously a very successful series for many seasons. You'll hear 49 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:27.639 us talk about it. But I feel like Metamorphosis is 50 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.159 just as much a part of the pilot as Smallville is. 51 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:33.039 That's how I came to it, two episodes edited together 52 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:36.039 into one. So when I think of the pilot, I 53 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.680 think of the pilot and Metamorphosis. So that's where I'm 54 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:43.360 coming at it from. But hey, let's look back on 55 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.400 what we gave the pilot on the letter grade scale 56 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.560 and the podcast proper. Looking back at our coverage, me 57 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:53.960 and Lance Laster were who talked about pilot, and I 58 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:57.199 gave the pilot a B plus and Lance gave the 59 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:02.639 pilot a B. Now, I I think in retrospect those 60 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:05.199 are low. Those are low scores for the pilot, But 61 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:07.039 I think it goes to that same thinking. We didn't 62 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:08.520 want to come out of the gate when we started 63 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:13.000 the podcast saying pilot A plus A even, because then 64 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.960 I mean, there's nowhere to go but down from there. 65 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:17.240 So I think, you know, if I had to do 66 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:20.480 it over again, looking back, I would give the pilot, 67 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:22.920 you know it an A or an A minus in there. 68 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:26.079 I gave the show too much room to grow, and 69 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:28.120 Lance gave it to being and we were coming at 70 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.079 it from the same mindset, I think. So that's why 71 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.879 we gave it the scores we did. Then let's hear 72 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.040 us talk about it now. I'm again joined by Lance 73 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:39.759 Laster from all Ways Sold On to Arrow, Victoria Malay, 74 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.399 Matt Trux from Lewis and Clark, the New podcast of Superman, 75 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.240 and many of the other podcasts here on the Always 76 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.079 hold On to Network and Patreon, and Matthew Roca. So, 77 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:54.120 without further ado, let's discuss the number nine episode of 78 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.519 Smallville Pilot. 79 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:06.399 Do you believe a man can fly? People can't fly? 80 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:11.079 Lex I did October sixteenth on the WB's New Tuesday. 81 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:17.079 It's the day of the meteor shower. This is how 82 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:18.240 you came into our world, sir. 83 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:20.279 When do you try to tell me that. 84 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.600 A small town on the edge of innocence. 85 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:26.800 That's me, Clerk. I mean used to people judging me 86 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:27.759 before they get to know me. 87 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:29.519 I don't want anything to stand in the way of 88 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:30.040 our friendships. 89 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:31.439 Sometimes people can surprise you. 90 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.040 We have a future, Clerk, a young man on the 91 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:36.399 threshold with Estinay. 92 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.319 We wanted to protect you and protect me from what. 93 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:48.720 Michael Rosenbaum, Kristen Crook, and Tom Wallie. We didn't find you, Clerk, 94 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:53.199 you found us. A w B presents a small bill. 95 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:02.319 Good for. 96 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:06.160 You? 97 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.879 Did you did? On October sixteenth. 98 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:11.720 He has quite an extraordinary order, mister Kenneth. 99 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.519 An unexpected friendship begin thanks to you, I have a 100 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.480 second chance, a friendship destined to be forsaken. 101 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:22.199 Do you believe a man can fly? People can't fly? 102 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:26.279 Lex the great story, that's the beginning the series from 103 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:31.160 Mere Smallville October sixteenth, on the WB's New Tuesday. 104 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:36.480 The pilot of Smallville. So pilot was not on my 105 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:38.600 top ten list, what about you lands? 106 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.639 It was number three on mine right on. 107 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:44.720 I can tell you right now it wasn't on my list, 108 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.480 and that was purely in oversight. 109 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.680 So TRUEX not on your list was not. 110 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:51.279 On my list officially not on my list. 111 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:52.439 Rokay, what about you? 112 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:54.759 It was on my list? 113 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:59.120 Yeah, YouTube for two man, I know, yeah, all. 114 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:00.560 Right, Victoria, what about you? 115 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:05.399 It's so funny because Pilot wasn't one on my list, 116 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:07.319 but Metamorphosis was my number one. 117 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:12.000 Nice should I rewatch Metamorphosis? Like I don't remember liking 118 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:12.839 that episode. 119 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.399 But you guys, because like he has an actual fight 120 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.439 at the end, he knows the freak of the week, 121 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.639 you know, like it's a really good episode, Matt. 122 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.759 The thing is like, before I loved Smallville, I loved 123 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:29.839 Spider Man, and so like I liked Metamorphosis because there 124 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:31.759 was like the closest they got to. 125 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:36.120 Right Spider Man when they did right bug Boy. 126 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:39.480 I didn't watch it when it first air, becau who 127 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:41.360 knew about Smallville? 128 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:42.199 I sure did. 129 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.240 I saw an ad for it in a comic book, 130 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.720 and then I was just like, ooh, this looks awesome, 131 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.079 and so like I made a whole night of it 132 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.800 and everything. I like, like we ordered pizza and like 133 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:55.720 all this other stuff because it's like a school night ride, 134 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:57.199 but like we made it a special occasion. 135 00:07:57.480 --> 00:07:59.560 And I saw the first episode and I was hooked. 136 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.240 Lance and I we're really friends then, So I was 137 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:05.279 not invited to this pizza party. Nor was I aware, 138 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.120 Nor was I aware that small Vel was a TV show. 139 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:09.959 As you all have heard me say many times, I 140 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:12.079 picked it up and reruns like halfway through the first 141 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:14.680 season and carried down on from there. But you know, 142 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:16.680 we can just kind of go around and talk about 143 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.319 our first impressions of the pilot. Lance had his Victoria, Well, 144 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.160 what's up with your first taste of the Smallville pilot. 145 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:27.759 It's actually really funny because I just had like a 146 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.680 very intense flashback of like how I first discovered the show. 147 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:34.879 I started watching when the fourth season aired, and I 148 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:37.720 didn't start like aired on the WB and I didn't, 149 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.879 And then I was like doing this weird simultaneous catch 150 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:45.559 up via ABC Family back when it was ABC Family, 151 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:48.559 when they just put Smallville intosyndication on that channel. 152 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:49.840 That's why I started watching it. 153 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:55.360 And I remember there was a marathon. They were doing 154 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:57.679 a marathon because they were introducing the show. 155 00:08:57.919 --> 00:08:58.960 To the channel. 156 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.399 And I watched the pilot and metamorphosis back to back. 157 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:04.440 As you should, as you should never watch the pilot 158 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:05.960 with that metamorphosis, is my opinion. 159 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:10.360 I can't remember if I'd already seen the beginning the 160 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.639 first episode of like if I'd seen Crusade already, if 161 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.559 I'd seen the beginning episode of season four. I can't 162 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:19.279 quite recall, but I just remember. It was a small 163 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.840 Ville marathon. It was the days before DVR, and all 164 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:25.840 I wanted to do was watch Smallville. But my mother 165 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:27.960 was like, we need to go shopping to buy you 166 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:32.480 a nice outfit for your father's charity golf outing that 167 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.639 he puts on every year, like. 168 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.159 To like help children with AIDS. 169 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:42.960 And I was like, and I literally was dragged. One 170 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.399 of the masters for New Jersey he might know this reference. 171 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:49.399 I had like a six hour meltdown at the Freehold 172 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.559 mall that day. Like I was a child. 173 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:52.879 I forgot how close we are. 174 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.919 I was so like I was like the most well 175 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.039 behaved child, but this was a real low point for me. 176 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:02.799 I was just like having a meltdown in the mall, 177 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:04.360 like at an age that was two. 178 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.039 I was twelve. I was too old to have a 179 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:06.919 meltdown like that. 180 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.919 Yeah, yeah, I was a little twelve was a little 181 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:11.080 old for that, Victoria. 182 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.799 It didn't stop me and I Yeah, that's so funny. 183 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:22.320 Oh and like my sister, Like my sister was like 184 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:24.279 being an angel and she like was asked by like 185 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.360 the North Strong sales department to be in like a 186 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:27.320 child fashioned show. 187 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.759 And I'm just like crying in a corner, like I'm 188 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.080 not watching small films. 189 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.240 Well there, see that's a hard story to stop there. 190 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:40.799 But truth, what's your story with the pilot? 191 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:45.440 I vividly remember I was watching. I was like, yeah, 192 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:50.200 eleven or twelve, watching reruns of og Sabrina on the W. 193 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.759 John Hart, my my first child, crushed from cushen. 194 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:59.279 Of Lang myself. But no, there was a i'm gonna 195 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:03.279 say ten second teaser commercial on the WB and it 196 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.279 was just the first couple shots of the Kryptonite and 197 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:08.919 the ship and the Meteors all gone to Earth and 198 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.720 all it said was Smallville. And like Lois and Clark's podcast, right, 199 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:15.720 like small like if it didn't happen to Terry Hatcher 200 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.320 and Dean Kine, it didn't happen to Superman as far 201 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:21.080 as I was concerned at like ten or eleven, But 202 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.879 I knew the name Smallville that you knew that you knew, 203 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:28.159 yeah exactly, So that just like I remember I didn't 204 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.120 stay up to watch it because I was young, But 205 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:32.519 the next day after school, I sat and I watched 206 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:34.960 them as just blown away. But it was kind of 207 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.600 the first time I'd seen a new take on Superman. 208 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:40.120 I'd grown up with a bunch of different Batman's, but 209 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.240 never never seen it. Like I said, if it was 210 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:44.559 Dank and Terry Hatcher, if it wasn't them, it didn't 211 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.240 happen till this show, but just just blew me away. 212 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:50.000 I still I watched it today. It's it's one of 213 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:51.759 the best pilots I've ever seen in my life. I 214 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:54.679 watch it. I mean, it's it's evergreen. It's just the 215 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:55.279 coolest thing. 216 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:58.159 All right, Roco, what about you? Where did you first 217 00:11:58.519 --> 00:11:59.440 see pilot? 218 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.440 So I've shared this before on your podcast in regards 219 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.159 to the show. Actually, my first experience with Smallville was 220 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:10.519 not the pilot. My thing was like, my mom was 221 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.879 watching the show before I was, and she had like 222 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:17.639 this little TV, you know, those little mini TVs like that, 223 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.919 a little small thing in the kitchen, and she would 224 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.039 like make dinner and stuff, and just like you guys, 225 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:25.720 I was, you know, like twelve, I think maybe like 226 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.120 thirteen or fourteen, probably thirteen or fourteen. 227 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:29.159 But yeah, so it was. 228 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:32.279 Like you would be watching the show and I knew nothing, 229 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.960 absolutely nothing, not like you guys. I knew zero about Superman. Nothing, 230 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:38.919 And I'll never forget. My mom kept saying, oh, you 231 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:40.840 got to watch the show. You remind me of this 232 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:47.440 character Clark. And she also knew nothing Lex Luthor. Yes, exactly, 233 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.279 the Lex Luthor story. Yes, so I didn't know Lex 234 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:52.200 Luthor was a bad guy. That's how little I knew 235 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:55.759 about about Superman. Not as kind of awesome nothing. Yeah, 236 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.320 it was really it was actually very awesome because I 237 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.720 was like discovering it as the characters were right and 238 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.600 but but I'll never forget like as we started watching 239 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:06.759 the show, you know, then my dad was watching with 240 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.320 us and he's like, oh, why are Clark Kenton Lex 241 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:12.120 Luthor hanging out? And we're like, duh, they're friends. Like 242 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:13.639 we're like, and. 243 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:15.200 He's like, uh, the. 244 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.240 Bad guy and we're like, no, Dad, you're confused, that's Lionel. 245 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.120 You're He's like, there's no Lionel. What are you talking about? 246 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.399 And we're and you know, so that's how little we 247 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.759 knew about it. Yeah, it was one of those things 248 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:29.519 where the pilot then came along as one of those 249 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:32.720 you know, like as a rerun later on in the series, 250 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:34.440 because I think like the first one that got me 251 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.240 hooked was cool because I was like obsessed with a 252 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.600 cheerleader like Wana when I was that age and I 253 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.360 and I was like, oh, like I'm I'm Clark and 254 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:46.320 she's Lana and she likes this job assphole and bla. 255 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.919 So it was like, okay, cool, like I'm hooked on 256 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:49.320 the show. 257 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:51.279 And then as I started watching, then they had the 258 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:54.799 pilot and and that was then like like it was 259 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.960 like a rerun and they did that with metamorphosis like 260 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:58.720 you guys said, and they kind of linked them together. 261 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:00.039 And I remember. 262 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:04.120 Watching it and just being like blown away by like oh, okay, 263 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:07.399 so these are all these missing elements to me as 264 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:10.759 not knowing anything, like oh, this is how the Kryptonite works, 265 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:13.240 this is how this works, and all of those elements. 266 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.639 And then I just recently rewatched it a week ago. 267 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:19.759 I mean, my mom had a trip down memory Lane 268 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:21.519 and we were pre watching and it was one of 269 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:25.440 those things where I just like in retrospect realized like, wow, 270 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:28.080 this is a perfect pilot, like It's one thing to 271 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:30.399 love it as a kid as you're growing up, but 272 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.279 then to watch it as an adult and for me 273 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:34.919 as a filmmaker, Jo, it's just like this is a 274 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.559 perfect pilot, like it's got It has all the elements 275 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:40.919 to introduce every single character, the themes, and how it 276 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:42.639 carries over ten years later. 277 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.039 It's just epic. 278 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.360 It really is a really good pilot. 279 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:50.960 I was very impressed revisiting it, like how good it was, because, like, 280 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:52.799 you know, we're in this age of television now where 281 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:55.799 we're blessed with so many good shows out there. We 282 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.240 have so many options and there's a lot the quality 283 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.440 has risen as well, like from when we were younger, 284 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:02.799 and so looking back to see, like, you know, this 285 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.440 shared show that we all love, the pilot who pilot 286 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:08.960 still stands as a really really good one, and it's 287 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:10.600 and it's actually pretty exceptional. 288 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:11.399 It's pretty cool. 289 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:15.759 Metamorphosis was the first one I saw on WB and 290 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.840 then I went I think it was like LimeWire, share 291 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.639 Bear or something like that, because Kazah, I don't know, 292 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:25.799 it's one of these sides. So I went back and 293 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:29.120 I found these these episodes I missed, like the first 294 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:30.879 half of season one. Every now and then I'd get 295 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.080 an episode and I download it, and of course I 296 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.840 like start the download before I went to school and 297 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:38.000 it was done by the time I got home. But 298 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.679 the pilot metamorphoses are always together. So so it's weird because 299 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:42.960 I I didn't see the polit till about near midway 300 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:44.960 to the end of season one. I was like, oh, okay, 301 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:47.840 well that all makes sense now. They came out on 302 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:50.080 like I think it was the Canadian DVD came out 303 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:53.080 with the pilot metamorphsis were together, and then if you downloaded, 304 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:54.720 sometimes that would be what people ripped, and that's what 305 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.120 I downloaded and watch, and then sometimes they reair them together. 306 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.039 They kind of that seems like they pan up to 307 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:00.759 the sky and they panned down to outside a lot 308 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.279 of souse and orctually. Well, but but to me, I mean, 309 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.120 you guys say this is the perfect pilot, Like I 310 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:07.080 like it, it's fine, but I think I feel like 311 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:10.559 it's incomplete without the metamorphosis have because it pays awful 312 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:12.240 lot of things because like, if you think about the pilot, 313 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.240 you just kind of leave the whole Whitney thing unresolved. 314 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:17.600 And Lex Luther has this scryptonite, but you never follow 315 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:19.879 up on that, and him and Lata never kind of 316 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.679 have a scene after earlier. So even though it was 317 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.679 filmed like several months later, it really does complete it. 318 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.320 And to me, like I like I said, I always 319 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:28.159 have to watch them together. 320 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:28.799 For sure. 321 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.879 It's definitely a set music terminology here. This is definitely 322 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.639 movement too, uh Like, the piece is not complete without it. 323 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.120 So when I refer to the pilot, I'm talking about 324 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.840 the pilot and metamorphosis because to me, that just it 325 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:40.519 just makes sense. 326 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.480 So let's just go around, Victoria. What what are some strong 327 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:46.480 things in the pilot you want to talk about here? 328 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:53.279 I was honestly astounded by how great the effects were 329 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:56.759 and how beautifully it was shot. I think when I 330 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.279 was younger, I didn't recognize and I know I'd probably 331 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.559 say this every time podcast with you, Zach, like the 332 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:05.799 episode was beautifully shot, But there's the production vow. 333 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:07.599 I especially for a pilot. 334 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.799 I was really astounded by the effects budget and like 335 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:14.200 the production value of a pilot in the early two thousands. 336 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:17.640 I was really astounded by that. I think the storytelling 337 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:20.519 is amazing, and I also thought there were some what 338 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:23.559 I really loved. And again, I'm not a DC comics 339 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:24.680 person as much. 340 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:27.079 I'm definitely a Marvel more of a Marvel girl. 341 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:29.400 But I thought it and so maybe we see this 342 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.039 in the in the comics, but I thought it was 343 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:36.960 so genius. Tying the way Lex loses his hair to 344 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.079 the meteor shower, I thought that was genius. And then 345 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.640 I also and I know it's like kind of hokey. 346 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:44.839 But I get it. 347 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:49.079 Making Lana kryptonite and the necklace I also thought. 348 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.240 Was see, it's just weakness, you get it everyone. 349 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:55.240 But I know, I know it's kind of hokey, but 350 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:56.759 at the same time, I just love it. 351 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.480 Well, yeah, because it works, It really works, really works. 352 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.000 I also liked that Clark like was kind of sassy 353 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.359 in this. He's like, yeah, He's like, I just want 354 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.759 to be a normal person, Like I hate having to 355 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:09.119 make all these sacrifices. 356 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:11.279 Well, I mean he's like that most of the show. 357 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:13.720 To be fair, it. 358 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.039 Just seems like there was more of a push pull here, 359 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.440 which made him unrelatable, which I think helped us all 360 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:20.359 get hugged on the show. 361 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:22.279 He was he did have like a sense of humor. 362 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.240 He was less MOPy, you know, even though he was 363 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:26.119 moping in a graveyard when Lana showed up. 364 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.960 He was cute as hell with Lana in the graveyard. 365 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.400 He's doing to like what's that, mister Lang? Like it's hokey, 366 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:36.160 but it's also like it's really sweet, like it's really 367 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:41.000 can't I was impressed. I was impressed by Tom's performances 368 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:43.640 for watching it today and kind of impressed that, like 369 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:47.039 I hadn't really noticed it before, but like he's trying 370 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.680 where he can. You can tell that he's stiff. He's 371 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.400 very stiff in some areas, but I mean, like overall, 372 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.880 he's good here, Like I remember why we all kind 373 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:57.319 of fell for him as Superman. 374 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:02.279 You know, Tom's performed Rewatching it too is one of 375 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.759 those things like you know, every time you rewatch, when 376 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:08.519 you're as biased and love it as much as we do, 377 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.400 you're like, is it really you know, is it really 378 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:14.000 as strong or as great? And you're rewatching like yeah, 379 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:18.880 Like his his performance was just pure Superman and just 380 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:23.240 really beautifully like understated, if that makes sense. Like it 381 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:25.920 was very it was very subtle, but which he does 382 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:28.359 really well, but it was very human and it just 383 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.440 you can see why he drew us all in to 384 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:33.599 his character because it just felt very real the way 385 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.039 that he performed it, and like Victoria mentioned. 386 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:36.599 The effects. 387 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.079 Just rewatching it the other day, I was like, wow, 388 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:42.440 this was two thousand and one, and rewatching the opening 389 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.880 meteor sequence there, I was like, these are feature film effects, 390 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.799 Like you know, they're they're by today's standards. I mean, 391 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:51.880 there's little things here and there that would be you know, 392 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:54.559 better or whatever, but by today's standards, it's still like 393 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.160 these are feature film effects. It's and they were doing 394 00:19:57.160 --> 00:19:59.119 this in two thousand and one on a TV show 395 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:01.000 for the W which is like. 396 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.039 Yeah, no, no offense to Matt, but you look at 397 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:06.200 Lowis and Clark special effects and they come. They come 398 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.440 a long way in just a few years. Right, he's done, 399 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.759 he's done. You can't see your listeners. He just throw 400 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:13.920 threw his headsets off. 401 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.279