WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:01.399 Disclaimer. 2 00:00:01.560 --> 00:00:03.560 We'd like to know before the start of this interview 3 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.040 that the opinions about to be expressed by the guest 4 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:08.960 of tonight's Getting Salty Experience Podcast are that of the 5 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:12.279 guest and do not directly or necessarily reflect the views 6 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:29.199 of the host of the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. 7 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:33.479 You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. 8 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:50.159 Hello, Hello Hoose, Martiners and Paula slash Agnes and a way. 9 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.240 We got held that woman for a couple of weeks, ruffy, 10 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:54.520 you know what I mean. We have a couple of 11 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:56.200 a couple. 12 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:57.560 Clear out the lungs. 13 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:01.039 Welcome back to the Getting Salties in this podcast, it's 14 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:02.679 the only one that brings to you know what you 15 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:03.520 know where right? 16 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:04.200 Yeah? 17 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:09.640 If I ship to you, stand by stand by. 18 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:12.359 That guy had to typing era. 19 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:23.760 Yes, I love unt fingers. 20 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:26.359 That guyun had that work. 21 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:28.840 I don't know, Yeah, I could. I could figure something out. 22 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.519 Figure out. Welcome back. Anyway, we missed you guys. A 23 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:36.480 whole lot of stuff went on we had we had 24 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:40.120 down in the Jersey. Sure, I met a lot of 25 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:42.760 guys down there, had a great time, a lot of pictures, 26 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:44.640 had a lot of food, drink a lot of Martini's, 27 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:48.040 I mean stuff like that. How about you kill anything? 28 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:50.000 I was at the Where was that, guys? I was 29 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:54.959 at the Freak. Where was I? I was at the Freak. 30 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:57.519 We were hanging out the spoiled. 31 00:01:58.040 --> 00:01:59.599 I was gonna tell you, guys, we're having to get 32 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.680 in salty freak off if you wanna. 33 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:06.359 After your baby oil and uh lotion swinging a. 34 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:10.560 Miss he struck him out, the old freak. 35 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:12.639 Yeah, we'll leave it at that. 36 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:18.159 A lot of stuff going on. The Jets win tonight. 37 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:20.159 I was gonna wear my Aaron Rodgers Jersey tonight. 38 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:22.560 But are they playing tonight? Who they playing? 39 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:28.520 Right now? She's playing New England Patriots? This right? And 40 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.840 you know it started soon? You know it starts soon, 41 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:34.159 right mind? You once you want want that button? 42 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:34.479 Guns? 43 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:36.800 Nextpos it starts. 44 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:38.759 What is that? Which button do you want? 45 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:39.120 You know? 46 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:49.199 And nobody nobody, no, you go no, next month it starts. 47 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:51.280 It's a different sport that nobody really cares about. 48 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:55.560 How damn I totally forgot about it because nobody cares 49 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:57.080 about I wasn't on my radar. 50 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:59.599 I'm sorry, it was just it was one of those today, 51 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.080 the tied I told you, I took him a long 52 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:02.479 time to do. 53 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:04.520 Nobody cares about. 54 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:12.319 Sorry, sorry, I was thinking next month. Right, So anyway, 55 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.280 we have an educacational show on tonight. Bro, listen to 56 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.400 these two men, because the facts and the education is 57 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:23.159 just dripping out of them. That's how we got so smart, Captain. 58 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:24.479 Murphy, I'm smart, Miking. 59 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:28.039 We were like sponges. They would just throw the ship down. 60 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:30.159 Suck it up, bro, that's what happened. 61 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:32.479 Paul My and Berg. 62 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:37.840 Send me an email to sales are getting Salty apparel dot. 63 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:41.960 Com and we'll let's put it taken a back seat there, Bro, 64 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:43.599 knock him out. 65 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:49.560 Wow, take a back seat, Take it easy, take it easy. 66 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:50.759 All right. 67 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.879 Let's uh, let's couple of commercials quick, give you all y. 68 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:56.280 We listen to the new one. They don't have any words, 69 00:03:56.319 --> 00:05:30.639 but check it out. 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But captain, my captain, and my senior dude, 108 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:49.920 Roof do it. 109 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:53.279 You're already guns, yes, So let's go really coming to 110 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:54.879 the stage, Captain Dennis Murphy. 111 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:57.639 Oh, you. 112 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:09.319 Play something now, Hank before you your then it goes out. 113 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:12.040 Happy to be here, and helloa to all my friends 114 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:13.519 out there and leave ahead nation. 115 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:17.000 Captain, Captain, my captain, thank you for coming on again 116 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:20.279 and sharing all this knowledge that like you did with 117 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:21.959 us back in the day. We me and Louis were 118 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:23.360 just young pups, right. 119 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:27.519 Yeah, well it's you know they taught me. I I 120 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:29.199 just passed it on to you. That's all. 121 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:30.720 That's all it is. 122 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:32.440 That's what we're supposed to do. 123 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.000 And that's what you guys did too, So that's the 124 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:35.639 way it goes. 125 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.519 Yeah, all right, so let's dive right in tonight. We're 126 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:42.559 going to talk about but oh, we gotta get the 127 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:45.919 patriotic my bed, not of the groove. 128 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:48.840 Your bust of my bulls. Get that button ready? All right, 129 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:49.200 here we go. 130 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.320 I pleasure allegiance to the flag of the United States 131 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:00.879 of America and to the Republic, for which it stands, 132 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:08.679 one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice. 133 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:09.200 For all. 134 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:26.480 Wonderflock. So now we're going to talk about god, apartments, townhouses, 135 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:28.759 what else that, Yeah, and. 136 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.279 All of those that we're gonna lump everything into one. 137 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.159 I mean, they are different, slightly different, but most of 138 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.919 the fire fighting problems are the same. So you know, 139 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.080 we'll just get into it. And uh and like I said, 140 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.120 everybody chip in. You know, as far as h if 141 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:46.440 you had a job here, you had a job there. 142 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:48.919 It's supposed to be a kitchen drill. So that's what 143 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:50.799 we should be doing. I had this happen, I had 144 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:55.240 that happen. And we'll kind of let those experiences, you know, 145 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:57.120 feed off each other and as. 146 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:00.840 We go, all right, well, we'll bring this up here. 147 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:05.679 So we can next airbrushing. 148 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.240 Okay, so we were we had originally we're gonna do 149 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:19.240 a random thoughts, which this kind of led led to. 150 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.360 But this turned up being it was such a big 151 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.600 topic that we just we're gonna stay just on pretty 152 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:26.639 much guarding upon its because when I started to look 153 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:29.519 at what I had and at different places, I had 154 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.399 a lot of materials, so it's just in there, and 155 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.320 there was a lot of photographs that I had accumulated 156 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:37.279 on this with the intention of putting into other programs. 157 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:39.559 But again, like I said, the last time, you know, 158 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:44.000 we talked about you guys and passing it on and 159 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.200 you passing it on to the guys and the companies 160 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.519 that you worked into eighty eight especially, I passed it 161 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:52.840 on to you. Hank passed it on to you. But 162 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:54.919 these are some of the These are some of the 163 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:57.759 guys that we learned from. And Tom Brennan was one 164 00:10:57.799 --> 00:10:59.840 of my mentors. And that's why we call this random 165 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.360 What's because I always loved what he did in the 166 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.480 back of the magazine. You know, a lot of people 167 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:07.919 read that magazine back to front because they went to 168 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:09.799 see what he had to say. I have his book 169 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:14.039 here and it's all different topics and most of those, uh, 170 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:19.080 those observations and tips that he passed along are still 171 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.639 still applicable today. You know, you think about a lot 172 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:24.759 of stuff changes, but a lot of stuff doesn't. 173 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:25.039 You know. 174 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:27.159 We still got to go in and put it out. 175 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:27.519 You know. 176 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:32.960 That's me all the way on the left, Yeah, Joe McDermott, 177 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:36.159 Willie Green, and that's Captain Brennan. Willie's kind of obstructed 178 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:38.840 by Captain Brennan. But that's what he used to do. 179 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.639 After every fire. He would line us up like that 180 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.120 informally and just ask us, where'd you go, what did 181 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:46.159 you how'd you get there? 182 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.639 What did you do when you got there? So I, 183 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:49.039 like I. 184 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.200 Said, you were under you were under a little bit 185 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:53.720 of pressure to perform, you know, like he wanted to 186 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:57.480 know how his company performed at a fire. You don't 187 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:59.440 see that too much anymore. 188 00:11:59.080 --> 00:11:59.240 You know. 189 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.320 You just you know, you go, everybody comes out now, 190 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.240 they take a picture. You know, it's like, yeah, we 191 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:06.639 did a great job. You know, it's like all right, 192 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:08.879 well where did you go and what did you do? 193 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.159 You know, and how'd you get there? You know, and 194 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:12.799 it was all it was all, you know, a lot 195 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:16.080 of hard charging young guys that just that wanted to 196 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:16.919 learn their trade. 197 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.639 You know, I think Eddie Kilduff meted it on your show. 198 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:21.399 You know it was it was. 199 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:23.440 It was a real good place and a real good 200 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.200 incubator of good firefighters. 201 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.440 Every company in that area was like that. It was 202 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:28.000 really good. 203 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:29.799 Is he still around? Uh? 204 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:31.240 EDT. 205 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.960 Brennan, Captain Brennan passed away about ten to fifteen years ago. 206 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:35.480 Wow. 207 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.080 The last time I saw him was at FDIC and 208 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:40.679 then he lived in Florida. 209 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:41.360 He used to go. 210 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.120 He used to be like the one of the keynotes 211 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:46.519 in fdi C. Just about every year. He did a 212 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.879 whole thing with the Chief Brunussini from Phoenix that was 213 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.679 very well received all time. But he was a lifelong 214 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:56.639 instructor and uh and he was just a great uh, 215 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:01.120 a great teacher of young fine you know. So that 216 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.600 that was one of my influences. And the next slide 217 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:05.200 you'll see is one of the other ones that I 218 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:07.639 just wanted to add here, which is John Vigiana, who 219 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:09.799 we've talked about many times on here. But he was 220 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.720 another guy. He was a great mentor for young firefighters. 221 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:15.600 You know, he was a guy who's from one thirty 222 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:19.200 two where Hank Hank started. Uh, he was a longtime officer, 223 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:23.080 a lieutenant and Rescue two and then he was the 224 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.759 captain of Won seventy six, in which I worked in 225 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:29.440 both of those companies, in one seventy six and Rescue too. 226 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.679 So he made a big, big impression on me. 227 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:35.000 Also, you know, did he walk side of do you 228 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.559 guys remember, Yeah, I'm. 229 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.440 Just looking at he's got four as two bees. 230 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:44.080 Think about it, like you look at so many guys 231 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.120 from that era, guys like and you're not all older guys, 232 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.440 like guys like Paddy Brown, you know, it's just Jack Pritchett, 233 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.720 you know. They these guys just saw such a tremendous 234 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.720 amount of fire duty. It was they they were exposed 235 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.240 to it, you know, and they uh and they were 236 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:00.080 very good at what they did. And that was the 237 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:01.919 thing with vis you know, you look, you look at him, 238 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.559 and you go in a job full of high quality 239 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:10.120 fire offices, he stood out just that fact alone, and 240 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:14.200 in a job full of high quality people, he was exceptional. 241 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:14.600 You know. 242 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:16.600 So I don't want to stay on there. I just 243 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.639 wanted to mention them and move on. But great teacher 244 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:20.519 of firefighters, go. 245 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.120 Ahead, and I mentioned since it's still not you know, 246 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.919 nine to eleven week. Unfortunately, he lost both his sons 247 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:31.480 on nine to eleven U the one that was in 248 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:33.879 one thirty two and the other was the emergency services. 249 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:36.279 Yeah, John and Joe. 250 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:41.039 Okay, So getting getting into what we're going to talk 251 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:45.039 about tonight, We're gonna talk about garden apartments, townhouses, some 252 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.600 other buildings that are similar. We're gonna throw them all 253 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.679 in one basket and just go through the problems that 254 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:52.960 that they that they. 255 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:58.519 Present for us. But again, buildings like that are nothing new. 256 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.120 Urban departments are for row frame fires for I don't know, 257 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.720 one hundred and fifty years now. Uh, but these are 258 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.519 the modern equivalent of row frames, and and they're nothing new. 259 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.960 They go back to the fifties, you know, the these 260 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.440 modern type, but a lot of things have changed. They 261 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:19.039 got a lot of similarities, but there's a lot of 262 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:23.440 differences too, and there's a lot of differences in in 263 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:27.240 the uh, the construction of these buildings over time. You know, 264 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:30.320 lightweight construction is one of them. A lot of voids, 265 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.840 some of the voids similar to the row frames, and uh, 266 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.279 you know, the construction end of it, not only how 267 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.440 it's built and how it's designed, but how it's installed 268 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.960 and the workmanship. You know, Uh, they modern buildings do 269 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:45.320 not have common cocklofts. 270 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.120 I was just gonna say that they had to have 271 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.080 changed that at least forgot right right. 272 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:52.000 But the thing is how well are how well is 273 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.200 the fire protection in the current cocklofts, and it varies widely. 274 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.360 I'll show you. I've got a slide that I saw 275 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:01.440 personally of a building. It's never had a fire in it, 276 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.519 but but it's going to be like a fifth a law. 277 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:06.799 You know, it's in two eighty eight areas. 278 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.759 You can do it as shody shoddy workmanship. 279 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:10.279 Yeah, exactly exactly. 280 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:12.120 We were pretty lucky they have There are a lot 281 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.080 of buildings going up. When we got this, we're able 282 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:15.480 to go in as they were putting them up and 283 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:16.919 see what kind of construction they were. 284 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.279 Yeah, I mean they still are. You could consider them 285 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:24.240 common cock lofts because they may not run a whole block, 286 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:28.799 but they're definitely not separated into single you know, into 287 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:33.679 single units. Oh, you might have three or four units 288 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.159 that are incorporated in whatever the square footage of that 289 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:40.159 you know, that county therein I think like NASA I 290 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:44.440 think is seventy five hundred square feet and that has 291 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:47.240 to be fire stops, so that that could include you know, 292 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.080 three separate townhouses. 293 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.039 Yeah, that and that varies. You know, that's a that's 294 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.600 a big thing that varies areas in the country. 295 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:58.360 Say that again. 296 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:00.000 In other words, that numb. 297 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.759 But you know that can vary from me in different areas. 298 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.079 What I'm saying is that we had you know, you 299 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:06.599 do have the common You still have the common cockla 300 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:09.519 you know. That's knowing your area, knowing what your building 301 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:14.039 codes are. And uh, okay, well we got fire in 302 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:16.680 this cock clatter. The attic of this one, you know, 303 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:21.119 is is the firewall right at the exposure four side, 304 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.079 two side or is this the middle buildings? So those 305 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.559 are all things you have to think about. Yeah, with 306 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:26.640 the fire spread. 307 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.000 Yep, and how how well it's installed, I mean, and 308 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.759 look at you know, you go back to the buildings. 309 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:34.000 One of the first jobs I had in to eighty 310 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.599 eight was way out east and it was in a 311 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.559 row of garden apartments. But they were all masonary, so 312 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:45.960 they didn't go anywhere. It basically stayed within the Yeah, 313 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:49.799 it went nowhere except for the original fire building. 314 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:51.640 But you look at it now and you look like 315 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:54.599 even like with performance based codes. You know, the the 316 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:58.640 cinder block firewall which we used to have for decades, right, 317 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:03.160 that's been replaced by gypsum board. And you know, how 318 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:04.599 how well installed is it? 319 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.400 The guy that comes in, you know, it wasn't that 320 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.519 easy to get through a cinder block wall, like to 321 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:11.680 run a cable line or something. I mean, it got done, 322 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:16.160 but but it wasn't. It was harder to compromise it. 323 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.960 You you see this, you know, doubled one inch gypsum 324 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.319 board and you see that and everything from high. 325 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:24.519 Rises for a while like that. 326 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:27.519 Yeah, yeah, exactly mine something. 327 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:29.680 Yeah, yeah, no doubt. 328 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:31.880 So go to the next light. 329 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:32.319 Gunson. 330 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:36.359 Okay, So this is this is a good example of 331 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:41.359 a modern a miner set of townhouses. You know, it's 332 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.279 it's it's a lot of uh, it's a lot to 333 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:48.960 ask from, especially for mid sized suburban fire departments. This 334 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.440 is another. Like a commercial building, this is another. This 335 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:54.559 is not a private dwelling, you know, this is uh, 336 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:56.839 this is gonna be a fire like this is gonna 337 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.200 be a minimum of four hand lines, and especially this 338 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:02.759 fire on the lower floors as well, because it's in 339 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:06.680 the original unit. It's probably spread and I'm assuming it 340 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:09.559 spreads on either side. So you have to have at 341 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:11.960 least two hand lines in the original unit, and then 342 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.000 you're gonna have to have one hand line minimum in 343 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:18.759 each exposure. So right there, that's four engine companies, you know, 344 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.359 at least four engine companies. 345 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:22.799 So that's a full first alarm. 346 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.200 Assignment, and you know, with relief and additional lines. 347 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.480 And the you know, more than in rural areas. Yeah, yeah, 348 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:31.599 maybe two guys on a rate. And where's the other 349 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:33.920 one coming from? So these guys got their handsful. 350 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.319 Of down here in South Florida. You know, three guys 351 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.119 to an engine company, right. 352 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.839 Right, come, let me ask you something. Uh, three guys 353 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.519 to an engine pull up? Do you is it common 354 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.359 practice in your area to team up engines or does 355 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:52.319 each engine the two guys other than the pump operator 356 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.079 stretch the first line, let's say an engine three quarter 357 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:55.680 line into. 358 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:58.279 This depends on response time, but for the most part, 359 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:00.000 we team up with our rescue, which is the ambulance 360 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:01.240 down here. So we have to end up with a 361 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:03.960 five person crew that can pair up and then they 362 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.119 can do a stretch, you know, second engine company, if 363 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.200 your water source, and you know, the checkbox of things 364 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.079 that need to be in place. But for the most part, 365 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:14.720 they'll pair up initially a rescue with them. 366 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:17.200 Yeah, that's what they do on Long Island. 367 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.519 They'll they'll pair up companies because a lot of a 368 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:22.519 lot of companies are coming in on the staff, especially 369 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:23.200 during the day. 370 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:29.599 Yeah, okay, sorry, So I was just saying this picture here, 371 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:32.279 looking at this, like I remember when they were building 372 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:35.160 a lot of the newer three family houses kind of 373 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:39.079 similar to these townhouse types like you're talking about. You 374 00:20:39.079 --> 00:20:43.759 would see that the the dividing wall come through the roof, right. 375 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:45.240 A lot of times you would see if there was 376 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.359 peaked or if it was like this this like uh, 377 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.279 you know, just a slanted roof here, like you would 378 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.759 see it come through. So just looking at this like, 379 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.799 that's got to be a common cock loft here, right, 380 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.200 I mean, this would have to do not necessarily. 381 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.240 It could be, but not necessarily. A lot of for 382 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:05.200 a while, there are a lot of like in my town, 383 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:08.880 I can tell you we have we have these buildings 384 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.640 that just like he described, it comes through the roof. 385 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:13.720 It's visible from the outside. 386 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:16.279 The chief has doesn't have to guess about the boundaries 387 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:18.720 of the fire, you know, or the fire containment as 388 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.960 long as it's intact, and that's a big if. But 389 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.400 then also we have ones that come right up to 390 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.200 the underside, and we have some pictures of those later, 391 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:31.960 and they don't penetrate the roof, so it's there, but 392 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:34.400 it's not that easy to see. 393 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:35.160 Uh. 394 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.920 And then you have buildings that have different levels and 395 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:43.000 that acts as like the firewall in other words. 396 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:42.960 Looks like multiple apartments here. 397 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:46.759 So I'm gonna say, actually, yeah, yeah, it could be, 398 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:49.599 it might not be, you know what you can. I'm 399 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:52.799 always a little hesitant to read too much into any 400 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:55.960 one picture, because you know, you you're just getting on 401 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.960 a snapshot. And but as we go along, we'll see better, 402 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.039 better images that that describe what we're talking about. 403 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.079 One of the things on this particular building that I see, 404 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:10.680 and I'm not I'm not familiar with it, is it 405 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:14.359 almost it's two story, like you would consider a garden apartment, 406 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:19.000 but there is no separate outside doors. This has an 407 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:23.680 interior interior hallway and obviously an interior stairway, so it's 408 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:26.799 almost I would treat it like a two story apartment. 409 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:27.160 Building. 410 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:29.720 It's actually it's it looks like if you look closely 411 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:31.839 at the picture, it looks like it's a three story 412 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:34.839 because it's probably down a couple of steps and. 413 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:38.880 Document, you know. 414 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:41.680 But anyway, but let's let's move to the next line. 415 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:44.440 We'll see. All right, this is a fire we had 416 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.680 in my town. Actually these are two and this building 417 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:50.839 on the left is uh. 418 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:52.759 I want anybody want to take a guess as to 419 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.079 what this is a repurposed building? Anybody guess as to 420 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:59.799 what the original occupancy school school? 421 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.279 Right, it was a school and it is an apartment. 422 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:05.480 But you go in, you go in a center hallway 423 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:08.000 and then all the apartments are off as another entrance 424 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.960 further down with the same kind of arrangement. Tremendous voids 425 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:13.920 in something like this. In other words, this was all 426 00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:16.640 boxed out. Let's say, in the original classroom had a 427 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:19.559 ten foot ceiling. These ceilings are eight feet you know, 428 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:23.279 over everyone, it's all boxed out. Big fire log. The 429 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:26.000 original school had a big fire log. The cock loft 430 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:29.319 in this thing is like six feet tall or wood 431 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:34.720 and open from right to left. Yeah, yeah, and you 432 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:36.759 know what I say that off to the races, you know, 433 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:39.839 you could have a full first alarm assignment sitting across 434 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.640 the street. And if the fire gets into that cock 435 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:44.519 loft and gets possession of that, you're not going to 436 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:46.599 be able to to get ahead of that. 437 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:52.000 It's gonna be very difficult, I think, man hard on that. 438 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:55.640 Yeah, it's a phony man sid right. The front of 439 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.200 the building is vertical. The brick veneer I believe is 440 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.359 also too from when it was converted. But uh, a 441 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.799 friend of mine was the go ahead. 442 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:08.240 So you have two issues there. If it gets in 443 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.599 the cock loft, that could be running or if it 444 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:14.599 auto exposes into the mansarde it could just be running 445 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:16.799 around the mansard from left to right. 446 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.480 Yeah, and that and that. That's exactly what happened here. 447 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.680 It got in there, but they knocked it down from 448 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:24.160 the outside pretty quickly, you know, before it took off. 449 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:28.359 But the masonry wall, that masonry wall that the ladder 450 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:31.000 is up against, uh, that goes vertically all the way 451 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.640 up and there's a there's a cornice up there. But 452 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:38.440 again you know it's it's a converted building, uh into 453 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:43.000 apartments that it wasn't its original function. Creates unique problems. 454 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.640 And then the other the other building is a set 455 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:49.000 of classic peak roof you know townhouses. You know one 456 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:53.319 unit two stories uh that that they had a job in, 457 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:54.759 uh about five or. 458 00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:55.519 Six years ago. 459 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:58.240 But again this is at night, so I just I'm 460 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.440 gonna point this out later. But look at the parking situation. 461 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:03.960 Very tight for the first three units here, you know, 462 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:06.200 so getting in and out, that's one of the big 463 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.720 big considerations is you're only going to be able to 464 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.960 get so much apparatus near the fire building. 465 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.119 You really have to be thinking about pre planning that 466 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:16.119 ahead of time. 467 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.759 I don't gonna have courtyards where the dead ended, so. 468 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.160 That I remember three h six had a bunch of those. 469 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.519 Three h five had a bunch of those. I think 470 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:27.039 three fifteen had a bunch of those. 471 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:28.960 Yeah, the courtyard stretches. 472 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:34.240 Yeah, okay, next light. All right, this is one that 473 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:34.640 you know. 474 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.880 Again it's not a classic two or three story gone 475 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:45.240 but the fire problem is exactly the same. This fire 476 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:50.359 was in Edgewater, New Jersey. There's an apartment complex, all 477 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:54.960 lightweight construction. Over five hundred people made homes on a 478 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.400 on a January night, I remember a bitter cold out. 479 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:01.079 This place is right off the HUDs And River and 480 00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:03.400 it's just it's. 481 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:05.839 Right across from like the upper west side. 482 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:13.440 Yeah, exactly, yeah, and so a luxury a luxury apartment building. Uh, 483 00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:17.480 but the construction features are the exact same construction features 484 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:20.039 that we're going to be talking about tonight. So the 485 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:24.200 story is the bitter cold night, wind driven, you know, 486 00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:27.640 very windy, which makes it worse. Somebody has a frozen 487 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:33.319 pipe in their in their apartment, all right, yeah, and. 488 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:35.839 What do they do? 489 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:38.799 They call the plumber, Right, the plumber comes. Where's the 490 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:41.640 frozen pipe. It's up in the trust space in the ceiling. 491 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:44.720 I think it was on the second floor. So plumber 492 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.079 goes up there and starts sweating the pipe to thaw 493 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.920 out the blockage, and he ignites the He gets a 494 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:54.640 small fire going up in the trust loft. He tries 495 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:58.440 putting it out. He's unsuccessful and putting it out, So 496 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:00.440 they leave and I think. 497 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:01.039 They called it in. 498 00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.799 But by the time the fire department arrived, it was, 499 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.880 like I said, off to the races. This entire complex 500 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.519 that you see in the upper picture there burnt down. 501 00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:13.839 I believe it was almost five hundred people homeless. This 502 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:18.039 isn't a luxury condominium, and I believe the Yankees announcer 503 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.720 John Sterling lived in this place. Yeah, there was a 504 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:23.480 big name that lived in the place that got a 505 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.799 little more pressed than a fire normally would. But that 506 00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:30.200 that is the kind of problem that you're looking at, 507 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.880 a fast moving fire, very resource heavy. You know, you're 508 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.359 coming in you you don't have enough units ever for 509 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.480 something like this, you know, so this is you know, 510 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.559 this in New York could probably be the equivalent of 511 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.559 a fourth or a fifth alarm, maybe even more today, 512 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.519 you know, but but you're you're really playing ketchup because 513 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.000 you know, you think about it, it's a beautiful building, 514 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:57.319 fully sprinkled. So so the odds of a fire, a 515 00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.960 serious fire, are very small statistic. 516 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:04.440 But what happens Murphy shows up right boom, you know. 517 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:05.759 Dennis Murphy. 518 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.279 Capt these these newest types like this, Like when I 519 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:16.920 think about that, even even by two eighty eight, as 520 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.000 the years went on, the newer construction, everybody who's using 521 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:23.359 those metal studs, right, is that what most of these 522 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:24.599 are done with nowadays? 523 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:25.359 Is it all metal? 524 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.079 I know, I don't think so, because there's quite a 525 00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.440 few that are a lot of the interior walls are 526 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.079 some of the entire building is. I just saw a 527 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.720 picture of one. It was the entire building was metal 528 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.759 Sea Joys. A little further in, I have some pictures 529 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:42.799 that we took of how those perform at fires. They're 530 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.640 in renovations and that new construction, but you'll see it 531 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.319 in a minute. They look like spaghetti after that. And 532 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.000 I'm talking about the larger Joys, not the interior. 533 00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:52.440 Yeah yeah, right, the big Sea Joys. 534 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:52.640 Right. 535 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:54.799 Yeah, So we'll get to that in a minute. But 536 00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.680 I just wanted to show it does happen. It has happened, 537 00:28:57.799 --> 00:28:58.880 It's gonna happen again. 538 00:28:59.400 --> 00:28:59.680 Uh. 539 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.119 And this type of construction is the same construction the 540 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:06.079 buildings that we're gonna be talking about tonight. So okay, 541 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.640 God thanks, yeah again we just talked about it before. 542 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.960 Not gonna not gonna belabor the point, but get out 543 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:16.359 know your district, you know, know the hydrant locations. Everything's 544 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.920 in the computer today. Make sure the computers accurate. 545 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:19.119 You know. 546 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.400 I used to take guys out driving and I would 547 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.359 just be I had the tablet in front of me, 548 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:24.920 you know, the MDT in front of me, and the 549 00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.559 hydrants are coming up as we're as we're going down 550 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:29.240 the street, and I would just look at it. That's 551 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.759 in the right spot. That's you would be amazed how 552 00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.559 many how many hydrants are in the wrong location, I 553 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.920 mean as far as the computer goes. So that's something 554 00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.359 you want to check when you can and don't depend 555 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.880 on somebody else to put it in when you get back, 556 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:44.440 you write it up and put it in and make 557 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.640 sure they put it in for the correct location, you know, 558 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.400 And then know your buildings, the buildings that are hazards, 559 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.279 like we're talking about tonight, Know your target has it's 560 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.400 not only just residential, but you know if you got 561 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:57.839 resident we had residential, and it was like in this building, 562 00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.599 this is residential and they have some special needs folks 563 00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.000 living there that that needs to be and you know, 564 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.480 if there's anybody with mobility issues, you know, and like 565 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.519 you guys said before, your access can you get in? 566 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.720 Can you get to the riar the rear in these places? 567 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.680 A lot of times it's just like that's something that's 568 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.640 in common with a row frame, getting a portable ladder 569 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.720 to the back, all right, or getting a ladder truck 570 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:22.720 if that's possible. 571 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.839 You know, some of these god apartments have like medical 572 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.720 facilities in them, right, Like let's find a dentist office 573 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:29.720 in their commercial line. 574 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.240 I haven't seen that too much. 575 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:36.400 The the the smaller buildings, No, I haven't seen that, 576 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:41.319 but they definitely do exist. The podium style buildings where 577 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.359 you see like two floors of concrete, uh, construction, and 578 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.119 then you name it above it. 579 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:48.039 I think we got one. 580 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.799 We got one couple of towns over that's I think 581 00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:57.400 ten stories. Uh so that's two, it's it's it's eight 582 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:03.839 over two, eight over two, eight lightweight trusts wood frame floors. Right, 583 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:08.720 so eight lightweight wood, lightweight trust floors over two concrete 584 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:12.359 podium or pedestal floors, depending on what do you what 585 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:14.319 you call them. I think most of the time they 586 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:15.880 call podium buildings today. 587 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:17.559 All right, So, so. 588 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.000 Again, all the hazards that we just saw on that 589 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:24.680 slide on Edgewater in those buildings above the concrete, and 590 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.920 and those buildings very often, like you were just saying, 591 00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:29.920 very often, those first two floors can be used for 592 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.480 a lot of different things. Sometimes they use for parking, 593 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.160 sometimes they use for retail and commercial restaurants and things 594 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.559 like that. But and I don't think they're that easy 595 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.160 to build either. Because I was just reading something about 596 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:46.640 the maintaining the integrity of that division, you know, from 597 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.759 let's say two to three where it becomes becomes wood. 598 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:51.200 They have to. 599 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.839 They're pretty stringent on the penetrations, right, because you can 600 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.640 see if it was a parking garage on the first 601 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.160 floor and then and then or on the second floor 602 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.240 and then uh, you know, there's a car fire and 603 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.680 extends into the wood trust portion in the building. It's 604 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:09.559 it's just like Edgewater. It's it's off to the races, right. 605 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.799 So I don't I don't even be able to hear 606 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:14.480 me because. 607 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.200 I gotta tell you, I got you, we got you. 608 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.920 Yeah. But I as far as me listening, I got 609 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.559 to apologize because every almost like every other word that 610 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.359 Dennis is saying or every third I'm missing it. So 611 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.680 it's like I'm afraid to jump in because I'm not here, 612 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:30.160 and half. 613 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.920 Of what he's saying, you sure it's the internet and 614 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.680 not the Yeah, I love the Internet. 615 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.720 It was serious about that exactly. 616 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.960 I'll try to get this in. We're talking about pre 617 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:51.720 plan the way I look at it, a classic garden apartment. 618 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.799 The difference between that saying the road frame the garden 619 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.359 apartment is not is not a front to rear flat. 620 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.000 You're exposed what would be. 621 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:07.960 Three or a B C is a mirror apartment. So 622 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.279 if you if if you have a you know, if 623 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.240 you're having a if you have. 624 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:16.680 A job in the second story, and what's behind you 625 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.160 in exposure three is actually a mirror adjoining apartment, and 626 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.079 the fire stopping goes from the two to the four side. 627 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:25.960 I've never seen it where they bring it up in 628 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.200 between the front and the rear, because, like I tell you, 629 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:33.039 they go by square footage, so that costs more money. 630 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:36.680 Builders and developers are I don't like spending money. So 631 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.279 you have to think about what's behind it on that 632 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.039 exposure three side, and normays, you know, exposure three rear 633 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.079 yard or it's a street. Exposure three here is going 634 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:50.559 to be in a typical garden apartment, that mirror apartment, 635 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.200 and there are plenty of voids for fire to get 636 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.839 in there. You got the pipe chases for the bathroom vents. 637 00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.160 You might have the kitchen vent that runs through and 638 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.759 that's common with the built behind it. So those are 639 00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.279 all things you can't forget about what's happening on the 640 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.559 other side. You know, you're thinking about two and four 641 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.599 exposed you're doing four, but you got to get back 642 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.000 there and see what's going on in exposure three. Also 643 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.079 because you know it might be rolling merrily in the 644 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:17.159 air and a void. 645 00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.920 So you need hey, did you say something, because we 646 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:21.519 couldn't hear you. 647 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:30.840 That's a good one anyway. 648 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:32.920 Anyway, look at the like Hank was saying. 649 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.360 Sometimes, uh, these buildings have more in common with like 650 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.599 what we in New York would call the old abilities 651 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:42.800 like tenements, you know, like with with apartments behind each other. 652 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.559 But I'll get get to this one here. This is 653 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.880 an interesting fire. This is my mother lived used to 654 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.119 live right across the street from this, and so this 655 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.360 is a whole big development of this exact type of construction. 656 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.960 These are all modular, you know, garden apartments. And if 657 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.239 you look at the picture on the right, you can 658 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.599 see if you look real closely, there's two doors that 659 00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.519 go up. Those two doors go to the apartments upstairs 660 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.599 on either side, so one of two over two. So 661 00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.480 there's an apartment on the right, apartment on the left 662 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:16.840 on the first floor, which is hard to see the doors, 663 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.960 but if you look look at the entrance and look 664 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.000 all the way to the left corner there at the 665 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.400 entrance way there to the left of the round yeah, right, 666 00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.360 so uh, and then there's another one on the other side. 667 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:30.079 So so. 668 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.760 And I'm obviously I'm familiar with the layout here and 669 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:36.159 it's my old apartment. This is Eastmeato, the Great Great 670 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:42.199 Fire Department. But interesting story here, modular. There is some 671 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.239 trust from what I've been told in this, although I 672 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:49.800 didn't see it myself. What happens is when, like what 673 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:53.480 just happened with my mom, the place, the place gets sold, right, 674 00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.760 So the next tenant wants to come in, and these 675 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:56.639 are elderly people. 676 00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:58.880 It's a Senior citizens complex. 677 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.880 They want to redo it because generally the place that's 678 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.480 being vacated is is dated. So they have a contract 679 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.440 to come in or a series of contractors come in 680 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.320 and they redo the interior. And that's what was happening 681 00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.920 here from what I was told, and the contract that 682 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.960 came in. And he had a pizza box on the stove. 683 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:19.559 Does that, Hank sound familiar? 684 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:19.840 Hank? 685 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:23.679 And who right? 686 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.000 And so he goes to the. 687 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.320 Back of the apartment or whatever. They're not huge apartments, 688 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:31.679 They're not tiny, but they're not huge. 689 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:33.760 And uh. 690 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.880 He comes back in a pizza boxes on fire. So 691 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.239 he takes the pizza box and instead of throwing it 692 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.159 in the bathroom sink or just getting an off the 693 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.079 sink is right next to the stove and putting it out, 694 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.360 he decides to run it outside down the interior stairs. 695 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:53.960 Yeah you thought that, you thought that this only happened 696 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:54.960 in certain neighborhoods. 697 00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:55.960 Jop security. 698 00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.440 It's universal, it's universal. 699 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.920 So uh so this guy he drops it at the 700 00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:05.039 bottom of the stairs and it takes off back up 701 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.800 the stairs and now it's blowing out the front door 702 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.320 and cutting off the primary means of egress for both 703 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.320 both of the other all three of the other apartments. 704 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.360 So interesting. They did a good job. That came in 705 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.320 and see the line stretched. It was a one line fire. 706 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.840 They they did a very good job putting it out. 707 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.320 But I just wanted to point out the layout is interesting. 708 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:28.639 You know, you get something right at the front door there. 709 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:33.280 It's four apartments in a unit, so that's where you're 710 00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:36.400 you know, there's no firewalls like Hank was just saying, 711 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.679 it's it's a common cock loft upstairs for those four units, 712 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.360 you know. But but then there's a division for the 713 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.920 one on either side. You know, there's a division wall. 714 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.199 So that's a pretty common layout in the United States. 715 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.360 Right now, I was gonna say, God, you must have 716 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.840 those everywhere down by. 717 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.559 You apartment complexes everywhere. I was going to talk about 718 00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.559 a little bit with that. Just the millionstructure different is 719 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.519 the CBS block. The entire capsulates, the entire structure. That's 720 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.880 what just dipparate, sorry, differentiates these from what you guys 721 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:08.400 have up there. 722 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.639 Basically, yet guys don't down here. 723 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.840 What I've seen with the garden apartments is that you 724 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:22.840 have a lot with where the second story has instead 725 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.840 of a hallway, it has like an out an outside deck. 726 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:31.400 But yeah, outside hallway it's open air into the doors. 727 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.000 There's no enclosed hallway, so it's it's. 728 00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.000 The exterior balconies if you will, all the way up here. 729 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.199 It's very common down here. 730 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.920 Right the next area stairs that you know on either side. 731 00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:43.800 Of the building, and you know the apartment just right 732 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.119 down the line, the right. 733 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.760 Floor right, there's no no door that you open up 734 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:49.840 to get and then walk you know, in a stair 735 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:51.000 interior to get there. 736 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:53.880 You opening the door, you're going to the apartment. 737 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.119 Right, god fully sprinkled, Sorry. 738 00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.920 Something depending on when they were built. That was anything 739 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.360 new construction now and you know I was we all 740 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:07.000 know the developers are finding the ways to not put 741 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.400 complete sprinkle system in. You know, if it's a it 742 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:11.199 was for example, you know, the code is anything over 743 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.519 seventy five feet has to require a building or a 744 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.440 sprinkles system. They'll build it to seventy two feets so 745 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.639 they don't have to put that extra money into and crazy, 746 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.599 So they've they're finding whelways about it. For the most part, 747 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.559 we're pretty agressive, so we want you know, since Hurricane 748 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:27.719 Andrew and that stuff, they they're pretty proactive and making 749 00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:29.559 sure that these buildings can sprinkle as much as they can. 750 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.559 So well, that's that's what what I like is what 751 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.960 you're still doing down there is the masonry units, the 752 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.000 masonry walls that are going up, because that's the best 753 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:43.440 protection from my point of view. 754 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.079 I mean, you just see it over and over again. 755 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:46.480 This is just this is not you know, this is 756 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.719 a multi story if you will type, but it's CBS 757 00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.719 block hurricane windows. You know, they're encapsulated in balconies all 758 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:53.199 the way up. Kind of touching on what Hank was 759 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.280 talking about earlier. Every every apartment is pretty much set 760 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.519 the same on every floor is almost identical. You know, 761 00:39:57.559 --> 00:39:59.079 we tell everybody go to the floor below for you 762 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.760 layout and make your way up to the fire floor, 763 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:03.920 et cetera. But that's what it's very common is to 764 00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:04.679 see what you see here. 765 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.119 Yeah, absolutely, And that's good construction, both for storm prep 766 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.400 and for and for fire safety. You know, contains the 767 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:14.360 fire tends to be contained. 768 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:19.639 You know, compartmental, mentalized, I can't even say it. So 769 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.039 it becomes a room and content fire basically, and uh, 770 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.039 you know it gets up in the roof for it 771 00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:25.480 starts on the top floor, then we have to worry 772 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:26.480 about it, go and left and right. 773 00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:27.719 Almost like a project fire. 774 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:29.760 Yeah. 775 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:31.880 And it's the same type of construction really. 776 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:32.360 Yeah. 777 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:37.400 Well, all that hurricane uh preparation or the block with 778 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.320 the with the rebarrow and the hurricane windows, that is great. 779 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.039 But the thing that that is bad is like where 780 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.679 we grow up. You could have a stick frame house 781 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:49.800 with two by two by six is two by eighth, 782 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.639 two by tens is your rafter is everything down here? 783 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.239 The house could be built like a tank, but once 784 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:57.760 it gets to the roof, it's all lightweight. Trust whether 785 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:02.119 it's a private dwelling right here, so everything is lightweight trusts. 786 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.039 You know, same thing here. This is your full lightweight 787 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:06.039 trust that is what we have. 788 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:07.480 Yeah. 789 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.840 And and you know when you know going in there 790 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.159 that you you know the clock is ticking. So that's 791 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:14.960 that's the big thing. I'm sure if firefighters in Florida 792 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:18.960 more aware than anybody as to what they're dealing with 793 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:19.440 that you. 794 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.360 Know, hey, guys, those hurricane windows any have any effect 795 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.519 on venting or is it harder to break those windows 796 00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:26.960 or is it? 797 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.079 Yeah, guys, if they they can a little especially if 798 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.119 they're an insulated glass where it's it takes a little 799 00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.519 bit a little bit more to get through them. But 800 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.719 for us, it's it's the guys get gas sometimes just trying. 801 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.840 If you don't use the right force mil entry technique 802 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:42.519 to get through them, you're gonna get your ass kicked 803 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.280 to be spent special obviously, you know, the time of 804 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.400 day down here is how does it been? All those 805 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.159 other factors, But they they're not easy to get through. 806 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:50.960 We have some good tools that can you know, you 807 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.199 can use a skill set bit right through and and 808 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:55.280 and cut them out. You know, as long as you 809 00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:56.199 can use the right tech. 810 00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:57.400 Really is that what they do? 811 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.719 Yeah, in the middle of it at all, you're gonna 812 00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.159 get Yeah, well, if somebody doesn't train, you're good. They 813 00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:07.039 You're gonna tell a guy that's swinging at that wind 814 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:09.559 taking down there. 815 00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:13.639 That's why nobody takes Why everybody's on the roof, that's 816 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:18.159 why you guys on the roof. Nobody's taking windows K nine. 817 00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.639 So now you know the little miniature K twelve if 818 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.840 you will. It's a K nine now nine inch blade 819 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.360 that we have a general blade on. It cuts right 820 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:25.840 through the glass. 821 00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:27.119 I tell you what. 822 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.159 It was an eye opener for me the first time 823 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.039 when I went to a land on there with the 824 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:37.239 Orange County Wow and uh and then I think by 825 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.800 you gons too, with the coral springs they had they 826 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.159 got they got hurricane glass sliding doors from one of 827 00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:48.440 the guys donated and to actually, like you said, you're 828 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:49.760 not breaking it with a halligaan and. 829 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.320 Acts and you can, but you're just it's gonna take 830 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:53.159 a lot of work, right. 831 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.840 But even even but it's it's like learning how to 832 00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:57.800 cut a roll down for us like they were they 833 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.719 were young firefighters there and then they were cutting it 834 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.079 with the sword. They cut the left side, the right 835 00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.199 side of the bottom. But then they made a doggy 836 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.639 doll because it doesn't break, it swings unlam in it. 837 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:09.960 So it was like you know, and then they couldn't 838 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.039 reach a pietough. So like we said, well, let's let's 839 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.519 talk about this. Let's brainstorm it. I said, you know, 840 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:16.159 like cut it like you would have done, make a 841 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.320 v at the top and then bring it down. And 842 00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:20.840 they tried that, and then the whole glass door fell in, 843 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.000 so you didn't have the swinging door, you know, doggy doll. 844 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.440 But yeah, that's it's tough stuff. It houlds the heat, 845 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:26.119 that's for sure. 846 00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.519 It definitely does. Con that's where it influenced. Now you 847 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.519 talk about tactics and you talk about fire behavior. It 848 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:33.679 definitely influenced these these style buildings. You know, doesn't breathe 849 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.320 so quickly, you know, you know, so that does. 850 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.719 And you lose that, You lose that that one sense 851 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.039 of you know, when you're searching hearing that glass break, right, 852 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:45.320 that's gone, Well. 853 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:46.760 How about getting out if you got to get out 854 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:48.800 of there, and that now I can't take the glass 855 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:49.440 to get out. 856 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:51.960 Yeah, I mean you can. It's just it's again it's 857 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:52.760 a lot of work, you know, if. 858 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:54.599 You don't round are saying his men and then there's 859 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:56.039 men roughly don't know if you'll make. 860 00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:57.400 I didn't think sure. 861 00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:59.639 I don't want to insault anybody. I'm just saying. 862 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.719 One other point. Well, because we're talking about trust roofs here, 863 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:07.760 and if you're a firefighter now and you don't know 864 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:11.639 about lightweight trust and find another profession. But Dennis, you 865 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:16.639 and I I remember years ago teaching and we when 866 00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.679 we started teaching about with the lightweight trust, we all 867 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.199 learned about it because it started here in Florida with 868 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.840 the Reedy Creek Fire Department by Disney right in the seventies. 869 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.760 They had the gift shop and they went in. The 870 00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:31.840 two guys went in with the line. The fire had 871 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:34.000 gotten up in the roof, and the whole root lightweight 872 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.119 with trust collapsed on them and killed them both. 873 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:36.639 Wow. 874 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.719 That's when we everybody started, how did this happen? Oh, 875 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.079 it's lightweight with trust, and that kind of took all 876 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:43.559 from there. 877 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.719 I was one of the first really publicized incidents of 878 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.000 a firefighter line of duty death involving trust. They built 879 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.320 that gift shop back exactly the way it was trust 880 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:57.760 and all right after that, so you know, the whole 881 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.719 idea of being educated about it. No, in the hazards, 882 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.440 it's real important because you know they're going to have 883 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.679 that thing rebuilt before your your wife gets your death 884 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:07.880 benefit for a while. 885 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.000 Why aren't they making it in certain places where you 886 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:12.480 had to put a placard on it that said, like lightweight, 887 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.119 would trust roof for something? They were doing that with something. 888 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.199 I think ai RS in New York if it was yeah. 889 00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:19.679 That's that's all over in New York. 890 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.199 I mean, they were quiet to placard it now, you know, 891 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.960 But I think it's optional for a pre existing condition. 892 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.559 In other words, if you have a trust building already, 893 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:31.920 you know. So there's thousands and thousands of them out there, 894 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.719 you know. I don't know if they're required to placard it. 895 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.320 I'm not one hundred percent sure. We were just talking 896 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.960 about that. I'm not sure how that works because if 897 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.159 it's a pre pre existing condition, I don't know. 898 00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.119 If that's all right, let's move on to the next one. 899 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:48.679 Yeah, I got this one for you. We're going to 900 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:55.679 do some tactics on this. Oh my god, where is 901 00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:58.400 that Lego Land Montreal. 902 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.000 Oh my god, there's a building on Leonard Street that 903 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:05.920 looks like it could be the father of that building, 904 00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:09.639 you know, yeah, the Jengle building. 905 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:16.079 Right yeah, I think Brian Kelty had that, yes, yes, yeah, So. 906 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.079 Anyway, uh again, this is just you know, he's a 907 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:21.840 going to partm It's like I said, the quad, you know, 908 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:23.880 you see you can see the entrances a little better. 909 00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.920 But like I said, it's they were modular. That's another 910 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.119 big thing with these particular buildings. And my mother was 911 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.639 was amazed at the fire and went in there. 912 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:33.840 Mm hmm. 913 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:36.880 It's like the laughing stock of my whole family. I 914 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.800 can't believe those people went in there to put that 915 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:40.719 fire out. 916 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.960 You know, like that, you know, I am. 917 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.400 So anyway, joke, know what she's doing. 918 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.880 Back there there? What is she doing back there? 919 00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:56.280 Yeah? 920 00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:02.199 Next time, nice drapped metal on that. So again, knowing 921 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:05.119 your buildings, knowing how they're constructed, knowing the building codes 922 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:08.559 and which ones fit into each group, you know, that's important. 923 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:10.159 We're not going to get into that here. But the 924 00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:13.239 upper picture here is a very good photograph, very clear 925 00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.320 photograph of a podium style building. I think it's only 926 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.079 one story. It looks like it might be parking on 927 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:23.000 the first floor with apartments above. So this this building 928 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.760 is going up everywhere now, all over the country. 929 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:28.960 Right now, yep. 930 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:30.360 And they're very popular. 931 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.960 And you know, again, all I can say is they 932 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.320 have a lot of similarities with the exception of the 933 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.199 podium portion, the concrete. 934 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:42.119 Lower floor portion with that Edgewater, New Jersey building. 935 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:43.159 So be prepared. 936 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:44.760 And then you go to the other end of the 937 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:50.159 spectrum to fire resistive, like this hospital near me, which 938 00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.880 is very well built, steel, skelt and masonry, you know, 939 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.440 the whole thing. It's it's what a hospital should be, 940 00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:57.199 you know, as far as its construction goes. 941 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.679 Oh yeah, there's parking what to the which one the 942 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:04.159 ones that they have built by me, they attach a 943 00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:05.719 parking garage to these. 944 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.639 The ones by us, but a lot of them have 945 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:11.719 parking garages in the basement and. 946 00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:15.719 On the first five Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. 947 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:19.280 The potential that's probably below. 948 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:20.039 Yeah. 949 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.360 Yeah, So here you go going apartments like we were 950 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.400 just talking about. Yeah, and this is this is everywhere. 951 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:34.360 Yeah, that's a tourist right there. Bro, it's an old picture. 952 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:36.960 A bunch of my colleagues is that this is one 953 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.039 of the slides from the NASA Fire Academy. 954 00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:39.519 Uh. 955 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:41.840 But it points this out very well, you know, and 956 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.639 it's clearly indicated two or three stories in hike, and 957 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.239 you can see, as Hank was talking about earlier, the 958 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:50.440 entrances lined up the way they are. There's all different configurations. 959 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:53.400 We just saw ones where they were two in the 960 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:55.960 middle and then one on you know, ninety degrees on 961 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.239 either side. But there's all sorts of different configurations. But again, 962 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.159 one of this decates basically for most of the time 963 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:06.360 one apartment, one apartment on each floor, and then one 964 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:10.119 apartment on the second floor right next line. The same 965 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.760 thing here. Now this is the differences like townhouses. I 966 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.400 think this is my son's development where he lives, but 967 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:19.519 I'm not sure. But you can see what the division 968 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.639 the dividing walls are exactly what you see, and up 969 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:26.559 in the attic you'll see them extending up to that point, 970 00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.280 you know, and whether they go to the bottom where 971 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.360 they go through. These obviously go to the bottom. But 972 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:33.800 you can't from the outside tell whether, like guns I 973 00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:37.239 was saying, whether they're masonary walls or whether they're gypsum walls, 974 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.719 you know, doubled up one in sheet rock, which basically 975 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:43.320 gives you that rating. And they generally you can tell 976 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.440 their separate utilities for each that's an easy way to 977 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.320 pick it out. But our next line, okay, same thing here, 978 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.920 you know, but the difference is the doors. You know, again, 979 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:56.159 one unit, one unit, one family lives in that entire 980 00:49:56.559 --> 00:50:00.920 section between the yellow lines, all right, and that yeah, 981 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:03.119 that's okay, But that was what I was getting at before. 982 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:08.840 You notice how the roof lines here are staggered. Okay, 983 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.679 that's that's the firewar. That's how you can tell it's 984 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.079 a firewall. All right, it's generally intact. And that's that's 985 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:18.199 what they do. They stagger at that one picture at 986 00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:20.360 the beginning, those were all staggered. 987 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:20.639 You know. 988 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.920 It's just an easy way for them to to put 989 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:24.559 a firewar. 990 00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.800 And how do we identify that pre planned get out? 991 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:36.000 Get out there? Maybe oh bell, yeah, we got. 992 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:37.639 All. 993 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.119 If you're taking and you're on the on the take, 994 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:46.079 you know, then it's all right, Andy k swimming and 995 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:47.039 miss he struck him out. 996 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:53.079 Every ten years, that seems to happen, right, It's like 997 00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:54.239 a ten year cycle. 998 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:58.400 Yeah, you have to take an interest in this when 999 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.000 it's going up, not just after it. That's exactly I'm saying, 1000 00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:04.559 because once it's up and then you pull up to this, 1001 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.039 you're never going to know whether did they put a 1002 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:11.119 masonry wall? Is a double gypsum, you know, And that's 1003 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:13.960 a great opportunity for fire officers to be taking pictures 1004 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.840 to drill on later. And when you fire fighters get 1005 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:19.000 there after it's built, they can say this is in 1006 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.119 our district, and this is this is what you know 1007 00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:23.840 aur was built, and this is how fire's gonna spread. 1008 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:28.519 So Hank Garo's pictures were still on the computer when 1009 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.119 when I got there in O nine back when I 1010 00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:32.000 came back, they were. 1011 00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:32.440 Still on there. 1012 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:33.320 All right. 1013 00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:35.400 You know you know how it's built. 1014 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.880 Mm hmm yeah, because what you have today it it 1015 00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.800 might sleep for decades before you actually have an incident 1016 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:44.000 in it. 1017 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:44.760 You know what I'm saying. 1018 00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:47.920 I used to always say, you know, my training's out here. 1019 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.880 I would say, you know, this stuff goes into computer 1020 00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.559 and we might not need it until the guy and 1021 00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:55.000 I'll point to the prob. 1022 00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:57.079 Until a little. 1023 00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:59.599 Tommy here who just joined last week is the chief. 1024 00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.760 You know that maybe the next time we need to 1025 00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:06.559 use this. But it's true because it just goes It's 1026 00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:08.880 like it goes to sleep, you know, and unless the 1027 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.519 senior men in the offices walk it up and go, 1028 00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:13.360 you know what the problem is with that building? You 1029 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:16.679 know what the major safety issue is there, you know. 1030 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.639 And with all of these, the biggest thing is the interior, 1031 00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:21.199 which we didn't even talk about. It's just like a 1032 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.719 private dwell and the open interior stairs that carries the 1033 00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:26.679 products and combustion upstairs. And then the other stuff comes 1034 00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:31.360 into play, the compartmentalization, like Gonzo said, Uh, the the 1035 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.320 common cockloft if it gets up there, how How. 1036 00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:38.920 How well secured is that cocklift? 1037 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:39.400 How? 1038 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:42.599 And that goes back to what Hank just said about 1039 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.679 seeing it when it's installed. And I got a couple 1040 00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.000 of good slides. Hopefully we get to them of a 1041 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.559 building in Queens that was going up and didn't do 1042 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.079 such a great job. So they haven't had an incident 1043 00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.400 in it, but we'll see. So move on to the 1044 00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:55.920 next line. 1045 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:57.400 And here it is. 1046 00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.400 That's exactly what I was talking of. So so I 1047 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:04.440 got a I got three real experienced people here. What 1048 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.280 is the problem in this in this this building is 1049 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.880 under construction. This has been occupied for twenty five years now. 1050 00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.320 The web, right, somebody, somebody lives here. 1051 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:14.519 Yeah, what is going on the. 1052 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:16.880 Web using that they're using that isn't b board for 1053 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:18.079 the web and the trust. 1054 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.480 Yeah, that's certainly part of it. All lightweight components. 1055 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:26.000 It's a huge, huge quad uh lightweight wood trusts as 1056 00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:26.960 a ridge pole. 1057 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:27.400 Uh. 1058 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.480 But this that's not what I'm talking about. 1059 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.440 This is that stuck on the insulation. Now what is 1060 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:33.559 that thing on the tough one? 1061 00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:34.760 Where are you talking about? 1062 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:35.440 Right? 1063 00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:39.480 Right now? You have you have insulation that's still creating 1064 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.639 a void for travel to spread where the two by 1065 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.400 four walls are. You got t J I as as 1066 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.039 your your floor joys or your ceiling raft is there 1067 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.800 wherever the ticos are holding in. So that's just you know, 1068 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.880 and then obviously you got the gusset plates that are 1069 00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:59.719 holding together. It is this lightweight would trust that with 1070 00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.599 a little bit of fire, you know, it's gonna h 1071 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.760 wish I could zoom in on that, you know, I. 1072 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:10.159 Mean, it's okay, I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell you, Uh, 1073 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.440 it's not going up to the top. Yeah, that's exactly it. 1074 00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:16.880 That's exactly it. 1075 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:19.800 So this is getting back to the point earlier about 1076 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.480 what the quality is of the firewalls and the partitions 1077 00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.559 between the between the units. And like Hank said, you 1078 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:29.840 got to get in there when it's under construction. So Brian, 1079 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.559 Hicky and I stopped because it was on our way home, 1080 00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:36.239 you know. And uh, when when we first started working 1081 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:39.760 together downtown and we said, there's this new complex was 1082 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.360 at the Northern State Parkway and the Grand Central Parkway 1083 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.360 is the old seminary property there, and they built I 1084 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:51.360 don't know how many forty or fifty beautiful, very upscale townhouses. 1085 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.239 This is the attic of one of them, so peaked 1086 00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.800 roof you can see all the components. The components itself, 1087 00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.519 like you guys pointed out, are plenty enough to worry about. 1088 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.920 But that green board is that insulation, that's uh, that's 1089 00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:09.239 ships and boarders, that's the firewall. And they just and 1090 00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:11.440 they managed to do a great job getting it in, 1091 00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:15.920 getting it corked, getting it compliant, except they just in 1092 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:21.719 every unit we went in the space, Yeah, they. 1093 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:23.639 Couldn't quite get it up. I'm waiting. This is going 1094 00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:24.679 to be a fifth lawn. 1095 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.559 This is gonna be a sleeping cap its sleeping sleep. 1096 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.920 Man, it's snoring away. But man, what a surprise. I 1097 00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.199 gave this to the Deputy Chief and the division at 1098 00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:37.559 the time. 1099 00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:39.840 Nothing. 1100 00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:42.800 Heck, have you ever seen trusses married up like that? 1101 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.519 Like there's four or five of them there? How many 1102 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:45.719 of that? 1103 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:51.960 I've never seen six six eight two eight? Yeah, it 1104 00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:53.440 might be the web. 1105 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.320 I don't think it's that big, guys, don't. That's why 1106 00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:00.840 there's so many of them put together, either a two 1107 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:02.280 by four or two by six. 1108 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:04.199 Yeah, I'd say two by six. 1109 00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:06.320 Yeah, And I've never seen that before. And they're not 1110 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:07.239 resting on anything. 1111 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:09.360 Looks like it actually looks like it is. I thought 1112 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:09.880 the same thing. 1113 00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:12.239 Places on it. 1114 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:15.639 They're resting on the two by it has to be. 1115 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:20.760 Yeah, it's it's amazing, right right, And then. 1116 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.559 The other two by fours are just there to give 1117 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.119 structural strength between the webs. But the bottom, the bottom 1118 00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:29.320 cord is west is resting on a column. 1119 00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:30.360 I say. 1120 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.119 It does look like that, Yeah, yeah it is because 1121 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.440 the one is different colors, you know, like flat. 1122 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:40.840 Right, there's five two by fours that it's sitting on. 1123 00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:42.559 I don't think I've ever seen that like that. 1124 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.440 Yeah, No, it's very unusual. 1125 00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:46.320 Brian Hickey and I were talking about it the rest 1126 00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:48.519 of the way home, and we're going, man, this is 1127 00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:50.679 going to kill somebody. I mean, this is unbelievable. But 1128 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:53.519 you know, but it's out there, and it's it's not 1129 00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:55.480 the only example of things like this. 1130 00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.400 It's sleeping, yeah exactly. 1131 00:56:58.800 --> 00:56:59.079 You know what. 1132 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.840 You know the reason I would have to be that 1133 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:08.800 big because it's probably spanning a tremendous uh area, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 1134 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:10.000 it was what distance. 1135 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.599 These were big luxury buildings, I mean, and uh but 1136 00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:15.519 rows of them, you know, ros them. 1137 00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:16.599 I have more pictures of it. 1138 00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:16.960 We took. 1139 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:18.159 I took like twenty. 1140 00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:20.880 Thirty like you said, the weakness there besides the the 1141 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:21.599 gust plates. 1142 00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.440 Yeah yeah, and somebody graduated a. 1143 00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:27.440 Quarter inch the thing falls out and then it's just 1144 00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:28.400 it's a domino. 1145 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:29.360 Yeah. 1146 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:30.039 Yeah. 1147 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.320 The first ones were actually occupied when we went to this, 1148 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:34.360 and you know, I mean two two, yeah, this is 1149 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:38.199 that's that's the same thing. These are these are these 1150 00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.400 are ones in the same development that are not quite 1151 00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:43.199 as far along. So if you look real closely where 1152 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.400 the vertical wall is on the left hand side of 1153 00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:49.159 the picture, you'll see that same gypsum. 1154 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:51.039 Board doubled up I think one inch. 1155 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:53.400 If you look over to the right when the ladder 1156 00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.960 is the work ladder that you know, the manufactured ladder. Uh, 1157 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.480 there's the other one right there, doubled up one inch. 1158 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.800 That's the firewall right on either side between units. And 1159 00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:08.320 again everything it's a lumber yard, you know, uh, built 1160 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:14.519 on a slab. But everyone that we went in had 1161 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.599 that little gap at the top, you know, so the 1162 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:21.079 drywall contractor really needed some work. 1163 00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:23.840 I mean again, was I there when they sold it 1164 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:24.559 and they opened it? 1165 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:24.920 No? 1166 00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:28.000 Did they finish it right? I tend to doubt it 1167 00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.400 because we saw one like that. I think that one 1168 00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:34.000 that we just saw, the previous slide may have been 1169 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.599 in a unit that had been sold already but not occupied. 1170 00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:40.519 So in the city of New York, and I think 1171 00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:42.199 it's still the same. And I don't know. Like down 1172 00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.519 by UK, we are guns, but you know, large commercial 1173 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:48.960 high rise and stuff. When it comes time they have 1174 00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:53.000 to have a separate fire inspection as far as for 1175 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.800 fire retard and you know, anytime there's a penetration and 1176 00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:57.679 they have to use a certain amount of a certain 1177 00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:01.440 type of quark and everything. But here these guys, these 1178 00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:06.599 architects can self self certified, So I mean, yeah, they're 1179 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.760 they're kind of liable because they're putting the name to it. 1180 00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:09.880 But we all know that. 1181 00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:12.239 You know, sometimes there's an envelope that comes across the 1182 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:16.440 table and you know, once the walls closed up, it's 1183 00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:17.199 like no harm, no. 1184 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:22.679 Foul, right exactly, you know the cutout for I know, 1185 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:28.239 I was like, man, builders, curse this whole arm in that. 1186 00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:30.760 Yeah, that's an abortion. 1187 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.079 That thing on the right, I think I should I 1188 00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:35.480 think I showed you a picture of the building on 1189 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:38.760 the left with the cutout with the with the what 1190 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:40.880 do you call it the ductwork going through it. There 1191 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:44.079 was a there was a this building on the left 1192 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.360 had a cutout for a c duct work that was 1193 00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:51.440 almost the entire diameter of the wet you know, so 1194 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:53.880 it was, uh so, where's it gonna fail? And then 1195 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:55.800 look a look at the end wall. The end wall 1196 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.719 is Sea Joyce metal. You were talking about metal Sea 1197 00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.639 Joys earlier. You know, that's that's the bearing wall on this, 1198 01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.199 you know, so not hard to see. And then when 1199 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:10.199 you see them really yeah, you know, you know you 1200 01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:11.039 know what these are? 1201 01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:13.760 Why flood braced right there? Because they need to get 1202 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.239 some more, some more in there to hold a damn 1203 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:16.960 platform up. 1204 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:20.199 Yeah, exactly, And these were in one seventy six is 1205 01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:24.800 first to area about three blocks in the firehouse. The 1206 01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:27.840 guy told us that the reason they one of the 1207 01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:31.920 reasons that they used the metal see joys on the 1208 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:35.199 baring walls is like Gonza was saying in Florida, and 1209 01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:38.360 they used the masonry units to send the blocks right. Well, 1210 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.360 here they were able to. This is what happens with 1211 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:42.800 the codes. They're different from place to place. They're trying 1212 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:45.400 to change that and they have to a certain extent. 1213 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.840 But this is what was allowed. It was like the 1214 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:51.679 wild while west back and this was in the nineteen nineties, 1215 01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:52.840 the early nineties, right. 1216 01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:55.880 But this guy told me because. 1217 01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:58.719 This was an entire block of these, he said, by 1218 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:01.519 doing that, by getting away from the cinder blocks, they 1219 01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.840 picked up enough space between each unit for an entire 1220 01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:08.719 city block a long block to put. 1221 01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.199 Up another unit, another building. 1222 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:14.480 Yeah, another building. So that's like the building code seventy 1223 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:18.079 five feet. We need a spickle system. Yeah. Yeah, it 1224 01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:19.480 just went the other way with that one. 1225 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:21.480 And the other. 1226 01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.880 The other picture speaks for itself. All I have to 1227 01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.760 say is thank God, craftsmanship isn't dead, you know. 1228 01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:34.880 Yeah, those with those joys, you're allowed to make a 1229 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.440 penetration one third of the diameter of the joist without 1230 01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:42.840 affecting its strength integrity. So right right there, you've got 1231 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:47.039 two tandem where they have no you know, the one 1232 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.440 they cut the whole top cord off and then basically 1233 01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:50.119 the whole web. 1234 01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:51.320 Yeah, the top corner. 1235 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.000 Yeah, that's little integrity there, and the other one, the 1236 01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.320 whole web is cut out. So there's there's hardly any 1237 01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.079 structural integrity there. You get any fire in there, and 1238 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:00.840 it's just going. 1239 01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:01.920 That's a beauty. 1240 01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:05.079 Without a debt. Let me just see if I can 1241 01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.920 find where the other Oh these are your sea joyce. 1242 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:11.320 Now these were in a These these were brand new, 1243 01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:14.440 These were in the city. This was in a renovated 1244 01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.480 tenement on Eastern Parkway in Brooklyn, the one picture on 1245 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:20.320 the left right. So how did these buildings perform? 1246 01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:21.480 I forget. 1247 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:22.880 I had to go to a meeting one day and 1248 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:27.599 Brian Hicky and I were working together, So I think 1249 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.239 it might have been Ray Goldback or Eddie Garerty said 1250 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:31.960 they had a they had like a third alarm in 1251 01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:35.239 Sunset Park last night. But they said there was a 1252 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.239 big issue with some new type of construction and also 1253 01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:40.320 in a renovation. Right. 1254 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:44.239 This is the building on the right is the aftermath 1255 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.639 of the second alarm in Sunset Park where these were 1256 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.079 used in a renovation, right, not not in a new building, 1257 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.119 not in new construction. And look at how they behaved 1258 01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:56.079 at that second alarm. All right, they look like spaghetti right. 1259 01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:56.679 Uh. 1260 01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:00.719 So you know I thought when I first yeah, I 1261 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:02.559 thought when I first saw them that, you know, not 1262 01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:05.719 a performer, right, And then you see it now and 1263 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:07.960 all every fire with these things. 1264 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:08.360 Looks like that. 1265 01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:13.360 You know, that's an interesting picture. If you look at Dennis, 1266 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:16.599 the one where the see joysts are all you know, 1267 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:19.880 the form, that's an old frame next to it. 1268 01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:24.360 Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I believe the firebuilding 1269 01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:25.480 was a renovated frame. 1270 01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:26.239 Right. 1271 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:28.800 So for you New York guys that are watching the 1272 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:31.320 young ones, when you talk about the frame, and it's 1273 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:34.719 talking about brick nogging in between you you know, the units, 1274 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:36.960 that's what all that is what you see in between 1275 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:42.320 those charred wouldn't uh you know, wouldn't uh studs, that's 1276 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.679 brick nogging that's supposed to keep fire from spreading into 1277 01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:48.400 the next building. But you know, when it's one hundred 1278 01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:50.480 years old and the mortars dried out, and you see 1279 01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.960 they just used all old bricks and stuff. You could 1280 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.400 see how easily fire, you know, fire could you know, 1281 01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:56.239 spread through. 1282 01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:57.079 That it's another building. 1283 01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:01.519 Yeah, so yeah, so that's you know that it was 1284 01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:04.079 a newly renovated building next to that old frame. 1285 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:06.000 Right exactly. 1286 01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.760 I just you know, don't be deceived like like I 1287 01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:10.920 was the first time I saw this, And I said, 1288 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:13.519 which I saw at in new construction. We were able 1289 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:15.719 to walk through it, But I said, now, who knows, 1290 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:17.960 you know, because we had no experience with it. I 1291 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.280 don't think anybody did at that point. And I don't 1292 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:22.719 think this will be that bad. It's you know, it's noncombustible, 1293 01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:25.679 and man, you see it gets exposed to heat, it wilts, 1294 01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:30.320 you know, it just wilts right away, all right. 1295 01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:31.599 So what do we have to do. 1296 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:33.920 We were talking about it a little earlier. You know, 1297 01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:38.360 I've I've always loved this. That's saying is the single 1298 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:41.719 best life saving action is a well placed hose line. 1299 01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:44.199 Put it, put it out before it kills somebody or 1300 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.599 it comes looking for us. And uh and that's it. 1301 01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:49.960 You know, we we we tend to get a little 1302 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:53.360 we overthink things sometimes today, uh as to what we 1303 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:57.119 should be doing and just you know, go back to 1304 01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.920 basics and get the line into operation. You know, you 1305 01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:03.639 can't stress that enough. You know, it's just get that, 1306 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:06.920 get that first line operating. 1307 01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.800 Wet stuff on the red stuff right now. 1308 01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:11.760 It's an old picture, five man engine. 1309 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:17.719 Yeah here right, yeah, but that's what it says. 1310 01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:19.679 You know, they did a lot of studies with that, 1311 01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:21.760 and that's how they were able to justify five man 1312 01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:24.519 five man staffing and uh, you know, get to remember 1313 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.280 one of those guys as the pump operator. So it's 1314 01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:28.880 four guys to stretch. And even today when it's a 1315 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:31.519 four man engine and it's three man's three men stretching. 1316 01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:32.559 What does the job do? 1317 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:36.719 The job requires companies, especially for the first line, because 1318 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:40.000 the job is emphasizing get the first line. That they 1319 01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.079 that they team up engine companies. That's requiet today. 1320 01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:43.320 You know. 1321 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.320 So that was we were doing that before I retire. 1322 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:49.280 You know, it was like oh a second do was stuck? 1323 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:52.440 You know, it's just unless you that don't go right, 1324 01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:55.639 don't go allegedly allegedly. 1325 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:01.280 So so but what I'm what I'm saying, you know what, again, 1326 01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.360 for around the country, we get spoiled in New York 1327 01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.400 because you know, we do have decent staffing. That's one 1328 01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:09.800 of the things I've always, you know, said, when when 1329 01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:13.039 I've I've spoken or talked to guys from around the country, 1330 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:15.320 we're spoiled. You know, you go to a place like 1331 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.480 where Gonzo works, it's a completely different ball game. It's 1332 01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:19.960 a completely different ballgame. 1333 01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:20.159 You know. 1334 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:23.119 I always remember going to Disney once with my kids, 1335 01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.639 and you know, we were never like off duty. And 1336 01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:27.719 you know, you pull up to a light and a 1337 01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:29.800 lot of truck pulls up next to me, and I'm 1338 01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:31.639 looking at how many guys are in the back of 1339 01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:32.880 this thing, you know, I'm looking. 1340 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:36.719 At it one Maybe anyway you might get a second one. 1341 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:43.079 This is the number one tourist destination in the United States. 1342 01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:47.000 They are printing money basically in this town, you know, 1343 01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:50.639 and they can only afford one firefighter. 1344 01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:50.480 In the back. 1345 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.480 Now, the average person doesn't know anything. They know that 1346 01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:57.079 there's the firefighter, and there's there's firefighters on the fire truck. 1347 01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:57.920 We're good. 1348 01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.719 But we all know when we look at these buildings 1349 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:04.000 that we're staying in and we go this is a standpipe. 1350 01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:08.840 This is you know, this is a major, major UH 1351 01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:10.599 commitment of manpower just to. 1352 01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:11.519 Search this place. 1353 01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:14.519 But if there isn't it, you know, so it's it's 1354 01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:16.840 there's a lot of smoking mirrors going on these days. 1355 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:22.320 Five more, Darren, at least five more, five more. 1356 01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:28.719 Hated. You said that we're spoiled. I don't think we're spoiled. 1357 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.960 I think we're staffed the way you should be staffed. Yeah, 1358 01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:36.480 you're right, you're and you know I want you know, 1359 01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:39.920 we've got friends all over now, you know, Carolina is 1360 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:43.039 in Florida, and I would say, man, you know, I 1361 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:46.559 can't believe you're getting it done with with this small 1362 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:47.480 amount of guys you have. 1363 01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:51.119 Well, it's just about calling the UH the alums early 1364 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:52.880 and you know, you kill it with manpower with a 1365 01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:54.840 few trucks. You know, we'll kill it with man power 1366 01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:57.599 with several several trucks kind of thing, because you need 1367 01:07:57.679 --> 01:07:57.960 the body. 1368 01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.400 The problem with that is also a distance, you know, Yeah, 1369 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:03.639 it takes longer to get the guys there. 1370 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:07.639 About places that are even more roll than where Gonzo is. 1371 01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:09.960 I mean, they're ryan with nobody, man, I mean, they're 1372 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:11.679 waiting a while for somebody else to come in. 1373 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:16.239 Light were just a driver, you go. 1374 01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:21.239 Let me ask you this, because I think in New 1375 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:24.520 York it was always the dispatchers had a lot of leeway. 1376 01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:29.119 If they would get numerous calls and you could hit 1377 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:32.319 the phone ring and they would tell the chief, going, listen, Chief, 1378 01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:34.640 we're getting numerous calls. We're giving you an extra engine 1379 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:37.880 and truck or you know whatever. I've never you know, 1380 01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:41.279 I've been in firehouses down here, and I've never liked 1381 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.960 Is it that strict that they don't give the dispatches 1382 01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.720 or the dispatches just aren't into the job that way 1383 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:52.199 to get there and then make that decision okay, now 1384 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:53.279 we need more units. 1385 01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:53.479 You know. 1386 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:55.920 It's it's changing a little bit, but for the most 1387 01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:58.199 part of the dispatches they have a strict way that 1388 01:08:58.239 --> 01:08:59.800 they go. And if it's something like that where they're 1389 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:02.760 gett multiple phone calls, they'll they'll dispatch the first along 1390 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:04.600 assignment and then so by the way, chief, we're getting 1391 01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:06.840 received numerous phone calls on that and the chief's paying attention, 1392 01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:09.560 which most of us are paying attention, they'll upgrade the 1393 01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.159 assignment and send a nexture engine or a rescue or 1394 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.239 something like that to start until we get somebody on scene. 1395 01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:15.760 But that's usually how it is. 1396 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.439 But the dispatchers don't have the freedom too, because you 1397 01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:20.840 guys operate completely different. I wish they had a little 1398 01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:22.520 bit more freedom to do that and and you know, 1399 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:26.359 make those judgment calls when they get the information firsthand. 1400 01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:28.680 We have a lot of new dispatchers too that we're 1401 01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:30.359 trying to train, so we're trying we're dealing with that 1402 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:32.720 transition as well now too. But to answer your question, 1403 01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:35.880 is it's really you know, up to the chief if 1404 01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:38.640 they provide the right information on dispatch, because. 1405 01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:40.319 I mean at a minute or two, you know, getting 1406 01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:41.960 a rig roll and you know that much sooner. 1407 01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:44.880 Yeah, difference in your initial like Frank you said, you 1408 01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:47.600 can always turn them back, Yeah, always turn them back. 1409 01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:52.239 Yeah, get getting water on the fire is is there? 1410 01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:53.520 It's one on one. 1411 01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:55.359 Solve a lot of problems. 1412 01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:58.199 Yeah, next slide, next things better, But we still have 1413 01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:03.760 the rescue problem, like you see problems, Yeah, big problems, right, 1414 01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:08.319 and then you know removing civilians right there that now 1415 01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:12.720 you now your hose operation comes to a grinding wault 1416 01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:14.960 if you've only got one one unit. Yeah, that's the 1417 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.199 that's the classic promotional exam question. What do you do 1418 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.039 you pull up and there's somebody hanging out a window 1419 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:24.079 like the picture on the right. Uh, but you've got 1420 01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:26.239 to you're an engine company. You got to stretch the line. 1421 01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:26.800 So what do you do? 1422 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:27.119 You know? 1423 01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:30.680 So that that's always been an issue in the fire service, 1424 01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:34.279 you know, going back forever. I always remember reading an 1425 01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:37.600 article about the Lady of Angels fire in Chicago and 1426 01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:41.079 the first two the first two officer on the first 1427 01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:45.119 two engine was pillaried initially because he stretched the line, 1428 01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:48.199 and he stretched the line in when they were you know, 1429 01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:50.680 they were dropping kids out of the upper floors, right. 1430 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.880 But in hindsight, he did exactly the right thing because 1431 01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:57.880 he got in there and he was able to start 1432 01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:00.399 knocking the fire down, and by putting that line where 1433 01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:03.039 he put it, he saved an additional number of people 1434 01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:04.560 who would have perished if he had for. 1435 01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:07.399 The reason you just said that in two seconds ago, right, 1436 01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:08.520 get the line in operation. 1437 01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:12.359 It's exactly more lives than uh, you know, but. 1438 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:14.560 We still are going to have we're still going to 1439 01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:16.760 have the rescue problems, you know, And this is what 1440 01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:19.079 this is the one thing that bothers me with lightweight 1441 01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:22.439 construction is it's all okay, it's manageable. 1442 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:23.760 It's manageable. It's manageable. 1443 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:26.399 Like we're talking now, right, all right, we've thought about it, 1444 01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:28.119 we're aware of it, we're gonna we know how to 1445 01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:31.560 handle it. But it's always at two o'clock in the 1446 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:35.840 morning or one o'clock in the afternoon, that understaffed engine 1447 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:38.760 turns the corner. And now mom is on the front 1448 01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:41.520 lawn and this building which we have no intention of 1449 01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:45.239 going into because it's so hazardous because of the way 1450 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:49.119 they built it. Now now, now two kids are in there, 1451 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:51.479 you know, And that's what always happens. And then we 1452 01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:53.840 got then we got to be firefighters, you know, then 1453 01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:56.520 we gotta Now we're not, you know, we want to 1454 01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:58.800 be safety advocates. We want to do things safely. We 1455 01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:01.720 want to everybody go home, all this stuff. But mom 1456 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:04.119 is on the front lawn, two kids are in there. 1457 01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:05.399 You know, what are you gonna do? 1458 01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:10.399 So next lefe, there's a fire up by us again, 1459 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:14.720 same kind of thing, you know, guarding apartments. Uh, life 1460 01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:18.239 hazard is I believe Jericho and New York. Uh, But 1461 01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:22.319 again void spaces fire can really extend, and it did, 1462 01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:26.920 and unprotected cock loft fanatic spaces, which you know are 1463 01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:30.359 going to vary in the type of compartmentation that they 1464 01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:32.920 have to limit the spread. You know, it's going to 1465 01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:38.680 vary from from even in the same municipality. Generation of buildings, 1466 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:41.079 you know, buildings that were built forty years ago, fifty 1467 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:43.239 years ago are gonna have a different level of fire 1468 01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:45.840 protection and the buildings that were built today, you know, 1469 01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:48.159 so and you have to be aware of it. And again, 1470 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:50.399 getting back to what we've been saying over and over again, 1471 01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:52.079 you got to get out, you got to inspect them, 1472 01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:53.479 you got to be aware of the hazards. 1473 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:56.680 Yeah, Lou, I mean sorry, that's over note. 1474 01:12:58.760 --> 01:12:59.880 Okay, So what do we do? 1475 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:02.199 You know, the general tactics are get a line into 1476 01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:06.760 operation and then flank the fire on either side to 1477 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:09.680 keep it from extending pair, you know, out past the building. 1478 01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:11.960 So to do that, you know, to the exposures, the 1479 01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:15.479 exposures on the right and your left, you know, And 1480 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.760 that's easier said and done. Again, think about the amount 1481 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:20.159 of empower. It's a full line fire, as we said earlier, 1482 01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:24.319 you know, at least a full line fire what kind 1483 01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:27.720 of resources do you need on seen in your organization 1484 01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:29.600 to be able to do that, to be able to 1485 01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:33.560 to to get that kind of efficiency and get that 1486 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:35.640 kind of water on the fire, and to be able 1487 01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:39.920 to confine and extinguish the fire. You know, you know, yeah, yeah, 1488 01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:44.560 very often it's gonna be. But sometimes when you know, 1489 01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:46.840 if it hasn't, let's say it's in the original the 1490 01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:49.920 original townhouse, and it's up and into the attic, you 1491 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:53.319 can get into the exposures without much problem, get start 1492 01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.880 to get the ceilings down and apply water to keep 1493 01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:00.279 it from spreading. But again, if you don't have the 1494 01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:03.439 resources to do that, you're absolutely right. Gun, So oh, 1495 01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:07.000 you're absolutely right. It's it's gonna be a tower. And 1496 01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:10.439 in some places you know it is from the get. 1497 01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:11.720 Gun face something like that. 1498 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:14.199 I mean, for us, so you're talking about tactics, something 1499 01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:16.439 that's coming through the roof, were more than likely we're 1500 01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:18.000 not going in. It's going to be immediately a surround 1501 01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:20.199 the drought, our taxes if we can't handle it, because 1502 01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:22.479 our engines carry on a thousand gallons of water on 1503 01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:24.119 all of them. So if we can't hit it with 1504 01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:26.800 the first two un scene it's going to a defensive operation. 1505 01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.640 We're not even going you know, with staffing everything too. 1506 01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:32.640 I've been watching a lot of videos putting these videos 1507 01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:34.800 together for the couple of Joes that I do, and 1508 01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:39.039 I think one of the most underused tools is the 1509 01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.880 deck gun because I see it a lot, like in 1510 01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:43.720 Harrisburg where they do a lot of they do a 1511 01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:46.880 lot of work. They'll have three buildings going and only 1512 01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:48.680 one engines on site, and I don't know how many 1513 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:50.720 guys they ride with, and they're calling, you know, get 1514 01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:52.800 the dock deck gun, Get the deck gun, and the 1515 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:55.039 Shoff climbs up there and he knocks down a lot 1516 01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:56.680 of fire with the deck gun before the guys can 1517 01:14:56.720 --> 01:14:57.760 get in there and stretch a light. 1518 01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:00.239 Depending on the tank water, you know, they we got 1519 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.000 a good minute burst, you know for some of us 1520 01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:02.960 two minutes after, just. 1521 01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:05.479 Enough to knock get down so just for another engine 1522 01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.279 to come in and get the line stretched or whatever 1523 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:07.479 it is. 1524 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:09.680 But we used to practice. It was like one of 1525 01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:12.199 the first things we did. It became the squad right 1526 01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:15.119 cat Murphy Cash. Yeah. Yeah. 1527 01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:17.800 We had to shut off on the top so you 1528 01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:20.119 could shut you know, you could start it then run 1529 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:24.479 up and then open it up, you know, I remember. 1530 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:26.640 Yeah, and that's the you know, what are they calling 1531 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:31.239 it now, transitional attack or whatever, but Wood's attack whiskers, Yeah, 1532 01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:33.920 I know, and and and it's like, you know, there 1533 01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:37.119 are times for everything, you know, I don't I don't 1534 01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:40.960 agree with that, like for a one room fire now. 1535 01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:43.039 But I got a picture of a house going. 1536 01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:45.720 I don't know if we'll get to it, but over 1537 01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:48.800 the summer that we used the deck gun and the 1538 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:52.000 fire was knocked down in thirty seconds to a minute. 1539 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.079 I mean, I think more on the thirty second end. 1540 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:57.600 And it was it was a fully involved house fire. 1541 01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:02.479 It went from being an expand operation to an operation 1542 01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:06.000 now that was contained and mopped up with hand lines 1543 01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:07.720 pretty much. I think we used the towel adder for 1544 01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:09.960 a little bit and then and then they mopped it 1545 01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:13.640 up with hand lines. But again using the right tool 1546 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:14.439 at the right time. 1547 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:15.279 You know that. 1548 01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:19.359 That's that's important. If you you know what you want 1549 01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:20.880 to skip to that because we don't have that much 1550 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:23.560 time left. I'll show you what I'm talking about. 1551 01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:31.760 Uh, go to go to thirty five stand by boom. 1552 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:34.039 Okay, yeah, that's a perfect job for that. 1553 01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:38.079 Yeah, yeah, you know, just protect the exposures at that point, 1554 01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:38.319 you know. 1555 01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:42.760 Yeah, So this is this is three thirty in the afternoon, okay, 1556 01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:47.159 on a weekday. The story is that this fire started 1557 01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:49.399 on the outside, somewhere on the on the side we're 1558 01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:49.840 looking at. 1559 01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:54.880 The closest exposure was on the two side on the 1560 01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:57.560 b side right, and. 1561 01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:00.239 That was getting ready to go sighting was burnt off 1562 01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:03.880 of the house that's on the exposure foreside that we're 1563 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:04.560 looking at here. 1564 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:06.479 People are home for this. 1565 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:12.159 There's a grandmother watching her granddaughter in the house. And 1566 01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:15.520 luckily there was a contractor across the street that was 1567 01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:19.000 putting a driveway in or something, and the guys ran 1568 01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:21.279 across the street and were able to get the people 1569 01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:24.439 out the back door. They didn't even know the fire. 1570 01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:27.520 The house was on fire, so it's all on the outside. 1571 01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:30.319 So it's a little deceiving looking at it. But it's 1572 01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:32.840 not on the outside anymore looking at this picture, because 1573 01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:36.239 it got right into the cock loft and the attic, 1574 01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:40.880 i should say, and it was just fully involved. So anyway, 1575 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:43.039 the engine gets in and just like what I was 1576 01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:47.920 gonna say, this picture was taken by a neighbor across 1577 01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:54.399 the street, so next line. So these guys came in. 1578 01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:55.439 This is the first two. 1579 01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:59.399 Engine on the left, and they get on the hydrant. 1580 01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:01.479 For one, you know, luck is on our side. The 1581 01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:03.119 hydrant is diagonally across the street. 1582 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:04.199 Oh, they hit it. 1583 01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:07.000 They hit it with this deck gun. And like I said, 1584 01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:10.439 they had a great water supply. The hydrant was right there, 1585 01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:11.680 and this thing. 1586 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:14.079 Was knocked down. That kind of fire was knocked down. 1587 01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:16.760 In thirty seconds to a minute, mopped up with that 1588 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.600 towel ladder and hand lines and literally this operation was 1589 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:25.119 under control in twenty minutes, you know, from what you 1590 01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:29.359 just saw. But again, like you guys were talking about before, Yeah, 1591 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:31.079 and that could have that could have been an expanding 1592 01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:34.279 operation into into two different homes, you know, other than 1593 01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:37.439 you know that we tend to look at the the tactics, 1594 01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:39.600 but we we don't look at the big picture, the 1595 01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:42.840 strategy of confining it, you know. And uh, and they 1596 01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:46.279 they eliminated that boom and then the first hand line 1597 01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:48.079 went and protected the exposure. 1598 01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:51.000 So boom, that problem now is not And you know 1599 01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:52.640 he can ask Gonzo, he's the chief. 1600 01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:53.199 You know. 1601 01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:55.640 Now, all of a sudden, it's a very different fire problem. 1602 01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:59.680 It's a very different fire problem. It's completely changed, you know. 1603 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:02.079 And like you said, you got a thousand gallons. You know, 1604 01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:04.159 these guys are running with like six fifty or whatever, 1605 01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:08.000 and that put that you so, so yeah, this is 1606 01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:12.000 this is about six fifty this truck. But but uh, 1607 01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:14.479 you know a thousand you're going to really make a 1608 01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:16.479 dent today. You know you got to you know, even 1609 01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:17.880 even using a master stream. 1610 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:22.159 So but if you're an engine shoa, you have to 1611 01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:25.119 have that in your like you said, you got that 1612 01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:25.680 in your head. 1613 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:30.000 Bro, you the guy my brother comes to the window, 1614 01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:31.319 and you can and you can. 1615 01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:36.199 Exactly somebody I a civilian, yeah, anybody. I'm not saying 1616 01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:37.760 you have to throw it in the window every time 1617 01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:40.279 you pull up. I'm just saying, like you have to 1618 01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:42.960 have that well because you when you're the show for 1619 01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:44.920 you have you can get there in ten seconds. 1620 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:48.000 You open it, you're up there, it's operating. 1621 01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:51.119 I used to charge the car fire the trash line 1622 01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:53.960 in the front, that small I used to charge once 1623 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.279 I got water for the guys, I would stretch that, 1624 01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:58.880 charge it and leave it right by my pump pedal. Yeah, 1625 01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:01.239 I mean unless somebody else run a line. If you 1626 01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:03.439 read you're just sitting there doing nothing. Yeah, so you 1627 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:03.960 might as well. 1628 01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:05.399 You know, and you got it. 1629 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:06.239 You got it. 1630 01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:08.880 And if something goes wrong, something that we're not expecting, 1631 01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:11.119 you've got something to handle it right there. 1632 01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:15.239 So I have no problem with that with the private, 1633 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.199 private dwelling. But I'm having an internal conflict right now. 1634 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:20.000 Can we go back to slide twenty five? 1635 01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:22.880 Most certainly. 1636 01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:25.520 We have an internal conflict. 1637 01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:30.199 Yeah, hold on, let's get that because I couldn't let 1638 01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:35.000 go let it go by without some clarification. So Gonzo 1639 01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:37.119 and this is this is not I'm not pointing at you, 1640 01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:39.640 but oh yes, you said when it's through the roof, 1641 01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:42.079 you go into an exterior operation. 1642 01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:42.640 Correct. 1643 01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:45.119 Yeah, unlet's obviously if there's a life hazard or something 1644 01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:46.439 like that, then obviously life. 1645 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:50.279 Is But my questions so on this type of build, 1646 01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:52.439 when it's a multiple dwelling like this or you know, 1647 01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:55.960 townhouse or with exposure, two is connected, maybe three is 1648 01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:59.239 connected and four is connected. I don't have a problem 1649 01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:03.119 with the X stereor through the roof, but we're still 1650 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:07.119 going to put our troops are in two and three 1651 01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:11.680 and four with hooks to at least make holes to 1652 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:15.439 see if that fire is starting to spread, and if 1653 01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:17.600 we have any indication, we're going to be calling for 1654 01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:20.520 lines on the interior to pull those ceilings and stop 1655 01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:22.279 that fire from spreading. Is that correct? 1656 01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:24.600 Yeah, it would be depending on the building construction. Remember 1657 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.920 the concrete structures that they're not really going to go anywhere. 1658 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:30.039 They may not spread that much further. Yes, it could 1659 01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:32.359 with depending on the firewall where they're building or how 1660 01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:34.319 it's laid out. Yeah, well may try to take a 1661 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:37.039 defensive stamp and keep it contained to that corner, so 1662 01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:39.439 to speak, but not put it in that area. 1663 01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:43.319 Right, But like I said, any experience I've ever had 1664 01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:45.840 with the garden apartment fire, like I said, they're not 1665 01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:49.960 it's not one unit and then fire stopping it goes 1666 01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:52.920 by Like I said, square footage, you could have three 1667 01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:56.279 or four units and then seventy five hundred square feet 1668 01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:59.680 of that ten thousand square feet. So if the fire 1669 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:02.720 is gets up in that attic or cockle off whichever, 1670 01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:05.560 you know, if it's peaked or flat, you know, and 1671 01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:10.399 now it's gonna start spreading horizontally, so you know, to me, 1672 01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:12.359 you still got to treat it like a like you 1673 01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:14.520 would have an old cockla fire you gotta get people 1674 01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:20.199 in the adjoining buildings or units and see what's going 1675 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:21.600 on there, you know, whether and if you got to 1676 01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:23.239 bring an attic ladder or whatever, you got to poke 1677 01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:25.039 a little hole, you got to take your glove off 1678 01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:27.439 and stick your hand up there. You're seeing any red, 1679 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:30.479 any smoke, you know, because I to me, I have 1680 01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:33.520 a problem. If it's just exterior, we're pushing water, you know, 1681 01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:35.720 we're trying to put this out and in the meantime, 1682 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:39.359 fire is getting into the exposure too. And four and 1683 01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:42.119 maybe three you know, if it's if they're if they're mirrored. 1684 01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:45.920 So yes, I mean, of course it's a tactical decision 1685 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:48.359 to be made on seeing whatever you're presented with. I 1686 01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:51.119 don't want to say completely know, but they if you 1687 01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:54.159 remember years ago, several months ago, City of Miami had 1688 01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:57.560 that uh it was an old building, historic building, that court. 1689 01:22:57.600 --> 01:22:58.479 Fire was up on the roof. 1690 01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.399 They went defensive and it started on will say, on 1691 01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:03.159 the second floor of a three story building. They surrounded 1692 01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:06.239 dramad with towel at us. So, depending on where they 1693 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:08.119 have the access, where they're gonna take that risk, you know, 1694 01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:09.520 risk a lot to save a lot of whole kind 1695 01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:12.399 of thing. It's not out of the question basically as 1696 01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:14.680 what I should say depending on what you're presented on scene. 1697 01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:16.439 But for the most part, we got fired through the roof. 1698 01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:19.279 Like you know we talked about before in other episodes. 1699 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:20.680 Where you know, you may not be putting people in 1700 01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:23.920 the in harm's way unnecessarily unless as a life hazard. 1701 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:26.680 I'm just adope, fine, man. But like I said of 1702 01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:29.159 being on the panel here, I couldn't let that slide 1703 01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:31.560 go and just say I'm good with the next story 1704 01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:32.239 or attack here. 1705 01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.960 You know, like I said, just put it in the window, bro, 1706 01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:36.840 put it in the window. 1707 01:23:37.159 --> 01:23:37.479 There you go. 1708 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:41.119 It's got to be the transition. 1709 01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:46.479 Right hand and say we protect life and that's a new. 1710 01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:49.920 And put it. 1711 01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:52.439 Put it on the bottom by senior dude, hit it 1712 01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:57.920 hot from the yard, baby, bullshit, bull ship go. 1713 01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:02.439 To twenty twenty seven, twenty seven. That's okay, no problem, 1714 01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:03.520 All right, this. 1715 01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:06.279 Is this is a beautiful row condos in my town. 1716 01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:12.560 Anyway. These are senior citizens housing. Okay, so built on 1717 01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.520 a slab dead end street. This is taken from the 1718 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:18.319 dead end looking back at the entrance right all right, 1719 01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:22.279 next line mm hmm, okay, this is this was them 1720 01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:25.119 under construction. So this is the end, at the opposite 1721 01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:27.600 end of what we just saw. The are the entrances, 1722 01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:28.359 and this. 1723 01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:29.159 Is the inside. 1724 01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:33.319 So Parallel would would like trust Parallel cord Woodline Trust. 1725 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:40.239 But you know, the same kind of fire protect firewall, 1726 01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.079 exactly the same as what we saw earlier. Okay, And 1727 01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:46.159 just I just want to point out something. Just go 1728 01:24:46.279 --> 01:24:47.159 back to that previously. 1729 01:24:47.600 --> 01:24:49.199 I've loved a little more professionally done. 1730 01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:53.960 Yeah yeah, yeah, and probably a lot less expensive too. 1731 01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:57.359 But I just want to point something out, perfectly legal 1732 01:24:57.439 --> 01:24:58.560 in the code where I live. 1733 01:24:59.680 --> 01:24:59.960 All Right. 1734 01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:02.640 You see the on the picture on the right up 1735 01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:04.520 on top, you see those yellow. 1736 01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:09.199 You know what those are? Those gas pipes. 1737 01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:14.920 Yep, that's legal pecks. Yeah, whatever it's called. 1738 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:17.079 Right, pet is a new Copper. 1739 01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:24.920 This is a Senior Citizens complex. Yeah, I'm just saying 1740 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:26.199 what could possibly go wrong? 1741 01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:26.439 Right? 1742 01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:30.840 So, uh So, anyway, this is why when these things 1743 01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:31.479 are going off. 1744 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:36.359 From nothing small gas, don't worry about it. Don't worry 1745 01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:43.399 about Grandma, go back to sleepy about it. 1746 01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:44.239 Yeah. 1747 01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:48.520 Mention like if you go back to Edgewater and even 1748 01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:51.560 this this could be the whole building could be sprinkled. 1749 01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:57.239 But you know, what they don't sprinkles. Yeah, it looks 1750 01:25:57.279 --> 01:25:59.920 like Edgewater where it started. If it starts in a plan, 1751 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:03.119 it's got a pretty good head start because it could 1752 01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:05.039 be running one side to the other before it even 1753 01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:08.800 shows itself, yep. And you know, the text could be 1754 01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:13.600 melting as it's gas fed. So until they start sprinkling 1755 01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:16.159 those dead spaces, which is never gonna happen. 1756 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:19.239 Yeah, And I think the engineers thought that, you know, 1757 01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:23.600 the architects thought that, you know, sprinkling the buildings would 1758 01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:24.600 would be the solution. 1759 01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:27.199 And it certainly is a big. 1760 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:30.880 Improvement because statistically most of the fires are gonna are 1761 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:34.680 gonna be handled by the sprinkle system of its operating 1762 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:35.520 correctly and. 1763 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:36.399 It's in service. 1764 01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:39.800 But this still creates a problem once no matter whether 1765 01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:42.960 it's the fire burns into these spaces or the fire 1766 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:48.279 starts these spaces, it's a huge problem because now it's 1767 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:51.239 very hard for any fire department to get ahead. 1768 01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:54.359 Of it, you know, until it just goes to whatever 1769 01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:57.079 the end of the compartmentation is. 1770 01:26:57.159 --> 01:26:58.760 You know that that that's it until it gets to 1771 01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.840 the fire walls and then and then it's you know, 1772 01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:03.560 it'll burn until it gets so. 1773 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:06.640 Hey, cap, what have you had any fires or heard 1774 01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:11.560 of any fires where the fire reached these these pipes 1775 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:13.840 and you know, and then it turned into a gas 1776 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:14.359 fed thing. 1777 01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:17.520 Like I don't I don't think they've had anything in 1778 01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:18.319 this development. 1779 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:24.000 It's well maintained except for ems runs obviously, so don't 1780 01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:25.960 even get in there that often. But we we did 1781 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.319 get a full walk through when it was built, you know, 1782 01:27:28.439 --> 01:27:32.920 twenty twenty five years ago. But again it's still there. 1783 01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:39.319 It's still an active you know, it'll sleeping yep, and 1784 01:27:39.439 --> 01:27:41.960 hopefully nobody has a problem with it, you know, but. 1785 01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:44.520 Thank god, is that something that you guys and you 1786 01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:46.560 guys are dealing with plastic gas lines? 1787 01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:50.439 Well that was everything that they are running now is plastic. 1788 01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:52.239 We have natural gas that comes from the city and 1789 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:54.840 some six inch pipes they drop them down to. 1790 01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:57.000 The gas lines in the street of plastic. 1791 01:27:57.079 --> 01:27:58.279 Now, yeah, that's what it is. 1792 01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:00.840 To plastic up. 1793 01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:03.720 Were running gas lines like crazy, becuse they're widening roads 1794 01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:04.560 and doing all that ship. 1795 01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:05.960 And staying like if we had a fire and the 1796 01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:07.920 fire got in there and it melted that, now you 1797 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.600 got it. I guess fed fire. 1798 01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:13.640 You know, what about if you're hook in the ceilings. 1799 01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:15.399 And you pull. 1800 01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:18.800 Part of the three sixty is for us the hit utilities, 1801 01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:20.119 and that's part of it. So if we see gas, 1802 01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:21.560 whatever it is, everything's getting shut off. 1803 01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:23.159 Yeah, that's exactly it. 1804 01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:24.880 If I'm staying, if the fire is going, you're not, 1805 01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:26.600 You're not. That's not your first Uh. 1806 01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:29.800 You know, you've got three people showing up to fire gases, 1807 01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.800 probably not the Yeah, send two guys down to the 1808 01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:34.359 basement to take care of the gas. 1809 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:40.840 Not only is this one the one the driver. We'll 1810 01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:45.800 be right there, lady. The jet plane over there, We'll 1811 01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:46.479 get to that in a minute. 1812 01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:50.760 Okay, next one. I just wanted to show what was 1813 01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:52.840 was out there, at least what I was aware of. 1814 01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:57.359 Yeah, just another development again, man, you could That's exactly 1815 01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.439 what we were doing here. I was tolling the towel 1816 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:01.399 at around here with a with a student, you know. 1817 01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:05.159 And uh and uh, you know, wide open right looks great. 1818 01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:07.359 Not at night. 1819 01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:11.359 You ain't getting close to. 1820 01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:15.920 Every one of those spots. Yeah, every one of those 1821 01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:19.640 spots is taken at night, you know. Yeah, And this 1822 01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:23.479 is an interesting set of buildings whereas they have firewalls, Uh, 1823 01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:26.239 they go up the interior and they are on the 1824 01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:29.039 under they stop at the underside of the roof boards, 1825 01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:32.159 and they were they were pretty well installed. But I 1826 01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:35.319 don't know if anybody has had any experience with fire 1827 01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:39.960 resistive plywood. They all over the top of these things. 1828 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:44.279 They all have five resisted plywood over the over the firewalls. 1829 01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:46.920 You know what that stuff is like when it gets 1830 01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:51.000 when it gets old, gets very brittle. You can actually 1831 01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:54.279 we had one of our guys step through it. My goodness, 1832 01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:56.760 it didn't go through it. He stepped into it and 1833 01:29:57.039 --> 01:30:01.760 you know, yeah, and it it wasn't really burning underneath him, 1834 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:02.000 you know. 1835 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:03.760 So that was a long time ago. 1836 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:06.640 But still, you know, there's all sorts of hazards out 1837 01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:09.880 there that you you know, I'm sure there's plenty that 1838 01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:12.119 I don't know about, you know, but there these are 1839 01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:13.359 the ones that I can pascel on. 1840 01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:13.680 You know. 1841 01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:16.359 Us try to get us. 1842 01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:21.840 Try to move through a few at ease and get through, 1843 01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:24.479 just keep going. These are all these are all those 1844 01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:29.680 were old legacy very well, but all right, and this 1845 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:31.119 is what we're doing. This is one of my favorite 1846 01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:33.640 slides because it shows that that gun evolution that we 1847 01:30:33.680 --> 01:30:36.319 saw early and we talked about, plus flanking the other 1848 01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:40.039 side or somewhere else with a portable master stream, which 1849 01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:41.159 is very popular today. 1850 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:43.960 One or two guys can get this thing into operation. 1851 01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:46.439 It's not like the like years ago, even the Multiversal 1852 01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:50.119 that they currently use today, or the Stang like we 1853 01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:51.720 used when we got when I got on a job, 1854 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:53.680 I think was a monster. It was a beautiful deck guy, 1855 01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:56.199 but it was like, you know, it was super heavy. 1856 01:30:56.199 --> 01:30:58.039 It was like one hundred and something pounds taking. 1857 01:30:57.840 --> 01:30:58.439 It off the rig. 1858 01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:01.760 Say that the blitz fire, Well, the blitz line we 1859 01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:04.159 haven't purposely set up for that type of quick operation. 1860 01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:04.960 Yeah, exactly. 1861 01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:08.239 I wanted one three inch line feeding it and you're 1862 01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:10.680 and you're flowing five hundred gallons a minute, so that's 1863 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:14.079 a significant amount of water. And there's a lot you 1864 01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:15.119 can do with it. You know, there's a lot of 1865 01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:16.920 different scenarios and a lot of different building. 1866 01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:17.760 This is a video. 1867 01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:19.520 I couldn't get it to play because I sent this 1868 01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:21.800 to you as a PDF. But there's a great video. 1869 01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:22.960 This is it online. 1870 01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:27.239 It shows if you if you Google on YouTube, or 1871 01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:29.000 if you go on YouTube and you search for a 1872 01:31:29.079 --> 01:31:32.279 fire department deck gun or master stream, this will generally 1873 01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:35.520 pop up and they knock this fire on the left 1874 01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:39.640 down in in like thirty seconds with tank water. The 1875 01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:43.359 hydrants maybe fifty feet away and they get water and 1876 01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:45.720 then you know, they get they never run out of water. 1877 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:48.560 It's a very well timed operation. I think they got lucky. 1878 01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:51.199 But they also did a very good job, in my opinion, 1879 01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:54.840 knocking down an impressive amount of fire very fast. You know, 1880 01:31:55.439 --> 01:31:58.079 so next lie, all right, next one, next one? 1881 01:31:58.319 --> 01:31:58.640 All right? 1882 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:00.680 Good, same thing in a kind of what we were 1883 01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:05.399 talking about before. You know, you got an issue when 1884 01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:06.600 the chiefs got the line. 1885 01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:11.720 With the word you're getting ready to hit the te 1886 01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:18.720 hidden hard. That looks like you know, I we all 1887 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:19.479 we all have the. 1888 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:23.119 We all talk about these are legacy apartments. 1889 01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:23.479 Uh. 1890 01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:25.439 I don't know if they trust or not. I would 1891 01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:26.479 tend to think maybe not. 1892 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:30.600 But but anyway, there's a point where you got to 1893 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:33.920 make a decision, right whether it's a room and contents 1894 01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:37.560 fire or a structural fire. And you know, I think this, 1895 01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:39.279 I would give a shot. You know this is this 1896 01:32:39.439 --> 01:32:43.079 is definitely what I would take. But you know that 1897 01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:45.840 we also have we also have a saying that there's 1898 01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:49.399 no routine fires, which is absolutely true. Right, you can 1899 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:52.359 get hurt, but I am going to make a statement 1900 01:32:52.479 --> 01:32:54.600 which are probably a lot of people will not agree with. 1901 01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:59.720 If there is a ground ball, a ground ball in 1902 01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:01.800 fire fighting, this is it. 1903 01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:05.560 Second, three guys that are around with that ladder on the. 1904 01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:13.720 Already already it's all involved. 1905 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:18.840 Involved is taking that house line and bringing it up 1906 01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:22.880 a flight of stairs, turning around and putting the front 1907 01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:25.720 room app toward two rooms, depending on what it is, 1908 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:31.159 probably one room, but again one room in whether it's 1909 01:33:31.159 --> 01:33:33.119 a private dwelling or building like this. 1910 01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:34.840 And you're there in a timely. 1911 01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:37.840 Fish and that should be a pretty if you if 1912 01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:41.159 your department is going to struggle with this, you've got 1913 01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:41.920 a lot of work to do. 1914 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:43.960 You know, this should be pretty forward. 1915 01:33:44.039 --> 01:33:45.960 You know that coral springs. 1916 01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:55.439 That's actually get in there. They're addressing the exposure. They 1917 01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:58.159 got portable ladders going up, and they got the first 1918 01:33:58.199 --> 01:33:59.159 hand line ready to go. 1919 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:01.279 I don't know what happens after this. I mean, this 1920 01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:09.159 is all I have. This is very in my opinion, 1921 01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:10.560 this is very managing. 1922 01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:16.399 Yeah, mister George, how much did you pay for the 1923 01:34:16.439 --> 01:34:17.279 new guy? No? 1924 01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:17.640 Good? 1925 01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:18.319 Too much? 1926 01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:21.840 San Francisco. 1927 01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:24.079 I'm guessing you should be thinking about a lot of 1928 01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:27.520 class lat of placement and a ladder throwing that's putting 1929 01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:27.840 the line. 1930 01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:33.319 We do that, yep, yeah, no, absolutely, I mean as 1931 01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:36.359 far as you know the technique and all that, I'm 1932 01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:38.960 kind of like not going there on that last. 1933 01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:41.119 Picture for the aerial guys watching which way you're rolling 1934 01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:42.920 in with the rig to get a good set up. 1935 01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:47.039 Let's think about that. Yeah, yeah, I mean because of 1936 01:34:47.079 --> 01:34:48.399 the hills, I'm going by the incline. 1937 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:52.680 Oh yeah, yeah. How about how about throwing portable at 1938 01:34:52.800 --> 01:35:00.239 us on that you know, I mean they were what 1939 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:03.319 they do out west on US in San Francisco is 1940 01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:05.840 they have a wedge or it's almost like a little 1941 01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:06.960 mini step shock. 1942 01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:08.840 Right at bottom. 1943 01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:11.399 I ended a training by an officer from San Francisco 1944 01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:13.840 many years ago, and he was talking about that. It 1945 01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:16.199 was very informative because in my area we don't have 1946 01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:18.880 much of that, and even in New York certain areas 1947 01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:19.720 have quite a bit of it. 1948 01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:21.439 But a lot of areas. 1949 01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:25.560 You throw a ladder it's pretty much on close to 1950 01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:28.960 the level ground. But they're areas of the country that 1951 01:35:29.239 --> 01:35:31.239 is a big that every Fiday. 1952 01:35:31.319 --> 01:35:34.960 God is like that, you know that would yeah, yeah, 1953 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:37.960 it's already tough doing that going up three flights or something. 1954 01:35:37.760 --> 01:35:42.119 You know, like some comes comes by kicks the chock out. 1955 01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:49.960 That guy. It's always going to be that guy. 1956 01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:52.520 Yeah, you know, I just want to be clear. 1957 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.399 I don't I'm not advocating. I don't like seeing deck 1958 01:35:55.479 --> 01:35:59.920 guns and towel ladders you know, used on private dwellings. 1959 01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:02.359 You know, I mean, I think you know you've declared 1960 01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:06.359 it a loss before you even started. But there are times, 1961 01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:09.239 like we just mentioned, that should not be the routine. 1962 01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:12.640 You know, the routine should be, as we said in 1963 01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:16.640 the first slide, is a properly placed hand line, you know, 1964 01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:18.920 generally through the front door, and that's how we're going 1965 01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:22.439 to handle the majority. But occasionally you get these structures 1966 01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:24.600 and they're larger in a private dwelling. 1967 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:25.359 You know that that. 1968 01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:29.279 Require different tactics. And again that's why we have a toolbox, 1969 01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:31.640 you know. That's why we have all these tactics and 1970 01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:34.760 all this equipment. You know, and you're going to know 1971 01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:36.600 when to use what. 1972 01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:40.760 You know, so master streams which we have right so 1973 01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:43.079 just yeah, you keep going. 1974 01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:46.279 Uh yeah, just uh, just you got to get out 1975 01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:49.119 and practice with this stuff, like the guys were talking earlier. 1976 01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:53.479 Uh and and just know how to be proficient, you know, 1977 01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:56.880 so like this is going to bother me. 1978 01:36:58.760 --> 01:36:59.800 Yeah, that's why I put it. 1979 01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:06.359 Really, this is truly fifteen guys on the roof, it 1980 01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:06.920 would be worse. 1981 01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:08.880 That would be the only thing that. 1982 01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:09.720 Could be worse. 1983 01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:13.479 The roof, six guys on the roof and a guy 1984 01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:15.600 with a master stream in the parking lot. 1985 01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:20.960 Twenty feet away too, in the lot. 1986 01:37:21.079 --> 01:37:23.119 Yeah, he's just he's actually simulating rain. 1987 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:27.720 Yeah, the roof is going to do exactly what it 1988 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:29.880 was designed to do. Is I think Chief Done said, 1989 01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:30.159 you know. 1990 01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:33.399 It's going to keep the water out except that that's great. 1991 01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:38.359 Yeah, but that's again I put that picture in there 1992 01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:41.880 just for conversation that you know, we discussing, and it's 1993 01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:46.399 it's it's one of those things where different things happen 1994 01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:48.880 in different areas of the country, even within the same deplotment, 1995 01:37:49.119 --> 01:37:51.800 even within the same company. We've all rolled out without 1996 01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:54.039 the A team, We've all rolled out, you know, with 1997 01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:56.680 the B or the C team, and uh, you know, 1998 01:37:56.920 --> 01:37:59.079 things are pretty Every company I know has had a 1999 01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:04.760 bad day, everyone absolutely so. But you want to try 2000 01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:07.319 to eliminate, you know, eliminate the possibility of that as 2001 01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:10.079 much as possible. You want to have try to try 2002 01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:12.439 to have your people trained as much as possible. I mean, 2003 01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:15.000 you know, and I think like when you see things, 2004 01:38:15.159 --> 01:38:16.680 you know, getting not to get off the subject, but 2005 01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:19.279 you see things like in New York where a prob 2006 01:38:19.479 --> 01:38:23.119 makes a roof rope rescue, you're training your guys pretty good. 2007 01:38:23.159 --> 01:38:24.039 If somebody will do that. 2008 01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:26.600 Somebody can come out of proby school and make a 2009 01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:28.479 roof rope rescue, you're doing. 2010 01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:30.479 Something that was a nice look for the FDNY man. 2011 01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:30.920 Yeah. 2012 01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:35.359 Yeah, so again again same thing. 2013 01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:38.039 You know, poort infrom the outside, but in this case, 2014 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:41.840 this is an extensive fire. But again, you know, I 2015 01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:44.520 think ideally we want to be in there with a 2016 01:38:44.600 --> 01:38:47.720 hand line. You can't tell enough from picture like this 2017 01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:50.720 as to what's going on, how long it took, what 2018 01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:54.840 the resources were on scene. But again, you know, generally, 2019 01:38:55.439 --> 01:38:57.479 if we can, we want to do an aggressive interior 2020 01:38:57.520 --> 01:38:59.520 attack and then once we go to go to a 2021 01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:01.520 defense of operation, you want to do kind of what 2022 01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:04.880 you see these guys here doing is protecting the exposure 2023 01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:07.199 and basically we've given up the fire building at that point. 2024 01:39:07.640 --> 01:39:10.960 Basically, Yeah, Procaccini said he rolled out with the Z team. 2025 01:39:16.359 --> 01:39:18.039 Is he the leader of the team. 2026 01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:21.159 Way they were thinking. 2027 01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:24.199 I know, in other areas of. 2028 01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:26.680 The country, right, it's a shift B, shift C shift, 2029 01:39:29.520 --> 01:39:32.159 and there's always an one of them is always screwing 2030 01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:32.960 up as something you. 2031 01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:36.239 Know it's and the other guys are always yeah, but 2032 01:39:36.319 --> 01:39:37.399 again what a structure. 2033 01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:39.920 But for going back, you know, generally we want to 2034 01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:42.640 try to at least in my opinion, try to try 2035 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:45.199 to make an aggressive interior attack when it's warranted, when 2036 01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:47.199 it's needed. But again, there are going to be times 2037 01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:48.560 where you got to go to big water where we've 2038 01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:50.560 got to go defensive or we got to get and 2039 01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:55.319 this is this is a training issue. Also is being 2040 01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:58.439 able to use your equipment. You know, we don't flow 2041 01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:02.840 water as missed know, we don't flow master streams very often. 2042 01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:08.159 And uh, I've seen where departments have you know, not 2043 01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:10.359 been too quick to get it to get water out 2044 01:40:10.359 --> 01:40:11.640 of the end of I think there's a bunch of 2045 01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:14.640 online you know, there's there's. 2046 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:17.680 One amazing way you can find online. Actually it's not 2047 01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:20.439 good amazing that guys actually post some of the ship 2048 01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:22.239 that they I know. 2049 01:40:22.640 --> 01:40:24.720 I know what kills me with some of the masters streams, 2050 01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:27.600 especially with the aerial devices is that's fully extended as 2051 01:40:27.680 --> 01:40:29.640 high as up they can get it, not even anywhere 2052 01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:31.199 close near the fire. So by the time it gets 2053 01:40:31.239 --> 01:40:32.039 to the fire, it's broken. 2054 01:40:32.079 --> 01:40:36.000 And you know, I don't understand that. It's not really 2055 01:40:36.079 --> 01:40:36.479 that hard. 2056 01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:39.840 But the thing in the window as close as you can, man, 2057 01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:40.159 come on. 2058 01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:44.159 Exactly, but it is what it is. But like I 2059 01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:45.560 said that on the. 2060 01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:48.760 Very expensive. 2061 01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:52.800 But again, you know, limited access, you got to take 2062 01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:55.479 the spot that you can get. Be aggressive, you know, 2063 01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:57.800 like Louis you had great Chauffas in one O three, 2064 01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:00.479 one of the best companies I ever saw far as 2065 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:03.960 uh as far as getting an aggressive position, getting a 2066 01:41:04.039 --> 01:41:06.359 spot where you go, wow, I can't believe they got 2067 01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:08.359 that there, you know, and I mean all of the 2068 01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:10.199 companies that I worked in, as far as a lot 2069 01:41:10.239 --> 01:41:12.199 of companies the Chauffas were all. 2070 01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:15.960 So that doesn't happen sitting in the sitting in the 2071 01:41:16.039 --> 01:41:16.720 barcle lounge. 2072 01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:18.640 All right, you got to get out, you got you 2073 01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:20.760 gotta spot your rigs, you gotta get off, you gotta 2074 01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:22.920 set them up, and you got to do it repetitively, 2075 01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:25.680 over and over again, so you get very comfortable and 2076 01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:27.760 very proficient and. 2077 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:30.960 Yeah, exactly, and you gotta know. 2078 01:41:31.319 --> 01:41:34.439 I mean, you see some guys put these things into 2079 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:36.720 spots and you go, wow, how the heck did he 2080 01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:36.960 get it? 2081 01:41:37.479 --> 01:41:39.000 There was a job up in the Bronx when they 2082 01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:41.920 lost all those people, right, we were talking about some 2083 01:41:42.039 --> 01:41:43.039 of those guys back. 2084 01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:48.159 Incredible spots right that you. 2085 01:41:48.279 --> 01:41:50.720 Normally don't see guys do with a re amount. But 2086 01:41:50.840 --> 01:41:54.279 when you're trying to maximize the height, if you the 2087 01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:56.800 closer you can get the turntable to the building, the 2088 01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:01.119 higher it's I remember, I remember, but Dennis Conway one 2089 01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:03.880 day with one eleven so it's only a seventy five 2090 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:07.760 foot ladder and a project we used to go to, 2091 01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:10.760 not a high low project, but it was like seven eight. 2092 01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:12.039 Story, yeah, eight stories. 2093 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:15.000 He put the thing in the entrance way you could 2094 01:42:15.039 --> 01:42:16.159 hardly get by to get. 2095 01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:18.199 In and out of the entrance. He put the jack 2096 01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:22.159 down through the doorway, through the front doorway of the 2097 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:25.199 building and set it up and got this guy who 2098 01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:26.119 was about to jump. 2099 01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:26.880 Wow. 2100 01:42:27.119 --> 01:42:28.680 Never would have thought to be. 2101 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:33.920 I mean, a towerl ladder on the sidewalk directly in 2102 01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:37.760 front of the entrance, tower jack down through the front door. 2103 01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:40.199 And got this guy. 2104 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:41.760 That's okat, I heard it. 2105 01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:44.279 I heard a story one O three. We had projects 2106 01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:47.840 that were like you had to walk down like ten steps. 2107 01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:49.880 Then there was a little platform and ten steps right 2108 01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:52.720 into the back of the projects, right, and they had 2109 01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:56.159 you know, initially the rig was out outside, right, They 2110 01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:58.359 wouldn't never have the rig there to take the ladders. 2111 01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:01.039 But they get a report that they'sbody hanging out the window. 2112 01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:04.600 The chauffeur goes down the steps with the rig, takes 2113 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:07.920 out the takes out the railing, which ends up pulling 2114 01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:11.159 everything out the exhaust from underneath. The truck gets it 2115 01:43:11.279 --> 01:43:14.399 in position and gets the guy out of the out 2116 01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:16.640 of the thing, and then but the rig they had 2117 01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:18.479 to get like a tow truck to get it up 2118 01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:20.560 out of the But I'm I'm. 2119 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:22.159 Pretty sure I was at that t I was in 2120 01:43:22.279 --> 01:43:25.159 rescue too, is that right. We all came out of 2121 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:28.520 the building and we were like, Holy ship. I didn't 2122 01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:29.640 think a cruck. 2123 01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:29.880 Could do that. 2124 01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:35.359 Probably didn't go over well, but uh, you know, you gotta. 2125 01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:36.720 Gut it right up to the building. I mean in 2126 01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:41.119 a place that I wouldn't even Yeah, but that's got 2127 01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:44.039 you know, guys that know their stuff know their stuff. 2128 01:43:44.119 --> 01:43:46.119 I mean, it's as simple as that they're gonna they're 2129 01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:46.880 gonna be able. 2130 01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:47.439 To pull that off. 2131 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:49.720 You know that happened tonight. 2132 01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:52.760 If somebody did that with your one of your rigs, 2133 01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:58.760 what would happen? Like legitly, I'm asking, like you're muted, 2134 01:43:58.760 --> 01:43:59.239 you're muted. 2135 01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:03.119 Sorry to make a to creating damage to make a 2136 01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:06.159 rescue or something like that, Yes, but to make a rescue, 2137 01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:06.880 to make. 2138 01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:08.600 A rescue, I don't think there'd be any problems. You 2139 01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:09.520 had to do what you had to do. 2140 01:44:09.640 --> 01:44:12.479 But if somebody was carelessly, obviously it's a whole nother story. 2141 01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:14.159 Just you know, you just did it to do it, 2142 01:44:14.199 --> 01:44:14.800 then there's a problem. 2143 01:44:14.840 --> 01:44:16.920 Oh then Gonzo takes out the red pen and look 2144 01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:17.159 at me. 2145 01:44:17.239 --> 01:44:18.439 I'm going I'm looking the other way. I'm like. 2146 01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:22.319 A spray. 2147 01:44:23.239 --> 01:44:26.000 If Steve was catching all that grief because he he 2148 01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:28.239 told the guy to put the area the aerial through 2149 01:44:28.279 --> 01:44:31.279 the wind vent the roof the cock lid he was fed, 2150 01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:34.359 then through the interior to vent cock loof. 2151 01:44:35.800 --> 01:44:37.039 Guys were jumping all over them. 2152 01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:39.840 Oh, they couldn't get to the cock loft for this building. 2153 01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:42.359 And my brother told the one twenty eight truck, take 2154 01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:46.520 your aeriel and plunge it through the holes poke some 2155 01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:49.000 holes in on a cock cloth and they could spray 2156 01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:51.479 water in it and they put the fire out. But they, 2157 01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:54.279 oh my god, guys who were up in arms ruined 2158 01:44:54.359 --> 01:44:58.000 the perfect, perfectly good ladder. Yeah yeah, change over the way. 2159 01:44:58.399 --> 01:44:59.760 I'm like, you guys kidding me. 2160 01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:03.880 That's customery for you guys, tool bag space. 2161 01:45:06.720 --> 01:45:08.399 He's just saying, Hank, what do you go? 2162 01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:10.359 You say something? 2163 01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:13.960 Make it like before you couldn't let it go. I 2164 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:15.920 couldn't let it come, Let it go. We'll go back 2165 01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:16.920 to it if you have to. 2166 01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:20.039 You know, you know where you don't put a u 2167 01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:23.479 an area ladder or a towel ladder on the sidewalk, 2168 01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:29.119 or the outriggers on the sidewalk. Yeah, when you're why, 2169 01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:35.079 because the sidewalk in the old days had the dead 2170 01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:39.000 lights to put light down in the basement, you know, 2171 01:45:39.079 --> 01:45:41.039 so it might be tarred over now with something, but 2172 01:45:41.159 --> 01:45:43.279 all it is is glass glass, dead lights. 2173 01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:44.880 And if you put your. 2174 01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:46.800 Outrigger or you try to drive on, if you're gonna 2175 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:49.640 end up with your your rig leaning into the building. 2176 01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:53.560 And just trapped a little nugget. Hank just dropped a 2177 01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:58.239 little information, mister George, how much you pay for the 2178 01:45:58.640 --> 01:45:59.439 for the new guy. 2179 01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:05.319 Too much, too much, and it's a it's another places too. 2180 01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:07.640 I mean, I'm just glad that the internet worked there 2181 01:46:07.680 --> 01:46:09.239 because I'm still here and only half. 2182 01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:12.479 Of what that is. I'm like, it's awfully quiet, man, 2183 01:46:12.479 --> 01:46:13.319 I don't know what's going on. 2184 01:46:14.319 --> 01:46:17.399 I was gonna I was gonna start sign language, you 2185 01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:19.239 know what, I should put my hand up every time. 2186 01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:20.439 Then I can't hear you. 2187 01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:25.039 We'll do this area. 2188 01:46:25.159 --> 01:46:26.319 Look, this is the area. 2189 01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:32.840 Wine. 2190 01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:37.960 My internet will be much better when I moved to market. 2191 01:46:39.159 --> 01:46:41.560 Okay, I can't wait to stay over that house. 2192 01:46:41.399 --> 01:46:44.760 Because I tell you tonight, it's been very frustrating because 2193 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:45.520 of my internet. 2194 01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:48.000 That's all right, we still love you. We just thought 2195 01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:49.199 you're a little quiet mood tonight. 2196 01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:51.800 That's all so quiet mood. 2197 01:46:54.520 --> 01:47:01.720 Really really have about I think, uh six slide. I look, well, 2198 01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:02.920 it's just it's just a. 2199 01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:07.800 It's a good picture of showing the space limitations in 2200 01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:10.159 a parking lot. Again, think of this if it was 2201 01:47:10.199 --> 01:47:13.600 at night and everybody's home, right, and you know your 2202 01:47:13.640 --> 01:47:18.039 apparatus placement, trying to maximize your truck positioning, and then 2203 01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:21.560 you know getting effective, you know, getting the line stretched, 2204 01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:25.000 getting the truck placed, getting getting lighters up, you know, 2205 01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:27.159 all the tasks that we normally have to perform. 2206 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:29.680 It's a little limited now. It's you know, it can 2207 01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:30.479 get constrained. 2208 01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:33.079 And that last slide and the same thing was was, uh, 2209 01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:35.479 you know, you're just gonna have to be able to 2210 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:37.920 be flexible in how you get your spots. 2211 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:38.159 You know. 2212 01:47:38.680 --> 01:47:43.000 So so a good chauffeur and gold always has been, 2213 01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:44.159 always has been. 2214 01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:47.560 Unsung here on. I mean you get the guy in there, mad. 2215 01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:52.600 Yeah, yeah, and we all see everybody's got some like 2216 01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:55.079 this right where there is no spot. You know, it's 2217 01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:56.640 either putting on the long beach. 2218 01:47:56.560 --> 01:47:57.960 It or or. 2219 01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:01.960 Or and you know that's going to happen. 2220 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:04.760 You know, you know if I if I did that, 2221 01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:06.800 you know what would be right under the rig would 2222 01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:08.119 be like a sump or something. 2223 01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:15.520 Ship beach it. 2224 01:48:18.520 --> 01:48:21.560 Ah, that's a good one shirt. 2225 01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:22.319 That's a good shirt. 2226 01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:25.359 As my friend Bobby Graby used to say Jethrow from 2227 01:48:25.399 --> 01:48:26.520 two fourteen. 2228 01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:27.479 The knob is the job. 2229 01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:28.159 That's it. 2230 01:48:28.520 --> 01:48:32.000 The knob is the job that sounds like another shirt. 2231 01:48:32.359 --> 01:48:34.760 You gotta have the knob. You gotta be working that day. 2232 01:48:35.239 --> 01:48:37.319 You gotta do. If you do that, you got to 2233 01:48:37.359 --> 01:48:38.680 put his name on a Jethrow. 2234 01:48:38.800 --> 01:48:39.520 That's what Jethro. 2235 01:48:39.680 --> 01:48:40.600 The knob is the job. 2236 01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:43.399 Nob is the job death Row says, the knob is 2237 01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:45.159 the job exactly. 2238 01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:49.239 Yeah, this is a building under construction. 2239 01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:55.239 But again we had you know, Hank Hank talked about 2240 01:48:55.479 --> 01:48:58.720 a while ago about the hazards of this. And you 2241 01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:01.520 know we both worked in construction safety fire safety for 2242 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:05.000 for a while after we retired. And these buildings are 2243 01:49:05.039 --> 01:49:07.239 built to burn. And be very careful with these because 2244 01:49:07.279 --> 01:49:10.279 none of the fire protection systems are in the compartmentation 2245 01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:14.039 very often isn't complete. Uh and uh they're a lumber yard. 2246 01:49:14.079 --> 01:49:15.680 You know, there's a ton of fuel. You know, you 2247 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:18.079 get a windy night like something like this, forget it. 2248 01:49:18.199 --> 01:49:19.079 You know, you can't. 2249 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:20.640 You couldn't get out of there fast enough. 2250 01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:24.159 Flagragation. I would say that wrong, but anyway I might. 2251 01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:26.000 I might not be a brain surgeon. But I think 2252 01:49:26.039 --> 01:49:28.520 these guys are pointing the road direction the other way. 2253 01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:33.239 Nothing worry about across the street. Now. 2254 01:49:33.319 --> 01:49:36.239 At least they at least they got over there. 2255 01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:37.079 Somebody picked me up. 2256 01:49:37.560 --> 01:49:38.279 At least they got. 2257 01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:40.039 Porta parties in front of case they gotta go. 2258 01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:44.600 It looks like yeah, yeah, they gotta look at who 2259 01:49:44.680 --> 01:49:45.000 said that. 2260 01:49:47.479 --> 01:49:47.680 Tom. 2261 01:49:48.000 --> 01:49:50.600 Tom Brennan used to have a saying like when things 2262 01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:53.039 really went bad, we lost the whole block or something. 2263 01:49:53.079 --> 01:49:54.600 He used to say, thank God. 2264 01:49:54.560 --> 01:49:55.800 For streets. 2265 01:49:57.000 --> 01:50:00.159 Because you know they're they're a natural fire break, you know, 2266 01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:04.560 or or you know what, if we hadn't shown up, 2267 01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:07.359 if we had never come here, the outcome would have 2268 01:50:07.399 --> 01:50:08.359 been exactly. 2269 01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:16.960 This is what happened faster, would have happened faster. 2270 01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:23.399 So again, this is occupy. Wow, that sedge water and 2271 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:24.479 that I don't I don't remember. 2272 01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:25.159 I get a look back. 2273 01:50:26.920 --> 01:50:28.439 That's a long night. 2274 01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:31.760 That's a couple of that's a couple of names. 2275 01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:34.880 That's that's get relieved, and somebody else comes out. 2276 01:50:36.680 --> 01:50:39.880 Espresso and regular coffee coming up over. 2277 01:50:39.800 --> 01:50:42.760 The where's the Red Cross truck? 2278 01:50:42.920 --> 01:50:44.760 You know exactly? 2279 01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:47.119 And okay, certain, yeah, And. 2280 01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:51.920 That's funny podium building we were talking about before. So 2281 01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:54.439 just be aware, you know, it's a it's a lumber yard. 2282 01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:55.960 You know, I'm looking at this one going up. 2283 01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:56.720 And I have one. 2284 01:50:56.760 --> 01:50:59.079 You have them on the residential side too, from you see, 2285 01:50:59.560 --> 01:51:00.840 just a little both there. 2286 01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:04.359 Just another little nugget could before we get too far 2287 01:51:04.439 --> 01:51:08.840 away in don't assume that all garden apartments are built 2288 01:51:08.920 --> 01:51:12.399 on slabs. Because I've had some older garden apartment fires 2289 01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:16.840 where this they've had a partial basement. You know, there's 2290 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:19.079 just there'll be cement stairs going down a little well 2291 01:51:19.159 --> 01:51:21.880 and there's a door, and it might be a room 2292 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:25.000 that's thirty by thirty for you know, where they store 2293 01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:27.640 everything for the building and maintenance. And we've actually had 2294 01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:30.560 a fire in there, and you could be you know, 2295 01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:33.680 they're calling for smoke in the you know, for the 2296 01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:38.319 first floor apartment on the other side, so you know, 2297 01:51:38.439 --> 01:51:40.479 you could you could get full thinking, well, you know, 2298 01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:43.800 there's there's no basement here. You know, if you're getting 2299 01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:45.760 smoke on that first floor level, it looks like it's 2300 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:47.640 coming from the floor. You got to make sure you 2301 01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:50.119 do a full perimeter search there because you might find 2302 01:51:50.159 --> 01:51:52.800 a partial basement in some of those older and it 2303 01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:55.159 could be a new one too. I've only had them 2304 01:51:55.199 --> 01:51:56.119 in the older ones. 2305 01:51:57.199 --> 01:51:59.800 Me to this, this is an old bit. I've seen this. 2306 01:52:02.159 --> 01:52:03.119 This is from Texas. 2307 01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:06.159 You know, I was gonna play it, but I don't 2308 01:52:06.159 --> 01:52:08.199 want to get a copywriter because I could pull it up. 2309 01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:11.079 But don't even don't even bother. 2310 01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:14.279 Great great fire, nice job with the fire department getting 2311 01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:15.560 their aerial into into place. 2312 01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:17.880 This this construction work. I don't know if you see 2313 01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:18.520 it on the right hand. 2314 01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:20.439 So he's on the right here on the balcony. 2315 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:24.199 On the balcony, he was on the balcony above and 2316 01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:28.560 lowered himself down and swung in. You know, he probably 2317 01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:31.760 could walk. He probably it looks like there's no fire 2318 01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:34.880 on that floor. He probably could walk to the staircase 2319 01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:35.880 and walk out of this thing. 2320 01:52:35.960 --> 01:52:37.000 At this point, you know he was. 2321 01:52:37.079 --> 01:52:39.840 He was so panic stricken in the video from the beginning. 2322 01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:42.159 Can you can you imagine? 2323 01:52:42.319 --> 01:52:42.479 You know? 2324 01:52:42.840 --> 01:52:46.520 And I'm on the swinging underneath you. 2325 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:47.840 You ain't out when your. 2326 01:52:54.439 --> 01:52:56.039 All of these denis. 2327 01:52:56.479 --> 01:52:59.439 Where were the construction site fire safety managers for this one? 2328 01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:00.920 There is no such thing. 2329 01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:04.000 They don't have texas. 2330 01:53:04.199 --> 01:53:05.680 The only reason, the only. 2331 01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:07.800 Reason we had a job was because of those guys 2332 01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:09.119 at the doutschebang. 2333 01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:13.880 For us, right, that takes a tragedy, that's right, oh man. 2334 01:53:15.720 --> 01:53:16.640 Darkness of that week. 2335 01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:19.560 Yeah, look at you. There's a lot of youth going on. 2336 01:53:20.279 --> 01:53:22.079 He was using just for men back then. 2337 01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:26.800 I feel like I'm back in nineteen ninety eight starting 2338 01:53:26.880 --> 01:53:28.640 all over exactly. 2339 01:53:29.119 --> 01:53:31.760 Good memories that first pictures in front of the rig right, 2340 01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:34.319 that that's the picture. 2341 01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:38.439 How important they would be looking devils? 2342 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:41.279 Huh, why aren't you supposed to do a commercial or something. 2343 01:53:41.640 --> 01:53:43.760 Yeah, we got to do it now, I take a whiz. 2344 01:53:44.439 --> 01:53:46.079 And did you want to talk anything about this really 2345 01:53:46.159 --> 01:53:46.520 quick or no? 2346 01:53:46.840 --> 01:53:50.319 No, no, no, we we discussed it once before. We 2347 01:53:50.399 --> 01:53:52.000 could spend quite a bit of time on this. 2348 01:53:52.199 --> 01:53:53.880 So it's just astruction. 2349 01:53:54.199 --> 01:53:58.079 Yeah, yeah, this is twenty fourteen. I think the CDC 2350 01:53:58.640 --> 01:54:01.680 and Niosh came out with and it's it's an eye opener. 2351 01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:03.920 I think I talked about it before. But the one 2352 01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:06.840 thing to be aware of is that this legacy construction 2353 01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:09.239 at the top holds up very well. You can see 2354 01:54:09.359 --> 01:54:12.279 the collapse times are on the right. But the one 2355 01:54:12.319 --> 01:54:15.760 that really jumps off the page is this one here, 2356 01:54:17.119 --> 01:54:21.680 twelve inch wood eye Joyce right, Because for a long 2357 01:54:21.800 --> 01:54:24.279 time we didn't know how that was going to behave. 2358 01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:28.199 There had been a lot of non scientific studies LA 2359 01:54:28.319 --> 01:54:32.279 didn't want. A couple other departments did it and got 2360 01:54:32.319 --> 01:54:35.279 different numbers, but this is the same you know, methodology 2361 01:54:35.439 --> 01:54:37.680 for doing the study. But the one to look at 2362 01:54:37.800 --> 01:54:40.279 really is the wood eye Joyce. Like we looked at 2363 01:54:40.359 --> 01:54:45.239 before with the penetrations for the plumbing and the they 2364 01:54:45.319 --> 01:54:48.079 feil a lot quicker than I would have thought, you know, 2365 01:54:48.720 --> 01:54:51.920 so with nothing protecting them, no sheet rock protecting them, 2366 01:54:52.159 --> 01:54:55.680 and being exposed to fire as it starts. The number 2367 01:54:55.720 --> 01:54:58.560 that these guys got was six minutes and three seconds. 2368 01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:02.119 Look at the take holy right, yeah. 2369 01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:03.800 Look at look at just the line below it. 2370 01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:07.039 You say, take the same thing with the ceiling with 2371 01:55:07.159 --> 01:55:11.199 a gypsum ceiling under it goes up to twenty six 2372 01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:14.680 and it goes twenty minutes up. So you know, something 2373 01:55:14.720 --> 01:55:16.560 to be aware of. We have a whole bunch in 2374 01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:19.600 my town that are new private dwellings. 2375 01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:26.000 That everybody with the OSB is or oriented Yeah, go ahead, 2376 01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:31.199 it's oriented strandboard. It's basically engineered wood. It's all little 2377 01:55:31.239 --> 01:55:35.319 wood chips that are glued together. And again when when 2378 01:55:35.399 --> 01:55:37.399 when they're not under a fire load, it's great and 2379 01:55:37.479 --> 01:55:39.880 it saves people a lot of money. But once once 2380 01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:41.439 you put them under a fire load. 2381 01:55:41.960 --> 01:55:43.279 They weaken us. 2382 01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:44.760 Those collapse times. 2383 01:55:45.359 --> 01:55:48.399 The web birds. 2384 01:55:49.359 --> 01:55:52.920 So anyway, but that's that's it, guys. That's a fornight, 2385 01:55:53.680 --> 01:55:54.039 all right. 2386 01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:58.000 We have to questions before we forget Yeah, thank you 2387 01:55:58.159 --> 01:55:58.520 very much. 2388 01:55:59.000 --> 01:55:59.800 Yes you're welcome. 2389 01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:03.239 Yes we're gonna be the commercial first though in. 2390 01:56:03.319 --> 01:56:07.600 Honor of Hey you sorry about my internet, but you 2391 01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:10.239 were wonderful line. 2392 01:56:10.640 --> 01:56:11.640 They're looking for the exit. 2393 01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:13.199 You're the whitest you've ever been. 2394 01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:16.479 Roll up commercial. 2395 01:56:16.960 --> 01:56:19.600 All right, here we go from Arma tuff. Do you 2396 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:20.399 want to do the whole thing? 2397 01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:22.520 Usual discrestion? 2398 01:56:23.319 --> 01:56:27.600 Okay, need a new floor for your fire station. 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Eliminate the slip with armor tough. 2413 01:57:18.279 --> 01:57:20.840 You asked me what the fristion coefficient? 2414 01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:23.560 Well, here it is. 2415 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:31.199 Coefficient. 2416 01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:36.239 I'm such an idiot, I really am. 2417 01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:44.079 You'll fly it all right? 2418 01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:45.359 Here we go round two. 2419 01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:49.279 The First Responders Center for Excellence is a not for 2420 01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:52.880 profit organization dedicated to protecting their lives and livelihoods of 2421 01:57:53.039 --> 01:57:56.560 first responders. Their education and research initiatives aim to bring 2422 01:57:56.680 --> 01:58:00.920 greater awareness and understanding the challenges to health, safety, and 2423 01:58:01.039 --> 01:58:04.760 well being of firefighters, EMS personnel, and other first responders too. 2424 01:58:05.279 --> 01:58:08.720 They are an affiliate of the National Fallen Firefighter Foundation. 2425 01:58:10.199 --> 01:58:13.279 And here's one of my favorite old school health and 2426 01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:17.119 safety tips. Physical fitness is critical for ensuring the safety 2427 01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:22.119 and effectiveness of firefighters. Maintaining your healthy weight is important 2428 01:58:22.199 --> 01:58:26.960 to prevent obesity related health issues. So workout of gonzo, 2429 01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:29.640 will you've been crying out loud? Put down the jelly donnut? 2430 01:58:29.680 --> 01:58:31.680 And what was that a little gun? 2431 01:58:32.199 --> 01:58:35.720 All right? So we're gonna go back to two shows eventually. 2432 01:58:35.800 --> 01:58:38.520 Maybe we'll see what happens a week. We have on 2433 01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:39.840 Thursday next Thursday? 2434 01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:42.880 Right, if we have the Wallbounds fire, and we have 2435 01:58:43.199 --> 01:58:47.520 actually a husband and wife who both fought up their 2436 01:58:47.600 --> 01:58:50.199 fathers passed away at the Wall Bounds fire, and then 2437 01:58:50.239 --> 01:58:52.039 they met and then they end up getting married. 2438 01:58:52.319 --> 01:58:54.479 We'll have Jay Jonas on and tell the story and 2439 01:58:54.560 --> 01:58:55.840 they'll tell this story too. 2440 01:58:55.960 --> 01:59:00.239 So yes, that's pretty cool stuff. 2441 01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:03.199 Thanks again, Captain, my captain and senior dude. 2442 01:59:03.640 --> 01:59:04.840 The old school tip of the day. 2443 01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:08.359 Huh. While I'm throwing out telling you guys, what do 2444 01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:09.520 you have one handy? 2445 01:59:10.239 --> 01:59:11.880 You know I just you know, you know me, I'm 2446 01:59:11.960 --> 01:59:14.840 just popped into my head, gonce, can we please give 2447 01:59:14.840 --> 01:59:18.000 it to I don't need the music. You need the music. 2448 01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:20.960 Give them music, not that one. 2449 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:26.319 We were getting down dirty with that one. Okay, it's 2450 01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:33.520 time for we go man, the old school. All right, Hey, 2451 01:59:33.600 --> 01:59:34.319 you want a solo, you. 2452 01:59:34.319 --> 01:59:35.720 Want to bring give it a solo? 2453 01:59:36.479 --> 01:59:37.119 Need a solo. 2454 01:59:37.880 --> 01:59:38.680 We got. 2455 01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:42.159 A lot of times we have tips for all the 2456 01:59:42.239 --> 01:59:45.760 young firefighters out there. This one is for all you 2457 01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:49.880 senior dudes that are out there. Since I've retired, I've 2458 01:59:49.920 --> 01:59:53.479 had the pleasure to visit many different firehouses, mostly along 2459 01:59:53.520 --> 01:59:55.800 the East Coast, but in other parts of the country. 2460 01:59:56.520 --> 01:59:59.880 And what I have found is that the young crop 2461 02:00:00.159 --> 02:00:04.439 firefighters that are out there are just as good and 2462 02:00:04.960 --> 02:00:08.239 enthusiastic as when we were the young bucks on the job. 2463 02:00:09.760 --> 02:00:15.079 There's sponges they want to learn. There's unfortunately, unfortunately but unfortunately, 2464 02:00:15.079 --> 02:00:17.079 there's not as much fire duty out there as they 2465 02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:20.199 used to be, but there's still plenty of fires. And 2466 02:00:20.319 --> 02:00:22.840 all it takes is want to kill you. So as 2467 02:00:23.000 --> 02:00:25.960 us senior men, I take it as a great responsibility 2468 02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:32.119 these young firefighters are. They're just itching to hear your 2469 02:00:32.239 --> 02:00:35.760 experience and your stories, as you know, as long as 2470 02:00:35.800 --> 02:00:40.000 there's teaching points in there, and you know, we have 2471 02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:43.359 to take that seriously. You know, even you're retired whatever, 2472 02:00:43.479 --> 02:00:46.560 visit your local firehouse. You'll be surprised they want you know, 2473 02:00:46.720 --> 02:00:50.680 they'll they'll welcome you with open arms and don't be 2474 02:00:50.760 --> 02:00:55.079 afraid to make friends with them. And they're they're going 2475 02:00:55.119 --> 02:00:58.800 to want to hear your stories and and how you 2476 02:00:58.920 --> 02:01:02.319 did things and tact and and then in turn they'll 2477 02:01:02.319 --> 02:01:04.039 get to speak to you a little bit about maybe 2478 02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:07.159 the difference in the masks and stuff. The key is 2479 02:01:07.239 --> 02:01:11.000 we're talking about the job and putting the phones down 2480 02:01:11.560 --> 02:01:13.199 and getting like I said, get into. 2481 02:01:13.079 --> 02:01:15.840 The job, not on the job and that's it. 2482 02:01:16.920 --> 02:01:17.439 They're safe. 2483 02:01:17.800 --> 02:01:20.039 Hey, Roofie, how lucky are we to have this guy 2484 02:01:20.239 --> 02:01:23.560 is our captain and this senior man but blessed and 2485 02:01:23.600 --> 02:01:24.560 now we get to have him on the. 2486 02:01:24.560 --> 02:01:26.520 Show too with the shitty internet. 2487 02:01:26.600 --> 02:01:28.960 But whatever, Well that's on you, bro. I can't help you. 2488 02:01:31.800 --> 02:01:33.840 I'm still waiting for the check from getting salty to 2489 02:01:33.880 --> 02:01:35.600 get my good stuff. But I don't worry. I got 2490 02:01:35.720 --> 02:01:37.840 to taken care of that second one, didn't you What 2491 02:01:38.920 --> 02:01:39.439 are you kidding? 2492 02:01:39.880 --> 02:01:45.359 I'm not kidding you. I'm telling this off. I don't 2493 02:01:45.399 --> 02:01:46.279 need tomorrow. 2494 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:51.640 Honestly, I have to apologize to everybody, even especially Dennis, 2495 02:01:51.720 --> 02:01:54.720 because you know he's usually I'm his wingman when we 2496 02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:57.680 do these, I'm like the color commentator, and tonight it 2497 02:01:57.840 --> 02:01:59.840 was I would hear the first two lines of his 2498 02:02:00.039 --> 02:02:02.000 whatever he said, the first two words, and then the 2499 02:02:02.119 --> 02:02:08.399 last two, and I'm like, you see it in my face. 2500 02:02:08.439 --> 02:02:10.079 I'm sitting there like, what did he just say? 2501 02:02:10.239 --> 02:02:12.359 I thought he was just getting close to your bedtime 2502 02:02:12.439 --> 02:02:13.840 you get a little cranky something. 2503 02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:17.239 But there's always it's been a pleasure. 2504 02:02:17.880 --> 02:02:20.399 So we'll have you out again and again. 2505 02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:22.960 And get the new internet when I moved. But I'm 2506 02:02:23.000 --> 02:02:23.920 not going through this again. 2507 02:02:23.920 --> 02:02:27.880 I ain't going through this stuff anymore. All right, Cap, 2508 02:02:28.000 --> 02:02:31.159 thank you again very much, appreciate your time. Yes, seeing 2509 02:02:31.199 --> 02:02:32.279 your dude, thank you very much. 2510 02:02:33.640 --> 02:02:35.920 I love a pleasure to the chief. He turned from 2511 02:02:36.159 --> 02:02:39.399 He can take you from jack asconto the serious chief. 2512 02:02:39.479 --> 02:02:43.520 Conso I tried. 2513 02:02:43.680 --> 02:02:45.279 You mean you mean hit it hard from the yard? 2514 02:02:45.800 --> 02:02:47.319 You mean, oh that guy right right right? 2515 02:02:47.439 --> 02:02:47.640 Yeah? 2516 02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:51.319 Almost put almost put seeing your dude out, You won't 2517 02:02:52.119 --> 02:02:52.720 an aneurysm. 2518 02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:53.239 I don't know. 2519 02:02:53.640 --> 02:02:58.520 Laugh, girls, Freeze will put the fire right and mud 2520 02:02:58.560 --> 02:03:00.000 alawn in your backyard at the same time. 2521 02:03:00.720 --> 02:03:03.359 Well, that's for sure. Talking in the bed at nights, 2522 02:03:03.840 --> 02:03:04.640 alright to you. 2523 02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:09.359 We'll see your Thursday, cap, alright, by night, everybody, stay 2524 02:03:09.399 --> 02:03:10.199 safe and go. 2525 02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:12.920 That's alright, guys, good night. In addition to rolling heavy 2526 02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:16.439 all the way, what no, we're gonna say, what was 2527 02:03:16.479 --> 02:03:16.760 that one? 2528 02:03:17.199 --> 02:03:20.439 Federal Q all the way, federal cue all the way, 2529 02:03:21.039 --> 02:03:23.119 I'm gonna have to make one up for him by. 2530 02:03:24.600 --> 02:03:25.279 Hard from the yard. 2531 02:03:25.319 --> 02:03:28.000 That's what I don't like that that's been around too long. 2532 02:03:28.079 --> 02:03:28.720 That can't be mine. 2533 02:03:29.000 --> 02:03:30.000 Alright, alright, guys, goo