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<v Speaker 1>Frost by the Vigo. Here's some of his favorite interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>It is another edition of American history on the radio

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<v Speaker 1>on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW, Gary Jeff Walker.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, over the past months, even over the last

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<v Speaker 1>year or so, I have been interviewing people in this

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<v Speaker 1>profession who work in the business that I do because

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<v Speaker 1>I respect them and their reputations in their careers speak

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<v Speaker 1>for themselves. But tonight I am letting them speak for

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<v Speaker 1>themselves once again. And our guest in the spotlight is

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<v Speaker 1>the one, the only, Eddie Fingers, who was a co

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon host here on seven hundred WLW, but for years

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<v Speaker 1>was the captain in chief of what was called the

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<v Speaker 1>Dawn Patrol on web and Eddie Fingers, welcome to the Nightcap.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to finally get you. It's great man. I've

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to add here for a long time. I had

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<v Speaker 1>your partner, Rocky Boyman on a while ago, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy who's got oh Jam milk an hour out of

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<v Speaker 2>that guy. He's been on radio for about ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>But I combined that with his football career there you go,

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<v Speaker 1>and his current football you know, career and everything he

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<v Speaker 1>has does his political career, So there were lots there

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<v Speaker 1>was lots of material fodder there with Rocky, but with you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just enormous. We could sit down for probably two

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<v Speaker 1>or three hours. You said, before we sat down for this,

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<v Speaker 1>you were on the phone with one of your perpetrators

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<v Speaker 1>at the Dawn Patrol, Bob Berry producer.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob we all keep in touch yet, Bob the producer,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that guy. Well, look, you know him as

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<v Speaker 2>well as anyone you work with, the bush and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a different cat.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>What could you say? I don't know what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>species he is, whether it's a cat or something else,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's definitely different. And he was screwed up before

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<v Speaker 1>he fell and hit his head, roll hard at Symphony

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<v Speaker 1>Home big time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I want to go back. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>start with where it started for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you, man, when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I had I think I was in third fourth grade

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<v Speaker 2>and it was my birthday and my mom's like, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you want? And I said, I like a tape recorder,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I I just wanted to fidget with it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And uh, I never thought about getting into

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<v Speaker 2>this as a as a career but I played with

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<v Speaker 2>and I've still gotta I guarantee you, if I dug

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<v Speaker 2>hard enough, I could come up with some of those

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<v Speaker 2>tapes me interviewing my grandma.

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<v Speaker 1>They were totally they were totally disintegrated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet I would guess they probably have but if I

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<v Speaker 2>could find them right exactly, you interviewed your grandma When

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<v Speaker 2>I was like eight, I recalled doing that, and uh

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<v Speaker 2>and it which is something. And my brother, my brother

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<v Speaker 2>and I would pretend we were just shockeys, and we

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<v Speaker 2>would the DJ was on Wing Radio and Dayton Top

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<v Speaker 2>forty and uh, so the DJ would be talking up

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember who it was? Who the DJ was?

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<v Speaker 2>The mojo man, Steve Kirk, oh Casey Petrowski.

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<v Speaker 1>I worked with Kirk. Well, he was actually retired when

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<v Speaker 1>I worked in Dayton for the ten months I did

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<v Speaker 1>before I came here, and was one of the coolest

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<v Speaker 1>dudes I ever met and one of the guys that

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<v Speaker 1>was instrumental in bringing the Beatles to the area. But anyway, so.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was it, you know, And but we would

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<v Speaker 2>we would let them talk over the beginning of the song.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be in the background, so we'd be talking up

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<v Speaker 2>the record and then try to hit the post and

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<v Speaker 2>hold the hold the microphone up to the radio and

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<v Speaker 2>play I want to hold your hand or whatever that one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what is synonymous And almost all of these

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<v Speaker 1>interviews that I've done for this particular topic, Eddie, is

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<v Speaker 1>that all of us either did that with tape recorders

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<v Speaker 1>or built our own little radio stations that maybe went

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred feet to whatever John records Land Decker's shotgun time.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it when I was like twelve years old.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in this special education class for good kids

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<v Speaker 1>who'd gotten a's through the year in summer school, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the projects was building your own FM transmitter. Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>But everybody that I've talked to who's a lifer in

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<v Speaker 1>this business started out doing exactly what you just said.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing, yeah, And it was just something that, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, me and my brother and I just thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was fun and cool. Never in a million years

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<v Speaker 2>thought I could do this. I mean, I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>blue collar. I know, I'm sure you did as well,

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<v Speaker 2>blue collar. Like Kamala Harris came from a middle class family.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. I don't know, I think we were

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<v Speaker 1>middle middle class. I mean boom. You can't get more

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<v Speaker 1>middle class.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, you know, my parents both worked for GM

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<v Speaker 2>and Dayton, which was a giant gmtown back then it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you could get a good GM job, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you were set the pension, get your thirty one out

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<v Speaker 2>and retire at fifty five. And and I had done

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<v Speaker 2>well in school and stuff, so they wanted me to

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<v Speaker 2>go to college.

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<v Speaker 1>No idea what I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, this is sad to say, man, but I

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I'm going to go to pre med at

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State and be a dentist because I thought, how

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<v Speaker 2>hard can that be?

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<v Speaker 1>You really thought, dude, I was seventeen years was an

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<v Speaker 1>easy path.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, seventeen by easy path to wealth. I'm like, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>so what you looked? People said, Okay, that needs philled,

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<v Speaker 2>come over here and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, actually, Anie, I need some work done. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>help me?

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<v Speaker 2>Fortunately I did. I didn't pursue that path. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>I a girl I went out with a high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Her brother was friends with a guy from ud who

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<v Speaker 2>they had a radio station back there in wvu D,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where I ended up working. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, guy who's on the radio that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And I go home and tell my mom and dad he, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>remember the dentist thing, scotch ned, I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>a disc jockey.

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<v Speaker 1>How did they react? How did they react? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you think?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>They were, well, my dad was like he looked at

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<v Speaker 2>me like I've grown another head.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, you're going to do what now? And

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<v Speaker 1>my mom was like, let him do whatever he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>he can do. Blah blah blah blah blah. So mom

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<v Speaker 1>was on your side.

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<v Speaker 2>Mom was on my side because what they both my parents,

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<v Speaker 2>they never finished high school. So the fact that I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to go to college, they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he must know what he's what he's doing, because he's smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough to go to college. Yeah. Well, obviously all parents

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<v Speaker 1>always want their kids to be better than they were

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<v Speaker 1>and right, so sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So then I because I thought, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>you felt about it when you were a kid, but

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<v Speaker 2>I thought radio announcers, TV stars, movie stars and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought they came from a special they grew on someplace.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we're definitely special people. At me, there's no you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm not special. What the hell those

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<v Speaker 2>guys are good?

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<v Speaker 4>My god?

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<v Speaker 1>There I'm mute. I've known you for thirty years. You're

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<v Speaker 1>definitely special.

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<v Speaker 2>Special at I've heard that a lot anyway. But anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>so I go to school the UD And here's how

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<v Speaker 2>dumb I was. I didn't even know that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up in Dayton. I didn't know that the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Dayton was a Catholic university.

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<v Speaker 1>That meant nothing to me. The Jesuits must have loved

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<v Speaker 1>you absolutely, and I go and so, you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>first week of school, I was living at home and

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<v Speaker 1>my Mom's like, so, WHOA, what's it like there? And

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<v Speaker 1>I said, what was kind of cool because there's all

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<v Speaker 1>these priests and nuns that are coming back and apparently

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<v Speaker 1>advancing their education. And well, I was talking to one

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<v Speaker 1>of the one of my friends at.

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<v Speaker 2>School, and he goes, dude, you do know this is

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic university And I said, I don't even.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what that means. So you're on wv U D.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they have. I was like, they have a radio station.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I care about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wasn't yet, because I the first day I

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<v Speaker 2>walked in there and it's like, you know, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to work your way into it. Sure, I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't have been second day of school, and and I

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<v Speaker 2>walked into the office and like, when do I start?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here, I'm here, the one you've been waiting for.

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<v Speaker 2>I am now entertained me and they were like, okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I ended up working at a carrier current

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<v Speaker 2>station w SB and for you know what I carry, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah you do. But for people who don't, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just on the campus, right, you had to have your

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<v Speaker 2>radio plugged in. It came through the outlet, your sawl

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<v Speaker 2>outlet exactly. And I was doing one to three in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning one Sunday morning, and that's where it all started.

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<v Speaker 1>They gave you the prime shift, right, I know, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how I'm going kicking ass man. So when did

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<v Speaker 1>did this evolve into an actual career?

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<v Speaker 3>Then?

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<v Speaker 1>How long were you there? And what was your first

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<v Speaker 1>professional paid job.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have I worked at View after I got

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<v Speaker 2>on VUD. Eventually I worked there for two years and

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<v Speaker 2>then I got hired at SAIFM here in town, which

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<v Speaker 2>is ninety four to one. I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 2>that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it an album rock station? At the time, it

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<v Speaker 1>was ebn's competitor. What year is this seventy nine, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, the year I graduated high school, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They I first came in just as part time filling.

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<v Speaker 2>I was working at a record store to fill in

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<v Speaker 2>the gap, living with my girlfriend, who, thank god, got

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<v Speaker 2>a job as a dental hygienist.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, you still had that dental connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, maybe it was one of attracted me to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I did that for a little bit. Then

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<v Speaker 2>they fired the production director and said can you do production?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was did you have any idea? No, what productions?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I had done stuff, you know, I cut

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<v Speaker 2>tape and stuff in college.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. This is another thing that people don't understand today

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<v Speaker 1>with all the technology we have at it is that

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day when we started, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>reel to reel machine. There was a splicing block, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a grease pencil, and there was splicing tape. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's how you did edits, and that's how you put

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<v Speaker 1>commercials together. You got your razor blade and the way

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<v Speaker 1>you went unless you were good enough to be a

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<v Speaker 1>one take jake all the time, or you weren't editing

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<v Speaker 2>And they said they were eliminating the position. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure about that long story. They were eliminating you, they

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<v Speaker 2>luckily I got a job at a production agency ad

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<v Speaker 1>Success everywhere he walks ladies and gentlemen. Now I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you, and I know most people believe, and

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<v Speaker 1>it may be true, that your name is actually Eddie Fingers.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did Eddie Fingers come from? Because I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Cleveland and the guy uh was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't really like your real name. I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he said you got a name and I said no.

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<v Speaker 2>So he calls me a couple of days later and said,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we got two names for you, Eddie Fingers

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<v Speaker 2>or Woody Fingers. Yeah, that's what That's exactly my reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like Pinocchio's brother or some such. So how

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<v Speaker 2>Before you came this was after the agency closed. I

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<v Speaker 2>months and then I got a call from Cleveland or O.

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<v Speaker 2>if you can get my my job. So I went

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<v Speaker 2>to Cleveland, worked for about five or six months, and

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<v Speaker 2>called Cells and I answered the phone because I was

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<v Speaker 2>wants to leave Cleveland, and I said, well, you know

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<v Speaker 2>I'm available. Just basically said, had you known Mike this point? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we went to college together at u D.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay, and so you've heard that Christmas story too

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<v Speaker 1>many damn times.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely, go ahead, No, but that was it, and

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<v Speaker 2>uh so move back down here. And he he said,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you going to do about your name? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I was only I was doing production and I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to do a couple hours on the air a day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, I think I want to go back

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<v Speaker 2>to my real name. And he said, man, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>keep the Eddie Fingers thing. Nobody else is doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>What's a cool air name?

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. So where was this that you ninety

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<v Speaker 1>six rock? At ninety six Rock? And that sets up

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<v Speaker 1>the radio wars of the nineteen eighties. Perfect and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect time for us to go ahead and take

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<v Speaker 1>our first break. Excellent. We have another segment with Eddie

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Nightcap American History on the radio, Eddie Fingers

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<v Speaker 1>in the Spotlight tonight on seven hundred WLW. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>missed one of our shows because your Karate Sinse has

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast of our shows and here what you miss

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<v Speaker 1>check them out on the iHeartRadio. Ass child abuse is

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<v Speaker 1>not about parents.

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<v Speaker 7>Twelve hour shift watching the salt Pile. Here's another one

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<v Speaker 1>When we last left Eddie Fingers and the story of

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<v Speaker 1>his radio life, we were at ninety six Rock. Eddie Fingers,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back into American History on the radio and the nightcap.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you're at ninety six rock what year is this?

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<v Speaker 1>This is eighty one, eighty May of eighty two, eighty two, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and McConnell was running the place. Al Sells came.

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<v Speaker 2>McConnell's then wife, Mary Cuzon was doing mornings and she

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<v Speaker 2>was pregnant, and I was doing production and night I

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<v Speaker 2>think noon to two, just kind of ice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the midday Guy production happened a lot back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, and so that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>That lasted for about a month, and Mary, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>was pregnant and she was out walking her dog and

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<v Speaker 2>another dog and long story, but basically a dog tackled

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<v Speaker 2>her and blew up her knee. Oh she's like five

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<v Speaker 2>months pregnanty and just ran right through her leg, absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>destroyed it. And so McConnell comes to me and he's like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I need you to cover the morning show. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>when I was young and dumb, and I haven't learned

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<v Speaker 2>much since. But he he goes, just fill in for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days for me, Man, I really need you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll cover your show in the afternoon. I was like, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to bet about that time getting up at six,

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, so you're doing mornings at ninety six Rock and

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<v Speaker 1>then what happened to lure you to WEBN and the

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<v Speaker 1>down of the troll? Like I said, the radio wars

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<v Speaker 1>of the nineteen eighties in Cincinnati and well you guys,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I did the show by myself for two or

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<v Speaker 2>three months, I think, and I wanted off, and McConnell

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<v Speaker 2>by that time m one O five, where I'd worked

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<v Speaker 2>in Cleveland, had disbanded and they went contry or hell,

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<v Speaker 2>I forget what they did. And so the morning guy there,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Marty Sobel who became Marty Bender, was

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<v Speaker 2>him for a little bit. You is going there and

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<v Speaker 2>be his partner for a little bit and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>go back to the way it was. And I said fine.

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<v Speaker 2>So Marty and I started working together and it jelled

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<v Speaker 2>in a jailed Yeah, well I've always said that Marty

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much, I didn't know how to do mornings, and

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<v Speaker 2>Marty pretty much I just learned from watching how to

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<v Speaker 2>handle all of it. Then we were doing all these

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<v Speaker 2>helicopter traffic, which was cool. We had Mad Dog Mike

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<v Speaker 2>and John Phillips and and those guys. They became characters

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. And Marty and I. He'd basically he

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<v Speaker 2>had a weird sensibility about him. So he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I got this idea, let's do this thing, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna improv the whole thing. And I was like, okay, fun,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds fun, and that's and that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What we did.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that lasted for three years, and I foolishly

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to get into programming. I wanted to be program

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<v Speaker 2>director of the Radius. Yeah, that's a bad move, big time,

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<v Speaker 2>big time. And so the program director was fired and

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<v Speaker 2>Marty was much more qualified to do it than me,

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<v Speaker 2>and it pissed me off that they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>give him the job over me. And it was about

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<v Speaker 2>that time that I got a call from bow Wood

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<v Speaker 2>to he tried to hire me to go to Louisville

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<v Speaker 2>to do afternoon Drive and be music director, right, which

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, okay, that's kind of management, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>went down there. I took Mike mcconnall with me and

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<v Speaker 2>we drove around and listened to the radio station, and

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<v Speaker 2>he and I went out to lunch and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the gig, and he said, do you really want to

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<v Speaker 2>make a sideways move to Louisville? I mean, Cincinnati is

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger market. You're kind of you know, you're right on,

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<v Speaker 2>had to go back to Boatwood and say yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>he totally thought he had me. And I said, I'm good,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't want the gig, and he's and

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<v Speaker 2>he was pissed, and I said, uh, I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you ever want me to come over and work with

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<v Speaker 2>your sister in the mornings, I'll be glad to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of months later, boom, it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It happened. And so regardless whether it was Louisville or Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>Bowwood wanted wanted you to work for him. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you eventually did. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted one of us off of the competition because uh,

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<v Speaker 2>bender and fingers were starting to breed.

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<v Speaker 1>Down the Don Patrols neck a little bit. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So you come to work at web N in what

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<v Speaker 1>year is this now? Eighty four eighty August of eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and you already have a set kind of morning show there.

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<v Speaker 1>Robin Wood is there, It's been there, Craig Copp was

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Berry there yet no all right.

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<v Speaker 2>While man Walker was just starting to come into prominence,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh they had Craig Copper brick Bird doing doing

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<v Speaker 2>the news, and yeah, it just kind of took off

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<v Speaker 2>from there. And then I joke, I can't even tell

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<v Speaker 2>there who who is the morning show in Louisville at

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<v Speaker 2>QMF down there? Oh geez, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't think of their names. Yeah, Terry, Terry Miners, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Terry Mine. I forget the other fella's name. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I unfortunately passed. But they did a joke of the

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<v Speaker 2>day and that was both station down there, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>So we started doing joke of the day. Well, he

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<v Speaker 2>he said to one of the females who worked in

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we were.

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<v Speaker 2>Out to lunch one day and she goes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was I was talking to overheard both saying that

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<v Speaker 2>the joke of the day, isn't it cutting it?

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<v Speaker 1>You guys got it's gotta be picked up a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, what do you mean minute? He said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely got this.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could even kind of tell you that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>talk around the edges of the joke, but I can.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh but it was right there, tip to it

426
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<v Speaker 2>over the line. It was probably over the line, but nonetheless,

427
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<v Speaker 2>so the same lady a little uh a little later

428
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<v Speaker 2>on seize me and again at lunch and is like,

429
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<v Speaker 2>he's pissed.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, what right, I just did what he asked me.

431
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<v Speaker 1>I just I just did what he wanted. But the

432
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<v Speaker 1>thing was, he didn't tell you that directly. It was

433
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<v Speaker 1>from a conduit, and it may or may not have

434
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<v Speaker 1>been from bow Well. But the thing is that became

435
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<v Speaker 1>kind of a hallmark. And it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I realized that from again my time of working with

437
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<v Speaker 2>Marty and improving and all that stuff. Sure that the

438
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<v Speaker 2>more and you know that man, the more over top

439
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<v Speaker 2>you are with some stuff like this, go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>We know it, and it's a template for what I

441
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<v Speaker 1>do every Saturday morning. One of the most popular segments

442
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<v Speaker 1>on my show is the what I call Gifts from Wally,

443
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>which is basically a joke of the day and I

444
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<v Speaker 1>a thirty five people are locked in. They know, and

445
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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing. It's that time stamp. It's that benchmark

446
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<v Speaker 1>that people get. Okay, I'm going to tune in for

447
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<v Speaker 1>this and it really works. Appointment radio really works. Your

448
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<v Speaker 1>first fireworks, your first TB in fireworks, Tell me about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the first the first time I announced it. The

450
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<v Speaker 2>first couple of years, I mean I wasn't I wasn't

451
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<v Speaker 2>allowed on the area yet. I was getting sued by

452
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<v Speaker 2>Randy Michaels for breaking a contract at ninety six okay,

453
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<v Speaker 2>and uh, and he was just mucking He was just

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<v Speaker 2>mucking up the works because he you know, he was

455
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<v Speaker 2>just he already knew that he and bo were teaming up. Sure,

456
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.559
<v Speaker 2>so he was just like, I'm was gonna screw it

457
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<v Speaker 2>with Boe. So I couldn't talk on the air for

458
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<v Speaker 2>the first month I was there, and the next year

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<v Speaker 2>we had Boomerissias and I think. And the year after

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<v Speaker 2>that it was Sam Kennison, Oh wow. And the year

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<v Speaker 2>after that Tom was like, you're going to do the

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<v Speaker 2>fireworks this year, and I got to be once with you.

463
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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I was scared to death. Scared to death still to

465
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<v Speaker 1>this day, Eddie. There is something about being in that place,

466
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<v Speaker 1>in that crowd, in that electricity, in that environment that

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<v Speaker 1>would scare anybody to death. You're standing there with a

468
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<v Speaker 1>half a million people, half on one side of you,

469
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<v Speaker 1>half on the others, with the biggest event that the

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<v Speaker 1>city has every year, and you're in charge of getting

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<v Speaker 1>it all started. That's that's remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you're looking at a kid who used to

473
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<v Speaker 2>be scared less to go wep in front of a

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<v Speaker 2>class and give an oral book report.

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<v Speaker 1>Stand in front of a half a million people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so over It took me a couple of years,

477
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<v Speaker 2>but then then I look forward to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun, sure, you know, well the party the

479
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<v Speaker 1>Barley Corns boat was the best. You were there, Yes,

480
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<v Speaker 1>I was. I mean just the fact that people after

481
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<v Speaker 1>two or three hours were still climbing the stairs to

482
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<v Speaker 1>the next level and able to do it well amazed me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I will. I'm sitting here. I've had enough free booze

484
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and food. I just want to see the fireworks and

485
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<v Speaker 1>go home. There was when Kennison did it.

486
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<v Speaker 2>I was in the men's room when I walked in

487
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<v Speaker 2>as he was standing in the middle of the men's

488
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<v Speaker 2>room doing coke off of his thumbnail and and one

489
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<v Speaker 2>of the owners of Barley Corns walks in and he's, look,

490
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<v Speaker 2>you can't do that. You cannot do that. He's like,

491
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:41.880
<v Speaker 2>you already did. And later he was with his girlfriend

492
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<v Speaker 2>and her twin sister, who were porn stars. They had

493
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<v Speaker 2>one of their little brother was with him, and he

494
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<v Speaker 2>was about thirteen, and he's sitting there drinking like gin

495
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<v Speaker 2>and tonics and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It did not go well. It is it is the

497
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<v Speaker 1>primary cocktail for most thirteen year old's right, exactly A

498
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<v Speaker 1>respectable I hope, hope. What with the quality is yet,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's do some just word association. First thing that

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<v Speaker 1>comes to your mind. You don't have to elaborate. Robin Wood, lovely,

501
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Bob Berry, funny, wild Man nuts nuts. Okay, I still

502
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<v Speaker 1>talk to wild Man, so yes, I would agree. I

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<v Speaker 1>would concur uh Rick Bird great guy, just smart, smart

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<v Speaker 1>as a whip. Yeah, I remember drinking many a lunch

505
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<v Speaker 1>with Rick Bird at Lungworst. Adam did the exact same thing. Uh,

506
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<v Speaker 1>Mark Chase, What do you remember about me? Friend of me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll say that, okay, because the taste that I

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<v Speaker 2>think had.

509
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<v Speaker 1>I I put.

510
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<v Speaker 2>I pushed back on a problem harder than I should have,

511
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<v Speaker 2>But I think we had a mutual respect for each other.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that? Who is the most influential person in

513
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<v Speaker 1>this business that has helped I don't know shape the

514
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<v Speaker 1>eddy fingers we know today? Is there one particular guy

515
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<v Speaker 1>that just stands out and go, you know what, If

516
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<v Speaker 1>this guy hadn't come along at this point in my life,

517
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<v Speaker 1>I probably would have not had the success that I've had.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say three three guys. Yeah. The guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Vargo, who was the program director at VUD in Dayton,

520
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, who pulled me aside the first after I'd

521
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.559
<v Speaker 1>started and was full of myself. I did full time

522
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>and I should have had the full time gig and

523
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 1>pulled me aside and said, I'm not going to fire you,

524
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<v Speaker 1>but you suck. It's good to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>It is good to hear because we all do when

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<v Speaker 2>we first start who's the second. Uh Tom Owens who

527
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<v Speaker 2>ran who hired me at s A I and then

528
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<v Speaker 2>ended up hiring me in Louisville and then hired me

529
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<v Speaker 2>at EBN. And I'm going to go for Bo Would

530
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<v Speaker 2>of course, owner of EBN back in the day. And

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<v Speaker 2>Randy Michaels, Randy's on my list too, who he the

532
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<v Speaker 2>the benderin Fingers team thing. He really encouraged us to

533
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.319
<v Speaker 2>push it. I mean it's like I told you with

534
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Bo saying that he make the jokes dirty. But then

535
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Randy would told Marty and I, look, do whatever the

536
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>hell it is you guys want to do, and we did.

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<v Speaker 1>It was cool. Yeah, Uh, instrumental in my career. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got a couple of minutes left, Eddie. Let's flash forward

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<v Speaker 1>to to from e b N the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>Dawn Patrol to w l W and you moving into talk. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>No probably late November of seven, okay, and and I'd

543
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>been craving that the gig here and Gary was leaving,

544
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.519
<v Speaker 2>and I had filled in with the forum several times

545
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 2>and they kind of told me I was their apparent.

546
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Gary told me he wanted me to take this show well,

547
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.160
<v Speaker 2>and then Gary kept kept working, which is fine, I

548
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 2>don't care. But I was fifty playing Metallica records at

549
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.400
<v Speaker 2>EBN and I was like, this is this is turning

550
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 2>to get at.

551
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Last year I was at the Fox, I knew the

552
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.319
<v Speaker 1>station was going to be sold. I knew that I

553
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>would have a couple of choices when it was in

554
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:57.839
<v Speaker 1>January of nine and I decided somewhere during that year

555
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<v Speaker 1>that I was tired of babysitting music and I wanted

556
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.079
<v Speaker 1>to do talk. I'd wanted to do to talk ever

557
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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen eighty seven, the first time I heard Rush

558
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<v Speaker 1>Limbaugh and I, you know, I finally got the chance

559
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<v Speaker 1>in ninety seven and I said, you know what, I

560
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<v Speaker 1>want to do that full time. And what about today?

561
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 1>Are you content with where you're at? Are you happy? Yeah?

562
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, big time. I mean I love working with rock.

563
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 2>We have a good time. We've got a good rapport,

564
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<v Speaker 2>I think. And you know, it took me a while

565
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<v Speaker 2>to settle into doing this because, like I said, when

566
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<v Speaker 2>I came in, I wanted to do a Burbank style show. Yeah,

567
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and I thought that's what they wanted. Well, they wanted

568
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<v Speaker 2>to go a little more issue oriented, issue oriented Foxy

569
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Talkie thing. Yeah, And I even said to him, I'm like,

570
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I can do. I'm not good

571
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 2>at that, you know. Like I said, I idolized Burbank

572
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 2>and and I wanted to follow in his Footsta.

573
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<v Speaker 1>Well, for me, when you're in music radio, you may

574
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<v Speaker 1>talk for fifteen seconds or thirty you know, unless you're

575
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<v Speaker 1>interviewing somebody occasionally. But the first time I was on

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<v Speaker 1>WLW in nineteen ninety seven doing Saturday mornings, even I

577
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:20.639
<v Speaker 1>was like lost, I'm good because I'd never rambled for

578
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<v Speaker 1>five minutes or six minutes at a time without breaking

579
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<v Speaker 1>you know what am I going to talk about?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's one of the things that Tom Owen said

581
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.320
<v Speaker 2>to me years back. We're doing an air check session.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't know what, I remember this, so you

583
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:41.119
<v Speaker 2>remember those they take you in and play a tape

584
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<v Speaker 2>and go that sucked you, right, And he doesn't. He

585
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 2>stopped the tape and he looks at me. He goes, buddy,

586
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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you something. Anything you have to say

587
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 2>is not more important than the best Beatles record we.

588
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<v Speaker 1>Play exactly, all right, fair enough? I work for those guys.

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00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I know, Eddie, it's been a joy. That is a

590
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.760
<v Speaker 1>great man. All out of time for this, and of

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00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>course here Eddie and Rocky every Monday through Friday three

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<v Speaker 1>to six here on seven hundred WLW. This has been

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorites. Thank you so much. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Budweiser. Here's another nightcap favorite. This is American History

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio on seven hundred WLW. Taking you back

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<v Speaker 1>to August of nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 6>Eight, WSKZ Chattanooga, Tennessee now begins its broadcast day. WSKZ

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<v Speaker 6>with studios on Pineville Road and transmitting facilities on Signal Mountain.

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<v Speaker 6>Broadcasts with one hundred thousand watts vertical and horizontal and

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<v Speaker 6>stereo at our assigned frequency of one hundred and six

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<v Speaker 6>point five megahertz. WSKZ Chattanooga ten is KZ one O six.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how that began on the nineteenth of August

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy eight. A few years later it would be

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00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:19.599
<v Speaker 1>our home radio station. Why I see hours, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>mine and won Eric Page the pager. Together. Eric and

606
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 1>I worked the knights and dominated the airwaves because there

607
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 1>literally was nothing else on, and we boomed all over

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<v Speaker 1>North Georgia and that part of southeastern Tennessee and into Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy. It was a great way to really

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<v Speaker 1>get a firm footing on my radio career. And again,

611
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the man that I shared this with, this experience and

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<v Speaker 1>all these experiences that we're about to relate to you

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<v Speaker 1>is on the line with this Eric Page. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Nightcap and American history on the radio. How are you?

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<v Speaker 5>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>That was a quick look back. But that's unbelievable, unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I'm well, And this is so much fun

619
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<v Speaker 1>because we have some stories to share. We probably have

620
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.280
<v Speaker 1>stories that we can't share, but we have stories to

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<v Speaker 1>share about those early halcyon days in radio together in

622
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the early eighties. It's can you believe Number one that

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<v Speaker 1>in June of this past year it was my forty

624
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<v Speaker 1>fourth anniversary being consistently on the air somewhere, and you

625
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.679
<v Speaker 1>had quite a run yourself, although you haven't done anything

626
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.519
<v Speaker 1>in years, and I think that's a shame, because you

627
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.639
<v Speaker 1>are truly one of the great radio talents I ever

628
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>worked with and ever listened to. And you taught me

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<v Speaker 1>so much, especially in those early days, the good and

630
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<v Speaker 1>the bad. You taught me a lot of things. But

631
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<v Speaker 1>we were in our early twenties, and we were pretty

632
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 1>much given the freedom to do pretty much anything we

633
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to on the radio and have fun. And we

634
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>did both of those things. Don't you think that was.

635
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 8>Really Yeah, that was really the key that we just

636
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.039
<v Speaker 8>really got the keys to the radio station there and

637
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 8>we covered ninety two counties. I mean, you talk about

638
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.920
<v Speaker 8>the reach of that radio station. We got calls in

639
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.039
<v Speaker 8>our request line at night. You know, you and I

640
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.199
<v Speaker 8>both from as far away north as Bowling Green, Kentucky,

641
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 8>as far away south as Atlanta, and I mean almost

642
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 8>to Burningham and way into the Carolinas and stuff, and

643
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 8>it was just incredible to reach that that station had.

644
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 8>And you're right, it was just a blank slate. There

645
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:55.480
<v Speaker 8>was nothing going on between and radio between Atlanta and Nashville,

646
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.639
<v Speaker 8>and we filled the giant boyd for a whole lot

647
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.519
<v Speaker 8>of people. And we showed up in Billboard magazine one time.

648
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 8>I think by the time we'd been only a year

649
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.559
<v Speaker 8>or so, eighty two or eighty three, maybe we showed

650
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 8>up as one of the top rated shows in the country,

651
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.360
<v Speaker 8>you know, on a list with Scott Shannon at Z

652
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.400
<v Speaker 8>one hundred and Rick D's a Kiss at Them in

653
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 8>La and just it was an incredible time. Yeah, and

654
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 8>we had so much fun doing it, didn't we Oh.

655
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.039
<v Speaker 1>God, so much fun. And you know what. And we

656
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.159
<v Speaker 1>had like a I don't know, an eighty or ninety

657
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:31.920
<v Speaker 1>share at night, which is unheard of. And it was

658
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:35.559
<v Speaker 1>partly due to the signal and partly due to the format,

659
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and we may have contributed a little bit to that.

660
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 1>It was just the right place at the right time

661
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 1>for both of us and it was a blast. There

662
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:48.239
<v Speaker 1>are many things that come to mind when I recall

663
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>those days in Chattanooga, Eric in the early eighties. One

664
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>of them is not exactly one of our finest moments.

665
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 1>When we were we were on a tag team against

666
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:05.880
<v Speaker 1>female mud wrestlers at the National Guard Armory in Chattanooga,

667
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>got our butts kicked, you know.

668
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.199
<v Speaker 8>I still feel that to this day. We got tossed

669
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:18.719
<v Speaker 8>around like rag dolls on a mud pit elevated playwood

670
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.039
<v Speaker 8>stage they built. It looked more like gallows pretty much.

671
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:26.480
<v Speaker 8>And wow, there were three thousand people crammed in this

672
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.880
<v Speaker 8>little armory there as dead o winner right as January.

673
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 3>And we didn't get the Chicago Knockers that they.

674
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:38.400
<v Speaker 8>Were traveling mud wrestling troop and they just about killed us.

675
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Now, Eric, we went to a meeting before the bout

676
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and they told us about the choreography and what we

677
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.039
<v Speaker 1>were supposed to do at what time, and they would

678
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.159
<v Speaker 1>do this and then we would do that. And we

679
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 1>did not necessarily adhere to the plan. And I think

680
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Speaker 1>that's where we got into trouble.

681
00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 8>Well maybe we did. We showed up with t shirts

682
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.159
<v Speaker 8>and said I wanted all We were wearing wrestling tides,

683
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.199
<v Speaker 8>and we both weighed maybe one hundred and thirty pounds,

684
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 8>were soaking wet, and yeah, we paid for it that night.

685
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.239
<v Speaker 8>But it was fun. It was a great show. It

686
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 8>did damage me badly, though.

687
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.440
<v Speaker 1>We did something else then that I I could not

688
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:21.800
<v Speaker 1>do now. I mean, we did plenty of things I

689
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>could not do now, but one in particular was the

690
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Studio in the Sky, which was basically a billboard with

691
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a built on extra catwalk where we would actually broadcast

692
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>from at night on one of the busiest streets in Chattanooga,

693
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:44.320
<v Speaker 1>brainerd Avenue. And we were what how high, We're like

694
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 1>fifty sixty feet up and forty feet up.

695
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Probably sixty feet you know.

696
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:51.559
<v Speaker 8>We had to climb the pole, get in a ladder

697
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 8>to get up to the ladder, they got up to

698
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.159
<v Speaker 8>the catwalk, and you know we did We broadcast Mayor.

699
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.199
<v Speaker 8>We used to give away stuff from Jean Juris from

700
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:03.199
<v Speaker 8>a Warner Brothers Records, came down from Nashville and bought

701
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 8>a bunch of cool stuff. And we were hanging posters

702
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.000
<v Speaker 8>over the over the railing and the first person I

703
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 8>could pull across the street and to the payphone and

704
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 8>call the radio station and tell us who it was,

705
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.920
<v Speaker 8>we'd win the poster and stuff like that. It was

706
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.960
<v Speaker 8>a blast and and it just caused all kinds of traffic,

707
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 8>champs and stuff. I think that was the key there.

708
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.079
<v Speaker 8>We got out. We did stuff all the time. We

709
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.039
<v Speaker 8>got out and met everybody. I mean, you and I

710
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 8>visited I don't know how many schools, uh during our

711
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.320
<v Speaker 8>time there. We did sock hops and just regular appearances

712
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.119
<v Speaker 8>and we just go talk to kids and stuff. The

713
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.480
<v Speaker 8>we most that we did were like constant, you know,

714
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.559
<v Speaker 8>several times a week we're out someplace doing everything and

715
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 8>meeting people and they got to know us, and it

716
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 8>really helped a lot. It's that radio station is thriving

717
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:50.159
<v Speaker 8>today forty years later because of all that.

718
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:51.639
<v Speaker 3>It truly is.

719
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, you talk about going out to schools.

720
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.360
<v Speaker 1>There was one particular dance we you know, we did

721
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.880
<v Speaker 1>sock ops. Like you said, our dance is at schools

722
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 1>for extra money, and it was, you know, we lugged

723
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 1>the equipment. They actually paid us just to lug the

724
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.639
<v Speaker 1>equipment in and lug it out. What we did in

725
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the meantime usually didn't matter. But we're at a junior

726
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 1>high school, it's a middle school or something, and the

727
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>students had gotten good grades, so the principal wanted to

728
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 1>award them, reward them with a concert featuring the disc

729
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.719
<v Speaker 1>jockeys at KZ one oh six, and so Eric and

730
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I get out. We get out and they have a

731
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 1>setup in the middle of the gym floor and all

732
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>these sixth and seventh graders and eighth graders are staring

733
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:43.159
<v Speaker 1>back at us from the bleachers because they weren't allowed

734
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 1>to dance number one. So we're just out there in

735
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 1>the middle. We're just playing records and talking to them.

736
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 1>But it's like totally disconnected. It didn't make any sense.

737
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 1>This is a reward. This is like more of a

738
00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>punishment for the kids in a reward.

739
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 8>And then we used to being completely surrounded by kids

740
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 8>and swamped, you know, and we're playing that while we're

741
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:07.639
<v Speaker 8>playing music and they're all dancing like crazy and they're

742
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 8>sitting in the bleachers with their hands and their lapse. Yeah,

743
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:10.480
<v Speaker 8>I remember that.

744
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 1>So do you remember what the principal came up and

745
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 1>told us before tell that story?

746
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, Well, they were opening in the new arena in

747
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:19.800
<v Speaker 8>Chattanooga at that time.

748
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:21.199
<v Speaker 3>We called it the Roundhouse.

749
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.519
<v Speaker 8>It was the UTC Arena, uh and Van Halen was

750
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 8>going to be the opening act for the christening of

751
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.079
<v Speaker 8>the stadium, and so it was a big deal.

752
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:30.400
<v Speaker 3>You know.

753
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.280
<v Speaker 8>They were the biggest band in the world really at

754
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:37.599
<v Speaker 8>that time. And we set up our stuff and went okay,

755
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.760
<v Speaker 8>and we played Pretty Woman by Van Halen, which was

756
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.480
<v Speaker 8>the Roy Orbison you know remake, and the principal came

757
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.400
<v Speaker 8>up and said, I'm sorry, but you can't play that

758
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 8>because we.

759
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Don't like that guy that downhill from there brother didn't it.

760
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, the first record we played was He Really Got

761
00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 1>Me by Van Halen, And he had no idea that

762
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.920
<v Speaker 1>we were playing van Halen Rights.

763
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:04.719
<v Speaker 8>Records playing vanill yeah, until we played Pretty Woman, you know,

764
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 8>but he'd heard of a million times before because he

765
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 8>grew up with, you know, listened to Roy Orbison, you

766
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.880
<v Speaker 8>know whatever. But these kids, it was awful. And then

767
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:14.719
<v Speaker 8>we went back to the radio station. I remember I

768
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.119
<v Speaker 8>signed on at six o'clock that evening, and you and

769
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 8>I went on like a twenty minute diatribe.

770
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 3>About what had happened and all this.

771
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.400
<v Speaker 8>And just how ridiculous that was, and it just, oh

772
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 8>my gosh, it was crazy.

773
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:27.639
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

774
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.119
<v Speaker 8>Tell we had so much of it, with so many

775
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.719
<v Speaker 8>great other great times. At the time you disappeared, we took

776
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:34.360
<v Speaker 8>a bunch of records, uh, a big box load of

777
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:38.760
<v Speaker 8>h forty fives from the station and that we didn't need.

778
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.199
<v Speaker 8>And you were out at the center court of this

779
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 8>basketball gym and you got just swamped by a couple

780
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 8>one hundred little kids, and then you disappeared. You started

781
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:50.719
<v Speaker 8>off at center court and wound up underneath all the

782
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 8>other basket in the far end, just and disappeared. And

783
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 8>giving these kids these records and so much fun, just

784
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:58.079
<v Speaker 8>all that stuff was crazy.

785
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:04.239
<v Speaker 1>We have to talk about. But the softball game. Chattanooga

786
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>is like thirty miles from Fort Payne, Alabama, and I

787
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:12.239
<v Speaker 1>have two Alabama store. One was their infamous June Jam

788
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.639
<v Speaker 1>or their famous June Jam that would happen every June

789
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>in their hometown of Fort Payne. I got to helicopter

790
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:22.400
<v Speaker 1>in with two winners from the radio station right into

791
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:26.159
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the festival grounds to see Alabama and

792
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.920
<v Speaker 1>their guests. And Alabama right now is like one of

793
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 1>the hottest bands in the country. We're a rock station,

794
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 1>but we played ton loads of Alabama because it was popular,

795
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, I had to so anyway, Alabama had a

796
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.440
<v Speaker 1>celebrity softball team that traveled all around for charity, and

797
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.360
<v Speaker 1>we had our own KZ one oh six softball team,

798
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:54.800
<v Speaker 1>and through our machinations of knowing people and being in

799
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>such close proximity, you know, we got a deal together

800
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.360
<v Speaker 1>where we were going to play the Alabama softball team

801
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.760
<v Speaker 1>at the local Ingles Stadium, which that's that Ingle Stadium

802
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:09.079
<v Speaker 1>is no longer there. There's another minor league baseball park

803
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.639
<v Speaker 1>in Chattanooga now and that place was about to fall

804
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.679
<v Speaker 1>in in nineteen eighty two. But there we were set

805
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 1>the scene for the crowd size and everything else.

806
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:24.400
<v Speaker 8>Eric well, it absolutely packed it out. We charged the

807
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 8>admission was like a can of food for the local

808
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 8>food bank, which nobody had even done something like that before,

809
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:37.119
<v Speaker 8>and almost ten thousand people showed up its pad twelve

810
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.679
<v Speaker 8>deep down the baselines all the way out as you know,

811
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:43.960
<v Speaker 8>the defenses, and it was just nuts. It was like

812
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.360
<v Speaker 8>a World Series kind of atmosphere. Randy Owen and Teddy

813
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:50.960
<v Speaker 8>gentry student at home plate and sang the Star Spangled

814
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.559
<v Speaker 8>Band and a cappella and it just brought down the house.

815
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 8>I wish I had a recording of that because it

816
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.039
<v Speaker 8>was one of the best things I've ever heard in

817
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 8>my life, you know, ten feet away and uh, and

818
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.280
<v Speaker 8>the crowd was just into it all the way.

819
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:06.159
<v Speaker 3>And we had a pretty good team. Uh, we had

820
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:07.639
<v Speaker 3>women on our team. They did not.

821
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.119
<v Speaker 8>And you know, we got to the end of the

822
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:11.880
<v Speaker 8>game and I got I got hurt during the game.

823
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.280
<v Speaker 8>I was catchy for some reason, and uh, Randy Owen

824
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:18.480
<v Speaker 8>came to bat for the first time, and he took

825
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 8>a first pitch and the second pitch he popped it

826
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.159
<v Speaker 8>up a foul ball right straight behind up and straight

827
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.559
<v Speaker 8>behind home plate, and I turned to go try and

828
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:28.480
<v Speaker 8>catch it, and I dove and missed. It went up

829
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.840
<v Speaker 8>and skipped up with my glove and I like smashed

830
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.880
<v Speaker 8>my face into the hard ground and so he was

831
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.679
<v Speaker 8>like nice, Trim. But he remembers that game to this day.

832
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 8>I've talked to him many times over the years since then, uh,

833
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.599
<v Speaker 8>and he remembers that like it was yesterday. It was

834
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.199
<v Speaker 8>so much fun and we won the game at the

835
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:50.639
<v Speaker 8>end and wound up getting booed off the field because

836
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 8>they were so popular. Were just people couldn't believe me.

837
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:56.719
<v Speaker 8>You know, they didn't come there to watch, you know,

838
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.800
<v Speaker 8>then lose or whatever it was. It was just so much.

839
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 3>That was the.

840
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Biggest That was the biggest crowd in Ingles Stadium. That

841
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.119
<v Speaker 1>stadium's history too, and you know, it was a Wire

842
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:11.719
<v Speaker 1>League ballpark and uh, I think today it's a Reds affiliate.

843
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if Chattanooga is a Red's affiliate or not.

844
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:18.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, you know, they was, but anyway, yeah,

845
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 3>at that time.

846
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 8>The next year, Oh Jackson's very first professional baseball game.

847
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.119
<v Speaker 8>He got signed by whoever and was I think playing

848
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 8>for Birmingham for like ten minutes and came to Chattanooga.

849
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 8>Was his very first game. And it drew like six

850
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.880
<v Speaker 8>thousand because he was Bo Jackson.

851
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.519
<v Speaker 1>We out drew werew We out drew Bo Jackson.

852
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:40.480
<v Speaker 3>We out Drew bo Jackson.

853
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Bo, no, second place.

854
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.800
<v Speaker 8>Well, that's how popular Alabama was. Yeah, is incredible. And

855
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:53.639
<v Speaker 8>then and they're so nice, you know. That was one

856
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.320
<v Speaker 8>of the great things we did. Lots of neat stuff

857
00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:03.039
<v Speaker 8>that the Haunted Caverns at Ruby Falls, inside the out Yeah.

858
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.199
<v Speaker 1>The sky show, the sky Show, the big balloon show

859
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:08.119
<v Speaker 1>at Raccoon Mountain.

860
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:10.800
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's the very first spring we were there. We

861
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.480
<v Speaker 8>got there and you and I got there like basically

862
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:15.639
<v Speaker 8>the same week, and I think February of eighty one.

863
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:19.920
<v Speaker 8>And then that very spring in May, I think or June,

864
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 8>we had the sky show with the balloons and the

865
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:25.280
<v Speaker 8>ultra light hang gliders and that was at Raccoon Mountain.

866
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:26.159
<v Speaker 3>That was a nice place.

867
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I always remember too, the trip that you and I

868
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 1>took to Nashville for Charlie Daniels Volunteer Jam underneath the

869
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:37.800
<v Speaker 1>War Memorial Auditorium in downtown Nashville. And we've got a

870
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 1>broadcast table there in the basement underneath the stage and

871
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 1>all of these I mean you're talking about Marshall Tucker

872
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and the Outlaws and Black Oak Arkansas and all of

873
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.519
<v Speaker 1>these Southern rock bands are all playing on this one

874
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.920
<v Speaker 1>night and Charlie Daniels and we got to broadcast from

875
00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:00.920
<v Speaker 1>there and just see, you know, all of this basically

876
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Southern rock Royalty all in one place. That was very.

877
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Special and other people too.

878
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.400
<v Speaker 8>We met James Brown, remember, carl Perkins was there, yep,

879
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:17.400
<v Speaker 8>Crystal Gale. It just the whole spectrum. It was thirty

880
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 8>acts in eight hours, the best concert ever. Everybody came

881
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 8>out and played twenty minutes, thirty minutes, and then they

882
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 8>would disappear. Then they'd come back out later and play

883
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 8>as part of a jam band with Charlie or whoever.

884
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:33.360
<v Speaker 8>The one year I think Woody Herman and his Thundering

885
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:35.440
<v Speaker 8>Herd opened the show. You know, they were like a

886
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:39.639
<v Speaker 8>Guy Lombardo kind of thing. Stevie ray Vaughan, the only

887
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:41.599
<v Speaker 8>time I ever got to see Stevie ray Vaughn was

888
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 8>at a Charlie Daniels volunteer jam I seen watching with

889
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:49.320
<v Speaker 8>Redbeard from Rock Pelchie in Memphis. We snuck up from

890
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.880
<v Speaker 8>behind the doing the interviews and stuff and went up

891
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.360
<v Speaker 8>and just to see Stevie ray vaugh for the first

892
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.480
<v Speaker 8>time both of us. It was just like unbelievable, unbelievable,

893
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.280
<v Speaker 8>but you want to see Welly and you got see

894
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:03.119
<v Speaker 8>cool bands. You never got seene anywhere else. Willie Nelson

895
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:05.840
<v Speaker 8>would show up once in a while, and whatever. I

896
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.440
<v Speaker 8>would need to see Don Henley at the Volunteer Jam

897
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 8>and John.

898
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy, that's great.

899
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.039
<v Speaker 8>Little Richard got booed off a stage one year, remember that, Yes,

900
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:16.400
<v Speaker 8>I do.

901
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a little.

902
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:21.280
<v Speaker 8>Richard got up on stage and started talking about how

903
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 8>he was the Elvis was nothing without hit little Richards.

904
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Everybody started booing, Oh God, here we go.

905
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.639
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what. Let's let's take a quick break

906
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 1>and we'll come back and share a few more memories.

907
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Because you were here in Cincinnati with us at seven

908
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.719
<v Speaker 1>hundred WLW four too short a time in my opinion,

909
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:45.079
<v Speaker 1>but I want to talk about some of the things

910
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.599
<v Speaker 1>that you brought to the table, both in Nashville when

911
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:53.480
<v Speaker 1>we work together and here in Cincinnati. It's Eric Page,

912
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:57.440
<v Speaker 1>my old radio pal from the Wings of Rock and Roll,

913
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.079
<v Speaker 1>on American History, on the Rate, on the Nightcap on

914
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:05.639
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW, and do you know.

915
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.920
<v Speaker 7>The guy who sets up Mike McConnell, Gary Jeff Countless others.

916
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.639
<v Speaker 7>Tonight I'm here to interest some of Gary Jeff Walker's

917
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.280
<v Speaker 7>favorite interviews. It seems like Gary Jeff has some Seg

918
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:18.320
<v Speaker 7>Dennison disease. If it snows, they don't go. Here's another

919
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:19.440
<v Speaker 7>helping of Gary Jeff.

920
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Once again, we are talking to Eric Page, who was

921
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Eric Page only one of the finest radio talents I

922
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.760
<v Speaker 1>ever worked with in my entire forty four year career,

923
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.639
<v Speaker 1>first in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and then in Nashville. And we

924
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:38.400
<v Speaker 1>worked together again here in Cincinnati, actually at seven hundred WLW,

925
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:42.079
<v Speaker 1>and that's where this is airing at the moment, just

926
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.239
<v Speaker 1>in case you hadn't noticed, it's the nightcap Gary Jeff

927
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 1>with Eric Page the pager. And you had these brief

928
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 1>stints in other places besides Chattanooga, in some pretty interesting

929
00:53:56.280 --> 00:54:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and wonderful radio stations, the least of which certainly why

930
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:02.800
<v Speaker 1>one of seven in Nashville at the time you were there.

931
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.880
<v Speaker 1>We were number one with a bullet and you would

932
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 1>come to the station and added a wonderful I found

933
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.480
<v Speaker 1>a photo Eric, of you, me and Mark Chase somewhere

934
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.320
<v Speaker 1>We've got our station shirts on it, and we're looking

935
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:23.400
<v Speaker 1>very eighties preppy, but somewhere with microphones in our hands

936
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 1>doing something, and we still looked like we weren't lizard

937
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 1>people yet, and.

938
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:32.400
<v Speaker 3>We were a small band of renegades.

939
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, we were the outrageous FM. You worked in big markets.

940
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.559
<v Speaker 1>You worked in Washington, d C. For one week. I

941
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.559
<v Speaker 1>remember that I did, and you told me. You told

942
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.719
<v Speaker 1>me the story. Washington, d C. Is a union town.

943
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.199
<v Speaker 1>And what that means in radio is that the talent

944
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:58.679
<v Speaker 1>which I've I've discerned that the term talent stands for talking,

945
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:02.320
<v Speaker 1>asslecking every no necessary tool. But we were talent with

946
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:05.599
<v Speaker 1>the talent in a union radio station doesn't do anything

947
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 1>but talk, basically, that's right. And you're doing You've got

948
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 1>a guy playing the records across from you when you're

949
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.360
<v Speaker 1>on the air, and you couldn't even listen to the

950
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:18.599
<v Speaker 1>tape of yourself in the production room without someone barging in.

951
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Tell me that.

952
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Story, you know, well, you know how we were.

953
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 8>We were used to like being on the air, but

954
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:26.800
<v Speaker 8>while a song is playing, we run back to the

955
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:29.960
<v Speaker 8>production room and starts splicing something up to bring back,

956
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.880
<v Speaker 8>you know, play on the air. I wasn't allowed to

957
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:35.880
<v Speaker 8>put a cassette in a machine. I went nuts.

958
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:37.199
<v Speaker 3>It was like, you got to be kidding.

959
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 8>I had to get wake up an engineer off the couch,

960
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:45.000
<v Speaker 8>you know. Hey, Yeah, it was the most incredible thing

961
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.679
<v Speaker 8>I've ever seen in my life. It was so unlike

962
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:49.599
<v Speaker 8>what I really wanted to be doing, which is what

963
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 8>I was used to.

964
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're used to We're used to engineering our own thing.

965
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:57.920
<v Speaker 1>We're used to quelling up the record, getting the CD

966
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:00.360
<v Speaker 1>or the cart ready, you know, and fire in that.

967
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Answering the phone at a Union radio station. You didn't

968
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:05.199
<v Speaker 1>do any of that. You you didn't even get to

969
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.559
<v Speaker 1>answer your own phone on the air.

970
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.679
<v Speaker 8>We used to hand edit seven or eight or whatever

971
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:15.760
<v Speaker 8>responses to something and play it immediately, coming out of

972
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.320
<v Speaker 8>whatever we just came out of, you know, and and

973
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:20.320
<v Speaker 8>doing it like that. And then it was just not

974
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 8>like that anymore. And they brought me there to compete

975
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:26.840
<v Speaker 8>against Howard Stern because the DC one O three or

976
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:30.400
<v Speaker 8>what they had, I had hired Howard Stern and uh,

977
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:32.440
<v Speaker 8>and I could just beat the crap out of him.

978
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:35.239
<v Speaker 8>So they brought me therefore, and it just it just

979
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.239
<v Speaker 8>didn't work out.

980
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Didn't work out. How did how did you eventually land

981
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.159
<v Speaker 1>in Nashville? Because the details on that are kind of foggy.

982
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I know that Mark Chase brought you in and we

983
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.840
<v Speaker 1>were all there in the late eighties, and like I said,

984
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.800
<v Speaker 1>in the greatest days of that radio station, which of

985
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.239
<v Speaker 1>course doesn't exist, is why one of seven anymore? It's

986
00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I think they call it the River.

987
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:00.199
<v Speaker 3>But I no.

988
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.639
<v Speaker 8>I add to my experience in DC. I wound up

989
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:06.440
<v Speaker 8>it kicks one on four in Nashville from there where

990
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.519
<v Speaker 8>you've been, yep, and a lot of folks, a bunch

991
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 8>of people we know, you know. I'd gone through theres

992
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:16.159
<v Speaker 8>A Kyote, McLeod, many many more. And then because I

993
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:18.920
<v Speaker 8>met Mark before at one of the volunteer jams, I think,

994
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:23.400
<v Speaker 8>and so we kind of had a relationship, and you

995
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 8>were already working there, and so it just kind of

996
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.159
<v Speaker 8>helped and I was able to slip in there after

997
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:31.159
<v Speaker 8>getting a lot of going One on four went under

998
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 8>and changed to something else, and yeah, I was on

999
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:37.440
<v Speaker 8>the air like ninety minutes later at ye Else seven.

1000
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Eric Page, if you were a Reds on the radio fan,

1001
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:46.039
<v Speaker 1>and many of you are, even though there's been less

1002
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 1>reason to be a fan lately than ordinarily. Uh But anyway,

1003
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:54.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're a Reds Radio Red's on radio fan, you're

1004
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.599
<v Speaker 1>familiar with the pregame show that's called the Inside Pitch.

1005
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Eric Page is the one that branded that show and

1006
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:04.480
<v Speaker 1>actually started it, because before that they were doing a

1007
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.320
<v Speaker 1>pregame show, but it was just kind of an amorphous.

1008
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.360
<v Speaker 1>It's Red's pregame, and Eric came up with the name

1009
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Inside Pitch, and you did so much work in getting

1010
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:20.239
<v Speaker 1>that pregame Red show up to par to this day.

1011
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:24.679
<v Speaker 1>To this day, you were the template for a great

1012
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:29.360
<v Speaker 1>pregame radio show before Reds Baseball. Any thoughts on the

1013
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.000
<v Speaker 1>development of the Inside.

1014
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Pitch, Well, yeah, thanks for that.

1015
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:37.480
<v Speaker 8>It's well, it was not my idea entirely, of course,

1016
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:42.239
<v Speaker 8>it was marking a bunch of other people. Baseball pregame

1017
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.480
<v Speaker 8>shows had been a five minute kind of thing before that,

1018
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.880
<v Speaker 8>from nineteen to nineteen twenties. When radio broadcast started, it

1019
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:54.039
<v Speaker 8>was the announcer. That main announcer talked to the manager

1020
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:56.280
<v Speaker 8>for a couple of minutes. It was some commercials. They

1021
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:59.920
<v Speaker 8>came back at the starting lineup, probably the national anthem,

1022
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.719
<v Speaker 8>and then first pitch boom. We decided to do a

1023
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 8>thirty minute formatted pregame show and it was you know,

1024
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:10.079
<v Speaker 8>the big team. Scott Spring, a huge Seggy was in

1025
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.400
<v Speaker 8>on all that, and we just put it together every

1026
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.519
<v Speaker 8>single day. We started going to spring training and just

1027
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.840
<v Speaker 8>just banking tons and tons of conversations and thoughts with people,

1028
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.440
<v Speaker 8>and so when something came up about you know, the

1029
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:27.360
<v Speaker 8>infill fly rule or whatever, we had something on tape

1030
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 8>and ready to go. And then we did the updates

1031
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:36.039
<v Speaker 8>and from the field, and we highlights from around the

1032
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:37.760
<v Speaker 8>league and all this kind of stuff, and it was

1033
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:39.000
<v Speaker 8>a big spot.

1034
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:39.599
<v Speaker 3>It was a hit.

1035
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:41.480
<v Speaker 8>I think from the beginning. It was a lot of

1036
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.199
<v Speaker 8>fun to do, but it was a year round thing.

1037
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:46.599
<v Speaker 8>It took a year. You know, there was never a

1038
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 8>day off in baseball. It's but I really love about it,

1039
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:50.760
<v Speaker 8>you know, getting to work with Marty and Joe people

1040
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:54.159
<v Speaker 8>like that on a daily basis, it's just incredible. I mean,

1041
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:56.960
<v Speaker 8>you can't describe that. And then maybe I got to

1042
00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 8>work with the Atlanta Braves and Skip Carry and Pete

1043
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.519
<v Speaker 8>Van and Don Sutton, and I learned more about baseball

1044
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.960
<v Speaker 8>every day than I knew in my whole life because

1045
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:10.800
<v Speaker 8>I just love baseball. I never played, and but doing

1046
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:14.039
<v Speaker 8>reds Baseball at WLW was nothing. There's nothing like it.

1047
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:16.960
<v Speaker 8>It never was, never will be. It was the best

1048
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 8>thing I ever did, most fun I ever had. I

1049
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:21.880
<v Speaker 8>wish it would have lasted a lot longer, but it didn't.

1050
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.039
<v Speaker 8>But you know, I've been lasted a day. I told

1051
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:25.920
<v Speaker 8>Marty this, you know, more than once.

1052
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:26.599
<v Speaker 3>Now.

1053
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:28.920
<v Speaker 8>If it only lasted a day, it was worth it.

1054
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.360
<v Speaker 8>And everybody that loved baseball as much as I do

1055
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:34.920
<v Speaker 8>could do that for one day, then maybe that would

1056
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:35.639
<v Speaker 8>be great.

1057
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.320
<v Speaker 1>You're your hometown is Evansville, Indiana, which happens to be

1058
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the hometown of one Don Maddingly don Donnie Baseball. Did

1059
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.320
<v Speaker 1>you know Donny Baseball? Growing up?

1060
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:48.840
<v Speaker 8>Grew up don yup, grew up with Donnie Baseball. He

1061
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:53.559
<v Speaker 8>played the Little League and Baby Ruth League with coming up,

1062
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.639
<v Speaker 8>growing up with some of my best friends and was

1063
01:00:56.679 --> 01:00:59.559
<v Speaker 8>around Don a lot that known Donald forever. I mean,

1064
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:01.760
<v Speaker 8>we've done a bunch of fun stuff together.

1065
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:02.480
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:06.960
<v Speaker 8>When he had the the campaign that was I think

1067
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:10.719
<v Speaker 8>Nike or something that uh, he and Kim Grippy Junior

1068
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:14.360
<v Speaker 8>did where manually hits a baseball at Yankee Stadium and

1069
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:18.039
<v Speaker 8>Grippy's in centerfield there and he chases the ball all

1070
01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:20.400
<v Speaker 8>the way across the country and catches it in Seattle.

1071
01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:22.440
<v Speaker 3>We did the radio version.

1072
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.760
<v Speaker 8>Of that with Nike, and I did those in Evans

1073
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:27.840
<v Speaker 8>Will It was with Don He had a really cool

1074
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.639
<v Speaker 8>bar there and we did a lot of charity stuff

1075
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.039
<v Speaker 8>together over the years. And he's a wonderful guy. I

1076
01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 8>hope he's the next manager of the Yankees.

1077
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:39.280
<v Speaker 9>A little dude you have, you have kind of a

1078
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:42.679
<v Speaker 9>I mean, maybe not a direct tie, but you have

1079
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:46.519
<v Speaker 9>kind of a relationship with another Indiana boy, John Mellencamp too.

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01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:51.519
<v Speaker 8>John, I've known for more than almost twenty five years.

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01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.960
<v Speaker 8>I guess we first met nineteen eighty Yeah, before you

1082
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:58.920
<v Speaker 8>and I even met. I've been friends ever since. Got

1083
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.559
<v Speaker 8>to go backstage at one of his concerts at the

1084
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:04.559
<v Speaker 8>Grand Ole Opry, which is in eighty four, and it

1085
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:09.280
<v Speaker 8>was so cool. John was great that night. He was

1086
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:11.119
<v Speaker 8>one of his best shows. There was the first rock

1087
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:13.840
<v Speaker 8>show they had, a like regular rock show. They scheduled

1088
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.480
<v Speaker 8>to play at the Grand Ole Opery or a minute

1089
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.880
<v Speaker 8>after afterwards. But I got to meet roy A Cup

1090
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:23.719
<v Speaker 8>that night, and Minnie Pearl was there, and John Prime

1091
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.800
<v Speaker 8>was there, and just so a lot of great memories

1092
01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:30.199
<v Speaker 8>of John. Yeah, from Indiana. We played at the same time.

1093
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 8>In nineteen seventy nine, he was still playing at a

1094
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:35.360
<v Speaker 8>bar called the Blue Note in Bloomington. I was a

1095
01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.719
<v Speaker 8>club jock and a block down the street at the Regulator,

1096
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:42.840
<v Speaker 8>and I was a kid in nineteen I can't only

1097
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:43.519
<v Speaker 8>believe it.

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01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:49.920
<v Speaker 1>No doubt. My tie to John Mellencamp is very It's

1099
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:52.800
<v Speaker 1>way different. Never were friends, never had a lot of

1100
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:59.320
<v Speaker 1>time together. But I'm sitting in my radio class. Actually

1101
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:01.920
<v Speaker 1>this was years after I had graduated from vall State

1102
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:05.280
<v Speaker 1>there in Gallaton, and I'm talking to my old professor,

1103
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Skip Sparkman, and he's got a picture on his desk

1104
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.079
<v Speaker 1>of these just him and a bunch of kids from

1105
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like the seventies. He goes, you know who that is?

1106
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.960
<v Speaker 1>You know who's in He said, that's John Mellencamp. He

1107
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.079
<v Speaker 1>was a student of mine at Vincennes Junior College in

1108
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.119
<v Speaker 1>radio he did, and.

1109
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 3>He was there to be a DJ. He wanted to

1110
01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:27.920
<v Speaker 3>be a radio DJ. And he told me wasn't good enough.

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01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me tell you the conversation that Skip had

1112
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:35.440
<v Speaker 1>with with John. He said he pulled it aside after

1113
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:40.159
<v Speaker 1>the first quarter of school and said, John, what do

1114
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:43.159
<v Speaker 1>you really want to do in life? And Johnson want

1115
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:45.559
<v Speaker 1>He said, I want to play music. He said you

1116
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:47.559
<v Speaker 1>should go. After that, he said he was the worst

1117
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:49.039
<v Speaker 1>student he'd ever had.

1118
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:56.119
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, John's not like anybody else. He's really not.

1119
01:03:56.599 --> 01:04:01.440
<v Speaker 8>He's an a quiet taste too. He's worriable, and I'm

1120
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.519
<v Speaker 8>glad he's you know, they're still doing well. But he

1121
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:06.239
<v Speaker 8>always seemed like he was the same age as me.

1122
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:08.480
<v Speaker 8>But he's not. He's eight or nine years old. He's

1123
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:12.000
<v Speaker 8>seventy seventy one hours something of him, and I'm a

1124
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:15.679
<v Speaker 8>mere sixty four. We were nineteen years old. I think

1125
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:18.440
<v Speaker 8>are twenty years old when we when we started working

1126
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:19.519
<v Speaker 8>in Chattamerica.

1127
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Absolute kids, man, twenty years old.

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01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I live on Don't Own.

1129
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.039
<v Speaker 1>February of nineteen eighty February of nineteen eighty one. I'm

1130
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.199
<v Speaker 1>twenty years old. It's my first time away from home.

1131
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:32.840
<v Speaker 1>And then I get to meet you and you're my

1132
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:35.519
<v Speaker 1>tour guide through this crazy malay.

1133
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.599
<v Speaker 8>Thanks oh man. You know I was and I was

1134
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:41.000
<v Speaker 8>married with a little baby. And that little baby is

1135
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:43.559
<v Speaker 8>will be forty four years old next month.

1136
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:49.199
<v Speaker 1>How about that? Hats off, Hats off to Brett. So

1137
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:51.119
<v Speaker 1>I got I gotta ask. I gotta ask you a

1138
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:54.000
<v Speaker 1>question and you may not have, you may have want

1139
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.320
<v Speaker 1>more than one answer for this. Eric, we're talking to

1140
01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Eric Page American History on the Radio and the night Cap,

1141
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.199
<v Speaker 1>And the question is, you've been out quite a while

1142
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:07.159
<v Speaker 1>of the business. Do you miss it all the time,

1143
01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:09.159
<v Speaker 1>do you miss it some of the time, or do

1144
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:12.719
<v Speaker 1>you not miss it at all.

1145
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:15.960
<v Speaker 8>I miss doing a show. I miss actually showing up

1146
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.679
<v Speaker 8>and just doing the work, just doing you know, the

1147
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:19.719
<v Speaker 8>actual broadcast.

1148
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:20.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

1149
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:24.800
<v Speaker 8>I don't miss anything else outside of it. I sometimes

1150
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:27.159
<v Speaker 8>I missed the production. I missed being able to be

1151
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:28.760
<v Speaker 8>in a production room for a couple of hours a

1152
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.320
<v Speaker 8>day and and out stuff with it. It's just a

1153
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:34.519
<v Speaker 8>commercial for somebody's lawn and garden center or whatever, just

1154
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:37.199
<v Speaker 8>or just creating something else for the show tomorrow, doing

1155
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:39.920
<v Speaker 8>the show prep. I missed that. But I still do

1156
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:41.840
<v Speaker 8>it all in my mind, so I really I'm still

1157
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.599
<v Speaker 8>doing it. I think I think I never stopped. I

1158
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.199
<v Speaker 8>just I just don't actually broadcast anymore. And I think

1159
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:49.039
<v Speaker 8>that's the only difference.

1160
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:50.159
<v Speaker 3>Really. Yeah.

1161
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:52.719
<v Speaker 8>I tell the people too, I miss you, guys. I

1162
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:56.079
<v Speaker 8>miss everybody, but everybody's gone. I mean, you're you're like

1163
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:59.320
<v Speaker 8>the only guy left. Who's laugh Who's Mike McConnell. I

1164
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:00.000
<v Speaker 8>love mcconnord.

1165
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:00.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank god.

1166
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:05.559
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I missed, you know, I missed Jim Scott. I'm

1167
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:07.519
<v Speaker 8>going to mention Jim Scott. I thought it was just

1168
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:09.679
<v Speaker 8>a wonderful person to work with. I can I can't

1169
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:14.880
<v Speaker 8>imagine a better pro He was just always so welcoming

1170
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:19.320
<v Speaker 8>and so encouraging and everything to me because I was

1171
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:23.159
<v Speaker 8>just a nervous wreck, you know. Can you imagine going

1172
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:25.320
<v Speaker 8>on with Jim Scott like the very first time is

1173
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:29.639
<v Speaker 8>and I'm filling in for Springer or somebody, and it says,

1174
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:30.760
<v Speaker 8>I'm just a nervous wreck.

1175
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:31.440
<v Speaker 3>He was great.

1176
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:33.840
<v Speaker 8>You let me do my thing, you know, because it's

1177
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:34.800
<v Speaker 8>a little different, but.

1178
01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:37.800
<v Speaker 3>He was great.

1179
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, you mentioned, you mentioned, you mentioned Jim, and

1180
01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:47.440
<v Speaker 1>we all excuse me, you got me. We all missed you.

1181
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:52.400
<v Speaker 1>But the thing that made Jim Scott so special and

1182
01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:55.800
<v Speaker 1>so popular was you talked about us. In the early

1183
01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:59.000
<v Speaker 1>days in Chattanooga, we were out somewhere every day, and

1184
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, at least or four times a week meeting people.

1185
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:04.360
<v Speaker 1>That is what Jim Scott had and that's what he

1186
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:08.239
<v Speaker 1>did for the entirety of his radio career here. Jim

1187
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Scott never met a stranger, and he was literally somewhere

1188
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.480
<v Speaker 1>every single day. After he got off the radio out

1189
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:16.400
<v Speaker 1>in the public.

1190
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:20.880
<v Speaker 8>And it was We were neighbors in East Waller Hills

1191
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:23.840
<v Speaker 8>for while. I lived there too, and I got to

1192
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:25.960
<v Speaker 8>see him a lot from just outside of work, which

1193
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:29.280
<v Speaker 8>was great because he was just a little bit a

1194
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:33.159
<v Speaker 8>little bit there, you know, and I thought he was

1195
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:36.159
<v Speaker 8>a great person. I miss her. I miss Marty alive, sure,

1196
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:36.960
<v Speaker 8>miss Joe.

1197
01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:39.239
<v Speaker 3>Good grief.

1198
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:41.159
<v Speaker 8>Marty was one of the funniest people. They were man.

1199
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:48.199
<v Speaker 8>Until I met Skip Carry. I had Skip Carrey's Harry

1200
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:52.239
<v Speaker 8>Carey's grandson, Josh Carrey was my action. Was my intern

1201
01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:56.320
<v Speaker 8>in Atlanta one summer when I was a sports director

1202
01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:59.800
<v Speaker 8>at ninety six Rock and WGST there and doing it

1203
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.800
<v Speaker 8>and abrace baseball, and I just couldn't believe it just

1204
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:06.639
<v Speaker 8>blew me away that Harry Carry's grand Center was my inturn.

1205
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:09.039
<v Speaker 8>It's like, shouldn't I be working for you? What's the deal?

1206
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:13.039
<v Speaker 1>No question? Well, brother, it's so good to share some

1207
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:17.199
<v Speaker 1>memories with you. Oh and uh we we do it

1208
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:21.319
<v Speaker 1>occasionally just personally over the phone, and that's great too.

1209
01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:23.720
<v Speaker 1>But the fact we get to share some of it

1210
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:29.720
<v Speaker 1>with the Nightcap listeners under this platform is meaningful to

1211
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:33.439
<v Speaker 1>me and I really appreciate your time tonight, and thank you.

1212
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:36.000
<v Speaker 8>I love you, and I miss everybody in Cincinnati. I

1213
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:38.560
<v Speaker 8>love you all. I hope a see scene sometimes.

1214
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:41.800
<v Speaker 1>All right, stay Rocky Mountain High out there in Colorado, brother,

1215
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:47.359
<v Speaker 1>and watch out, watch out for the Democrats. They're surrounding you.

1216
01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:49.720
<v Speaker 3>They're not out They're not out here. This is an

1217
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:54.479
<v Speaker 3>Enclay red on Clay.

1218
01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:58.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, Eric, take take care of everybody. It's the

1219
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:05.560
<v Speaker 1>nightcap and it continues at seven hundred WLW wind huddles.

1220
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:06.760
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about basketball.

1221
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:08.520
<v Speaker 7>I'm a hooper and how he used to play back

1222
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:11.119
<v Speaker 7>in the day, however long ago that was, and he

1223
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:12.600
<v Speaker 7>tried to show me his move. He went with the

1224
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:15.000
<v Speaker 7>up and under pump fake. I don't bite on pump fakes.

1225
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:17.600
<v Speaker 7>I sat there like a stone wall and I swatted

1226
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:20.039
<v Speaker 7>his shot, made him fall to the ground because he

1227
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:21.560
<v Speaker 7>tried to go through my strong body.

1228
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:24.279
<v Speaker 1>He hits the side of the bar. I thought it

1229
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:25.079
<v Speaker 1>was over for him.

1230
01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:29.239
<v Speaker 7>He had a softball size swollen elbow, and everyone else

1231
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:30.640
<v Speaker 7>was saying I committed elderly abuse.

1232
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:31.800
<v Speaker 1>But that's besides the point.

1233
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:34.720
<v Speaker 7>Kerry jeff Sure as a fan of All American college

1234
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:38.000
<v Speaker 7>basketball player and multiple time NBA champion Will Purdue.

1235
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Here's the archival interview. Welcome back to the night Cap.

1236
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:44.640
<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk a little college basketball, a little

1237
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:50.000
<v Speaker 1>pro basketball, and about my my fanboy fascination with our

1238
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:53.399
<v Speaker 1>next guest. And I hope he's not creeped out by that.

1239
01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:55.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little creeped out when I think about it.

1240
01:09:55.640 --> 01:10:00.840
<v Speaker 1>But back when I lived in Nashville and the Vanderbilt

1241
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Commo Vanderbilt Commodores were experiencing their halcyon days of being

1242
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:09.000
<v Speaker 1>coached by C. M. Newton and then Eddie Fogler, and

1243
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.319
<v Speaker 1>they went to the NCAA Tournament. They won the NIT Championship.

1244
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:17.359
<v Speaker 1>One of the key pieces, in fact, maybe the key piece,

1245
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:21.560
<v Speaker 1>certainly the big man of those Vandy Commodores was a

1246
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:25.600
<v Speaker 1>guy named Will Purdue. When I first moved to Cincinnati,

1247
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:30.159
<v Speaker 1>a chance at a chance meeting was Scott Droud at

1248
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:34.079
<v Speaker 1>a UC football game. He spotted me from Nashville. He

1249
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 1>remembered I spotted him. I said, that's Scott Droud and

1250
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.439
<v Speaker 1>we started talking and we've had a few conversations here

1251
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.239
<v Speaker 1>in the air. You may have been privy to in

1252
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.199
<v Speaker 1>listening to past shows, and I said, God, I would

1253
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:47.079
<v Speaker 1>love to talk to Will, because I've talked to you,

1254
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I've talked to Barry Goheen, another one of their teammates,

1255
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:51.960
<v Speaker 1>part of the Vandy Baum squad. And I got to

1256
01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:55.960
<v Speaker 1>talk to Will Purdue. I mean four NBA Championship rings

1257
01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:58.279
<v Speaker 1>to his credit, three with Michael Jordan and the Bulls,

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01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:01.520
<v Speaker 1>one with the San Antoo Spurs, and now he is

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01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:04.119
<v Speaker 1>one on the line with us tonight. And I'm just

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01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:07.199
<v Speaker 1>beside myself, like a bad picture on an analog TV

1261
01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:09.680
<v Speaker 1>right now to be talking to the one and only

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01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Will Purdue. How are you doing well?

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01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.399
<v Speaker 4>I'm doing well. So it's just TV black and white.

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01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:18.600
<v Speaker 4>It got yeah, you know, what what are we talking about?

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01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:21.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm gonna try and bring it into high definition

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01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:26.199
<v Speaker 1>if I can control myself. Buddy. Here, here's here's the thing.

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01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you. I was such a hoops fan

1268
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:33.560
<v Speaker 1>back then, back in my uh my mid and late twenties.

1269
01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:36.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean before that, I thought I could actually play basketball,

1270
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:38.279
<v Speaker 1>and I was a gym rat, and then I was

1271
01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.960
<v Speaker 1>in radio for a while, but I was still just

1272
01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:46.359
<v Speaker 1>absolutely a huge college hoops fan, especially of Vanderbilt. We

1273
01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:48.520
<v Speaker 1>lived in Nashville. I don't know why I never was

1274
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.640
<v Speaker 1>a UT fan. I will tell you a story about

1275
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:54.119
<v Speaker 1>that as we go along, about being a Vandy fan

1276
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:58.159
<v Speaker 1>going to Knoxville to watch Vandy play UT and absolutely

1277
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:01.439
<v Speaker 1>cleaning the Vall's clock, which I'm sure you'll appreciate. But

1278
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I remember I would get the Street and Smith's high

1279
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:08.520
<v Speaker 1>school and college yearbook every year so I could look

1280
01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:10.960
<v Speaker 1>at what my team was going to do according to

1281
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the prognosticators at Street and Smith. And I remember, I

1282
01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:19.920
<v Speaker 1>guess it was the late eighties. I saw Vanderbilt about

1283
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:23.039
<v Speaker 1>their new incoming freshman class and they say, they have

1284
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:27.880
<v Speaker 1>a seven footer out of Merritt Island, Florida. Who's you know,

1285
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you can't teach tall? Who was a big man that

1286
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:34.840
<v Speaker 1>could bring promise, you know, not maybe his freshman year,

1287
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:37.439
<v Speaker 1>but later on down the line to the Vanderbilt Commodores.

1288
01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:40.560
<v Speaker 1>And they were very prophetic with that because you, in fact,

1289
01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:46.199
<v Speaker 1>did become that final piece that this team needed to be,

1290
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:49.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, to be successful in the SEC and to

1291
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:51.960
<v Speaker 1>get all the way to the NCAA Tournament, the Big Dance.

1292
01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:57.119
<v Speaker 1>So what change between your freshman year and the time

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01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.079
<v Speaker 1>you were a senior and SEC Player of the Year, will.

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01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:03.000
<v Speaker 4>Well let me see how much time do we have.

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01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, we got about fifteen sixteen minutes. Can you condense it?

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01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.079
<v Speaker 4>So I think so, But it's I think the best

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01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:15.960
<v Speaker 4>way to put this is and in no specific order,

1299
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:26.600
<v Speaker 4>except for maybe some timeline was one was me finally

1300
01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:30.800
<v Speaker 4>figuring out what my priorities were because like most kids,

1301
01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:35.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, if you're not strictly disciplined. And I always

1302
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:39.119
<v Speaker 4>thought I was from a basketball standpoint, yeah, but there

1303
01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:44.479
<v Speaker 4>were other and basketball, to me was my number one priority.

1304
01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:47.920
<v Speaker 4>But there were other aspects in my life. And you know,

1305
01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:50.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm a teenager, so I'm not too concerned about it.

1306
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:56.359
<v Speaker 4>But you know, I didn't remind myself that I was

1307
01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:59.159
<v Speaker 4>at Vanderbilt. I wasn't at and I don't want to

1308
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:02.479
<v Speaker 4>mention any other names to kiss off any of your listeners,

1309
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:04.600
<v Speaker 4>but I would just say I wasn't at another university.

1310
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:10.640
<v Speaker 4>I was at Vanderbilt School. Yeah, how about that. I

1311
01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:14.680
<v Speaker 4>wasn't playing you know, other somewhere else. I was playing

1312
01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.840
<v Speaker 4>at Vanderbilt. I was playing for C. M. Newton, and

1313
01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:21.319
<v Speaker 4>priorities were mixed up. Now, part of that was from

1314
01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:26.880
<v Speaker 4>a distraction purpose. We don't have athletic dorms at Vanderbilt.

1315
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:28.760
<v Speaker 4>So I was you know, I kind of used a

1316
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:34.920
<v Speaker 4>jail term. I was amongst general population. So my roommate,

1317
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:39.680
<v Speaker 4>Glenn Clem was a basketball player, but the two guys

1318
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.079
<v Speaker 4>across the street weren't, and the two guys to the

1319
01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:45.119
<v Speaker 4>are right were not. So, you know, I get to

1320
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:50.439
<v Speaker 4>get to Vannerbilt, and you know, like most college kids,

1321
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:52.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm not playing whiffletball at one in the morning in

1322
01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:57.640
<v Speaker 4>the hallways playing pranks on each other because it was fun.

1323
01:14:57.680 --> 01:14:59.880
<v Speaker 4>I was having a good time. This was my outlet.

1324
01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:03.319
<v Speaker 4>But what I didn't realize was I wasn't getting enough sleep,

1325
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:09.960
<v Speaker 4>I didn't have my priorities right, and I literally almost

1326
01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:13.079
<v Speaker 4>plunked out of school. My GPA, I think after my

1327
01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:14.920
<v Speaker 4>freshman year, was like a one nine.

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01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:16.199
<v Speaker 1>That didn't work at Vandy.

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01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:20.399
<v Speaker 4>Uh No, C. M. Newton sat me down, had a

1330
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:24.960
<v Speaker 4>stern talk with me. Remember seem Newton hardly ever.

1331
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Score.

1332
01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:32.399
<v Speaker 4>So when he would occasionally pull out the foul word

1333
01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:35.560
<v Speaker 4>or one of those four letter words, literally you would like,

1334
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:38.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, like the gyp, your head would snap back

1335
01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:38.720
<v Speaker 4>and you.

1336
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Can't believe that CM is using profane language.

1337
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:45.520
<v Speaker 4>That is correct. That's how that's that's how you know

1338
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:49.119
<v Speaker 4>little he used it, but he had a few choice

1339
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:52.760
<v Speaker 4>words to say. He gave me an opportunity to transfer

1340
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:55.680
<v Speaker 4>or stick it out. I chose to stick it out.

1341
01:15:55.760 --> 01:16:01.399
<v Speaker 4>I red shirted and I became the pupil one John Bostic.

1342
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:05.359
<v Speaker 4>Meaning my first semester of my red shirt year, which

1343
01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:09.800
<v Speaker 4>was now my second year on campus, I had to

1344
01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:12.399
<v Speaker 4>be over at the Magoogain, which was one of the

1345
01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:15.760
<v Speaker 4>buildings over there at the Athletic department. At six am.

1346
01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:18.920
<v Speaker 4>We would do a forty five minute workout that I

1347
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:22.079
<v Speaker 4>was literally, I kid you not, would walk out on

1348
01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:25.560
<v Speaker 4>all fours because I was so tired. At times, I

1349
01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:31.199
<v Speaker 4>did get sick, grab a quick meal, take a shower,

1350
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:36.279
<v Speaker 4>and get to my eight am class. Then I'd have

1351
01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:38.520
<v Speaker 4>to go to practice, which is always started at three

1352
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:41.399
<v Speaker 4>o'clock to five o'clock. Then I had to go to

1353
01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:44.239
<v Speaker 4>study hall, and I was the only player on the team.

1354
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:46.880
<v Speaker 4>There was no such thing as study hall. It was

1355
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:50.880
<v Speaker 4>a one person study hall, and I did that for

1356
01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:54.279
<v Speaker 4>a semester and I wasn't allowed to travel with the

1357
01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:58.359
<v Speaker 4>team either. That first semester, I could only practice and

1358
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:00.600
<v Speaker 4>then I would sit on the bench at home games

1359
01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:03.560
<v Speaker 4>wearing a sweatsuit. Knowing that I wasn't going to play.

1360
01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:07.600
<v Speaker 4>The second semester kind of lightened up a little bit.

1361
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:11.800
<v Speaker 4>I was able to travel periodically, but I learned my lesson.

1362
01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:14.920
<v Speaker 4>I got my priority straight. And then the second thing

1363
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:18.680
<v Speaker 4>was a gentleman by the name of Ed Martin came in.

1364
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:20.439
<v Speaker 1>That's who I was going to ask you about. The

1365
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:24.239
<v Speaker 1>old coach from TSU who CM had brought into the

1366
01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:26.399
<v Speaker 1>Vanderbilt fold to help big men.

1367
01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:29.159
<v Speaker 4>Specifically, Yeah, we had I think it was John mcclennan

1368
01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:32.520
<v Speaker 4>had passed away. Unfortunately they needed an assistant coach. He

1369
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:36.520
<v Speaker 4>tagged at Martin and I became his project. And also

1370
01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:40.199
<v Speaker 4>there was a female player by the name of Wendy

1371
01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:46.439
<v Speaker 4>Schultens who kind of became a project of Ed Martin's

1372
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:48.319
<v Speaker 4>as well, since we both played center, and I think

1373
01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:51.079
<v Speaker 4>she's got a bunch of records now over at Vanderbilt,

1374
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:54.000
<v Speaker 4>and we kind of worked out together. We did early

1375
01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:58.600
<v Speaker 4>morning runs out of the hills of Nashville, all kinds

1376
01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:03.239
<v Speaker 4>of things, and it just things slowly started to come together.

1377
01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:05.840
<v Speaker 4>And also one of the big things was a former

1378
01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:10.479
<v Speaker 4>State of Kentucky guy, Brett Burrow, was a pretty good player.

1379
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:13.399
<v Speaker 4>He left and that opened up the position for me.

1380
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:16.079
<v Speaker 4>And then, as most people know, for my junior year

1381
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:17.640
<v Speaker 4>and my senior year, I just took off.

1382
01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:21.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a there was a referee in particular

1383
01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:24.760
<v Speaker 1>that did not like Vanderbilt for some reason and certainly

1384
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:26.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't like you. And I remember it was a game

1385
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:30.840
<v Speaker 1>against Florida and I think you got two technical fouls

1386
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:34.239
<v Speaker 1>at the end. What was his name? You got to

1387
01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:38.840
<v Speaker 1>remember this ref's name, and I know I don't, and

1388
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.199
<v Speaker 1>it's escaping me now, but I learned it cost it

1389
01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:44.199
<v Speaker 1>costs Vandy the game though, I remember.

1390
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:47.880
<v Speaker 4>That, right. I I learned this early on in my

1391
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:51.279
<v Speaker 4>career because I was a little I had a little temper,

1392
01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:59.359
<v Speaker 4>and I made a I specifically would not learn officials

1393
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:03.640
<v Speaker 4>names because I knew that if I learned an officials' names,

1394
01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:05.319
<v Speaker 4>and it's got me in trouble a few times in

1395
01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:08.680
<v Speaker 4>the NBA, because you saw these guys so many times

1396
01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:12.439
<v Speaker 4>sure game season that if I used the guy's name,

1397
01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.479
<v Speaker 4>he knew I was talking directly to him.

1398
01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

1399
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:19.000
<v Speaker 4>And and you know, I didn't get enough technicals where

1400
01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:21.279
<v Speaker 4>I got kicked out. I got kicked out occasionally, but

1401
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:24.159
<v Speaker 4>you know, technicals in the NBA cost you money.

1402
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, so it was Clawfordy.

1403
01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:29.840
<v Speaker 4>Point not to learn officials name.

1404
01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a guy named Clawfordy in my career.

1405
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:34.239
<v Speaker 4>So that you know, so I tried to stay out

1406
01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:34.720
<v Speaker 4>of trouble.

1407
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:39.159
<v Speaker 1>The guy named Clawfordy I believe was the guy's name. Anyway, Yeah,

1408
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:42.560
<v Speaker 1>as a basketball fan and an art and Vandy basketball fan.

1409
01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:44.079
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I came out. I was working for a

1410
01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:46.680
<v Speaker 1>radio station in Nashville at the time, and I came

1411
01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:48.800
<v Speaker 1>out and met you guys at the airport and was

1412
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:53.600
<v Speaker 1>doing reports over my primitive cell phone at the time.

1413
01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:55.520
<v Speaker 1>When you got back from New York from the n

1414
01:19:55.680 --> 01:20:01.119
<v Speaker 1>t H. I was always a Michael Jordan even before

1415
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:03.800
<v Speaker 1>he played his first game in the NBA. So I

1416
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:07.039
<v Speaker 1>instantly became a Bulls fan when they drafted him. And

1417
01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:08.800
<v Speaker 1>of course it took a couple of years before they

1418
01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:11.960
<v Speaker 1>even got to the playoffs, and then they started, you know,

1419
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:18.680
<v Speaker 1>their incredible run under Phil winning the six NBA championships,

1420
01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:22.279
<v Speaker 1>of which you were a part of three. What is

1421
01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:27.159
<v Speaker 1>there one memorable thing outside of winning those championships? Is

1422
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:29.560
<v Speaker 1>there one memorable thing that you took away from your

1423
01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:32.439
<v Speaker 1>time with the Bulls that you wanted to relate or tell.

1424
01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:34.119
<v Speaker 5>Well.

1425
01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:36.159
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's a lot of things, but the one

1426
01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:40.560
<v Speaker 4>thing that really always stands out is that first championship

1427
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:45.520
<v Speaker 4>that we won against the Lakers. You know, the Lakers

1428
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:48.600
<v Speaker 4>had the experience, they had Magic Johnson, they had guys

1429
01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:51.960
<v Speaker 4>that have won championships. We weren't supposed to win, even

1430
01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:54.279
<v Speaker 4>though we had Michael Jordan, even though he had just

1431
01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:58.640
<v Speaker 4>swept to Detroit Pistons four to hero. But you know,

1432
01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:00.600
<v Speaker 4>they just talked about, well, we weren't quite ready for

1433
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:04.880
<v Speaker 4>that stage yet. And we end up winning for to one,

1434
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:07.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, and we lose game one at home. I

1435
01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:10.399
<v Speaker 4>remember the lead late, we gave it up, we lose,

1436
01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:13.359
<v Speaker 4>we're down one zero, and then guess what, we went

1437
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:15.680
<v Speaker 4>four straight games. But it wasn't even that. It was

1438
01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:21.720
<v Speaker 4>it was seeing guys that I had looked up to

1439
01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:24.880
<v Speaker 4>as grown men, guys that I had gone to battle with,

1440
01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:29.960
<v Speaker 4>guys that I had literally fought with in practice. But

1441
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:34.000
<v Speaker 4>just just seeing the release of emotions of everybody seen

1442
01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:38.359
<v Speaker 4>the film of Michael Jordan hugging, hugging, Hilarry O'Brian trophy,

1443
01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:41.880
<v Speaker 4>crying and his dad rubbing his shoulders. But it wasn't

1444
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.760
<v Speaker 4>just him. The guy that I had become really close

1445
01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:48.880
<v Speaker 4>with was Bill Cartwright, who had been through a very

1446
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:51.720
<v Speaker 4>roller coaster career, most notably because of injuries.

1447
01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean, I mean Bill Cartwright at the

1448
01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:57.000
<v Speaker 1>end of his career, basically both knees were completely shot.

1449
01:21:57.359 --> 01:21:57.920
<v Speaker 1>You could tell.

1450
01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:01.119
<v Speaker 4>But I think it's unfortunately because people forgot how good

1451
01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:03.399
<v Speaker 4>he was. This is a guy coming out of the

1452
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:05.520
<v Speaker 4>University of San Francisco, was on the cover of Sports

1453
01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:06.319
<v Speaker 4>Illustrated that I.

1454
01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Remembered he was.

1455
01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I had that copy. That's how that's how big of

1456
01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:12.479
<v Speaker 1>a basketball fan I was at the time. Will So yeah,

1457
01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:12.720
<v Speaker 1>I know.

1458
01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:16.000
<v Speaker 4>But it's just seeing that release of emotion in that

1459
01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:22.359
<v Speaker 4>locker room afterwards, because of the adversity that these players

1460
01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:29.720
<v Speaker 4>had dealt with tysically, emotionally, you know, it was just

1461
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:32.800
<v Speaker 4>I was, quite honestly, I was stunned. You know. I

1462
01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:35.119
<v Speaker 4>thought that when we win this championship, we're all going

1463
01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:38.039
<v Speaker 4>to celebrate, which we did, but I didn't expect that,

1464
01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:41.359
<v Speaker 4>and that kind of was an eye opening for me

1465
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:44.079
<v Speaker 4>in the sense that it just this is because I

1466
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:49.199
<v Speaker 4>was still young, you know, this is what my third

1467
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:52.199
<v Speaker 4>year in the league, right, long ways to go. I'm

1468
01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:55.039
<v Speaker 4>just I'm still green behind the years. I'm still trying

1469
01:22:55.039 --> 01:22:57.680
<v Speaker 4>to figure it out. And these guys that didn't put

1470
01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:00.800
<v Speaker 4>so much into this this game, into this league, into

1471
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:04.279
<v Speaker 4>their careers. That's kind of when it hit me, you

1472
01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:07.720
<v Speaker 4>know what the NBA was, what it stood for, how

1473
01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:12.720
<v Speaker 4>much work you have to put in, both emotionally and physically,

1474
01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:17.640
<v Speaker 4>and it just that kind of changed my approach, That

1475
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:22.319
<v Speaker 4>changed my mentality, you know, and it just kind of was,

1476
01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:24.720
<v Speaker 4>as I said, very eye opening and it's always stuck

1477
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:27.159
<v Speaker 4>with me to be a part of that and just

1478
01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:28.079
<v Speaker 4>experienced that.

1479
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Will Purdue as our guest for the next few minutes,

1480
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan. How much of a you hear this time

1481
01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and time again about Michael Jordan. It didn't didn't just

1482
01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:41.640
<v Speaker 1>relate to basketball. It related to anything that he participated

1483
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:45.319
<v Speaker 1>in as a game, as an activity, as a sport.

1484
01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:51.720
<v Speaker 1>How much of that competitive just relentlessness rubbed off on

1485
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:53.800
<v Speaker 1>you and the other players around Michael Jordan?

1486
01:23:56.600 --> 01:24:03.760
<v Speaker 4>It was the fabric of what's our team became because

1487
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:05.520
<v Speaker 4>one of the things we used to always talk about.

1488
01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:08.079
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't like the games were easy, I mean not

1489
01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:11.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, underplay exactly what was going on, but it

1490
01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:15.680
<v Speaker 4>just the games were easier than practice. That's how competitive

1491
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:19.640
<v Speaker 4>practices were because of Michael. And that's one of the

1492
01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:23.279
<v Speaker 4>many things. Yeah, we we were very skilled. We had

1493
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:26.359
<v Speaker 4>a lot of talent, but I mean you laced it

1494
01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:30.600
<v Speaker 4>up when you came to practice. I meaning you you

1495
01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:32.840
<v Speaker 4>may not have your A game in a game, you

1496
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:34.720
<v Speaker 4>may not have your A game in practice, but those

1497
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.359
<v Speaker 4>practices taught you how to be effective if you didn't.

1498
01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Have your A game.

1499
01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:43.199
<v Speaker 4>And that was all about competing every day, every play,

1500
01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:46.640
<v Speaker 4>every minute. You know, there was no taking time off.

1501
01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:50.239
<v Speaker 4>And that started with him, and that permeated the fabric

1502
01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:53.399
<v Speaker 4>everybody on that team. And that just that's one of

1503
01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:56.840
<v Speaker 4>the many things along with skill that made this team

1504
01:24:56.920 --> 01:24:59.439
<v Speaker 4>so good. Was is it, you know, just our ability

1505
01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:01.359
<v Speaker 4>to compete every single night?

1506
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean every minute. I heard a story and

1507
01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you know if that was true

1508
01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:09.439
<v Speaker 1>or not, but when the Bulls lost in the conference

1509
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:12.359
<v Speaker 1>finals the year before that first NBA Championship to the

1510
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Detroit Pistons, what I heard was is that Michael had

1511
01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>built a court at his house and during the off

1512
01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:23.159
<v Speaker 1>season he had Scottie Pippen and Hoe Grant over to

1513
01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:27.479
<v Speaker 1>his house. During the off season every morning to practice defense,

1514
01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:30.439
<v Speaker 1>and that kind of sounds like what you're talking about,

1515
01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>just a dogged determination to compete and to so I mean,

1516
01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:38.560
<v Speaker 1>I can imagine that being kind of a meat grinder

1517
01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:41.199
<v Speaker 1>until you got your mind in that mode of saying,

1518
01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:43.119
<v Speaker 1>you know what, this is, how it is, this is

1519
01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:44.000
<v Speaker 1>what it takes to win.

1520
01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:47.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it does. And you know what, I tell people

1521
01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:51.640
<v Speaker 4>this all the time. Everybody talks about, you know, the

1522
01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:56.239
<v Speaker 4>whole thirty thirty for you know, ESPN, and yeah, the

1523
01:25:56.279 --> 01:25:59.479
<v Speaker 4>whole thing. But I thought what they did, and I

1524
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:01.520
<v Speaker 4>always try to make sure I'm very clear with this,

1525
01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:04.399
<v Speaker 4>I thought they did an excellent job of showing what

1526
01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:07.680
<v Speaker 4>it was like to be a teammate of Michael's. You know,

1527
01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:11.319
<v Speaker 4>at first, it was it was hard, you know, it

1528
01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:14.199
<v Speaker 4>was difficult because of the expectations he not only had

1529
01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:18.359
<v Speaker 4>for himself, but everybody every the expectations he had for

1530
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:21.600
<v Speaker 4>everybody in that locker room. Okay, and it took you

1531
01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:25.399
<v Speaker 4>a while to win his respect. Number two, I thought

1532
01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:27.439
<v Speaker 4>he did an excellent job of showing what it was like,

1533
01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, to be on those bulls teams and travel

1534
01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:34.000
<v Speaker 4>and play, and I thought that was, you know, the goal.

1535
01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:36.279
<v Speaker 4>But I also tell you know, people are like, well,

1536
01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:38.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, Michael didn't want people to see certain things.

1537
01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:42.239
<v Speaker 4>Well that's not true because the only thing, yes, Michael

1538
01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:45.680
<v Speaker 4>had final say so. But the only thing that Michael

1539
01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:50.359
<v Speaker 4>changed in any of those ten episodes was he went

1540
01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:53.359
<v Speaker 4>to the producer and said, listen, you need to put

1541
01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:56.279
<v Speaker 4>in that game winning shot that I hit against the

1542
01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:59.079
<v Speaker 4>Atlanta Hawks right before we went to New York and

1543
01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:01.560
<v Speaker 4>I scored fifty five because I thought that would help.

1544
01:27:01.840 --> 01:27:04.359
<v Speaker 4>I think that will help explain the context of scoring

1545
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:07.560
<v Speaker 4>fifty five against the Knicks. He didn't cut anything out.

1546
01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:10.560
<v Speaker 4>That was all he did was add that he.

1547
01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Wanted to add something instead of cut something out.

1548
01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:15.359
<v Speaker 4>So now the producer always talked about maybe we should

1549
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:17.359
<v Speaker 4>have tried to put in more, but I think they

1550
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:19.439
<v Speaker 4>did an excellent job of showing what that was like.

1551
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:30.760
<v Speaker 4>Because I've always said, you know, Michael Kobe, you know

1552
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:35.119
<v Speaker 4>Kevin Garnett. Yeah, guys, that just they they want to

1553
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:38.159
<v Speaker 4>win at all costs. And that's the one thing I

1554
01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:42.520
<v Speaker 4>also tell people to focus on those three words at

1555
01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:46.039
<v Speaker 4>all costs. And when I say that, I mean that

1556
01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:55.119
<v Speaker 4>I just had all costs at basketball, personally, emotionally, sacrificing relationships. Sure,

1557
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.479
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's just and some people, you know, may

1558
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:03.239
<v Speaker 4>say that's just not right. Well that's what separates great

1559
01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:08.279
<v Speaker 4>Hall of Famers, goats the best of all times, from superstars,

1560
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:10.279
<v Speaker 4>all stars and other players.

1561
01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>So it was I mean, just like a minute laugh,

1562
01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:18.039
<v Speaker 1>what's life for? What's life like for? Will Perdue these days?

1563
01:28:20.159 --> 01:28:23.800
<v Speaker 4>Well, hey, this is talking about taking advantage of a situation.

1564
01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:26.159
<v Speaker 4>The Bulls are supposed to have a game tonight and

1565
01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:30.279
<v Speaker 4>I do pre half and posts for NBC Sports Chicago.

1566
01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:32.520
<v Speaker 4>So normally I would have been working tonight, but I

1567
01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:34.640
<v Speaker 4>was able to come on your show and thank you

1568
01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:37.119
<v Speaker 4>do that, and then I try to work on my

1569
01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:39.479
<v Speaker 4>golf game in the offseason. You know, I got a

1570
01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:43.319
<v Speaker 4>son that's eighteen and a senior at Trinity High School

1571
01:28:43.319 --> 01:28:46.720
<v Speaker 4>in Louisville. He's a lacrosse player, so I'm looking forward

1572
01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:49.840
<v Speaker 4>to That's where I'll spend my spring at lacrosse games.

1573
01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:52.000
<v Speaker 4>And then he'll be going off to college next year,

1574
01:28:52.840 --> 01:28:55.479
<v Speaker 4>so you know, and those people in Ohio will be

1575
01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:57.760
<v Speaker 4>happy to know that he's looking at Miami. Ohio is

1576
01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:00.600
<v Speaker 4>one of his schools. Now, I'm not sure where end up,

1577
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:03.720
<v Speaker 4>but that's just kind of what my life consists of now.

1578
01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:05.720
<v Speaker 4>And I spent a lot of time in Chicago because

1579
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:08.520
<v Speaker 4>my wife, we live in the city, and she has

1580
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:10.439
<v Speaker 4>a very good job here. So I'm just kind of

1581
01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:15.439
<v Speaker 4>shuttling back and forth between work, personal life, my son's schedule,

1582
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:17.199
<v Speaker 4>so it keeps me on my coast.

1583
01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:19.479
<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to thank you number one for coming on,

1584
01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:23.159
<v Speaker 1>and number two, more importantly for me personally, is I

1585
01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:25.279
<v Speaker 1>want to thank you for all the great memories you

1586
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>gave me as a college basketball and a professional basketball fan,

1587
01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>both for the Vanderbilt Commodoors and the Chicago Bulls. Thank

1588
01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:32.439
<v Speaker 1>you so much.

1589
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.079
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate it. And I had one question for you

1590
01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:38.479
<v Speaker 4>real quick. Yeah, where are all those streets in Smith's

1591
01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:41.720
<v Speaker 4>Where are all those sports illustrators? Because those things are

1592
01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:42.159
<v Speaker 4>worth a.

1593
01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Lot of money now, Yeah, I know, so are my

1594
01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>baseball collections when I was eight that I put in

1595
01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the spokes of bicycle tires when I was a kid

1596
01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:54.079
<v Speaker 1>not understanding. So there's somewhere out there that's all of us.

1597
01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:54.359
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1598
01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:57.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't have them anymore, but I have I owe

1599
01:29:57.079 --> 01:29:58.279
<v Speaker 1>all our memories.

1600
01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:01.399
<v Speaker 4>And oh well that you'll never lose.

1601
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Nope, exactly.

1602
01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:04.640
<v Speaker 4>Very Jeff I appreciate it. Man, thank you so much.

1603
01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:06.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad we were able to catch up. And I

1604
01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:10.560
<v Speaker 4>will say this, Scott Brown was a great teammate. He

1605
01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:13.600
<v Speaker 4>was a guy that was a little rowdy and during

1606
01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:15.960
<v Speaker 4>his Vandabilt days. And I always laugh when I'm saying

1607
01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:20.399
<v Speaker 4>this guy is modeling and molding our future. That's kind

1608
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:20.880
<v Speaker 4>of scary.

1609
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell Shooter you said that. Well, you know who'll

1610
01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>talk to you will. Thank you so much.

1611
01:30:30.680 --> 01:30:32.399
<v Speaker 4>All right, Gary, Jet, thank you, take care.

1612
01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:38.239
<v Speaker 1>We'll purdue on the nightcap on seven hundred WLW. We

1613
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>continue our hour long conversation on this Memorial Day evening

1614
01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:46.319
<v Speaker 1>with the Great loll Ponte. You're on seven hundred WLWT. Gary,

1615
01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:49.479
<v Speaker 1>Jeff and Lowell. We were talking about cigarettes not being

1616
01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:53.840
<v Speaker 1>addictive but habituating, and it was it was interesting while

1617
01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about cigarettes and you're not a smoker.

1618
01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:58.399
<v Speaker 1>I haven't had one for forty five years. You started coughing.

1619
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:03.039
<v Speaker 1>I hope you're okay, okay, I'm okay. Yeah, you said

1620
01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you kept it from It took me back.

1621
01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.960
<v Speaker 5>To my childhood. I would smoke in the crib.

1622
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, you said that the reason you never got hooked

1623
01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:14.359
<v Speaker 1>on cigarettes is because you would what.

1624
01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:20.039
<v Speaker 5>I would smoke only those cigarettes I could bum from friends,

1625
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:23.560
<v Speaker 5>and of course, after two weeks of that, they would

1626
01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:25.479
<v Speaker 5>cease to be my friend and I'd have to go

1627
01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:29.119
<v Speaker 5>find someone else who could borrow cigarettes and.

1628
01:31:29.079 --> 01:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>A spare nail. But anyway, we're talking about the addictive

1629
01:31:33.039 --> 01:31:40.439
<v Speaker 1>nature of meta and of the Internet and the little

1630
01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>screens in front of us, and how it changes our

1631
01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:46.319
<v Speaker 1>brains because of the spikes and dopamine that it produces.

1632
01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:50.279
<v Speaker 1>And the purveyors of all this know this very well.

1633
01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:52.039
<v Speaker 1>They've known it for a long time.

1634
01:31:52.600 --> 01:31:58.760
<v Speaker 5>That I said, the Valdi shooter made three postings I'm

1635
01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:01.319
<v Speaker 5>about to kill kids, I have killed kids and so

1636
01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:05.720
<v Speaker 5>on Facebook. Yep, I mean he was to some degree

1637
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:09.159
<v Speaker 5>a Facebook junkie. Was certainly a fame seeker in that sense,

1638
01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:13.319
<v Speaker 5>and a very peculiar person. We don't have a full

1639
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:18.159
<v Speaker 5>picture of him yet by any means, but he was strange. Meanwhile,

1640
01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:22.319
<v Speaker 5>this first president of Facebook, looking back on it, said,

1641
01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:27.199
<v Speaker 5>Facebook literally changes your relationship with society, with each other.

1642
01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:32.239
<v Speaker 5>God only knows what it's doing to our children's brains.

1643
01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:36.720
<v Speaker 5>That's the president of Facebook. No wonder that in the

1644
01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:40.119
<v Speaker 5>California legislature there is a bill right now that would

1645
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:44.039
<v Speaker 5>give individual parents the right to sue Facebook for up

1646
01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:47.800
<v Speaker 5>to twenty five thousand dollars if they could plausibly argue

1647
01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:52.840
<v Speaker 5>that it had altered their child's eating habits self image,

1648
01:32:53.960 --> 01:32:58.079
<v Speaker 5>any kind of shift that would be deemed addictive and

1649
01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:02.399
<v Speaker 5>hence medically harmful. So that actually has passed the lower

1650
01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:07.079
<v Speaker 5>house of state legislature in California so far. And it's

1651
01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:11.000
<v Speaker 5>an interesting argument to make because we don't know the

1652
01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:15.279
<v Speaker 5>extent of which Facebook is actually a factor in the

1653
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:18.159
<v Speaker 5>minds of these shooters, but we know that the minds

1654
01:33:18.159 --> 01:33:21.199
<v Speaker 5>of a whole lot of young people are being broken

1655
01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:29.279
<v Speaker 5>down by the way. Nearly half of LGBTQ teams said

1656
01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:33.640
<v Speaker 5>they had contemplated suicide during the pandemic, compared with fourteen

1657
01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:38.479
<v Speaker 5>percent of their heterosexual peers. Sadness among white teens seems

1658
01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:41.920
<v Speaker 5>to be rising faster than among other groups. And why

1659
01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:46.920
<v Speaker 5>not They're being systematically persecuted in the society.

1660
01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Strictly because of the color of their skin.

1661
01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:53.319
<v Speaker 5>Yes, oh, absolutely, and because, of course Democrats do have

1662
01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:57.880
<v Speaker 5>every reason for revenge in the pure sense. After all,

1663
01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:01.600
<v Speaker 5>white America has not a majority who voted for a

1664
01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:08.359
<v Speaker 5>Democratic presidential candidate since the time of Lyndon Johnson. People

1665
01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:11.600
<v Speaker 5>are are one group in the society that's utterly immune,

1666
01:34:12.520 --> 01:34:17.439
<v Speaker 5>well partly immune to the poison the Democrats deal in

1667
01:34:17.479 --> 01:34:19.720
<v Speaker 5>the poison of hate and so on. The cost Elon

1668
01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:23.279
<v Speaker 5>Musk to say he used to vote Democrat, but now

1669
01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:26.439
<v Speaker 5>that they've become the party of hate and division, he

1670
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:27.600
<v Speaker 5>really can't anymore.

1671
01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:32.880
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting to see that Elon has now pretty much

1672
01:34:32.960 --> 01:34:39.359
<v Speaker 1>given up on buying Twitter after all because of and

1673
01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:45.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's exactly the case, but interesting

1674
01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:49.039
<v Speaker 1>when it was so many of us had held out

1675
01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:52.399
<v Speaker 1>hope that one of these social media platforms would actually

1676
01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:57.079
<v Speaker 1>be a level playing field for ideas.

1677
01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:03.439
<v Speaker 5>Among other things. Elon Musk had some hope that Trump

1678
01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:07.880
<v Speaker 5>would come over to Twitter again become a major draw

1679
01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:10.000
<v Speaker 5>on the side, and of course when he chose not

1680
01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:16.199
<v Speaker 5>to preferring his own site, that was disquieting, but to

1681
01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:19.439
<v Speaker 5>go back to Facebook, which is more system and groups

1682
01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:24.680
<v Speaker 5>that are owned by Facebook, like Instagram, use the similar technique.

1683
01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:30.560
<v Speaker 5>A former Facebook vice president has said, I think we

1684
01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:34.319
<v Speaker 5>have created tools that are ripping apart the social fabric

1685
01:35:34.760 --> 01:35:39.479
<v Speaker 5>of how society works. And he's not referring just too

1686
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:44.840
<v Speaker 5>or even mainly to the manipulation that these giant websites

1687
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:49.840
<v Speaker 5>with their special government privilege, engage in. Remember these are

1688
01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:54.279
<v Speaker 5>our crony companies to the Democratic Party in big government.

1689
01:35:55.039 --> 01:35:59.520
<v Speaker 5>They depend on government giving them a special status and.

1690
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>You're talking you're talking about Section two thirty right, yeah, okay.

1691
01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:06.840
<v Speaker 5>Which allows them to have all the benefits of being

1692
01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:10.079
<v Speaker 5>a common carrier like the phone company, and all the

1693
01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:17.000
<v Speaker 5>benefits of being able to edit without taking blame for

1694
01:36:17.119 --> 01:36:21.359
<v Speaker 5>what that editing does. Normally, if you're a magazine, you

1695
01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:26.439
<v Speaker 5>can be sued for doing editing that is destructive. You

1696
01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:30.479
<v Speaker 5>are held responsible for your edit. But these big companies

1697
01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:33.520
<v Speaker 5>like Facebook have arranged things in such a way with

1698
01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:38.640
<v Speaker 5>lawmakers that they are exempt from being sued, and they

1699
01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:45.359
<v Speaker 5>are exempt from having to carry everybody equally, so they

1700
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:50.840
<v Speaker 5>get all the benefit of manipulating the political environment on

1701
01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:54.680
<v Speaker 5>their website as they wish, and of course do so

1702
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:59.560
<v Speaker 5>in a purely ideological way. For that it appears I

1703
01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:02.520
<v Speaker 5>say that because if you are a leftist then you

1704
01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:06.479
<v Speaker 5>happen to be a mass murderer. There is no problem

1705
01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:10.399
<v Speaker 5>at all you're appearing on Twitter or Facebook or whatever.

1706
01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:15.159
<v Speaker 5>It's only if you're Donald Trump or some Republican that

1707
01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:16.399
<v Speaker 5>you're considered unfit.

1708
01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>The last time I checked, President Trump had not been

1709
01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:28.760
<v Speaker 1>actually guilty of perpetrating any kind of violent crime on anyone.

1710
01:37:29.319 --> 01:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>And I know there are people that point to January sixth,

1711
01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:36.119
<v Speaker 1>and he personally endorsed breaking into the Capitol, which he

1712
01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>did not. He personally endorsed violence, which he has never done.

1713
01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:43.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, all of this, and they point to him

1714
01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:46.520
<v Speaker 1>saying at a rally, somebody ought to go punch him out.

1715
01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:50.239
<v Speaker 1>And you know, that's about as violent as Donald Trump

1716
01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:52.760
<v Speaker 1>has ever gotten in public, in any kind of forum.

1717
01:37:52.920 --> 01:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>To my knowledge, he is not endorsed or engendered any

1718
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:04.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of violence against another human being, and yet he

1719
01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:07.039
<v Speaker 1>gets blamed for it. Yet, I mean, I see the distinction,

1720
01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:08.399
<v Speaker 1>and I see the.

1721
01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:15.199
<v Speaker 5>Contradiction and where Trump has behaved that way. Remember it's

1722
01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:18.239
<v Speaker 5>when they would ask the police stop this person who's

1723
01:38:18.279 --> 01:38:19.600
<v Speaker 5>disrupting our rally.

1724
01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the.

1725
01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:24.560
<v Speaker 5>Police are told, I'm sorry, we've received orders from the

1726
01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:28.119
<v Speaker 5>Democrat mayor of this town or whatever not to intervene.

1727
01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

1728
01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:34.199
<v Speaker 5>In other words, when people are not given protection, the

1729
01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:36.680
<v Speaker 5>only response of Democrats is, how can we take away

1730
01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:39.119
<v Speaker 5>your guns so you are not able to protect yourself

1731
01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:39.840
<v Speaker 5>in any way.

1732
01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is a good point Lowell I think to

1733
01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>make is that in Uvalde there wasn't a school resource officers.

1734
01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>It was first reported who was armed. No one on

1735
01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:54.079
<v Speaker 1>that campus was armed. And yeah, there were all kinds

1736
01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of a tragedy of errors you could say that led

1737
01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:00.640
<v Speaker 1>up to the slaughter of these nineteen Pressures children and

1738
01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:07.399
<v Speaker 1>the two teachers who were gunned down. But the police

1739
01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:12.079
<v Speaker 1>always in every situation, and to blame the police, I

1740
01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>think is a little half witted, to be sure, and

1741
01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:21.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe more so. But the other thing is if you

1742
01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:23.800
<v Speaker 1>have someone who was trained in armed whether it be

1743
01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:28.479
<v Speaker 1>a teacher, a principal, and administrator whatever, inside that school

1744
01:39:28.880 --> 01:39:33.800
<v Speaker 1>which did not exist, the police always. I think police

1745
01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:38.119
<v Speaker 1>generally do a fantastic job of protecting and serving, but

1746
01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:42.159
<v Speaker 1>they're there. They're called after something has begune, whether it's

1747
01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:46.399
<v Speaker 1>a robbery, whether it's a shooting, whether it's an assault.

1748
01:39:46.800 --> 01:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>The police are there to clean up and to hopefully

1749
01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>apprehend the perpetrator. But your first line of defense is

1750
01:39:55.840 --> 01:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>you in a society that allows polite, law abiding citizens

1751
01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>to carry firearms. If someone is inside that school trained

1752
01:40:07.039 --> 01:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>with a gun, and the perpetrator has no idea who

1753
01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:14.760
<v Speaker 1>that person is. You know, all the better, all the

1754
01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:18.439
<v Speaker 1>better to protect people. The police are kind of like

1755
01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:25.800
<v Speaker 1>a second wave, coming in after the crime has been initiated. Correct, correct.

1756
01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:29.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And by the way, the Border patrol which supplied

1757
01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:34.319
<v Speaker 5>the expert who went in and finally took out the

1758
01:40:34.399 --> 01:40:40.039
<v Speaker 5>Uvaldi shooter that even though they were delayed by thirty

1759
01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:43.560
<v Speaker 5>minutes or more from being allowed by local police to

1760
01:40:43.720 --> 01:40:49.760
<v Speaker 5>enter the school, that person got a bullet hole through

1761
01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:53.359
<v Speaker 5>his beanie. I mean, he was just wearing a golf cap,

1762
01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:57.680
<v Speaker 5>which amazed me. Why wasn't he wearing an armored helmet?

1763
01:40:58.199 --> 01:41:00.279
<v Speaker 1>No, no kidding, no kid.

1764
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:01.920
<v Speaker 8>It was truly surprising.

1765
01:41:03.119 --> 01:41:06.840
<v Speaker 5>But understand the kind of environment that we're now seen

1766
01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:11.319
<v Speaker 5>the more time. This is from the American Journal of

1767
01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:16.479
<v Speaker 5>Epinemiology in twenty seventeen. They looked at Facebook programming and

1768
01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:20.720
<v Speaker 5>they said the more time people spend liking posts or

1769
01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:24.880
<v Speaker 5>updating their Facebook status, the less happy they felt.

1770
01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh I can believe that.

1771
01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1772
01:41:28.920 --> 01:41:32.840
<v Speaker 5>So, I mean, this is basically an exercise that, at

1773
01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:39.039
<v Speaker 5>a minimum seems to deplete little things like well useful

1774
01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:43.680
<v Speaker 5>chemicals in the brain in order to keep you hooked

1775
01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:46.640
<v Speaker 5>on doing things like a trained monkey and don't shock

1776
01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:49.159
<v Speaker 5>the monkey, ladies and gentlemen.

1777
01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I can gauge my personal happiness pretty high at this point,

1778
01:41:55.960 --> 01:41:58.520
<v Speaker 1>although I do have my moments, my fits of anger

1779
01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:01.840
<v Speaker 1>and frustration at times, mostly at what's going on around

1780
01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>me in the real world. But I have never participated

1781
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>in Facebook. I tried Twitter for about, I don't know,

1782
01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:13.199
<v Speaker 1>three or four months, and was not on it every day.

1783
01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I did not tweet every day, but I found it

1784
01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>to be pretty much an environment of hate and sadness itself,

1785
01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:25.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, a showcase of those things. And I rate

1786
01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>my level of happiness fairly high. Now. I have a

1787
01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:31.159
<v Speaker 1>wife that loves me, or at least I believe she does,

1788
01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:35.720
<v Speaker 1>and I love her. I have a pretty good life.

1789
01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't make a lot of money, but money is

1790
01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:40.640
<v Speaker 1>not the key to happiness. And I think one of

1791
01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:43.399
<v Speaker 1>the reasons that I have this level of happiness is

1792
01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:49.119
<v Speaker 1>that I'm not surrounding myself and involved in diving in

1793
01:42:49.159 --> 01:42:54.199
<v Speaker 1>to this online life that we're talking about. And I

1794
01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:56.960
<v Speaker 1>can understand how people who are involved in this every

1795
01:42:57.039 --> 01:43:01.119
<v Speaker 1>day and who were swimming in it by moment twenty

1796
01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>four to seven, I can understand how it would make

1797
01:43:03.319 --> 01:43:06.680
<v Speaker 1>you unhappy. I really I would.

1798
01:43:06.439 --> 01:43:08.479
<v Speaker 5>Think I would think, so, well, what do you do

1799
01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:11.239
<v Speaker 5>if you were a Mark Zuckerberg, for example, with all

1800
01:43:11.319 --> 01:43:14.479
<v Speaker 5>his money and what he found it important to do

1801
01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:18.119
<v Speaker 5>A couple of years ago was when talking to Jijien Ping,

1802
01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:24.439
<v Speaker 5>he literally begged the Chinese dictator and slave master to

1803
01:43:25.159 --> 01:43:29.199
<v Speaker 5>give the name that his own firstborn child would carry.

1804
01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:36.920
<v Speaker 5>Zuckerberg asked Jijien Ping to name his child. That seems

1805
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:41.720
<v Speaker 5>to me a rather striking thing for someone to do. Uh,

1806
01:43:43.039 --> 01:43:47.640
<v Speaker 5>Barack Obama, I mean you know, as you know, I've

1807
01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:51.520
<v Speaker 5>written a great deal about the Obama White House, yes,

1808
01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:54.279
<v Speaker 5>over past years, and one of the things that I

1809
01:43:54.359 --> 01:43:58.199
<v Speaker 5>found intriguing in it is it had its own Office

1810
01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:03.359
<v Speaker 5>of Mind Control. Oh it didn't call it that, but

1811
01:44:03.880 --> 01:44:06.800
<v Speaker 5>effectively that's what it was. It brought together a whole

1812
01:44:06.840 --> 01:44:13.680
<v Speaker 5>team of mind control expert, psychiatrists and psychologists to use

1813
01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:18.520
<v Speaker 5>techniques that would be most effective in selling Obama's program

1814
01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:22.680
<v Speaker 5>as a matter of mind manipulation. Every once in a while, though,

1815
01:44:23.399 --> 01:44:26.479
<v Speaker 5>the Left comes out and is just literal the way

1816
01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.760
<v Speaker 5>that Janet Yellen, our Treasury secretary a few days ago,

1817
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:35.119
<v Speaker 5>came out and declared that outlawing abortion would do serious

1818
01:44:35.159 --> 01:44:36.600
<v Speaker 5>harm to the economy.

1819
01:44:37.039 --> 01:44:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I saw this.

1820
01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:42.920
<v Speaker 5>It would lead women to give their lives to having

1821
01:44:42.960 --> 01:44:48.279
<v Speaker 5>a family instead of serving a corporation, preferably, of course,

1822
01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:53.439
<v Speaker 5>a global corporation. How dare we rebuild the American family?

1823
01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:56.079
<v Speaker 5>The lack of whit is a major well. It played

1824
01:44:56.079 --> 01:44:59.960
<v Speaker 5>a major role in these two serious shooters we were discussed.

1825
01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:05.199
<v Speaker 5>They were both products of strangely broken and twisted homes.

1826
01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:12.079
<v Speaker 5>And you know, if you look at the degree of violence,

1827
01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:15.640
<v Speaker 5>it's still about seventy percent of African Americans, for example,

1828
01:45:16.319 --> 01:45:18.640
<v Speaker 5>who are born to single mothers.

1829
01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:19.319
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

1830
01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:24.399
<v Speaker 5>Because the Democrats deliberately set up a system were by

1831
01:45:24.479 --> 01:45:31.439
<v Speaker 5>your welfare payments depend on you accepting the state as

1832
01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:37.319
<v Speaker 5>the father and fathers the technical term guars government assuming

1833
01:45:37.359 --> 01:45:38.600
<v Speaker 5>the role of spouse.

1834
01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, They and fathers started fleeing Black families as

1835
01:45:44.720 --> 01:45:49.079
<v Speaker 1>soon as this welfare state was established, the so called

1836
01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Great Society in the nineteen fifties, and people told, oh,

1837
01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:55.479
<v Speaker 1>you just want to go back to the nineteen fifties,

1838
01:45:55.479 --> 01:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>and Jim Crow actually, in the nineteen fifties, black communities

1839
01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:04.119
<v Speaker 1>all over this country, we're thriving, even in urban core

1840
01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:09.359
<v Speaker 1>centers because fathers were staying with their families, and they

1841
01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>were eighty.

1842
01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:14.479
<v Speaker 5>People were born to stable, two parent homes right exactly.

1843
01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:17.960
<v Speaker 1>And it makes a difference. It makes a serious difference.

1844
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:22.359
<v Speaker 5>One could say, it makes all the difference.

1845
01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:24.079
<v Speaker 1>All the difference. And you know what, people will hear this,

1846
01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:27.720
<v Speaker 1>who are who are race paid real race paiders? And

1847
01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:30.600
<v Speaker 1>they'll say, oh, there are more white people on welfare

1848
01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:33.119
<v Speaker 1>than there are black people. I hear that argument all

1849
01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the time, and it does not negate what we're saying.

1850
01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>The reality is, in the nineteen fifties, even in the

1851
01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>cities where Jim Crow was alive and well in this

1852
01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>country and there was separation by skin color in restaurants

1853
01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and hotels and nightclubs and the like, the black community

1854
01:46:56.520 --> 01:47:02.520
<v Speaker 1>was actually more prosperous and and more resourceful and more

1855
01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:07.920
<v Speaker 1>progressively pro family than they are today in this country.

1856
01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:12.680
<v Speaker 5>And it almost traditionally said for a long time what

1857
01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:18.199
<v Speaker 5>Lyndon Johnson did to the black community was as destructive

1858
01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:21.720
<v Speaker 5>as if the Klan had made the policy. Well, the

1859
01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:25.439
<v Speaker 5>Klan did deliberate attempt to wreck the black community.

1860
01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:28.159
<v Speaker 1>The Klan did make the policy, just nobody knew it.

1861
01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:31.319
<v Speaker 5>I'm afraid though, Yes, as as Joe Biden and his

1862
01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:36.680
<v Speaker 5>good friend, the Grand Legal of the Klan made.

1863
01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Clear, Yeah, it's just a it's a secondary plantation system

1864
01:47:40.920 --> 01:47:43.800
<v Speaker 1>that we have in this country, and it was started

1865
01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:48.279
<v Speaker 1>by the Democrats. The same way that most of the

1866
01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:52.840
<v Speaker 1>people who supported plantations and slavery in the Old South

1867
01:47:53.079 --> 01:48:00.399
<v Speaker 1>were Democrats, just as the same people who supported and

1868
01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:08.039
<v Speaker 1>held up planned parenthood as a fantastic thing were Democrats.

1869
01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Were racist, real racist, not fake racist or or made

1870
01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:15.479
<v Speaker 1>up racist for you know.

1871
01:48:16.720 --> 01:48:17.760
<v Speaker 5>Of planned parenthood.

1872
01:48:18.079 --> 01:48:24.479
<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly. Democrats have a long Democrats have a long

1873
01:48:25.279 --> 01:48:29.479
<v Speaker 1>history of being evil and racist, and yet they're the

1874
01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:34.119
<v Speaker 1>ones pointing fingers at at people who oppose them as

1875
01:48:34.159 --> 01:48:35.279
<v Speaker 1>being the real racist.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's of having a brainwashing office in the White House, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>generation after generation, because it allowed this is one of

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<v Speaker 5>the greatest acts of manipulation of a people ever seen

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<v Speaker 5>in world politics. The black people who, as you say,

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<v Speaker 5>the slave owners, the plantation owners, the Kouk DeLux clan

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<v Speaker 5>people were all Democrats, indeed, and yet black people have

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<v Speaker 5>been tricked into voting for them.

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<v Speaker 1>It is just astonishing that was part of the plan

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<v Speaker 1>of LBJ. He's been quoted as saying it's a word

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<v Speaker 1>I can't use on the radio, nor would I want

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<v Speaker 1>to use. But all we got to do is give

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<v Speaker 1>these n words enough that they they quiet down, not

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<v Speaker 1>enough to make a difference, but enough that they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>voting Democrat for the next two hundred years. That was

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<v Speaker 1>an actual quote of Lyndon Baines Johnson.

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<v Speaker 5>YEP. Now, now there are things in the current argument

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<v Speaker 5>we must abolish guns that are rather strange. Not only

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<v Speaker 5>does it violate the entire American tradition in the American Constitution,

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<v Speaker 5>but there was once a notorious study comparing Seattle, Washington

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<v Speaker 5>to Vancouver in British Columbi, Canada, and they found that, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>there was so much more violence in Seattle. It was

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<v Speaker 5>just horrifying. But then another university took that very data

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<v Speaker 5>and just reanalyzed it, and they said, what if we

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<v Speaker 5>just compare white people in Vancouver to white people in Seattle, Washington.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know what they found The rate of gun

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<v Speaker 5>violence was in both cases almost zero. In other words,

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<v Speaker 5>the entire difference was because of the minority population in

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<v Speaker 5>Washington state or in the Seattle area, that's where the

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<v Speaker 5>gun violence was. And the same happens in the streets

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<v Speaker 5>of Chicago today and so on, you know, every day

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<v Speaker 5>in in the city of Chicago. And this argument that

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<v Speaker 5>you are going to stifle the police who killed, by estimate,

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<v Speaker 5>about ten people a year who are African American and

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<v Speaker 5>supposedly not armed.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>But the interesting thing is a lot of police nowadays

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<v Speaker 5>are black. Indeed, and the odd thing that the researchers

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<v Speaker 5>find when they compare them is a black policeman will

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<v Speaker 5>shoot a black suspect much faster than a white policeman will.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, certainly because there's going to be a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a month long investigation and a trial many times because

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<v Speaker 1>of this false narrative that there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>racist white police in this country. Listen, lo with that.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to wrap up, and I'm sorry there's not

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<v Speaker 1>more time, but we're at the end.

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<v Speaker 5>That's always its pleasure, Gary.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff, always a pleasure to talk to you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you, I love your perspective and your knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of history. Loll ponte with us on this Memorial Day

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<v Speaker 1>evening as we get ready to close on seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 1>The cold weather is here, so you and your heating

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<v Speaker 1>system will be