Speaker 1: Hi, my name is Tom Welling.
Speaker 2: I played Clark Kent on Smallville and you are listening
Speaker 2: to Always hold on to Smallville.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville. In this podcast,
Speaker 3: we've talked about each and every episode of the Young
Speaker 3: Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to
Speaker 3: twenty eleven on the W and the c W. I'm
Speaker 3: your host, Zach Moore, and we're back with another Top
Speaker 3: ten episodes. That's right, the top ten episodes of Smallville,
Speaker 3: as voted by you, the listeners, and this time the
Speaker 3: number nine entry Pilot. That's right, the creatively named pilot
Speaker 3: episode of Smallville. Pilot. Now, to be fair to Smallville,
Speaker 3: a lot of TV shows name their first episode pilot.
Speaker 3: A lot of them don't, though, and a lot of
Speaker 3: them have more creative titles. But here we are, Pilot
Speaker 3: is the number nine entry in the top ten episodes. Now,
Speaker 3: it's a really good pilot. It's a really good episode. Now,
Speaker 3: if you ask Michael Rosenbob who does Talkville, the Tom Welling,
Speaker 3: of course, the pilot has three roses. Nothing beats the pilot.
Speaker 3: It's the ultimate score, right, and he would compare almost
Speaker 3: every episode to the pilot. And how that one's unsurpassable.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, if you have a TV
Speaker 3: show that's two episodes and you say nothing's as good
Speaker 3: as the first one, that's just all downhill, and I
Speaker 3: just I don't look at it that way. I think
Speaker 3: I think that's more applicable to movie franchises than TV shows, honestly. Now, obviously,
Speaker 3: there's so much time and effort and budget and that
Speaker 3: goes into a pilot episode of a TV show that
Speaker 3: other episodes don't get. They have months of preparation, they
Speaker 3: have extra time to film, and usually extra locations. There's
Speaker 3: more scope. It's it's more epic and grand and scale
Speaker 3: because it's establishing the universe of the story and the show.
Speaker 3: So there's a reason pilots have a lot more grandeur
Speaker 3: than a lot of other quote unquote run on the
Speaker 3: middle episodes. Right. But I think there are a lot
Speaker 3: of episodes that are better than the pilot of Smallville.
Speaker 3: I think I think there are probably at least ten
Speaker 3: episodes better than the pilot episode of small vill But
Speaker 3: it's a good pilot, right, So, and I also think
Speaker 3: I think we take the pilot for granted, So let's
Speaker 3: not take the Smallville Pilot for granted this soul a series.
Speaker 3: It ended up launching a decade long show that we love.
Speaker 3: None of us would be here. I wouldn't be talking
Speaker 3: about it, and you wouldn't be listening to me talk
Speaker 3: about it if the Small Little Pilot was not successful.
Speaker 3: It was successful in selling the show. It was successful
Speaker 3: when it came out. The ratings were amazing, It launched
Speaker 3: obviously a very successful series for many seasons. You'll hear
Speaker 3: us talk about it. But I feel like Metamorphosis is
Speaker 3: just as much a part of the pilot as Smallville is.
Speaker 3: That's how I came to it, two episodes edited together
Speaker 3: into one. So when I think of the pilot, I
Speaker 3: think of the pilot and Metamorphosis. So that's where I'm
Speaker 3: coming at it from. But hey, let's look back on
Speaker 3: what we gave the pilot on the letter grade scale
Speaker 3: and the podcast proper. Looking back at our coverage, me
Speaker 3: and Lance Laster were who talked about pilot, and I
Speaker 3: gave the pilot a B plus and Lance gave the
Speaker 3: pilot a B. Now, I I think in retrospect those
Speaker 3: are low. Those are low scores for the pilot, But
Speaker 3: I think it goes to that same thinking. We didn't
Speaker 3: want to come out of the gate when we started
Speaker 3: the podcast saying pilot A plus A even, because then
Speaker 3: I mean, there's nowhere to go but down from there.
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, if I had to do
Speaker 3: it over again, looking back, I would give the pilot,
Speaker 3: you know it an A or an A minus in there.
Speaker 3: I gave the show too much room to grow, and
Speaker 3: Lance gave it to being and we were coming at
Speaker 3: it from the same mindset, I think. So that's why
Speaker 3: we gave it the scores we did. Then let's hear
Speaker 3: us talk about it now. I'm again joined by Lance
Speaker 3: Laster from all Ways Sold On to Arrow, Victoria Malay,
Speaker 3: Matt Trux from Lewis and Clark, the New podcast of Superman,
Speaker 3: and many of the other podcasts here on the Always
Speaker 3: hold On to Network and Patreon, and Matthew Roca. So,
Speaker 3: without further ado, let's discuss the number nine episode of
Speaker 3: Smallville Pilot.
Speaker 4: Do you believe a man can fly? People can't fly?
Speaker 4: Lex I did October sixteenth on the WB's New Tuesday.
Speaker 4: It's the day of the meteor shower. This is how
Speaker 4: you came into our world, sir.
Speaker 2: When do you try to tell me that.
Speaker 4: A small town on the edge of innocence.
Speaker 2: That's me, Clerk. I mean used to people judging me
Speaker 2: before they get to know me.
Speaker 4: I don't want anything to stand in the way of
Speaker 4: our friendships.
Speaker 2: Sometimes people can surprise you.
Speaker 4: We have a future, Clerk, a young man on the
Speaker 4: threshold with Estinay.
Speaker 2: We wanted to protect you and protect me from what.
Speaker 4: Michael Rosenbaum, Kristen Crook, and Tom Wallie. We didn't find you, Clerk,
Speaker 4: you found us. A w B presents a small bill.
Speaker 4: Good for.
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 4: Did you did? On October sixteenth.
Speaker 2: He has quite an extraordinary order, mister Kenneth.
Speaker 4: An unexpected friendship begin thanks to you, I have a
Speaker 4: second chance, a friendship destined to be forsaken.
Speaker 2: Do you believe a man can fly? People can't fly?
Speaker 4: Lex the great story, that's the beginning the series from
Speaker 4: Mere Smallville October sixteenth, on the WB's New Tuesday.
Speaker 3: The pilot of Smallville. So pilot was not on my
Speaker 3: top ten list, what about you lands?
Speaker 1: It was number three on mine right on.
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now it wasn't on my list,
Speaker 2: and that was purely in oversight.
Speaker 3: So TRUEX not on your list was not.
Speaker 2: On my list officially not on my list.
Speaker 3: Rokay, what about you?
Speaker 5: It was on my list?
Speaker 2: Yeah, YouTube for two man, I know, yeah, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Victoria, what about you?
Speaker 6: It's so funny because Pilot wasn't one on my list,
Speaker 6: but Metamorphosis was my number one.
Speaker 2: Nice should I rewatch Metamorphosis? Like I don't remember liking
Speaker 2: that episode.
Speaker 3: But you guys, because like he has an actual fight
Speaker 3: at the end, he knows the freak of the week,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's a really good episode, Matt.
Speaker 6: The thing is like, before I loved Smallville, I loved
Speaker 6: Spider Man, and so like I liked Metamorphosis because there
Speaker 6: was like the closest they got to.
Speaker 2: Right Spider Man when they did right bug Boy.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch it when it first air, becau who
Speaker 3: knew about Smallville?
Speaker 1: I sure did.
Speaker 7: I saw an ad for it in a comic book,
Speaker 7: and then I was just like, ooh, this looks awesome,
Speaker 7: and so like I made a whole night of it
Speaker 7: and everything. I like, like we ordered pizza and like
Speaker 7: all this other stuff because it's like a school night ride,
Speaker 7: but like we made it a special occasion.
Speaker 1: And I saw the first episode and I was hooked.
Speaker 3: Lance and I we're really friends then, So I was
Speaker 3: not invited to this pizza party. Nor was I aware,
Speaker 3: Nor was I aware that small Vel was a TV show.
Speaker 3: As you all have heard me say many times, I
Speaker 3: picked it up and reruns like halfway through the first
Speaker 3: season and carried down on from there. But you know,
Speaker 3: we can just kind of go around and talk about
Speaker 3: our first impressions of the pilot. Lance had his Victoria, Well,
Speaker 3: what's up with your first taste of the Smallville pilot.
Speaker 6: It's actually really funny because I just had like a
Speaker 6: very intense flashback of like how I first discovered the show.
Speaker 6: I started watching when the fourth season aired, and I
Speaker 6: didn't start like aired on the WB and I didn't,
Speaker 6: And then I was like doing this weird simultaneous catch
Speaker 6: up via ABC Family back when it was ABC Family,
Speaker 6: when they just put Smallville intosyndication on that channel.
Speaker 8: That's why I started watching it.
Speaker 6: And I remember there was a marathon. They were doing
Speaker 6: a marathon because they were introducing the show.
Speaker 8: To the channel.
Speaker 6: And I watched the pilot and metamorphosis back to back.
Speaker 3: As you should, as you should never watch the pilot
Speaker 3: with that metamorphosis, is my opinion.
Speaker 6: I can't remember if I'd already seen the beginning the
Speaker 6: first episode of like if I'd seen Crusade already, if
Speaker 6: I'd seen the beginning episode of season four. I can't
Speaker 6: quite recall, but I just remember. It was a small
Speaker 6: Ville marathon. It was the days before DVR, and all
Speaker 6: I wanted to do was watch Smallville. But my mother
Speaker 6: was like, we need to go shopping to buy you
Speaker 6: a nice outfit for your father's charity golf outing that
Speaker 6: he puts on every year, like.
Speaker 8: To like help children with AIDS.
Speaker 6: And I was like, and I literally was dragged. One
Speaker 6: of the masters for New Jersey he might know this reference.
Speaker 6: I had like a six hour meltdown at the Freehold
Speaker 6: mall that day. Like I was a child.
Speaker 2: I forgot how close we are.
Speaker 9: I was so like I was like the most well
Speaker 9: behaved child, but this was a real low point for me.
Speaker 9: I was just like having a meltdown in the mall,
Speaker 9: like at an age that was two.
Speaker 8: I was twelve. I was too old to have a
Speaker 8: meltdown like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was a little twelve was a little
Speaker 3: old for that, Victoria.
Speaker 6: It didn't stop me and I Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 9: Oh and like my sister, Like my sister was like
Speaker 9: being an angel and she like was asked by like
Speaker 9: the North Strong sales department to be in like a
Speaker 9: child fashioned show.
Speaker 6: And I'm just like crying in a corner, like I'm
Speaker 6: not watching small films.
Speaker 3: Well there, see that's a hard story to stop there.
Speaker 3: But truth, what's your story with the pilot?
Speaker 2: I vividly remember I was watching. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: eleven or twelve, watching reruns of og Sabrina on the W.
Speaker 3: John Hart, my my first child, crushed from cushen.
Speaker 2: Of Lang myself. But no, there was a i'm gonna
Speaker 2: say ten second teaser commercial on the WB and it
Speaker 2: was just the first couple shots of the Kryptonite and
Speaker 2: the ship and the Meteors all gone to Earth and
Speaker 2: all it said was Smallville. And like Lois and Clark's podcast, right,
Speaker 2: like small like if it didn't happen to Terry Hatcher
Speaker 2: and Dean Kine, it didn't happen to Superman as far
Speaker 2: as I was concerned at like ten or eleven, But
Speaker 2: I knew the name Smallville that you knew that you knew,
Speaker 2: yeah exactly, So that just like I remember I didn't
Speaker 2: stay up to watch it because I was young, But
Speaker 2: the next day after school, I sat and I watched
Speaker 2: them as just blown away. But it was kind of
Speaker 2: the first time I'd seen a new take on Superman.
Speaker 2: I'd grown up with a bunch of different Batman's, but
Speaker 2: never never seen it. Like I said, if it was
Speaker 2: Dank and Terry Hatcher, if it wasn't them, it didn't
Speaker 2: happen till this show, but just just blew me away.
Speaker 2: I still I watched it today. It's it's one of
Speaker 2: the best pilots I've ever seen in my life. I
Speaker 2: watch it. I mean, it's it's evergreen. It's just the
Speaker 2: coolest thing.
Speaker 3: All right, Roco, what about you? Where did you first
Speaker 3: see pilot?
Speaker 5: So I've shared this before on your podcast in regards
Speaker 5: to the show. Actually, my first experience with Smallville was
Speaker 5: not the pilot. My thing was like, my mom was
Speaker 5: watching the show before I was, and she had like
Speaker 5: this little TV, you know, those little mini TVs like that,
Speaker 5: a little small thing in the kitchen, and she would
Speaker 5: like make dinner and stuff, and just like you guys,
Speaker 5: I was, you know, like twelve, I think maybe like
Speaker 5: thirteen or fourteen, probably thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so it was.
Speaker 5: Like you would be watching the show and I knew nothing,
Speaker 5: absolutely nothing, not like you guys. I knew zero about Superman. Nothing,
Speaker 5: And I'll never forget. My mom kept saying, oh, you
Speaker 5: got to watch the show. You remind me of this
Speaker 5: character Clark. And she also knew nothing Lex Luthor. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 5: the Lex Luthor story. Yes, so I didn't know Lex
Speaker 5: Luthor was a bad guy. That's how little I knew
Speaker 5: about about Superman. Not as kind of awesome nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was really it was actually very awesome because I
Speaker 5: was like discovering it as the characters were right and
Speaker 5: but but I'll never forget like as we started watching
Speaker 5: the show, you know, then my dad was watching with
Speaker 5: us and he's like, oh, why are Clark Kenton Lex
Speaker 5: Luthor hanging out? And we're like, duh, they're friends. Like
Speaker 5: we're like, and.
Speaker 2: He's like, uh, the.
Speaker 5: Bad guy and we're like, no, Dad, you're confused, that's Lionel.
Speaker 5: You're He's like, there's no Lionel. What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: And we're and you know, so that's how little we
Speaker 5: knew about it. Yeah, it was one of those things
Speaker 5: where the pilot then came along as one of those
Speaker 5: you know, like as a rerun later on in the series,
Speaker 5: because I think like the first one that got me
Speaker 5: hooked was cool because I was like obsessed with a
Speaker 5: cheerleader like Wana when I was that age and I
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, like I'm I'm Clark and
Speaker 5: she's Lana and she likes this job assphole and bla.
Speaker 2: So it was like, okay, cool, like I'm hooked on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 5: And then as I started watching, then they had the
Speaker 5: pilot and and that was then like like it was
Speaker 5: like a rerun and they did that with metamorphosis like
Speaker 5: you guys said, and they kind of linked them together.
Speaker 2: And I remember.
Speaker 5: Watching it and just being like blown away by like oh, okay,
Speaker 5: so these are all these missing elements to me as
Speaker 5: not knowing anything, like oh, this is how the Kryptonite works,
Speaker 5: this is how this works, and all of those elements.
Speaker 5: And then I just recently rewatched it a week ago.
Speaker 5: I mean, my mom had a trip down memory Lane
Speaker 5: and we were pre watching and it was one of
Speaker 5: those things where I just like in retrospect realized like, wow,
Speaker 5: this is a perfect pilot, like It's one thing to
Speaker 5: love it as a kid as you're growing up, but
Speaker 5: then to watch it as an adult and for me
Speaker 5: as a filmmaker, Jo, it's just like this is a
Speaker 5: perfect pilot, like it's got It has all the elements
Speaker 5: to introduce every single character, the themes, and how it
Speaker 5: carries over ten years later.
Speaker 2: It's just epic.
Speaker 1: It really is a really good pilot.
Speaker 7: I was very impressed revisiting it, like how good it was, because, like,
Speaker 7: you know, we're in this age of television now where
Speaker 7: we're blessed with so many good shows out there. We
Speaker 7: have so many options and there's a lot the quality
Speaker 7: has risen as well, like from when we were younger,
Speaker 7: and so looking back to see, like, you know, this
Speaker 7: shared show that we all love, the pilot who pilot
Speaker 7: still stands as a really really good one, and it's
Speaker 7: and it's actually pretty exceptional.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Metamorphosis was the first one I saw on WB and
Speaker 3: then I went I think it was like LimeWire, share
Speaker 3: Bear or something like that, because Kazah, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's one of these sides. So I went back and
Speaker 3: I found these these episodes I missed, like the first
Speaker 3: half of season one. Every now and then I'd get
Speaker 3: an episode and I download it, and of course I
Speaker 3: like start the download before I went to school and
Speaker 3: it was done by the time I got home. But
Speaker 3: the pilot metamorphoses are always together. So so it's weird because
Speaker 3: I I didn't see the polit till about near midway
Speaker 3: to the end of season one. I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: well that all makes sense now. They came out on
Speaker 3: like I think it was the Canadian DVD came out
Speaker 3: with the pilot metamorphsis were together, and then if you downloaded,
Speaker 3: sometimes that would be what people ripped, and that's what
Speaker 3: I downloaded and watch, and then sometimes they reair them together.
Speaker 3: They kind of that seems like they pan up to
Speaker 3: the sky and they panned down to outside a lot
Speaker 3: of souse and orctually. Well, but but to me, I mean,
Speaker 3: you guys say this is the perfect pilot, Like I
Speaker 3: like it, it's fine, but I think I feel like
Speaker 3: it's incomplete without the metamorphosis have because it pays awful
Speaker 3: lot of things because like, if you think about the pilot,
Speaker 3: you just kind of leave the whole Whitney thing unresolved.
Speaker 3: And Lex Luther has this scryptonite, but you never follow
Speaker 3: up on that, and him and Lata never kind of
Speaker 3: have a scene after earlier. So even though it was
Speaker 3: filmed like several months later, it really does complete it.
Speaker 3: And to me, like I like I said, I always
Speaker 3: have to watch them together.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 7: It's definitely a set music terminology here. This is definitely
Speaker 7: movement too, uh Like, the piece is not complete without it.
Speaker 7: So when I refer to the pilot, I'm talking about
Speaker 7: the pilot and metamorphosis because to me, that just it
Speaker 7: just makes sense.
Speaker 3: So let's just go around, Victoria. What what are some strong
Speaker 3: things in the pilot you want to talk about here?
Speaker 6: I was honestly astounded by how great the effects were
Speaker 6: and how beautifully it was shot. I think when I
Speaker 6: was younger, I didn't recognize and I know I'd probably
Speaker 6: say this every time podcast with you, Zach, like the
Speaker 6: episode was beautifully shot, But there's the production vow.
Speaker 8: I especially for a pilot.
Speaker 6: I was really astounded by the effects budget and like
Speaker 6: the production value of a pilot in the early two thousands.
Speaker 6: I was really astounded by that. I think the storytelling
Speaker 6: is amazing, and I also thought there were some what
Speaker 6: I really loved. And again, I'm not a DC comics
Speaker 6: person as much.
Speaker 8: I'm definitely a Marvel more of a Marvel girl.
Speaker 6: But I thought it and so maybe we see this
Speaker 6: in the in the comics, but I thought it was
Speaker 6: so genius. Tying the way Lex loses his hair to
Speaker 6: the meteor shower, I thought that was genius. And then
Speaker 6: I also and I know it's like kind of hokey.
Speaker 8: But I get it.
Speaker 6: Making Lana kryptonite and the necklace I also thought.
Speaker 3: Was see, it's just weakness, you get it everyone.
Speaker 6: But I know, I know it's kind of hokey, but
Speaker 6: at the same time, I just love it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it works, It really works, really works.
Speaker 6: I also liked that Clark like was kind of sassy
Speaker 6: in this. He's like, yeah, He's like, I just want
Speaker 6: to be a normal person, Like I hate having to
Speaker 6: make all these sacrifices.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he's like that most of the show.
Speaker 3: To be fair, it.
Speaker 6: Just seems like there was more of a push pull here,
Speaker 6: which made him unrelatable, which I think helped us all
Speaker 6: get hugged on the show.
Speaker 3: He was he did have like a sense of humor.
Speaker 3: He was less MOPy, you know, even though he was
Speaker 3: moping in a graveyard when Lana showed up.
Speaker 2: He was cute as hell with Lana in the graveyard.
Speaker 2: He's doing to like what's that, mister Lang? Like it's hokey,
Speaker 2: but it's also like it's really sweet, like it's really
Speaker 2: can't I was impressed. I was impressed by Tom's performances
Speaker 2: for watching it today and kind of impressed that, like
Speaker 2: I hadn't really noticed it before, but like he's trying
Speaker 2: where he can. You can tell that he's stiff. He's
Speaker 2: very stiff in some areas, but I mean, like overall,
Speaker 2: he's good here, Like I remember why we all kind
Speaker 2: of fell for him as Superman.
Speaker 5: You know, Tom's performed Rewatching it too is one of
Speaker 5: those things like you know, every time you rewatch, when
Speaker 5: you're as biased and love it as much as we do,
Speaker 5: you're like, is it really you know, is it really
Speaker 5: as strong or as great? And you're rewatching like yeah,
Speaker 5: Like his his performance was just pure Superman and just
Speaker 5: really beautifully like understated, if that makes sense. Like it
Speaker 5: was very it was very subtle, but which he does
Speaker 5: really well, but it was very human and it just
Speaker 5: you can see why he drew us all in to
Speaker 5: his character because it just felt very real the way
Speaker 5: that he performed it, and like Victoria mentioned.
Speaker 2: The effects.
Speaker 5: Just rewatching it the other day, I was like, wow,
Speaker 5: this was two thousand and one, and rewatching the opening
Speaker 5: meteor sequence there, I was like, these are feature film effects,
Speaker 5: Like you know, they're they're by today's standards. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's little things here and there that would be you know,
Speaker 5: better or whatever, but by today's standards, it's still like
Speaker 5: these are feature film effects. It's and they were doing
Speaker 5: this in two thousand and one on a TV show
Speaker 5: for the W which is like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no offense to Matt, but you look at
Speaker 3: Lowis and Clark special effects and they come. They come
Speaker 3: a long way in just a few years. Right, he's done,
Speaker 3: he's done. You can't see your listeners. He just throw
Speaker 3: threw his headsets off.
Speaker 2: No, I agree with what you're saying to dude.
Speaker 3: That that one I don't know what episode it is, Matt,
Speaker 3: but the one where Lex is shooting skeet with Nigel,
Speaker 3: that's probably the worst special effect I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And the CGI talking about, yeah, I do know what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. Off his balcony of Lex Tower, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's terrible. I will say, just to what Matt was saying.
Speaker 2: Tom is very good in the scene in the show.
Speaker 2: He's pretty subtle throughout until he has to fall in
Speaker 2: front of Wana. I don't know if that was him
Speaker 2: or that was a stunt double just doing that like
Speaker 2: and one, two, three, four five and he just like plants,
Speaker 2: but like it was a really good physical fall. It's
Speaker 2: still very funny.
Speaker 3: I was more distracted the fact he had a skateboard.
Speaker 3: What did you guys think about the skateboard?
Speaker 2: But is Marty McFly he had his arm pad shows
Speaker 2: when he when Whitney throws him on the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he like braces his arm a little bit of No.
Speaker 6: But I tend to get very distracted by other features
Speaker 6: of Tom.
Speaker 3: Welling, so.
Speaker 2: Did Victoria.
Speaker 5: Of course, I know this is something we all laugh at,
Speaker 5: but I know it wasn't planned at the time. But
Speaker 5: it's still kind of fun to look at, Like it's
Speaker 5: just interesting like that. The opening scene includes Lionel Luther
Speaker 5: looking at a paper of Oliver Queen's parents murdered, right
Speaker 5: of course, and of course we all make fun of Veritas,
Speaker 5: as we should, but it's still kind of fun.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 2: How dare you bring up that word?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, he's admiring his handywork because he just had
Speaker 3: Robert Queen. Is his name Robert and smaller? I don't
Speaker 3: know Robert Queen. I guess John g Lover, right, And
Speaker 3: he's in this and then they quickly bring him back
Speaker 3: for Hothead and then it goes on from there and
Speaker 3: jitters and stuff. They could have been a doad where
Speaker 3: they never bring like his dad in That just shows
Speaker 3: you a little slice Alexis childhood where his dad was
Speaker 3: kind of like, get your rock together, son, You're not
Speaker 3: gonna ge anywhere in life without opening your eyes. But
Speaker 3: then he becomes an ingegble part of the show.
Speaker 6: Which was so funny to watch his hands. He's in
Speaker 6: the first scene and he plays a dad.
Speaker 8: I'm like, I know him, I know him.
Speaker 2: Does he not have the first line of the movie?
Speaker 8: I think so.
Speaker 2: I think he might.
Speaker 5: Have you ever have you ever seen this is just
Speaker 5: so off topic, but have you ever seen fifty two
Speaker 5: pickup with John Glover?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: So weird, like seventies thriller and he's like a sleazy
Speaker 5: like Hillary rapist and it's great, it's great, you'll love it.
Speaker 3: I think casting. I mean this this being the first episode, right,
Speaker 3: I mean casting the older characters. John Shiner is Jonathan
Speaker 3: Kent and an Ed O'Toole is Martha Kent, who was
Speaker 3: a recast from Scythia Ettinger as the original Martha kN
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys see see when I
Speaker 3: first down the pilot, like there's I'm like, what is
Speaker 3: his alternate pilot? I'm like, who, why are these Why
Speaker 3: is this a different Martha King? What is this? Thanks
Speaker 3: Kaza or whatever. But they recast her with anto tool
Speaker 3: after the in between the pilot and metamorphosis, and they
Speaker 3: reshot the scene, so there's an alternate there's like just
Speaker 3: like because Martha is that's some saying. Martha doesn't have
Speaker 3: a lot of scenes in this one, so it was
Speaker 3: really easy to reshoot.
Speaker 7: Speaking of like the you know, the Martha casting, like
Speaker 7: it was a good thing to see a netto tool
Speaker 7: in there. It's a legacy casting because like when I
Speaker 7: first saw it, I was just like, hey, it's Lana
Speaker 7: from from Superman three. And I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 7: The show called Novel has Lana from the Superman movies.
Speaker 7: I was like, this is amazing. This is the best
Speaker 7: show ever about casting though, let's kind of talk about
Speaker 7: that for a second. Lana is traditionally like a white,
Speaker 7: redheaded girl, and so when you see Christian Kirk, who's like,
Speaker 7: you know, Asian American descent, this is like, oh wow,
Speaker 7: this is pretty progressive for two thousand and one, considering
Speaker 7: all other shows on the network at the time were
Speaker 7: We're not like that at all.
Speaker 1: And also and the fact that Pete, you know, like his.
Speaker 7: Best friend, who's also traditionally not a black person, was
Speaker 7: a black person of this it's like, oh, oh good, good, Like,
Speaker 7: you know, points to you guys for like making the
Speaker 7: world look like the world instead of just not like
Speaker 7: it is.
Speaker 2: And they're gonna get married eventually here, so.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, well actually that's as far as they go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Chloe was originally gonna be African American
Speaker 3: and I quote unquote ethnic character according to the casting calls,
Speaker 3: but they like Alison Max Allison Max performance so much
Speaker 3: that they cast her and they're like, well, now we
Speaker 3: got to make Pete, you know, not white. So and
Speaker 3: I've said this, they just didn't know what to do
Speaker 3: with Pete after they've made him black. If he had
Speaker 3: been a white guy, he would have been around at
Speaker 3: least seven years.
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, well maybe because Whitney was around for only
Speaker 7: one year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was the obstacle boyfriend, the template that
Speaker 3: they use in the Flash and an Arrow, and they
Speaker 3: continue to improve upon it and refine it because he's
Speaker 3: just the one like Whitney here, right, He's just a
Speaker 3: one dimensional character, and he pretty much is for most
Speaker 3: of Season one, honestly, until like his dag gets sick
Speaker 3: near the end of the season and they try to
Speaker 3: get him some manity and they're and actually he's a
Speaker 3: really good arc if you just look at like the
Speaker 3: season one ally, at the end of season one, like
Speaker 3: him and Clark like we've had a weird year kind
Speaker 3: of shake hands and you know that's cool. Eric Johnson,
Speaker 3: he kind of knew what he was in for. I know,
Speaker 3: when the Companion, He's like, yeah, I kind of figured
Speaker 3: that I was the boyfriend of the loving tests of
Speaker 3: the main character, so I wasn't gonna be around very long.
Speaker 3: But I think for what he has, what they give
Speaker 3: him to do, he does well. And you know, and
Speaker 3: we no one has mentioned this yet. I need to
Speaker 3: mention it. Michael Rosebaum people Rose, the guy from Zoe Duncan,
Speaker 3: Jack and Jane is like that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing about Rosamond though, it's like he just
Speaker 3: he's there's so much going on, you know, under the surface,
Speaker 3: from the minute he gets out of his porch. Thanks Dad,
Speaker 3: you're like this guy, man, he's something else. And the
Speaker 3: whole episode like trying to be friends with Clark, and
Speaker 3: it makes sense because he's this kind of outcast guy
Speaker 3: and it is kind of creepy, how like this twenty
Speaker 3: two year old billionaire wants to like be BFFs with
Speaker 3: a fifteen year old a high school student. But you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. He did save his life, So.
Speaker 5: Like, rewatching it, I realized how many of his lines
Speaker 5: could be interpreted as creepy when you like, when you
Speaker 5: know who Lex Luthor is, but me, like I said,
Speaker 5: me not knowing who he was, it's like, oh, cool,
Speaker 5: like this guy's his best friend. But but for you
Speaker 5: guys like watching it when you first saw it was Lex,
Speaker 5: I mean you knew who he was going to be,
Speaker 5: But like in the pilot, did you feel like, oh,
Speaker 5: this guy is manipulating Clerk and he's a bad guy already,
Speaker 5: or did you think or did you know where they
Speaker 5: were going with it with him being a good guy
Speaker 5: and turning evil as the show progressed, like what did
Speaker 5: how did you all come to it?
Speaker 1: And so I was intrigued by it.
Speaker 7: Initially I was just like, well, he's obviously the villain,
Speaker 7: but like when you see the episode, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 7: they're going to set up a friendship here, and then
Speaker 7: once you kind of realize that that's what they're going for,
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, we're going to see the two of
Speaker 7: them like kind of move apart, and we're going to
Speaker 7: see how they become enemy.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, that's pretty neat. I don't
Speaker 1: know how it's going to end.
Speaker 7: If it was to me thinking about it back then,
Speaker 7: I was like, I don't know how this is gonna end,
Speaker 7: but it's going to be an interesting journey, to say
Speaker 7: the least. So I kind of saw what they were
Speaker 7: doing from the jump.
Speaker 6: I think when I first started watching, you know, back
Speaker 6: in the day, I knew that Lex Luthor was a villain,
Speaker 6: but I didn't know enough to be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 6: I just kind of went with it and then rewatching
Speaker 6: it two nights ago, So I think Honestly, the young
Speaker 6: actor who plays Lex does such a good job that,
Speaker 6: even with everything that I know now, and I obviously
Speaker 6: I am much more well acquainted with the premise of
Speaker 6: the show, I just kind of took everything at face
Speaker 6: value and it was like just kind of gave him
Speaker 6: that blank slate to operate from.
Speaker 3: The ultimate tool for the master thief. Can I cannot
Speaker 3: not say that? Sorry? So you know, Victoria, you mentioned
Speaker 3: him losing his hair, and I think that was a
Speaker 3: real genie. There's a lot of genius decisions wise here
Speaker 3: because like the first of all, the meteor shower coming
Speaker 3: with the spaceship genius because one it covers up the spaceship,
Speaker 3: which is the two thousand and one, we have satellites,
Speaker 3: and then it creates a weakness for Clark, so an obstacle,
Speaker 3: and then it creates these mutants that exist in.
Speaker 8: Smavel episodic structure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there he goes.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It also throws that guilt.
Speaker 3: In, right, Yeah, because he's responsible for everything, as I
Speaker 3: mean indirectly, but if he hadn't out come here, and
Speaker 3: that's the thing that ties into Lawna too, right, because
Speaker 3: he feels so guilty about That's why when he first
Speaker 3: sees the wall, weird. It shakes him because he's like,
Speaker 3: oh man, this is because of where I came from
Speaker 3: and what came with me, and and it also ties
Speaker 3: the origin of at this point in the show, the
Speaker 3: three main characters. So you have Clark, Lex and Lana.
Speaker 3: Clark comes in the meteor shower. Lex is forever changed
Speaker 3: by it, and so is Lana because her parents get killed,
Speaker 3: and that defines your character for pretty much the rest
Speaker 3: of the show on and off.
Speaker 7: What makes this pilot so great is that, like, yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, one of my favorite comic writers, Kyle Higgins,
Speaker 7: he says, every story has a promise and a premise.
Speaker 7: With Smallville, you see you know the promise of the
Speaker 7: show already after this episode is finished. You see the
Speaker 7: promise in the premise of the show, like automatically where
Speaker 7: Clark is going, you see where Lex is going, how
Speaker 7: their paths are going to converge. You see the same
Speaker 7: thing with Lana. You see how Clark brings things like
Speaker 7: his coming into the world brings trouble also at the
Speaker 7: same time that he is responsible for and directly and indirectly,
Speaker 7: and all this sets up the tryles for Superman that's
Speaker 7: why this, to me works and something like Gotham does not.
Speaker 1: But we can get into that a different day at
Speaker 1: a different time.
Speaker 2: There's not enough time. I also think, like visually the pilot,
Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about the cinematography and stuff,
Speaker 2: but like just I mean watching that damn stunt again
Speaker 2: when the Porsche goes over the pot that's the man
Speaker 2: just fly. Nothing about that isn't convincing or kind of
Speaker 2: horrifying to watch. And then like even just like the
Speaker 2: little cues, the red capes on him from the EMTs
Speaker 2: and at the end they fade up to the stars
Speaker 2: and there's like little red and green stars up there
Speaker 2: like other little red suns, and Krypton's out there somewhere,
Speaker 2: you know. Like just they obviously took the time. It's
Speaker 2: a pilot. Of course they're going to take a little
Speaker 2: bit extra time. But it's impressive the production failures they got.
Speaker 2: Just like we've been saying effects, but again, like physical
Speaker 2: they screw a guy in a car off a bridge
Speaker 2: and it looks amazing.
Speaker 3: That is the key. They hadn't quite gone into the
Speaker 3: well let's just use a CGI car, are yeah, or
Speaker 3: like let's just let's just add some cgi fire to
Speaker 3: the kin farm when it gets hit by a meteorite
Speaker 3: or something like no no, no, like like stuff gets destroyed,
Speaker 3: like the whole the truck getting flipped over, like all
Speaker 3: these physical tangible thing Ye did you catch how these
Speaker 3: spaceship they hadn't designed the space ship yet. It's like
Speaker 3: the artichoke looking spaceship.
Speaker 2: I hate it so much.
Speaker 6: I also have a note, I think because it's been
Speaker 6: a long time, but I wrote chocolate bar key.
Speaker 2: Chocolate bar key.
Speaker 1: Yes, it does look like a chocolate bark.
Speaker 2: Does that prop? That prop becomes the heart of the ship? Right?
Speaker 2: That never comes.
Speaker 3: Also, they upgrade that as well, bring it back everyone's
Speaker 3: favorite octagon, right well yeah, well no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: that's not even related. They and I think that's in
Speaker 3: the skin Walkers. They bring that back. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh that that looks like much like the small level
Speaker 3: high school letter jackets up get upgraded. There's just an
Speaker 3: aspect they made it too super manny. They had like
Speaker 3: a shield behind it and stuff. They're like, all right,
Speaker 3: let's tone that back a little bit. The barn gets
Speaker 3: fleshed out, the torch gets fleshed out of the wall of weird,
Speaker 3: Like look like they're in the library in the pilot.
Speaker 2: But they were not. They were totally in that school.
Speaker 5: The mansion, it's so different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the mansions. So they really refined everything.
Speaker 2: It's all real locations. Yeah, they haven't really built much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when they actually got the green light to series,
Speaker 3: they're like, all right, now we can we really can
Speaker 3: afford to build all this stuff. But it's funny to
Speaker 3: think that, like being the continuity nippicker that I am
Speaker 3: as I watch these things, like this is supposed to
Speaker 3: be the next day, everything looks so different so hard.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I'll tell you what's not there. The
Speaker 3: Veritas someone, I'm never gonna let that go because that's honestly,
Speaker 3: that's the most insulting rerecon in history of recons.
Speaker 2: But anyway, anybody else notice how like artfully they dodge
Speaker 2: saying the word alien in this Like I was trying
Speaker 2: to watch it, like like not as into it as we.
Speaker 3: Are, parents aren't from around here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they never say it, obviously they show the spaceship,
Speaker 2: but like I get it, Like guys that are saying
Speaker 2: you didn't know it was the Superman thing, Like I
Speaker 2: get it, because.
Speaker 3: Remember this is two thousand and one, we're not allowed
Speaker 3: to see superhero costumes or mentioned superhero names, so those
Speaker 3: will never be successful, never make money in a box
Speaker 3: officer on TV ever. Again, So no thanks, Batman and Robin.
Speaker 5: It's kind of funny this came out like right after Unbreakable, right,
Speaker 5: and that was the same thing where it was like
Speaker 5: the studio was like, no, like we don't want to
Speaker 5: advertise this as a superhero thing, like that's s geeky,
Speaker 5: that's not in vogue or whatever.
Speaker 1: It became taboo, and so that's why, like we have
Speaker 1: this like pared down show, but now Smuggle end up
Speaker 1: proven wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think that's actually part of the reason.
Speaker 6: I've said this before and I've gotten real into it
Speaker 6: on my podcast, But like Smallville was such a trailblazer
Speaker 6: and such a pioneer, and honestly though, I think that
Speaker 6: worked for them. I think the fact that they grounded
Speaker 6: it and they pare down all the super stuff and
Speaker 6: they really need it about this young man who doesn't
Speaker 6: feel like he fits in anywhere and is reckoning with
Speaker 6: all of this, I think that really set a course
Speaker 6: both on TV and screen that there's a human way
Speaker 6: to tell these epic mythical stories.
Speaker 3: Roll hitting in their heads that this young man who
Speaker 3: doesn't know his place in the world, he's trying to
Speaker 3: figure it out. And that's what we all are in
Speaker 3: high school and when we're younger, and even you know,
Speaker 3: even when we're older, sometimes there's trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 3: I think everybody could relate in some way to one
Speaker 3: of these characters, like it's funny, it's it's it's like
Speaker 3: depends on where you are in life or kind of
Speaker 3: mood you're in. You're like you watch them all like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm totally Clark im No, unfortunately, I'm totally lex So
Speaker 3: that's that's the beauty of the show. So and I
Speaker 3: don't do you guys, Yes, it was on the WB
Speaker 3: but I mean, being a high schooler at the time,
Speaker 3: like being Clark stage right, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is great. I love Superman and I'm a teenager and
Speaker 3: I have all these feelings. This is my jam right.
Speaker 3: But I think they they did a pretty good balance,
Speaker 3: and they established that balance pretty well here in the
Speaker 3: pilot for like how much SUPERHEROI ish stuff are gonna
Speaker 3: do and how much like to you know, lack of
Speaker 3: a better term to w b ish creaking ship up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the point where the show starts with the epic,
Speaker 2: with the cinematic, with the you know, the Superman of it,
Speaker 2: and ends with like, oh, that boy just wants to
Speaker 2: be with that girl. That's out. It totally becomes a
Speaker 2: wb show after forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, real does.
Speaker 7: And the high school element like this first in the pilot,
Speaker 7: like it starts off with like the backdrop of all
Speaker 7: of this is Homecoming. Yeah, like it's you know, it
Speaker 7: just something that everybody can relate to, and everybody.
Speaker 1: Knows what that is.
Speaker 8: Americans.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, Americans know what that is. It's
Speaker 7: something for us to really like dive into and just like, oh,
Speaker 7: we understand this world. I'm all about it.
Speaker 3: Did he really think Lana wasn't gonna go to the
Speaker 3: homecoming dance with Whitney? Like thing, Yeah, I'm going to
Speaker 3: that thing. Come on, man, you gotta take your shot,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: But come on, right, it was a big deal.
Speaker 8: He mustered up a lot of courage to do that.
Speaker 3: Okay, okah, do you think Whitney's treatment of Clark is
Speaker 3: kind of extreme?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 3: Like like or just the whole what do you guys
Speaker 3: think about the scarecrow thing? Period?
Speaker 5: They strung you up and put you in a field.
Speaker 5: Even the Romans saved up for special occasions.
Speaker 3: A great mine from Metamorphosis episode people.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: He also like checks out Lana in the first scene
Speaker 3: creepy in retrospect, well even out of retrospect, but can't
Speaker 3: knock your taste in women, as he bites an apple
Speaker 3: and throws apple welf.
Speaker 6: I mean you hear stories, You hear those like tragedy,
Speaker 6: like those stories of just people doing.
Speaker 8: Unimaginable things.
Speaker 6: And I don't I mean, I grew up in suburbia,
Speaker 6: but I also grew up in like I know, no
Speaker 6: one believes us, but in New Jersey, like we grew
Speaker 6: up in I grew up in a farm town.
Speaker 8: I and so, I mean when you don't have much
Speaker 8: else to do.
Speaker 6: But I also grew up I went to a huge
Speaker 6: state school too, And I can totally see the scarecrow
Speaker 6: kind of thing happening.
Speaker 1: It's just hazing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so like and and unfortunately, like stuff like this
Speaker 7: goes on if you're in a group of it, like
Speaker 7: are a part of a team or something like that like,
Speaker 7: dumb stuff is going to go on, and you're gonna
Speaker 7: do dumb stuff.
Speaker 6: When I was at Chapel Hill, a kid died after
Speaker 6: he fell off like a water tower or he fell
Speaker 6: off something and died.
Speaker 2: Never underestimate the cruelty of children.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, yeah, so yeah, it's believable that in this
Speaker 7: small town, you know, the varsity football team would torment somebody.
Speaker 7: And it just so happens that Whitney caught Lana giving
Speaker 7: Clark a peck on the cheek and he's like, I'm
Speaker 7: nipping this in the bud, and that he made Clark the.
Speaker 1: Target of him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then the only unrealistic thing is like he's
Speaker 6: like you six foot three, Like.
Speaker 3: God, you're it. That's the thing. Like I understand why
Speaker 3: they cast him like Tom Welling. And you can say, well,
Speaker 3: Kryptonian's age faster and mature puberty whatever. I can fan
Speaker 3: by my explanation. But you look at Chizam, right, those
Speaker 3: kids looked like teenagers. Right. Yes, nowadays they're actually trying
Speaker 3: to cast younger people for these roles, but I mean
Speaker 3: this is two thousand and one. We're still like in
Speaker 3: the Dawson's Creek era of like, let's cast a thirty
Speaker 3: year old you know, Beverly Hills ninety one.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but it's all right. So I have two
Speaker 6: jaded Hollywood explanations for that. One is that, A, you
Speaker 6: don't want to cast a minor because they can't work
Speaker 6: as many hours. And then two, I don't think I
Speaker 6: mean nowadays, I think they cast younger actors, like I
Speaker 6: know they do it with Tom Holland in the MTU
Speaker 6: because they're like, oh, you're gonna.
Speaker 8: Hear you're sending a nine movie contract deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we need you to be able.
Speaker 6: To age in this. And I don't think they really
Speaker 6: expected Smallville.
Speaker 8: To be a ten year long show, right, No, that
Speaker 8: is clear.
Speaker 3: Well, at the end of this very episode, he's like
Speaker 3: Jonathan asked Clark. He's like, hey, Clark, how you doing.
Speaker 3: He's like, ask me in about five years. That's like,
Speaker 3: that's a.
Speaker 2: Flat brilliant Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: A week part of the pilot is the freak of
Speaker 3: the Week. They have so much to establish, right it's
Speaker 3: the first episode of the first season. They're establishing this
Speaker 3: news universe of Superman. You know, something's got to give.
Speaker 3: There's not enough time, you know, so the villain falls,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like start trek coding nine. They had
Speaker 3: so much to do. They need to established the crew
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff, the villain and that nero.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he's a hello, Hi Christopher, iim neiro. I
Speaker 3: mean Eric Manon was fine, but like it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're not We're not here for that. You're just an
Speaker 3: obstacle to like assemble the team. That's the kind of
Speaker 3: deal here that there needs to be a mystery that
Speaker 3: needs to go on. And that's what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 3: the fight this is like, this is so so classic Smallville.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that the first fight, like he throws
Speaker 3: the guy thirty feet that's like the end of a
Speaker 3: right and even when he wakes up though, like and
Speaker 3: they they used this in these pro on these ABC
Speaker 3: Family promos, Victoria, you're talking about like when when the
Speaker 3: guy wakes up and he's like, oh, what's going on?
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm Clark Kent and you're the ABC Family.
Speaker 2: You know, he might as well said that, Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: your trip.
Speaker 6: I could tell you the song that's playing in the
Speaker 6: background of the ABC Family promos, Like it's nice to
Speaker 6: see you by fooled by April.
Speaker 4: From Clark Kent. You're in small though.
Speaker 2: What's happening to me? It's like having a dual identity.
Speaker 6: I can see through things normal, there's a person that
Speaker 6: everybody sees.
Speaker 2: All I want to do is go through high school
Speaker 2: without being a totle loss and the person that you
Speaker 2: want to be, you're the feeling.
Speaker 1: This is the story of Glde.
Speaker 4: Can't I give.
Speaker 2: Anything to be normal?
Speaker 4: A small hill coming up next?
Speaker 2: On a DC Family.
Speaker 6: I was like a huge Spider Man band. I was
Speaker 6: obsessed with Spider Man, like be on obsessed with spider Man.
Speaker 6: Was like f Superman. Superman is not as cool as
Speaker 6: Spider Man. And then I was on vacation in Cape
Speaker 6: cod and I saw these ABC family promos. While I
Speaker 6: was watching whose line is it?
Speaker 8: Anyway? And I like Tom Welling Space came on screen.
Speaker 3: And I was like, who is that?
Speaker 1: What is going on here?
Speaker 6: And like everyone would just screen to me.
Speaker 8: I could be showering, I could be like doing anything.
Speaker 6: And everyone's like the commercials on would run and just
Speaker 6: like watch it, be like I need I want to
Speaker 6: go to there.
Speaker 8: And then I became a brand fan.
Speaker 7: It's funny like you're talking about that. Like a lot
Speaker 7: of people in high school, like a lot of people
Speaker 7: that we talked to, like, we're watching the show because
Speaker 7: it was it was new, it was fresh, and it
Speaker 7: was it was really popular these first especially the first
Speaker 7: couple of years, and and so like everybody had that
Speaker 7: reaction with Tom and then like and just like all
Speaker 7: of us had the same reaction with Lana and Chloe.
Speaker 7: It's just funny, like everybody had the same reactions to
Speaker 7: the stars of the show. It's just like, oh, this
Speaker 7: is our stuff right here.
Speaker 2: That's also why we can't cast fourteen year olds because
Speaker 2: these people have to be hot and we haven't want
Speaker 2: to see them. Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 3: Part fourteen year old. Yeah right. The music, right, the
Speaker 3: pop music begins here, so great. Yeah, life House, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna oh my god, I have so much everything, your
Speaker 3: every thing?
Speaker 2: Are we all fans of everything?
Speaker 5: Every time I hear that song, I always get chills,
Speaker 5: and I think at that moment, and and there are
Speaker 5: quite a few moments I'm not ashamed to admit that
Speaker 5: I'll get teary eyed hearing that song.
Speaker 2: It's it's very heartfelt than like seeing him and the
Speaker 2: camera pans up and all that.
Speaker 5: It's so good the moment when it cuts from her
Speaker 5: being there to her not being there, it's just so relatable,
Speaker 5: you know, it's just such a great moment.
Speaker 7: And and just listen to the lyrics. It's like it's perfect.
Speaker 7: Like y'all know how much I love perfect songs for
Speaker 7: perfect occasions. That is the perfect song for that occasion.
Speaker 7: There's nothing no other song would have been, like would
Speaker 7: a fit.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a perfect song for the unhealthy relationship that
Speaker 3: is Clark And yes, all I want You're all I need.
Speaker 6: You ain't know it was unhealthy.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 6: I have a lot of feelings about the song everything
Speaker 6: in this pilot. I was like bracing myself for it
Speaker 6: because like I'm the weird thing where if I love something,
Speaker 6: I actually don't want to watch it too many times,
Speaker 6: I think because it's such an intense.
Speaker 8: Emotional experience for me.
Speaker 6: Returns, Yeah, but it was bonkers when like I was
Speaker 6: watching that scene and I was even ready for it
Speaker 6: and listening.
Speaker 3: To that song literally like Returns was in the room.
Speaker 6: Where I first watched it, and for me two thousand
Speaker 6: and four to back just like it was, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 8: It just shows you the power, the power of it.
Speaker 3: Then, that's kind of like the small of a love
Speaker 3: song in the first season, because they bring it back
Speaker 3: in the finale too season. It's kind of like they
Speaker 3: had it with Whitney playing it though.
Speaker 5: That's Clark's song. That was.
Speaker 3: Totally kinship by then. My friend, so, I was all
Speaker 3: about that song.
Speaker 5: That was.
Speaker 3: Totally kship by then, my friend, so, I was all about, there,
Speaker 3: they can have that song.
Speaker 2: He just has a very vivid fantasy life like it
Speaker 2: all it all plays in.
Speaker 3: That's a weird thing. Let's talk about that, right, The
Speaker 3: daydreaming that he does in this episode.
Speaker 8: I'm into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's very relateable.
Speaker 3: He imagines he's a football star, Like we've all been there, right,
Speaker 3: It's just going to be a thing that It's like
Speaker 3: pilots always have these things that they always drop and
Speaker 3: they're like, all right, enough enough day dreaming. It's just
Speaker 3: it's funny to see him do that multiple times in
Speaker 3: this episode and they never really do that again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, marpaceships.
Speaker 6: For instance, Martha's class on Weekday Night.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, aout.
Speaker 3: I don't think they had fleshed out her metropolis backstory
Speaker 3: by the in Victoria and the nell Oh yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I love are visiting that. I was like, oh, I
Speaker 3: loved it explored.
Speaker 6: I feel like they referenced it a couple of times,
Speaker 6: like that's why Clark and Lawna never really became friends
Speaker 6: even though their houses in this pilot are one hundred
Speaker 6: yards from each other.
Speaker 3: And she was wearing a crimpon nine necklace.
Speaker 8: But go on, well yeah no, but that's like a reason.
Speaker 6: But I just remember there's an episode somewhere where in
Speaker 6: season one, it's like first half of season one where
Speaker 6: she's like, it's.
Speaker 3: A shimmer is the episode out on the porch. You're like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, Jude and my dad and your hair used
Speaker 3: to wow. Okay, yeah yeah, And it was an interesting character.
Speaker 3: I wish they would have used her more. And that's
Speaker 3: writing her off.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That was another and also another drop thing that was
Speaker 5: like I'm kind of glad they dropped, but it's just
Speaker 5: kind of weird. Like in the pilot, you know, when
Speaker 5: we talked about the freak waking up and being like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know who am I and you're blah blah blah,
Speaker 5: and your name's and you're Jeremy and you're in Smallville,
Speaker 5: like right, I'm Clark Kenton. But like they never did
Speaker 5: that again, right, like where the freak totally forgets what
Speaker 5: he did. Like it's it's always like he has he
Speaker 5: or she has more economy than that.
Speaker 3: They didn't give every although we have an amnes account
Speaker 3: on the show, they a least didn't give every single
Speaker 3: villain like some kind of like because they had to
Speaker 3: be smart about it. Like Clark's using this and that's
Speaker 3: that's part of the fun of the show too. There
Speaker 3: is no secret identity here, so he has to really
Speaker 3: be smart about how he uses his powers.
Speaker 2: At least they didn't wipe the main villain's memory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like imagine imagine that the show ended and like
Speaker 3: Lex Luthor got his mind. But that was the stupidest ending, right, Anyway,
Speaker 3: maybe we'll talk about that and our conversations is to
Speaker 3: go down this list, we'll see his power set. I
Speaker 3: think it was real smart to to to just give
Speaker 3: him strength and speed and then he kind.
Speaker 2: Of earns the power vulnerability, right, and now he gets
Speaker 2: to puberty throughout this series.
Speaker 5: It's just yeah, it's really.
Speaker 2: Great vision the X ray.
Speaker 3: You know, they kind of run out around season six
Speaker 3: and like, oh, give him the super breath. Okay, we
Speaker 3: all know that. But but but that that was smart though,
Speaker 3: like to see him and that's something they kind of
Speaker 3: evolved over season one. He didn't really know how strong
Speaker 3: he was, Like he didn't know that he could get
Speaker 3: hit by a car, you know, Like that's why he
Speaker 3: sticks his arm in the wood chipper because it's like,
Speaker 3: look what's up here? Because he knew he was like
Speaker 3: fast and strong, but you could still kind of explain
Speaker 3: that away. That's why he's like googling the fastest man alive.
Speaker 3: I guess that might have been some kind of flash reference.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And that and doing like the speed, looking at the speed. Look,
Speaker 2: there's no effect. That just hidn't like move his head
Speaker 2: back and forth all the time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was smart, I think. And that's that
Speaker 3: kind of because if he had all these powers already,
Speaker 3: of course you'd know you were an alien, right yeah, right, yeah, right.
Speaker 7: He knows he's different, he just doesn't know exactly how
Speaker 7: different he's, yeah, or why, so he just kind of doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a mystery to him constantly.
Speaker 2: It's interesting too, I guess we're talking about it. We're
Speaker 2: talking about the show. A lot of the characters are
Speaker 2: in place here that we're going to live with for
Speaker 2: the first Maybe Line will be in the exception because
Speaker 2: we only get him in the beginning there, but like
Speaker 2: none of this, yeah, none of the like trappings of
Speaker 2: it are here yet again stuff highlight like they haven't
Speaker 2: built all the sets. We're not in a hospital once
Speaker 2: an episode that you know, like you know, it's a
Speaker 2: successful show, And it's telling that it's a success because
Speaker 2: maybe these characters were ready to go from from minute one,
Speaker 2: you know, and then the rest of it kind of
Speaker 2: kind of came't with it, but it's telling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's we joke about the lack of continuity,
Speaker 3: but it's not like Dirou. They just kind of tighten
Speaker 3: the screws a little bit on everything, kind of gave
Speaker 3: it a nice finessa second pass, and nothing really contradicts
Speaker 3: anything they you forward until they get really late and
Speaker 3: getting red counting and stuff. But these characters, you're right, man,
Speaker 3: as we see him here, they pretty much are the
Speaker 3: characters we see for the first few seasons of the show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was was I the only one who's like
Speaker 6: I remember when Lana was like lovely and tall.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely for you the only No, you were not
Speaker 2: the only one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Season one Lot is my favorite Lona.
Speaker 8: She's not raging psychobath and.
Speaker 3: She's not like accusing people of lies and secrets and
Speaker 3: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And she doesn't know Clark very well yet exactly.
Speaker 3: It's a good call. The talking to the parents of
Speaker 3: the grave reminded me of Batman mask of the phantasm.
Speaker 3: Anybody else, Ye, absolute.
Speaker 1: Episode.
Speaker 3: I haven't listened to that first episode in a long time.
Speaker 3: So you guys, ever, this is a side note. You
Speaker 3: guys are listeners, you guys are fans, you guys are
Speaker 3: my friends. Now do you ever like re listen to
Speaker 3: episodes of the podcast? I mean, how big of the
Speaker 3: fans are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, because I do?
Speaker 5: Sometimes, dude, the podcast would Sometimes the podcast would make
Speaker 5: my really long, like my road trips, like when I
Speaker 5: have to go and teach out in Irvine, going out there,
Speaker 5: listening to the podcast would like make it so much
Speaker 5: less boring and fun, Like I'd be like, I'll just
Speaker 5: listen to you guys geeking out about small hills drive
Speaker 5: two hours.
Speaker 3: You have re listenability, people, You're here to hear first.
Speaker 8: No, I love listening to it on my runs. And
Speaker 8: I also feel like Smallville.
Speaker 6: Like not a lot of people I don't know in
Speaker 6: the general populace of Los Angeles like like Smallville.
Speaker 8: So it's like such a thing. It's right here right now,
Speaker 8: the circles I run in.
Speaker 6: But I just love having like a little like small Behaven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say it does seem to especially like
Speaker 2: around people our age. It seems to be the one
Speaker 2: like geek thing that you might mention that goes like, oh,
Speaker 2: I remember that show because it was a thing for
Speaker 2: a second. I might have watched like season two or three.
Speaker 3: They remember like certain things that they were around because
Speaker 3: the billboards, I mean like it was main Street exactly
Speaker 3: a second, and the.
Speaker 5: Whole that whole like aspect of it being like our
Speaker 5: age group. So specifically, it's like that didn't fully hit
Speaker 5: me until I was a teacher. And when I was
Speaker 5: teaching the kids who are now are how how we were,
Speaker 5: we were watching Small Villa and I would bring this
Speaker 5: up all the time, you know, like and like I'd
Speaker 5: sneak it into like, you know, whatever I was teaching,
Speaker 5: Like I'm teaching Romeo and Juliet, and I showed them
Speaker 5: like a Clark and lawna scene.
Speaker 2: Was like.
Speaker 5: But they didn't know what it was at all, and
Speaker 5: and I was like, you guys have never heard of this.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's your homework.
Speaker 5: Forget like regularly forget that you don't know you.
Speaker 2: Know how to read miles in golf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I think ultimately the pilot, I
Speaker 3: mean it's it's hard to talk about that without talking
Speaker 3: about just the show in general and like all that.
Speaker 3: So they it all kind of mels there because it
Speaker 3: all started here. If this was a hey, this could
Speaker 3: have gone the way of Acklaman or Wonder Woman right
Speaker 3: or you know, Birds of Prey. I mean, it fizzled out.
Speaker 2: We went to series.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, like I think we've said it in many ways
Speaker 3: around here, I think the key to novel was the
Speaker 3: characters and the casting and when when written correctly, when
Speaker 3: when those I mean that goes for any thing, right, writing,
Speaker 3: casting right. But the foundation here is extremely solid and
Speaker 3: all starts here.
Speaker 1: I think if I.
Speaker 6: Could add, I think the and yeah, if it's good writing,
Speaker 6: it'll be good. But I think but I think what
Speaker 6: was so special and why this worked is because they
Speaker 6: were the stars aligned and they struck that balance of
Speaker 6: incorporating enough of what we already knew, whether you be
Speaker 6: like a big Superman fan or even like someone who
Speaker 6: is just kind of peripherally aware of Superman like I
Speaker 6: was when I started, or if someone was like going
Speaker 6: completely cold like Matt, they did enough where you could
Speaker 6: kind of like see I just think they incorporated the
Speaker 6: right mix of the lore with like new twists, and
Speaker 6: then also just leaving everything open for them to develop.
Speaker 8: I think that's why it worked.
Speaker 5: Pretty much kind of echoing what you guys have said.
Speaker 5: The it's just such a solid foundation. It really starts
Speaker 5: us off in kind of like the perfect place for
Speaker 5: like Victoria mentioned, like there's can be people coming at
Speaker 5: it like you guys who like have known Superman and
Speaker 5: you can see like, oh, this is so cool, how
Speaker 5: this twist is different on the mythology, and you can
Speaker 5: come at at that point or you can be someone
Speaker 5: like me who knows nothing coming into it. And then
Speaker 5: and and it doesn't lose either viewer, which is really
Speaker 5: interesting to me, Like it somehow strikes that perfect balance
Speaker 5: of like the emotional realism. You know, there's such a
Speaker 5: difference between realism and emotional realism. But the emotional realism
Speaker 5: that they strike that can draw kind of any audience in,
Speaker 5: whether they're into Superman or whether they're not at all, right,
Speaker 5: like it can draw anyone in. So they strike that
Speaker 5: balance of that and the fantasy and the magic of
Speaker 5: Superman and now rewatching it all these years later as
Speaker 5: a massive Superman, and that balance is just so like
Speaker 5: beautifully struck, and it's just there and everything, like in
Speaker 5: the dialogue, like all the all the clever little egg
Speaker 5: nuggets they throw in there that now that you know,
Speaker 5: weren't anything to me back then, and that now means
Speaker 5: something visuals like you guys mentioned the Red Cape. It's
Speaker 5: just every everything about it strikes that balance really beautifully.
Speaker 5: And I feel like that's something that carries throughout like
Speaker 5: the first three seasons spectacularly, and you know, as we said,
Speaker 5: it drops in season four or whatever some people make,
Speaker 5: but it really strikes that balance really beautifully. And as
Speaker 5: Matt mentioned, it starts as an epic and then it
Speaker 5: ends as a WB romance and it and that's another
Speaker 5: that balance they strike really well.
Speaker 2: Which is really beautiful. I will also say too, like
Speaker 2: as a Superman fan, the moment of the Kent's Finding
Speaker 2: Finding Baby Park there like that. That is my favorite
Speaker 2: filmed version of that. It's just I really like the
Speaker 2: Leves and Clark pilot as like my version of the Origin.
Speaker 3: But that that is just so.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's perfect. A weird thing though, it's so
Speaker 2: cute too. Yeah, yeah, the casting was great.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did find it weird though, just like real quick
Speaker 2: they gave like they used electric guy really early. I
Speaker 2: remember thinking that as a kid like that, this is
Speaker 2: a weird one to just kind of throw away on
Speaker 2: the pilot here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I think it was just you know, it's probably just
Speaker 7: it was an easy one for them to do effects wise, right,
Speaker 7: so they just kind of made the quickest, easiest decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed.
Speaker 3: The guy that runs the auto shop, he goes on
Speaker 3: to play the dark Archer, Oliver's mentor and uh the
Speaker 3: Ciple in season nine.
Speaker 7: Just picking back on what everybody else is saying, this
Speaker 7: pilot is just like it's a great launch pad for
Speaker 7: the rest of the show. I mean, if this didn't work,
Speaker 7: we're not here doing.
Speaker 1: This right now.
Speaker 7: And it obviously did, because like the best part about
Speaker 7: the pilot is like it tells us everything we need
Speaker 7: to know about everybody involved in the show, and it
Speaker 7: and it hooks you from the end of the episode
Speaker 7: and we're looking forward to seeing what happens next for everybody,
Speaker 7: Like there's an actual like eagerness to find out what
Speaker 7: happens next after this pilot. And I think every pilot
Speaker 7: should do that, and all the good ones do it,
Speaker 7: and this is a perfect example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, random question for super nerds like us. We're all
Speaker 2: talking about the characters they're established on. Is there a
Speaker 2: character from later on the series that could have been
Speaker 2: introduced here and made it a better show?
Speaker 3: I have a thought.
Speaker 2: Open because I wanted to ask you this question. I
Speaker 2: didn't want to have to be blank as I did it,
Speaker 2: Like I would have loved to see hints of the Tessa,
Speaker 2: just throw a little little hints throughout the series, even
Speaker 2: even if we never saw her. If it was just like,
Speaker 2: you know, Dad's got his second family, like just something
Speaker 2: happy like that, just to give the feeling that, like
Speaker 2: when Lionel's not here, he might be scamming.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: I give season seven on the Craft recrunting. Season eight
Speaker 3: just invented someone who is the second in command of
Speaker 3: Luther Cormy. Yeah, exactly, that's good.
Speaker 5: Lu I do I do, Yeah, I do think that
Speaker 5: would have been cool. I mean I rewatched what was
Speaker 5: it lineage recently too, and there's that that, you know,
Speaker 5: that moment that I thought like, oh, okay, I know
Speaker 5: it wasn't planned, but it fits really well with the
Speaker 5: whole test thing where he's like, I loved your mother
Speaker 5: very deeply, but I was not a perfect husband.
Speaker 3: Well you know, speaking on line of like with John
Speaker 3: Glover and we're going back back around, but like he
Speaker 3: had a little bit in this episode, but like when
Speaker 3: he sees Lex's ball for the first time, like he's like,
Speaker 3: look of just disgust, Like, yep, that's your child for
Speaker 3: like the worst paron ever.
Speaker 2: So yeah, my child's not normal anymore.
Speaker 5: What would have interesting thought on that question, on that
Speaker 5: thought too, is like what what would have the like,
Speaker 5: what would have Lex's you know whole arc then if
Speaker 5: it had just been the original plan that he would
Speaker 5: just make a few guest appearances and he would just
Speaker 5: be like a bad dad, but like that's pretty much it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be very episodic and very like when
Speaker 3: when we need to give Lex some drama here. We'll
Speaker 3: call John Glover in for something, right. I mean, he
Speaker 3: became the big bat of the show for a couple
Speaker 3: of seasons. That was essential.
Speaker 2: So Lex might have had to become the villain sooner.
Speaker 3: Maybe they could have wrapped the show up in a
Speaker 3: more timely manner.
Speaker 6: But that's not their fault though.
Speaker 5: That was. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think victim of their own success. Victoria. Yeah,
Speaker 3: right right, Matt. To answer your question, Kenny Braverman would
Speaker 3: have been a good one to add in the pilot
Speaker 3: because that's a character he's in the comic books. He
Speaker 3: wasn't small at the time. Did he have electric powers less?
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted you to know these things. He
Speaker 3: didn't know. He was a character that was a high
Speaker 3: school with him. He had some kind of I think
Speaker 3: electric powers of some kind.
Speaker 8: I thought it was like, no, that was Adam Brody. Well,
Speaker 8: then please do keep up the lens.
Speaker 3: Was he in the in the in this uh Lesion
Speaker 3: Superheroes episode of the Superman the animated series? Anyway, look
Speaker 3: it up people who are listening. But I think that's
Speaker 3: always somebody like, oh, they're definitely gonna use this guy
Speaker 3: because he was in the site, you know, like characters
Speaker 3: in high school. With Clark, it's like Wana Pete and
Speaker 3: like this guy, you know, he just never showed up
Speaker 3: in small but which was shocking me. But anyway, they
Speaker 3: could have had a more like established like young Superman
Speaker 3: villain for the pilot. Maybe that's some change I would make,
Speaker 3: make the villain less generic lightning guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, or maybe if like maybe maybe you don't introduce
Speaker 6: someone in because I'm not as up on my Superman lore,
Speaker 6: but maybe you made Whitney a meteor.
Speaker 3: Freak, you see, but they made everybody meteor freak by
Speaker 3: the end. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think the pilot is great, But a question was
Speaker 6: posed to me, and I'm riffing.
Speaker 5: You guys that we would be remiss not to mention
Speaker 5: that that everything is actually not the first pop sung
Speaker 5: in the show. Though, come to think of it, it's
Speaker 5: the calling right when Lex's with LEXI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stop terrible car music. Yeah, it's his seduction music.
Speaker 5: And then he has Clark and on the commentary, Alan
Speaker 5: Miles are like laughing about it being like a meet cute,
Speaker 5: only it's meat violin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they kiss the first thing they do
Speaker 2: to each other is kids.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know.
Speaker 6: I saw that, and I was like the mount to
Speaker 6: Mount that launched a thousand ships.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, Well there was a I just watched an
Speaker 5: interview with all the cast like a recent con and
Speaker 5: Tom was saying that Michael kept making jokes the whole
Speaker 5: time and he couldn't take it seriously because he was
Speaker 5: making jokes about them kissing me.
Speaker 2: Not surprising, but it's also interesting, like they start literally
Speaker 2: that close and then become super villains.
Speaker 3: So I know it's very analysis. Some metrics right there.
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Speaker 3: All right, well, I hope you all enjoyed our discussion
Speaker 3: of pilot for the pilot, I never really know how
Speaker 3: to say it out loud. I'm talking about the pilot
Speaker 3: of Smallville. Obviously it's the pilot, but you know it's
Speaker 3: titled as pilot, and every other episode I say the
Speaker 3: title of I don't say the in front of it.
Speaker 3: But be that as it may. Talking about how much
Speaker 3: it established right lance talking about it the promise of
Speaker 3: the premise, I think the hook that this show had.
Speaker 3: Look around at these other shows that were coming out
Speaker 3: around the same time as Smallville, or meant to come
Speaker 3: out around the same time as Smallville. Birds of Prey
Speaker 3: has a really good pilot, right, Aquamand has a really
Speaker 3: good pilot. One of those shows got cut short by
Speaker 3: half a season. That's all he got Birds of Prey,
Speaker 3: and the other show didn't even make it to air.
Speaker 3: All that exists of the Akaman show is this pilot.
Speaker 3: The hook that this show had that those two didn't have.
Speaker 3: For example, were this setup of the greatest hero and
Speaker 3: the greatest villain or the greatest of friends when their
Speaker 3: story start, right, what a compelling story that is, right?
Speaker 3: You have arch nemesies to end all arch neimesses and
Speaker 3: they're friends here, and that is super compelling. And without
Speaker 3: that element, Smallville doesn't work. So we had a good
Speaker 3: time joking about the freak of the week and things
Speaker 3: like that. But Smallville's pilot did its job. It sold
Speaker 3: us on these characters and these situations. And again the
Speaker 3: casting lightning in a bottle the acting spot on like
Speaker 3: you fall in love with and understand who these characters
Speaker 3: are in this episode and it keeps you locked in,
Speaker 3: hopefully for ten years. Maybe not all of us made
Speaker 3: it all the way, but this is where the journey started.
Speaker 3: And I would encourage people not to sleep on the pilot,
Speaker 3: despite me saying, don't overrate the pilot and get it
Speaker 3: three roses. It's a really good episode. It's a really
Speaker 3: good pilot, and it's why we are all here today.
Speaker 3: And as I'm doing in our top ten episodes, I
Speaker 3: do want to shout out the pop music. We talked
Speaker 3: a little bit about the pop music and our conversations,
Speaker 3: but let me say it here again. Everything becomes the
Speaker 3: love theme of season one of Smallville. Lifehouse ended up
Speaker 3: having multiple songs on Smallville. Always exciting when a group
Speaker 3: had more than one song on Smallvel that helps you know,
Speaker 3: cement them as part of the true soundtrack of the
Speaker 3: show and the feel of the show. But they would
Speaker 3: go on to have more than just one song. But
Speaker 3: everything is a rare song that got played more than
Speaker 3: once as well on Smallville, which helps cement it so
Speaker 3: very nostalgic and a banger and we are two for
Speaker 3: two with a plus popular music in our episodes, and
Speaker 3: you might ask yourself, Zach, what about Remy Zero? What
Speaker 3: about to Save Me? Well, Hey, that song's on in
Speaker 3: this episode because there are no opening credits because in
Speaker 3: the Smallville pilot, there's no opening credits, no theme song,
Speaker 3: no Remy Zero, no save Me. So there you have it.
Speaker 3: So again, I hope you all enjoyed our conversation. Stay
Speaker 3: tuned next week to find out which episode is the
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