1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Hello, my friends, coming to you from studio here at 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,400 Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening 3 00:00:08,519 --> 00:00:12,880 Simplified Show with Stacey Hervella me, Rick weisst and our 4 00:00:12,919 --> 00:00:17,600 engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, it's a labor 5 00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:22,879 Day weekend. Let's talk about some labor saving methods in 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,519 the garden. You know you're getting old when there are 7 00:00:25,679 --> 00:00:29,559 less things to learn the hard way. We keep learning 8 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:35,039 no matter our age. We are always interns. And I 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,880 learned from my mistakes, and some of the mistakes I've 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,920 made in the garden have actually turned into labor's saving methods. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: Ooh like what? 12 00:00:43,039 --> 00:00:46,079 Speaker 1: Well? For example, one of my favorite tools in the 13 00:00:46,119 --> 00:00:50,119 garden is an onion hole. Oh, I love using an onion. 14 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:52,399 Speaker 2: What's wait, what's a difference between onion how in a 15 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:52,920 regular hole? 16 00:00:53,039 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked. An onion ho is wider than 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,719 a typical hole, okay, but not nearly as tall. The 18 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:03,479 blade is not nearly as tall. So you're about one 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,840 and a half inch height on the blade, maybe as 20 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:10,400 much as six or seven inches across, and it's sharp 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,599 on three sides. 22 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:12,079 Speaker 2: Okay. 23 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: This thing maneuvers around in the soil so beautifully, and 24 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:20,560 as I admitted on last week's show, I'm sorry. I'm 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,319 a tiller and onion hoes make weeding so much easier. 26 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:29,439 I view the onion hoe as a labor saving device 27 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:30,680 and I use it all the time. 28 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think the important thing is to, 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,480 you know, when we're looking at ways to save labor, 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,439 understand that what works for someone isn't what necessarily will 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,319 work for you, and so you have to stay experimental. 32 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:41,519 Speaker 1: You know. 33 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:43,519 Speaker 2: One of the best places, and I'm giving away a 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,799 huge secret here, but do it anyway. To find I 35 00:01:47,959 --> 00:01:50,239 actually totally set it on the show before. To find 36 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:52,760 garden tools is a state sales and you're going to 37 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:55,560 find all sorts of crazy old tools of all different 38 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,560 configurations and much you would get, you know, at your 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,439 regular hardware store now. And if you see see something 40 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:02,280 that looks interesting to you, you might as well pick 41 00:02:02,319 --> 00:02:05,280 it up for you know, two or three dollars and 42 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:07,920 it might just be your next great garden tools. 43 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: Wow, two birds with one stone, labor saving and cheap. 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta love that. 45 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: I love that I can buy it, you know, talking 46 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:18,080 about labor savings, I guess falls a great time to 47 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,360 do that too, because I'm a huge proponent of fall 48 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,719 is for planting. I think it's one of the best 49 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,800 year times of the year to put plants in the 50 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,520 ground because plants are going to focus on root establishment, 51 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,599 not on top growth. But when it comes to weeds 52 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,800 and weed control and identifying both perennial and annual weeds 53 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,719 and controlling them now so that they don't become a 54 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:44,159 problem in spring. I think fall is one of the 55 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,840 best labor saving periods of the year to deal with 56 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,280 weed issues my opinion. 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right, it does provide a lot of 58 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:57,400 opportunity for that. And you know, when we're talking about weeds, 59 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:02,039 one of my labor saving tips for the garden is 60 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:05,080 just a plant really close together so the weeds can't grow. 61 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: I love that it looks great. 62 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: I mean, I personally prefer the look. You know, some 63 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,240 people they don't like their plants to touch. I don't 64 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,560 get that. I mean, I understand that there are people 65 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:15,680 out there like that, and I've certainly heard from them, 66 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,840 and they look at that spacing and then they're just 67 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:19,800 gonna go ahead and add like another foot. Because plants 68 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,319 should never touch. They should all have a tidy little border. 69 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,840 I am the opposite. I want everything to be knitted together. 70 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:30,919 I want just an uninterrupted plant panorama. So you know, 71 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,080 when you plant that close together, one of the benefits 72 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,080 is that they shade out the weeds or you just 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,000 don't notice them because they're covered by the plants, which 74 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:39,080 is also okay with me. 75 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:41,319 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. One of our most 76 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,560 popular shows in the past year was the show on 77 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:49,520 layering plants, and it's kind of along that concept. You 78 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:53,400 kind of mimic how nature behaves and you ensure a 79 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:56,120 balance system. And yes, it helps as far as weeds 80 00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:59,360 are concerned. Not everybody has a tree canopy. If you 81 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,960 think layering, maybe tree canopy, then shrubs, and then perennials, groundcovers. 82 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,439 Not everybody has a tree canopy, but you could use 83 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:12,000 your home, your structure as that tree canopy, and then 84 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:16,399 of course apply the shrubs, the groundcovers and the perennials. 85 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,680 You could do that. Quick connects on my hoses is 86 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,839 a labors. I love quick I'm not a fan pop 87 00:04:23,879 --> 00:04:24,879 on pop up Why not? 88 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,439 Speaker 2: They just never seem to work. I mean, well, that 89 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,839 would be a good ri This goes back to my 90 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:33,399 landscaping days when I was in college, so I am 91 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:36,759 going back quite a few years. But it seemed like, 92 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,360 you know, we like some hoses, would have them, and 93 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:41,319 then you couldn't get things to connect. You didn't have 94 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:43,639 the right parts. Now, if it's just your house and 95 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,160 even invested in quick connects, it might work. But I 96 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,639 have a pretty small yard, so I just have one 97 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:51,319 hose cart for my entire yard, so I don't really 98 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,040 need it. I have one hose hooked up. I can 99 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,800 go around my entire house with it. It's on a cart. 100 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,680 Now that's my labor saving device. We've talked many times 101 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,959 how we dislike watering. It is our least favorite gard 102 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:04,199 hoses because of the hoses. And this this little hose 103 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:05,879 cart that I have, so it's not one that like 104 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,519 connects to the house. It's on wheels, four wheels. You 105 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,199 can wheel it all around. Love that thing. 106 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:15,199 Speaker 1: Nice? Nice. Well, I'm the king, I'm the cannon King 107 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:17,360 and the king of quick connects. 108 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: All right, good to know. 109 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: There you have it. As a matter of fact, I'm 110 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,959 glad you brought that up because I prepared a labor 111 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,240 labor saving limb a rick for you today. Here it is. 112 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:34,639 I was watching my next door neighbor hacking weeds and 113 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,959 brush with a saber. I thought that looks sweaty and 114 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,560 not to be petty, but I'm not into that kind 115 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,600 of labor. I'm getting attention, headache. I just stepped on 116 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:48,720 my garden rake. Things aren't going well, so I'll sip 117 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:54,279 some Zinfidel and take the hydration break. I took a shot. 118 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,519 Speaker 2: You know, it's I think we're gonna, you know, give 119 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,519 all these is about labor saving, but I think one 120 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:06,959 of the really important aspects is to decide for yourself, 121 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,120 like what you're going to do, what's worth your time. 122 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:11,720 And it goes back to our conversation last week with 123 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:14,879 Debor Napke, where it's just like, you know, you are 124 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,279 the one in charge of your garden, and some tolerance 125 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,519 for things maybe not being you know, like our archetype 126 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,959 of a nineteen fifties household with the AstroTurf lawn and 127 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,959 everything edged and everything trimmed. If you like that, look 128 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,680 go for it. Know that it is going to be 129 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,519 a lot of work, but know that that is not 130 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,639 the only way in my garden. You know, people will 131 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,399 see it, say, oh so many plants. This must be 132 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:41,279 so much work. And honestly, the only place I work 133 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,399 in my garden in summer is a vegetable garden. Yeah, no, 134 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,120 I agree, and even that not that much. 135 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah. And of course for us as humans 136 00:06:51,639 --> 00:06:54,399 as opposed to plants, of course, everybody's looking for the 137 00:06:54,439 --> 00:06:58,680 next great thing, the next pill to take or supplement 138 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,079 or whatever it may be, herbal supplement. But as far 139 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,319 as the landscape is concerned, I think two labor savers, 140 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,920 in my opinion, are the fertilizer prills that feed for 141 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,879 three or four months. Proven Winners has one osma code 142 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,160 is another one that you may recognize. I love those 143 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:23,519 continuous release fertilizers. And then also I wondered if you, 144 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:27,560 because both of us struggle with deer stacy, I wondered 145 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,800 if you've had any experience or heard anything on the 146 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:38,360 systemic repellent so systemic granular repellents where the actual repellent 147 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,040 becomes part of the plant so interesting. 148 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:45,839 Speaker 2: No, I have not, And I'm thinking, you know, is 149 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:47,160 this something I would try? 150 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? 151 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,519 Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, normally my garden is at a point 152 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,360 right now where the deer, everything that the deer would 153 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:56,800 really eat is gone, like they've already destroyed it. I 154 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:58,600 had to replace it with something else. It's grown in. 155 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,480 I'm done. But this year I think when I were 156 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,920 talking to Laura Roblos a few years a few weeks ago, 157 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,079 I talked about how the deer have really done a 158 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,600 number on some of my semmarific high business, not all 159 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:11,639 of them. So you know, I miss those things in flower. 160 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:14,120 I would consider it in that particular batch. 161 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: I gave a speech a few weeks ago and there 162 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:18,839 was a lady in the back during the question and 163 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:23,079 answer period who just went off on systemic deer repellence 164 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,639 and completely sold on them. So I'm like, well, maybe 165 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,199 maybe that's something I'm going to get into. I believe 166 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,679 part of also labor savings, especially as we get into fall, 167 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:41,919 is that Lasagna garden passive compost kind of approach. I 168 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:45,759 used to put newsprint down on grassy areas and then 169 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,799 leaves on top of that, soil on top of that, 170 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,679 let it cook all winter long. We have a picture 171 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:55,960 for you at our website and that and then the 172 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,840 following spring I tilled it up, and boy I had 173 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,120 a great planting bed or I didn't have to dig 174 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,639 up the turf, the weeds, the soil, that sort of thing. 175 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,039 I smothered them with the lasagna concept. To me, that's 176 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,799 a that's a labor Yeah. 177 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, good luck finding newsprints. 178 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,879 Speaker 1: Say the point so you use cardboard. 179 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:17,519 Speaker 2: Now untreated cardboard, and that is there was recently a 180 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:19,000 study that talked about how there was a bunch of 181 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,600 chemicals coming out in cardboard and discouraging people from using it. 182 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,039 But you know, I have always also struggled with making 183 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,720 gardening beds. I love to have a lot of beds, 184 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:31,840 but yeah, making them, you know, is a disposal issue. 185 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:34,960 It's a lot of work. So honestly I've said this before, 186 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,000 but having a company come and remove my lawn with 187 00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:41,320 sod cutters best thing I ever done. Love it, So 188 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,879 don't be afraid to rent a sod cutter or have 189 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,000 someone come out. It was much less than I thought, 190 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:49,600 and I came home to no grass. It was lovely. 191 00:09:49,759 --> 00:09:53,399 Speaker 1: Wow, and certainly labor say, very labor safe. And I 192 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,120 have no grass left either. But I took the I 193 00:09:56,159 --> 00:10:00,279 took the I took the long way around. Exactly quick 194 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,840 labor saver, take a rake and stir the mulch in 195 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:08,000 your landscape. Mulch can become hydrophobic as far as watering 196 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:11,559 plants are concerned stirring the mulch. So there are many 197 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,600 different ways to save labor make things a little easier 198 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,720 on yourself. I'm going to be interested to see how 199 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:23,480 Stacey ties that in in plants on trial, and that's 200 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:29,159 coming up next here on the Gardening Simplified Show. 201 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs cares about your success in 202 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:37,360 the garden. That's why we trial and test all of 203 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,960 our shrubs for eight to ten years, making sure they 204 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,679 outperform everything else on the market. Look for them in 205 00:10:42,759 --> 00:10:47,919 the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greeting's 206 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,399 gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, 207 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:56,559 where we are talking about saving labor and honestly, shrubs 208 00:10:56,759 --> 00:11:00,240 in general our labor savers. I have heard from countless 209 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,200 gardeners over the years who have said, you know, I'm 210 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,759 getting old or had an injury and I'm switching my 211 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,360 garden to shrubs and bulbs. And if you want a 212 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:14,039 garden that provides a lot of visual impact without a 213 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,799 lot of work, especially repeatedly through the year, I don't 214 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:20,919 think you can do much better. I mean shrump's really, 215 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,879 you know, once you get them established, they don't need 216 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,519 hardly anything. And it always amazes me, you know when 217 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:30,720 people talk about gardening being work, and it's like, do 218 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:34,360 you have a lawn, because that lawn is work, and 219 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,240 all you're doing that work for is just to get 220 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,720 it to like a status quo. And you have to 221 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:40,600 keep repeating that, you know, you water it, God forbid, 222 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,159 you gotta water it. You got to mow it once 223 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:43,440 or twice a week sometimes. 224 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I put in a swath of dear villa. 225 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:48,399 Oh nice, Qodiac orange? 226 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: Is it yep? 227 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,279 Speaker 1: Drought resistant? Easy? Like you said, labor saving. So I'm 228 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:54,440 gonna guess that's your plant. 229 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: It is not. That one is not my plant today. 230 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,200 Plants on trial is an ode to big shrubs. 231 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,039 Speaker 1: Oh awesome. 232 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: And you know big shrubs, I have to confess. Our 233 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:10,799 new plant development team generally shies away from big shrubs. 234 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,879 They they are looking more for compact shrubs, which makes 235 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:17,840 sense because especially newer homes, they tend to have much 236 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,279 smaller yards and much smaller beds, and so there is 237 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,200 a place for small plants and in small shrubs. And 238 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,279 in a way they also have a lot of labor 239 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:28,320 saving because they're going to stay nice and compact, and 240 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,399 you won't have to worry about trimming them or make 241 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,000 worrying about them, you know, out growing their space and 242 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:35,799 growing over your dining, your windows, all of that kind 243 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,000 of stuff. But I am a huge fan of big shrubs. 244 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,240 Now I am not gonna wrap. I like big shrubs 245 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,600 and they cannot lie. But you know, I really want 246 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:49,919 to make the case for big shrubs because a big shrub, 247 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,960 and by big, I mean like at least six feet 248 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,480 tall and wide and very often much bigger than that 249 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,919 properly spaced from you know, all its surrounding, it's neighboring plants, 250 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,840 your home, your property line, whatever the thing surrounding it 251 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:08,480 is properly spaced. A big shrub is going to take 252 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,960 up so much space, and it is going to transform 253 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,879 whatever space it has from a high maintenance space to 254 00:13:17,919 --> 00:13:19,600 a low maintenance space because you will not have to 255 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,320 do anything. So I combed through our plants. We have 256 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:26,399 a pretty good amount still of large shrubs. But the 257 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,799 one that we're highlighting today is today's plants on trial 258 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,279 is red Balloon Viburnum. 259 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,519 Speaker 1: Great choice, you get a great return on investment. 260 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: You really do. So this is a large plant, six 261 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:42,000 to eight feet tall and wide. So if we look 262 00:13:42,039 --> 00:13:45,200 at what I was just saying, as you know, when 263 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,759 you pick a large shrub, and again, proper sighting is 264 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,759 this is important for all maintenance really in the garden, 265 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:52,519 because if you don't cite something properly, whether that's spacing 266 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:55,240 or growing conditions, no, it won't be low maintenance because 267 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,120 you'll be working your buns off to try to get it, 268 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,480 you know, happy, and you won't be able to properly 269 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,120 spaced of red balloon viburnum. It's six to eight feet 270 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,519 tall and wide, is going to take up roughly sixty 271 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:10,639 four square feet of ground space. WHOA, so you can 272 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,960 take so it's eight by eight sixty four. Yeah, so 273 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,480 you can take sixty four square feet of your lawn 274 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,600 and transform it from an area that you have to 275 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,519 mow and maintain to a beautiful flowering shrub. And you know, 276 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:30,000 we have again a number of very large shrubs in 277 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,679 the line. But I picked red balloon because it's a 278 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,919 great plant for multi season interest. 279 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: I love viburnums in general, I mean spring, summer, fall interest. 280 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:44,039 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, So this is a hybrid viburnum. It is 281 00:14:44,279 --> 00:14:49,360 known the common name is a lantana phylum Viburnum. H. 282 00:14:49,399 --> 00:14:52,799 Speaker 1: So let's get to the botanical name. Yes, because you 283 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,799 know my method with Latin names. I just say I'm 284 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,519 real fast and pretend I know what I'm doing. But 285 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,840 the reality is it rolls off f your tongue. So 286 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:06,200 the botanical name is ripped to diffiloides. 287 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: Right, for this is going to become a lot easier 288 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,399 once we break it down. Okay, So, like I said, 289 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,840 it is a hybrid viburnum. It's a hybrid of the 290 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,759 what's known as the wayfaring tree, which is a lovely 291 00:15:17,799 --> 00:15:22,360 poetic common name Viburnum lantana. And you know, I was 292 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,320 thinking about that, and nowadays, if you say lantana in 293 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,320 the context of a garden, people are thinking of a 294 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:30,360 lantana plant which has those nice colorful flowers, look like 295 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:34,720 little chicklets in the middle, really different colors, terrible smell. 296 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:38,639 I don't personally care for the smell. But lantana was 297 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:43,399 actually the Latin term for viburnum. So this is one 298 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,759 of those really confusing situations where the species one of 299 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:50,279 the species of the parents of red bulloon. Viburnum is 300 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:54,480 Viburnum lantana, but the plant that we call antana nowadays 301 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:57,080 is not a viburnum. It is opposite leaf. So I 302 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,679 could see you know where the confusion might arise, and 303 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,519 that is known as lantana in and of itself. So 304 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,120 one of those just really confusing botanical nomenclature kind of thing. 305 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,840 So hybrid between Viburnum lantana and Viburnum right titiphylum, so 306 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:15,399 you know, viburnum rititaphylum. You wouldn't mispronounce that because that 307 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:19,919 is leatherleaf. Viburnum, Yes, a very popular landscape plant, and 308 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,360 I'm sure you sold lots of them in your career. 309 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:28,000 So you combine right to a phylum with lanana and 310 00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:32,879 then you have right ta filoides. Wow, something like that. 311 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,159 Speaker 1: I'm glad you did the heavy lifting there, Thank you 312 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:37,799 very much. 313 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so Viburnum right to aphylum is leatherly fiburnum. 314 00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:44,919 This is just I mean, it's such a great plant 315 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,279 for year round interest. It has ever semi evergreen foliage. 316 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:51,480 They're big, they're elegant. I always think of them as 317 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:55,279 kind of giving, like a really beautiful woodland look to 318 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:59,559 a property. So basically, Red Balloon combines the best features 319 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:02,360 of both of them plants. So in spring you are going 320 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,319 to have these big clusters of white flowers. Now, I 321 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,559 do want to warn you on these viburnum flowers. They 322 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,359 are not one of the viburnums that smell good. Quite 323 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,440 the opposite. They are a little bit animally smelling. But 324 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:22,440 it's worth sticking through that. Planting it downwind of your bedroom, 325 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,039 for example. 326 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: And does that make a deer resistant. 327 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: I mean, viburnums in general are somewhat deer resistant. There's 328 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:35,039 you'll find a pretty wide range of resistance. And I 329 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,279 am telling you speaking from experience here what happens to 330 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,160 most I don't have Red Balloon in my yard, but 331 00:17:40,839 --> 00:17:43,519 what happens to most of the viburnums that I grow 332 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:47,000 is that the deer love the flowers. Yes, they mostly 333 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:49,960 leave the plant alone, but they love the flowers. Now, 334 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,079 I would think that this particular viburnum is probably not 335 00:17:53,359 --> 00:18:00,400 high on a deer pelatability list pelletability list because the folio, 336 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:03,680 the stems and foliage are quite flucked. They have like 337 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,319 a kind of hairy and that's comes through the leather 338 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,680 leaf parentage, so most likely pretty good dear resistance. So 339 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:14,720 you got those flowers in late spring and those are 340 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:18,680 without a pollinator, no pollinator required, going to develop into 341 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:21,240 red and black fruits in late summer and fall, and 342 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,799 then that will persist through winter. And if you live 343 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,680 in a mild climate, so red balloon and viburnum is 344 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:30,319 hardy down to USDA Zone four heat tolerant through zone eight. 345 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,519 If you live probably in like zone five or warmer, 346 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:36,440 it's less likely in zone four it will be semi evergreen. 347 00:18:36,519 --> 00:18:39,160 So that's again going back to that leather leaf parentage, 348 00:18:39,559 --> 00:18:43,640 so you'll have some leaves sticking around. So as Rick said, 349 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,200 you're getting that you know, coverage and interest and color 350 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:50,559 all the way from you know spring, all the way 351 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,880 to the following spring, and again transforming these areas of 352 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,559 your yard into something that was high maintenance into something 353 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:01,839 that was low maintenance, and I think that just makes 354 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,880 a huge, huge difference. They also outcompete weeds, so we 355 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,640 were talking about spacing out competing weeds, but a shrub 356 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,319 because they are branched to the ground, typically providing a 357 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:17,240 lot of shade in the interior there, so that weeds 358 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:20,319 can't grow. They're not going to grow, and you won't 359 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,880 see them even if they do. Another great benefit. And yeah, 360 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,079 so that makes it really simple too. And again they're 361 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,880 just easy and trees are also very low maintenance. But trees, 362 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,799 of course, you have to wait a lot longer for 363 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,880 them to do their thing. Sometimes that can be a 364 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,279 big commitment that we're maybe not ready to make, or 365 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:41,119 we're worried about the height that they will eventually maintain, 366 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:43,640 you know, causing issues for our house or a neighbor's 367 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,039 house or something like that. So yeah, overall, it's a 368 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:50,000 win win. People might say look at a shrub like 369 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:51,960 this and say, whoa, that's too big, But when you 370 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:55,319 really start thinking about what this means in your yard, 371 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,519 I think it really transforms your perspective. 372 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, and along the lines of labor saving, boy, it 373 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,440 takes a lot of labor to move, to have to 374 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:07,720 pack and move out of your house. And if you 375 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:10,759 have a neighbor that you're really not keen about it, 376 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,119 this plant would make great screening. 377 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good great screen just make them go 378 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,400 away behind the viburnum. Yeah, so it's great as a specimen. 379 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,319 So when I'm talking about that eight by eight square 380 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,000 eight by sixty four square feet that it is taking up. 381 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:28,039 That would be if you just planted a single one. 382 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,200 But if you have the room and you're looking for 383 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,640 a hedge, and particularly if you're looking for a hedge 384 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:34,920 and you have a deer issue and arbivid's out of 385 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,880 the question, this is a great choice. It's not going 386 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,200 to be quite as fast growing, but it's going to 387 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,039 provide that coverage and be much more interesting too than 388 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,880 you know what everybody and their brother has planted in 389 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:49,680 their yard. And the other thing finally is that, as 390 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:53,920 with most flowering shrubs that flower and fruit, it makes 391 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,240 pruning almost impossible because if you prune it after it blooms, 392 00:20:57,279 --> 00:20:59,319 it blooms on old wood, you'll be taking off the 393 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,680 possibility for fruit to form. If you prune it in fall, 394 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:04,559 after the fruit is formed, you'll be taking off the 395 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:07,720 flower buds. So no pruning required. And again, as long 396 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:09,880 as you're spacing it properly, you won't even have to 397 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,880 prune it. This plan is just going to sit around 398 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,359 and look gorgeous and take high maintenance areas and transform 399 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,079 them into low maintenance. So take a look at red 400 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:22,000 balloon viburnum on our website Gardening Simplified on Air dot com, 401 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,960 and you can decide if it's going to earn a 402 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:26,880 spot in your garden. We're gonna take a little break. 403 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,839 When we come back, we're opening up the garden mail bag, 404 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:37,960 so please stay tuned. At proven Winner's Color Choice, We've 405 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,200 got a shrub for every taste and every space. Whether 406 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,799 you're looking for an easy care rose and unforgettable hydrangea 407 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,279 or something new and unique, you can be confident that 408 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,599 the shrubs and the white containers have been trialed and 409 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,519 tested for your success. Look for them at your local 410 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:57,680 garden center. Greeting's Gardening friends, and welcome back to the 411 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,200 Gardening Simplified Show, where it's time for us to So 412 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,599 you're burning gardening questions, Maybe they're not burning, Maybe they're 413 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,599 just little curiosities you have. I mean, we can tell 414 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,599 you as much as anyone else that when you're out 415 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:10,680 in the garden, all sorts of crazy things can happen 416 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,079 and you wonder what's going on, and if so, we're 417 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:14,920 here for you. You can reach us at help HLP 418 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:17,119 at Gardening Simplified on Air dot com, or just go 419 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,279 to Gardening simplified on air dot com and send us 420 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:22,079 a message there. You can also leave a comment on 421 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,599 YouTube if you are a YouTube viewer, and Adriana will 422 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,279 let us know she needs some help answer your question. 423 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,440 We'll get back to you there as well. And this 424 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:32,519 first question, I'm glad that it came up because it 425 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:35,440 is one that I have heard many times in my 426 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:37,599 years here at proven Winner's Color. 427 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: Choice, Jessica writes to us, I have a reoccurring issue 428 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,599 with my approximately ten year old blacklace elderberry. Every year 429 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,799 it starts getting droopy leaves and branches. I cut it 430 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:52,599 back and the branches have holes down the center like 431 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,920 there's a bor present. However, I never find a bore 432 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,440 despite cutting back to intact growth. Any thoughts, I ideas 433 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:06,480 or a suggestion, So, Jessica, is zone six B Southwest Ohio, Yes. 434 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,559 Speaker 2: Where elderberry grows native. In fact, elderberry grows native throughout 435 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,200 a great deal of the US. We have a lot 436 00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:16,920 of native elderberry, both our native red elderberry and our 437 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,279 regular summer elderberry Sambucus canadensis. And since we do have 438 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,079 so much native elderberry growing around here in the US 439 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:30,000 and Canada, we have a native borer that finds the 440 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:34,000 European varieties like black lace just as appealing as they 441 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,640 find are native varieties, because actually the European variety Sambucus 442 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,119 nigra is by some taxon mis considered to be a 443 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:45,839 subspecies of Sambucus canadensis, so they're very very closely related. 444 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,599 Now the elderberry bor, there are actually two different elder borers. 445 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,400 One is a moth and one is a wasp. Whichever 446 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,720 one you have, it doesn't really matter all that much 447 00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:58,640 because the treatment, if you want to treat them, is 448 00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,960 the same. And the first thing I want to say though, 449 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,640 is that it's not necessary to treat them. I know, 450 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:06,359 especially on a big, beautiful, mature black lace like you 451 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,359 have here, Jessica, it can be very alarming to see 452 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,039 all of a sudden those parts of foliage start wilting 453 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:14,480 all over. But this is a plant that gets big. 454 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:16,759 So speaking of big shrubs, this was actually a second 455 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:20,559 place contender for today's Plants on Trial because it is 456 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:23,440 also big. It can I mean, I have seen black 457 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,279 lace get to be easily ten by ten. Elderberry is 458 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:30,160 a big shrub, so they can easily withstand some of 459 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,960 this damage. It looks very dramatic, but it's actually not 460 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:35,960 that bad for the plant. And the reason, Jessica, that 461 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,200 you're not finding the actual borders themselves is because by 462 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,160 the time you are seeing that wilting in the branch, 463 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,640 it's because the boer has left the building the elderberry 464 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,359 as it were. So basically what happens is the adults 465 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,319 will lay eggs in the plant, probably sometime in the 466 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,119 next month or so, and then those will hatch out. 467 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,720 The borers will feed in the plant. Feeding in the 468 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,079 plant isn't really that much of a problem, but come 469 00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:07,880 next June, when they have pupaid it and are ready 470 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,160 to emerge, then they're going to chew a little hole 471 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,759 to get out of the stem, free themselves from inside 472 00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:18,359 the stem, and that's what causes that wilting. So the 473 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:23,680 thing is that the borers cannot live in wood that 474 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:27,759 is two years old or younger because the stem diameter 475 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,160 is not large enough to accommodate their squishy bodies. And 476 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:36,559 so one thing that you can do is to simply 477 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,720 cut the plant back every year or every other year. 478 00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:41,839 If you cut it back every year, the plant will 479 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,000 stay smaller. You'll have a lot of beautiful foliage, but 480 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:47,119 it won't flower. If you take the every other year approach, 481 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:53,319 then you will have flowers every other year, and that 482 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,480 will actually make sure that all of the growth on 483 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:58,720 the plant stays young enough that the borers can never 484 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,240 take up residence in it. Now, of course, you have 485 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,920 a ten year old plant. I don't necessarily think that 486 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,119 it is practical for you to think about cutting this 487 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,759 whole thing back to the ground. If you're willing to 488 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:10,960 do that, it will certainly recover. If you do decide 489 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,680 to cut back an elderberry for this reason or any reason, 490 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,880 the best time to do that is in spring. If 491 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,759 you cut it back basically anytime from June through November, 492 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,799 it's very very slow to recover. So you should not 493 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,640 prune elderberries in any severe way after spring. But overall, 494 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,799 even though it's a little bit disappointing and a little 495 00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:35,440 bit alarming, it's not a cause for concern. Their populations 496 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,559 stay very small and controlled, and you don't necessarily need 497 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,079 to manage it. And if you want toup put some 498 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,680 resources in the show notes at Gardening Simplified on air 499 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,680 dot com. But overall, you know, most universities when they're 500 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,599 talking about the elderbors in terms. Unless you're growing elderberry 501 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,359 for commercial production of the fruit, they say, just tolerate it, 502 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:56,839 just live with. 503 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: It, and it acts or has an effect on the 504 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,720 planet similar to a squash vine bore yea and squash 505 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:05,039 and causing that wilting. 506 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's much more detrimental in a squash from 507 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,880 you'll lose your entire zucchini in that case, whereas with 508 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,759 especially a very mature black lace, it's again it's it's 509 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,640 not a problem. You can just prune those little wilted 510 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,079 branches out and uh then call it a day. 511 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: Elaine writes to us. Last year, I transplanted two rhubarb 512 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,519 plants from a shady spot into my sunny, fenced in garden. 513 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,839 They were growing beautifully up until the last two weeks. 514 00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:35,720 One of the plants started to turn yellow, and now 515 00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,599 many of the leaves are turning brown, and the second 516 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,440 plant is also starting to turn yellow. Any ideas what's 517 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,240 happening and how to prevent this from happening again next year? 518 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,119 And this is uh, this is a pretty common problem 519 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,240 that we see Stacey with the with rhubarb from time 520 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:53,640 to time. 521 00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have I grow rhubarb, which is to say, 522 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,200 I have some rhubarb in my garden that struggles because 523 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,160 I don't water it enough. So I knew instantly when 524 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,039 I saw Elaine's photos of her big, beautiful robust rubarb, 525 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,599 watering was not the issue. So mine stay very small 526 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,119 because I don't water them. But yeah, this is a 527 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,880 leaf spot. It is known as rhubarb leaf spot or 528 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,039 asko kaita leaf spot. And you know, when it comes 529 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,200 to leaf spots with plants, I often tell people it 530 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,319 doesn't matter all that much what the exact leaf spot 531 00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:31,440 you have is, because the way you deal with them 532 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,200 is always the same. If you don't want to use pesticides, 533 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,640 very simple solution. Of course, you don't want to use 534 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,480 pesticides on your rhubarb, very simple solution. When the foliage 535 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:42,960 dies back, and I think you can go ahead and 536 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,240 take the foliage it's very yellow now, and just cut that. 537 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,799 Make sure that you gather that all up and throw 538 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:51,720 it away in the garbage. Don't compost it, because what 539 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,240 happens is those fungal leaf spots. So think about a mushroom. 540 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,079 A mushroom grows opens its skills, those spores come out 541 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,559 and those make mush in the future. Well, even though 542 00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,839 a leaf spot is not exactly like a mushroom, those 543 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,039 fruiting bodies, so which you're actually seeing when you see 544 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:10,079 the leaf spot, is the fungus itself having you know, 545 00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:14,680 as a fruiting body. If you leave those under the plant, 546 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,839 all winter spring is going to come, the roobarb is 547 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:20,039 going to start to grow. Sure, that foliage is going 548 00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,400 to be so soft, so tender, it's not going to 549 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,720 have a waxy cuticle yet, and those conditions are going 550 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,720 to be right for those sports just come right back 551 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:30,200 up onto the plant. Now, that doesn't always happen if 552 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,960 we have a dryer spring, or there's other factors that 553 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,359 maybe aren't as ideal for the fungus to grow, But 554 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:39,640 simply taking care of all of that foliage and discarding 555 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,599 it will make a huge, huge difference. 556 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,359 Speaker 1: The foliage is so pretty on rubierb. And in the 557 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,279 seventeenth century in England, when they decided, hey, let's eat 558 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:53,400 this plant, they made the mistake of eating the full 559 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:59,000 left first idea has the oxalic acid or whatever in it, 560 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,640 and people got very, very sick, and so it kind 561 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,000 of set back that plant about a century or so 562 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,039 until somebody came up with a great idea, let's use 563 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,799 the stalks and make pies out of rhubarb, and then 564 00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:14,519 the plant regained its popular popularity. The plant, of course, 565 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:17,559 also can suffer from crown rot, so you want to 566 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:20,240 make sure. This is a classic example of one of 567 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,279 those plants where you want good humus in the soil, 568 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:28,440 good organic material, maybe side dressing with some manure, but 569 00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,559 it's got to have good drainage too, or you run 570 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:31,279 into problems. 571 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,359 Speaker 2: And enough water or you will also run into problems, 572 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,720 as I can tell you because I have never gotten 573 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,440 a harvest off my roobarb. The poor thing just limps 574 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,079 along all season long, looking very sad. But that advice 575 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:43,319 that we gave to Elane that will work for any 576 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:45,119 plant that you have that has leaf spot. Just do 577 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,079 your best to get it out of there and that 578 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,160 will help a great deal and. 579 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: Real quickly, Angie wrote to us, I just picked up 580 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,880 seven Brandon cedars arbor Viti to create a hedge in 581 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,000 our zone three yard, Alberta, Canada. Yes, it was a 582 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:01,400 great deal, so I jump on buying them before doing 583 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,400 much research. How can I ensure I'm successful and keep 584 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,759 them growing happy for years to come. 585 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: So overall, arborvid are very easy to grow. They're very amenable. 586 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,920 In fact, they're probably native to Alberta, so don't have 587 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,359 to do a whole lot to keep them happy. I 588 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,319 would say average moisture, good drainage is important. They can 589 00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:22,799 take short periods of wet soil, but you want them 590 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,079 to grow in the illustrious, moist yet well drained soil. 591 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,119 Mulch is super crucial because they do have very shallow, 592 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,759 fibrous roots, so mult will really help keep those roots 593 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,200 insulated in the winter and cool and growing well in 594 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,920 the summer, which is key to establishment and healthy growth. 595 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:43,920 And you know, probably the only issue that you're going 596 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,640 to have to worry about is potentially, I don't know 597 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,319 how bad the bagworm situation is up in Alberta, but 598 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,799 certainly down here in the US, especially in more urban areas, 599 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,880 the bagworms can be a huge problem and completely disfigure 600 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,160 the plant. So you're just going to want to, you know, 601 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,160 do some research. I can post some links in the 602 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,880 show notes on what to look for for bagworms, and 603 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,440 they're pretty easy to manage, but you just don't want 604 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880 to let the they if they are there, let them 605 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,680 get away from you, because then they will really proliferate 606 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,119 and become very difficult to manage without chemicals. 607 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: In such a beautiful area Alberta, Canada. 608 00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:19,279 Speaker 2: That's where my grandmother was born. 609 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Wonderful. Yeah, I've been there a few times. What a 610 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:23,359 gorgeous yes. 611 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:25,599 Speaker 2: So anyway, thank you all so much for your questions. 612 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,759 If you have a question, you can reach us at 613 00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,160 Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. We need to take a 614 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,720 little break and when we come back, we're going to 615 00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:40,079 be talking fall planting, so please stay tuned. The Gardening 616 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,000 Simplified Show is brought to you by proven Winners Color 617 00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:46,839 Choice Shrubs. Our award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens have 618 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,200 been trialed and tested for your success so you enjoy 619 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:53,440 more beauty and less work. Look for Proven Winners Colored 620 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,359 Choice Shrubs in the distinctive white container at your local 621 00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:57,000 garden center. 622 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,279 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Yardening Simplified Show and our labor 623 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,759 saving show. And what better thing to talk about in 624 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,880 the final segment than fall is for planting? Because I 625 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,839 have to be honest with you, Stacy, this is one 626 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,400 of my favorite topics. Maybe it's because for years I 627 00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:23,359 was a garden center owner operator, and you were trying 628 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,759 to generate some business during the fall period. You know, 629 00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:30,079 in spring, the business comes at you hot and heavy, 630 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:35,039 and it's a crazy time in fall. You know, both 631 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:39,880 you and I aren't the biggest fans of mums. Let's say, 632 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,400 am I correct in sack? Okay? But there are many 633 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,559 many alternatives that can be used to mums. But the 634 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,680 reality is that fall is a fabulous time of the 635 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:55,119 year to establish plants. Because the temperatures cool down, the 636 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,559 plant does not focus on top growth. Roots establish, and 637 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,759 even here in Michigan, Stacy, I believe that we get 638 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,960 root establishment well into November May. I even dare say December, 639 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,679 as the air temperature's plummet, the roots still have an 640 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,800 opportunity to grow. 641 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if the temperature is in the is 642 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,480 fifty or over, root growth will continue. And so there 643 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,199 is about, as I recall, don't quote me on this, 644 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,119 I think a three hour leg between air temperature and 645 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,440 soil temperature. So even if you have, you know, a 646 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,119 day where it's in the fifties for a short period 647 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,000 in sunny you're still going to have root growth. You know, 648 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,440 during that day and you know, a lot of people 649 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,280 will ask me they planted something, they're not happy with 650 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,280 how it's doing. Why isn't it flowering, Why isn't it growing? 651 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,480 I said, it is growing. It's just that the growth 652 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,719 is underground. Because when you plant something, whether you plant 653 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,719 it and fallow your planet in spring or summer, whatever, 654 00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:55,840 what a planet is going to do is say, well, shoot, 655 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,719 I got to put roots down because roots are what 656 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,880 is going to get me through anything that is going 657 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,719 to come my way. I can't deal with any challenges 658 00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,079 unless I have a good root system. And as we've 659 00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:10,519 said before, a plant's roots grow directly determine how much 660 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:12,000 a plant is going to grow on top. This is 661 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,039 why we have bone side plants because if you restrict 662 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,679 the root room, you restrict the top growth. And similarly, 663 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,440 if the root growth starts to develop, it is then 664 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,519 able to respond with an equal amount of top growth. Now, 665 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,599 if you do that in spring, the plant is sitting 666 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:26,239 there going whoa, I got to put on root growth. 667 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,960 I also have to put on top growth because it's 668 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,559 spring and I'm growing, and the days are lengthening and 669 00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:33,039 it's warm, and you know, and it has to spread 670 00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:37,800 its energies over many more functions, whereas in fall it 671 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,199 really can put all of its energies into root growth 672 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,480 because it's still photosynthesizing with all of those nice sunny 673 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,920 fall days, taking all that energy storing it and it 674 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,519 doesn't have to worry about supporting all that flowers and 675 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,559 foliage and all of that other stuff through the coming months. 676 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,239 It's like, Hey, I'm an easy street, I'm just growing roots. 677 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. And you know, we've talked about 678 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,239 in the past that in urban settings, we go out 679 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,400 there in the fall and we're leaf blowing and bagging 680 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,920 and we're cleaning everything up, whereas in woodland areas, the 681 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,119 trees are benefiting from the leaves and the debris that 682 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,079 falls off of trees. I've always said that money grows 683 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,800 on trees. The leaves have nutrient value, they have organic 684 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,199 tilt value, and so something that I was taught years 685 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,920 ago and I've done it every year, Stacey, and that 686 00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,119 is I have a number of arborist friends and my 687 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,719 son is also an arborist, and they are big proponents 688 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:43,239 of fertilizing shade trees and larger trees. In mid to 689 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,199 late October in the north as the leaves are falling 690 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,519 off the trees, fertilize the trees, and the tree roots 691 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,920 are able to take in those nutrients. Those nutrients are there, 692 00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,239 and the tree is healthier and off to a better 693 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,480 start next spring. Would you buy into Yeah? 694 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:03,079 Speaker 2: I mean, I think, you know, the key to making 695 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:07,119 a fertilizer available to a plant is weathering. So weathering 696 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,159 can happen through rain and wind and the soil, but 697 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,159 having that extra you know, part of the leaf over 698 00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,960 it that is really going to accelerate that weathering. And 699 00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:18,400 you know, mid to late October is late enough that 700 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,760 you don't have to worry about late season fertilization pushing 701 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,880 any growth because the plant's already well on its way 702 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,639 to dormancy. So yeah, I mean I generally for most people, 703 00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:32,719 for homeowners, in terms of fertilizing shrubs, I do recommend 704 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,840 more like late winter, early spring. But yeah, for trees 705 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,400 that's a totally different situation. 706 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: And if you're a lawn person, you want to have 707 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,360 a nice green lawn, fall is the time of year 708 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,119 to care for it. And I think what I have 709 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,000 seen through the years is if you don't fertilize your 710 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,440 lawn at all, if there's one time of the year 711 00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:53,440 you want to fertilize your lawn, and that is in fall. 712 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,639 You see people make the mistake in spring. They you know, 713 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,800 it's they're excited it's spring. They put a fertilizer down, 714 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,079 and now they're behind the lawnmower every other night after work. 715 00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,960 It falls a great time to apply that fertilizer again 716 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:11,559 for root establishment with turf, and then more importantly, to 717 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,280 identify any weed issues you have, whether it's in your 718 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,800 turf or in your garden or in your landscape, because 719 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,760 many of your winter annual weeds create what we would 720 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,400 call rosettes in the fall, so harry bittercress or henbit. 721 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,320 If you teach yourself what these weeds look like, you 722 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,840 can identify them in fall and they're not going to 723 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,960 become a big problem in spring. And even perennial weeds 724 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,559 like dandelions. Again, if you were to use an herbicide, 725 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,119 it translocates into the root system because the weeds stacey 726 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,079 are doing the same thing the trees are doing, and 727 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,280 that is they're shutting down for winter. And the theory 728 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,880 is you do get good translocation into the root system 729 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,880 as opposed to just top kill right. 730 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,679 Speaker 2: And I think all of this points to a single idea, 731 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,079 and that is, if you go to the garden center 732 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:09,320 infall to buy your moms, to buy your pumpkins, your scarecrow, 733 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,519 what are your cornstocks, whatever it is, don't stop there. 734 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,840 Go into the garden center. Look for the fertilizers. You know, 735 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,239 it's exactly what you said is everybody thinks about it 736 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,599 in spring, but fall is a whole second opportunity and 737 00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:26,360 a lot of us go to the garden center anyway, 738 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,679 whether it's a box store or an independent garden center. 739 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,960 So don't just stop there at the moms. Go in, 740 00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,840 you know, look for shrubs, perennials, trees, look at the 741 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,079 fertilizer selection. There is so much opportunity that people are 742 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,440 missing out on. And you know, we've been talking about 743 00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:46,599 labor throughout the episode today, and you know, I personally 744 00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:51,039 believe and certainly our listeners can tell me if they disagree. 745 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,159 Planting stuff is labor that people don't mind. That is 746 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,599 labor they are happy to do because it's so rewarding, 747 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,559 it's fun. You feel like you're making a long term 748 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,280 investment in yourself, and so why would you miss out 749 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,760 on this? Whole season of you know, beautiful temperatures. Who 750 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,760 doesn't love being outside on a beautiful fall day. You can. 751 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,119 I have the World Series on the radio there and 752 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,079 some hot cider. It's win, win, win. 753 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: And here's the beautiful little secret. Not only do you 754 00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:23,400 get that benefit, and not only is it a great 755 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,800 time to put plants in the ground, perennial, shrubs, trees, 756 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,119 that sort of thing, the odds are you're going to 757 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:31,800 get a bargain. 758 00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:34,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean I wasn't going to go there, 759 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,159 but let's go there. 760 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: I'll go there because having operated a garden center, you know, 761 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,960 I'm out there in September, October, and even November looking 762 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:48,559 for bargains. And you may pick up this plant which 763 00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:52,719 looks very sad, and you feel bad for this plant, 764 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,719 and it looks awful. By next spring, that thing's going 765 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,639 to be gorgeous and it's going to look like you 766 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,679 bought it and it's in all its glory. Yeah, great 767 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:01,960 time of the year to buy plan. 768 00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:04,159 Speaker 2: I mean, let's face it, any garden center owner will 769 00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,840 tell you, especially with shrubs and perennials and trees, if 770 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,800 that stuff doesn't sell, they've got to deal with it. 771 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,519 That means they got to drag it into some you know, 772 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,760 quansit hut or something like that, or cover it. It's 773 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,840 more work for them. And trust me, by the time 774 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,360 fall rolls around, they are done with labor. You think 775 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,400 you're done with labor, and the garden garden center owners 776 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,239 are way done with labor. And so yeah, there are 777 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,000 really good deals to be had. And I think a 778 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,400 lot of people have some hesitation about planting in fall, 779 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,360 But honestly, that really, I feel like, goes back to 780 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,159 the olden days when everything was bald and burlapped and 781 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,840 you didn't dig a lot of stuff in fall. But 782 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,719 now that almost everything in our garden centers is contain 783 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,679 or grown, there is very little that you can't safely 784 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,440 plant in fall. The only exception I'm going to say, 785 00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:52,239 especially for those of us who live in colder climates 786 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,960 a USDA Zone six or colder, avoid planting broad leaf evergreens. Now, 787 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,760 if you get a good deal, you're going to do it. Anyway. 788 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,840 I'm going to do the same thing. But it's not 789 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,239 you know, like boxwood, rhododendrons. Those are the kind of 790 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,039 things that I would say you generally want to shy 791 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,000 away from planting infall, because even though they're going to 792 00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:13,039 have some times to put on roots, they're going to 793 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:14,920 have a lot of challenges because they do have those 794 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,320 broad leaves that they're going to have to withstand sun 795 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,039 and wind and all of those other things through winter 796 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,239 that you know, they aren't going to be able to 797 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:25,079 do if they don't have a good root system. So 798 00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:27,480 those are the only things I would avoid. But even 799 00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:29,320 then I feel like if you do that early enough 800 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,320 in September, it's probably not going to be an issue. 801 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,000 And conifers are not an issue because they are already 802 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,800 adapted to, you know, having lower water needs and with 803 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,440 standing winter. 804 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: So instead, let me throw in a plug for my 805 00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:45,360 Dutch family and friends in the Netherlands. Plant bulbs at least, 806 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,639 especially if you are in a northern or a central 807 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,559 US climate up into Canada, great time of the year 808 00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:56,400 to plant bulbs, tulips, hyacinths, and of course if you 809 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,599 struggle with deer fritile areas, aliums and even Dutch bulb 810 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,119 iris are fantastic and when they pop up in spring 811 00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:06,519 the deer we'll leave them alone. 812 00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 2: And you know what, no one ever regrets planting bulbs. 813 00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:09,800 Doesn't happen. 814 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,199 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Thanks for tuning in 815 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,880 the Gardening Simplified Show. Thanks for making it a habit. 816 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,960 Remember we're on YouTube. We also do a radio show 817 00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:25,679 here and a podcast. It's three and one. Yep, bonus time, 818 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,440 just like fall planting exactly. Thanks Stacy, Thanks Adriana, and 819 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:33,079 thanks to you for your support of our show. Have 820 00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:33,679 a great week.