WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:06.960 Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Tonight, 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:11.560 my guest is Carl Mullison. He is a scientist, healer, channeler, 3 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:16.199 and founder of get wisdom dot com. Carl, Welcome, How 4 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:17.199 are you doing tonight? 5 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:20.640 Well, I'm doing fine so far. We'll see how we 6 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:24.760 end up at the end of this, but I'm optimistic. 7 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:28.719 I think we're gonna have some fun and some interesting 8 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:30.960 things to talk about. That's my prediction. 9 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:34.399 So yeah, I think your prediction is one hundred percent 10 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:37.159 spot on. We're gonna have a good time. I've definitely 11 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:40.280 been looking forward to speaking with you. Like I told 12 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:43.479 you earlier, I spoken with your colleague Dinny Hunt a 13 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:47.159 few times before he's been on the show. We've discussed 14 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:51.479 your work, the channeling that you've done, how you got 15 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:55.200 started with get Wisdom, and so many wonderful things, and 16 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:00.520 you have channeled so many amazing individuals and even ascended masters. 17 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:05.319 You know, to the normal person, whenever you start naming 18 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:08.079 some of the people that you've channeled, you know, I'm 19 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:12.400 sure that there's many many skeptics out there, but to 20 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:16.000 us in the community, who have you know, who understand 21 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:21.280 your work and are familiar with it. It is extremely fascinating, 22 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:25.079 and you have a very interesting background as well. I'd 23 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:28.040 like to kind of start there, since it's your first 24 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:30.159 time on the show, to get my audience a little 25 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:31.879 bit more familiar with yourself. 26 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:32.879 Could you tell us. 27 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:36.079 A little bit about what ultimately kind of just brought 28 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:37.840 you down the current path that you're on. 29 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:43.319 Sure, I'd be happy to try to explain myself and 30 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:50.840 perhaps alays some concerns and maybe elay some skepticism. One 31 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:55.200 never knows, but I fully understand it if you're skeptical, 32 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:59.079 and I honor that. In fact, I'm a skeptic and 33 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.599 I've always been. And the reason is it served me 34 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:07.480 because I was always intensely curious and wanted to find 35 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:12.280 out the truth about things. I was puzzled by many 36 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:16.280 things in life, and I would be struck by something 37 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:21.599 at times and pondered it and kind of had a 38 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:26.919 strong feeling of concern about it and wasn't satisfied by 39 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:29.800 what I was told as sort of like the trivial 40 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:37.120 conventional explanation. Now, looking back, I realized I was being guided, 41 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.759 whether I was doing it all myself or I was 42 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:45.240 getting a little priming by my higher self chiming in saying, hey, 43 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.879 you know, now that is interesting. Take a look at that. 44 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.000 What do you think about that? You know, don't drop 45 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:53.719 that so fast, think about it a little more. You know, 46 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:56.879 let's explore that together. You know, something like that going 47 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.840 on subliminally. But now I know, look back, there were 48 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:05.599 many times I was shown things. So my whole life 49 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:10.520 has been influenced by outside forces. And by the way, 50 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.840 this is true for everyone. You might not believe it, 51 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:15.759 but we're going to get into this and you're going 52 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:18.039 to see more and more and get more and more 53 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.159 examples of how that comes about. Some of it is good, 54 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:26.240 some of it is dreadfully bad. And this is the 55 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:30.360 world we're in. We're bombarded by energies and we're here 56 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:33.639 with lots of other beings. Some we can see, some 57 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:37.560 we can't. So I got my start from all that 58 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:45.319 curiosity as a research scientist. I wanted to help medicine. 59 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:48.000 That was my orientation. I had a lot of things 60 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.360 growing up that I witnessed, some experienced personally that fascinated 61 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:56.159 me and and bothered me, and I wanted to figure 62 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:59.120 things out. I wanted to know how to make things 63 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.120 better and do better than what I had observed along 64 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:06.039 the way growing up with medicine, and so I was 65 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:11.759 fascinated with science and nature and that really drew me. 66 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:18.319 And it was all materialistic in its basis, you know, 67 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:25.079 the conventional, hardcore scientific perspective about things. I was raised 68 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:31.560 in a religious family, but I wasn't always comfortable. I 69 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.199 didn't like the darkness of the Old Testament. I thought 70 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:38.839 this can't be true. It's contradictory. The Bible is a 71 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:43.360 big contradiction, and so I kind of put that to 72 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.319 one side and sort of tried to live my life 73 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:51.240 without it. And I became a hardcore scientist and I 74 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:55.759 believe what science teaches. And it was only later I 75 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:01.160 realized you're getting a lot of assumption, opinion, and a 76 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.680 distorted perspective along the way, depending on who's teaching you 77 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:10.199 and what they think in their particular biases and the 78 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:17.879 issues that involve them and their particular interests. There's a 79 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:22.399 lot of personal bias and science what gets study, what 80 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.600 gets reported, and there's an overlay of manipulation as well, 81 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:33.000 and we'll get to that. So when I retired from 82 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:37.319 that career after about thirty years, and I'd done a 83 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.560 lot of science I've worked on many therapeutic areas and 84 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.240 was involved in a lot of research. I have over 85 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:51.560 one hundred publications of full length manuscripts and peer reviewed 86 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:56.160 journal articles, as well as abstracts from many many scientific 87 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.800 meetings I've attended, and I have a half a dozen 88 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:04.839 US patents for drugs and medical devices. So I made 89 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:09.399 some contributions and I learned what the process is and 90 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:14.480 how it's conducted. And that served me very nicely to 91 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:19.480 better understand medicine, because if you think of medicine as 92 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:23.720 being drugs and medicines, right, I know where they come 93 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.319 from and what that's based on, and some of the 94 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:32.279 motivations find it, the limitations and so on. And when 95 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:36.079 I retired from that career finally, that was around two thousand, 96 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:40.720 the year two thousand, I retired young, and I was 97 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:47.120 free to explore things that were interesting to me that 98 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.360 I hadn't been able to do in that setting. And 99 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:53.839 one of the big areas that I felt was underserved 100 00:06:54.639 --> 00:07:01.279 and front with lots of complications and very unlikely to 101 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:07.800 have a medicinal approach be fruitful was that of problems 102 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:14.040 with emotion, emotional health and mental illness, as well as 103 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.800 the extreme end of the spectrum, and so I was 104 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:20.160 always interested in the mind. I grew up in a 105 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.759 family of people who wanted to help those in trouble. 106 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.600 My father was a minister. He was always helping people 107 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.519 who were disturbed and troubled, and families would have their 108 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:37.879 story someone having a metal breakdown or something. And my 109 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:42.000 parents actually worked for the world's most famous psychiatrists during 110 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.600 the nineteen hundreds, Carl Meninger, who was very forward looking, 111 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:51.079 and I was actually named after Carl Meninger, that Carl 112 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.480 with a K in my name, and so it was 113 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:55.639 kind of like I grew up with these stories that 114 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.120 they would tell me. They were doing all kinds of 115 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:02.959 innovative things attempt to help people who were disturbed, and 116 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.199 by and large didn't get very far with it, but 117 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.519 they were trying. They were on the frontier, and this 118 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:12.399 was actually starting before there were actually drugs available you 119 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:16.199 could use for people like this. So when I retired, 120 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:19.800 I was still interested in the mind, and I was 121 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:24.720 fascinated with the possibility of using hypnosis as a more 122 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:29.040 powerful tool to get into the subconscious layer and help 123 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:32.759 people that way, because I could see very few people 124 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.919 were doing it, but those who were I thought were 125 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.879 making in roums, And by and large it was not 126 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:47.759 the clinical psychologists. It was the kind of self taught 127 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:56.759 or a separate school of hypnotists doing this work. And 128 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:59.799 I thought that was odd, but I was open, and 129 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:04.759 I think people who are passionate and intelligent can do 130 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:08.360 anything if they have the resources and the time and energy. 131 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:12.559 So I went and learned from some of those people 132 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:18.440 and became ultimately a board certified consulting hypnotists from the 133 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:23.399 National Guild of Hypnotists. It's a large body of practitioners 134 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:27.080 who help people with all kinds of things using hypnosis, 135 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:31.080 you know, kind of hypnotherapy approach, and that led me 136 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:37.080 and was fascinating to me as well to the paranormal, 137 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:43.440 because hypnosis is a way to tap into things the 138 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.519 deep inner part of the mind knows better than the 139 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:53.320 conscious self, and that includes sometimes and inner awareness one 140 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:58.679 has had other lives, So as you probably know, there 141 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:03.879 are people out there, including some psychologists and psychiatrists, who 142 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:09.000 use hypnotherapy for past life regression, and so I found 143 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:13.600 that utterly fascinating and I was skeptical at first, as 144 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:17.759 I always am, and I came to find out that 145 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:22.960 phenomenon is real. It looked real to me, and I 146 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.399 had personal experiences with it. That's the best way to 147 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.320 learn about something is do it personally. It's a great teacher, 148 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:35.120 the best one probably, And that started to change me. 149 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:40.120 For one thing. If you believe science and evolution that 150 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:44.080 it all started from some primordial owse and evolved over time, 151 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:50.080 how do you evolve the ability to die go somewhere 152 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:54.559 else and then come back again as an infant? You know, 153 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.039 how does that evolve? I mean, that's a pretty big leap. 154 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.200 I mean, it's one thing to go from you know, 155 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:06.279 a fish to maybe something that's an amphibian, you know, 156 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:08.120 comes out on the land a little bit, you know, 157 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:12.360 walks on its fins, and then they evolve into more 158 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:17.080 land worthy appendages and so on. So I started to 159 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:20.720 open up to the idea there's something really big and 160 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.919 massive about there, and I had to start facing the 161 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.720 fact maybe it's the divine, you know, maybe this is 162 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.000 the paradigm that we have a soul that we come 163 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:34.360 and go from the light, as people have talked about forever, 164 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:37.320 you know, in terms of the scriptures and so on, 165 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:43.519 being pretty pretty old historically, not the oldest of things recorded. 166 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:47.559 But this is not a new idea and there's lots 167 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:50.000 of evidence for it. As it turns out, as I 168 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:53.840 went back and started looking from my adult perspective more 169 00:11:53.879 --> 00:12:01.200 critically so with hypnosis, that led me to learn some 170 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:08.519 powerful techniques for resolving trauma events for people, taking them 171 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:12.320 into a meditative state and helping them connect with the 172 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.200 things they were restoring in the body and reframing it 173 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.320 and using a kind of energetic self healing. That turns 174 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:23.679 out to be really powerful, and it's helped many people 175 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:28.600 with serious emotional problems like PTSD to resolve their difficulties 176 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:32.600 and so on. And I found that tremendously gratifying, and 177 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:36.120 it helped me in taking the training. I fixed problems 178 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:41.519 in myself using that technique on the spot. Immediately, things 179 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:47.159 I've been doing all my life just stopped. So this 180 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:51.320 led me further to think about that deep part of 181 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:56.279 the mind. And along the way, one of the odd 182 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:59.840 things I was privy to was I had a call 183 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:04.840 league who used to work on people to do remote 184 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:10.480 spirit releasement. So what is that This is someone who 185 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:16.240 has a spirit possession affecting their mind and this process 186 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:21.360 removes it, and so I thought, okay, all right, here 187 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:27.000 we go skeptical. You know, I wasn't ready to believe this. 188 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:34.200 And the only exposure to it was I had a 189 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.480 hypnosis conference I was at and I was giving a talk, 190 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:40.519 and I went in a few minutes before my talk 191 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.360 was to begin, and here was this fellow trying to 192 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:47.519 talk down this woman he had worked on in his 193 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:52.759 talk who had a spirit possessing her, and he was 194 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:55.960 working on it right then and there, and she was 195 00:13:56.000 --> 00:14:01.000 in tears and it was really dramatic. So that intrigued 196 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:05.320 me a little further. And he finally announced he was 197 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:07.200 going to give a workshop and teach people how to 198 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.440 do this. So I figured, all right, I'll pay the money. 199 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.799 I'll go two weekends in a row. Let him teach 200 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:16.960 me this thing, and let me see for myself. Can 201 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:17.559 I do this? 202 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:18.039 You know? 203 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:24.320 Can I see something that convinces me this is even real? Boy? 204 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:31.039 Was I surprised? This was totally real? And to my 205 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.799 great shock, I learned that when I was hypnotized and 206 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:40.279 put in a kind of a transtate, not a super 207 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:45.080 deep transtate, but just a bit of a a hypnotic transtate, 208 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:51.320 I could tune into someone remotely from a distance, scan 209 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:56.159 them and see if they had dark spirit attachments in them. 210 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.879 This was just from a set of simple structions, and 211 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:07.159 what it was doing was allowing me to use my intuition. Now, 212 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.600 I always thought I had a good nose for things 213 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.960 and you know, some curiosity, and I had a good 214 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:17.519 track record of figuring things out, kind of having a 215 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.039 hunch about how something worked, and then I would do 216 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.960 the right experiments and often get a validation that I 217 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:26.919 was correct. You know, I had a kind of investigators 218 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:31.720 makeup for doing, you know, kind of a scholarly search 219 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:35.759 for truth about things. But I didn't think it was intuition, 220 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.960 you know, largely that I was able to get information 221 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:44.039 and real information from somewhere else and kind of have 222 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:49.200 an inner knowing that is what was going on. So anyway, iPhone, 223 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:54.639 I could not only scan and see a spirit in someone, 224 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.320 I could channel it. And that was what this guy 225 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:02.039 was teaching. He would work with his wife and he 226 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.320 did this for like twenty years, who was a psychic. 227 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:10.440 He hypnotized her. She would connect to the subject, channel 228 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:14.279 the spirits, the darkest of the spirits in that person, 229 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.159 and then he would talk to the spirit and convince 230 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:20.600 it to go to the light. Sounds pretty wacky, right, 231 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:24.399 you know, people don't even believe in ghost and I'm 232 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.960 talking about spirit possession. You know, this is like the 233 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:33.279 omen and what's that one the movie about the kid 234 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:37.320 who's possessed, you know, spinning around the ad and spinning 235 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.200 up and all this stuff that the exercis, yes, thank you. 236 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.440 So it's not usually that dramatic. If you do it right, 237 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:47.879 you don't have to get involved in the emotion of 238 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.879 the client the host. You need to deal with the spirit. 239 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:53.960 So this convinced me this phenomenon is real, and I 240 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.840 started doing a process like this and helping people, actually 241 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:03.840 helping people. I was shocked by this. And at that 242 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:08.599 very first conference, I was thinking at the time about 243 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:14.039 this fellow who shot the Arizona Congresswoman Gabby Gifford, and 244 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:16.920 he was in jail at the time. He was on 245 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.599 the cover of Time magazine, very forbidding looking picture with 246 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:22.640 him in red. You know, he looked him on it. 247 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:27.799 And so I suggested, you know, to the instructor at 248 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:31.000 the end of this thing, let's can we have somebody 249 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.039 do a session on this. Jared Loughner in his prison 250 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.200 cell and maybe we can depossess him and help him 251 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:46.079 recover somewhat from what drove him to do this. And 252 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:48.599 so someone raised their hand and said, well, I think 253 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:50.759 Carl ought to do that. So I got up in 254 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:55.039 front of the class and I connected to this dark 255 00:17:55.079 --> 00:18:01.240 spirit dfl and talked to it, and it was so amazing. 256 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:03.359 I just can't tell you. I mean, when you'd come 257 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.240 from a place of disbelief about something like that and 258 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.160 then suddenly you're in the middle of it and you're 259 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:12.160 doing it, it's a shock to the system. But it 260 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:16.720 was a convincer. And not only did I feel that 261 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:20.119 this was authentic and real, I learned things that were 262 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:24.799 unexpected and actually clues that proved to be true that 263 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:30.519 I figured out later on along the way. The fellow 264 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:37.160 running the class asked this dark spirit in Lafner, why 265 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:41.680 did you do this? Why did you try to get 266 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:52.440 him to kill those people? And the spirit said they 267 00:18:52.480 --> 00:19:02.640 wanted someone killed and it wasn't her, It was a judge. Okay, 268 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:06.599 he didn't pursue it any further. His curiosity wasn't aroused 269 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:11.000 too much by that, but mine was. Now, this is 270 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.279 something I could not have known. I mean, no one 271 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:16.599 you know has talked about this or thought about it. 272 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:18.279 There were a number of people killed that day, one 273 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:22.599 of them was a judge and then this congresswoman. So 274 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:26.960 I'd learned more about that later on, but this was 275 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:31.240 a clue because since that time, I've learned that these 276 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:37.680 dark spirits are ubiquitous. There's hordes of them. They possess 277 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:42.920 around ninety percent of people, and depending on the vulnerability 278 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:44.759 of the person, they get them to do all kinds 279 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:49.960 of things. And the attention is to stir them up, 280 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:55.759 get them emotionally wrought, interfere with their lives, make them 281 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:59.599 do dumb things, to get in trouble or to make 282 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:04.640 misay and then have a backlash against them. And so 283 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:11.000 they're unhappy because they want that dark emotional energy for themselves. 284 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:13.680 They're an energy vampire, if you will. 285 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:16.240 They just feed off I'd like they feed. 286 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:22.720 Off of our energy. And so to complete this cycle, 287 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:27.440 just as the intro, I went from that to working 288 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:32.920 on people myself to remove the spirits from them, and 289 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.839 I got quite a further education. I mean, you cannot 290 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:39.759 imagine unless you do this, the things you might run into. 291 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.160 I had a woman call me on the phone who 292 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.200 said that she has this darkness around her and it 293 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:54.039 talks to her, and she's really upset and she needs 294 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.920 somebody to help her because nobody can help. She said, 295 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.119 I've talked to the doctors. They can't do anything about this. 296 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:01.640 They want me on drug that doesn't help. I've tried it, 297 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.039 but I have an archangel friend who helps me too. 298 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.119 And I said, oh, that's interesting. What does the archangel 299 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:16.000 tell you, Well, right now he's telling me I need 300 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:24.119 to set myself on fire. Okay, So anyone could make 301 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:27.839 a conclusion at this point this was a was not 302 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:32.640 an archangel. Being a bit spiritual now myself, I can 303 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.920 speak with authority. Archangels don't tell people to immolate themselves. 304 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:38.079 They just don't do that. 305 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:39.240 Right. 306 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:46.799 Number two, the mainstream person, the medical establishment certainly would 307 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:52.720 say this person is delusional. You know, they might not 308 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:57.079 know exactly what to diagnose the person as, but there 309 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:00.240 would be a label eventually applied, schizophrenia or some thing, 310 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:06.319 some psychotic break, you know, some disorder. Well, I did 311 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.480 a remote spirit releasement and I found lots of dark 312 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.359 spirits in her which I removed, and there was also 313 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:16.319 a human spirit, an earthbound human spirit attached to her, 314 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:22.960 and I talked with it, and here's one of the 315 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:30.759 things he told me. This is the spirit of a 316 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:36.079 man who was an arsonist when he was in the living, 317 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.960 he died, he became earthbound, found his way to my 318 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.279 client and attached to her. And this is what about 319 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:49.240 a third of people who die end up being an 320 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:55.359 earthbound spirit. So this is the reason she had this preoccupation. 321 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:58.920 And she would talk to this. She thought it was 322 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.839 an archangel. It was a spirit of a troubled human 323 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.960 that had died in state earthbound and was now in 324 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:12.119 her energy as well and giving her bad ideas because 325 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:16.400 it's disturbed. This is a disturbed individual, someone who is 326 00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:20.079 an arsonist like that, and he was literally trying to 327 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:23.279 get her to set herself on fire. This is the 328 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:28.039 kind of thinking someone like that has. It gives them enjoyment, 329 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:32.519 you know, is a fixation it's on. So this is 330 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:37.119 what we're dealing with. We have the potential to pick 331 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.640 these spirits up, and it's a it's a road hazard. 332 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:47.119 It causes a lot of problems with people not completing 333 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:53.759 their education. Their spirit possession is responsible for about seventy 334 00:23:53.759 --> 00:24:00.119 five percent of divorces because they interfere with relationships. They 335 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:04.640 get people into all kinds of compromising situations by fanning 336 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.480 the flames of maybe an impulse that's not so good 337 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.079 for them, but you know, maybe having an affair, taking 338 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:17.279 advantage of somewhat overstepping the bounds and breaking the law. 339 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:24.079 They do things like causing accidents to happen. 340 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.200 Now, would you say that most of these spirits are 341 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:32.480 discarnate human spirits or can it be something else other 342 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:34.279 than of human origin? 343 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:41.319 Most of these spirits that are dark are fallen angelic beings. 344 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.440 There's many, many more of them than there are lost 345 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:52.440 soul human spirits. I don't have precise numbers. The divine 346 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:57.640 won't tell me, probably because the number is so huge. 347 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:02.359 They're a problems for the entire Milky Way galaxy. But 348 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.240 they are the source of evil. So wherever you find evil, 349 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:12.599 whether it's in your neighbor, a politician and the party 350 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.200 you don't like, or whoever it might be, who's taking 351 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:21.599 advantage of people, maybe crooked in some way or just 352 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.880 out of bounds in the way they live their lives 353 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:32.640 and hurt other people. The narcissists, the sociopaths at the extreme, 354 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:37.440 but those who are selfish and just self interested and 355 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:42.559 not inclined to be nice and break rules and try 356 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:46.200 to get the advantage of others and so on. And 357 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:52.880 that corruption comes from somewhere. We blame humanity. We think 358 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.559 humans are defective, they're flawed. You know, the evidence is abundant. 359 00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:58.799 Any day of the week, you look at the news 360 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:03.839 and you'll see exact samples of depravity and delusional kinds 361 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:09.359 of thinking. If not a real mentally disturbed person, but 362 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:15.039 you know, false distorted thinking that most people wouldn't agree with. 363 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:21.880 And that comes from corruption by dark spirits. All of 364 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:25.640 the evil comes from them. It starts from them. But 365 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:29.359 of course those who are corrupted add to the problem. 366 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:32.599 There's many corrupted people. As I was saying, not all 367 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:37.599 are influenced to such an extent. Some are kind of immune. 368 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.319 They don't seem to be listening to whatever the dark 369 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:46.079 spirits are telling them. There's too strong, they're too self contained, 370 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:51.200 have strong will and so on, and they can soldier 371 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:54.599 on and do okay in life, but many people are trouble. 372 00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:04.640 Now round this picture out one more step. In the 373 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.960 course of helping people with this process, I started removing 374 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.119 spirits and doing a little bit of karmic repair, mainly 375 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:17.480 for past traumas. Those things I knew represent a karmic 376 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:24.359 wound of some sort, I would actively work to change that, 377 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.000 and along the way I learned a lot more about 378 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:37.119 this from the divine realm. I started channeling archangels because 379 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:39.559 I wanted to learn more about the details and how 380 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:41.319 things work, and I wasn't going to get that from 381 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.200 these dark spirits. So I wanted to talk to a 382 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.359 higher authority, and I started doing that and worked on 383 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.319 this protocol to refine it and refine it and refine it, 384 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.240 and added more bells and whistles as I learned more 385 00:27:55.279 --> 00:28:00.000 about the phenomenology and probed into where problems come from 386 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.759 and what is going on mechanistically. So I was using 387 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:08.160 my scientific background to look at it at that level 388 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:13.960 of detail as best I could form questions. And one 389 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.000 of the things I stumbled on in looking at people 390 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.599 was there something in them they didn't belong And I 391 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:27.279 learned that it was an alien implant. Fully, five percent 392 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:31.920 of human beings get an alien implant at some point. 393 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:39.359 For that to happen, they're abducted, they're taking aboard a craft, 394 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.960 and an implant is put within them of the kind 395 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:49.440 I was looking at, and so I had to face 396 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:53.839 what this meant? What are the implications? I had clients 397 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.079 who were coming to me to help their lives, and 398 00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:59.279 when I found they had an alien implant? What am 399 00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.480 I going to do now? What does it mean? What 400 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:05.599 are the implications for them? I didn't know. I mean, 401 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:11.720 I'd read books by claimed abductees talking about their lives 402 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:16.160 and the recollections they had about being taken and things 403 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.960 done to them, manipulated with medical procedures, that kind of thing, 404 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.359 and I was prepared to believe that. Because I had 405 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:26.240 seen a ufo as a young man, I knew it 406 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.960 was real. And that was one of the blessings of 407 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:34.200 my kind of guidance because it happened under very unusual 408 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.480 circumstances where I found myself going out my front door 409 00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:43.559 at about two o'clock in the morning and there was 410 00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.960 a giant UFO going across in front of me. So 411 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:52.880 it was my guidance. They impulsed me to step outside, 412 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.720 and so I had that opportunity. So I couldn't discount 413 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.400 when people said I was aboard a ufo because I 414 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.279 saw this spectacular thing. It was unmistakable it made a 415 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.680 right angle turn, shot up into the heavens, and was 416 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.279 gone in about three seconds into a perfectly clear night 417 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:19.039 and boom. You know, no sound, but it chilled me 418 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:23.200 to the bone to witness it. My hair stood on it. 419 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.799 I mean, I knew that there's something really strange about this. 420 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.480 So all these pieces came together with me figuring out 421 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.319 more and more and more about how it all fits. 422 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:42.920 So I knew from that there's an et issue. I 423 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:47.519 couldn't get myself to believe that something of that magnitude 424 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:53.960 is being done for good purposes if no one's talking 425 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.880 about it. There's been no permission obtained to go and 426 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.640 take people in the night, even little children, and manipulate them, 427 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.920 do something to their bodies. What's with that? We would 428 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.240 never allow that being done by humans. Why would we 429 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.599 allow that being done by some extraterrestrial beings we don't 430 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.880 really know, based on maybe a promise that they're here 431 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.319 to help, or whatever they might say to our government. 432 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:26.960 There's something deeply wrong with that picture. So I've had 433 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.200 to come back to that again and again and again 434 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.480 as I've worked with people, because I've found many people 435 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:37.799 are heavily manipulated by the extraterrestrials, and it's a huge 436 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.319 problem in their lives, and not only that, they're manipulating 437 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:49.400 the entirety of humanity on every level that matters, every 438 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:54.480 level that matters. And so there's a lot I can 439 00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:58.759 say about this, but it's sinister. It's sinister entirely. I 440 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:02.279 hate to be telling you these things, but my mission 441 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.960 as a part of the Get Wisdom agenda is to 442 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:14.200 save and heal humanity. So I have the information so 443 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.640 you'll know what the problems are. And I have the 444 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:21.839 tools now to offer in both empowered prayer and this 445 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.400 Light Worker healing protocol that I've cobbled together over years 446 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.599 now adding more and more to and to its power. 447 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.599 And I can talk a lot about that as well, 448 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.480 and why that is a premiere healing tool. Yeah. I'm 449 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.359 told we need to be doing this or we're going 450 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:42.680 to be in real trouble in a few short years now. 451 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:46.640 Yeah, I agree. I think it's really important that you're 452 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.279 talking about this information now because especially because of everything 453 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:53.960 that's coming out in the mainstream, We've got, you know, 454 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.400 celebrities channeling aliens, all kinds of craziness that's just been 455 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.680 popping up in our our mainstream collective consciousness over the 456 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.119 past few years because of what they're seemingly intentionally putting out. 457 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.880 You know, you have mixed messages coming from our own 458 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.119 government about UFOs, from our own media. We had this 459 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.559 UAP report come out the other day, so they're obviously 460 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:23.119 wanting to put this in the human consciousness that aliens exist, 461 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.759 and it's becoming a rather large thing. 462 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:28.039 You know. 463 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:33.799 I don't think it's getting the reaction that's expected from it. 464 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:36.839 I think that more people are kind of ready to 465 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.759 learn that we're not alone than than than originally thought. 466 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.160 But that's just my opinion. But you're right. I think 467 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.200 there is nefarious agendas that play. There's a bunch of 468 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.079 I guess you could say, different infighting factions when it 469 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.839 comes to ufology in general. Even in our own community, 470 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.960 we have people that are spreading disinformation. I think that 471 00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:00.880 there are people intentionally planted in this unity to spread 472 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:06.680 disinformation and the misinformation. Yes, so we're in confusing times 473 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:11.800 or in fascinating times. I'd like to know what's really 474 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.639 going on behind this are at least as much as 475 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:21.679 you've come to understand through your channeling through the extraterrestrial 476 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:26.599 sources that you've actually made contact with. And I guess 477 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.800 as far as we can go from there. 478 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.519 All right, Well, do the best that I can. And 479 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.400 I realized this is quite a leap for most people, 480 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.679 and even people who think of themselves as kind of savvy. 481 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.840 They've read a lot of books, they watch a lot 482 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.360 of things on the internet, they follow certain people and 483 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:54.280 certain websites that probe these things and feel their inform 484 00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.400 I'm here to tell you it's very likely that much 485 00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:03.920 of what you've learned is false information that's being used 486 00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:10.199 for this big manipulation. So here's kind of the problem 487 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:16.239 in a nutshell. Extraterrestrials came to the Earth millions and 488 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:22.199 millions of years ago. They've been present all through the 489 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:26.840 existence of humanity on the planet, except for a very 490 00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:32.440 short period at the very beginning when humans were first installed, 491 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:37.519 after the Earth was configured to be what Creator calls 492 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:41.559 a loving nest. And they've been here ever since to 493 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:49.960 enslave us, to manipulate and downgrade us. And they have 494 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:55.320 been here working behind the scenes, using us as playthings, 495 00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.480 just to have fun. It's like a video game, except 496 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:05.800 you're using real, live, sentient beings you manipulate through mind control, 497 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.559 get them to do goofy things against their own interests, 498 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.400 and then you can laugh at them and see how 499 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.239 you do, how successful you are, and you can maybe 500 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.840 have them go to war with one another, and you know, 501 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.960 your buddy takes one side, you take the other side. 502 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:26.000 You know, I'll be the Western nations, you can have 503 00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:28.920 the Eastern nations, and we'll do a world war. Won't 504 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.159 that be fun? I'll bet I can beat you, you know, 505 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:37.039 with my with my tanks and my Blitzkreek strategies or 506 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:41.199 whatever it might be. This is what's happening. It sounds preposterous, 507 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.639 but if you're an extraterrestrial being who's been there and 508 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.360 done it, seen it all, you have a civilization that's 509 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:54.360 almost five billion years old, and you have been so 510 00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.800 corrupted by spirit detachments that you're now all uniformly coeopaths. 511 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.519 You're part of a culture that cannot love, has no 512 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:11.440 compassion even for their own kind. They live through power 513 00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.679 and forepower. That's all they have, and the only thing 514 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.360 that gives them happiness and enjoyment is holding power over others, 515 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:26.880 fighting to keep it or jostling for position to take 516 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.800 it away from someone else. So they live in a 517 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:35.559 very tough world that's doggy dog, and they prey on 518 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:42.559 other worlds. Many civilizations have been annihilated by these these beings. 519 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:47.599 I'm talking first of all about the Ananaki. They are 520 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:53.639 the oldest of these corrupt extraterrestrials that are messing with us, 521 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:58.840 and so everything has flowed from there. They're in our realm. 522 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:03.480 They have outposts. There are some beings present in very 523 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:09.920 large numbers. There are three races of extraterrestrials in an alliance, 524 00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:16.199 and they tolerate one another and help this kind of enterprise. 525 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:23.599 And in addition, one of those races, the Arcturians developed, 526 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.920 the alien Grays. These are the most familiar et because 527 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.559 they're the most ubiquitous, and there's a zillion in these 528 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:36.480 robotic beings. They're not like us. They're not soul based beings. 529 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:42.079 They're an artificial intelligence, and they're pretty intelligent at this 530 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:48.519 point enough so they want to have some human characteristics. 531 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:54.000 They've taken this up as a quest, and they were 532 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.719 indulged by their Arcturian masters to let them abduct humans 533 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:03.760 and experiment on us, do genetic modification to see what 534 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.199 will happen, learn from it, and they have developed an 535 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:14.159 actual hybrid being that's based on their own DNA. These robots, 536 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:23.000 they're a DNA based technology without the soul connection, and 537 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:30.519 they mate with humans and incorporate human DNA into a hybrid. 538 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:33.440 They've been working on this for thousands of years now, 539 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:38.239 and they've got hybrids that are pretty sophisticated who can 540 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:43.679 pass for human now, and that's their goal, and they 541 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:48.639 want to eventually have the planet for themselves, but first 542 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.559 they want to learn how to reincarnate like we do. 543 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.239 They're smart enough to know there's something we can do 544 00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:01.840 that they can't. When they wear out, break down, whatever, 545 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.960 that's it, they're sent to the trash heap. And you know, 546 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:11.599 there's many more that can be built on command and so. 547 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:17.480 But as an individual entity, they know they will perish 548 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.960 one day forever we do not. They're jealous. They want 549 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.159 that for themselves, and so they want to keep studying us. 550 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.000 But they're the only ones at this point who want 551 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:35.360 us still around. This is a very dangerous turn of events, 552 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.840 and it happened within this last century and mostly within 553 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:44.800 the last decades. They've decided they want to be done 554 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:49.320 with this mess. They're tired of hurting these troubled humans, 555 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:55.119 these troubling humans around because we're so independent minded and 556 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.679 we send to work their efforts in some mysterious way. 557 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:05.840 They think it's our mind somehow, our consciousness has a capability. 558 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.360 When we get together in groups, we can have a 559 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:14.119 certain power, and they're tired of trying to overcome that, 560 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:18.000 figure it out and whatnot. They don't realize what that 561 00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:24.840 really is is the divine realm backstopping us that we're 562 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:31.800 calling on through prayer largely. And so the problem with 563 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.239 their decision that they want to be done with us 564 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.280 is as a parting shot, they're prepared to annihilate everyone 565 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:45.199 living and the race be done totally. And that's related 566 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:50.920 to happen within the next five years. So it gives 567 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:55.239 me no pleasure relaying this. This is probably the worst 568 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.199 thing you will ever hear, and now it's because of me. 569 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.960 So I'm very sorry that we're in this mess. But 570 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:09.679 I didn't create it. I'm only the reporter. I stumbled 571 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.079 on this and probed into it at length, and it 572 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:17.519 took me years to learn this from the divine They 573 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.400 wanted me to be close to the answer before They 574 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:28.760 really came forthright in spelling this out and the implications. 575 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:30.920 Now, I think one thing that we should address for 576 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.039 the audience is when you say you're channeling the divine, 577 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.239 and I guess you know you're you're referring to source 578 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.320 or some people call it God. How did you know 579 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.320 one hundred percent that that is what you were channeling 580 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.239 and that you were not being deceived. 581 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:53.000 That is a very difficult question to answer. It took 582 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.239 me years of skepticism and doubt to reach this level 583 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.960 because every step along the way, as I had doubt, 584 00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.920 there would be little bit less that I would get 585 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:10.920 from them in the way of corroboration confirmation. Why they 586 00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:15.239 have to follow human intention. It's one of the rules 587 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.159 of engagement. When the divine is dealing with humanity, we're 588 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.639 in charge. We're in charge of the world. If he 589 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:27.639 hadn't noticed, or we think we are. God isn't running it. 590 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:31.519 It's humans and they're being manipulated in many ways to 591 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.599 degrade the performance and make it worse. But God is watching, 592 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.079 God is listening. God is within all of us and 593 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:44.880 available to us. But we have to ask. We also 594 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.239 have to believe in God one percent. That's not easy 595 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.880 for most people. We also have to believe in ourselves 596 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.599 one hundred percent that we're worthy of divine support. It 597 00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.960 was easier for me to start out at the level 598 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:05.760 love an archangel. I never had the idea of channeling God. 599 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:11.800 It just seemed too wildly improbable and impossible because we've 600 00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:14.559 been told this. You know, you can't get near God. 601 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.760 You know, the energy is to big. It would likely 602 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.599 kill you outright if you were in God's presence. You 603 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.679 couldn't handle it if you try to deal with it directly. 604 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.960 You know, this is some of the propaganda that's been done. 605 00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:32.639 It turns out God is gentle and loving in dealing 606 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.360 with us and interacting with us and helps us all 607 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:40.880 the time, even little children and infants in a very 608 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.320 nurturing and caring way. That shouldn't be so shocking to people. 609 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.440 But this is an example of the disinformation that's gotten 610 00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:54.079 into religion. You know, like God is judgmental, God is jealous. 611 00:44:54.159 --> 00:45:02.400 God is harsh and demanding and well issue if you disappoint, 612 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.719 if you you know, you get too big for your 613 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.599 bridges or whatever, you'll get smacked down and well, there 614 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:14.000 is a force to reckon with misdeeds. That's the law 615 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.599 of karma. But that runs on autopilot. So that's another 616 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:20.639 complex discussion. All right, So you ask me, how do 617 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:27.000 I know? Well, I came to believe in this voice 618 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:31.360 through the archangels over a long span of time. For 619 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:35.760 one thing, I have no one to guide me with this. 620 00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:38.760 I mean, who is an authority that can tell you 621 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.800 and prove to you that this paradigm is even real. 622 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:47.239 The channelers are actually getting something outside themselves. Science still 623 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:53.039 doesn't believe in extrasensory perception, not as a formal tenet 624 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:57.320 of scientific thought. There are people who do a little 625 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:03.000 research on it. So I had to convince myself, very 626 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:09.079 much a skeptic that first of all, this is something 627 00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:11.440 that's not me, it's not a part of my own mind. 628 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:16.000 That wasn't too hard because I would learn things every 629 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:20.079 time and asking questions I didn't know. So that's pretty 630 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:24.239 good evidence, because you know, I can put together a 631 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.639 pretty thoughtful, incisive question. I can think deeply about things, 632 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.920 and eventually I can get an intuitive sense maybe and 633 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.159 end up close to the truth of things without really 634 00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:39.239 getting any outside information if I work at it and 635 00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.920 leave myself open. And of course Really, what's happening is 636 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.960 my higher self and maybe Creator are giving me some 637 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.000 insight along the way, but that's available to everyone. That's 638 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.719 where your gut hunches and your inner instinct comes from. 639 00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:59.519 It's from your guidance. Principally, you're higher self sometimes spirit 640 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:03.360 guide who are accompanying you and helping you with your 641 00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:08.039 life plan and so on. Though those paradigms are true inaccurate. 642 00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:17.079 So eventually I did run into an impostor and I 643 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:19.480 had some indings with an impostor. It shook me up. 644 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.960 And what happened was I was a little too cavalier, 645 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.320 a little too trusting, and I hadn't nailed down the 646 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:33.000 safety procedures that I really needed to be using. And 647 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:35.960 they let it happen. The divine let it happen. 648 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:37.920 To teach me. 649 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:43.239 So I've experienced that I know what can happen, I 650 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.199 know what it can be like, and it's very seductive. 651 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.960 And this is what is happening with all these channelers. 652 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.280 They love doing what they do because it seems so 653 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:58.599 lofty and wonderful. It's a gift and clearly something few 654 00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:02.480 people can do, so they're not inclined to question it 655 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.920 and What happens, in addition, is if someone is channeling 656 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:13.039 an impostor, the darkness will work on them to make 657 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:19.159 them complacent, to rein them in and keep them constrained 658 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:24.440 in certain ways so they don't ask awkward questions, they 659 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.840 don't probe things too deeply. They stay on the surface 660 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:34.440 and they're only given surface level information, encouragement, upliftment. And 661 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.320 most of them are spiritual folks. They're not scientists, they're 662 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.159 not engineers. They're not thinking about the nuts and bolts 663 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.119 and what makes things go. They want to know about 664 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.840 ascension and the future and the soul and concepts like that. 665 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:54.960 And there's tons of spiritual lore that's accumulated over the centuries. 666 00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:01.039 The impostors take that information, rework it, feed it back 667 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:05.119 to the channelers, and they're happy as a clam. They're 668 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.599 made to be complacent and they're readily full because they 669 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:13.000 don't think something bad could happen if they have good intentions. 670 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.280 It's a trap. Bad things do happen to good people. 671 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:24.280 Look at the news, you know, the innocent victim, the 672 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.960 little kid, there's got a bullet going through their brain, 673 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.400 lying in their crib because there's a drive by shooting. 674 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:35.559 You know that they didn't attract that that is evil 675 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.239 on the march, that has the ascendancy at the moment. 676 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:46.360 So here's what I can tell you by way of corroboration. 677 00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:50.760 This is probably the best I can do. I know 678 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.039 it's not me, and I can talk at length about that, 679 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:56.119 but that would be too boring. But I've looked at 680 00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:03.960 this carefully, and occasionally I'm truly odd by what comes through. Typically, 681 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.599 when I do a channeling session, depending on the material 682 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.480 I want to probe, I make a list of questions, 683 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:13.960 I record them. I go into a mild trance state, 684 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.400 put safety around the work. Connect to the creator of all. 685 00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:21.320 It is who I go to now for all my channeling, 686 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:26.199 because it's the highest, holiest, most sacred source of everything. 687 00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:32.880 And there's a rigor in how I go about that, 688 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.360 and I want to be kept safe. I want it 689 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.400 to be authentic and so on, and I set that 690 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:48.440 intention and I allow whatever comes through to come through. 691 00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:53.039 I play the recorded questions one by one, wait for 692 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:58.320 an answer. When it stops talking through me, I played 693 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:04.480 the next question. Now I ask questions about all kinds 694 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:06.920 of things. I have many people coming to get wisdom, 695 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.199 dot com and they ask about something they saw on 696 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.000 the internet, or something happening with a family member, whatever 697 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:16.920 it might be, and I'll just throw that question into 698 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:21.480 my cue. Some I care about, I'm really curious. Some 699 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:26.079 I'm not that thrilled and knowing about. But I do 700 00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.199 it as a service, you know. I honor that. And 701 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:33.480 some of them are more theoretical in that, and sometimes 702 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:36.320 probing things that I personally don't care that much about, 703 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:39.639 but I do it to keep rounding out the picture. Okay, 704 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:41.719 So I might sit down with a list of ten 705 00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:47.679 questions that are you know, kind of penetrating, probing detail, 706 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:50.880 and I have no skin in the game. I do 707 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.480 no preparation of any kind. I don't look anything up 708 00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.559 try to think about what the answer might be. I 709 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.280 just make a list of the questions from my big 710 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.039 long list, and I go on. I do a session 711 00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.679 and let whatever comes come, and I send it off 712 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.360 to a volunteer who does the transcript and sends it 713 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:12.679 back to me, and she does the best she can 714 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.880 to put in the punctuation, you know, where the end 715 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:16.840 of the sentences are, and that kind of thing, where 716 00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:22.239 to maybe make a paragraph break. And what I find 717 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:31.519 is invariably it's perfect. There's no awkwardness, there's no pauses, 718 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.480 there's no hesitation, there's no fumbling for words, there's no 719 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:41.079 kind of pauses like I might do. Try to think 720 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.800 of what I was just thinking about, and what I'm 721 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:47.559 going to say next, and what's most important and so on. 722 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.159 That takes some time, takes some thought if you're making 723 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:57.119 it up. When I write something, I'll spend hours on something. 724 00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.800 If it's you know, of significance, something I want to 725 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.679 put as a preface to a book or explain something 726 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.880 important to a group of people, and I wanted to 727 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:11.079 really tell the story, Well, I'll spend hours polishing it, 728 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:13.679 and i'll read it the next day and I'll realize, oh, 729 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:15.559 I left this out. I left that out, and I'll 730 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:20.280 have to go and stick that in. Somehow, these channelings 731 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:25.920 get to the point they're cogent, they're deep, and they 732 00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:30.039 tell the story, and they often have components I was 733 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.400 not aware of at all, and thinking about the question 734 00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:39.320 and its meaning, that's how I know it isn't me. 735 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.559 So then who is it? If it's not me? And 736 00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:48.280 I can't prove that. But I couldn't come up with 737 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.960 this material on my own i'd never get there. I've 738 00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:56.360 got answers now in my database on the website alone 739 00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:04.320 to five thousand questions, and so it just happens. So 740 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.079 what is it. It's smarter than I am. So I'm 741 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.800 no slouch. I'm not the smartest person in the world 742 00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:15.280 by far, but I'm not a dummy. And you know, 743 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.559 so I've got some basic native intelligence and some scientific 744 00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:23.400 background and so on, and you know, I have my 745 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:26.760 own cultural exposure such as it is, and all that 746 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:32.840 to draw on. But I can't know everything. I don't. 747 00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.719 But this voice can tell me always something about anything. 748 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:44.039 And the key is in the nature of the answers. 749 00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:49.000 If I asked about a dark subject, I'll get an answer. 750 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.280 If I want to know about something that happened, is 751 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:56.559 there something sinister going on about it? I'll be told. 752 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.559 And I might be told the group this response not 753 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:06.199 names and dates and places and forensic kinds of level 754 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:12.360 of detail, because the divine won't support a human forensic effort. 755 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:17.320 There's a lot of complicating karma in that. But I'll 756 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:24.920 learn about what is wrong. By and large, other channelers 757 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:31.400 don't ever go there. They want reassurance, they want support, 758 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:34.840 they want upliftment. They want sweetness and light talk, or 759 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.639 at least that's what they get always, and that's as 760 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:41.280 far as it goes. They don't get involved with healing 761 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:46.199 tough things and propose ways that can really work. To 762 00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:50.159 do that. When I talk to Creator, and I call 763 00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:54.039 it Creator to make it generic. A lot of people 764 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:57.039 don't like the word God because it triggers them. They 765 00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.920 don't they want to get away from their religious back 766 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:06.480 background and the associations and they don't trust it, and 767 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:11.760 I understand why. But then we have the Muslims. I 768 00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.719 have Muslim clients from time to time, and they want 769 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:16.840 to hear about Allah. If you're going to use a 770 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.039 nerd a name, they don't want to g word thrown 771 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:23.440 at them. So I call it Creator and that helps 772 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.960 me with some of the new age folks who who 773 00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.519 you know, like that idea source, source, energy and that 774 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:35.280 sort of thing. The key is you have to mean 775 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.920 God when you say source. If you just talk about source, 776 00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.920 you're talking about nothing except you know, some vague idea 777 00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:48.960 you might have that there's some vast energy out there 778 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.039 whatever you're thinking in if you want to bring the 779 00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.840 white light in to do something that is no meaning 780 00:56:56.039 --> 00:57:00.800 in and of itself unless you're talking about holy light, 781 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:07.039 light that comes from the true divine. The rest is 782 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:12.880 hand waving, it's wishful thinking. It's people fooling themselves, and 783 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:18.679 there'll be an impostors show up immediately to engage with 784 00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.079 them if they start doing that. This is where people 785 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.360 get in trouble. They meditate and they want to reach 786 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:28.000 out to the universe. They'll get a reply, but it 787 00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.880 won't be God who's talking to them. It'll be an 788 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:35.559 ananarchi psychic watching the skies for people like that. We're 789 00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:37.599 not supposed to be doing that. We're supposed to be 790 00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:42.079 complacent and not using our intuitive ability. That has been 791 00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:46.440 tried to. The attempt has been made to stamp that out, 792 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:54.920 and so that's a forbidden activity, frankly. So all right, 793 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:59.719 So this information I get is lofty, it's more than 794 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:03.840 I know know, and it deals with the darkness as 795 00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:06.119 well as the light. And it names names in the 796 00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:11.840 sense of groups and organizations who are doing terrible, terrible 797 00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:18.760 things all the time. And I've learned so much about 798 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:24.400 how humanity is being harmed and corrupted and it's not pretty. 799 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.519 So I found out along the way first at the 800 00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:32.840 level of the archangels, because I knew that I wanted. 801 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.400 I was interested in healing primarily, and so I asked 802 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.199 all kinds of things about medicine, and I never got 803 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:44.639 a lot of positive encouragement about medicine from them. And 804 00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:47.239 you know, and I could understand that, because there's limits 805 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.760 to the pharmaceutical approach, which is the main thing, and 806 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.519 then surgery, which they say we shouldn't even be doing 807 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.599 at all. And I can talk about that at some 808 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:57.840 point with you, if you're interested, down the line. 809 00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.480 But so. 810 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:08.679 One day I asked about another kind of institution, the 811 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:15.639 educational system. Boy did I get an air full about 812 00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:22.880 all the ways that it's misguided, misdirected, misappropriated, and manipulated 813 00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:33.519 for evil purposes. Evil yikes. I wasn't expecting that. And 814 00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:37.119 of course, like everyone I know, things aren't perfect. So 815 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:41.639 the legal system isn't perfect. They make mistakes, They incarcerate 816 00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:47.360 some innocent people, they let's let free some people who 817 00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:50.159 are actually perpetrated. It's just not always easy. You don't 818 00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:53.760 always have enough evidence, or evidence can be taged, it 819 00:59:53.800 --> 01:00:00.800 can be overinterpreted, and so mistakes are made. I got 820 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:05.840 another ear full, and on and on it went. Every 821 01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:10.599 sphere of human endeavor is highly corrupted, working against our 822 01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:15.760 best interests much of the time. And that's why life 823 01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:22.880 is frustrating, difficult, challenging, and often filled with disappointment for 824 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:29.280 so many people. Yeah, and like deliberately constrained and minimized, like. 825 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.760 You said earlier, this, I mean, this can be a 826 01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:34.480 lot for people to hear, especially if they're hearing some 827 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.800 of this for the first time. You know, it can 828 01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:41.559 be a little discouraging. And like I always you know, 829 01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:45.119 try to do I try to offer solutions towards the 830 01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:48.079 end of each show, especially if we're going to be 831 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:51.280 discussing heavy things like what's what's happening right now? Any 832 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:54.920 solutions that are possible? And people kind of look at 833 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:56.920 that and they're like, man, this whole system is too 834 01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:00.559 big to fail. What could possibly be a solution for 835 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.320 these problems? So that's why I'd like to kind of 836 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.960 close out with are there any solutions to what's happening 837 01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:09.920 right now? I mean, you gave like a timeframe of 838 01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:14.960 maybe within five years, they're trying to basically enslave humanity. 839 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:18.320 Is there any way we can counter this and shift 840 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:20.519 this and turn it around. 841 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:25.400 Yes, And that ties in nicely with the idea that 842 01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:30.480 I'm talking to something that is lofty, because I am 843 01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:35.639 getting answers about how to deal with this very dilemma. 844 01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:40.239 And the reason is I am asking. By and large, 845 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:46.519 people aren't doing that. They're complacent. They think it's you know, 846 01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:50.559 human levels stuff. You know, people are squirrely, they're reliable, 847 01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:55.599 they're corrupted, and they're easily corrupted. They're selfish, and that's 848 01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:58.159 what this is. Some are outright criminals and so on. 849 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:01.159 It's unfortunate, but it's always been this way, look at history, 850 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:04.599 et cetera, et cetera. But it's bigger than that. It's 851 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:08.480 worse than that, because mind control is very powerful and 852 01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:14.400 it gets people to do terrible things. And the best 853 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.679 evidence I can give you about the validity of the 854 01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:21.880 voice I talk with is that it gives me lots 855 01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:27.840 of confirmation about how to fix things and heal things. 856 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.639 This is a healing need that we're talking about here. 857 01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:37.440 And here's the interesting divine perspective about it. Do we 858 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.760 need to learn how to make super weapons and develop 859 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.920 an army to ring the cities and fight them in 860 01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:49.239 the skies, or what do we do? None? Of that. 861 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:56.719 They are opposed to war entirely, killing other things entirely. 862 01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:01.119 They'll tell you it's better to just be killed than 863 01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:06.440 to kill other beings. There is a time when if 864 01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:09.239 there's something at that level that's at stake, like the 865 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:12.800 entirety of humanity, it might be the lesser of evils 866 01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:15.480 to have a war. That was what World War two 867 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:19.039 was about. It was intended to result in the annihilation 868 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:24.360 of humanity. So those heroes who won World War two 869 01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:29.079 were divinely inspired and assisted to do that. So there's 870 01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:33.039 exceptions at times to these kinds of divine rules, because 871 01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:37.719 otherwise the darkness will win. So we're given some help. 872 01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:43.719 But this is our problem to solve. We are the answer. 873 01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:48.000 We were created to solve the problem of evil. Believe 874 01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:54.719 it or not, these ets were created along before we were. 875 01:03:56.079 --> 01:04:02.199 They became depraved and were pillaging the entire higher galaxy. 876 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:05.760 The problem is the free will paradigm that creates the 877 01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:10.519 possibility of bad along with the good. And it happened, 878 01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:16.920 and these fallen and angels started this, and we were 879 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:24.079 created to be relatively new, still enough connected to the 880 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:28.880 light that we could stay pure enough and in divine 881 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:34.719 alignment enough to work through the divine to accomplish. 882 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:34.880 What was needed. 883 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.840 No one else in our galaxy isn't enough divine alignment 884 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.920 to do this. Who was in the physical There are 885 01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:50.519 a few high level, high vibrational in other dimensions beings, 886 01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:53.960 but not somebody who can be the boots on the ground, 887 01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:59.159 which is what's needed. That's us. Most are asleep. You 888 01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:03.559 can't count on that. Some are definitely oppositional. They're being 889 01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:07.760 manipulated and controlled so heavily to be dark and to 890 01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:11.599 throw wrenches in the works of any kind of humanitarian enterprise. 891 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:14.840 You can't count on them. You know. They're frank criminals, 892 01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:18.880 many of them. And there is a collaboration with the 893 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:25.159 US government with the formation of a mercenary army of 894 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:29.840 humans being mind controlled to do that. That's how the 895 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:33.679 annihilation will be done. By human beings turning against others 896 01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:40.000 because of the mind control, they cannot be aware of 897 01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:45.360 what they're doing. That's how powerful this can be. So 898 01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:48.800 we have to stop it. Now, How do you do 899 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:51.880 it if you can't fight and win because they're too 900 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:57.039 advanced technologically and you can't get any outside help, which 901 01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:02.119 is true, by the way, what are you left with 902 01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:08.239 you're only left with the Divine. That is our ace 903 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:11.559 in the hole. God has the power to stop it, 904 01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:16.079 but cannot do it because it's our problem. We're responsible. 905 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:22.840 We need to take charge and make this happen. So 906 01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:26.880 what we need then is a partnership. We need to 907 01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.880 partner with a divine. So walking hand in hand with 908 01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:35.800 the Almighty, we have the capability to turn this around. 909 01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:42.639 All right, So, nitty gritty, how does that happen? Show 910 01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:46.800 up one day with a giant next to you, intimidate 911 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:53.480 the interlopers. No, Asking the Divine for the things that 912 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:57.679 will work is the key. We can do it to 913 01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:00.800 some extent through prayer. We can do it more powerfully 914 01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:05.199 with this healing protocol, and what it asks is for 915 01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:08.519 the Divine to come in and take care every level 916 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:14.400 of negativity that has befallen us and the interlopers who 917 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.719 are manipulating us and want to do these terrible things, 918 01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:23.280 the ets and the dark spirits. The key is healing 919 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:30.000 the perpetrators. That is how we can be saved. If 920 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:34.760 we heal those who intend to do us in. That 921 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:39.880 can't happen unless they're victims are healed first. This is 922 01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:50.079 how the universe works. You cannot be forgiven, restored, rejuvenated 923 01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:54.360 for the things that have happened to take you out 924 01:07:54.400 --> 01:08:00.360 of alignment unless the mess is cleaned up. That's how 925 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.920 you come back to the fold. You clean up your mess, 926 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:06.800 or get some help to clean it up if it's 927 01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:11.039 too big down for you to handle. That is the 928 01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:17.239 path back to full empowerment for humanity and to be 929 01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:22.359 healed and kept safe. Take care of the perpetrators first, 930 01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:29.920 so they will withdraw and leave us alone. Then continued 931 01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:34.319 healing can happen for humanity in earnest to get us 932 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:39.119 ready to have an ascension to a higher plane of existence. 933 01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:45.960 That is what is planned for us. Many people perceive that, 934 01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:49.359 psychics and so on. They see an ascension in our future. 935 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:54.199 Some see an annihilation, an apocalypse. That's what was talked 936 01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:57.199 about in the Bible. You know the Book of Revelation, 937 01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:01.039 and you know the end of the world armageddon. That's 938 01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:06.840 the other dire possibility, one or the other. Well, if 939 01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:12.119 we can ascend, it will only be because we solve 940 01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:17.000 the problem of evil and help the interlopers find a 941 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.119 better path. Then we'll live long enough to go through 942 01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:25.520 this process of being raised up. If we do not 943 01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:30.279 save them and heal them enough to get them out 944 01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:35.640 of our air, they may well do us in and 945 01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.239 that will be the end of humanity at least in 946 01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:40.760 this go run. We won't have a planet to live on, 947 01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:45.359 we won't be able to come back again, and because 948 01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:50.279 we'll be immediately dealt with, so we'll be back in 949 01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:54.119 the light because we have an immortal soul licking our wounds, 950 01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:58.439 feeling sorry for ourselves, maybe regretting that we couldn't pull 951 01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:02.000 this off after how many thoughts and years we've been 952 01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.199 working on this. Now many of us are old souls. 953 01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:09.800 We were live before the universe was started, So this 954 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:13.720 has been going on for millennia, and we have a 955 01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:16.439 huge stake in this and it would be a shame 956 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.479 to have it fall apart. Now when we're that close 957 01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:25.479 to a turning point. To make our future destiny start 958 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:28.720 to happen in a big, big way, we will leave 959 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:33.720 the physical realm, will be in a higher dimension that 960 01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:37.359 allows us to traverse the universe at will have many 961 01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:42.000 kind of divine level capabilities, creating things out of energy, 962 01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:43.880 like we would like to do with our minds but 963 01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:47.680 really can't so much as a physical human We have 964 01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:52.920 a remembrance that we can do magical things, but not 965 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:55.239 as a physical human. But we're going to go back 966 01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:57.720 to that and have free reign through the universe, to 967 01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:03.279 be an ambassador for Creator and allow greater free will 968 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:07.640 throughout the universe than ever before, because we will have 969 01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:15.000 proved any darkness that does arise can be dealt with successfully. 970 01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:20.159 We will have proven it. That's to be our role. 971 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:25.479 But we're running out of time, so we have the protocol. 972 01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:28.920 We have empowered prayer to ask for all the things 973 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:35.039 germane to solving this problem, uplifting those who would harm humans, 974 01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:39.039 those who are working against the truth of the divine. 975 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.239 You can say a prayer asking for that and you 976 01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:46.079 will be helping thwart the annihilation. You don't have to 977 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:51.600 spell that out. You can just ask for the upliftment 978 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:56.079 of those who cause harm, and for all to be 979 01:11:56.239 --> 01:12:00.319 raised up and love to open the hearts of all all, 980 01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:05.359 and you'll have it covered. You see, it's not really 981 01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:10.399 just us against them. Us first and foremost deal with them. 982 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:15.800 They've are proven that we can't get anything positive from them. 983 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.199 That's not the way to look at We have to 984 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:25.319 be more divine than that and recognize they are people 985 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:30.319 who are corrupted, beings who are corrupted, and they are 986 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:38.159 imperil themselves because they will perish eventually the way they're going. 987 01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:43.920 These extraterrestrials, they're doomed with the path they're on, and 988 01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:48.880 the dark spirits are already doomed. They only exist as parasites. 989 01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:58.279 And if this physical realm is all essentially to become 990 01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:01.840 obsolete one day because it served the purpose as a 991 01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:07.680 training ground, all those dark angelic spirits will get recycled. 992 01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:10.920 There'll be no more that could happen to some of 993 01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:14.039 the races of physical beings. Also if they're beyond the 994 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:17.960 pales still, so the plan is for us to descend 995 01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:21.279 and then keep healing them from the light. So all 996 01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:25.640 I can tell you is this source of knowledge is 997 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:30.279 about healing and helping. I'm not getting that so much 998 01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:33.239 from other sources. Now some of them are starting to 999 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:39.319 talk about, Yeah, there are some peskyts out there and 1000 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:42.600 we're gonna have to face it and we're going to 1001 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.239 have to do something, and we're gonna need some powerful 1002 01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:48.520 friends to come in, and there are some benevolent ets 1003 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:52.399 out there. So thankfully we're going to have an ally 1004 01:13:52.479 --> 01:13:57.119 who's able to face these dark ETS and help us 1005 01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:03.399 with this contest that's coming. That's a plan being put 1006 01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:09.560 into action already. That's why there have been leaks about ETS, 1007 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:16.920 about a program involving the US military and ETS and 1008 01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:21.399 this disclosure movement that is gaining strength all the time, 1009 01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:24.880 and they think they're doing really wonderful things to bring 1010 01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:28.960 forth the truth. You know that the government's hiding the 1011 01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:32.640 details and we're grown up enough to handle it, et cetera. 1012 01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:40.279 That is a trojan horse campaign to have the ETS 1013 01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:43.640 come out of the closet claiming to be our friends 1014 01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:49.600 and savior. And I'm told if we let them have 1015 01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:54.439 more power and control, it's all over because the divine 1016 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.439 will be helpless. We will have chosen who were lining 1017 01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:00.560 up with. If we line up with the band guys, 1018 01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:04.840 even if they have a good story, we're doomed. So 1019 01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:08.600 that is the bottom line message here and why this 1020 01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:11.920 is important. You're not going to find other humans by 1021 01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:16.640 and large who are not misguided in some way, some 1022 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:21.479 very deeply corrupted. But there's so much disinformation and it's 1023 01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:22.520 gotten the head start. 1024 01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:27.159 Yeah, it has, and we man, we're living in such 1025 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:32.359 fascinating times and critical times, and we've barely just kind 1026 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:34.720 of scratched the surface of a lot of the information 1027 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:37.840 that I think people need to hear about. So I'd 1028 01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:40.439 definitely love to have you back on in the near 1029 01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:44.039 future so we can you know, keep updated and keep 1030 01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:47.359 finding out what's really happening in our world. 1031 01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:55.239 Well, there are many fascinating details about this whole enterprise 1032 01:15:55.399 --> 01:16:00.079 because it's vast in its workings. Yeah, and they have 1033 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:05.199 so many humans working for them, carrying out little subplots 1034 01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:13.119 and strategies two fool people and to cause trouble, to 1035 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:18.079 drain us of energy and resources. So one of them 1036 01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:21.319 is the bio warfare that goes on. It's been all 1037 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:27.600 through history. All these pathogens are extraterrestrial. They come and 1038 01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:31.399 they spray them into our environment, and then we get 1039 01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:35.399 a plague or we get a you know, virus and influenza, 1040 01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:40.560 you know on the COVID nineteen right. So that's just 1041 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:44.720 one of many many sources of attack that they use 1042 01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:50.000 to sap our strength, to soften us up, and that's 1043 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:53.479 the plan. It's it's fun for them because they're kind 1044 01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.600 of savoring it, you know. They they wouldn't want to, 1045 01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.000 you know, it's like the art of cooking. You know, 1046 01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:01.479 do you want an instant meal like you push your 1047 01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:04.479 button and boom the meal, or do you like cooking 1048 01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:08.359 it slowly over the coals and watching its sizzle and 1049 01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:12.399 bubble and the heat. I mean, that's kind of like 1050 01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:16.199 the way they think. If there's more pain, they're all in. 1051 01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:19.000 They want it slow and painful. 1052 01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:23.760 Well, Carl, I'm so glad that you're coming out with 1053 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:27.720 this information. I think that even though it's a tough 1054 01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:29.520 pill for a lot of people to swallow, we need 1055 01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:31.880 to keep exploring this kind of thing. And like I said, 1056 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:34.399 I'd love to have you back on sometime in the 1057 01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:38.159 future before you head out. If people are interested in 1058 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:41.800 finding out more about you and your work, your channelings, 1059 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:44.439 anything like that. It is getwisdom dot com. 1060 01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:49.720 Right absolutely that you can learn about the different areas 1061 01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:53.680 of involvement here are healing work and our exploration to 1062 01:17:53.760 --> 01:18:01.079 learn about the unusual, the paranormal, and the idea of spirituality, 1063 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:05.840 to promote truth of the divine and help people understand 1064 01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:09.800 what it is like how to interact with it, and 1065 01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:16.359 fill in the blanks about the different kinds of beings 1066 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:19.560 and the hierarchies and so on and what it can 1067 01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:20.279 mean for you. 1068 01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:26.760 Definitely check that part of it. Yes, we are all 1069 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:29.119 part of it. And I want to thank you again 1070 01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:32.039 Carl for coming on tonight. Like I said, we'll have 1071 01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:34.560 some we'll have some more shows in the future. We 1072 01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:38.359 can explore some of this information further and it'll be 1073 01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:39.119 great to talk. 1074 01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:41.359 To you again. And oh, thank you so much. 1075 01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:44.720 Of course, tonight we're gonna welcome Ronnie Dawson. He is 1076 01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:49.159 a Texas oil field worker whose UFO alien encounter received 1077 01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:52.600 international tension. He was featured on an episode of Caught 1078 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:55.840 on Camera on Japanese TV and made an appearance on 1079 01:18:56.079 --> 01:19:00.039 NBC First Look Roswell Experience or Panel. He is the 1080 01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.640 author of the Ronnie Dawson UFO Story and has been 1081 01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:06.600 a guest on multitude of radio shows, and his story 1082 01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:09.640 has been featured on websites across the globe. He was 1083 01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:15.079 also recently a featured presenter at the UFO Mega Conference. Ronnie, 1084 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:19.039 welcome to Forbidden Knowledge News and again, how have you been. 1085 01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:21.960 I thank you, Chris, It's really good to be here. 1086 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:24.000 I'm doing great and doing great. 1087 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:27.359 Awesome. Yeah, it was great meeting you, hanging out with 1088 01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:31.439 you and writer at the conference. You had an awesome presentation, 1089 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:35.479 and man, you have experienced some crazy shit, to say 1090 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:38.880 the least. A lot of my audience may not have 1091 01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:42.239 heard your stories yet, so I really want to get 1092 01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:45.079 into that. Plus you have some photographic evidence we're going 1093 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:48.720 to share here at the end. Now, Ronnie, before any 1094 01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:51.319 of this ever happened to you, what was your life 1095 01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:55.439 like and did you believe in UFOs and aliens? 1096 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.199 Man? You know, I kind of thought that there's a 1097 01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:01.000 possibility of it, But I out in the middle of nowhere, 1098 01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:03.359 and I worked nights, and I'm out there in the 1099 01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:05.680 middle of nowhere, and I haven't seen anything. I'm thinking, 1100 01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:08.039 you know, if somebody would see something out there at 1101 01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:11.239 nights sneaking around, it should have been us, guys. And 1102 01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:15.039 for twenty four years, I didn't see anything. And so, 1103 01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:17.760 you know, I was fairly confident that everything up there 1104 01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:21.319 in the sky was explainable and everything I had seen 1105 01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:23.159 when I was able to explain it, even though I'd 1106 01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:26.800 seen some wild stuff, but it was all explainable as 1107 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.520 far as I could tell. And so I was kind 1108 01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:32.079 of a skeptic. Really, I was skeptic. 1109 01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:35.479 Now, when did you have your very first experience that 1110 01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:36.560 you really couldn't deny. 1111 01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:41.039 It was about two thousand and nine. We started seeing 1112 01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:44.399 some lights moving around out in the out out in 1113 01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:47.520 the woods. Whether it wouldn't anybody or anything out there, 1114 01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:49.239 and I mean it was lights that would appear in 1115 01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:51.399 the darkness. They would drop down to the field, sit 1116 01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:53.920 there for a few seconds, pop up two hundred feet, 1117 01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:57.640 be joined by a second one disappear. Lights would come 1118 01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.319 on and sequence over the trees, and then they would just. 1119 01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:02.760 And where in the United States was this approximately? 1120 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:06.039 This was over here in north central Texas and the 1121 01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:09.920 north central Texas and the upper Northern Hill Country of Texas. 1122 01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:13.199 And it's a very rural area out here, and uh, 1123 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:14.960 like I said, I'd been out there twenty four years 1124 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:17.720 and I hadn't seen anything like this, And it was 1125 01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:21.359 really odd trying to figure out what this was. And 1126 01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:23.920 I was kind of putting two and two together. And 1127 01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:26.439 then I was going down the road and three lights 1128 01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:28.800 came on, and then six lights came on, and they 1129 01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:31.000 were up ahead of me over the highway and they 1130 01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:34.479 were hyping there probably a thousand feet up, huge lights. 1131 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:37.239 And then three more came on. There was nine lights. 1132 01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:40.079 And now I've seen three of the lights broke off 1133 01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:42.680 travel down to the ground. Within a two minute period, 1134 01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:44.920 about a quarter mile up to my left, they shined 1135 01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:48.239 a blue being down on the ground, and then there 1136 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:51.600 was a human like a humanoid figurine with a large 1137 01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:54.239 head fir its body walking around out there in the field. 1138 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:58.079 And inside the blue light there was something darker blue 1139 01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:00.880 being lifted. And as I got to this and was 1140 01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:03.399 observing all this, trying to figure out what was going 1141 01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:05.600 on over there, I seen a cow. It was a 1142 01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:08.119 cow in the light being lifted, and it was whipping 1143 01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:11.279 its head from side to side, and so at that 1144 01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:14.439 point I kind of, you know, figured, okay, it was 1145 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.960 kind of a lot. I was thinking, anyways, if these 1146 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.239 things aren't from around here right now. 1147 01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:23.640 You saw a cow being pulled into, did you see 1148 01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:25.039 the craft that it was being pulled into. 1149 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:27.279 I couldn't see the shape of the craft. All I 1150 01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:29.760 could see was the craft had three large white lights 1151 01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:32.520 that were whitish blue lights that were shining out of 1152 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.920 what it looked like porthole openings in it. And I 1153 01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:38.760 could not see the shape of the craft, but I 1154 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:40.520 could see the beam going down to the ground, and 1155 01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:42.800 I could see the dark blue object being lifted in it. 1156 01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:44.920 I couldn't tell what it was at first, but I 1157 01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:47.279 could clearly make out finally that it was a cow 1158 01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:49.079 and it was whipping its head from side to side, 1159 01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:50.399 not enjoyed being lifted. 1160 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:53.880 Wow, do you have any questions about that experience? 1161 01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:58.680 Writer? Just that it's interesting that you brought up, Ronnie 1162 01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:02.279 that the lights were kind of different colored. You said 1163 01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:07.359 white and blue, right, Like I've heard that UFOs whenever 1164 01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:11.680 they're seen when they're multi collared, and they're very vibrant 1165 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:17.000 and different colored lights. So those are real extraterrestrial craft, 1166 01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:20.640 and the other ones that are just white are more 1167 01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:24.479 than likely military craft one of ours. Is that true 1168 01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:26.520 to your knowledge? 1169 01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:29.840 And you know, I've had other experiences to see the 1170 01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:32.279 color of the lights in my pictures and videos and 1171 01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:34.800 stuff and say they just they knew that my stuff 1172 01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:36.319 was real just in the color of the lights. 1173 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:39.960 Like we're going to show some of those pictures. They 1174 01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:44.199 have very bright colored lights in some of these objects 1175 01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:49.479 that you're showing. It's very interesting, now, this this experience 1176 01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:51.720 with the cow and the lights, this was all the 1177 01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:53.800 same experience, right, This was one time. 1178 01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:56.640 Yeah, that was just one experience there, But I mean 1179 01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:59.279 I was going out during the week and I will 1180 01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:01.279 see lights come on over the fields and go off, 1181 01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:03.000 and I'd see them drop down to the field and 1182 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:05.119 sit there for a second and then pop up. And 1183 01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:07.760 so we were seeing some weird stuff out there before 1184 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:09.960 the calib duction, and the calib duction was a real 1185 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.119 wake up call for me that this is probably et 1186 01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:15.680 more than likely, because I'd heard about calaib ductions everywhere, 1187 01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:18.720 but not many people in the world have actually witnessed one. 1188 01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:21.399 But I actually witnessed one while I was driving down 1189 01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:24.199 the highway. I even rode down my driver's side window 1190 01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:25.680 so I could get a clear look at it. The 1191 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:28.279 thought of stopping and watching it crossed my mind, but 1192 01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:30.199 after I seen that it was a cow being lifted, 1193 01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:32.800 I just wanted to leave. I had no I had 1194 01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:34.720 seen everything I wanted to see. 1195 01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:39.000 Right, Did you have any other experiences where you witnessed 1196 01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:42.119 any cattle mutilations or anything like that. 1197 01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.319 I have no idea what happened to the cow they got, 1198 01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.399 if it got killed, taken back, or never just disappeared 1199 01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:50.479 all together, you know, I have no idea what happened 1200 01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:52.640 to the cow after that. And like I said, it 1201 01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:55.239 was just an area of the highway. I was traveling 1202 01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:58.840 down and so I have you know the consequencies of 1203 01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:01.199 the cow. I have no idea what happened happened to 1204 01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:04.960 that thing, but I can I can imagine what happened now. 1205 01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:07.920 How many people were with you, Ronnie, whenever this happened, 1206 01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:09.560 were there others with you? 1207 01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:09.640 No? 1208 01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:12.039 I was I was working by myself, traveling down the 1209 01:25:12.319 --> 01:25:14.760 traveling down alongst stretch of the highway between Cisco, Texas 1210 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:18.800 and Rise of Star called Highway one eighty three South Francisco, Texas. 1211 01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:20.800 And they headed two rises started to pick up a 1212 01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:23.880 load of crude all down there. So and this all 1213 01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:25.560 happened right in front of me on the highway and 1214 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:28.920 the big craft I had gotten underneath it, because like 1215 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.000 I said, there was nine lights and three had broken off, 1216 01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:32.920 and then the six lights that were still above me. 1217 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:35.479 At one point they just couldn't I couldn't see him anymore. 1218 01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:37.319 It was like whatever it was up there, I had 1219 01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:38.319 driven under the thing. 1220 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:42.760 So so this was like your first experience then, Yeah, 1221 01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:45.319 that was my first biggest that's my first big wake 1222 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:46.399 up call, you know. 1223 01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:49.119 I seen and it was the thing walking around on 1224 01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:51.760 the field. It looked like a little skinny person with 1225 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:54.399 a huge head on it, and there was a fluorescent 1226 01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:57.199 green and yellow light just glowing around it. 1227 01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:59.600 Did you see what happened to him or where he went? 1228 01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:03.359 No, I couldn't see. I couldn't see him all that well, 1229 01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:05.039 but I could just tell it was a humanoid with 1230 01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:08.159 a head that was way too big. And then the 1231 01:26:08.279 --> 01:26:11.920 light was probably fifty yards from him. And uh, inside 1232 01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:13.680 the light there was something being lifted and I could 1233 01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:15.720 see it. I could see it rising up, and I 1234 01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:17.640 was it drew my attention to it, and when I 1235 01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:20.520 saw that it was a cow, I was like, oh, man, okay, 1236 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:21.800 this has just gotten real. 1237 01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:24.880 Man, that's weird. And uh so after this, you saw 1238 01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:29.880 lights in the field. You saw these lights quite often recurring. 1239 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:33.119 Yeah. You you couldn't go out there almost some It's 1240 01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:34.960 like it's like once a week you go out there. 1241 01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:37.399 I'd work Wednesday and Thursday night, use me and uh 1242 01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:39.439 on Wednesday and a Thursday night, you could. You could 1243 01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:42.720 not go out there without seeing something something odd. It 1244 01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:45.840 wasn't always something amazing like a calibduction, but it was 1245 01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:49.000 always a light that came on, sequenced and went off, 1246 01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:52.840 or something odd, something that was unexplainable every every week. 1247 01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:59.640 Now, eventually you actually had encounters in contact with probably 1248 01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:01.000 extra terrestrial beings. 1249 01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:01.520 Uh. 1250 01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:04.960 Now, when was your first experience that you made contact 1251 01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:07.640 with something not human? 1252 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:11.439 Well, the first thing that the first thing that happened 1253 01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:13.600 is I had an alien home invasion that happened in 1254 01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:16.880 twenty a ten, and it was it was not about 1255 01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:19.439 a year after we started seeing the lights and and 1256 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:23.079 not I think it was. I don't know, it was 1257 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:26.039 a little bit after the catlebduction, maybe six months or 1258 01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:29.479 so something like that after the calab duction, but we 1259 01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:31.880 started seeing I started seeing some beautiful craft. I could 1260 01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:36.039 almost see the craft with the lights signalcent around it, 1261 01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:38.640 and it was stay in the same position in the lights. 1262 01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:41.319 It had like a counterclockwiss rotation, and one light would 1263 01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:43.520 rotate out of you and another one would come into view, 1264 01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:46.680 and it was like a disc that had a counterclockwise rotation. 1265 01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:49.119 And I was trying to get pictures and observing this 1266 01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:52.239 on a couple of different occasions. And uh. And then 1267 01:27:52.640 --> 01:27:54.640 one day in the late afternoon in the broad daylight, 1268 01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:59.000 I've seen a huge black something over a rural farmhouse 1269 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:02.479 on private property. It was still daylight and At first 1270 01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:04.279 I thought the place might be on fire because it 1271 01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:06.920 was very dark cloud over the top of this house. 1272 01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:08.680 But as I got closer to the house, I could 1273 01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:11.000 see these big whitish blue lights came on in the 1274 01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:13.479 middle of it, and I could tell that it was 1275 01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:16.520 a UFO craft and it started moving away from the house. 1276 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:19.039 That was really fuzzy. Even if you'd had a really 1277 01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:21.000 good camera, you wouldn't have got a good picture because 1278 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:23.399 I don't know what was caused in the disturbance, if 1279 01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:25.199 it was some kind of a stealth or something, but 1280 01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:27.800 there was not a whole lot of detail in the 1281 01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:30.039 shape of the craft, but you could definitely see it was. 1282 01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:33.199 It was larger than the house and black and moving off, 1283 01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:36.600 and it had it had four big lights in the 1284 01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:39.520 middle strung throughout the middle of it, and it was 1285 01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:41.199 started moving off ahead of me. And I had a 1286 01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:42.960 camera and I tried to get a picture of it 1287 01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:46.319 in the daylight, and the camera failed. The camera lens opened, 1288 01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:48.880 the batteries were good, and the thing just froze up. 1289 01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:50.880 I don't know if they had anything to do with 1290 01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:53.880 it or it was just bad timing and the camera malfunction, 1291 01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:56.399 but I would have had a great opportunity to catch 1292 01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.800 it right there in the daylight. I was actually following 1293 01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:00.680 this thing out, unable to get a picture of it 1294 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:04.319 after the camera failed, and then the thing just turned translucent. 1295 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:06.560 I was waiting for it to shoot off or see 1296 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:09.199 how it took off, and this thing just it went translucent. 1297 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:11.479 You could all of a sudden it got almost like 1298 01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:14.760 a mirage and you could just see right through it. 1299 01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:16.800 And it just like it's like the stelle started working 1300 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:18.840 or something, and it just vanished right in front of 1301 01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:22.359 my eyes. Wow. This was in the late afternoon. It 1302 01:29:22.359 --> 01:29:23.159 wasn't even darker. 1303 01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:27.960 Now, this was part of the home invasion scenario. 1304 01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:31.800 That was just prior to the home invasion scenario, but 1305 01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:34.520 it actually I had that was the second craft I 1306 01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:37.520 had seen you six days and and I had been 1307 01:29:37.520 --> 01:29:39.439 trying to think outside the box. And I had this 1308 01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:41.800 two hundred and fifty MILLI lot green laser I'd got, 1309 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:43.439 and I had the idea that I could shoot this 1310 01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:46.239 green laser at one of these UFOs. Have a friend 1311 01:29:46.279 --> 01:29:49.520 recorded and if the craft's propostion system was bend in 1312 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:52.079 the FABRICA's face around it, it should make the light 1313 01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:54.680 appear to be end or disappear or do something odd. 1314 01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:57.159 And my thinking was that if I could actually get 1315 01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:59.760 a video or just doing that, we'd really have some 1316 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:03.920 holiday presented to the scholars and skeptics that what we're 1317 01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:09.079 seeing is real, not from around here. So I contacted 1318 01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:11.399 a friend of mine, Alan Ostracio, who lived in a 1319 01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:13.359 house house out of town here, and he agreed to 1320 01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:15.319 help me in my little project. So I brought up 1321 01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:18.319 the laser. I had the camera when we were UFO 1322 01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:21.079 watching in his backyard, and I had seen two in 1323 01:30:21.119 --> 01:30:24.119 six days. This is dying number seven, and we were 1324 01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:27.039 basically UFO watching, hoping that we'd get the chance to 1325 01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:29.479 do something like that like I'd been hoping to do right. 1326 01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:32.880 So and we sat there with you and up UFO 1327 01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:36.159 watching for a while, and I didn't I could hear 1328 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:38.359 military jets coming around, and I thought, we're not going 1329 01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:40.560 to see anything with these jets messing around. And finally 1330 01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:42.840 the jets left, and it was about fifteen minutes after 1331 01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:46.359 all the jets had left. I was about ready to 1332 01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:48.720 give up. And my friend Allen is the one first 1333 01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:50.279 one that seen it. He said, my god, man, what 1334 01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:51.720 is that? And I looked and there was a four 1335 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:53.880 light craft just like I had seen over the house. 1336 01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:56.840 It was. It was black and you could see some 1337 01:30:56.880 --> 01:31:01.479 white lights in on it, and uh thing it was 1338 01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:04.039 just it was probably uh I want to say a 1339 01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:06.840 few maybe four hundred yards from us. It wasn't that 1340 01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:09.399 that far from us. It was about one hundred feet 1341 01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:13.359 above the ground. And uh. And I shined this light 1342 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:16.560 laser around this thing, and I never needed to get 1343 01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:20.600 the beam deviation that I was hoping to get. And uh, 1344 01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:22.560 so I told my friend Alan, I said, Man, I'm 1345 01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:24.520 gonna shine it on this thing. And you're ready, I said, 1346 01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:26.359 because I was wondering if they were gonna they might 1347 01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:28.720 take this wrong, they might interpret this wrong, and my god, 1348 01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:30.760 we might be two piles of ashes. It was one 1349 01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:32.640 of the scariest things I've ever done, was shining this 1350 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:36.399 laser onto the UFO and uh, this thing, this laser 1351 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:38.880 to shoot a beam about five ten miles easily green 1352 01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:42.359 bean that you could easily visibly see. And the idea 1353 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:44.800 was to get it on camera. Well, I shine, I said. 1354 01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:47.159 I shined the light that laser on the craft and 1355 01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:51.640 it just completely absorbed the beam and uh and I thought, man, 1356 01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:53.600 it's not doing anything. I look and I looked up 1357 01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:55.319 ready and I said, I hope you're getting all this, 1358 01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:57.920 And the camera was laying right asideing. Man. I mean, 1359 01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:00.680 he had one job with the video record this. And 1360 01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:02.279 he was standing there and he had his hands on 1361 01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:04.199 his hips and he was just talking at this thing. 1362 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:07.640 You had never seen a UFO before, and it just 1363 01:32:07.680 --> 01:32:09.960 the thought of having the camera and having a job 1364 01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:12.640 just it just blew his mind. I mean he just 1365 01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:14.920 laid the camera sait right there beside him, and he 1366 01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:17.840 was just staring at this thing. And I said, my god, 1367 01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:20.439 how you're supposed to be recorded this? And he we 1368 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:22.359 rushed for the camera. We got it up and pointed 1369 01:32:22.399 --> 01:32:25.039 at it. Before the thing could even start running. The 1370 01:32:25.359 --> 01:32:26.399 craft just blinked out. 1371 01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:27.319 Wow. 1372 01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:32.239 Man, that's incredible. So I was I was frustrated. We 1373 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:34.319 had a great opportunity there. But we learned a little 1374 01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:36.760 bit because I did not see the beam deviation I 1375 01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:38.960 was hoping to get, so if nothing else, we learned 1376 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:41.279 a little bit about they don't appear to be being 1377 01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:44.600 in a fabric of space around the perfts like maybe 1378 01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:48.199 we had anticipated anyway. So so. 1379 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:51.880 Man, that's really interesting. 1380 01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:57.880 Yeah, what we were thinking was that, you know, we'd 1381 01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:00.960 actually catch something some solid evidence here, but that didn't happen, 1382 01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:05.760 so anyway, what but the interesting thing is what happened 1383 01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:09.119 the next night, Uh, the next you know, I wondered, 1384 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.319 how et I'm thank god that didn't shoot anything back 1385 01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:12.840 to this, but I wondered, you know, what they'd think 1386 01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:14.560 about a shooting a laser of their craft, if they 1387 01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:17.159 would make him curious or anything like that. And I 1388 01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:19.680 was actually firing the laser around before we seen the craft, 1389 01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:22.279 So I actually wondered if the laser might have attracted 1390 01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:24.880 you know, maybe they're curious to a certain degree and 1391 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:27.560 that helped to attract the craft. I don't know, but 1392 01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.079 I was definitely shining the laser round before the craft 1393 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:32.239 showed up, and then when the craft did show up, 1394 01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:35.119 I got to shine it on it. But the next 1395 01:33:35.199 --> 01:33:38.000 night I came, I came home from work, and I 1396 01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:40.039 and I live here at the house by myself, and 1397 01:33:40.079 --> 01:33:43.079 I have this tabby mancoon cat. He's a big, big 1398 01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:46.119 cat's he's declawed. He lives he stays in the house. 1399 01:33:46.159 --> 01:33:50.800 It never goes outside. And when I got when I 1400 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:54.199 got into the when I got to the house, there 1401 01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:56.199 was the cat was missing and there was a big 1402 01:33:56.239 --> 01:34:00.159 hole in the bathroom floor that something had clawed to 1403 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:02.319 the floor. I couldn't imagine how my cat had done that, 1404 01:34:02.399 --> 01:34:04.600 but he had escaped under the house. And it was 1405 01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:06.279 big enough hole that I could stick my arm and 1406 01:34:06.279 --> 01:34:11.720 our cat could crawl through. And so this this cat 1407 01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:14.600 is just missing. So I I and I called him 1408 01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:16.159 through that look down through that hole and I call 1409 01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:18.880 the cat and I could hear him underneath her and uh, 1410 01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.000 he sounded like he's closed. So I reached my arm 1411 01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:22.800 down the hole and I'm feeling around trying to grab 1412 01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:25.239 this cat, and I can't feel him. And I pulled 1413 01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:26.840 my arm out. I look off that down the hole 1414 01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:29.600 and there was something really scary down there looking up 1415 01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:31.680 at me. And I can't be sure that it's a cat. 1416 01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:33.720 I don't know what it is, but it's pretty scary 1417 01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:37.119 looking looking up through the hole at me. And I thought, man, 1418 01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:39.640 crazy for sticking your arm in that hole. Man, it's 1419 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:41.359 not telling what the heck is down there. It's like 1420 01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:43.359 a cross space that's underneath my house. For all the 1421 01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:46.079 water pipes and gas lines and stuff are. It's not 1422 01:34:46.119 --> 01:34:47.840 even enough for him to walk underneath it. You have 1423 01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:49.920 to crawl around on your belly, you know, to work 1424 01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:53.520 on the house. And uh So I go out of 1425 01:34:53.560 --> 01:34:55.680 the house and I see that my blocks on my 1426 01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:58.039 excess panel blocks have been pulled out a little bit, 1427 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:00.319 and I don't know why that is. And and I 1428 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:02.000 called the cat, and the cat was running out, and 1429 01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:04.039 I grabbed the cat, put the blocks back. I get 1430 01:35:04.039 --> 01:35:05.600 a big piece of tin, and I patched the hole 1431 01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:08.079 where the cat can't escape again. And I get ready 1432 01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:10.039 for bed and I go in there and I lay 1433 01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:12.560 down in that bed, and I no sooner lay down 1434 01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:14.319 in that bed, you know. Then all of a sudden, 1435 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:16.800 I hear dishes and stuff getting knocked over up on 1436 01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:19.560 the kitchen sink in the kitchen, and I'm hearing stuff 1437 01:35:19.560 --> 01:35:23.319 getting knocked over and broke, and I'm thinking, what this 1438 01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:25.840 cat is just? Man, he's really on my nerves. And 1439 01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:27.279 I try to get up out of the bed to 1440 01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:29.159 go see what's going on. And I realized that I 1441 01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:31.640 cannot get up out of this bed to save my life. Man, 1442 01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:34.960 I am pinned to this bed. So I'm wondering why 1443 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:37.760 I can't move. I mean, I can move my eyes, 1444 01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:39.600 but I can't move my arms or legs or anything. 1445 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:42.520 And then I keep hearing the noise from the kitchen. 1446 01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:45.720 There's still stuff moving around in there. And then so 1447 01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:47.640 I'm thinking I'm having some kind of a health problem, 1448 01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:49.560 a heart attack, a stroke, I don't even knows what. 1449 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:53.079 And then here's the stuff still moving around, and there 1450 01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:54.720 I hear all of a sudden, I hear cabinets sound 1451 01:35:54.760 --> 01:35:56.840 like they're opening, drawers sound like they're being pulled out, 1452 01:35:56.880 --> 01:35:59.119 and I'm thinking, well, that is not like a cat 1453 01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:02.319 could do something like that. And I look. I roll 1454 01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:04.119 my eyes over to the doorway and I could see 1455 01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:07.119 my cat is standing in the doorway, looking towards the kitchen, 1456 01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:10.399 and he's like freaking out, like there's something besides me 1457 01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:14.239 and him in the house. And I'm going, okay, there's something, 1458 01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:16.520 you know, I don't know what. I'm trapped in this bed, 1459 01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:18.520 the cat stand in the doorway, there's something else in 1460 01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:21.760 the house, in the kitchen and h and they're saying, 1461 01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:23.399 I know. The cat runs in there and jumps into 1462 01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:25.840 the bed with me. And then all of a sudden, 1463 01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:28.079 I see something streaked by the door where the cat 1464 01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:30.880 was just was. And this thing, whatever it is, is black, 1465 01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:33.079 and it's moving so fast that your eyes can't focus 1466 01:36:33.119 --> 01:36:36.039 on it. I mean it's streaking by it, and so 1467 01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:38.479 and I'm thinking I've got some kind of animal or 1468 01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:41.319 something in the house. I'm still paralyzeding the bed. The 1469 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:44.000 cat's walking around the bed beside me, nothing's affecting him, 1470 01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:46.960 and so I'm trying to figure out what in the 1471 01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:50.680 world's going on here. And I see another one run 1472 01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:52.840 by the doorway, and it's running just as fast as 1473 01:36:52.880 --> 01:36:54.359 the other one. I mean, it's so fast that my 1474 01:36:54.359 --> 01:36:56.079 eyes couldn't even focus on it, and I mean, I 1475 01:36:56.520 --> 01:37:00.760 can't imagine what can move that fast. So then I 1476 01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:03.760 seen one of them run across my vertical wall. I 1477 01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:06.119 mean it run across the vertical wall like gravity didn't 1478 01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:08.600 even affect it. And at that point, I was clean 1479 01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:10.520 to the hope that it was a raccoon or a 1480 01:37:10.520 --> 01:37:12.359 squirrel that had gotten in my house, that I was 1481 01:37:12.399 --> 01:37:15.039 having some kind of health problem. But now I'm starting 1482 01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:17.279 to realize this probably has more to do with what 1483 01:37:17.359 --> 01:37:21.439 went on last night than anything that I was hoping 1484 01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:24.079 was going on. So I was going on, man, this 1485 01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:26.640 probably has something to do with wee like last night 1486 01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:30.000 we were shooting a laser out of UO, you know, 1487 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:34.199 And now now I got ech in my house and 1488 01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:37.800 he's running around in my house and uh, and I 1489 01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:39.720 couldn't see him, but I'm I mean, I see him 1490 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:41.319 run up the wall, up up and down the wall 1491 01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:44.439 like gravity didn't affect him. And they're just moving, flying 1492 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:49.439 so fast, and it's just crazy fast. And I tell 1493 01:37:49.479 --> 01:37:52.760 you why, man, it was really weird. And I was 1494 01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:55.399 going on, man, just do whatever you need to do 1495 01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:57.800 and leave me alone in here. And then all of 1496 01:37:57.840 --> 01:37:59.439 a sudden, I see one of them run in front 1497 01:37:59.439 --> 01:38:01.720 of my door and stop where the cat had been 1498 01:38:01.800 --> 01:38:04.560 before he'd run in there, and this thing running it 1499 01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:07.600 off fours and it reared up on its back legs. 1500 01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:09.680 This thing wasn't about eighteen inches tall. And this is 1501 01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:12.039 one of the ugliest thing you could probably ever imagine. Man, 1502 01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:14.640 This thing it looked like a looked like a grimblin 1503 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:18.199 the movie Grimblings after you throw water on it without 1504 01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:20.920 the big ears. I mean, this was an ugly of 1505 01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:23.760 a gun man. It was only eighteen inches tall. It 1506 01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:26.359 had a face like an old man like it's squinty 1507 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:30.319 eyes and tight mouth, humanoid looking face, and it had 1508 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:33.760 an exoskeleton shell on it and the shell itself had 1509 01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:36.000 thrown the pendages sticking on it. This thing was ten 1510 01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:37.760 feet from me, so I got a really good look 1511 01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:41.560 at it, and it was scary looking. I mean, it 1512 01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:45.000 had long, really long arms, and what would have been 1513 01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:46.680 its hands, I don't know if you could really call 1514 01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:49.600 them hands or like insect hands or something. Man that 1515 01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:53.319 they looked really odd and as fast as this thing was, 1516 01:38:53.359 --> 01:38:56.880 I can't imagine the you know what kind of hands 1517 01:38:56.920 --> 01:38:58.640 this thing had on it. But I mean they could 1518 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:00.319 run on a wall like a cock rope, you know, 1519 01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:03.840 the way they the way they were moving, and uh, 1520 01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:05.960 and this thing he was looking away from me. He 1521 01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:08.680 was looking at me. He I see the side view 1522 01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:10.199 of him, and then he looked towards the other two 1523 01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:12.720 that were running running around the house. And then all 1524 01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:15.680 three of them ran through my door, underneath the bed 1525 01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:18.960 that I was trapped on, and then they were lifting 1526 01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:22.039 the bed up me, the box, springs, the mattresses, everything, 1527 01:39:22.159 --> 01:39:24.600 slamming it back to the floor, and I was being 1528 01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:27.319 bounced on the mattresses and still couldn't do anything with 1529 01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:30.279 the cat. He had had enough, man, He took off 1530 01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:32.600 that bed. He took off around that corner, out of 1531 01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:35.239 that room, and I was wishing I could have went 1532 01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:37.319 with him, but I was still trapped here on that 1533 01:39:37.399 --> 01:39:41.479 bed and they're bouncing me on this bed like I like, man, 1534 01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:44.359 these things are strong. I mean they're little, but there's man, 1535 01:39:44.359 --> 01:39:46.880 they gotta be stout and to be doing lifting me 1536 01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:49.199 and the bed and every the bed frame and everything, 1537 01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:51.840 and all of a sudd in the bed. They stopped, 1538 01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:55.319 They stopped bouncing it, and uh, they start crawing, clawing 1539 01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:57.520 up it. I could hear him turning through the fiber 1540 01:39:57.560 --> 01:39:59.479 of the box spring. I could hear them up underneath 1541 01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:02.720 the box spring. I can hear them scratching on the wood. Uh, 1542 01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:05.680 the metal mashes across the top of the box springs 1543 01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:08.560 underneath the mattress. They had pulled on it hard enough 1544 01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:10.800 if they actually been it. And I seen the scrape 1545 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:12.560 marks in the wood that they left, and it was 1546 01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:16.359 it was large, deep scrape marks, not like tiger claws, 1547 01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:19.880 but something's like like like a dog or a bear claw, 1548 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:23.039 had something strong and deep into the wood on it. 1549 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:26.119 And they had actually bent the wire, pulling on the wire. 1550 01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:28.159 And I was on top of this bed and it 1551 01:40:28.239 --> 01:40:30.600 felt like they were digging through the mattress underneath me. 1552 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:32.880 And I was thinking, my God, they're gonna kill me. 1553 01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:36.199 You know, I can't do anything. I'm gonna die here, 1554 01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:39.800 you know. And and you know your your your instinct 1555 01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:43.279 apears is fight or flight, you know, and when you 1556 01:40:43.319 --> 01:40:46.359 can't flight, you know. I was horrified for a while, 1557 01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:48.399 but then I got angry and I thought, it's either 1558 01:40:48.479 --> 01:40:51.159 me or them. I'm in. I'm gonna struggle for life 1559 01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:54.159 and dead. So I'm I started, I started getting angry. Man, 1560 01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:56.119 I started growing into a rage. You know, I'm gonna 1561 01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:58.680 break a little from this forest that's that's holding me. 1562 01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:00.640 And I already had a p and there was a 1563 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:02.960 golf club in the corner. I'm gonna go grab a 1564 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:04.880 club out of that golf club and I'm gonna kill 1565 01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:06.800 me some of these suckers. And then I'm gonna take 1566 01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:09.199 the take the body of this thing, take it into 1567 01:41:09.239 --> 01:41:12.079 a newsroom and throw it on the newsroom floor. And 1568 01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:15.079 so you want proof, there's your proof. And uh, I 1569 01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:18.000 mean I and I was, I was mad. I mean, 1570 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:20.000 I'm ready to kill kill them because I think and 1571 01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:23.039 they're gonna kill me. And uh I tried, and I 1572 01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:25.159 decided when I tried to break free from that force, 1573 01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:27.880 the more force I used, the more they used to 1574 01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:30.760 hold me in place, and it started affecting my breathing 1575 01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:32.439 and it started affecting my heart. I felt like I 1576 01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:34.600 was fixing to die. Man. I felt like I was 1577 01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:37.319 fixing to have a heart attack right there, and it 1578 01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:39.399 got hard to read. It felt like I was fixing 1579 01:41:39.439 --> 01:41:42.640 and going conscious, and so I just I quit fighting 1580 01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:44.880 because I thought, man, I'm I'm completely at the mercy. 1581 01:41:44.920 --> 01:41:48.000 There's nothing I can do. And I just laid there. 1582 01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:50.640 And then they quit digging at the bed and stuff, 1583 01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:52.520 and they got over there where the gun cabinet was 1584 01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:54.159 at and I was sticking in my head and said, 1585 01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:56.680 that's where the laders at the gun cabinet is locked. 1586 01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:58.600 And I know for a fact I locked that thing, 1587 01:41:58.680 --> 01:42:01.760 the lasers locked in and I'm thinking, I'm bet these 1588 01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:04.760 guys after that, and I heard them over by the 1589 01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:07.039 gun cabinet, and I kind of thought to myself, Yeah, 1590 01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:08.960 you suckers, this thing is locked. You're not going to 1591 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:11.560 get in there. And I heard them messing around over there, 1592 01:42:12.239 --> 01:42:14.199 and then the next thing, I know, it got real quiet, 1593 01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:18.199 and then I couldn't hear them at all. You know, 1594 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:20.680 it got quiet for just a second, and next thing, 1595 01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:22.359 you know, all of a sudden, my body jumped up 1596 01:42:22.359 --> 01:42:25.439 out of that bed, and I was in a fitter rage, 1597 01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:27.600 and I cust throlled out and I grabbed that golf club. 1598 01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:29.600 Now I had tried to do this five minutes earlier, 1599 01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:31.680 I mean, this is a long time had gone by 1600 01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:33.479 six I had tried to do this. Now I'm freaking 1601 01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:36.239 out because my body is like a robot acting without 1602 01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:38.439 my permission. It's just jumping up doing whatever the hell 1603 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.159 it wants, and I'm not telling it to do it. 1604 01:42:41.239 --> 01:42:43.319 You know, And my whole life, my body has done 1605 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:44.960 what I told you to do. But this is the 1606 01:42:44.960 --> 01:42:46.960 first time i life my body was like a robot 1607 01:42:47.039 --> 01:42:48.560 doing something I didn't tell what to do. And I 1608 01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:52.199 feel like a passenger riding along for the for the ride. 1609 01:42:52.239 --> 01:42:53.960 It was like they had blocked the signals that I 1610 01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:55.680 had tried to send in my brain. And when when 1611 01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:57.920 they released me, that's the first thing they got processed. 1612 01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:01.479 And that's the first thing I did. Well, got a 1613 01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:04.199 golf club, and I go on an alien hunt. I 1614 01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:06.920 looked as they had opened every cabinet, every drawer in 1615 01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:09.319 my whole house. I've seen dishes that had been knocking 1616 01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:11.239 over and broken in there in the kitchen, and they 1617 01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:13.920 had knocked over a lamp and broke it there at 1618 01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:17.560 the computer desk, and they had opened some drawers that 1619 01:43:17.560 --> 01:43:20.239 were in the living room as well, and all the 1620 01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:22.880 all the drawers under my computer desk had been opened 1621 01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:25.760 and left open. They didn't bother to close any drawers. 1622 01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:28.159 They had opened every dower and all the cabinets had 1623 01:43:28.199 --> 01:43:31.399 been open, and so they you know, there was definitely 1624 01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:35.000 they were definitely in my house. And then I went 1625 01:43:35.079 --> 01:43:37.720 walking back into the bedroom. I thought, you know, i've 1626 01:43:37.720 --> 01:43:39.479 been I know the gun cabinet was locked. When I 1627 01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:41.680 want looked over the gun cabinet, the gun cabin the 1628 01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:43.720 top and the bottom was open, and I know it 1629 01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:46.479 was locked, and I thought, man, insuckers, they opened that. 1630 01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:48.880 I thought, may's that laser. They've got that lasuer? That 1631 01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:51.159 lasuer was gone. I went over to where the laser 1632 01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:53.600 was being kept and there was a laser still in 1633 01:43:53.640 --> 01:43:55.960 its case out there in the lower part of the 1634 01:43:55.960 --> 01:43:58.479 gun cabinet that was locked and it was open, and 1635 01:43:58.560 --> 01:44:00.640 they didn't take it. And I thought, well, they didn't 1636 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:03.760 find it, or they missed it, or but the fact 1637 01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:05.439 that they had opened the gun cap and then it 1638 01:44:05.560 --> 01:44:07.800 occurred to me, I'm sitting here, scared of the death, 1639 01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:09.680 going on an alien hunt with the golf club, and 1640 01:44:09.720 --> 01:44:12.079 I got a loaded shotgun right here. And the reason 1641 01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:13.800 I didn't go for the shotgun to start with was 1642 01:44:14.039 --> 01:44:15.600 I would have had to go into the living room 1643 01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:17.199 and find the key to it and go back and 1644 01:44:17.239 --> 01:44:20.199 open it, because I assumed it was still locked, and 1645 01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:22.279 I thought, man, I could have had a shotgun going 1646 01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:25.159 on this alien hunt. But anyway, I didn't. When I 1647 01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:26.840 went back to where I had passed the hole where 1648 01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:29.159 the cat was missing, they had They had pulled the 1649 01:44:29.199 --> 01:44:31.520 screws up out of the wood and bent the tin, 1650 01:44:31.640 --> 01:44:34.479 and I had used to secure it down where the 1651 01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:37.600 cat couldn't get back out again. So apparently I'm thinking 1652 01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:40.439 they probably made the hole. They probably escaped through the hole. 1653 01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:43.560 It was never the cat anyway. Besides, this cat's de clawed. 1654 01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:45.439 How he could have chewed a hole in my floor 1655 01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:47.439 big enough for him to crawl out of it would 1656 01:44:47.439 --> 01:44:50.039 have taken a long time, not happened in a short 1657 01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:54.199 period of time like one day. And so yeah, this 1658 01:44:54.399 --> 01:44:56.399 was a It was a while. It was a while. 1659 01:44:56.479 --> 01:44:58.199 I couldn't seek it out. Now. 1660 01:44:58.239 --> 01:45:01.279 One question before I turned over to writer. How long 1661 01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:03.520 did this whole kind of interaction last? 1662 01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:07.640 I want to say that the whole, the whole to 1663 01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:10.720 et invasion with I mean, from the time that they 1664 01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:12.960 peeled me down and they ranch back to aust It 1665 01:45:13.000 --> 01:45:15.159 wasn't a very long period of time, but it felt 1666 01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:18.079 like I mean, when you're I was, it felt like 1667 01:45:18.119 --> 01:45:21.960 they probably lasted fifteen to twenty minutes maybe, but it 1668 01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:24.279 felt like it was an hour man, you know, And 1669 01:45:24.359 --> 01:45:26.840 I kept fighting that horse that was holding me, and 1670 01:45:26.840 --> 01:45:29.399 then I relaxed and I couldn't feel anything hold me. 1671 01:45:29.439 --> 01:45:31.479 But when I would try to try it again, it 1672 01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:33.720 was still it would just it would be there again. 1673 01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:36.359 It was like it didn't feel like anything was holding me, 1674 01:45:36.399 --> 01:45:38.159 but when I would try to move there, it was, 1675 01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:41.199 you know, frustrating. Yeah. 1676 01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.039 Yeah, when you said you jumped up and started, you know, 1677 01:45:44.439 --> 01:45:46.640 doing all the reflexes and moves you wanted to do 1678 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:50.399 a few minutes ago, that's that's pretty incredible. Any questions 1679 01:45:50.439 --> 01:45:50.920 for him, writer? 1680 01:45:52.439 --> 01:45:56.079 Yeah, So, whenever you first described it, I kind of 1681 01:45:56.119 --> 01:45:59.720 thought maybe they were like translucent kind of beings, but 1682 01:45:59.880 --> 01:46:03.199 the way the story progressed, it seems like that they 1683 01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:07.560 were really physical, So like you you legitimately uh saw 1684 01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:09.640 them like you weren't able to see through them. They 1685 01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:12.239 weren't translucent at all. They were literally physical beings. 1686 01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:15.960 Correct, Yeah, these these certainly were physical beings. And and 1687 01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:18.039 uh and people people have told me, you know why 1688 01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:19.880 you call the police, you know, and don't think it 1689 01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:21.920 didn't cross my mind. I was like, man, you know, yeah, 1690 01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:23.399 I would love to get the cops over here and 1691 01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:26.439 get a forensic team over here and get some because 1692 01:46:26.479 --> 01:46:28.479 I know there's physical evidence in my house. And I've 1693 01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:30.399 seen you could get up underneath my box springs and 1694 01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:32.640 you can see the scratches and the pool marks on 1695 01:46:32.680 --> 01:46:35.119 the wiring and stuff like that. So I had physical 1696 01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:37.640 evidence in my house. And people keep hollering, you know, 1697 01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:39.399 we want physical evidence, but you have to realize that 1698 01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:41.600 our world is not set up for physical evidence. I 1699 01:46:41.600 --> 01:46:44.239 had physical evidence of an ET encounter. And who was 1700 01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:46.760 I gonna call that? You want me to call the police? Now, 1701 01:46:46.760 --> 01:46:49.560 the police in my town, they're gonna they're not gonna 1702 01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:51.079 First of all, they're not even gonna take you serious. 1703 01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:52.800 They're gonna take you on some kind of a drug 1704 01:46:52.840 --> 01:46:55.920 hallucination and probably look for the meth lab. But They're 1705 01:46:55.920 --> 01:46:57.920 not even gonna take that kind of a They're not 1706 01:46:57.960 --> 01:47:00.279 even gonna take you serious. And the fact that I'm 1707 01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:03.159 a Hagards material transport driver, I have to really look 1708 01:47:03.199 --> 01:47:06.439 out for. Uh, Like I said, you know, if they 1709 01:47:06.439 --> 01:47:09.239 think I'm crazy that we have a medical department that 1710 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:10.920 will pull me out of the truck. They will make 1711 01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:14.119 me go through a six month psychological evaluation and we 1712 01:47:14.159 --> 01:47:16.920 get drug tested all the time. We get all this stuff. Man, 1713 01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:18.560 it's like an air saying. I go through the same 1714 01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:21.079 stuff airline pilots go through. In fact, I gave my 1715 01:47:21.159 --> 01:47:24.359 physicals with them at the same doc. Guilty doctor. So 1716 01:47:25.279 --> 01:47:28.159 and uh, you know, so you don't want to. I 1717 01:47:28.159 --> 01:47:31.439 mean it's hard enough just just keeping your job because 1718 01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:33.600 of your health and stuff. You know, you start making 1719 01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:37.600 wild ass accusations and same crazy stuff. Man, Now they 1720 01:47:37.600 --> 01:47:39.640 don't they won't hesitate for a minute to pull you 1721 01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:42.399 out of the truck. And we have short term disability 1722 01:47:42.399 --> 01:47:45.119 that they don't pay nothing like what you normally might 1723 01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:47.560 work in. I mean, you're taking a heck of a 1724 01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:51.000 cutting pay and you don't want to go there, you know, 1725 01:47:51.079 --> 01:47:52.640 And I was sick. It wouldn't do any good. It 1726 01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:54.119 wouldn't have done it if I thought it would have 1727 01:47:54.119 --> 01:47:55.760 done any good. You bet I would have called the 1728 01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:58.119 police if I would have had some kind of a 1729 01:47:58.159 --> 01:48:02.479 department or government uh investigation unit that I could have 1730 01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:05.359 called and said, hey, man, I seriously had an ET 1731 01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:08.199 and home invasion. I seriously have some physical evidence that 1732 01:48:08.199 --> 01:48:10.760 if you're seriously come look for. I'd be willing to 1733 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:13.079 let them come where you bet you know, And that's 1734 01:48:13.159 --> 01:48:14.600 that's one of the things we're gonna have to do 1735 01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:17.840 as a UFO community. You're gonna take it seriously. You're 1736 01:48:17.880 --> 01:48:20.600 gonna have to set up something where something like this 1737 01:48:20.720 --> 01:48:23.600 really happens. You won't solid evidence, you're you're equipped to 1738 01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:24.159 come look for. 1739 01:48:24.880 --> 01:48:28.399 Well, the UAP report did come out today. It was 1740 01:48:28.520 --> 01:48:31.079 quite disappointing. It was only like what nine pages. I 1741 01:48:31.079 --> 01:48:34.079 believe there's a larger report that's I set to come 1742 01:48:34.119 --> 01:48:36.520 out at a later date, but we're not going to 1743 01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:39.439 really talk about that because it's coming from the government 1744 01:48:39.479 --> 01:48:42.880 and media anyway, So I think most of it would 1745 01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:47.439 be disinformation. But any many other questions about that incident 1746 01:48:47.520 --> 01:48:48.520 right before we move on. 1747 01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:52.840 Yes, what what do you think that was the purpose 1748 01:48:52.960 --> 01:48:54.960 for them coming into your house? Do you think that 1749 01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:56.760 they were mad? Do you think that they were angry? 1750 01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:58.920 You think it was like a warning, like, don't shine 1751 01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:03.079 the laser at our craft anymore? Did was anything missing 1752 01:49:03.279 --> 01:49:05.359 from your home that you found out later on? 1753 01:49:07.039 --> 01:49:08.680 That's a good question, you know. And I thought it 1754 01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:10.800 over them pretty much. And I tell you what I think. 1755 01:49:10.880 --> 01:49:13.640 I think these are subservient beings. This is like an 1756 01:49:13.720 --> 01:49:17.560 alien recontent. I think they probably came and investigated the laser. 1757 01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:20.000 They probably weren't tasked with taking the laser, or the 1758 01:49:20.039 --> 01:49:22.279 laser would have been gone, but maybe they they came 1759 01:49:22.279 --> 01:49:23.520 and investigated the laser. 1760 01:49:24.199 --> 01:49:25.640 If you want to shake you up a little bit 1761 01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:27.199 with the whole bedshaking thing. 1762 01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:31.199 Right right, Yeah, I have no idea what that was about. 1763 01:49:31.199 --> 01:49:32.760 But I think, you know, some of the some of 1764 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:37.439 these subserviance, or they're subservience, is something greater they're they're doing. 1765 01:49:37.479 --> 01:49:40.680 They're like a little contract job and maybe they're, uh, 1766 01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:42.960 they have a little temper themselves. Maybe they have a 1767 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:45.119 little plate for this. Who knows. Maybe they're just mean 1768 01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.239 and uh, the same thing with you know. I think 1769 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:51.159 maybe the gray aliens are tasked with connecting the biological 1770 01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:53.680 material from us. I don't think they're I think they're 1771 01:49:53.720 --> 01:49:56.600 subservience to something else, and I think this is something else. 1772 01:49:56.720 --> 01:50:00.680 Is the guys I met later on wo oh Yes, 1773 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:02.920 I only see these little guys at one time. I 1774 01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:05.760 haven't seen them since, and I thank god, you know, 1775 01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:07.359 don't want it, don't care to see them again. But 1776 01:50:07.399 --> 01:50:09.680 I seen them up close and personal ones that's not. 1777 01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:12.239 Did you did you happen to shine a laser on 1778 01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:15.039 any more UFOs after that incident? 1779 01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:17.880 Now I still go UFO watching it, And in fact 1780 01:50:17.960 --> 01:50:20.119 I still use the laser because I think the laser 1781 01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:22.640 does have it does have the potential to attract them. 1782 01:50:22.640 --> 01:50:25.159 I think that they can probably see the laser. There 1783 01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:28.479 are intelligent beings, there's so certainly certain able curious beings, 1784 01:50:28.479 --> 01:50:30.359 and I think shining a laser up in the sky 1785 01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:33.279 if you're not seeing anything where you're UFO watching, I 1786 01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:35.159 don't think it hurts at all. In fact, I've done 1787 01:50:35.199 --> 01:50:38.159 it several times and had great results when I did 1788 01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:41.159 do it, so I would encourage it and I and 1789 01:50:41.239 --> 01:50:43.920 also I was attacked by airline people at one point 1790 01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:46.880 for being one of those UFO guys who shining air 1791 01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:49.760 lasers at airplanes. And I'm not that guy, and I 1792 01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:50.840 don't encourage anybody. 1793 01:50:52.359 --> 01:50:52.880 Definitely. 1794 01:50:53.239 --> 01:50:53.439 Uh. 1795 01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:56.439 Now you said you actually met the beings that these 1796 01:50:56.479 --> 01:50:58.359 little guys may be subservient to. 1797 01:51:00.079 --> 01:51:03.079 Yeah, that was in August twenty seventeen. There was another 1798 01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:05.760 big event that happened exactly one year after this eight 1799 01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:06.680 home invasion. 1800 01:51:06.920 --> 01:51:07.520 Yeah, let's hear it. 1801 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:12.560 For solid year after this event, I didn't I didn't 1802 01:51:12.720 --> 01:51:15.159 see anything. I didn't see no mystery lights. I didn't 1803 01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:18.399 see nothing. Man, I mean it was so quiet, nothing, 1804 01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:20.640 and I, you know, I thought, man, you know, it 1805 01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:23.560 was it was wild. It was crazy, and I was 1806 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:25.199 kind of thinking, you know, I guess I'll never see 1807 01:51:25.239 --> 01:51:28.000 anything like that again. Well, I was working. It was 1808 01:51:28.039 --> 01:51:32.039 a March second of twenty eleven, exactly one year later, 1809 01:51:32.840 --> 01:51:35.359 and I was working nights, and I was working down 1810 01:51:35.359 --> 01:51:39.279 there at a little Echo community. Echo's a little town 1811 01:51:39.319 --> 01:51:42.319 called Echo, Texas, a little farming community ten miles outside 1812 01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:46.439 of Comba, Texas in Coleman County, And going down there 1813 01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:48.239 to get a little cruidle, and I pulled upon this 1814 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:50.239 lease at night. It wasn't that late at night, it 1815 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:53.000 was like ten o'clock. And I pulled in this lease 1816 01:51:53.039 --> 01:51:55.239 and all of a sudden there's a three light UFO 1817 01:51:56.119 --> 01:51:58.359 came on. The last came on. It probably went fifty 1818 01:51:58.439 --> 01:52:00.000 yards for me, and it rose up over the tree 1819 01:52:01.439 --> 01:52:03.119 and the thing was fixing the fly right over the 1820 01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:05.359 top of my truck, and I had my I had 1821 01:52:05.359 --> 01:52:07.439 my phone trying to get the camera open. I was 1822 01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:09.680 hanging out of my driver's side door up to the waist. 1823 01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:12.560 I was determined to catch this thing. And then all 1824 01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:15.760 of a sudden, it just blinked out and and I 1825 01:52:16.359 --> 01:52:18.600 was like, wow, man it was I was so close 1826 01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:22.000 to getting a picture of it, and and it frustrated 1827 01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:24.439 me in but I thought this thing didn't leave sure enough. 1828 01:52:24.920 --> 01:52:27.960 I went ahead and hooked up to my tank, gauged 1829 01:52:27.960 --> 01:52:30.039 my own and did everything I gotta do to get 1830 01:52:30.159 --> 01:52:32.199 do my job. And I'll saying this thing. I seeing 1831 01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:33.760 the lights come on back out there, and I thought 1832 01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:36.800 these guys hadn't left. They just turned their stealth phone 1833 01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:39.319 or whatever they did. But there's still after there's still 1834 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:41.079 I could see the lights come on, and then the 1835 01:52:41.159 --> 01:52:42.840 lights would go off, and then the lights to move 1836 01:52:42.920 --> 01:52:45.319 and it would come on again, and I was getting 1837 01:52:45.319 --> 01:52:46.960 some pictures the first time. The first time I was 1838 01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:48.560 able to catch some picture, so I was loading my 1839 01:52:48.640 --> 01:52:52.039 camera full of these pictures of these things out of 1840 01:52:52.199 --> 01:52:56.079 just colored lights out over the field, and didn't know 1841 01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:59.560 I would need that memory space for later. But I 1842 01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:02.000 was happy I was catching the pictures of it, you know, 1843 01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:06.880 and uh, and this thing. At one point, this thing, 1844 01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:09.279 it disappeared, it came back on. It was sitting on 1845 01:53:09.279 --> 01:53:11.680 the ground behind the battery over there, about a quarter 1846 01:53:11.760 --> 01:53:13.600 mile away, and I thought, man of it. And I 1847 01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:16.319 had video capabilities on this camera that I was carrying, 1848 01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:19.800 So I got some video of this thing. And I thought, 1849 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:21.800 I can't really see what's going on. It's too far away. 1850 01:53:22.439 --> 01:53:24.159 All you can see some lights on in the ground 1851 01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:26.039 shining through the trees. But I thought if I zoom in, 1852 01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:27.840 maybe honest to be able to see something walking around 1853 01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:31.000 the craft. So I was started a video. Well by 1854 01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:32.479 the time I started the video of this thing, this 1855 01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:35.560 thing leapfrogs two hundred yards, comes back down again on 1856 01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:38.800 the ground since there for a second, and then goes 1857 01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:40.560 back up in the air and takes off and goes 1858 01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:43.399 in the flight and travels about a mile and about 1859 01:53:43.399 --> 01:53:46.279 two seconds. And I call all that on video, and 1860 01:53:46.359 --> 01:53:50.000 I thought, man, I've got there. I got you now. Et, 1861 01:53:50.520 --> 01:53:53.920 you know, because this thing, this thing, you know, you know, 1862 01:53:53.960 --> 01:53:56.960 I played with model Hobby rockets Man. The fastest rocket 1863 01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:59.319 I've ever shot travels a mile and three seconds, so 1864 01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:01.359 I know this thing traveling well over one thousand miles 1865 01:54:01.359 --> 01:54:04.560 an hour. Right off the ground. You know, it traveled 1866 01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:06.600 a mile to two seconds, which is faster than any 1867 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.720 rocket I've ever launched. And I'm thinking, this thing is moving, 1868 01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:12.119 whatever it is, and you can see it, and it's changed. 1869 01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:15.319 The lights were changing color of the whole time, blue, yellow, green, red. 1870 01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:17.840 And then when it got a mile away and it 1871 01:54:17.880 --> 01:54:22.119 stopped and I actually caught it on a piece of video. Well, 1872 01:54:22.359 --> 01:54:24.600 I kept waiting to catch it. I was gonna catch more, 1873 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:26.359 you know. I thought maybe to come back, and sure 1874 01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:28.199 enough it did. It came back on about one hundred 1875 01:54:28.239 --> 01:54:30.279 yards one hundred yards away from it over the field, 1876 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:33.039 and this time it was close enough I could see 1877 01:54:33.039 --> 01:54:35.800 this red, stretchy light. It looked like taffy. The light 1878 01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:37.960 was stretched like caffy, and it looked like that with 1879 01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:40.560 the naked eye, and I thought, well, maybe my eyes 1880 01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:42.399 were curing up because I need to bleink, So I 1881 01:54:42.439 --> 01:54:44.720 wiped my eyes to make sure my eyes weren't curing up, 1882 01:54:44.760 --> 01:54:48.199 and the light looks stretchy like it looked like light 1883 01:54:48.239 --> 01:54:51.000 that had been stretched like happy and I could see 1884 01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:53.920 part of the craft, and so I took another picture 1885 01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:56.760 of this thing, and this thing started. All of a sudden, 1886 01:54:56.760 --> 01:54:58.439 this thing started moving at me. I mean, it started 1887 01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:01.199 coming right at me. And then I'm thinking, oh, man, 1888 01:55:01.479 --> 01:55:03.800 this thing is coming right at my truck. My truck 1889 01:55:03.880 --> 01:55:05.760 is sitting there and it's got all the lights on it. 1890 01:55:05.760 --> 01:55:08.039 It's lit up like a carnival out there at night. 1891 01:55:08.119 --> 01:55:10.960 There's lights all over this thing, and this thing's coming 1892 01:55:11.039 --> 01:55:13.000 right at me. I'm on top of the battery. This 1893 01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:15.479 thing is coming at me, and it's getting closer, and 1894 01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:17.479 I can see the I can see that the red 1895 01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:21.199 lights are coming from a compartment underneath, but it looks 1896 01:55:21.239 --> 01:55:24.279 like a disc and I can see the stars being 1897 01:55:24.319 --> 01:55:27.119 blocked out. And then I'm thinking, man, you know, I 1898 01:55:27.119 --> 01:55:29.359 don't really know how big this thing is. And I 1899 01:55:29.399 --> 01:55:32.880 kept looking at that compartment underneath the crab, and there 1900 01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:36.399 was lights being stretched, stretching coming out of it. And 1901 01:55:36.439 --> 01:55:38.960 then all of a sudden, I thought, well, I looked 1902 01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:41.399 up above me. For some reason, something moved up ahead, 1903 01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:43.119 right over my head and I looked up and I 1904 01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:45.600 seen the edge of the disk was blocking out the stars, 1905 01:55:45.640 --> 01:55:47.199 and it was starting to move right off the top 1906 01:55:47.239 --> 01:55:49.199 of me, and it looked like it was maybe thirty 1907 01:55:49.279 --> 01:55:52.680 or forty feet straight up above my head. And man, 1908 01:55:53.159 --> 01:55:58.399 it shocks scared me. I guess it just I never 1909 01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:01.560 had got never had went from being excited to scare 1910 01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:03.520 it so fast that when I looked up and seeing 1911 01:56:03.560 --> 01:56:06.600 that disk moving over the edge of me, my knees 1912 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:09.279 just started checking. Man, I mean, I couldn't even I 1913 01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:11.920 was thinking, man, you need to run for your life. 1914 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:14.800 And then I could already pull off a walk. It's 1915 01:56:14.800 --> 01:56:17.159 all I could do to go down the stairs. I 1916 01:56:17.199 --> 01:56:19.279 went down underneath the tanks and I shut the vout 1917 01:56:19.359 --> 01:56:21.640 and stopped the loading process because I had the load 1918 01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:24.600 rough process already started. And I was hiding my twenty 1919 01:56:24.600 --> 01:56:27.720 of tanks looking up at this thing. And I had 1920 01:56:27.760 --> 01:56:29.920 just pulled a bunch of oxygen into this tank. It's 1921 01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:32.880 extremely flammable and after you sucked auctionen in it intil it. 1922 01:56:32.880 --> 01:56:36.159 It's very explosive. And I got this UFO right above 1923 01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:38.279 this tank battery, and I'm sitting here in between these 1924 01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:41.520 tanks and I'm thinking, man, one sad expired, and this 1925 01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:43.479 ding is gonna go up like a bomb. My truck 1926 01:56:43.600 --> 01:56:46.000 is gonna go up, the whole location is gonna go up, 1927 01:56:46.359 --> 01:56:50.119 and it ain't nobody gonna know anything. And so I thought, man, 1928 01:56:50.279 --> 01:56:53.000 I need to get half from under here. And so 1929 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:56.479 I decided I walked over behind this steel separator that 1930 01:56:56.600 --> 01:56:58.560 was a little bit other way, and it was hard 1931 01:56:58.600 --> 01:57:01.000 walking and all. And I walked over there, and I 1932 01:57:01.079 --> 01:57:02.800 hid behind the ship layer and I looked up. I 1933 01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:04.840 could see the disk over the battery. I could see 1934 01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:09.159 the there's a compartment underneath the craft. I think it's 1935 01:57:09.199 --> 01:57:13.640 probably like fifty I don't know, maybe sixty feet away 1936 01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:16.960 something like that. And all of a sudden, this big white, 1937 01:57:17.319 --> 01:57:21.520 bluish light came on inside that compartment, and the red 1938 01:57:21.520 --> 01:57:23.840 stretchy lights were still coming out of it and still 1939 01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:26.680 look just like they did before. And all of a 1940 01:57:26.720 --> 01:57:28.680 sudden I could see the I could see the window 1941 01:57:28.760 --> 01:57:31.159 sill port hole opening of this thing, just as clear 1942 01:57:31.159 --> 01:57:34.079 as daylight. And then that thing was something head and 1943 01:57:34.119 --> 01:57:38.239 shoulders staring and looking out at me. And man, I thought, 1944 01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:40.439 oh my god, you know this is a UFO. There's 1945 01:57:40.600 --> 01:57:44.399 et right there. Looking at me, and I took I 1946 01:57:44.439 --> 01:57:46.359 took my camera and I took one picture, and I 1947 01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:48.319 went back into my hot spot and I turned my 1948 01:57:48.399 --> 01:57:50.880 back and I looked around. I've seen all the darkness 1949 01:57:50.880 --> 01:57:53.319 around me, and I was just waiting for something it's 1950 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:56.119 slimy hands and fingers to turn rushing out of the 1951 01:57:56.199 --> 01:57:58.760 dark at me. And I was, I mean, I thought 1952 01:57:58.760 --> 01:58:00.479 I was fixing it could be going away for a while, 1953 01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:02.840 and I kid you not, and it's it's no fun 1954 01:58:02.920 --> 01:58:05.560 when each t gets that close. And I was, I 1955 01:58:05.680 --> 01:58:07.479 was even thinking. I already thought, Man, if I see 1956 01:58:07.479 --> 01:58:09.640 something rushing at me, I'm gonna just chunk my phone 1957 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:12.239 that way, maybe somebody will have a clue as or 1958 01:58:12.319 --> 01:58:17.159 what happened to me. And luckily nothing came rushing at me. 1959 01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:18.000 Uh. 1960 01:58:18.239 --> 01:58:20.640 Finally the distart backing away out over the field, and 1961 01:58:20.680 --> 01:58:22.439 I never felt so relieved in my whole life, man, 1962 01:58:22.479 --> 01:58:24.800 to see this thing back and away. This thing started 1963 01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:27.399 backing away from me, and it backed off that after 1964 01:58:27.399 --> 01:58:30.359 about one hundred yards from me over the field. The 1965 01:58:30.479 --> 01:58:32.520 lights went out on it and then I could hear 1966 01:58:32.560 --> 01:58:34.119 in the distance, I could hear the war, but a 1967 01:58:34.199 --> 01:58:38.600 military jet getting closer and closer and closer, and now 1968 01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:40.760 see this military jet fly right over the top is 1969 01:58:41.119 --> 01:58:43.119 It was so low that I could actually see the 1970 01:58:43.199 --> 01:58:45.640 jet from where I was at. It flew right over 1971 01:58:45.680 --> 01:58:47.720 the top of the battery where this thing was at. 1972 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:50.039 I mean, it flew right to the point where the 1973 01:58:50.119 --> 01:58:53.239 UFO was And I thought, man, I could see a 1974 01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:56.600 dog fight, a collision or something. And this this jet 1975 01:58:56.720 --> 01:59:00.279 just made a big sweeping circle out there and then 1976 01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:04.840 just just circled and left the location. And I thought, well, 1977 01:59:04.880 --> 01:59:06.600 I can't believe he didn't see anything, you know, that 1978 01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:09.840 thing that he didn't see nothing, Nothing happened. The jet 1979 01:59:09.880 --> 01:59:11.600 just made a big sweeping circle and he took off 1980 01:59:11.600 --> 01:59:13.399 back towards the Dice Air Force Space and he wasn't 1981 01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:14.880 even out of side that I could still see the 1982 01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:17.399 lights on the tail end of the jet when the 1983 01:59:17.479 --> 01:59:21.079 UFO lights came back on out there. The UFO lights 1984 01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:23.800 came back on out there for a little bit, and 1985 01:59:23.840 --> 01:59:26.159 then they went back off again. And I'm talking, man, 1986 01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:28.119 the jet didn't secure them at all. Man, they didn't 1987 01:59:28.520 --> 01:59:31.600 they didn't hide, they didn't leave, They just I don't 1988 01:59:31.600 --> 01:59:33.039 know if they just went to the ground, or if 1989 01:59:33.039 --> 01:59:35.039 they just went invisible or what they did, but the 1990 01:59:35.119 --> 01:59:38.199 jet never never encountered them. But by this time, there 1991 01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:40.359 was there was a cluster of four lights that started 1992 01:59:40.399 --> 01:59:43.199 circling over my head. There was just making a big 1993 01:59:43.279 --> 01:59:47.119 circle around my location and they were slowly winding down, 1994 01:59:47.800 --> 01:59:49.600 and I kept and every now and the lights over 1995 01:59:49.640 --> 01:59:51.479 the field were coming on and off. So I'm sitting here, 1996 01:59:51.479 --> 01:59:53.720 I'm trying to load my crudle, I'm trying to do 1997 01:59:53.800 --> 01:59:55.960 my job. I'm watching the UFO over the field. I'm 1998 01:59:55.960 --> 01:59:58.439 watching these weird array of lights that are doing a 1999 01:59:58.439 --> 02:00:01.560 circle over my head. So I've got a lot going on. 2000 02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:03.640 And the jets are gone there. They don't seem like 2001 02:00:03.680 --> 02:00:05.920 they're coming back. They're not looking for anything. They just 2002 02:00:05.960 --> 02:00:09.119 made one big sweeping left. Well, this thing is foveling 2003 02:00:09.199 --> 02:00:13.000 down and it's getting closer, and it was fixing to 2004 02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:14.439 be approaching me from the other side of the truck. 2005 02:00:14.479 --> 02:00:16.920 So I stopped the loading process once again, walked around 2006 02:00:16.920 --> 02:00:18.239 my truck so I could get a picture, and we 2007 02:00:18.279 --> 02:00:22.119 started looking getting this memory full warnings on my camera 2008 02:00:22.680 --> 02:00:24.840 and I'm thinking, man, I want to get a picture 2009 02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:27.800 of whatever this is. And it was like four lights 2010 02:00:27.840 --> 02:00:30.560 in the front light had had a blinking light like 2011 02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:33.479 maybe an airplane light, but it was no repeating sequence. 2012 02:00:33.520 --> 02:00:36.720 It was an oddist sequence you would ever see, and 2013 02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:40.720 it wasn't repeating like an airplane light would. And I thought, well, 2014 02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:43.640 it's just like four craft line information or something, because 2015 02:00:43.640 --> 02:00:47.119 it's really big. And as this thing was started coming 2016 02:00:47.159 --> 02:00:49.640 at me, I could see the cloud, I could see 2017 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:52.560 the night sky started rolling wide with like a fall. 2018 02:00:53.319 --> 02:00:55.399 And you see the movie Independence Day when the big 2019 02:00:55.439 --> 02:00:57.760 craft starts come rolling out of the smoke and steam 2020 02:00:57.840 --> 02:00:59.479 and you can't really see it for all the smoky 2021 02:00:59.479 --> 02:01:01.159 steam coming up off of it. That's exactly the way 2022 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:03.760 this thing looked. There was a big ball of rolling 2023 02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:07.680 steam coming at me from the sky and the first 2024 02:01:07.720 --> 02:01:09.600 thing I seen was it looked like an arrow tip 2025 02:01:09.680 --> 02:01:12.239 coming out of it. And on the very front of 2026 02:01:12.239 --> 02:01:14.680 the arrow tip there was something hot and it was 2027 02:01:14.760 --> 02:01:17.239 like flashing on fire. Then the wind would blow it out. 2028 02:01:17.279 --> 02:01:18.960 It was something that was hot. It was reacting to 2029 02:01:19.000 --> 02:01:20.920 the air passing over it. And what I thought was 2030 02:01:20.920 --> 02:01:23.119 a light was something hot on the very tip of 2031 02:01:23.159 --> 02:01:25.560 this thing, and it looked like an aero tip. This 2032 02:01:25.600 --> 02:01:28.079 thing started emerging from the steam, and what I thought 2033 02:01:28.199 --> 02:01:30.840 might be small was it was incredibly huge. Man, this 2034 02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:34.079 thing was large. They kept coming out and it kept 2035 02:01:34.079 --> 02:01:37.520 coming and man, this thing was like it was like 2036 02:01:37.600 --> 02:01:40.199 fifty yards on fifty seventy yards on both sides of me. 2037 02:01:40.279 --> 02:01:41.680 I mean, if this thing would have fell out of 2038 02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:43.880 the sky, it would have crushed me, the tank, battery, 2039 02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:47.560 the truck, the whole location. This thing was you mongous. 2040 02:01:47.600 --> 02:01:49.720 It was blocking out the biggest part of the stars 2041 02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:51.880 and the skies that started passing over my head. It 2042 02:01:51.960 --> 02:01:54.079 looked like solid rock. It I was looking at the 2043 02:01:54.119 --> 02:01:56.760 surface of the Moon. I could see the impact marks, 2044 02:01:56.800 --> 02:01:59.119 I could see burn marks, I could see craters on 2045 02:01:59.159 --> 02:02:01.560 the damn thing. It looked like it was solid rock. 2046 02:02:02.079 --> 02:02:03.640 And then for a minute I thought, man, this is 2047 02:02:03.680 --> 02:02:06.520 like killer meteor. This is like a meter that's coming 2048 02:02:06.520 --> 02:02:09.119 in to take us all out. Man. It looked like 2049 02:02:09.159 --> 02:02:11.880 a big, huge rock. And this thing was probably it 2050 02:02:12.039 --> 02:02:15.479 was maybe two hundred to three hundred feet above me 2051 02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:18.239 straight up, so it was low enough even at nighttime. Man, 2052 02:02:18.279 --> 02:02:21.399 I could see the bottom of it pretty good. And 2053 02:02:21.479 --> 02:02:23.520 it took three to four seconds to pass over me, 2054 02:02:24.000 --> 02:02:26.399 and it covered it was like fifty yards on east 2055 02:02:26.399 --> 02:02:29.479 side of me. I mean, this thing was massive, monster. 2056 02:02:29.800 --> 02:02:32.119 I mean it filled the sky. I had a sky 2057 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:35.039 for over Ufo. This thing was monstrous, man, And I 2058 02:02:35.119 --> 02:02:37.640 kept watching this thing and it was passing over me. 2059 02:02:37.720 --> 02:02:40.640 Took three or four seconds to move over me. And 2060 02:02:40.680 --> 02:02:42.439 then the first part that had moved over this thing 2061 02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:44.880 started slowing down and I seen a big pipe sticking 2062 02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:46.439 out of the bottom of it. I'm when I mean pipe. 2063 02:02:46.479 --> 02:02:48.920 This thing was like ten feet like a big bale 2064 02:02:49.079 --> 02:02:51.199 or something hanging out of the bottom of it. I thought, okay, 2065 02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:53.399 that's not a meteor. I mean, there's don't have bail 2066 02:02:53.439 --> 02:02:55.640 shaped pipes hanging out of the bottom of them. Then 2067 02:02:55.640 --> 02:02:59.319 I seen another one, and this thing starts slowing down, 2068 02:03:00.319 --> 02:03:03.000 and I mean I got a huge, monsterrous ufo right 2069 02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:04.159 over the top of my head. I mean, if this 2070 02:03:04.159 --> 02:03:06.880 thing would have felled the ground, you literally need a 2071 02:03:06.880 --> 02:03:09.239 golf cart to drive around it. Man, I mean you can't. 2072 02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:11.199 I couldn't see most of the stars in the sky 2073 02:03:11.359 --> 02:03:14.760 because of this thing and it and it was almost 2074 02:03:14.800 --> 02:03:17.319 you could feel the change in the temperature at this thing. 2075 02:03:17.880 --> 02:03:20.359 It was like the temperature had changed. And you can 2076 02:03:20.520 --> 02:03:22.960 hear on the part of the video that I recorded, 2077 02:03:23.000 --> 02:03:24.640 you can hear it sound like the pressure of the 2078 02:03:24.720 --> 02:03:28.560 truck idle and changed like this thing. You know, it 2079 02:03:28.600 --> 02:03:31.479 was effect it was, it was there, and it starts 2080 02:03:31.479 --> 02:03:33.479 slowing down and the first part started tipping up in 2081 02:03:33.520 --> 02:03:35.800 the air like a skyscraper. Now it start going up 2082 02:03:35.800 --> 02:03:38.000 in the air instead of going flat across the ground. 2083 02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:40.800 It started tipping up. And this thing, I mean now 2084 02:03:40.800 --> 02:03:43.760 it's standing up almost like it's vertical. And this thing 2085 02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:45.279 got a little ways up in the air and then 2086 02:03:45.319 --> 02:03:49.079 it it just shot off sideway and this thing took 2087 02:03:49.119 --> 02:03:51.760 off so fast it didn't make any noise. It made 2088 02:03:51.920 --> 02:03:54.640 huge air vo taxes it created. It took off so 2089 02:03:54.680 --> 02:03:58.399 fast that it made a huge air rolling vortexes behind it, 2090 02:03:58.560 --> 02:04:01.279 almost like tornadoes. Man, that this thing cast such a 2091 02:04:01.359 --> 02:04:04.359 vacuum when it left, and uh, you can see the 2092 02:04:04.399 --> 02:04:06.520 fog that was trapped on the surface of the thing 2093 02:04:06.520 --> 02:04:08.600 and being swept over it like water over the waterfall. 2094 02:04:08.600 --> 02:04:10.920 And this big, monstrous thing was moving off so fast. 2095 02:04:10.960 --> 02:04:12.680 And I was over with this camera going this is 2096 02:04:12.680 --> 02:04:14.399 the picture of a lifetime and you don't want to 2097 02:04:14.399 --> 02:04:17.000 miss it. And I thought, my god, I'm looking at 2098 02:04:17.000 --> 02:04:19.319 my display screen into my whole eye as big as 2099 02:04:19.359 --> 02:04:22.359 this thing is, I'm looking at solid white. I'm thinking 2100 02:04:22.600 --> 02:04:25.760 I got one shot, one shot left, and I've got nothing, 2101 02:04:25.840 --> 02:04:27.479 and I've got a sky full of YFO and there's 2102 02:04:27.520 --> 02:04:31.399 nothing on my display screen and got to catch this. 2103 02:04:31.479 --> 02:04:33.760 I've got people have got to see this and this, 2104 02:04:34.319 --> 02:04:36.720 and if only I think in this thing, this movie 2105 02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:38.359 is so fast. I'm thinking I'm fixing and just miss 2106 02:04:38.399 --> 02:04:40.920 it all together. I don't make an attempt. So I 2107 02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:43.760 pointed the eye real steady at the thing and I 2108 02:04:43.840 --> 02:04:45.880 hit recording that thing. And by the time I hit 2109 02:04:45.920 --> 02:04:48.399 the recorder, but this thing did a flip. It went, 2110 02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:50.760 it went like this, and it just flipped and started 2111 02:04:50.800 --> 02:04:53.079 coming back at me. From now, instead of looking at 2112 02:04:53.079 --> 02:04:54.439 the bottom of this thing, I'm looking at the top 2113 02:04:54.479 --> 02:04:56.760 of this thing. On top of this thing, it looks 2114 02:04:56.800 --> 02:04:58.720 like a city built on the surface of this thing. 2115 02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:01.880 I mean, there's it looks like there's towers. It looks 2116 02:05:01.920 --> 02:05:05.079 like there was building like structures. It almost looks like 2117 02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:08.720 a coral reef looking building looking structures that are tiring 2118 02:05:08.760 --> 02:05:10.640 off the surface of it. There was a huge tire 2119 02:05:10.680 --> 02:05:12.479 with a giant light on it, and the ray of 2120 02:05:12.560 --> 02:05:15.359 lights even above that, there's blue for us at power 2121 02:05:15.439 --> 02:05:17.680 line that's coming down this thing, and stretching across the 2122 02:05:17.720 --> 02:05:21.279 surface of this thing. There's a giant roll of burning flares, 2123 02:05:21.319 --> 02:05:24.560 like there's some kind of refinery process going on. These 2124 02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:27.560 giant players shooting out fire and you couldn't even see 2125 02:05:27.560 --> 02:05:29.640 the smoke that was coming out of the fire that 2126 02:05:29.680 --> 02:05:32.960 they were jetting out on them. And there's so much 2127 02:05:33.000 --> 02:05:35.600 to see, it, so much to take in, and this thing, 2128 02:05:35.680 --> 02:05:37.399 I'm looking at it and it's coming back at me. Well, 2129 02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:39.439 let's getting close to them down start getting scared again. 2130 02:05:39.439 --> 02:05:42.319 I'm starting to think about the My camera already stopped 2131 02:05:42.319 --> 02:05:46.560 recording and it said memory four and at that point 2132 02:05:46.800 --> 02:05:48.840 I couldn't take any more video or the moment, no 2133 02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:51.039 more photos or nothing like that. And this thing's coming 2134 02:05:51.039 --> 02:05:52.680 at me, and I'm thinking about crawl underneath the frame 2135 02:05:52.720 --> 02:05:56.000 of my truck and hiding. And finally this thing stopped. 2136 02:05:56.279 --> 02:05:58.520 It made a big sweeping circle around my location and 2137 02:05:58.600 --> 02:06:01.560 it took off that a forty five degree angle, and 2138 02:06:01.600 --> 02:06:04.359 it was a giant craft moving across above the tree 2139 02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:07.399 the trees. It was probably a mile and total length. 2140 02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:09.880 It was a V shaped craft. I could it looked 2141 02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:12.039 like a cigar shaped but at one point it made 2142 02:06:12.079 --> 02:06:14.239 a little kip like that and I could see the 2143 02:06:14.279 --> 02:06:16.319 other leg on it. I could tell that it was 2144 02:06:16.319 --> 02:06:18.239 a V shaped craft. It was flying with the ends 2145 02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:21.840 of the V. First it was like a tight b 2146 02:06:22.439 --> 02:06:25.399 and this thing it had had structures on the surface 2147 02:06:25.399 --> 02:06:27.760 of it. And it went from being a huge craft 2148 02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:30.600 lie over the trees to just four lights moving across 2149 02:06:30.640 --> 02:06:33.359 the sky again like I had first scene, come down 2150 02:06:33.439 --> 02:06:35.439 and it, and it did it pretty quick. I mean 2151 02:06:35.439 --> 02:06:38.600 within about two seconds. It went from ground level to 2152 02:06:38.680 --> 02:06:40.000 up there in the sky to where it was just 2153 02:06:40.199 --> 02:06:43.199 lights moving across the sky again. And I actually got 2154 02:06:43.199 --> 02:06:45.439 a piece of that craft and you and you you've 2155 02:06:45.479 --> 02:06:47.399 seen some of the video that I've taken off that gap. 2156 02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:49.439 There's nothing on this thing. It was like it's ever 2157 02:06:49.479 --> 02:06:52.000 been touched by human hand. There's stuff on the surface 2158 02:06:52.039 --> 02:06:54.479 of this thing. I've been trying to analyze this and 2159 02:06:54.520 --> 02:06:56.000 get some of the best footage I could of it. 2160 02:06:56.039 --> 02:06:58.159 And there's stuff on the surface of this thing that 2161 02:06:58.359 --> 02:07:03.039 is not from Earth period. And I don't know now 2162 02:07:03.359 --> 02:07:05.239 I thought a f A A low craft. I had 2163 02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:07.439 some debunkers say, Man, if you really saw this, you 2164 02:07:07.560 --> 02:07:10.199 really said, are you willing to file a f A 2165 02:07:10.279 --> 02:07:12.319 A low craft report? I said, your dad gunm right, 2166 02:07:12.359 --> 02:07:14.319 I am. I said, I've seen the craft. I know 2167 02:07:14.359 --> 02:07:16.199 what I've seen. I seen it with my eyes. I 2168 02:07:16.239 --> 02:07:19.840 caught a piece of it with my camera. And uh 2169 02:07:20.239 --> 02:07:22.239 and I said, I can guarantee you I have had 2170 02:07:22.279 --> 02:07:24.560 no problem I had. I thought a fa A low 2171 02:07:24.600 --> 02:07:26.840 craft report. I never mentioned the word UFO, and the 2172 02:07:26.840 --> 02:07:30.279 whole report we did a phone conference call the f 2173 02:07:30.319 --> 02:07:32.680 A A. The final we did a phone conference call 2174 02:07:32.720 --> 02:07:34.800 that said that every all known craft in the area 2175 02:07:34.920 --> 02:07:38.039 had been accounted for without incident, and I should report 2176 02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:40.920 my UFO to new for It National UFFO Report Center. 2177 02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:43.600 And I thought, what the fa A just called this 2178 02:07:43.680 --> 02:07:46.520 a UFO. So not only did the FAA said it's 2179 02:07:46.520 --> 02:07:49.720 a UFO, they don't know what it is. I've got 2180 02:07:49.760 --> 02:07:51.840 pictures of it, I've got videos of it, and it 2181 02:07:51.880 --> 02:07:55.880 ain't nothing on there recognizable by human hand. And uh So, 2182 02:07:57.119 --> 02:07:59.399 if that ain't some pretty good solid evidence that they're 2183 02:07:59.439 --> 02:08:01.359 they're here, I don't know what else it is. 2184 02:08:01.399 --> 02:08:04.039 You know, Yeah, definitely. And I really like the detail 2185 02:08:04.199 --> 02:08:07.319 that you have accounting for your story. It's it's great 2186 02:08:07.399 --> 02:08:10.079 that you can recall everything with such detail like that. 2187 02:08:11.159 --> 02:08:13.279 Now I want to get to some of your other encounters. 2188 02:08:13.279 --> 02:08:16.279 Did you have any questions writer for running real quick? 2189 02:08:17.920 --> 02:08:22.840 Just that that's an amazing, amazing experience. I probably would 2190 02:08:22.840 --> 02:08:28.000 have freaked out and probably peed my pants. So it's 2191 02:08:28.079 --> 02:08:31.720 great the the you're like Chris said, to recall all 2192 02:08:31.760 --> 02:08:36.720 of the the very detailed experience of that, you know, 2193 02:08:37.039 --> 02:08:40.039 and it's a shame that your camera didn't get the 2194 02:08:40.199 --> 02:08:43.960 entire shot and it was memory full. It seems to 2195 02:08:44.000 --> 02:08:46.560 happen all the time, whenever interesting things happen and we 2196 02:08:46.600 --> 02:08:49.720 see things like our technology just seems to screw up 2197 02:08:49.760 --> 02:08:50.119 all you. 2198 02:08:51.159 --> 02:08:53.119 Yeah, and we're going to share as many of those 2199 02:08:53.159 --> 02:08:55.840 pictures as we can towards the end here. Uh So 2200 02:08:55.920 --> 02:08:58.399 when we got we got a little time left, So Runny, 2201 02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:01.760 what was the next encounter that happened? When did you 2202 02:09:01.800 --> 02:09:03.399 actually encounter some of these. 2203 02:09:03.560 --> 02:09:09.479 Being We've been seeing a lot of anomalies around the house, 2204 02:09:09.600 --> 02:09:11.079 like a lot of people do, and I've caught a 2205 02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:13.319 lot of them on video and stuff. I won't spend 2206 02:09:13.319 --> 02:09:15.319 a whole lot of time on some of that footage 2207 02:09:15.399 --> 02:09:18.159 is available on my Ronnie Dawk YouTube channel that you 2208 02:09:18.199 --> 02:09:21.640 could check out anomalies. A lot of standing Romanac and 2209 02:09:21.680 --> 02:09:24.399 other people that have seen UFOs. It's like the ete 2210 02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:27.680 comes to your house, pays you a visit. You see 2211 02:09:27.680 --> 02:09:29.800 some odd stuff, and I've caught some of it on camera, 2212 02:09:29.840 --> 02:09:31.640 and some of the oddest stuff I haven't been able 2213 02:09:31.640 --> 02:09:34.960 to catch on camera. But there's definitely some weird stuff 2214 02:09:35.000 --> 02:09:37.560 going on here around the house. And I was convinced 2215 02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:40.239 that not only where I seen them, they'd follow me home. 2216 02:09:40.279 --> 02:09:42.439 They know where I live. They've been in my house. 2217 02:09:43.079 --> 02:09:46.159 They ransacked my house, so they definitely know where I live, 2218 02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:49.920 and so I was kind of wondering where all this 2219 02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:54.119 was going to head. Well about I think it was 2220 02:09:54.159 --> 02:09:57.760 August in twenty seventeen. I was working night, so I'd 2221 02:09:57.760 --> 02:10:00.279 come home from work and I went come in, come 2222 02:10:00.279 --> 02:10:01.920 on from work about three am, and I went to 2223 02:10:01.960 --> 02:10:04.399 bed and I usually sleep about ten or eleven hours 2224 02:10:04.520 --> 02:10:06.199 late as I can because I have to work the 2225 02:10:06.199 --> 02:10:08.800 next night as well. So it's about nine o'clock in 2226 02:10:08.840 --> 02:10:11.880 the morning. About nine o'clock in the morning, I'm sleeping away. 2227 02:10:12.079 --> 02:10:14.640 My wife is up doing her stuff. Because it's early 2228 02:10:14.680 --> 02:10:16.720 in the morning, she's up doing her thing, and it's 2229 02:10:16.800 --> 02:10:19.800 daylight outside that I keep my bedroom kind of dark 2230 02:10:19.800 --> 02:10:23.840 where I can kind of sleep and anyway, I'm sleeping away, 2231 02:10:23.960 --> 02:10:25.520 not even dreaming. All of a sudden, I have this 2232 02:10:25.600 --> 02:10:28.199 weird dream that these two females are pulling on my arms, 2233 02:10:28.239 --> 02:10:31.199 and I'm thinking what, And then I slip out of 2234 02:10:31.239 --> 02:10:34.880 the grass, and then I'm like, man, that was I dream. 2235 02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:37.159 You know. I didn't wake up, but I didn't fully 2236 02:10:37.199 --> 02:10:39.399 wake up, but I felt like I was no. I thought, 2237 02:10:39.399 --> 02:10:41.239 that's a just a dream, Go back to sleep, and 2238 02:10:41.279 --> 02:10:43.399 then so I started dreaming again. Next thing, you know, 2239 02:10:43.439 --> 02:10:45.079 it seemed like I all of a sudden, they got 2240 02:10:45.079 --> 02:10:47.720 me again. These two females got me, and they're pulling 2241 02:10:47.760 --> 02:10:49.439 on me. They feel like they're pulling me out of 2242 02:10:49.439 --> 02:10:51.279 a man home cover. One of them looks at me 2243 02:10:51.359 --> 02:10:54.239 right in the eyes, says, help us, and I realized 2244 02:10:54.279 --> 02:10:56.279 that I'm stuck and they're trying to pull me loose 2245 02:10:56.279 --> 02:10:58.000 for something I don't know. I feel like I'm stuck 2246 02:10:58.039 --> 02:11:00.720 in a manhole and they're pulling away at me, and 2247 02:11:01.159 --> 02:11:03.479 I'm struggling to get looks from whatever's holding me, and 2248 02:11:03.520 --> 02:11:05.800 they're trying to help me the best they can, and 2249 02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:09.199 finally they pull me looks and all of a sudden, 2250 02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:12.479 I'm standing up there beside them, and the first thing 2251 02:11:12.479 --> 02:11:14.600 they do is start apologizes, and it was said, well, 2252 02:11:14.640 --> 02:11:17.680 sorry we were disturbing your rest. We're we've been observing 2253 02:11:17.720 --> 02:11:20.000 you or from another world, and we need to have 2254 02:11:20.039 --> 02:11:25.239 a conversation. And I'm like, I'm thinking, on what is 2255 02:11:25.279 --> 02:11:27.239 going on? You have to first, you have to realize 2256 02:11:27.239 --> 02:11:29.319 you have to come to terms with what's going on. 2257 02:11:30.159 --> 02:11:32.039 And I'm thinking, well, is this a dream? Is this 2258 02:11:32.159 --> 02:11:34.319 really what is going on? But I realized I look around. 2259 02:11:34.399 --> 02:11:37.359 I'm in my bedroom, for there's no doubt in my bedroom, 2260 02:11:37.359 --> 02:11:40.279 I'm talking to two females. There's no doubt that. 2261 02:11:40.720 --> 02:11:43.039 Now, were they, you know, completely solid? Did they look 2262 02:11:43.119 --> 02:11:44.359 like they were just there with you? 2263 02:11:45.960 --> 02:11:48.840 Yeah? I mean they looked solid to me, and you know, 2264 02:11:48.960 --> 02:11:51.800 but I was standing and they said, they said, we 2265 02:11:51.840 --> 02:11:54.199 pull it said, they said, we need to have a conversation. 2266 02:11:54.279 --> 02:11:56.000 They said, this is a place where the people from 2267 02:11:56.000 --> 02:11:57.520 your world and the people are our world are going 2268 02:11:57.560 --> 02:11:59.880 to meet. And the people of our world are anxious 2269 02:11:59.880 --> 02:12:02.239 and me you, and we want to make open contact 2270 02:12:02.279 --> 02:12:04.279 with you, and we need to have a conversation with you. 2271 02:12:04.319 --> 02:12:09.439 And we've been watching you. And I'm thinking, okay, this serious. 2272 02:12:09.479 --> 02:12:11.920 And when I'm first I'm thinking it's this blue. I'm 2273 02:12:11.920 --> 02:12:12.840 talking to this blue. 2274 02:12:13.039 --> 02:12:13.159 Uh. 2275 02:12:13.680 --> 02:12:17.159 This one lady she's got she's tall, athletic, has short 2276 02:12:17.199 --> 02:12:19.520 black hair, and she's pretty close to my face. She's 2277 02:12:19.560 --> 02:12:22.039 got all this. She has this big rubie on her 2278 02:12:22.119 --> 02:12:24.479 left cheek. She has a diamond on her forehead and 2279 02:12:24.520 --> 02:12:26.079 a tattoo on her cheek, and I'm thinking this is 2280 02:12:26.119 --> 02:12:28.159 some kind of a hippi chick or something man. And 2281 02:12:28.840 --> 02:12:30.560 I'm thinking, if this is a prank of my wife, 2282 02:12:30.920 --> 02:12:32.800 I don't know. I know my wife's friends, I don't 2283 02:12:32.800 --> 02:12:34.720 know any of these, any of they look like this, 2284 02:12:35.399 --> 02:12:38.000 And I'm thinking, who in the world this is? And 2285 02:12:38.079 --> 02:12:41.000 then I look over her friend and her friend she's 2286 02:12:41.039 --> 02:12:44.279 got big hair, and you can see something sticking out 2287 02:12:44.279 --> 02:12:46.239 of the tip of her hair, and then she looks 2288 02:12:46.279 --> 02:12:48.079 like a She looks like a human in her face, 2289 02:12:48.079 --> 02:12:50.239 but right there on the tip of her her nose, 2290 02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:53.680 her eyebrows and eyes look like a human, but her 2291 02:12:53.720 --> 02:12:56.680 nose turns into a wine's mouth. And even her upper 2292 02:12:56.720 --> 02:12:59.840 lip has these big whiskers that are trimmed off, sticking 2293 02:12:59.840 --> 02:13:02.399 out of it, and it's still like a line's mouth. 2294 02:13:02.600 --> 02:13:05.640 And I'm and I'm looking at that, going oh, okay, 2295 02:13:05.920 --> 02:13:07.840 now now, if this is a cost and this is 2296 02:13:07.840 --> 02:13:11.119 a dad gun good one. I mean, because I'm close 2297 02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:15.359 and personal looking at this, going okay, this is okay, 2298 02:13:15.439 --> 02:13:18.159 and they said we're not okay. Now I start realizing, okay, 2299 02:13:18.800 --> 02:13:20.880 all right, so this is a possibility of what they're 2300 02:13:20.920 --> 02:13:24.119 saying is not bullcrap, right, And they said that I'm 2301 02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:26.880 all right, I'm gonna I'm safe, I'm not gonna be harmed. 2302 02:13:26.960 --> 02:13:30.000 They said, I'm sleeping. I said, my body is sleeping 2303 02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:31.880 peacefully in the bed. And I looked, and there's somebody 2304 02:13:31.920 --> 02:13:34.359 in my bed right where I sleep, and I'm not 2305 02:13:34.520 --> 02:13:36.840 I don't know it's me because I'm here now, I'm 2306 02:13:36.840 --> 02:13:39.520 not convinced that it's me. I want to go look 2307 02:13:40.279 --> 02:13:42.000 down on my own face and see if it's me. 2308 02:13:42.159 --> 02:13:43.760 So I tried to take a step and I fell 2309 02:13:43.840 --> 02:13:45.720 forward and I stick my arm out and my arm 2310 02:13:45.800 --> 02:13:48.640 hit on the leg every who's in the bed, and 2311 02:13:48.800 --> 02:13:50.680 I fell and I supported myself for a second, but 2312 02:13:50.720 --> 02:13:53.840 then my hand went right through the bone. It felt 2313 02:13:53.840 --> 02:13:56.439 like I broke the leg of over who that is, 2314 02:13:56.479 --> 02:13:59.359 and I felt the softness of the maculus underneath the bone. 2315 02:13:59.359 --> 02:14:02.000 It slap. My hand went right through the leg and 2316 02:14:02.039 --> 02:14:03.760 then that freaked me out, and I pulled my hand 2317 02:14:03.760 --> 02:14:06.000 back and there, and then I looked down on my 2318 02:14:06.039 --> 02:14:07.880 legs and see why I can't walk, And it looks 2319 02:14:07.920 --> 02:14:10.000 like I don't have no legs. I mean, it looks 2320 02:14:10.039 --> 02:14:12.199 like my legs are cut off at the knees. I 2321 02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:15.359 can see the bed starts my legs in. I can't 2322 02:14:15.359 --> 02:14:17.840 see through the bed or anything. It just looks like 2323 02:14:17.920 --> 02:14:20.520 I'm my legs didn't make the trip or something. I 2324 02:14:20.520 --> 02:14:22.800 don't know. And I'm freaking out. Go work. My legs 2325 02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:25.359 are out there. And they weighed me out of this 2326 02:14:25.399 --> 02:14:28.039 bed like a drunk. Really, they got me by the arm, say, 2327 02:14:28.119 --> 02:14:29.640 dragged me out of this bed. And then all of 2328 02:14:29.680 --> 02:14:32.640 a sudden, I can see my legs again, and I'm realizing, oh, 2329 02:14:32.680 --> 02:14:34.720 and they start telling me, now look in this place, 2330 02:14:35.880 --> 02:14:37.800 said this is why the people your world may refer 2331 02:14:37.880 --> 02:14:40.000 to as a time slip or something like this and 2332 02:14:40.399 --> 02:14:44.960 an alternate reality. And I'm going, okay. She goes, well, 2333 02:14:45.279 --> 02:14:47.239 now look here, you could we can move the physical 2334 02:14:47.239 --> 02:14:49.760 matter here, said, so don't panic, You're safe. We ain't 2335 02:14:49.760 --> 02:14:51.760 gonna let no harm come to here. And she told 2336 02:14:51.760 --> 02:14:53.399 me to put my hand on the field. The cat 2337 02:14:53.520 --> 02:14:55.920 lays and she said, put your hand on her face. 2338 02:14:56.880 --> 02:14:59.239 And she said, now just hold steal and she said, 2339 02:14:59.239 --> 02:15:01.319 now push. I started putting. I could fill her hair, 2340 02:15:01.399 --> 02:15:03.560 I could feel her skin, and as I started pushing, 2341 02:15:03.560 --> 02:15:06.159 my hands start sinking into her skull and then I 2342 02:15:06.199 --> 02:15:08.439 could feel the inside of her brain matter and almost 2343 02:15:08.479 --> 02:15:11.199 felt like my fingers were wet. And I jerked my 2344 02:15:11.279 --> 02:15:13.199 hand back and I was like, man, that is nasty, 2345 02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:17.520 and but my hand wasn't wet, but it felt wet, 2346 02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:21.359 and I was going, all right, okay, yeah, and I 2347 02:15:21.359 --> 02:15:23.640 said okay, I said, I said, I see, I see, 2348 02:15:23.960 --> 02:15:25.439 she goes, this is the place for the people of 2349 02:15:25.439 --> 02:15:26.880 your worder and the people are were going to meet 2350 02:15:27.159 --> 02:15:31.039 safe from viral bacterial harm here, and I said, we 2351 02:15:31.039 --> 02:15:33.840 don't want to biological cross contamination of our worlds will 2352 02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:36.279 be bad for both our worlds. And she said, we're 2353 02:15:36.359 --> 02:15:38.760 safe from physical violence here, and I'm going I see you. 2354 02:15:38.800 --> 02:15:42.079 I said yeah. I said a gun wouldn't even work here, 2355 02:15:42.680 --> 02:15:44.359 and uh. They kind of looked at each other, like 2356 02:15:44.439 --> 02:15:47.920 should we telling and they said, well, they said, we 2357 02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:50.399 have weapons that work that would do work here, and 2358 02:15:51.079 --> 02:15:53.880 sadly battles have been fought here, but we would never 2359 02:15:53.960 --> 02:15:58.119 use them against you. And I'm going, okay, And then 2360 02:15:58.399 --> 02:16:00.560 all of a sudden, guess who comes walking through the bedroom. 2361 02:16:00.600 --> 02:16:02.840 Because my wife walking through the bedroom, I can see 2362 02:16:02.840 --> 02:16:05.600 her plane as day, and I'm seeing her talking to 2363 02:16:05.640 --> 02:16:08.119 two females. My wife is like ten feet away, walking 2364 02:16:08.159 --> 02:16:09.439 on the other side of the bed, on their way 2365 02:16:09.439 --> 02:16:14.199 to the bathroom, fully dressed, and I'm looking at them 2366 02:16:14.239 --> 02:16:15.920 and looking at her like, why don't you see this? 2367 02:16:16.199 --> 02:16:18.920 They said, they can't. This is where we've been observing you. 2368 02:16:19.039 --> 02:16:21.840 They can't see or hear us from here. I said, 2369 02:16:21.880 --> 02:16:23.800 We've been observing you for a long time here, and 2370 02:16:24.199 --> 02:16:26.239 she went on to this. She went in and told me. 2371 02:16:26.319 --> 02:16:28.000 She was telling me a little story about how they 2372 02:16:28.199 --> 02:16:29.760 found us. In the latter part of the forties are 2373 02:16:29.800 --> 02:16:32.399 nuclear testings and light radiation off one of their planets. 2374 02:16:32.479 --> 02:16:34.959 They had been in an inter dimensional battle with the 2375 02:16:35.079 --> 02:16:38.639 malevolent species that had tacked them without provocation and tried 2376 02:16:38.639 --> 02:16:41.280 to enslave them at one point, and they had they 2377 02:16:41.280 --> 02:16:45.680 had set up some I guess, some defensive countermeasures, and 2378 02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:48.760 and they were wonder why their defensive countermeasures didn't react 2379 02:16:48.760 --> 02:16:51.280 to the light and radiation, and further investigation, they found 2380 02:16:51.319 --> 02:16:53.200 us in the latter point of the forties, and God 2381 02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:56.440 only knows what the whole story is. And maybe they 2382 02:16:56.440 --> 02:16:58.879 shot down the ones aid where ross will you know? 2383 02:16:59.159 --> 02:17:01.520 Because they were looking for malevelm species that had attacked 2384 02:17:01.559 --> 02:17:03.399 them when they thought maybe this was a stage ardor 2385 02:17:03.479 --> 02:17:06.040 for one of their attacks. And we were an allegiance 2386 02:17:06.040 --> 02:17:09.120 with those guys, and so they were very cautious and 2387 02:17:11.000 --> 02:17:13.239 and doing research to find out exactly who we want. 2388 02:17:13.319 --> 02:17:15.719 We wore exactly, so they didn't rush into anything. And 2389 02:17:15.760 --> 02:17:17.639 they've been watching us for quite a while. And that 2390 02:17:17.680 --> 02:17:20.079 would make it that they spoke English with her mouths, 2391 02:17:20.079 --> 02:17:22.079 and that would make sense. While they spoke English as 2392 02:17:22.079 --> 02:17:25.040 good as I do, I've been speaking English it's nineteen sixty. 2393 02:17:25.239 --> 02:17:27.120 If they've been here since the latter four of the forties, 2394 02:17:27.159 --> 02:17:29.319 they've been speaking English ten years longer than me. So 2395 02:17:29.600 --> 02:17:32.600 why wouldn't they know how to speak English? She spoke 2396 02:17:32.680 --> 02:17:35.559 very proper English, not texting like I speak. Even the 2397 02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:38.079 cat ladies spoke English. But you could tell she had 2398 02:17:38.120 --> 02:17:41.479 trouble speaking. Her mouth wouldn't made right pronounce certain syllables, 2399 02:17:41.879 --> 02:17:44.079 and even like a person with the speeching pedament, you 2400 02:17:44.079 --> 02:17:46.079 could tell when she had a problem. She was intelligent 2401 02:17:46.159 --> 02:17:49.319 enough to read word hers whatever she was trying to 2402 02:17:49.360 --> 02:17:51.280 say that so that she wouldn't have that problem again. 2403 02:17:51.799 --> 02:17:56.479 And they said the cat lady was their geneticist. And 2404 02:17:57.079 --> 02:17:58.840 I think the part of the Blue Lady was maybe 2405 02:17:58.840 --> 02:18:01.559 the pilot. I'm not sure exactly what her what her 2406 02:18:01.600 --> 02:18:05.360 world was. And uh, they bugged me for they said, 2407 02:18:05.680 --> 02:18:08.319 they said, we've been tasked with collecting a genetic sample. 2408 02:18:08.479 --> 02:18:11.879 We'd appreciated if you, you know, let us connect a 2409 02:18:11.959 --> 02:18:14.239 genetic sample from you. You don't have to, they say, 2410 02:18:14.360 --> 02:18:17.600 strictly voluntarily. And I said, look, I said, you want 2411 02:18:17.600 --> 02:18:19.159 the people your people your world want to meet to 2412 02:18:19.200 --> 02:18:20.840 people of our world, and I want the people of 2413 02:18:20.840 --> 02:18:22.360 our world to meet the people of your world. And 2414 02:18:22.360 --> 02:18:24.719 I said, I'm willing to help you do whatever it 2415 02:18:24.760 --> 02:18:27.040 takes to make this happen. I'm willing to take one 2416 02:18:27.079 --> 02:18:29.600 for the team if I have to whatever whatever I 2417 02:18:29.639 --> 02:18:31.799 got to do to get this done. You know, it 2418 02:18:31.840 --> 02:18:33.639 seemed like the right thing to say at the time. 2419 02:18:34.840 --> 02:18:37.040 I was in the situation to say it, and it 2420 02:18:37.159 --> 02:18:39.840 just felt like the right thing to say. And uh, 2421 02:18:39.920 --> 02:18:42.440 and she told me they even had the clothing. They said, 2422 02:18:42.639 --> 02:18:44.799 they said, just watching our world has affected the world. 2423 02:18:44.840 --> 02:18:47.440 That they were wearing clothing items that were copied from 2424 02:18:47.680 --> 02:18:50.440 watching our world that there the people of the world 2425 02:18:50.440 --> 02:18:52.959 had fell in love with. She said, they were ritualistic 2426 02:18:53.000 --> 02:18:55.120 clothing there, but they didn't wear clothing on the day 2427 02:18:55.120 --> 02:18:57.840 to today basis like we do. But after observing us, 2428 02:18:57.920 --> 02:19:00.520 some things have become proper. Low yoga pants for one, 2429 02:19:01.159 --> 02:19:03.879 and the blue jeans and the other like cat Lady 2430 02:19:03.920 --> 02:19:06.639 him on a white blast for some reason. That, yeah, 2431 02:19:06.760 --> 02:19:08.559 that's some of the items that had become popular in 2432 02:19:08.600 --> 02:19:11.040 their world. The females were wearing. And she said the 2433 02:19:11.120 --> 02:19:13.799 men weren't really privy to it because when they wanted 2434 02:19:13.799 --> 02:19:16.000 to have sex, they had to wait for the females 2435 02:19:16.040 --> 02:19:19.000 to take the clothing off. So I won't popular with 2436 02:19:19.040 --> 02:19:20.639 the man, but the women apparently like it. 2437 02:19:20.760 --> 02:19:22.600 That dang clothing always getting in the way. 2438 02:19:23.360 --> 02:19:27.879 Yeah, it's just the same way everywhere. Yes, So anyway, 2439 02:19:27.959 --> 02:19:33.040 so and I remember I was, I mean earlier in July, 2440 02:19:33.280 --> 02:19:35.920 I was at the Russell UFO Festival Nights talking to 2441 02:19:35.959 --> 02:19:41.040 Stanton Freeman and uh, and I was asking him, I said, 2442 02:19:41.040 --> 02:19:42.920 you know, I said, man if I was showing him 2443 02:19:42.959 --> 02:19:45.040 some of the pictures and a story that I had 2444 02:19:45.079 --> 02:19:47.520 caught while he was sitting in there in the conference, 2445 02:19:47.559 --> 02:19:49.719 and I told him, I said, you know, I said, 2446 02:19:49.840 --> 02:19:51.520 I give a chance to talk to these guys, you know, 2447 02:19:51.520 --> 02:19:53.760 why should I ask them? You know? And at one 2448 02:19:53.760 --> 02:19:55.520 point he told me he said, he said, tell them 2449 02:19:55.799 --> 02:19:58.239 to show you how they got you know. And I 2450 02:19:58.239 --> 02:20:01.520 remember that. I thought, hey, I said, can you guys. 2451 02:20:02.200 --> 02:20:04.760 You know, they're busy, they got something going on here 2452 02:20:04.799 --> 02:20:06.360 and they don't have time to ask that much of 2453 02:20:06.399 --> 02:20:08.239 my stupid questions. But I thought, can you show me 2454 02:20:08.280 --> 02:20:09.920 how you die? And you just show me how you 2455 02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:12.520 got it? They said, yeah, yeah, it's easy, they said. 2456 02:20:12.760 --> 02:20:14.639 They said, it's easy. We can show you said, she said, 2457 02:20:14.680 --> 02:20:15.920 all you have to do is walk through this wall. 2458 02:20:15.959 --> 02:20:18.000 Remember you can move this solid matter. Walk to this wall. 2459 02:20:18.319 --> 02:20:21.239 There's a plate glass winter right there, not a window, 2460 02:20:21.280 --> 02:20:24.120 but there's a picture there with a plate glass over 2461 02:20:24.120 --> 02:20:26.079 there over it. And she said, just walk to the 2462 02:20:26.079 --> 02:20:29.079 wall right here, and you'll be able to see my world, 2463 02:20:29.280 --> 02:20:30.840 she said. The blue lady said, you'll be able to 2464 02:20:30.840 --> 02:20:33.840 see my world. And I'm going just right to this 2465 02:20:33.879 --> 02:20:36.360 wall and she goes, she goes, yeah, just go, you know, hurry. 2466 02:20:36.399 --> 02:20:38.319 They're like, go ahead. Just go, You'll be all right. 2467 02:20:38.440 --> 02:20:40.760 Just go. And I think she meant for me just 2468 02:20:40.760 --> 02:20:42.319 to look through the wall, but I took it as 2469 02:20:42.360 --> 02:20:43.600 she wanted me to walk through the wall, so I 2470 02:20:44.239 --> 02:20:47.319 was going too slow. They were kind of kind of 2471 02:20:47.360 --> 02:20:49.440 hurried me, it looked like, and I was afraid the 2472 02:20:49.479 --> 02:20:51.040 glass is going to cut my face as I was 2473 02:20:51.079 --> 02:20:53.120 pushing through it. And I can feel it moving through 2474 02:20:53.159 --> 02:20:54.920 my eyes and my brain. I can feel the sheet 2475 02:20:54.959 --> 02:20:57.200 rock in the wall moving through my belly, and it 2476 02:20:57.280 --> 02:21:00.680 just felt unnatural and not normal. And inside the water 2477 02:21:00.680 --> 02:21:02.520 there was a two by four stud and I felt 2478 02:21:02.639 --> 02:21:04.559 you could feel it going through my right shoulder. Now 2479 02:21:04.879 --> 02:21:06.840 you could struggle to you could go through all the matter, 2480 02:21:06.879 --> 02:21:09.159 but it wouldn't like mist or smoke. Can't just walk 2481 02:21:09.200 --> 02:21:10.799 through it. It was like it's like you have a 2482 02:21:10.840 --> 02:21:12.959 little bit of mass and you had to struggle through 2483 02:21:13.639 --> 02:21:15.799 mass when you go through it. So I was having 2484 02:21:15.799 --> 02:21:17.559 to struggle through the wall. And even in the two 2485 02:21:17.559 --> 02:21:19.280 by four it was even more of a struggle to 2486 02:21:19.280 --> 02:21:21.399 get through it. And I even checked the wall where 2487 02:21:21.440 --> 02:21:23.200 I walked through it. There is a two before where 2488 02:21:23.319 --> 02:21:26.600 my right shoulder with a head. Anyway, I think she 2489 02:21:26.680 --> 02:21:28.200 meant for me to look through the wall. But I 2490 02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:29.920 walked through the wall and I ended up falling. I 2491 02:21:29.959 --> 02:21:33.920 fell in the outer space. I was hitting zero gravity 2492 02:21:33.959 --> 02:21:36.399 and the outer space. God only knows where this is at. 2493 02:21:36.479 --> 02:21:39.120 There was an alien planet off to my left. I 2494 02:21:39.159 --> 02:21:42.120 could see three major continents. I could see thin oceans. 2495 02:21:42.159 --> 02:21:45.000 I could see a frosty north and south pole. I 2496 02:21:45.000 --> 02:21:47.000 could only see one major in the lake. There was 2497 02:21:47.000 --> 02:21:48.920 a huge like one third of the planet had a 2498 02:21:48.920 --> 02:21:51.680 desert area, and there was a jungle area. Closer to 2499 02:21:51.719 --> 02:21:54.639 the oceans. I could see some beach lines on the 2500 02:21:54.760 --> 02:21:57.200 thin oceans that they had. The water looked very blue 2501 02:21:57.239 --> 02:22:00.520 and very pretty, but it wasn't wide oceans like by 2502 02:22:00.559 --> 02:22:03.920 no mean, and uh, I was taking all this angleh 2503 02:22:04.000 --> 02:22:06.200 my god, you know. And then I could see this rocky, 2504 02:22:06.280 --> 02:22:09.440 ugly looking moon that looked like Bobo some of Mars. 2505 02:22:09.479 --> 02:22:11.520 I mean, it was just a solid, ugly rock that 2506 02:22:11.559 --> 02:22:14.120 floated between me and the planet. And then I could 2507 02:22:14.120 --> 02:22:16.440 see another moon. I thought it was the sun there 2508 02:22:16.479 --> 02:22:18.559 for a while, but then I realized that it was 2509 02:22:18.840 --> 02:22:22.360 It's just another moon and the sunlight it is being 2510 02:22:22.360 --> 02:22:24.200 blocked from me. I'm actually looking at the dark side 2511 02:22:24.200 --> 02:22:26.040 of the planet. But there were so many stars in 2512 02:22:26.079 --> 02:22:29.000 the sky. It's like near the galactic center and the 2513 02:22:29.079 --> 02:22:31.079 light and there's so many stars in the sky, it's 2514 02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:33.479 like it can't get dark. It's like you could see 2515 02:22:33.559 --> 02:22:37.719 the dark side of the planet even from space. There's 2516 02:22:37.799 --> 02:22:39.959 just so much light there. Man, it's like it's never 2517 02:22:40.040 --> 02:22:42.959 really dark. So I realized that, man, and there's a 2518 02:22:43.079 --> 02:22:45.399 some kind of a anomaly in the sky looked like 2519 02:22:45.440 --> 02:22:47.479 a black hole with I mean it looked like a 2520 02:22:47.479 --> 02:22:49.680 black hole really. I mean it was you could see 2521 02:22:49.680 --> 02:22:52.120 it clearly right in the sky. And I drew a 2522 02:22:52.159 --> 02:22:53.920 sketch one of your pictures I give you as a 2523 02:22:53.959 --> 02:22:55.799 sketch of what I seen when I walked through the hole. 2524 02:22:56.120 --> 02:22:58.120 And as I was doing that slow forward flip and 2525 02:22:58.159 --> 02:23:01.840 I came back up, I was head over feet looking back, 2526 02:23:01.879 --> 02:23:03.479 and I thought, now I'm gonna be able to see 2527 02:23:03.520 --> 02:23:05.040 what I came out of it. And what I came 2528 02:23:05.079 --> 02:23:09.639 out of was this solid black crystalline blocks the box, 2529 02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:12.079 floating and out of space off this planet, not a 2530 02:23:12.159 --> 02:23:14.959 light on it, and no kind of technological nothing, just 2531 02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:19.239 a black crystalline blox floating in out of space outside 2532 02:23:19.319 --> 02:23:23.239 this planet. Now inside that box is apparently my bedroom. Somehow, 2533 02:23:23.479 --> 02:23:26.360 some way, I walked out of this thing and just 2534 02:23:26.399 --> 02:23:29.479 fell in out of orbit, in the orbit, out right 2535 02:23:29.479 --> 02:23:32.440 outside of your dadgone planet, man. And I didn't I 2536 02:23:32.440 --> 02:23:34.520 didn't need auction to breathe. I wasn't hot or cold. 2537 02:23:34.600 --> 02:23:37.520 I never felt hot or cold. And and I didn't 2538 02:23:37.559 --> 02:23:40.559 need to breathe oxygen here. I didn't feel any kind 2539 02:23:40.559 --> 02:23:42.760 of cold or any kind of suffocation or nothing like that. 2540 02:23:42.799 --> 02:23:44.959 I was able to just see as plain as day. 2541 02:23:45.040 --> 02:23:47.680 But I started getting feeling like I was getting sick 2542 02:23:47.719 --> 02:23:49.639 to my stomach because I had done about three of 2543 02:23:49.680 --> 02:23:53.040 these over the head flips now, and I was taking 2544 02:23:53.079 --> 02:23:54.760 everything in because man, I was like, I want to 2545 02:23:54.959 --> 02:23:57.959 remember every inch of this, you know, And and I 2546 02:23:58.000 --> 02:23:59.959 was thinking, fine, how am I gonna get back here? 2547 02:24:00.239 --> 02:24:02.959 I can't just call back in? And finally one of 2548 02:24:03.000 --> 02:24:05.399 them grabbed me by the shoulder, and I was in 2549 02:24:05.559 --> 02:24:08.200 zero grab you, of course, So I'm flipping around side 2550 02:24:08.239 --> 02:24:09.959 to side, and I'm afraid I'm gonna fly loose, so 2551 02:24:09.959 --> 02:24:12.799 I'm doing everything I can to hold onto her hand 2552 02:24:13.079 --> 02:24:15.319 to make sure I don't fly off. Because you can remember, 2553 02:24:15.760 --> 02:24:18.920 you can't grab somebody really good here because you're not 2554 02:24:19.120 --> 02:24:21.360 You don't have one hundred percent masks, So I was 2555 02:24:21.440 --> 02:24:23.120 scared to death. I was gonna fly off, so I 2556 02:24:23.159 --> 02:24:25.360 was trying to help hang on. She pulled me right 2557 02:24:25.399 --> 02:24:27.479 back to the wall. And now I'm in my bedroom 2558 02:24:27.520 --> 02:24:30.600 again and I'm standing up, going thank god. That was 2559 02:24:30.799 --> 02:24:32.600 That was a wild trip. There was a short trip, 2560 02:24:32.600 --> 02:24:35.079 but it was a wild one. I was glad to 2561 02:24:35.120 --> 02:24:36.200 be back. Wow. 2562 02:24:36.280 --> 02:24:42.360 Man, that's incredible. How how did this encounter end? 2563 02:24:42.040 --> 02:24:44.319 They wanted to collect this genant staff and I didn't 2564 02:24:44.360 --> 02:24:47.120 know how they planned on getting it and hid, but 2565 02:24:47.200 --> 02:24:48.799 I was willing to give it to them anyway they 2566 02:24:48.799 --> 02:24:51.040 wanted it. Whatever I needed to do to help them 2567 02:24:51.040 --> 02:24:54.159 out and be friends with them, staying good with them. 2568 02:24:54.639 --> 02:24:57.399 And she looked at me. She said, if you wouldn't mind, 2569 02:24:57.440 --> 02:25:01.239 you could just have sex with this. With our geneticis here, 2570 02:25:01.440 --> 02:25:03.799 she said she could get everything she needs from that. 2571 02:25:03.920 --> 02:25:07.399 And I'm going I think she just said sis sex 2572 02:25:07.920 --> 02:25:11.079 and I'm going just have sex, just have sex with her. 2573 02:25:11.079 --> 02:25:13.920 And they said yeah, they said. She said, I'll step 2574 02:25:13.920 --> 02:25:16.879 out and give you some privacy, you know, And she 2575 02:25:16.920 --> 02:25:18.399 said you don't have to if you don't want to. 2576 02:25:19.079 --> 02:25:21.840 And I look and man, you know this is this 2577 02:25:21.920 --> 02:25:24.360 is really, she goes, she said, And then she kind 2578 02:25:24.360 --> 02:25:26.200 of whispered in my ear. She said, she said, look, 2579 02:25:26.399 --> 02:25:29.840 she said, she said, on her world, she said, they 2580 02:25:29.879 --> 02:25:32.440 have She said, they have sex like the people of 2581 02:25:32.520 --> 02:25:36.600 your world shake hands and smiler strangers. And she said, 2582 02:25:36.639 --> 02:25:39.319 even the people in my world think it's odd. She said, 2583 02:25:39.360 --> 02:25:44.239 you don't have to, and I thought, well, yeah, I said, yeah, 2584 02:25:44.399 --> 02:25:46.840 you know, I'll do it. Okay, you know, i'll try, 2585 02:25:48.239 --> 02:25:52.239 I'll try, but anyway, yeah, she left. The other one was, 2586 02:25:52.879 --> 02:25:56.319 I mean, she starts stripping off what little this imitation 2587 02:25:56.520 --> 02:25:58.239 clothing that she had on, and I could see these 2588 02:25:58.280 --> 02:26:01.120 brilliant stripes on her body. She had this fur all 2589 02:26:01.120 --> 02:26:03.399 over her body. Shit, and then around her waist of 2590 02:26:03.440 --> 02:26:06.360 those blue jeans, she had a tail wrap, a huge 2591 02:26:06.520 --> 02:26:09.239 like a lion's tail, and this thing was whipping back 2592 02:26:09.280 --> 02:26:11.000 and forth. And she dumped on the bed and she said, 2593 02:26:11.000 --> 02:26:13.680 I've been watching you and your wife. And she asked 2594 02:26:13.719 --> 02:26:15.360 me at one point, but I thought she was pretty 2595 02:26:16.399 --> 02:26:19.440 as my wife. And I know enough about women that 2596 02:26:19.479 --> 02:26:21.760 when a woman asked you that the edswer was always yes. 2597 02:26:21.920 --> 02:26:24.479 You know, I said yes, you know, I wasn't about 2598 02:26:24.479 --> 02:26:29.200 to say yes except for your cat like mouth, so 2599 02:26:29.239 --> 02:26:31.600 I said, yes, yeah, even very pretty, you know. And 2600 02:26:31.639 --> 02:26:33.040 she said, I been watching you and your wife. I 2601 02:26:33.040 --> 02:26:35.319 want you to make me feel like she feels. And 2602 02:26:35.559 --> 02:26:37.760 she jumped up on the bed in a sexual position 2603 02:26:37.840 --> 02:26:40.680 at me and my wife had used frequently, and I thought, 2604 02:26:40.719 --> 02:26:44.319 oh my god, they've been watching everything. They have seen everything. Man, 2605 02:26:44.639 --> 02:26:48.840 there's nothing hidden here. They've been walking amongst us. They've 2606 02:26:48.920 --> 02:26:51.280 seen everything you've done. They've seen everything I've done. They 2607 02:26:51.680 --> 02:26:53.879 know it. They know it all, you know. And even 2608 02:26:53.920 --> 02:26:55.639 my wife had remarked at the time or two, she said, 2609 02:26:55.680 --> 02:26:58.120 I swear I see something in the dark watching her sometimes, 2610 02:26:58.120 --> 02:27:03.040 you know. And I maybe, But anyway, she got her 2611 02:27:03.079 --> 02:27:06.360 genetic sample. She jumped up, shot it. She got shot 2612 02:27:06.399 --> 02:27:08.959 to you jack at the into this beaker. They had 2613 02:27:08.959 --> 02:27:11.120 this yellow hand on this light started shining over it, 2614 02:27:11.159 --> 02:27:13.319 and these lights lit up on the handle of it. 2615 02:27:13.639 --> 02:27:16.079 And she said, we said, we have to synthesize it 2616 02:27:16.159 --> 02:27:19.680 when we collect it. Here we refer raw material. And 2617 02:27:20.000 --> 02:27:22.000 h I said, I said, well, you know, I've had 2618 02:27:22.000 --> 02:27:24.000 it for second me and I'm not the best genetic 2619 02:27:24.040 --> 02:27:26.479 sample that you can find here. There's way better. She said, no, 2620 02:27:26.600 --> 02:27:29.239 she said, yeah, to understand, we need a genetic. We said, 2621 02:27:29.319 --> 02:27:32.719 we needed biological genetic material from everybody, the masses of 2622 02:27:32.760 --> 02:27:34.799 the people. She said, not just a few people, She said, 2623 02:27:34.840 --> 02:27:37.600 we need the masses. They said, do you think the 2624 02:27:37.719 --> 02:27:40.399 masses if we had makeing open contact, the masses of 2625 02:27:40.479 --> 02:27:44.760 the population would donate us genetic I said, yeah, if 2626 02:27:44.760 --> 02:27:46.840 we if we had open contact on her friendly devices, 2627 02:27:46.920 --> 02:27:49.520 I believe they would and they and they asked me 2628 02:27:49.559 --> 02:27:51.120 at one point, you know how, you know, how should 2629 02:27:51.120 --> 02:27:53.920 we go about making contact? And I thought about it 2630 02:27:53.959 --> 02:27:55.879 for a minute. And at first the first thing I 2631 02:27:55.920 --> 02:27:57.799 told him, I said, you're gonna have to give that 2632 02:27:57.879 --> 02:27:59.920 guy laying in the bed there a piece of alien 2633 02:28:00.440 --> 02:28:02.760 machinery that does something that we're not capable of doing, 2634 02:28:02.799 --> 02:28:05.600 made out of material that we don't have, so that 2635 02:28:05.680 --> 02:28:08.040 I can convince the skepticist callers that I'm really in 2636 02:28:08.120 --> 02:28:11.319 conversation with you. And they said okay. And then I 2637 02:28:11.319 --> 02:28:13.719 thought about it. You know, they just somebody probably just 2638 02:28:13.719 --> 02:28:15.399 take it. It would end up in the warehouse and I 2639 02:28:15.520 --> 02:28:18.000 ended up locked away somewhere and I said, now, hold on, 2640 02:28:18.079 --> 02:28:20.239 I said, wait, I said, what would be better now? 2641 02:28:20.280 --> 02:28:22.680 I said, a global display of again prinsient. I said, 2642 02:28:22.680 --> 02:28:26.000 bring a big ship in flight around until everybody on 2643 02:28:26.040 --> 02:28:27.360 Earth has seen it. I said, it would be a 2644 02:28:27.399 --> 02:28:29.120 big wake up call for us. He was scared of 2645 02:28:29.120 --> 02:28:30.879 some of us. And I said, that's what we need. 2646 02:28:30.959 --> 02:28:32.840 I said, we need a wake up car. And I said, 2647 02:28:32.879 --> 02:28:35.559 we need we need a conversation with you. We need 2648 02:28:35.600 --> 02:28:38.319 to know that we're not alone in the universe. And 2649 02:28:38.360 --> 02:28:40.200 I said, there are people actually on our planet that 2650 02:28:40.280 --> 02:28:43.760 think that we're the only life in the whole wide universe. 2651 02:28:44.200 --> 02:28:46.600 And she looked at me like, surely y'all can't be 2652 02:28:46.639 --> 02:28:48.760 that stupid, right, But that's the way. She looked at me, 2653 02:28:48.920 --> 02:28:54.319 like what really, And I said no, I said that's 2654 02:28:54.360 --> 02:28:56.719 what I would do. And she said, all right, we'll 2655 02:28:56.799 --> 02:28:58.600 pass it on the others. And they said, but but 2656 02:28:58.680 --> 02:29:01.239 it's time for you to go back. And I thought, okay, well, 2657 02:29:01.319 --> 02:29:02.680 how do you want me to go back? And they said, well, 2658 02:29:02.920 --> 02:29:05.399 just lay on yourself and you'll go back. And so 2659 02:29:05.920 --> 02:29:07.239 I went over to where I was laying in bed. 2660 02:29:07.239 --> 02:29:10.000 I laying on top of myself. Nothing happened. I was 2661 02:29:10.040 --> 02:29:12.239 just laying there and I thought, man, I'm stuck here. 2662 02:29:12.280 --> 02:29:14.799 I can't get back now. And she I said, well, 2663 02:29:14.840 --> 02:29:16.840 it's not working. And she said, well, get up, she said, 2664 02:29:16.840 --> 02:29:18.200 staying here side the bed. And she said okay, and 2665 02:29:18.200 --> 02:29:21.399 I leap on yourself. And I said, well, you know, 2666 02:29:21.399 --> 02:29:23.040 I afraid when I go back there, I'm not gonna 2667 02:29:23.040 --> 02:29:25.200 remember any of this. And she said, she said, look, Ronner, 2668 02:29:25.280 --> 02:29:27.319 this is an alternate reality. She said, when the people 2669 02:29:27.319 --> 02:29:29.319 in your world meet the people of our world and 2670 02:29:29.399 --> 02:29:32.159 have a conversation, they're gonna remember everything that was done. 2671 02:29:32.159 --> 02:29:34.959 And said said, this is alternate reality. This is not 2672 02:29:35.000 --> 02:29:37.079 a sleep state. You're gonna remember every bit of this. 2673 02:29:37.879 --> 02:29:41.040 And I said awesome. And so I leaped on to myself. Man, 2674 02:29:41.040 --> 02:29:43.120 it felt like I felt five feet. It scared me. Man, 2675 02:29:43.159 --> 02:29:45.120 it fell out of my heart, fell out of my chest. 2676 02:29:45.600 --> 02:29:47.600 And as soon as I hit bottom, Man, I woke 2677 02:29:47.680 --> 02:29:49.920 up in that bed. The room looked identical to the 2678 02:29:49.920 --> 02:29:51.840 way it looked. My wife is wearing the same clothes 2679 02:29:51.879 --> 02:29:54.799 I sent her. Walked through the bedroom. Man, I mean 2680 02:29:54.799 --> 02:29:56.479 the lights coming in from the windows the same, the 2681 02:29:56.559 --> 02:30:00.920 lights coming in from the bedroom the same. The clothing 2682 02:30:01.000 --> 02:30:03.399 my wife is wearing was identical clothing I seen where 2683 02:30:04.000 --> 02:30:06.000 I checked the study in the wall that I went through. 2684 02:30:06.040 --> 02:30:07.879 My right shoulder, it's right where it should have been. 2685 02:30:08.479 --> 02:30:11.479 The picture that I walked through had a plate glass 2686 02:30:11.479 --> 02:30:13.440 over just like I remember they had. The next one 2687 02:30:13.479 --> 02:30:16.040 over didn't, but the one I walked through did have 2688 02:30:16.120 --> 02:30:18.360 a glass over the top of it, and I thought 2689 02:30:18.520 --> 02:30:21.559 everything fit like a glove, you know, it fit just 2690 02:30:21.600 --> 02:30:22.360 like a glove. Man. 2691 02:30:22.399 --> 02:30:22.680 It was. 2692 02:30:22.799 --> 02:30:26.719 There's not a hole in the story anywhere. I had 2693 02:30:26.920 --> 02:30:28.239 really incredible, real deal. 2694 02:30:29.079 --> 02:30:31.440 Wow. Yeah, that's that's that's a great h that's a 2695 02:30:31.440 --> 02:30:34.479 great recall of that account. Now I want to get 2696 02:30:34.520 --> 02:30:36.360 to the pictures writer. Did you have any questions for 2697 02:30:36.440 --> 02:30:37.440 Ronnie before we get to. 2698 02:30:37.399 --> 02:30:43.879 The Yes, Uh, Ronnie, that was an amazing story. I'm 2699 02:30:43.879 --> 02:30:46.120 just sitting back and trying to take that in because 2700 02:30:46.120 --> 02:30:50.719 that's some uh, some fantastical uh events that you had 2701 02:30:50.760 --> 02:30:53.040 happened to you. So I just kind of have one 2702 02:30:53.120 --> 02:30:55.799 question I wanted. It's kind of a silly question, but 2703 02:30:56.159 --> 02:30:58.120 I wanted to ask you in the middle of you 2704 02:30:58.159 --> 02:31:02.440 telling the story. But whenever you you were floating around, uh, 2705 02:31:02.479 --> 02:31:07.000 out in space, were the planets that you seen circular 2706 02:31:07.319 --> 02:31:07.879 and around? 2707 02:31:09.760 --> 02:31:11.840 Yeah? They were? Because I could see I could see 2708 02:31:11.840 --> 02:31:14.159 one planet that looked like a water planet. It was 2709 02:31:14.200 --> 02:31:16.680 close enough to the alien planet off to my left 2710 02:31:16.680 --> 02:31:18.879 and I could see blue on it, and I could 2711 02:31:18.920 --> 02:31:21.680 see wide on it, and it almost looked like a 2712 02:31:21.760 --> 02:31:25.719 water world. And uh, and the anomaly that was in 2713 02:31:25.760 --> 02:31:28.440 the sky, I think it was it was like the dark. 2714 02:31:28.559 --> 02:31:31.760 It was like galactic center, or maybe it was a pulsar, 2715 02:31:31.920 --> 02:31:34.479 but it was something that was sucking solar systems in. 2716 02:31:35.000 --> 02:31:37.520 You could see, man, it was. It was beautiful and 2717 02:31:37.559 --> 02:31:40.239 horrifying and the same breath. Man, I mean, if you 2718 02:31:40.239 --> 02:31:43.799 could see. Yeah, you see pictures from the whole telescope 2719 02:31:43.840 --> 02:31:46.280 and stuff for these things, but you know, see it 2720 02:31:46.399 --> 02:31:49.280 right there in the sky, up close and personal. And 2721 02:31:49.360 --> 02:31:50.920 in fact, there was a few times I was looking 2722 02:31:50.959 --> 02:31:53.399 at the planet I seen what looked like a gravity 2723 02:31:53.440 --> 02:31:57.159 wave move across the thing. And it made me wonder 2724 02:31:57.200 --> 02:32:00.520 that they was I really and out of space, or 2725 02:32:00.520 --> 02:32:02.399 whether they beat me up to a ship and they 2726 02:32:02.440 --> 02:32:05.319 would show me a projection on the wall. You know, 2727 02:32:05.399 --> 02:32:09.000 I have no idea if I was actually back is 2728 02:32:09.120 --> 02:32:12.559 wherever they came from in some other universe looking at 2729 02:32:12.559 --> 02:32:14.280 this stuff, or maybe they beat me up to their 2730 02:32:14.280 --> 02:32:16.799 ship and outer space and zero gravity and they were 2731 02:32:16.799 --> 02:32:20.399 shooting a projection on the wall, you know. So I'm 2732 02:32:20.399 --> 02:32:23.719 still I hadn't you know. I don't know exactly where 2733 02:32:23.760 --> 02:32:25.799 I was at, but I know it was a wow. 2734 02:32:26.200 --> 02:32:28.760 It was a wild ride, and I remember taking it. 2735 02:32:28.799 --> 02:32:31.479 I remember taking it in. I was like, you got it. 2736 02:32:31.559 --> 02:32:32.959 And that's why I made this sketch. You know. I 2737 02:32:33.040 --> 02:32:35.600 Roon Smith said, man, Ron has this important stuff, said 2738 02:32:35.760 --> 02:32:38.879 remember everything you can as quickly as you after the advance, 2739 02:32:38.959 --> 02:32:41.760 make a sketch up. And so I sketched this stuff 2740 02:32:41.760 --> 02:32:43.520 out as best I can remember it so I wouldn't 2741 02:32:43.559 --> 02:32:44.040 forget it. 2742 02:32:45.040 --> 02:32:48.879 Do you do you remember how they got you outside 2743 02:32:48.920 --> 02:32:50.520 of your body? Do you know if it was like 2744 02:32:50.559 --> 02:32:53.239 a technology that they used to get you outside of 2745 02:32:53.280 --> 02:32:54.959 your body? Because a lot of people this sounds like 2746 02:32:55.000 --> 02:32:57.959 an astral experience to me, and a lot of people 2747 02:32:58.280 --> 02:33:02.479 have to work hard and dedication and practice to be 2748 02:33:02.520 --> 02:33:04.399 able to get outside of their body. A lot of 2749 02:33:04.440 --> 02:33:06.280 people just can't do it right off the bat. So 2750 02:33:06.559 --> 02:33:08.360 do you think it was a technology that they were 2751 02:33:08.440 --> 02:33:12.319 using or some spiritual technology to get you outside of 2752 02:33:12.319 --> 02:33:12.760 your body? 2753 02:33:13.680 --> 02:33:15.680 Yeah? I don't think it had anything to do with 2754 02:33:15.760 --> 02:33:18.719 spiritual spirituality at all. It say like they were just 2755 02:33:18.760 --> 02:33:21.159 grabbing me and pulling me out, And in fact, I 2756 02:33:21.239 --> 02:33:23.440 even had to help them, you know. And like I said, 2757 02:33:23.479 --> 02:33:26.840 I'm not one of those people that astro travels. I 2758 02:33:26.920 --> 02:33:30.799 think I'm meditated twice in my whole life, and so 2759 02:33:31.000 --> 02:33:33.000 I'm not one of those kind of people that, you know, 2760 02:33:33.280 --> 02:33:35.479 I've never really bought much into that, but I've never 2761 02:33:36.000 --> 02:33:38.000 I kind of do now that I've seen that that 2762 02:33:38.079 --> 02:33:41.239 this place actually exists. That I always thought if your 2763 02:33:41.559 --> 02:33:44.760 consciousness left your body, your body died, you know, you're dead. 2764 02:33:45.399 --> 02:33:48.360 Now that I see that, now that I see that 2765 02:33:48.399 --> 02:33:51.040 the body is a blessed suit for the soul or 2766 02:33:51.040 --> 02:33:54.840 the spirit or the consciousness society, now it's like, man, 2767 02:33:54.879 --> 02:33:56.799 you know, I have no doubt that death is not 2768 02:33:56.920 --> 02:33:59.559 the end, that death is a transition, is something different. 2769 02:34:00.079 --> 02:34:03.840 So yeah, that's great. That's really cool. Now, Ronnie, while 2770 02:34:03.840 --> 02:34:06.319 I go ahead them to pull up these pictures. Do 2771 02:34:06.360 --> 02:34:10.760 you have any kind of overall thoughts on what these 2772 02:34:11.600 --> 02:34:14.680 extraterrestrial agendas may be? Do you think that there are 2773 02:34:14.680 --> 02:34:18.440 different factions with different agendas for humanity? 2774 02:34:20.360 --> 02:34:22.879 Yeah? Absolutely, I think these these are. And they told 2775 02:34:22.879 --> 02:34:24.799 me these guys have only been here since the forties, 2776 02:34:24.840 --> 02:34:26.760 and they said, they said that, no, they're not the 2777 02:34:26.799 --> 02:34:29.879 first et here, and they're not friendly with the other 2778 02:34:29.920 --> 02:34:32.799 et that have possibly been here, and in fact, they 2779 02:34:32.840 --> 02:34:35.120 come here looking for the people who had attacked them, 2780 02:34:35.120 --> 02:34:39.840 and they're still at war with these guys. So I mean, yeah, 2781 02:34:39.840 --> 02:34:43.440 I mean these yeah, these guys are they're not all 2782 02:34:43.479 --> 02:34:45.520 good and they're not all bad, you know, is the 2783 02:34:45.559 --> 02:34:48.680 way it seems to me. And they're certainly they told 2784 02:34:48.719 --> 02:34:50.879 me that they're certainly not alone in the universe, and 2785 02:34:50.920 --> 02:34:52.719 they're certainly not the only ones out there. And they 2786 02:34:52.719 --> 02:34:55.399 said we had butter Houl that the guys that attack 2787 02:34:55.479 --> 02:34:58.920 them don't find us. But they did say that now 2788 02:34:58.959 --> 02:35:01.239 that they found us, and that the people that want 2789 02:35:01.280 --> 02:35:03.680 to be friends with us, we are under their care 2790 02:35:03.760 --> 02:35:05.319 and protection to a certain degree. 2791 02:35:06.639 --> 02:35:09.959 Now, can you guys see the screen here? Can you 2792 02:35:09.959 --> 02:35:15.559 see Ronny's picture? Can you see Ronnie's picture here? 2793 02:35:16.639 --> 02:35:17.920 Yes? Sorry? Ours muted? 2794 02:35:18.440 --> 02:35:21.600 Okay, awesome, Now, Ronnie, what are we looking at here? 2795 02:35:21.799 --> 02:35:23.879 They're not in any particular order, so just kind of 2796 02:35:23.879 --> 02:35:24.920 tell us what we're looking at. 2797 02:35:25.600 --> 02:35:27.959 Okay. The pictures on the left side are the pictures 2798 02:35:28.000 --> 02:35:31.399 I took in in twenty eleven of the ship that 2799 02:35:31.479 --> 02:35:33.680 passed over me in the oil field that I took 2800 02:35:33.680 --> 02:35:36.959 from my hiding spot, And that same et that's looking 2801 02:35:36.959 --> 02:35:40.120 out of that four hole window opening in the bottom 2802 02:35:40.200 --> 02:35:43.799 of that disc is the same one that I encountered 2803 02:35:43.799 --> 02:35:47.040 in twenty seventeen. The drawing on the right is the 2804 02:35:48.399 --> 02:35:50.479 is of the blue lady that I had talked to 2805 02:35:50.719 --> 02:35:53.520 that in the visitation of twenty seventeen in my bedroom, 2806 02:35:54.079 --> 02:35:56.360 and you could see that's the same one that's in 2807 02:35:56.479 --> 02:35:59.920 the UFO there that I actually caught a picture of 2808 02:36:00.120 --> 02:36:04.440 twenty eleven. So, I mean, there's not many cases that 2809 02:36:04.479 --> 02:36:07.200 I know of where somebody has an at encounter and 2810 02:36:07.239 --> 02:36:09.639 actually has a picture of the et that he is 2811 02:36:09.680 --> 02:36:12.639 in conversation with. All right, yeah, I. 2812 02:36:12.559 --> 02:36:16.360 Do now, but let's see. Let me pull that up 2813 02:36:16.360 --> 02:36:18.879 again because I want to see. Uh, you said, where 2814 02:36:18.959 --> 02:36:22.520 is the actual picture of the extraterrestrial down here at 2815 02:36:22.520 --> 02:36:24.000 the very bottom. 2816 02:36:24.360 --> 02:36:26.399 Yeah, that's her face right there, and you can see 2817 02:36:26.440 --> 02:36:29.600 the face on the drawing. The one on the bottom 2818 02:36:29.639 --> 02:36:31.000 is the close up of her face and you can 2819 02:36:31.040 --> 02:36:33.280 see the red ruby on her on her left cheek. 2820 02:36:33.399 --> 02:36:37.200 I see interesting. All right, let me pull up another 2821 02:36:37.239 --> 02:36:40.639 one here. Now I think this is just a screenshot 2822 02:36:40.719 --> 02:36:42.000 from a video, is that right? 2823 02:36:43.840 --> 02:36:46.040 This is some of the anomalies that we captured around 2824 02:36:46.040 --> 02:36:46.479 my home. 2825 02:36:46.840 --> 02:36:48.680 Hold on, I have to have a video here of 2826 02:36:48.760 --> 02:36:51.280 that that we could play. Let me pull that up. 2827 02:36:52.719 --> 02:36:54.319 Yeah, we were shooting a UFO video. 2828 02:36:54.920 --> 02:36:56.040 Can you see the video here? 2829 02:36:56.719 --> 02:36:59.760 Video? Okay. It was like ET decided to show up 2830 02:36:59.760 --> 02:37:01.840 in the video and let us know that they were 2831 02:37:01.840 --> 02:37:04.280 watching it. So it was like we were doing a 2832 02:37:04.360 --> 02:37:06.760 UFO video. Thing behind you here right? Ah? 2833 02:37:07.000 --> 02:37:07.520 Interesting. 2834 02:37:08.959 --> 02:37:10.559 Look it shoots it in my mouth and for a 2835 02:37:10.600 --> 02:37:12.680 second you can see it in my mouth, open mouth, 2836 02:37:12.719 --> 02:37:16.639 and then it just disappears again. This is a slow 2837 02:37:16.719 --> 02:37:19.079 down video and I'm actually talking when all this is 2838 02:37:19.120 --> 02:37:23.719 going on. They play that again, and you can see 2839 02:37:23.719 --> 02:37:25.760 in my mouth after this thing shoots in my head, 2840 02:37:25.760 --> 02:37:27.760 appears out of my open mouth as if to look 2841 02:37:27.760 --> 02:37:29.239 to see if the cameras according you. 2842 02:37:29.399 --> 02:37:33.520 Whoa, I see it there. That's interesting. Wow, I'll play 2843 02:37:33.559 --> 02:37:42.680 that one more time here. That is very interesting, and 2844 02:37:42.799 --> 02:37:46.319 there it is in Wow all right, and. 2845 02:37:46.319 --> 02:37:48.120 I have I have no doubt that that's it. That's 2846 02:37:48.200 --> 02:37:50.600 just ET trying to let me know that they're here 2847 02:37:50.799 --> 02:37:52.879 in my home watching. Man. I think they were casting 2848 02:37:53.079 --> 02:37:55.559 following me, and I think they kind of liked me. 2849 02:37:55.600 --> 02:37:58.120 I think they may probably watched me enough to see 2850 02:37:58.600 --> 02:37:59.120 that I'm. 2851 02:37:59.000 --> 02:38:00.120 Not a bad guy. 2852 02:38:00.280 --> 02:38:01.159 I guess. I don't know. 2853 02:38:02.639 --> 02:38:05.520 What are we looking at here? This is the architecture 2854 02:38:05.559 --> 02:38:06.799 that you were talking about earlier. 2855 02:38:07.600 --> 02:38:09.719 This is one of the steel frames of the video 2856 02:38:09.799 --> 02:38:11.719 I took of the left half of the mother ship 2857 02:38:11.760 --> 02:38:14.079 that I caught in the video of the mothership that 2858 02:38:14.120 --> 02:38:18.040 flew over. We've been looking for alien architecture on the 2859 02:38:18.120 --> 02:38:20.319 surface of it. It's a zoomed in piece of the 2860 02:38:20.360 --> 02:38:23.239 craft and it was the only thing that I could 2861 02:38:23.719 --> 02:38:28.159 find that resembled alien architecture, and I thought, yeah, it 2862 02:38:28.200 --> 02:38:28.959 looks very odd. 2863 02:38:30.200 --> 02:38:31.879 All right, let's see what we got next. 2864 02:38:32.479 --> 02:38:33.120 This is just. 2865 02:38:34.639 --> 02:38:36.239 What do we have here? Is this just an image 2866 02:38:36.239 --> 02:38:38.799 of a depiction of the cow? Yeah? 2867 02:38:38.799 --> 02:38:42.159 That was a Japanese The Japanese TV came to my 2868 02:38:42.319 --> 02:38:44.280 house and we went out to where the calib dushion 2869 02:38:44.319 --> 02:38:47.360 took place and we recorded some video and footage where 2870 02:38:47.360 --> 02:38:49.600 the cow had was a ducted at over the field. 2871 02:38:50.479 --> 02:38:52.559 I see, okay, cool, And that's a piece of their 2872 02:38:52.600 --> 02:38:55.639 footage where they aired on Japanese TV. 2873 02:38:55.559 --> 02:38:59.120 On caught on camera and okay, this is what you 2874 02:38:59.159 --> 02:38:59.879 saw out in space. 2875 02:39:00.079 --> 02:39:05.600 I guess, yeah, that's what I seen when I walk 2876 02:39:05.680 --> 02:39:07.680 through the wall and I fell in the outer space. 2877 02:39:09.440 --> 02:39:12.719 I was completely naked during this whole time with talking 2878 02:39:12.719 --> 02:39:15.479 to these two, but I it was that kind of 2879 02:39:15.479 --> 02:39:17.600 embarrassing for a second, But then I realized they pulled 2880 02:39:17.600 --> 02:39:19.680 me out of my sleeping body, so they get whatever 2881 02:39:19.760 --> 02:39:24.399 they get, you know, right. Yeah, So I'm floating outside 2882 02:39:24.440 --> 02:39:27.120 the black box in outer space. There's an alien planet 2883 02:39:27.120 --> 02:39:29.079 off to my left. There's an ugly moon floating by 2884 02:39:29.120 --> 02:39:31.040 in between me and the planet. You can see the 2885 02:39:31.799 --> 02:39:34.959 Glack economale up there. That's the glack extenter or whatever. 2886 02:39:35.000 --> 02:39:35.479 That was. 2887 02:39:38.000 --> 02:39:42.159 Very interesting to pull up another one here, all right, 2888 02:39:42.159 --> 02:39:42.920 what do we have here? 2889 02:39:46.559 --> 02:39:49.040 This is a zoomed in picture of the surface of 2890 02:39:49.079 --> 02:39:53.120 the mother ship. I've been trying to clear the picture 2891 02:39:53.200 --> 02:39:55.280 up for years to see exactly what we can see. 2892 02:39:55.360 --> 02:39:57.079 As you can see on the surface of this thing 2893 02:39:57.520 --> 02:39:59.959 solid rock on the bottom of the top of the surfa, 2894 02:40:00.120 --> 02:40:02.360 and this thing has building like structures on it. There's 2895 02:40:02.399 --> 02:40:05.680 this thing tiring up in the background, and it's tiring 2896 02:40:05.799 --> 02:40:08.200 up higher than the buildings are. The buildings are probably 2897 02:40:08.200 --> 02:40:10.399 two story buildings, so this thing is towering over the 2898 02:40:10.399 --> 02:40:13.520 two story buildings. And uh, when I got a good 2899 02:40:13.559 --> 02:40:16.000 look at this thing. This thing looks like a forty 2900 02:40:16.000 --> 02:40:19.799 foot alien in sicktory. And uh, you can even see 2901 02:40:19.799 --> 02:40:23.280 the shadow of the arm and the it's consistent with 2902 02:40:23.319 --> 02:40:25.559 the direction of the light that's shouting on its body. 2903 02:40:25.559 --> 02:40:27.399 You can see the shadow that its arm makes it 2904 02:40:27.520 --> 02:40:31.399 on its own body on this thing. So, and the 2905 02:40:31.479 --> 02:40:33.959 ride is the sketch filter that we ran over that image, 2906 02:40:33.959 --> 02:40:35.840 and you can see the mouth of this thing is 2907 02:40:35.920 --> 02:40:39.520 certainly an insect that I've had zoologists look at this 2908 02:40:39.559 --> 02:40:41.959 thing and they said that it's not any creature that 2909 02:40:42.000 --> 02:40:45.600 they can recognize here on planet Earth. And when I 2910 02:40:45.600 --> 02:40:47.760 told him that and asked me where I got them, 2911 02:40:47.840 --> 02:40:49.040 What did you go to that? I told him on 2912 02:40:49.079 --> 02:40:51.000 the surface of a Ufo. They didn't want to talk 2913 02:40:51.040 --> 02:40:51.840 to me much more. 2914 02:40:52.639 --> 02:40:54.280 I can't imagine. 2915 02:40:55.000 --> 02:40:58.280 All right, let's see it looks before I told him that. 2916 02:41:00.040 --> 02:41:02.680 So it looks like the mantis mantis beings that a 2917 02:41:02.680 --> 02:41:05.479 lot of people kind of describe and talk about. 2918 02:41:06.440 --> 02:41:07.959 Yeah, but you know, it's the arms come out of 2919 02:41:07.959 --> 02:41:09.920 the back of that thing, and it's not like your 2920 02:41:09.959 --> 02:41:12.600 typical mannas here on Earth. The arms come out of 2921 02:41:12.639 --> 02:41:14.719 the back of that thing like a spider man, you know. 2922 02:41:14.840 --> 02:41:18.799 So and this is the This is the picture of 2923 02:41:18.799 --> 02:41:20.760 the disk that approached me from my hiding spot and 2924 02:41:20.840 --> 02:41:23.000 the oil field there. I was hiding between the tanks, 2925 02:41:23.280 --> 02:41:25.840 hiding behind the separator. I had the courage to lean 2926 02:41:25.879 --> 02:41:28.280 out and take one picture. That was That's why you've 2927 02:41:28.280 --> 02:41:32.399 seen that. It was the picture. You can see the disk. 2928 02:41:32.520 --> 02:41:35.879 You can see the window, the port, uh the port, 2929 02:41:35.920 --> 02:41:38.879 whole window, seial opening under the craft. You can see 2930 02:41:38.879 --> 02:41:41.280 the light shining out. You can see the red stretchy light. 2931 02:41:41.559 --> 02:41:44.159 It looked like taffy being stretched. Looked like it with 2932 02:41:44.200 --> 02:41:46.040 the naked eye, just as it did on the on 2933 02:41:46.120 --> 02:41:48.280 the camera footage. Here you can see the edge of 2934 02:41:48.280 --> 02:41:51.600 the disk. It's a good color picture. I mean it's 2935 02:41:51.639 --> 02:41:53.719 not you can't see everything, but it's clear enough to 2936 02:41:53.760 --> 02:41:56.000 be to It backs up my story to what I 2937 02:41:56.000 --> 02:41:57.239 said happened that night. 2938 02:41:58.000 --> 02:42:00.920 Right, Yeah, you got something definitely most more than a 2939 02:42:00.959 --> 02:42:01.840 lot of people get. 2940 02:42:02.360 --> 02:42:04.559 Those red lights had no light source. They just looked 2941 02:42:04.559 --> 02:42:06.559 like they were just stretching outside of the craft. It 2942 02:42:06.639 --> 02:42:09.639 was very odd. May be caused by magnetism or who 2943 02:42:09.680 --> 02:42:12.559 knows why. All right, what have you got here? 2944 02:42:16.840 --> 02:42:16.959 Now? 2945 02:42:17.000 --> 02:42:18.159 What are these running? 2946 02:42:19.079 --> 02:42:21.239 This is a This is another picture of the surface 2947 02:42:21.280 --> 02:42:23.879 of the mothership that's zoomed in that we looking for 2948 02:42:23.920 --> 02:42:26.760 anominalies on the surface of the craft. You're basically getting 2949 02:42:26.799 --> 02:42:30.159 taken aboard the UFO mothership looking at the top of it. 2950 02:42:30.200 --> 02:42:32.799 This big thing right here is hiding up there. And 2951 02:42:32.840 --> 02:42:37.600 this thing is is huge. Man, it looks like gewbacco 2952 02:42:37.639 --> 02:42:40.079 on a Star Wars thing. This is. It's big, it's 2953 02:42:40.079 --> 02:42:42.360 got it's got these two eyes that are sticking out 2954 02:42:42.399 --> 02:42:45.360 of it. It's got two arms. And when I poward 2955 02:42:45.440 --> 02:42:47.479 it through the footage to see if the arms mood, 2956 02:42:47.520 --> 02:42:51.280 one of the arms actually moves, and so I think 2957 02:42:51.559 --> 02:42:54.040 there's no doubt in my mind that this thing has 2958 02:42:54.079 --> 02:42:57.719 two arms. And it's big, huge tobacco looking things sitting 2959 02:42:57.719 --> 02:43:00.440 on the surface of this craft. And this craft is 2960 02:43:00.440 --> 02:43:03.280 flying through the air like a jet, and it's got 2961 02:43:03.280 --> 02:43:05.680 these creatures on top of the surface of which which 2962 02:43:06.000 --> 02:43:07.920 that would be the equivalent to one of us riding 2963 02:43:07.959 --> 02:43:09.840 on the wing of a seven forty seven in flight, 2964 02:43:10.559 --> 02:43:13.000 which shows you they have more technology than we do 2965 02:43:13.079 --> 02:43:14.760 if they can run around on the surface of the 2966 02:43:14.760 --> 02:43:17.200 craft at that speed without being messed with. 2967 02:43:18.360 --> 02:43:22.000 It's interesting, Ronnie, because these beans almost look as big 2968 02:43:22.280 --> 02:43:25.239 as the actual surface of the craft, right, am I 2969 02:43:25.280 --> 02:43:26.600 am I looking at it correctly. 2970 02:43:27.600 --> 02:43:30.159 Yeah, they're absolutely huge. I mean that thing may be 2971 02:43:30.200 --> 02:43:32.920 as big as a house. Who knows. I mean, when 2972 02:43:32.920 --> 02:43:34.719 you're at the size of a house, how could you 2973 02:43:34.760 --> 02:43:39.159 be anywhere else but on the surface of it. And 2974 02:43:39.239 --> 02:43:41.920 like I said, these crafts may be interdimensional as opposed 2975 02:43:41.920 --> 02:43:44.319 to flying across the galaxy, so they may not be 2976 02:43:44.399 --> 02:43:46.159 such a long trip form. They may just have to 2977 02:43:46.200 --> 02:43:49.440 fly through a dimensional gateway, a stargate or something. 2978 02:43:49.520 --> 02:43:52.600 So, now, what is this other one that I just 2979 02:43:52.600 --> 02:43:53.319 pulled up here? 2980 02:43:54.680 --> 02:43:56.719 That that picture there is it's the left half of 2981 02:43:56.719 --> 02:44:01.719 the mothership as it came in. They were asked me 2982 02:44:01.719 --> 02:44:03.760 at one point to find the starfield behind it, to 2983 02:44:03.799 --> 02:44:06.159 prove the size of it, to prove that I was 2984 02:44:06.200 --> 02:44:08.719 actually in the location I was at, looking in the 2985 02:44:08.719 --> 02:44:10.639 direction I said, I was looking at the tom I 2986 02:44:10.760 --> 02:44:13.680 was looking. And the star field pattern tells a lot 2987 02:44:13.719 --> 02:44:16.200 about when and where and the size of the craft 2988 02:44:16.479 --> 02:44:19.040 without having to have pictures of houses and trees and 2989 02:44:19.079 --> 02:44:21.799 stuff like that in the background. And uh so we 2990 02:44:21.840 --> 02:44:25.879 analyzed still the video is steal frame footage until I 2991 02:44:25.920 --> 02:44:29.840 found the starfield pattern in the actual UFO footage. And 2992 02:44:29.920 --> 02:44:35.000 I was asked to do this by astrology professor and uh, 2993 02:44:35.120 --> 02:44:36.799 and I was able to pull it off. So we 2994 02:44:37.120 --> 02:44:39.200 did find the starfield pattern behind it, and it did 2995 02:44:39.319 --> 02:44:42.079 match up to the location, time and direction I was looking. 2996 02:44:42.479 --> 02:44:46.159 And it does testify that this craft is indeed huge 2997 02:44:46.440 --> 02:44:50.600 and in the Texas sky. That's cool, all right. What 2998 02:44:50.680 --> 02:44:51.760 do we have next here? 2999 02:44:53.040 --> 02:44:53.319 M H. 3000 02:44:55.399 --> 02:44:59.000 Shadow it's another uh, part of the. 3001 02:44:58.639 --> 02:45:01.319 That we saw. Yeah, this is a zoomed in picture 3002 02:45:01.319 --> 02:45:03.319 of the an insect too it and and and the 3003 02:45:03.360 --> 02:45:05.760 high lights of the shadow of the arm that stretched 3004 02:45:06.239 --> 02:45:08.479 across it. You can see the shadow on its body 3005 02:45:08.879 --> 02:45:11.159 and the direction consists of with the light that shining 3006 02:45:11.280 --> 02:45:16.840 on it. And while this is not a great footage, 3007 02:45:16.840 --> 02:45:20.920 it's good enough to be freaking amazing. I mean, you know, 3008 02:45:21.959 --> 02:45:25.159 they don't have to be great. I mean, you know. 3009 02:45:27.719 --> 02:45:30.159 Right well, the fact that you got anything. Most people can't, 3010 02:45:30.200 --> 02:45:33.520 you know, aren't getting the footage at all. But you 3011 02:45:33.559 --> 02:45:34.840 know you're getting something here. 3012 02:45:35.840 --> 02:45:38.920 This this picture here is a some of the anomaly 3013 02:45:39.399 --> 02:45:43.040 light anomalies that were appearing over the old field that 3014 02:45:43.040 --> 02:45:44.840 that I had caught. I got a picture of one 3015 02:45:44.879 --> 02:45:46.920 of them. It was pretty close. And this is a 3016 02:45:47.040 --> 02:45:50.520 zoomed in close up of what the light actually is. 3017 02:45:51.280 --> 02:45:53.319 It looks like a light shining out of something God 3018 02:45:53.479 --> 02:45:56.159 only knows. We never I have never figured out exactly 3019 02:45:56.200 --> 02:45:59.639 what the story is behind these mysterious lights that to 3020 02:45:59.680 --> 02:46:02.719 this up here all over the world as well as 3021 02:46:02.760 --> 02:46:07.840 here in Texas. Right, all right, what do we have here? 3022 02:46:08.159 --> 02:46:11.520 Another picture of the insectoid. That's that's one of the 3023 02:46:11.559 --> 02:46:13.559 pictures that shows a good portion of the craft. That 3024 02:46:13.559 --> 02:46:15.200 that light you see on the right is on a 3025 02:46:15.280 --> 02:46:18.639 tier of the is towering above the V shaped craft. 3026 02:46:19.239 --> 02:46:21.840 It's almost like in the center of the V. And 3027 02:46:22.159 --> 02:46:23.959 you're looking at a good stretch of the left hand 3028 02:46:24.079 --> 02:46:26.920 side of the craft. So everything you're seeing the cover 3029 02:46:27.079 --> 02:46:30.120 of like several probably one hundred yards or more of 3030 02:46:30.239 --> 02:46:33.319 craft surface. So you can see that the size of 3031 02:46:33.360 --> 02:46:37.159 that that and then in sectordy in the background is huge. 3032 02:46:37.239 --> 02:46:39.239 You can see that that light in front of it 3033 02:46:39.280 --> 02:46:41.079 is a row of burning flares that I had told 3034 02:46:41.079 --> 02:46:44.079 you about that are shooting jetting flares out like some 3035 02:46:44.200 --> 02:46:48.440 kind of refining process going on. Right, And that light 3036 02:46:48.520 --> 02:46:50.680 that's on the right there, I couldn't tell if it 3037 02:46:50.719 --> 02:46:52.959 was sitting on a tar and rising high above the craft, 3038 02:46:53.000 --> 02:46:55.360 or if it was actually suspended above the craftlet But 3039 02:46:55.399 --> 02:46:58.200 it did have these blue flooress and glowing power lines 3040 02:46:58.559 --> 02:47:01.760 that stretched from it down to the craft's surface. So 3041 02:47:01.799 --> 02:47:03.079 I don't know if it was sitting on the tar 3042 02:47:03.399 --> 02:47:06.079 or if it was actually flying itself above the craft 3043 02:47:06.200 --> 02:47:07.440 while the craft was in flying. 3044 02:47:08.760 --> 02:47:11.920 Interesting, let's go to the next. 3045 02:47:12.680 --> 02:47:14.840 There have to be some kind of like forest field 3046 02:47:14.959 --> 02:47:20.159 or some kind of gravity system on these craft, right, 3047 02:47:20.200 --> 02:47:24.799 They couldn't just be, you know, while of gugging around 3048 02:47:24.840 --> 02:47:27.440 on the surface of a craft and not fall off. 3049 02:47:27.280 --> 02:47:32.239 Right, Absolutely, yeah, and you know, and and this this 3050 02:47:32.280 --> 02:47:35.200 is the blue alien lady. She had the short black hair, 3051 02:47:35.399 --> 02:47:37.479 She had a ruby on her left cheek, She had 3052 02:47:37.479 --> 02:47:39.399 like a diamond in her forehead, She had like a 3053 02:47:39.440 --> 02:47:42.680 tattoo on her right cheek, and she was wearing like 3054 02:47:42.760 --> 02:47:47.559 the exercise shirt that they found they love from our World. 3055 02:47:47.799 --> 02:47:49.920 I got really up close to her eyes, and I 3056 02:47:49.959 --> 02:47:51.680 looked at her eyes and it pricked her out, and 3057 02:47:52.159 --> 02:47:55.280 she told me, she said that, she said, what are 3058 02:47:55.280 --> 02:47:56.520 you doing? I said, I just want to get a 3059 02:47:56.520 --> 02:47:58.120 good look in your eyes that were huge in blue 3060 02:47:58.200 --> 02:48:00.520 and you almost couldn't see any white in them. There 3061 02:48:00.520 --> 02:48:03.120 were white specs in them, and I said, I just 3062 02:48:03.120 --> 02:48:04.399 want to get a good look at your eyes. And 3063 02:48:04.399 --> 02:48:06.600 she said, tell people of your world when we make 3064 02:48:07.040 --> 02:48:10.200 when we make contact, she said, all that we asked 3065 02:48:10.639 --> 02:48:14.840 is that there be no physical contact without a request 3066 02:48:15.000 --> 02:48:18.040 and a and a response of approval. And she said, 3067 02:48:18.079 --> 02:48:20.120 tell the people of your world that. So when when 3068 02:48:20.120 --> 02:48:22.360 she told me that, I knew that it wasn't I 3069 02:48:22.399 --> 02:48:25.920 wasn't tasked with keeping the keeping it secret that I 3070 02:48:26.079 --> 02:48:28.040 was talking to these guys, and it seemed like they 3071 02:48:28.079 --> 02:48:33.360 were establishing a rule of conduct contact. It sounds like me, 3072 02:48:36.280 --> 02:48:42.719 all right, what do we have here? And it makes 3073 02:48:42.719 --> 02:48:47.079 sense that that would be a first rule of contact, right, because. 3074 02:48:49.200 --> 02:48:50.879 What are we looking at here? What's in this one? 3075 02:48:51.440 --> 02:48:53.879 Now, this is another creature that was spotted on the 3076 02:48:53.879 --> 02:48:57.280 surface of the of the mothership by actually a YouTuber 3077 02:48:57.440 --> 02:48:59.520 pointed it out to me. I hadn't even found it, 3078 02:48:59.760 --> 02:49:02.159 and I researched it and looked at it. And this 3079 02:49:02.239 --> 02:49:05.000 thing looks like a dog like creature. And you can 3080 02:49:05.000 --> 02:49:07.280 see the muscles in its legs. You can see it's 3081 02:49:07.280 --> 02:49:11.280 got a flat face, it's got horns on it, and uh, 3082 02:49:11.440 --> 02:49:14.040 it looks like a dog, dog like creature with horns 3083 02:49:14.280 --> 02:49:16.520 and uh. And the more you look at it, the 3084 02:49:16.559 --> 02:49:18.959 clear it gets. And I'm like, there's a there's another 3085 02:49:19.040 --> 02:49:20.920 creature that's right on the surface of this thing. Like 3086 02:49:20.959 --> 02:49:23.200 I said, I can't tell you for sure if these 3087 02:49:23.239 --> 02:49:26.760 are statues or if these are actual creatures, or if 3088 02:49:26.799 --> 02:49:31.840 these are biological machines. I have no idea, but I 3089 02:49:31.840 --> 02:49:33.799 know they're on the surface of the UFO and there 3090 02:49:34.000 --> 02:49:39.680 and they worthy of investigation. And here's your lovely this 3091 02:49:39.760 --> 02:49:42.280 is this is the cat lady after she's taken her 3092 02:49:42.280 --> 02:49:46.079 clothes off, and you can see the stripes. She had 3093 02:49:46.120 --> 02:49:48.360 these beautiful stripes all up and down her body. She 3094 02:49:48.399 --> 02:49:51.440 had a she had a like a like a like 3095 02:49:51.479 --> 02:49:53.920 a felt fur, like a light fur. She had that 3096 02:49:54.079 --> 02:49:57.040 long tail, long whipping tail like a line I have. 3097 02:49:57.639 --> 02:49:59.760 She had pads on the palm of her hands even 3098 02:49:59.799 --> 02:50:03.239 betwe in her digits, and on her breast it was 3099 02:50:03.280 --> 02:50:05.079 like she turned back to flesh. That was the only 3100 02:50:05.079 --> 02:50:07.559 part of everybody besides her face that I actually saw 3101 02:50:07.840 --> 02:50:10.760 that looked like human flesh was on her breast and 3102 02:50:10.799 --> 02:50:11.440 on her face. 3103 02:50:12.520 --> 02:50:17.239 Wow, that is super interesting. I think I have one 3104 02:50:17.280 --> 02:50:19.680 more video that I might have to pull up through 3105 02:50:19.840 --> 02:50:25.959 messenger here. Uh, this one doesn't want to play. It's 3106 02:50:26.000 --> 02:50:26.479 not playing. 3107 02:50:27.719 --> 02:50:28.319 Let's see. 3108 02:50:28.399 --> 02:50:30.399 Well, Ronnie, if you can send me that last video 3109 02:50:30.440 --> 02:50:32.719 through email, what I'll do is I can post it 3110 02:50:32.799 --> 02:50:36.680 up at the end of this this show here, so 3111 02:50:36.719 --> 02:50:38.879 everybody can see what's going on in that one. 3112 02:50:39.239 --> 02:50:42.479 But man, that was just the original footage of the 3113 02:50:42.559 --> 02:50:45.239 mothership that I captured. I mean it was the left 3114 02:50:45.239 --> 02:50:48.079 half of a giant mothership flying through the Texas sky. 3115 02:50:48.440 --> 02:50:50.799 Yeah, you're gonna have to definitely email me that because 3116 02:50:50.799 --> 02:50:52.440 I want to pop that up at the end of this. 3117 02:50:53.360 --> 02:50:56.399 Like I said, these pictures are duplicatable. Anybody can take 3118 02:50:56.440 --> 02:50:58.959 that original footage. They can. They can get the still 3119 02:50:59.040 --> 02:51:01.840 frame images, can clean it up and brighten it up 3120 02:51:01.959 --> 02:51:04.120 and do everything I did to get the same stuff 3121 02:51:04.120 --> 02:51:07.040 that I found. I have no special talent in pulling 3122 02:51:07.120 --> 02:51:09.559 out for creatures and stuff. It's all right there, and 3123 02:51:09.639 --> 02:51:11.799 that video has been looked at. I've been if i'd 3124 02:51:11.840 --> 02:51:14.959 have been picked anything, I've been called out a decade ago. Yeah, 3125 02:51:15.079 --> 02:51:17.360 they know what camera I use, they know what software 3126 02:51:17.440 --> 02:51:19.399 I use, and know what degree I've brightened it. They've 3127 02:51:19.440 --> 02:51:22.920 told me everything I've done to the images, and I 3128 02:51:22.920 --> 02:51:26.319 don't even know how to use photoshop, couldn't even pretend 3129 02:51:26.399 --> 02:51:28.879 to know how to make something like it. Right. 3130 02:51:29.280 --> 02:51:32.440 Well, yeah, it's definitely some interesting footage. I'm gonna get 3131 02:51:32.479 --> 02:51:34.559 that video up. I think I should be able to 3132 02:51:34.799 --> 02:51:36.479 pull it from my messenger and put it at the 3133 02:51:36.559 --> 02:51:39.559 end of the podcast here. But Ronnie, you had some 3134 02:51:39.680 --> 02:51:42.520 fascinating events. I know that there's a lot more that 3135 02:51:42.559 --> 02:51:44.360 we could talk about, so I'd love to have you 3136 02:51:44.399 --> 02:51:46.840 back on in the future before we close out. Is 3137 02:51:46.879 --> 02:51:49.639 there any any other final questions that you'd like to 3138 02:51:49.639 --> 02:51:50.120 ask writer? 3139 02:51:51.920 --> 02:51:55.600 No, Ronnie, thank you for sharing your experiences. Brother, I 3140 02:51:55.639 --> 02:51:59.479 really appreciate that. It was a fascinating conversation. And thank 3141 02:51:59.520 --> 02:52:01.440 you so much Chris for having me on here to. 3142 02:52:01.600 --> 02:52:02.440 Co host with you. 3143 02:52:02.600 --> 02:52:07.120 I really appreciate it, and uh wish everybody, uh wish 3144 02:52:07.159 --> 02:52:10.840 everyone the best and keep keep putting your work out here. Ronnie. 3145 02:52:10.840 --> 02:52:13.159 This is how we uh, this is how we do this, 3146 02:52:13.319 --> 02:52:15.920 you know, this is how we disclose the information. Disclosure 3147 02:52:16.000 --> 02:52:19.360 is from us. You know, it's not from uh the 3148 02:52:19.360 --> 02:52:23.760 government or the media. They can't they can they can 3149 02:52:23.760 --> 02:52:27.079 feed us certain information, but the real stuff that that 3150 02:52:27.159 --> 02:52:30.520 we want is coming from the people and I appreciate 3151 02:52:30.600 --> 02:52:33.159 you being willing to come out here and share your 3152 02:52:33.200 --> 02:52:35.319 story with us and with Chris's audience. 3153 02:52:35.479 --> 02:52:36.280 I appreciate you a. 3154 02:52:36.280 --> 02:52:41.840 Lot, definitely. So uh yeah, Ronnie, before we close out, 3155 02:52:41.920 --> 02:52:44.440 let everyone know where they can find you. 3156 02:52:44.479 --> 02:52:45.760 Know, your your book. 3157 02:52:45.520 --> 02:52:46.120 All your. 3158 02:52:47.440 --> 02:52:51.360 The the Amazon show everything like that. 3159 02:52:52.959 --> 02:52:55.040 Yeah. Like I said that, I put everything in a 3160 02:52:55.040 --> 02:52:57.120 book in case something happened to it. Still say the 3161 02:52:57.159 --> 02:52:59.680 story wouldn't die with me. It's called The Ronnie Dawson 3162 02:52:59.680 --> 02:53:02.600 You Have Story. It's on Barnes and Noble, It's on Amazon, 3163 02:53:03.200 --> 02:53:04.440 and I think you could buy it at one point 3164 02:53:04.479 --> 02:53:08.040 at Walmart. Even so, the book is out there and 3165 02:53:08.079 --> 02:53:09.719 it's got some of the pictures and stuff in it. 3166 02:53:10.319 --> 02:53:13.200 And I've got a Roddy Dawson YouTube channel that that 3167 02:53:13.280 --> 02:53:15.639 has a lot of my videos and footage that I've 3168 02:53:16.120 --> 02:53:20.760 posted there. And I've got stuff on Minger that even 3169 02:53:20.760 --> 02:53:22.680 the debunkers asked me to post it there so they 3170 02:53:22.680 --> 02:53:25.319 can blow it up and check it for faults and 3171 02:53:25.360 --> 02:53:28.360 stuff like that. So I've got it on amdur that 3172 02:53:28.479 --> 02:53:30.639 you can just you can type up. You can look 3173 02:53:30.680 --> 02:53:34.399 and google Ronnie Dawson UFO picks and it will show 3174 02:53:34.399 --> 02:53:38.840 you tons of pictures and that I'm captured there without 3175 02:53:38.879 --> 02:53:41.600 you haven't open any risky websites or anything like that up. 3176 02:53:41.639 --> 02:53:44.760 So it's like I said, at times, I didn't want 3177 02:53:44.760 --> 02:53:47.840 to tell anybody, but after I made contact with these people, 3178 02:53:47.840 --> 02:53:49.120 now I kind of feel like I have a duty 3179 02:53:49.120 --> 02:53:50.920 to tell people. Do you have a right to know? 3180 02:53:51.520 --> 02:53:53.399 I need to put my pride and ego and all 3181 02:53:53.479 --> 02:53:56.920 that crap aside, stand up for humanity and the truth 3182 02:53:57.399 --> 02:53:59.440 and just hit it out there, whether it no matter 3183 02:53:59.440 --> 02:54:01.719 whether chips. I'm a gud, I wear my life on 3184 02:54:01.840 --> 02:54:04.079 my sleep in my shirt, and I don't pretend to 3185 02:54:04.120 --> 02:54:06.399 be anything I'm not, and what you see is real. 3186 02:54:06.520 --> 02:54:08.200 I got no reason to pull anyone. 3187 02:54:08.760 --> 02:54:13.319 That's Greatnie, Yeah, man, there it is. Thank you so much. 3188 02:54:13.360 --> 02:54:15.520 Thank you for sharing this story with us. I think 3189 02:54:15.520 --> 02:54:18.879 it's very important for people to hear this so they 3190 02:54:18.879 --> 02:54:23.079 can understand what these experiences are like, in that our 3191 02:54:23.159 --> 02:54:28.680 reality is much more fantastic than most people think. Also, writer, 3192 02:54:28.920 --> 02:54:30.920 let everybody know about Raised by Giants where they can 3193 02:54:31.000 --> 02:54:32.799 find your show before we head out as well. 3194 02:54:34.040 --> 02:54:40.239 Yes, Raised by Giants on YouTube. I interview people much 3195 02:54:40.319 --> 02:54:42.799 like Chris does once a week on Tuesdays at six 3196 02:54:42.879 --> 02:54:46.520 pm PST. You can also find me on Facebook a 3197 02:54:46.600 --> 02:54:49.360 writerly you can like Raised by Giants on Facebook as 3198 02:54:49.399 --> 02:54:54.639 well on Instagram as raised by Giants pod. And again, 3199 02:54:54.879 --> 02:54:59.399 thank both of you, gentlemen so much, and please support 3200 02:55:00.440 --> 02:55:03.879 work and support Chris's work is too. That's how we 3201 02:55:04.719 --> 02:55:07.520 get through all the censorship and everything that's happening on 3202 02:55:07.559 --> 02:55:10.319 these platforms is we have to comment, we have to 3203 02:55:10.319 --> 02:55:16.079 get interaction, we have to get thumbs up. Just support, support, support, support, 3204 02:55:16.159 --> 02:55:17.799 and thank you guys so much. 3205 02:55:18.200 --> 02:55:21.639 All right, thank you so much, writer, and thank you Ronnie. 3206 02:55:22.040 --> 02:55:23.559 Like I said, Ronnie, we'd love to have you back 3207 02:55:23.559 --> 02:55:26.879 onto the future. And until next time, everyone, have an 3208 02:55:26.879 --> 02:55:40.879 excellent evening. We'll see again zoon. 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