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Speaker 1: Brand new month and off a weekend that has seen

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Terrence Crawford move up to junior middleweight and not unsurprisingly,

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pull off a decision win over a top difficult to

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hit opponent in Israel, Madramov. We're ready to discuss that

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in the entire card that included an upset win for

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Jose Valezuela, a spectacular knockout loss for Jared Anderson, and

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much more. Welcome in It is the Fight Freaks Unit

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recap podcast. I'm the somewhat capable host, TJ.

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Speaker 2: Reeves.

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Speaker 1: He is our insider. He was on scene in Los Angeles.

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Dan Rayfield Fight Freaks Unit is his substack. Why have

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his newsletter, etc. Dan has returned from the West Coast.

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You are back in the Eastern time zone as we

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do this on Sunday night after a day of travel.

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My friend, It's good to be with you. You and

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I can see each other on the video hookup as

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we do the pod here.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that you're back. You survived Left Coast.

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Speaker 1: I should let the audience know we have tropical Storm

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Peninsula and up into the Panhandle. So we got some

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we got some interesting things going on. You've had cross

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country travel, I've got a tropical storm, but we had

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a very interesting and intriguing fight card to go over.

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Speaker 2: How are things after traveling back?

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Speaker 3: I'm cranky and I'm tired. Let's get the fuck out

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of it.

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Speaker 2: That sums it up.

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Speaker 1: Did mills Lane ever say that on one of the

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pre fight instructions with the f B. I'm not sure

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if he said it exactly like that. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: All right, With that said, by the way, Virgil or

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teas with us coming up.

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Speaker 1: He is back in the ring and he's fighting for

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a title himself at one hundred and fifty four pounds.

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Later this week, you'll hear from Virgil Ortiz right here

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on this podcast with Dan one on one in just

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a little bit. That being said, let's get right into it.

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Terrence Crawford gets the win. You were right there at

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the BMO Stadium, the home of the La Galaxy Soccer

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in Major League Soccer, as he gets a twelve round

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decision win over Israel Madromov. We're gonna go over the

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whole cart. We'll cascade down from the main event. But

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your thoughts says, we do this here, and you've traveled back,

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you've had some time to think about it. You covered

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the postfight press conference on Crawford's when how he looked,

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et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that all the people that were tweeting

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and posting and saying that this was a cherry pick

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and that this guy only had eleven pro fights going

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into this bout and it was an easy win for Crawford,

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they were wrong, and we were the ones, or at

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least I was. Anyway, I remember where your perspective was.

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But I've said from the moment that this fight was

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made that don't let that lack of professional experience fool you.

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Israel Majmov is a legitimate fighter, he's a top quality guy.

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He is a worthy title holder. He was a outstanding amateur,

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did everything basically accept you know, the Olympics, and was

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a real guy, and that he was going to give

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Crawford some problems. Now, I thought that Crawford would finally

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get to him and get him out of there. But

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he's a very strong and sturdy guy. He gave a

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lot more movement than I remember seeing him in other fights,

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and he was a tough nut to crack. In the end,

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Terrence Crawford won the fight. There's a fake controversy which

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I just I'm so sick of that garbage. When you know,

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two guys on the judging panel had it seven rounds

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to five. Happened to be how I also had the

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fight and another judge had eight rounds to four, and

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you just thought that there was like a you know,

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a murder or something. I mean, it was preposterous some

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of the fake outrage. But the bottom line is Terrence

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Crawford was the rightful winner. Isral Majmov fought a good

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fight basically in the second half of the fight. For

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the life of me, I cannot figure out why he

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literally did almost absolutely nothing for about the first three

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to four rounds except bounce up and down and throw

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his arms out like he was shaken out. It was

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mind boggling because all he's doing is wasting energy. And

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he was asked at the postfight press cards, you know

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where you're tired in the twelfth round, and he kind

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of said yeah. And if you take a look at

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the way the judging was going on the score cards.

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if you take a look back on the cards after

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ten rounds, TJ this fight was even ninety five to

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ninety five on two score cards, and the third score

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card had Terrence c Carford had ninety six to ninety four.

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And then what happened. So the fight's on the table

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right there. It's anybody's fight absolutely. Rounds eleven, in round twelve,

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Terrence Crawford one both rounds on all three score cards,

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and that was that's how he won the fight. If

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Majamov hadn't wasted so much energy doing bullshit for the

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first three rounds, not throwing any punches and not doing

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anything but jumping up and down like he was a

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bunny rabbit, then he might have had a really good

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chance to win the fight. Now, that comes with experience.

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I'm not, you know, denigrating him. I'm just saying that's

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why the experienced level well didn't indicate how good of

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a fighter he is. But experience in those moments is important.

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It's you know, I think back to the reasons why

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Vasilli Lomachenko lost against Orlando Solito when he was fending

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very world title on his second profile. He's a great fighter,

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but he didn't have that pro experiences to deal with

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that moment. And I can still remember to this day

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after that fight was over in San Antoni that I

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covered when Loma lost that fight, seeing one of the

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people on his team who said to me, point blank,

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I'm glad we got in tonight in his second fight,

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because in two or three fights we'd have no chance,

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and Majimov is going to get better from this fight.

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My perspective going in was that even if Majimov lost,

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I felt like he would give Crawford, whatever happened, knockout,

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not a knockout, whatever, that he would give Terrence Craft

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a good enough fight where his stock would be elevated.

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And that's what happened. Isral Majamov may have taken the loss,

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which he deserved, but he comes out of the fight

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with a much I believe, a much better reputation among

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boxing fans who didn't know him, and has shown the

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world that he is a bona fide fighter that even

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if he lost his fight by a couple of points,

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that he was able to basically go even up to

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a degree with the fighter that many people consider the

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number one fighter in boxing at worse, the number three

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fighter in boxing, obviously a future Hall of Famer who's

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got massive amounts of accomplishment, who moved up and won

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a title in a fourth way class. So it does

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raise the stock. Now that all said, TJ, I didn't

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think it was a particularly very good fight, No, I mean,

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the first half of the fight was just like it

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was very frustrating because of the way that the the

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madroumav game plan was. They were preaching patients and eventually

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you run out of time. It's a twelve run fight.

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but in a twelve round fight, no way. And Crawford

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has always been a slow starter, and you know, he

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started they started to pick it up a little bit,

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but it was just really frustrating the way that it

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was unfolding. It did get much better to last, you know, say,

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they maybe like four rounds or so, but it was

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just it was a rough to watch.

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Speaker 1: And I will interject a couple things. And by the way,

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you and I have playful fun going back and forth.

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And I know you, I've known you well enough now

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for a couple of years. You're grouchy. I get that,

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but we're gonna have fun with each other. I will

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say this. Terrence Crawford didn't do anything in the beginning

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of the fight either. The fight was a boring fight,

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and I want your in the first three or four rounds.

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I want your perspective being there. It sounded like on

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the Desonne broadcast there was some booing, there was some whistling,

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there was total lack of action early on in the fight.

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And Crawford said something after the fight that I thought

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was very telling, which was he kept waiting for Madramov

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to do you know, reckless things, take chances, and Madramov

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just wasn't going to do that. As the third round

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became the fifth round became the eighth round, he wasn't

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taking a lot of reckless chances for the chance to

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CounterPunch him. But the first really half of the fight

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nothing really going on. When you're looking at the punch

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stats that they put up live on the his own

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pay per view, and the hind number of punches landed

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is fewer than one hundred in like the tenth round

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between both fighters. That tells you there's not a whole

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lot going on, but here's the fight go ahead.

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Speaker 3: The reason why Crawford won those rounds is because whereas

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Madramov literally did nothing, Crawford wasn't doing a lot, but

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you know what, he was landing a couple of short

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right hands that were very noticeable in the middle of

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the ring. He landed a couple of body shots that

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were clear as day. He did, you know, fire someo

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jabs there, like he was throwing a few more punches

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and he was connecting with enough. If one guy does

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absolutely zero and the other guy does just a little bit,

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the guy that just does a little bit compared to

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the guy that does dick is going to win the round.

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And so while Crawford maybe those rounds were very close

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because not much was happening, Crawford was winning those rounds.

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They weren't maybe super competitive and or you know, you

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know a lot of action or a lot of stuff

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to think about when you were making your score pick

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on the round as it did maybe later in the fight.

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But again I say this every single time we discussed this.

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You get a ten nine round in round one because

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you land like one or two decent shots and the

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guys does nothing. In the mass, it's still the same

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score as if you have a World War three in

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round eleven and one guy you know, gets a little

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bit of the better of it. So that was what

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that was, what those rounds were. Not much is happening right,

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let me ask you. I'm so let me just say

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one other thing I heard Eddie hern yapping about. I

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heard a lot of people talking about it. You know,

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you got to take the title from the champion. That

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is the biggest crock a pile of dog shit, bullshit

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I ever heard of my entire life. That has nothing

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to do with winning a boxing match. Winning a boxing

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match is scoring twelve individual segments unless there's a knockout

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of three minutes apiece, and then do the mass. It's mass.

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It's not the emotion of who's the champion, who's got

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the belt anything to do with that, it's did you

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win round one or two or three through twelve, ten

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to nine, ten to eight, whatever it is, and then

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add it up. It's addition periods with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, the whole win seven rounds, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And the whole notion that Madromov should somehow get

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a nod because he just won a vacant WBA belt

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over a future Hall of Fame fighter that has two

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undisputed notches in the gun belt in recent history of

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four belt undisputed and is the a side fighter. You're

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not going to get the nod. We all knew that,

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and we all understood that. Now let me ask you

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this israel.

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Speaker 3: I Maajamov gave that fight away. It was his the win,

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and he gave it away.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I'm curious about one thing because again

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I'll keep deferring to Todd Grisham. Sergio Mora, Sean Porter,

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and Chris Mannix were on the call, but in the

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case of Mora and Porter, they began to debate about

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Crawford staying southpaw for the entire fight because he was

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having trouble.

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Speaker 2: This is the truth.

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Speaker 1: He was having trouble putting punches together, putting combinations together.

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When you look at the punch stats and they were

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revealing the punch stats as the fight went on, and

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he's got seventy five eighty percent non connect rate. He

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was having trouble putting punches together.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe?

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Speaker 1: What do you believe about him staying southpaw? Basically the

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whole fighting it up, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Most fighters stay one stance the whole fight. Terrence is

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a great switch hitter, but he felt more comfortable in

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that stance. Najamov his defense was pretty decent because of

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some of the movement that he gave him side to side.

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He was not that easy to hit clean anyway. I

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think Crawford in the back was mind new, I'm in

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a new way class. Is a big, strong guy for

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this weight class, so I'm going to be a little

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more careful. Whereas if he's fighting a smaller guy or

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a guy that's you know, knowing not to be so durable,

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where he can maybe exploit that to a certain degree.

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But I you know, to me, the fighters going to

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stay in the one stand, like ninety nine percent of fighters.

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You watch a boxing match, they have their stance and

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that's what it is. It just so happens that Terrence

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is a very talented fighter who can fight either righty

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or lefty, and in this particular case, he chose to

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fight in a south bust dance against a fighter that

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was right handed. So I didn't really see any particular

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issue with that. What I did have an issue was

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my man Sean Porter, who I love to death. He's

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a wonderful human being. He was a hell of a fighter,

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but he is. His call of the fight was prepascious.

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He had Crawford winning like ten rounds to one, and

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then at the end he said, I didn't score the

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full fight. He didn't even give a score. I mean,

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it's ridiculous. You can you want to say Karen Scruffer

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won the fight like most people did. He didn't win

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by you know, nine rounds. That was fucking ridiculous. I mean, right,

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you know I can't agree with that, and then I'll

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take issue with my man Todd Grisham also, who was

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my my pal. I spent many years working with him

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at ESPN. We did a lot of TV hits together.

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But I mean, if I hear somebody say this was

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the greatest card in the history of American boxing. Once again,

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I'm gonna throw up. God bless you, Todd Grisham.

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Speaker 1: The guys that I was watching the fight with full disclosure.

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We went to a location that had the fight. We

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were there and he said it, and then he said

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it again, and I kept saying, listen, I've been around

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the encyclopedia, meaning you Dan Rayphield long enough, who starts

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quoting all these different fight cards and what we used

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to have And what was the don King won in Washington,

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d C. It was it was five on the scene.

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There was a lot five on the screen and it

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had that was.

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Speaker 3: That was Atlantic City. There there's a lot of don But.

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Speaker 1: It had five world title fights on a pay per

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viewer or something like that.

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Speaker 3: It had eight world title fight eight on the show.

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But that was just one one of those shows. So listen,

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by the way, let me just say this for the record,

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because I don't want anybody to think that I'm hating

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on it. It was an awesome card, right, I love

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the card day. It was one of the best cards.

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Speaker 2: I've settled settled out in a long time.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't make it the greatest card ever in

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American boxing. That tells me you just haven't done your homework.

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You haven't looked at history. I consider myself somewhat of

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a historian on boxing, and uh, you know, I know

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my material.

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Speaker 2: I love it on that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, one more on Crawford and the future. You covered

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the postfight press conference all to talk in the ring.

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Would Canelo be somebody on your radar? Would that be next?

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I will say this while we comes strong with the

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opinions from what I saw on Saturday from a guy

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that fights once a year and is now thirty six,

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and he'll be thirty seven later this year to move

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up two more weight classes and have any chance right

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now at a Canelo Alvarez who is still on the

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backside of his prime, but in his prime. I just

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didn't see enough from Saturday night. That's is to me.

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You say what you want about Madramov fighting defensively, and

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he did a good job with head movement, upper body movement,

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give any angles, the whole bit. I didn't see enough

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from Saturday night that tells me that he's going to

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move up two weight classes with Canelo and have much

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of a shot or any shot with Canelo. All right,

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that's me saying that everybody's talking about that. Is that

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going to be the next fight.

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Speaker 2: Et cetera from what you saw last night.

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Speaker 1: If that is going to be next hypothesize theorize, what

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do you think?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't think so. And it's that's

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not a knock on Terrence Carford. I don't know how

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many times that I could say Terrence is a great fighter,

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first bout, Hall of famer, done everything you ask you

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got to do one all kinds of belts and accolades

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and awards and made history and all kinds of stuff.

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I mean, I was actually thinking about this. I mean,

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there are very few fighters in the history of boxing

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that were champions at lightweight and then also we're champions

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at Junie midway, a spread of nineteen pounds right between titles.

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You want to know the list of guys that did that.

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I think this is everybody. Maybe I might have missed somebody,

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but I think the this is the list. Terrence Crawford

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entered this list last night. Besides that, and when I

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tell you the names, you'll you'll find a thread in

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common with all of them. How about Floyd Mayweather, Many Pac,

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Yo Stugar, Shane Moseley, Oscar de la Hoya, Roberto Duran,

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and Terrence Crawford.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty exclusive list, enticing list. But

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that being said, now we're talking moving up two more

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weight classes to fight at one sixty eight.

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Speaker 3: So I'll say this, there has never been a fighter

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to my knowledge, that has ever been a champion at

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one hundred and thirty five pounds that went on to

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be a champion at one hundred and sixty eight pounds.

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That is doesn't happen. Now, There's been fighters that have

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certainly moved up through weight classes and won titles. I

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mean Tommy Hearns was a champion at one hundred and

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forty seven pounds and you know, won a light heavyweight title.

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But the point is that weight classes are created for

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a reason, and I understand Terrence Crawford's desire to have

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it because it is a historical fight from the standpoint

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of in many you know, any time you can have

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the number one fighter pound for pound against the most

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popular fighter who also was on the pound for pound list,

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But in terms of the the talent, the number one

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guy against the number one star, that makes for a

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mega fight. That's one of the reasons why. For example,

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when Oscar and Floyd finally fought, Floyd was the number

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one pound for pound and Oscar was the superstar attraction

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and it made at the time the biggest fight in

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money wise, in history. And Terrence is looking at you know,

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in the in the twilight. I mean, he's still a

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great fighter, and he's still undefeated, but clearly at his age,

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you got to figure he's in the back side. He's

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in the twilight of his career to some degree, and

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that that's the cash here, that's the cash out fight.

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From the standpoint of how much money he can make.

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That is the biggest payday that he could He could

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probably put into his bank account. But I mean after

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seeing now, I know Crawford fought mad Magimov the way

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he did, and Magie Mov has a totally different style

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than Canelo Alvarez, but you know, to me, it's a

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bridge too far, so i'd much And again that's not

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my decision. I'm not the one bank rolling it. It's

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not my career. But in terms of from my interest,

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I'd rather see Terrence Crawford, you know, fight at Boots

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and it's moving up in weight. I'd rather see Terrence

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Crawford at one hundred and fifty four, maybe try to

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become on disputed in that weight class. That would be historical.

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You know, fight the winner of Virgil Artis and Boa Chuck,

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fight with the other champions in the weight class, you know,

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fight some of the other junior middleweights. If you if

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you really want to try something, maybe you can go

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and fight for a middleweight title and then see how

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you handle it. But to jump up the two weight classes. Look,

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we saw how how Charlot fared when when when when

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he went when Jamel Charlo was the undisputed champion in

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junior middleweight division, had accomplished you know, Terrence has you know,

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got one of the belts now or actually he got

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an interim belt along with it, the WBO's interim belt. Uh.

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But when when when Charlot went up, he got played

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with He lost every single round against against Canelo Ovarez. Now,

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Crawford's a better fighter than Charlo, I think most people

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would agree, although Charlotte was obviously at that you know,

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in his time, you know, one of the best out there. Uh.

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But again hard to see that being competitive. I mean

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I'm sure a lot of peop be interested because it's

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sort of like you know, rotisserie, baseball, fantasy football. You know,

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you're just picking the names, and you know, I get

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all that. You know, if if Canelo was successful against

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Edgar Berlanga in September and it's a fight that Terence

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Crawford is still interested in, and and Turkey Alshikhu's the

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one that's going to bear the responsibility to bankroll that

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fight if it does happen, If they offer it a

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fight to Canelo and he decides to take it, I

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think we could see it. But it's going to be

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how much are they going to pay everybody? And is

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Canelo interested in doing that? I mean, I suppose with

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enough zeros at the end of that paycheck, he would

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do it a lot of very and we would watch it.

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We would watch it, obviously.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much. I mean, I will watch it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much interest I have in that

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because I just I think it's I'll use the word mismatch.

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I think it's a mismatch. And you've talked for years,

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and I've known this for years, but you've talked on

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this podcast, on the shows we've done for years. There

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are weight divisions for reasons, and you're talking about a

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guy that was making one forty seven over and over

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and over again, that now has moved up to one

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fifty four and didn't look particularly great doing it last

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night against a bigger fighter, I'll say this, And then

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you got to move up two more weight divisions.

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Speaker 3: So one of the things about that is so Crawford again,

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I thought he won the fight. It was competitive, but

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he won clearly in my opinion, especially the way he

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closed it out to make sure that he won those

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last couple of rounds. That I have a hard time

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thinking about. Terrence Crawford is number one pound for pound

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last night, because pound for pound you're talking about you

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gotta split hairs at the top. You gotta split the hairs.

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It's a tight race. I mean, it's about what he

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had done for me lately. And you know, again he won,

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but he didn't look like lights out. And when you're

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competing against people like Alexander Usak, who just had a

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sensational spectacular performance a couple of months ago in becoming

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the undisputed heavyweight champion against Tyson Fury, and you see

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what in a way has done in his recent fights

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and being active. That's one of the things. Also, that's

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a knock on Crawford in terms of his standing. It

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doesn't take away from his ability or how great he is,

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but he's only fought once a year for the last

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like four years something like that. So that that's all

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part of the when you when you figure out your

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recipe for how you pick that, you'd like to see

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a guy have a little bit more activity. And he

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hasn't fought anybody. Now. The fight he had before that

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against Aerol Spence obviously lights out spectacular domination, you know,

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career type victory. But is that a year later and

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then having you know, essentially like life and death with Magromov,

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is that enough to keep you number one when you're

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got what people like whosick and in a way have

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done in the recent past. Also, I'm not so sure

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about that.

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Speaker 1: Very true because again it's body of work, and let's

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be fair, let's be honest. He's not been active. He

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fought one time in twenty twenty one. Crawford, he fought

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one time in twenty twenty two, and this is the

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one time he's gonna fight. Yeah, in twenty twenty three fought.

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Speaker 3: By the way, he also only fought, Yeah, he fought

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one time in twenty twenty one also, and one time

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in twenty twenty. So in twenty twenty, twenty one, twenty two,

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twenty three, twenty four or five years he's fought one

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time in each year.

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Speaker 2: He's fought five total fights.

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Speaker 3: So the last time, the bottom line is the last

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we had two fights in one year was in twenty nineteen,

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when he had the wins over a mere con but

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in a mean machine.

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Speaker 1: In particular, when all this discussion has been going on

475
00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:10,720
about who's the best and up at the top. If

476
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,359
you're only going to fight one time a year now,

477
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,960
he was spectacular about fifty three weeks ago. You and

478
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,960
I were there against Daryl Spence. The problem and the

479
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,880
difference is we've now waited twelve months and we saw

480
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,559
that performance, and if the time is the timeline, we're

481
00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:26,559
going to wait another ten or eleven months before the

482
00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:27,720
Canalo fight in Max.

483
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 3: So I had this exact conversation last night. I was

484
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,359
sitting at the fight next to my dear friend Larry Merchant,

485
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,640
who came to the fight with his truckle.

486
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,559
Speaker 2: In this photo we reshared it, yep.

487
00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:40,759
Speaker 3: So he came to his son in law, Evan. They

488
00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,839
live in Santa Monica, and it's you know, it's to

489
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,119
go from Santa Monica to the state to the stadium,

490
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,599
it's probably, you know, in even decent La traffic. I

491
00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:51,799
guess maybe half an hour, thirty five minutes, something like that. Anyway,

492
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,759
Larry and I were discussing that with some other people also,

493
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,200
and and basically it was like, if you're gonna beat

494
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,960
the town for abound number one and you're only gonna

495
00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,079
fight once a year, there's no margin for error. You

496
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,400
have to be lights out. You know, if you're a

497
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,039
baseball player and you fight. You know, if you play

498
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:09,599
five games in a week and you have one or

499
00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:11,119
two games in there where you don't do anything, but

500
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,839
the other game you might hit, you know, a couple

501
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,640
of home runs and driving a bunch of runs, maybe

502
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,279
make a great defensive play. You know, obviously people can

503
00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:19,319
remember that. But if you're only fighting once a year,

504
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,240
that's on you, and that's what people are gonna judge

505
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,240
you by. You know, what happened a whole year ago

506
00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:27,599
doesn't necessarily keep your standing when you've got other guys

507
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,880
breathing down your neck like husick like in a way. So,

508
00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:33,000
and again I'm not saying you can't. I'm not saying

509
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,839
that parents Crawford is disqualified at this moment from being

510
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,920
the number one. If you choose to still keep in

511
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,680
number one, I respect that, I understand that. I'm just

512
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,039
saying I think that there's a real discussion that you

513
00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:47,559
could have. You could have Crawford. I guess I don't

514
00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:49,880
particularly agree with that, but you know, you could have

515
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,200
in a way, you could have Usick. But I feel

516
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,839
like if you're going to just have the one fight

517
00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:56,839
and you want to maintain that position, you better be

518
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,319
lights out. And he wasn't lights out. That's all there

519
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,960
is to it. And it's not a knock on him.

520
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,680
He was fighting a good opponent. Even though a lot

521
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,200
of people thought it was a cherry pick. I never

522
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,279
thought that. I said it from day one, this fight

523
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,599
against a good guy, and we.

524
00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: Played the Madromov interview and we talked all about it.

525
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,039
You said it over and over again. If you've been

526
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:12,799
with us on these podcasts, that's why you gotta be here.

527
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so you.

528
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: Were there, unseen Steamy night. Let's let's go over the heavyweights,

529
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,319
and let's go over what went on?

530
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,839
Speaker 3: Feature was the pit Bull fight?

531
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,599
Speaker 1: Well correct, but on your rundown you have the heavyweights first,

532
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,799
you want to talk pitt Let's go pit Bull and

533
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,960
h and Jose Valenzuela. I gotta say this all right,

534
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:36,200
Julio Sesar Chavez, the legend was in the locker room

535
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:39,119
and Pitbull had the table set with the crowd ready

536
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,960
to roar, and for whatever reason, he could not. And

537
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,640
some of it's Valenzuela to here's credit with the South

538
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,839
Paul shots and he and he and he actually rocked

539
00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:51,599
Cruise a couple of times, but Pitbull just did not

540
00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:54,480
turn it on, did not have enough offense, did not

541
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:58,240
have enough power punching to make the impact. And then

542
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,119
of course you hear split decision. I thought Valanzuela won

543
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,160
that fight. I thought he won that fight fairly decisively.

544
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,240
And then you hear split decision and you'll, okay, here

545
00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:09,720
we go again with the judging. But the right guy,

546
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,960
I believe, ended up winning. What was your perception as

547
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,519
Jose Valenzuela in an upset takes the title off of Pitbull,

548
00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:20,480
Cruise and maybe Ruin to rematch with Gervonte Davison doing that,

549
00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:21,759
I want your thought on that as well.

550
00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Well, I agree with you about the fact

551
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:26,240
that he won the fight. He deserved to win the fight.

552
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,599
So looking at the official score cards, you had two

553
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,119
judges or I take that back. One judge had the

554
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,200
fight one fifteen one thirteen for Pitbull Cruise and the

555
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,440
two other judges had it one sixteen and to one

556
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:40,960
twelve for Valans. Well, that's eight to four. My scorecard

557
00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:44,359
was one fifteen to one thirteen in favorite Valenzuela. I

558
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,240
thought that Pitbull Cruise got off to a great start.

559
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:48,319
I thought he won the first round. He landed some

560
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,880
solid overhand left and valenzuel It seemed kind of like

561
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,079
kind of surprised by them, which is I don't know

562
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:55,400
how you could be surprised by Pitbull Cruise over and

563
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,400
left because's pretty much the bread and butter punch. But

564
00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:01,279
after like two rounds had him all figured out, and

565
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,559
I felt like dolins Will did a great job where

566
00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:06,200
he was able to throw with authority and off keep

567
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,200
his distance enough because he would like seven inches taller

568
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,039
and had a much longer reach, but he also was

569
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:11,839
able to get on the inside to some degree. He

570
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,240
threw some very heavy jabs, he kept them off with

571
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:18,559
good right hands or you know, with a just just

572
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,680
an overall a more a more diverse game. Let's say,

573
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,799
like he was able to box, he was able to

574
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:26,319
move a little bit when he when he needed to.

575
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,119
We could stand there and fight with the guy. And

576
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:30,400
you know, he had little facets of different things he

577
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,200
could do. And that's you know, that's good. That's a

578
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,920
well round. Invider Cruz I think has become a fan

579
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,240
favorite to some degree because he does basically one thing,

580
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,279
and it's exciting and interesting to watch. But he basically

581
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,000
comes forward and wings the left hand, and he really

582
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,160
didn't seem to have any kind of like you know,

583
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,759
it's call it a plan be it wasn't. It wasn't

584
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:50,599
happening for him. And so after about like I said,

585
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:52,799
after maybe the second round, you know, valan Zuelle I

586
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,079
thought got him kind of figured out and went to

587
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,960
school on him and showed him a variety of punches pitbull,

588
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,160
he got inside, but he wasn't effective when he got inside,

589
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,240
you know, And I think, you know, he's always gonna

590
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,240
have trouble when you're when you've got to when you

591
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:09,519
have a skillful guy who's that much taller, it's gonna

592
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,000
be problematic. Now, if valons Weela was not skillful, then

593
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,119
crews would just eat him alive on the inside. But

594
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,119
val Zuela was able to do things on the inside

595
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,400
and to.

596
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: The punches, and I guess there's gonna be some questions

597
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,240
about uh Pitbull's punching power a little.

598
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: I'll tell you a funny thing. So I get I

599
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,880
get back to the hotel last night after the fight

600
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,519
from the press cars, and uh, I walk into the

601
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:30,799
lobby and as I said during the week, by the way,

602
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,960
just as an aside, so when you go to like

603
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,920
a big fight card and everybody's staying pretty much at

604
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,039
the same hotel. In this case, it was the J W.

605
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,480
Marriott at La Alive, and it's just filled with like

606
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,759
boxing people calling everywhere, fighters, promoters, managers, you know, media people, UH,

607
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,119
folks from the from the broadcasters. I made the joke

608
00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,599
that if you remember the I'm a huge Star Wars fan,

609
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,079
there's that scene in the original Star Wars we got

610
00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:57,920
Obi Wan and Luke and they're going to the moss

611
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,119
Isley Spaceport to try to find transport to take him

612
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,480
to alder On and that's where they hire hand Solo

613
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:06,160
in the Millennium Falcon and before they go to the spaceport,

614
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,160
they get out and they look over the city and

615
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,920
you got Obi Wan telling Luke what it was, and

616
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,359
he goes, You'll never see a bigger hive of scum

617
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,720
and villainy. That's what the lobby of the the JW

618
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,519
marriy I was like during this week. Anyway, it was

619
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,000
really funny to me when I saw that. So I

620
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:24,960
come back into the hotel after I come back from

621
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,559
the press conference. We had taken a van back and

622
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,160
I was in. It was crowded. There was tons of

623
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,000
people around. Everybody was milling about and you know, having

624
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,160
drinks and just chilling out after the fight. And I

625
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:36,680
wasn't hanging out. I had to finish writing some stories

626
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,200
and I had a very early flight this morning, which

627
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,559
is why I'm so fucking cranky. I'm no sleep. Anyway,

628
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,519
when I was going around the bend to go into

629
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,799
the elevator, there's Vealanzuela with the belt over the shoulder

630
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,039
with a bunch of people, and you know, he saw me,

631
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:51,680
and I saw him, and I don't like know him well,

632
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,480
but I know I've covered his whole career pretty much,

633
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:54,880
and I've been to a bunch of his fights. So

634
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,240
I said hello to all my second gratulations, and he

635
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,880
like had a huge smile on his face and he

636
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,319
had the belt over should he goes, how do you

637
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,599
like my belt? And those are endearing moments to me.

638
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,920
I've told a story about being in the van when

639
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,440
Jared Hurd won the Junior Middleway title and he was

640
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,519
wearing the belt to the airport. And when I see

641
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:12,319
a kid like Valanzuela twenty three years old who dedicated

642
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,480
the fight to his parents who gave up everything to

643
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:15,920
bring him to the United States to give him a

644
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,799
better life, and he delivers the title, you know, makes

645
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,079
a career payday, and that was a world champion. He's

646
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:23,599
going to make other paydays and in the history books

647
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:25,559
as a title holder and all that. And he's like

648
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:29,039
looking at me like like glowing, like how do you

649
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,039
like my belt? Like a kid on Christmas morning or

650
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,160
just got a great birthday present, like how do you

651
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,160
like my belt? Like I get choked up when I

652
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,200
think about it because it was such a cool moment.

653
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,839
So that's the human side of seeing what these guys

654
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:41,920
go through to get that, you know, that carrot, That

655
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,759
what they strive for for their entire life, and he

656
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,759
deserved it. He did a hell of a job in

657
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,759
that fight. I was really happy for him. Not that

658
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:50,519
I'm anti pitpoin anything that guy, I would have been

659
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:52,759
happy for him too, But to see valan Zuela do

660
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,319
what he did after having gotten so fucking badly robbed

661
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,279
against Chris Colbert in the first fight, come back and

662
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:02,359
and destroy him in the second fight, that even that

663
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,799
up in the last fight, and then you go back

664
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:06,119
before that where he got clipped and he got knocked

665
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,680
out by Edwin de los Santos. So to go through

666
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,160
the knockout loss, then the bullshit decision against Colbert, come

667
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,000
back and show his stuff when a lot of people

668
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,079
doubted him in the rematch, and absolutely pummel Chris Colbert.

669
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,559
And then get this opportunity against a very hot fighter who,

670
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:23,759
as you said, had the possibility of perhaps being a

671
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,240
Tank Davis opponent or some other significant fight. And to

672
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:31,400
go in there and really put on a beautiful display boxing, punching, fighting,

673
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,720
uh and and and doing enough to deserve to get

674
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,640
this big win you know, I was really happy for

675
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,079
the kid.

676
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: Give him credit.

677
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,279
Speaker 1: And I know pitt Bull was upset with the decision

678
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,519
and and wants a possible rematch, but I just didn't.

679
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,799
Speaker 3: Didn't he didn't. He said he thought he won, but

680
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,319
he didn't really make a strenuous argument against it, like

681
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,440
he was I think trying to save face. I mean,

682
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,759
he was sort of maybe disappointed in his performance, but

683
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:56,279
he didn't give a vigorous defense of why he felt

684
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:56,680
he want so.

685
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,359
Speaker 1: And the punch and the punching power just won there

686
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,720
and did it lost him? We'll say, time will tell

687
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:02,960
and force such.

688
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:05,079
Speaker 3: A small guy, you know, Pitbull is such a tiny guy,

689
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:07,240
you know, I forget like I see him in person.

690
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,319
And remember he's at one hundred and forty now. He

691
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,119
when he was coming up and he was first on

692
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,960
the scene, he was really at one thirty five, even

693
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,240
a one thirty five. He's a little peanut at one

694
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:21,400
hundred and forty, like he's by far. Yeah, he would

695
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,759
make like if you put him next to t Fimo Lopez,

696
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,160
t Femo would look like a freaking heavyweight. Right.

697
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, and we'll see what the future is for Valenzuela.

698
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,160
One forty now that he has one of the belts,

699
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,559
having having won the WBA title last night.

700
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,039
Speaker 3: With this, he's got some good options. I mean, it's

701
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,039
a good weight class. He's an appealing fighter, he's got

702
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:42,400
a good personality. He's got a very good like kind

703
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,319
of like I said, diverse fighting style, you know, ken

704
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,559
box and punch it. It's a very entertaining style to

705
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,279
watch because he can do a lot of different things.

706
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:49,799
Speaker 2: Uh.

707
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,839
Speaker 3: Now you know, Cruise is entertaining too, because he likes

708
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,680
to just rush you and and go for the go

709
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,839
for the juggular pretty much with every shot. But val

710
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,400
as Well's his game is a little bit more nuanced

711
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,119
and he can do a little bit more things. And

712
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:00,680
I like that.

713
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: I noticed the story stopped without Valezuela inviting you to

714
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,799
the post fight party to celebrate there last night.

715
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:07,559
Speaker 2: You didn't get in on that.

716
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:09,599
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had other I went to my room,

717
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,279
TJ the A List celeb that you are in the

718
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:13,920
A List town there by the way, there were some

719
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,880
A List celebs all over the place. I still want

720
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,359
to know how Scottie Pippen was two seats over from

721
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,200
Turkey Ala Chic.

722
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: That was impressive.

723
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,759
Speaker 3: I was as they say. I didn't have that on

724
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:23,400
my part.

725
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,519
Speaker 2: It was interesting, all right. Now to the heavyweights.

726
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,519
Speaker 1: Let's go in order with Andy Ruiz, which was the

727
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:34,240
fight immediately before the Valezuela upset of Pitbull and the

728
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,200
draw with Jarrell Miller. We now know Ruiz said it

729
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,160
after the fight, I feel like I broke my hand.

730
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what the confirmation is.

731
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: He showed his hand at least dislocated, if not broken.

732
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,039
Speaker 3: Show me after that.

733
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: All right, So did you agree with draw? Did you think.

734
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,519
Speaker 1: Miller deserved it more? A lot of people are wondering

735
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,319
if we'll see it again. I thought they were tough

736
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,640
rounds to score, and I put it out on social

737
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,720
media and the tenth round. This thing has draw written

738
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,240
all over it, with tough rounds to score. What did

739
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,240
you think being there on Miller Ruiz?

740
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: I had no problem with the draw. I thought it

741
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,000
was a really close fight. My personal scorecard was one fifteen,

742
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:16,240
one thirteen in favor of Jerrel Miller. But again, when

743
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:18,759
you have that many close rounds and they're just going

744
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,519
back and forth like that, I mean, certainly you can

745
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,000
have a couple of rounds swing one way or the other.

746
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,279
I mean, there was rounds that easily could have gone

747
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:26,319
the other direction. I always, when I keep my scores off,

748
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,400
have like my little codes that I use if I

749
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,680
think it's a close round or run. And I had

750
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,119
a couple of those on my scorecard where you maybe

751
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,000
think it could go either way, you know, And there

752
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,160
was no you know, there was no time in that

753
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,039
fight where one guy was really hurt or about to

754
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,680
go down or got knocked down or anything along those lines.

755
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,160
So it was a good fight. It was an entertaining fight,

756
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,759
like I think we knew it would be. And you know,

757
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,960
Jerreal Miller was upset with the decision. You know, what

758
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,000
are you gonna do? Two judges, you know, one judge

759
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,880
had it a draw or you know, I take them back.

760
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,599
Two of the judges had to draw, one fourteen and

761
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,880
one fourteen. The one judge at had it without being

762
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,799
a draw was one sixteen to one twelve for Miller.

763
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,400
I could see that. But you know, if you told

764
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,160
me you thought Andrew Reies won at one fifteen to

765
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,160
one third, I couldn't argue with that. I mean, it

766
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:09,640
was a close fight. If they do a rematch, I'd

767
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,119
be fine. Andy's gonna be out for a little bit.

768
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:13,400
That hand look awfully messed up. You can almost see

769
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,759
like the bones sort of like it wasn't out of

770
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,039
the skin or anything. But clearly there was an issue there,

771
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,359
and you know, we'll see what they do. But I

772
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,680
think when you get we have two heavyweight contenders like

773
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:26,519
that and they go, they get a draw, if they

774
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:28,440
don't do a rematch, both of them are still in

775
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,160
business because they didn't lose, and they can easily be

776
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:32,200
in another kind of fight.

777
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,759
Speaker 1: What about the argument, I realize Miller's a good talker,

778
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,319
but Miller got beat by Daniel Dubois. Ruiz has not

779
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,359
been active, by his own admission, he was on the

780
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,559
pod with you. He's had problems outside the ring, and

781
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,079
he hurt the hand and didn't look particularly great. What

782
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240
about the argument that neither one of these guys is

783
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:52,079
going to be a serious player at the top of

784
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:54,680
the heavyweight division, and maybe the only best thing is

785
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,599
for them to rematch each other whenever that can happen.

786
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,519
I don't know who's clamoring to fight Durell are off

787
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,359
his draw, I guess is part of my point, But

788
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,240
go ahead.

789
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: Well, it's not about who's clamoring I mean, if there's heavyweights,

790
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,599
the way the heavyweight division is oftentimes and it certainly

791
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,559
is that way right now, is it's almost like a

792
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,320
game of musical chairs, like they start matching guys up

793
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,639
and you kind of got to see who's left and

794
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,559
he is a dance partner, and then there's usually somebody

795
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,480
that's left out. But the fact that other heavyweights and

796
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,360
promoters also will view Jerald Miller or Andy Reeves for

797
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,360
that matter, as entertaining for the for the public to watch.

798
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,559
It'll make a good fight beatable. So if they've got

799
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:32,960
the other guy they think can win, like it's not

800
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,159
like you're putting your guy in huge mental harms way.

801
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,440
I mean, they're both good heavyweights, but Jeral Miller, just

802
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:40,480
based on the performances in the last couple of fights,

803
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,679
clearly a beatable fighter, and same thing as Andy Ruiz,

804
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,239
who has lost previously low terrible against aj in their

805
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,960
rematch and had a very close loss to Joseph Parker

806
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,039
back in like twenty sixteen in their first title fight.

807
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,639
But I'm making the point here that if you're if

808
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,880
you're doing like the Saudi Raby cards for example, and

809
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,639
they put a lot of heavyweight fights on. Everybody needs opponents,

810
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,679
so maybe your boy Agi Calbiell needs you know what

811
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:05,320
I mean. I'm just making a point that they can

812
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,599
mix and match all these guys.

813
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: So let's lead to the fight immediately before that as

814
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,159
we continue on this read season card. And that was

815
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,719
Martin Bucoli from the Congo by way of Scotland in

816
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,159
Los Angeles. Rayfield was there on scene, and I have

817
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,800
to say, we don't get them all right, but we

818
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,360
were all over this upset. The only thing that made

819
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,199
me mad is I blew it on the bet Us

820
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,679
show because I went next level for the decision and

821
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,920
the bang for the buck and you just went straight

822
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,880
money line. But for people to say that we weren't

823
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,760
all over this is danger for Jared Anderson and Bakoli

824
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,920
could end up wiping him out.

825
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: All right.

826
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: You were there and when the first round knockout happened,

827
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,199
your reaction, the media around you's reaction how shocked, and

828
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:54,519
a lot of.

829
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,119
Speaker 3: Us right there everybody was like it was audible gasps.

830
00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:58,800
Like you know, most guys, you know, we've been to

831
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,559
a lot of fights for you don't really get too emotional.

832
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:02,519
You watch it, you know you're enjoying it, but you're

833
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:04,480
not cheering and hollering and screaming. But when he got

834
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:07,280
knocked down, there was definitely a a, let's say, a

835
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,519
vociferous reaction in media and media area. I picked Bookcoley

836
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,719
in the pre fight partly because the number was ridiculous,

837
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,440
because I felt there was a fifty to fifty fight

838
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:19,239
and he was such a heavy dog. He was almost

839
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,000
a two to one underdog. But then on Friday morning,

840
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,039
so they they did the ceremony away in the evening,

841
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,920
like six. I was actually supposed to be at nine

842
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,880
o'clock at night. They pushed it to six o'clock right

843
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,920
outside in l a live right by the hotel. But

844
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,639
I was in the room at nine am on Friday

845
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:37,000
morning for the commission. Wagh And then watch them and

846
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:38,960
they don't you know, when you're at the commission way

847
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,960
and they're not doing shit for the photographs and all that.

848
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,239
So they didn't like pose together, but they weighed the

849
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,519
guys in within a few minutes of each other. And

850
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,480
I'd never seen Martin Bucoley in person before. When I

851
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:53,280
saw Martin Bacauley get on the scale, I'm like, this

852
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,599
is a this dude is a mountain of a man,

853
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,559
a house like wide body, Paul. You know, maybe not

854
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,920
in the perfect shape, you know, a little flab going on,

855
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,440
but like kind of caught and you could talk a hard,

856
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,280
strong guy that this was going to be a rough go.

857
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,599
And Jared is much shorter than him and was out

858
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:14,360
weighed by about thirty pounds by him.

859
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,079
Speaker 1: But he's the point is, he's not a small guy.

860
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,079
I was saying that to the guys I was watching

861
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:22,199
the fight with. I'm like, look, so this looks, you know,

862
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,880
like a serious disparity, but Jared Anderson is every bit

863
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,559
of like two hundred and forty pounds.

864
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: He was just or I kept thinking when I saw

865
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,119
him get on this scale, I kept thinking, man, Jared

866
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,400
Anderson's in a lot of trouble. That's exactly what was

867
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,239
in my mind. That was. I mean, I already had

868
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,360
made the pick, but that to me was just like

869
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,360
because we did the show the day before I went

870
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,159
out there or the day after I got out there,

871
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:48,760
but I was already there. We already We didn't do

872
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,079
it on Friday, Thursday, so I didn't see him on

873
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:57,880
the scale until Friday. It just reinforced my my conviction

874
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,320
and my certainty, frankly, that he was going to win

875
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,679
this fight way bigger, just a thick, sturdy guy. Seems

876
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:08,000
like he took a good punch. Listen, I'll give Jared

877
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,199
Anderson some credit here. He may have been beaten and

878
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,320
beaten pretty badly and knocked out and sort of lived

879
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,159
up to what a lot of people were thinking were

880
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:19,039
his liabilities because he showed that maybe he wasn't all

881
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,519
that in the last couple of the fights and his performances,

882
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,480
whether it was getting buzzed by the way he did,

883
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,320
hurt by Charles Martin, or just you know, the the

884
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,559
lack of a killer instinct, let's say against Riad Marry,

885
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:30,719
who threw like, you know, less punches in the ten

886
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,400
round fight than than Majimov did in the first few rounds.

887
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,920
Just you know, you kind of can feel it coming.

888
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,239
And then when you see him go in there and

889
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,760
even though he got stopped, kept getting up a lot

890
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,199
of heart. Noon got to tip your hat to Jared

891
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,159
Anderson's heart showed it all, let it all hang out,

892
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,480
you know, was there to try to win. Just either

893
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,559
didn't have the defensive capabilities, doesn't have the ability to

894
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,519
take the shot and Bacolia by no means is a

895
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,559
light puncher, and that's what happens. They they wanted to

896
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,719
step up. I don't think that he was ready for this. Uh.

897
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,679
I know for a fact there are people at top

898
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,079
rank who venomly disagreed with him taking this fight. They

899
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,480
did not want him to take this fight, but in

900
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:13,880
the end they were offering Jared. Let me, I understand,

901
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,199
I had no choice but to take the fight.

902
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: I love it.

903
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,199
Speaker 1: Let me let me interject, because we go back and forth.

904
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,679
You brought that up, and you're you're in with those guys,

905
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,199
and I understand what they were wanting. They were wanting

906
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,159
him to get to the finish line if he could

907
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:28,719
of a title shot without taking a significant risk.

908
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 3: I get that's true. That's not true. Okay, that's not

909
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,119
not true. All right, So you don't want to know.

910
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: Can I finished? Can I finish the point?

911
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: Because you're mischaracterizing it.

912
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:41,199
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to go over what we talked about before.

913
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:48,199
They had Faa Jagba on card after card with Jared Anderson,

914
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,400
and I said to you that guy would be a

915
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,400
step up. Let's see him in a step up fight.

916
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,719
You said back to me, that's a risk that they

917
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,159
don't really want to take right now because he could

918
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,039
end up getting a heavy waight title shot.

919
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,199
Speaker 2: You said that to me.

920
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: So when this fight was made, I remembered the Bakoli

921
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,599
dominant performance.

922
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,119
Speaker 2: Against Tony Yoka.

923
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:10,639
Speaker 1: I've seen him win since then, and I believe this

924
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,159
was an even bigger risk than that.

925
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: So I agree.

926
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: Sooner or later, we were going to have to find

927
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,960
out what does Jared Anderson actually have or not against

928
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,320
a guy that's a real guy that could.

929
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: Potentially knock him out.

930
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: Okay, and we've now found that out they wanted was coming.

931
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,599
Speaker 3: To They wanted a little It's incremental. It's not either

932
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,480
or in boxing. It's not where either going to fight

933
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:36,000
this guy because we think he's an easy guy. We're

934
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:37,719
not going to fight this guy's because he's a tough guy.

935
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,679
There is nuance that the matchmakers know better than you

936
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,000
and me about moving a guy in a level and

937
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:47,800
the type of opponent. So this fight happened because Jared

938
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,800
Anderson wanted to fight, because Turkey al Chic wanted to

939
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,719
fight and paid a shitload of money that I have

940
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,719
the fight. Bob Aram was like, okay, and you asked,

941
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,639
Bob like leading up to the fight he was much

942
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,039
more nervis and the days leading into it he was

943
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,320
much more concerned. But look, the point here is he

944
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,199
didn't have to fight in a jog bab, but they

945
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,960
could have taken an incremental step up and given him

946
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,880
more seasoning. In particular, because this was his first fight

947
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,480
with a new coach in sugar Hill Stewart, they put

948
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,320
him in the toughest fight he could possibly be in

949
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,079
at this moment, having one training camp with with the

950
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,119
new coach. Typically a guy would have a couple of

951
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,159
fights at least, you know, work on a few things.

952
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:27,880
And it cost him dearly. And again, I'm not gonna

953
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,000
sit here and tell you that Jared Anderson's career is

954
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,559
over or he's never gonna amount to anything. But when

955
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:36,000
you see a guy who already worked question marks about

956
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,360
get and he didn't just get caught by one shot

957
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,199
and knocked out, that can happen. I don't even like

958
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,440
hold that against anybody. And I do give Jared credit

959
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,400
for the Tickers show by getting up and trying and

960
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,239
really doing it what he could do. Yeah, but we

961
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,000
got he got. He got destroyed, is the bottom line.

962
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:52,800
He got knocked down three times. This was not like

963
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,719
an insignificant loss. And keep in mind also Jared Anderson's

964
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,159
other knock on him, if you will, is that the

965
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:03,559
combination of the outside during troubles that he's had and

966
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:05,719
the fact that he has made no bones about the fact.

967
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,239
And he says it almost to the point of like

968
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,320
derision of those who want to watch him. I don't

969
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,199
care about boxing. I'm in this for the short haul.

970
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,760
All I want to do is make money. I don't

971
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,960
care about being heavyweight.

972
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: Chance it's his own worst enemy on that.

973
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean a lot of his reputation is

974
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,320
built on the great will that he had from heavyweight

975
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,039
you know, from Tyson Fury when he was heavyweight champion

976
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:25,719
that had Jared in the training camp and gave him

977
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,079
all kinds of plaudits and flowers for being a great

978
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,679
sparring partner. And that's cool and everything. So right now,

979
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,639
I can tell you, right now Sunday, as we're taping this,

980
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:35,440
this is a hard day for Jared Anderson because he's

981
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,039
coming to the realization as the day wears on. I

982
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:42,159
am sure I got knocked out pretty badly last night,

983
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,280
and you got to pick up the pieces and you're

984
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,000
gonna go through like the grief stages.

985
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: Well, and we saw Bob Aaron in the locker room

986
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,159
on social media trying to console him and say, you'll

987
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:53,679
come back from this. And obviously, look, they have a

988
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,199
vested interest in the guy coming back because he's still

989
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,159
under their promotional arm, unless you're gonna break news to

990
00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,960
me that he's not any longer.

991
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 3: All right.

992
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:02,679
Speaker 2: But there's a couple other things that strike.

993
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 1: Number One, there's a saying in sports and in life

994
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,719
that adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

995
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: It's very true, what do you have?

996
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: And I'm pointing to my chest for the audience, I

997
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,960
can't say what do you have right here?

998
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: Now?

999
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: He did have heart to get up. But how much

1000
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,199
does Jared Anderson really care about being great? We're going

1001
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,079
to find that out. It's going to be revealed. Is

1002
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,960
it good enough that he made whatever he made Saturday night?

1003
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,840
And for right now he's going to coast or cruise

1004
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,880
along or be highly motivated.

1005
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,159
Speaker 2: I don't know, but he's.

1006
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,639
Speaker 3: Certainly I suspect that he's going to continue to fight,

1007
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:38,440
because guys always talk about I'm going to retire at

1008
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,800
this age or that age. In the end, Jared Anderson

1009
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,719
is still a young man at four years old. He

1010
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,559
has a young family now with with with a baby

1011
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:50,039
daughter that you know he talked about he wants to

1012
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:53,519
provide for. And I'm not saying that Jared Anderson is

1013
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:56,079
not a you know, an intelligent human being. But it's

1014
00:43:56,119 --> 00:43:58,000
not as though he's going to suddenly, you know, drop

1015
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,159
his his boxing career and you know, and go become

1016
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,400
a you know, a computer programmer or you know, a

1017
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:09,320
a dentist, right or what exactly. So, I mean, you

1018
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,880
know that's he's a boxer. It's not I'm not sitting

1019
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,599
here telling you there's not other things he could do

1020
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:15,920
with his life. But I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be

1021
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,480
as lucrative as fighting for a few more years, that's

1022
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,079
for sure. And uh, you know, the reason why he

1023
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,199
was on this card in the first place was because Turkey.

1024
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,519
She was a fan of his and wanted him on

1025
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:28,599
the card. So you know, if Turkey tells him, you know,

1026
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:30,079
go shake it off, get it a little rest, and

1027
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,880
we're gonna bring you back, then they'll put him in

1028
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,480
another fight and we'll see if he can redound. I

1029
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,480
hope he does. I don't know, but I tell you

1030
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:38,440
one thing, by the way, what it does expose when

1031
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:41,960
Jared got knocked out like that, there is no United

1032
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,840
States heavyweights right now? That I mean you're the top

1033
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,159
American heavyweights? Is Jared Anderson going into this fight? Andy

1034
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:51,599
Rees is an American heavyweight, you know, Mexican but born

1035
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:55,039
in America. American. Uh, you saw what happened with that

1036
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,679
fight Jerald Miller. I mean that's a heavyweight that's American.

1037
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,719
I mean, are you thinking these guys are future everyweight champions?

1038
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,840
And then you know, I don't know. Deontay Wilder is

1039
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,440
pretty much done at this point unfortunately, so an American.

1040
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:08,320
But where where's my American heavyway? Give me one? You

1041
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,079
know the guys that you mentioned that the other top

1042
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:13,039
rank guys that they use like Edo Vannello is from Italy.

1043
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,960
A Jagua is you know, from Uhigeria, and other heavyweights

1044
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,440
who may fight in America are not American. So have

1045
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:23,280
you said to me right now, who's the number one

1046
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,960
American heavy And Richard Torres is the United States Olympian

1047
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,119
from twenty twenty Tokyo, and Richard's an exciting, uh hard

1048
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:32,480
puncher and and uh you know, is on the way

1049
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:36,199
up the ranks. But and I'm I like Richard Torres,

1050
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,639
but here's the problem with Richard Torres in the long

1051
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,440
run of being in competition with the big guys in

1052
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,639
this weight class is he's about two thirty. Now. Back

1053
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:47,239
in the day, that was a big deal, like that

1054
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,400
was a big heavyweight. Hey, but today Martin Bacole was

1055
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,880
fucking two eighty five, Jared was two fifty. You know,

1056
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,480
Andy Ruiz was two seventy or whatever. Uh, big baby

1057
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:02,000
was three oh three, three oh five. So two thirty mostly,

1058
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,000
And it's not like he's not a tall guy. He's

1059
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,320
maybe like six to one, you know, two thirty six

1060
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,400
one ish. I mean, unless you're spectacular, unless your cash

1061
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:14,960
is fucking clay in the old day, that's not probably

1062
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,599
getting the job done in today's heavyweight division. So by

1063
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:20,360
all means, I wish Richard Torre is nothing but success,

1064
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,440
but I'm just being realistic, all right.

1065
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: And and again, where does Pecoli go his stock is up?

1066
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,639
Speaker 2: Does he get a fight with Jang?

1067
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,039
Speaker 1: That would be interesting, that is, if he Jang, that

1068
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:33,719
would be interesting, dude.

1069
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,559
Speaker 3: That's the carnage fight right there.

1070
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: All right, That's it would be interesting if you're looking

1071
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,360
for something else for Jarrell Miller, maybe it's Pecoli.

1072
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't know who you can You can take all

1073
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:44,800
these you got several.

1074
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 3: Ahrwee's Take Jerald Miller, take Forecoli, take Jang, you know,

1075
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:53,400
put them all. Take your boy Tabiel. Joe Parker is

1076
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,239
going to be coming back, probably in the later part

1077
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,199
of the year. You know, you can put all these

1078
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:58,719
guys in a hat and you can pick out the

1079
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,280
names and just make the matches.

1080
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: All right again. Virgil Ortiz conversation in just a moment.

1081
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,719
Also on this car, we kept saying this. Six fights

1082
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,800
on the pay per view, David Morrell victorious in his

1083
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,599
light heavyweight battle, and Andy Cruz got buzzed early on

1084
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,800
in his fight with Antonio Moran but eventually got a TKO.

1085
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,239
Any follow up thoughts on seeing Morel and Cruse in

1086
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,559
person to round out the car.

1087
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 3: So, I have a couple thoughts on Morell. He moved

1088
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,840
up from one hundred and sixty eight to one hundred

1089
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,760
and seventy five in large measure because similar to David Bennavidiez,

1090
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,719
who he wants to fight, he couldn't get a fight

1091
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,800
with Canel Alvarez. There just was no other big name

1092
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,880
fight for him in the weight class. He got the opportunity, unfortunately,

1093
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,039
to fight for the WBA regular title, which they said

1094
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:44,000
they were getting rid of, and then they just created

1095
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,679
an allowed morele to go from his super middleweight regular

1096
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,039
belt to now winning the lion Headwell belt in the

1097
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,800
light heavyweight division, which he'll now have a short period

1098
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,599
of time in which he'll have to notify the WBA

1099
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,159
in through which division he intends to keep the title. Obviously,

1100
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,239
he's going to keep the title at light heavy Wait.

1101
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:03,880
I felt like, you know, it was kind of a

1102
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,920
weird performance from him, because David Merrel is a very

1103
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,360
talented fighter, a good offensive fighter. Didn't seem to have

1104
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,079
a whole lot of snap the other night. You know,

1105
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,079
a hot rod collegiate who was his opponent has been

1106
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,320
knocked out before, but he never really seemed to do

1107
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,679
really any serious serious damage against him. I do suspect

1108
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:21,519
and maybe I'm wrong about this. I'm trying to make

1109
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:25,559
excuse for anybody. At the time that that fight happened, TJ.

1110
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,840
It was so hot outside in Los Angeles and they're

1111
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,840
under the lights and the sun is shining on them

1112
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,559
in the ring. You couldn't escape it. I mean, I

1113
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:35,559
think he was just tired because it would just snaps

1114
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,360
your energy. Now his opponent's in the same boat, but

1115
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:41,760
guys maybe react a little bit differently. It was really

1116
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,840
really hot. It was not a good situation of being

1117
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,360
if you're the fighter. Now, not to say it wasn't

1118
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,519
hot also when the other guys fought in the in

1119
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,920
the subsequent house, but it did when when the sun

1120
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,280
started to go down a little bit, it definitely cooled off,

1121
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,000
you know, considerably in that in that stadium. So I'll

1122
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:01,239
just talk it up to you know what, I got

1123
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,679
my feet wet in the weight class. I still won handily.

1124
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:06,599
It wasn't like there was controversy. Won clearly. I thought

1125
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:08,000
he would do it a little bit more impressively. But

1126
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,440
David Morrell is still a quality guy. I think he

1127
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,159
still has a chance to do a lot of good

1128
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:14,480
things in the in the light heavyweight division. He says

1129
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,400
he wants Benavides, who's now in the light heavyweight division. Als.

1130
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,719
Remember he moved up and fought Vodzick in June, and

1131
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,079
now you got Morell going up in wait to do

1132
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,639
this fight. That he had on Saturday night, so they

1133
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:27,360
I think they should still fight each other. That's a

1134
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,119
PBC fight that could easily be in any of the

1135
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:32,039
kind of cards that they do. It could certainly be

1136
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:33,400
the main event of a card if they want to

1137
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,280
do one like that. They did promoters Samson Lukawitz for

1138
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:42,679
Benavides and Leon Margilize form Warriors Boxing h and Louis

1139
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:46,039
de Couba Senior for David Morrell. They agreed to the

1140
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,800
fight back a while back, and it was and Morell

1141
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,320
was okay with the fight. He wanted that fight. It

1142
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,320
was Benavidez who was having some issues with his promoter

1143
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,599
Samson Lukawitz, who decided not to and they would end

1144
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:57,719
up doing the Dematerius Andre fight instead. So I'm not

1145
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,639
going to tell you that David Benavidez was ducking necessarily,

1146
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:03,039
But the point is that fight is still out there.

1147
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,039
That is a very marquee fight in terms of who's

1148
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,679
under the PBC banner, and I think that fight should happen.

1149
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,760
They both made successful debuts in the light heavyweight division.

1150
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,320
They both won second tier titles. You know, Benavide's won

1151
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,000
an interim title, the undisputed title is taking place later

1152
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:19,039
in the year. The winner of a fight between David

1153
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:23,239
Morrell against David Benavide's would absolutely be like the people's

1154
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,559
commandatory for the winner. And because they're gonna, you know,

1155
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:29,480
because David has the interim title and Merrell has the

1156
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:31,639
regular title, they're going to be in position to be

1157
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:33,840
mandatory for both of those organizations if they were to

1158
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,000
fight each other. So to me, it's a no brainer.

1159
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:37,960
What else is out there? The light heavyweight division is

1160
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,159
good at the top, but the two best guys are

1161
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:43,000
fighting each other. So I think that's a fight that

1162
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,599
you know, it's prize fighting. If you go through that gauntlet,

1163
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,760
you get your eye, you get your opportunity. So but anyway,

1164
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,800
in terms of the fight on Saturday, look Morell, you didn't

1165
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,400
look great, but he did enough. He won the fight

1166
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,519
and he moves on. And in terms of Andy Kruz,

1167
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,760
the lightweight great amateur fighter twenty twenty US Cuban Olympian,

1168
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,280
three time World Amateur Champion, two time Pan American champion,

1169
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:08,880
defeated Kishan Davis, you know and outstanding prospect in his

1170
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,320
own right, defeated him for the gold medal. Actually has

1171
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,360
multiple victories against Kishan in the amateur ranks. I was

1172
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,639
I was a little concerned, and I saw him do

1173
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,039
the shaky leg, you know, get the funny leg there,

1174
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,159
like zab Juda when he got knocked out Bykasazu for

1175
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:24,800
a quick second there, but he recovered. I mean, I

1176
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,519
was like, maybe this is a little bit too much. Again,

1177
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:29,760
he's only in his fourth professional fight. And again, no

1178
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,320
matter how much amateur experience you have and how great

1179
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,480
you are an amateur, it is different fighting as a professional,

1180
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:37,519
no question about it. I mean, I've used a Lomachenko

1181
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,079
example many times, and we just talked about what was

1182
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:40,960
going on with Majimuf.

1183
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: But and look at what happened to a large extent

1184
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,679
to Jared Anderson facing the adversity of a knockdown and

1185
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,519
how did he respond and what happened. I know, you

1186
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:52,639
got a tougher opponent there, but here again adversity, but

1187
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,760
still adversity reveals character. He got buzzed, but he didn't

1188
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,880
let it phase him, and then he got the stoppage cruse.

1189
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,119
Speaker 3: I was talking about the amateur at level because it

1190
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,760
was not the kind of amateur Nadrimov is a decorated

1191
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,159
three hundred plus amateur guy ONEm a Chanko you can

1192
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,400
argue is the greatest amateur of all time. And in

1193
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,440
terms of Andy Kruz, you know, maybe not at the

1194
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,280
absolute Loma Chanko level, but still one of the top

1195
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,360
amateurs ever in terms of his accomplishments. And again he

1196
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,199
goes in with a guy that's got like thirty six

1197
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,159
thirty seven fights in Antonio Moran, who's been in the

1198
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,679
ring with all kinds of quality guys, lost six fights

1199
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:26,599
going into this fight, only got stopped at one time

1200
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,880
by Devin Haney. He's fighting a veteran, you know, a

1201
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,079
true vett maybe not a world title contender, but a

1202
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:34,639
guy that's usually gonna make the guy he's facing work

1203
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,760
for a victory if he is going to get that victory.

1204
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,039
And so in terms of Andy Kruz, he showed the

1205
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,960
grit after he had that that uh, you know, he

1206
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,639
got hurt in that in that early early round. He

1207
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,440
came back and he didn't just you know, get on

1208
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:50,880
his bike and start to revert to that old Cuban style.

1209
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,840
He went after him and he took him out, and

1210
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,440
that's what you do.

1211
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,039
Speaker 1: And he showed little Philly came out. You kept talking

1212
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:58,400
about the Philly jim. A little Philly gim came out

1213
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:58,840
in him.

1214
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: Go get it.

1215
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: While I was in Los Angeles on the multiple occasions,

1216
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,000
I saw Bozyannis had a chance to talk to him

1217
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,719
a little bit about about Andy Kruz, and we were

1218
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,440
talking about and I told him, you know, he said, like,

1219
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,599
what do you think. I said, I'll tell you what

1220
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:13,440
in freshmoun Andy Kruz forget about wins. This is before

1221
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,679
the fight, you know, before we saw what happened. That.

1222
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:20,199
The thing that I like about Andy Kruz is that

1223
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:22,519
he didn't just and it's you know, these guys when

1224
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:24,960
they defect, the road they go on to get here

1225
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,960
is so hard, and you know, they just they got

1226
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,840
their free They can do whatever they want. Now. They

1227
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,039
can go where they want, They can align with whoever

1228
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:34,400
they want. No one's going to tell them how they

1229
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,079
have to train or where they have to train. But

1230
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:38,960
instead of going to the Cuban culture in South Florida

1231
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,639
or going with like an Ishmael Salas in Nevada and

1232
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:45,400
sticking with another Cuban coach, he was determined to to

1233
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,440
take the skills and the excellent background he has as

1234
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,119
an amateur fighter and add to that by becoming more

1235
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:53,119
of a pro style fighter, because not only does he

1236
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:55,119
want to be a great fighter, but he wants to

1237
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:57,519
appeal to the fans, and that helps you make the

1238
00:53:57,519 --> 00:54:00,719
bigger money and create that kind of legacy, you know,

1239
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,320
if you can put that in combination with winning titles

1240
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,159
and big fights. So he went to a place where

1241
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,199
he's gonna be turned into a pro style fighter, and

1242
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,119
you saw that on Saturday. He doesn't run and move

1243
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:13,760
around like crazy. He sits down on his punches, and

1244
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,480
he's learning that from Bozyannas if you can survive the

1245
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,360
type of sparring and the type of guys that they

1246
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,800
have in those Philly gyms. I mean, he even spars

1247
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,880
with Geron Ennis sometimes if a guy doesn't show up,

1248
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,199
you know, he's spars with with Ennis, who's a welterweight.

1249
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:28,280
I was talking to Bozy about that. I said, they've

1250
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,559
had some good sparring together, even though you know they're

1251
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:32,920
not going all out on each other, obviously because Gion

1252
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,199
is so much bigger. I'm just making the point that mentally, Uh,

1253
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,079
in terms of desire cruises in the right spot and

1254
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,039
he and he and that some of that came out

1255
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,559
in the way he finished ran by overcoming some difficult moments.

1256
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,440
I thought it was a it was a great learning

1257
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,280
experience for him. He's going to be a better pro

1258
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,280
because he went through that difficult moment.

1259
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: Realistically, how soon is soon enough for Cruise to get

1260
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,760
a title shot? Do you think he needs a couple

1261
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,320
of more fights? Do you think we're looking at maybe

1262
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,000
early twenty twenty five, middle of twenty twenty five much right?

1263
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,199
Speaker 3: I think if he could get the opportunity literally in

1264
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,360
his next fight, he could win a title in his

1265
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,960
next fight. But interesting, again, you're not going to that opportunity.

1266
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:15,800
It's dependent upon you know who's available and who you

1267
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,960
can fight. But I'm not going to tell you he's

1268
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:21,679
ready to fight anybody. But he can handle himself against anybody.

1269
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:23,519
In my opinion, I'm not saying he would necessarily win,

1270
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,599
but he would not be out of his depths against

1271
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,039
anybody in the weight class. So if you just take

1272
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:30,960
a quick look at the division, Shaquurte Stevenson's the WBC champion,

1273
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,960
tremendous defensive fighter, but in some ways has some similarities

1274
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,559
to Andy Kruz with that amateur career. I believe that

1275
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:42,519
that Andy Kruz would would become competitive tomorrow against the course.

1276
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:45,079
Stevenson's not saying he would win, but it's not a blowout.

1277
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:49,920
Dennis Brentchik, an Olympic medalist, also a little bit older.

1278
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:54,320
He would be in that fight now. Lomachenko, they're talking

1279
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,519
about the greatest amateur maybe ever, but he's in the

1280
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:58,639
in the twilight out of his career. That's a hard

1281
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:00,920
fight for a lot of different reasons. And Tank Davis

1282
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,079
he's probably not ready for that. But I'm making a

1283
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:04,760
We're talking about a kid with four and oh not

1284
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,400
really a kid because he's twenty eight now, but in

1285
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,159
terms of his amateur you know, making that transition into

1286
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:13,599
the pros, he still early on. Uh, he could compete

1287
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,480
with the champions going into his fifth professional fight in

1288
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:19,440
my opinion. But you're not going to get that opportunity. Yeah,

1289
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,039
but it's you're not going to take a long time.

1290
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see him fight another fight. There's me

1291
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,280
just saying this and then maybe or maybe two more

1292
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,840
fights and then maybe and I closer.

1293
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: If we can get our friends that bet you has

1294
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,000
to put up a number. I would definitely bet that

1295
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,639
Andy Kruse fights a world title before his tenth professional fight.

1296
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,639
Speaker 1: Oh, I would bet it's before the eighth. I even

1297
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:42,519
go lower than that. I think you could get a

1298
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:44,119
title fight in his six or seventh fight.

1299
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,159
Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see his.

1300
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:48,039
Speaker 3: Rod his like this, tej. I will agree on this.

1301
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,239
His road to a title shot is not based on

1302
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,480
his ability. It's based on availability.

1303
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: True.

1304
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,199
Speaker 1: I uh, why don't we do this? We got some

1305
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,079
news and nostalgia coming up. But speaking of available, he

1306
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:00,840
was available, and you talk with him about that for

1307
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,760
a Seguey, Virgil Ortiz is back, coming this Saturday night

1308
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,000
in Las Vegas, and he is fighting for a title.

1309
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:12,960
That's sir, hey, bullet Chuck's interim title at one hundred

1310
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,679
and fifty four pounds. Here again, what else is on

1311
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,559
the line for Virgil Ortiz, we'll talk about. But this

1312
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:22,000
is the interim WBC Junior middleweight title on the line,

1313
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,400
or tees bullet Chuck for twelve rounds. But you don't

1314
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,840
have to wait for fight week, as we love to

1315
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,880
keep saying in the press conferences and all that. Here

1316
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,400
from Virgil Ortiz about his return, right here, right now.

1317
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: It is my great pleasure to welcome back as a

1318
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,199
guest WOR Podcast once again. Top junior middleweight contender in

1319
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:41,440
the world, Virgil Ortiz Junior, Virgil, thank you so much

1320
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,159
for being on with me today. I really appreciate it.

1321
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:44,199
We have a lot to discuss.

1322
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 4: How have you been, Yeah, we do, man, Thanks for

1323
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,079
having me on. First of all, I've been I've been

1324
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,639
really good man. You know, chain has been going well.

1325
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:53,519
Now this year has been great for me. This is

1326
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:57,320
my third fight this year and everything's going good. Everything's

1327
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,159
going as we expected.

1328
00:57:58,239 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: We're going to get into all that, so we'll let

1329
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,320
the folks. No, you have a I would guess actually

1330
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,760
from the stakes anyway standpoint, maybe even the competition standpoint,

1331
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:08,880
the biggest and best and toughest fight on paper anyway

1332
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,199
of your career. You're going to take on the WBC

1333
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,559
interim JERM middleweight title holder Sarry Bochek in a really

1334
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:17,960
interesting fight in my opinion anyway, you'll fight him on

1335
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,960
August to tenth. It'll be the Golden Boy main event

1336
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,320
on his own at one of my all time favorite

1337
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,840
venues in the in boxing in the world, Mandalay Bay,

1338
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,480
the michelob Ultra Arena. I know it's been a long

1339
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:32,119
time coming for you to get a fight like this,

1340
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:34,719
But I gotta go back and discuss how it got

1341
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,159
to this point. It's a great matchup starting off, go ahead,

1342
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:43,840
not glady, I was gonna say. Originally, your next fight

1343
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,800
was supposed to be what was a fantastic fight that

1344
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,079
everybody seemed to be awfully excited about against him Zoo

1345
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,920
for the WBA interim title at one hundred and fifty

1346
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,199
four pounds. They were going to put that on the

1347
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:58,199
big August third card in Los Angeles, the first ever

1348
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,800
riadd Seasons card in the United States. A huge card,

1349
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,960
you know, Terrence Crawford in the main event fighting for

1350
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,599
the WBA full title against Madromov in the main event,

1351
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:10,880
and just a loaded show. But to many people, Virgil,

1352
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,800
your fight with Zoo was the best fight on paper

1353
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,400
on that card. And then we know what happened. Zoo

1354
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,599
had the injury, the cut from the previous fight in

1355
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:21,400
March against Fandora. He was ruled out by his doctor

1356
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,639
and so that fight was off. And then there was

1357
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:25,440
a lot of sort of talk, you know, he'll stay

1358
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,239
on the card, They'll find a different opponent for you.

1359
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,239
That didn't happen. So I want to just hear from you,

1360
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,320
like sort of like the emotional roller coaster you're on

1361
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,679
in this great matchup. Your opponent's out, maybe you're gonna stay.

1362
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:38,920
Now you're off the card, They're gonna try to get

1363
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,440
you a new opponent. Now you have a new date.

1364
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:43,440
Now you're fighting Boachek for a different version of the

1365
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,480
interim title. Was it a little bit of up and

1366
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:47,199
down for you over the couple of weeks that was

1367
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:47,519
going on.

1368
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, it's uh throughout my career, bunting, my

1369
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,800
ups and downs, and at this point, I'm not really

1370
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,480
surprised about any of it anymore. It's just just how

1371
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,159
the sport is, and uh, things can happen. So I

1372
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,679
kind of, honestly, I kind of expected it, Like I

1373
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:09,679
didn't want to get my hopes too high, because you know,

1374
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:12,360
I tend to get disappointed, you know, Like I was

1375
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,000
supposed to fight We were in talk spot to fight

1376
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:19,159
Thurman one time. Man, I was super excited about that one,

1377
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:23,360
and you know, it didn't end up happening. I don't

1378
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,559
think I've ever said this before, but those even talks

1379
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:30,480
of many Packyard at one time, and I was when

1380
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,119
I was the I don't know when it was. I

1381
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:35,719
was the WBA Gold and he was the WBA Champions too,

1382
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,679
and so the talks, very low talks, but you know

1383
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:42,440
that ignited like some kind of hope in me.

1384
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,079
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this could actually.

1385
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:44,199
Speaker 3: Happen, you know.

1386
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,039
Speaker 4: And of course it didn't happen, obviously, but uh, you know,

1387
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:51,559
I think I've gone through these uh these really highs

1388
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:53,480
and after the highest the low because.

1389
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,039
Speaker 2: You know, it didn't happen.

1390
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm just like, man, you know what, I'm just if

1391
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,880
it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, I'm just gonna

1392
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,719
I'm just gonna keep it with my things. So with

1393
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,559
this Tims You thing, uh, you know, I was really excited.

1394
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:09,199
I was happy that, you know, his excellency. Uh you know,

1395
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,199
he was like, hey, we'll like you on the card,

1396
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,840
and uh what about the Tims You fight. I'm like, shit,

1397
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,599
hey do the Tims fight. But back in in the

1398
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:21,760
back of my head, I was just like, something could happen.

1399
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1400
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:26,119
Speaker 4: He just had a horrible cut, and I thought about

1401
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:28,719
that exact same you know that you know, that thing

1402
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,559
that that could potentially prevent the fight from happening, and

1403
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:35,480
that's what it ended it up to be. Uh, as

1404
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,599
far as now, we've got a big fight the WBC

1405
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,079
interim with Sergi, you know, and uh, it's it's gonna

1406
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,519
be a good fight. You know, we should spark a lot. So, uh,

1407
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,039
I know exactly what kind of fight it's gonna be.

1408
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: Well, we'll get to that, but you can start by

1409
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:51,559
telling me what kind of fight is it gonna be?

1410
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:53,039
When you say that, I'm intrigued.

1411
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 4: There's it's gonna be close quarters the whole time. There's

1412
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:59,559
there's gonna be no boxing.

1413
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:04,719
Speaker 3: Well, the way you described your situation, it seems to

1414
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:08,320
me that in the years of your career you've grown

1415
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,119
some wisdom, like you kind of it seems like you

1416
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:13,920
were able to more maintain and even keel because of

1417
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,000
there's so many emotional ups and downs with fights that

1418
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,440
are made not made, injuries, cancelations, postponements. Do you feel

1419
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,760
like that any of the stuff that comes your way

1420
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,360
you can deal with now with, you know, whatever it

1421
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,079
may be when it comes to that type of situation.

1422
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I think I don't want to say I've

1423
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,840
been through it all, you know, I can't say that,

1424
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:34,280
but I think I've been through my fair share. I

1425
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,280
think I'm mentally prepared for everything at this point.

1426
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: What was it like when you thought that, you know,

1427
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:42,880
you're off the August third card. There were still conversations

1428
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,519
going on because I think Golden Boy and Boachuk's promoter

1429
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,519
Tom Loeffler, I think a lot of the fans and

1430
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,119
media were like, yeah, I mean, okay, I'm not really

1431
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,400
sure why the Saudis didn't want to include that particular fight,

1432
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,079
even if maybe it wasn't the same name recognition as

1433
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,400
at tim Zuo, where you were sort of in that

1434
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,000
limbo area where you weren't sure if they were going

1435
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:00,599
to make that fight for you or maybe other fight.

1436
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,079
You know, it can get your own date. Obviously, Disown

1437
01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:05,400
and Golden Boy work together, so they've been featuring you know,

1438
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,880
you and other fighters on Golden Boys, So that didn't

1439
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,239
really seem to be the issue. But were you concerned

1440
01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:12,760
at all that you would have another longer layoff because

1441
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,159
of what happened with the post moment or cancelation of

1442
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:15,800
the Zoo fight.

1443
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:18,559
Speaker 4: I don't think so, because you know, we did have

1444
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:20,719
some options, you know, and you know we will with

1445
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,480
Sir Hey, which I believe is the hardest option that

1446
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:25,079
we could have went with, you know, but I feel

1447
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:29,360
like it's the one with the most opportunity, and you know,

1448
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,079
that's that's one that we chose to go. And uh,

1449
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:34,239
you know, I'm not one to shy away from a

1450
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,800
hard fight. You know, this is exciting for me.

1451
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:38,119
Speaker 3: This is why I'm in the sport.

1452
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: You know.

1453
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,239
Speaker 4: I want to give the heart. I want to give

1454
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,039
the exciting fights. I want to be a part of them.

1455
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:46,760
That's what motivates me to chain, you know. And I

1456
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,440
mean that's it. I mean, I just want to I

1457
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,000
just want to show down the best because I believe

1458
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:53,280
I am.

1459
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 3: So when you go in this, in this fight, and

1460
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,320
even if you had gone in the fight with Zoo,

1461
01:03:57,519 --> 01:03:59,280
You're gonna be fighting for an intern world title. It's

1462
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,960
not a full world time, but it's obviously a little

1463
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,599
more meaningful than no title. What is your position on

1464
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:04,760
sort of and what does it mean to you that

1465
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,199
it's an interim title. Some guys are like they love it.

1466
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,920
Some guys realize it's a stepping stone to a big title.

1467
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:13,119
You know, certain guys we've seen in recent times. I

1468
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:15,679
just interviewed Boots and it's not that long ago he

1469
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:19,800
he was elevated from interim to full and walterwait because

1470
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,119
Crawford moved up and wasn't going to fight him. So

1471
01:04:22,159 --> 01:04:25,000
what's your take on the interim aspect of these title fights?

1472
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 4: So I am grateful for the opportunity, for sure. You know,

1473
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:33,079
it's it's a belt. It's just because it's an insterroim

1474
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:36,559
doesn't mean nothing. But would I recognize myself as a

1475
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:40,800
world champion, No, because you know, that's just you're the

1476
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,760
vice president. You know, just because you're the vice president.

1477
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,239
Speaker 3: You're not, by the way, president. I've been doing this

1478
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,599
a long time, man, I have written about interim title

1479
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:50,639
fights and interview guys a thousands. I have never heard

1480
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:53,119
anybody refer to it as the vice president. That is

1481
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:55,519
absolutely perfect. We perfectly said.

1482
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:58,199
Speaker 4: That's that's how it is. You'r the vice president. You know,

1483
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,239
like you know, when when people think of the president

1484
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,039
of the United States, you can you know, corredate that

1485
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:06,679
like the world champion. We don't think of Kamala Harris

1486
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,199
or Joe Biden when it was Obama. You know, that's

1487
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,800
just not to bring politics into it, that's just how

1488
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,079
you know. So anyways, uh, you know, I don't. I

1489
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:18,280
don't bring anyone down when I say that. Just for me,

1490
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:21,800
I just I won't be satisfied until I have the

1491
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:22,559
actual title.

1492
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: Now, you mentioned that you and sorry bull check of

1493
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,159
sparring sessions together. Is it a lot of rounds or

1494
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:29,800
a little rounds or like, how how much do you

1495
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,280
know him from the ring experience with him? And then

1496
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,599
you know, not a real fight, obviously, but just in

1497
01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:36,599
a sparring session, a lot a lot of rounds with him.

1498
01:05:37,679 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 4: We've we've gone a few rounds. He actually not only

1499
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:42,519
you know, when I was with Manny Roebliz over there

1500
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:45,360
was I sparing him, but he actually got me ready

1501
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:46,960
for the.

1502
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 3: Mean machine fight. Okay.

1503
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 4: He came from South A to Riverside when I was

1504
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,559
still at Roberts and we were sparring there too, So

1505
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:56,079
I'm very familiar.

1506
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: With him, and of course that means he's familiar with you.

1507
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,920
But you're twenty one to know what twenty one knockout.

1508
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,960
He's twenty four and one with twenty three knockouts. Not

1509
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:05,800
a lot of distant fights when it comes to you, guys,

1510
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,159
First of all, you know, I know that it's not

1511
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,119
a full actual fight, but you must feel some power.

1512
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,400
I guess, if he's got that many knockouts, what kind

1513
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,800
of punching power does he has? From your recollection? Because

1514
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,599
he does have so many knockouts, you're both obviously punchers.

1515
01:06:22,159 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 4: I would I wouldn't say that his knockouts come from power.

1516
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:31,599
He does have some. It's more consistent. You know, he

1517
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:34,119
has a really good conditioning. I would just say it's

1518
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,639
the pressure. Yeah, I feel like the main reason.

1519
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 3: Now when you go into the ring, you do have it.

1520
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,440
As I mentioned, the perfect knockout record. I wonder when

1521
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,960
you get to the point where you're twenty one to

1522
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,360
oher and you got twenty one knockouts, is it all

1523
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,840
in the back of your mind or meaningful to you

1524
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,440
to continue the knockout streak?

1525
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 4: Well? You know, sometimes I do think about it before

1526
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,960
the fight, but when I'm in the fight, I'm just thinking,

1527
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:01,559
all right, how am I gonna avoid this?

1528
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 3: How am I gonna wear that? How am I going

1529
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:03,360
to get to him?

1530
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:03,559
Speaker 2: You know?

1531
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 4: And then it just comes into play. And then next thing,

1532
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,639
you know, if I see an opportunity, I just I

1533
01:07:08,719 --> 01:07:09,599
just I jump.

1534
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 3: On it, all right. So when you guys were the

1535
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,559
fight got announced and then on July eleventh, the day

1536
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:19,239
that Golden Boy had arranged for the press conference for

1537
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,400
you and Boltchak to kick things off. Right before the

1538
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,000
press conference, Golden Boy announced that you and the company

1539
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,280
had agreed to a contract extension to keep you with

1540
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,639
Golden Boy for the next period of time. How how

1541
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:33,760
did that? I mean, it got done, I guess kind

1542
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,760
of quick relative to when the fight was announced to

1543
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:37,920
Is this something that was being worked on for a while,

1544
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,400
And just how do you feel about having that sort

1545
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,039
of stability and that your business situation is handled before

1546
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,440
this big fight for you? Yeah, of course.

1547
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,599
Speaker 4: I mean we knew that the previous contract was coming

1548
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:50,880
to a close, and we're just thinking, okay, so like

1549
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,039
how are we doing this? You know, like just talking

1550
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,159
to Golden Boy, like you know, what's up? And it

1551
01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:58,639
took some time. I wouldn't say it took a whole

1552
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:00,719
lot of time, not like it took a lot of convincing,

1553
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,400
because you know, we work well with each other. You know,

1554
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:07,400
it's just ironing out, you know, the small things. And

1555
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:13,599
I mean, I'm, like I said before, I'm very happy

1556
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:17,840
to be here. Goldaway has always treated me in the

1557
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,680
best way. I'm very happy here and why would I

1558
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:22,359
go anywhere else?

1559
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 3: No, I just wanted to ask because it's it's, uh,

1560
01:08:25,119 --> 01:08:27,279
you know, in sports in general, whether it's boxer otherwise.

1561
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:30,520
Some people like yourself, they they don't necessarily think the

1562
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,159
grass is greener, and they're comfortable with their circumstance. They

1563
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,840
got themselves a deal they're happy with financially, and whatever

1564
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,600
else goes along with that. Other guys, like other sports,

1565
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,279
want to test the market and see what else is

1566
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:42,319
out there for them. So I'd always want to sort

1567
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,760
of gauge the mentality of the athlete of what they're thinking.

1568
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:46,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, true.

1569
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. Unfortunately, here for me, I was very fortunate to

1570
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:52,119
you know, find a great promoter and all that stuff,

1571
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:54,640
you know, and it's just, uh, it really is a

1572
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:55,600
blessing to be here.

1573
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:58,199
Speaker 3: I feel, like Virgil, it's sort of like the opposite

1574
01:08:58,239 --> 01:08:59,840
of what we had talked about in a couple previous

1575
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,640
time when we've done interviews where unfortunately we had to

1576
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,439
talk about, you know, no fights in twenty twenty three

1577
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,479
because you had the medical issues and the postponements and

1578
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,319
the ultimate cancelation of the amount to stanions fight just

1579
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,079
the one fight in twenty twenty two. Now fast forward

1580
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:16,079
to where you are sitting here today. You're one of

1581
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:18,039
the busiest top names in the sport. You got two

1582
01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:20,720
fights under your belt already in twenty twenty four. You

1583
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,479
got a third fight that we're talking about here against

1584
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,720
Bochek coming up on August tenth. How does it feel

1585
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,600
for you now to finally be like it feels like

1586
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:33,479
in a groove, regular fights, irregular activity, you know, fight,

1587
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:36,159
take a little time off, training camp, get a fight,

1588
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:37,840
get paid, you know, all the things that go along

1589
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,119
with it.

1590
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 4: It feels really good, man. And I'll tell you what

1591
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,119
I think. The thing I like the most about it

1592
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:48,279
is the activity is keeping me sharp. Like sometimes I

1593
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,159
will go back to the gym and I'm like, goddamn,

1594
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:53,520
like I'm rusty as hell, Like I don't make these mistakes,

1595
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,399
you know, But when I go back to the gym,

1596
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,439
I'm just like, damn, like I feel like I haven't,

1597
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,520
like I didn't take any time off, and I'm just

1598
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:02,399
I'm sharp as ever.

1599
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:03,319
Speaker 2: Like this.

1600
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 4: I could give me like two weeks of conditioning and

1601
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:06,920
I'll go another tour ground.

1602
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,359
Speaker 3: But I'm like, like fair to say, you don't need

1603
01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:11,119
as long as a training camp you don't need like

1604
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,520
ten weeks if you've already fought and you've been active.

1605
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:14,039
Am I wrong?

1606
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 4: That's kind of a hard one.

1607
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 3: I say that because partly part of training camp. You

1608
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:25,600
know you're making the weight if you've if you fought recently,

1609
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,319
you know you don't have that much time to go

1610
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:29,640
crazy in terms of moving, you know, going up and

1611
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,520
in the weight and and you're and you're just like

1612
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,279
you say, you stay sharp, you stay conditioned.

1613
01:10:34,039 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as as far as that you know,

1614
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,399
the physical aspect, No, I'm good. And you know even

1615
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,840
mentally the mental clarity is still there, and uh it is.

1616
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,520
It's getting better as as I'm staying more active.

1617
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 3: So we talked about the activity. So the two fights

1618
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,800
you had were Frederick Lawson and then you had to

1619
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,359
fight with Thomas Lormet. So on the good hand, it

1620
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:54,199
seems like you're as active as can be relative to

1621
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,199
the other names in this you know, the top names.

1622
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,000
And maybe it's bad, maybe it's good. You tell me,

1623
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,359
just do you're not in the first round. I mean, obviously,

1624
01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:03,159
as the old saying goes, you don't get paid for overtime,

1625
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:04,399
and it's always good to get a big win and

1626
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:07,199
get a knockout, but it is only less than two

1627
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,279
full rounds? Is that a positive or negative? As you

1628
01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:11,279
go into this fight, so.

1629
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 4: You could you could see it both ways. I see

1630
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,840
it as a positive pace. The first one we came

1631
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,680
up for a long way off. We needed to see

1632
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,680
how how if I was still the same or not.

1633
01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:25,159
You know, I felt pretty rusty physically and mentally. But

1634
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:27,079
you know what, we we got a good training campaign,

1635
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:29,399
I got some good sparring. Uh, and we got that

1636
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,960
fight out of the way. Soma's the lord man. You

1637
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,880
know this fight, I felt I was starting for myself,

1638
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:37,720
kind of getting into that group again. Not quite there,

1639
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,079
but like you know what, I'm I'm I'm feeling better.

1640
01:11:40,079 --> 01:11:41,079
Speaker 2: This is seeming kind.

1641
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 3: Of familiar again.

1642
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:45,359
Speaker 2: And uh, when when we find him, I was.

1643
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 4: Expecting to go In my opinion, I thought the fight

1644
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,800
was going to end like in four five rounds. But

1645
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:55,600
I was just when I got him out of there

1646
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,399
in that first round without trying to, and I saw

1647
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,720
everything in so motion. I just hitting with that body

1648
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,439
shot like okay, yeah, that's where I'm back.

1649
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 2: Like that's it.

1650
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,039
Speaker 4: And now that I've started this camp, definitely feel like

1651
01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:10,079
I haven't left the gym at all, it's I'm the best.

1652
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,119
Speaker 3: I've ever been. Well on your fight with Thomas Lormee,

1653
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:15,199
who I've known for many years and have nothing but

1654
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:18,000
love for Thomas Lommey, a great guy. My prediction on

1655
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:20,159
that fight was Virgil Ortiz in the first round, So

1656
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:21,800
I feel like I did a pretty good job on

1657
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,479
that one. So now that you've had the two fights

1658
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,640
that we mentioned, you got this fight coming up with Bolchek.

1659
01:12:29,079 --> 01:12:30,920
If everything goes how you hope it goes, and you

1660
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,199
win this fight, it's only gonna be August. There's still

1661
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:35,600
plenty of time left this year. Are we going to

1662
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,960
see Virgil Ortiz in the ring a fourth time in

1663
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,800
twenty twenty four? Yeah, that was a quick answer.

1664
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1665
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, then the question becomes, I mean, I know

1666
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,439
you got to fight the fight, and it's uh, you know,

1667
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:50,479
you know that's what's right in front of you. But

1668
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,560
you're a weight class. You know, August third, the week

1669
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,439
before you fight, you're gonna have Crawford Madgemov a good

1670
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,560
chance at you know, Crawford is crowned the champion if

1671
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,560
it's made Mov. He's pulled the humongous upset and he

1672
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,159
becomes a big name. You still got Fundora out there,

1673
01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:05,159
who's gonna come back from his issues, probably at the

1674
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:07,520
end of the year. Uh Tim Zuo is gonna be

1675
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,279
ready to fight at some point. You know. Just because

1676
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:10,880
he can't go in August doesn't mean he can't fight

1677
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:14,199
at some point later in the year. There's the IBF champion,

1678
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:16,199
not the most well known guy in terms of Martazla,

1679
01:13:16,319 --> 01:13:17,960
But like, what in your mind is like, if you

1680
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,039
could pick your fight, what would you want to do after.

1681
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 4: This, either Tim Zoo or the winner of Fundora and

1682
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,039
uh Spence if they if they fight. I'm just yeah,

1683
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:33,960
that's I've been here in rumors, but I've always wanted

1684
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,720
to fight Spence in the Cowboy Stadium.

1685
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 3: And that's and I always.

1686
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:39,279
Speaker 4: Say it had that one fifty four. It's not gonna

1687
01:13:39,319 --> 01:13:41,520
have that one forty seven. I already know one four.

1688
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,920
I'm telling you, I'm I'm calling it. It's it's gonna happen.

1689
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 3: And both of you guys being you know, from the

1690
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,760
Dallas area, that would probably do a big crowd, A

1691
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,159
and a and a you know a lot of fans

1692
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:51,399
that would turn out for that kind of fight. Yeah,

1693
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,039
of course, exactly be a huge fight. All right. So

1694
01:13:54,079 --> 01:13:55,439
before I let you go, I got to ask you.

1695
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,079
With Boachak, you know you are familiar with each other. Uh.

1696
01:13:58,119 --> 01:14:01,000
You both guys have accomplishments and in great records and

1697
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:03,640
lots of knockouts. How do you think this fight goes?

1698
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,840
Are we going to see another classic Virgil Ortiz knockout

1699
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:06,119
or what.

1700
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 4: You're gonna see a brutal fight. That's so I'm gonna say,

1701
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,359
I know how he fights, we know how I fight.

1702
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,000
It's it's uh, it's gonna be a brutal fight.

1703
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,039
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you this when I just thought of this,

1704
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:20,399
when you said it's gonna be a brutal fight. You're

1705
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:22,680
fighting in the Mandalay Bay. Uh, the arena at the

1706
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,640
Mandala Bay. That's the location of where I think the

1707
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,239
greatest fight of all time took place. Do you want to

1708
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:29,159
talk about a brutal fight? The first fight between Diego

1709
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:32,319
Carlis and Jose Lewis Castilla was in that in that ring.

1710
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

1711
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to deliver that kind

1712
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,840
of group brutal fight. But when you when you hear,

1713
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,000
when you when you see and think about the types

1714
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,319
of great fights that have been there. You know, your promoter,

1715
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:43,600
Oscar de Laya had one of his greatest fights, one

1716
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,199
of his biggest wins, against Fernando Vargas in that ring.

1717
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,840
Among other great fights, Marco, Antonio Beerera and Eric Morales

1718
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,000
fought in that ring. You know, Manny Paco fought in

1719
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,079
that ring. What does that make you feel like when

1720
01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:56,279
you hear the names and the greats that fought there.

1721
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 4: You know, history repeats it stuff. You know it's it's

1722
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,800
gonna be a classic. You know for sure, it's gonna

1723
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,760
be one of those fights you watched in twenty years, like, damn, yeah,

1724
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:03,640
this one doesn't get over.

1725
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited just hearing you talk about that, Virgil,

1726
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,520
thank you so much for your time. I wish he's

1727
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,760
such a good success in that fight and I look

1728
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,079
forward to watching.

1729
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,279
Speaker 4: It, of course, Thank you man, Thanks for having me.

1730
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,079
Speaker 1: All right, a lot of intrigue because he scores a

1731
01:15:18,079 --> 01:15:20,600
lot of knockouts. And you even said it earlier in

1732
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,560
this pod. You did the interview with him before we

1733
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,079
knew the result with Terrence Crawford, although he was likely

1734
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:28,680
going to win, Could this guy end up being a

1735
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:29,640
Crawford opponent?

1736
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,279
Speaker 2: Maybe?

1737
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,079
Speaker 1: Is he in for another big time fight besides Crawford

1738
01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:34,960
at one fifty four.

1739
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: What about Virgil Ortiz as we hit the fight week.

1740
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like you said, I talked to him

1741
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,640
before we knew the result of the Terrence Crawford fight

1742
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,720
against Magimov. But without question, and it was spoken about

1743
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:49,079
at the postfight press conference by Eddie Hearn and others

1744
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,079
that one of the things that Turkey would like to

1745
01:15:52,079 --> 01:15:55,119
see if he can't make the Canelo Alvarez fight. Now,

1746
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:57,600
remember Eddie doesn't promote Virgil Ortiz or Terrence, but he

1747
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,000
was asked the question at the press carts and obviously, yeah,

1748
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:03,319
the year of Turkey al Chikh, So you know, he said, yeah, listen,

1749
01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:04,920
that's the fight that they would like to say, I'd

1750
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,199
like to make again if they can't make the Canelo fight,

1751
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:08,920
then if you take a look at the landscape in

1752
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,039
the weight class, Terrence Crawford against Virgil Artis, if he

1753
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:14,560
comes off a big win against Boa check or or

1754
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,439
and you know, in another possibility, let's say, would be

1755
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,159
like if Tim Zu who's gonna fight in September, that

1756
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:21,439
would be another possibility. But the two guys that would

1757
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,760
make for probably the most higher profile fight as well

1758
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,479
as entertaining fight would be Terrence Crawford against Virgil or

1759
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,199
against Tim Zu or remember Tim Zu and Virgil, We're

1760
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:33,079
supposed to fight each other on the card on Saturday Night,

1761
01:16:33,119 --> 01:16:36,079
but because of the scalp injury that Zoo was not

1762
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,600
healed yet, that was not happening, so they just went

1763
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,840
and did their own date with Bowchuk and Tim is

1764
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,640
going to fight in September on you know, in Australia.

1765
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,439
But yeah, Virgil Artis has a rot a lot riding

1766
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,359
on Saturday, as does Bochick obviously, but we're talking about

1767
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,520
Virgil more particular because he's the bigger name and where

1768
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,560
that's the guy just interviewed. This is an opportunity for

1769
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,279
him to not only claim the interim belt, put himself

1770
01:16:59,279 --> 01:17:03,760
in a mandatory position, but also keep winning and put

1771
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,000
himself in a spot because now he's on the radar

1772
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:09,399
of Turkey to get some type of significant fight. So,

1773
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,439
you know, is it out of the realm of possibility

1774
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,640
that he winds up on Let's say, I'm making this

1775
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,159
up like he could be maybe on the December on

1776
01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:19,960
the undercard in Saudi Arabia when Fury and Usik have

1777
01:17:20,039 --> 01:17:22,039
their rematch. Oscar de la Waite, who is this promoter,

1778
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:24,880
was there at the stadium last night. He's had conversations

1779
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,199
with Turkey about different things. He's been a guest of

1780
01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:29,159
Turkey's at at least one of the cards that took

1781
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:33,319
place in Saudi Arabia last year. So there's a lot

1782
01:17:33,319 --> 01:17:35,239
of possibilities for Virgin r Tis without question.

1783
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:39,199
Speaker 1: All right, So again that is his fight week this week,

1784
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:40,960
coming in Las Vegas.

1785
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 3: That's gonna be a good fight ToJ main event.

1786
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 2: Will be previewing it later in the week.

1787
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,039
Speaker 1: Some news, Okay, there were all kinds of people there

1788
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:53,960
last night. Eminem in concert by the way, Rayfield, how

1789
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,359
were you doing when they dim the lights? I know

1790
01:17:55,399 --> 01:17:56,760
they still have the lights on in the press box.

1791
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,479
You were trying to do your work, trying to get

1792
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,640
a story done. Eminem was rock out. I was texting you,

1793
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,359
my god, can we get the main event in the ring?

1794
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,319
I know I'm discussing man, old man, get off my lawn, guy,

1795
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:09,760
but can we get the main event in the ring

1796
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:11,520
before one am Eastern time?

1797
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 3: Let's discuss that for just a question.

1798
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 2: Let's discuss yes, let's please discuss that.

1799
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Okay, I like the fact that they that

1800
01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:21,760
not just what happened with the Saudi card on Saturday,

1801
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,600
but any promoter that puts on a big cart. That's deep.

1802
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,840
That's you get value for money if you buy the

1803
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,039
pay per view or if you buy a ticket. All

1804
01:18:29,119 --> 01:18:31,479
that so done and knock in that, But can we

1805
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,319
learn to pace the show a little bit better? There

1806
01:18:34,319 --> 01:18:36,880
were such long breaks through some of these fights. I know,

1807
01:18:37,039 --> 01:18:40,279
I mean it was it was like interminable. Now. I

1808
01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:42,239
get there was gonna we all knew going in there

1809
01:18:42,279 --> 01:18:45,079
was gonna be about a half an hour between the

1810
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:47,159
end of the co feature and the start of the main.

1811
01:18:47,079 --> 01:18:49,279
Speaker 2: Event, about about a half an hour.

1812
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,119
Speaker 3: How long, I don't even know how long it was.

1813
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:53,359
I just know I think it.

1814
01:18:53,319 --> 01:18:56,359
Speaker 1: Was closer to like an hour and twenty minutes, just

1815
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,920
because of the uh. I was busy working, so I

1816
01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:03,640
understand it was at least an hour because of the

1817
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:08,520
shameless how shall we just say, fawning all over Turkey

1818
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,800
ala chic ceremonies in the ring, and then we had

1819
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,000
to dim the lights for the concert, and that went

1820
01:19:14,039 --> 01:19:18,119
on and then and then we had to do the

1821
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:20,520
ring walks with all the build up, and then all

1822
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,079
the anthems. It was easily forty five minutes, if not

1823
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:26,000
an hour in between co features.

1824
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,399
Speaker 3: So when that was happening, yeah, I was actually very

1825
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,239
focused and intently writing my story about the pit bull fight.

1826
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:33,319
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

1827
01:19:33,319 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 3: So I was kind of like, uh, you know, blocked

1828
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:37,840
a lot of that out. I mean I saw it

1829
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:38,319
was were.

1830
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:40,560
Speaker 2: You tapping your foot to lose yourself at the end.

1831
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:43,279
Speaker 3: I actually stopped. I did stop that because I liked

1832
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:45,439
that song. I've heard. I've seen it as a walk

1833
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,640
in song for a fights many times. It's a cool song.

1834
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:49,640
So I did. I did stop at that point to

1835
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,039
sort of pay attention to perk up. Uh. So it

1836
01:19:52,079 --> 01:19:53,880
was cool. I can't come. You know. When I got home,

1837
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,560
I said, you know, I said to my son, I said,

1838
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,359
you know I saw last night. Says no, he said,

1839
01:19:57,399 --> 01:19:59,760
I saw Eminem. He goes, really, you know Swemms. He's

1840
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,159
eleven years old, but he knows who I'm an ms. Right, So, uh,

1841
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:04,319
it was that was cool. I didn't I didn't mind that.

1842
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,840
But again, if you know you're going to have a

1843
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,760
break for the concert, which was always built into the

1844
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,600
timing sheet, can we move shit along a little bit?

1845
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,920
I mean it's just it gets interminable, and I get

1846
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,880
they want to talk about this and talk about that.

1847
01:20:17,039 --> 01:20:20,640
My perspective is this, once the event has started, the

1848
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,840
pay per view has been purchased, you're not there's nobody

1849
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,840
to sell it to anymore. They're either going to buy

1850
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,800
it or they're not your words. They're not going to

1851
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,079
hear because they haven't purchased it yet. If they did

1852
01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:31,399
purchase it, you've already got them for your for your buy.

1853
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,880
So you know, a lot of times sometimes the production

1854
01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:38,600
people want to let their pundits talk, which they should.

1855
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,279
If you're bringing on somebody to be on your show,

1856
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,279
you you did it so for a reason. But I

1857
01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:44,640
can think they could use maybe a couple of less

1858
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,960
voices on those shows. Number one, not that they're not

1859
01:20:47,079 --> 01:20:49,960
good talented people that do it. It just it gets

1860
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,680
to be too busy and it needs to be too many.

1861
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,199
So it's not a knocking any one individual. You just

1862
01:20:54,199 --> 01:20:56,680
don't need to have nine talking on show.

1863
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: And I will also say this too, you lose a

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lot people. There are people who are fading and falling

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01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,640
asleep in the Eastern time zone as you become midnight

1866
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,479
twelve thirty one am and the main event hasn't started yet,

1867
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,239
so the is the Pacific time zone. It's a bigger

1868
01:21:12,279 --> 01:21:14,000
deal that we got M and M on the stage

1869
01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:17,600
at nine to thirty local time and the Crawford first bell,

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01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,399
which because I kept track of it, was at nine

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to fifty three Pacific time, twelve.

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Speaker 3: Fifty so that's the AM one twelve fifty three am

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Eastern time. That's unacceptable. It's an American based show, so

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I get that they're showing this internationally all over the world,

1875
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,239
that's cool. But if your base is the United States

1876
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and the audience for that pay per view, yes, a

1877
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:42,479
lot of the people that would buy the pay per

1878
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,840
view would be on the West Coast because maybe they

1879
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,439
were buying it for Pitt Buller, for andjuries with the

1880
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,279
Mexican community. But your main event is what sells, and

1881
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,800
Crawford is going to appeal also to some West Coast people.

1882
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,119
It's certainly well, whatever he's going to sell is going

1883
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to be in the Central time zone where he's from

1884
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,479
with Oman, Nebraska, and you know, he's fought many times

1885
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,119
on the East Coast in places like New York City

1886
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:06,600
and that sort of thing. Boxing fans on the East coast, which,

1887
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,800
by the way, there's more way more people in the

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United States of America living on the east of the

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Mississippi River than live in the west of the Mississippi River.

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So you you can't ask somebody to spend eighty dollars

1891
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,520
for a pay per view and not start the main

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01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,319
event until almost one o'clock in the morning. What are

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01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:24,560
tj Let me hear it?

1894
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,239
Speaker 2: What are we doing here?

1895
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 3: Thank you? I agree?

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01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,600
Speaker 1: So we did have the the Eminem and Eminem took

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his seat, and we had all of that.

1898
01:22:33,399 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: But interesting, Shakour Stephenson, and that's what I was leading to.

1899
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,239
Speaker 3: But go ahead, when I posted the links to my

1900
01:22:39,319 --> 01:22:41,920
articles for the fight, I did tag Eminem, thinking maybe

1901
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,880
I might get a retweet from from the main man.

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01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 2: Hasn't necessarily happened yet.

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Speaker 1: That point is, Shakur Stephenson had a pole position seat

1904
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,319
right beside Turkey for a little while early on in

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01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:55,720
the night. He eventually talked on his own not a

1906
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,880
coincidence that he's there around Turkey, Ola Chic and around

1907
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,920
Eddie Hearn of Matro, around Oscar dal La Jolla and

1908
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whomever else. All right, so what do we have anymore?

1909
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You were digging also a little bit. I'm sure on Saturday,

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what else should we think?

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Speaker 2: What do we know? Why?

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Speaker 3: On his own but go ahead, yeah, I mean on

1913
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,479
his owne he said pretty much. The truth basically is that, look,

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I'm shopping around, I'm looking. I want to hear offers

1915
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from different people. He doesn't. You know, he was asked

1916
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specifically if he's made up his mind on a promoter,

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even they didn't ask him like which promoter have you decided?

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Have you made a decision? You know? Uh? And he

1919
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,840
was like, look, uh, you know, I'm not sure yet where.

1920
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It's still only been a couple of weeks, so it's

1921
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not like the end of the world hasn't made any

1922
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,760
kind of decision. But he's looking, he's talking, he's hearing

1923
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,720
what people have to say, and you know what, of

1924
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course he's enjoying the process. You know, some athletes, like

1925
01:23:43,279 --> 01:23:46,479
in other sports baseball, football, basketball, they become a free

1926
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,720
agent and they like to be whined and dying and

1927
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here they get here the peer what they you know,

1928
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to talk them up and show them what they might

1929
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be able to do. Others, you know, they're comfortab where

1930
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they were and they just want to get a deal

1931
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done and get back to work. That's not really, of course, personality.

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This is really the first time, not really, it is

1933
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the first time as a professional that he's been a

1934
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free agent because he was with top rank from the

1935
01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:09,119
time he signed after the Olympics when he was the

1936
01:24:09,119 --> 01:24:12,279
silver medal winner. So now he's a top fighter, he's

1937
01:24:12,319 --> 01:24:14,720
a multi division world champion, he's near at the top

1938
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of his game, and he's out there to try to

1939
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see what he can drum up. So I'm not surprised

1940
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:19,720
to hear him say that. But at the end of

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the day, TJ, you and I both know there's only

1942
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,840
a couple of different possibilities. That's not like there's a

1943
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,520
This is not if you're a free agent in baseball.

1944
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You know, he got thirty thirty two teams to talk

1945
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,279
to in boxing at that level, and he's made the

1946
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,039
you know pretty clear he's not going back to top rank.

1947
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:38,439
So if you take them off of the table you're

1948
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,960
talking about the only like people that can even conceivably

1949
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,520
in the running would be Oscar, who he's already had

1950
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,159
his beef back and forth with Eddie obviously, who he's

1951
01:24:48,279 --> 01:24:50,840
got struck up a relationship with recently and has been

1952
01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:55,800
talking to PBC Slash TGB. Not so sure how much

1953
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,920
they're looking to sign new fighters given the problems they

1954
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:00,880
have schedule wise getting the own guys in the ring

1955
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,680
and chakor you know, doesn't come at a cheap ticket,

1956
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,520
you know, cheap price. He could do business directly with

1957
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,279
the Saudi's if they like him and want him on

1958
01:25:08,319 --> 01:25:12,600
their shows. There's Frank Warren who's been signing in a

1959
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,520
little bit of a of a I we'll call it

1960
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,920
a binge, but he's branching out and he's in the

1961
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:21,039
process of signing several fighters that are not British fighters,

1962
01:25:21,399 --> 01:25:23,840
So that's maybe a possibility. But I'm making the point

1963
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,159
that we're talking about three or four outfits at most

1964
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that he's gonna be able to sign with.

1965
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Speaker 2: My perception is what do we know?

1966
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Speaker 1: But I've done this enough, You've done it enough at

1967
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,359
the at the highest level of covering it. He wants

1968
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a one off for the biggest amount of money he

1969
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can get somewhere, and that seems to be Turkey. Make

1970
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:44,079
a deal for me with whoever with Oscar and Zapeida,

1971
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,720
or can we make the Javonte Davis fight. But it's

1972
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,239
almost like you have the bag. Everybody knows right now,

1973
01:25:50,319 --> 01:25:51,600
the money, the moulah, the bread.

1974
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:52,399
Speaker 2: You have the bag.

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01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: Make a fight for me with one of these guys

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and it'll be on your show in Saudi Arabia or

1977
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the United States or wherever.

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01:25:58,640 --> 01:25:59,079
Speaker 2: You tell me.

1979
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,199
Speaker 1: I think you're well, so I think that's where we are.

1980
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He wants a one off because Oscar said, and I

1981
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:07,920
believe him, we wanted to do the c Beta but

1982
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,880
as part of a multi fight deal with Golden Boy,

1983
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and he doesn't want to do a multi fight deal.

1984
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Speaker 3: But the thing about that, the good thing about the

1985
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,840
Zepeta fight if you're if you are a shaker, is

1986
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,960
that it's a mandatory. So nobody can require you to

1987
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,399
sign with them when get that fight. Because when it

1988
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,560
goes to a purse bid, well, either they can make

1989
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:25,880
a deal as a one off, because that's what a

1990
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,960
purspid would do, just a one fight between the camps.

1991
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,720
And I've said this before, just because your word doesn't

1992
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,399
have a promoter doesn't mean they can't make a deal.

1993
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,079
He's got his his management team, and he's got his

1994
01:26:35,079 --> 01:26:36,800
his lawyer, and they know what they're doing. They're very

1995
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,600
experienced people. I'm talking about Joshduben the lawyer and UH

1996
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,680
and James Prince the manager, and also he does have

1997
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,039
the promoter who's always in the background, doesn't put on shows,

1998
01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:47,039
but is a licensed promoter and works with James Prince

1999
01:26:47,039 --> 01:26:48,560
on all of his guys and has been doing so

2000
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,000
over years. And I actually had a lengthy conversation with

2001
01:26:51,079 --> 01:26:54,199
him in the hotel in Los Angeles this past couple

2002
01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:56,680
of days. And that's Antonio Leonard was a very experienced

2003
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,840
fighter who's worked for Shakor. He works with Jared Anderson.

2004
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,880
They worked with andre Ward for all those years. Anyway,

2005
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,560
the point is they don't need to have a promoter

2006
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,119
to make a deal for Shakur to get this type

2007
01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:09,960
of fight, because they've got experienced people that know what

2008
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,319
they're doing. So it goes to a per s bid. Again,

2009
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:15,279
it's a one off fight anyway, so this is a

2010
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:17,960
paida fight. Seems like it's more possible. But he's making

2011
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,840
the point. He said so in interviews. He certainly said it

2012
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,560
in his his Zone interview that what he wants is

2013
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,840
he wants Tank Davis, whether it's the end of this

2014
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,880
year or certainly next year. And he's right. What he

2015
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,319
says it's the biggest fight in the world between two

2016
01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:32,319
fighters and one hundred and thirty five pound way class.

2017
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,079
It would be the unified titles. You know. It would

2018
01:27:35,319 --> 01:27:38,039
certainly bring in about a pretty good amount of publicity

2019
01:27:38,039 --> 01:27:40,359
and would probably be a pretty well received fight from

2020
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:40,800
the fans.

2021
01:27:42,079 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 2: Day tuned.

2022
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: Gervonte Davis, by the way, was in Paris this weekend.

2023
01:27:45,039 --> 01:27:47,000
If you need to know where he was, he was

2024
01:27:47,039 --> 01:27:50,199
not around in La or in anywhere else. All Right,

2025
01:27:50,279 --> 01:27:52,439
one other news item, then we've got the nostalgia. You

2026
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:57,399
have learned about the rescheduling of the Caleb Plant Trevor

2027
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,439
mccumbe fight, Tell me what you have learned out that,

2028
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:02,119
so then it will be.

2029
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 3: This was originally supposed to be the main event of

2030
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:09,279
the first non pay per view PBC on Prime Card,

2031
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,960
which they they've lagged quite a bit. Remember, their deal

2032
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:15,680
was done at the beginning of this year, maybe even

2033
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,920
at the very end of Blasure. I forget exactly when

2034
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,560
it was announced, and it was always position is, we're

2035
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:25,079
going to start this agreement in March. It was obviously

2036
01:28:25,079 --> 01:28:27,640
pay per view heavy, but they were certainly in their

2037
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,000
announcement and what everybody said to different reporters that were involved,

2038
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:34,199
that it would have a substantial element of non pay

2039
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:36,960
per view fights also, and that they would start those

2040
01:28:37,039 --> 01:28:40,039
sometime in I believe. Originally the thought was they would

2041
01:28:40,039 --> 01:28:43,079
start them in maybe like April. Ish that did not happen,

2042
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:45,239
then it was going to be June. That it was

2043
01:28:45,279 --> 01:28:47,920
going to be like July, August whatever anyway, So Caleb

2044
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,960
Plant and McCombe was supposed to be August seventeenth. They

2045
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,880
never got announced, but it was a done deal as

2046
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,920
far as I know, and that was the main event,

2047
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,279
and they were to have Stephen Fulton returning from his

2048
01:28:57,399 --> 01:29:00,760
loss in the junior featherweight title fight when he lost

2049
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,119
his belts to in a way and putting in the

2050
01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:05,199
ring against Ronnie Rios. And there's your there's your non

2051
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:07,359
pay per view double hudder. I've seen worse. It was

2052
01:29:07,399 --> 01:29:09,239
not that's not a terrible cart or anything like that.

2053
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,800
And then McCombe suffered a very.

2054
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully the cut for McCombe heals up enough.

2055
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,039
Speaker 3: Well, they should be able to get a new opponent

2056
01:29:18,039 --> 01:29:20,439
if they want. This has gotten I mean nothing against mccomby,

2057
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,479
but he doesn't bring anything to this promotion. It's it's

2058
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,640
all about Kayla Plant getting back in the ring. But anyway,

2059
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:31,560
the point is August seventeenth is not happening. What they're

2060
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:34,000
doing is they're now going to put Kayla Plant against

2061
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:37,359
McCombe and perhaps somebody else of mccombe's cut is not healed.

2062
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,039
It will be one of the fights on the pay

2063
01:29:39,079 --> 01:29:43,199
per view topped by Canelo Alvarez against Edgar Berlanga. They've

2064
01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:45,720
alady announced the co feature for that fight, which is

2065
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:49,399
a Arislani Lard defending his middleweight belt against Danny Garcia,

2066
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,760
and if they when they announced the rest of the fight,

2067
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,920
it would be in my opinion, probably what they'll do

2068
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,359
is they'll make Kayleb Plant the next fight down the

2069
01:29:57,359 --> 01:29:59,319
cart and they'll add on whatever else there to add

2070
01:29:59,319 --> 01:30:01,840
to the pay per view plug whatever preliminaries are going down.

2071
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,920
So maybe they'll announce it this week because starting on Monday,

2072
01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:11,399
Canelo and Canelo and Berlanga and Garcia and Laura, as

2073
01:30:11,399 --> 01:30:13,439
well as the teams, they're in New York City for

2074
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:15,640
the kickoff press conference on Monday in Manhattan, and then

2075
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,680
they go Tuesday for the second stop of this two

2076
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:22,399
city tour to Beverly Hills. So perhaps they'll announced that fight,

2077
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,319
but at the very least they'll talk about the two

2078
01:30:24,319 --> 01:30:26,560
top fights. But anyway, bottom line is Caleb Plant is

2079
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:27,840
supposed to be on the paper.

2080
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:31,399
Speaker 1: View good enough, all right, nostalgia before we're done here

2081
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,520
recapping off the weekend. It was seventeen years ago tonight,

2082
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,520
August four of two thousand and seven, the fight of

2083
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:44,199
the year took place, and this was one that was

2084
01:30:44,319 --> 01:30:51,119
hyped for Raphael Vasquez Israel Rafael Marquez, excuse me, Israel Vasquez.

2085
01:30:52,279 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 2: Seventeen years ago.

2086
01:30:54,079 --> 01:30:58,399
Speaker 1: They thought that night and Rayfhael even says on the rundown,

2087
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,720
one of the top few fights in Showtime history.

2088
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 2: I think I would go along with that.

2089
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: I just don't want to go along with the fact

2090
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:07,960
that it was before my twins were born, seventeen years

2091
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,359
ago and they're sixteen years of age. Been a little

2092
01:31:10,359 --> 01:31:12,319
bit now, but still a great one.

2093
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 3: I went back and looked this up because when Showtime

2094
01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:18,079
came to an end for their boxing involvement at the

2095
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:21,760
end of twenty twenty three, I did a column same

2096
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,560
way I did when HBO came to an end in

2097
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:28,960
twenty eighteen. A Showtime I ranked, you know, because of

2098
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,079
when they started. I did like their top list of

2099
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:34,039
my opinion of their top fights of all time, like

2100
01:31:34,039 --> 01:31:36,279
with show with HBO, they had been in business forty

2101
01:31:36,279 --> 01:31:38,960
five years. I did the top forty five fights. I

2102
01:31:39,039 --> 01:31:41,600
think Showtime was what thirty nine years or something like that,

2103
01:31:42,039 --> 01:31:44,920
the top thirty nine anyway, even I think they started

2104
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,880
nineteen They started nineteen eighty six, right, and ended in

2105
01:31:48,079 --> 01:31:52,159
two thousand and twenty twenty three, right, right. So I

2106
01:31:52,279 --> 01:31:56,640
cheated a little bit because certain fights like this was

2107
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,800
on the HBO list and the Showtime list, like I

2108
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:00,840
took like Daddy Ward and that was one entry. Even

2109
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,800
though they fought three times, you know, Marquez and pak

2110
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,039
Yao fought four times, they were all great. That was

2111
01:32:05,039 --> 01:32:07,760
like a four to one one entry. So I went

2112
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,319
back and looked at my list the Vasquez Marquez one, two,

2113
01:32:11,319 --> 01:32:14,239
and three. We disavowed the fourth fight, but one, two

2114
01:32:14,279 --> 01:32:16,239
and three are all spectacular. I made that one entry.

2115
01:32:16,279 --> 01:32:19,479
So in my Showtime ranking, I ranked it as number three.

2116
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,760
I ranked number one obviously Corrals versus Castillo, and number two.

2117
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:28,560
I ranked the Mike Tyson against Evander Holyfield fights, and

2118
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,840
I had the Vasquez Marquz trilogy trilogy. It's a four

2119
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,720
fight series, but I'm counting the first three fights as

2120
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,800
part of the entry because they were that special, and frankly,

2121
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,079
at this stage of the game, they're underrated because they

2122
01:32:40,079 --> 01:32:42,279
don't get a lot of love. You hear fans much

2123
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:45,359
more talk about Barrera Morales or Gaddy Ward or some

2124
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:48,680
of the other great slugfests and and glorious kind of

2125
01:32:49,159 --> 01:32:51,640
rivalry fights. But this is every bit as good as

2126
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:53,760
any though. So they fought in March of two thousand

2127
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,119
and seven, their first installment. This was a spectacular fight

2128
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,159
and it was a fight that was for the They

2129
01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:01,039
was for the WBC one hundred and twenty two pound

2130
01:33:01,119 --> 01:33:04,319
title and Israel Vasquez got stopped in that fight by

2131
01:33:04,399 --> 01:33:06,239
Rafael Marquez and they had in a meeting and now

2132
01:33:06,279 --> 01:33:07,560
so when that fight was over, I was like, oh

2133
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:09,479
my god, this is the fight of the year, absolutely

2134
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:13,840
fight of the year in marr with nine months ago.

2135
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,319
So then they had the rematch. The first fight took

2136
01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:19,840
place in Carson at what is now the Dignity Health Park.

2137
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:21,760
Back then it was called the Home Deep the Home

2138
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,399
Depot Center, and they had the rematch. Is the one

2139
01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:26,720
we're talking about, which was in August of two thousand

2140
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,279
and seven, and they met yet again again. Now it's

2141
01:33:30,399 --> 01:33:32,920
you know, uh, they're also still fighting for the WBC's

2142
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:37,119
one twenty two pound title, and Marquez then turnabout, he

2143
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:40,640
gets knocked out, Vasquez gets I take that back, Vasquez

2144
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,279
gets the revenge. Rather, he knocks out Marquez in round

2145
01:33:43,319 --> 01:33:45,960
six and regains the title. In the fight of the year,

2146
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:48,199
it's literally voted the fight of the year. And as

2147
01:33:48,199 --> 01:33:51,119
I stated to you before another fight, they fought the

2148
01:33:51,119 --> 01:33:53,079
three fights in a row. Two of them took place

2149
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,640
in two thousand and seven. Uh, one of them took

2150
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,439
place in two thousand and eight. So fight number one

2151
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:01,560
what have been the oh seven fight of the year

2152
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,159
had the second fight not also taken place in the

2153
01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:06,560
same counter year and the third fight took place in

2154
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:08,279
two thousand and eight, was the fight of the year

2155
01:34:08,279 --> 01:34:10,439
for eight because they fought the three times right in

2156
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,479
a row. So all three of those fights are spectacular,

2157
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:16,159
but the second fight was among the great fights you'll see.

2158
01:34:16,279 --> 01:34:19,000
I mean, the third fight probably trump's the first two,

2159
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,000
but the second fight went ahead of the first fight.

2160
01:34:22,039 --> 01:34:24,319
In the first fight was fucking spectacular to begin with

2161
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,079
these guys were just made for each other.

2162
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 1: I watch my humor that Vasquez and Marquez fought three

2163
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:33,880
fights of the year with it, who knew they fought

2164
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,119
three fights of the year in just two years, but

2165
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:37,560
that this was the second of those.

2166
01:34:38,199 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 3: But this was like just an This was just an

2167
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:43,239
old school, bloody fucking war.

2168
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:47,399
Speaker 1: But in the interesting twist, you were not there for this, no,

2169
01:34:48,319 --> 01:34:54,039
because also that night, the nostalgia still rings true seventeen

2170
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:57,000
years ago, August fourth, two thousand and seven, you were

2171
01:34:57,079 --> 01:35:01,800
elsewhere David Diaz fighting Eric Moore that night, and you

2172
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:06,640
were ringside in Chicago instead of being at Vasquez Marquez two.

2173
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,159
Speaker 2: Correct, So pick it up on that.

2174
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 3: So Vasquez Marquez too took place in the Dodge Arena

2175
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:15,800
in Hidalgo, Texas, and I was going to go to

2176
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,479
cover one of the fights that weekend. And again when

2177
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,800
I was working at ESPN, I certainly had a certain

2178
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:24,199
amount of latitude to determine where I was going to go.

2179
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,479
But I certain didn't have the unilateral decision making ability

2180
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,119
to say I'm going here, I'm going there. They have

2181
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:31,119
to prove it. There's budgets, and there's this and that,

2182
01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:33,560
and when it came to the time when there's fights

2183
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:35,720
that are overlapping and they're on the same night, and

2184
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:37,680
you have to make a hard decision and if we're

2185
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:38,920
going to do one or we're gonna do the other.

2186
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,039
I don't remember the exact conversation, but I'm sure it

2187
01:35:42,119 --> 01:35:45,119
was done in concert with my editors, where we determined

2188
01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:47,560
that Okay, on this particular night, I'm going to go

2189
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,760
to Chicago was actually in Rosemont, right outside of Chicago

2190
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,920
for this boxing card that featured David dis who was

2191
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,119
from Chicago, against Eric Morales. David had won the lightweight

2192
01:35:58,119 --> 01:36:01,199
title the WBC Lightweight Tattle was the against Morales, who

2193
01:36:01,239 --> 01:36:05,079
was trying to become a four division world champion at

2194
01:36:05,079 --> 01:36:07,159
that time. Had he accomplish it on that night, he

2195
01:36:07,159 --> 01:36:09,159
would have become the first Mexican fighter to win a

2196
01:36:09,159 --> 01:36:10,960
title in four weight classes. But they also had a

2197
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,760
lot of other quality guys on the show. Juan Nanuel

2198
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,479
Lopez was a very hot fighter at the time. He

2199
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,560
was a WBO one hundred and twenty two pound champion

2200
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,239
and Olympian. They had another world title fight between Ulysses

2201
01:36:20,279 --> 01:36:23,840
Solis and rodel Meole for the IBF Junior lightweight title.

2202
01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:27,399
You also had Julio Sesar Chavez, who was on his

2203
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:29,199
way to a world title shot at that point, still

2204
01:36:29,239 --> 01:36:31,079
a good fighter, thirty two zero to one before he

2205
01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:33,039
ran into all of his problems and then with just

2206
01:36:33,079 --> 01:36:35,520
a bunch of different prospects and this and that. So anyway,

2207
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:39,239
that was an HBO pay per view fight that was

2208
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,039
really it was produced by Top Rank, but HBO distributed,

2209
01:36:42,079 --> 01:36:45,159
but it was considered I think the bigger event because

2210
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,760
it had a bigger name like Morales. It was in Chicago,

2211
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,520
which did not host a lot of big fights. Actually

2212
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:52,319
one of the only the handful of fights I've ever

2213
01:36:52,399 --> 01:36:54,199
covered in the Chicago area through all my years of

2214
01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:56,520
doing this. So I went to Chicago and David Diez

2215
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,439
and Morales. They didn't put on the kind of fight

2216
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,159
like Vaskar as the Marquez did, who put on an

2217
01:37:01,159 --> 01:37:04,800
absolute fucking classic. But David Diez and Uh and Morales

2218
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,359
put on a good fight. There was a good crowd there,

2219
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,640
A lot of them had come to see Chavez and

2220
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,760
Uh and also the Puerto Rican fighter that I mentioned

2221
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,920
to you in one Manuel Lopez. A matter of fact, funny

2222
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:14,800
story about that. There's not you know, pretty much every

2223
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,880
major city you find little enclaves of certain nationalities, and

2224
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:21,800
in Chicago there's an area that's Puerto Rican and so uh.

2225
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,439
In boxing events when they're promoting them, they'll do the

2226
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,239
open workout, like you know, on the pier on Wednesday

2227
01:37:28,319 --> 01:37:30,560
night in Santa Monica, they did the open workout and

2228
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,399
they have all the fighters on the pay per view

2229
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,680
coming and show their stuff. Dual workout for the fans

2230
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,079
and the press and you know, drum up some uh

2231
01:37:37,159 --> 01:37:40,000
some publicity. So one of the publicists that was working

2232
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,039
on the event, one Manuel Lopez, was Puerto Rican and

2233
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:46,920
they had the great idea to do an open haircut.

2234
01:37:47,399 --> 01:37:50,319
They took one Manuel Lopez to like Puerto Rican neighborhood,

2235
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,520
like one of the barber shops there, and they had

2236
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,159
like a photo op and some of the repri show.

2237
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:55,479
I went just for the heck of it because it

2238
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:57,720
seemed like a cool thing and actually have this cool

2239
01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:59,960
photo of me with like the barber shears and why

2240
01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:02,359
Manuel Lopez and some of the other guys in the picture,

2241
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:03,960
and they did the open haircut. So that was like

2242
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,479
a very interesting way to start to promote the fight. Uh.

2243
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:08,239
That was a good fight week anyway, but in the

2244
01:38:08,279 --> 01:38:13,239
main event, you had Eric Morales, uh, challenging for this

2245
01:38:13,319 --> 01:38:15,279
title and and uh, you know, David Diaz did a

2246
01:38:15,279 --> 01:38:16,520
hell of a job in that fight. He won the

2247
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,000
fight uh and sent Eric Brows into what at that

2248
01:38:20,079 --> 01:38:21,720
time was a retirement. It was a close fight, but

2249
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,159
he won. It was like one fourteen one to thirteen one,

2250
01:38:24,279 --> 01:38:27,720
fifteen one, thirteen one, fifteen one to twelve and Morales,

2251
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,560
who has already established himself as an all time great fighter,

2252
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,079
he retired. Now ultimately he came out of retirement.

2253
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:34,279
Speaker 1: Uh.

2254
01:38:34,359 --> 01:38:37,239
Speaker 3: And David Diaz, with that victory, though against a big

2255
01:38:37,319 --> 01:38:40,960
name and a Hall of Fame caliber guy, was able

2256
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,319
to parlay that to a couple of fights late. He

2257
01:38:43,359 --> 01:38:45,319
took one more fight, was a non title fight, and

2258
01:38:45,359 --> 01:38:48,159
then he got the big one when he fought Manny Pacio.

2259
01:38:48,319 --> 01:38:50,640
Manny went up to the lightweight division and uh and

2260
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:54,279
knocked him out. But David Diaz got the opportunity for

2261
01:38:54,399 --> 01:38:56,760
that big career defining fight because of what he did

2262
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,680
against Eric Morows. And by the way, David Diaz was

2263
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:00,880
no joke. He was a tremendo. This amateurs the United

2264
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,560
States Olympian had beaten quality guys in the amateurs like

2265
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:07,079
zab Judah and others. But on this night against Eric Rouse,

2266
01:39:07,159 --> 01:39:09,199
he had the night of us. That was the pinnacle

2267
01:39:09,239 --> 01:39:12,600
of his career, on the night he beat the legend.

2268
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:14,640
Speaker 2: And you were there in Chicago. What a night that

2269
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:15,880
was seventeen years ago.

2270
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 1: To have those different fight cards in the different locations.

2271
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 2: How about that? All right?

2272
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 1: My friend, busy busy recap, you've gone left coast and

2273
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,159
back to the Rayfaield compound in northern Virginia. I'm glad

2274
01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:30,720
you got back safely. I'm glad we were able to

2275
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:32,960
break down everything with the fight card, the read season

2276
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,840
fight card. You heard from Virgil Ortiz. It's his fight

2277
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,399
with Boachuk that we're most interested in for later this week.

2278
01:39:39,399 --> 01:39:41,720
Anything else in closing here on the recap pot or

2279
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,279
are we good and ready to get the week underway?

2280
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 3: I need to go to bed bro.

2281
01:39:45,319 --> 01:39:47,039
Speaker 2: I understand that we.

2282
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,520
Speaker 1: Can both identify because I think the Crawford fight got

2283
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:52,439
over with about fifteen minutes ago, and you've fought, and

2284
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,079
you've flown cross country since then.

2285
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,119
Speaker 3: By the way, and then all seriousness that so the

2286
01:39:57,199 --> 01:39:59,560
fight started, we'd made mention that it started at twelve

2287
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,399
fifty three am. Right, and it went to twelve rounds. Yeah,

2288
01:40:03,399 --> 01:40:05,960
that's another you know, forty five minutes or so. And

2289
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,399
then it took a little while to do the to

2290
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,640
get to the press conference. And then Crawford and Bowmack

2291
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,359
and and uh and then Magi Mov and his promoter

2292
01:40:14,399 --> 01:40:16,399
and Eddie Hearn and his manager of Eddie Cornel. They

2293
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,239
did their press covers by the time we got out

2294
01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:20,159
of there, and then I had to get back to

2295
01:40:20,199 --> 01:40:21,840
the hotel, which was, you know, fairly close, only a

2296
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:23,239
few miles ag. I got a left from my good

2297
01:40:23,239 --> 01:40:26,479
pal Lance Pugmyer back at the hotel. Now I'm back

2298
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:28,880
to hotel, and it's like it's I after one. I

2299
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,960
see down's well with the belt in the in the lobby.

2300
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:34,920
It's now well after one o'clock in the two o'clock

2301
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:38,279
in the morning, I guess. And normally I take like

2302
01:40:38,319 --> 01:40:40,119
an afternoon flight. I like to sleep in on the

2303
01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:42,039
Sunday and do a little work and then I'll leisurely

2304
01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:44,520
go to the airport. But for this particular case, because

2305
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,720
of the way the flight schedule was, my flight was

2306
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:49,439
at like seven to fifty five am, and you got

2307
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:53,920
to get to the airport earlier Chicago, it's yeah, okay,

2308
01:40:54,119 --> 01:40:57,199
so and I still have to finish some of the

2309
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:59,520
stuff I was writing from that night. So now I'm

2310
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:00,920
back in my room and I've got to like kind

2311
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:02,880
of hustle and get all that shit done. And you

2312
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:04,399
make that you get and I've done this a million

2313
01:41:04,399 --> 01:41:06,800
times TJ. With these types of trips, you get to

2314
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:09,479
that moment in time where you got to decide am

2315
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:11,760
I going to sleep or am I staying up? Right?

2316
01:41:12,199 --> 01:41:13,119
Because you know if you go.

2317
01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: Which going to sleep is defined as like ninety minutes

2318
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:18,439
or maybe an hour, like not.

2319
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,199
Speaker 3: Changing, like laying down in your clothes and not taking

2320
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:23,159
your socks off, so when you wake up you can

2321
01:41:23,239 --> 01:41:25,000
quickly put your shoes on and get the fuck out

2322
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:29,359
of there. So for me, it was like there was

2323
01:41:29,399 --> 01:41:32,560
no shot I was up, So I stayed up. I

2324
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,359
went to the airport. I got there, actually was I

2325
01:41:35,359 --> 01:41:36,920
got through maybe a little earlier than I need to.

2326
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:38,560
But if I'd fallen asleep, I would have never got up.

2327
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,119
So when I got to the airport, there was still

2328
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:41,720
like about an hour before my When I got to

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the gate, I saw like an hour, but that was

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better than being late anyway, So I'm like falling asleep

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in the fucking gate waiting for them to board the plane.

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Finally we get on the plane, and when I tell you, TJ,

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now full disclosure, rayfel sit in the first class. I

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love that I had a little beverage before we took off.

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When I tell you, it's wheels up, Its wheels up,

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eyes closed, And all I know is like three hours later,

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I wake up and the fight attendant comes over. He says, sir,

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I didn't want to wake you up. Can I get

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you somebody to drink? Would you like your breakfast? So

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I put three hours in the bank on the plane,

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but then always up the rest of the way. That's

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the only time. So all right, that's why I'm looking

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forward to going to bed tonight.

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Speaker 2: You're punchy.

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Speaker 1: At least you're not talking to me about Ali Frasier

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on the pod.

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Speaker 3: Tonight, so that's good because I do that.

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Speaker 2: That didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Sorry night, But in any event, really good stuff on

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the recap.

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Speaker 2: We're ready to attack the week.

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Speaker 1: It is the Fight Freaks Unit Recap Podcast, Dan Ray Phil,

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have a good week, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You, my friend. All right, TJ.

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Speaker 2: I am merely TJ.

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Speaker 1: Reeves, follow, Subscribe on this feeds, Freaker Apples, Spotify, wherever

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you get podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Because we come your way.

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Speaker 1: Previewing going into the weekend, Recapping off the weekend on

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The Fight Freaks You Night Recap