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<v Speaker 1>Hello, my friends, coming to you from studio here at

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<v Speaker 1>Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening

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<v Speaker 1>Simplified Show with Stacey Hervella me, Rick weisst and our

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<v Speaker 1>engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, it's a labor

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<v Speaker 1>Day weekend. Let's talk about some labor saving methods in

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<v Speaker 1>the garden. You know you're getting old when there are

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<v Speaker 1>less things to learn the hard way. We keep learning

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<v Speaker 1>no matter our age. We are always interns. And I

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<v Speaker 1>learned from my mistakes, and some of the mistakes I've

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<v Speaker 1>made in the garden have actually turned into labor's saving methods.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh like what?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? For example, one of my favorite tools in the

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<v Speaker 1>garden is an onion hole. Oh, I love using an onion.

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<v Speaker 2>What's wait, what's a difference between onion how in a

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<v Speaker 2>regular hole?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you asked. An onion ho is wider than

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<v Speaker 1>a typical hole, okay, but not nearly as tall. The

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<v Speaker 1>blade is not nearly as tall. So you're about one

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<v Speaker 1>and a half inch height on the blade, maybe as

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<v Speaker 1>much as six or seven inches across, and it's sharp

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<v Speaker 1>on three sides.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing maneuvers around in the soil so beautifully, and

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<v Speaker 1>as I admitted on last week's show, I'm sorry. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a tiller and onion hoes make weeding so much easier.

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<v Speaker 1>I view the onion hoe as a labor saving device

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<v Speaker 1>and I use it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I think the important thing is to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when we're looking at ways to save labor,

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<v Speaker 2>understand that what works for someone isn't what necessarily will

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<v Speaker 2>work for you, and so you have to stay experimental.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the best places, and I'm giving away a

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<v Speaker 2>huge secret here, but do it anyway. To find I

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<v Speaker 2>actually totally set it on the show before. To find

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<v Speaker 2>garden tools is a state sales and you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>find all sorts of crazy old tools of all different

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<v Speaker 2>configurations and much you would get, you know, at your

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<v Speaker 2>regular hardware store now. And if you see see something

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<v Speaker 2>that looks interesting to you, you might as well pick

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<v Speaker 2>it up for you know, two or three dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>it might just be your next great garden tools.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, two birds with one stone, labor saving and cheap.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I gotta love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that I can buy it, you know, talking

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<v Speaker 1>about labor savings, I guess falls a great time to

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<v Speaker 1>do that too, because I'm a huge proponent of fall

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<v Speaker 1>is for planting. I think it's one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>year times of the year to put plants in the

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<v Speaker 1>ground because plants are going to focus on root establishment,

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<v Speaker 1>not on top growth. But when it comes to weeds

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<v Speaker 1>and weed control and identifying both perennial and annual weeds

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<v Speaker 1>and controlling them now so that they don't become a

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<v Speaker 1>problem in spring. I think fall is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best labor saving periods of the year to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>weed issues my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you're right, it does provide a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity for that. And you know, when we're talking about weeds,

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<v Speaker 2>one of my labor saving tips for the garden is

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<v Speaker 2>just a plant really close together so the weeds can't grow.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that it looks great.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I personally prefer the look. You know, some

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<v Speaker 2>people they don't like their plants to touch. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get that. I mean, I understand that there are people

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<v Speaker 2>out there like that, and I've certainly heard from them,

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<v Speaker 2>and they look at that spacing and then they're just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go ahead and add like another foot. Because plants

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<v Speaker 2>should never touch. They should all have a tidy little border.

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<v Speaker 2>I am the opposite. I want everything to be knitted together.

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<v Speaker 2>I want just an uninterrupted plant panorama. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you plant that close together, one of the benefits

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<v Speaker 2>is that they shade out the weeds or you just

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<v Speaker 2>don't notice them because they're covered by the plants, which

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<v Speaker 2>is also okay with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you brought that up. One of our most

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<v Speaker 1>popular shows in the past year was the show on

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<v Speaker 1>layering plants, and it's kind of along that concept. You

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mimic how nature behaves and you ensure a

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<v Speaker 1>balance system. And yes, it helps as far as weeds

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<v Speaker 1>are concerned. Not everybody has a tree canopy. If you

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<v Speaker 1>think layering, maybe tree canopy, then shrubs, and then perennials, groundcovers.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everybody has a tree canopy, but you could use

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<v Speaker 1>your home, your structure as that tree canopy, and then

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<v Speaker 1>of course apply the shrubs, the groundcovers and the perennials.

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<v Speaker 1>You could do that. Quick connects on my hoses is

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<v Speaker 1>a labors. I love quick I'm not a fan pop

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<v Speaker 1>on pop up Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>They just never seem to work. I mean, well, that

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<v Speaker 2>would be a good ri This goes back to my

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<v Speaker 2>landscaping days when I was in college, so I am

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<v Speaker 2>going back quite a few years. But it seemed like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we like some hoses, would have them, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you couldn't get things to connect. You didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the right parts. Now, if it's just your house and

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<v Speaker 2>even invested in quick connects, it might work. But I

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<v Speaker 2>have a pretty small yard, so I just have one

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<v Speaker 2>hose cart for my entire yard, so I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>need it. I have one hose hooked up. I can

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<v Speaker 2>go around my entire house with it. It's on a cart.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's my labor saving device. We've talked many times

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<v Speaker 2>how we dislike watering. It is our least favorite gard

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<v Speaker 2>hoses because of the hoses. And this this little hose

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<v Speaker 2>cart that I have, so it's not one that like

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<v Speaker 2>connects to the house. It's on wheels, four wheels. You

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<v Speaker 2>can wheel it all around. Love that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice? Nice. Well, I'm the king, I'm the cannon King

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<v Speaker 1>and the king of quick connects.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, good to know.

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<v Speaker 1>There you have it. As a matter of fact, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad you brought that up because I prepared a labor

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<v Speaker 1>labor saving limb a rick for you today. Here it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching my next door neighbor hacking weeds and

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<v Speaker 1>brush with a saber. I thought that looks sweaty and

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<v Speaker 1>not to be petty, but I'm not into that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of labor. I'm getting attention, headache. I just stepped on

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<v Speaker 1>my garden rake. Things aren't going well, so I'll sip

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<v Speaker 1>some Zinfidel and take the hydration break. I took a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's I think we're gonna, you know, give

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<v Speaker 2>all these is about labor saving, but I think one

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<v Speaker 2>of the really important aspects is to decide for yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>like what you're going to do, what's worth your time.

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<v Speaker 2>And it goes back to our conversation last week with

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<v Speaker 2>Debor Napke, where it's just like, you know, you are

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<v Speaker 2>the one in charge of your garden, and some tolerance

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<v Speaker 2>for things maybe not being you know, like our archetype

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<v Speaker 2>of a nineteen fifties household with the AstroTurf lawn and

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<v Speaker 2>everything edged and everything trimmed. If you like that, look

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<v Speaker 2>go for it. Know that it is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of work, but know that that is not

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<v Speaker 2>the only way in my garden. You know, people will

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<v Speaker 2>see it, say, oh so many plants. This must be

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<v Speaker 2>so much work. And honestly, the only place I work

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<v Speaker 2>in my garden in summer is a vegetable garden. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, and even that not that much.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. Yeah. And of course for us as humans

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to plants, of course, everybody's looking for the

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<v Speaker 1>next great thing, the next pill to take or supplement

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever it may be, herbal supplement. But as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the landscape is concerned, I think two labor savers,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, are the fertilizer prills that feed for

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<v Speaker 1>three or four months. Proven Winners has one osma code

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<v Speaker 1>is another one that you may recognize. I love those

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<v Speaker 1>continuous release fertilizers. And then also I wondered if you,

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<v Speaker 1>because both of us struggle with deer stacy, I wondered

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<v Speaker 1>if you've had any experience or heard anything on the

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<v Speaker 1>systemic repellent so systemic granular repellents where the actual repellent

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<v Speaker 1>becomes part of the plant so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I have not, And I'm thinking, you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>this something I would try?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, I mean, normally my garden is at a point

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<v Speaker 2>right now where the deer, everything that the deer would

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<v Speaker 2>really eat is gone, like they've already destroyed it. I

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<v Speaker 2>had to replace it with something else. It's grown in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done. But this year I think when I were

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<v Speaker 2>talking to Laura Roblos a few years a few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about how the deer have really done a

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<v Speaker 2>number on some of my semmarific high business, not all

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<v Speaker 2>of them. So you know, I miss those things in flower.

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<v Speaker 2>I would consider it in that particular batch.

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<v Speaker 1>I gave a speech a few weeks ago and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lady in the back during the question and

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<v Speaker 1>answer period who just went off on systemic deer repellence

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<v Speaker 1>and completely sold on them. So I'm like, well, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's something I'm going to get into. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>part of also labor savings, especially as we get into fall,

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<v Speaker 1>is that Lasagna garden passive compost kind of approach. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to put newsprint down on grassy areas and then

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<v Speaker 1>leaves on top of that, soil on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>let it cook all winter long. We have a picture

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<v Speaker 1>for you at our website and that and then the

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<v Speaker 1>following spring I tilled it up, and boy I had

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<v Speaker 1>a great planting bed or I didn't have to dig

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<v Speaker 1>up the turf, the weeds, the soil, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I smothered them with the lasagna concept. To me, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a that's a labor Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, unfortunately, good luck finding newsprints.

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<v Speaker 1>Say the point so you use cardboard.

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<v Speaker 2>Now untreated cardboard, and that is there was recently a

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<v Speaker 2>study that talked about how there was a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>chemicals coming out in cardboard and discouraging people from using it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I have always also struggled with making

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<v Speaker 2>gardening beds. I love to have a lot of beds,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, making them, you know, is a disposal issue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of work. So honestly I've said this before,

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<v Speaker 2>but having a company come and remove my lawn with

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<v Speaker 2>sod cutters best thing I ever done. Love it, So

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<v Speaker 2>don't be afraid to rent a sod cutter or have

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<v Speaker 2>someone come out. It was much less than I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>and I came home to no grass. It was lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, and certainly labor say, very labor safe. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have no grass left either. But I took the I

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<v Speaker 1>took the I took the long way around. Exactly quick

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<v Speaker 1>labor saver, take a rake and stir the mulch in

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<v Speaker 1>your landscape. Mulch can become hydrophobic as far as watering

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<v Speaker 1>plants are concerned stirring the mulch. So there are many

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<v Speaker 1>different ways to save labor make things a little easier

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<v Speaker 1>on yourself. I'm going to be interested to see how

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<v Speaker 1>Stacey ties that in in plants on trial, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up next here on the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs cares about your success in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden. That's why we trial and test all of

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<v Speaker 2>our shrubs for eight to ten years, making sure they

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<v Speaker 2>the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greeting's

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<v Speaker 2>gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show,

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<v Speaker 2>where we are talking about saving labor and honestly, shrubs

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<v Speaker 2>in general our labor savers. I have heard from countless

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<v Speaker 2>gardeners over the years who have said, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting old or had an injury and I'm switching my

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<v Speaker 2>lot of work, especially repeatedly through the year, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know, once you get them established, they don't need

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<v Speaker 2>hardly anything. And it always amazes me, you know when

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<v Speaker 2>people talk about gardening being work, and it's like, do

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<v Speaker 2>you have a lawn, because that lawn is work, and

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<v Speaker 2>all you're doing that work for is just to get

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<v Speaker 2>it to like a status quo. And you have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep repeating that, you know, you water it, God forbid,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta water it. You got to mow it once

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<v Speaker 2>or twice a week sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I put in a swath of dear villa.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh nice, Qodiac orange?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it yep?

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<v Speaker 1>Drought resistant? Easy? Like you said, labor saving. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna guess that's your plant.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not. That one is not my plant today.

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<v Speaker 2>Plants on trial is an ode to big shrubs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know big shrubs, I have to confess. Our

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<v Speaker 2>They they are looking more for compact shrubs, which makes

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<v Speaker 2>smaller yards and much smaller beds, and so there is

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<v Speaker 2>in a way they also have a lot of labor

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<v Speaker 2>saving because they're going to stay nice and compact, and

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<v Speaker 2>you won't have to worry about trimming them or make

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<v Speaker 2>worrying about them, you know, out growing their space and

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<v Speaker 2>growing over your dining, your windows, all of that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. But I am a huge fan of big shrubs.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I am not gonna wrap. I like big shrubs

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<v Speaker 2>and they cannot lie. But you know, I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to make the case for big shrubs because a big shrub,

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<v Speaker 2>and by big, I mean like at least six feet

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<v Speaker 2>tall and wide and very often much bigger than that

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<v Speaker 2>properly spaced from you know, all its surrounding, it's neighboring plants,

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<v Speaker 2>your home, your property line, whatever the thing surrounding it

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<v Speaker 2>is properly spaced. A big shrub is going to take

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<v Speaker 2>up so much space, and it is going to transform

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<v Speaker 2>whatever space it has from a high maintenance space to

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<v Speaker 2>do anything. So I combed through our plants. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good amount still of large shrubs. But the

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<v Speaker 2>one that we're highlighting today is today's plants on trial

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<v Speaker 2>is red Balloon Viburnum.

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<v Speaker 1>Great choice, you get a great return on investment.

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<v Speaker 2>You really do. So this is a large plant, six

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<v Speaker 2>to eight feet tall and wide. So if we look

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<v Speaker 2>at what I was just saying, as you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you pick a large shrub, and again, proper sighting is

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<v Speaker 2>this is important for all maintenance really in the garden,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you don't cite something properly, whether that's spacing

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<v Speaker 2>or growing conditions, no, it won't be low maintenance because

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be working your buns off to try to get it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, happy, and you won't be able to properly

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<v Speaker 2>spaced of red balloon viburnum. It's six to eight feet

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<v Speaker 2>tall and wide, is going to take up roughly sixty

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<v Speaker 2>four square feet of ground space. WHOA, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>take so it's eight by eight sixty four. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can take sixty four square feet of your lawn

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<v Speaker 2>and transform it from an area that you have to

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<v Speaker 2>mow and maintain to a beautiful flowering shrub. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have again a number of very large shrubs in

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<v Speaker 2>the line. But I picked red balloon because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great plant for multi season interest.

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<v Speaker 1>I love viburnums in general, I mean spring, summer, fall interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, So this is a hybrid viburnum. It is

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<v Speaker 2>known the common name is a lantana phylum Viburnum. H.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get to the botanical name. Yes, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know my method with Latin names. I just say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the reality is it rolls off f your tongue. So

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<v Speaker 1>the botanical name is ripped to diffiloides.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, for this is going to become a lot easier

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<v Speaker 2>once we break it down. Okay, So, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a hybrid viburnum. It's a hybrid of the

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<v Speaker 2>what's known as the wayfaring tree, which is a lovely

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<v Speaker 2>poetic common name Viburnum lantana. And you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about that, and nowadays, if you say lantana in

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<v Speaker 2>the context of a garden, people are thinking of a

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<v Speaker 2>lantana plant which has those nice colorful flowers, look like

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<v Speaker 2>little chicklets in the middle, really different colors, terrible smell.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't personally care for the smell. But lantana was

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<v Speaker 2>actually the Latin term for viburnum. So this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of those really confusing situations where the species one of

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<v Speaker 2>the species of the parents of red bulloon. Viburnum is

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<v Speaker 2>Viburnum lantana, but the plant that we call antana nowadays

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<v Speaker 2>is not a viburnum. It is opposite leaf. So I

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<v Speaker 2>could see you know where the confusion might arise, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is known as lantana in and of itself. So

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<v Speaker 2>one of those just really confusing botanical nomenclature kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So hybrid between Viburnum lantana and Viburnum right titiphylum, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, viburnum rititaphylum. You wouldn't mispronounce that because that

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<v Speaker 2>is leatherleaf. Viburnum, Yes, a very popular landscape plant, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you sold lots of them in your career.

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<v Speaker 2>So you combine right to a phylum with lanana and

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<v Speaker 2>then you have right ta filoides. Wow, something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you did the heavy lifting there, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, so Viburnum right to aphylum is leatherly fiburnum.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just I mean, it's such a great plant

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<v Speaker 2>for year round interest. It has ever semi evergreen foliage.

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<v Speaker 2>They're big, they're elegant. I always think of them as

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<v Speaker 2>kind of giving, like a really beautiful woodland look to

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<v Speaker 2>a property. So basically, Red Balloon combines the best features

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<v Speaker 2>of both of them plants. So in spring you are going

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<v Speaker 2>to have these big clusters of white flowers. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>do want to warn you on these viburnum flowers. They

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<v Speaker 2>are not one of the viburnums that smell good. Quite

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite. They are a little bit animally smelling. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth sticking through that. Planting it downwind of your bedroom,

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<v Speaker 2>for example.

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<v Speaker 1>And does that make a deer resistant.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, viburnums in general are somewhat deer resistant. There's

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<v Speaker 2>you'll find a pretty wide range of resistance. And I

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<v Speaker 2>am telling you speaking from experience here what happens to

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<v Speaker 2>most I don't have Red Balloon in my yard, but

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<v Speaker 2>what happens to most of the viburnums that I grow

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<v Speaker 2>is that the deer love the flowers. Yes, they mostly

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<v Speaker 2>leave the plant alone, but they love the flowers. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I would think that this particular viburnum is probably not

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<v Speaker 2>high on a deer pelatability list pelletability list because the folio,

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<v Speaker 2>the stems and foliage are quite flucked. They have like

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of hairy and that's comes through the leather

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<v Speaker 2>leaf parentage, so most likely pretty good dear resistance. So

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<v Speaker 2>you got those flowers in late spring and those are

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<v Speaker 2>without a pollinator, no pollinator required, going to develop into

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<v Speaker 2>red and black fruits in late summer and fall, and

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<v Speaker 2>then that will persist through winter. And if you live

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<v Speaker 2>in a mild climate, so red balloon and viburnum is

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<v Speaker 2>hardy down to USDA Zone four heat tolerant through zone eight.

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<v Speaker 2>If you live probably in like zone five or warmer,

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<v Speaker 2>it's less likely in zone four it will be semi evergreen.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's again going back to that leather leaf parentage,

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<v Speaker 2>so you'll have some leaves sticking around. So as Rick said,

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting that you know, coverage and interest and color

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<v Speaker 2>all the way from you know spring, all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to the following spring, and again transforming these areas of

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<v Speaker 2>your yard into something that was high maintenance into something

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<v Speaker 2>that was low maintenance, and I think that just makes

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<v Speaker 2>a huge, huge difference. They also outcompete weeds, so we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about spacing out competing weeds, but a shrub

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<v Speaker 2>because they are branched to the ground, typically providing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of shade in the interior there, so that weeds

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<v Speaker 2>can't grow. They're not going to grow, and you won't

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<v Speaker 2>see them even if they do. Another great benefit. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that makes it really simple too. And again they're

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<v Speaker 2>just easy and trees are also very low maintenance. But trees,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, you have to wait a lot longer for

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<v Speaker 2>them to do their thing. Sometimes that can be a

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<v Speaker 2>big commitment that we're maybe not ready to make, or

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<v Speaker 2>we're worried about the height that they will eventually maintain,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, causing issues for our house or a neighbor's

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<v Speaker 2>house or something like that. So yeah, overall, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>win win. People might say look at a shrub like

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<v Speaker 2>this and say, whoa, that's too big, But when you

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<v Speaker 2>really start thinking about what this means in your yard,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it really transforms your perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and along the lines of labor saving, boy, it

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<v Speaker 1>takes a lot of labor to move, to have to

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<v Speaker 1>pack and move out of your house. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a neighbor that you're really not keen about it,

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<v Speaker 1>this plant would make great screening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's a good great screen just make them go

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<v Speaker 2>away behind the viburnum. Yeah, so it's great as a specimen.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I'm talking about that eight by eight square

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<v Speaker 2>eight by sixty four square feet that it is taking up.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be if you just planted a single one.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you have the room and you're looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a hedge, and particularly if you're looking for a hedge

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<v Speaker 2>and you have a deer issue and arbivid's out of

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<v Speaker 2>the question, this is a great choice. It's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be quite as fast growing, but it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>provide that coverage and be much more interesting too than

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<v Speaker 2>you know what everybody and their brother has planted in

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<v Speaker 2>their yard. And the other thing finally is that, as

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<v Speaker 2>with most flowering shrubs that flower and fruit, it makes

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<v Speaker 2>pruning almost impossible because if you prune it after it blooms,

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<v Speaker 2>it blooms on old wood, you'll be taking off the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility for fruit to form. If you prune it in fall,

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<v Speaker 2>after the fruit is formed, you'll be taking off the

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<v Speaker 2>flower buds. So no pruning required. And again, as long

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<v Speaker 2>as you're spacing it properly, you won't even have to

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<v Speaker 2>prune it. This plan is just going to sit around

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<v Speaker 2>and look gorgeous and take high maintenance areas and transform

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<v Speaker 2>them into low maintenance. So take a look at red

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<v Speaker 2>balloon viburnum on our website Gardening Simplified on Air dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can decide if it's going to earn a

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<v Speaker 2>spot in your garden. We're gonna take a little break.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we're opening up the garden mail bag,

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<v Speaker 2>so please stay tuned. At proven Winner's Color Choice, We've

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<v Speaker 2>got a shrub for every taste and every space. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for an easy care rose and unforgettable hydrangea

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<v Speaker 2>or something new and unique, you can be confident that

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<v Speaker 2>the shrubs and the white containers have been trialed and

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<v Speaker 2>tested for your success. Look for them at your local

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<v Speaker 2>garden center. Greeting's Gardening friends, and welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 2>Gardening Simplified Show, where it's time for us to So

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<v Speaker 2>you're burning gardening questions, Maybe they're not burning, Maybe they're

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<v Speaker 2>just little curiosities you have. I mean, we can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you as much as anyone else that when you're out

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<v Speaker 2>and you wonder what's going on, and if so, we're

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<v Speaker 2>here for you. You can reach us at help HLP

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<v Speaker 2>at Gardening Simplified on Air dot com, or just go

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<v Speaker 2>to Gardening simplified on air dot com and send us

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<v Speaker 2>a message there. You can also leave a comment on

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube if you are a YouTube viewer, and Adriana will

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<v Speaker 2>let us know she needs some help answer your question.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get back to you there as well. And this

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<v Speaker 2>first question, I'm glad that it came up because it

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<v Speaker 2>is one that I have heard many times in my

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<v Speaker 2>years here at proven Winner's Color.

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<v Speaker 1>Choice, Jessica writes to us, I have a reoccurring issue

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<v Speaker 1>with my approximately ten year old blacklace elderberry. Every year

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<v Speaker 1>it starts getting droopy leaves and branches. I cut it

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<v Speaker 1>back and the branches have holes down the center like

431
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<v Speaker 1>there's a bor present. However, I never find a bore

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<v Speaker 1>despite cutting back to intact growth. Any thoughts, I ideas

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<v Speaker 1>or a suggestion, So, Jessica, is zone six B Southwest Ohio, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Where elderberry grows native. In fact, elderberry grows native throughout

435
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<v Speaker 2>a great deal of the US. We have a lot

436
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<v Speaker 2>of native elderberry, both our native red elderberry and our

437
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<v Speaker 2>regular summer elderberry Sambucus canadensis. And since we do have

438
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<v Speaker 2>so much native elderberry growing around here in the US

439
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<v Speaker 2>and Canada, we have a native borer that finds the

440
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<v Speaker 2>European varieties like black lace just as appealing as they

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<v Speaker 2>find are native varieties, because actually the European variety Sambucus

442
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<v Speaker 2>nigra is by some taxon mis considered to be a

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<v Speaker 2>subspecies of Sambucus canadensis, so they're very very closely related.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Now the elderberry bor, there are actually two different elder borers.

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<v Speaker 2>One is a moth and one is a wasp. Whichever

446
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<v Speaker 2>one you have, it doesn't really matter all that much

447
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<v Speaker 2>because the treatment, if you want to treat them, is

448
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<v Speaker 2>the same. And the first thing I want to say though,

449
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<v Speaker 2>is that it's not necessary to treat them. I know,

450
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<v Speaker 2>especially on a big, beautiful, mature black lace like you

451
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<v Speaker 2>have here, Jessica, it can be very alarming to see

452
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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden those parts of foliage start wilting

453
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<v Speaker 2>all over. But this is a plant that gets big.

454
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<v Speaker 2>So speaking of big shrubs, this was actually a second

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<v Speaker 2>place contender for today's Plants on Trial because it is

456
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<v Speaker 2>also big. It can I mean, I have seen black

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<v Speaker 2>lace get to be easily ten by ten. Elderberry is

458
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<v Speaker 2>a big shrub, so they can easily withstand some of

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<v Speaker 2>this damage. It looks very dramatic, but it's actually not

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<v Speaker 2>that bad for the plant. And the reason, Jessica, that

461
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<v Speaker 2>you're not finding the actual borders themselves is because by

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<v Speaker 2>the time you are seeing that wilting in the branch,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because the boer has left the building the elderberry

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<v Speaker 2>as it were. So basically what happens is the adults

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<v Speaker 2>will lay eggs in the plant, probably sometime in the

466
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<v Speaker 2>next month or so, and then those will hatch out.

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<v Speaker 2>The borers will feed in the plant. Feeding in the

468
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<v Speaker 2>plant isn't really that much of a problem, but come

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<v Speaker 2>next June, when they have pupaid it and are ready

470
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<v Speaker 2>to emerge, then they're going to chew a little hole

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of the stem, free themselves from inside

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<v Speaker 2>the stem, and that's what causes that wilting. So the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is that the borers cannot live in wood that

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<v Speaker 2>is two years old or younger because the stem diameter

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<v Speaker 2>is not large enough to accommodate their squishy bodies. And

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<v Speaker 2>so one thing that you can do is to simply

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<v Speaker 2>cut the plant back every year or every other year.

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<v Speaker 2>If you cut it back every year, the plant will

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<v Speaker 2>stay smaller. You'll have a lot of beautiful foliage, but

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<v Speaker 2>it won't flower. If you take the every other year approach,

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<v Speaker 2>then you will have flowers every other year, and that

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<v Speaker 2>will actually make sure that all of the growth on

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<v Speaker 2>the plant stays young enough that the borers can never

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<v Speaker 2>take up residence in it. Now, of course, you have

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<v Speaker 2>a ten year old plant. I don't necessarily think that

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<v Speaker 2>it is practical for you to think about cutting this

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing back to the ground. If you're willing to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, it will certainly recover. If you do decide

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<v Speaker 2>to cut back an elderberry for this reason or any reason,

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<v Speaker 2>the best time to do that is in spring. If

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<v Speaker 2>you cut it back basically anytime from June through November,

492
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<v Speaker 2>it's very very slow to recover. So you should not

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<v Speaker 2>prune elderberries in any severe way after spring. But overall,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's a little bit disappointing and a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit alarming, it's not a cause for concern. Their populations

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<v Speaker 2>stay very small and controlled, and you don't necessarily need

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<v Speaker 2>to manage it. And if you want toup put some

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<v Speaker 2>resources in the show notes at Gardening Simplified on air

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. But overall, you know, most universities when they're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the elderbors in terms. Unless you're growing elderberry

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<v Speaker 2>for commercial production of the fruit, they say, just tolerate it,

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<v Speaker 2>just live with.

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<v Speaker 1>It, and it acts or has an effect on the

504
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<v Speaker 1>planet similar to a squash vine bore yea and squash

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<v Speaker 1>and causing that wilting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it's much more detrimental in a squash from

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00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 2>you'll lose your entire zucchini in that case, whereas with

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<v Speaker 2>especially a very mature black lace, it's again it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a problem. You can just prune those little wilted

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<v Speaker 2>branches out and uh then call it a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Elaine writes to us. Last year, I transplanted two rhubarb

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<v Speaker 1>plants from a shady spot into my sunny, fenced in garden.

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<v Speaker 1>They were growing beautifully up until the last two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the plants started to turn yellow, and now

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<v Speaker 1>many of the leaves are turning brown, and the second

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<v Speaker 1>plant is also starting to turn yellow. Any ideas what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening and how to prevent this from happening again next year?

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<v Speaker 1>And this is uh, this is a pretty common problem

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<v Speaker 1>that we see Stacey with the with rhubarb from time

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<v Speaker 1>to time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I have I grow rhubarb, which is to say,

522
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<v Speaker 2>I have some rhubarb in my garden that struggles because

523
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<v Speaker 2>I don't water it enough. So I knew instantly when

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Elaine's photos of her big, beautiful robust rubarb,

525
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<v Speaker 2>watering was not the issue. So mine stay very small

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't water them. But yeah, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>leaf spot. It is known as rhubarb leaf spot or

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<v Speaker 2>asko kaita leaf spot. And you know, when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to leaf spots with plants, I often tell people it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter all that much what the exact leaf spot

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<v Speaker 2>you have is, because the way you deal with them

532
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.200
<v Speaker 2>is always the same. If you don't want to use pesticides,

533
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.640
<v Speaker 2>very simple solution. Of course, you don't want to use

534
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>pesticides on your rhubarb, very simple solution. When the foliage

535
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 2>dies back, and I think you can go ahead and

536
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.240
<v Speaker 2>take the foliage it's very yellow now, and just cut that.

537
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Make sure that you gather that all up and throw

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<v Speaker 2>it away in the garbage. Don't compost it, because what

539
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>happens is those fungal leaf spots. So think about a mushroom.

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<v Speaker 2>A mushroom grows opens its skills, those spores come out

541
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.559
<v Speaker 2>and those make mush in the future. Well, even though

542
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.839
<v Speaker 2>a leaf spot is not exactly like a mushroom, those

543
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:07.039
<v Speaker 2>fruiting bodies, so which you're actually seeing when you see

544
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 2>the leaf spot, is the fungus itself having you know,

545
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:14.680
<v Speaker 2>as a fruiting body. If you leave those under the plant,

546
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 2>all winter spring is going to come, the roobarb is

547
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.039
<v Speaker 2>going to start to grow. Sure, that foliage is going

548
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>to be so soft, so tender, it's not going to

549
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>have a waxy cuticle yet, and those conditions are going

550
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 2>to be right for those sports just come right back

551
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>up onto the plant. Now, that doesn't always happen if

552
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.960
<v Speaker 2>we have a dryer spring, or there's other factors that

553
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.359
<v Speaker 2>maybe aren't as ideal for the fungus to grow, But

554
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>simply taking care of all of that foliage and discarding

555
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 2>it will make a huge, huge difference.

556
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.359
<v Speaker 1>The foliage is so pretty on rubierb. And in the

557
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 1>seventeenth century in England, when they decided, hey, let's eat

558
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>this plant, they made the mistake of eating the full

559
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>left first idea has the oxalic acid or whatever in it,

560
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and people got very, very sick, and so it kind

561
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<v Speaker 1>of set back that plant about a century or so

562
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.039
<v Speaker 1>until somebody came up with a great idea, let's use

563
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 1>the stalks and make pies out of rhubarb, and then

564
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 1>the plant regained its popular popularity. The plant, of course,

565
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.559
<v Speaker 1>also can suffer from crown rot, so you want to

566
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<v Speaker 1>make sure. This is a classic example of one of

567
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.279
<v Speaker 1>those plants where you want good humus in the soil,

568
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>good organic material, maybe side dressing with some manure, but

569
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.559
<v Speaker 1>it's got to have good drainage too, or you run

570
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 1>into problems.

571
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.359
<v Speaker 2>And enough water or you will also run into problems,

572
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<v Speaker 2>as I can tell you because I have never gotten

573
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<v Speaker 2>a harvest off my roobarb. The poor thing just limps

574
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.079
<v Speaker 2>along all season long, looking very sad. But that advice

575
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.319
<v Speaker 2>that we gave to Elane that will work for any

576
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 2>plant that you have that has leaf spot. Just do

577
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.079
<v Speaker 2>your best to get it out of there and that

578
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>will help a great deal and.

579
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<v Speaker 1>Real quickly, Angie wrote to us, I just picked up

580
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<v Speaker 1>seven Brandon cedars arbor Viti to create a hedge in

581
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>our zone three yard, Alberta, Canada. Yes, it was a

582
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<v Speaker 1>great deal, so I jump on buying them before doing

583
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Speaker 1>much research. How can I ensure I'm successful and keep

584
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 1>them growing happy for years to come.

585
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 2>So overall, arborvid are very easy to grow. They're very amenable.

586
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<v Speaker 2>In fact, they're probably native to Alberta, so don't have

587
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 2>to do a whole lot to keep them happy. I

588
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 2>would say average moisture, good drainage is important. They can

589
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:22.799
<v Speaker 2>take short periods of wet soil, but you want them

590
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 2>to grow in the illustrious, moist yet well drained soil.

591
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Mulch is super crucial because they do have very shallow,

592
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 2>fibrous roots, so mult will really help keep those roots

593
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>insulated in the winter and cool and growing well in

594
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the summer, which is key to establishment and healthy growth.

595
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, probably the only issue that you're going

596
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 2>to have to worry about is potentially, I don't know

597
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 2>how bad the bagworm situation is up in Alberta, but

598
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 2>certainly down here in the US, especially in more urban areas,

599
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the bagworms can be a huge problem and completely disfigure

600
00:31:56.920 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 2>the plant. So you're just going to want to, you know,

601
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 2>do some research. I can post some links in the

602
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>show notes on what to look for for bagworms, and

603
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>they're pretty easy to manage, but you just don't want

604
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>to let the they if they are there, let them

605
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.680
<v Speaker 2>get away from you, because then they will really proliferate

606
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.119
<v Speaker 2>and become very difficult to manage without chemicals.

607
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<v Speaker 1>In such a beautiful area Alberta, Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where my grandmother was born.

609
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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful. Yeah, I've been there a few times. What a

610
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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, thank you all so much for your questions.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a question, you can reach us at

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<v Speaker 2>Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. We need to take a

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<v Speaker 2>little break and when we come back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>saving show. And what better thing to talk about in

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00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the final segment than fall is for planting? Because I

625
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:12.839
<v Speaker 1>have to be honest with you, Stacy, this is one

626
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite topics. Maybe it's because for years I

627
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 1>was a garden center owner operator, and you were trying

628
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:26.759
<v Speaker 1>to generate some business during the fall period. You know,

629
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>in spring, the business comes at you hot and heavy,

630
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 1>and it's a crazy time in fall. You know, both

631
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:39.880
<v Speaker 1>you and I aren't the biggest fans of mums. Let's say,

632
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>am I correct in sack? Okay? But there are many

633
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 1>many alternatives that can be used to mums. But the

634
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>reality is that fall is a fabulous time of the

635
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 1>year to establish plants. Because the temperatures cool down, the

636
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 1>plant does not focus on top growth. Roots establish, and

637
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 1>even here in Michigan, Stacy, I believe that we get

638
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>root establishment well into November May. I even dare say December,

639
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 1>as the air temperature's plummet, the roots still have an

640
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to grow.

641
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if the temperature is in the is

642
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.480
<v Speaker 2>fifty or over, root growth will continue. And so there

643
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.199
<v Speaker 2>is about, as I recall, don't quote me on this,

644
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I think a three hour leg between air temperature and

645
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>soil temperature. So even if you have, you know, a

646
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:34.119
<v Speaker 2>day where it's in the fifties for a short period

647
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.000
<v Speaker 2>in sunny you're still going to have root growth. You know,

648
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 2>during that day and you know, a lot of people

649
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 2>will ask me they planted something, they're not happy with

650
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 2>how it's doing. Why isn't it flowering, Why isn't it growing?

651
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I said, it is growing. It's just that the growth

652
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.719
<v Speaker 2>is underground. Because when you plant something, whether you plant

653
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>it and fallow your planet in spring or summer, whatever,

654
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>what a planet is going to do is say, well, shoot,

655
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I got to put roots down because roots are what

656
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>is going to get me through anything that is going

657
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>to come my way. I can't deal with any challenges

658
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 2>unless I have a good root system. And as we've

659
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:10.519
<v Speaker 2>said before, a plant's roots grow directly determine how much

660
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>a plant is going to grow on top. This is

661
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.039
<v Speaker 2>why we have bone side plants because if you restrict

662
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.679
<v Speaker 2>the root room, you restrict the top growth. And similarly,

663
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 2>if the root growth starts to develop, it is then

664
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.519
<v Speaker 2>able to respond with an equal amount of top growth. Now,

665
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.599
<v Speaker 2>if you do that in spring, the plant is sitting

666
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.239
<v Speaker 2>there going whoa, I got to put on root growth.

667
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I also have to put on top growth because it's

668
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 2>spring and I'm growing, and the days are lengthening and

669
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:33.039
<v Speaker 2>it's warm, and you know, and it has to spread

670
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:37.800
<v Speaker 2>its energies over many more functions, whereas in fall it

671
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.199
<v Speaker 2>really can put all of its energies into root growth

672
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>because it's still photosynthesizing with all of those nice sunny

673
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 2>fall days, taking all that energy storing it and it

674
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.519
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to worry about supporting all that flowers and

675
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:53.559
<v Speaker 2>foliage and all of that other stuff through the coming months.

676
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.239
<v Speaker 2>It's like, Hey, I'm an easy street, I'm just growing roots.

677
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love that. And you know, we've talked about

678
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>in the past that in urban settings, we go out

679
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.400
<v Speaker 1>there in the fall and we're leaf blowing and bagging

680
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and we're cleaning everything up, whereas in woodland areas, the

681
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.119
<v Speaker 1>trees are benefiting from the leaves and the debris that

682
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 1>falls off of trees. I've always said that money grows

683
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>on trees. The leaves have nutrient value, they have organic

684
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:26.199
<v Speaker 1>tilt value, and so something that I was taught years

685
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>ago and I've done it every year, Stacey, and that

686
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 1>is I have a number of arborist friends and my

687
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.719
<v Speaker 1>son is also an arborist, and they are big proponents

688
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>of fertilizing shade trees and larger trees. In mid to

689
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.199
<v Speaker 1>late October in the north as the leaves are falling

690
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:51.519
<v Speaker 1>off the trees, fertilize the trees, and the tree roots

691
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.920
<v Speaker 1>are able to take in those nutrients. Those nutrients are there,

692
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and the tree is healthier and off to a better

693
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>start next spring. Would you buy into Yeah?

694
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think, you know, the key to making

695
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 2>a fertilizer available to a plant is weathering. So weathering

696
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.159
<v Speaker 2>can happen through rain and wind and the soil, but

697
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.159
<v Speaker 2>having that extra you know, part of the leaf over

698
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>it that is really going to accelerate that weathering. And

699
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, mid to late October is late enough that

700
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.760
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to worry about late season fertilization pushing

701
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:24.880
<v Speaker 2>any growth because the plant's already well on its way

702
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 2>to dormancy. So yeah, I mean I generally for most people,

703
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.719
<v Speaker 2>for homeowners, in terms of fertilizing shrubs, I do recommend

704
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>more like late winter, early spring. But yeah, for trees

705
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 2>that's a totally different situation.

706
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 1>And if you're a lawn person, you want to have

707
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>a nice green lawn, fall is the time of year

708
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 1>to care for it. And I think what I have

709
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>seen through the years is if you don't fertilize your

710
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.440
<v Speaker 1>lawn at all, if there's one time of the year

711
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>you want to fertilize your lawn, and that is in fall.

712
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 1>You see people make the mistake in spring. They you know,

713
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it's they're excited it's spring. They put a fertilizer down,

714
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:03.079
<v Speaker 1>and now they're behind the lawnmower every other night after work.

715
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 1>It falls a great time to apply that fertilizer again

716
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:11.559
<v Speaker 1>for root establishment with turf, and then more importantly, to

717
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 1>identify any weed issues you have, whether it's in your

718
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.800
<v Speaker 1>turf or in your garden or in your landscape, because

719
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>many of your winter annual weeds create what we would

720
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:27.400
<v Speaker 1>call rosettes in the fall, so harry bittercress or henbit.

721
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.320
<v Speaker 1>If you teach yourself what these weeds look like, you

722
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 1>can identify them in fall and they're not going to

723
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>become a big problem in spring. And even perennial weeds

724
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.559
<v Speaker 1>like dandelions. Again, if you were to use an herbicide,

725
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 1>it translocates into the root system because the weeds stacey

726
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.079
<v Speaker 1>are doing the same thing the trees are doing, and

727
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.280
<v Speaker 1>that is they're shutting down for winter. And the theory

728
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.880
<v Speaker 1>is you do get good translocation into the root system

729
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to just top kill right.

730
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:01.679
<v Speaker 2>And I think all of this points to a single idea,

731
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 2>and that is, if you go to the garden center

732
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 2>infall to buy your moms, to buy your pumpkins, your scarecrow,

733
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 2>what are your cornstocks, whatever it is, don't stop there.

734
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Go into the garden center. Look for the fertilizers. You know,

735
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>it's exactly what you said is everybody thinks about it

736
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 2>in spring, but fall is a whole second opportunity and

737
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of us go to the garden center anyway,

738
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 2>whether it's a box store or an independent garden center.

739
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 2>So don't just stop there at the moms. Go in,

740
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, look for shrubs, perennials, trees, look at the

741
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 2>fertilizer selection. There is so much opportunity that people are

742
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.440
<v Speaker 2>missing out on. And you know, we've been talking about

743
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 2>labor throughout the episode today, and you know, I personally

744
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 2>believe and certainly our listeners can tell me if they disagree.

745
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Planting stuff is labor that people don't mind. That is

746
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.599
<v Speaker 2>labor they are happy to do because it's so rewarding,

747
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.559
<v Speaker 2>it's fun. You feel like you're making a long term

748
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:05.280
<v Speaker 2>investment in yourself, and so why would you miss out

749
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 2>on this? Whole season of you know, beautiful temperatures. Who

750
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't love being outside on a beautiful fall day. You can.

751
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.119
<v Speaker 2>I have the World Series on the radio there and

752
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.079
<v Speaker 2>some hot cider. It's win, win, win.

753
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 1>And here's the beautiful little secret. Not only do you

754
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>get that benefit, and not only is it a great

755
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 1>time to put plants in the ground, perennial, shrubs, trees,

756
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing, the odds are you're going to

757
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:31.800
<v Speaker 1>get a bargain.

758
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, I mean I wasn't going to go there,

759
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:35.159
<v Speaker 2>but let's go there.

760
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I'll go there because having operated a garden center, you know,

761
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm out there in September, October, and even November looking

762
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:48.559
<v Speaker 1>for bargains. And you may pick up this plant which

763
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 1>looks very sad, and you feel bad for this plant,

764
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and it looks awful. By next spring, that thing's going

765
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.639
<v Speaker 1>to be gorgeous and it's going to look like you

766
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.679
<v Speaker 1>bought it and it's in all its glory. Yeah, great

767
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:01.960
<v Speaker 1>time of the year to buy plan.

768
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, let's face it, any garden center owner will

769
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.840
<v Speaker 2>tell you, especially with shrubs and perennials and trees, if

770
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>that stuff doesn't sell, they've got to deal with it.

771
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.519
<v Speaker 2>That means they got to drag it into some you know,

772
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.760
<v Speaker 2>quansit hut or something like that, or cover it. It's

773
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>more work for them. And trust me, by the time

774
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.360
<v Speaker 2>fall rolls around, they are done with labor. You think

775
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:23.400
<v Speaker 2>you're done with labor, and the garden garden center owners

776
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.239
<v Speaker 2>are way done with labor. And so yeah, there are

777
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>really good deals to be had. And I think a

778
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of people have some hesitation about planting in fall,

779
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>But honestly, that really, I feel like, goes back to

780
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.159
<v Speaker 2>the olden days when everything was bald and burlapped and

781
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.840
<v Speaker 2>you didn't dig a lot of stuff in fall. But

782
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>now that almost everything in our garden centers is contain

783
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 2>or grown, there is very little that you can't safely

784
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.440
<v Speaker 2>plant in fall. The only exception I'm going to say,

785
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:52.239
<v Speaker 2>especially for those of us who live in colder climates

786
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a USDA Zone six or colder, avoid planting broad leaf evergreens. Now,

787
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>if you get a good deal, you're going to do it. Anyway.

788
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do the same thing. But it's not

789
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, like boxwood, rhododendrons. Those are the kind of

790
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.039
<v Speaker 2>things that I would say you generally want to shy

791
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>away from planting infall, because even though they're going to

792
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:13.039
<v Speaker 2>have some times to put on roots, they're going to

793
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:14.920
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of challenges because they do have those

794
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 2>broad leaves that they're going to have to withstand sun

795
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:20.039
<v Speaker 2>and wind and all of those other things through winter

796
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 2>that you know, they aren't going to be able to

797
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:25.079
<v Speaker 2>do if they don't have a good root system. So

798
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.480
<v Speaker 2>those are the only things I would avoid. But even

799
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:29.320
<v Speaker 2>then I feel like if you do that early enough

800
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.320
<v Speaker 2>in September, it's probably not going to be an issue.

801
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.000
<v Speaker 2>And conifers are not an issue because they are already

802
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.800
<v Speaker 2>adapted to, you know, having lower water needs and with

803
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:38.440
<v Speaker 2>standing winter.

804
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>So instead, let me throw in a plug for my

805
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Dutch family and friends in the Netherlands. Plant bulbs at least,

806
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.639
<v Speaker 1>especially if you are in a northern or a central

807
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 1>US climate up into Canada, great time of the year

808
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to plant bulbs, tulips, hyacinths, and of course if you

809
00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:01.599
<v Speaker 1>struggle with deer fritile areas, aliums and even Dutch bulb

810
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:05.119
<v Speaker 1>iris are fantastic and when they pop up in spring

811
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 1>the deer we'll leave them alone.

812
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:08.920
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, no one ever regrets planting bulbs.

813
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't happen.

814
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love it. Thanks for tuning in

815
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the Gardening Simplified Show. Thanks for making it a habit.

816
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Remember we're on YouTube. We also do a radio show

817
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 1>here and a podcast. It's three and one. Yep, bonus time,

818
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:30.440
<v Speaker 1>just like fall planting exactly. Thanks Stacy, Thanks Adriana, and

819
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.079
<v Speaker 1>thanks to you for your support of our show. Have

820
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 1>a great week.