Speaker 1: But there are some conversations that we have to start
having as a church that are going to make a
lot of people really uncomfortable. The same way when Jesus
went in the first century, all he did was tell
truth and people hated him for it. I wish that
we could have intellectually honest and stimulating conversations within the
Body of Christ where questions or curiosity didn't result in
the lynch mob showing up. We have got to put
our adult panties on, okay, because this is part of
the infrastructure of the coming beast system like in the
days of Noah. Through our technology, we are going to
be unwittingly practicing divination by directly communicating what the ancient wants.
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like to welcome back to the show Vicky Joy Anderson VICKI,
how are you, my friend?
Speaker 1: Hey, I am doing great as always. Thanks for having
me on. This should be a good combo.
Speaker 2: Well, they always are, they always are, and I know
it's going to be because the technical issues we've had
getting this thing started, so we finally got figured out
and I was like, get behind the evil spawn of Satan.
Oh my goodness, that's how we know we're going to
have a good conversation.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, it seems like I just know I'm in
the right place when it takes twenty minutes to get started.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I apologize for that, but man, Vicky, I
know in our sphere you're a well respected and well
known person. But if somebody is maybe new to the space,
or new to the channel, or just thought the subject
of this episode sounded intriguing they wanted to check it out.
Just introduce your stuff to those people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, I'm Vicky Joy Anderson, writer, author, researcher, poet,
and most people who know me for they only come
out at Night, which was a book exposing the spiritual
and historical and anthropological aspects of sleep paralysis, and I
was a little worried in shifting gears so drastically that
people would, you know, expect the next book to just
be an extrapolation of sleep paralysis or maybe a deeper
topic or a part two. And there is a part
two coming out probably next year. But I really don't
think that I'm shifting gears justin and talking about AI,
because really everything that I talk about, if you go
all the way back to the beginning and you look
at every single one of my books, everything really does
fall under the umbrella of spiritual warfare, because obviously the
enemy is coming at us from many different angles. And
I don't want to limit myself. I don't want to
be one of these type cast actresses where I do
one book on sleep paralysis and now that's the only
thing I can talk about for the rest of my life.
And you probably know that being an author yourself. You know,
you research something, you're really into it, you love it,
all these conversations about it, and then you get five
six years into it, and you're like, you know, if
I have to say the phrase sleep paralysis one more time,
I'm going to tear my hair out. Not that I
don't love talking about it, and I love meeting the
people that are going through it and getting to talk
through it with them and pray with them, et cetera,
et cetera. But I really want to be able to
be free as a researcher to talk about any type
of spiritual warfare as the agenda's morph because I will
tell you, even the sleep paralysis of our childhood looks
drastically different now. And just when you start to get
on top of one of these agendas, as soon as
you kind of figure out maybe a little bit of
what's going on, they're twenty years down the road ahead
of you, with the technology and with what's going on.
And so anyone who wants to continue talking about the
spiritual warfare or the eschatology or the things that we
talked about in the seventies and eighties, you're already way
way in the dark ages. Because we have to, in
our research and in our conversations move as fast as
the enemy, and they are constantly trying to stay ahead
of us. And so I really think that the conversation
of the hour is artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: H yeah, one which me I know, like you know,
the ancient Greeks, you know, they called it the muse.
Us Christians, you know, we call it the Holy Spirit.
But we get nudges or pushes sometimes to take action,
you know, on certain things. Uh. With this new book
that you've just released, you know, Eden to Ai, what
was the catalyst for that? I mean, how did that
come about? To get you want to write this book.
Speaker 1: Using secular vocabulary? It was a total fluke accident using
theological language. It was the providence of God where he
just kept nudging me until my passageway got more and
more and more narrow, and then I realized, oh, this
is what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The this shape and theme of the book drastically changed
about three times before it turned into what it is,
to the point that when I was well into it,
I'm like, what in the world am I writing a
book like this? Has never come across my desk. This
has never been an interest of mine, Like where is
this coming from? And so it's been sort of a
little bit of a surprise for me as well, justin
and I love that because anytime something is not in
my comfort zone, I love that because I delve into
things in this book justin that look. I didn't work
for Silicon Valley. I'm not a tech guru, I'm not
a geologist. I'm not an anthropologist, and I don't intend
to be. And what I did with they only come
out at night. And what I hope I'm going to
do with this book is I just want to start
a conversation. And I'm one of those types justin, where
I want to figure it out. And if I know
that I personally am not going to get all of
the answer, but collectively, if I invite hundreds of other
people into the conversation, like hey, what are you getting
on this?
Speaker 2: Like what's your readers?
Speaker 1: And so I want to start a conversation, and then
I want to sort of just meld into the woodwork
and just become one of the people in the conversation.
I don't want to be the leader. I don't want
to be the guru. I don't want to be the expert.
I want to just say, hey, Church, this is some
stuff we really got to start talking about and figuring out,
and we got to do it together. Let's be a body.
And so what I'm really hoping justin is the people
that do work for Silicon Valley or our tech programmers,
or they have studied the philosophical black box mystery, the
people who are geologists, the people who do study these
things that the higher learning and the more educated voices
will say, Oh, you want an answer to that, Vick,
I got it. This will blow your mind. Justin, I
get these emails all the time when they only come
out at night, as well as with this book, where
people who are way more knowledgeable than I will email
me and say, oh, I've got something to tell you,
and they will give me a nuggative information from from
their wheelhouse that blows my mind. And I'm the type
justin where I can go to church and you can
turn up the base and you can crank the volume
on some amplifiers and sing like really loud worship music
and I may or may not, you know, emotionally catch
that wave where I get really really excited, where literal
dopamine is going off in my brain and the hair
is standing up on my arms and I'm excited. And
that's what gets me on the phone. And I got
to tell you this, Oh my gosh, like you'll never
know what I just what really gets me going is
when dots start to connect. Yes, and if the dots
start to connect and it exposes the deeds of the devil,
or it shines even more of a spotlight on the
glory and the efficiency and the sovereignty and the beauty
of Jesus Christ. I'm even more excited. So what I
hope people see me as more than a writer, more
than a researcher, is I hope that they just see
me as I just want to be a conversation starter.
And if some of these conversations are uncomfortable or controversial,
if there's some cognitive dissonance, justin I'm not the type
that enjoys stirring up controversy. I'm not an instigator. I'm
not one of those people that secretly like enjoys getting
people all riled up. I really do love just getting
along and having unity. But there are some conversations that
we have to start having as a church that are
going to make a lot of people really uncomfortable. The
same way when Jesus went in the first century, all
he did was tell truth, and people hated him for.
Speaker 2: It because it's something different than what they've been fed
their entire lives, and they went into fight or flight
response at some point. Then I talk about a lot,
it's like, yes, that's why say it'd be a good Berean. Yes, no, listen,
with an open mind and then search the scriptures to
see if it's so, because that like that Horde that
was following, piling them guys around and acts and harassed
them everywhere they went because he had told them the
same story, but it was such a paradigm buster for them.
It was different from what they've been told their whole lives.
So they were ready to slid his throat over it.
And you see it again today nothing news under the sun.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I I want and maybe this will never
happen because here we are, this far into world history
and it hasn't happened yet. I wish that we could
have intellectually honest and stimulating conversations within the body of
Christ where questions or curiosity didn't result in the lynch
mod showing up that even the answer is no way
or like no, Vic, that's completely not biblical. Did you
take this person into consideration or Vicky, you know what
you're not You're not schooled in ancient Hebrew and you
don't understand the culture in the context in this and
oh you're right, you're right, Okay. Justin in the last
fifteen years, I have considered things that I've never considered before,
and I have come to believe things that I was
never taught in church. But I'm also now because I'm
fifteen years into it, going full circle on some of
these things, and some of these things that I thought
were revolutionary thoughts five ten years ago, I've thought through
to an even deeper level and realized, you know what,
I was right the first time. But even that, it's
part of the journey. And so with AI, we have
got to put our adult panties on, okay, because this
is part of the infrastructure of the coming beast system,
which is highly organized, and we know from the Book
of Revelation from an eschatological point of view, for a time,
for a season, Jesus is sovereignly going to allow this
beast system to thrive. Now it's coming down, but for
the time being, some of us might be caught up
in this system. And so we need first John four
one test every spirit. We need to remember that it's
going to be like in the days of Noah. We
need to remember, like Solomon, that there's nothing new under
the sun. And there are aspects of this AI that
go beyond binary code. It goes beyond zeros and ones.
It goes beyond Silicon Valley and technology, and we are going,
like in the days of Noah, through our technology, we
are going to be unwittingly practicing divination by directly communicating
with the ancient ones. And we're not even going to
know it because it's going to be disguised in our technology.
And so we as believers. I don't care how scary
it is. I don't care how on call comfortable it is.
These are conversations we are going to have to have
because every generation, whether you're from the older generation and
you're smart and you know better, or you're from the
young generation and you think they don't know anything, which
is funny because the younger generations know way more about
this tech than we do. And so much of this
agenda that's being unraveled is mirroring the gaming world, which
the younger generations have us out gamed on, right, And
so it is important that all generations in the body
get together start these conversations. You know what, the younger
generations have things to learn from us with the gray hairs,
and those of us gray hairs have a lot to
learn from the younger generations who understand this infrastructure. So
We got to get over all these divisive little categories
like church denomination and age and all this baby boomer
millennial nonsense. Right, we have to unify because the enemy
is unified. They're they're organized, they have an agenda, and
so we have to unify, and we have to start
thinking outside of the box. And we have to stop
thinking about technology and AI through the very limited framework
of binary code and zeros and ones and gaming and
computers and five G. We have to expand the borders
of that framework to include history, anthropology, especially ancient Near
East culture, because if that's what's coming back, the days
of Noah, if that's what's coming back, but you know
nothing about that culture, you're not going to see what's
happening because they're mirroring these things. And I talk extensively.
In fact, one could even say the entirety of my
new book is about how these gods are coming back,
but instead of the vessels being made of stone like
they were in Antidiluvian times, the vessels are now being
made of tech, like these are the new Bethels, the
new houses of God. So we're not bowing down to stones,
but we're likewise bowing down to man made objects, physical
tangible pieces, elements that may at one point house these
entities and these demons and these fallen ones. Days of Noah.
That's what was going on, and days of Noah are
going to return. So we need to understand that at
some point the sentience isn't the binary code. The sentience
isn't coming from programming. Sentience isn't coming from coming up
with something quantum that's beyond the zero and one.
Speaker 2: But the mist bottle that holds the fragrance.
Speaker 1: It's the bottle that holds a fragrance. And the mystery
of the black box really isn't that big of a mystery.
We type in zeros and ones and this sentient like
thing comes out. We have no idea what's going on.
Speaker 2: Now, that's the scary part. When I heard a guy
say that, he's like, oh, we set up the parameters
and the defence and the guidelines and you know the
boundary lines, he said, But this thing just takes off
and does all this on its own. We just say, okay,
you can't go here, you can't say this, but it
just does it on its own, and we don't know how.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, Well and justin the reason
they don't know, and I do believe so are there
people way up here that know, of course, but the
compartmentalized little guys at the desk do they know? Probably not.
The reason they don't know is the same reason why
I was just saying, we have to get in touch
with the historical anthropological culture of the ancient Near East,
because this is everything I've been talking about for years.
What they only come out at night. This has to
do with thresholds, if you prefer the word liminal space
or portal, fine, whatever. These are the invitations, these are
the covenants. These are the lines that we're crossing. So
if you are writing out binary code and there's parameters
saying you can come this far but no farther, you
have just legally given them permission to come this far,
which in twenty twenty six is always all way farther
than the boundaries we would have set in nineteen fifty
or before that. And just a small little caveat for
those of you listening, and I'm actually going to be
doing a livestream on this this week. The phrase artificial
intelligence was first coined in a paper that was presented
in nineteen fifty six at a Dartmouth College symposium, and
there was about five brains behind this paper. It was
it was a fundraising paper because they wanted to raise
funds for their project. The phrase artificial intelligence was coined
in that paper written in nineteen fifty five. The word,
the concept and the definition of artificial intelligence has been
around since nineteen fifty five, but hear me, it was
a new term coined for a new generation because the
terms and phrases that they had for the same concept
prior to nineteen fifty five weren't cool enough. You know,
they had to update it. Before that, it was you know,
cybernetics and automatons and different things like that. So what's
very important for people to understand is artificial intelligence has
been around as a phrase since nineteen fifty five, but
it has been around as a concept for hundreds of years.
They just keep changing the name, and as things that
are deemed artificial intelligence become common place, as the Uncanny
Valley aspects of it become accepted, then those things become normal.
So they're no longer considered artificial intelligence, but at the
time that they were introduced they were. So this will
blow your mind. Justin according to the definition of what
we really mean when we say artificial intelligence. The Abacus
was one of the first examples, because AI isn't robots
and synthetic humans and clones running around or you know,
Siri all of a sudden falling in love with you,
or your rumba, you know, trying to strangle you at night.
You know what we have to get out of this
sci fi mindset, all this dystopian stuff artificial intelligence and
this is a totally crude, just shooting from the hip definition.
Obviously you're going to get a much more profound one
if you look up the actual official set in Stone definition.
It is a object. It is an extension of the
human body that assists in logic, reason, calculations, computations, So
a calculator, an It's considered artificial intelligence not because it's
smarter than us, or because it seems to have emotion
or it seems lifelike. It's because it's something outside of
my own fingers and brain that I'm using to assist
me in logic, reason and computation. And so we have
to start by defining our terms. If everybody out there
thinks artificial intelligence are sentient robots that are going to,
like Elon Musk is trying to get us, we have
to upgrade, We have to become transhuman. We have to
upgrade because the machines are going to become smarter than us. Well, yeah,
that ms true, but that is beyond the legal definition
of art official intelligence. You're talking now about something way
beyond artificial intelligence. And so we have to understand that
this stuff that's coming, whether you want to call it
sentient tech, whether you want to call it ag I,
whether regardless of what term you call it, it really
frustrates me justin when we can't get beyond phase one
of an intelligent conversation, because there's people out there that
want to bicker over what word you've chosen. Oh, you supernatural,
and you should have said supernatural, or you should have
said cosmic, or you should have said miracle putting hairs
because you don't want to actually get into the meat
of this discussion because it scares you, or you think
it's stupid, or it irritates you, or you don't think
it's important or for whatever reason, and so whatever you
want to call it is absolutely fine with me. But
the point is, if we don't understand the difference between AI,
which as a phrase has been around since nineteen fifty,
but as a concept it has been around for hundreds
of years. If we're gonna every single thing gets branded AI,
this is where you get the extreme pendulum swings and
where Satan is going to divide and conquer the Body
of Christ. And this is my passion. This is why
my voice is getting raised and I'm getting upset because
I don't care what the enemy does or thinks he's
gonna do. He's gonna lose in the end. I don't
have to be afraid. Yea, though I walk through the
valley of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no
evil for thou art with me. I don't care what
they're doing in Silicon Valley and all their little plots
and their little occult rituals. What I care about is united.
We stand, divided, we fall, and we are. The way
we bring glory and delight and joy to our Savior
is by getting along and functioning as a body. We
don't attack each other. We don't want the Body of
Christ to have autoimmune disease where it thinks the thyroid
is in an enemy, so it starts shooting at and
attacking it until the whole body dies. That's not glorifying
to Jesus Christ. And so the reason I'm passionate, and
the reason why it matters how we define artificial intelligence
is because if we think every single thing out there
now this branded AI is the mark of the beast
or this or that, then we're going to have people
judging other people because you still have a cell phone.
Oh you have an Alexa in your house, Oh you
use chat GPT, and we are going to be bickering
and judging and fighting. And as long as we are
bickering and guys, this happens, the occult thrives on its
ability to conjure and summon and call up these demons,
and it comes through negative human emotion, the collective grief, sorrow, despair, anger, fear,
all of that going up into the ether and filling
the air with all of this negativity. It they harness
it and then they turn it against us with these
psyops and these miscibo effects and this fear mongering. Need
I remind everyone of the craziness that happened in twenty twenty.
They know how to harness this and use it and
turn it against us. We must be united as a
body of believers. So when you talk about artificial intelligence,
it's just an external tool that aids and assists humanity
in logic, reason, outputs, computations. So when you say you
can't use AI, well then you better get rid of
your calculator. You better not use ever use an instant
messenger where you go online and on your bank account
and it says what's your account number and you plug
it in and they give you your information. That's all AI.
You're not talking to a human being. And so how
far are we going to go in boycotting every single
thing that has binary code attached to it?
Speaker 2: And that's something that with the conspiracy crowd that I've
been fighting with, it's like, yeah, I know, you know
there's lies, I know there's deception, but it's not everything everywhere,
you know, it's not everything is fake and gay. If
that's the case, you know what's real, you know. And
it's like I see so many people like in our
sphere anyways, it's like everything is wicked, everything is pagan,
everything's the devil. And it's like, man, the way you're
acting and coming off, it's like we should all be
locked up in the closet with the light turned off
because the world's so wicked we can't be a part
of it. God commanded us to be set apart, you know.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, guys. You know, when
is a shirt a shirt? When is a number a number?
And it's funny I'm talking about this now because my shirt.
You know, I'm from Tennessee. I'm Tennessee boy. This is
a Tennessee football jerseys Tennessee orange and Alvin Kamara is
one of my favorite players, and he was a running
back and his number was six. I wore this jersey
on a pretty big show a while back. But it's
a conspiracy show. And then everybody's like, look he's got
his hat on backwards. That means he's distorting the truth.
Look he's got a number six, and look he's got
a six on the shoulder and a six on the
other shoulder to triple six. Oh man, oh, when he
was talking, he did this.
Speaker 1: Oh yep, and the Nike you got your little Saturn
switch on there too, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Come on, guys, win's a shirt of shirt. You know,
when's a number a number?
Speaker 3: Most days don't look like an emergency. That's why most
people never think about what they're carrying. We do because
preparedness isn't about looking the party, it's about being ready anyway.
Comfort isn't a luxury. It's what keeps you moving when
the day goes longer than planned. That's why every Squatch
Survival pack is made here start to finish. Squatch builds
packs for people who don't assume the day will stay easy.
Ruguru Mofman built to last your missions and be passed
down when you're done.
Speaker 2: Squatch Survival gear ready for the next one.
Speaker 1: Justin. It is so true. I don't want to go
too far down the rabbit hole. But like even today
you can't really see it, but I'm wearing a through
the black shirt, you know, a Tom Done black shirt,
and it says it is well with my soul. But
there's this black raven and this skull, because that was
the whole thing behind it. With Tom, it's well with
my soul. You can have all your little black ravens
and your skulls and your death and your symbols. It's
well with my soul. Now people can distort that as well,
but there justin. There's so many times where I'm online
and they're going to find whatever they can. I remember
once we were doing the show on Through the Black
and Tom had a cold. He was really sick, and
so he kept muting his microphone and hacking up along
he was coughing, and there was some troll in the
comment section saying Tom's trying to hex us because coughing
is like whipcraft. And I'm like, oh my goodness, the
poor guy can't even have the flu. You know, it's
it's It was just crazy. But we could both tell
a million of these stories. You know, why is she
always wearing black? And I remember once I was wearing
a very hilarious but a truth behind a T shirt
on a podcast, and it's the famous one. We all know,
the Smithsonian has the bones and so there's a cartoon
skeleton with a bow on its head, you know, and like,
but the truth of the matter is the Smithsonian is
obsfucating truth. They're distorting history, they're making they're making it
intentionally difficult for us to understand biblical archaeology. Because bib
local archaeology proves that the Bible is reliable, accurate information,
and it points to the glory of God. And they
are hiding that. And so even though the shirt is
very cartoony and she's got a bow on her skull
and all this, the truth behind it is something I'm
very passionate about. You are hiding the glory of God
from people who are going to be deceived. But of course,
the whole entire show, it was a live chat, The
whole show is hijacked by people freaking out that there's
a skull on my T shirt. Come on, this, this
is what I mean. Justin it is like taking candy
from a baby for the enemy to get the church
away from planning and organizing a battle plan for the
coming days because we want to bicker over how many
sixes are on someone's jersey or if there's a skull
on the T shirt.
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree, and you know the house divided. Yeah,
so we're too busy being paranoid, thinking everybody is a
shill or everybody's a plant or working for the devil
to sew discorder. Oh, this person, you know, making you
so paranoid. You guys are tearing yourselves apart. He ain't
got to do nothing, You just got to sit back
and watch him kill each other. Yeah, yeah, but Uh,
with your show though, or with a show I seen
that you had went on, you explained something pretty well.
They were asking, uh, what was the connection with Eden
and Ai and how you know nothing news under the sun.
It's just kind of a repackaged thing. I love the
example you give, and you were talking about there's certain
things in the culture of the Biblical times that people
need to read into and they're going to get offended,
they're going to get in their their fields because it's
not something they've been told every Sunday. But just because
it's not been told to you every Sunday doesn't mean
it's the truth. Because it's uncomfortable doesn't mean it's not
the truth. I was wonder if you could maybe walk
us through that, you know, like how you know how
Solomon says nothing new is under the sun. This is
something that's been doing. It's just kind of being repackaged.
And you used a really good example with Jacob that
a lot of people don't know about. Yes, yes, realize.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to lay a little bit of groundwork
and then we'll get into Jacob, which is one of
the funnest parts of my research in the book. It's
one of my favorite pieces in the book. But let
me lay some groundwork first. The serpent could have said
a million different things to Eve. There were limitless angles
of temptation. They think how un knowledgeable Adam and Eve were,
how innocent they were, how pure they were. That serpent
probably had a thousand things that would have blown their
minds and led them into temptation or led them into rebellion.
But the one that he goes with is you can
be smart. You can have all this and this wisdom.
And they knew that having all of the wisdom available
to them would make them God, because that's what set
them apart from God. He was all knowing and they weren't.
And it's the quest for omniscience. And that's why even
something as basic as your flip phone from the nineties
was in essence figuratively a type of fruit from the
tree of knowledge and good and evil. Because if we
can seek omniscience, you.
Speaker 2: Know, the bots taken out of it.
Speaker 1: Yep, omnipotence. If we are using our phones to connect
to be everywhere, to know everything, to know all the
news all over the world, and this is infrastructure, This
is omnipotence packaged technologically, it's omniscience packaged technologically, omnipresence package technologically.
So I'm going to lay the foundation that having all
knowledge was appealing to Adam and Eve. We focus on
though you can be as like a God, and we're like, oh,
they wanted to be God. Well, the way it was
presented to them was you can know everything God knows.
And then we learn in the Book of Enoch Enoch One,
it doesn't just say that the watchers were giving the
mysteries of heaven away to mankind. It actually then says
which mankind also wanted. Mankind was just as eager to
receive it. They weren't like say no, no, no, I'm
not interested, like leave me alone or get behind me, Satan,
like they were eager. So let's fast forward then to Jacob.
I'll leave some of the treasures. So for those of
you that are reading the book or want to read
the book, it can unfold for you and it's not
a total spoiler alert. I will just say that Luz,
which is where Jacob went before he renamed it Bethel,
the city of LUs was an extremely esoteric place, okay,
and there was I always tell Christians like take a
deep breath, don't send me hate. Man. If we culturally
and contextually and historically absolutely understood everything that was going
on in Luz with Jacob, we would be offended that
that story made it into scripture. In fact, we would
be mortified that Jacob set foot in that city. He
should have abstained from all appearances of evil. Why did
he even go there? You know, it's kind of like
a Christian like I'm going to go into a casino
or I'm going to go into a strip club. Like
now you've got all you know, you got a lot
of explaining to do. I was witnessing, you know what
I mean? What were Jacob even doing there? And this
goes back to our propensity as believers. We all know
this isn't true, but our brain sort of reverts to
this safe place that all the good guys in the
Bible had a relationship and an understanding with God and
the coming Messiah that we have now in the twenty
first century, and we just have a feeling that if
they showed up in a time machine and sat in
in our evangelical churches, that they would just be worshiping
and praising and they would have no clue they would
be so out of sorts if they stumbled upon modern Christianity.
And so we have to understand that there were stuff
going on in ancient Near East culture that would be
so foreign to us that you think we're paranoid and
thinking everything's the occult now, holy now and again in
the days of Noah. So we've got to learn to
discern these things. Jacob was not a born again Christian. Okay,
he'd never even heard the name Jesus or Christ. They
knew that there was going to be a Messiah, but
they didn't know he was. You know, they didn't have
that peace figured out. They didn't have all the dots connected.
He's going to come as a baby and be named
Yashua and all this stuff. Jacob was in a place
of rebellion. He had deceived his father, He had stolen
the birthright. Now, even though God himself was going to
give him that birthright, was that the means by which
God was going to give him the birthright? Or did
job get in the way of the timing and the
plan there? You know, if he had just waited, you know,
would the Lord have orchestrated that through different means? So
then you have all of his dealings with his father
in law, which, again, if we understand farming and culture,
there was a lot going on there with the breeding
of the cows and Jacob getting rich off of his
father in law and leaving in the middle of the night,
which we get a little cultural clue that his running
off in the middle of the night with the daughters
was not a cultural acceptable thing to do. There was
different family relationships back then between fathers and daughters and
ownership and husbands and wives, and what he did there
was not culturally acceptable. And now he's in a place
where his father has passed away and he's fearing for
his life. So now we have fear and anxiety on
top of a guy who, by all appearances doesn't really
seem to have the same relationship with Yahweh that his
dad and grandpa had. You don't see a lot of
praise and worship and fear of God up to this point.
You see a lot of shyster like stuff going on.
You see him favoring one wife over the other. You
see him actually violating the Torah by not giving the
proper respect to the first wife and withholding et cetera,
et cetera, and so you're not really seeing the fruits
of the spirit going on. I don't know Justin at
this point, I know he had had knowledge of Yahweh.
But was there a fear, there was there a respect,
There was there a relationship? Was their love? We don't know.
Because here's where we get a clue. He's now in
a situation where the biggest problem of his life has
to be solved because if Esau finds him, he's going
to be dead. His wives are either going to be
dead or pulled into a harem. His daughters are probably
going to get kidnapped. The sons are probably going to
be murdered. Okay, so this is a life or death situation.
Does he call on the name of Yahweh? No, He
packs up his bags and he goes to Vegas. Yeah,
he goes to the red light district of Amsterdam. Okay,
why there was it just along as route? We have
to understand how much knowledge and intentionality these men of
old had. They weren't random. Okay. He goes to Luz
because Luz is an Eso tyric stronghold where people utilize
the rocks there. This is the desert, everybody, Okay, this
isn't America where everywhere you look as black top. This
is the desert. The rocks, such as the one that
he conveniently used as a pillow, Again intentionality wasn't just
a bunch of sandstone. This was Jupiter Lapis. This was
meteorite fragments that when they hit the sand of the
desert because of the heat. And this is where I
admit I'm not a geologist, Justin, but when meteorite fragments
hit the ocean, they'll look a certain way. When they
hit the ice in Antarctica, they'll look a certain way
when they hit blazing hot sand in the Middle.
Speaker 2: East makes silica and glass, Yes.
Speaker 1: Tech tight like silica sand glass. So this rock that
he used as a pillow was probably large, and it
was probably beautiful. It wasn't just some ugly jagged rock.
Now to this day, Justin, there are frequencies in nature.
There's frequencies that come off of plants and trees and
flowers and rocks, and if you know how to harness
those frequencies, and especially if you're in an altered state,
like if you're on a psychedelic or something, these rocks
were like ancient binaural beats. They were the tri tone
of brain entrainment. HEMI sank Robert Monroe technology. So with
binoral beats, I don't want to go off on too
far of a tangent. There is a tri tone that
we don't audibly hear, but the brain picks up on
it and it balances. It harmonizes the frequency of our
left and our right brain hemisphere, which operate at slightly
different frequencies. They're not the same. When these tritones are played,
it harmonizes the left and right hemispheres of the brain
so that they are now operating at the same frequency.
And when they operate at the same frequency, the pioneal
gland is activated and you now have the opportunity to
astral project, or to have one of these astral experiences.
It is a liminal space, it is a threshold, and
to this day, there are places even in America. I
won't tell you where because I don't want people tempted
by it. There are places even in America where if
you are properly sedated and you lay your head down
or you do a headstand on these rocks, you will
instantly astral project. Now, this is something the ancients know
that Theosophists know, the new Agers know a lot of
people that.
Speaker 2: Are you know, all the stone circles and stuff. That's
what they were doing, you know, And that's a when
you go to the Gaelic I think, is what it
is like the root word of a church. It goes
to like kirk. So they said, you know, let's go
to the kirk. Yes, you know that drived into church.
That was the stones of the ancient world. Let's go
to the stones.
Speaker 1: Yes, guys, if this kind of stuff interests you, you're
gonna love. From Eden to Ai. If you don't want
to read two hundred plus pages about rocks, you might
get bored. But let me tell you what was going on.
The reason all of these altars and steely's and pillars
that they were bowing down to were made of stone.
And what some of those stones really were. What they
were made of Cybelle Diana who fell from Zeus. These
were meteorites, They were tech type. It was sandglass, you know,
it was silica. And we'll get into that importance of
the silica in a second. Back to Jacob. He didn't
fast and pray, he didn't rent his garments and throw
his face to the ground and repent of sin and
beg for God's help. Look at the ways that various
kings of Judah acted throughout history. Look at the way
King David acted. Look at the way men of God
acted when they got into life and death situations. Look
how Daniel reacted when he knew he was going to
be thrown into a lion's den. He boldly went in
front of a window and cried out to Yahweh for
all the world to see. What happened when Shadrack, Nishek
and Abdnigo were in a life and death situation before
being thrown into a furnace, all the pipes and the
flutes played and for everyone to see in public, we
will not bow down. This is the way men who
fear God act. What does Jacob do? He goes to Vegas,
finds the first strip club he can go into, Like
that's basically culturally what he was doing. He was going
into a very crude place that men who fear God
wouldn't go.
Speaker 2: Foreshadowing of Tsau with the Witch of Indoor.
Speaker 1: Yes, correct, So he is basically hoping to channel a
spirit guide. That's what he's doing there, and the reason
why Jacob woke up the next morning, shocked, sober minded, convicted.
Why he turned that very stone on its side and
anointed it and dedicated not just the stone, but the
whole place. He called Bethel House of God because that
place where the God of Abraham and Isaac never should
have been caught dead, showed up for him. Literally, God
showed up in a god forsaken place. And I'll throw
this one in just for a bonus. Guys, if you
look up the words stair away in the Hebrew and
you go back to its etymological origins, it was a ziggorot.
Now that should freak you out. What in the world
is the Angel of God doing a sending and descending
a ziggorot? That is Blesphe.
Speaker 2: Goes back to the Tower Bible doing on me thirty teen.
That's what they were doing.
Speaker 1: That's what they were doing, and so uh he calls
it house of God. Interestingly, the men of LUs fled
the place. If you read the Bible carefully, there's two
cities of LUs. Because the men of LUs fled and
they started a new LUs, and they weren't going to
bring those Jupiter stones with them. They started then worshiping
and venerating the Hawassie stones in the second city of LUs.
And what I think was happening there culturally is Oh, no,
the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob claimed this ground
for himself. Oh, it's no longer ours. It's the same
theory as Dagon. You know, when when Dagon bowed over
the threshold and fell into a million pieces, right, and
then from that point forward, no one would touch the
threshold because that threshold now along to Yahweh, because his
present had been made known in that temple. So, with
all that said, with our technology, Jacob had a life
or death situation. He had a problem. He needed it solved,
He needed divine wisdom. He didn't initially go to the
god of his father and grandfather. He went to the
cultural area where he could connect with esoteric knowledge. So
my question is, at what point, right now, next year,
fifty years from now, at what point when every time
we have a problem, we have anxiety, we were not
making enough money to pay our bills, we're having a
relationship problem, are we running to the stones before we prayer?
Speaker 2: Fast?
Speaker 1: And let me tell you, I said that we would
talk about silica for a second. Our technology up to
this point has been primarily the chips have been made
of silicon. We know that. That's why it's called silicon valley. Right,
we know this mystery in the black box, we put
in zeros in ones, this sentient stuff comes out. What's happening? Well,
the AI computer chips and these quantum chips and these
you know MAJORA one or Mazura five or whatever Microsoft's
going on. Now, these quantum computer chips have a secret sauce.
It's not silicon, it's silicon carbide. Silicon carbide can be
synthetically produced in a lab. It's how we make cz
faked diamonds and gemstones and things like that. We can
create artificial synthetic silicon carbide in a lab. And I
go into great detail in my book about who first
came up with that and the masaite and all that stuff. Right,
here's where we have to go. Hmm, do I need
to do a little first John for one? Here? Silicon
carbide can be found in a non synthetic natural created
by God state. One place it can be mined. One
place do you want to guess where are one place
to mine silicon carbide is.
Speaker 2: Africa?
Speaker 1: You're correct, location wise, But what is what are we
mining it from? And I won't put you on the
spot too long. Here's the payoff. It's in meteorites. We
are nothing new under the sun. We are currently spending
billions in the Blue economy, which is fishing nodules out
from the ocean floor. The nodules are meteorite fragments. Now
they tell us this is because of the extreme supply
and demand that they can't keep up with for electric
vehicle batteries. The Blue economy is nodules off the ocean floor.
They're meteorites that have fallen into the ocean. Antarctica and
smet they're mining the ice for all of the fragments
of meteorites. NASA is spending millions to billions eight year
using computations and computer programs to predict when meteorites are
going to fall so they can capture them before they
hit the earth and break into useless pieces. And then
we have the sand glass, we have the deck love glass. Interestingly,
there is a reference in the Old Testament. I want
to say it's Deuteronomy, but I could be wrong, And
it talks about the treasures in the sand. And I
looked that phrase up in the Thayers in the Hebrew
and all that. The word sand in almost every usage
in the Old Testament means sand I got the seashore.
In the one verse where it talks about the treasures
of the sand, it is a specific word that means glass.
That's why. Not because it's alien material, not because it's
a meteorite, it's a space rock. It's a treasure because
the ancients knew it was a powerful communication device. This
why King Tut had a brooch. I have a picture
of it in my book. Unfortunately it's black and white.
You can look it up in color and you'll get
the picture. It's a large chest piece or nate and
the centerpiece of it is a large scarab right over
the heart, made of sand glass. It's meteoric. Now, when
you look at Aaron and you look at those in
the priesthood who wore gemstones and the breastplate, I always
just thought it was because it looked pretty. Oh, each
tribe gets a color, and you know team colors. Right.
Why are all these ancient people wearing stones things that
emit a frequency over their chest? And why are all
these ancient people mysteriously powerful and justin I just want
to make it abundantly clear. I don't think that Aaron
and Moses and Jacob and these ancient guys, I don't
believe that they were magicians or occultists, because I believe
that intent and source of power has everything to do
with it. So if you're taking a stone or a staff,
you're taking something created by God and it is being
used to direct the attention of fallen man to the Creator.
If that staff or that stone is being used to
harness power that will convict people of sin or make
them aware of a creator who they're one day going
to be accountable. If God, in his wisdom chooses to
use artificial intelligence an extension of the human body like
rocks and stones and staffs to point to himself, he
can do whatever he pleases. All things were created by him,
through him, for him. It's only when these stones and
crystals and staffs are used to conjure fallen ones so
that I can become like a God, then it becomes
Then it becomes a cult, then it becomes esoteric. And
so this is something justin we have to be so
careful with. And this is where so many people get
upset because they misunderstand. God doesn't need crystals and stones
and rocks and staffs or prophets or anything to communicate
with us. He can do whatever he pleases. I do
think it's interesting, though, that we are reprimanded in scripture
that if we do not fulfill our purpose for being alive,
which is to glorify the name of Jesus Christ, what
cries out instead of us?
Speaker 2: That's what I was about to say. I was about
to ask you about that. What was it mean when
Jesus said that even if I remain silent, these stones
will cry, And I was going to ask you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's something deeply mysterious. God created this stuff.
God isn't surprised. Oh no, rocks give off frequencies and
people can harness that for bad stuff. Of course, he knew.
The enemy is always going to steal what God has
made and distort it and turn it inward instead of upward.
We know that, and justin it disturbs me because I
want things to be easy to explain to the skeptics.
It's distressing to me that Moses had a staff and
that Aaron has gemstones over his chest. It distresses me
that you have to wear linen in an all cedar room,
and if you even touch the ark of the covenent,
you're incinerated. There are quantum physics things going on in
the creation of God. There's things going on with the
trees and the flowers, and the mountains and the water
and the ocean and the moon and the sun. And
it distresses me because it makes it all the more
difficult for us to continue to redeem those things for
God's glory when so many people, for so many thousands
of years, have taken those things and use them as
conduits of conjuring up fallen ones. But we also have
to be careful not to throw the baby out with
the bathwater. So where where do I safely land this plane?
Justin there will be people who will misunderstand. But what
I'm trying to tell you is that the ancients understood
how to harness these frequencies, and they use them not
as a means to direct people to confession of sin,
or to the glory of God, or to the surrendering
to their maker. They used it the same way the
serpent used it in the garden to lull and woo
humanity into the false notion that they could ascend into
a higher vibrational being, obtain ancient wisdom, and become as
a god. Talk about it.
Speaker 2: I think what he said that we traded the truth
for a lie. He said, well, you know, we worshiped
the created things instead of the creatorwards Like, yeah, God
gave us, you know, metaphorical hammers, you know, with these
stones and crystals, frequencies also kind of stuff. Metaphorically, that's
a hammer. He give us all a hammer to build
a beautiful house with. But with that same hammer in
the wrong hands, with the wrong motive, can use to
destroy and kill people too. So it's like we can't
be looking at the people that took the hammer and
done destructive things with it and say, oh, we need
to burn the hammers. The hammers are bad, you know
what I mean. It's a tool that was given to
us by God but misused by the enemy. That's once
again baby in bathwater situation. I believe. Yeah, well, I
guess before we let you go, Vic, I mean, like,
with all this in mind, and of course I don't
want you to give away the book on them to
go check the thing out, because that's like even with me,
I'm the Esau guy. You talked about you know, sleep
Prowlyssis you've been a sleep prowss this girl, I'm the
Esau guy now, which I love that. But I mean
there's there's more chapters in my book than just that
one song and dance there. But it's kind of like
with all this stuff that's kind of pushing you to
be like the Esau or the spirit of Esau, be
more like self reliant, you know, and see things yourself
instead of leaning in on God. But with with all
this stuff going on, uh, closing messages, you know, we
we learn this information, we find these things out, and
then you know the now what do we just keep
this up here for cool talking points? Uh? What's your
advice and or warning to Christians when it comes to
this AI what to be looking for? How does it
apply words of wisdom? I mean, what to do with
the info?
Speaker 1: VICKI Yeah, absolutely. I was very careful in the book
not to tell people what to do because this is
gray area. Now for some they are going to teetotal
the whole thing. They're going to have a flip phone,
or they're not going to have a phone at all.
They're going to live off grid, They're they're not going
to have a laptop like for for for whatever the
spirit of God convicts you you need to do that.
I'm not going to roll my eyes or mock any
one on either end of the spectrum, because for those
who've been called to teetotal the whole thing. If God
called you to do that, you're obeying him. You're sacrificing
for him, and you are turning your back on Babylon
to do that. And you are going to learn specific
things and earn certain achievements and rewards for that. There's
going to be other people all the way over here.
There are going to be fully immersed in it. There
might even be God fearing people working right in the
belly of the beast, Silicon Valley, NASA. We can talk
all day along about our conspiracies and all the occult
stuff and the rituals, but the fact is is Silicon
Valley and NASA allowed to have their Daniel in the
midst of Babylon. Because if there can't be a man
who fears God and preaches the Gospel to his coworkers
and leads people to salvation in the middle of Silicon
Valley or NASA, then Daniel never should have been brought
to Babylon. That's why we love the story of Daniel
and Shadrack and Meshak and abedna Go so much. They
were the forerunners. They didn't just survive in Babylon by hiding.
They were in the very upper levels of it, praying
and fasting and almost losing their lives. And one could
say that the testimony of Shadrak, Mishak, Abednigo and Daniel
didn't just bring some Babylonians to the knowledge that Yahweh
was the one true God. But here we are thousands
of years later because it was made a matter of record,
and every generation since then has marveled at those stories.
So if you're over here and you've been called to
teetotal it, do it for the glory of God. If
you're over here and you are in it to win it,
and you are going to ride this wave for the
glory of God and be a martyr for this, do
it for the glory of God. And somewhere in between
all of those pendulum swings, justin is the average me
and you where we are going to probably buy necessity,
interact with artificial intelligence on a daily basis. We're doing
it right now most of us at work, you're not
even going to be able to fill out a time
card if you're not logging into something right. So for
the rest of us, we stay on board until it
becomes essential to walk the plank. And in the meantime
we pray, we fast, and we apply first John for one.
We test every spirit, and when the spirit of God
says get out of there, we move. We are like Lot.
We are not like Lot's wife. When the spirit of
God says get out now, we flee in the middle
of the night with the clothes on our back, and
we turn our back on these stupid phones and computers
and podcasts, and we live isolated in the wilderness, depending
upon Him for rain and food. Okay, But if we
are like Lot's wife and we flee but our heart
is not in it. If we're like lots daughters who
made it all the way to the caves but then
said there's not a man in the world, our life
is over. Well, we're going to die here, virgins. We're
never going to get married or have kids. It. If
we flee to the wilderness and we have the heart
of Lot's wife or Lot's daughters, we will either like
Lot's wife perish on the way, or like Lot's daughters,
we will make decisions where the ripple effect of that
decision will affect every generation beyond us. You look into
Israel and the things that happened to them because of
the Moabites, who was the offspring of one of Lot's daughters.
We actually, if we do not do the right thing,
it might not just be us or our immediate family
that's affected. We may actually be hurting the body of
Christ in our generation or in the generations to come.
There is a ripple effect to every time we hesitate,
or we don't trust God, or we disobey. So we
have got to steal ourselves away from these things that
today are conveniences, but tomorrow could be nooses around our neck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I've seen some studies they did showing
like IQ scores and attention spans, you know, all these
other kind of things compared to twenty years ago versus today.
And you'd think with all the modern advancements with AI
and everything else, that we'd be getting smarter, we'd be
more intelligent. Everything's going down and declining out of exponential right,
because instead of using a tool, we are relying on
that tool because it has out the answers. Why do
I need to read a book and search and remember
this or that? I can just type the question in
on my little black mirror mirror mirrah on the wall
and it'll tell me.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: But how many times have we top stuff in and
be like, you know, what's this or that? And they
tell you the answer and you're like, that's not the
right answer. You're like, now that don't seem right to me.
Da da da da da, I remember this. Oh yeah,
my mistake. You're right. So I mean you can't trust
these things. You can't. I mean, you can't rely on them.
Use the tool. Don't rely on the tool, I guess
would be my two cents of it.
Speaker 1: Yep. And what's said justin is we all know this,
but it feels so.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's by design too, to feel smart and
have something stroke your ego every time you put in
a prompt, you know, like, oh, that's such a great idea,
You're so smart, you know. It's just like, okay, who
doesn't like three ego stroke? You gotta be aware that
flattery is the doorway to deception.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, whoever's writing that code sure has humanity
figured out?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, Well, VICKI thank you so much. I'm
going to keep you. I know we've only been on
for about an hour and ten, but we had probably
good twenty minutes of take issues before we got started,
so I know you got all kinds of stuff you've
got planned today. I'm sure everybody wants a piece of Viki.
But before we leave, man, just let everybody know where
they can find you best supports you the book. Can
they get like a signed copy from you, like on
a website or is it just strictly through Amazon? How
do they go about getting these books?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Thank you so, Vickijoyanderson dot com is where you
can find me. I actually don't even think I have
the book on my own website yet, but it's on
Amazon dot com. If you do want to sign copy,
there's a couple of ways you can get that done.
You can either email me directly at bjaauthor at gmail
dot com, or you can come to one of the
conferences that I am going to be at this year
and meet me in person and buy a book there
at the table and I'll sign it for you. I'll
be at go Therefore, end of July. I'll be at
here the Watchmen in Springfield, Missouri. In August, I will
be at the Warrior Bride Conference in South Carolina mid August,
and I will hopefully be at blurry Con for this year.
This is my first blurry I've never been there, but
I will have a table Lord Willing at blurry Con.
I think that's usually in October.
Speaker 2: Nice, I have to check in with you on at
one in South Carolina. That's that's pretty close to me.
I might have to check that one out.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, guys, man, I hope you enjoyed that. Surely
you did, because this is a very enjoyable woman, very
knowledgeable woman. But be sure to check out her stuff
and contribute to her work, show her some love, and
just remember, guys, the difference between the known and the unknown.
That is the journey, and that's why we're out here.
So good journey. Ladies jail.
Speaker 1: To see us and calls beast by name. They say,
tru will cost you.
Speaker 2: Friends, Confide, be somebody the same are has a softer face,
swim fires. Let us be