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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>AM six forty. It's Later with mo Kelly. We are

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<v Speaker 2>Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. The hit series on

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<v Speaker 2>Patrol Live follows law enforcement departments around the country as

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<v Speaker 2>officers patrol their communities with more than fifty cameras, documenting

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<v Speaker 2>their work live and in real time every Friday and

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday night on the channel Reels on Patrol Live is

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<v Speaker 2>now in its fourth season and as hosted by Dan Abrams.

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<v Speaker 2>Is my pleasure to welcome Dan back on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Abrams, how you doing this evening?

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, Good to be back with you.

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<v Speaker 2>How would you say a philosophical question, how would you

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<v Speaker 2>say law enforcement has changed with the proliferation of cameras

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know that law enforcement has changed as much

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<v Speaker 4>as you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Accountability has changed.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I say accountability, I don't just mean police officers.

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<v Speaker 3>I also mean the citizens too, because people forget that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>The good thing about the camera is when someone claims, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>the officer did this to me or did that to me,

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<v Speaker 4>the officer can say, oh, really, all right, well let's

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<v Speaker 4>look at the bodycam footage of what we had, so

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<v Speaker 4>I think that can be very valuable in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>law enforced. I think that's the biggest change that we've

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<v Speaker 4>seen is the explosion of body cams, which I think

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<v Speaker 4>you know, initially there were some police departments that were reluctant.

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<v Speaker 4>I think these days everyone's kind of accepting of it.

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<v Speaker 4>People just accept that it's a regular part of doing

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<v Speaker 4>police work and that it can actually help the cops

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<v Speaker 4>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>What about this larger issue of supposed privacy and I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned that against the backdrop of you being an attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>would you say the law, the Fourth Amendment, privacy laws

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<v Speaker 2>in general have been able to keep up with this

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<v Speaker 2>idea of cameras everywhere. I know we don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable expectation of privacy, but still there's a question this there.

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<v Speaker 4>Not Well, yeah, and you raise a really good point,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think you phrased it well, which is about

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<v Speaker 4>the reasonable expect in privacy. We're shooting on public streets, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's where our cameras are. These are public streets,

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<v Speaker 4>and as a result, there is no quote unquote expectation

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<v Speaker 4>of privacy on a public street. Now, if we're going

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<v Speaker 4>into a home, we have to ask permission. Even if

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<v Speaker 4>the cops are going into the home, we can't follow

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<v Speaker 4>them in unless we get permission from the homeowner. So

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<v Speaker 4>that's where the line is drawn from a legal perspective

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<v Speaker 4>with regard to what we can shoot and how we

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<v Speaker 4>can shoot it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know tonight we'll be in Arkansas, or the show

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<v Speaker 2>will be in Arkansas at nine PM, but what else

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<v Speaker 2>should we expect for season four? More broadly on on

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<v Speaker 2>Patrol Live.

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<v Speaker 4>So one of the biggest changes for the show is

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<v Speaker 4>that we just are joining the Las Vegas Police Department,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's one of the biggest police departments in the country,

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<v Speaker 4>and we think that that's a really valuable thing in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of adding diversity and the types of departments. We

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<v Speaker 4>we're in sheriff's departments, we're in small departments like in Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 4>We're in Hayes in Arkansas, a tiny little department. But

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<v Speaker 4>we want to be in small and big. We want

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<v Speaker 4>to be in local police and sheriff's departments. We want

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to show people different kinds of police work,

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<v Speaker 4>and so being in Vegas we think is very valuable

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<v Speaker 4>with regard to that. And Season four is the first

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<v Speaker 4>time that we had been in a department as big

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<v Speaker 4>as Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>What are some of the inherent difficulties or problems or

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<v Speaker 2>obstacles for any live TV show, never mind a law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement focused TV show, coordinating live media around the country simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it's a complicated operation that we're running. Right

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<v Speaker 4>when you think about the fact there're in eight or

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<v Speaker 4>nine live departments at once, we're following usually two officers

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<v Speaker 4>per department. We've got multiple cameras per officer. Right right there,

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<v Speaker 4>you've got a massive production operation.

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<v Speaker 3>But as you point.

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<v Speaker 4>Out, when you're dealing with law enforcement, there's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be some sensitivities as well. I mean there's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be anything from a child to an undercover cop, to

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<v Speaker 4>personal information that's revealed, etc. So we don't show that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>And the reason that's the reason we have a small delay.

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<v Speaker 3>In the show.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't do true live because you know, someone pulls

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<v Speaker 4>someone over and they say, you know, who are you,

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<v Speaker 3>Trying to link it up.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we're not going to show that when the

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<v Speaker 4>person starts citing their social Security number.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, We're also not going to show.

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<v Speaker 4>If there's a child in a shot, we're not going

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<v Speaker 4>to show that. If there's an undercover cop, we're not

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<v Speaker 4>going to show that. So the delay allows us to

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<v Speaker 4>take a minute to just ensure that what we're showing

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be acceptable. We have a lawyer who

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<v Speaker 4>is in the studio for every oh to help us

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<v Speaker 4>make those determinations.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder, actually I don't wonder. We all know how

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous law enforcement is. We all know how unpredictable it

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<v Speaker 2>can be. Oftentimes you may be our law enforcement may

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<v Speaker 2>be engaging someone on their worst day and worse circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ever concerned about the truly unforeseen, the unpredictable,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly dangerous scenarios for not only law enforcement, but for

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<v Speaker 2>the camera team.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, and two answers to that question. There are protocols

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<v Speaker 4>in place with regard to our camera crews, who do

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<v Speaker 4>an amazing job. This is not an easy gig for

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<v Speaker 4>those camera crews, and you know we have protocols that

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<v Speaker 4>are taken very seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, there's a.

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<v Speaker 4>Reason we have a delay, right, And so I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll give you another example where let's say someone's shot

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<v Speaker 4>and killed, right, and police officers are arriving at a

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<v Speaker 4>scene and the family may not know that that person

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<v Speaker 4>is dead. We don't want to be the first ones

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<v Speaker 4>to inform that family that someone's.

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<v Speaker 3>Been shot and killed.

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<v Speaker 4>So as a result, we may pull our cameras back

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<v Speaker 4>so you can't identify what the home is. We may

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<v Speaker 4>see the officer go into the scene, and then we

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<v Speaker 4>may make a decision that all right, let's get an

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<v Speaker 4>update from the officer off the scene, because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a particularly sensitive situation where someone was just

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<v Speaker 4>shot and killed and we don't know who knows or

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't know, and so, you know, constantly there are those

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<v Speaker 4>issues that we take incredibly seriously for every single show.

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<v Speaker 2>My time is growing short with you, Dan Abrams. But

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder, is there a singular instance where you think

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<v Speaker 2>of Well, in all my years of doing this show

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<v Speaker 2>or being in media, I've never seen something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean there have been instances where there have been

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<v Speaker 4>you know, pursuits followed by a car you know, rolling over,

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<v Speaker 4>followed by a suspect takeing out as two year old

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<v Speaker 4>and using it as a shield to try to prevent

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<v Speaker 4>the officer from taking him into custody.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't believe it. So you know, there's been a.

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<v Speaker 4>Number of incidents like that where I've said, I can't

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<v Speaker 4>believe this is actually happening, but you know it did.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is what police officers see. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>going to say see every day, right, because every day

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<v Speaker 4>stuff is what we show in a regular bait the

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<v Speaker 4>traffic stops that it's rare to see something like that,

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<v Speaker 4>or like a guy who's fighting with a police officer

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get his gun. It's scary as it's scary

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<v Speaker 4>as all heck. And so we've seen a number of

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<v Speaker 4>those incidents throughout the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you more encouraged or discouraged with the totality of

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<v Speaker 2>what you see regarding law enforcement and also crime in America?

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<v Speaker 3>Before I let you go, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely more encouraged with regard to law enforcement. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that when you see what law enforcement does on a

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<v Speaker 4>daily basis, it provides context that is critical with regarding

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<v Speaker 4>crime in this country. It's a little hard to say

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<v Speaker 4>from the show itself, right, I'd have to step out

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<v Speaker 4>and become legal analysts and start talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>national figures in city by city, et cetera. Just from

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<v Speaker 4>the show's perspective. You know, we are following police departments

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<v Speaker 4>who are responding to crimes, right, so you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not always ends up being a crime, right. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>last weekend we had an enormous fight between two brothers

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<v Speaker 4>where the one guy came out totally bloodied.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. We weren't sure are they going to charge him?

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<v Speaker 3>Neither of the brothers wanted to pursue.

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<v Speaker 4>Charges, but in the end there was an eyewitness who

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<v Speaker 4>saw it across the street and said, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>here's what happened, So they did file charges. My point

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<v Speaker 4>being that some of the time they get a call

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't necessarily become a crime, but it's a little hard

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<v Speaker 4>to extrapolate from that sort of crime. In America, I

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<v Speaker 4>can tell you I'm shocked how many people drive without

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<v Speaker 4>a license. I didn't realize how many people are out

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<v Speaker 4>there on the road without a valid license.

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<v Speaker 2>On Patrol Live is now in its fourth season and

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<v Speaker 2>is hosted by Dan Abrams. Dan, it's always good to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you. Thank you for coming back on the

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<v Speaker 2>show tonight and congratulations on a new season.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I always appreciate coming on.

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