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Speaker 2: Patrol Live follows law enforcement departments around the country as
Speaker 2: officers patrol their communities with more than fifty cameras, documenting
Speaker 2: their work live and in real time every Friday and
Speaker 2: Saturday night on the channel Reels on Patrol Live is
Speaker 2: now in its fourth season and as hosted by Dan Abrams.
Speaker 2: Is my pleasure to welcome Dan back on the show.
Speaker 2: Dan Abrams, how you doing this evening?
Speaker 3: Hello, Good to be back with you.
Speaker 2: How would you say a philosophical question, how would you
Speaker 2: say law enforcement has changed with the proliferation of cameras
Speaker 2: all over the place.
Speaker 4: I don't know that law enforcement has changed as much
Speaker 4: as you know.
Speaker 3: Accountability has changed.
Speaker 4: And when I say accountability, I don't just mean police officers.
Speaker 3: I also mean the citizens too, because people forget that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The good thing about the camera is when someone claims, oh,
Speaker 4: the officer did this to me or did that to me,
Speaker 4: the officer can say, oh, really, all right, well let's
Speaker 4: look at the bodycam footage of what we had, so
Speaker 4: I think that can be very valuable in terms of
Speaker 4: law enforced. I think that's the biggest change that we've
Speaker 4: seen is the explosion of body cams, which I think
Speaker 4: you know, initially there were some police departments that were reluctant.
Speaker 4: I think these days everyone's kind of accepting of it.
Speaker 4: People just accept that it's a regular part of doing
Speaker 4: police work and that it can actually help the cops
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: What about this larger issue of supposed privacy and I
Speaker 2: mentioned that against the backdrop of you being an attorney,
Speaker 2: would you say the law, the Fourth Amendment, privacy laws
Speaker 2: in general have been able to keep up with this
Speaker 2: idea of cameras everywhere. I know we don't have a
Speaker 2: reasonable expectation of privacy, but still there's a question this there.
Speaker 4: Not Well, yeah, and you raise a really good point,
Speaker 4: and I think you phrased it well, which is about
Speaker 4: the reasonable expect in privacy. We're shooting on public streets, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's where our cameras are. These are public streets,
Speaker 4: and as a result, there is no quote unquote expectation
Speaker 4: of privacy on a public street. Now, if we're going
Speaker 4: into a home, we have to ask permission. Even if
Speaker 4: the cops are going into the home, we can't follow
Speaker 4: them in unless we get permission from the homeowner. So
Speaker 4: that's where the line is drawn from a legal perspective
Speaker 4: with regard to what we can shoot and how we
Speaker 4: can shoot it.
Speaker 2: I know tonight we'll be in Arkansas, or the show
Speaker 2: will be in Arkansas at nine PM, but what else
Speaker 2: should we expect for season four? More broadly on on
Speaker 2: Patrol Live.
Speaker 4: So one of the biggest changes for the show is
Speaker 4: that we just are joining the Las Vegas Police Department,
Speaker 4: and it's one of the biggest police departments in the country,
Speaker 4: and we think that that's a really valuable thing in
Speaker 4: terms of adding diversity and the types of departments. We
Speaker 4: we're in sheriff's departments, we're in small departments like in Arkansas.
Speaker 4: We're in Hayes in Arkansas, a tiny little department. But
Speaker 4: we want to be in small and big. We want
Speaker 4: to be in local police and sheriff's departments. We want
Speaker 4: to be able to show people different kinds of police work,
Speaker 4: and so being in Vegas we think is very valuable
Speaker 4: with regard to that. And Season four is the first
Speaker 4: time that we had been in a department as big
Speaker 4: as Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: What are some of the inherent difficulties or problems or
Speaker 2: obstacles for any live TV show, never mind a law
Speaker 2: enforcement focused TV show, coordinating live media around the country simultaneously.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a complicated operation that we're running. Right
Speaker 4: when you think about the fact there're in eight or
Speaker 4: nine live departments at once, we're following usually two officers
Speaker 4: per department. We've got multiple cameras per officer. Right right there,
Speaker 4: you've got a massive production operation.
Speaker 3: But as you point.
Speaker 4: Out, when you're dealing with law enforcement, there's going to
Speaker 4: be some sensitivities as well. I mean there's going to
Speaker 4: be anything from a child to an undercover cop, to
Speaker 4: personal information that's revealed, etc. So we don't show that stuff.
Speaker 4: And the reason that's the reason we have a small delay.
Speaker 3: In the show.
Speaker 4: We can't do true live because you know, someone pulls
Speaker 4: someone over and they say, you know, who are you,
Speaker 4: what's your name, what's your address, and they're.
Speaker 3: Trying to link it up.
Speaker 4: You know, we're not going to show that when the
Speaker 4: person starts citing their social Security number.
Speaker 3: Right, We're also not going to show.
Speaker 4: If there's a child in a shot, we're not going
Speaker 4: to show that. If there's an undercover cop, we're not
Speaker 4: going to show that. So the delay allows us to
Speaker 4: take a minute to just ensure that what we're showing
Speaker 4: is going to be acceptable. We have a lawyer who
Speaker 4: is in the studio for every oh to help us
Speaker 4: make those determinations.
Speaker 2: I wonder, actually I don't wonder. We all know how
Speaker 2: dangerous law enforcement is. We all know how unpredictable it
Speaker 2: can be. Oftentimes you may be our law enforcement may
Speaker 2: be engaging someone on their worst day and worse circumstances.
Speaker 2: Are you ever concerned about the truly unforeseen, the unpredictable,
Speaker 2: possibly dangerous scenarios for not only law enforcement, but for
Speaker 2: the camera team.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and two answers to that question. There are protocols
Speaker 4: in place with regard to our camera crews, who do
Speaker 4: an amazing job. This is not an easy gig for
Speaker 4: those camera crews, and you know we have protocols that
Speaker 4: are taken very seriously.
Speaker 3: But again, there's a.
Speaker 4: Reason we have a delay, right, And so I mean,
Speaker 4: I'll give you another example where let's say someone's shot
Speaker 4: and killed, right, and police officers are arriving at a
Speaker 4: scene and the family may not know that that person
Speaker 4: is dead. We don't want to be the first ones
Speaker 4: to inform that family that someone's.
Speaker 3: Been shot and killed.
Speaker 4: So as a result, we may pull our cameras back
Speaker 4: so you can't identify what the home is. We may
Speaker 4: see the officer go into the scene, and then we
Speaker 4: may make a decision that all right, let's get an
Speaker 4: update from the officer off the scene, because you know,
Speaker 4: this is a particularly sensitive situation where someone was just
Speaker 4: shot and killed and we don't know who knows or
Speaker 4: doesn't know, and so, you know, constantly there are those
Speaker 4: issues that we take incredibly seriously for every single show.
Speaker 2: My time is growing short with you, Dan Abrams. But
Speaker 2: I wonder, is there a singular instance where you think
Speaker 2: of Well, in all my years of doing this show
Speaker 2: or being in media, I've never seen something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean there have been instances where there have been
Speaker 4: you know, pursuits followed by a car you know, rolling over,
Speaker 4: followed by a suspect takeing out as two year old
Speaker 4: and using it as a shield to try to prevent
Speaker 4: the officer from taking him into custody.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. So you know, there's been a.
Speaker 4: Number of incidents like that where I've said, I can't
Speaker 4: believe this is actually happening, but you know it did.
Speaker 4: And that is what police officers see. And I'm not
Speaker 4: going to say see every day, right, because every day
Speaker 4: stuff is what we show in a regular bait the
Speaker 4: traffic stops that it's rare to see something like that,
Speaker 4: or like a guy who's fighting with a police officer
Speaker 4: trying to get his gun. It's scary as it's scary
Speaker 4: as all heck. And so we've seen a number of
Speaker 4: those incidents throughout the years.
Speaker 2: Are you more encouraged or discouraged with the totality of
Speaker 2: what you see regarding law enforcement and also crime in America?
Speaker 3: Before I let you go, I'm.
Speaker 4: Definitely more encouraged with regard to law enforcement. I think
Speaker 4: that when you see what law enforcement does on a
Speaker 4: daily basis, it provides context that is critical with regarding
Speaker 4: crime in this country. It's a little hard to say
Speaker 4: from the show itself, right, I'd have to step out
Speaker 4: and become legal analysts and start talking about, you know,
Speaker 4: national figures in city by city, et cetera. Just from
Speaker 4: the show's perspective. You know, we are following police departments
Speaker 4: who are responding to crimes, right, so you know, it's
Speaker 4: not always ends up being a crime, right. You know,
Speaker 4: last weekend we had an enormous fight between two brothers
Speaker 4: where the one guy came out totally bloodied.
Speaker 3: Right. We weren't sure are they going to charge him?
Speaker 3: Neither of the brothers wanted to pursue.
Speaker 4: Charges, but in the end there was an eyewitness who
Speaker 4: saw it across the street and said, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: here's what happened, So they did file charges. My point
Speaker 4: being that some of the time they get a call
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily become a crime, but it's a little hard
Speaker 4: to extrapolate from that sort of crime. In America, I
Speaker 4: can tell you I'm shocked how many people drive without
Speaker 4: a license. I didn't realize how many people are out
Speaker 4: there on the road without a valid license.
Speaker 2: On Patrol Live is now in its fourth season and
Speaker 2: is hosted by Dan Abrams. Dan, it's always good to
Speaker 2: talk to you. Thank you for coming back on the
Speaker 2: show tonight and congratulations on a new season.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I always appreciate coming on.
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