WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.559 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:29.239 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:29.879 the poll? 4 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:33.079 The question why. 5 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:40.479 The stories told and left behind in shadows? 6 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:43.079 Where the truth we find? 7 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:51.159 They built their tails on grafts and lives on theories. 8 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.159 They stake their designed. 9 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:02.759 Put down here on this solid graph. The answers scream, 10 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:09.040 They're all around, rise and break through. 11 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:15.359 All the lies. Fare Files on fun. 12 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.560 Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's 13 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:24.599 time for our final interview another edition of the Flat 14 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:28.519 Earth Files podcast. I'm your host, as always, George Hobbes. 15 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:33.040 Now we're recording. It's Tuesday afternoon, August nineteenth, twenty twenty 16 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:35.840 five here in the mid Atlantic region. It is seventy 17 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:40.480 two degrees. It's very unusual summer weather, but we're not complaining. 18 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:44.359 It's great. As we mentioned, this is our final interview 19 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:47.519 for the podcast. Now listen if things slow down in 20 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.480 the future, and may we revisit it. Sure, but our 21 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:55.719 plans are bigger, better things to come serving our Lord 22 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.280 and Savior Jesus Christ. And you know you just have 23 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.400 to follow God word and when he tells you to 24 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:05.879 do something, you better listen. But let's bring on today's 25 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:10.000 guest from the great state of Tennessee. Honored to have 26 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:12.560 on today's show, Chris. Chris, how are you, sir? 27 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:17.080 Hey, I'm doing great. Thank you, George, and the honor 28 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.639 is mine. I'm a little jealous you said seventy two 29 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:22.400 when you said that. I had to look it up. 30 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.360 It's ninety five here right now, and it says that 31 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:28.120 it feels like it's one hundred outside. So I'm glad 32 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.759 to be inside talking with you today. 33 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:34.919 Yeah, it was rather warm, but Sunday night storms rolled 34 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.199 in and the last two days hasn't even broke eighty 35 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:40.120 so we're blessed. But summer's not over. I'm sure it'll 36 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.719 catch back up to us. Let's get in today's interview 37 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.240 and if you would please take a few minutes and 38 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:47.639 introduce yourself to the audience. 39 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:50.960 Yeah. Absolutely. The first thing I want to do is 40 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:56.080 because I'm bad forgetful, and I think I would do 41 00:02:56.120 --> 00:03:00.280 a disservice to all the listeners if I just didn't 42 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.759 take a moment to say thank you for this platform 43 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.919 that you created, getting the truth out there, and more 44 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:14.120 soul than that, sharing the love of Jesus Christ and 45 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.360 what that means to you and to all of humanity. 46 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:22.879 So to hear that I'm going to be the final 47 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:27.520 interview as for right now. Extremely humbled and honored by that. 48 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.919 I hope I can do justice to all the great 49 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:33.719 interviewers that if you that you've had on the show. 50 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:38.000 But before I introduced me, I want to say thank you, 51 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.000 heartfelt thank you to you and what you've meant and 52 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:43.960 the podcast has meant, and the guests have meant to 53 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.479 me and my family and my brothers and sisters in 54 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:50.240 Christ who I can share this with. It truly has 55 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:50.879 been a blessing. 56 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:52.639 So thank you for that, Jorge A man, thank you 57 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.560 so much. I'm very humbled for those kind of words 58 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:54.840 and all. 59 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:59.960 Yeah, it's it's it's all. It's about sharing the good news, 60 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.560 and that's what I hope to be able to do 61 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.120 with you here today. I love to talk about the Bible. 62 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.960 I love to talk about Jesus, and then you know, 63 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.639 next to that is the things that I don't understand 64 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.199 fully I want to know more. But to tell you 65 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.560 a little bit about myself, my name is Chris Barrett. 66 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:21.160 I am from Dover, Tennessee. I am forty nine years old. 67 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:25.560 I am the father of three, two sons and a daughter. 68 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:30.360 Both are all three adults now. I've been married to 69 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:34.279 my bride for almost thirty years now. I am a 70 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.759 former small business owner, have recently sold my business, so 71 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:39.920 I have a little bit more free time on my 72 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.800 hands now to be into the Word of God and 73 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:47.240 to share. I have no excuses anymore, so I'm excited 74 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.399 for what the future is going to hold for me 75 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:54.480 and my family. In that aspect of things. Let's see 76 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:59.639 the first and foremost, I'm a Christian, as the Bible says, 77 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.040 added to the Lord's Church about thirty six years ago. 78 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:08.279 I have been going to worship really my whole life. 79 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:11.839 There was a period probably in my mid twenties where 80 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:15.639 I straight away probably wasn't as faithful as I felt 81 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:20.720 like I needed to be, but never detached myself from 82 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.839 the Word. When I say unfaithful, I'm referencing maybe making 83 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.360 excuses for not going to church or for not putting 84 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.319 God first, just letting those worldly things get in the way. 85 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:34.279 But thankfully I had a strong support system here at 86 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:37.600 home and got me on the right track. I've been 87 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:42.720 blessed with tremendous parents who have been married. Now for 88 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:48.160 what fifty one fifty two years. It's this day in time. 89 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:52.319 It's incredible. And I was blessed with good, godly grandparents 90 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:55.040 who you know, helped steer me in the right direction. 91 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:59.519 So I feel like I want to say this as well, 92 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.319 because lot of times when I listen to your guests, 93 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.319 and I even even the ones that I may not 94 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.079 necessarily agree with on a lot of things when it 95 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:10.839 comes to our beliefs and scripture and things, I've often 96 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.480 wondered that you know where their background is and things, 97 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:16.920 and those guests challenge me because they make me dive 98 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.879 back into the word and look at things. And I think, 99 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.079 I think that discussion is always great. And that's another 100 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:29.279 compliment to you, that that you always let people lay 101 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:31.839 out their beliefs and then it's up to the listener 102 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.959 to go and you know, discern that information for themselves. 103 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:40.639 So I come from it from a Christian background. I 104 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:45.279 was born and raised and have always went to the 105 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:50.000 churches of Christ. The churches of Christ do not do 106 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:57.160 not advertise themselves as a denomination. Each one is individually ran. 107 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.519 If it's if it's the way the Bible set up 108 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.360 is by you know, a group of men that we 109 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:08.120 call elders. There's also deacons that serves. So there's been 110 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.319 guests that you've had on there a lot of times 111 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.000 that I can't never really peg where they're coming from. 112 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:15.759 And I just want to put that out there that 113 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.639 I am a Christian, this is my background, this is 114 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.839 my influence. A lot of those things have been challenged 115 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:25.800 as I've got older and understand scripture. We don't have 116 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:27.680 a creed or a code we go by. We have 117 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.480 the Bible. So that's that's what I try to relay 118 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.279 in my thoughts and teachings. And I hope I do 119 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:35.399 a good job with that today. 120 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:39.480 Well done, well done, And yeah, that's very important. And 121 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:43.720 I get a lot of critical emails saying you shouldn't 122 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:48.040 allow people to say this on your podcast number one. 123 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.600 On my final podcast, which is the one that'll drop 124 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:53.040 after this, I am going to allow out a few 125 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:56.279 of my beliefs what I believe. But I think just 126 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:03.839 stifling a conversation is a problematic. Whereas like I'm in 127 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.759 seminary and you know, you're sitting listening to professors and 128 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.079 you even don't agree with some of the things they say, 129 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.000 and it's a perception issue and when we bring these 130 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.959 topics up. It's exactly what you said, Chris. It forces 131 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.759 people to go back into the Bible, and that's what 132 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.879 it should be about. People say, what that doesn't make 133 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:23.560 sense to me. So what do they do? They go 134 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:25.639 back and they pick up the Bible and maybe they 135 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.399 reread something, or at least it gives them a different 136 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:32.639 perspective on something. But what we're working on right now, 137 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.639 let me see if I can find this a book 138 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:42.559 called Exploring Our Hebraic Heritage by Marvin Wilson. It lays 139 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.240 out the importance. I think obviously the Gospel of Jesus 140 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.399 is first and foremost right, but I think a lot 141 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:50.320 of people don't understand that most of the New Testament 142 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.559 was written on the basis of the Old Testament. Like 143 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:55.080 when Jesus is on the cross and he's crying out 144 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.759 to God, that is literally what is written verbatim inn 145 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:02.240 Psalm twenty two. I think this conversation is important for 146 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:05.559 people to number one, maybe they've never even heard of it. 147 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:08.799 And number two, again, it forces them to go back 148 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:11.960 and to fortify their beliefs because I think a lot 149 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.639 of the things people hear and believe they hear maybe 150 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.519 on YouTube channel or or in a sub stack and 151 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:25.919 instead of actually, and I'm not picking any particular individual, 152 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:29.519 I think we're influenced by others too easily. I think 153 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:31.320 it's solid for us to get back into the word 154 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.360 and make these decisions and reinforce our beliefs that way. 155 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.120 If you know what I mean, Yeah, I. 156 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.080 Am in brother, I'll definitely echo that. It's when you 157 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.039 look at the Bible as a whole, the Bible, as 158 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:47.120 most people know what. You go to a bookstore and 159 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:49.399 pick up a copy of the Holy Scriptures. You've got 160 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:53.799 sixty six books or letters in there, written by maybe 161 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:57.519 thirty five to forty authors, depending on what you know, 162 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:00.840 who you believe wrote. What the the fact that it 163 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:06.120 all blends perfectly together. And one of the things that 164 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:10.279 I wanted to make mention because I was older before 165 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:13.080 I really realized. I think a lot of people you'll say, well, 166 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:14.679 I picked it up and I read it front to back. 167 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:16.720 And I've heard you have other guests on there that say, 168 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.080 you know, they have a chronological Bible. But the first 169 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:23.159 thing that I would tell the reader if somebody asked 170 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:25.000 me about the Bible, what do I need to know 171 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:27.879 before I pick it up and read it is that 172 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:32.159 the Bible basically tells three things. And this is a 173 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:36.480 very broad broad view of it. But it tells the 174 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:40.240 story of somebody's coming. Then it tells the story of hey, 175 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:42.799 somebody's here, and then it tells the story of hey, 176 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.559 somebody's coming back. And who is that person that it's 177 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:49.320 alluding to, Well, it's Jesus, you know, in every case. 178 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:53.279 And when they sit down and read the Bible, if 179 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:58.039 you don't know, if you don't know history, I always 180 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:02.279 tell people start with and this is again my opinion, 181 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:08.080 start with the New Testament, start with the Gospels, learn 182 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:13.000 about Jesus, and then go back to the beginning. In 183 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.360 the beginning, God created and that word God, and I 184 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.159 don't have this in front of him going off memory, 185 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:21.519 but I believe it's elohem and it's God plural, so 186 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:24.639 somebody was there with him. I personally believe it was. 187 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.279 It was the son Jesus. And you get on down 188 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.600 into Genesis where it says, let us make man. I 189 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:34.559 don't know how old I was before I realized, you know, 190 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:38.360 when we get into this topic of what the earth is? 191 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.799 You know, I had read over that so much. I 192 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.840 had read over the word us until somebody pointed that 193 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.840 out to me, probably in my teenage years. I was 194 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:51.240 blown away by it because I was thinking God's singular, 195 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.320 not God plural, and so knowing that and then knowing 196 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.559 to or letting the average reader know that the Bible 197 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:04.000 is not written in chronological order. It's not a book 198 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.120 that just picks up and you know, the beginning obviously 199 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.000 actually flows a little bit, but then what do you 200 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:12.200 do with the Book of Job And so I just 201 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.279 I think it's a fascinating and I hate to use 202 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.440 the word story, but I think it's a fascinating story 203 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.679 to the average reader. But to the believers, it's a 204 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.879 book of promises, a book of hope, and a book 205 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:29.960 of just unconditional love. And that's what I would hope 206 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.639 that people that are maybe new to the scriptures would 207 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:36.360 take and understand as they begin to open the pages 208 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:38.879 and really dive in it, because it's it is a 209 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.440 book that keeps giving. I feel like that I have 210 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.840 read it fairly consistent for forty nine years. And if 211 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.799 you would have told me a couple of years ago 212 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.120 that I would have be challenged on something like the 213 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:54.200 topic we're going to talk about today. I would thought 214 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.879 I've already known everything there is to know about that subject, 215 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.240 and then not through this podcast, through my own studies 216 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:04.000 that led me to this podcast, and I know we'll 217 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:08.399 get to that store here shortly. But I soon realized 218 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:13.080 that something's not adding up. And that's to me, that's 219 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.240 the beauty of the scriptures. There's always something there. The 220 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:21.679 scripture is its own best commentary. So when you sit 221 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:24.559 down and go to read it, the first thing I 222 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.840 would say to is pray that God gives you an understanding, 223 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.480 and then don't hurry through it. Take your time. If 224 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:34.960 you don't know what something is, have a concordance. That 225 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:38.279 is a very handy tool to have, and don't be 226 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:43.480 afraid to ask, to ask questions and understand understand that 227 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:45.600 you may get a variety of opinions. But at the 228 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.279 same time, I believe it's in the Book of Acts 229 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:53.480 where it says that those in Bria were more noble 230 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:56.879 than those in Thessalonaika because they search the scriptures daily. 231 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.480 And I think that's a good example for us to 232 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:02.080 keep our head in the book and search the scriptures 233 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:07.039 daily because there's always something to be revealed on Yeah. 234 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:10.080 Amen, and you hit the nail on the head. There's 235 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.679 I've had professors argue that the Bible should be read 236 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.120 in canonical order. I've heard some say it's just started 237 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.600 the Gospels and then work your way back and then 238 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:23.240 Another important note a lot of people don't understand is 239 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:28.279 you're correct that the Bible wasn't written in you know, 240 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:32.399 Thessalonians is first, and second Thessaloni or first for sure. 241 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:36.360 First Thessalonians is the oldest book of the New Testament. 242 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.440 The Gospel Matthew, Mark and Luke and then John was 243 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:46.080 actually written after that, so you know, it's obviously put 244 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.159 in an order for a certain reason. Here's the Gospels, 245 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.399 Acts creates the Church, and then Paul's letters and then 246 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.519 the pastoral letters things of that nature there, and then 247 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:59.000 of course Revelation, which kind of closes closes out everything. 248 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:03.440 The one thing I've learned going back to school is 249 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.600 that you're not going to get answers to the hard questions, 250 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:10.679 but what it teaches you. It teaches you how to read, 251 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.399 how important journaling is, how to take every single word, 252 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.960 every single verse, and to break it down understanding who 253 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:23.960 was the intended audience, what was the intended audience. What 254 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:26.440 were they going through at that time? Why was Paul 255 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:32.039 writing the letters? And it Once you break down those things, 256 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:35.399 then you can kind of better understand where all of 257 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.559 this is coming from. And like even me before I 258 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:42.320 went deep back into the Bible, when you started, we 259 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.799 look out into the world and we see, man, some 260 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:49.559 of our churches around here have the gay Pride flags 261 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.840 hanging from them. And I asked my pastor, I'm like, 262 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.120 were things really worse back then? And then you actually 263 00:15:55.159 --> 00:16:00.320 read how things were actually worse back then. But it's 264 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:05.200 important to you know, once you understand the gospel. I 265 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:07.279 think it's great to read it in kind of coal order, 266 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.600 but journaling is something that's changed every time I read, 267 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.720 I write, and I break down those things, and that 268 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:16.519 has helped me tremendously. 269 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.720 So there's a perfect and you hit the nail on 270 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:23.080 the head and this is this is a lot of 271 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.360 what I go back to. The hard questions I can 272 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:28.759 remember and this is kind of what led me on 273 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:31.519 my journey because it made an impact on my life. 274 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:35.960 When I was in my teenage years. I don't remember 275 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:40.120 the question that I asked the preacher at our congregation 276 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:44.559 at the time but I have been blessed. I feel 277 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:50.559 like to be a student under some of some of 278 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:53.200 the best gospel preachers that I that I have heard. 279 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:57.639 They they know the word inside and out. And but 280 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:01.399 but sadly, and you hit the nail on the head 281 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.919 the hard questions. What I'm getting around to is this, 282 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:09.720 I can remember asking a question of my preacher, and 283 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.920 I don't all these years later, I still don't remember 284 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.720 the question I ask him, but I remember the answer. 285 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:20.200 And I have sadly heard this answer several times in 286 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:22.359 my life when it comes to these hard questions, and 287 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.599 the answer will always go something like this, Well, that's 288 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.759 not really beneficial to the cause or to the Gospel 289 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:33.599 of Christ. So let's spend more time teaching salvation, teaching this, 290 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.519 teaching that, and let's not focus so much on the other. 291 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.000 And so you take a guy like me two or 292 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:45.079 three years ago, I would have thought, I can see 293 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.039 their point. Salvation is obviously number one, and so I 294 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:53.480 would have had that mindset. But I can never I 295 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:58.079 can question beliefs and maybe question why people do what 296 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:02.519 they do. I cannot question sincerity. I don't know their heart. 297 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:05.680 I don't know you know. And so where I'm going 298 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:09.200 with this is I could have easily been in that 299 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:15.599 mindset and one of my very best friends basically, when 300 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.079 I tried to approach him with this topic of what 301 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:24.400 the earth really looks like biblical earth, I got basically 302 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:27.359 the same response with a little bit different answer. But 303 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:33.400 I have heard through this podcast how many people through 304 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:39.240 you have been brought to Christ through the means of creation. 305 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:43.200 And you know, I've heard people say, well, the two 306 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:47.200 aren't linked, and you've been adamant that it's linked. And 307 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.279 forgive me, I don't. You may can look this up, 308 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:51.880 you may not. I didn't know if I was going 309 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:54.119 to give you anything to include in the podcast. But 310 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:58.000 one of the and I hope nobody gets offended that 311 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:01.839 I'm going to use you know, these these sources. But 312 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:05.039 one of the things that I've subscribed to as far 313 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:09.319 as podcast and listening to, is something that it's a 314 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.039 podcast that comes out of Texas. It's a guy by 315 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:16.039 the name of Willis McAdams and he's from Radically Christian 316 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:19.119 And I printed this off. I'm still in ink pen 317 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.319 and paper and printed off guy. I printed this off 318 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.039 February eighteenth of twenty twenty five. So I don't know 319 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:26.680 if this is when it come out, but this was 320 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.680 part two in the Salvation series, and it was how 321 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:35.400 salvation and creation are linked together. If you don't understand 322 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.559 the story of creation, you can't get to salvation. And 323 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.880 it was just like it's like working a puzzle and 324 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:45.640 seeing all the pieces come together. I had heard you 325 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.920 say numerous times that people were led to Jesus Christ 326 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:53.759 through the podcast and getting interested in, Hey, we've been 327 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:57.640 lied to about where we live. What it really looks like. 328 00:19:57.759 --> 00:19:59.759 I'm going to dive into scripture. I'm going to learn 329 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.160 to try a scripture more than man. And guess what 330 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:06.279 that led me to Jesus Christ. And that generic answer 331 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:09.079 that I got thirty something years ago, Well, it's not 332 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:13.200 really worth diving into that question because there's more other things. 333 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:18.359 You know, then I wouldn't have had the well I 334 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.119 had too much respect just to say and maybe I 335 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:23.200 was a little scared to just to say, hey, that's 336 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:27.519 a cop out. And you know, to today, if you 337 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:32.119 can't if you can't approach a question with an open mind, 338 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.839 whether you think it's the most silly question ever heard, 339 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:37.359 you have a problem. 340 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.319 You know, So, hey, man, can I read a paragraph 341 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:43.839 real quick that that really hits on the head of 342 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:46.720 what you were just talking about. Autely from the book 343 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:50.000 I just mentioned, it says Christians frequently have a greatly 344 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:53.440 diminished and shallow picture of God. This is largely due 345 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:58.559 to their unfamiliar, unfamiliiliarity, sorry, with the Old Testament, but 346 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.640 it's also a result of how many Christians come to 347 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:04.559 and then are nurtured in the Christian faith. So their 348 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:08.559 starting point is usually the teachings of Jesus and Paul. Right, 349 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:11.599 makes sense. While these major figures of the New Testament 350 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.319 were Jews and thus had their teachings lordly grounded in Judaism, 351 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:20.519 Christians often missed the rich context of the scriptures out 352 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:25.480 of which their teachings emerge. So, for example, every word 353 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:30.079 in the Lord's Prayer spoken by Jesus to his disciples 354 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:31.880 have an Old Testament origin. 355 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:42.759 Correct, Yes, it's uh, and that's it's it's here here again, 356 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:44.720 get me back on track if you need to. But 357 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.960 just this weekend, or this past weekend, rather, we were 358 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:53.319 we were with some friends and wrestling was on TV, 359 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:56.000 and I haven't watched wrestling in forever, but it was 360 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:03.319 behind the scenes, uh of the ww or whatever that is. 361 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.200 And it showed them all standing together reciting the Lord's prayer, 362 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:12.039 because if anybody's been around any kind of religion, you 363 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:15.519 pretty much know the Lord's Prayer. And then within ten 364 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.039 seconds it's kind of like the Pride flag out in 365 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.319 front of the church you mentioned earlier. Ten seconds of 366 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:23.039 saying amen, they're having to bleep out cuss words. They're 367 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:25.240 having to do this. There's a Satanic song playing in 368 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:30.119 the back. It just it's it's stuff like and like 369 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.359 I said, I know I'm chasing rabbits here, but stuff 370 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:36.039 like that attracts the young viewer and go, Okay, I 371 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.599 can be in God because they are. And I can 372 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:41.440 still run around in my underwear and act like an idiot, 373 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:43.480 cuss and swear and do all this stuff on TV 374 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:48.000 and that's okay because I'm putting God in it. Well, 375 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:51.440 I would say you're serving the wrong serving the wrong 376 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:52.839 God there, And like I said, I didn't mean to 377 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:55.160 get off on that, but and you hit the nail 378 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:57.880 on the head earlier too. With the books of the 379 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:00.240 Bible and who they were written to. I have been 380 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:05.319 blessed to be around solid elders in my life, and good, 381 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:09.640 good teachers of the Gospel. And if there's one thing 382 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:14.160 they always preach its context. Where is the context of 383 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:16.799 the scriptures coming from? Like you said, who is the audience? 384 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:20.720 What's it about? You just can't plug and place scriptures 385 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.079 into your And I'm guilty of this too, you know, 386 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:25.559 plug and play scripture into my everyday life and make 387 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.799 it fit neat because it was it was written to 388 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:29.599 a certain people at a certain time, but about a 389 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:30.119 certain thing. 390 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:30.359 You know. 391 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:33.079 Yep, people are and I'm guilty of it. Two, we 392 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:35.839 all are. We picked that verse out that supports, you know, 393 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:40.079 our things. But the words that challenge the way we live, 394 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.960 you know, we kind of we don't focus on those. 395 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.720 It's very important to take it all in context and 396 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.839 as a whole. So yeah, great points on all of it, 397 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.319 one hundred percent. So I would ask you, at what 398 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:54.799 point in your life did you start to notice that 399 00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:57.440 the world as it's presented to us was not as 400 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:01.759 it seems. 401 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:09.359 If a little bit of my background here again, at 402 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:15.880 age nineteen, my parents trusted me with the family business. 403 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:19.400 I was married, I had my first child on the way, 404 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:24.799 and so from the age of nineteen until about the 405 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:30.720 age of forty seven, I guess a workday for me 406 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:36.960 was eleven to thirteen hours. Just run wide open, provide 407 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.480 for your family. You know, do the ball games, go 408 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:43.839 to church, go to the plays, go to the dance recitals. 409 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:47.880 And one of my greatest regrets, this has nothing to 410 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:50.359 do with anything, but it may resonate with somebody. One 411 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:54.519 of my greatest regrets as a parent was thinking that 412 00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:57.559 I needed to work all the time to make money 413 00:24:57.799 --> 00:24:59.799 and I would just send my wife and kids on 414 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.960 cation with family. One of the most precious things we 415 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:07.200 have in this life is time and how we spend 416 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:12.079 our time. And in my early twenties and even maybe 417 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:17.319 into my early thirties, I was consumed with work and 418 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:21.720 money and those work is a good thing. The Bible 419 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:25.000 talks about that. Money is a good thing, and the 420 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.319 Bible talks about that, but it also gives a lot 421 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:32.279 of warnings when it comes to that. So I say 422 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:35.079 all that to say this. It wasn't until I got 423 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:39.039 intentional about becoming a better steward of what God has 424 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.200 blessed me with time and money. Into my thirties, I 425 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.000 was still working like crazy and plugging church in there. 426 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:50.000 But it was honestly, I had got a question about 427 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.160 when I thought the world may be lying to I mean, 428 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:53.839 this may be a good time to go into this, 429 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:59.000 but I'm one of the Wednesday Night teachers in our 430 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:01.960 Bible class. You mentioned this in another Bible class. Why 431 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.359 don't we take topics like you know, Biblical Earth or 432 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.720 topics you know that are outside the norm of what 433 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:13.400 we teach typically inside the walls of the of the 434 00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:16.079 churches of Christ. I won't say all of them, because 435 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:19.960 each congregation does its on thing but tries to abide 436 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:24.039 by biblical principles. But inside the ones I have been to, 437 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:29.400 Sundays are devoted to in the worship service. Typically there's 438 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:31.319 one in the morning, one in the evening. It's devoted 439 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:35.240 to teaching Jesus and trying to bring people closer together. 440 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:38.440 Now we have Bible classes where we may learn about 441 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.000 major profits, minor profets, pause letter, whatever the case may be, 442 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:46.319 Wednesday Nights seem to be more of a typical We 443 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:48.279 could study books the Bible, we could take it a 444 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.279 lot of different directions. So one of the Wednesday Night 445 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.240 classes we decided to do a Q and A. Questions 446 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.039 were submitted to the three or four teachers that we 447 00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:01.279 had and may actually just and two teachers at the time, 448 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:06.039 and we kind of divided those amongst ourselfs. And what 449 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:10.440 got me that this world may not be what we 450 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.799 have been told. The question I got, and I think 451 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:16.480 this was in the email, it was I was asked 452 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:20.240 to address two things. And this may sound silly, but 453 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:24.279 I go back to the teenage me asking that question 454 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:26.599 and it just getting put off. So if somebody asked 455 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:28.440 me a question, I'm going to do my due diligence 456 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.759 to answer. And the question was do you believe or 457 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:39.359 does scripture support Bigfoot or aliens? And you know, I 458 00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:44.039 told the other teacher in the class, I said, I've 459 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.759 got that one. And other topics we discussed, you know, 460 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:53.039 was suicide and ghosts and different phenomena we couldn't explain, 461 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.000 you know, just whatever people had on their mind, and 462 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:58.279 we tried to approach everything from what the scripture says. 463 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.000 And so, you know, I tried to be funny with it. 464 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:04.799 My wife ordered me a bigfoot in an alien shirt 465 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:06.519 and I wore it the church that night, you know, 466 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.400 because you know, we're not prunes. We like to laugh, 467 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:10.880 we like to have a good time, but at the 468 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:14.519 same time we want to take God's words serious. So 469 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:20.720 when my idea on Bigfoot has changed a little bit, 470 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.519 especially after reading the Book of Enoch and come into 471 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:31.799 a better understanding of it. But then going towards Aliens, 472 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:38.839 I dove into scripture and it led me down many paths. 473 00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.839 But at the end of the class that night, here 474 00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:47.880 was where my stance was on Aliens. I said something 475 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:53.960 to the effect of, after reading about the firmament and 476 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:58.240 really realizing then that the earth that the Bible describes, 477 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.799 in my mind it was a snow globe. I'm just 478 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:03.839 just you know, that's in my mind. That's what I 479 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.119 was reading, That's what I was picturing. That's what I was, 480 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:09.079 you know, seeing, for lack of a better term. And 481 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:13.279 then when you understand what the firmament is, and I 482 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.200 understood that the firmament wasn't removed, that the that the 483 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.640 windows of heaven were opened, and then it says the 484 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.839 windows of heaven were closed. I come to the conclusion, 485 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.400 and I told the class, I said, I can I 486 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:30.599 say aliens exist. All I can say is I'm not 487 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.000 worried about them. And how can I not be worried 488 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.599 about them? Is because God put man on this earth 489 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.799 to have dominion over it and is and as long 490 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:43.000 as we're here, I think we're fine. I said, I 491 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:47.200 don't think God ever intended from man to leave this 492 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.119 place that we call earth. And I said, I just 493 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:55.079 I and I think I think the class could sense that. 494 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.799 You know that just kind of like now, there's a 495 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.160 lot of hesitation. There's a lot of unknown in what 496 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:05.599 I was saying. But I was, I was puzzled. I 497 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:10.160 was confused. And so that's that's where it kind of 498 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:14.640 led me to. And then as my eyes have been 499 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.720 opened up a little bit more, I know. And of 500 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.200 course these dates wouldn't have meant anything to me before George, 501 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.839 but now, after diving into this for the last year 502 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:29.319 and a half, two years here, I thought, and I 503 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:30.880 want to give a shout out to a couple of 504 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.720 people here too, real quick with this as I'm scrolling 505 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:35.920 to get back to it. So that was a Wednesday 506 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.039 night class and my brother in Christ, who's going to 507 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.880 be listening to this when it drops. His name's Jason. 508 00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.680 He approached me after the class and he said, and 509 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.200 I make it known to the class. I love questions. 510 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:52.359 Hit me with stuff I like to. I get more 511 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.519 focused when I've got, you know, honed in when I've 512 00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.279 got something to focus on. And he asked me, he said, 513 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:00.400 do you mind if I send you something? And I said, man, 514 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:02.200 I don't mind a bit. You know, I didn't know 515 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.119 what it was going to relate to, but he said, 516 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:06.880 after your class the night, I got something I think 517 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:10.480 you may be interested in. And so on April the 518 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.799 eighteenth of twenty twenty four, this will tell you how 519 00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.839 long my journey's been going. He sent me episode one, 520 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.920 Why the Lie, and I'm just going to read you 521 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:23.759 his message. He said, this podcast is called flat Earth Files. 522 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.359 You can find it on Spotify. I thank YouTube and Rumble. 523 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.599 I listened to it on Spotify. This is the first episode. 524 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.119 I can remember showing that to my wife and she 525 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.920 just shaking her head and I said, okay, I've done 526 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.920 what everybody does. I'm going to go immediately and debunk this. 527 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:41.279 Yep. 528 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.960 And so you know, I, of course, I'm coming fresh 529 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.519 off of that idea of maybe we live in a 530 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.000 snow globe. Idea. 531 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.119 You haven't correlated the to at this point yet. 532 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.279 I have not. The two things haven't come together. And 533 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.200 so and this is something that you preach on all 534 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.640 the time. Don't tell anybody to go to Google right off, 535 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.799 right off the bat, Well, that's what I did. I 536 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.319 didn't know who David Weiss was, flat Earth Dave or 537 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.160 any of these guys. I just go Google flat Earth. 538 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.160 I click on the first link and it wasn't the 539 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:16.079 Flat Earth Society stuff. But and forgive me, because I 540 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.240 don't listen to a lot of either one of those guys. 541 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.039 No disrespect to either one of them. I just I 542 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.640 usually do more of my studying through through podcasts and 543 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:30.160 through reading and things like that. But the is it 544 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.119 Professor Dave, the one that's just really arrogant and just talks. Yes. 545 00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.240 So I got through about fifteen or twenty minutes of 546 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:43.559 this guy just belittling and just basically being rude to 547 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.440 this other guy, and like, I didn't know whoither one 548 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.960 of them was, and I thought, if they're trying that 549 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:55.000 hard to silence this guy, you're just making me want 550 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:59.079 to listen to him even more. And so then on 551 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:04.039 April twenty, which would have been the Saturday, I was 552 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.200 going to look at a duck blind up in Illinois, 553 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.640 and I hit play and I sent him a message. 554 00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.720 The after the first three episodes, I said, I've got 555 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:17.599 to admit, I'm three episodes deep and doing research. Pretty 556 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.920 interesting stuff so far. And then he immediately responds back, 557 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:23.960 and I'm just going to say this because it's a 558 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.400 shout out to these guests, just because you know, the 559 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:31.480 Bible tells us, you know, we we should produce fruit 560 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.319 from our works. And I don't remember who each one 561 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.359 of these people are. I've just got episode numbers. But 562 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.720 his response was, I'm in too deep. Episodes twenty eight, 563 00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.680 forty three, forty seven, fifty one, ninety one, and one 564 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.559 hundred and forty two are the ones that I've just 565 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.200 been absorbed with and have sent to his wife to 566 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.319 listen to. And then he goes on to send me 567 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.200 episode one, twenty and one twenty three is he's listening 568 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.240 to them because these stick out in his mind. So 569 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.880 if you have other guests that have wondered, have I 570 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.440 ever made an impact? Absolutely, you've made an impact. It 571 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.599 may not be things that we agree on on every 572 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:11.480 little thing, but you you had an impact on somebody 573 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.079 that shared it with me. And you fast forward a 574 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.920 year and a half or whatever now and I'm here 575 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.000 getting to share my story and it's the same thing. 576 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.039 With I want to throw it back to Christ. Now, 577 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.079 it's the same thing. Once you find out the good 578 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.679 news of Christ, don't keep that to you. Tell your friends, 579 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.239 tell them to tell them to look at it, tell 580 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.440 them to hear, hear the word, believe the word, repent, 581 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.039 be baptized, remain faithful, you know all of those good things. 582 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:40.039 You know. It's it's it's the church is viewed as 583 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.480 a family. This, this community of believers we have here 584 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:45.880 on the podcast is viewed as a family. 585 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:46.599 Uh. 586 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.000 But but but sharing that love of Jesus is the 587 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.519 same thing. If you, if you, And that's why I 588 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.000 said my entire name. 589 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:53.440 Uh. 590 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.039 There's there's another podcast I used to listen to more 591 00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.679 for business related stuff. But it was a guy by 592 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:03.320 the name of Brian Betheni and he had this thing, 593 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:05.280 can you put your name to it? At the end 594 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.239 of the day, are you proud of what you've done? 595 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.440 And could you put your name to it? Well, my 596 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.480 family name had been on our business forever and it's 597 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.079 still on that. It's still on the business name today 598 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.880 because we believe we've done another good enough job we 599 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.519 could put our name to it. And I believe in 600 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.519 the Holy scriptures enough that I'm not afraid to say 601 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.039 my name is Chris Barrett, and I'll put my name 602 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.440 to it. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm just 603 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.920 gonna dive in and study more and dive in more 604 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.000 and want to learn more because i know I'm not 605 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:41.239 right on everything, but I pray for wisdom. I pray 606 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.000 for understanding. I want to have a better knowledge of 607 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.400 the scripture so I can share it with other people, 608 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.679 whether it's the conversation like this that may lead somebody 609 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.320 to Jesus or if it's Jesus just I want to 610 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.679 be prepared and ready. So I wanted to give a 611 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.400 shout out to Jason and all the other guys that 612 00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.840 have you know, got us to where we are to 613 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.840 do through these podcasts, because you may not think you mattered, 614 00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.960 but you really did. And the one for me and 615 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.400 I've never really investigated him any farther but episode I 616 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.960 think it's fifty right as you come back for season two, 617 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.440 William Boot. I think I've probably listened to that one 618 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.079 eight or nine times. I just found that interview just fantastic, 619 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.199 a lot of good information there, So I'll give that 620 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:22.000 one a shout out to. 621 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.920 Yeah, we've had him on The Fact Hunter as well. 622 00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.960 Great guy, works hard, he makes a long video every week. 623 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.840 I think he still puts it out on on Rumble, 624 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.119 I believe, and to all the listeners. You know, if 625 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.920 there is something that one of the one of our 626 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:44.280 guests did make an impact on your life, i'd encourage 627 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.400 you to take the time out and just shoot him 628 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.679 a quick email. You know, ninety percent of the guests 629 00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.480 we've had on said yeah, I put my email in 630 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:53.679 the show notes, you know, reach out and say hello. 631 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:55.840 And the other thing you mentioned earlier, I think as 632 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:59.679 we get older, we kind of put the whole time 633 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:03.480 in my any aspect. You mentioned that earlier, and we 634 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:08.199 talked about trying to remember it's more fulfilling to work 635 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.280 to live, not live to work. And obviously when we're 636 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.320 young we can get caught up in that. Much of 637 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.320 it is just difficult being a young person navigating our way. 638 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.679 But I think the older we get and realizing that 639 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.320 time is not so much on our side, we try 640 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:26.519 to prioritize, you know, living to work instead of working 641 00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:26.920 to live. 642 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:36.199 Yes, yeah, it's time is valuable. I read something today 643 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.039 and I'll try to keep this short, but I had 644 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.119 went to a funeral back in twenty twenty. The gentleman 645 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.199 that passed away, he was eighty six years old. He 646 00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.760 had been in the I sold tires for a living. 647 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.880 He had been in the tire business forever, started building 648 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:54.880 some houses, you know, And basically the man was like 649 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.559 my grandfather. He had to work until the day he 650 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.760 was to the day he died. And I just remember 651 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:04.880 I actually I don't say I keep a diary, but 652 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.280 I put it in a journal, if you will, and 653 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.639 left it on my desk so I could see that 654 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:14.199 every day as motivation. Uh, you know, how do you 655 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.360 how do you spell? This is what I wrote in there? 656 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.000 How How am I going to spell love? And that's 657 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.400 love for my family, love for my fellow men, love 658 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.920 for my brothers and sisters in Christ. And the way 659 00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:28.280 I want to be able to spell love is t 660 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.920 I m e with time because a lot of people 661 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.239 will give money to you know, and and believe me, 662 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.519 there's a time and place for money. But what is 663 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.880 that expression? People don't care how much you know till 664 00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.000 they know how much you care. And that comes with 665 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:48.639 spending time with people. And that's you know, that's we 666 00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.519 could talk all day about money and time and family. 667 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:57.320 Because we you know, absolutely I wanted to ask you 668 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.800 a question because for so many people, I'd venture to say, 669 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:02.679 at least half of the guests we've had on this 670 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.320 podcast over the last several years, COVID played a very 671 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.159 integral part of their awakening to see how the world 672 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:12.559 really works. What was it like for you as a father, 673 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.280 a family member and a small family I'm sorry, a 674 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:16.880 small business person. 675 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:24.840 Yeah, well understand our demographic the county. I live in 676 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:32.079 Stuart County. It's absolutely gorgeous here. It's an outdoor recreation 677 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:38.719 paradise with the public lands that we have, the lakes 678 00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:42.480 that we have. But that being said, the entire county 679 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:47.599 itself is only about thirteen thousand people roughly, so it's 680 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.199 a lot of land mass. But I think the government 681 00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.840 actually I hate to say owns, because they stole the 682 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.840 land from that's another rabbit hole of the Tennessee Valley 683 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:03.760 Authority TVA. My grandfather that started the business I'm talking about, 684 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.000 was in the area known as Land between the Lakes. 685 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:11.039 When they put the dams up and flooded the dam, 686 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.480 it flooded the family home and all that they had 687 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.800 to move and relocate. They moved still within the area 688 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.840 that it's land between the lakes. Started that business in 689 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.360 nineteen fifty one and then in nineteen sixty seven had 690 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.440 to up and move again because of I guess eminent 691 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.840 domain laws. But they were taking they were taking that property. 692 00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.280 So you know, when you look at the county on 693 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.400 the map, the pretty much the northern half is land 694 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.639 between the lakes and factor in Fort Campbell, Kentucky has 695 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.559 some land in that region and then other TVA properties, 696 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.079 so it looks like a bigger county, but it's a 697 00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:48.280 lot of government controlled lands. There's not a lot of people. 698 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:53.039 So if you would have never flipped on the television 699 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:56.920 for the news, you wouldn't have known anything was going on. 700 00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:02.039 Honestly in our county. I would. At the time we 701 00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:06.480 were the congregation we were attending, there was a lady 702 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.199 that had called in that and this this goes back 703 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.360 to just the fear mongering on today's news. You never 704 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.800 turn on the news and hear good news. It's always bad. 705 00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.880 And the first time I ever heard the words COVID 706 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.559 uttered was somebody calling on one of the wid old 707 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.159 ladies from the church we were going to and she 708 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.000 asked if I could lead a prayer on Sunday morning 709 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:36.000 for this new virus that was out and that was 710 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.199 my first exposure to it, and and had her request, 711 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:42.840 you know, we did, and you know, just you know, 712 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.639 prayed that God would look over us keep us healthy. 713 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.320 And because again if somebody asked for prayers, guys, don't 714 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.039 take that for granted. Prayer is a powerful thing. And 715 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:56.639 the second, the second time that it was that it 716 00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:00.000 came to my doorstep again was a church member who 717 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.480 whose husband was in the military that was getting sent 718 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:05.079 to New York to set up all these triadge things. 719 00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:08.000 And I mean she's called in a panic because her 720 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:11.000 husband of thirty something years and that's on his way 721 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.880 out of the military is getting sucked into this thing, 722 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.679 but in her mind was just going to kill him. 723 00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.639 But so if I hadn't have been exposed to those 724 00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.480 two things, just the people coming through on our door 725 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.920 on a regular basis, you would occasionally have and it 726 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.639 was typically somebody that was older that would come in 727 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:32.159 wearing a mask, but rarely did we get asked to 728 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.880 put on masks to sanitize or do anything. So from that, 729 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.239 from that aspect, it was really nice. But on the 730 00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.599 flip side, if you wanted to go out and eat 731 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.800 or do something like that. Typically we have a few 732 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.360 local restaurants and stuff here, but a lot of folks 733 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.719 in the community here when they go somewhere on the 734 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.719 weekends or something, they'll drive to, you know, clarks full 735 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:56.760 or Murray, Kentucky, or Paducah, Kentucky, or Nashville. And when 736 00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:58.599 you got into the big cities is when you really 737 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:00.960 noticed it. So when you come of the lifestyle of 738 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.480 I'm not wearing a mask five days a week and 739 00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.480 I want to go somewhere to you know, to eat 740 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:07.760 on Saturday night or go do something you're telling me 741 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.119 I can or I've got to do this or that. Uh, 742 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.280 it will just you know, basically, okay, we'll just go 743 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:14.440 to the grocery store, you know, grab and just you know, 744 00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:18.280 cook and do from here. And then from the the 745 00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:23.239 church aspects of things, that was a challenging time. Uh. 746 00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:28.519 And I so admire that what you're, uh lord willing 747 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:32.360 are fixing to do with uh starting a you know, 748 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.519 starting a church. Uh. And I would I would encourage 749 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:40.480 you to look at the scripture. Well, you know, most people, 750 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:42.400 I won't say most people a lot of people people 751 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.360 know about the Reformation movement, but the thing within the 752 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:49.639 Church of Christ, at least the two that I've been 753 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:54.480 as socially in my life, we say restoration because we're 754 00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:58.800 trying to restore what to the best we can through 755 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:03.440 God's word of what the church used to be. What 756 00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:05.639 did it look like, What does it look like through 757 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.519 the acts of the apostles, what does it look like 758 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:12.000 through Paul's letters? What can we glean from scripture? We 759 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:16.559 definitely don't add to scripture, and we try not to 760 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:19.559 take anything away. So the way we conduct our worship 761 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.840 service is the way that we believe God wanted it 762 00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:28.639 and commanded it through our understanding of scripture. And then think, 763 00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:31.960 you know, with our business, you know you got to love. Hey, 764 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.719 we were deemed essential because we were in the automotive 765 00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:37.360 industry and so we didn't have to worry about clothing. 766 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.519 And thankfully at that time we had a good mayor 767 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:41.800 a good sheriff that wasn't going to let anything like 768 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:47.679 that happen. But when it comes to churches, it just 769 00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:52.599 and George no disrespect to anybody, but it drove me 770 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.719 insane that I would see people get out and go 771 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.719 to the grocery store, or you would see them at 772 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.840 the gas pumps, or you would see them somewhere. But 773 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:02.519 I don't want to come to church. I don't want 774 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.280 to get anybody sick, you know, And that just I 775 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.800 don't know if it's a reflection on the person and 776 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.559 where they're at spiritually, because I believe that we're commanded 777 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:18.599 to come together. I believe that, you know, Christ died 778 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.559 for the She died for forgiveness of our sins. But 779 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.679 he died for the church. He talks about the church 780 00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:27.719 being his bride. He he loves the church and the 781 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:34.280 church there's only one singular. That's what he died for. 782 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:38.039 And you know Paul's letters talks about each member has 783 00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:42.360 individual you know, I think he describes it as parts 784 00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.679 of the body. You know that each member plays an 785 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.159 important part. And when you were in a congregation of 786 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.480 you know, anywhere from eighty to one hundred and twenty 787 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.519 people and you've had a bad week, somebody in that 788 00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:58.760 place is going to bring me up, whether it's through singing, teaching, 789 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.639 that they're gonna they're gonna pray, they're gonna exhort me there, 790 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.000 they're gonna build me up. And that's that's the key 791 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.280 that I think a lot of people miss when it 792 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.119 comes to comes to church. Again. If if you're a 793 00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.719 listener and you say, well, I don't need church, I 794 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.280 don't believe in church. I don't think God commands us 795 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.320 to go there. I would challenge you to look at 796 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.280 what Christ died for and and his kingdom here on 797 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.320 this earth is is I believe his church. It's it's 798 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.159 where his saved ones are going. And then you can 799 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:34.239 get in the rabbit hole of denominations in which one 800 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.840 is the right church because there's one faith, one hope, 801 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:40.920 one baptism, one church and and of you know, I'm 802 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.760 not saying there's just physically one correct church. But but 803 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:48.280 but I've heard you say in others we can't all 804 00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.719 be right. Who is trying to follow that that gospel 805 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.880 message the closest and and uh, I love you brother, 806 00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:55.960 and that would be my challenge to you follow it 807 00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:59.679 with with everything and all sincerity in your heart as 808 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.079 you do this. And I pray that one day that 809 00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:07.760 I can break bread inside you know, the church with you, 810 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.360 wherever that may be. We've never been to Delaware. The 811 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.559 northeast is on our to do list, and I would 812 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.920 I would love to worship God, the Father and Jesus 813 00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:18.719 with you. 814 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.239 Well. I appreciate that from the bottom of my heart. 815 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.400 I don't know if I've mentioned this in the last 816 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.880 couple of conversations. On July seventeenth, I wrote a letter 817 00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.559 to the Governor of Delaware, the state reps, and the 818 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:34.199 county sheriff. Very peaceful letter, grace peace, inviting them when 819 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.039 we're on the ground. I don't want to read the 820 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:37.800 whole three pages, but I wanted to read the part 821 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:42.320 where it's entitled our pledge. It simply states we're not anarchists. 822 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.079 We do not seek to undermine government. We pray for 823 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:48.239 our leaders as noted in one Timothy to Verses one 824 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.920 and two. We respect civil authority and desire peaceful relationships 825 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.480 with AWE. But we want to be clear number one, 826 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.000 these are all bullet points. We will never submit to 827 00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.559 any mandate that forces us to suspend or restrict our 828 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:03.039 worship gatherings. We will never accept the classification of the 829 00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.920 church is not essential. We will never require a proof 830 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:09.119 of vaccination, compliance with MASK mandates, or any health past 831 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.960 enter our sanctuary. We will never close our doors in 832 00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.159 the name of public health, political stability, or national emergency. 833 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.199 We will always follow the Lord Jesus Christ and the 834 00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:23.519 unchanging truth of scripture, regardless of cost or consequence. So 835 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.360 and the reason we wanted to do it up front. 836 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.159 So if this does ever happen again in our generation, 837 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.400 which I have a feeling it could happen sooner than later, 838 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:36.840 I don't want there to be any doubt where our 839 00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:37.440 church stood. 840 00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:41.480 Amen. That's that's very well stated and very well said. 841 00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:46.360 And I think too with within the within the church, 842 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.320 there needs to be strong men who are leaders. That's 843 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.679 that's what God prescribed for the church. I believe that 844 00:48:55.719 --> 00:49:00.480 you find that all through scripture. And went back to 845 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:04.960 COVID for just a minute where I was going at 846 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:09.519 the time. We had decided what may be best, and 847 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.199 I think we closed the doors for two or three 848 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:18.760 weeks and we're doing And again you can talk Satan 849 00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:23.199 about being the prints of the air and airwaves and 850 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:27.119 again going down that whole rabbit hole. If you don't 851 00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:30.639 think that that was a card that he has played, well, 852 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:36.280 how many faithful members of the Lord's Church have we lost? 853 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:41.960 It used to just drive me in saying we realized 854 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.920 we had a problem when we started broadcasting on Facebook 855 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:50.639 and two or three weeks in it would say, you know, 856 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:53.400 somebody would type, we're here in our pajamas with coffee, 857 00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:57.000 ready to worship. I'm sorry, that's not worship. No, And 858 00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.559 that's where we've seen it was going to be a problem, 859 00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:03.480 and do we need to not broadcast it live? Do 860 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:05.039 we not need to do it at all? But then 861 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.360 you've had those shut ins who were like, this is 862 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.119 such a great tool. I'm not able to get out 863 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.639 because I physically do have something wrong with me. And 864 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:16.639 then you know, you would have to go to you know, 865 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.760 to your brother and sister in Christ and go, I'm 866 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:21.960 not trying to be rude. I'm coming to you in love. 867 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:26.320 You know, you've worked five days this week and you're 868 00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.400 you're like the rest of us. You've drove thirty or 869 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.719 forty miles, you know, back and forth one way because 870 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:32.599 a lot of people in our town do you know, 871 00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:35.679 work out and and so you know, and you post 872 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:39.079 your whole social media life here, but on Sunday you're 873 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:43.559 gonna you're gonna play church instead of participate in church. 874 00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:45.599 And I hate to be rude and blunt like that, 875 00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.239 but that that's coming from a place of love. So 876 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.880 you know, that would be a challenge that I would 877 00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:54.000 have to any listener if if you think that you 878 00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:56.719 were going to church because you were watching it on TV, 879 00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:59.880 I would challenge you to drive into scripture and see 880 00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.360 if that aligns with God. Will I with that aligns 881 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:06.639 with God's will? Or is that a deception tactic of Satan. 882 00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:10.400 It's one of my greatest regrets in life that I 883 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.599 was a part of a group that said we probably 884 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.800 need to close the doors, and then it was quickly 885 00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.480 revealed to me that you've made the wrong decision and 886 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.000 you have to be mad enough to say I screwed up, 887 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.320 and I did. It's one of my greatest regrets. The 888 00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:30.960 congregation that we're going to now is governed by a 889 00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:35.920 group of fine biblically sound men and again that we 890 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.679 call elders. And I found out that when they went 891 00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:41.159 through that process, of course, that we're real close to 892 00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.760 the Kentucky line, so they're across the border in Kentucky, 893 00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.239 and Kentucky's governor at that time was I think, shutting 894 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:51.239 down a lot of things, and they took the George hobstance. 895 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.760 They closed for one week, they got together and said, 896 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.880 this ain't right, this ain't gonna fly. Lord forgive us 897 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:01.519 and open the doors back up. And that's that's uh so, 898 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.559 kudos to you for forgetting ahead of that and letting 899 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:08.199 them know where you stand, because you know, we we 900 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.840 think if we share the Gospel of Christ with somebody 901 00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.559 today and they say no where they close the door 902 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.320 in our face, that we're being persecuted. You want to 903 00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.519 see persecution, you go back and look at the story 904 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.000 of Stephen in the Book of Acts, and and and 905 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:28.039 look at what history tells us happens outside of the Bible. 906 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:29.679 We'll have to go find a lot of this information. 907 00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.079 Look what happened to the apostles of. 908 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.079 Them got executed in horrible ways? 909 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.039 Yes, and you know the the you know Saul, who 910 00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.360 would become the apostle Paul. When you when you dive 911 00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:43.760 into scripture. I've taught the middle school class for several 912 00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.159 years at a couple of different places. And when you 913 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:48.800 dive into scripture and you read over the word that's 914 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:52.039 words in Acts chapter eight, I think it is I'm 915 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.280 going off memory. Somewhere around verse three it says that 916 00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.960 you know Paul's I'm going to paraphrase here basically going 917 00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:02.039 into houses and it says reeking havoc on Christians. Well, 918 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.199 that just to me shows me the beauty of God's 919 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.599 plan because as these Christians were being dispersed in having 920 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.239 to leave, they were carrying the good news of the 921 00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.360 Gospel with them. That's Satan meant that for bad, but 922 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:17.199 God meant it for good because that gospel message spread 923 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:20.559 as they were being persecuted. The word the word used 924 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:24.079 there that you know he was wreaking havoc. And again 925 00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:26.400 this was this was the old Chris that would just 926 00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.199 read over that word. But then when you dive into 927 00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:31.880 the concordance and realize that that word havoc has the 928 00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:37.079 implication of a wild animal tearing apart, pray, I'm not 929 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.599 persecuted because I get a door shut in my face. 930 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:45.599 Those people were persecuted, And I just when, if in 931 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:49.440 or not if when we get to heaven and if 932 00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:53.920 we get to have conversations about what took place on 933 00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.840 the earth, that those are going to be some of 934 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.400 some of my questions to those to those heroes who 935 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:05.679 have no name in the Bible, but but stood true 936 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:09.639 in their faith, you know, until death and and that's 937 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:13.519 just you know, that's just I don't know. It makes 938 00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.719 me emotional. It brings a tear to my eye because 939 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.000 those are the examples that those are the people we 940 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.360 should have as heroes, not the people on TV. Not 941 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:26.519 the people and in social media that these influencers and 942 00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:33.119 followers and things like that. People football, Yeah, exactly, exactly. 943 00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:38.599 Yeah, it's no you make You made so many important 944 00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:42.840 points and that is something we all get hyped up 945 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.880 in and it's great to see many of the stories 946 00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:47.840 that are similar. When people start to wake up, they 947 00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:51.280 realize that they didn't quite understand what a worldly life 948 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.880 they were living until they stepped back and saw everything 949 00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:58.960 they did was uh working to pay for their season tickets, 950 00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:01.000 you know, three thousand dollars a year and all these 951 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:03.760 other things. When you step back and you want you 952 00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:06.199 realize that we should And again it's not saying that 953 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.199 you shouldn't have outlets and you should be able to 954 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.239 blow off steam and do this and that, but it 955 00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:13.079 can't be a primary focus of your life because you're commanded. 956 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.440 God isn't asking you. He's commanding you. Whether you listen 957 00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:19.280 or not, that's up to you. But he's commanding us 958 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.880 to share His good news. And I say all the time, 959 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.639 you can't fix secular problems with secular secular ideals. You 960 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.000 have to come from a biblical avenue. You've got to 961 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:33.280 come with a moral compass, and otherwise you're just trying 962 00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:36.599 to you know, you have the Tower of Peace as 963 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.119 your foundational corner. It's just not going to work. 964 00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:45.920 Exactly. And you've in a few of the episodes preceding 965 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.480 this one, it seems like the I don't want to 966 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.440 say buzzword, but the word and maybe it's because we've 967 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:54.960 been doing a study on it, but the word veil 968 00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:59.360 has been removed in every I say it's God's time, 969 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.119 and because I hear you talking about it and we're 970 00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:05.639 actually you know, have been studied at church. But if 971 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.559 I can read a couple of Bible verses and talking 972 00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:11.199 about when you say when you step back and you see, 973 00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:15.480 and I'm talking about myself individually, when I take a 974 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.079 step back and go, what am I working towards? What's 975 00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.559 the ultimate end goal? Well, the ultimate end goal for 976 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.599 me is to get me into heaven, my family into heaven, 977 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:26.800 and take as many people as I can with me. 978 00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:29.440 I think that would be the goal of any Christian 979 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.639 and the idea of the veiel, because as I've heard 980 00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:36.320 you say that in some episodes. Matthew thirteen's start in 981 00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:39.519 verse sixteen says, but blessed are you, or excuse me, 982 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:42.880 blessed are your eyes, for they see in your ears, 983 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.639 for they hear. So you're looking and you're listening, And 984 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:48.480 he says, for suredly, I say to you that many 985 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:52.320 prophets and righteous men desire to see what you see 986 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.639 and did not see it, and to hear what you 987 00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.760 hear and did not hear it. There's so many people 988 00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:00.800 out there that I don't know if they're looking in 989 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.280 the wrong places or if Satan has just got them 990 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:06.599 deceived to the point that they believe they're in an 991 00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:10.239 okay state. And if I may, this is the verse 992 00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.239 that challenges of all of the verses in the Bible. 993 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.559 So many verses mean so many things to so many people. 994 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.800 And the friend that I referenced earlier, who I tried 995 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:28.000 to share the Biblical earth with that just absolutely shut 996 00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:31.800 me down. We had talked about this verse in other 997 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:36.320 contexts because one of the somebody out there listen to 998 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.440 this when they hear Church of Christ, one of the 999 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.119 one of the myths I think that's out there about 1000 00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:43.280 the Churches of Christ is well, they believe they're the 1001 00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.800 only ones going to heaven. And that's a running joke 1002 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.599 that I've heard forever, and I can honestly say that 1003 00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.800 I've never heard anybody within those walls say that. At least, 1004 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:56.519 you know, we pray for all men. We want everybody 1005 00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:59.039 to come to the truth. We're going to share the 1006 00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.559 truth was used as we know it. And if we're wrong, 1007 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:06.239 we're gonna admit it. But you know we you know, 1008 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.000 I have challenged people, show me where I'm wrong in 1009 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:12.440 my faith, show me where I'm wrong in my worship practices, 1010 00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.159 and so but this is the verse that keeps me 1011 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.360 in check. And it's from the Sermon on the Mount 1012 00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:22.000 Matthew seven. Start in verse twenty one. And if you're 1013 00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.119 a believer, this ought to always keep you in check. 1014 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.679 Not everyone who says to me, Lord Lord Shaw, enter 1015 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:29.960 the Kingdom of heaven. But he who does the will 1016 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.280 of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me 1017 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:35.000 in that day, Lord Lord, have we not prophesied in 1018 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.679 your name, cast out demons in your name, and done 1019 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:41.280 many wonders in your name? And I will declare to them, 1020 00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.800 I never knew you depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. 1021 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:48.320 So that that verse has always kind of kept me 1022 00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.199 in check to never think that I'm the end, all, 1023 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.519 know it all of everything when it comes to scripture. 1024 00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:57.400 I'm just gonna keep my head in the book, and 1025 00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:01.159 as I know better, I'm gonna do better. And that's 1026 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:04.119 that's not only my goal for me, but for all 1027 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.559 the listeners that will hear this. Don't don't ever, And 1028 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:09.039 I don't think anybody out there is really that arrogance. No, well, 1029 00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:11.199 I've read it once. I know it all. No, just 1030 00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:13.199 keep your head in the book and keep plugging along. 1031 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:16.760 And then well said, I was looking while you were 1032 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.320 reading that. The Church of Christ there is a huge 1033 00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:20.840 amount of them in Tennessee. 1034 00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.880 Yeah, it's it's definitely what I think it's referred to 1035 00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:30.079 as the Bible belt. I mean, within where I'm sitting 1036 00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:35.519 here right now, I could there's a small congregation a 1037 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.440 couple of miles down the road to have about ten 1038 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.599 or twelve members. Then I can go a couple miles 1039 00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.159 the other direction there's about twenty members, and the one 1040 00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:46.039 right in town's got around one hundred and then over 1041 00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:49.199 in the Bumpus Mills area there's another. I think there's 1042 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.239 seven within this county the last time I actually looked. 1043 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.760 But it's the influence of the Churches of Christ in 1044 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.880 the South seem to be, you know, really really strong. 1045 01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:04.920 We at least the two congregations I have been a 1046 01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.800 part of, you know, we try to do a lot 1047 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:12.159 of mission work overseas, different places. Like I said, it's 1048 01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:19.480 growing up. I will say this about it, and this 1049 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:25.039 is again my experience, my opinion. Growing up, we weren't 1050 01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:28.840 really allowed by our parents or anywhere else to go 1051 01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:31.960 anywhere or venture out. And when I would ask why, 1052 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:36.280 they had enough knowledge to say they practice this in 1053 01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:39.440 their building. And we don't think that God commands that 1054 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.639 nine times out of ten for us. Because there's some 1055 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:46.159 there's some Churches of Christ now that will have instrumental music. 1056 01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.599 But the thing that I think a lot of people 1057 01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:51.079 when they think of Church of Christ, everything that we do. 1058 01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:54.800 I when I say we, I'm talking about our congregation 1059 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:57.719 and the ones that I know of around here, it's 1060 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:04.280 it's acapella singing that God said, make music with the 1061 01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:08.719 melody of your heart. That's I should know that that's 1062 01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:13.079 it's mentioned in Ephesians and Collausions about the heart being 1063 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:18.239 the instrument that makes the music. So again, we try 1064 01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:20.360 not to add to scripture and we try not to 1065 01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.000 take away. And I've been a part of a lot 1066 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:26.280 of studies when it comes to the idea of instrumental 1067 01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:32.119 music in worship. Instrumental music wasn't really a thing until 1068 01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:36.039 probably around the eighteen hundreds when it started seeping its 1069 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:39.320 way in. And we talked about the Reformation movement and 1070 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.880 you know Martin Luther nailing that to the door, and 1071 01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.880 you know John Calvin and some other guys, and there's 1072 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:48.159 one guy I wanted to ask you about if we 1073 01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:54.760 have time today, that you know, they were solely against 1074 01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:58.920 instrumental music and it and it slowly crept its way in. 1075 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.679 And then you know, the argument that I would get 1076 01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:05.079 from friends and people that I that I dearly love, 1077 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.559 that may be of the Baptist faith or you know whatever. Uh, 1078 01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:11.480 for one, what what is the what is the name 1079 01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:14.440 that you're wearing? It's I am a Baptist. Well for 1080 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.400 those that are members of the Church of Christ, like 1081 01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.440 we typically say we're Christian, and we used to say 1082 01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.280 we're non denominational, but now that term is kind of 1083 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:27.239 kind of everywhere now. But we're first and foremost of Christian. 1084 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:29.639 You know, the Bible says that they were first called 1085 01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.199 Christians and Antioch and that that's in the Book of 1086 01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:34.960 Acts and then in the Book of Rome's. As paul 1087 01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:39.000 Is is signing off, he says, the churches of Christ 1088 01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:43.760 salute you. So the the idea of we we don't 1089 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.880 want to wear the label, uh, you know, Churches of Christ. 1090 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:51.079 We we are a Christian and to be a Christian 1091 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:55.480 you belong to Christ. And the church I think is 1092 01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:59.599 I can never say eclestea. Uh, the called out were 1093 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:02.480 to be we were to be separate. So being the 1094 01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:06.599 church where a group of members that are in Christ 1095 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:11.039 or of Christ. And so that's that's kind of our mindset. 1096 01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:13.599 And we're not going around trying to think that, hey, 1097 01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:17.920 that we know more, we're better than you. There's problems 1098 01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:19.960 everywhere you go. I'm not going to say that any 1099 01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:24.920 congregation you find is perfect, but it's we try real 1100 01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:27.880 hard to love and build each other up and encourage 1101 01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.159 and and like I said, so you know, growing up 1102 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:35.039 as a child, that was usually a instrumental reason why 1103 01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:38.480 we couldn't go another big one. You know. I believe 1104 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.400 the Bible teaches and Acts twenty verse seven that on 1105 01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:44.519 the first day of the week when the disciples were 1106 01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:48.480 together to break bread. I think communion is a huge 1107 01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:53.519 part of what we do together, to break the bread 1108 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:56.079 and take the cup and remember in the Lord's death 1109 01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:59.599 till he comes. Well, that's something that we do every 1110 01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:04.079 Sunday without exception. Uh, it's not something that we do 1111 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.599 once or twice a year, because it's it's important for 1112 01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:11.599 us to remember what Jesus Christ went through, that that 1113 01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:15.480 bread representing his body, that that cup representing his blood, 1114 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:19.239 and that he overcame the grave and we're we're waiting 1115 01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:21.159 on him to come back, as you know, but the 1116 01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:24.199 way we've been waiting for you know, two thousand years. 1117 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.119 Yeah, that's I know. A church I visit, they do 1118 01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:29.760 it once a month. My son's church does it. I 1119 01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.039 believe they do it every single Sunday like yours. It's 1120 01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:35.320 you know that the early church, and like you said 1121 01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.559 in Acts, when when the church was first arrived, they 1122 01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:39.920 met first day of the week for worship fellowship and 1123 01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:42.559 that always included the Lord's Supper. 1124 01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:46.119 Yeah, and that's the that's the one place that I'll say, 1125 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:49.000 especially my wife has made headway when she's talked to 1126 01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:52.920 her friends. And you know, number one, I would I 1127 01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:56.519 would challenge the listener. Uh, if somebody ever asked you, 1128 01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:58.559 and again I love questions, why do you believe what 1129 01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:01.119 you believe? You oughto be able to give an answer 1130 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.280 to why you do things. And so when when I 1131 01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:06.639 would ask that of my friends that she's she's had 1132 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:10.079 really good success, well why do why do you only 1133 01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:12.840 take it? When the Bible says this, why do you 1134 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:15.519 only do it? This? Help me understand. I'm not trying 1135 01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:17.519 to you know, belittle or put down. You know, this 1136 01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:20.599 is good honest conversation in dialog, and it wouldn't you 1137 01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:23.840 know again, questions engage thoughts. It would get the wheels turning, 1138 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.239 and you know, they would come back and say, you know, 1139 01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:28.280 I asked my you know, I ask my preacher, asked 1140 01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:30.880 my pastor, asked you know, and they said, well, we 1141 01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.679 know what that says, but we're afraid it's going to 1142 01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:39.880 lose its meaning. Well if if, if, if, the the death, burial, 1143 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:44.159 and resurrection of Jesus Christ is going to lose its 1144 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:46.760 meaning if you partake and the emblems we're told to 1145 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:52.599 partake of. I take issue with that. I challenge how 1146 01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:56.679 much did My first thought would be, do you really 1147 01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.119 know the price that was paid when when you when 1148 01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.679 you look at how Christ give up all the glories 1149 01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:05.079 of heaven and everything that he gave up to become 1150 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.079 mortal man and take on flesh, be born of woman, 1151 01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:11.760 and come to this earth and lived a perfect sinless 1152 01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:16.559 life and then was found guilty of whatever heresies they 1153 01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:19.800 thought he committed and would rather have a murderer set 1154 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:22.719 free than a man that they could find no fault 1155 01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:26.360 in that. That kind of love that left all of 1156 01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:30.239 that to come to this earth and take up on 1157 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:35.159 the sins of you and me and everyone was placed 1158 01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:38.599 upon him to have his father turn his face away 1159 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:41.400 because you cannot look upon sin and and. 1160 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:43.480 Die. 1161 01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:47.039 That Agon hadn't even talked about the scourge. If you 1162 01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.519 really want to see brutality, look into the history of 1163 01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:52.440 the Roman scourge and what Jesus went through before he 1164 01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:56.360 got to the cross. But then then for that, you know, 1165 01:06:56.440 --> 01:07:01.000 to be to have one of the the our preacher 1166 01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:06.639 this weekend made the comment he said, through his Bible's study, 1167 01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:09.119 here's just a piece of trivia for you may or 1168 01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:11.920 may not know. He said how many men in the 1169 01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.320 New Testament were called good? And I'm gonna be honest 1170 01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:16.960 with you, George. I wrote it on my notes when 1171 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.199 he told me the names of the two men, I 1172 01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:22.199 wrote your name next to one of them. The first 1173 01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:24.360 one he said that was called good that he could 1174 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:27.760 find was Joseph of a Marathia, who went and asked 1175 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:31.239 for the body of Jesus to bury it in the tomb, 1176 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:36.639 again fulfilling prophecy. So he was called a good man. 1177 01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:39.079 It says something about his character, about being a follower 1178 01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:43.480 of Christ. The other one was Barnabas, and you probably know, 1179 01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:46.519 but for the listeners he may not know. Barnabas was 1180 01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:50.480 called the son of Encouragement, and God called Barnabas good. 1181 01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:53.159 And when he said that, I couldn't help but think 1182 01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:58.320 of you and the podcast and the encouragement You've been 1183 01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:02.159 through these two hundred and something episodes to other people 1184 01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:04.400 to get them to study and learn for the for 1185 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:07.079 the truth, you know, to seek out the truth. And 1186 01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:10.119 uh so, I, just like I said, building up to this, 1187 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:13.400 my mind's been on a lot of scripture, it's been 1188 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.680 on you, it's been, you know, prayerful for you and 1189 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:19.039 your studies in the seminary and the church, and just 1190 01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:21.800 just praying that God's message could be spread. But but 1191 01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:24.039 I would say, my friend, that you you definitely are 1192 01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:27.640 a Barnabas because you you do encourage so many people. 1193 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:31.479 You probably have no idea of the impact that you've 1194 01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:33.279 had when your time is over. 1195 01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.119 Well, I appreciate that we need to bring back these names. 1196 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:39.760 By the way, Barnabas, what a great name. Acts four 1197 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:44.520 thirty six now Joseph Elivit of Cyprian birth, who was 1198 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:47.600 also called Barnabas by the Apostles, which is translated to 1199 01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:48.640 a son of encouragement. 1200 01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:50.920 Yeah, yeah, pretty special. 1201 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:55.560 Yeah for sure, thank you so much. I guess we 1202 01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:57.199 should talk about flat Earth a little bit. 1203 01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:02.159 Yeah yeah, so yeah, that's I could talk Bible all day. 1204 01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:05.039 Yeah me too. I looked as like, oh, we're an 1205 01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:07.399 hour seven in maybe we should mention the flatter. 1206 01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:10.000 Oh wow, okay, yeah, it seems like twenty minutes. 1207 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:12.239 No, I am in no rush today, brother, It's this 1208 01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:14.840 has been just a great conversation so. 1209 01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:16.800 Well. 1210 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:21.680 I appreciate that I'm worried and prayed about it because 1211 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:25.840 I want it to be beneficial to I know how 1212 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:28.159 much I've got out of the podcast from others, and 1213 01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:29.640 I just want to be able to give back in 1214 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:32.159 some small ways. So yeah, I appreciate the opportunity. 1215 01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:35.720 Absolutely. Let me ask you this question first, have you 1216 01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:38.800 number one, have you had any success sharing this? And 1217 01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:42.319 number two? Obviously Jason had success? Shout out to Jason. 1218 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:48.399 Have you found that breadcrumbs are better than drinking from 1219 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:49.079 a fire hose? 1220 01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:56.479 For me? No, I'm like I said, sometimes I'm as 1221 01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:00.760 blunt as a hammer. So have I had success sharing this? 1222 01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:06.079 H Yes, absolutely, I have the the the fire hose 1223 01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:09.199 method for me that the crumbs are okay, and I've 1224 01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:12.239 seen it. I've seen it both ways, honestly. So when 1225 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:17.399 when I read you those text messages I had basically 1226 01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:23.319 from April till about September, the first of just consuming 1227 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:28.199 and studying what what is? What is the shape? And 1228 01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:32.479 here's a buzzword that I've learned to hate. If you 1229 01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:35.239 catch me saying the word planet, just virtually slap me, 1230 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:39.960 because nowhere in scripture does God describe Earth as a planet. 1231 01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:43.880 It's not there. So I'll just I'll get on this, 1232 01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.520 my little soap box of Earth and so when I 1233 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:50.079 got on this topic of looking at Earth and how 1234 01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:53.960 it was created and consuming all this information, the idea 1235 01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:56.439 about sharing it. Here's where the bread crumb thing come in. 1236 01:10:57.079 --> 01:10:57.199 Uh. 1237 01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:03.520 So in September, uh myself and two of my brothers 1238 01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.720 in Christ from church and another individual that I did 1239 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:08.880 not know, but he's a brother in Christ. He's an 1240 01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:12.039 older gentleman. He serves as an elder now, but he's 1241 01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:16.640 been a preacher for several years. So I had the 1242 01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:20.600 privilege of being We were in my truck headed west 1243 01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:22.800 Elk Hunt for a week. So basically, you know, we're 1244 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.520 talking a twenty seven hour drive out there and back. 1245 01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:29.039 And so every time I get in the truck, you know, 1246 01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:32.960 the phone connects to the radio, and the radio pops 1247 01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.960 up Spotify and what's there, it's you know, the Flat 1248 01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:41.680 Earth Files. Bible Mysteries is another podcast that I've listened 1249 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:44.239 to because those guys challenge my thinking on a lot. 1250 01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:47.000 I disagree with them a lot on some things when 1251 01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:50.760 it comes to salvation, once saved, always save, things like that. 1252 01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:54.000 But I still like to listen to stuff that I 1253 01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:57.039 don't agree with, just so it can challenge me to 1254 01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:01.920 dive deeper into scripture. So anyway, because again I may 1255 01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:03.760 be wrong. I don't have all the answers, so I 1256 01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:06.760 need to look and prove it. You know, Again, the 1257 01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:10.840 Bible says test all things. So getting back to that, 1258 01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:14.880 we get somewhere around Saint Louis. And so when you 1259 01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.760 get when you get in the truck, people's vehicles may 1260 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:19.239 be this. It pops up the you know, the the 1261 01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:21.880 icons on the screen and there would be you know, 1262 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:23.560 flat Earth files. And I thought, I don't know if 1263 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:25.359 I'm ready to have this conversation or not. So i' 1264 01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:27.960 you know, hit a button and make it disappear. Well, 1265 01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:31.920 somewhere around Saint Louis, Kansas City somewhere. I got in 1266 01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.680 and I didn't get that button hit fast enough, and 1267 01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:37.279 my buddy tied me from the back. He goes, Chris, 1268 01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:40.479 what in the world is flat Earth files? And so 1269 01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.680 I tried my best to explain. You know. I went 1270 01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:45.520 back to hey, you remember this class because he's one 1271 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:47.119 of the teachers in there. On Wednesday night with him 1272 01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:49.920 as well, I was like, uh, you remember you know 1273 01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:53.600 this conversation? Yeah, I said, Man, after class, I got 1274 01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.560 sent something and it has changed my life in the 1275 01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.520 view of scripture, and I said, I think for the better. 1276 01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:03.600 And one of my other buddies in there, Mike, who 1277 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:07.840 goes to church with me. Mike is an engineer by trade. 1278 01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:10.199 So everything with Mike, and I love him dearly. He 1279 01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:13.800 is polar opposite of me. He's very analytical, very you know, 1280 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.279 very by the book thinker. 1281 01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:20.039 All about the numbers, all about the numbers, yes and uh. 1282 01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:22.359 And the other guy, like I said, Dana, it was like, well, 1283 01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:25.680 the the this, this is what I've learned. The older 1284 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:28.479 I say say older generation because I'm getting to be 1285 01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:31.199 in that generation now. But the guys that I have 1286 01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:35.159 found in there, let's just say sixty five plus, I 1287 01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:38.720 have found that, with the exception of my dad, I'm 1288 01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:41.479 not going to penetrate their wall of belief that pretty 1289 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:44.159 much they're pretty much said in their ways. These other 1290 01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:46.960 two guys are around our age. You know, I think 1291 01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:49.119 you're a few years older than mere. They're in their 1292 01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:52.560 early fifties, and you know, so I did my best 1293 01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:56.079 to go into what I had learned about NASA and 1294 01:13:56.119 --> 01:14:00.520 we've been lied to and just you know, just hashing 1295 01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:02.840 all of those early episodes that had played in my 1296 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:05.199 mind and if and if this is a lie. This 1297 01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:07.760 has got to be a lie. And at what at 1298 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.119 what point? And I would ask all the listeners this, 1299 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:13.640 at what point do you quit believing somebody when they 1300 01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:16.359 lie to you? Is it after one lie? Two lies? 1301 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.000 How many lies have to be told to you before 1302 01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:21.800 you Okay, I've had enough. And when you can start 1303 01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:24.640 pointing those out and punching holes in it, you know, 1304 01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:27.119 I thought, well, maybe they'll grasp on. And so I 1305 01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:29.399 kind of went through this little spill of of what 1306 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:32.279 I had learned up to that point, which you know, 1307 01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:35.119 I didn't know how comfortable I would be getting my 1308 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:39.840 thoughts and stuff together, and so uh, anyway that he was. 1309 01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:42.479 They were like, okay, that's interesting. You don't believe none 1310 01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:44.960 of that, do you? And this is this is where 1311 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:48.079 my faith was put to the test, And I said, 1312 01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:51.119 I believe one hundred percent that we've been lied to. 1313 01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:55.880 I believe that I serve a God who is such 1314 01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:59.600 a great creator. If he would have wanted to make 1315 01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:03.359 a round ball and have water stick to it, there 1316 01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:06.720 is not a doubt in my mind that he could 1317 01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:10.760 have created that. But the pages of my Bible, that's 1318 01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.359 not what he said he created. And at this point 1319 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:15.560 in time. I hadn't looked into Enoch or anything else 1320 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:18.520 at this point in time. And uh, and I said, 1321 01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:20.840 And they said, so you you're a flat earther. And 1322 01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:25.560 I said the phrase biblical earth. I said, that has 1323 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:28.640 such a negative connotation to it. Let's let's say And 1324 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:31.960 I said, I believe it's something different. And so you know, 1325 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:34.079 it got quiet for two or three hours, and then 1326 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:37.119 I done forgot which one. I ask, well, well, what 1327 01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:41.199 what what is? How do you explain eclipses? And they've 1328 01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:44.119 been back there on their phone googling, you know, flat 1329 01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:47.560 earth and this and that, And I said, guys, I'm 1330 01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:49.920 still learning a lot of it. I said, there's you know, 1331 01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:53.359 how they were wanting to know about if the Earth 1332 01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:56.880 is flat, how can there be you know, how can 1333 01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:58.640 the sun get around the Earth? And I knew that 1334 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:03.000 And and these guys that have devoted their life to 1335 01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:05.920 this teaching, forgive me. Is it David Weiss who has 1336 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:09.119 the the app or the map that shows how the 1337 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:12.199 sun can move inside the farm and the moon and 1338 01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:14.079 you know it can it can you know basically on 1339 01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:19.600 that gleasing map you know, illuminate everything. And and so anyway, 1340 01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:21.399 they started hitting me with questions, and it would be 1341 01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:24.279 like every two hours it would just be this random question, 1342 01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:26.920 well what about this? What about that? What about? And 1343 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:28.880 it was just kind of this back and forth. And 1344 01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:30.960 forgive me, I don't remember all the details of the 1345 01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:33.600 conversation that you know, we go out there and hunt, 1346 01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:36.640 and of course this was hilarious. The house we were 1347 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:43.159 staying at had a literally george a floor to ceiling 1348 01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:46.960 map of the world. It was it was, you know, 1349 01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:50.960 rolled out like you've seen in the schools, and you know, here, 1350 01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.840 here is this map of the world. And of course 1351 01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:56.359 that was I was sleeping in the basement with the 1352 01:16:56.399 --> 01:16:58.920 other gentlemen and it was down there, and they come 1353 01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:00.359 down there and just he hauled and they said, well, 1354 01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:02.039 I guess that white border is going to be the 1355 01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:04.199 ice wall. And you know, it was all this back 1356 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:06.399 and forth, but it was all in all in good fun. 1357 01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:09.359 And here's the other thing. If you can't talk about 1358 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:13.319 the idea of a biblical earth or flat earth without 1359 01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:17.640 getting mad, don't talk about it. If they if they laugh, 1360 01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:20.319 laugh with them, if they cut up, cut up with them. 1361 01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:24.560 But because as you dive deeper into this, you can 1362 01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:26.720 hit them with stuff and then you can kind of 1363 01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:29.840 laugh at them, and but it's it's about knowing, knowing 1364 01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:32.520 who you're with. But uh, you know, fast, you know, 1365 01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:34.880 fast forward through that trip, the hunting trip, and on 1366 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:37.000 the way back, it was like every couple hours they 1367 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:40.159 were hitting me with something. So I had obviously you know, 1368 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:45.399 planet planet a seed with them. And then I you know, 1369 01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:47.279 I got to work and I started listening to the 1370 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:50.720 podcast some at work and some employees heard it, uh, 1371 01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:52.640 and they were like, yeah, I'm on board with that. 1372 01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:56.079 And and side note here with the younger generation, it's 1373 01:17:56.119 --> 01:18:00.399 amazing how many of our younger generation may not be 1374 01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:02.960 believe in a biblical earth, but they one hundred percent 1375 01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:04.479 believe man never went to the moon. 1376 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:04.800 Yep. 1377 01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:07.640 Uh, you know, and so I think, I think that's 1378 01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:10.479 a good starting point with some people. But then I've 1379 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:13.880 just went you know, like like the friend I mentioned earlier, 1380 01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:16.880 I pretty much went full fledged fire hose on him 1381 01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:20.439 and said, you know this, this is what I'm struggling with. 1382 01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.760 I believe we've been lied to. I believe the sun 1383 01:18:24.439 --> 01:18:26.760 and the moon and the stars are inside the firmament. 1384 01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:29.319 I believe we're on this firm foundation. I don't think 1385 01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:32.720 the firmament's ever left and when you start and in 1386 01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:34.279 his response, and I don't know if it was your 1387 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:37.359 podcast or somebody else, And he was based like Chris 1388 01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:40.920 with with working fifty hours a week and a wife 1389 01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:43.760 that works fifty hours a week and two teenage boys. 1390 01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:48.479 I don't have time to dive into that stuff. I know, Jesus, 1391 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:52.960 I want to keep sharing. Jesus, I think that's absolutely ridiculous. 1392 01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:56.520 And and he don't he doesn't know this, but you 1393 01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:59.039 know his next comment was, he said, you need to 1394 01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:02.880 be careful who you share this with because it could 1395 01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:08.079 affect your influence, your reputation if people really believe and 1396 01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:11.680 understand this when I say this. We're close enough friends 1397 01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:15.119 that we are like brothers. And if there was something 1398 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:17.640 in his life, I would love him enough to tell him, 1399 01:19:18.039 --> 01:19:21.479 and he would tell me. And he said, because you 1400 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:24.279 could say that to the wrong person and just you know, 1401 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.239 basically be labble to quack. He said, you could really 1402 01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.239 lose a lot of influence. And you know, I couldn't help, 1403 01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:32.199 but go back. We talked about persecution. But I was 1404 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:34.079 I sitting out here on the porch that night, staring 1405 01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:36.319 at the staring at the moon, while I'm having this 1406 01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:38.920 conversation with him, you know, And there was a little 1407 01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:42.399 part of me that thought, well, is you know somebody 1408 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:45.239 I love dearly that don't know he's you know, throwing 1409 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.319 some darts at me, but he loves me enough that 1410 01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:50.720 he's telling me what he thinks, and that much I appreciate. 1411 01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:53.399 But I'm not going to let that stop me. And 1412 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:55.920 I think I you know, in that original email that 1413 01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:58.439 I sent you several months ago, just to thank you 1414 01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:02.399 for what you were doing, you know, it wound up 1415 01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:05.319 leading me to such a strong belief that we've been 1416 01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:09.000 lied to that, like you alluded to on a prior podcast, 1417 01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:13.279 we had the conversation in about four or five weeks 1418 01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:18.520 of Wednesday night classes. We started with Genesis, and you know, 1419 01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:23.479 we and you know the very beginning of the Book 1420 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:26.800 of Genesis. In the beginning, God created the heavens in 1421 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:31.039 the earth. So right off of the bat, the reader 1422 01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:33.960 has to make a decision do I believe in science 1423 01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:38.520 or do I believe in what God says? And I 1424 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:40.399 don't know if you've ever heard this, I don't think 1425 01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:42.960 this idea was original with me, but but I'm going 1426 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:44.800 to share it to you, share it with you right now. 1427 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:47.039 So you know, when you ask somebody what the Earth 1428 01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:49.760 looks like, you know their mind goes back to the 1429 01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:53.079 globe in the classroom, the blue marble, whatever, whatever picture 1430 01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:56.600 of Earth you want it to look like your program 1431 01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:00.359 because of the globe. And you know that comes a 1432 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:03.319 parent in the early episodes where y'all are talking about that, 1433 01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:06.399 because once you see it everywhere, you literally see it 1434 01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:09.600 everywhere now And I don't think I ever touched on that. 1435 01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:12.560 When Jason sent me those text messages and I noticed 1436 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.399 they were on four eighteen and four twenty, the day 1437 01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:18.520 I didn't respond was April the nineteenth. And then as 1438 01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:20.880 you start having these rabbit holes and learn what you know, 1439 01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:26.039 April nineteenth is yeah. I was like, you know that 1440 01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:29.079 that day didn't mean nothing to me. I started down this, 1441 01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:33.039 but but you get so this is the little experiment. 1442 01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:35.560 I may have heard this on your podcast, but I 1443 01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:38.760 would challenge the listeners right now if I said, in 1444 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:44.640 your mind picture the Last Supper or Jesus institutes the 1445 01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:48.439 Lord's Supper, I would dare to say that right now 1446 01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:51.159 most people are probably thinking of I think it was 1447 01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:54.079 Da Vinci that painted the Last Supper with you know, 1448 01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:56.800 the Virgin Mary leaning on him, and or not the 1449 01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:59.479 Virgin Mary Mary Magdalene leaning on him, and everybody's on 1450 01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:02.760 the same out of the table, because that's the painting 1451 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:06.439 that's been out there forever, and that's that's the picture 1452 01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:09.760 that's in everybody's mind. So when I when I presented 1453 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:13.560 that question to the class that night, that okay, close 1454 01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:16.119 your eyes and think of think of the Last Supper. 1455 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:18.479 And then I said, is this what come to your mind? 1456 01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.159 Every hand in the classroom went up, Well, why is that? 1457 01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:24.159 Because that's what you were programmed to think, that's what 1458 01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:29.279 you've seen. So let's let's take all the notions of 1459 01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:32.239 of what you think the earth looks like, and let's 1460 01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:35.199 look at it from a biblical perspective. And so we 1461 01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:37.800 had we had three or four weeks, well four or 1462 01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:41.920 five weeks excuse me of diving in and looking at 1463 01:22:41.960 --> 01:22:46.279 that topic. But I didn't just fire hose the class 1464 01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:48.920 with it. You know, I had to set it up 1465 01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:51.520 to get to that point. You know, the question that 1466 01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:55.600 I ask in every class was I would always, in 1467 01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:58.479 some way, shape or form, you know, ask do you 1468 01:22:58.520 --> 01:23:02.640 think those people were were not as intelligent as us? 1469 01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:07.640 When we're talking about the Old Testament scriptures, and in 1470 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:10.800 hands down the answer was always no, no, no, they 1471 01:23:11.119 --> 01:23:13.199 they some you know some of that, you know, Abraham 1472 01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:16.920 know you know these guys talk directly with God, you know. 1473 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.079 They you know, God was you know, dwelt among them 1474 01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:23.239 in some sense. And the patriarchs would you know, they 1475 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:26.680 they fully knew because where we just have scripture that 1476 01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:29.560 that is living and breathing and sharper than to it 1477 01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:33.760 edge sword, they they had God there, you know. And 1478 01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:36.800 in New Testament days, the Jesus the word is self 1479 01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:39.880 dwelt among them. So no, there's there's no way. And 1480 01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.079 then when you get to the you know, the text 1481 01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:45.840 that everybody wants to go to, which is a great text, 1482 01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:49.800 you know, Joshua, you know the Sun and Moon stand still. 1483 01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:52.000 I was like, you know, they were like, well, that's 1484 01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:54.399 just the way they understood it. And I said, well, 1485 01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:57.159 y'all are the same class that for four weeks have 1486 01:23:57.359 --> 01:24:00.880 said that they were more. They even used examples like 1487 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:03.359 they built the pyramids, they did this, They did that 1488 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:06.760 without any tools, So no, they weren't dumb. And I said, 1489 01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:11.640 so you're rationale for believing that is that it's just 1490 01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:14.279 the way they understood it. Well, yeah, because it looks 1491 01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:17.000 like the sun rises and it looks like the sun sets, 1492 01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:20.199 and it's what they would have interpreted it to be. 1493 01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:25.159 And I said, they're inspired writers. God could have just 1494 01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:31.159 as easily said Earth stands still, Earth, you know, quit moving. 1495 01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:34.600 But why didn't he say that? What it's because it 1496 01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:38.000 goes against the rest of scripture that the earth is 1497 01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:40.399 on foundations, it shall not be moved, you know, the 1498 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:43.279 the universe. You know it was the Genesis two to one. 1499 01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:45.359 I think you know it was completed. It was finished, 1500 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:49.079 it was over and well and you can see their 1501 01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:53.880 wheels turning that they don't want to say okay. But 1502 01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:56.640 the one that gets me. And I don't know how 1503 01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:59.119 this this text, and this is where I say, I'm 1504 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:03.600 always learning. But if you've got your Bible and want 1505 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:07.439 to go there Isaiah thirty eight eight mentions it. But 1506 01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:13.439 first Kings twenty verses nine through eleven, And I here again, 1507 01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:16.000 like I said, when you think you no, you know 1508 01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:18.479 it all, you don't, the Bible humbles Yet I wish 1509 01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:21.079 I would have had this verse because to me, when 1510 01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:23.840 people last for you know, the six silver bullets, what's 1511 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.640 the number one proof to me, I think this verse 1512 01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:29.359 is going to come to the top of my list. 1513 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:33.079 It this is excuse me, Second Kings, chapter twenty, verse 1514 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:36.079 starting in verse nine. Then Isaiah said, this is the 1515 01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:38.199 sign to you from the Lord, that the Lord will 1516 01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:40.960 do the thing which he has spoken. And he asked him, 1517 01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:44.199 shall the shadow go four to ten degrees or backward 1518 01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:48.479 ten degrees? And Hezekia answered genius answer, I think are 1519 01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:52.439 here it's easy for it's easy thing for the shadow 1520 01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:56.000 to go down ten degrees, because Son's going that way anyway. 1521 01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:59.079 And he says, no, you know, asking and I'm reading 1522 01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:01.680 out of the New Kings Jane version and it says, 1523 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:05.239 but let the shadow go backwards ten degrees. Uh. So 1524 01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:07.720 Isaiah the prophet cried out to the Lord and brought 1525 01:26:07.720 --> 01:26:11.039 the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone 1526 01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:16.600 down on the sun dial of they has And here again, 1527 01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:20.720 I have been blessed to have been born and raised 1528 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:24.680 in the church, you know, almost fifty years of my 1529 01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:29.479 life now. And somehow that verse has either been skimmed over, 1530 01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:33.720 read over, not elaborated on or something. But it's it's 1531 01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.800 just like the one in Joshua where sun and moon 1532 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:41.439 stands still there's to me, there's no way the reader 1533 01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:45.439 can mistranslate that the sun went back? Did the Earth 1534 01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:47.720 stop and go back? Because you know, if you want 1535 01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:50.199 to believe in science, you know that scientifically, if the 1536 01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:53.039 Earth was to come to a stop and rotate backwards, 1537 01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:55.880 what that's gonna do? I just uh and and and 1538 01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:58.760 let me let me say this that you know, the 1539 01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:02.000 the class of people that that I have the privilege 1540 01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:04.880 to I hate to say teach, but I lead and 1541 01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:07.199 thought is what I try to do because that's what 1542 01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:11.560 I want to provoke. Thinking is a class of about 1543 01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:15.119 twenty five people. On a good night, we may have thirty. 1544 01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:19.039 Most of them are age fifty five to college age. 1545 01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:27.079 And you know they're a very they're very They study 1546 01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:30.239 their Bible, is what I'm trying to say. And when 1547 01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.399 you can challenge them on these things that they haven't 1548 01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:38.720 heard from a pulpit, haven't really dwelt on people that 1549 01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:42.560 normally don't speak out in class. After we started this session, 1550 01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:46.680 you know, I would get text messages that say, you 1551 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:50.479 have you know, thank you for making me think. We've 1552 01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:53.159 wondered about this check out. You know, this podcast's what 1553 01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:55.720 turned me on to the to the Bible Mysteries guy, 1554 01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:58.840 because the very first episode is talking about the Earth 1555 01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:02.079 and its creation and you know the idea that maybe 1556 01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:04.920 this earth was created for angels. First, again, I don't 1557 01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:08.640 necessarily agree with everything that these guys say, but they 1558 01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:12.760 provoke a lot of thought, and something they say may 1559 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:15.359 link a piece of something together that I've heard somewhere 1560 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:19.079 else that makes it makes perfect sense. I would I 1561 01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:24.479 would encourage more listeners that if they have the opportunity 1562 01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:26.560 to teach, and they're comfortable in front of a crowd, 1563 01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:29.560 and if you're comfortable saying I don't know the answer 1564 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:31.960 to that, I'm just gonna speak where the Bible speaks, 1565 01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:34.920 and I'm gonna be silent or it's silent if it 1566 01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:39.600 don't engage some thought to make people go, well, is 1567 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.079 is Nasaaliine? Have I been lying to you the whole time? 1568 01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:45.119 Then then what's the purpose? I would invite them back 1569 01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:45.920 to the original. 1570 01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:46.960 Why the lie? 1571 01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:50.960 And you know who is who is really ruling you know, 1572 01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:54.560 ruling this world that you know that we call earth? Uh, 1573 01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:57.920 it's the Prince of Darkness. It's it's Satan. He's using 1574 01:28:57.960 --> 01:29:01.279 every tactic he has to take people farther and farther 1575 01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:03.960 and farther away from the truth. That's just what I believe. 1576 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:08.600 Yeah, that's the proverbial nail on the head, right there is. 1577 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:12.760 And that's what I'm quick to show people. The verses 1578 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:16.199 in the Bible, whether it's in Ephesians two, Ephesians six, 1579 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:18.680 Second Corinthians, of course, the big one John eight four 1580 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:22.840 to four. There's many examples about Satan. He is going 1581 01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:25.000 to deceive the whole world. He can't create anything, but 1582 01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:27.800 he lies and he perverts, and that's the greatest tool 1583 01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:32.720 he has is deception. And the problem you have is 1584 01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:37.960 people traditionally do not like change. They like to be 1585 01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:41.640 creatures of habit and I think subconsciously they know if 1586 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:46.319 they take this information in it's going to wholesale change 1587 01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:48.560 their lives. But I think what they don't understand is 1588 01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:51.760 how it changes it for the good and how in 1589 01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:54.600 many ways for people to save their lives. Right that, 1590 01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:58.479 they start, well, maybe I should question everything. Oh well, 1591 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:01.800 maybe the this vaccine isn't a good ITEA, maybe this, 1592 01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:04.279 maybe that, And we live in a world that is 1593 01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:08.520 full of deceit, and we should absolutely one question everything. 1594 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:13.319 You also made a great point. I don't remember who 1595 01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:14.600 brought it up before. I don't know if it was 1596 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:17.439 on this podcast or not, but the whole Da Vinci 1597 01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:23.520 with the the Last Supper. Even when I remember when 1598 01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:24.880 I heard it for the first time, I think I 1599 01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:28.119 actually heard it on another podcast or YouTube channel. Even 1600 01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:30.840 when you research it on Google, if you ask it 1601 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:35.159 a question, it'll always the AI will always refer back 1602 01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:39.000 to the image of Da Vinci. Not that correct me 1603 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:40.920 if I'm wrong, But it was like a U shaped table, 1604 01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:44.399 and traditionally I do know this that the host never 1605 01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:47.680 sat in the middle, and I think he sat between Jesus, 1606 01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:51.439 sat between John and Judas, yes, but on the end, 1607 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:54.159 not in the middle of the table right right. 1608 01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:59.159 And I've heard other people mention this show, but the 1609 01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:02.680 idea of that that's the only picture I had ever 1610 01:31:02.720 --> 01:31:05.439 seen of the Last Supper. So, you know, even today 1611 01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:09.239 when I catch myself a lot of times when you know, 1612 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:14.239 when I'm taking communion and I get my mind going 1613 01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:17.560 back to the cross a lot of times if if 1614 01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:21.760 there is you know, maybe maybe some kind of distraction. 1615 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:23.840 You know, we're blessed to have a lot of young 1616 01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:27.239 children in our congregation, and maybe one of them, you know, 1617 01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:31.439 crying out or something which babies in church is a 1618 01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:34.720 good thing. Take take your crying babies to church. Church 1619 01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:37.880 a church. Yeah, they need to be there, teach them early. 1620 01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:42.000 But a lot of times my mind will go back 1621 01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:47.680 to Jesus instituting the Lord's Supper in Matthew, maybe even 1622 01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:50.880 First Corinthians, Paul's account to the Corinthians and read what 1623 01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:53.399 is said, and I'll catch my mind going back to 1624 01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:55.920 the Da Vinci paint and I'll go Chris, you know 1625 01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.479 it's not that way. But I've heard a few people 1626 01:31:58.520 --> 01:31:59.920 mentioned this show to you. I don't know if you've 1627 01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:02.479 watched it or not, because it's it's really hard to 1628 01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:05.720 find what I would call good wholesome TV. But the 1629 01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:10.640 series The Chosen, Uh. I will give that my endorsement 1630 01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:13.880 until I hear something bad on them. They they they 1631 01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:17.760 do take liberties of filling in the gaps and adding 1632 01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:21.239 some other stories there with it, but I don't think 1633 01:32:21.279 --> 01:32:24.680 they get away from the core of the Bible. And 1634 01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:27.479 we're we're not fully caught up on the series because 1635 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:29.920 we watch it, you know, free on the app or whatever. 1636 01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:32.760 But you know, the other the other night they were 1637 01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:35.760 or the actually I think it's season five. They're they're 1638 01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:39.640 in the upper room as as you know that with 1639 01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:42.760 the Last Supper, and it is just what you said, 1640 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:46.319 the U shaped table in that you know, there's there's 1641 01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:50.159 five disciples down one side, five down the other Jesus 1642 01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:52.920 and this is in the center with John and Judas 1643 01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:57.119 on each side. So it's uh it when I asked 1644 01:32:57.119 --> 01:32:58.880 you to close your eyes and remember that those that 1645 01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:01.840 have watched that series may go to that picture. But 1646 01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:05.079 you know, it's it's just what we've been ingrained to 1647 01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:08.720 believe because we've seen it with their eyes or you know, 1648 01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:10.800 we think we heard it with their ears. But like 1649 01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:14.239 Jesus said, when that veil is removed, you can you 1650 01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:17.039 can see clearly. And again I would, you know, say 1651 01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:19.079 go to go to God in prayer and ask for 1652 01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:21.399 that veil to be removed. Help help him to help 1653 01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:24.800 you see the truth. You know. It's it's the conviction 1654 01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:29.239 in people when you look at conviction is such a 1655 01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:33.720 strong word. When when those when those men and women 1656 01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:37.680 on the Day of Pentecost and Acts chapter two realized 1657 01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:43.079 that it was Jesus the Messiah, they had crucified. It 1658 01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:46.600 says they were cut to the heart. That's still the 1659 01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:50.079 power of the gospel today when they realize who Jesus is, 1660 01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:52.880 that he can still cut you to the heart with 1661 01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:54.840 his love and what he done for us. You know, 1662 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:56.840 he has men and brethren, what shall we do? And 1663 01:33:56.920 --> 01:34:00.920 Peter said, arise and be baptized, you know know. And 1664 01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:03.800 it goes on to Satan that day, you know five 1665 01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:06.960 I think it's five thousand souls. I should have this memorized, 1666 01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:09.239 but I don't. But but it's it's the fact of 1667 01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:12.720 that conviction being being cut to the heart, that that 1668 01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:15.359 veil has been removed and they have seen Jesus will 1669 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:19.119 put it on the biblical earth perspective, when when you 1670 01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:21.920 take the veil of the globe away, and the veil 1671 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:24.359 of everything that you've been taught about, the moon and 1672 01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:29.279 outer space and the blackness of space and things, you 1673 01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:33.720 can you can realize then that that it's God is 1674 01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:37.680 is literally right up above us. He's he's he's here, 1675 01:34:37.760 --> 01:34:41.520 He's close. God is omnipresent, he he you know, Satan 1676 01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:45.640 doesn't have that advantage. Satan has to deceive others and 1677 01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:48.760 lead others astray so that they may lead you astray, 1678 01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:52.199 whether that's through TV, whether that's through music, whether that's 1679 01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:55.479 through movies, what, whatever the case may be, Satan has 1680 01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:59.399 to have agents to be everywhere where God doesn't. He 1681 01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:02.079 is omnip present, He's everywhere. We can go to him 1682 01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:05.079 now in prayer anywhere. And that's that should be a 1683 01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:10.000 beautiful comforting fact. Uh, to the to the reader, I think, so. 1684 01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:13.680 Yeah, that's a great point. I know this is overkill, 1685 01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:18.079 but I've even made it. I pulled out my compass 1686 01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:20.119 one night, I said, which way is north? And I 1687 01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:22.039 always pray north now before I go to bed. 1688 01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:27.239 Yeah, it's you know, and it's and it's funny that 1689 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:30.640 and I say this, I've got those little I guess 1690 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:36.000 maybe they're called idosyncrasies. Yeah, yeah, you know that you're 1691 01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:39.119 not commanded in scripture to look north and pray, but 1692 01:35:39.319 --> 01:35:42.000 it makes you feel closer to God. I'm not saying 1693 01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:44.760 that everything, you know, because you could, in my mind, 1694 01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:47.479 you could take that too far and say, well, it 1695 01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:49.159 makes me feel closer to God to do this, so 1696 01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:51.800 I'm going to do it. But but internally, if if 1697 01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:55.479 it if it's if it's not going against scripture, I mean, 1698 01:35:56.239 --> 01:35:58.359 you know, you're taught to bow your head and pray, 1699 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:02.199 and you're taught to to out out of respect and 1700 01:36:02.439 --> 01:36:06.520 and and majority of my prayers come from a bowl position. 1701 01:36:07.159 --> 01:36:10.239 But George, there's been times where I have looked up 1702 01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:13.000 to Heaven with tears in my eyes or with joy 1703 01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:17.199 or with sorrow, whatever the case may be, and prayed 1704 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:19.920 looking up to my Father. And then there's been times 1705 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:24.960 I have been driven prostate down to my knees flat 1706 01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:30.159 on the ground. So just I think the idea here 1707 01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:36.439 is it is when you're when you're in prayer to God, 1708 01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:40.039 you want you you want you know that you've got 1709 01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:44.760 his attention. Give him your attention. I have caught myself 1710 01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:47.439 so many times. You know the Bibles, We've had this 1711 01:36:47.520 --> 01:36:50.560 conversation in the Wednesday night class, pray without ceasing. What 1712 01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:52.880 does that look like? Is it? Is it? You know, 1713 01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:55.479 at the stop sign you're trying to say a quick prayer. 1714 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:58.720 I agree that those are prayers, and they may count 1715 01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:02.279 as prayers, but I don't feel that close connection with 1716 01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:07.479 my Father through Christ. Because again, Christ is our mediator. 1717 01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:10.600 He is our go between between us and the Father. 1718 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:15.760 And when you realize the sacrifice that He made so 1719 01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:18.720 you can have that relationship with the Father and be 1720 01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:22.359 called a child of God. Take enough time out of 1721 01:37:22.399 --> 01:37:24.920 your day. The Bible says, go to your private place, 1722 01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:29.640 your secret place, and and pray. Get away from all 1723 01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:31.840 the cell phones, the worldly distray. And I'm preaching to 1724 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:34.479 self here too, get away from all of those distractions 1725 01:37:35.079 --> 01:37:39.039 and have some one on one time with with the Father. 1726 01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:41.840 And at different stages of your life. You may bow, 1727 01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:45.159 you may look up, you may be driven to your knees. Uh, 1728 01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:46.319 But but he is there. 1729 01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:50.680 Amen. Great stuff. I did want to pull back on 1730 01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:53.000 two things. Did you just have a few minutes. 1731 01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.399 I'm I've got all day, brother, You're great, Okay. 1732 01:37:57.399 --> 01:38:01.359 I just wanted to make sure and we're way backtracking. 1733 01:38:01.399 --> 01:38:03.359 But I was just going over my notes again. I 1734 01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:06.279 wanted to talk about something that you mentioned at this 1735 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:09.439 point an hour ago, but I overglossed it. And that's 1736 01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:11.479 something that I think everybody should look into. It's called 1737 01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:14.840 eminent domain, and you talked about that is quite a 1738 01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:17.119 rabbit hole. There's a story that many people may not 1739 01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:20.239 be aware of. It's called the Centralias conspiracy theory. And 1740 01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:24.560 of course we'll drop the coin, the coin and in 1741 01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:29.600 the jar of the conspiracy coin. This took place in Centralia, Pennsylvania. 1742 01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:32.000 I don't know if you're familiar with it. But there 1743 01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:36.119 was a longstanding theory that there was a mind fire 1744 01:38:36.399 --> 01:38:38.960 in Pennsylvania and why it was done. It goes back 1745 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:43.479 to nineteen sixty two. After the mind fire, the various 1746 01:38:43.479 --> 01:38:46.760 government agencies along with private businesses, they all conspired to 1747 01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:51.680 get this valuable coal that was under the town. So 1748 01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:56.560 what they did they had no choice but to leave 1749 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:58.199 their homes. I'm going to leave the link in the 1750 01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:02.199 show notes for people, but you know, it's interesting here 1751 01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:06.479 in the state of Delaware, we've seen eminent domain from 1752 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:11.680 highways and other ventures like that. We are very close 1753 01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:14.600 with the family who Beckon the late seventies lost their 1754 01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:18.560 farm due to eminent doname. And now people are very 1755 01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:21.960 in this state are getting very upset. They've doubled tolls, 1756 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:27.520 they've doubled property taxes. And again I'm that guy who 1757 01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:32.640 over analyzes everything, but it's you know, God gave all 1758 01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:36.399 of us the earth, you know, go forth multiply, and 1759 01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:39.600 now it's gotten to in just sixty five hundred years overall, 1760 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:44.800 two thousand years after Christ, that we don't even own 1761 01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:46.439 the land that we call home. 1762 01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:52.399 Yeah, yeah, it's you. This has been a soapbox that 1763 01:39:52.479 --> 01:39:56.680 I have been owned forever because once, once you become 1764 01:39:57.159 --> 01:40:01.439 a tax paying adult, really start to realize how much 1765 01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:04.760 the government's taking. And if you're a small business business 1766 01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:07.119 owner out there, you know, bless your heart, because they're 1767 01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:11.159 gonna take even more. But I tell my family all 1768 01:40:11.199 --> 01:40:15.760 the time here here in our county anyway, in Tennessee, 1769 01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.479 property taxes are due to the last day of February. 1770 01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:21.119 And you're delinquent. We're we're fortunate enough that we own 1771 01:40:21.159 --> 01:40:24.239 our own house. But I said, you, you never truly 1772 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:27.439 own anything, because guess what if I don't, if I 1773 01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:30.279 don't pay my property tax, they're gonna come take it. 1774 01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:34.760 You know, if if you don't pay it, just you know, 1775 01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:38.920 registration on your car exactly, your your your license, you know, 1776 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:43.640 uh you fill in the blank. And you know, people 1777 01:40:44.279 --> 01:40:48.319 people for the most part, uh have no idea. And 1778 01:40:48.399 --> 01:40:51.680 I'm gonna I'm gonna sound the banner of the small 1779 01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:54.439 business owner out there of you know, you may be 1780 01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:56.640 open eight to five. They don't see you get there 1781 01:40:56.640 --> 01:40:58.840 at six and then leave at seven or later, or 1782 01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:01.439 phone ringing on the weekends or things like that. But 1783 01:41:01.800 --> 01:41:04.119 you know, in the in the state of Tennessee, you know, 1784 01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:07.960 you're you're collecting, you know, sales tax. In my case, 1785 01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:11.960 I was collecting tire fees. You know, you've got property taxes. 1786 01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:18.319 You've got you know something. For four twenty five years 1787 01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:22.279 I done business at my granddad's old shop, and then 1788 01:41:22.319 --> 01:41:24.760 we built a new one. When we built a new shop, 1789 01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:27.039 I had a state inspector come in and said, I'm 1790 01:41:27.079 --> 01:41:29.520 the buller inspector and I said, we don't have a buller. 1791 01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:32.439 He said, well, you've got air compressors and they have 1792 01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:35.359 to be certified. And I said, I've had them for 1793 01:41:35.399 --> 01:41:37.880 twenty five years. Right down the road that the new 1794 01:41:37.920 --> 01:41:41.279 building got somebody's attention. Well for the next you know, 1795 01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:44.439 five years. Once a year, here comes the guy in 1796 01:41:44.479 --> 01:41:46.680 to put a little sticker on the on the air 1797 01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:50.199 compressor tank in the back, saying he's been he's checked it, 1798 01:41:50.239 --> 01:41:52.039 and then saying, the state of tennessee one hundred and 1799 01:41:52.039 --> 01:41:56.319 fifty dollars for that. Uh, you know it just everywhere 1800 01:41:56.359 --> 01:41:58.439 you look, you're nickeled and down the desk. So between 1801 01:41:58.479 --> 01:42:02.479 payroll taxes and property taxes or excuse me, payroll insurance, 1802 01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:05.880 property taxes and everything. You know, I've heard people talk 1803 01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:08.560 and I forget what the term is it's in what 1804 01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:11.840 may when, like all of your taxes, you basically work 1805 01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:14.800 five months out of the year paying taxes and then 1806 01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:17.079 you get the seven months. Well, that just in my 1807 01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:20.640 mind keeps getting worse, worse and worse, because I heard 1808 01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:22.880 my uncle say years ago when they were trying to 1809 01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:26.119 get a wheel tax voted in this county. He said, 1810 01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:28.920 you never vote yourself in new taxes because they'll never 1811 01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:31.600 take it away. And the taxes just you know, kept 1812 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:34.279 getting voted down, voted down, voted down, and then they 1813 01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:36.319 took it away from the voters and put it in 1814 01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:38.640 front of the commissioners, if I remember right, and the 1815 01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:41.720 commissioners wound up voting it through. And so it's just 1816 01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:45.520 it's just never ending. And of course that's that's another 1817 01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:46.119 rabbit hole. 1818 01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:46.279 You know. 1819 01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:49.800 I had the privilege of leading the class and thoughts 1820 01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:52.479 when it comes to, you know, the shape of our 1821 01:42:52.520 --> 01:42:55.960 earth and what the Bible says and what man says. 1822 01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:59.159 I also got to do it on Romans thirteen and 1823 01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:02.960 govern And you know, I think I've heard you talk 1824 01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:05.279 about and I've started listening it. One time. I think 1825 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:09.960 it's maybe a pastor Bald went out in Montana that 1826 01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:12.760 that some you or somebody turned me on to them 1827 01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:14.279 through a podcast about. 1828 01:43:14.199 --> 01:43:16.760 How to callous Spell of Montana Yep, yep. 1829 01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:19.319 And Lord Wollman, we'll be out there in a few 1830 01:43:19.359 --> 01:43:22.600 weeks going to Glacier. I'm looking forward to that. That's beautiful. 1831 01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:24.840 If you've never been there, everybody needs to go. But 1832 01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:28.840 they said that he has a really good Again, this 1833 01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:32.520 is interpretation. It's up to It's up to me to 1834 01:43:32.600 --> 01:43:36.800 take the scripture and see what it says. But I 1835 01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:41.560 know what the general consensus is says of Rowan's thirteen 1836 01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:45.520 and how we should look at government, but I want 1837 01:43:45.560 --> 01:43:48.640 to hear his version, and then, you know, I had 1838 01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:52.479 a really good conversation via email with our preacher because 1839 01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:56.720 I typically have I typically do better through writing or 1840 01:43:56.760 --> 01:43:59.920 email because I can get my thoughts down on paper 1841 01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:03.079 or clearly, where sometimes I don't convey it good with voice. 1842 01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:08.079 But he was talking about the three types of covenants 1843 01:44:08.079 --> 01:44:10.960 that we have, uh, you know that are that are 1844 01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:14.720 spiritual covenants, And it was the covenant we have with Christ, 1845 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:18.239 the covenant of marriage, uh, and the covenant with government. 1846 01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:22.920 And you know, with with Christ, if that covenant is broke, 1847 01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:26.279 it's not Christ who broke it. Uh, it's us the 1848 01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:29.199 covenant of marriage, you know, if and and you can 1849 01:44:29.239 --> 01:44:32.359 always come back to Christ. Uh. The way the Bible, 1850 01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:35.000 you know, talks about marriage. You know, it even says 1851 01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:37.600 in the Old Testament that God hates divorce. And you know, 1852 01:44:37.720 --> 01:44:40.199 man was to have one wife. And when you talk 1853 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:42.960 about which is a touchy subject this day and age, 1854 01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:45.279 but you've got to look at scripture for what it says. 1855 01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:48.600 You know, the covenant of marriage, you know, by scripture 1856 01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:52.680 the way that I read and understand scripture, the the 1857 01:44:52.800 --> 01:44:57.600 guilty party of breaking that covenant, the innocent party is 1858 01:44:57.640 --> 01:45:01.199 allowed to remarry where the guilty the guilty party no, 1859 01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:04.560 based on scripture, they can repent and be forgiven, but 1860 01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:09.319 sins has consequences. Again, if that goes against your belief, Uh, 1861 01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:15.920 email me. Let's let's let's have a good conversation on marriage, divorce, remarriage. 1862 01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:18.960 That's a whole nother topic. But I would rather, I 1863 01:45:18.960 --> 01:45:21.760 would rather. I would rather have the topic and make 1864 01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:24.119 sure somebody is going to heaven an inter right state 1865 01:45:24.159 --> 01:45:25.840 of mind. And I didn't mean to get off on that. 1866 01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:29.760 But the third one was government and the idea of 1867 01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:33.079 you know, be subject to all authorities. Well, what my 1868 01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:37.000 question to him was, what if what if government breaks 1869 01:45:37.079 --> 01:45:41.600 that covenant? It's not it's not me, I'm paying the taxes. 1870 01:45:41.680 --> 01:45:44.800 What if government makes that, you know, breaks that covenant? 1871 01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:49.159 And so and and with with the idea of government, 1872 01:45:49.520 --> 01:45:52.319 I dove into that in my own personal studies, reading 1873 01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:55.079 everything else, I come to the and I didn't tell 1874 01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:57.760 my family or nobody this. I didn't tell nobody till 1875 01:45:57.800 --> 01:46:00.800 the Wednesday night I taught. I said, and it was 1876 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:04.479 after the election, but I said, I, in good conscience, 1877 01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:10.279 will no longer vote because and again you can challenge 1878 01:46:10.359 --> 01:46:12.600 me on this, George, that the people out there listening, 1879 01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:16.680 can this is the conclusion I come to. I'm not 1880 01:46:16.720 --> 01:46:18.439 saying I'm right, this is what I have come to. 1881 01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:24.399 So I need guidance on this. But if God ordains government, 1882 01:46:24.520 --> 01:46:26.399 and I even went back to the point, if I'm 1883 01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:29.119 wrong on this one, let me know. But God's people 1884 01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:34.840 were ruled by God until they decided they wanted a 1885 01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:38.760 king and King Saul. And ever since King sauls God's 1886 01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:41.880 people has been under some kind of government, whether it's 1887 01:46:42.359 --> 01:46:45.319 you know, the Israelites through the years, you know, with 1888 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:48.479 under a king or under captivity or one under whatever, 1889 01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:50.520 and then you fast forward to the New Testament being 1890 01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:54.560 under Rome. But we were always subject to some kind 1891 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:57.560 of government before Saul, we were just subject to God. 1892 01:46:58.319 --> 01:47:03.960 So if God, God ordains governments and gives them power, 1893 01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:08.520 if I cast my vote against and this may sound 1894 01:47:08.640 --> 01:47:11.239 un to people, but if I cast my vote against 1895 01:47:11.720 --> 01:47:16.079 somebody in office, am I technically voting against God? What 1896 01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:19.319 God has ordained? My answer to that would be yes, 1897 01:47:19.479 --> 01:47:24.840 I have. And I thought, I've just got a violation 1898 01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:28.720 of conscience. Now when it comes to elections. After looking 1899 01:47:28.760 --> 01:47:30.840 at the scriptures, and I've had people tell me, Chris, 1900 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:33.600 you're looking at them too deep. We have our constitution. 1901 01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:36.960 Our constitution says that we that we can vote, and 1902 01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:38.800 this is how we get new people in and out. 1903 01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:41.039 And I said, well, the Bible says the ordained by God. 1904 01:47:41.359 --> 01:47:43.399 And I'm not saying if your vote, if you're voting, 1905 01:47:43.439 --> 01:47:46.000 you're committing a sin. I just think that there's a 1906 01:47:46.079 --> 01:47:49.039 higher power involved in your votes. Absolutely the useless. It's 1907 01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:52.079 decided before you ever get there. Again, that's Chris Barrat's opinion, 1908 01:47:52.199 --> 01:47:56.239 nobody else's. But when it comes to when it comes 1909 01:47:56.239 --> 01:47:59.079 to that, my next question was well, that document also 1910 01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:06.239 says I can form a well regulated militia and change it. No, no, no, 1911 01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:09.319 you know, so you can't have it both ways. So 1912 01:48:10.079 --> 01:48:13.359 I go back and I'm gonna try to remember. I 1913 01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:17.199 think it's First Timothy two, and I'm just gonna paraphrase scripture. 1914 01:48:17.239 --> 01:48:19.960 I think it's First Timothy two, probably somewhere around verse ten. 1915 01:48:20.079 --> 01:48:24.119 Maybe it says that the authorities just don't let me 1916 01:48:24.199 --> 01:48:29.640 butcher scripture. I'm sorry, George, I know, but this is 1917 01:48:29.680 --> 01:48:35.000 where this is where I came to my conclusion. Yeah, 1918 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:37.000 right here, First Timothy two is starting in verse one. 1919 01:48:37.359 --> 01:48:42.520 Therefore I exert exhort first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, 1920 01:48:42.520 --> 01:48:45.520 and giving of thanks be made for all men. That's 1921 01:48:45.680 --> 01:48:48.840 that's everybody on the earth, for kings and all who 1922 01:48:48.920 --> 01:48:52.039 are in our authority. So pray for our leaders, obviously. 1923 01:48:52.439 --> 01:48:54.359 And then why are we doing that? That we may 1924 01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:58.720 lead a quiet, peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 1925 01:48:59.800 --> 01:49:02.960 For this is good and exceptable in the sight of God, 1926 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:05.920 our savior, who think goes on talk about who desires 1927 01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:08.359 men everywhere to be safe. So if we can lead 1928 01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:11.079 what I gleaned from that, if we can lead a quiet, 1929 01:49:11.119 --> 01:49:15.960 peaceable life that gives us the opportunity if we've got 1930 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:21.079 good rulers to spread the Gospel of Christ. And it's 1931 01:49:21.159 --> 01:49:25.119 hard to lead a good, peaceable life when you have 1932 01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:27.560 to work five months out of the year to pay taxes. 1933 01:49:28.439 --> 01:49:31.359 And I know taxes have their purpose and everything else. 1934 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:33.640 I'm not saying abotish I'm doing away with them, although 1935 01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:38.239 that may not be a bad idea. But the dirty 1936 01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:41.439 secret they don't want anybody to know is the more 1937 01:49:41.479 --> 01:49:44.319 you work, the more money you make, the more you're 1938 01:49:44.319 --> 01:49:47.560 gonna pay. And it's just this cycle that gets you 1939 01:49:47.680 --> 01:49:52.560 so plugged into maybe that society norms, I don't know, 1940 01:49:52.680 --> 01:49:55.920 but it's just taking you further and further away from God. 1941 01:49:56.880 --> 01:49:59.079 You know how many people out there can honestly say 1942 01:49:59.159 --> 01:50:03.600 they're living a why and peaceable life. Maybe if you 1943 01:50:03.680 --> 01:50:05.439 turned off the TV or get a little quater, a 1944 01:50:05.439 --> 01:50:08.479 little bit more peaceable, but I don't know. Again, I'm 1945 01:50:08.560 --> 01:50:10.199 apologize for getting off on my soapbox. 1946 01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:13.560 No, that's it's an important topic. That's why I bring 1947 01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:16.119 it up. And I always say, if you're the president 1948 01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:20.680 of the United States, you have the most powerful microphone 1949 01:50:20.760 --> 01:50:24.319 in the world, and isn't it sad that we don't 1950 01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:27.199 have a guy out there every Saturday night on the 1951 01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:29.680 radio like back in the day the president would talk 1952 01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:33.680 just you know, every Saturday, every Sunday, whatever, just preached 1953 01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:35.880 a message. And you know, we're a Christian nation, we 1954 01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:41.399 follow Jesus Christ. And what it just frustrates me to 1955 01:50:41.439 --> 01:50:45.479 see people with that much right, that much power, that 1956 01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:47.720 much of an audience, and they fail to use it. 1957 01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:52.560 And that's why I completely and again I was part 1958 01:50:52.560 --> 01:50:55.079 of that. I was pulled in emotionally. We can't let 1959 01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:58.359 the most evil woman in the world take over this country, 1960 01:50:58.359 --> 01:51:01.840 so I'm going to put And then you've realized it's 1961 01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:04.680 meet the new boss, same as the old boss, and 1962 01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:07.880 they all answer to the same people. And then you 1963 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:11.880 start to understand that it's rules for thee, not for me. 1964 01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:14.640 And then you keep digging deeper and deeper, and then 1965 01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:18.960 you understand it's spiritual warfare and to me, like yourself 1966 01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:23.560 and many other people, you know, biblical cosmology has opened. Right, 1967 01:51:23.800 --> 01:51:26.560 You've really I thought I could see before, right, I 1968 01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:28.159 was hit to nine to eleven in these things. And 1969 01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:32.039 then you truly understand how great the lie is. And 1970 01:51:32.079 --> 01:51:34.279 then that takes me to my final question for you 1971 01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:38.399 is I guess this is where I'm at now? Right? 1972 01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:42.279 You go back to Genesis six, verse four. I think 1973 01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:46.399 it is when they talk about the Nephelem and it 1974 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:48.560 says that they were on the earth in those days 1975 01:51:49.319 --> 01:51:53.640 and also afterward, and you know, you think about the 1976 01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:57.359 conspiracies like nine to eleven, like burning all those men, 1977 01:51:57.439 --> 01:52:00.279 women and children in Waco in ninety three, you know, 1978 01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:06.399 insert you know, bringing freedom to iraqis through bombings and 1979 01:52:06.680 --> 01:52:09.640 those type of things, and you realize, you know, people 1980 01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:11.720 like you and I, even people I don't get along with, 1981 01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:17.079 we all have that switch right that these crimes that 1982 01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:20.319 these people commit are they of the seed of Satan? 1983 01:52:20.560 --> 01:52:22.640 Is this a seed war? Are they trying to exterminate us? 1984 01:52:22.640 --> 01:52:26.600 Are they trying to alter God's seeds? You see mRNA technology, 1985 01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:30.119 you see GMO technology on the foods that we eat. 1986 01:52:30.680 --> 01:52:31.680 What are your thoughts on all that? 1987 01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:35.760 So let me take a note right here because I 1988 01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:38.000 want to get your thoughts on something that has been 1989 01:52:39.079 --> 01:52:41.520 it's it's white on my mind the last two weeks 1990 01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:44.399 preparing for this, because it was like something revealed to me, 1991 01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:47.000 for lack of a better word, Yeah, sure, but let 1992 01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:50.880 let me let me address that. So when when I 1993 01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:57.359 read this proverb, think about your government or your our government. 1994 01:52:58.279 --> 01:53:02.640 I'm in Proverbs chapters and if you start at verse twelve, 1995 01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:06.079 the heading in my Bible, it's got the wicked man. 1996 01:53:07.159 --> 01:53:10.840 But if you skip down to verse sixteen, it says 1997 01:53:10.960 --> 01:53:14.880 these six things the Lord hates. So don't gloss that over. 1998 01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:18.479 If God hates something, you better stand up and take 1999 01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:22.479 notice and beware. And then it goes on to say, yes, 2000 01:53:22.600 --> 01:53:25.119 seven are an abomination to him. Look at number one, 2001 01:53:25.359 --> 01:53:30.960 a proud look every presidential picture to me, and maybe 2002 01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:33.199 again I don't know the sincerity of their heart, but 2003 01:53:33.560 --> 01:53:36.880 how many times have you seen our current president, our 2004 01:53:36.960 --> 01:53:40.800 former president have that proud look about them? 2005 01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:42.920 About the pictures I've seen of them? 2006 01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:46.800 Yeah, every one. So I think that box has checked 2007 01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:50.760 Number two a lying tongue. Again. You know, we know 2008 01:53:50.800 --> 01:53:54.760 that the Satan is the father of lies. And you 2009 01:53:54.800 --> 01:53:57.279 can just if you've turned on the news for five 2010 01:53:57.359 --> 01:54:00.560 seconds in the last month, it's been Epstein's are going 2011 01:54:00.640 --> 01:54:03.199 to be released. No, they're not. Forget this, forget that 2012 01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:08.520 it's lies every day, hands that shed innocent blood. Just 2013 01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:12.159 what you talked about with with wars. You know, why 2014 01:54:12.199 --> 01:54:15.399 are we going to you know, to war in You know, 2015 01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:19.239 my father in law served, you know, twenty three years military. 2016 01:54:19.319 --> 01:54:21.680 Have the greatest respect in the in the world for him. 2017 01:54:21.720 --> 01:54:24.640 He passed away way too soon after he retired. 2018 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:27.600 But I'm sorry, but yeah. 2019 01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:32.520 Just again, just I appreciate that, Thank you, but a 2020 01:54:32.960 --> 01:54:35.800 phenomenal man. I wish everybody could have a father in 2021 01:54:35.880 --> 01:54:37.760 law like I was blessed to have with with the 2022 01:54:37.800 --> 01:54:41.680 time I had him. But you know, hands that shed 2023 01:54:41.680 --> 01:54:46.119 innocent blood when you start going down the rabbit holes 2024 01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:49.319 of the World War two, I mean one of the 2025 01:54:49.359 --> 01:54:52.079 things that Jason sent me, because Jason's eyes had been 2026 01:54:52.119 --> 01:54:54.720 open for a long time. Everything's a rich man's trick 2027 01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:58.239 if you haven't checked that out, checked that out. But 2028 01:54:58.359 --> 01:55:01.399 you can start at least World War two and come 2029 01:55:01.479 --> 01:55:05.039 up through the tiwers falling and see hands that shed 2030 01:55:05.079 --> 01:55:09.359 innocent blood. And why the people that have come up 2031 01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:14.840 with enough evidence to present a case you know that 2032 01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:18.399 you know that the world's under somebody else's control because 2033 01:55:18.439 --> 01:55:22.680 there's just too much condemning evidence out there to turn 2034 01:55:22.720 --> 01:55:25.000 the blind eye to it. Not ask a question why 2035 01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:28.680 so a lying tongue excuse me hands that shed innocent blood. 2036 01:55:29.199 --> 01:55:32.239 And then look at eighteen verse eighteen. A heart that 2037 01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:36.760 devises wicked plans, it's that all the time, feet that 2038 01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:40.319 are swift and running to evil, a false witness who 2039 01:55:40.359 --> 01:55:43.800 speaks lies, and one who sows discord among the brethren. 2040 01:55:44.680 --> 01:55:47.079 And you look at that in Proverbs. If you want 2041 01:55:47.079 --> 01:55:50.319 to talk of it, brethren in a worldly sense. That's 2042 01:55:50.359 --> 01:55:52.880 what the news does. It sows discord. You've said it 2043 01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:55.640 a million times. You know you've got left or right. 2044 01:55:56.279 --> 01:55:59.199 There is nothing else, So you look at the discord. 2045 01:55:59.640 --> 01:56:03.439 Those things that God hates is what our government is. 2046 01:56:03.560 --> 01:56:07.680 And that's that's just again. Part of the problem today 2047 01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:13.079 is nobody wants to offend anybody. And I heard a 2048 01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:16.159 preacher say one time, he said if when he was 2049 01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:19.199 preaching from the pulpit, he said, if I'm stepping on 2050 01:56:19.279 --> 01:56:22.039 your toes, I'm sorry. I was aiming for your heart. 2051 01:56:22.720 --> 01:56:26.239 You know, you've got to have some conviction and and 2052 01:56:26.359 --> 01:56:28.760 be fearless when it comes to the Word of God 2053 01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:32.079 and sharing it. And if it offends somebody, let him know. 2054 01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:35.520 I'm not trying to be this arrogant prick. I love 2055 01:56:35.560 --> 01:56:37.319 you and I want to see you in heaven and 2056 01:56:37.479 --> 01:56:40.600 and this this isn't right. And I want you to 2057 01:56:40.720 --> 01:56:43.000 keep me in check and love me enough and come 2058 01:56:43.039 --> 01:56:45.520 tell me if if I'm not living the way I 2059 01:56:45.560 --> 01:56:48.520 should should should live. We we should have that kind 2060 01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:52.039 of communication you know amongst our brethren, uh, that we 2061 01:56:52.119 --> 01:56:53.760 can we can go to each other. And you know, 2062 01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:55.720 later on in the New Testament it says, if you've 2063 01:56:55.720 --> 01:56:58.600 got fault against your brother, you don't go to social 2064 01:56:58.640 --> 01:57:01.279 media and say, guess what so and so did to 2065 01:57:01.319 --> 01:57:03.760 me today. No, the Bible says you go to your brother. 2066 01:57:04.039 --> 01:57:05.760 And then if it says he won't have you, what 2067 01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:07.960 do you do. You don't go to social media again 2068 01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:10.760 and complain. You take somebody else with you and then 2069 01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:14.479 you go and confront that brother. And if these still 2070 01:57:14.520 --> 01:57:17.000 won't hear you, I think this is a beautiful statement. 2071 01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:19.680 It says you bring it before the church, or bring 2072 01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:22.720 it before you know, the congregation, if you will. And 2073 01:57:23.079 --> 01:57:27.680 that's the idea of family, a community that is together 2074 01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:31.760 as one. And I'm not naive to think that everybody's 2075 01:57:32.079 --> 01:57:34.479 going to be in agreement. I mean, don't get me wrong. 2076 01:57:34.479 --> 01:57:37.520 I'm not going to sugarcoat it. The churches across this 2077 01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:41.359 world are full of people that have disagreements. I would 2078 01:57:41.359 --> 01:57:45.479 say in our congregation of you know, potentially of about 2079 01:57:45.479 --> 01:57:47.520 one hundred and fifty people, when it comes to the 2080 01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:53.239 idea of biblical earth, that there may be fifteen to 2081 01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:57.960 twenty that would agree with me. There may and that's 2082 01:57:58.000 --> 01:57:59.960 not saying I'm right. They just agree with my person. 2083 01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:03.279 There may be only four or five that would stand 2084 01:58:03.399 --> 01:58:06.760 up and proclaim it. But I think the other's faith 2085 01:58:06.800 --> 01:58:09.319 will come along. But does that mean that the other 2086 01:58:09.439 --> 01:58:12.239 one hundred and thirty don't love me, don't support me, 2087 01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:15.079 don't agree with me. No, they'll sit there and they 2088 01:58:15.079 --> 01:58:17.079 will listen to what I've said, and they'll be like 2089 01:58:17.119 --> 01:58:19.079 the Brians. They'll go to the scripture and they'll discern 2090 01:58:19.119 --> 01:58:21.119 it for themselves, or they may not even think about 2091 01:58:21.119 --> 01:58:24.439 it again. But that's the idea and the people I 2092 01:58:24.560 --> 01:58:28.319 truly do. The people that don't have that kind of family, 2093 01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:31.399 church family, I want to call it that, those that 2094 01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:34.319 they can rely on and go to, I am so 2095 01:58:34.399 --> 01:58:36.359 sorry you don't have that in your life, because it 2096 01:58:37.199 --> 01:58:40.039 is to have a congregation of God's people that love 2097 01:58:40.119 --> 01:58:42.760 the Lord first and then love me and want to 2098 01:58:42.800 --> 01:58:47.600 see me get to heaven. That's something that too many 2099 01:58:47.640 --> 01:58:50.119 people don't have, and that I hope and pray that 2100 01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:52.720 they could all have. It's amazing to have that kind 2101 01:58:52.720 --> 01:58:53.840 of support staff around you. 2102 01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:57.079 Yeah, it is so important. And I know for many 2103 01:58:57.239 --> 01:59:02.439 truth seekers they're introverts. Maybe that's because they feel that 2104 01:59:02.520 --> 01:59:05.239 they've been lied to so much that they don't they 2105 01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:09.680 can't trust anyone. But it's vitally important to have others 2106 01:59:09.720 --> 01:59:11.920 to lean on because all of us have times of 2107 01:59:12.000 --> 01:59:15.760 needs where we need help, you know, emotionally, whatever the 2108 01:59:15.800 --> 01:59:20.880 case may be. Again, it's a twofold problem for many people. 2109 01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:24.359 One is again they're introverts that don't trust people. Number Two, Uh, 2110 01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:26.680 like the situation that's led me to doing what I'm 2111 01:59:26.680 --> 01:59:29.520 doing is just there's not a lot of great doctionally, 2112 01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:33.239 you know, foundational churches and. 2113 01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:37.960 Right, yeah, and and and and that's and and that 2114 01:59:38.079 --> 01:59:41.199 and that's tough. I mean, you know, so it's and 2115 01:59:41.279 --> 01:59:45.000 I think I mean, again, kudos to you. I think 2116 01:59:45.039 --> 01:59:48.640 it's a brave stance because if if you if you 2117 01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:52.439 start the congregation, they're at your home or wherever you're 2118 01:59:52.439 --> 01:59:56.279 going to start it at, and you have one person 2119 01:59:56.399 --> 01:59:59.840 show up, and you get that one person to heaven, 2120 02:00:00.359 --> 02:00:04.000 totally worth it. Absolutely if you if you have a 2121 02:00:04.119 --> 02:00:08.359 thousand show up. Uh, and and none of them go 2122 02:00:08.520 --> 02:00:14.039 to heaven. Yeah, yet you haven't accomplished anything. And and 2123 02:00:14.039 --> 02:00:17.319 and what you hit the what you touched on there earlier, 2124 02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:20.079 just because I know how my mind is Genesis six. 2125 02:00:20.439 --> 02:00:23.359 There were giants in those days and also afterward when 2126 02:00:23.399 --> 02:00:25.600 the sons of God came into the daughters of men 2127 02:00:25.680 --> 02:00:29.079 and they bore children to them. Now, I don't know 2128 02:00:29.119 --> 02:00:31.960 if this is an original idea with me or not 2129 02:00:32.279 --> 02:00:36.720 just in my I really this idea came to me 2130 02:00:37.640 --> 02:00:40.119 through reading of the scripture. I'm not I know that 2131 02:00:40.199 --> 02:00:42.520 I can't be the first person to have this idea, 2132 02:00:42.880 --> 02:00:46.079 but I don't think I've ever had anybody else heard 2133 02:00:46.119 --> 02:00:48.760 it discussed. But you know, I may get flooded with 2134 02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:51.079 emails that go, yes, this guy has discussed or this 2135 02:00:51.199 --> 02:00:53.359 or that, and if they have, send it to me. 2136 02:00:53.479 --> 02:00:56.399 So when when we talked way back when when the 2137 02:00:56.439 --> 02:01:01.680 podcast started about the timeline of the Bible and your opinion, Uh, 2138 02:01:02.199 --> 02:01:05.319 where do you feel like job fits in? Because I 2139 02:01:05.399 --> 02:01:07.239 struggle with this and I'll tell you where I'm going 2140 02:01:07.279 --> 02:01:07.600 with it. 2141 02:01:08.960 --> 02:01:12.039 That's that's a great question. Uh, we were just talking 2142 02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:16.239 about this in our class last week because we we 2143 02:01:16.319 --> 02:01:19.239 had to put together the chronological side of it, and 2144 02:01:19.279 --> 02:01:22.840 that that is a great question, that that that what. 2145 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:25.560 Has asked God and I and I and I don't 2146 02:01:25.600 --> 02:01:28.319 mean to ever put anybody on the spot with the question. 2147 02:01:28.439 --> 02:01:32.159 So but here's in reading this the other night, because 2148 02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:38.039 I love Job thirty eight. Uh, when when he's basically 2149 02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:41.319 talking about the Creation account, I would, again, if you 2150 02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:44.760 haven't read Job thirty eight in the Creation Account, read 2151 02:01:44.800 --> 02:01:46.479 it through the end of the chapter. But you talk, 2152 02:01:46.520 --> 02:01:48.600 I've read this, and this is I preached a lot 2153 02:01:48.640 --> 02:01:51.520 out of this, uh, you know, and and leading the 2154 02:01:51.560 --> 02:01:55.279 class in thought on you know what what he was said, 2155 02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:57.159 And I got to say this, this has nothing to 2156 02:01:57.199 --> 02:01:59.640 do with anything but verse three it says, now, prepare 2157 02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:02.319 yourself like a man. I will question you. That's God 2158 02:02:02.399 --> 02:02:06.439 talking to Job basically saying, okay, buddy, I'm fixing the question. 2159 02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:09.439 You know, I'm paraphrasing obviously, but prepare yourself like a man. 2160 02:02:09.840 --> 02:02:13.239 And that's again another soapbox I can get on. We 2161 02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:18.399 need more godly men today that prepare themself like a man, 2162 02:02:18.920 --> 02:02:23.159 or like men and lead. There's the God give us 2163 02:02:23.279 --> 02:02:27.199 roles as men. He give women roles as women. And 2164 02:02:27.640 --> 02:02:30.000 it doesn't mean a man's more important than a woman. 2165 02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:33.159 We're both both valuable, both have jobs to do, but 2166 02:02:33.520 --> 02:02:35.640 the men are tasked with a little bit more, I 2167 02:02:35.680 --> 02:02:38.479 truly believe. But where I'm going with that when you 2168 02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:42.039 read that out and talking about the giants and the nepheline, 2169 02:02:42.560 --> 02:02:46.279 and I'm fresh off a study of Enoch that I've 2170 02:02:46.359 --> 02:02:49.199 been in that book for about a week highlighting and 2171 02:02:49.279 --> 02:02:53.279 circling things I probably aren't. I'll talk about the parts 2172 02:02:53.319 --> 02:02:55.800 of it. If you've got something in particular, I would 2173 02:02:55.800 --> 02:02:59.680 love to know your thoughts on it. I've been Enochous 2174 02:02:59.720 --> 02:03:02.520 to me is a crucial book in helping to understand 2175 02:03:02.920 --> 02:03:07.600 whether you think it's Kennon or not. The people. The 2176 02:03:07.920 --> 02:03:11.560 people in the pages of the Holy Scripture obviously looked 2177 02:03:11.560 --> 02:03:14.520 to the Book of Enoch for something. Now you can 2178 02:03:14.560 --> 02:03:16.359 glean out of it what you want to. But I 2179 02:03:16.399 --> 02:03:19.720 have found it fascinating. But where I was going with 2180 02:03:19.720 --> 02:03:24.239 this job, I'm sorry, Job George. In job chapter forty two, 2181 02:03:25.119 --> 02:03:27.920 here's just a random thought by Chris. Go to the 2182 02:03:28.000 --> 02:03:32.039 chap last chapter verse forty two. Excuse me, Chapter forty two, 2183 02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:34.760 Verse fifteen it says, and this is talking about Job, 2184 02:03:34.840 --> 02:03:38.079 after everything that had been restored to him. It says, 2185 02:03:38.199 --> 02:03:41.880 in all the land were found no women so beautiful 2186 02:03:41.920 --> 02:03:44.880 as the daughters of Job, and their father gave them 2187 02:03:44.920 --> 02:03:47.119 an inheritance among their brothers. And it goes on to 2188 02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:50.439 say Job lived one hundred and forty years and saw 2189 02:03:50.479 --> 02:03:53.479 his children and grandchildren for four generations. Job was old. 2190 02:03:53.880 --> 02:03:55.920 So I've done the old Google thing. How old was 2191 02:03:56.000 --> 02:04:02.319 Job when he died? Apparently? Well, what I seen in 2192 02:04:02.359 --> 02:04:06.279 the Google machine that I used was he lived one 2193 02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:10.640 hundred and forty years. He was believed to be. The 2194 02:04:11.199 --> 02:04:14.239 principal idea I think here of what I was reading was, well, 2195 02:04:14.239 --> 02:04:18.239 if Job was one hundred and forty years, God doubled everything. 2196 02:04:18.359 --> 02:04:21.640 So in their mind, it's feasible to think that he 2197 02:04:21.800 --> 02:04:25.560 was seventy when Satan came upon the earth and took 2198 02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:28.600 everything away from him. And so Job was probably around 2199 02:04:28.640 --> 02:04:31.000 two hundred and ten years old, and they think that 2200 02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:40.000 that puts him somewhere around the patriarch age with Abraham. Exactly. Well, 2201 02:04:40.159 --> 02:04:42.520 where my mind went was if you go back to 2202 02:04:42.600 --> 02:04:45.920 Genesis six, there were giants in the earth in those days, 2203 02:04:45.960 --> 02:04:48.920 and also afterward when the sons of God, which are 2204 02:04:49.239 --> 02:04:53.840 are are the fallen angels, I truly believe, came into 2205 02:04:53.840 --> 02:04:57.399 the daughters of men and they bore children to them, well, 2206 02:04:57.680 --> 02:05:02.039 the Job's daughters. The Again that I can't prove this 2207 02:05:02.039 --> 02:05:05.319 as fact. This is just Chris Barrett's opinion. What if 2208 02:05:06.079 --> 02:05:08.640 to get back at God, because if you go back 2209 02:05:08.680 --> 02:05:13.079 to the beginning of Job, it says, and I think 2210 02:05:13.199 --> 02:05:15.880 this has glossed over a lot of times. You know, 2211 02:05:15.920 --> 02:05:18.359 if you go back to Job one, this actually happens 2212 02:05:18.359 --> 02:05:21.560 twice in chapter one. In chapter two, now, there was 2213 02:05:21.600 --> 02:05:24.399 a day when the sons of God, there's that term 2214 02:05:24.479 --> 02:05:27.880 again in Genesis six talking about those fallen angels came 2215 02:05:27.880 --> 02:05:31.000 to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came 2216 02:05:31.039 --> 02:05:34.119 among them. And then it said it echoes the same 2217 02:05:34.159 --> 02:05:38.119 thing in two. So this again, rabbit Hole thought with Chris, 2218 02:05:38.159 --> 02:05:41.439 I'd love George's opinion on it, or just dwell on it. 2219 02:05:41.520 --> 02:05:45.840 If if Satan tempted Job, and Job never chose to 2220 02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:48.760 curse God and died, then you know, you get to 2221 02:05:48.800 --> 02:05:51.279 the end of the chapter and God has blessed him, 2222 02:05:51.359 --> 02:05:55.000 blessed him with with beauty, you know, basically the most 2223 02:05:55.000 --> 02:05:59.039 beautiful daughters in all the land? It would it be 2224 02:05:59.399 --> 02:06:01.920 Would it be a fair thought or rabbit hole to 2225 02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:07.760 go down to say that those nepheline, those giants, what 2226 02:06:08.079 --> 02:06:11.600 better way could they get back at God by breeding 2227 02:06:11.640 --> 02:06:15.359 with the daughters of Joel. I don't have no proofs 2228 02:06:15.399 --> 02:06:18.079 of that, but you know it's I like things that 2229 02:06:18.159 --> 02:06:21.399 challenge my thinking, and that one definitely challenged my thinking. 2230 02:06:22.960 --> 02:06:26.319 You know, the parts that I have problems with is 2231 02:06:27.279 --> 02:06:35.039 you know, Enoch is written in a pre flood context, idea. 2232 02:06:35.159 --> 02:06:38.520 I also I also have the question of I was 2233 02:06:38.640 --> 02:06:41.319 taught to believe, or inferred to believe, that it had 2234 02:06:41.359 --> 02:06:44.960 never rained on the earth until until the flood happened. 2235 02:06:45.000 --> 02:06:47.840 I don't know that that's true anymore, because when when 2236 02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:50.479 God says, just like the just like there was giants 2237 02:06:50.479 --> 02:06:52.920 on the earth in those days, Moses didn't have to 2238 02:06:52.960 --> 02:06:56.239 explain what giants was because the readers knew it. When Noah, 2239 02:06:56.279 --> 02:06:58.079 when God told Noah it was going to rain on 2240 02:06:58.119 --> 02:07:00.279 the earth, he didn't have to explain to and what 2241 02:07:00.399 --> 02:07:03.319 rain was. He knew it. And so you know, there's 2242 02:07:03.319 --> 02:07:06.800 a there's a passage in Enoch that talks about or 2243 02:07:06.800 --> 02:07:10.279 excuse me and job that talks about the flood had 2244 02:07:10.319 --> 02:07:13.880 wiped out some wicked men, and they believe that that 2245 02:07:14.000 --> 02:07:16.159 passage leads you to think it was the flood of 2246 02:07:16.199 --> 02:07:19.640 Noah that wiped out the wicked men, and therefore Job 2247 02:07:19.760 --> 02:07:23.000 has to come after Noah. And then there's the uh, 2248 02:07:23.119 --> 02:07:27.119 there's the idea of one of Job's friends being from 2249 02:07:27.279 --> 02:07:29.800 a town that was a descendant named after one of 2250 02:07:29.920 --> 02:07:33.800 basically Abraham's grandkids. Uh. So I can see how people 2251 02:07:33.800 --> 02:07:38.439 would definitely put it in context of post Abraham. But 2252 02:07:38.479 --> 02:07:40.880 the Bible goes on to say in Job that he 2253 02:07:41.119 --> 02:07:44.359 was basically the wealthiest man in the East. And you know, 2254 02:07:44.399 --> 02:07:47.319 there was not a man as good as Job in 2255 02:07:47.439 --> 02:07:51.000 the East and all of the East. So I find 2256 02:07:51.079 --> 02:07:54.840 that hard to put him in the Abraham Isaac Jacob, 2257 02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:59.640 Joseph Timeline. Given the stories in Genesis, we know about them. 2258 02:07:59.760 --> 02:08:05.119 So again, two years ago, three years ago. This is 2259 02:08:05.159 --> 02:08:08.199 the beauty of this podcast and the work you're doing. 2260 02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:11.960 Those questions never enter my mind. I just read it 2261 02:08:12.000 --> 02:08:15.760 and gloss over it. If if the seed hadn't been 2262 02:08:15.760 --> 02:08:18.920 planned to dive into my Bible deeper and look and 2263 02:08:19.439 --> 02:08:22.000 so and I'm again I'm not saying I'm right and 2264 02:08:22.119 --> 02:08:24.159 I very well could be wrong. I'm not saying it 2265 02:08:24.239 --> 02:08:27.159 is fact and I believe it. I'm saying is I've 2266 02:08:27.199 --> 02:08:29.279 still got some more studying to do. Because if Job, 2267 02:08:29.560 --> 02:08:32.439 if God talks so highly about Job and he's in 2268 02:08:32.479 --> 02:08:36.720 the Abraham timeline, those things in my mind don't And 2269 02:08:36.800 --> 02:08:39.439 I'm a real simple person, so those things don't add 2270 02:08:39.520 --> 02:08:44.479 up together in my mind, because you know, Abraham was 2271 02:08:44.520 --> 02:08:46.640 from I think it was err and that was either 2272 02:08:46.720 --> 02:08:49.319 far farther east than any came up and over and 2273 02:08:49.359 --> 02:08:51.840 around and with the five Kings story and all that. 2274 02:08:52.000 --> 02:08:56.319 So I've struggled with and looking I keep wanting to 2275 02:08:56.319 --> 02:08:58.840 go to the tier of Bible because the things I've heard, 2276 02:08:58.880 --> 02:09:02.239 and I haven't got around reading Jasper and jubileeze but 2277 02:09:02.319 --> 02:09:04.399 the idea that it took three days to walk around 2278 02:09:04.399 --> 02:09:06.920 the tower. You know, in Bible class, we made the 2279 02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:09.199 back in the day when it was felt stuck on 2280 02:09:09.239 --> 02:09:11.560 the board. You know, I can remember the little old 2281 02:09:11.600 --> 02:09:14.159 tower that we would build and God come knocked it down. 2282 02:09:14.520 --> 02:09:16.199 But now you hear it took you know, it was 2283 02:09:16.239 --> 02:09:19.000 built on a plane, and that it took you know, 2284 02:09:19.159 --> 02:09:21.600 three days to walk around and it took a year 2285 02:09:21.680 --> 02:09:24.720 to a sin to the It just I'm like, those 2286 02:09:24.760 --> 02:09:27.319 aren't Bible stories that I was, you know, it just 2287 02:09:27.399 --> 02:09:30.359 it's a whole nother world of information out there that 2288 02:09:30.439 --> 02:09:34.000 I think will help complete and bring the picture together. 2289 02:09:34.840 --> 02:09:37.520 But then, George, I couldn't help but laugh, as I've 2290 02:09:37.600 --> 02:09:39.800 in the last you know, a couple of weeks really 2291 02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:43.680 studying Enoch. There's there's a central theme in there that 2292 02:09:43.760 --> 02:09:46.479 I kept noticing that the aim. Every time Enoch would 2293 02:09:46.479 --> 02:09:49.520 ask a question, if you'll notice one of the archangels 2294 02:09:49.520 --> 02:09:51.640 would go, why are you wanting to know this? Why 2295 02:09:51.680 --> 02:09:54.720 are you so? I can't kind of skip myself on guard, 2296 02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:58.439 going do I need to be asking these questions? Right? 2297 02:09:58.560 --> 02:09:58.720 Right? 2298 02:09:58.800 --> 02:09:59.039 Right? 2299 02:09:59.439 --> 02:10:00.000 That's funny. 2300 02:10:00.159 --> 02:10:00.279 You know. 2301 02:10:00.359 --> 02:10:03.600 I bought I saw a version on Amazon that was 2302 02:10:03.680 --> 02:10:05.760 large sprint because my eyes aren't what they used to be, 2303 02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:09.000 And then it said it came with the free audio version. 2304 02:10:09.600 --> 02:10:12.359 I was like, great, I do a lot of driving around. 2305 02:10:12.640 --> 02:10:15.159 But it's all it is is really a voice to 2306 02:10:15.279 --> 02:10:18.920 text AI real poor version. It's really hard to listen to. 2307 02:10:19.840 --> 02:10:23.600 But yeah, I guess if you if you do the 2308 02:10:23.600 --> 02:10:25.720 addition and everything. If he was around at the time 2309 02:10:25.760 --> 02:10:29.279 of the Patriarchs, Jacob Isaac Abraham you're you're talking about, 2310 02:10:29.880 --> 02:10:33.279 I guess twenty twenty. And I remember when you Hauld 2311 02:10:33.319 --> 02:10:37.119 mention that being in a military uniform standing outside the 2312 02:10:37.159 --> 02:10:39.600 Cigarette of Her in Iraq, you know, the House of 2313 02:10:39.640 --> 02:10:42.760 Abraham built, you know, as as a soldier, I felt 2314 02:10:42.960 --> 02:10:43.800 so uncomfortable. 2315 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:48.159 Yeah, yeah, that that to me would be humbling. I've 2316 02:10:48.199 --> 02:10:50.840 never had the opportunity to go to go over there 2317 02:10:50.840 --> 02:10:54.960 and witness any of that, but I know some brothers 2318 02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:56.920 and sisters that have, and they said, it's you know, 2319 02:10:57.479 --> 02:11:00.439 obviously the topography and stuff's probably changed a lot, just 2320 02:11:00.479 --> 02:11:04.880 to know that you're in that. Yeah, that place, it's 2321 02:11:04.920 --> 02:11:07.239 something special that they had a hard time describing. 2322 02:11:08.000 --> 02:11:10.560 Yeah, for sure. And people were taking pictures of it 2323 02:11:10.560 --> 02:11:12.560 as they were, you know, if they were standing in 2324 02:11:12.640 --> 02:11:15.439 front of the world, you know wherever, like a baseball 2325 02:11:15.439 --> 02:11:17.840 stadium or something. I'm like, this is a shrine. This 2326 02:11:17.960 --> 02:11:20.279 is you know, where it all began. And here I 2327 02:11:20.319 --> 02:11:24.439 am standing there in my IOTV and an M four 2328 02:11:24.600 --> 02:11:26.000 and all this other. I was like, man, what are 2329 02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:30.159 we doing? Yeah, this is after two thousand or I 2330 02:11:30.159 --> 02:11:33.000 guess it would be four thousand years. This is what 2331 02:11:33.039 --> 02:11:36.479 we've been reduced to. But you made so many great 2332 02:11:36.479 --> 02:11:39.920 points today. And by the way, I did include a 2333 02:11:40.039 --> 02:11:43.279 link everything as rich Man's Trick documentary, which is on 2334 02:11:43.359 --> 02:11:47.399 YouTube two million views. It's three and a half hours, 2335 02:11:47.399 --> 02:11:51.039 so you may have to watch it in pieces. And also, 2336 02:11:51.279 --> 02:11:53.560 you know, get to know true history, right, you know, 2337 02:11:54.720 --> 02:11:57.840 I can't. I didn't question these things in high school 2338 02:11:57.960 --> 02:12:01.039 or I guess college. I remember taking classes at Texas 2339 02:12:01.079 --> 02:12:03.520 A and M was transitioning out of the military ten 2340 02:12:03.560 --> 02:12:06.560 years ago and history two class had a paragraph on 2341 02:12:06.600 --> 02:12:08.840 the USS liberty, like literally a paragraph. 2342 02:12:09.279 --> 02:12:09.840 Yeah. 2343 02:12:09.880 --> 02:12:12.399 And then it's six seven years later, I'm interviewing two 2344 02:12:12.439 --> 02:12:15.359 of the survivors and I'm like, wow, that's not what 2345 02:12:15.479 --> 02:12:16.840 I read my history book. 2346 02:12:17.199 --> 02:12:21.600 Right, And it's again, it's a testament to the work 2347 02:12:21.640 --> 02:12:26.039 you do on the Fact Hunter podcast, because you know, 2348 02:12:26.840 --> 02:12:32.920 I heard that first through you, and then somewhere along 2349 02:12:32.920 --> 02:12:37.000 the way. It's amazing how many things that I have heard. 2350 02:12:37.399 --> 02:12:40.319 I had never heard of bart Sebrel until I heard 2351 02:12:40.319 --> 02:12:44.439 it on a podcast that you had done. You know, 2352 02:12:45.039 --> 02:12:46.800 a funny thing happened on the way to the Moon, 2353 02:12:46.920 --> 02:12:51.560 that's right, uh and so, and then not long after 2354 02:12:51.600 --> 02:12:56.199 that he appeared on like Glenn Black, get Glenn back 2355 02:12:56.359 --> 02:13:00.720 and Pat Gray. Of course. You know, I've heard you 2356 02:13:00.800 --> 02:13:03.720 use the term gatekeepers there, and if i'd have heard 2357 02:13:03.720 --> 02:13:06.159 that term before, I'd have probably never really thought about it. 2358 02:13:06.199 --> 02:13:09.000 But but when somebody like you said, takes that veil 2359 02:13:09.079 --> 02:13:11.840 from your eyes, you can when you watch those shows, 2360 02:13:11.840 --> 02:13:14.800 you can see exactly what it is. And then, uh, 2361 02:13:14.840 --> 02:13:17.920 somebody was talking about the USS liberty. 2362 02:13:18.439 --> 02:13:18.600 Uh. 2363 02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:22.680 It was actually a family member was talking about it, 2364 02:13:22.720 --> 02:13:24.640 and I said, oh, did you hear that, you know, 2365 02:13:24.720 --> 02:13:27.279 on George's podcast or something. It's like now, it was 2366 02:13:27.319 --> 02:13:31.920 on Candace Jones or Candace Candace Owns excuse me? And uh, 2367 02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:34.239 and I was like, uh, okay, So I went back 2368 02:13:34.239 --> 02:13:37.640 and found that episode. But I thought it just I 2369 02:13:37.640 --> 02:13:39.960 don't know, it makes me wonder if some of the 2370 02:13:39.960 --> 02:13:42.039 bigger play and I don't have no idea how bigger 2371 02:13:42.119 --> 02:13:46.640 platform is. I know it it goes around the world, right, 2372 02:13:47.479 --> 02:13:52.000 that's right, but uh, as far as east is the West, 2373 02:13:52.079 --> 02:13:53.079 I use Bible. 2374 02:13:52.880 --> 02:13:56.279 Terms, we reach all four corners of the world. 2375 02:13:56.279 --> 02:13:59.520 Yes, exactly, but uh, but you know, so it makes 2376 02:13:59.560 --> 02:14:02.920 me wonder some of the larger platforms are are listening 2377 02:14:02.960 --> 02:14:05.199 to what some of the smaller platforms and going, hey, 2378 02:14:05.439 --> 02:14:07.960 he's onto something here, you know, and you know, start 2379 02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:10.640 start bringing light to those things that have been in darkness, 2380 02:14:10.640 --> 02:14:14.119 you know, because the light will always cut through the 2381 02:14:14.199 --> 02:14:16.520 darkness and reveal the truth. That much is for sure. 2382 02:14:16.920 --> 02:14:20.279 Yeah, there's a certain homesteader that you can tell you 2383 02:14:20.319 --> 02:14:23.319 listens to my podcast, because two days after it gets released, 2384 02:14:23.319 --> 02:14:25.760 he'll do a video and talk about the same things. Like, bro, 2385 02:14:25.880 --> 02:14:28.079 just give me a little little shout out. Man, You've 2386 02:14:28.079 --> 02:14:30.800 got a huge audience. Yeah, but at the end of 2387 02:14:30.840 --> 02:14:32.800 the day, as long as the information is getting out, 2388 02:14:32.800 --> 02:14:34.239 that's all that really matters. 2389 02:14:35.520 --> 02:14:38.119 Yeah, that's you know, you present the truth the best 2390 02:14:38.159 --> 02:14:41.840 you can. Uh, never get tired of learning and not 2391 02:14:41.960 --> 02:14:44.640 being afraid to be wrong, you know, keep yourself in check. 2392 02:14:44.680 --> 02:14:48.199 And then just you know, share share the good news. 2393 02:14:48.239 --> 02:14:50.680 That's that's that's our job. Share the good news. 2394 02:14:50.680 --> 02:14:53.039 Amen, share the good news. And by the way, I 2395 02:14:53.079 --> 02:14:55.920 get emails share this podcast. I don't put it on 2396 02:14:55.960 --> 02:14:57.800 your YouTube channel. You don't ever have to ask me 2397 02:14:57.880 --> 02:15:02.520 for permission. Wow, what a conversation. It's been two hours 2398 02:15:02.560 --> 02:15:04.880 and fifteen minutes, and I think that is proper for 2399 02:15:05.079 --> 02:15:06.840 you know, with you being the final guests, and we've 2400 02:15:06.840 --> 02:15:10.279 covered so many topics that are also important. Of course, 2401 02:15:10.319 --> 02:15:13.319 the most important is sharing the gospel, something that should 2402 02:15:13.359 --> 02:15:17.199 be at the forefront of everyone's mind. We should be 2403 02:15:17.239 --> 02:15:19.640 as comfortable talking about that as we are talking about 2404 02:15:19.680 --> 02:15:23.359 the baseball game last night. And then now that after 2405 02:15:23.439 --> 02:15:26.079 two hundred and thirty some episodes, I think it's safe 2406 02:15:26.079 --> 02:15:32.119 to say that the cosmology is important. Biblical cosmology is important. 2407 02:15:32.119 --> 02:15:34.920 It's changed a lot of people's lives. So was there 2408 02:15:34.920 --> 02:15:37.840 anything else that you wanted to touch on before we parted? 2409 02:15:37.880 --> 02:15:44.279 Waste Cris and No, I sincerely appreciate and value your time. 2410 02:15:44.359 --> 02:15:50.039 I value the listener's time. You know, there's you're like me, 2411 02:15:50.079 --> 02:15:52.199 There's so many more things we could talk about, but 2412 02:15:52.600 --> 02:15:56.560 for times sake, that's it. I look forward to what 2413 02:15:56.600 --> 02:16:00.279 the future has in store for you. Continue to to 2414 02:16:00.359 --> 02:16:02.600 keep up the good work on the other podcast. I 2415 02:16:02.640 --> 02:16:06.319 appreciate the I think did you call it the shorts 2416 02:16:06.359 --> 02:16:08.479 that are going to continue after this, where listeners can 2417 02:16:08.479 --> 02:16:09.680 do like a fifteen minute thing. 2418 02:16:09.800 --> 02:16:12.199 Well, we had an open form and we only had 2419 02:16:12.199 --> 02:16:17.000 one short submitted, So yeah, we'll put on this will 2420 02:16:17.000 --> 02:16:19.199 be the last interview. Then I'll kind of have a 2421 02:16:19.359 --> 02:16:23.680 so long podcast in a few days and then we'll 2422 02:16:23.680 --> 02:16:26.000 see if things settle down in the future, and maybe 2423 02:16:26.039 --> 02:16:27.560 we can do one or two a month or something 2424 02:16:27.640 --> 02:16:29.600 like that, but we'll see what the future holds. 2425 02:16:29.840 --> 02:16:34.360 Got you, well, I certainly appreciate and value your time 2426 02:16:34.920 --> 02:16:38.680 and the effort energy you've put on it. And I 2427 02:16:38.719 --> 02:16:41.000 know you always give the guests the final word. But 2428 02:16:41.760 --> 02:16:44.680 I feel like I've talked enough. If I could just 2429 02:16:44.760 --> 02:16:47.719 close it out in prayer, that would mean a lot 2430 02:16:47.760 --> 02:16:50.000 to me, and you know, to be able to do. 2431 02:16:49.959 --> 02:16:52.680 That, I'd appreciate that, all right, Father and Heaven. 2432 02:16:52.719 --> 02:16:57.040 We're indeed grateful for this opportunity you've blessed us with. Father, 2433 02:16:57.159 --> 02:17:00.959 We're grateful that you have to veil from our eyes 2434 02:17:01.000 --> 02:17:04.719 that we can see truth. Help us to never get 2435 02:17:04.719 --> 02:17:08.479 complacent and where we are, help us to always aspire 2436 02:17:08.600 --> 02:17:11.120 to test and prove all things. As the scripture says, 2437 02:17:11.639 --> 02:17:14.159 we ask that you continue to be with George and 2438 02:17:14.200 --> 02:17:17.159 his family. Bless their works, Bless their efforts as they 2439 02:17:18.079 --> 02:17:21.639 try to draw more people to you in this world 2440 02:17:21.719 --> 02:17:24.559 that so desperately needs it. Father, we thank you for 2441 02:17:24.600 --> 02:17:27.120 this place that you created and give to us that 2442 02:17:27.159 --> 02:17:29.799 we call Earth. We pray that we don't take it 2443 02:17:29.799 --> 02:17:31.920 for granted. We pray that we can see you as 2444 02:17:32.000 --> 02:17:36.239 the ultimate creator, the giver of all things good and 2445 02:17:36.879 --> 02:17:41.079 most important, the giver of your son, your only begotten son, Jesus, 2446 02:17:41.120 --> 02:17:45.399 and through him we may have salvation. In hoping you, Father, 2447 02:17:45.440 --> 02:17:47.559 we just say we love you. We thank you for 2448 02:17:48.120 --> 02:17:51.840 George and his heart and his ability to discern the 2449 02:17:51.920 --> 02:17:54.879 truth and get the truth out there. Pray that you 2450 02:17:54.920 --> 02:17:58.600 give him long life and your service. And again we 2451 02:17:58.680 --> 02:18:02.200 just thank you for Jesus name. We pray Amen a man. 2452 02:18:02.280 --> 02:18:04.159 Thank you very much for that. And God bless you 2453 02:18:04.200 --> 02:18:07.559 and your family and all the success you had. And 2454 02:18:07.600 --> 02:18:10.559 hopefully that affords you time to carry on and share 2455 02:18:10.559 --> 02:18:13.760 the gospel and share the truth. You've got a gift. 2456 02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:18.760 You should consider doing a podcast. I know, like you said, 2457 02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:22.440 time is but I'll tell you what. You present yourself well, 2458 02:18:22.479 --> 02:18:24.719 extremely well, and I'm very thankful that you took the 2459 02:18:24.760 --> 02:18:28.239 time today to share your thoughts and your heart with 2460 02:18:28.280 --> 02:18:29.920 the world. I appreciate it well. 2461 02:18:30.360 --> 02:18:33.799 I'm humbled by that, George. I've never talked this long 2462 02:18:33.920 --> 02:18:37.719 and this kind of format, so that from you, coming 2463 02:18:37.719 --> 02:18:39.520 from you, that means a lot. Thank you, brother, I 2464 02:18:39.559 --> 02:18:40.520 sincerely appreciate that. 2465 02:18:40.559 --> 02:18:44.159 Thank you, God, bless and Chris and all the other 2466 02:18:44.319 --> 02:18:48.079 hundreds of guests who have come on and shared their story, 2467 02:18:48.440 --> 02:18:51.200 Thank you and God bless you. And as I studied before, 2468 02:18:51.239 --> 02:18:53.799 I have no intention of removing this podcast as long 2469 02:18:53.879 --> 02:18:57.639 as they keep it up before eventually the Fahrenheit four 2470 02:18:57.719 --> 02:19:01.760 fifty one digital book boring the things that go against 2471 02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:04.159 that they may so, I guess if you can download them, 2472 02:19:04.159 --> 02:19:06.360 download them, but I have no intention of taking these down. 2473 02:19:06.959 --> 02:19:09.959 And thank you so much Chris. To our listeners, God 2474 02:19:10.000 --> 02:19:12.159 bless each and every one of you, remember keep your 2475 02:19:12.159 --> 02:19:16.399 head on a swivel. And again, God bless every single 2476 02:19:16.399 --> 02:19:18.639 one of you. And until we meet again, my friends, 2477 02:19:18.719 --> 02:19:21.440 we will see. 2478 02:19:22.440 --> 02:19:27.200 I know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've 2479 02:19:27.239 --> 02:19:35.719 had spain. I know you feeling tied. Tell down all 2480 02:19:35.799 --> 02:19:43.000 the way? Yeah, I know you feel them A you smile. 2481 02:19:43.200 --> 02:19:50.239 Ain't the same as where to go from here? I 2482 02:19:50.360 --> 02:19:55.000 feel like you've lost your way. 2483 02:19:54.440 --> 02:20:01.040 Don't give up, No, don't give in ever on this home. 2484 02:20:01.200 --> 02:20:03.360 Don't let call the primise. 2485 02:20:04.000 --> 02:20:05.360 It ain't done yet. 2486 02:20:05.479 --> 02:20:10.799 He's got up, glad, Why it's away? Got up? May 2487 02:20:10.920 --> 02:20:16.559 we come? Why? A right. 2488 02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:18.120 Up? 2489 02:20:26.200 --> 02:20:31.040 I can see the straight beside you. Child's are putting 2490 02:20:31.319 --> 02:20:38.239 up five. Oh, you're stronger than anything. You are, guy, 2491 02:20:38.399 --> 02:20:46.840 you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead valid, beautiful. 2492 02:20:46.920 --> 02:20:54.559 You're shoving bride. Yeah, you're living, breathing, move you can 2493 02:20:54.760 --> 02:21:02.040 hold your head a pie. Don't give up. Oh, don't 2494 02:21:02.239 --> 02:21:02.760 give in? 2495 02:21:04.000 --> 02:21:08.079 Never loos home? Don't they gone on the primies? It 2496 02:21:08.280 --> 02:21:13.799 ain't Dunion's got a clay? Why some raintail? The God 2497 02:21:13.959 --> 02:21:18.799 of maybe come, don't give up? No, don't give in 2498 02:21:19.719 --> 02:21:23.360 you never love home. Don't let go on the primies. 2499 02:21:24.040 --> 02:21:25.440 It ain't unlife. 2500 02:21:25.479 --> 02:21:26.559 It's worth living. 2501 02:21:27.479 --> 02:21:35.680 Why's your way town? The God up? Baby Colt? Why 2502 02:21:35.920 --> 02:21:41.639 sur pray down? Got up steaming cold? Oh? 2503 02:21:41.840 --> 02:21:44.920 Yes, what a pray down? 2504 02:21:45.200 --> 02:21:47.520 The god baby Colt? 2505 02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:55.520 Oh yeah, you got steamy Colt. 2506 02:21:57.920 --> 02:22:08.920 Oh, don't give up, No, don't give in, never leave all. 2507 02:22:09.200 --> 02:22:14.079 Don't let go of the primise men done? Yes, God 2508 02:22:14.239 --> 02:22:20.239 a plan wa God of if it calls, and don't 2509 02:22:20.440 --> 02:22:25.639 give no dog giving but never the soul. Don't let 2510 02:22:25.760 --> 02:22:27.360 go of the primes. 2511 02:22:27.920 --> 02:22:35.079 Gettin't done? Love is what living? What's the God of every? 2512 02:22:35.280 --> 02:22:36.159 Cols? 2513 02:22:41.040 --> 02:22:41.239 Oh? 2514 02:22:41.440 --> 02:22:42.920 The God of need? 2515 02:22:44.239 --> 02:22:49.959 Cos WHA's done? The God of 2516 02:22:58.680 --> 02:23:04.639 You're listening to the fact that to radio network, Just 2517 02:23:04.719 --> 02:23:06.280 the Facts, Mammy m