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Speaker 2: Simple questions for one hundred people. Welcome to the experiment.
Speaker 2: I'm Bill Correll, and this is my investigation. I'm researching
Speaker 2: to gather data from one hundred beautiful human beings for
Speaker 2: the sole purpose to see what actually happens across the interviews. Now,
Speaker 2: the questions are fixed and all the interviews will remain consistent,
Speaker 2: the variable being the actual participants themselves and their answers.
Speaker 2: So Matti says, if I'm having you come sit on
Speaker 2: my porch to share your thoughts so I can learn
Speaker 2: about people. We're looking forward to what we're going to
Speaker 2: learn when we're done with this whole thing. But mostly
Speaker 2: we're interested in the people, the process, and in your
Speaker 2: particular story. So with all that said, what is your
Speaker 2: full name.
Speaker 3: It's Matthew jusequal.
Speaker 2: Do you have a middle initial or a middle name? Kay,
Speaker 2: it's Carl, Carl Okay, great Carl with a K. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's a great that's a great name.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about your about your last name.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's Jessicual. We're let's see family strunk. Uh, Paris, France.
Speaker 3: Originally many many residents moons ago, but uh, that's it's
Speaker 3: originally from France, and according to came from Paris, France
Speaker 3: into northern Canada and then ended up in Sus Saint Marie, Michigan.
Speaker 3: And then my grandfather ended up in Alpina and so,
Speaker 3: and I also have a part of my family that
Speaker 3: apparently is down in New Orleans area, So apparently by
Speaker 3: Bayou side of the family, which have didn't even know
Speaker 3: they even existed, to be honest with you up until
Speaker 3: a few years ago, by doing genealogy.
Speaker 2: So so it sounds like you were part of the
Speaker 2: original knock migration from Canada. Canada, you come down here
Speaker 2: you huh.
Speaker 3: Well, a little bit. Literally, the family came from a
Speaker 3: part of the family settled in Sus Saint Marie. The
Speaker 3: other part came into Michigan and literally passed through Canada
Speaker 3: on the way in. But that's kind of the way
Speaker 3: it came across. And so no, kind of a different
Speaker 3: point of view. But most of them, or I shouldn't
Speaker 3: say most, there's a few that are there. There's a
Speaker 3: few still in France, there's a few, like I said,
Speaker 3: a couple other spots all over, So we just kind
Speaker 3: of listen and go from there.
Speaker 2: So have you met any of the French people I've taught.
Speaker 3: I've messaged back and forth with one I believe would
Speaker 3: be a cousin who's a doctor over in Paris, and
Speaker 3: that was just messaging back and forth a little bit. Basically.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, kind of hey, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I got a message to one day over Facebook of
Speaker 3: so I think we're related. Now, well, you know, with
Speaker 3: the spelling of the last name, it kind of makes
Speaker 3: it look that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, you have a very distinctive name. You're my first,
Speaker 2: actually you're my second. Your wife was my first. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I have a rather uncommon name also, but
Speaker 2: it's getting more common all the time. C O R
Speaker 2: R E L L. And then there are lots of
Speaker 2: variations of that. So what's your favorite nickname, Matt that
Speaker 2: most people don't know?
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I guess it would go back a long
Speaker 3: long time. For a long time, or for a while,
Speaker 3: my father and a couple of his friends called me matador.
Speaker 3: And my dad said it was because basically I was
Speaker 3: the I'm still the smallest of the four boys that
Speaker 3: my father had, six three, two sixty. I'm a little
Speaker 3: little one, okay, yeah, and uh, he basically used to
Speaker 3: sit there and I'm the youngest by five years, and
Speaker 3: so they were all bigger, all older than me, and
Speaker 3: he said it was always he was. He basically would
Speaker 3: compare me to a matador trying to face down three balls,
Speaker 3: and you know, he always sat there and goes just
Speaker 3: you know, there's most matadors would have ran, and you
Speaker 3: continued to face the problem. So he used to basically
Speaker 3: tell me I was stubborn as a bull and sometimes
Speaker 3: meaner than.
Speaker 2: The ball, so you had what you needed to be
Speaker 2: a man at or'. That's pretty cool. So we'll move
Speaker 2: into the next question, which is when did you first
Speaker 2: notice what color hair you had.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to say that it would have been
Speaker 3: probably about four or five years old, and it happened
Speaker 3: actually because my hair changed color. My hair had a
Speaker 3: little bit of a red tinge to it. As a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, according to looking at my first haircut,
Speaker 3: my hair was red, which my grandmother's nickname had been
Speaker 3: red because she had like a deep auburn color hair.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's kind of one of those weird
Speaker 3: things when you look back and go, hold on, this
Speaker 3: definitely is not red, you know, And it was just
Speaker 3: kind of unique to realize, you know, I have this
Speaker 3: darker colored hair than and my hair is different than
Speaker 3: all my brothers as well. They all have like kinky,
Speaker 3: curly your hair, and theirs was almost jet black all
Speaker 3: the time, and then mine kind of stayed a little
Speaker 3: lighter brown.
Speaker 2: So just interesting, yeah, it is. And having being the
Speaker 2: youngest of four no sisters, right, just all boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no. My dad's favorite comment to us was
Speaker 3: especially like when Jen started coming around and he realized
Speaker 3: how serious things were with Jen and I, he used
Speaker 3: to turn to me and go, you know, and I
Speaker 3: remember him making this statement because I told him the
Speaker 3: one day I'm like, you know, her dad made a
Speaker 3: comment about you know, if I ever heard her, he'd
Speaker 3: kill me. And my dad looked at me and goes,
Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about that, Matt. By the
Speaker 3: time Gerard got out here, do you know to be
Speaker 3: in a hole? Yeah, I'm like what, he goes, that's
Speaker 3: my daughter. I got four you I can lose one.
Speaker 3: It's no big deal. Yeah, I'm like Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those father son conversations that I
Speaker 2: think a lot of us have been through. Yep, we'll
Speaker 2: take you, but we really love jen perfect. So what's
Speaker 2: your favorite thing to do to intentionally waste time?
Speaker 3: Honestly? Cooking? Just to sit down and go out on
Speaker 3: the grill, cook on the grill, cook in the kitchen,
Speaker 3: even sometimes bake. I'm not a big baker, but there's
Speaker 3: times where it's just I just lose myself in the
Speaker 3: cooking and can enjoy myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The kids used to laugh at me because every time
Speaker 3: I'd be cooking, I'd be whistling and laughing and singing,
Speaker 3: and they're like, the hell are you doing? So it's
Speaker 3: kind of one of my favorite things. Sometimes it's just
Speaker 3: on my day off, I'll just go out and start
Speaker 3: the smoker and cook all day long.
Speaker 2: So all right, So, so tell me about your favorite
Speaker 2: things to cook and or smoke.
Speaker 3: Let's see. I love ribs, I've gotten a point.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite? Like baby bag?
Speaker 3: I like, I like all of them, Honestly, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I like to try different things. So when Jena and
Speaker 3: I've traveled, I have a tendency to try and pick
Speaker 3: a barbecue place at every every stop we make. So
Speaker 3: I tend to when we're in Texas, I love trying
Speaker 3: the Texas barbecue with it is you know, pretty strict
Speaker 3: and just salt pepper and that's all there is to it.
Speaker 3: And then the same type of thing for the when
Speaker 3: we went through Kansas City, trying certain things there. I like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm the guy that I make my own
Speaker 3: own barbecue sauce. I have three different varieties of barbecue sauce.
Speaker 3: I make, you know, my own spice rubs for everything.
Speaker 3: But like I said, I will do just about I
Speaker 3: can't say have one thing I love more than others
Speaker 3: other than like I said, I like doing pork, ribs,
Speaker 3: spare rubs. Mainly Jen likes the baby backs, so I
Speaker 3: tend to do those and then those I've gotten to
Speaker 3: the point like you know, when I start start a pack,
Speaker 3: when I start a round of baby backs, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm tied up for four hours. So yeah, so that's
Speaker 3: the fun part of the day.
Speaker 2: So you and I could talk about barbecuing and cooking
Speaker 2: in particular for hours. Yes, let us just decide that
Speaker 2: we'll do that at another time, because there's to be
Speaker 2: explored here, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yes, there is.
Speaker 2: So you and I if somebody asked us about cooking,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't necessarily think that was intentionally wasting time. It's
Speaker 2: just something doing what we love, right, Yeah, well.
Speaker 3: And it isn't. I shouldn't say wasting time. It's just
Speaker 3: it's a way for me to pass the time, yes,
Speaker 3: and I just it's also my way of sharing what
Speaker 3: what I grew up with with my kids, and you know,
Speaker 3: and it's funny because I love bold flavor, and you know,
Speaker 3: my father was the day you know, my dad was
Speaker 3: a truck driver. So for from the time I was
Speaker 3: four actually, I guess my first time in a semi
Speaker 3: was I was two till he was or til I
Speaker 3: was fourteen, which is when he kind of he got
Speaker 3: hurt me to stop truck driving. You know. For those
Speaker 3: twelve years, he and I would all summer, I would
Speaker 3: go all over the country with my dad and he
Speaker 3: would be and it was so funny because I love
Speaker 3: my mother. She was a good cook, but she didn't
Speaker 3: use a lot of spices and flavorings. And she'd say, well,
Speaker 3: that's because your dad doesn't like, you know, that type
Speaker 3: of food. But every time we went out, my dad
Speaker 3: would find the places that had just huge flavor yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, you know, and finally at one
Speaker 3: point I looked back and went, I just think mom
Speaker 3: doesn't like it.
Speaker 2: You may be onto something there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was a fun part of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I find with people that really like to cook,
Speaker 2: they like all of it. They like shopping for the
Speaker 2: food and being really discriminatory about exactly what they're getting
Speaker 2: and how much pats on it, because you know, if
Speaker 2: you're going to slow cook something you don't that's not
Speaker 2: going to bother you at all. It's gonna render out
Speaker 2: and then it'll go right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the longer the better.
Speaker 2: And then the knife work and the preparation and you know,
Speaker 2: if you're going to you know, put it in and
Speaker 2: marinade for a while or overnight or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's all just steps in the process. You know.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, that's that's the same thing. To turn to
Speaker 3: me the one day and the kids or my my
Speaker 3: son literally just turned to me and went we went
Speaker 3: down and tried place down near him, and he cheered. Run.
Speaker 3: He goes, this is probably the closest thing to your
Speaker 3: chicken wings and your your chicken tenders you used to
Speaker 3: make when we were on family vacations. Wow, He's like,
Speaker 3: these are probably the closest things to it. And you know,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, it was darn it was pretty
Speaker 3: dying close to what I do. And he goes, but
Speaker 3: you just literally like here, I watched you because you
Speaker 3: you turn around, walked in the one day and went okay,
Speaker 3: here's some buttermilk, here's some this, and boom, and then
Speaker 3: write it and he goes, I you know, he always
Speaker 3: tells me, he goes, there's times where I just look
Speaker 3: back and go okay, And and that's his comparison when
Speaker 3: it comes to like chicken wings, chicken chicken tenders, and
Speaker 3: that type of things. He goes, I compare it back
Speaker 3: to your cooking and I sat there and like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll take that as compliments.
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, you said a standard no question
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, and now you can tell him the truth.
Speaker 2: It's magic.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and you know, actually with with him, he's
Speaker 3: I think he's kind of he's cut off the same
Speaker 3: block because he's the same kid that will walk in
Speaker 3: and you know, I, before him, I would have looked
Speaker 3: at sushi and walked away and never tried it. He's
Speaker 3: the one who talked me into trying sushi and going, hey,
Speaker 3: this isn't bad and then finding out actually delicious, And
Speaker 3: so you know that was He's the he actually was
Speaker 3: a little more adventurous than Jennini and that kind of
Speaker 3: led us to being what we do. So and now
Speaker 3: it's every time we go someplace, we're looking for something different.
Speaker 2: So it's yes, see, there's there's lots of different ways
Speaker 2: to see the world, but from the inside or the
Speaker 2: outside of a restaurant or a gee dunk or you
Speaker 2: know or something like that, not a bad way to go.
Speaker 2: It's all experience, isn't.
Speaker 3: It, every bit of every bit.
Speaker 2: So this will be an interesting one for you, Matt.
Speaker 2: I think what's your favorite movie to watch alone.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, that's gonna sound stupid, but as far I
Speaker 3: shouldn't say alone because honestly, there's nothing I like to
Speaker 3: sit there and just watch by myself. Okay, when Lex
Speaker 3: was around, it would have been some type of comedy
Speaker 3: but scary movie type thing, because that's that was her.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite movies, which is gonna sound stupid,
Speaker 3: is the movie Swat. Not because and everybody's like, well,
Speaker 3: that's because you're a cop. Well no, actually it's the
Speaker 3: training and everything that's behind that and understanding that you know,
Speaker 3: it's called special it's swats, special weapons and tactics. It's
Speaker 3: the tactics, not the weapons, right, And that's the part
Speaker 3: that always found I found interesting and looking at some
Speaker 3: of the things they did in the movie. And then
Speaker 3: you know, you know, with my background, you know, i
Speaker 3: am I've been a police officer going on twenty six years,
Speaker 3: so I've got my firearms instructor, chaser instructor, defensive tactics,
Speaker 3: use of force, pretty much any type of force training.
Speaker 3: I'm an instructor in it. And so to look back
Speaker 3: and look at the movie and go, oh, they did
Speaker 3: that shit, right, Yeah, you know, instead of most movies
Speaker 3: where you're look and go, oh, that is absolutely not
Speaker 3: how it works.
Speaker 2: Ye, right exactly. The yeah, rights permitted is what it
Speaker 2: comes down to sometimes, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was. That's one of those shows that
Speaker 3: I still look back and every once in a while
Speaker 3: and if it comes on, I'll sit out and watch it.
Speaker 3: And you know, and again, those are the types of
Speaker 3: things that you know, we would I would sit down
Speaker 3: and watch, and then I would find out, you know,
Speaker 3: Christian would be hiding around the corner trying to watch
Speaker 3: because you didn't want to let Dad know that you
Speaker 3: liked the movie too. Yeah, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 3: just depending on the show said that, that was probably
Speaker 3: one of the one of those movies that I would
Speaker 3: sit down and watch. But you know, still to this day,
Speaker 3: one of the movies I would sit down and watch
Speaker 3: in a heartbeat would be There's Two Labyrinths.
Speaker 2: Yes, and.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, why they just went out of my head. Oh,
Speaker 3: Princess Bray.
Speaker 2: Inconceivable. Absolutely, you know, I'll tell you that's fantastic. And
Speaker 2: and by the way, not not to step over it.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your service. I very much
Speaker 2: appreciate what rolled off of your tongue twenty six years
Speaker 2: as a cop. I appreciate you, I really do, especially
Speaker 2: these days. Thank you for your service, no problem. Yeah, So,
Speaker 2: now that we've got the movies handled, I know, anything
Speaker 2: with David Bowie is all right with me, you know.
Speaker 2: And Mandy Patankin is not a bad actor either, you know.
Speaker 2: Any Montoya, here's where we get it, where we get
Speaker 2: get into some fun, especially with somebody who's on the job.
Speaker 2: If you were to have an action figure made to you,
Speaker 2: what superpower would it have and what color would its
Speaker 2: uniform be?
Speaker 3: Well, uniform is going to be blue, even though I
Speaker 3: wear blue and brown I work, you know, I actually
Speaker 3: work for a couple of different entities, but twenty six
Speaker 3: years i've worn blue. Yeah, so I would stick with
Speaker 3: it would be well, probably a combination of red, white,
Speaker 3: and blue, just to be honest with you. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 3: I look back at a family history of you know,
Speaker 3: I have three brothers that were all in three different
Speaker 3: branches of the military, which Army or Navy, Marines, and
Speaker 3: Air Force. And then my father was in the army.
Speaker 3: And then I have three uncles that were in the military,
Speaker 3: and you know, lost one uncle in Vietnam. And so
Speaker 3: you know, I always honor that side because I didn't
Speaker 3: do that portion of it, and you know, there's times
Speaker 3: I think back going, but you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 3: glad the way things worked out because i'd have done
Speaker 3: the military, I would have met Jen.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, things happen the way they're supposed to,
Speaker 2: don't they. Yep. Yeah. The other thing too, is I
Speaker 2: think we find it a little with a lot of
Speaker 2: first responders, seventy to eighty percent of them are our
Speaker 2: x EX military yep. Yeah, which is actually yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends. Actually around here, what we're finding is
Speaker 3: about probably about between thirty and forty five percent military, yep.
Speaker 3: And then the rest either went to school for it
Speaker 3: or there's a couple guys that literally, I mean, I
Speaker 3: got two. I still want to call them kids because
Speaker 3: they're young enough to be my kids that literally just
Speaker 3: went through the academy and I'm looking at them like
Speaker 3: I have a child that's older than you, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it's fun It's funny because literally I've known him
Speaker 3: since he was seven years old and now he's a
Speaker 3: police officer. He's twenty one, and he's an officer with
Speaker 3: our local Sheriff's department. And you know, literally he and
Speaker 3: I sat down last week and he goes, he goes.
Speaker 3: You know how many times I would sit there and
Speaker 3: ask you questions and I said, I know, and he goes,
Speaker 3: and he goes. Now I expind myself asking questions. He goes,
Speaker 3: But now I'm actually listening and you know, and trying
Speaker 3: to learn, because he goes, he turned, he goes. Honestly,
Speaker 3: he goes, You've got so much knowledge, and he goes,
Speaker 3: and he keeps that, he'll ask me questions. He's like,
Speaker 3: he goes because you have just so much experience that
Speaker 3: what they give you and the academy can't compare to.
Speaker 3: So I take it as as a huge honor to
Speaker 3: sit down with a couple of those guys are going so.
Speaker 2: While so, and I guess that would probably lead to
Speaker 2: your superpower.
Speaker 3: Right, Actually, you know it's going to be weird superpower.
Speaker 3: But it's just the ability to stay calm.
Speaker 2: Is that a power you already have?
Speaker 3: Sometimes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sometimes you'd be able to point and click
Speaker 2: a little bit more often.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a there's a few points and times
Speaker 3: where you know, I've literally had to walk away and go, hey,
Speaker 3: somebody better get him out of my car, because if
Speaker 3: I go to get him out, he's gonna go through
Speaker 3: the window, you know, you know. Or there's been a
Speaker 3: few times where I've literally just turned to him and
Speaker 3: I walk him in, I put him in the jail.
Speaker 3: I look at him. I'm like, here, here's all your paperwork,
Speaker 3: sign and I'm gonna walk out the door. You can,
Speaker 3: you can hand the cuffs out after you get him off.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I'm just walking away because I don't
Speaker 3: need to hear his mouth anymore. And they'll look at
Speaker 3: me and they're like, you know, it's funny because some
Speaker 3: of the corrections officers like, gotcha know, and but also
Speaker 3: the one corrections offer goes, we've heard you know, You've
Speaker 3: you've brought in people that are screaming, hollering, and you're
Speaker 3: just like, you know, and then they're like, apparently they
Speaker 3: pushed the wrong button because you're ready to throw them
Speaker 3: at us.
Speaker 2: So you've got the state. But but your mileage may vary, right.
Speaker 3: Depending on the day.
Speaker 2: Yes, So, now, what did you want to grow up
Speaker 2: to be when you were five years old?
Speaker 3: Oh? You know, in a way, I think I did
Speaker 3: that done my dad just that was you know, my
Speaker 3: dad was the guy that he could do damn near anything.
Speaker 3: And you know, I mean when you look a guy
Speaker 3: who who graduates high school doesn't know he's good. He
Speaker 3: has a full ride scholarship to University of Michigan, joins
Speaker 3: the military, got into West Point and then got kicked
Speaker 3: out of West Point because he wore glasses because at
Speaker 3: that time you couldn't have glasses and be a part
Speaker 3: of West Point. And then his job in the military
Speaker 3: was building Nike missile bases. So he would literally build
Speaker 3: a nuclear missile work site one day. Four days later,
Speaker 3: they'd tear it down and move it to a different spot.
Speaker 3: And he went all over the country and sometimes out
Speaker 3: of the country to do that while he was in
Speaker 3: the military. And you just sit there and look back
Speaker 3: and go, Okay, there's got to be something there. And
Speaker 3: you know, he was also the same guy that would
Speaker 3: sit down and I'd watch him. You know, the Harry
Speaker 3: Potter books when those came out, he read the books
Speaker 3: in two or three days. And the only other person
Speaker 3: I know that read him that fast was my son,
Speaker 3: and he book's done. And you know, I would sit
Speaker 3: there and look at him both going how because you know,
Speaker 3: when I read the book, it took me, you know,
Speaker 3: ten days, but just the way they were and how
Speaker 3: they both are, that's fly through it and remember almost
Speaker 3: every word. And you know, that just always impressed me.
Speaker 3: And you know, to have a guy who you know,
Speaker 3: worked on And that was the other thing I always
Speaker 3: laughed at because somebody, you know, some of my friends
Speaker 3: would look at me and go, you know, my dad's
Speaker 3: up and I just look at him, like, have you
Speaker 3: ever looked at the size of my father? The guys
Speaker 3: six feet tall, he's three hundred and forty five pounds,
Speaker 3: and yeah, he's got a beer he's got a little
Speaker 3: bit of a beer belly, but there ain't no beer
Speaker 3: in there because he don't drink beer, right, But his
Speaker 3: arms are as big as my legs. And you know,
Speaker 3: he would he and you know I laughed because I
Speaker 3: seen a picture of my father when he was in
Speaker 3: high school, his senior picture. This guy was five eight
Speaker 3: and one hundred and thirty eight pounds. Wow, he went
Speaker 3: into the military. Still five eight hundred and thirty eight
Speaker 3: pounds comes out of the military. He's six feet tall,
Speaker 3: he's two hundred and sixty five pounds, absolutely ripped like
Speaker 3: a beast. And his first job was at Pontiac Motors,
Speaker 3: and his job was picking up the V eight engine
Speaker 3: block off of one conveyor, carrying it twenty yards to
Speaker 3: the next one and did that for eight hours a day.
Speaker 3: And if my father and the one other guy that
Speaker 3: could do it weren't on that shift, the line shut out.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And so I sat there, I'm like, you know, and
Speaker 3: then my you know, my dad would tell the stories
Speaker 3: of you know, here he is. He was walked into
Speaker 3: work in Pontiac Motors by the Black Panthers because that
Speaker 3: was back in sixty eight during the riots, and he
Speaker 3: would get walked. My mother would drive him stop five
Speaker 3: blocks away from Pontiac assembly line plan stop. My father
Speaker 3: would meet up with the Black Panthers and you know,
Speaker 3: eight or ten other employees and they would walk my father.
Speaker 3: And my father was the only white guy walking in.
Speaker 3: I'm the midnight shift. He's here around, He's like, and
Speaker 3: the guys told him, they're like, yeah, no, he goes.
Speaker 3: These guys are going to walk you in every night
Speaker 3: to make sure you make it into work, because if
Speaker 3: you're not here, we don't make money, right, And so
Speaker 3: and I always laughed at that because here's my dad,
Speaker 3: you know, good sized guy, and he always sat there.
Speaker 3: He's like, it's the weirdest thing, and you know, and
Speaker 3: I always laughed because I turned to him and somebody say, well,
Speaker 3: didn't that feel strange, and my dad to go no,
Speaker 3: and you'd look at him and they'd be like, well,
Speaker 3: but but my dad goes they were all my friends, yes,
Speaker 3: you know. And I always laugh because people would look
Speaker 3: at us, you know. And I still have that said
Speaker 3: to me, a lot of oh, you're a cops, you're racist.
Speaker 3: Now look at him like I didn't even know your
Speaker 3: skin was a different color, you know. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'll I'll give you one story because I still think
Speaker 3: this is probably one of the funniest things ever happened
Speaker 3: on traffic stop with me. I had a car I
Speaker 3: pulled over for our drug unit calls and says, hey,
Speaker 3: you need to stop this car. We're pretty sure they
Speaker 3: just made a drug pass blah blah blah blah and
Speaker 3: made a buy off of these people. And I'm like, christ,
Speaker 3: So I pull this car over and it's an older suburban.
Speaker 3: The plate on it comes back to Ah, I want
Speaker 3: to well it was a Paniac or a Chevy and Pala.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well and pretty much not an Impala. And
Speaker 3: this is during the middle of COVID time, right, So
Speaker 3: there's this whole big rigamarole about run plates and everything else.
Speaker 3: And so I go up and there's six guys in
Speaker 3: this car and they're all African American and they're all shaken,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I come up and I talk to
Speaker 3: the one and he's like, you know, the driver, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I got a driver's license, but I left it in
Speaker 3: the car. I left it in my pants. It's at
Speaker 3: the hotel and blah blah, blah blah. And he's the
Speaker 3: only one that actually had a driver's license with the
Speaker 3: six people in the car, and I'm like, okay, So
Speaker 3: I'm going through and I'm getting everybody's information and I'm
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, guys, this is why we're stopped one
Speaker 3: because of the plate and this and this, And I said, now,
Speaker 3: somebody told me you guys made a hand passed with
Speaker 3: somebody else. Looked like you passed money for drugs. And
Speaker 3: the guy goes to the one guy in the back
Speaker 3: seat goes, I bought we and I'm like, is that
Speaker 3: all you bought? Yeah, so you sure? And they're like, well,
Speaker 3: what do you mean? I said, I don't care about weed.
Speaker 3: It's Michigan. The law has changed. Weed's legal. I said,
Speaker 3: is that's all that's in the car, And they're like,
Speaker 3: well yeah, I said, are you sure? And they're like, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, and the one got stopped. I'm like okay,
Speaker 3: and the other guys said, looking at him, going if
Speaker 3: you got something else, you better tell him right now.
Speaker 3: Just let's go. And they're like no, no, no, all
Speaker 3: I got to the weed, and I'm like, okay, so
Speaker 3: we get them all out. I searched the car and
Speaker 3: I find, you know, a couple you know, I think
Speaker 3: it's like four or five cigarettes of marijuana right underneath
Speaker 3: that guy where he was seated at you know, he
Speaker 3: gave me one, but he put the other four underneath
Speaker 3: the seat, you know, like I wasn't gonna find it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, I don't care. So I walked back.
Speaker 3: I hand him his weed. I'm like, is this were
Speaker 3: those yours? Okay? Here, put them in your pocket. I
Speaker 3: don't care, and you know, and I pulled him all
Speaker 3: out and I searched him and I handcuffed each one
Speaker 3: and I literally I'm like, guys, only got five pair
Speaker 3: and they're six ye, so you know, and I looked
Speaker 3: at two of them. I'm like, do me a favor,
Speaker 3: you know, And you know, I literally hooked two of
Speaker 3: them around my bumper, handcuffed to each other, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't think you're gonna drag him through
Speaker 3: the bumper. Okay. So we're talking and I back and
Speaker 3: I unhandcoff them all and I'm putting them all back
Speaker 3: in the car. And we go back up to the car,
Speaker 3: and as I'm handing the information back and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: here's your license, here's your license, all right, here's yours,
Speaker 3: here's the you know. And I'm like, explain to me
Speaker 3: the plate on the car. And the guy goes, well,
Speaker 3: I own the plate and I just bought the car
Speaker 3: a week ago, and I'm going to transfer that plate,
Speaker 3: but I can't transfer it until and I looked at him,
Speaker 3: I said, do me a favor. Somebody get a screw driver,
Speaker 3: go out and take the plate off. I said, because
Speaker 3: right now you've got an improper plate, which means I
Speaker 3: can toll your vehicle, and I said, which means your
Speaker 3: plate can be impounded, the vehicle can be impounded. I said,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do any of that stuff. And uh,
Speaker 3: As I'm handing the guy the paperwork, he drops his
Speaker 3: license and he goes to reach for it, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, he just starts shaking and he's like,
Speaker 3: I wasn't reaching for anything. I'm like, neither was I. Dude,
Speaker 3: just chill out and he goes. And it was so
Speaker 3: funny because the guy in the back seat, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I hear this, and this guy and of
Speaker 3: course the guy who did it, I mean, he's he's
Speaker 3: probably one of the darkest guys in the car. And
Speaker 3: one of the other guys turns and goes, oh my god,
Speaker 3: he just turned late.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm glad you guys can joke about it.
Speaker 3: And they're like no, no, and we're sitting there and
Speaker 3: we're laughing about I'm like, so I didn't reach for
Speaker 3: nothing either, dude, don't worry about it. You're all good.
Speaker 3: And we had the conversation and the guy looks at
Speaker 3: me and goes, you know, you're probably you're probably the
Speaker 3: coolest officer we've ever met. And I said, well, I said,
Speaker 3: do me a favor. I said, one, drive back to
Speaker 3: the hotel. Get your damn driver's license, so you got
Speaker 3: it with you for the driver. And he's like, yep.
Speaker 3: I said, go back to the hotel. You're only a
Speaker 3: mile away. Go back, get your driver's license. Drive out
Speaker 3: to Saga do get the stuff done. You guys got
Speaker 3: to get done out there. Come on back because they're
Speaker 3: working here in town. And I said, and we'll call
Speaker 3: it good. I said, but make sure that plate's not
Speaker 3: on this vehicle any longer. I said. You guys don't
Speaker 3: need the headaches, you know. And I said if you've
Speaker 3: got an appointment scheduled, and he's like, well, I do,
Speaker 3: but it's not for six and a half months. I said, okay,
Speaker 3: drive around with little license plate. I said, you got insurance. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: have fun, man, I said, you might get stopped. I said,
Speaker 3: but it's easier for me for us to deal with this,
Speaker 3: for with you saying, hey, look here I got the
Speaker 3: you know, I've got an appointment. I got all this scheduled.
Speaker 3: I said, I can deal with that a lot easier
Speaker 3: than that bad plate. And the guy looks at me
Speaker 3: and goes, wow. He goes, you're probably the coolest officer
Speaker 3: we ever met. I said, well, that's cool. I said,
Speaker 3: you guys have a great day, you know, send them
Speaker 3: on their way. And about three days goes by and
Speaker 3: I'm not paying attention. I I have a tendency every
Speaker 3: once in a while I'll stop and I would get
Speaker 3: gin a diet coke from McDonald's, right, so just pull
Speaker 3: up and order her a diet coke. And I'm sitting
Speaker 3: there and all of a sudden, they're like, yeah, the
Speaker 3: car in front of it paid for your paid for
Speaker 3: your drink. And I'm like, oh, okay, and I look
Speaker 3: up and I see it. All six were in the
Speaker 3: car waving at the back.
Speaker 2: You got a fan club now, and I'm like, you know.
Speaker 3: I wave. I'm like, thank you, guys, have a great day.
Speaker 3: Boom boom boom done. And I laughed because I've seen him.
Speaker 3: About a week later, they're in the parking lot of
Speaker 3: the hotel where they were at. I'm like, hey, how's
Speaker 3: everything going, and they're like, sweet, oh, it's good. That's
Speaker 3: We're glad at you. You know, answered a couple questions
Speaker 3: for him and on the way, and you know, it
Speaker 3: was just funny because the one guy torontoes. I've never
Speaker 3: dealt with a police officer who you know that we
Speaker 3: didn't have problems with. And I looked at her, do
Speaker 3: me a favor. I said, you know, your buddy, here's
Speaker 3: got to warrant. I'll take care of I said, you're
Speaker 3: making money now, so it's one hundred dollars, fine, go
Speaker 3: pay it all. Oh, okay, cool, you know, but it
Speaker 3: was just unique to sit there and have that conversation
Speaker 3: with them and have them look at me and go,
Speaker 3: you're not the normal police officer. And I said, never happened.
Speaker 2: You know what. I appreciate that. And I think you
Speaker 2: and I don't know what it's like, you know, especially
Speaker 2: around that area. My dad was raised in Detroit in
Speaker 2: the city. My grandparents lived about six blocks off at
Speaker 2: Algiers where the riots were. Yeah, and I don't remember
Speaker 2: for sure what street they were on because they moved
Speaker 2: after that, but it was, you know, it was downtown.
Speaker 2: And he had the same kind of stories. He was
Speaker 2: a chief's supervisor or superintendent at Chrysler, you know, an
Speaker 2: axle plant or something, and he said, ninety percent of
Speaker 2: the people that work for me or black, he said.
Speaker 2: And he said, and they don't get away with anything.
Speaker 3: Nope, you know, and I laughed because they you know, like,
Speaker 3: these guys were sitting there and I actually just seen
Speaker 3: one of them because they're One of the guys is
Speaker 3: back working for the same company. H Michigan Sugar has
Speaker 3: a big sugar plant all bite near us and they
Speaker 3: have a substation just outside of Sandusky. And the guy's
Speaker 3: back working and he's like, this is so neat that
Speaker 3: you're you know that you know you're still here. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, I do, no big deal, you know,
Speaker 3: and he It was funny because Toronto goes you probably
Speaker 3: don't recognize me. I'm like, I looked at him, like no,
Speaker 3: but I recognize the suburban.
Speaker 2: There you go. You know, that's one of the cool
Speaker 2: things about the line of work that you're in. You
Speaker 2: have the days that are stressful, but you also have
Speaker 2: the stories where you can have just this basic human
Speaker 2: connection with people. And so I'm going to ask you,
Speaker 2: you know, what would you say your greatest accomplishment is,
Speaker 2: h Well, that.
Speaker 3: Would be the two people we raised. Yeah, those two.
Speaker 3: I mean I looked back and Lex was you know,
Speaker 3: she's a chip off of her mother. You know, when
Speaker 3: you look back and realize, you know, here's a girl
Speaker 3: who I used to tell us they weren't they weren't volunteered.
Speaker 3: They were volunteered to do things, which they were, and
Speaker 3: but they did so many different things. You know, they
Speaker 3: helped with kids, camps for underprivileged children, they helped with
Speaker 3: kids that were you know, LEXI spent time I'm at
Speaker 3: the child Advocacy Center. And then for her to go
Speaker 3: back to school and her to make a decision that
Speaker 3: you know, her degree was in nonprofit administration, so she
Speaker 3: wanted to do what her mother was doing. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so that was a huge one. And then with Christian
Speaker 3: his I still think it was funny. But he always
Speaker 3: told us he wanted to be a pilot, and we
Speaker 3: I mean we actually have pictures his one of his
Speaker 3: senior pictures is him in a Western church because they
Speaker 3: had the pilot program. And he literally, I mean when
Speaker 3: we visited Western, he turned and he's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to need a dorm room. I'll be living here
Speaker 3: at the you know, at the airport, you know type thing.
Speaker 3: And we were all like, okay, that's where he's going
Speaker 3: to go and then all of a sudden, just before
Speaker 3: the end of his senior year, he chose to go
Speaker 3: to Central Michigan. And were looked at him and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: why and he looks at me and goes, well, you know, Dad,
Speaker 3: I can He goes, I can go to school for
Speaker 3: four years at Central. He goes, it's gonna goes. They're
Speaker 3: not offering many scholarships. They're not offering this, They're not
Speaker 3: offering that. He said, you know, after four years of
Speaker 3: schooling maybe five, because the way the program is, I
Speaker 3: could be making close to one hundred thousand dollars a year,
Speaker 3: but I also have probably one hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 3: dollars in debt. I said, Okay, he goes, Central's offering
Speaker 3: me a scholarship. I can go to school. I can
Speaker 3: work in IT technology, I can get my degree. I
Speaker 3: can and then his other aspect of that was but
Speaker 3: in order to make that one hundred and ten one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year, I'm never home.
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, he goes. If I go to school
Speaker 3: for IT technology, I can make one hundred and ten
Speaker 3: thousand for my basement and I looked at him. I said, yep,
Speaker 3: you're right, and I turned and I said, now I
Speaker 3: want you to remember one key thing of how you
Speaker 3: said this. And he goes, what's that? I said, you
Speaker 3: said your basement, not my basement, your basement. And he
Speaker 3: looked and goes, oh, I see how it's gonna be,
Speaker 3: you know, But it was just it was a running joke.
Speaker 3: But because he literally I remember him telling my wife,
Speaker 3: you know, I think he was like eight or nine,
Speaker 3: and he told her. He goes, well, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go get married and then me and my wife
Speaker 3: are going to move in here with you guys. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, hell now, uhh. And you know, because he
Speaker 3: just loved to be home, you know, and he's kind
Speaker 3: of a homebody. But he's also, like I said, he's
Speaker 3: the kid that would try anything when it came to food,
Speaker 3: and you know, he was the challenge. He was the
Speaker 3: one that you'd sit there and go okay, and you know,
Speaker 3: my daughter was easy because it's gonna be it's either
Speaker 3: spaghetti or it's gonna be chicken tenders and French friends.
Speaker 3: And then here he is going, oh no, I want
Speaker 3: sushi and I want this and I want this and
Speaker 3: I want to try, you know. You know, he's the
Speaker 3: kid who churning to me the one day he goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: did you see that rattlesnake on the menu? And I
Speaker 3: looked him like it tastes like chicken, you know yeah,
Speaker 3: And he looks, goes, how do you know, I said, Grandpapa.
Speaker 2: You know yeah, I mean you see that movie everything
Speaker 2: tastes like chicken. It came from the Matrix. It was
Speaker 2: so beautiful, beautiful kids. And you know, I also want
Speaker 2: to just say I'm so sorry about your your loss
Speaker 2: with lex, you know, because she was an extraordinary young lady.
Speaker 2: And I don't really want to cut you short or
Speaker 2: take you something you really don't want to talk. But
Speaker 2: I'm real interested in who your favorite person to listen
Speaker 2: to is.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I let's let's see. As far as music goes,
Speaker 3: I listen from anything from Beethoven to Metallica and a
Speaker 3: C D C yep and I and and I love
Speaker 3: all kinds of kinds of music, which I still to
Speaker 3: this day in the same way. I mean, my dad
Speaker 3: used to pick on me, you know, because my father
Speaker 3: was the guy who played uh, let's see, he played
Speaker 3: baritone bass, sax trouble trouble saxophone, and he played five
Speaker 3: different saxophones in the clarinet when he was in high school.
Speaker 3: And then I'm the guy who I play. I played
Speaker 3: the clarinet for a year, I got switched to tuba,
Speaker 3: and then in the middle of that I played tuba
Speaker 3: and trombone and then baritone, and then the percussion system
Speaker 3: would play the drums during and literally there were times
Speaker 3: during certain songs when I was in band that I
Speaker 3: would put down my tube and go over and play
Speaker 3: the timpani and then come back and pick up my
Speaker 3: tuba in the middle of the same song. And you know,
Speaker 3: just in general, I just love any type of music,
Speaker 3: and that's where I would sit down, and to this day,
Speaker 3: I will sit down and listen to just about anything. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and there's and I really can't say there's. I don't
Speaker 3: really have a favorite song. Well I do, but that
Speaker 3: has more to do with.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that was the song that we chose as our
Speaker 3: wedding song.
Speaker 2: So an our song, right, Yeah, I think people who
Speaker 2: are in love with each other have an hour song.
Speaker 2: If you're not in love with each other, they don't
Speaker 2: have our songs for some reason.
Speaker 3: No, no, so's.
Speaker 2: It's this is great stuff, you know, and so you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how old you are, but please complete
Speaker 2: this sentence when I grow up, I'd like to.
Speaker 3: Honestly, that's changed so much now. My goal and I
Speaker 3: part of my job is I go into the schools
Speaker 3: and I teach a program called Team, which is teaching, educating,
Speaker 3: and mentoring, and that has that's more of a passion
Speaker 3: now in working with the kids, you know, because I
Speaker 3: teach programs from k all the way up through kindergarten
Speaker 3: all the way through twelfth grade. And then because of
Speaker 3: the kids, I went and got my self defense classes
Speaker 3: because I literally was at one school and I asked
Speaker 3: the kids, what's one thing that we've talked about or
Speaker 3: something that we didn't talk about that you think you
Speaker 3: should know? And I had twenty two girls out of
Speaker 3: a twenty eight the senior class the one year out
Speaker 3: of the one school, there was like twenty eight kids
Speaker 3: and there's only like six boys. And all twenty two
Speaker 3: girls told me the same thing. They wanted a self
Speaker 3: defense class, and they felt that that was something they needed.
Speaker 3: And so I started researching into self defense courses and
Speaker 3: found that there was one that I really liked, and
Speaker 3: it was something i'd been interested in for or you know,
Speaker 3: had looked into several years ago for myself, right, And
Speaker 3: so I started taking the classes on my own for
Speaker 3: myself that I found a class that actually incorporated for
Speaker 3: law enforcement, and then took the Personal Defense Readiness course
Speaker 3: through SPEAR. And you know, I think just being able
Speaker 3: to impart that knowledge to these kids in all these
Speaker 3: different topics, whether it's you know, teaching about vaping and
Speaker 3: you know. And I tell the kids, I said, you know,
Speaker 3: my job is not to harp on you and tell
Speaker 3: you what bad things are going to happen to you. Right.
Speaker 3: I can tell you what the law is, but I
Speaker 3: also know the law doesn't matter. I said. What you
Speaker 3: need to know is how this affects you physically, what
Speaker 3: this can do to your body, and then you can
Speaker 3: make an educated and informed decision. If this is something
Speaker 3: you want to continue doing, that's your choice. If it's
Speaker 3: something you want to If you're already doing it and
Speaker 3: you want to quit, here's some resources on how to quit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know, and I tell the kids, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I said, this is only a few I got eight
Speaker 3: here and I'll tell them. I'm like, here, I got
Speaker 3: to you know, I'll pull up my phone and I've
Speaker 3: got a list of them. I said, you can take
Speaker 3: a screenshot, you know, come up, take a picture of
Speaker 3: my phone. You've got all the information, same thing I'm
Speaker 3: giving you, and you can do what you want. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to ask you for your vape. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to ask you for your name. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to do anything. I'm not even going to ask for
Speaker 3: if this is for you or if it's for your
Speaker 3: you know, and all of them will, you know, half
Speaker 3: of them will say, well, it's for my mom or
Speaker 3: it's for my brother or whatever, and I'm like whatever,
Speaker 3: I don't care. But you know, I did the one
Speaker 3: course at the one school for it was five hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty kids last year at the one school, and
Speaker 3: earlier this year, I went back in there. We're scheduling
Speaker 3: up the next for me to do that same course
Speaker 3: again this upcoming year. And there were ten kids that
Speaker 3: walked up and said thank you, and I looked at
Speaker 3: him like, huh. In the once a round goes thanks
Speaker 3: for what he goes. Your class meant a lot last year,
Speaker 3: and that's all I said.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Then they turned to me and they said, yeah, we haven't.
Speaker 3: We haven't seen him in the bathroom as much this year.
Speaker 3: So I'm like okay. And you know there was nine
Speaker 3: other kids that said the same thing. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: so by providing education, ten of them quit success.
Speaker 2: How about that? Huh?
Speaker 3: You know? And the principal turned to me and goes,
Speaker 3: we need you to do that again because you know,
Speaker 3: we've got the younger kids that are not seeing this yet.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's fine.
Speaker 2: So important work it really is is I mean, you're
Speaker 2: giving kids something to stand on a little bit more confidence,
Speaker 2: you know, if you know that you're you can handle
Speaker 2: yourself and can get away, which is what self defense
Speaker 2: is all about. It's not about fighting with somebody, it's
Speaker 2: about escaping, you know. So the interesting thing and all
Speaker 2: of that is is that you've done that kind of
Speaker 2: work with people of all ages, and to do it
Speaker 2: with kids is so important. But what would today is
Speaker 2: the most important thing in life to you right now?
Speaker 3: Well? That came from actually my study in self defense,
Speaker 3: we do a deep dive into fear and understanding your fears. Yep,
Speaker 3: And you know I have one fear and people look
Speaker 3: at you and go, oh, you know. Actually, the guy
Speaker 3: who teaches the class turn to me the one day
Speaker 3: he goes, oh, you're probably like everybody else, you're you're
Speaker 3: afraid of death. And I looked at me. I said, oh,
Speaker 3: how him and I don't get a lot. I don't
Speaker 3: care about him at all. Yeah, when that happens, it happens,
Speaker 3: I don't care a shit. Yeah, I said my fear.
Speaker 3: I said, my only fear is losing les or losing
Speaker 3: Christian and gen. Yeah, those are my fears. And I said,
Speaker 3: and that's something I can't there's nothing I can do
Speaker 3: about it, but you know, And then I turned to
Speaker 3: him my tongue. I'm like, that's the only fears I have.
Speaker 3: And he'll look at me, and he finally the one
Speaker 3: day he turned around and we literally sat down and
Speaker 3: we talked for probably like forty five minutes, right, fear.
Speaker 3: And he looked at me and goes, you're the first
Speaker 3: guy I'm gonna I'm gonna believe who said you don't
Speaker 3: fear death? And I said no, I said, honestly, I
Speaker 3: said there's times. I said, you know, I said, I
Speaker 3: faced it so many times. And I said, and not
Speaker 3: you know, I said, I've you know, part of my
Speaker 3: job is for for twenty five of my twenty six years,
Speaker 3: i've been a medical examiner special investigator, so I investigate
Speaker 3: every death that takes place within my jurisdiction. So you know,
Speaker 3: I've faced it. I've seen it. I've seen the bad side,
Speaker 3: I've seen the good side. And the one thing I
Speaker 3: learned is that the way and how I approach the
Speaker 3: living means everything more than what I did than what
Speaker 3: took place when I was dealing with the debt, right,
Speaker 3: And that's where I find my my side of turning
Speaker 3: to like, you know, this little this younger kid who's
Speaker 3: asking me questions in law enforcement, and I'll turn to him.
Speaker 3: I not the first out look at him and says,
Speaker 3: the one thing you've got to learn is I said,
Speaker 3: And he took I turned him. I said, don't ever,
Speaker 3: I said, especially in this situation. I said, it's easy
Speaker 3: for somebody to say I'm sorry. And I said, and
Speaker 3: that's probably I said to me, that's the worst thing
Speaker 3: you can say. Yeah, And he looks and goes, what
Speaker 3: do you mean? I said, I said, you can look
Speaker 3: at him and go I'm trying to understand how you feel.
Speaker 3: And you know, if you have some knowledge, you can say,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know exactly how you feel, but
Speaker 3: I you know, I have lost somebody in my past,
Speaker 3: and I understand how that can affect you. I said,
Speaker 3: but use your empathy. I said, empathy will get you
Speaker 3: so much further than sympathy. And the one kid looked
Speaker 3: at me and goes, oh, good God. And I told him,
Speaker 3: I said, I said, that's the hardest thing you will
Speaker 3: ever have to do, right, I said, because you know,
Speaker 3: in law enforcement they tell you you're not supposed to feel anything.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be a rock. And I said, you
Speaker 3: can't be. No, then you're just a dick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're that guy.
Speaker 3: And he looks at me and goes And I turned
Speaker 3: to him and I said, and I know you you're not a dick. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And he looked at me and goes, okay, you know,
Speaker 3: and he just kind of stepped back and he's like,
Speaker 3: that's probably the best advice I've been given. And I
Speaker 3: turned him. I'm like, said, that's the one advice I
Speaker 3: can give everybody is that's the one thing you gotta do,
Speaker 3: is you need to be a human being. You can't
Speaker 3: be a robot. Yeah, you know, And I said, and
Speaker 3: human beings use empathy, not sympathy. And he turned and
Speaker 3: he finally looked at me and goes, I get you know,
Speaker 3: I really understand where you're coming from. I said, I
Speaker 3: know you do. And I said, you know, just think
Speaker 3: of what you've gone through, and you've had losses, and
Speaker 3: you've had things that happened. It might not be the
Speaker 3: exact same, but if you can use compassion and empathy,
Speaker 3: you'll get so much further. And then, like I told him,
Speaker 3: I said, it's kind of like I said, when you're
Speaker 3: dealing with a suspect. I said, you know, there are
Speaker 3: so many times where I have wanted to literally reach
Speaker 3: across the table and grab this guy and beat the
Speaker 3: hell out of him, but I also know I can't.
Speaker 3: But I also know if I can get him to
Speaker 3: think I'm his friend, I might get a confession, which
Speaker 3: might save victim. And he kind of looked at me
Speaker 3: and goes, and I said, some of the best interviews
Speaker 3: you'll ever do is when you sit there and you
Speaker 3: talk to a guy who you may I said, I said,
Speaker 3: and you might have to do this, I said, I've
Speaker 3: done it to myself where I've gone, and I know,
Speaker 3: I'm like walking and going, Okay, he's a human being.
Speaker 3: He deserves to be treated like one. He's a human being.
Speaker 3: He deserves to be treated like one. And then after
Speaker 3: he walks out and we're done, and I've got all
Speaker 3: the confession and I got all the information I needed,
Speaker 3: and he's walking back and he's leaving, and he's going
Speaker 3: probably in ninety percent of the time, he's going to
Speaker 3: a cell and I'm like, okay, did my part. And
Speaker 3: as soon as I'm out of their sight, I look
Speaker 3: and I'm like punching a wall like a point. Ye
Speaker 3: oh that he's a shit, you know. And then I
Speaker 3: told him, I said, that's the hard thing. I said,
Speaker 3: but that's what you've got to do to get your
Speaker 3: your points true. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so, Matt, what would you like to leave in
Speaker 2: the world after you're done?
Speaker 3: Well, I know I'm going to leave a garden on
Speaker 3: which you know, but I hope the one thing because
Speaker 3: I challenge my when I do do a class, i'm
Speaker 3: bullying or when I did my class. I did a
Speaker 3: class earlier this week where we talked about safety and
Speaker 3: we talk about you know, one of the things I
Speaker 3: talked to the kids about is you have rights, and
Speaker 3: some of those rights and we'll talk about that. They
Speaker 3: have the right to be safe, they have the right
Speaker 3: to be themselves. But with that right, you also have
Speaker 3: the responsibility to allow everybody else to be themselves as well.
Speaker 3: And we talk about that, and then I tell them,
Speaker 3: I said, I carry my challenge right here on my arm.
Speaker 3: You know, I have a tattoo that says it's got
Speaker 3: a blue rose and then it's got a monarch butterfly
Speaker 3: with the name Chevelle over it, and then a blue
Speaker 3: tiger yellow tiger swallowtail with the name Riviera underneath it,
Speaker 3: which is my two granddaughters, and then it says love, laugh,
Speaker 3: live like Lexi. And I tell the kids, I said,
Speaker 3: this is my challenge to me, and I make the
Speaker 3: same challenge to you, and now look at me, and
Speaker 3: I go, this is the challenge. I said. Lexi was
Speaker 3: the child that no matter what age level, grade, whatever,
Speaker 3: she would go find somebody who is by themselves and
Speaker 3: go talk with yep. And many times almost every one
Speaker 3: of those people will say she was one of my
Speaker 3: best friends. And her thing was she'd been bullied and
Speaker 3: she knew what it was like, but she also knew
Speaker 3: she didn't like it, and she didn't want to put
Speaker 3: anybody else through it, so she would and encourage them
Speaker 3: to be themselves. And so you know, I still say this.
Speaker 3: You know, when I told Jen, I said, you know,
Speaker 3: well we lost lax, I said, I gained I gained
Speaker 3: two more sons. I said, I lost my daughter and
Speaker 3: my granddaughters, but I gained two sons. Jason, who was
Speaker 3: Lexi's best friend, and you know, he he came out
Speaker 3: because Lexi encouraged him to be himself. And you know,
Speaker 3: he actually turned to Jen and I a little while
Speaker 3: ago and said, you know, if I get married, can
Speaker 3: you guys walk me down the aisle? And I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: You know, he and I talked probably well, well, I
Speaker 3: message him through Snapchat a couple times a week and
Speaker 3: we talked back and forth. And then there's a couple
Speaker 3: of times we'll talk and we might talk or text
Speaker 3: message for half hour, forty five minutes or talk. And
Speaker 3: it's funny because he'll turn and go, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: and he'll say the same thing because he recently, just
Speaker 3: after Let's passed, he lost his dad and he said,
Speaker 3: he goes, it's nice knowing I have a dad still,
Speaker 3: you know. So and then Derek, who was lexi fiance,
Speaker 3: you know, he's still you know, he's still a part
Speaker 3: of the family and always will be. And so you know,
Speaker 3: turned him like, so I went from having a son
Speaker 3: and a daughter to having three sons. Yeah, and you
Speaker 3: know that's been a it's been a tough change, but
Speaker 3: it's still you know. And like I told them, I said,
Speaker 3: I challenge I'll challenge the kids, and I'll have the
Speaker 3: kids look at me and go, oh my god. And
Speaker 3: I told him, I said, Now, the funny thing is
Speaker 3: because they looked and the one girl goes, well, your
Speaker 3: tattoos in the wrong order, and I said, oh no,
Speaker 3: actually it's not. I said, you know, the sign says live, laugh, love,
Speaker 3: and they said, well, yeah, but your says love, laugh, live,
Speaker 3: And I said, well, that's because Lexi wanted to buy
Speaker 3: one of those signs, but she didn't want the ones
Speaker 3: that were attached. She wanted them so the words were
Speaker 3: separated because she wanted to put them love, laugh, live.
Speaker 3: And I finally looked at her and I said, okay,
Speaker 3: explain yourself. Why why you know, what's with the change
Speaker 3: in the order. And she looked and she goes, well,
Speaker 3: you know, they say, if you live, you'll love and
Speaker 3: you'll laugh. And I said, yep. She goes, that's not
Speaker 3: the way it goes. She goes, you love and you laugh.
Speaker 3: She goes, you got love first, then you're always going
Speaker 3: to laugh. And she goes, and that's when you live.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, yean and argue with that logic.
Speaker 3: Nope, So you know, and that's where I always say.
Speaker 3: I said, so that's why it's love, laugh, live like Lexi,
Speaker 3: And I said, that's my challenge to live to her standards,
Speaker 3: and I challenge everybody else to the state standard. And
Speaker 3: when you tell that to a group of fifth graders
Speaker 3: or fourth graders and you know, and someone will look
Speaker 3: at you going and they're almost bawling. But then you've
Speaker 3: got I've got other kids that will sit there and go.
Speaker 3: And the one kid looked at me and goes, oh
Speaker 3: my god, you guys have the garden over in Sandusky,
Speaker 3: And I said, yeah. He goes go there every weekend,
Speaker 3: you know, and to hear that story and hear that
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, you know, So that's that's my goal,
Speaker 3: is to pass that on.
Speaker 2: I think that that is not only admirable, but it's
Speaker 2: also really great that you're able to see it in
Speaker 2: action while you're here. That's a big deal. So we're
Speaker 2: at the last question, believe it or not? And I know,
Speaker 2: you know about bakers, when you buy a dozen, they
Speaker 2: give you a thirteenth one. So I figured i'd give
Speaker 2: people a thirteenth question as well, you know, thirteenth for
Speaker 2: the price. Well, what is the thing that most people
Speaker 2: misunderstand about you, Matt?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess, like I said, it's a lot of
Speaker 3: it because of what I do for a living, right people,
Speaker 3: and then my size. I'm a big guy. They mistake that.
Speaker 3: They for some reason, everybody thinks I want to fight
Speaker 3: with everybody, And ninety percent of my time I don't
Speaker 3: want to fight with anybody, right, I want to talk.
Speaker 3: I want to you know. That's how I communicate, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think that's the one thing I want people
Speaker 3: to understand is, yeah, you can be a big guy,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I'm going to tell you if we get
Speaker 3: into a fight, it's probably not gonna go well, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm you know, and I will tell you I don't
Speaker 3: fight fair. I mean, there's no there's no such thing
Speaker 3: as a fair fight unless you're standing in the middle
Speaker 3: of a boxing ring or one of those MMA rings,
Speaker 3: even though sometimes are right, you know, so you know,
Speaker 3: but there's rules. I'm sorry, when I get into a fight,
Speaker 3: there's there's not a rule. It's just you know. And
Speaker 3: the answer to me is, I'm going home at night.
Speaker 3: I don't, you know. And I told the one guy,
Speaker 3: and I remember this one guy looking at me. I
Speaker 3: tr to him. I said, he said, you have two choices,
Speaker 3: and he looked. He goes, what's that. I said, we
Speaker 3: can go you can walk back in, and you can
Speaker 3: walk in and there won't be a problem. He goes, okay,
Speaker 3: but what's my other choice? I said, if we go
Speaker 3: through this, you're probably going to get dragged out of
Speaker 3: here in a stretcher. And the guy looked and I said,
Speaker 3: because I'm I looked at the guy. I'm like, you're
Speaker 3: you're six foot eight, you're almost four hundred pounds. I'll
Speaker 3: shoot your ass. And he was like what And I
Speaker 3: turned him. I'm like and I told him that. I said,
Speaker 3: I said, I'm not I said, you're huge, You're built
Speaker 3: like a mac truck and no offense, but I said,
Speaker 3: you know, if it comes down to it, I'll shoot
Speaker 3: you if I have to. And the guy looked and
Speaker 3: it was so funny because upholls this other officer because
Speaker 3: I was literally staring down this guy by myself and
Speaker 3: up this other guy and he runs over and he
Speaker 3: goes over and he hugs this other off She's like,
Speaker 3: he scared me. And he looks. He looks and goes,
Speaker 3: what the hell that come? The good guy? And he
Speaker 3: walked him back in and we're all like, okay, you know,
Speaker 3: and he looks and goes, when did I How am
Speaker 3: I the nice guy for one? I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'm the bad guy for once? Yeah? You know. He
Speaker 3: always said you're always the nice guy. How they know?
Speaker 3: Am I the nice guy? I looked at him, I said,
Speaker 3: and I told him what I said, and he goes, okay,
Speaker 3: I got, I got. I guess I know how you're
Speaker 3: why you're the bad guy this time? Yeah? You know?
Speaker 3: And I guess that's the one thing most people don't
Speaker 3: understand is honesty. And you know, if you're if you're
Speaker 3: honest with me, I have given some huge breaks to people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, and I guess one of those
Speaker 3: that I still to this day, I will I always
Speaker 3: laugh at it. But I'll give you one story about
Speaker 3: honesty that I always find to be one of the
Speaker 3: best ones. So myself and another officer, and he was
Speaker 3: the guy that no matter if you get pulled over
Speaker 3: by him, you're getting a ticket. Okay, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 3: And he's sitting next to me, and then if the
Speaker 3: two of us are in a car together, somebody's probably
Speaker 3: going to jail. It just just almost always ended up
Speaker 3: that way. We'd get somebody with warrants or something. You know,
Speaker 3: we'd get, you know, somebody do something stupid, and you know,
Speaker 3: somebody's going to jail then. And so we're in a
Speaker 3: car together and he looks and goes and he's in
Speaker 3: the mood. You know, he's got the ticket book in
Speaker 3: hand and he's all he's like, it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: fun night. I'm looking at him like, dude, come on.
Speaker 3: And we're driving down this side street and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, this car blows this stop side literally turns
Speaker 3: the car sideways, and then this car's fishtailing coming at
Speaker 3: us in R lane and then fishtails back the other way.
Speaker 3: And then finally gets over on the side of the
Speaker 3: road and we're I mean, like, there's a city park
Speaker 3: like right here. It's twenty five mile hours on and
Speaker 3: this guy's probably doing forty and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: and he just blew the stops. So I whip on
Speaker 3: the lights and the guy just flips around and he stops.
Speaker 3: And I go walking up to the car and I
Speaker 3: look at this kid and he's maybe sixteen years old
Speaker 3: or just turn sixteen, actually just turned sixteen like three
Speaker 3: days and he's sitting there and he's shaking and he's crying.
Speaker 3: And I looked at him, like, so do you know
Speaker 3: why we stopped you? And it was like the scene
Speaker 3: from Liar Liar. This kid takes this huge breath and
Speaker 3: he goes, I was speeding. I turned the car sideways.
Speaker 3: I nearly hit you head on. I was doing this.
Speaker 3: I did this. I also blew this stops and I
Speaker 3: didn't have my seatbelt. And I looked at him like okay,
Speaker 3: and I looked over the car at the other off
Speaker 3: she like what hell is this?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And he's like he's standing in there looking at me
Speaker 3: like what just happened? And I turned the case, I said, so,
Speaker 3: can you tell me what's going on why. He's like,
Speaker 3: I literally just got my license three days ago. And
Speaker 3: we're like, okay, so driving like an idiot for what reason?
Speaker 3: He's like, literally, my girlfriend just broke up with me.
Speaker 3: She lives down here, and I came from her house
Speaker 3: and I was just upset and I didn't know what
Speaker 3: to do and blah blah blah. So we're sitting there
Speaker 3: and let him, let him talk and cry for a minute.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, dude, do me a favor. Just breathe,
Speaker 3: Just chill and breathe for a little bit. And he's
Speaker 3: he's doing that, and I said, okay, so are you
Speaker 3: okay now a little bit, you know? And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: do me a favor. So I showed him how to
Speaker 3: box breathe. And I'm teaching him how to breathe, and
Speaker 3: the sergeant's standing there looking at me, like you're teaching
Speaker 3: him how to breathe, like he's got a comment. So
Speaker 3: I'm like, I want you to be able to drive home,
Speaker 3: but I want you to drive home normally, not the
Speaker 3: way you were just driving. And he's like okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So he's breathing, and I get him calm. I said, Okay,
Speaker 3: you do this for a little bit. We'll be back
Speaker 3: to talk to you in a couple of minutes. And
Speaker 3: as I get back in the car, I go back
Speaker 3: and I see the sergeant sitting there with the ticket
Speaker 3: book in his hand, and he opens the little screen
Speaker 3: that goes to the back seat and he takes the
Speaker 3: ticket book and he throws it through the back window.
Speaker 3: And then he reaches down and grabs my ticket book
Speaker 3: and throws it through the back window. And then he
Speaker 3: closes the screen and goes, Now, if you can get
Speaker 3: through the screen to get into the back seat to
Speaker 3: get it, you can you can write him a ticket.
Speaker 3: And I looked him like, well, I hadn't planned on
Speaker 3: writing him a ticket now, I said, I've never had
Speaker 3: anybody so honest with me in my entire life. And
Speaker 3: he goes, well, me, neither. He goes. He goes and
Speaker 3: you know, we've all done stupid ship when we broke
Speaker 3: up with a girlfriend, and you know, at his age,
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah. I understand. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we've all done stupid things.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So we go on and I go up and I
Speaker 3: give the kid a verbal warning and I send him
Speaker 3: on his way. So about three years or about five
Speaker 3: years later, now the other officer had left our department.
Speaker 3: He's working for another department. And I'm heading to a
Speaker 3: training and while I'm getting ready to sign up, I'm
Speaker 3: looking and I see that he's heading to the same training.
Speaker 3: So I taught. I went Colin and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: you want to meet up and drive together. He's like, sure,
Speaker 3: I got the department car. Come on over, meet up
Speaker 3: with me, and we'll go down on our car. Okay.
Speaker 3: So we go down together and we're in Oakland County
Speaker 3: and we're sitting there. We're taking this class and I
Speaker 3: think it was on auto theftter something. It was just
Speaker 3: kind of a BS class type thing, and we're kind
Speaker 3: of sitting there and there's this kid. They're staring at us.
Speaker 3: He's just staring at the two of us. He's like,
Speaker 3: did we beat him up? Or what the hell? You know?
Speaker 3: Do you know that kid? I'm like, he said, he
Speaker 3: looks familiar, but I said, I can't put a name
Speaker 3: with it. So we're sitting there and then he comes
Speaker 3: up to us and goes, hey, what are you guys?
Speaker 3: Doing for lunch. I don't know. Come on, I'll drive
Speaker 3: you guys could come with me, okay, whatever. So you
Speaker 3: know he's from Oakland County. He's Oakland County deputy. So
Speaker 3: we went with them, went to eat, and we're sitting there.
Speaker 3: I think we I think we went to like Famous
Speaker 3: Daves or something like that. So you know, we're sitting
Speaker 3: there and all of a sudden, we're waiting for our
Speaker 3: checks and we're like I finally I waved down the
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, we got to get our checks so
Speaker 3: we can go. And she goes, they're already paid for. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean they're paid for, and she goes, he paid
Speaker 3: for the hell's that for? He goes, he goes, well,
Speaker 3: you guys don't remember I said no. He goes and
Speaker 3: he gives us his name, and I'm sitting there going, okay,
Speaker 3: I know I know that last name. I know I
Speaker 3: know you, and he goes, he goes, how's this. I
Speaker 3: blew a stout side and I was doing forty miles
Speaker 3: an hour to twenty five. I turned on the car
Speaker 3: sideways and I nearly hit you head on. Looked up like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, he's now you know, he's now a deputy
Speaker 3: for them, and he turned he goes, I remember what
Speaker 3: you guys did for me, and now I try and
Speaker 3: make sure I use the same treatment for other people.
Speaker 3: And he goes, he goes, and nobody believe my story
Speaker 3: that you know, Dwayne Gilly gave me didn't give me
Speaker 3: a ticket.
Speaker 2: Very very very very clear. I like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was That's one of those ones where
Speaker 3: you just look back and go that's something I can
Speaker 3: pass on.
Speaker 2: So well, clearly he left an impression on him, and
Speaker 2: he went on to be a deputy and I'm sure
Speaker 2: he's probably distinguished himself since then.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah he has. Actually we just actually Gilly contacted me.
Speaker 3: He's like, he goes. You won't believe it. I said,
Speaker 3: what he goes? He goes, I just seen the kid, said,
Speaker 3: Oh what's he doing? He goes, Well, he was just
Speaker 3: at my up up here at at Lapure taking swat
Speaker 3: school training with me. I'm like, okay, he goes, he
Speaker 3: passed sniper school a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm sweet. Yeah, and you know, and
Speaker 3: here he is, you know, he's he's taking and he
Speaker 3: told Gilly, he goes, I remember that you were a
Speaker 3: sniper and he goes, and I remember, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: everybody was always worried about the sniper and all this
Speaker 3: because you were a sniper and you were on the
Speaker 3: swat team. And he goes, he goes, I wanted to
Speaker 3: be like you. He goes, and then he goes, I know,
Speaker 3: Jail calls a firearm instructor, so I went and became
Speaker 3: a firearms instructor. And he goes, you know, and Keilly
Speaker 3: turns around and goes seriously, and he goes, yeah, he goes,
Speaker 3: he turned around. He goes, Honestly, he goes. There's times
Speaker 3: where I look back and go, you know, just meeting
Speaker 3: those two guys and talking with him and realizing your
Speaker 3: humans and your nice people and this and that. He goes,
Speaker 3: Ben the best thing I've ever done. And I look
Speaker 3: back and like, wep. I finally I turned to Gilly
Speaker 3: the last time, and I'm like, so apparently we did
Speaker 3: one thing.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, not bad for twenty six years, eh, right, Matt,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. It's been an amazing, amazing conversation.
Speaker 2: And I've learned so much, so much, so many questions
Speaker 2: that I've got, especially about the food.
Speaker 3: Oh, I understand that do you have any questions of me? No, Actually,
Speaker 3: you know, Jen kind of explained everything, and I think
Speaker 3: it's I think it's awesome idea of what you're trying
Speaker 3: to do. And you know, we both said the same thing,
Speaker 3: We're honored that you've asked us to be a part
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Well we've we've met through the Grief Network, and you know,
Speaker 2: quite frankly, I'm more than happy to make friends with
Speaker 2: anybody who's had a loss, but who can articulate, as
Speaker 2: you said earlier, that empathetic side of of not knowing
Speaker 2: what it's like for other people, but sure knowing what
Speaker 2: it's like for you. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and that's the thing I mean, I still
Speaker 3: think that, you know, I know, like with my group
Speaker 3: that I'm a part of with Helping Fathers Heal, that
Speaker 3: program and that book that we did. You know, I've
Speaker 3: had people contact me from the book, you know, and
Speaker 3: from when we were at the conference. I've had three
Speaker 3: or four people contact me they're like, hey, do you remember,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I remember talking with you at
Speaker 3: the conference, and I remember, you know, going over certain
Speaker 3: parts of the book with you and that type of thing.
Speaker 3: And you know, I had one guy contact me and
Speaker 3: he said, he goes, he goes, we can't do a
Speaker 3: garden at you know, at the level that you guys did.
Speaker 3: And I said, nobody expects anybody to do anything. You know,
Speaker 3: you you do what you want to do to honor
Speaker 3: your person. Yes, And he he churned and he said,
Speaker 3: he goes, Well, he goes, I he goes, I did.
Speaker 3: He fixed a small garden that was around a mother
Speaker 3: Mary at the local church that he and he goes.
Speaker 3: It's not even a church I go to. He goes.
Speaker 3: He goes, not Catholic because it's for the Catholic church.
Speaker 3: He goes, but he goes, I drove past the one
Speaker 3: day and he goes, you know, he goes, you know,
Speaker 3: my daughter's name was Mary.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And he goes, I seen this and then he goes
Speaker 3: it was he was it was upsetting to look at.
Speaker 3: So he went through and he cleared out the area
Speaker 3: around it, helped planet and help recreate this little sitting
Speaker 3: area around the mother Mary. And he tround. He goes,
Speaker 3: he goes that, he goes, he goes, it sounds weird.
Speaker 3: He goes. But the whole time I could hear my
Speaker 3: daughter And I told him like, yeah, I said, And
Speaker 3: I said, he goes, and I still find myself going
Speaker 3: there once in a while. And I told him, I said,
Speaker 3: that's why I go to our garden literally, I said.
Speaker 3: Almost every day I work, I try and take it
Speaker 3: a little bit of my time my day and I'll
Speaker 3: walk out to the garden. I said, whether it's middle
Speaker 3: of winter or summer or whatever, I try and walk
Speaker 3: out to the garden. I said, because I hear my
Speaker 3: girls there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I said, but I also hear them everywhere else now.
Speaker 3: And he turned on he's like, you know, and he
Speaker 3: told me he was you know, he's like, he goes.
Speaker 3: I never thought i'd do something like what I did
Speaker 3: for that, for that little that little area he goes.
Speaker 3: He goes, it's ten foot by ten foot. I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's huge, yeah, you know. And I looked at me.
Speaker 3: I said, I said, so it's ten foot by ten foot,
Speaker 3: that's a hundred feet so and he kind of looked
Speaker 3: at me. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: So well, Matt, you know what, as much as I'd
Speaker 2: like to just keep going on forever, and we got
Speaker 2: to wrap the folks at home, and you know, you've
Speaker 2: been very generous with all your sharing and insights and everything,
Speaker 2: and ladies and gentlemen, Matt's a little bit different breed
Speaker 2: a cat, and I think you've given us given us
Speaker 2: some good things to think about. With that said, I
Speaker 2: want to address one more thing to you folks at home.
Speaker 2: It's my normal request to you when we're about to
Speaker 2: sign off, and I'd like you to reach out to
Speaker 2: someone that you know, like or love in your life
Speaker 2: and let them know that your world works because they're around,
Speaker 2: and that if they ever need you, you're always just
Speaker 2: a phone call away. You can help them with a smile,
Speaker 2: or you can go be with them if they need it,
Speaker 2: but let them know that it means a lot that
Speaker 2: you're here. So having said that, Matt, I want to
Speaker 2: thank you again for being on. You did a great
Speaker 2: job with us. Thank you, thank you, And ladies and gentlemen,
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