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Speaker 5: Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's
Speaker 5: time for our final interview another edition of the Flat
Speaker 5: Earth Files podcast. I'm your host, as always, George Hobbes.
Speaker 5: Now we're recording. It's Tuesday afternoon, August nineteenth, twenty twenty
Speaker 5: five here in the mid Atlantic region. It is seventy
Speaker 5: two degrees. It's very unusual summer weather, but we're not complaining.
Speaker 5: It's great. As we mentioned, this is our final interview
Speaker 5: for the podcast. Now listen if things slow down in
Speaker 5: the future, and may we revisit it. Sure, but our
Speaker 5: plans are bigger, better things to come serving our Lord
Speaker 5: and Savior Jesus Christ. And you know you just have
Speaker 5: to follow God word and when he tells you to
Speaker 5: do something, you better listen. But let's bring on today's
Speaker 5: guest from the great state of Tennessee. Honored to have
Speaker 5: on today's show, Chris. Chris, how are you, sir?
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm doing great. Thank you, George, and the honor
Speaker 1: is mine. I'm a little jealous you said seventy two
Speaker 1: when you said that. I had to look it up.
Speaker 1: It's ninety five here right now, and it says that
Speaker 1: it feels like it's one hundred outside. So I'm glad
Speaker 1: to be inside talking with you today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was rather warm, but Sunday night storms rolled
Speaker 5: in and the last two days hasn't even broke eighty
Speaker 5: so we're blessed. But summer's not over. I'm sure it'll
Speaker 5: catch back up to us. Let's get in today's interview
Speaker 5: and if you would please take a few minutes and
Speaker 5: introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. The first thing I want to do is
Speaker 1: because I'm bad forgetful, and I think I would do
Speaker 1: a disservice to all the listeners if I just didn't
Speaker 1: take a moment to say thank you for this platform
Speaker 1: that you created, getting the truth out there, and more
Speaker 1: soul than that, sharing the love of Jesus Christ and
Speaker 1: what that means to you and to all of humanity.
Speaker 1: So to hear that I'm going to be the final
Speaker 1: interview as for right now. Extremely humbled and honored by that.
Speaker 1: I hope I can do justice to all the great
Speaker 1: interviewers that if you that you've had on the show.
Speaker 1: But before I introduced me, I want to say thank you,
Speaker 1: heartfelt thank you to you and what you've meant and
Speaker 1: the podcast has meant, and the guests have meant to
Speaker 1: me and my family and my brothers and sisters in
Speaker 1: Christ who I can share this with. It truly has
Speaker 1: been a blessing.
Speaker 5: So thank you for that, Jorge A man, thank you
Speaker 5: so much. I'm very humbled for those kind of words
Speaker 5: and all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's all. It's about sharing the good news,
Speaker 1: and that's what I hope to be able to do
Speaker 1: with you here today. I love to talk about the Bible.
Speaker 1: I love to talk about Jesus, and then you know,
Speaker 1: next to that is the things that I don't understand
Speaker 1: fully I want to know more. But to tell you
Speaker 1: a little bit about myself, my name is Chris Barrett.
Speaker 1: I am from Dover, Tennessee. I am forty nine years old.
Speaker 1: I am the father of three, two sons and a daughter.
Speaker 1: Both are all three adults now. I've been married to
Speaker 1: my bride for almost thirty years now. I am a
Speaker 1: former small business owner, have recently sold my business, so
Speaker 1: I have a little bit more free time on my
Speaker 1: hands now to be into the Word of God and
Speaker 1: to share. I have no excuses anymore, so I'm excited
Speaker 1: for what the future is going to hold for me
Speaker 1: and my family. In that aspect of things. Let's see
Speaker 1: the first and foremost, I'm a Christian, as the Bible says,
Speaker 1: added to the Lord's Church about thirty six years ago.
Speaker 1: I have been going to worship really my whole life.
Speaker 1: There was a period probably in my mid twenties where
Speaker 1: I straight away probably wasn't as faithful as I felt
Speaker 1: like I needed to be, but never detached myself from
Speaker 1: the Word. When I say unfaithful, I'm referencing maybe making
Speaker 1: excuses for not going to church or for not putting
Speaker 1: God first, just letting those worldly things get in the way.
Speaker 1: But thankfully I had a strong support system here at
Speaker 1: home and got me on the right track. I've been
Speaker 1: blessed with tremendous parents who have been married. Now for
Speaker 1: what fifty one fifty two years. It's this day in time.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. And I was blessed with good, godly grandparents
Speaker 1: who you know, helped steer me in the right direction.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I want to say this as well,
Speaker 1: because lot of times when I listen to your guests,
Speaker 1: and I even even the ones that I may not
Speaker 1: necessarily agree with on a lot of things when it
Speaker 1: comes to our beliefs and scripture and things, I've often
Speaker 1: wondered that you know where their background is and things,
Speaker 1: and those guests challenge me because they make me dive
Speaker 1: back into the word and look at things. And I think,
Speaker 1: I think that discussion is always great. And that's another
Speaker 1: compliment to you, that that you always let people lay
Speaker 1: out their beliefs and then it's up to the listener
Speaker 1: to go and you know, discern that information for themselves.
Speaker 1: So I come from it from a Christian background. I
Speaker 1: was born and raised and have always went to the
Speaker 1: churches of Christ. The churches of Christ do not do
Speaker 1: not advertise themselves as a denomination. Each one is individually ran.
Speaker 1: If it's if it's the way the Bible set up
Speaker 1: is by you know, a group of men that we
Speaker 1: call elders. There's also deacons that serves. So there's been
Speaker 1: guests that you've had on there a lot of times
Speaker 1: that I can't never really peg where they're coming from.
Speaker 1: And I just want to put that out there that
Speaker 1: I am a Christian, this is my background, this is
Speaker 1: my influence. A lot of those things have been challenged
Speaker 1: as I've got older and understand scripture. We don't have
Speaker 1: a creed or a code we go by. We have
Speaker 1: the Bible. So that's that's what I try to relay
Speaker 1: in my thoughts and teachings. And I hope I do
Speaker 1: a good job with that today.
Speaker 5: Well done, well done, And yeah, that's very important. And
Speaker 5: I get a lot of critical emails saying you shouldn't
Speaker 5: allow people to say this on your podcast number one.
Speaker 5: On my final podcast, which is the one that'll drop
Speaker 5: after this, I am going to allow out a few
Speaker 5: of my beliefs what I believe. But I think just
Speaker 5: stifling a conversation is a problematic. Whereas like I'm in
Speaker 5: seminary and you know, you're sitting listening to professors and
Speaker 5: you even don't agree with some of the things they say,
Speaker 5: and it's a perception issue and when we bring these
Speaker 5: topics up. It's exactly what you said, Chris. It forces
Speaker 5: people to go back into the Bible, and that's what
Speaker 5: it should be about. People say, what that doesn't make
Speaker 5: sense to me. So what do they do? They go
Speaker 5: back and they pick up the Bible and maybe they
Speaker 5: reread something, or at least it gives them a different
Speaker 5: perspective on something. But what we're working on right now,
Speaker 5: let me see if I can find this a book
Speaker 5: called Exploring Our Hebraic Heritage by Marvin Wilson. It lays
Speaker 5: out the importance. I think obviously the Gospel of Jesus
Speaker 5: is first and foremost right, but I think a lot
Speaker 5: of people don't understand that most of the New Testament
Speaker 5: was written on the basis of the Old Testament. Like
Speaker 5: when Jesus is on the cross and he's crying out
Speaker 5: to God, that is literally what is written verbatim inn
Speaker 5: Psalm twenty two. I think this conversation is important for
Speaker 5: people to number one, maybe they've never even heard of it.
Speaker 5: And number two, again, it forces them to go back
Speaker 5: and to fortify their beliefs because I think a lot
Speaker 5: of the things people hear and believe they hear maybe
Speaker 5: on YouTube channel or or in a sub stack and
Speaker 5: instead of actually, and I'm not picking any particular individual,
Speaker 5: I think we're influenced by others too easily. I think
Speaker 5: it's solid for us to get back into the word
Speaker 5: and make these decisions and reinforce our beliefs that way.
Speaker 5: If you know what I mean, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Am in brother, I'll definitely echo that. It's when you
Speaker 1: look at the Bible as a whole, the Bible, as
Speaker 1: most people know what. You go to a bookstore and
Speaker 1: pick up a copy of the Holy Scriptures. You've got
Speaker 1: sixty six books or letters in there, written by maybe
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty authors, depending on what you know,
Speaker 1: who you believe wrote. What the the fact that it
Speaker 1: all blends perfectly together. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: I wanted to make mention because I was older before
Speaker 1: I really realized. I think a lot of people you'll say, well,
Speaker 1: I picked it up and I read it front to back.
Speaker 1: And I've heard you have other guests on there that say,
Speaker 1: you know, they have a chronological Bible. But the first
Speaker 1: thing that I would tell the reader if somebody asked
Speaker 1: me about the Bible, what do I need to know
Speaker 1: before I pick it up and read it is that
Speaker 1: the Bible basically tells three things. And this is a
Speaker 1: very broad broad view of it. But it tells the
Speaker 1: story of somebody's coming. Then it tells the story of hey,
Speaker 1: somebody's here, and then it tells the story of hey,
Speaker 1: somebody's coming back. And who is that person that it's
Speaker 1: alluding to, Well, it's Jesus, you know, in every case.
Speaker 1: And when they sit down and read the Bible, if
Speaker 1: you don't know, if you don't know history, I always
Speaker 1: tell people start with and this is again my opinion,
Speaker 1: start with the New Testament, start with the Gospels, learn
Speaker 1: about Jesus, and then go back to the beginning. In
Speaker 1: the beginning, God created and that word God, and I
Speaker 1: don't have this in front of him going off memory,
Speaker 1: but I believe it's elohem and it's God plural, so
Speaker 1: somebody was there with him. I personally believe it was.
Speaker 1: It was the son Jesus. And you get on down
Speaker 1: into Genesis where it says, let us make man. I
Speaker 1: don't know how old I was before I realized, you know,
Speaker 1: when we get into this topic of what the earth is?
Speaker 1: You know, I had read over that so much. I
Speaker 1: had read over the word us until somebody pointed that
Speaker 1: out to me, probably in my teenage years. I was
Speaker 1: blown away by it because I was thinking God's singular,
Speaker 1: not God plural, and so knowing that and then knowing
Speaker 1: to or letting the average reader know that the Bible
Speaker 1: is not written in chronological order. It's not a book
Speaker 1: that just picks up and you know, the beginning obviously
Speaker 1: actually flows a little bit, but then what do you
Speaker 1: do with the Book of Job And so I just
Speaker 1: I think it's a fascinating and I hate to use
Speaker 1: the word story, but I think it's a fascinating story
Speaker 1: to the average reader. But to the believers, it's a
Speaker 1: book of promises, a book of hope, and a book
Speaker 1: of just unconditional love. And that's what I would hope
Speaker 1: that people that are maybe new to the scriptures would
Speaker 1: take and understand as they begin to open the pages
Speaker 1: and really dive in it, because it's it is a
Speaker 1: book that keeps giving. I feel like that I have
Speaker 1: read it fairly consistent for forty nine years. And if
Speaker 1: you would have told me a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: that I would have be challenged on something like the
Speaker 1: topic we're going to talk about today. I would thought
Speaker 1: I've already known everything there is to know about that subject,
Speaker 1: and then not through this podcast, through my own studies
Speaker 1: that led me to this podcast, and I know we'll
Speaker 1: get to that store here shortly. But I soon realized
Speaker 1: that something's not adding up. And that's to me, that's
Speaker 1: the beauty of the scriptures. There's always something there. The
Speaker 1: scripture is its own best commentary. So when you sit
Speaker 1: down and go to read it, the first thing I
Speaker 1: would say to is pray that God gives you an understanding,
Speaker 1: and then don't hurry through it. Take your time. If
Speaker 1: you don't know what something is, have a concordance. That
Speaker 1: is a very handy tool to have, and don't be
Speaker 1: afraid to ask, to ask questions and understand understand that
Speaker 1: you may get a variety of opinions. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I believe it's in the Book of Acts
Speaker 1: where it says that those in Bria were more noble
Speaker 1: than those in Thessalonaika because they search the scriptures daily.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a good example for us to
Speaker 1: keep our head in the book and search the scriptures
Speaker 1: daily because there's always something to be revealed on Yeah.
Speaker 5: Amen, and you hit the nail on the head. There's
Speaker 5: I've had professors argue that the Bible should be read
Speaker 5: in canonical order. I've heard some say it's just started
Speaker 5: the Gospels and then work your way back and then
Speaker 5: Another important note a lot of people don't understand is
Speaker 5: you're correct that the Bible wasn't written in you know,
Speaker 5: Thessalonians is first, and second Thessaloni or first for sure.
Speaker 5: First Thessalonians is the oldest book of the New Testament.
Speaker 5: The Gospel Matthew, Mark and Luke and then John was
Speaker 5: actually written after that, so you know, it's obviously put
Speaker 5: in an order for a certain reason. Here's the Gospels,
Speaker 5: Acts creates the Church, and then Paul's letters and then
Speaker 5: the pastoral letters things of that nature there, and then
Speaker 5: of course Revelation, which kind of closes closes out everything.
Speaker 5: The one thing I've learned going back to school is
Speaker 5: that you're not going to get answers to the hard questions,
Speaker 5: but what it teaches you. It teaches you how to read,
Speaker 5: how important journaling is, how to take every single word,
Speaker 5: every single verse, and to break it down understanding who
Speaker 5: was the intended audience, what was the intended audience. What
Speaker 5: were they going through at that time? Why was Paul
Speaker 5: writing the letters? And it Once you break down those things,
Speaker 5: then you can kind of better understand where all of
Speaker 5: this is coming from. And like even me before I
Speaker 5: went deep back into the Bible, when you started, we
Speaker 5: look out into the world and we see, man, some
Speaker 5: of our churches around here have the gay Pride flags
Speaker 5: hanging from them. And I asked my pastor, I'm like,
Speaker 5: were things really worse back then? And then you actually
Speaker 5: read how things were actually worse back then. But it's
Speaker 5: important to you know, once you understand the gospel. I
Speaker 5: think it's great to read it in kind of coal order,
Speaker 5: but journaling is something that's changed every time I read,
Speaker 5: I write, and I break down those things, and that
Speaker 5: has helped me tremendously.
Speaker 1: So there's a perfect and you hit the nail on
Speaker 1: the head and this is this is a lot of
Speaker 1: what I go back to. The hard questions I can
Speaker 1: remember and this is kind of what led me on
Speaker 1: my journey because it made an impact on my life.
Speaker 1: When I was in my teenage years. I don't remember
Speaker 1: the question that I asked the preacher at our congregation
Speaker 1: at the time but I have been blessed. I feel
Speaker 1: like to be a student under some of some of
Speaker 1: the best gospel preachers that I that I have heard.
Speaker 1: They they know the word inside and out. And but
Speaker 1: but sadly, and you hit the nail on the head
Speaker 1: the hard questions. What I'm getting around to is this,
Speaker 1: I can remember asking a question of my preacher, and
Speaker 1: I don't all these years later, I still don't remember
Speaker 1: the question I ask him, but I remember the answer.
Speaker 1: And I have sadly heard this answer several times in
Speaker 1: my life when it comes to these hard questions, and
Speaker 1: the answer will always go something like this, Well, that's
Speaker 1: not really beneficial to the cause or to the Gospel
Speaker 1: of Christ. So let's spend more time teaching salvation, teaching this,
Speaker 1: teaching that, and let's not focus so much on the other.
Speaker 1: And so you take a guy like me two or
Speaker 1: three years ago, I would have thought, I can see
Speaker 1: their point. Salvation is obviously number one, and so I
Speaker 1: would have had that mindset. But I can never I
Speaker 1: can question beliefs and maybe question why people do what
Speaker 1: they do. I cannot question sincerity. I don't know their heart.
Speaker 1: I don't know you know. And so where I'm going
Speaker 1: with this is I could have easily been in that
Speaker 1: mindset and one of my very best friends basically, when
Speaker 1: I tried to approach him with this topic of what
Speaker 1: the earth really looks like biblical earth, I got basically
Speaker 1: the same response with a little bit different answer. But
Speaker 1: I have heard through this podcast how many people through
Speaker 1: you have been brought to Christ through the means of creation.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've heard people say, well, the two
Speaker 1: aren't linked, and you've been adamant that it's linked. And
Speaker 1: forgive me, I don't. You may can look this up,
Speaker 1: you may not. I didn't know if I was going
Speaker 1: to give you anything to include in the podcast. But
Speaker 1: one of the and I hope nobody gets offended that
Speaker 1: I'm going to use you know, these these sources. But
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've subscribed to as far
Speaker 1: as podcast and listening to, is something that it's a
Speaker 1: podcast that comes out of Texas. It's a guy by
Speaker 1: the name of Willis McAdams and he's from Radically Christian
Speaker 1: And I printed this off. I'm still in ink pen
Speaker 1: and paper and printed off guy. I printed this off
Speaker 1: February eighteenth of twenty twenty five. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is when it come out, but this was
Speaker 1: part two in the Salvation series, and it was how
Speaker 1: salvation and creation are linked together. If you don't understand
Speaker 1: the story of creation, you can't get to salvation. And
Speaker 1: it was just like it's like working a puzzle and
Speaker 1: seeing all the pieces come together. I had heard you
Speaker 1: say numerous times that people were led to Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: through the podcast and getting interested in, Hey, we've been
Speaker 1: lied to about where we live. What it really looks like.
Speaker 1: I'm going to dive into scripture. I'm going to learn
Speaker 1: to try a scripture more than man. And guess what
Speaker 1: that led me to Jesus Christ. And that generic answer
Speaker 1: that I got thirty something years ago, Well, it's not
Speaker 1: really worth diving into that question because there's more other things.
Speaker 1: You know, then I wouldn't have had the well I
Speaker 1: had too much respect just to say and maybe I
Speaker 1: was a little scared to just to say, hey, that's
Speaker 1: a cop out. And you know, to today, if you
Speaker 1: can't if you can't approach a question with an open mind,
Speaker 1: whether you think it's the most silly question ever heard,
Speaker 1: you have a problem.
Speaker 5: You know, So, hey, man, can I read a paragraph
Speaker 5: real quick that that really hits on the head of
Speaker 5: what you were just talking about. Autely from the book
Speaker 5: I just mentioned, it says Christians frequently have a greatly
Speaker 5: diminished and shallow picture of God. This is largely due
Speaker 5: to their unfamiliar, unfamiliiliarity, sorry, with the Old Testament, but
Speaker 5: it's also a result of how many Christians come to
Speaker 5: and then are nurtured in the Christian faith. So their
Speaker 5: starting point is usually the teachings of Jesus and Paul. Right,
Speaker 5: makes sense. While these major figures of the New Testament
Speaker 5: were Jews and thus had their teachings lordly grounded in Judaism,
Speaker 5: Christians often missed the rich context of the scriptures out
Speaker 5: of which their teachings emerge. So, for example, every word
Speaker 5: in the Lord's Prayer spoken by Jesus to his disciples
Speaker 5: have an Old Testament origin.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, it's uh, and that's it's it's here here again,
Speaker 1: get me back on track if you need to. But
Speaker 1: just this weekend, or this past weekend, rather, we were
Speaker 1: we were with some friends and wrestling was on TV,
Speaker 1: and I haven't watched wrestling in forever, but it was
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, uh of the ww or whatever that is.
Speaker 1: And it showed them all standing together reciting the Lord's prayer,
Speaker 1: because if anybody's been around any kind of religion, you
Speaker 1: pretty much know the Lord's Prayer. And then within ten
Speaker 1: seconds it's kind of like the Pride flag out in
Speaker 1: front of the church you mentioned earlier. Ten seconds of
Speaker 1: saying amen, they're having to bleep out cuss words. They're
Speaker 1: having to do this. There's a Satanic song playing in
Speaker 1: the back. It just it's it's stuff like and like
Speaker 1: I said, I know I'm chasing rabbits here, but stuff
Speaker 1: like that attracts the young viewer and go, Okay, I
Speaker 1: can be in God because they are. And I can
Speaker 1: still run around in my underwear and act like an idiot,
Speaker 1: cuss and swear and do all this stuff on TV
Speaker 1: and that's okay because I'm putting God in it. Well,
Speaker 1: I would say you're serving the wrong serving the wrong
Speaker 1: God there, And like I said, I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: get off on that, but and you hit the nail
Speaker 1: on the head earlier too. With the books of the
Speaker 1: Bible and who they were written to. I have been
Speaker 1: blessed to be around solid elders in my life, and good,
Speaker 1: good teachers of the Gospel. And if there's one thing
Speaker 1: they always preach its context. Where is the context of
Speaker 1: the scriptures coming from? Like you said, who is the audience?
Speaker 1: What's it about? You just can't plug and place scriptures
Speaker 1: into your And I'm guilty of this too, you know,
Speaker 1: plug and play scripture into my everyday life and make
Speaker 1: it fit neat because it was it was written to
Speaker 1: a certain people at a certain time, but about a
Speaker 1: certain thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Yep, people are and I'm guilty of it. Two, we
Speaker 5: all are. We picked that verse out that supports, you know,
Speaker 5: our things. But the words that challenge the way we live,
Speaker 5: you know, we kind of we don't focus on those.
Speaker 5: It's very important to take it all in context and
Speaker 5: as a whole. So yeah, great points on all of it,
Speaker 5: one hundred percent. So I would ask you, at what
Speaker 5: point in your life did you start to notice that
Speaker 5: the world as it's presented to us was not as
Speaker 5: it seems.
Speaker 1: If a little bit of my background here again, at
Speaker 1: age nineteen, my parents trusted me with the family business.
Speaker 1: I was married, I had my first child on the way,
Speaker 1: and so from the age of nineteen until about the
Speaker 1: age of forty seven, I guess a workday for me
Speaker 1: was eleven to thirteen hours. Just run wide open, provide
Speaker 1: for your family. You know, do the ball games, go
Speaker 1: to church, go to the plays, go to the dance recitals.
Speaker 1: And one of my greatest regrets, this has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with anything, but it may resonate with somebody. One
Speaker 1: of my greatest regrets as a parent was thinking that
Speaker 1: I needed to work all the time to make money
Speaker 1: and I would just send my wife and kids on
Speaker 1: cation with family. One of the most precious things we
Speaker 1: have in this life is time and how we spend
Speaker 1: our time. And in my early twenties and even maybe
Speaker 1: into my early thirties, I was consumed with work and
Speaker 1: money and those work is a good thing. The Bible
Speaker 1: talks about that. Money is a good thing, and the
Speaker 1: Bible talks about that, but it also gives a lot
Speaker 1: of warnings when it comes to that. So I say
Speaker 1: all that to say this. It wasn't until I got
Speaker 1: intentional about becoming a better steward of what God has
Speaker 1: blessed me with time and money. Into my thirties, I
Speaker 1: was still working like crazy and plugging church in there.
Speaker 1: But it was honestly, I had got a question about
Speaker 1: when I thought the world may be lying to I mean,
Speaker 1: this may be a good time to go into this,
Speaker 1: but I'm one of the Wednesday Night teachers in our
Speaker 1: Bible class. You mentioned this in another Bible class. Why
Speaker 1: don't we take topics like you know, Biblical Earth or
Speaker 1: topics you know that are outside the norm of what
Speaker 1: we teach typically inside the walls of the of the
Speaker 1: churches of Christ. I won't say all of them, because
Speaker 1: each congregation does its on thing but tries to abide
Speaker 1: by biblical principles. But inside the ones I have been to,
Speaker 1: Sundays are devoted to in the worship service. Typically there's
Speaker 1: one in the morning, one in the evening. It's devoted
Speaker 1: to teaching Jesus and trying to bring people closer together.
Speaker 1: Now we have Bible classes where we may learn about
Speaker 1: major profits, minor profets, pause letter, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: Wednesday Nights seem to be more of a typical We
Speaker 1: could study books the Bible, we could take it a
Speaker 1: lot of different directions. So one of the Wednesday Night
Speaker 1: classes we decided to do a Q and A. Questions
Speaker 1: were submitted to the three or four teachers that we
Speaker 1: had and may actually just and two teachers at the time,
Speaker 1: and we kind of divided those amongst ourselfs. And what
Speaker 1: got me that this world may not be what we
Speaker 1: have been told. The question I got, and I think
Speaker 1: this was in the email, it was I was asked
Speaker 1: to address two things. And this may sound silly, but
Speaker 1: I go back to the teenage me asking that question
Speaker 1: and it just getting put off. So if somebody asked
Speaker 1: me a question, I'm going to do my due diligence
Speaker 1: to answer. And the question was do you believe or
Speaker 1: does scripture support Bigfoot or aliens? And you know, I
Speaker 1: told the other teacher in the class, I said, I've
Speaker 1: got that one. And other topics we discussed, you know,
Speaker 1: was suicide and ghosts and different phenomena we couldn't explain,
Speaker 1: you know, just whatever people had on their mind, and
Speaker 1: we tried to approach everything from what the scripture says.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I tried to be funny with it.
Speaker 1: My wife ordered me a bigfoot in an alien shirt
Speaker 1: and I wore it the church that night, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know, we're not prunes. We like to laugh,
Speaker 1: we like to have a good time, but at the
Speaker 1: same time we want to take God's words serious. So
Speaker 1: when my idea on Bigfoot has changed a little bit,
Speaker 1: especially after reading the Book of Enoch and come into
Speaker 1: a better understanding of it. But then going towards Aliens,
Speaker 1: I dove into scripture and it led me down many paths.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the class that night, here
Speaker 1: was where my stance was on Aliens. I said something
Speaker 1: to the effect of, after reading about the firmament and
Speaker 1: really realizing then that the earth that the Bible describes,
Speaker 1: in my mind it was a snow globe. I'm just
Speaker 1: just you know, that's in my mind. That's what I
Speaker 1: was reading, That's what I was picturing. That's what I was,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing, for lack of a better term. And
Speaker 1: then when you understand what the firmament is, and I
Speaker 1: understood that the firmament wasn't removed, that the that the
Speaker 1: windows of heaven were opened, and then it says the
Speaker 1: windows of heaven were closed. I come to the conclusion,
Speaker 1: and I told the class, I said, I can I
Speaker 1: say aliens exist. All I can say is I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about them. And how can I not be worried
Speaker 1: about them? Is because God put man on this earth
Speaker 1: to have dominion over it and is and as long
Speaker 1: as we're here, I think we're fine. I said, I
Speaker 1: don't think God ever intended from man to leave this
Speaker 1: place that we call earth. And I said, I just
Speaker 1: I and I think I think the class could sense that.
Speaker 1: You know that just kind of like now, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of hesitation. There's a lot of unknown in what
Speaker 1: I was saying. But I was, I was puzzled. I
Speaker 1: was confused. And so that's that's where it kind of
Speaker 1: led me to. And then as my eyes have been
Speaker 1: opened up a little bit more, I know. And of
Speaker 1: course these dates wouldn't have meant anything to me before George,
Speaker 1: but now, after diving into this for the last year
Speaker 1: and a half, two years here, I thought, and I
Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to a couple of
Speaker 1: people here too, real quick with this as I'm scrolling
Speaker 1: to get back to it. So that was a Wednesday
Speaker 1: night class and my brother in Christ, who's going to
Speaker 1: be listening to this when it drops. His name's Jason.
Speaker 1: He approached me after the class and he said, and
Speaker 1: I make it known to the class. I love questions.
Speaker 1: Hit me with stuff I like to. I get more
Speaker 1: focused when I've got, you know, honed in when I've
Speaker 1: got something to focus on. And he asked me, he said,
Speaker 1: do you mind if I send you something? And I said, man,
Speaker 1: I don't mind a bit. You know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what it was going to relate to, but he said,
Speaker 1: after your class the night, I got something I think
Speaker 1: you may be interested in. And so on April the
Speaker 1: eighteenth of twenty twenty four, this will tell you how
Speaker 1: long my journey's been going. He sent me episode one,
Speaker 1: Why the Lie, and I'm just going to read you
Speaker 1: his message. He said, this podcast is called flat Earth Files.
Speaker 1: You can find it on Spotify. I thank YouTube and Rumble.
Speaker 1: I listened to it on Spotify. This is the first episode.
Speaker 1: I can remember showing that to my wife and she
Speaker 1: just shaking her head and I said, okay, I've done
Speaker 1: what everybody does. I'm going to go immediately and debunk this.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I, of course, I'm coming fresh
Speaker 1: off of that idea of maybe we live in a
Speaker 1: snow globe. Idea.
Speaker 5: You haven't correlated the to at this point yet.
Speaker 1: I have not. The two things haven't come together. And
Speaker 1: so and this is something that you preach on all
Speaker 1: the time. Don't tell anybody to go to Google right off,
Speaker 1: right off the bat, Well, that's what I did. I
Speaker 1: didn't know who David Weiss was, flat Earth Dave or
Speaker 1: any of these guys. I just go Google flat Earth.
Speaker 1: I click on the first link and it wasn't the
Speaker 1: Flat Earth Society stuff. But and forgive me, because I
Speaker 1: don't listen to a lot of either one of those guys.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to either one of them. I just I
Speaker 1: usually do more of my studying through through podcasts and
Speaker 1: through reading and things like that. But the is it
Speaker 1: Professor Dave, the one that's just really arrogant and just talks. Yes.
Speaker 1: So I got through about fifteen or twenty minutes of
Speaker 1: this guy just belittling and just basically being rude to
Speaker 1: this other guy, and like, I didn't know whoither one
Speaker 1: of them was, and I thought, if they're trying that
Speaker 1: hard to silence this guy, you're just making me want
Speaker 1: to listen to him even more. And so then on
Speaker 1: April twenty, which would have been the Saturday, I was
Speaker 1: going to look at a duck blind up in Illinois,
Speaker 1: and I hit play and I sent him a message.
Speaker 1: The after the first three episodes, I said, I've got
Speaker 1: to admit, I'm three episodes deep and doing research. Pretty
Speaker 1: interesting stuff so far. And then he immediately responds back,
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to say this because it's a
Speaker 1: shout out to these guests, just because you know, the
Speaker 1: Bible tells us, you know, we we should produce fruit
Speaker 1: from our works. And I don't remember who each one
Speaker 1: of these people are. I've just got episode numbers. But
Speaker 1: his response was, I'm in too deep. Episodes twenty eight,
Speaker 1: forty three, forty seven, fifty one, ninety one, and one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty two are the ones that I've just
Speaker 1: been absorbed with and have sent to his wife to
Speaker 1: listen to. And then he goes on to send me
Speaker 1: episode one, twenty and one twenty three is he's listening
Speaker 1: to them because these stick out in his mind. So
Speaker 1: if you have other guests that have wondered, have I
Speaker 1: ever made an impact? Absolutely, you've made an impact. It
Speaker 1: may not be things that we agree on on every
Speaker 1: little thing, but you you had an impact on somebody
Speaker 1: that shared it with me. And you fast forward a
Speaker 1: year and a half or whatever now and I'm here
Speaker 1: getting to share my story and it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: With I want to throw it back to Christ. Now,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. Once you find out the good
Speaker 1: news of Christ, don't keep that to you. Tell your friends,
Speaker 1: tell them to tell them to look at it, tell
Speaker 1: them to hear, hear the word, believe the word, repent,
Speaker 1: be baptized, remain faithful, you know all of those good things.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's it's the church is viewed as
Speaker 1: a family. This, this community of believers we have here
Speaker 1: on the podcast is viewed as a family.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But but but sharing that love of Jesus is the
Speaker 1: same thing. If you, if you, And that's why I
Speaker 1: said my entire name.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: There's there's another podcast I used to listen to more
Speaker 1: for business related stuff. But it was a guy by
Speaker 1: the name of Brian Betheni and he had this thing,
Speaker 1: can you put your name to it? At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, are you proud of what you've done?
Speaker 1: And could you put your name to it? Well, my
Speaker 1: family name had been on our business forever and it's
Speaker 1: still on that. It's still on the business name today
Speaker 1: because we believe we've done another good enough job we
Speaker 1: could put our name to it. And I believe in
Speaker 1: the Holy scriptures enough that I'm not afraid to say
Speaker 1: my name is Chris Barrett, and I'll put my name
Speaker 1: to it. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna dive in and study more and dive in more
Speaker 1: and want to learn more because i know I'm not
Speaker 1: right on everything, but I pray for wisdom. I pray
Speaker 1: for understanding. I want to have a better knowledge of
Speaker 1: the scripture so I can share it with other people,
Speaker 1: whether it's the conversation like this that may lead somebody
Speaker 1: to Jesus or if it's Jesus just I want to
Speaker 1: be prepared and ready. So I wanted to give a
Speaker 1: shout out to Jason and all the other guys that
Speaker 1: have you know, got us to where we are to
Speaker 1: do through these podcasts, because you may not think you mattered,
Speaker 1: but you really did. And the one for me and
Speaker 1: I've never really investigated him any farther but episode I
Speaker 1: think it's fifty right as you come back for season two,
Speaker 1: William Boot. I think I've probably listened to that one
Speaker 1: eight or nine times. I just found that interview just fantastic,
Speaker 1: a lot of good information there, So I'll give that
Speaker 1: one a shout out to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've had him on The Fact Hunter as well.
Speaker 5: Great guy, works hard, he makes a long video every week.
Speaker 5: I think he still puts it out on on Rumble,
Speaker 5: I believe, and to all the listeners. You know, if
Speaker 5: there is something that one of the one of our
Speaker 5: guests did make an impact on your life, i'd encourage
Speaker 5: you to take the time out and just shoot him
Speaker 5: a quick email. You know, ninety percent of the guests
Speaker 5: we've had on said yeah, I put my email in
Speaker 5: the show notes, you know, reach out and say hello.
Speaker 5: And the other thing you mentioned earlier, I think as
Speaker 5: we get older, we kind of put the whole time
Speaker 5: in my any aspect. You mentioned that earlier, and we
Speaker 5: talked about trying to remember it's more fulfilling to work
Speaker 5: to live, not live to work. And obviously when we're
Speaker 5: young we can get caught up in that. Much of
Speaker 5: it is just difficult being a young person navigating our way.
Speaker 5: But I think the older we get and realizing that
Speaker 5: time is not so much on our side, we try
Speaker 5: to prioritize, you know, living to work instead of working
Speaker 5: to live.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's time is valuable. I read something today
Speaker 1: and I'll try to keep this short, but I had
Speaker 1: went to a funeral back in twenty twenty. The gentleman
Speaker 1: that passed away, he was eighty six years old. He
Speaker 1: had been in the I sold tires for a living.
Speaker 1: He had been in the tire business forever, started building
Speaker 1: some houses, you know, And basically the man was like
Speaker 1: my grandfather. He had to work until the day he
Speaker 1: was to the day he died. And I just remember
Speaker 1: I actually I don't say I keep a diary, but
Speaker 1: I put it in a journal, if you will, and
Speaker 1: left it on my desk so I could see that
Speaker 1: every day as motivation. Uh, you know, how do you
Speaker 1: how do you spell? This is what I wrote in there?
Speaker 1: How How am I going to spell love? And that's
Speaker 1: love for my family, love for my fellow men, love
Speaker 1: for my brothers and sisters in Christ. And the way
Speaker 1: I want to be able to spell love is t
Speaker 1: I m e with time because a lot of people
Speaker 1: will give money to you know, and and believe me,
Speaker 1: there's a time and place for money. But what is
Speaker 1: that expression? People don't care how much you know till
Speaker 1: they know how much you care. And that comes with
Speaker 1: spending time with people. And that's you know, that's we
Speaker 1: could talk all day about money and time and family.
Speaker 5: Because we you know, absolutely I wanted to ask you
Speaker 5: a question because for so many people, I'd venture to say,
Speaker 5: at least half of the guests we've had on this
Speaker 5: podcast over the last several years, COVID played a very
Speaker 5: integral part of their awakening to see how the world
Speaker 5: really works. What was it like for you as a father,
Speaker 5: a family member and a small family I'm sorry, a
Speaker 5: small business person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well understand our demographic the county. I live in
Speaker 1: Stuart County. It's absolutely gorgeous here. It's an outdoor recreation
Speaker 1: paradise with the public lands that we have, the lakes
Speaker 1: that we have. But that being said, the entire county
Speaker 1: itself is only about thirteen thousand people roughly, so it's
Speaker 1: a lot of land mass. But I think the government
Speaker 1: actually I hate to say owns, because they stole the
Speaker 1: land from that's another rabbit hole of the Tennessee Valley
Speaker 1: Authority TVA. My grandfather that started the business I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: was in the area known as Land between the Lakes.
Speaker 1: When they put the dams up and flooded the dam,
Speaker 1: it flooded the family home and all that they had
Speaker 1: to move and relocate. They moved still within the area
Speaker 1: that it's land between the lakes. Started that business in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one and then in nineteen sixty seven had
Speaker 1: to up and move again because of I guess eminent
Speaker 1: domain laws. But they were taking they were taking that property.
Speaker 1: So you know, when you look at the county on
Speaker 1: the map, the pretty much the northern half is land
Speaker 1: between the lakes and factor in Fort Campbell, Kentucky has
Speaker 1: some land in that region and then other TVA properties,
Speaker 1: so it looks like a bigger county, but it's a
Speaker 1: lot of government controlled lands. There's not a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So if you would have never flipped on the television
Speaker 1: for the news, you wouldn't have known anything was going on.
Speaker 1: Honestly in our county. I would. At the time we
Speaker 1: were the congregation we were attending, there was a lady
Speaker 1: that had called in that and this this goes back
Speaker 1: to just the fear mongering on today's news. You never
Speaker 1: turn on the news and hear good news. It's always bad.
Speaker 1: And the first time I ever heard the words COVID
Speaker 1: uttered was somebody calling on one of the wid old
Speaker 1: ladies from the church we were going to and she
Speaker 1: asked if I could lead a prayer on Sunday morning
Speaker 1: for this new virus that was out and that was
Speaker 1: my first exposure to it, and and had her request,
Speaker 1: you know, we did, and you know, just you know,
Speaker 1: prayed that God would look over us keep us healthy.
Speaker 1: And because again if somebody asked for prayers, guys, don't
Speaker 1: take that for granted. Prayer is a powerful thing. And
Speaker 1: the second, the second time that it was that it
Speaker 1: came to my doorstep again was a church member who
Speaker 1: whose husband was in the military that was getting sent
Speaker 1: to New York to set up all these triadge things.
Speaker 1: And I mean she's called in a panic because her
Speaker 1: husband of thirty something years and that's on his way
Speaker 1: out of the military is getting sucked into this thing,
Speaker 1: but in her mind was just going to kill him.
Speaker 1: But so if I hadn't have been exposed to those
Speaker 1: two things, just the people coming through on our door
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, you would occasionally have and it
Speaker 1: was typically somebody that was older that would come in
Speaker 1: wearing a mask, but rarely did we get asked to
Speaker 1: put on masks to sanitize or do anything. So from that,
Speaker 1: from that aspect, it was really nice. But on the
Speaker 1: flip side, if you wanted to go out and eat
Speaker 1: or do something like that. Typically we have a few
Speaker 1: local restaurants and stuff here, but a lot of folks
Speaker 1: in the community here when they go somewhere on the
Speaker 1: weekends or something, they'll drive to, you know, clarks full
Speaker 1: or Murray, Kentucky, or Paducah, Kentucky, or Nashville. And when
Speaker 1: you got into the big cities is when you really
Speaker 1: noticed it. So when you come of the lifestyle of
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing a mask five days a week and
Speaker 1: I want to go somewhere to you know, to eat
Speaker 1: on Saturday night or go do something you're telling me
Speaker 1: I can or I've got to do this or that. Uh,
Speaker 1: it will just you know, basically, okay, we'll just go
Speaker 1: to the grocery store, you know, grab and just you know,
Speaker 1: cook and do from here. And then from the the
Speaker 1: church aspects of things, that was a challenging time. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I so admire that what you're, uh lord willing
Speaker 1: are fixing to do with uh starting a you know,
Speaker 1: starting a church. Uh. And I would I would encourage
Speaker 1: you to look at the scripture. Well, you know, most people,
Speaker 1: I won't say most people a lot of people people
Speaker 1: know about the Reformation movement, but the thing within the
Speaker 1: Church of Christ, at least the two that I've been
Speaker 1: as socially in my life, we say restoration because we're
Speaker 1: trying to restore what to the best we can through
Speaker 1: God's word of what the church used to be. What
Speaker 1: did it look like, What does it look like through
Speaker 1: the acts of the apostles, what does it look like
Speaker 1: through Paul's letters? What can we glean from scripture? We
Speaker 1: definitely don't add to scripture, and we try not to
Speaker 1: take anything away. So the way we conduct our worship
Speaker 1: service is the way that we believe God wanted it
Speaker 1: and commanded it through our understanding of scripture. And then think,
Speaker 1: you know, with our business, you know you got to love. Hey,
Speaker 1: we were deemed essential because we were in the automotive
Speaker 1: industry and so we didn't have to worry about clothing.
Speaker 1: And thankfully at that time we had a good mayor
Speaker 1: a good sheriff that wasn't going to let anything like
Speaker 1: that happen. But when it comes to churches, it just
Speaker 1: and George no disrespect to anybody, but it drove me
Speaker 1: insane that I would see people get out and go
Speaker 1: to the grocery store, or you would see them at
Speaker 1: the gas pumps, or you would see them somewhere. But
Speaker 1: I don't want to come to church. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get anybody sick, you know, And that just I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a reflection on the person and
Speaker 1: where they're at spiritually, because I believe that we're commanded
Speaker 1: to come together. I believe that, you know, Christ died
Speaker 1: for the She died for forgiveness of our sins. But
Speaker 1: he died for the church. He talks about the church
Speaker 1: being his bride. He he loves the church and the
Speaker 1: church there's only one singular. That's what he died for.
Speaker 1: And you know Paul's letters talks about each member has
Speaker 1: individual you know, I think he describes it as parts
Speaker 1: of the body. You know that each member plays an
Speaker 1: important part. And when you were in a congregation of
Speaker 1: you know, anywhere from eighty to one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: people and you've had a bad week, somebody in that
Speaker 1: place is going to bring me up, whether it's through singing, teaching,
Speaker 1: that they're gonna they're gonna pray, they're gonna exhort me there,
Speaker 1: they're gonna build me up. And that's that's the key
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people miss when it
Speaker 1: comes to comes to church. Again. If if you're a
Speaker 1: listener and you say, well, I don't need church, I
Speaker 1: don't believe in church. I don't think God commands us
Speaker 1: to go there. I would challenge you to look at
Speaker 1: what Christ died for and and his kingdom here on
Speaker 1: this earth is is I believe his church. It's it's
Speaker 1: where his saved ones are going. And then you can
Speaker 1: get in the rabbit hole of denominations in which one
Speaker 1: is the right church because there's one faith, one hope,
Speaker 1: one baptism, one church and and of you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying there's just physically one correct church. But but
Speaker 1: but I've heard you say in others we can't all
Speaker 1: be right. Who is trying to follow that that gospel
Speaker 1: message the closest and and uh, I love you brother,
Speaker 1: and that would be my challenge to you follow it
Speaker 1: with with everything and all sincerity in your heart as
Speaker 1: you do this. And I pray that one day that
Speaker 1: I can break bread inside you know, the church with you,
Speaker 1: wherever that may be. We've never been to Delaware. The
Speaker 1: northeast is on our to do list, and I would
Speaker 1: I would love to worship God, the Father and Jesus
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 5: Well. I appreciate that from the bottom of my heart.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I've mentioned this in the last
Speaker 5: couple of conversations. On July seventeenth, I wrote a letter
Speaker 5: to the Governor of Delaware, the state reps, and the
Speaker 5: county sheriff. Very peaceful letter, grace peace, inviting them when
Speaker 5: we're on the ground. I don't want to read the
Speaker 5: whole three pages, but I wanted to read the part
Speaker 5: where it's entitled our pledge. It simply states we're not anarchists.
Speaker 5: We do not seek to undermine government. We pray for
Speaker 5: our leaders as noted in one Timothy to Verses one
Speaker 5: and two. We respect civil authority and desire peaceful relationships
Speaker 5: with AWE. But we want to be clear number one,
Speaker 5: these are all bullet points. We will never submit to
Speaker 5: any mandate that forces us to suspend or restrict our
Speaker 5: worship gatherings. We will never accept the classification of the
Speaker 5: church is not essential. We will never require a proof
Speaker 5: of vaccination, compliance with MASK mandates, or any health past
Speaker 5: enter our sanctuary. We will never close our doors in
Speaker 5: the name of public health, political stability, or national emergency.
Speaker 5: We will always follow the Lord Jesus Christ and the
Speaker 5: unchanging truth of scripture, regardless of cost or consequence. So
Speaker 5: and the reason we wanted to do it up front.
Speaker 5: So if this does ever happen again in our generation,
Speaker 5: which I have a feeling it could happen sooner than later,
Speaker 5: I don't want there to be any doubt where our
Speaker 5: church stood.
Speaker 1: Amen. That's that's very well stated and very well said.
Speaker 1: And I think too with within the within the church,
Speaker 1: there needs to be strong men who are leaders. That's
Speaker 1: that's what God prescribed for the church. I believe that
Speaker 1: you find that all through scripture. And went back to
Speaker 1: COVID for just a minute where I was going at
Speaker 1: the time. We had decided what may be best, and
Speaker 1: I think we closed the doors for two or three
Speaker 1: weeks and we're doing And again you can talk Satan
Speaker 1: about being the prints of the air and airwaves and
Speaker 1: again going down that whole rabbit hole. If you don't
Speaker 1: think that that was a card that he has played, well,
Speaker 1: how many faithful members of the Lord's Church have we lost?
Speaker 1: It used to just drive me in saying we realized
Speaker 1: we had a problem when we started broadcasting on Facebook
Speaker 1: and two or three weeks in it would say, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody would type, we're here in our pajamas with coffee,
Speaker 1: ready to worship. I'm sorry, that's not worship. No, And
Speaker 1: that's where we've seen it was going to be a problem,
Speaker 1: and do we need to not broadcast it live? Do
Speaker 1: we not need to do it at all? But then
Speaker 1: you've had those shut ins who were like, this is
Speaker 1: such a great tool. I'm not able to get out
Speaker 1: because I physically do have something wrong with me. And
Speaker 1: then you know, you would have to go to you know,
Speaker 1: to your brother and sister in Christ and go, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be rude. I'm coming to you in love.
Speaker 1: You know, you've worked five days this week and you're
Speaker 1: you're like the rest of us. You've drove thirty or
Speaker 1: forty miles, you know, back and forth one way because
Speaker 1: a lot of people in our town do you know,
Speaker 1: work out and and so you know, and you post
Speaker 1: your whole social media life here, but on Sunday you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna play church instead of participate in church.
Speaker 1: And I hate to be rude and blunt like that,
Speaker 1: but that that's coming from a place of love. So
Speaker 1: you know, that would be a challenge that I would
Speaker 1: have to any listener if if you think that you
Speaker 1: were going to church because you were watching it on TV,
Speaker 1: I would challenge you to drive into scripture and see
Speaker 1: if that aligns with God. Will I with that aligns
Speaker 1: with God's will? Or is that a deception tactic of Satan.
Speaker 1: It's one of my greatest regrets in life that I
Speaker 1: was a part of a group that said we probably
Speaker 1: need to close the doors, and then it was quickly
Speaker 1: revealed to me that you've made the wrong decision and
Speaker 1: you have to be mad enough to say I screwed up,
Speaker 1: and I did. It's one of my greatest regrets. The
Speaker 1: congregation that we're going to now is governed by a
Speaker 1: group of fine biblically sound men and again that we
Speaker 1: call elders. And I found out that when they went
Speaker 1: through that process, of course, that we're real close to
Speaker 1: the Kentucky line, so they're across the border in Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and Kentucky's governor at that time was I think, shutting
Speaker 1: down a lot of things, and they took the George hobstance.
Speaker 1: They closed for one week, they got together and said,
Speaker 1: this ain't right, this ain't gonna fly. Lord forgive us
Speaker 1: and open the doors back up. And that's that's uh so,
Speaker 1: kudos to you for forgetting ahead of that and letting
Speaker 1: them know where you stand, because you know, we we
Speaker 1: think if we share the Gospel of Christ with somebody
Speaker 1: today and they say no where they close the door
Speaker 1: in our face, that we're being persecuted. You want to
Speaker 1: see persecution, you go back and look at the story
Speaker 1: of Stephen in the Book of Acts, and and and
Speaker 1: look at what history tells us happens outside of the Bible.
Speaker 1: We'll have to go find a lot of this information.
Speaker 1: Look what happened to the apostles of.
Speaker 5: Them got executed in horrible ways?
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know the the you know Saul, who
Speaker 1: would become the apostle Paul. When you when you dive
Speaker 1: into scripture. I've taught the middle school class for several
Speaker 1: years at a couple of different places. And when you
Speaker 1: dive into scripture and you read over the word that's
Speaker 1: words in Acts chapter eight, I think it is I'm
Speaker 1: going off memory. Somewhere around verse three it says that
Speaker 1: you know Paul's I'm going to paraphrase here basically going
Speaker 1: into houses and it says reeking havoc on Christians. Well,
Speaker 1: that just to me shows me the beauty of God's
Speaker 1: plan because as these Christians were being dispersed in having
Speaker 1: to leave, they were carrying the good news of the
Speaker 1: Gospel with them. That's Satan meant that for bad, but
Speaker 1: God meant it for good because that gospel message spread
Speaker 1: as they were being persecuted. The word the word used
Speaker 1: there that you know he was wreaking havoc. And again
Speaker 1: this was this was the old Chris that would just
Speaker 1: read over that word. But then when you dive into
Speaker 1: the concordance and realize that that word havoc has the
Speaker 1: implication of a wild animal tearing apart, pray, I'm not
Speaker 1: persecuted because I get a door shut in my face.
Speaker 1: Those people were persecuted, And I just when, if in
Speaker 1: or not if when we get to heaven and if
Speaker 1: we get to have conversations about what took place on
Speaker 1: the earth, that those are going to be some of
Speaker 1: some of my questions to those to those heroes who
Speaker 1: have no name in the Bible, but but stood true
Speaker 1: in their faith, you know, until death and and that's
Speaker 1: just you know, that's just I don't know. It makes
Speaker 1: me emotional. It brings a tear to my eye because
Speaker 1: those are the examples that those are the people we
Speaker 1: should have as heroes, not the people on TV. Not
Speaker 1: the people and in social media that these influencers and
Speaker 1: followers and things like that. People football, Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no you make You made so many important
Speaker 5: points and that is something we all get hyped up
Speaker 5: in and it's great to see many of the stories
Speaker 5: that are similar. When people start to wake up, they
Speaker 5: realize that they didn't quite understand what a worldly life
Speaker 5: they were living until they stepped back and saw everything
Speaker 5: they did was uh working to pay for their season tickets,
Speaker 5: you know, three thousand dollars a year and all these
Speaker 5: other things. When you step back and you want you
Speaker 5: realize that we should And again it's not saying that
Speaker 5: you shouldn't have outlets and you should be able to
Speaker 5: blow off steam and do this and that, but it
Speaker 5: can't be a primary focus of your life because you're commanded.
Speaker 5: God isn't asking you. He's commanding you. Whether you listen
Speaker 5: or not, that's up to you. But he's commanding us
Speaker 5: to share His good news. And I say all the time,
Speaker 5: you can't fix secular problems with secular secular ideals. You
Speaker 5: have to come from a biblical avenue. You've got to
Speaker 5: come with a moral compass, and otherwise you're just trying
Speaker 5: to you know, you have the Tower of Peace as
Speaker 5: your foundational corner. It's just not going to work.
Speaker 1: Exactly. And you've in a few of the episodes preceding
Speaker 1: this one, it seems like the I don't want to
Speaker 1: say buzzword, but the word and maybe it's because we've
Speaker 1: been doing a study on it, but the word veil
Speaker 1: has been removed in every I say it's God's time,
Speaker 1: and because I hear you talking about it and we're
Speaker 1: actually you know, have been studied at church. But if
Speaker 1: I can read a couple of Bible verses and talking
Speaker 1: about when you say when you step back and you see,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about myself individually, when I take a
Speaker 1: step back and go, what am I working towards? What's
Speaker 1: the ultimate end goal? Well, the ultimate end goal for
Speaker 1: me is to get me into heaven, my family into heaven,
Speaker 1: and take as many people as I can with me.
Speaker 1: I think that would be the goal of any Christian
Speaker 1: and the idea of the veiel, because as I've heard
Speaker 1: you say that in some episodes. Matthew thirteen's start in
Speaker 1: verse sixteen says, but blessed are you, or excuse me,
Speaker 1: blessed are your eyes, for they see in your ears,
Speaker 1: for they hear. So you're looking and you're listening, And
Speaker 1: he says, for suredly, I say to you that many
Speaker 1: prophets and righteous men desire to see what you see
Speaker 1: and did not see it, and to hear what you
Speaker 1: hear and did not hear it. There's so many people
Speaker 1: out there that I don't know if they're looking in
Speaker 1: the wrong places or if Satan has just got them
Speaker 1: deceived to the point that they believe they're in an
Speaker 1: okay state. And if I may, this is the verse
Speaker 1: that challenges of all of the verses in the Bible.
Speaker 1: So many verses mean so many things to so many people.
Speaker 1: And the friend that I referenced earlier, who I tried
Speaker 1: to share the Biblical earth with that just absolutely shut
Speaker 1: me down. We had talked about this verse in other
Speaker 1: contexts because one of the somebody out there listen to
Speaker 1: this when they hear Church of Christ, one of the
Speaker 1: one of the myths I think that's out there about
Speaker 1: the Churches of Christ is well, they believe they're the
Speaker 1: only ones going to heaven. And that's a running joke
Speaker 1: that I've heard forever, and I can honestly say that
Speaker 1: I've never heard anybody within those walls say that. At least,
Speaker 1: you know, we pray for all men. We want everybody
Speaker 1: to come to the truth. We're going to share the
Speaker 1: truth was used as we know it. And if we're wrong,
Speaker 1: we're gonna admit it. But you know we you know,
Speaker 1: I have challenged people, show me where I'm wrong in
Speaker 1: my faith, show me where I'm wrong in my worship practices,
Speaker 1: and so but this is the verse that keeps me
Speaker 1: in check. And it's from the Sermon on the Mount
Speaker 1: Matthew seven. Start in verse twenty one. And if you're
Speaker 1: a believer, this ought to always keep you in check.
Speaker 1: Not everyone who says to me, Lord Lord Shaw, enter
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of heaven. But he who does the will
Speaker 1: of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me
Speaker 1: in that day, Lord Lord, have we not prophesied in
Speaker 1: your name, cast out demons in your name, and done
Speaker 1: many wonders in your name? And I will declare to them,
Speaker 1: I never knew you depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.
Speaker 1: So that that verse has always kind of kept me
Speaker 1: in check to never think that I'm the end, all,
Speaker 1: know it all of everything when it comes to scripture.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep my head in the book, and
Speaker 1: as I know better, I'm gonna do better. And that's
Speaker 1: that's not only my goal for me, but for all
Speaker 1: the listeners that will hear this. Don't don't ever, And
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody out there is really that arrogance. No, well,
Speaker 1: I've read it once. I know it all. No, just
Speaker 1: keep your head in the book and keep plugging along.
Speaker 5: And then well said, I was looking while you were
Speaker 5: reading that. The Church of Christ there is a huge
Speaker 5: amount of them in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely what I think it's referred to
Speaker 1: as the Bible belt. I mean, within where I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here right now, I could there's a small congregation a
Speaker 1: couple of miles down the road to have about ten
Speaker 1: or twelve members. Then I can go a couple miles
Speaker 1: the other direction there's about twenty members, and the one
Speaker 1: right in town's got around one hundred and then over
Speaker 1: in the Bumpus Mills area there's another. I think there's
Speaker 1: seven within this county the last time I actually looked.
Speaker 1: But it's the influence of the Churches of Christ in
Speaker 1: the South seem to be, you know, really really strong.
Speaker 1: We at least the two congregations I have been a
Speaker 1: part of, you know, we try to do a lot
Speaker 1: of mission work overseas, different places. Like I said, it's
Speaker 1: growing up. I will say this about it, and this
Speaker 1: is again my experience, my opinion. Growing up, we weren't
Speaker 1: really allowed by our parents or anywhere else to go
Speaker 1: anywhere or venture out. And when I would ask why,
Speaker 1: they had enough knowledge to say they practice this in
Speaker 1: their building. And we don't think that God commands that
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten for us. Because there's some
Speaker 1: there's some Churches of Christ now that will have instrumental music.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: when they think of Church of Christ, everything that we do.
Speaker 1: I when I say we, I'm talking about our congregation
Speaker 1: and the ones that I know of around here, it's
Speaker 1: it's acapella singing that God said, make music with the
Speaker 1: melody of your heart. That's I should know that that's
Speaker 1: it's mentioned in Ephesians and Collausions about the heart being
Speaker 1: the instrument that makes the music. So again, we try
Speaker 1: not to add to scripture and we try not to
Speaker 1: take away. And I've been a part of a lot
Speaker 1: of studies when it comes to the idea of instrumental
Speaker 1: music in worship. Instrumental music wasn't really a thing until
Speaker 1: probably around the eighteen hundreds when it started seeping its
Speaker 1: way in. And we talked about the Reformation movement and
Speaker 1: you know Martin Luther nailing that to the door, and
Speaker 1: you know John Calvin and some other guys, and there's
Speaker 1: one guy I wanted to ask you about if we
Speaker 1: have time today, that you know, they were solely against
Speaker 1: instrumental music and it and it slowly crept its way in.
Speaker 1: And then you know, the argument that I would get
Speaker 1: from friends and people that I that I dearly love,
Speaker 1: that may be of the Baptist faith or you know whatever. Uh,
Speaker 1: for one, what what is the what is the name
Speaker 1: that you're wearing? It's I am a Baptist. Well for
Speaker 1: those that are members of the Church of Christ, like
Speaker 1: we typically say we're Christian, and we used to say
Speaker 1: we're non denominational, but now that term is kind of
Speaker 1: kind of everywhere now. But we're first and foremost of Christian.
Speaker 1: You know, the Bible says that they were first called
Speaker 1: Christians and Antioch and that that's in the Book of
Speaker 1: Acts and then in the Book of Rome's. As paul
Speaker 1: Is is signing off, he says, the churches of Christ
Speaker 1: salute you. So the the idea of we we don't
Speaker 1: want to wear the label, uh, you know, Churches of Christ.
Speaker 1: We we are a Christian and to be a Christian
Speaker 1: you belong to Christ. And the church I think is
Speaker 1: I can never say eclestea. Uh, the called out were
Speaker 1: to be we were to be separate. So being the
Speaker 1: church where a group of members that are in Christ
Speaker 1: or of Christ. And so that's that's kind of our mindset.
Speaker 1: And we're not going around trying to think that, hey,
Speaker 1: that we know more, we're better than you. There's problems
Speaker 1: everywhere you go. I'm not going to say that any
Speaker 1: congregation you find is perfect, but it's we try real
Speaker 1: hard to love and build each other up and encourage
Speaker 1: and and like I said, so you know, growing up
Speaker 1: as a child, that was usually a instrumental reason why
Speaker 1: we couldn't go another big one. You know. I believe
Speaker 1: the Bible teaches and Acts twenty verse seven that on
Speaker 1: the first day of the week when the disciples were
Speaker 1: together to break bread. I think communion is a huge
Speaker 1: part of what we do together, to break the bread
Speaker 1: and take the cup and remember in the Lord's death
Speaker 1: till he comes. Well, that's something that we do every
Speaker 1: Sunday without exception. Uh, it's not something that we do
Speaker 1: once or twice a year, because it's it's important for
Speaker 1: us to remember what Jesus Christ went through, that that
Speaker 1: bread representing his body, that that cup representing his blood,
Speaker 1: and that he overcame the grave and we're we're waiting
Speaker 1: on him to come back, as you know, but the
Speaker 1: way we've been waiting for you know, two thousand years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I know. A church I visit, they do
Speaker 5: it once a month. My son's church does it. I
Speaker 5: believe they do it every single Sunday like yours. It's
Speaker 5: you know that the early church, and like you said
Speaker 5: in Acts, when when the church was first arrived, they
Speaker 5: met first day of the week for worship fellowship and
Speaker 5: that always included the Lord's Supper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the that's the one place that I'll say,
Speaker 1: especially my wife has made headway when she's talked to
Speaker 1: her friends. And you know, number one, I would I
Speaker 1: would challenge the listener. Uh, if somebody ever asked you,
Speaker 1: and again I love questions, why do you believe what
Speaker 1: you believe? You oughto be able to give an answer
Speaker 1: to why you do things. And so when when I
Speaker 1: would ask that of my friends that she's she's had
Speaker 1: really good success, well why do why do you only
Speaker 1: take it? When the Bible says this, why do you
Speaker 1: only do it? This? Help me understand. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to you know, belittle or put down. You know, this
Speaker 1: is good honest conversation in dialog, and it wouldn't you
Speaker 1: know again, questions engage thoughts. It would get the wheels turning,
Speaker 1: and you know, they would come back and say, you know,
Speaker 1: I asked my you know, I ask my preacher, asked
Speaker 1: my pastor, asked you know, and they said, well, we
Speaker 1: know what that says, but we're afraid it's going to
Speaker 1: lose its meaning. Well if if, if, if, the the death, burial,
Speaker 1: and resurrection of Jesus Christ is going to lose its
Speaker 1: meaning if you partake and the emblems we're told to
Speaker 1: partake of. I take issue with that. I challenge how
Speaker 1: much did My first thought would be, do you really
Speaker 1: know the price that was paid when when you when
Speaker 1: you look at how Christ give up all the glories
Speaker 1: of heaven and everything that he gave up to become
Speaker 1: mortal man and take on flesh, be born of woman,
Speaker 1: and come to this earth and lived a perfect sinless
Speaker 1: life and then was found guilty of whatever heresies they
Speaker 1: thought he committed and would rather have a murderer set
Speaker 1: free than a man that they could find no fault
Speaker 1: in that. That kind of love that left all of
Speaker 1: that to come to this earth and take up on
Speaker 1: the sins of you and me and everyone was placed
Speaker 1: upon him to have his father turn his face away
Speaker 1: because you cannot look upon sin and and.
Speaker 3: Die.
Speaker 1: That Agon hadn't even talked about the scourge. If you
Speaker 1: really want to see brutality, look into the history of
Speaker 1: the Roman scourge and what Jesus went through before he
Speaker 1: got to the cross. But then then for that, you know,
Speaker 1: to be to have one of the the our preacher
Speaker 1: this weekend made the comment he said, through his Bible's study,
Speaker 1: here's just a piece of trivia for you may or
Speaker 1: may not know. He said how many men in the
Speaker 1: New Testament were called good? And I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 1: with you, George. I wrote it on my notes when
Speaker 1: he told me the names of the two men, I
Speaker 1: wrote your name next to one of them. The first
Speaker 1: one he said that was called good that he could
Speaker 1: find was Joseph of a Marathia, who went and asked
Speaker 1: for the body of Jesus to bury it in the tomb,
Speaker 1: again fulfilling prophecy. So he was called a good man.
Speaker 1: It says something about his character, about being a follower
Speaker 1: of Christ. The other one was Barnabas, and you probably know,
Speaker 1: but for the listeners he may not know. Barnabas was
Speaker 1: called the son of Encouragement, and God called Barnabas good.
Speaker 1: And when he said that, I couldn't help but think
Speaker 1: of you and the podcast and the encouragement You've been
Speaker 1: through these two hundred and something episodes to other people
Speaker 1: to get them to study and learn for the for
Speaker 1: the truth, you know, to seek out the truth. And
Speaker 1: uh so, I, just like I said, building up to this,
Speaker 1: my mind's been on a lot of scripture, it's been
Speaker 1: on you, it's been, you know, prayerful for you and
Speaker 1: your studies in the seminary and the church, and just
Speaker 1: just praying that God's message could be spread. But but
Speaker 1: I would say, my friend, that you you definitely are
Speaker 1: a Barnabas because you you do encourage so many people.
Speaker 1: You probably have no idea of the impact that you've
Speaker 1: had when your time is over.
Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate that we need to bring back these names.
Speaker 5: By the way, Barnabas, what a great name. Acts four
Speaker 5: thirty six now Joseph Elivit of Cyprian birth, who was
Speaker 5: also called Barnabas by the Apostles, which is translated to
Speaker 5: a son of encouragement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pretty special.
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, thank you so much. I guess we
Speaker 5: should talk about flat Earth a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah, that's I could talk Bible all day.
Speaker 5: Yeah me too. I looked as like, oh, we're an
Speaker 5: hour seven in maybe we should mention the flatter.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, yeah, it seems like twenty minutes.
Speaker 5: No, I am in no rush today, brother, It's this
Speaker 5: has been just a great conversation so.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that I'm worried and prayed about it because
Speaker 1: I want it to be beneficial to I know how
Speaker 1: much I've got out of the podcast from others, and
Speaker 1: I just want to be able to give back in
Speaker 1: some small ways. So yeah, I appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Let me ask you this question first, have you
Speaker 5: number one, have you had any success sharing this? And
Speaker 5: number two? Obviously Jason had success? Shout out to Jason.
Speaker 5: Have you found that breadcrumbs are better than drinking from
Speaker 5: a fire hose?
Speaker 1: For me? No, I'm like I said, sometimes I'm as
Speaker 1: blunt as a hammer. So have I had success sharing this?
Speaker 1: H Yes, absolutely, I have the the the fire hose
Speaker 1: method for me that the crumbs are okay, and I've
Speaker 1: seen it. I've seen it both ways, honestly. So when
Speaker 1: when I read you those text messages I had basically
Speaker 1: from April till about September, the first of just consuming
Speaker 1: and studying what what is? What is the shape? And
Speaker 1: here's a buzzword that I've learned to hate. If you
Speaker 1: catch me saying the word planet, just virtually slap me,
Speaker 1: because nowhere in scripture does God describe Earth as a planet.
Speaker 1: It's not there. So I'll just I'll get on this,
Speaker 1: my little soap box of Earth and so when I
Speaker 1: got on this topic of looking at Earth and how
Speaker 1: it was created and consuming all this information, the idea
Speaker 1: about sharing it. Here's where the bread crumb thing come in.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: So in September, uh myself and two of my brothers
Speaker 1: in Christ from church and another individual that I did
Speaker 1: not know, but he's a brother in Christ. He's an
Speaker 1: older gentleman. He serves as an elder now, but he's
Speaker 1: been a preacher for several years. So I had the
Speaker 1: privilege of being We were in my truck headed west
Speaker 1: Elk Hunt for a week. So basically, you know, we're
Speaker 1: talking a twenty seven hour drive out there and back.
Speaker 1: And so every time I get in the truck, you know,
Speaker 1: the phone connects to the radio, and the radio pops
Speaker 1: up Spotify and what's there, it's you know, the Flat
Speaker 1: Earth Files. Bible Mysteries is another podcast that I've listened
Speaker 1: to because those guys challenge my thinking on a lot.
Speaker 1: I disagree with them a lot on some things when
Speaker 1: it comes to salvation, once saved, always save, things like that.
Speaker 1: But I still like to listen to stuff that I
Speaker 1: don't agree with, just so it can challenge me to
Speaker 1: dive deeper into scripture. So anyway, because again I may
Speaker 1: be wrong. I don't have all the answers, so I
Speaker 1: need to look and prove it. You know, Again, the
Speaker 1: Bible says test all things. So getting back to that,
Speaker 1: we get somewhere around Saint Louis. And so when you
Speaker 1: get when you get in the truck, people's vehicles may
Speaker 1: be this. It pops up the you know, the the
Speaker 1: icons on the screen and there would be you know,
Speaker 1: flat Earth files. And I thought, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm ready to have this conversation or not. So i'
Speaker 1: you know, hit a button and make it disappear. Well,
Speaker 1: somewhere around Saint Louis, Kansas City somewhere. I got in
Speaker 1: and I didn't get that button hit fast enough, and
Speaker 1: my buddy tied me from the back. He goes, Chris,
Speaker 1: what in the world is flat Earth files? And so
Speaker 1: I tried my best to explain. You know. I went
Speaker 1: back to hey, you remember this class because he's one
Speaker 1: of the teachers in there. On Wednesday night with him
Speaker 1: as well, I was like, uh, you remember you know
Speaker 1: this conversation? Yeah, I said, Man, after class, I got
Speaker 1: sent something and it has changed my life in the
Speaker 1: view of scripture, and I said, I think for the better.
Speaker 1: And one of my other buddies in there, Mike, who
Speaker 1: goes to church with me. Mike is an engineer by trade.
Speaker 1: So everything with Mike, and I love him dearly. He
Speaker 1: is polar opposite of me. He's very analytical, very you know,
Speaker 1: very by the book thinker.
Speaker 5: All about the numbers, all about the numbers, yes and uh.
Speaker 1: And the other guy, like I said, Dana, it was like, well,
Speaker 1: the the this, this is what I've learned. The older
Speaker 1: I say say older generation because I'm getting to be
Speaker 1: in that generation now. But the guys that I have
Speaker 1: found in there, let's just say sixty five plus, I
Speaker 1: have found that, with the exception of my dad, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to penetrate their wall of belief that pretty
Speaker 1: much they're pretty much said in their ways. These other
Speaker 1: two guys are around our age. You know, I think
Speaker 1: you're a few years older than mere. They're in their
Speaker 1: early fifties, and you know, so I did my best
Speaker 1: to go into what I had learned about NASA and
Speaker 1: we've been lied to and just you know, just hashing
Speaker 1: all of those early episodes that had played in my
Speaker 1: mind and if and if this is a lie. This
Speaker 1: has got to be a lie. And at what at
Speaker 1: what point? And I would ask all the listeners this,
Speaker 1: at what point do you quit believing somebody when they
Speaker 1: lie to you? Is it after one lie? Two lies?
Speaker 1: How many lies have to be told to you before
Speaker 1: you Okay, I've had enough. And when you can start
Speaker 1: pointing those out and punching holes in it, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought, well, maybe they'll grasp on. And so I
Speaker 1: kind of went through this little spill of of what
Speaker 1: I had learned up to that point, which you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know how comfortable I would be getting my
Speaker 1: thoughts and stuff together, and so uh, anyway that he was.
Speaker 1: They were like, okay, that's interesting. You don't believe none
Speaker 1: of that, do you? And this is this is where
Speaker 1: my faith was put to the test, And I said,
Speaker 1: I believe one hundred percent that we've been lied to.
Speaker 1: I believe that I serve a God who is such
Speaker 1: a great creator. If he would have wanted to make
Speaker 1: a round ball and have water stick to it, there
Speaker 1: is not a doubt in my mind that he could
Speaker 1: have created that. But the pages of my Bible, that's
Speaker 1: not what he said he created. And at this point
Speaker 1: in time. I hadn't looked into Enoch or anything else
Speaker 1: at this point in time. And uh, and I said,
Speaker 1: And they said, so you you're a flat earther. And
Speaker 1: I said the phrase biblical earth. I said, that has
Speaker 1: such a negative connotation to it. Let's let's say And
Speaker 1: I said, I believe it's something different. And so you know,
Speaker 1: it got quiet for two or three hours, and then
Speaker 1: I done forgot which one. I ask, well, well, what
Speaker 1: what what is? How do you explain eclipses? And they've
Speaker 1: been back there on their phone googling, you know, flat
Speaker 1: earth and this and that, And I said, guys, I'm
Speaker 1: still learning a lot of it. I said, there's you know,
Speaker 1: how they were wanting to know about if the Earth
Speaker 1: is flat, how can there be you know, how can
Speaker 1: the sun get around the Earth? And I knew that
Speaker 1: And and these guys that have devoted their life to
Speaker 1: this teaching, forgive me. Is it David Weiss who has
Speaker 1: the the app or the map that shows how the
Speaker 1: sun can move inside the farm and the moon and
Speaker 1: you know it can it can you know basically on
Speaker 1: that gleasing map you know, illuminate everything. And and so anyway,
Speaker 1: they started hitting me with questions, and it would be
Speaker 1: like every two hours it would just be this random question,
Speaker 1: well what about this? What about that? What about? And
Speaker 1: it was just kind of this back and forth. And
Speaker 1: forgive me, I don't remember all the details of the
Speaker 1: conversation that you know, we go out there and hunt,
Speaker 1: and of course this was hilarious. The house we were
Speaker 1: staying at had a literally george a floor to ceiling
Speaker 1: map of the world. It was it was, you know,
Speaker 1: rolled out like you've seen in the schools, and you know, here,
Speaker 1: here is this map of the world. And of course
Speaker 1: that was I was sleeping in the basement with the
Speaker 1: other gentlemen and it was down there, and they come
Speaker 1: down there and just he hauled and they said, well,
Speaker 1: I guess that white border is going to be the
Speaker 1: ice wall. And you know, it was all this back
Speaker 1: and forth, but it was all in all in good fun.
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. If you can't talk about
Speaker 1: the idea of a biblical earth or flat earth without
Speaker 1: getting mad, don't talk about it. If they if they laugh,
Speaker 1: laugh with them, if they cut up, cut up with them.
Speaker 1: But because as you dive deeper into this, you can
Speaker 1: hit them with stuff and then you can kind of
Speaker 1: laugh at them, and but it's it's about knowing, knowing
Speaker 1: who you're with. But uh, you know, fast, you know,
Speaker 1: fast forward through that trip, the hunting trip, and on
Speaker 1: the way back, it was like every couple hours they
Speaker 1: were hitting me with something. So I had obviously you know,
Speaker 1: planet planet a seed with them. And then I you know,
Speaker 1: I got to work and I started listening to the
Speaker 1: podcast some at work and some employees heard it, uh,
Speaker 1: and they were like, yeah, I'm on board with that.
Speaker 1: And and side note here with the younger generation, it's
Speaker 1: amazing how many of our younger generation may not be
Speaker 1: believe in a biblical earth, but they one hundred percent
Speaker 1: believe man never went to the moon.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, and so I think, I think that's
Speaker 1: a good starting point with some people. But then I've
Speaker 1: just went you know, like like the friend I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: I pretty much went full fledged fire hose on him
Speaker 1: and said, you know this, this is what I'm struggling with.
Speaker 1: I believe we've been lied to. I believe the sun
Speaker 1: and the moon and the stars are inside the firmament.
Speaker 1: I believe we're on this firm foundation. I don't think
Speaker 1: the firmament's ever left and when you start and in
Speaker 1: his response, and I don't know if it was your
Speaker 1: podcast or somebody else, And he was based like Chris
Speaker 1: with with working fifty hours a week and a wife
Speaker 1: that works fifty hours a week and two teenage boys.
Speaker 1: I don't have time to dive into that stuff. I know, Jesus,
Speaker 1: I want to keep sharing. Jesus, I think that's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And and he don't he doesn't know this, but you
Speaker 1: know his next comment was, he said, you need to
Speaker 1: be careful who you share this with because it could
Speaker 1: affect your influence, your reputation if people really believe and
Speaker 1: understand this when I say this. We're close enough friends
Speaker 1: that we are like brothers. And if there was something
Speaker 1: in his life, I would love him enough to tell him,
Speaker 1: and he would tell me. And he said, because you
Speaker 1: could say that to the wrong person and just you know,
Speaker 1: basically be labble to quack. He said, you could really
Speaker 1: lose a lot of influence. And you know, I couldn't help,
Speaker 1: but go back. We talked about persecution. But I was
Speaker 1: I sitting out here on the porch that night, staring
Speaker 1: at the staring at the moon, while I'm having this
Speaker 1: conversation with him, you know, And there was a little
Speaker 1: part of me that thought, well, is you know somebody
Speaker 1: I love dearly that don't know he's you know, throwing
Speaker 1: some darts at me, but he loves me enough that
Speaker 1: he's telling me what he thinks, and that much I appreciate.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to let that stop me. And
Speaker 1: I think I you know, in that original email that
Speaker 1: I sent you several months ago, just to thank you
Speaker 1: for what you were doing, you know, it wound up
Speaker 1: leading me to such a strong belief that we've been
Speaker 1: lied to that, like you alluded to on a prior podcast,
Speaker 1: we had the conversation in about four or five weeks
Speaker 1: of Wednesday night classes. We started with Genesis, and you know,
Speaker 1: we and you know the very beginning of the Book
Speaker 1: of Genesis. In the beginning, God created the heavens in
Speaker 1: the earth. So right off of the bat, the reader
Speaker 1: has to make a decision do I believe in science
Speaker 1: or do I believe in what God says? And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever heard this, I don't think
Speaker 1: this idea was original with me, but but I'm going
Speaker 1: to share it to you, share it with you right now.
Speaker 1: So you know, when you ask somebody what the Earth
Speaker 1: looks like, you know their mind goes back to the
Speaker 1: globe in the classroom, the blue marble, whatever, whatever picture
Speaker 1: of Earth you want it to look like your program
Speaker 1: because of the globe. And you know that comes a
Speaker 1: parent in the early episodes where y'all are talking about that,
Speaker 1: because once you see it everywhere, you literally see it
Speaker 1: everywhere now And I don't think I ever touched on that.
Speaker 1: When Jason sent me those text messages and I noticed
Speaker 1: they were on four eighteen and four twenty, the day
Speaker 1: I didn't respond was April the nineteenth. And then as
Speaker 1: you start having these rabbit holes and learn what you know,
Speaker 1: April nineteenth is yeah. I was like, you know that
Speaker 1: that day didn't mean nothing to me. I started down this,
Speaker 1: but but you get so this is the little experiment.
Speaker 1: I may have heard this on your podcast, but I
Speaker 1: would challenge the listeners right now if I said, in
Speaker 1: your mind picture the Last Supper or Jesus institutes the
Speaker 1: Lord's Supper, I would dare to say that right now
Speaker 1: most people are probably thinking of I think it was
Speaker 1: Da Vinci that painted the Last Supper with you know,
Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary leaning on him, and or not the
Speaker 1: Virgin Mary Mary Magdalene leaning on him, and everybody's on
Speaker 1: the same out of the table, because that's the painting
Speaker 1: that's been out there forever, and that's that's the picture
Speaker 1: that's in everybody's mind. So when I when I presented
Speaker 1: that question to the class that night, that okay, close
Speaker 1: your eyes and think of think of the Last Supper.
Speaker 1: And then I said, is this what come to your mind?
Speaker 1: Every hand in the classroom went up, Well, why is that?
Speaker 1: Because that's what you were programmed to think, that's what
Speaker 1: you've seen. So let's let's take all the notions of
Speaker 1: of what you think the earth looks like, and let's
Speaker 1: look at it from a biblical perspective. And so we
Speaker 1: had we had three or four weeks, well four or
Speaker 1: five weeks excuse me of diving in and looking at
Speaker 1: that topic. But I didn't just fire hose the class
Speaker 1: with it. You know, I had to set it up
Speaker 1: to get to that point. You know, the question that
Speaker 1: I ask in every class was I would always, in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form, you know, ask do you
Speaker 1: think those people were were not as intelligent as us?
Speaker 1: When we're talking about the Old Testament scriptures, and in
Speaker 1: hands down the answer was always no, no, no, they
Speaker 1: they some you know some of that, you know, Abraham
Speaker 1: know you know these guys talk directly with God, you know.
Speaker 1: They you know, God was you know, dwelt among them
Speaker 1: in some sense. And the patriarchs would you know, they
Speaker 1: they fully knew because where we just have scripture that
Speaker 1: that is living and breathing and sharper than to it
Speaker 1: edge sword, they they had God there, you know. And
Speaker 1: in New Testament days, the Jesus the word is self
Speaker 1: dwelt among them. So no, there's there's no way. And
Speaker 1: then when you get to the you know, the text
Speaker 1: that everybody wants to go to, which is a great text,
Speaker 1: you know, Joshua, you know the Sun and Moon stand still.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, they were like, well, that's
Speaker 1: just the way they understood it. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: y'all are the same class that for four weeks have
Speaker 1: said that they were more. They even used examples like
Speaker 1: they built the pyramids, they did this, They did that
Speaker 1: without any tools, So no, they weren't dumb. And I said,
Speaker 1: so you're rationale for believing that is that it's just
Speaker 1: the way they understood it. Well, yeah, because it looks
Speaker 1: like the sun rises and it looks like the sun sets,
Speaker 1: and it's what they would have interpreted it to be.
Speaker 1: And I said, they're inspired writers. God could have just
Speaker 1: as easily said Earth stands still, Earth, you know, quit moving.
Speaker 1: But why didn't he say that? What it's because it
Speaker 1: goes against the rest of scripture that the earth is
Speaker 1: on foundations, it shall not be moved, you know, the
Speaker 1: the universe. You know it was the Genesis two to one.
Speaker 1: I think you know it was completed. It was finished,
Speaker 1: it was over and well and you can see their
Speaker 1: wheels turning that they don't want to say okay. But
Speaker 1: the one that gets me. And I don't know how
Speaker 1: this this text, and this is where I say, I'm
Speaker 1: always learning. But if you've got your Bible and want
Speaker 1: to go there Isaiah thirty eight eight mentions it. But
Speaker 1: first Kings twenty verses nine through eleven, And I here again,
Speaker 1: like I said, when you think you no, you know
Speaker 1: it all, you don't, the Bible humbles Yet I wish
Speaker 1: I would have had this verse because to me, when
Speaker 1: people last for you know, the six silver bullets, what's
Speaker 1: the number one proof to me, I think this verse
Speaker 1: is going to come to the top of my list.
Speaker 1: It this is excuse me, Second Kings, chapter twenty, verse
Speaker 1: starting in verse nine. Then Isaiah said, this is the
Speaker 1: sign to you from the Lord, that the Lord will
Speaker 1: do the thing which he has spoken. And he asked him,
Speaker 1: shall the shadow go four to ten degrees or backward
Speaker 1: ten degrees? And Hezekia answered genius answer, I think are
Speaker 1: here it's easy for it's easy thing for the shadow
Speaker 1: to go down ten degrees, because Son's going that way anyway.
Speaker 1: And he says, no, you know, asking and I'm reading
Speaker 1: out of the New Kings Jane version and it says,
Speaker 1: but let the shadow go backwards ten degrees. Uh. So
Speaker 1: Isaiah the prophet cried out to the Lord and brought
Speaker 1: the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone
Speaker 1: down on the sun dial of they has And here again,
Speaker 1: I have been blessed to have been born and raised
Speaker 1: in the church, you know, almost fifty years of my
Speaker 1: life now. And somehow that verse has either been skimmed over,
Speaker 1: read over, not elaborated on or something. But it's it's
Speaker 1: just like the one in Joshua where sun and moon
Speaker 1: stands still there's to me, there's no way the reader
Speaker 1: can mistranslate that the sun went back? Did the Earth
Speaker 1: stop and go back? Because you know, if you want
Speaker 1: to believe in science, you know that scientifically, if the
Speaker 1: Earth was to come to a stop and rotate backwards,
Speaker 1: what that's gonna do? I just uh and and and
Speaker 1: let me let me say this that you know, the
Speaker 1: the class of people that that I have the privilege
Speaker 1: to I hate to say teach, but I lead and
Speaker 1: thought is what I try to do because that's what
Speaker 1: I want to provoke. Thinking is a class of about
Speaker 1: twenty five people. On a good night, we may have thirty.
Speaker 1: Most of them are age fifty five to college age.
Speaker 1: And you know they're a very they're very They study
Speaker 1: their Bible, is what I'm trying to say. And when
Speaker 1: you can challenge them on these things that they haven't
Speaker 1: heard from a pulpit, haven't really dwelt on people that
Speaker 1: normally don't speak out in class. After we started this session,
Speaker 1: you know, I would get text messages that say, you
Speaker 1: have you know, thank you for making me think. We've
Speaker 1: wondered about this check out. You know, this podcast's what
Speaker 1: turned me on to the to the Bible Mysteries guy,
Speaker 1: because the very first episode is talking about the Earth
Speaker 1: and its creation and you know the idea that maybe
Speaker 1: this earth was created for angels. First, again, I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily agree with everything that these guys say, but they
Speaker 1: provoke a lot of thought, and something they say may
Speaker 1: link a piece of something together that I've heard somewhere
Speaker 1: else that makes it makes perfect sense. I would I
Speaker 1: would encourage more listeners that if they have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to teach, and they're comfortable in front of a crowd,
Speaker 1: and if you're comfortable saying I don't know the answer
Speaker 1: to that, I'm just gonna speak where the Bible speaks,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be silent or it's silent if it
Speaker 1: don't engage some thought to make people go, well, is
Speaker 1: is Nasaaliine? Have I been lying to you the whole time?
Speaker 1: Then then what's the purpose? I would invite them back
Speaker 1: to the original.
Speaker 3: Why the lie?
Speaker 1: And you know who is who is really ruling you know,
Speaker 1: ruling this world that you know that we call earth? Uh,
Speaker 1: it's the Prince of Darkness. It's it's Satan. He's using
Speaker 1: every tactic he has to take people farther and farther
Speaker 1: and farther away from the truth. That's just what I believe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the proverbial nail on the head, right there is.
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm quick to show people. The verses
Speaker 5: in the Bible, whether it's in Ephesians two, Ephesians six,
Speaker 5: Second Corinthians, of course, the big one John eight four
Speaker 5: to four. There's many examples about Satan. He is going
Speaker 5: to deceive the whole world. He can't create anything, but
Speaker 5: he lies and he perverts, and that's the greatest tool
Speaker 5: he has is deception. And the problem you have is
Speaker 5: people traditionally do not like change. They like to be
Speaker 5: creatures of habit and I think subconsciously they know if
Speaker 5: they take this information in it's going to wholesale change
Speaker 5: their lives. But I think what they don't understand is
Speaker 5: how it changes it for the good and how in
Speaker 5: many ways for people to save their lives. Right that,
Speaker 5: they start, well, maybe I should question everything. Oh well,
Speaker 5: maybe the this vaccine isn't a good ITEA, maybe this,
Speaker 5: maybe that, And we live in a world that is
Speaker 5: full of deceit, and we should absolutely one question everything.
Speaker 5: You also made a great point. I don't remember who
Speaker 5: brought it up before. I don't know if it was
Speaker 5: on this podcast or not, but the whole Da Vinci
Speaker 5: with the the Last Supper. Even when I remember when
Speaker 5: I heard it for the first time, I think I
Speaker 5: actually heard it on another podcast or YouTube channel. Even
Speaker 5: when you research it on Google, if you ask it
Speaker 5: a question, it'll always the AI will always refer back
Speaker 5: to the image of Da Vinci. Not that correct me
Speaker 5: if I'm wrong, But it was like a U shaped table,
Speaker 5: and traditionally I do know this that the host never
Speaker 5: sat in the middle, and I think he sat between Jesus,
Speaker 5: sat between John and Judas, yes, but on the end,
Speaker 5: not in the middle of the table right right.
Speaker 1: And I've heard other people mention this show, but the
Speaker 1: idea of that that's the only picture I had ever
Speaker 1: seen of the Last Supper. So, you know, even today
Speaker 1: when I catch myself a lot of times when you know,
Speaker 1: when I'm taking communion and I get my mind going
Speaker 1: back to the cross a lot of times if if
Speaker 1: there is you know, maybe maybe some kind of distraction.
Speaker 1: You know, we're blessed to have a lot of young
Speaker 1: children in our congregation, and maybe one of them, you know,
Speaker 1: crying out or something which babies in church is a
Speaker 1: good thing. Take take your crying babies to church. Church
Speaker 1: a church. Yeah, they need to be there, teach them early.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times my mind will go back
Speaker 1: to Jesus instituting the Lord's Supper in Matthew, maybe even
Speaker 1: First Corinthians, Paul's account to the Corinthians and read what
Speaker 1: is said, and I'll catch my mind going back to
Speaker 1: the Da Vinci paint and I'll go Chris, you know
Speaker 1: it's not that way. But I've heard a few people
Speaker 1: mentioned this show to you. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: watched it or not, because it's it's really hard to
Speaker 1: find what I would call good wholesome TV. But the
Speaker 1: series The Chosen, Uh. I will give that my endorsement
Speaker 1: until I hear something bad on them. They they they
Speaker 1: do take liberties of filling in the gaps and adding
Speaker 1: some other stories there with it, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they get away from the core of the Bible. And
Speaker 1: we're we're not fully caught up on the series because
Speaker 1: we watch it, you know, free on the app or whatever.
Speaker 1: But you know, the other the other night they were
Speaker 1: or the actually I think it's season five. They're they're
Speaker 1: in the upper room as as you know that with
Speaker 1: the Last Supper, and it is just what you said,
Speaker 1: the U shaped table in that you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: five disciples down one side, five down the other Jesus
Speaker 1: and this is in the center with John and Judas
Speaker 1: on each side. So it's uh it when I asked
Speaker 1: you to close your eyes and remember that those that
Speaker 1: have watched that series may go to that picture. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just what we've been ingrained to
Speaker 1: believe because we've seen it with their eyes or you know,
Speaker 1: we think we heard it with their ears. But like
Speaker 1: Jesus said, when that veil is removed, you can you
Speaker 1: can see clearly. And again I would, you know, say
Speaker 1: go to go to God in prayer and ask for
Speaker 1: that veil to be removed. Help help him to help
Speaker 1: you see the truth. You know. It's it's the conviction
Speaker 1: in people when you look at conviction is such a
Speaker 1: strong word. When when those when those men and women
Speaker 1: on the Day of Pentecost and Acts chapter two realized
Speaker 1: that it was Jesus the Messiah, they had crucified. It
Speaker 1: says they were cut to the heart. That's still the
Speaker 1: power of the gospel today when they realize who Jesus is,
Speaker 1: that he can still cut you to the heart with
Speaker 1: his love and what he done for us. You know,
Speaker 1: he has men and brethren, what shall we do? And
Speaker 1: Peter said, arise and be baptized, you know know. And
Speaker 1: it goes on to Satan that day, you know five
Speaker 1: I think it's five thousand souls. I should have this memorized,
Speaker 1: but I don't. But but it's it's the fact of
Speaker 1: that conviction being being cut to the heart, that that
Speaker 1: veil has been removed and they have seen Jesus will
Speaker 1: put it on the biblical earth perspective, when when you
Speaker 1: take the veil of the globe away, and the veil
Speaker 1: of everything that you've been taught about, the moon and
Speaker 1: outer space and the blackness of space and things, you
Speaker 1: can you can realize then that that it's God is
Speaker 1: is literally right up above us. He's he's he's here,
Speaker 1: He's close. God is omnipresent, he he you know, Satan
Speaker 1: doesn't have that advantage. Satan has to deceive others and
Speaker 1: lead others astray so that they may lead you astray,
Speaker 1: whether that's through TV, whether that's through music, whether that's
Speaker 1: through movies, what, whatever the case may be, Satan has
Speaker 1: to have agents to be everywhere where God doesn't. He
Speaker 1: is omnip present, He's everywhere. We can go to him
Speaker 1: now in prayer anywhere. And that's that should be a
Speaker 1: beautiful comforting fact. Uh, to the to the reader, I think, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great point. I know this is overkill,
Speaker 5: but I've even made it. I pulled out my compass
Speaker 5: one night, I said, which way is north? And I
Speaker 5: always pray north now before I go to bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, and it's and it's funny that
Speaker 1: and I say this, I've got those little I guess
Speaker 1: maybe they're called idosyncrasies. Yeah, yeah, you know that you're
Speaker 1: not commanded in scripture to look north and pray, but
Speaker 1: it makes you feel closer to God. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that everything, you know, because you could, in my mind,
Speaker 1: you could take that too far and say, well, it
Speaker 1: makes me feel closer to God to do this, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. But but internally, if if
Speaker 1: it if it's if it's not going against scripture, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you're taught to bow your head and pray,
Speaker 1: and you're taught to to out out of respect and
Speaker 1: and and majority of my prayers come from a bowl position.
Speaker 1: But George, there's been times where I have looked up
Speaker 1: to Heaven with tears in my eyes or with joy
Speaker 1: or with sorrow, whatever the case may be, and prayed
Speaker 1: looking up to my Father. And then there's been times
Speaker 1: I have been driven prostate down to my knees flat
Speaker 1: on the ground. So just I think the idea here
Speaker 1: is it is when you're when you're in prayer to God,
Speaker 1: you want you you want you know that you've got
Speaker 1: his attention. Give him your attention. I have caught myself
Speaker 1: so many times. You know the Bibles, We've had this
Speaker 1: conversation in the Wednesday night class, pray without ceasing. What
Speaker 1: does that look like? Is it? Is it? You know,
Speaker 1: at the stop sign you're trying to say a quick prayer.
Speaker 1: I agree that those are prayers, and they may count
Speaker 1: as prayers, but I don't feel that close connection with
Speaker 1: my Father through Christ. Because again, Christ is our mediator.
Speaker 1: He is our go between between us and the Father.
Speaker 1: And when you realize the sacrifice that He made so
Speaker 1: you can have that relationship with the Father and be
Speaker 1: called a child of God. Take enough time out of
Speaker 1: your day. The Bible says, go to your private place,
Speaker 1: your secret place, and and pray. Get away from all
Speaker 1: the cell phones, the worldly distray. And I'm preaching to
Speaker 1: self here too, get away from all of those distractions
Speaker 1: and have some one on one time with with the Father.
Speaker 1: And at different stages of your life. You may bow,
Speaker 1: you may look up, you may be driven to your knees. Uh,
Speaker 1: But but he is there.
Speaker 5: Amen. Great stuff. I did want to pull back on
Speaker 5: two things. Did you just have a few minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm I've got all day, brother, You're great, Okay.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to make sure and we're way backtracking.
Speaker 5: But I was just going over my notes again. I
Speaker 5: wanted to talk about something that you mentioned at this
Speaker 5: point an hour ago, but I overglossed it. And that's
Speaker 5: something that I think everybody should look into. It's called
Speaker 5: eminent domain, and you talked about that is quite a
Speaker 5: rabbit hole. There's a story that many people may not
Speaker 5: be aware of. It's called the Centralias conspiracy theory. And
Speaker 5: of course we'll drop the coin, the coin and in
Speaker 5: the jar of the conspiracy coin. This took place in Centralia, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you're familiar with it. But there
Speaker 5: was a longstanding theory that there was a mind fire
Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania and why it was done. It goes back
Speaker 5: to nineteen sixty two. After the mind fire, the various
Speaker 5: government agencies along with private businesses, they all conspired to
Speaker 5: get this valuable coal that was under the town. So
Speaker 5: what they did they had no choice but to leave
Speaker 5: their homes. I'm going to leave the link in the
Speaker 5: show notes for people, but you know, it's interesting here
Speaker 5: in the state of Delaware, we've seen eminent domain from
Speaker 5: highways and other ventures like that. We are very close
Speaker 5: with the family who Beckon the late seventies lost their
Speaker 5: farm due to eminent doname. And now people are very
Speaker 5: in this state are getting very upset. They've doubled tolls,
Speaker 5: they've doubled property taxes. And again I'm that guy who
Speaker 5: over analyzes everything, but it's you know, God gave all
Speaker 5: of us the earth, you know, go forth multiply, and
Speaker 5: now it's gotten to in just sixty five hundred years overall,
Speaker 5: two thousand years after Christ, that we don't even own
Speaker 5: the land that we call home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's you. This has been a soapbox that
Speaker 1: I have been owned forever because once, once you become
Speaker 1: a tax paying adult, really start to realize how much
Speaker 1: the government's taking. And if you're a small business business
Speaker 1: owner out there, you know, bless your heart, because they're
Speaker 1: gonna take even more. But I tell my family all
Speaker 1: the time here here in our county anyway, in Tennessee,
Speaker 1: property taxes are due to the last day of February.
Speaker 1: And you're delinquent. We're we're fortunate enough that we own
Speaker 1: our own house. But I said, you, you never truly
Speaker 1: own anything, because guess what if I don't, if I
Speaker 1: don't pay my property tax, they're gonna come take it.
Speaker 1: You know, if if you don't pay it, just you know,
Speaker 1: registration on your car exactly, your your your license, you know,
Speaker 1: uh you fill in the blank. And you know, people
Speaker 1: people for the most part, uh have no idea. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna sound the banner of the small
Speaker 1: business owner out there of you know, you may be
Speaker 1: open eight to five. They don't see you get there
Speaker 1: at six and then leave at seven or later, or
Speaker 1: phone ringing on the weekends or things like that. But
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the state of Tennessee, you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're collecting, you know, sales tax. In my case,
Speaker 1: I was collecting tire fees. You know, you've got property taxes.
Speaker 1: You've got you know something. For four twenty five years
Speaker 1: I done business at my granddad's old shop, and then
Speaker 1: we built a new one. When we built a new shop,
Speaker 1: I had a state inspector come in and said, I'm
Speaker 1: the buller inspector and I said, we don't have a buller.
Speaker 1: He said, well, you've got air compressors and they have
Speaker 1: to be certified. And I said, I've had them for
Speaker 1: twenty five years. Right down the road that the new
Speaker 1: building got somebody's attention. Well for the next you know,
Speaker 1: five years. Once a year, here comes the guy in
Speaker 1: to put a little sticker on the on the air
Speaker 1: compressor tank in the back, saying he's been he's checked it,
Speaker 1: and then saying, the state of tennessee one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars for that. Uh, you know it just everywhere
Speaker 1: you look, you're nickeled and down the desk. So between
Speaker 1: payroll taxes and property taxes or excuse me, payroll insurance,
Speaker 1: property taxes and everything. You know, I've heard people talk
Speaker 1: and I forget what the term is it's in what
Speaker 1: may when, like all of your taxes, you basically work
Speaker 1: five months out of the year paying taxes and then
Speaker 1: you get the seven months. Well, that just in my
Speaker 1: mind keeps getting worse, worse and worse, because I heard
Speaker 1: my uncle say years ago when they were trying to
Speaker 1: get a wheel tax voted in this county. He said,
Speaker 1: you never vote yourself in new taxes because they'll never
Speaker 1: take it away. And the taxes just you know, kept
Speaker 1: getting voted down, voted down, voted down, and then they
Speaker 1: took it away from the voters and put it in
Speaker 1: front of the commissioners, if I remember right, and the
Speaker 1: commissioners wound up voting it through. And so it's just
Speaker 1: it's just never ending. And of course that's that's another
Speaker 1: rabbit hole.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I had the privilege of leading the class and thoughts
Speaker 1: when it comes to, you know, the shape of our
Speaker 1: earth and what the Bible says and what man says.
Speaker 1: I also got to do it on Romans thirteen and
Speaker 1: govern And you know, I think I've heard you talk
Speaker 1: about and I've started listening it. One time. I think
Speaker 1: it's maybe a pastor Bald went out in Montana that
Speaker 1: that some you or somebody turned me on to them
Speaker 1: through a podcast about.
Speaker 5: How to callous Spell of Montana Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And Lord Wollman, we'll be out there in a few
Speaker 1: weeks going to Glacier. I'm looking forward to that. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: If you've never been there, everybody needs to go. But
Speaker 1: they said that he has a really good Again, this
Speaker 1: is interpretation. It's up to It's up to me to
Speaker 1: take the scripture and see what it says. But I
Speaker 1: know what the general consensus is says of Rowan's thirteen
Speaker 1: and how we should look at government, but I want
Speaker 1: to hear his version, and then, you know, I had
Speaker 1: a really good conversation via email with our preacher because
Speaker 1: I typically have I typically do better through writing or
Speaker 1: email because I can get my thoughts down on paper
Speaker 1: or clearly, where sometimes I don't convey it good with voice.
Speaker 1: But he was talking about the three types of covenants
Speaker 1: that we have, uh, you know that are that are
Speaker 1: spiritual covenants, And it was the covenant we have with Christ,
Speaker 1: the covenant of marriage, uh, and the covenant with government.
Speaker 1: And you know, with with Christ, if that covenant is broke,
Speaker 1: it's not Christ who broke it. Uh, it's us the
Speaker 1: covenant of marriage, you know, if and and you can
Speaker 1: always come back to Christ. Uh. The way the Bible,
Speaker 1: you know, talks about marriage. You know, it even says
Speaker 1: in the Old Testament that God hates divorce. And you know,
Speaker 1: man was to have one wife. And when you talk
Speaker 1: about which is a touchy subject this day and age,
Speaker 1: but you've got to look at scripture for what it says.
Speaker 1: You know, the covenant of marriage, you know, by scripture
Speaker 1: the way that I read and understand scripture, the the
Speaker 1: guilty party of breaking that covenant, the innocent party is
Speaker 1: allowed to remarry where the guilty the guilty party no,
Speaker 1: based on scripture, they can repent and be forgiven, but
Speaker 1: sins has consequences. Again, if that goes against your belief, Uh,
Speaker 1: email me. Let's let's let's have a good conversation on marriage, divorce, remarriage.
Speaker 1: That's a whole nother topic. But I would rather, I
Speaker 1: would rather. I would rather have the topic and make
Speaker 1: sure somebody is going to heaven an inter right state
Speaker 1: of mind. And I didn't mean to get off on that.
Speaker 1: But the third one was government and the idea of
Speaker 1: you know, be subject to all authorities. Well, what my
Speaker 1: question to him was, what if what if government breaks
Speaker 1: that covenant? It's not it's not me, I'm paying the taxes.
Speaker 1: What if government makes that, you know, breaks that covenant?
Speaker 1: And so and and with with the idea of government,
Speaker 1: I dove into that in my own personal studies, reading
Speaker 1: everything else, I come to the and I didn't tell
Speaker 1: my family or nobody this. I didn't tell nobody till
Speaker 1: the Wednesday night I taught. I said, and it was
Speaker 1: after the election, but I said, I, in good conscience,
Speaker 1: will no longer vote because and again you can challenge
Speaker 1: me on this, George, that the people out there listening,
Speaker 1: can this is the conclusion I come to. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I'm right, this is what I have come to.
Speaker 1: So I need guidance on this. But if God ordains government,
Speaker 1: and I even went back to the point, if I'm
Speaker 1: wrong on this one, let me know. But God's people
Speaker 1: were ruled by God until they decided they wanted a
Speaker 1: king and King Saul. And ever since King sauls God's
Speaker 1: people has been under some kind of government, whether it's
Speaker 1: you know, the Israelites through the years, you know, with
Speaker 1: under a king or under captivity or one under whatever,
Speaker 1: and then you fast forward to the New Testament being
Speaker 1: under Rome. But we were always subject to some kind
Speaker 1: of government before Saul, we were just subject to God.
Speaker 1: So if God, God ordains governments and gives them power,
Speaker 1: if I cast my vote against and this may sound
Speaker 1: un to people, but if I cast my vote against
Speaker 1: somebody in office, am I technically voting against God? What
Speaker 1: God has ordained? My answer to that would be yes,
Speaker 1: I have. And I thought, I've just got a violation
Speaker 1: of conscience. Now when it comes to elections. After looking
Speaker 1: at the scriptures, and I've had people tell me, Chris,
Speaker 1: you're looking at them too deep. We have our constitution.
Speaker 1: Our constitution says that we that we can vote, and
Speaker 1: this is how we get new people in and out.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, the Bible says the ordained by God.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying if your vote, if you're voting,
Speaker 1: you're committing a sin. I just think that there's a
Speaker 1: higher power involved in your votes. Absolutely the useless. It's
Speaker 1: decided before you ever get there. Again, that's Chris Barrat's opinion,
Speaker 1: nobody else's. But when it comes to when it comes
Speaker 1: to that, my next question was well, that document also
Speaker 1: says I can form a well regulated militia and change it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know, so you can't have it both ways. So
Speaker 1: I go back and I'm gonna try to remember. I
Speaker 1: think it's First Timothy two, and I'm just gonna paraphrase scripture.
Speaker 1: I think it's First Timothy two, probably somewhere around verse ten.
Speaker 1: Maybe it says that the authorities just don't let me
Speaker 1: butcher scripture. I'm sorry, George, I know, but this is
Speaker 1: where this is where I came to my conclusion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right here, First Timothy two is starting in verse one.
Speaker 1: Therefore I exert exhort first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions,
Speaker 1: and giving of thanks be made for all men. That's
Speaker 1: that's everybody on the earth, for kings and all who
Speaker 1: are in our authority. So pray for our leaders, obviously.
Speaker 1: And then why are we doing that? That we may
Speaker 1: lead a quiet, peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
Speaker 1: For this is good and exceptable in the sight of God,
Speaker 1: our savior, who think goes on talk about who desires
Speaker 1: men everywhere to be safe. So if we can lead
Speaker 1: what I gleaned from that, if we can lead a quiet,
Speaker 1: peaceable life that gives us the opportunity if we've got
Speaker 1: good rulers to spread the Gospel of Christ. And it's
Speaker 1: hard to lead a good, peaceable life when you have
Speaker 1: to work five months out of the year to pay taxes.
Speaker 1: And I know taxes have their purpose and everything else.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying abotish I'm doing away with them, although
Speaker 1: that may not be a bad idea. But the dirty
Speaker 1: secret they don't want anybody to know is the more
Speaker 1: you work, the more money you make, the more you're
Speaker 1: gonna pay. And it's just this cycle that gets you
Speaker 1: so plugged into maybe that society norms, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's just taking you further and further away from God.
Speaker 1: You know how many people out there can honestly say
Speaker 1: they're living a why and peaceable life. Maybe if you
Speaker 1: turned off the TV or get a little quater, a
Speaker 1: little bit more peaceable, but I don't know. Again, I'm
Speaker 1: apologize for getting off on my soapbox.
Speaker 5: No, that's it's an important topic. That's why I bring
Speaker 5: it up. And I always say, if you're the president
Speaker 5: of the United States, you have the most powerful microphone
Speaker 5: in the world, and isn't it sad that we don't
Speaker 5: have a guy out there every Saturday night on the
Speaker 5: radio like back in the day the president would talk
Speaker 5: just you know, every Saturday, every Sunday, whatever, just preached
Speaker 5: a message. And you know, we're a Christian nation, we
Speaker 5: follow Jesus Christ. And what it just frustrates me to
Speaker 5: see people with that much right, that much power, that
Speaker 5: much of an audience, and they fail to use it.
Speaker 5: And that's why I completely and again I was part
Speaker 5: of that. I was pulled in emotionally. We can't let
Speaker 5: the most evil woman in the world take over this country,
Speaker 5: so I'm going to put And then you've realized it's
Speaker 5: meet the new boss, same as the old boss, and
Speaker 5: they all answer to the same people. And then you
Speaker 5: start to understand that it's rules for thee, not for me.
Speaker 5: And then you keep digging deeper and deeper, and then
Speaker 5: you understand it's spiritual warfare and to me, like yourself
Speaker 5: and many other people, you know, biblical cosmology has opened. Right,
Speaker 5: You've really I thought I could see before, right, I
Speaker 5: was hit to nine to eleven in these things. And
Speaker 5: then you truly understand how great the lie is. And
Speaker 5: then that takes me to my final question for you
Speaker 5: is I guess this is where I'm at now? Right?
Speaker 5: You go back to Genesis six, verse four. I think
Speaker 5: it is when they talk about the Nephelem and it
Speaker 5: says that they were on the earth in those days
Speaker 5: and also afterward, and you know, you think about the
Speaker 5: conspiracies like nine to eleven, like burning all those men,
Speaker 5: women and children in Waco in ninety three, you know,
Speaker 5: insert you know, bringing freedom to iraqis through bombings and
Speaker 5: those type of things, and you realize, you know, people
Speaker 5: like you and I, even people I don't get along with,
Speaker 5: we all have that switch right that these crimes that
Speaker 5: these people commit are they of the seed of Satan?
Speaker 5: Is this a seed war? Are they trying to exterminate us?
Speaker 5: Are they trying to alter God's seeds? You see mRNA technology,
Speaker 5: you see GMO technology on the foods that we eat.
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts on all that?
Speaker 1: So let me take a note right here because I
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on something that has been
Speaker 1: it's it's white on my mind the last two weeks
Speaker 1: preparing for this, because it was like something revealed to me,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, Yeah, sure, but let
Speaker 1: let me let me address that. So when when I
Speaker 1: read this proverb, think about your government or your our government.
Speaker 1: I'm in Proverbs chapters and if you start at verse twelve,
Speaker 1: the heading in my Bible, it's got the wicked man.
Speaker 1: But if you skip down to verse sixteen, it says
Speaker 1: these six things the Lord hates. So don't gloss that over.
Speaker 1: If God hates something, you better stand up and take
Speaker 1: notice and beware. And then it goes on to say, yes,
Speaker 1: seven are an abomination to him. Look at number one,
Speaker 1: a proud look every presidential picture to me, and maybe
Speaker 1: again I don't know the sincerity of their heart, but
Speaker 1: how many times have you seen our current president, our
Speaker 1: former president have that proud look about them?
Speaker 5: About the pictures I've seen of them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, every one. So I think that box has checked
Speaker 1: Number two a lying tongue. Again. You know, we know
Speaker 1: that the Satan is the father of lies. And you
Speaker 1: can just if you've turned on the news for five
Speaker 1: seconds in the last month, it's been Epstein's are going
Speaker 1: to be released. No, they're not. Forget this, forget that
Speaker 1: it's lies every day, hands that shed innocent blood. Just
Speaker 1: what you talked about with with wars. You know, why
Speaker 1: are we going to you know, to war in You know,
Speaker 1: my father in law served, you know, twenty three years military.
Speaker 1: Have the greatest respect in the in the world for him.
Speaker 1: He passed away way too soon after he retired.
Speaker 5: But I'm sorry, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Just again, just I appreciate that, Thank you, but a
Speaker 1: phenomenal man. I wish everybody could have a father in
Speaker 1: law like I was blessed to have with with the
Speaker 1: time I had him. But you know, hands that shed
Speaker 1: innocent blood when you start going down the rabbit holes
Speaker 1: of the World War two, I mean one of the
Speaker 1: things that Jason sent me, because Jason's eyes had been
Speaker 1: open for a long time. Everything's a rich man's trick
Speaker 1: if you haven't checked that out, checked that out. But
Speaker 1: you can start at least World War two and come
Speaker 1: up through the tiwers falling and see hands that shed
Speaker 1: innocent blood. And why the people that have come up
Speaker 1: with enough evidence to present a case you know that
Speaker 1: you know that the world's under somebody else's control because
Speaker 1: there's just too much condemning evidence out there to turn
Speaker 1: the blind eye to it. Not ask a question why
Speaker 1: so a lying tongue excuse me hands that shed innocent blood.
Speaker 1: And then look at eighteen verse eighteen. A heart that
Speaker 1: devises wicked plans, it's that all the time, feet that
Speaker 1: are swift and running to evil, a false witness who
Speaker 1: speaks lies, and one who sows discord among the brethren.
Speaker 1: And you look at that in Proverbs. If you want
Speaker 1: to talk of it, brethren in a worldly sense. That's
Speaker 1: what the news does. It sows discord. You've said it
Speaker 1: a million times. You know you've got left or right.
Speaker 1: There is nothing else, So you look at the discord.
Speaker 1: Those things that God hates is what our government is.
Speaker 1: And that's that's just again. Part of the problem today
Speaker 1: is nobody wants to offend anybody. And I heard a
Speaker 1: preacher say one time, he said if when he was
Speaker 1: preaching from the pulpit, he said, if I'm stepping on
Speaker 1: your toes, I'm sorry. I was aiming for your heart.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got to have some conviction and and
Speaker 1: be fearless when it comes to the Word of God
Speaker 1: and sharing it. And if it offends somebody, let him know.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be this arrogant prick. I love
Speaker 1: you and I want to see you in heaven and
Speaker 1: and this this isn't right. And I want you to
Speaker 1: keep me in check and love me enough and come
Speaker 1: tell me if if I'm not living the way I
Speaker 1: should should should live. We we should have that kind
Speaker 1: of communication you know amongst our brethren, uh, that we
Speaker 1: can we can go to each other. And you know,
Speaker 1: later on in the New Testament it says, if you've
Speaker 1: got fault against your brother, you don't go to social
Speaker 1: media and say, guess what so and so did to
Speaker 1: me today. No, the Bible says you go to your brother.
Speaker 1: And then if it says he won't have you, what
Speaker 1: do you do. You don't go to social media again
Speaker 1: and complain. You take somebody else with you and then
Speaker 1: you go and confront that brother. And if these still
Speaker 1: won't hear you, I think this is a beautiful statement.
Speaker 1: It says you bring it before the church, or bring
Speaker 1: it before you know, the congregation, if you will. And
Speaker 1: that's the idea of family, a community that is together
Speaker 1: as one. And I'm not naive to think that everybody's
Speaker 1: going to be in agreement. I mean, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sugarcoat it. The churches across this
Speaker 1: world are full of people that have disagreements. I would
Speaker 1: say in our congregation of you know, potentially of about
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty people, when it comes to the
Speaker 1: idea of biblical earth, that there may be fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty that would agree with me. There may and that's
Speaker 1: not saying I'm right. They just agree with my person.
Speaker 1: There may be only four or five that would stand
Speaker 1: up and proclaim it. But I think the other's faith
Speaker 1: will come along. But does that mean that the other
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty don't love me, don't support me,
Speaker 1: don't agree with me. No, they'll sit there and they
Speaker 1: will listen to what I've said, and they'll be like
Speaker 1: the Brians. They'll go to the scripture and they'll discern
Speaker 1: it for themselves, or they may not even think about
Speaker 1: it again. But that's the idea and the people I
Speaker 1: truly do. The people that don't have that kind of family,
Speaker 1: church family, I want to call it that, those that
Speaker 1: they can rely on and go to, I am so
Speaker 1: sorry you don't have that in your life, because it
Speaker 1: is to have a congregation of God's people that love
Speaker 1: the Lord first and then love me and want to
Speaker 1: see me get to heaven. That's something that too many
Speaker 1: people don't have, and that I hope and pray that
Speaker 1: they could all have. It's amazing to have that kind
Speaker 1: of support staff around you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is so important. And I know for many
Speaker 5: truth seekers they're introverts. Maybe that's because they feel that
Speaker 5: they've been lied to so much that they don't they
Speaker 5: can't trust anyone. But it's vitally important to have others
Speaker 5: to lean on because all of us have times of
Speaker 5: needs where we need help, you know, emotionally, whatever the
Speaker 5: case may be. Again, it's a twofold problem for many people.
Speaker 5: One is again they're introverts that don't trust people. Number Two, Uh,
Speaker 5: like the situation that's led me to doing what I'm
Speaker 5: doing is just there's not a lot of great doctionally,
Speaker 5: you know, foundational churches and.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and and and and that's and and that
Speaker 1: and that's tough. I mean, you know, so it's and
Speaker 1: I think I mean, again, kudos to you. I think
Speaker 1: it's a brave stance because if if you if you
Speaker 1: start the congregation, they're at your home or wherever you're
Speaker 1: going to start it at, and you have one person
Speaker 1: show up, and you get that one person to heaven,
Speaker 1: totally worth it. Absolutely if you if you have a
Speaker 1: thousand show up. Uh, and and none of them go
Speaker 1: to heaven. Yeah, yet you haven't accomplished anything. And and
Speaker 1: and what you hit the what you touched on there earlier,
Speaker 1: just because I know how my mind is Genesis six.
Speaker 1: There were giants in those days and also afterward when
Speaker 1: the sons of God came into the daughters of men
Speaker 1: and they bore children to them. Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is an original idea with me or not
Speaker 1: just in my I really this idea came to me
Speaker 1: through reading of the scripture. I'm not I know that
Speaker 1: I can't be the first person to have this idea,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I've ever had anybody else heard
Speaker 1: it discussed. But you know, I may get flooded with
Speaker 1: emails that go, yes, this guy has discussed or this
Speaker 1: or that, and if they have, send it to me.
Speaker 1: So when when we talked way back when when the
Speaker 1: podcast started about the timeline of the Bible and your opinion, Uh,
Speaker 1: where do you feel like job fits in? Because I
Speaker 1: struggle with this and I'll tell you where I'm going
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 5: That's that's a great question. Uh, we were just talking
Speaker 5: about this in our class last week because we we
Speaker 5: had to put together the chronological side of it, and
Speaker 5: that that is a great question, that that that what.
Speaker 1: Has asked God and I and I and I don't
Speaker 1: mean to ever put anybody on the spot with the question.
Speaker 1: So but here's in reading this the other night, because
Speaker 1: I love Job thirty eight. Uh, when when he's basically
Speaker 1: talking about the Creation account, I would, again, if you
Speaker 1: haven't read Job thirty eight in the Creation Account, read
Speaker 1: it through the end of the chapter. But you talk,
Speaker 1: I've read this, and this is I preached a lot
Speaker 1: out of this, uh, you know, and and leading the
Speaker 1: class in thought on you know what what he was said,
Speaker 1: And I got to say this, this has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with anything but verse three it says, now, prepare
Speaker 1: yourself like a man. I will question you. That's God
Speaker 1: talking to Job basically saying, okay, buddy, I'm fixing the question.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm paraphrasing obviously, but prepare yourself like a man.
Speaker 1: And that's again another soapbox I can get on. We
Speaker 1: need more godly men today that prepare themself like a man,
Speaker 1: or like men and lead. There's the God give us
Speaker 1: roles as men. He give women roles as women. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean a man's more important than a woman.
Speaker 1: We're both both valuable, both have jobs to do, but
Speaker 1: the men are tasked with a little bit more, I
Speaker 1: truly believe. But where I'm going with that when you
Speaker 1: read that out and talking about the giants and the nepheline,
Speaker 1: and I'm fresh off a study of Enoch that I've
Speaker 1: been in that book for about a week highlighting and
Speaker 1: circling things I probably aren't. I'll talk about the parts
Speaker 1: of it. If you've got something in particular, I would
Speaker 1: love to know your thoughts on it. I've been Enochous
Speaker 1: to me is a crucial book in helping to understand
Speaker 1: whether you think it's Kennon or not. The people. The
Speaker 1: people in the pages of the Holy Scripture obviously looked
Speaker 1: to the Book of Enoch for something. Now you can
Speaker 1: glean out of it what you want to. But I
Speaker 1: have found it fascinating. But where I was going with
Speaker 1: this job, I'm sorry, Job George. In job chapter forty two,
Speaker 1: here's just a random thought by Chris. Go to the
Speaker 1: chap last chapter verse forty two. Excuse me, Chapter forty two,
Speaker 1: Verse fifteen it says, and this is talking about Job,
Speaker 1: after everything that had been restored to him. It says,
Speaker 1: in all the land were found no women so beautiful
Speaker 1: as the daughters of Job, and their father gave them
Speaker 1: an inheritance among their brothers. And it goes on to
Speaker 1: say Job lived one hundred and forty years and saw
Speaker 1: his children and grandchildren for four generations. Job was old.
Speaker 1: So I've done the old Google thing. How old was
Speaker 1: Job when he died? Apparently? Well, what I seen in
Speaker 1: the Google machine that I used was he lived one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty years. He was believed to be. The
Speaker 1: principal idea I think here of what I was reading was, well,
Speaker 1: if Job was one hundred and forty years, God doubled everything.
Speaker 1: So in their mind, it's feasible to think that he
Speaker 1: was seventy when Satan came upon the earth and took
Speaker 1: everything away from him. And so Job was probably around
Speaker 1: two hundred and ten years old, and they think that
Speaker 1: that puts him somewhere around the patriarch age with Abraham. Exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: where my mind went was if you go back to
Speaker 1: Genesis six, there were giants in the earth in those days,
Speaker 1: and also afterward when the sons of God, which are
Speaker 1: are are the fallen angels, I truly believe, came into
Speaker 1: the daughters of men and they bore children to them, well,
Speaker 1: the Job's daughters. The Again that I can't prove this
Speaker 1: as fact. This is just Chris Barrett's opinion. What if
Speaker 1: to get back at God, because if you go back
Speaker 1: to the beginning of Job, it says, and I think
Speaker 1: this has glossed over a lot of times. You know,
Speaker 1: if you go back to Job one, this actually happens
Speaker 1: twice in chapter one. In chapter two, now, there was
Speaker 1: a day when the sons of God, there's that term
Speaker 1: again in Genesis six talking about those fallen angels came
Speaker 1: to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came
Speaker 1: among them. And then it said it echoes the same
Speaker 1: thing in two. So this again, rabbit Hole thought with Chris,
Speaker 1: I'd love George's opinion on it, or just dwell on it.
Speaker 1: If if Satan tempted Job, and Job never chose to
Speaker 1: curse God and died, then you know, you get to
Speaker 1: the end of the chapter and God has blessed him,
Speaker 1: blessed him with with beauty, you know, basically the most
Speaker 1: beautiful daughters in all the land? It would it be
Speaker 1: Would it be a fair thought or rabbit hole to
Speaker 1: go down to say that those nepheline, those giants, what
Speaker 1: better way could they get back at God by breeding
Speaker 1: with the daughters of Joel. I don't have no proofs
Speaker 1: of that, but you know it's I like things that
Speaker 1: challenge my thinking, and that one definitely challenged my thinking.
Speaker 1: You know, the parts that I have problems with is
Speaker 1: you know, Enoch is written in a pre flood context, idea.
Speaker 1: I also I also have the question of I was
Speaker 1: taught to believe, or inferred to believe, that it had
Speaker 1: never rained on the earth until until the flood happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's true anymore, because when when
Speaker 1: God says, just like the just like there was giants
Speaker 1: on the earth in those days, Moses didn't have to
Speaker 1: explain what giants was because the readers knew it. When Noah,
Speaker 1: when God told Noah it was going to rain on
Speaker 1: the earth, he didn't have to explain to and what
Speaker 1: rain was. He knew it. And so you know, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a passage in Enoch that talks about or
Speaker 1: excuse me and job that talks about the flood had
Speaker 1: wiped out some wicked men, and they believe that that
Speaker 1: passage leads you to think it was the flood of
Speaker 1: Noah that wiped out the wicked men, and therefore Job
Speaker 1: has to come after Noah. And then there's the uh,
Speaker 1: there's the idea of one of Job's friends being from
Speaker 1: a town that was a descendant named after one of
Speaker 1: basically Abraham's grandkids. Uh. So I can see how people
Speaker 1: would definitely put it in context of post Abraham. But
Speaker 1: the Bible goes on to say in Job that he
Speaker 1: was basically the wealthiest man in the East. And you know,
Speaker 1: there was not a man as good as Job in
Speaker 1: the East and all of the East. So I find
Speaker 1: that hard to put him in the Abraham Isaac Jacob,
Speaker 1: Joseph Timeline. Given the stories in Genesis, we know about them.
Speaker 1: So again, two years ago, three years ago. This is
Speaker 1: the beauty of this podcast and the work you're doing.
Speaker 1: Those questions never enter my mind. I just read it
Speaker 1: and gloss over it. If if the seed hadn't been
Speaker 1: planned to dive into my Bible deeper and look and
Speaker 1: so and I'm again I'm not saying I'm right and
Speaker 1: I very well could be wrong. I'm not saying it
Speaker 1: is fact and I believe it. I'm saying is I've
Speaker 1: still got some more studying to do. Because if Job,
Speaker 1: if God talks so highly about Job and he's in
Speaker 1: the Abraham timeline, those things in my mind don't And
Speaker 1: I'm a real simple person, so those things don't add
Speaker 1: up together in my mind, because you know, Abraham was
Speaker 1: from I think it was err and that was either
Speaker 1: far farther east than any came up and over and
Speaker 1: around and with the five Kings story and all that.
Speaker 1: So I've struggled with and looking I keep wanting to
Speaker 1: go to the tier of Bible because the things I've heard,
Speaker 1: and I haven't got around reading Jasper and jubileeze but
Speaker 1: the idea that it took three days to walk around
Speaker 1: the tower. You know, in Bible class, we made the
Speaker 1: back in the day when it was felt stuck on
Speaker 1: the board. You know, I can remember the little old
Speaker 1: tower that we would build and God come knocked it down.
Speaker 1: But now you hear it took you know, it was
Speaker 1: built on a plane, and that it took you know,
Speaker 1: three days to walk around and it took a year
Speaker 1: to a sin to the It just I'm like, those
Speaker 1: aren't Bible stories that I was, you know, it just
Speaker 1: it's a whole nother world of information out there that
Speaker 1: I think will help complete and bring the picture together.
Speaker 1: But then, George, I couldn't help but laugh, as I've
Speaker 1: in the last you know, a couple of weeks really
Speaker 1: studying Enoch. There's there's a central theme in there that
Speaker 1: I kept noticing that the aim. Every time Enoch would
Speaker 1: ask a question, if you'll notice one of the archangels
Speaker 1: would go, why are you wanting to know this? Why
Speaker 1: are you so? I can't kind of skip myself on guard,
Speaker 1: going do I need to be asking these questions? Right?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: That's funny.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I bought I saw a version on Amazon that was
Speaker 5: large sprint because my eyes aren't what they used to be,
Speaker 5: And then it said it came with the free audio version.
Speaker 5: I was like, great, I do a lot of driving around.
Speaker 5: But it's all it is is really a voice to
Speaker 5: text AI real poor version. It's really hard to listen to.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I guess if you if you do the
Speaker 5: addition and everything. If he was around at the time
Speaker 5: of the Patriarchs, Jacob Isaac Abraham you're you're talking about,
Speaker 5: I guess twenty twenty. And I remember when you Hauld
Speaker 5: mention that being in a military uniform standing outside the
Speaker 5: Cigarette of Her in Iraq, you know, the House of
Speaker 5: Abraham built, you know, as as a soldier, I felt
Speaker 5: so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that to me would be humbling. I've
Speaker 1: never had the opportunity to go to go over there
Speaker 1: and witness any of that, but I know some brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters that have, and they said, it's you know,
Speaker 1: obviously the topography and stuff's probably changed a lot, just
Speaker 1: to know that you're in that. Yeah, that place, it's
Speaker 1: something special that they had a hard time describing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. And people were taking pictures of it
Speaker 5: as they were, you know, if they were standing in
Speaker 5: front of the world, you know wherever, like a baseball
Speaker 5: stadium or something. I'm like, this is a shrine. This
Speaker 5: is you know, where it all began. And here I
Speaker 5: am standing there in my IOTV and an M four
Speaker 5: and all this other. I was like, man, what are
Speaker 5: we doing? Yeah, this is after two thousand or I
Speaker 5: guess it would be four thousand years. This is what
Speaker 5: we've been reduced to. But you made so many great
Speaker 5: points today. And by the way, I did include a
Speaker 5: link everything as rich Man's Trick documentary, which is on
Speaker 5: YouTube two million views. It's three and a half hours,
Speaker 5: so you may have to watch it in pieces. And also,
Speaker 5: you know, get to know true history, right, you know,
Speaker 5: I can't. I didn't question these things in high school
Speaker 5: or I guess college. I remember taking classes at Texas
Speaker 5: A and M was transitioning out of the military ten
Speaker 5: years ago and history two class had a paragraph on
Speaker 5: the USS liberty, like literally a paragraph.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then it's six seven years later, I'm interviewing two
Speaker 5: of the survivors and I'm like, wow, that's not what
Speaker 5: I read my history book.
Speaker 1: Right, And it's again, it's a testament to the work
Speaker 1: you do on the Fact Hunter podcast, because you know,
Speaker 1: I heard that first through you, and then somewhere along
Speaker 1: the way. It's amazing how many things that I have heard.
Speaker 1: I had never heard of bart Sebrel until I heard
Speaker 1: it on a podcast that you had done. You know,
Speaker 1: a funny thing happened on the way to the Moon,
Speaker 1: that's right, uh and so, and then not long after
Speaker 1: that he appeared on like Glenn Black, get Glenn back
Speaker 1: and Pat Gray. Of course. You know, I've heard you
Speaker 1: use the term gatekeepers there, and if i'd have heard
Speaker 1: that term before, I'd have probably never really thought about it.
Speaker 1: But but when somebody like you said, takes that veil
Speaker 1: from your eyes, you can when you watch those shows,
Speaker 1: you can see exactly what it is. And then, uh,
Speaker 1: somebody was talking about the USS liberty.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: It was actually a family member was talking about it,
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, did you hear that, you know,
Speaker 1: on George's podcast or something. It's like now, it was
Speaker 1: on Candace Jones or Candace Candace Owns excuse me? And uh,
Speaker 1: and I was like, uh, okay, So I went back
Speaker 1: and found that episode. But I thought it just I
Speaker 1: don't know, it makes me wonder if some of the
Speaker 1: bigger play and I don't have no idea how bigger
Speaker 1: platform is. I know it it goes around the world, right,
Speaker 1: that's right, but uh, as far as east is the West,
Speaker 1: I use Bible.
Speaker 5: Terms, we reach all four corners of the world.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, but uh, but you know, so it makes
Speaker 1: me wonder some of the larger platforms are are listening
Speaker 1: to what some of the smaller platforms and going, hey,
Speaker 1: he's onto something here, you know, and you know, start
Speaker 1: start bringing light to those things that have been in darkness,
Speaker 1: you know, because the light will always cut through the
Speaker 1: darkness and reveal the truth. That much is for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a certain homesteader that you can tell you
Speaker 5: listens to my podcast, because two days after it gets released,
Speaker 5: he'll do a video and talk about the same things. Like, bro,
Speaker 5: just give me a little little shout out. Man, You've
Speaker 5: got a huge audience. Yeah, but at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, as long as the information is getting out,
Speaker 5: that's all that really matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know, you present the truth the best
Speaker 1: you can. Uh, never get tired of learning and not
Speaker 1: being afraid to be wrong, you know, keep yourself in check.
Speaker 1: And then just you know, share share the good news.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's our job. Share the good news.
Speaker 5: Amen, share the good news. And by the way, I
Speaker 5: get emails share this podcast. I don't put it on
Speaker 5: your YouTube channel. You don't ever have to ask me
Speaker 5: for permission. Wow, what a conversation. It's been two hours
Speaker 5: and fifteen minutes, and I think that is proper for
Speaker 5: you know, with you being the final guests, and we've
Speaker 5: covered so many topics that are also important. Of course,
Speaker 5: the most important is sharing the gospel, something that should
Speaker 5: be at the forefront of everyone's mind. We should be
Speaker 5: as comfortable talking about that as we are talking about
Speaker 5: the baseball game last night. And then now that after
Speaker 5: two hundred and thirty some episodes, I think it's safe
Speaker 5: to say that the cosmology is important. Biblical cosmology is important.
Speaker 5: It's changed a lot of people's lives. So was there
Speaker 5: anything else that you wanted to touch on before we parted?
Speaker 1: Waste Cris and No, I sincerely appreciate and value your time.
Speaker 1: I value the listener's time. You know, there's you're like me,
Speaker 1: There's so many more things we could talk about, but
Speaker 1: for times sake, that's it. I look forward to what
Speaker 1: the future has in store for you. Continue to to
Speaker 1: keep up the good work on the other podcast. I
Speaker 1: appreciate the I think did you call it the shorts
Speaker 1: that are going to continue after this, where listeners can
Speaker 1: do like a fifteen minute thing.
Speaker 5: Well, we had an open form and we only had
Speaker 5: one short submitted, So yeah, we'll put on this will
Speaker 5: be the last interview. Then I'll kind of have a
Speaker 5: so long podcast in a few days and then we'll
Speaker 5: see if things settle down in the future, and maybe
Speaker 5: we can do one or two a month or something
Speaker 5: like that, but we'll see what the future holds.
Speaker 1: Got you, well, I certainly appreciate and value your time
Speaker 1: and the effort energy you've put on it. And I
Speaker 1: know you always give the guests the final word. But
Speaker 1: I feel like I've talked enough. If I could just
Speaker 1: close it out in prayer, that would mean a lot
Speaker 1: to me, and you know, to be able to do.
Speaker 5: That, I'd appreciate that, all right, Father and Heaven.
Speaker 1: We're indeed grateful for this opportunity you've blessed us with. Father,
Speaker 1: We're grateful that you have to veil from our eyes
Speaker 1: that we can see truth. Help us to never get
Speaker 1: complacent and where we are, help us to always aspire
Speaker 1: to test and prove all things. As the scripture says,
Speaker 1: we ask that you continue to be with George and
Speaker 1: his family. Bless their works, Bless their efforts as they
Speaker 1: try to draw more people to you in this world
Speaker 1: that so desperately needs it. Father, we thank you for
Speaker 1: this place that you created and give to us that
Speaker 1: we call Earth. We pray that we don't take it
Speaker 1: for granted. We pray that we can see you as
Speaker 1: the ultimate creator, the giver of all things good and
Speaker 1: most important, the giver of your son, your only begotten son, Jesus,
Speaker 1: and through him we may have salvation. In hoping you, Father,
Speaker 1: we just say we love you. We thank you for
Speaker 1: George and his heart and his ability to discern the
Speaker 1: truth and get the truth out there. Pray that you
Speaker 1: give him long life and your service. And again we
Speaker 1: just thank you for Jesus name. We pray Amen a man.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much for that. And God bless you
Speaker 5: and your family and all the success you had. And
Speaker 5: hopefully that affords you time to carry on and share
Speaker 5: the gospel and share the truth. You've got a gift.
Speaker 5: You should consider doing a podcast. I know, like you said,
Speaker 5: time is but I'll tell you what. You present yourself well,
Speaker 5: extremely well, and I'm very thankful that you took the
Speaker 5: time today to share your thoughts and your heart with
Speaker 5: the world. I appreciate it well.
Speaker 1: I'm humbled by that, George. I've never talked this long
Speaker 1: and this kind of format, so that from you, coming
Speaker 1: from you, that means a lot. Thank you, brother, I
Speaker 1: sincerely appreciate that.
Speaker 5: Thank you, God, bless and Chris and all the other
Speaker 5: hundreds of guests who have come on and shared their story,
Speaker 5: Thank you and God bless you. And as I studied before,
Speaker 5: I have no intention of removing this podcast as long
Speaker 5: as they keep it up before eventually the Fahrenheit four
Speaker 5: fifty one digital book boring the things that go against
Speaker 5: that they may so, I guess if you can download them,
Speaker 5: download them, but I have no intention of taking these down.
Speaker 5: And thank you so much Chris. To our listeners, God
Speaker 5: bless each and every one of you, remember keep your
Speaker 5: head on a swivel. And again, God bless every single
Speaker 5: one of you. And until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 5: we will see.
Speaker 3: I know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've
Speaker 3: had spain. I know you feeling tied. Tell down all
Speaker 3: the way? Yeah, I know you feel them A you smile.
Speaker 3: Ain't the same as where to go from here? I
Speaker 3: feel like you've lost your way.
Speaker 2: Don't give up, No, don't give in ever on this home.
Speaker 3: Don't let call the primise.
Speaker 5: It ain't done yet.
Speaker 3: He's got up, glad, Why it's away? Got up? May
Speaker 3: we come? Why? A right.
Speaker 6: Up?
Speaker 7: I can see the straight beside you. Child's are putting
Speaker 7: up five. Oh, you're stronger than anything. You are, guy,
Speaker 7: you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead valid, beautiful.
Speaker 3: You're shoving bride. Yeah, you're living, breathing, move you can
Speaker 3: hold your head a pie. Don't give up. Oh, don't
Speaker 3: give in?
Speaker 2: Never loos home? Don't they gone on the primies? It
Speaker 2: ain't Dunion's got a clay? Why some raintail? The God
Speaker 2: of maybe come, don't give up? No, don't give in
Speaker 2: you never love home. Don't let go on the primies.
Speaker 3: It ain't unlife.
Speaker 1: It's worth living.
Speaker 3: Why's your way town? The God up? Baby Colt? Why
Speaker 3: sur pray down? Got up steaming cold? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, what a pray down?
Speaker 4: The god baby Colt?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you got steamy Colt.
Speaker 6: Oh, don't give up, No, don't give in, never leave all.
Speaker 6: Don't let go of the primise men done? Yes, God
Speaker 6: a plan wa God of if it calls, and don't
Speaker 6: give no dog giving but never the soul. Don't let
Speaker 6: go of the primes.
Speaker 3: Gettin't done? Love is what living? What's the God of every?
Speaker 4: Cols?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: The God of need?
Speaker 3: Cos WHA's done? The God of
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