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Speaker 12: For all.
Speaker 4: Wonderflock. So now we're going to talk about god, apartments, townhouses,
Speaker 4: what else that, Yeah, and.
Speaker 12: All of those that we're gonna lump everything into one.
Speaker 12: I mean, they are different, slightly different, but most of
Speaker 12: the fire fighting problems are the same. So you know,
Speaker 12: we'll just get into it. And uh and like I said,
Speaker 12: everybody chip in. You know, as far as h if
Speaker 12: you had a job here, you had a job there.
Speaker 12: It's supposed to be a kitchen drill. So that's what
Speaker 12: we should be doing. I had this happen, I had
Speaker 12: that happen. And we'll kind of let those experiences, you know,
Speaker 12: feed off each other and as.
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Speaker 12: Okay, so we were we had originally we're gonna do
Speaker 12: a random thoughts, which this kind of led led to.
Speaker 12: But this turned up being it was such a big
Speaker 12: topic that we just we're gonna stay just on pretty
Speaker 12: much guarding upon its because when I started to look
Speaker 12: at what I had and at different places, I had
Speaker 12: a lot of materials, so it's just in there, and
Speaker 12: there was a lot of photographs that I had accumulated
Speaker 12: on this with the intention of putting into other programs.
Speaker 12: But again, like I said, the last time, you know,
Speaker 12: we talked about you guys and passing it on and
Speaker 12: you passing it on to the guys and the companies
Speaker 12: that you worked into eighty eight especially, I passed it
Speaker 12: on to you. Hank passed it on to you. But
Speaker 12: these are some of the These are some of the
Speaker 12: guys that we learned from. And Tom Brennan was one
Speaker 12: of my mentors. And that's why we call this random
Speaker 12: What's because I always loved what he did in the
Speaker 12: back of the magazine. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 12: read that magazine back to front because they went to
Speaker 12: see what he had to say. I have his book
Speaker 12: here and it's all different topics and most of those, uh,
Speaker 12: those observations and tips that he passed along are still
Speaker 12: still applicable today. You know, you think about a lot
Speaker 12: of stuff changes, but a lot of stuff doesn't.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 11: We still got to go in and put it out.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 12: That's me all the way on the left, Yeah, Joe McDermott,
Speaker 12: Willie Green, and that's Captain Brennan. Willie's kind of obstructed
Speaker 12: by Captain Brennan. But that's what he used to do.
Speaker 12: After every fire. He would line us up like that
Speaker 12: informally and just ask us, where'd you go, what did
Speaker 12: you how'd you get there?
Speaker 11: What did you do when you got there? So I,
Speaker 11: like I.
Speaker 12: Said, you were under you were under a little bit
Speaker 12: of pressure to perform, you know, like he wanted to
Speaker 12: know how his company performed at a fire. You don't
Speaker 12: see that too much anymore.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 12: You just you know, you go, everybody comes out now,
Speaker 12: they take a picture. You know, it's like, yeah, we
Speaker 12: did a great job. You know, it's like all right,
Speaker 12: well where did you go and what did you do?
Speaker 12: You know, and how'd you get there? You know, and
Speaker 12: it was all it was all, you know, a lot
Speaker 12: of hard charging young guys that just that wanted to
Speaker 12: learn their trade.
Speaker 11: You know, I think Eddie Kilduff meted it on your show.
Speaker 11: You know it was it was.
Speaker 12: It was a real good place and a real good
Speaker 12: incubator of good firefighters.
Speaker 11: Every company in that area was like that. It was
Speaker 11: really good.
Speaker 4: Is he still around? Uh?
Speaker 5: EDT.
Speaker 12: Brennan, Captain Brennan passed away about ten to fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 12: The last time I saw him was at FDIC and
Speaker 12: then he lived in Florida.
Speaker 5: He used to go.
Speaker 12: He used to be like the one of the keynotes
Speaker 12: in fdi C. Just about every year. He did a
Speaker 12: whole thing with the Chief Brunussini from Phoenix that was
Speaker 12: very well received all time. But he was a lifelong
Speaker 12: instructor and uh and he was just a great uh,
Speaker 12: a great teacher of young fine you know. So that
Speaker 12: that was one of my influences. And the next slide
Speaker 12: you'll see is one of the other ones that I
Speaker 12: just wanted to add here, which is John Vigiana, who
Speaker 12: we've talked about many times on here. But he was
Speaker 12: another guy. He was a great mentor for young firefighters.
Speaker 12: You know, he was a guy who's from one thirty
Speaker 12: two where Hank Hank started. Uh, he was a longtime officer,
Speaker 12: a lieutenant and Rescue two and then he was the
Speaker 12: captain of Won seventy six, in which I worked in
Speaker 12: both of those companies, in one seventy six and Rescue too.
Speaker 12: So he made a big, big impression on me.
Speaker 5: Also, you know, did he walk side of do you
Speaker 5: guys remember, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just looking at he's got four as two bees.
Speaker 12: Think about it, like you look at so many guys
Speaker 12: from that era, guys like and you're not all older guys,
Speaker 12: like guys like Paddy Brown, you know, it's just Jack Pritchett,
Speaker 12: you know. They these guys just saw such a tremendous
Speaker 12: amount of fire duty. It was they they were exposed
Speaker 12: to it, you know, and they uh and they were
Speaker 12: very good at what they did. And that was the
Speaker 12: thing with vis you know, you look, you look at him,
Speaker 12: and you go in a job full of high quality
Speaker 12: fire offices, he stood out just that fact alone, and
Speaker 12: in a job full of high quality people, he was exceptional.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 12: So I don't want to stay on there. I just
Speaker 12: wanted to mention them and move on. But great teacher
Speaker 12: of firefighters, go.
Speaker 6: Ahead, and I mentioned since it's still not you know,
Speaker 6: nine to eleven week. Unfortunately, he lost both his sons
Speaker 6: on nine to eleven U the one that was in
Speaker 6: one thirty two and the other was the emergency services.
Speaker 11: Yeah, John and Joe.
Speaker 12: Okay, So getting getting into what we're going to talk
Speaker 12: about tonight, We're gonna talk about garden apartments, townhouses, some
Speaker 12: other buildings that are similar. We're gonna throw them all
Speaker 12: in one basket and just go through the problems that
Speaker 12: that they that they.
Speaker 11: Present for us. But again, buildings like that are nothing new.
Speaker 12: Urban departments are for row frame fires for I don't know,
Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty years now. Uh, but these are
Speaker 12: the modern equivalent of row frames, and and they're nothing new.
Speaker 12: They go back to the fifties, you know, the these
Speaker 12: modern type, but a lot of things have changed. They
Speaker 12: got a lot of similarities, but there's a lot of
Speaker 12: differences too, and there's a lot of differences in in
Speaker 12: the uh, the construction of these buildings over time. You know,
Speaker 12: lightweight construction is one of them. A lot of voids,
Speaker 12: some of the voids similar to the row frames, and uh,
Speaker 12: you know, the construction end of it, not only how
Speaker 12: it's built and how it's designed, but how it's installed
Speaker 12: and the workmanship. You know, Uh, they modern buildings do
Speaker 12: not have common cocklofts.
Speaker 8: I was just gonna say that they had to have
Speaker 8: changed that at least forgot right right.
Speaker 11: But the thing is how well are how well is
Speaker 11: the fire protection in the current cocklofts, and it varies widely.
Speaker 12: I'll show you. I've got a slide that I saw
Speaker 12: personally of a building. It's never had a fire in it,
Speaker 12: but but it's going to be like a fifth a law.
Speaker 12: You know, it's in two eighty eight areas.
Speaker 4: You can do it as shody shoddy workmanship.
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: We were pretty lucky they have There are a lot
Speaker 4: of buildings going up. When we got this, we're able
Speaker 4: to go in as they were putting them up and
Speaker 4: see what kind of construction they were.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they still are. You could consider them
Speaker 6: common cock lofts because they may not run a whole block,
Speaker 6: but they're definitely not separated into single you know, into
Speaker 6: single units. Oh, you might have three or four units
Speaker 6: that are incorporated in whatever the square footage of that
Speaker 6: you know, that county therein I think like NASA I
Speaker 6: think is seventy five hundred square feet and that has
Speaker 6: to be fire stops, so that that could include you know,
Speaker 6: three separate townhouses.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that and that varies. You know, that's a that's
Speaker 11: a big thing that varies areas in the country.
Speaker 6: Say that again.
Speaker 5: In other words, that numb.
Speaker 11: But you know that can vary from me in different areas.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying is that we had you know, you
Speaker 6: do have the common You still have the common cockla
Speaker 6: you know. That's knowing your area, knowing what your building
Speaker 6: codes are. And uh, okay, well we got fire in
Speaker 6: this cock clatter. The attic of this one, you know,
Speaker 6: is is the firewall right at the exposure four side,
Speaker 6: two side or is this the middle buildings? So those
Speaker 6: are all things you have to think about. Yeah, with
Speaker 6: the fire spread.
Speaker 12: Yep, and how how well it's installed, I mean, and
Speaker 12: look at you know, you go back to the buildings.
Speaker 12: One of the first jobs I had in to eighty
Speaker 12: eight was way out east and it was in a
Speaker 12: row of garden apartments. But they were all masonary, so
Speaker 12: they didn't go anywhere. It basically stayed within the Yeah,
Speaker 12: it went nowhere except for the original fire building.
Speaker 11: But you look at it now and you look like
Speaker 11: even like with performance based codes. You know, the the
Speaker 11: cinder block firewall which we used to have for decades, right,
Speaker 11: that's been replaced by gypsum board. And you know, how
Speaker 11: how well installed is it?
Speaker 12: The guy that comes in, you know, it wasn't that
Speaker 12: easy to get through a cinder block wall, like to
Speaker 12: run a cable line or something. I mean, it got done,
Speaker 12: but but it wasn't. It was harder to compromise it.
Speaker 12: You you see this, you know, doubled one inch gypsum
Speaker 12: board and you see that and everything from high.
Speaker 1: Rises for a while like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly mine something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 11: So go to the next light.
Speaker 6: Gunson.
Speaker 12: Okay, So this is this is a good example of
Speaker 12: a modern a miner set of townhouses. You know, it's
Speaker 12: it's it's a lot of uh, it's a lot to
Speaker 12: ask from, especially for mid sized suburban fire departments. This
Speaker 12: is another. Like a commercial building, this is another. This
Speaker 12: is not a private dwelling, you know, this is uh,
Speaker 12: this is gonna be a fire like this is gonna
Speaker 12: be a minimum of four hand lines, and especially this
Speaker 12: fire on the lower floors as well, because it's in
Speaker 12: the original unit. It's probably spread and I'm assuming it
Speaker 12: spreads on either side. So you have to have at
Speaker 12: least two hand lines in the original unit, and then
Speaker 12: you're gonna have to have one hand line minimum in
Speaker 12: each exposure. So right there, that's four engine companies, you know,
Speaker 12: at least four engine companies.
Speaker 11: So that's a full first alarm.
Speaker 12: Assignment, and you know, with relief and additional lines.
Speaker 4: And the you know, more than in rural areas. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe two guys on a rate. And where's the other
Speaker 4: one coming from? So these guys got their handsful.
Speaker 10: Of down here in South Florida. You know, three guys
Speaker 10: to an engine company, right.
Speaker 12: Right, come, let me ask you something. Uh, three guys
Speaker 12: to an engine pull up? Do you is it common
Speaker 12: practice in your area to team up engines or does
Speaker 12: each engine the two guys other than the pump operator
Speaker 12: stretch the first line, let's say an engine three quarter
Speaker 12: line into.
Speaker 10: This depends on response time, but for the most part,
Speaker 10: we team up with our rescue, which is the ambulance
Speaker 10: down here. So we have to end up with a
Speaker 10: five person crew that can pair up and then they
Speaker 10: can do a stretch, you know, second engine company, if
Speaker 10: your water source, and you know, the checkbox of things
Speaker 10: that need to be in place. But for the most part,
Speaker 10: they'll pair up initially a rescue with them.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's what they do on Long Island.
Speaker 12: They'll they'll pair up companies because a lot of a
Speaker 12: lot of companies are coming in on the staff, especially
Speaker 12: during the day.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, sorry, So I was just saying this picture here,
Speaker 8: looking at this, like I remember when they were building
Speaker 8: a lot of the newer three family houses kind of
Speaker 8: similar to these townhouse types like you're talking about. You
Speaker 8: would see that the the dividing wall come through the roof, right.
Speaker 8: A lot of times you would see if there was
Speaker 8: peaked or if it was like this this like uh,
Speaker 8: you know, just a slanted roof here, like you would
Speaker 8: see it come through. So just looking at this like,
Speaker 8: that's got to be a common cock loft here, right,
Speaker 8: I mean, this would have to do not necessarily.
Speaker 12: It could be, but not necessarily. A lot of for
Speaker 12: a while, there are a lot of like in my town,
Speaker 12: I can tell you we have we have these buildings
Speaker 12: that just like he described, it comes through the roof.
Speaker 11: It's visible from the outside.
Speaker 12: The chief has doesn't have to guess about the boundaries
Speaker 12: of the fire, you know, or the fire containment as
Speaker 12: long as it's intact, and that's a big if. But
Speaker 12: then also we have ones that come right up to
Speaker 12: the underside, and we have some pictures of those later,
Speaker 12: and they don't penetrate the roof, so it's there, but
Speaker 12: it's not that easy to see.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 12: And then you have buildings that have different levels and
Speaker 12: that acts as like the firewall in other words.
Speaker 4: Looks like multiple apartments here.
Speaker 12: So I'm gonna say, actually, yeah, yeah, it could be,
Speaker 12: it might not be, you know what you can. I'm
Speaker 12: always a little hesitant to read too much into any
Speaker 12: one picture, because you know, you you're just getting on
Speaker 12: a snapshot. And but as we go along, we'll see better,
Speaker 12: better images that that describe what we're talking about.
Speaker 6: One of the things on this particular building that I see,
Speaker 6: and I'm not I'm not familiar with it, is it
Speaker 6: almost it's two story, like you would consider a garden apartment,
Speaker 6: but there is no separate outside doors. This has an
Speaker 6: interior interior hallway and obviously an interior stairway, so it's
Speaker 6: almost I would treat it like a two story apartment.
Speaker 1: Building.
Speaker 12: It's actually it's it looks like if you look closely
Speaker 12: at the picture, it looks like it's a three story
Speaker 12: because it's probably down a couple of steps and.
Speaker 11: Document, you know.
Speaker 12: But anyway, but let's let's move to the next line.
Speaker 11: We'll see. All right, this is a fire we had
Speaker 11: in my town. Actually these are two and this building
Speaker 11: on the left is uh.
Speaker 12: I want anybody want to take a guess as to
Speaker 12: what this is a repurposed building? Anybody guess as to
Speaker 12: what the original occupancy school school?
Speaker 11: Right, it was a school and it is an apartment.
Speaker 12: But you go in, you go in a center hallway
Speaker 12: and then all the apartments are off as another entrance
Speaker 12: further down with the same kind of arrangement. Tremendous voids
Speaker 12: in something like this. In other words, this was all
Speaker 12: boxed out. Let's say, in the original classroom had a
Speaker 12: ten foot ceiling. These ceilings are eight feet you know,
Speaker 12: over everyone, it's all boxed out. Big fire log. The
Speaker 12: original school had a big fire log. The cock loft
Speaker 12: in this thing is like six feet tall or wood
Speaker 12: and open from right to left. Yeah, yeah, and you
Speaker 12: know what I say that off to the races, you know,
Speaker 12: you could have a full first alarm assignment sitting across
Speaker 12: the street. And if the fire gets into that cock
Speaker 12: loft and gets possession of that, you're not going to
Speaker 12: be able to to get ahead of that.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be very difficult, I think, man hard on that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a phony man sid right. The front of
Speaker 12: the building is vertical. The brick veneer I believe is
Speaker 12: also too from when it was converted. But uh, a
Speaker 12: friend of mine was the go ahead.
Speaker 6: So you have two issues there. If it gets in
Speaker 6: the cock loft, that could be running or if it
Speaker 6: auto exposes into the mansarde it could just be running
Speaker 6: around the mansard from left to right.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and that and that. That's exactly what happened here.
Speaker 12: It got in there, but they knocked it down from
Speaker 12: the outside pretty quickly, you know, before it took off.
Speaker 12: But the masonry wall, that masonry wall that the ladder
Speaker 12: is up against, uh, that goes vertically all the way
Speaker 12: up and there's a there's a cornice up there. But
Speaker 12: again you know it's it's a converted building, uh into
Speaker 12: apartments that it wasn't its original function. Creates unique problems.
Speaker 12: And then the other the other building is a set
Speaker 12: of classic peak roof you know townhouses. You know one
Speaker 12: unit two stories uh that that they had a job in,
Speaker 12: uh about five or.
Speaker 11: Six years ago.
Speaker 12: But again this is at night, so I just I'm
Speaker 12: gonna point this out later. But look at the parking situation.
Speaker 12: Very tight for the first three units here, you know,
Speaker 12: so getting in and out, that's one of the big
Speaker 12: big considerations is you're only going to be able to
Speaker 12: get so much apparatus near the fire building.
Speaker 11: You really have to be thinking about pre planning that
Speaker 11: ahead of time.
Speaker 4: I don't gonna have courtyards where the dead ended, so.
Speaker 8: That I remember three h six had a bunch of those.
Speaker 8: Three h five had a bunch of those. I think
Speaker 8: three fifteen had a bunch of those.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the courtyard stretches.
Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, next light. All right, this is one that
Speaker 11: you know.
Speaker 12: Again it's not a classic two or three story gone
Speaker 12: but the fire problem is exactly the same. This fire
Speaker 12: was in Edgewater, New Jersey. There's an apartment complex, all
Speaker 12: lightweight construction. Over five hundred people made homes on a
Speaker 12: on a January night, I remember a bitter cold out.
Speaker 12: This place is right off the HUDs And River and
Speaker 12: it's just it's.
Speaker 6: Right across from like the upper west side.
Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly, yeah, and so a luxury a luxury apartment building. Uh,
Speaker 12: but the construction features are the exact same construction features
Speaker 12: that we're going to be talking about tonight. So the
Speaker 12: story is the bitter cold night, wind driven, you know,
Speaker 12: very windy, which makes it worse. Somebody has a frozen
Speaker 12: pipe in their in their apartment, all right, yeah, and.
Speaker 5: What do they do?
Speaker 12: They call the plumber, Right, the plumber comes. Where's the
Speaker 12: frozen pipe. It's up in the trust space in the ceiling.
Speaker 12: I think it was on the second floor. So plumber
Speaker 12: goes up there and starts sweating the pipe to thaw
Speaker 12: out the blockage, and he ignites the He gets a
Speaker 12: small fire going up in the trust loft. He tries
Speaker 12: putting it out. He's unsuccessful and putting it out, So
Speaker 12: they leave and I think.
Speaker 5: They called it in.
Speaker 12: But by the time the fire department arrived, it was,
Speaker 12: like I said, off to the races. This entire complex
Speaker 12: that you see in the upper picture there burnt down.
Speaker 12: I believe it was almost five hundred people homeless. This
Speaker 12: isn't a luxury condominium, and I believe the Yankees announcer
Speaker 12: John Sterling lived in this place. Yeah, there was a
Speaker 12: big name that lived in the place that got a
Speaker 12: little more pressed than a fire normally would. But that
Speaker 12: that is the kind of problem that you're looking at,
Speaker 12: a fast moving fire, very resource heavy. You know, you're
Speaker 12: coming in you you don't have enough units ever for
Speaker 12: something like this, you know, so this is you know,
Speaker 12: this in New York could probably be the equivalent of
Speaker 12: a fourth or a fifth alarm, maybe even more today,
Speaker 12: you know, but but you're you're really playing ketchup because
Speaker 12: you know, you think about it, it's a beautiful building,
Speaker 12: fully sprinkled. So so the odds of a fire, a
Speaker 12: serious fire, are very small statistic.
Speaker 11: But what happens Murphy shows up right boom, you know.
Speaker 4: Dennis Murphy.
Speaker 8: Capt these these newest types like this, Like when I
Speaker 8: think about that, even even by two eighty eight, as
Speaker 8: the years went on, the newer construction, everybody who's using
Speaker 8: those metal studs, right, is that what most of these
Speaker 8: are done with nowadays?
Speaker 1: Is it all metal?
Speaker 12: I know, I don't think so, because there's quite a
Speaker 12: few that are a lot of the interior walls are
Speaker 12: some of the entire building is. I just saw a
Speaker 12: picture of one. It was the entire building was metal
Speaker 12: Sea Joys. A little further in, I have some pictures
Speaker 12: that we took of how those perform at fires. They're
Speaker 12: in renovations and that new construction, but you'll see it
Speaker 12: in a minute. They look like spaghetti after that. And
Speaker 12: I'm talking about the larger Joys, not the interior.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, the big Sea Joys.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So we'll get to that in a minute. But
Speaker 12: I just wanted to show it does happen. It has happened,
Speaker 12: It's gonna happen again.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 12: And this type of construction is the same construction the
Speaker 12: buildings that we're gonna be talking about tonight. So okay,
Speaker 12: God thanks, yeah again we just talked about it before.
Speaker 12: Not gonna not gonna belabor the point, but get out
Speaker 12: know your district, you know, know the hydrant locations. Everything's
Speaker 12: in the computer today. Make sure the computers accurate.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 12: I used to take guys out driving and I would
Speaker 12: just be I had the tablet in front of me,
Speaker 12: you know, the MDT in front of me, and the
Speaker 12: hydrants are coming up as we're as we're going down
Speaker 12: the street, and I would just look at it. That's
Speaker 12: in the right spot. That's you would be amazed how
Speaker 12: many how many hydrants are in the wrong location, I
Speaker 12: mean as far as the computer goes. So that's something
Speaker 12: you want to check when you can and don't depend
Speaker 12: on somebody else to put it in when you get back,
Speaker 12: you write it up and put it in and make
Speaker 12: sure they put it in for the correct location, you know,
Speaker 12: And then know your buildings, the buildings that are hazards,
Speaker 12: like we're talking about tonight, Know your target has it's
Speaker 12: not only just residential, but you know if you got
Speaker 12: resident we had residential, and it was like in this building,
Speaker 12: this is residential and they have some special needs folks
Speaker 12: living there that that needs to be and you know,
Speaker 12: if there's anybody with mobility issues, you know, and like
Speaker 12: you guys said before, your access can you get in?
Speaker 12: Can you get to the riar the rear in these places?
Speaker 12: A lot of times it's just like that's something that's
Speaker 12: in common with a row frame, getting a portable ladder
Speaker 12: to the back, all right, or getting a ladder truck
Speaker 12: if that's possible.
Speaker 4: You know, some of these god apartments have like medical
Speaker 4: facilities in them, right, Like let's find a dentist office
Speaker 4: in their commercial line.
Speaker 11: I haven't seen that too much.
Speaker 12: The the the smaller buildings, No, I haven't seen that,
Speaker 12: but they definitely do exist. The podium style buildings where
Speaker 12: you see like two floors of concrete, uh, construction, and
Speaker 12: then you name it above it.
Speaker 11: I think we got one.
Speaker 12: We got one couple of towns over that's I think
Speaker 12: ten stories. Uh so that's two, it's it's it's eight
Speaker 12: over two, eight over two, eight lightweight trusts wood frame floors. Right,
Speaker 12: so eight lightweight wood, lightweight trust floors over two concrete
Speaker 12: podium or pedestal floors, depending on what do you what
Speaker 12: you call them. I think most of the time they
Speaker 12: call podium buildings today.
Speaker 11: All right, So, so.
Speaker 12: Again, all the hazards that we just saw on that
Speaker 12: slide on Edgewater in those buildings above the concrete, and
Speaker 12: and those buildings very often, like you were just saying,
Speaker 12: very often, those first two floors can be used for
Speaker 12: a lot of different things. Sometimes they use for parking,
Speaker 12: sometimes they use for retail and commercial restaurants and things
Speaker 12: like that. But and I don't think they're that easy
Speaker 12: to build either. Because I was just reading something about
Speaker 12: the maintaining the integrity of that division, you know, from
Speaker 12: let's say two to three where it becomes becomes wood.
Speaker 11: They have to.
Speaker 12: They're pretty stringent on the penetrations, right, because you can
Speaker 12: see if it was a parking garage on the first
Speaker 12: floor and then and then or on the second floor
Speaker 12: and then uh, you know, there's a car fire and
Speaker 12: extends into the wood trust portion in the building. It's
Speaker 12: it's just like Edgewater. It's it's off to the races, right.
Speaker 6: So I don't I don't even be able to hear
Speaker 6: me because.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I got you, we got you.
Speaker 6: Yeah. But I as far as me listening, I got
Speaker 6: to apologize because every almost like every other word that
Speaker 6: Dennis is saying or every third I'm missing it. So
Speaker 6: it's like I'm afraid to jump in because I'm not here,
Speaker 6: and half.
Speaker 4: Of what he's saying, you sure it's the internet and
Speaker 4: not the Yeah, I love the Internet.
Speaker 5: It was serious about that exactly.
Speaker 6: I'll try to get this in. We're talking about pre
Speaker 6: plan the way I look at it, a classic garden apartment.
Speaker 6: The difference between that saying the road frame the garden
Speaker 6: apartment is not is not a front to rear flat.
Speaker 6: You're exposed what would be.
Speaker 13: Three or a B C is a mirror apartment. So
Speaker 13: if you if if you have a you know, if
Speaker 13: you're having a if you have.
Speaker 6: A job in the second story, and what's behind you
Speaker 6: in exposure three is actually a mirror adjoining apartment, and
Speaker 6: the fire stopping goes from the two to the four side.
Speaker 6: I've never seen it where they bring it up in
Speaker 6: between the front and the rear, because, like I tell you,
Speaker 6: they go by square footage, so that costs more money.
Speaker 6: Builders and developers are I don't like spending money. So
Speaker 6: you have to think about what's behind it on that
Speaker 6: exposure three side, and normays, you know, exposure three rear
Speaker 6: yard or it's a street. Exposure three here is going
Speaker 6: to be in a typical garden apartment, that mirror apartment,
Speaker 6: and there are plenty of voids for fire to get
Speaker 6: in there. You got the pipe chases for the bathroom vents.
Speaker 6: You might have the kitchen vent that runs through and
Speaker 6: that's common with the built behind it. So those are
Speaker 6: all things you can't forget about what's happening on the
Speaker 6: other side. You know, you're thinking about two and four
Speaker 6: exposed you're doing four, but you got to get back
Speaker 6: there and see what's going on in exposure three. Also
Speaker 6: because you know it might be rolling merrily in the
Speaker 6: air and a void.
Speaker 4: So you need hey, did you say something, because we
Speaker 4: couldn't hear you.
Speaker 8: That's a good one anyway.
Speaker 11: Anyway, look at the like Hank was saying.
Speaker 12: Sometimes, uh, these buildings have more in common with like
Speaker 12: what we in New York would call the old abilities
Speaker 12: like tenements, you know, like with with apartments behind each other.
Speaker 12: But I'll get get to this one here. This is
Speaker 12: an interesting fire. This is my mother lived used to
Speaker 12: live right across the street from this, and so this
Speaker 12: is a whole big development of this exact type of construction.
Speaker 12: These are all modular, you know, garden apartments. And if
Speaker 12: you look at the picture on the right, you can
Speaker 12: see if you look real closely, there's two doors that
Speaker 12: go up. Those two doors go to the apartments upstairs
Speaker 12: on either side, so one of two over two. So
Speaker 12: there's an apartment on the right, apartment on the left
Speaker 12: on the first floor, which is hard to see the doors,
Speaker 12: but if you look look at the entrance and look
Speaker 12: all the way to the left corner there at the
Speaker 12: entrance way there to the left of the round yeah, right,
Speaker 12: so uh, and then there's another one on the other side.
Speaker 1: So so.
Speaker 12: And I'm obviously I'm familiar with the layout here and
Speaker 12: it's my old apartment. This is Eastmeato, the Great Great
Speaker 12: Fire Department. But interesting story here, modular. There is some
Speaker 12: trust from what I've been told in this, although I
Speaker 12: didn't see it myself. What happens is when, like what
Speaker 12: just happened with my mom, the place, the place gets sold, right,
Speaker 12: So the next tenant wants to come in, and these
Speaker 12: are elderly people.
Speaker 11: It's a Senior citizens complex.
Speaker 12: They want to redo it because generally the place that's
Speaker 12: being vacated is is dated. So they have a contract
Speaker 12: to come in or a series of contractors come in
Speaker 12: and they redo the interior. And that's what was happening
Speaker 12: here from what I was told, and the contract that
Speaker 12: came in. And he had a pizza box on the stove.
Speaker 12: Does that, Hank sound familiar?
Speaker 5: Hank?
Speaker 1: And who right?
Speaker 11: And so he goes to the.
Speaker 12: Back of the apartment or whatever. They're not huge apartments,
Speaker 12: They're not tiny, but they're not huge.
Speaker 8: And uh.
Speaker 12: He comes back in a pizza boxes on fire. So
Speaker 12: he takes the pizza box and instead of throwing it
Speaker 12: in the bathroom sink or just getting an off the
Speaker 12: sink is right next to the stove and putting it out,
Speaker 12: he decides to run it outside down the interior stairs.
Speaker 12: Yeah you thought that, you thought that this only happened
Speaker 12: in certain neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: Jop security.
Speaker 11: It's universal, it's universal.
Speaker 12: So uh so this guy he drops it at the
Speaker 12: bottom of the stairs and it takes off back up
Speaker 12: the stairs and now it's blowing out the front door
Speaker 12: and cutting off the primary means of egress for both
Speaker 12: both of the other all three of the other apartments.
Speaker 12: So interesting. They did a good job. That came in
Speaker 12: and see the line stretched. It was a one line fire.
Speaker 12: They they did a very good job putting it out.
Speaker 12: But I just wanted to point out the layout is interesting.
Speaker 12: You know, you get something right at the front door there.
Speaker 12: It's four apartments in a unit, so that's where you're
Speaker 12: you know, there's no firewalls like Hank was just saying,
Speaker 12: it's it's a common cock loft upstairs for those four units,
Speaker 12: you know. But but then there's a division for the
Speaker 12: one on either side. You know, there's a division wall.
Speaker 12: So that's a pretty common layout in the United States.
Speaker 1: Right now, I was gonna say, God, you must have
Speaker 1: those everywhere down by.
Speaker 10: You apartment complexes everywhere. I was going to talk about
Speaker 10: a little bit with that. Just the millionstructure different is
Speaker 10: the CBS block. The entire capsulates, the entire structure. That's
Speaker 10: what just dipparate, sorry, differentiates these from what you guys
Speaker 10: have up there.
Speaker 4: Basically, yet guys don't down here.
Speaker 6: What I've seen with the garden apartments is that you
Speaker 6: have a lot with where the second story has instead
Speaker 6: of a hallway, it has like an out an outside deck.
Speaker 6: But yeah, outside hallway it's open air into the doors.
Speaker 6: There's no enclosed hallway, so it's it's.
Speaker 10: The exterior balconies if you will, all the way up here.
Speaker 10: It's very common down here.
Speaker 6: Right the next area stairs that you know on either side.
Speaker 5: Of the building, and you know the apartment just right
Speaker 5: down the line, the right.
Speaker 6: Floor right, there's no no door that you open up
Speaker 6: to get and then walk you know, in a stair
Speaker 6: interior to get there.
Speaker 5: You opening the door, you're going to the apartment.
Speaker 1: Right, god fully sprinkled, Sorry.
Speaker 10: Something depending on when they were built. That was anything
Speaker 10: new construction now and you know I was we all
Speaker 10: know the developers are finding the ways to not put
Speaker 10: complete sprinkle system in. You know, if it's a it
Speaker 10: was for example, you know, the code is anything over
Speaker 10: seventy five feet has to require a building or a
Speaker 10: sprinkles system. They'll build it to seventy two feets so
Speaker 10: they don't have to put that extra money into and crazy,
Speaker 10: So they've they're finding whelways about it. For the most part,
Speaker 10: we're pretty agressive, so we want you know, since Hurricane
Speaker 10: Andrew and that stuff, they they're pretty proactive and making
Speaker 10: sure that these buildings can sprinkle as much as they can.
Speaker 12: So well, that's that's what what I like is what
Speaker 12: you're still doing down there is the masonry units, the
Speaker 12: masonry walls that are going up, because that's the best
Speaker 12: protection from my point of view.
Speaker 11: I mean, you just see it over and over again.
Speaker 10: This is just this is not you know, this is
Speaker 10: a multi story if you will type, but it's CBS
Speaker 10: block hurricane windows. You know, they're encapsulated in balconies all
Speaker 10: the way up. Kind of touching on what Hank was
Speaker 10: talking about earlier. Every every apartment is pretty much set
Speaker 10: the same on every floor is almost identical. You know,
Speaker 10: we tell everybody go to the floor below for you
Speaker 10: layout and make your way up to the fire floor,
Speaker 10: et cetera. But that's what it's very common is to
Speaker 10: see what you see here.
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, And that's good construction, both for storm prep
Speaker 12: and for and for fire safety. You know, contains the
Speaker 12: fire tends to be contained.
Speaker 5: You know, compartmental, mentalized, I can't even say it. So
Speaker 5: it becomes a room and content fire basically, and uh,
Speaker 5: you know it gets up in the roof for it
Speaker 5: starts on the top floor, then we have to worry
Speaker 5: about it, go and left and right.
Speaker 1: Almost like a project fire.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: And it's the same type of construction really.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, all that hurricane uh preparation or the block with
Speaker 6: the with the rebarrow and the hurricane windows, that is great.
Speaker 6: But the thing that that is bad is like where
Speaker 6: we grow up. You could have a stick frame house
Speaker 6: with two by two by six is two by eighth,
Speaker 6: two by tens is your rafter is everything down here?
Speaker 6: The house could be built like a tank, but once
Speaker 6: it gets to the roof, it's all lightweight. Trust whether
Speaker 6: it's a private dwelling right here, so everything is lightweight trusts.
Speaker 5: You know, same thing here. This is your full lightweight
Speaker 5: trust that is what we have.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: And and you know when you know going in there
Speaker 12: that you you know the clock is ticking. So that's
Speaker 12: that's the big thing. I'm sure if firefighters in Florida
Speaker 12: more aware than anybody as to what they're dealing with
Speaker 12: that you.
Speaker 4: Know, hey, guys, those hurricane windows any have any effect
Speaker 4: on venting or is it harder to break those windows
Speaker 4: or is it?
Speaker 10: Yeah, guys, if they they can a little especially if
Speaker 10: they're an insulated glass where it's it takes a little
Speaker 10: bit a little bit more to get through them. But
Speaker 10: for us, it's it's the guys get gas sometimes just trying.
Speaker 10: If you don't use the right force mil entry technique
Speaker 10: to get through them, you're gonna get your ass kicked
Speaker 10: to be spent special obviously, you know, the time of
Speaker 10: day down here is how does it been? All those
Speaker 10: other factors, But they they're not easy to get through.
Speaker 10: We have some good tools that can you know, you
Speaker 10: can use a skill set bit right through and and
Speaker 10: and cut them out. You know, as long as you
Speaker 10: can use the right tech.
Speaker 4: Really is that what they do?
Speaker 5: Yeah, in the middle of it at all, you're gonna
Speaker 5: get Yeah, well, if somebody doesn't train, you're good. They
Speaker 5: You're gonna tell a guy that's swinging at that wind
Speaker 5: taking down there.
Speaker 4: That's why nobody takes Why everybody's on the roof, that's
Speaker 4: why you guys on the roof. Nobody's taking windows K nine.
Speaker 5: So now you know the little miniature K twelve if
Speaker 5: you will. It's a K nine now nine inch blade
Speaker 5: that we have a general blade on. It cuts right
Speaker 5: through the glass.
Speaker 1: I tell you what.
Speaker 6: It was an eye opener for me the first time
Speaker 6: when I went to a land on there with the
Speaker 6: Orange County Wow and uh and then I think by
Speaker 6: you gons too, with the coral springs they had they
Speaker 6: got they got hurricane glass sliding doors from one of
Speaker 6: the guys donated and to actually, like you said, you're
Speaker 6: not breaking it with a halligaan and.
Speaker 5: Acts and you can, but you're just it's gonna take
Speaker 5: a lot of work, right.
Speaker 6: But even even but it's it's like learning how to
Speaker 6: cut a roll down for us like they were they
Speaker 6: were young firefighters there and then they were cutting it
Speaker 6: with the sword. They cut the left side, the right
Speaker 6: side of the bottom. But then they made a doggy
Speaker 6: doll because it doesn't break, it swings unlam in it.
Speaker 6: So it was like you know, and then they couldn't
Speaker 6: reach a pietough. So like we said, well, let's let's
Speaker 6: talk about this. Let's brainstorm it. I said, you know,
Speaker 6: like cut it like you would have done, make a
Speaker 6: v at the top and then bring it down. And
Speaker 6: they tried that, and then the whole glass door fell in,
Speaker 6: so you didn't have the swinging door, you know, doggy doll.
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's it's tough stuff. It houlds the heat,
Speaker 6: that's for sure.
Speaker 10: It definitely does. Con that's where it influenced. Now you
Speaker 10: talk about tactics and you talk about fire behavior. It
Speaker 10: definitely influenced these these style buildings. You know, doesn't breathe
Speaker 10: so quickly, you know, you know, so that does.
Speaker 4: And you lose that, You lose that that one sense
Speaker 4: of you know, when you're searching hearing that glass break, right,
Speaker 4: that's gone, Well.
Speaker 8: How about getting out if you got to get out
Speaker 8: of there, and that now I can't take the glass
Speaker 8: to get out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you can. It's just it's again it's
Speaker 5: a lot of work, you know, if.
Speaker 4: You don't round are saying his men and then there's
Speaker 4: men roughly don't know if you'll make.
Speaker 1: I didn't think sure.
Speaker 5: I don't want to insault anybody. I'm just saying.
Speaker 6: One other point. Well, because we're talking about trust roofs here,
Speaker 6: and if you're a firefighter now and you don't know
Speaker 6: about lightweight trust and find another profession. But Dennis, you
Speaker 6: and I I remember years ago teaching and we when
Speaker 6: we started teaching about with the lightweight trust, we all
Speaker 6: learned about it because it started here in Florida with
Speaker 6: the Reedy Creek Fire Department by Disney right in the seventies.
Speaker 6: They had the gift shop and they went in. The
Speaker 6: two guys went in with the line. The fire had
Speaker 6: gotten up in the roof, and the whole root lightweight
Speaker 6: with trust collapsed on them and killed them both.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: That's when we everybody started, how did this happen? Oh,
Speaker 6: it's lightweight with trust, and that kind of took all
Speaker 6: from there.
Speaker 12: I was one of the first really publicized incidents of
Speaker 12: a firefighter line of duty death involving trust. They built
Speaker 12: that gift shop back exactly the way it was trust
Speaker 12: and all right after that, so you know, the whole
Speaker 12: idea of being educated about it. No, in the hazards,
Speaker 12: it's real important because you know they're going to have
Speaker 12: that thing rebuilt before your your wife gets your death
Speaker 12: benefit for a while.
Speaker 6: Why aren't they making it in certain places where you
Speaker 6: had to put a placard on it that said, like lightweight,
Speaker 6: would trust roof for something? They were doing that with something.
Speaker 6: I think ai RS in New York if it was yeah.
Speaker 5: That's that's all over in New York.
Speaker 12: I mean, they were quiet to placard it now, you know,
Speaker 12: But I think it's optional for a pre existing condition.
Speaker 12: In other words, if you have a trust building already,
Speaker 12: you know. So there's thousands and thousands of them out there,
Speaker 12: you know. I don't know if they're required to placard it.
Speaker 12: I'm not one hundred percent sure. We were just talking
Speaker 12: about that. I'm not sure how that works because if
Speaker 12: it's a pre pre existing condition, I don't know.
Speaker 11: If that's all right, let's move on to the next one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got this one for you. We're going to
Speaker 5: do some tactics on this. Oh my god, where is
Speaker 5: that Lego Land Montreal.
Speaker 12: Oh my god, there's a building on Leonard Street that
Speaker 12: looks like it could be the father of that building,
Speaker 12: you know, yeah, the Jengle building.
Speaker 11: Right yeah, I think Brian Kelty had that, yes, yes, yeah, So.
Speaker 12: Anyway, uh again, this is just you know, he's a
Speaker 12: going to partm It's like I said, the quad, you know,
Speaker 12: you see you can see the entrances a little better.
Speaker 12: But like I said, it's they were modular. That's another
Speaker 12: big thing with these particular buildings. And my mother was
Speaker 12: was amazed at the fire and went in there.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 12: It's like the laughing stock of my whole family. I
Speaker 12: can't believe those people went in there to put that
Speaker 12: fire out.
Speaker 4: You know, like that, you know, I am.
Speaker 11: So anyway, joke, know what she's doing.
Speaker 1: Back there there? What is she doing back there?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 12: Next time, nice drapped metal on that. So again, knowing
Speaker 12: your buildings, knowing how they're constructed, knowing the building codes
Speaker 12: and which ones fit into each group, you know, that's important.
Speaker 12: We're not going to get into that here. But the
Speaker 12: upper picture here is a very good photograph, very clear
Speaker 12: photograph of a podium style building. I think it's only
Speaker 12: one story. It looks like it might be parking on
Speaker 12: the first floor with apartments above. So this this building
Speaker 12: is going up everywhere now, all over the country.
Speaker 5: Right now, yep.
Speaker 11: And they're very popular.
Speaker 12: And you know, again, all I can say is they
Speaker 12: have a lot of similarities with the exception of the
Speaker 12: podium portion, the concrete.
Speaker 11: Lower floor portion with that Edgewater, New Jersey building.
Speaker 5: So be prepared.
Speaker 12: And then you go to the other end of the
Speaker 12: spectrum to fire resistive, like this hospital near me, which
Speaker 12: is very well built, steel, skelt and masonry, you know,
Speaker 12: the whole thing. It's it's what a hospital should be,
Speaker 12: you know, as far as its construction goes.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, there's parking what to the which one the
Speaker 10: ones that they have built by me, they attach a
Speaker 10: parking garage to these.
Speaker 12: The ones by us, but a lot of them have
Speaker 12: parking garages in the basement and.
Speaker 11: On the first five Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: The potential that's probably below.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So here you go going apartments like we were
Speaker 11: just talking about. Yeah, and this is this is everywhere.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a tourist right there. Bro, it's an old picture.
Speaker 12: A bunch of my colleagues is that this is one
Speaker 12: of the slides from the NASA Fire Academy.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 12: But it points this out very well, you know, and
Speaker 12: it's clearly indicated two or three stories in hike, and
Speaker 12: you can see, as Hank was talking about earlier, the
Speaker 12: entrances lined up the way they are. There's all different configurations.
Speaker 12: We just saw ones where they were two in the
Speaker 12: middle and then one on you know, ninety degrees on
Speaker 12: either side. But there's all sorts of different configurations. But again,
Speaker 12: one of this decates basically for most of the time
Speaker 12: one apartment, one apartment on each floor, and then one
Speaker 12: apartment on the second floor right next line. The same
Speaker 12: thing here. Now this is the differences like townhouses. I
Speaker 12: think this is my son's development where he lives, but
Speaker 12: I'm not sure. But you can see what the division
Speaker 12: the dividing walls are exactly what you see, and up
Speaker 12: in the attic you'll see them extending up to that point,
Speaker 12: you know, and whether they go to the bottom where
Speaker 12: they go through. These obviously go to the bottom. But
Speaker 12: you can't from the outside tell whether, like guns I
Speaker 12: was saying, whether they're masonary walls or whether they're gypsum walls,
Speaker 12: you know, doubled up one in sheet rock, which basically
Speaker 12: gives you that rating. And they generally you can tell
Speaker 12: their separate utilities for each that's an easy way to
Speaker 12: pick it out. But our next line, okay, same thing here,
Speaker 12: you know, but the difference is the doors. You know, again,
Speaker 12: one unit, one unit, one family lives in that entire
Speaker 12: section between the yellow lines, all right, and that yeah,
Speaker 12: that's okay, But that was what I was getting at before.
Speaker 12: You notice how the roof lines here are staggered. Okay,
Speaker 12: that's that's the firewar. That's how you can tell it's
Speaker 12: a firewall. All right, it's generally intact. And that's that's
Speaker 12: what they do. They stagger at that one picture at
Speaker 12: the beginning, those were all staggered.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 11: It's just an easy way for them to to put
Speaker 11: a firewar.
Speaker 5: And how do we identify that pre planned get out?
Speaker 5: Get out there? Maybe oh bell, yeah, we got.
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 8: If you're taking and you're on the on the take,
Speaker 8: you know, then it's all right, Andy k swimming and
Speaker 8: miss he struck him out.
Speaker 12: Every ten years, that seems to happen, right, It's like
Speaker 12: a ten year cycle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to take an interest in this when
Speaker 6: it's going up, not just after it. That's exactly I'm saying,
Speaker 6: because once it's up and then you pull up to this,
Speaker 6: you're never going to know whether did they put a
Speaker 6: masonry wall? Is a double gypsum, you know, And that's
Speaker 6: a great opportunity for fire officers to be taking pictures
Speaker 6: to drill on later. And when you fire fighters get
Speaker 6: there after it's built, they can say this is in
Speaker 6: our district, and this is this is what you know
Speaker 6: aur was built, and this is how fire's gonna spread.
Speaker 8: So Hank Garo's pictures were still on the computer when
Speaker 8: when I got there in O nine back when I
Speaker 8: came back, they were.
Speaker 1: Still on there.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 6: You know you know how it's built.
Speaker 12: Mm hmm yeah, because what you have today it it
Speaker 12: might sleep for decades before you actually have an incident
Speaker 12: in it.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 11: I used to always say, you know, my training's out here.
Speaker 12: I would say, you know, this stuff goes into computer
Speaker 12: and we might not need it until the guy and
Speaker 12: I'll point to the prob.
Speaker 11: Until a little.
Speaker 12: Tommy here who just joined last week is the chief.
Speaker 12: You know that maybe the next time we need to
Speaker 12: use this. But it's true because it just goes It's
Speaker 12: like it goes to sleep, you know, and unless the
Speaker 12: senior men in the offices walk it up and go,
Speaker 12: you know what the problem is with that building? You
Speaker 12: know what the major safety issue is there, you know.
Speaker 12: And with all of these, the biggest thing is the interior,
Speaker 12: which we didn't even talk about. It's just like a
Speaker 12: private dwell and the open interior stairs that carries the
Speaker 12: products and combustion upstairs. And then the other stuff comes
Speaker 12: into play, the compartmentalization, like Gonzo said, Uh, the the
Speaker 12: common cockloft if it gets up there, how How.
Speaker 11: How well secured is that cocklift?
Speaker 5: How?
Speaker 12: And that goes back to what Hank just said about
Speaker 12: seeing it when it's installed. And I got a couple
Speaker 12: of good slides. Hopefully we get to them of a
Speaker 12: building in Queens that was going up and didn't do
Speaker 12: such a great job. So they haven't had an incident
Speaker 12: in it, but we'll see. So move on to the
Speaker 12: next line.
Speaker 1: And here it is.
Speaker 12: That's exactly what I was talking of. So so I
Speaker 12: got a I got three real experienced people here. What
Speaker 12: is the problem in this in this this building is
Speaker 12: under construction. This has been occupied for twenty five years now.
Speaker 12: The web, right, somebody, somebody lives here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is going on the.
Speaker 5: Web using that they're using that isn't b board for
Speaker 5: the web and the trust.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's certainly part of it. All lightweight components.
Speaker 12: It's a huge, huge quad uh lightweight wood trusts as
Speaker 12: a ridge pole.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 11: But this that's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 14: This is that stuck on the insulation. Now what is
Speaker 14: that thing on the tough one?
Speaker 11: Where are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: Right now? You have you have insulation that's still creating
Speaker 6: a void for travel to spread where the two by
Speaker 6: four walls are. You got t J I as as
Speaker 6: your your floor joys or your ceiling raft is there
Speaker 6: wherever the ticos are holding in. So that's just you know,
Speaker 6: and then obviously you got the gusset plates that are
Speaker 6: holding together. It is this lightweight would trust that with
Speaker 6: a little bit of fire, you know, it's gonna h
Speaker 6: wish I could zoom in on that, you know, I.
Speaker 11: Mean, it's okay, I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell you, Uh,
Speaker 11: it's not going up to the top. Yeah, that's exactly it.
Speaker 11: That's exactly it.
Speaker 12: So this is getting back to the point earlier about
Speaker 12: what the quality is of the firewalls and the partitions
Speaker 12: between the between the units. And like Hank said, you
Speaker 12: got to get in there when it's under construction. So Brian,
Speaker 12: Hicky and I stopped because it was on our way home,
Speaker 12: you know. And uh, when when we first started working
Speaker 12: together downtown and we said, there's this new complex was
Speaker 12: at the Northern State Parkway and the Grand Central Parkway
Speaker 12: is the old seminary property there, and they built I
Speaker 12: don't know how many forty or fifty beautiful, very upscale townhouses.
Speaker 12: This is the attic of one of them, so peaked
Speaker 12: roof you can see all the components. The components itself,
Speaker 12: like you guys pointed out, are plenty enough to worry about.
Speaker 12: But that green board is that insulation, that's uh, that's
Speaker 12: ships and boarders, that's the firewall. And they just and
Speaker 12: they managed to do a great job getting it in,
Speaker 12: getting it corked, getting it compliant, except they just in
Speaker 12: every unit we went in the space, Yeah, they.
Speaker 5: Couldn't quite get it up. I'm waiting. This is going
Speaker 5: to be a fifth lawn.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a sleeping cap its sleeping sleep.
Speaker 12: Man, it's snoring away. But man, what a surprise. I
Speaker 12: gave this to the Deputy Chief and the division at
Speaker 12: the time.
Speaker 5: Nothing.
Speaker 14: Heck, have you ever seen trusses married up like that?
Speaker 1: Like there's four or five of them there? How many
Speaker 1: of that?
Speaker 5: I've never seen six six eight two eight? Yeah, it
Speaker 5: might be the web.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's that big, guys, don't. That's why
Speaker 6: there's so many of them put together, either a two
Speaker 6: by four or two by six.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'd say two by six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've never seen that before. And they're not
Speaker 1: resting on anything.
Speaker 5: Looks like it actually looks like it is. I thought
Speaker 5: the same thing.
Speaker 4: Places on it.
Speaker 6: They're resting on the two by it has to be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's amazing, right right, And then.
Speaker 6: The other two by fours are just there to give
Speaker 6: structural strength between the webs. But the bottom, the bottom
Speaker 6: cord is west is resting on a column.
Speaker 4: I say.
Speaker 8: It does look like that, Yeah, yeah it is because
Speaker 8: the one is different colors, you know, like flat.
Speaker 6: Right, there's five two by fours that it's sitting on.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen that like that.
Speaker 11: Yeah, No, it's very unusual.
Speaker 12: Brian Hickey and I were talking about it the rest
Speaker 12: of the way home, and we're going, man, this is
Speaker 12: going to kill somebody. I mean, this is unbelievable. But
Speaker 12: you know, but it's out there, and it's it's not
Speaker 12: the only example of things like this.
Speaker 11: It's sleeping, yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 6: You know the reason I would have to be that
Speaker 6: big because it's probably spanning a tremendous uh area, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: it was what distance.
Speaker 12: These were big luxury buildings, I mean, and uh but
Speaker 12: rows of them, you know, ros them.
Speaker 11: I have more pictures of it.
Speaker 1: We took.
Speaker 5: I took like twenty.
Speaker 6: Thirty like you said, the weakness there besides the the
Speaker 6: gust plates.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and somebody graduated a.
Speaker 6: Quarter inch the thing falls out and then it's just
Speaker 6: it's a domino.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 12: The first ones were actually occupied when we went to this,
Speaker 12: and you know, I mean two two, yeah, this is
Speaker 12: that's that's the same thing. These are these are these
Speaker 12: are ones in the same development that are not quite
Speaker 12: as far along. So if you look real closely where
Speaker 12: the vertical wall is on the left hand side of
Speaker 12: the picture, you'll see that same gypsum.
Speaker 11: Board doubled up I think one inch.
Speaker 12: If you look over to the right when the ladder
Speaker 12: is the work ladder that you know, the manufactured ladder. Uh,
Speaker 12: there's the other one right there, doubled up one inch.
Speaker 12: That's the firewall right on either side between units. And
Speaker 12: again everything it's a lumber yard, you know, uh, built
Speaker 12: on a slab. But everyone that we went in had
Speaker 12: that little gap at the top, you know, so the
Speaker 12: drywall contractor really needed some work.
Speaker 11: I mean again, was I there when they sold it
Speaker 11: and they opened it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 12: Did they finish it right? I tend to doubt it
Speaker 12: because we saw one like that. I think that one
Speaker 12: that we just saw, the previous slide may have been
Speaker 12: in a unit that had been sold already but not occupied.
Speaker 6: So in the city of New York, and I think
Speaker 6: it's still the same. And I don't know. Like down
Speaker 6: by UK, we are guns, but you know, large commercial
Speaker 6: high rise and stuff. When it comes time they have
Speaker 6: to have a separate fire inspection as far as for
Speaker 6: fire retard and you know, anytime there's a penetration and
Speaker 6: they have to use a certain amount of a certain
Speaker 6: type of quark and everything. But here these guys, these
Speaker 6: architects can self self certified, So I mean, yeah, they're
Speaker 6: they're kind of liable because they're putting the name to it.
Speaker 12: But we all know that.
Speaker 6: You know, sometimes there's an envelope that comes across the
Speaker 6: table and you know, once the walls closed up, it's
Speaker 6: like no harm, no.
Speaker 4: Foul, right exactly, you know the cutout for I know,
Speaker 4: I was like, man, builders, curse this whole arm in that.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's an abortion.
Speaker 12: That thing on the right, I think I should I
Speaker 12: think I showed you a picture of the building on
Speaker 12: the left with the cutout with the with the what
Speaker 12: do you call it the ductwork going through it. There
Speaker 12: was a there was a this building on the left
Speaker 12: had a cutout for a c duct work that was
Speaker 12: almost the entire diameter of the wet you know, so
Speaker 12: it was, uh so, where's it gonna fail? And then
Speaker 12: look a look at the end wall. The end wall
Speaker 12: is Sea Joyce metal. You were talking about metal Sea
Speaker 12: Joys earlier. You know, that's that's the bearing wall on this,
Speaker 12: you know, so not hard to see. And then when
Speaker 12: you see them really yeah, you know, you know you
Speaker 12: know what these are?
Speaker 6: Why flood braced right there? Because they need to get
Speaker 6: some more, some more in there to hold a damn
Speaker 6: platform up.
Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly, And these were in one seventy six is
Speaker 12: first to area about three blocks in the firehouse. The
Speaker 12: guy told us that the reason they one of the
Speaker 12: reasons that they used the metal see joys on the
Speaker 12: baring walls is like Gonza was saying in Florida, and
Speaker 12: they used the masonry units to send the blocks right. Well,
Speaker 12: here they were able to. This is what happens with
Speaker 12: the codes. They're different from place to place. They're trying
Speaker 12: to change that and they have to a certain extent.
Speaker 12: But this is what was allowed. It was like the
Speaker 12: wild while west back and this was in the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 12: the early nineties, right.
Speaker 11: But this guy told me because.
Speaker 12: This was an entire block of these, he said, by
Speaker 12: doing that, by getting away from the cinder blocks, they
Speaker 12: picked up enough space between each unit for an entire
Speaker 12: city block a long block to put.
Speaker 1: Up another unit, another building.
Speaker 5: Yeah, another building. So that's like the building code seventy
Speaker 5: five feet. We need a spickle system. Yeah. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: just went the other way with that one.
Speaker 6: And the other.
Speaker 12: The other picture speaks for itself. All I have to
Speaker 12: say is thank God, craftsmanship isn't dead, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, those with those joys, you're allowed to make a
Speaker 6: penetration one third of the diameter of the joist without
Speaker 6: affecting its strength integrity. So right right there, you've got
Speaker 6: two tandem where they have no you know, the one
Speaker 6: they cut the whole top cord off and then basically
Speaker 6: the whole web.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the top corner.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's little integrity there, and the other one, the
Speaker 6: whole web is cut out. So there's there's hardly any
Speaker 6: structural integrity there. You get any fire in there, and
Speaker 6: it's just going.
Speaker 4: That's a beauty.
Speaker 12: Without a debt. Let me just see if I can
Speaker 12: find where the other Oh these are your sea joyce.
Speaker 12: Now these were in a These these were brand new,
Speaker 12: These were in the city. This was in a renovated
Speaker 12: tenement on Eastern Parkway in Brooklyn, the one picture on
Speaker 12: the left right. So how did these buildings perform?
Speaker 5: I forget.
Speaker 12: I had to go to a meeting one day and
Speaker 12: Brian Hicky and I were working together, So I think
Speaker 12: it might have been Ray Goldback or Eddie Garerty said
Speaker 12: they had a they had like a third alarm in
Speaker 12: Sunset Park last night. But they said there was a
Speaker 12: big issue with some new type of construction and also
Speaker 12: in a renovation. Right.
Speaker 11: This is the building on the right is the aftermath
Speaker 11: of the second alarm in Sunset Park where these were
Speaker 11: used in a renovation, right, not not in a new building,
Speaker 11: not in new construction. And look at how they behaved
Speaker 11: at that second alarm. All right, they look like spaghetti right.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 12: So you know I thought when I first yeah, I
Speaker 12: thought when I first saw them that, you know, not
Speaker 12: a performer, right, And then you see it now and
Speaker 12: all every fire with these things.
Speaker 5: Looks like that.
Speaker 6: You know, that's an interesting picture. If you look at Dennis,
Speaker 6: the one where the see joysts are all you know,
Speaker 6: the form, that's an old frame next to it.
Speaker 12: Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I believe the firebuilding
Speaker 12: was a renovated frame.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: So for you New York guys that are watching the
Speaker 6: young ones, when you talk about the frame, and it's
Speaker 6: talking about brick nogging in between you you know, the units,
Speaker 6: that's what all that is what you see in between
Speaker 6: those charred wouldn't uh you know, wouldn't uh studs, that's
Speaker 6: brick nogging that's supposed to keep fire from spreading into
Speaker 6: the next building. But you know, when it's one hundred
Speaker 6: years old and the mortars dried out, and you see
Speaker 6: they just used all old bricks and stuff. You could
Speaker 6: see how easily fire, you know, fire could you know,
Speaker 6: spread through.
Speaker 5: That it's another building.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yeah, so that's you know that it was
Speaker 6: a newly renovated building next to that old frame.
Speaker 11: Right exactly.
Speaker 12: I just you know, don't be deceived like like I
Speaker 12: was the first time I saw this, And I said,
Speaker 12: which I saw at in new construction. We were able
Speaker 12: to walk through it, But I said, now, who knows,
Speaker 12: you know, because we had no experience with it. I
Speaker 12: don't think anybody did at that point. And I don't
Speaker 12: think this will be that bad. It's you know, it's noncombustible,
Speaker 12: and man, you see it gets exposed to heat, it wilts,
Speaker 12: you know, it just wilts right away, all right.
Speaker 5: So what do we have to do.
Speaker 12: We were talking about it a little earlier. You know,
Speaker 12: I've I've always loved this. That's saying is the single
Speaker 12: best life saving action is a well placed hose line.
Speaker 11: Put it, put it out before it kills somebody or
Speaker 11: it comes looking for us. And uh and that's it.
Speaker 12: You know, we we we tend to get a little
Speaker 12: we overthink things sometimes today, uh as to what we
Speaker 12: should be doing and just you know, go back to
Speaker 12: basics and get the line into operation. You know, you
Speaker 12: can't stress that enough. You know, it's just get that,
Speaker 12: get that first line operating.
Speaker 6: Wet stuff on the red stuff right now.
Speaker 4: It's an old picture, five man engine.
Speaker 5: Yeah here right, yeah, but that's what it says.
Speaker 12: You know, they did a lot of studies with that,
Speaker 12: and that's how they were able to justify five man
Speaker 12: five man staffing and uh, you know, get to remember
Speaker 12: one of those guys as the pump operator. So it's
Speaker 12: four guys to stretch. And even today when it's a
Speaker 12: four man engine and it's three man's three men stretching.
Speaker 5: What does the job do?
Speaker 12: The job requires companies, especially for the first line, because
Speaker 12: the job is emphasizing get the first line. That they
Speaker 12: that they team up engine companies. That's requiet today.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 11: So that was we were doing that before I retire.
Speaker 11: You know, it was like oh a second do was stuck?
Speaker 4: You know, it's just unless you that don't go right,
Speaker 4: don't go allegedly allegedly.
Speaker 12: So so but what I'm what I'm saying, you know what, again,
Speaker 12: for around the country, we get spoiled in New York
Speaker 12: because you know, we do have decent staffing. That's one
Speaker 12: of the things I've always, you know, said, when when
Speaker 12: I've I've spoken or talked to guys from around the country,
Speaker 12: we're spoiled. You know, you go to a place like
Speaker 12: where Gonzo works, it's a completely different ball game. It's
Speaker 12: a completely different ballgame.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 12: I always remember going to Disney once with my kids,
Speaker 12: and you know, we were never like off duty. And
Speaker 12: you know, you pull up to a light and a
Speaker 12: lot of truck pulls up next to me, and I'm
Speaker 12: looking at how many guys are in the back of
Speaker 12: this thing, you know, I'm looking.
Speaker 5: At it one Maybe anyway you might get a second one.
Speaker 12: This is the number one tourist destination in the United States.
Speaker 12: They are printing money basically in this town, you know,
Speaker 12: and they can only afford one firefighter.
Speaker 11: In the back.
Speaker 12: Now, the average person doesn't know anything. They know that
Speaker 12: there's the firefighter, and there's there's firefighters on the fire truck.
Speaker 5: We're good.
Speaker 12: But we all know when we look at these buildings
Speaker 12: that we're staying in and we go this is a standpipe.
Speaker 12: This is you know, this is a major, major UH
Speaker 12: commitment of manpower just to.
Speaker 5: Search this place.
Speaker 12: But if there isn't it, you know, so it's it's
Speaker 12: there's a lot of smoking mirrors going on these days.
Speaker 5: Five more, Darren, at least five more, five more.
Speaker 6: Hated. You said that we're spoiled. I don't think we're spoiled.
Speaker 6: I think we're staffed the way you should be staffed. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you're right, you're and you know I want you know,
Speaker 6: we've got friends all over now, you know, Carolina is
Speaker 6: in Florida, and I would say, man, you know, I
Speaker 6: can't believe you're getting it done with with this small
Speaker 6: amount of guys you have.
Speaker 10: Well, it's just about calling the UH the alums early
Speaker 10: and you know, you kill it with manpower with a
Speaker 10: few trucks. You know, we'll kill it with man power
Speaker 10: with several several trucks kind of thing, because you need
Speaker 10: the body.
Speaker 6: The problem with that is also a distance, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 6: it takes longer to get the guys there.
Speaker 4: About places that are even more roll than where Gonzo is.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're ryan with nobody, man, I mean, they're
Speaker 4: waiting a while for somebody else to come in.
Speaker 5: Light were just a driver, you go.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, because I think in New
Speaker 6: York it was always the dispatchers had a lot of leeway.
Speaker 6: If they would get numerous calls and you could hit
Speaker 6: the phone ring and they would tell the chief, going, listen, Chief,
Speaker 6: we're getting numerous calls. We're giving you an extra engine
Speaker 6: and truck or you know whatever. I've never you know,
Speaker 6: I've been in firehouses down here, and I've never liked
Speaker 6: Is it that strict that they don't give the dispatches
Speaker 6: or the dispatches just aren't into the job that way
Speaker 6: to get there and then make that decision okay, now
Speaker 6: we need more units.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 10: It's it's changing a little bit, but for the most
Speaker 10: part of the dispatches they have a strict way that
Speaker 10: they go. And if it's something like that where they're
Speaker 10: gett multiple phone calls, they'll they'll dispatch the first along
Speaker 10: assignment and then so by the way, chief, we're getting
Speaker 10: received numerous phone calls on that and the chief's paying attention,
Speaker 10: which most of us are paying attention, they'll upgrade the
Speaker 10: assignment and send a nexture engine or a rescue or
Speaker 10: something like that to start until we get somebody on scene.
Speaker 5: But that's usually how it is.
Speaker 10: But the dispatchers don't have the freedom too, because you
Speaker 10: guys operate completely different. I wish they had a little
Speaker 10: bit more freedom to do that and and you know,
Speaker 10: make those judgment calls when they get the information firsthand.
Speaker 10: We have a lot of new dispatchers too that we're
Speaker 10: trying to train, so we're trying we're dealing with that
Speaker 10: transition as well now too. But to answer your question,
Speaker 10: is it's really you know, up to the chief if
Speaker 10: they provide the right information on dispatch, because.
Speaker 6: I mean at a minute or two, you know, getting
Speaker 6: a rig roll and you know that much sooner.
Speaker 8: Yeah, difference in your initial like Frank you said, you
Speaker 8: can always turn them back, Yeah, always turn them back.
Speaker 11: Yeah, get getting water on the fire is is there?
Speaker 6: It's one on one.
Speaker 4: Solve a lot of problems.
Speaker 12: Yeah, next slide, next things better, But we still have
Speaker 12: the rescue problem, like you see problems, Yeah, big problems, right,
Speaker 12: and then you know removing civilians right there that now
Speaker 12: you now your hose operation comes to a grinding wault
Speaker 12: if you've only got one one unit. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 12: that's the classic promotional exam question. What do you do
Speaker 12: you pull up and there's somebody hanging out a window
Speaker 12: like the picture on the right. Uh, but you've got
Speaker 12: to you're an engine company. You got to stretch the line.
Speaker 5: So what do you do?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 12: So that that's always been an issue in the fire service,
Speaker 12: you know, going back forever. I always remember reading an
Speaker 12: article about the Lady of Angels fire in Chicago and
Speaker 12: the first two the first two officer on the first
Speaker 12: two engine was pillaried initially because he stretched the line,
Speaker 12: and he stretched the line in when they were you know,
Speaker 12: they were dropping kids out of the upper floors, right.
Speaker 12: But in hindsight, he did exactly the right thing because
Speaker 12: he got in there and he was able to start
Speaker 12: knocking the fire down, and by putting that line where
Speaker 12: he put it, he saved an additional number of people
Speaker 12: who would have perished if he had for.
Speaker 8: The reason you just said that in two seconds ago, right,
Speaker 8: get the line in operation.
Speaker 1: It's exactly more lives than uh, you know, but.
Speaker 12: We still are going to have we're still going to
Speaker 12: have the rescue problems, you know, And this is what
Speaker 12: this is the one thing that bothers me with lightweight
Speaker 12: construction is it's all okay, it's manageable.
Speaker 11: It's manageable. It's manageable.
Speaker 12: Like we're talking now, right, all right, we've thought about it,
Speaker 12: we're aware of it, we're gonna we know how to
Speaker 12: handle it. But it's always at two o'clock in the
Speaker 12: morning or one o'clock in the afternoon, that understaffed engine
Speaker 12: turns the corner. And now mom is on the front
Speaker 12: lawn and this building which we have no intention of
Speaker 12: going into because it's so hazardous because of the way
Speaker 12: they built it. Now now, now two kids are in there,
Speaker 12: you know, And that's what always happens. And then we
Speaker 12: got then we got to be firefighters, you know, then
Speaker 12: we gotta Now we're not, you know, we want to
Speaker 12: be safety advocates. We want to do things safely. We
Speaker 12: want to everybody go home, all this stuff. But mom
Speaker 12: is on the front lawn, two kids are in there.
Speaker 5: You know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 12: So next lefe, there's a fire up by us again,
Speaker 12: same kind of thing, you know, guarding apartments. Uh, life
Speaker 12: hazard is I believe Jericho and New York. Uh, But
Speaker 12: again void spaces fire can really extend, and it did,
Speaker 12: and unprotected cock loft fanatic spaces, which you know are
Speaker 12: going to vary in the type of compartmentation that they
Speaker 12: have to limit the spread. You know, it's going to
Speaker 12: vary from from even in the same municipality. Generation of buildings,
Speaker 12: you know, buildings that were built forty years ago, fifty
Speaker 12: years ago are gonna have a different level of fire
Speaker 12: protection and the buildings that were built today, you know,
Speaker 12: so and you have to be aware of it. And again,
Speaker 12: getting back to what we've been saying over and over again,
Speaker 12: you got to get out, you got to inspect them,
Speaker 12: you got to be aware of the hazards.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Lou, I mean sorry, that's over note.
Speaker 11: Okay, So what do we do?
Speaker 12: You know, the general tactics are get a line into
Speaker 12: operation and then flank the fire on either side to
Speaker 12: keep it from extending pair, you know, out past the building.
Speaker 12: So to do that, you know, to the exposures, the
Speaker 12: exposures on the right and your left, you know, And
Speaker 12: that's easier said and done. Again, think about the amount
Speaker 12: of empower. It's a full line fire, as we said earlier,
Speaker 12: you know, at least a full line fire what kind
Speaker 12: of resources do you need on seen in your organization
Speaker 12: to be able to do that, to be able to
Speaker 12: to to get that kind of efficiency and get that
Speaker 12: kind of water on the fire, and to be able
Speaker 12: to confine and extinguish the fire. You know, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 12: very often it's gonna be. But sometimes when you know,
Speaker 12: if it hasn't, let's say it's in the original the
Speaker 12: original townhouse, and it's up and into the attic, you
Speaker 12: can get into the exposures without much problem, get start
Speaker 12: to get the ceilings down and apply water to keep
Speaker 12: it from spreading. But again, if you don't have the
Speaker 12: resources to do that, you're absolutely right. Gun, So oh,
Speaker 12: you're absolutely right. It's it's gonna be a tower. And
Speaker 12: in some places you know it is from the get.
Speaker 1: Gun face something like that.
Speaker 10: I mean, for us, so you're talking about tactics, something
Speaker 10: that's coming through the roof, were more than likely we're
Speaker 10: not going in. It's going to be immediately a surround
Speaker 10: the drought, our taxes if we can't handle it, because
Speaker 10: our engines carry on a thousand gallons of water on
Speaker 10: all of them. So if we can't hit it with
Speaker 10: the first two un scene it's going to a defensive operation.
Speaker 10: We're not even going you know, with staffing everything too.
Speaker 4: I've been watching a lot of videos putting these videos
Speaker 4: together for the couple of Joes that I do, and
Speaker 4: I think one of the most underused tools is the
Speaker 4: deck gun because I see it a lot, like in
Speaker 4: Harrisburg where they do a lot of they do a
Speaker 4: lot of work. They'll have three buildings going and only
Speaker 4: one engines on site, and I don't know how many
Speaker 4: guys they ride with, and they're calling, you know, get
Speaker 4: the dock deck gun, Get the deck gun, and the
Speaker 4: Shoff climbs up there and he knocks down a lot
Speaker 4: of fire with the deck gun before the guys can
Speaker 4: get in there and stretch a light.
Speaker 10: Depending on the tank water, you know, they we got
Speaker 10: a good minute burst, you know for some of us
Speaker 10: two minutes after, just.
Speaker 4: Enough to knock get down so just for another engine
Speaker 4: to come in and get the line stretched or whatever
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 1: But we used to practice. It was like one of
Speaker 1: the first things we did. It became the squad right
Speaker 1: cat Murphy Cash. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 8: We had to shut off on the top so you
Speaker 8: could shut you know, you could start it then run
Speaker 8: up and then open it up, you know, I remember.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and that's the you know, what are they calling
Speaker 12: it now, transitional attack or whatever, but Wood's attack whiskers, Yeah,
Speaker 12: I know, and and and it's like, you know, there
Speaker 12: are times for everything, you know, I don't I don't
Speaker 12: agree with that, like for a one room fire now.
Speaker 11: But I got a picture of a house going.
Speaker 12: I don't know if we'll get to it, but over
Speaker 12: the summer that we used the deck gun and the
Speaker 12: fire was knocked down in thirty seconds to a minute.
Speaker 12: I mean, I think more on the thirty second end.
Speaker 12: And it was it was a fully involved house fire.
Speaker 12: It went from being an expand operation to an operation
Speaker 12: now that was contained and mopped up with hand lines
Speaker 12: pretty much. I think we used the towel adder for
Speaker 12: a little bit and then and then they mopped it
Speaker 12: up with hand lines. But again using the right tool
Speaker 12: at the right time.
Speaker 6: You know that.
Speaker 12: That's that's important. If you you know what you want
Speaker 12: to skip to that because we don't have that much
Speaker 12: time left. I'll show you what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Uh, go to go to thirty five stand by boom.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's a perfect job for that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, just protect the exposures at that point,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So this is this is three thirty in the afternoon, okay,
Speaker 12: on a weekday. The story is that this fire started
Speaker 12: on the outside, somewhere on the on the side we're
Speaker 12: looking at.
Speaker 11: The closest exposure was on the two side on the
Speaker 11: b side right, and.
Speaker 12: That was getting ready to go sighting was burnt off
Speaker 12: of the house that's on the exposure foreside that we're
Speaker 12: looking at here.
Speaker 5: People are home for this.
Speaker 12: There's a grandmother watching her granddaughter in the house. And
Speaker 12: luckily there was a contractor across the street that was
Speaker 12: putting a driveway in or something, and the guys ran
Speaker 12: across the street and were able to get the people
Speaker 12: out the back door. They didn't even know the fire.
Speaker 12: The house was on fire, so it's all on the outside.
Speaker 12: So it's a little deceiving looking at it. But it's
Speaker 12: not on the outside anymore looking at this picture, because
Speaker 12: it got right into the cock loft and the attic,
Speaker 12: i should say, and it was just fully involved. So anyway,
Speaker 12: the engine gets in and just like what I was
Speaker 12: gonna say, this picture was taken by a neighbor across
Speaker 12: the street, so next line. So these guys came in.
Speaker 11: This is the first two.
Speaker 12: Engine on the left, and they get on the hydrant.
Speaker 11: For one, you know, luck is on our side. The
Speaker 11: hydrant is diagonally across the street.
Speaker 6: Oh, they hit it.
Speaker 12: They hit it with this deck gun. And like I said,
Speaker 12: they had a great water supply. The hydrant was right there,
Speaker 12: and this thing.
Speaker 11: Was knocked down. That kind of fire was knocked down.
Speaker 12: In thirty seconds to a minute, mopped up with that
Speaker 12: towel ladder and hand lines and literally this operation was
Speaker 12: under control in twenty minutes, you know, from what you
Speaker 12: just saw. But again, like you guys were talking about before, Yeah,
Speaker 12: and that could have that could have been an expanding
Speaker 12: operation into into two different homes, you know, other than
Speaker 12: you know that we tend to look at the the tactics,
Speaker 12: but we we don't look at the big picture, the
Speaker 12: strategy of confining it, you know. And uh, and they
Speaker 12: they eliminated that boom and then the first hand line
Speaker 12: went and protected the exposure.
Speaker 11: So boom, that problem now is not And you know
Speaker 11: he can ask Gonzo, he's the chief.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 12: Now, all of a sudden, it's a very different fire problem.
Speaker 12: It's a very different fire problem. It's completely changed, you know.
Speaker 12: And like you said, you got a thousand gallons. You know,
Speaker 12: these guys are running with like six fifty or whatever,
Speaker 12: and that put that you so, so yeah, this is
Speaker 12: this is about six fifty this truck. But but uh,
Speaker 12: you know a thousand you're going to really make a
Speaker 12: dent today. You know you got to you know, even
Speaker 12: even using a master stream.
Speaker 14: So but if you're an engine shoa, you have to
Speaker 14: have that in your like you said, you got that
Speaker 14: in your head.
Speaker 4: Bro, you the guy my brother comes to the window,
Speaker 4: and you can and you can.
Speaker 8: Exactly somebody I a civilian, yeah, anybody. I'm not saying
Speaker 8: you have to throw it in the window every time
Speaker 8: you pull up. I'm just saying, like you have to
Speaker 8: have that well because you when you're the show for
Speaker 8: you have you can get there in ten seconds.
Speaker 1: You open it, you're up there, it's operating.
Speaker 4: I used to charge the car fire the trash line
Speaker 4: in the front, that small I used to charge once
Speaker 4: I got water for the guys, I would stretch that,
Speaker 4: charge it and leave it right by my pump pedal. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean unless somebody else run a line. If you
Speaker 4: read you're just sitting there doing nothing. Yeah, so you
Speaker 4: might as well.
Speaker 11: You know, and you got it.
Speaker 5: You got it.
Speaker 12: And if something goes wrong, something that we're not expecting,
Speaker 12: you've got something to handle it right there.
Speaker 6: So I have no problem with that with the private,
Speaker 6: private dwelling. But I'm having an internal conflict right now.
Speaker 6: Can we go back to slide twenty five?
Speaker 5: Most certainly.
Speaker 4: We have an internal conflict.
Speaker 6: Yeah, hold on, let's get that because I couldn't let
Speaker 6: go let it go by without some clarification. So Gonzo
Speaker 6: and this is this is not I'm not pointing at you,
Speaker 6: but oh yes, you said when it's through the roof,
Speaker 6: you go into an exterior operation.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, unlet's obviously if there's a life hazard or something
Speaker 5: like that, then obviously life.
Speaker 6: Is But my questions so on this type of build,
Speaker 6: when it's a multiple dwelling like this or you know,
Speaker 6: townhouse or with exposure, two is connected, maybe three is
Speaker 6: connected and four is connected. I don't have a problem
Speaker 6: with the X stereor through the roof, but we're still
Speaker 6: going to put our troops are in two and three
Speaker 6: and four with hooks to at least make holes to
Speaker 6: see if that fire is starting to spread, and if
Speaker 6: we have any indication, we're going to be calling for
Speaker 6: lines on the interior to pull those ceilings and stop
Speaker 6: that fire from spreading. Is that correct?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it would be depending on the building construction. Remember
Speaker 10: the concrete structures that they're not really going to go anywhere.
Speaker 10: They may not spread that much further. Yes, it could
Speaker 10: with depending on the firewall where they're building or how
Speaker 10: it's laid out. Yeah, well may try to take a
Speaker 10: defensive stamp and keep it contained to that corner, so
Speaker 10: to speak, but not put it in that area.
Speaker 6: Right, But like I said, any experience I've ever had
Speaker 6: with the garden apartment fire, like I said, they're not
Speaker 6: it's not one unit and then fire stopping it goes
Speaker 6: by Like I said, square footage, you could have three
Speaker 6: or four units and then seventy five hundred square feet
Speaker 6: of that ten thousand square feet. So if the fire
Speaker 6: is gets up in that attic or cockle off whichever,
Speaker 6: you know, if it's peaked or flat, you know, and
Speaker 6: now it's gonna start spreading horizontally, so you know, to me,
Speaker 6: you still got to treat it like a like you
Speaker 6: would have an old cockla fire you gotta get people
Speaker 6: in the adjoining buildings or units and see what's going
Speaker 6: on there, you know, whether and if you got to
Speaker 6: bring an attic ladder or whatever, you got to poke
Speaker 6: a little hole, you got to take your glove off
Speaker 6: and stick your hand up there. You're seeing any red,
Speaker 6: any smoke, you know, because I to me, I have
Speaker 6: a problem. If it's just exterior, we're pushing water, you know,
Speaker 6: we're trying to put this out and in the meantime,
Speaker 6: fire is getting into the exposure too. And four and
Speaker 6: maybe three you know, if it's if they're if they're mirrored.
Speaker 10: So yes, I mean, of course it's a tactical decision
Speaker 10: to be made on seeing whatever you're presented with. I
Speaker 10: don't want to say completely know, but they if you
Speaker 10: remember years ago, several months ago, City of Miami had
Speaker 10: that uh it was an old building, historic building, that court.
Speaker 5: Fire was up on the roof.
Speaker 10: They went defensive and it started on will say, on
Speaker 10: the second floor of a three story building. They surrounded
Speaker 10: dramad with towel at us. So, depending on where they
Speaker 10: have the access, where they're gonna take that risk, you know,
Speaker 10: risk a lot to save a lot of whole kind
Speaker 10: of thing. It's not out of the question basically as
Speaker 10: what I should say depending on what you're presented on scene.
Speaker 5: But for the most part, we got fired through the roof.
Speaker 5: Like you know we talked about before in other episodes.
Speaker 10: Where you know, you may not be putting people in
Speaker 10: the in harm's way unnecessarily unless as a life hazard.
Speaker 6: I'm just adope, fine, man. But like I said of
Speaker 6: being on the panel here, I couldn't let that slide
Speaker 6: go and just say I'm good with the next story
Speaker 6: or attack here.
Speaker 14: You know, like I said, just put it in the window, bro,
Speaker 14: put it in the window.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 5: It's got to be the transition.
Speaker 6: Right hand and say we protect life and that's a new.
Speaker 1: And put it.
Speaker 8: Put it on the bottom by senior dude, hit it
Speaker 8: hot from the yard, baby, bullshit, bull ship go.
Speaker 5: To twenty twenty seven, twenty seven. That's okay, no problem,
Speaker 5: All right, this.
Speaker 11: Is this is a beautiful row condos in my town.
Speaker 12: Anyway. These are senior citizens housing. Okay, so built on
Speaker 12: a slab dead end street. This is taken from the
Speaker 12: dead end looking back at the entrance right all right,
Speaker 12: next line mm hmm, okay, this is this was them
Speaker 12: under construction. So this is the end, at the opposite
Speaker 12: end of what we just saw. The are the entrances,
Speaker 12: and this.
Speaker 11: Is the inside.
Speaker 12: So Parallel would would like trust Parallel cord Woodline Trust.
Speaker 12: But you know, the same kind of fire protect firewall,
Speaker 12: exactly the same as what we saw earlier. Okay, And
Speaker 12: just I just want to point out something. Just go
Speaker 12: back to that previously.
Speaker 1: I've loved a little more professionally done.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, yeah, and probably a lot less expensive too.
Speaker 12: But I just want to point something out, perfectly legal
Speaker 12: in the code where I live.
Speaker 5: All Right.
Speaker 11: You see the on the picture on the right up
Speaker 11: on top, you see those yellow.
Speaker 5: You know what those are? Those gas pipes.
Speaker 11: Yep, that's legal pecks. Yeah, whatever it's called.
Speaker 5: Right, pet is a new Copper.
Speaker 12: This is a Senior Citizens complex. Yeah, I'm just saying
Speaker 12: what could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 11: So, uh So, anyway, this is why when these things
Speaker 11: are going off.
Speaker 5: From nothing small gas, don't worry about it. Don't worry
Speaker 5: about Grandma, go back to sleepy about it.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Mention like if you go back to Edgewater and even
Speaker 6: this this could be the whole building could be sprinkled.
Speaker 6: But you know, what they don't sprinkles. Yeah, it looks
Speaker 6: like Edgewater where it started. If it starts in a plan,
Speaker 6: it's got a pretty good head start because it could
Speaker 6: be running one side to the other before it even
Speaker 6: shows itself, yep. And you know, the text could be
Speaker 6: melting as it's gas fed. So until they start sprinkling
Speaker 6: those dead spaces, which is never gonna happen.
Speaker 12: Yeah, And I think the engineers thought that, you know,
Speaker 12: the architects thought that, you know, sprinkling the buildings would
Speaker 12: would be the solution.
Speaker 5: And it certainly is a big.
Speaker 12: Improvement because statistically most of the fires are gonna are
Speaker 12: gonna be handled by the sprinkle system of its operating
Speaker 12: correctly and.
Speaker 11: It's in service.
Speaker 12: But this still creates a problem once no matter whether
Speaker 12: it's the fire burns into these spaces or the fire
Speaker 12: starts these spaces, it's a huge problem because now it's
Speaker 12: very hard for any fire department to get ahead.
Speaker 11: Of it, you know, until it just goes to whatever
Speaker 11: the end of the compartmentation is.
Speaker 12: You know that that that's it until it gets to
Speaker 12: the fire walls and then and then it's you know,
Speaker 12: it'll burn until it gets so.
Speaker 8: Hey, cap, what have you had any fires or heard
Speaker 8: of any fires where the fire reached these these pipes
Speaker 8: and you know, and then it turned into a gas
Speaker 8: fed thing.
Speaker 11: Like I don't I don't think they've had anything in
Speaker 11: this development.
Speaker 12: It's well maintained except for ems runs obviously, so don't
Speaker 12: even get in there that often. But we we did
Speaker 12: get a full walk through when it was built, you know,
Speaker 12: twenty twenty five years ago. But again it's still there.
Speaker 12: It's still an active you know, it'll sleeping yep, and
Speaker 12: hopefully nobody has a problem with it, you know, but.
Speaker 8: Thank god, is that something that you guys and you
Speaker 8: guys are dealing with plastic gas lines?
Speaker 10: Well that was everything that they are running now is plastic.
Speaker 10: We have natural gas that comes from the city and
Speaker 10: some six inch pipes they drop them down to.
Speaker 4: The gas lines in the street of plastic.
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: To plastic up.
Speaker 5: Were running gas lines like crazy, becuse they're widening roads
Speaker 5: and doing all that ship.
Speaker 8: And staying like if we had a fire and the
Speaker 8: fire got in there and it melted that, now you
Speaker 8: got it. I guess fed fire.
Speaker 4: You know, what about if you're hook in the ceilings.
Speaker 1: And you pull.
Speaker 10: Part of the three sixty is for us the hit utilities,
Speaker 10: and that's part of it. So if we see gas,
Speaker 10: whatever it is, everything's getting shut off.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's exactly it.
Speaker 1: If I'm staying, if the fire is going, you're not,
Speaker 1: You're not. That's not your first Uh.
Speaker 8: You know, you've got three people showing up to fire gases,
Speaker 8: probably not the Yeah, send two guys down to the
Speaker 8: basement to take care of the gas.
Speaker 5: Not only is this one the one the driver. We'll
Speaker 5: be right there, lady. The jet plane over there, We'll
Speaker 5: get to that in a minute.
Speaker 11: Okay, next one. I just wanted to show what was
Speaker 11: was out there, at least what I was aware of.
Speaker 12: Yeah, just another development again, man, you could That's exactly
Speaker 12: what we were doing here. I was tolling the towel
Speaker 12: at around here with a with a student, you know.
Speaker 12: And uh and uh, you know, wide open right looks great.
Speaker 5: Not at night.
Speaker 4: You ain't getting close to.
Speaker 12: Every one of those spots. Yeah, every one of those
Speaker 12: spots is taken at night, you know. Yeah, And this
Speaker 12: is an interesting set of buildings whereas they have firewalls, Uh,
Speaker 12: they go up the interior and they are on the
Speaker 12: under they stop at the underside of the roof boards,
Speaker 12: and they were they were pretty well installed. But I
Speaker 12: don't know if anybody has had any experience with fire
Speaker 12: resistive plywood. They all over the top of these things.
Speaker 12: They all have five resisted plywood over the over the firewalls.
Speaker 12: You know what that stuff is like when it gets
Speaker 12: when it gets old, gets very brittle. You can actually
Speaker 12: we had one of our guys step through it. My goodness,
Speaker 12: it didn't go through it. He stepped into it and
Speaker 12: you know, yeah, and it it wasn't really burning underneath him,
Speaker 12: you know.
Speaker 11: So that was a long time ago.
Speaker 12: But still, you know, there's all sorts of hazards out
Speaker 12: there that you you know, I'm sure there's plenty that
Speaker 12: I don't know about, you know, but there these are
Speaker 12: the ones that I can pascel on.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Us try to get us.
Speaker 12: Try to move through a few at ease and get through,
Speaker 12: just keep going. These are all these are all those
Speaker 12: were old legacy very well, but all right, and this
Speaker 12: is what we're doing. This is one of my favorite
Speaker 12: slides because it shows that that gun evolution that we
Speaker 12: saw early and we talked about, plus flanking the other
Speaker 12: side or somewhere else with a portable master stream, which
Speaker 12: is very popular today.
Speaker 11: One or two guys can get this thing into operation.
Speaker 12: It's not like the like years ago, even the Multiversal
Speaker 12: that they currently use today, or the Stang like we
Speaker 12: used when we got when I got on a job,
Speaker 12: I think was a monster. It was a beautiful deck guy,
Speaker 12: but it was like, you know, it was super heavy.
Speaker 12: It was like one hundred and something pounds taking.
Speaker 5: It off the rig.
Speaker 10: Say that the blitz fire, Well, the blitz line we
Speaker 10: haven't purposely set up for that type of quick operation.
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 12: I wanted one three inch line feeding it and you're
Speaker 12: and you're flowing five hundred gallons a minute, so that's
Speaker 12: a significant amount of water. And there's a lot you
Speaker 12: can do with it. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 12: different scenarios and a lot of different building.
Speaker 5: This is a video.
Speaker 12: I couldn't get it to play because I sent this
Speaker 12: to you as a PDF. But there's a great video.
Speaker 11: This is it online.
Speaker 12: It shows if you if you Google on YouTube, or
Speaker 12: if you go on YouTube and you search for a
Speaker 12: fire department deck gun or master stream, this will generally
Speaker 12: pop up and they knock this fire on the left
Speaker 12: down in in like thirty seconds with tank water. The
Speaker 12: hydrants maybe fifty feet away and they get water and
Speaker 12: then you know, they get they never run out of water.
Speaker 12: It's a very well timed operation. I think they got lucky.
Speaker 12: But they also did a very good job, in my opinion,
Speaker 12: knocking down an impressive amount of fire very fast. You know,
Speaker 12: so next lie, all right, next one, next one?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 12: Good, same thing in a kind of what we were
Speaker 12: talking about before. You know, you got an issue when
Speaker 12: the chiefs got the line.
Speaker 5: With the word you're getting ready to hit the te
Speaker 5: hidden hard. That looks like you know, I we all
Speaker 5: we all have the.
Speaker 11: We all talk about these are legacy apartments.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 11: I don't know if they trust or not. I would
Speaker 11: tend to think maybe not.
Speaker 12: But but anyway, there's a point where you got to
Speaker 12: make a decision, right whether it's a room and contents
Speaker 12: fire or a structural fire. And you know, I think this,
Speaker 12: I would give a shot. You know this is this
Speaker 12: is definitely what I would take. But you know that
Speaker 12: we also have we also have a saying that there's
Speaker 12: no routine fires, which is absolutely true. Right, you can
Speaker 12: get hurt, but I am going to make a statement
Speaker 12: which are probably a lot of people will not agree with.
Speaker 12: If there is a ground ball, a ground ball in
Speaker 12: fire fighting, this is it.
Speaker 1: Second, three guys that are around with that ladder on the.
Speaker 4: Already already it's all involved.
Speaker 12: Involved is taking that house line and bringing it up
Speaker 12: a flight of stairs, turning around and putting the front
Speaker 12: room app toward two rooms, depending on what it is,
Speaker 12: probably one room, but again one room in whether it's
Speaker 12: a private dwelling or building like this.
Speaker 11: And you're there in a timely.
Speaker 12: Fish and that should be a pretty if you if
Speaker 12: your department is going to struggle with this, you've got
Speaker 12: a lot of work to do.
Speaker 11: You know, this should be pretty forward.
Speaker 4: You know that coral springs.
Speaker 12: That's actually get in there. They're addressing the exposure. They
Speaker 12: got portable ladders going up, and they got the first
Speaker 12: hand line ready to go.
Speaker 11: I don't know what happens after this. I mean, this
Speaker 11: is all I have. This is very in my opinion,
Speaker 11: this is very managing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, mister George, how much did you pay for the
Speaker 5: new guy? No?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 1: Too much?
Speaker 5: San Francisco.
Speaker 6: I'm guessing you should be thinking about a lot of
Speaker 6: class lat of placement and a ladder throwing that's putting
Speaker 6: the line.
Speaker 12: We do that, yep, yeah, no, absolutely, I mean as
Speaker 12: far as you know the technique and all that, I'm
Speaker 12: kind of like not going there on that last.
Speaker 10: Picture for the aerial guys watching which way you're rolling
Speaker 10: in with the rig to get a good set up.
Speaker 10: Let's think about that. Yeah, yeah, I mean because of
Speaker 10: the hills, I'm going by the incline.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, yeah. How about how about throwing portable at
Speaker 12: us on that you know, I mean they were what
Speaker 12: they do out west on US in San Francisco is
Speaker 12: they have a wedge or it's almost like a little
Speaker 12: mini step shock.
Speaker 4: Right at bottom.
Speaker 12: I ended a training by an officer from San Francisco
Speaker 12: many years ago, and he was talking about that. It
Speaker 12: was very informative because in my area we don't have
Speaker 12: much of that, and even in New York certain areas
Speaker 12: have quite a bit of it.
Speaker 5: But a lot of areas.
Speaker 12: You throw a ladder it's pretty much on close to
Speaker 12: the level ground. But they're areas of the country that
Speaker 12: is a big that every Fiday.
Speaker 8: God is like that, you know that would yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's already tough doing that going up three flights or something.
Speaker 4: You know, like some comes comes by kicks the chock out.
Speaker 1: That guy. It's always going to be that guy.
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I just want to be clear.
Speaker 12: I don't I'm not advocating. I don't like seeing deck
Speaker 12: guns and towel ladders you know, used on private dwellings.
Speaker 12: You know, I mean, I think you know you've declared
Speaker 12: it a loss before you even started. But there are times,
Speaker 12: like we just mentioned, that should not be the routine.
Speaker 12: You know, the routine should be, as we said in
Speaker 12: the first slide, is a properly placed hand line, you know,
Speaker 12: generally through the front door, and that's how we're going
Speaker 12: to handle the majority. But occasionally you get these structures
Speaker 12: and they're larger in a private dwelling.
Speaker 5: You know that that.
Speaker 12: Require different tactics. And again that's why we have a toolbox,
Speaker 12: you know. That's why we have all these tactics and
Speaker 12: all this equipment. You know, and you're going to know
Speaker 12: when to use what.
Speaker 5: You know, so master streams which we have right so
Speaker 5: just yeah, you keep going.
Speaker 12: Uh yeah, just uh, just you got to get out
Speaker 12: and practice with this stuff, like the guys were talking earlier.
Speaker 14: Uh and and just know how to be proficient, you know,
Speaker 14: so like this is going to bother me.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's why I put it.
Speaker 4: Really, this is truly fifteen guys on the roof, it
Speaker 4: would be worse.
Speaker 5: That would be the only thing that.
Speaker 1: Could be worse.
Speaker 8: The roof, six guys on the roof and a guy
Speaker 8: with a master stream in the parking lot.
Speaker 4: Twenty feet away too, in the lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just he's actually simulating rain.
Speaker 12: Yeah, the roof is going to do exactly what it
Speaker 12: was designed to do. Is I think Chief Done said,
Speaker 12: you know.
Speaker 11: It's going to keep the water out except that that's great.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but that's again I put that picture in there
Speaker 12: just for conversation that you know, we discussing, and it's
Speaker 12: it's it's one of those things where different things happen
Speaker 12: in different areas of the country, even within the same deplotment,
Speaker 12: even within the same company. We've all rolled out without
Speaker 12: the A team, We've all rolled out, you know, with
Speaker 12: the B or the C team, and uh, you know,
Speaker 12: things are pretty Every company I know has had a
Speaker 12: bad day, everyone absolutely so. But you want to try
Speaker 12: to eliminate, you know, eliminate the possibility of that as
Speaker 12: much as possible. You want to have try to try
Speaker 12: to have your people trained as much as possible. I mean,
Speaker 12: you know, and I think like when you see things,
Speaker 12: you know, getting not to get off the subject, but
Speaker 12: you see things like in New York where a prob
Speaker 12: makes a roof rope rescue, you're training your guys pretty good.
Speaker 1: If somebody will do that.
Speaker 11: Somebody can come out of proby school and make a
Speaker 11: roof rope rescue, you're doing.
Speaker 4: Something that was a nice look for the FDNY man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so again again same thing.
Speaker 12: You know, poort infrom the outside, but in this case,
Speaker 12: this is an extensive fire. But again, you know, I
Speaker 12: think ideally we want to be in there with a
Speaker 12: hand line. You can't tell enough from picture like this
Speaker 12: as to what's going on, how long it took, what
Speaker 12: the resources were on scene. But again, you know, generally,
Speaker 12: if we can, we want to do an aggressive interior
Speaker 12: attack and then once we go to go to a
Speaker 12: defense of operation, you want to do kind of what
Speaker 12: you see these guys here doing is protecting the exposure
Speaker 12: and basically we've given up the fire building at that point.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, Procaccini said he rolled out with the Z team.
Speaker 4: Is he the leader of the team.
Speaker 1: Way they were thinking.
Speaker 5: I know, in other areas of.
Speaker 12: The country, right, it's a shift B, shift C shift,
Speaker 12: and there's always an one of them is always screwing
Speaker 12: up as something you.
Speaker 11: Know it's and the other guys are always yeah, but
Speaker 11: again what a structure.
Speaker 12: But for going back, you know, generally we want to
Speaker 12: try to at least in my opinion, try to try
Speaker 12: to make an aggressive interior attack when it's warranted, when
Speaker 12: it's needed. But again, there are going to be times
Speaker 12: where you got to go to big water where we've
Speaker 12: got to go defensive or we got to get and
Speaker 12: this is this is a training issue. Also is being
Speaker 12: able to use your equipment. You know, we don't flow
Speaker 12: water as missed know, we don't flow master streams very often.
Speaker 12: And uh, I've seen where departments have you know, not
Speaker 12: been too quick to get it to get water out
Speaker 12: of the end of I think there's a bunch of
Speaker 12: online you know, there's there's.
Speaker 4: One amazing way you can find online. Actually it's not
Speaker 4: good amazing that guys actually post some of the ship
Speaker 4: that they I know.
Speaker 5: I know what kills me with some of the masters streams,
Speaker 5: especially with the aerial devices is that's fully extended as
Speaker 5: high as up they can get it, not even anywhere
Speaker 5: close near the fire. So by the time it gets
Speaker 5: to the fire, it's broken.
Speaker 11: And you know, I don't understand that. It's not really
Speaker 11: that hard.
Speaker 5: But the thing in the window as close as you can, man,
Speaker 5: come on.
Speaker 11: Exactly, but it is what it is. But like I
Speaker 11: said that on the.
Speaker 4: Very expensive.
Speaker 12: But again, you know, limited access, you got to take
Speaker 12: the spot that you can get. Be aggressive, you know,
Speaker 12: like Louis you had great Chauffas in one O three,
Speaker 12: one of the best companies I ever saw far as
Speaker 12: uh as far as getting an aggressive position, getting a
Speaker 12: spot where you go, wow, I can't believe they got
Speaker 12: that there, you know, and I mean all of the
Speaker 12: companies that I worked in, as far as a lot
Speaker 12: of companies the Chauffas were all.
Speaker 11: So that doesn't happen sitting in the sitting in the
Speaker 11: barcle lounge.
Speaker 12: All right, you got to get out, you got you
Speaker 12: gotta spot your rigs, you gotta get off, you gotta
Speaker 12: set them up, and you got to do it repetitively,
Speaker 12: over and over again, so you get very comfortable and
Speaker 12: very proficient and.
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, and you gotta know.
Speaker 12: I mean, you see some guys put these things into
Speaker 12: spots and you go, wow, how the heck did he
Speaker 12: get it?
Speaker 8: There was a job up in the Bronx when they
Speaker 8: lost all those people, right, we were talking about some
Speaker 8: of those guys back.
Speaker 1: Incredible spots right that you.
Speaker 11: Normally don't see guys do with a re amount. But
Speaker 11: when you're trying to maximize the height, if you the
Speaker 11: closer you can get the turntable to the building, the
Speaker 11: higher it's I remember, I remember, but Dennis Conway one
Speaker 11: day with one eleven so it's only a seventy five
Speaker 11: foot ladder and a project we used to go to,
Speaker 11: not a high low project, but it was like seven eight.
Speaker 1: Story, yeah, eight stories.
Speaker 11: He put the thing in the entrance way you could
Speaker 11: hardly get by to get.
Speaker 12: In and out of the entrance. He put the jack
Speaker 12: down through the doorway, through the front doorway of the
Speaker 12: building and set it up and got this guy who
Speaker 12: was about to jump.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: Never would have thought to be.
Speaker 12: I mean, a towerl ladder on the sidewalk directly in
Speaker 12: front of the entrance, tower jack down through the front door.
Speaker 11: And got this guy.
Speaker 4: That's okat, I heard it.
Speaker 8: I heard a story one O three. We had projects
Speaker 8: that were like you had to walk down like ten steps.
Speaker 8: Then there was a little platform and ten steps right
Speaker 8: into the back of the projects, right, and they had
Speaker 8: you know, initially the rig was out outside, right, They
Speaker 8: wouldn't never have the rig there to take the ladders.
Speaker 8: But they get a report that they'sbody hanging out the window.
Speaker 8: The chauffeur goes down the steps with the rig, takes
Speaker 8: out the takes out the railing, which ends up pulling
Speaker 8: everything out the exhaust from underneath. The truck gets it
Speaker 8: in position and gets the guy out of the out
Speaker 8: of the thing, and then but the rig they had
Speaker 8: to get like a tow truck to get it up
Speaker 8: out of the But I'm I'm.
Speaker 12: Pretty sure I was at that t I was in
Speaker 12: rescue too, is that right. We all came out of
Speaker 12: the building and we were like, Holy ship. I didn't
Speaker 12: think a cruck.
Speaker 5: Could do that.
Speaker 1: Probably didn't go over well, but uh, you know, you gotta.
Speaker 12: Gut it right up to the building. I mean in
Speaker 12: a place that I wouldn't even Yeah, but that's got
Speaker 12: you know, guys that know their stuff know their stuff.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's as simple as that they're gonna they're
Speaker 12: gonna be able.
Speaker 5: To pull that off.
Speaker 1: You know that happened tonight.
Speaker 8: If somebody did that with your one of your rigs,
Speaker 8: what would happen? Like legitly, I'm asking, like you're muted,
Speaker 8: you're muted.
Speaker 10: Sorry to make a to creating damage to make a
Speaker 10: rescue or something like that, Yes, but to make a rescue,
Speaker 10: to make.
Speaker 5: A rescue, I don't think there'd be any problems. You
Speaker 5: had to do what you had to do.
Speaker 10: But if somebody was carelessly, obviously it's a whole nother story.
Speaker 10: Just you know, you just did it to do it,
Speaker 10: then there's a problem.
Speaker 4: Oh then Gonzo takes out the red pen and look
Speaker 4: at me.
Speaker 5: I'm going I'm looking the other way. I'm like.
Speaker 4: A spray.
Speaker 8: If Steve was catching all that grief because he he
Speaker 8: told the guy to put the area the aerial through
Speaker 8: the wind vent the roof the cock lid he was fed,
Speaker 8: then through the interior to vent cock loof.
Speaker 1: Guys were jumping all over them.
Speaker 4: Oh, they couldn't get to the cock loft for this building.
Speaker 4: And my brother told the one twenty eight truck, take
Speaker 4: your aeriel and plunge it through the holes poke some
Speaker 4: holes in on a cock cloth and they could spray
Speaker 4: water in it and they put the fire out. But they,
Speaker 4: oh my god, guys who were up in arms ruined
Speaker 4: the perfect, perfectly good ladder. Yeah yeah, change over the way.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you guys kidding me.
Speaker 9: That's customery for you guys, tool bag space.
Speaker 1: He's just saying, Hank, what do you go?
Speaker 5: You say something?
Speaker 4: Make it like before you couldn't let it go. I
Speaker 4: couldn't let it come, Let it go. We'll go back
Speaker 4: to it if you have to.
Speaker 6: You know, you know where you don't put a u
Speaker 6: an area ladder or a towel ladder on the sidewalk,
Speaker 6: or the outriggers on the sidewalk. Yeah, when you're why,
Speaker 6: because the sidewalk in the old days had the dead
Speaker 6: lights to put light down in the basement, you know,
Speaker 6: so it might be tarred over now with something, but
Speaker 6: all it is is glass glass, dead lights.
Speaker 4: And if you put your.
Speaker 6: Outrigger or you try to drive on, if you're gonna
Speaker 6: end up with your your rig leaning into the building.
Speaker 4: And just trapped a little nugget. Hank just dropped a
Speaker 4: little information, mister George, how much you pay for the
Speaker 4: for the new guy.
Speaker 11: Too much, too much, and it's a it's another places too.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm just glad that the internet worked there
Speaker 6: because I'm still here and only half.
Speaker 4: Of what that is. I'm like, it's awfully quiet, man,
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 12: I was gonna I was gonna start sign language, you
Speaker 12: know what, I should put my hand up every time.
Speaker 6: Then I can't hear you.
Speaker 1: We'll do this area.
Speaker 4: Look, this is the area.
Speaker 1: Wine.
Speaker 6: My internet will be much better when I moved to market.
Speaker 4: Okay, I can't wait to stay over that house.
Speaker 6: Because I tell you tonight, it's been very frustrating because
Speaker 6: of my internet.
Speaker 4: That's all right, we still love you. We just thought
Speaker 4: you're a little quiet mood tonight.
Speaker 1: That's all so quiet mood.
Speaker 5: Really really have about I think, uh six slide. I look, well,
Speaker 5: it's just it's just a.
Speaker 12: It's a good picture of showing the space limitations in
Speaker 12: a parking lot. Again, think of this if it was
Speaker 12: at night and everybody's home, right, and you know your
Speaker 12: apparatus placement, trying to maximize your truck positioning, and then
Speaker 12: you know getting effective, you know, getting the line stretched,
Speaker 12: getting the truck placed, getting getting lighters up, you know,
Speaker 12: all the tasks that we normally have to perform.
Speaker 11: It's a little limited now. It's you know, it can
Speaker 11: get constrained.
Speaker 12: And that last slide and the same thing was was, uh,
Speaker 12: you know, you're just gonna have to be able to
Speaker 12: be flexible in how you get your spots.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 11: So so a good chauffeur and gold always has been,
Speaker 11: always has been.
Speaker 4: Unsung here on. I mean you get the guy in there, mad.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, and we all see everybody's got some like
Speaker 12: this right where there is no spot. You know, it's
Speaker 12: either putting on the long beach.
Speaker 4: It or or.
Speaker 1: Or and you know that's going to happen.
Speaker 12: You know, you know if I if I did that,
Speaker 12: you know what would be right under the rig would
Speaker 12: be like a sump or something.
Speaker 4: Ship beach it.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's a good one shirt.
Speaker 5: That's a good shirt.
Speaker 12: As my friend Bobby Graby used to say Jethrow from
Speaker 12: two fourteen.
Speaker 5: The knob is the job.
Speaker 11: That's it.
Speaker 5: The knob is the job that sounds like another shirt.
Speaker 4: You gotta have the knob. You gotta be working that day.
Speaker 5: You gotta do. If you do that, you got to
Speaker 5: put his name on a Jethrow.
Speaker 11: That's what Jethro.
Speaker 1: The knob is the job.
Speaker 4: Nob is the job death Row says, the knob is
Speaker 4: the job exactly.
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is a building under construction.
Speaker 12: But again we had you know, Hank Hank talked about
Speaker 12: a while ago about the hazards of this. And you
Speaker 12: know we both worked in construction safety fire safety for
Speaker 12: for a while after we retired. And these buildings are
Speaker 12: built to burn. And be very careful with these because
Speaker 12: none of the fire protection systems are in the compartmentation
Speaker 12: very often isn't complete. Uh and uh they're a lumber yard.
Speaker 12: You know, there's a ton of fuel. You know, you
Speaker 12: get a windy night like something like this, forget it.
Speaker 5: You know, you can't.
Speaker 11: You couldn't get out of there fast enough.
Speaker 4: Flagragation. I would say that wrong, but anyway I might.
Speaker 4: I might not be a brain surgeon. But I think
Speaker 4: these guys are pointing the road direction the other way.
Speaker 5: Nothing worry about across the street. Now.
Speaker 1: At least they at least they got over there.
Speaker 4: Somebody picked me up.
Speaker 1: At least they got.
Speaker 14: Porta parties in front of case they gotta go.
Speaker 4: It looks like yeah, yeah, they gotta look at who
Speaker 4: said that.
Speaker 6: Tom.
Speaker 12: Tom Brennan used to have a saying like when things
Speaker 12: really went bad, we lost the whole block or something.
Speaker 11: He used to say, thank God.
Speaker 5: For streets.
Speaker 12: Because you know they're they're a natural fire break, you know,
Speaker 12: or or you know what, if we hadn't shown up,
Speaker 12: if we had never come here, the outcome would have
Speaker 12: been exactly.
Speaker 1: This is what happened faster, would have happened faster.
Speaker 11: So again, this is occupy. Wow, that sedge water and
Speaker 11: that I don't I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I get a look back.
Speaker 5: That's a long night.
Speaker 12: That's a couple of that's a couple of names.
Speaker 11: That's that's get relieved, and somebody else comes out.
Speaker 5: Espresso and regular coffee coming up over.
Speaker 11: The where's the Red Cross truck?
Speaker 1: You know exactly?
Speaker 5: And okay, certain, yeah, And.
Speaker 12: That's funny podium building we were talking about before. So
Speaker 12: just be aware, you know, it's a it's a lumber yard.
Speaker 12: You know, I'm looking at this one going up.
Speaker 1: And I have one.
Speaker 5: You have them on the residential side too, from you see,
Speaker 5: just a little both there.
Speaker 6: Just another little nugget could before we get too far
Speaker 6: away in don't assume that all garden apartments are built
Speaker 6: on slabs. Because I've had some older garden apartment fires
Speaker 6: where this they've had a partial basement. You know, there's
Speaker 6: just there'll be cement stairs going down a little well
Speaker 6: and there's a door, and it might be a room
Speaker 6: that's thirty by thirty for you know, where they store
Speaker 6: everything for the building and maintenance. And we've actually had
Speaker 6: a fire in there, and you could be you know,
Speaker 6: they're calling for smoke in the you know, for the
Speaker 6: first floor apartment on the other side, so you know,
Speaker 6: you could you could get full thinking, well, you know,
Speaker 6: there's there's no basement here. You know, if you're getting
Speaker 6: smoke on that first floor level, it looks like it's
Speaker 6: coming from the floor. You got to make sure you
Speaker 6: do a full perimeter search there because you might find
Speaker 6: a partial basement in some of those older and it
Speaker 6: could be a new one too. I've only had them
Speaker 6: in the older ones.
Speaker 4: Me to this, this is an old bit. I've seen this.
Speaker 11: This is from Texas.
Speaker 5: You know, I was gonna play it, but I don't
Speaker 5: want to get a copywriter because I could pull it up.
Speaker 11: But don't even don't even bother.
Speaker 12: Great great fire, nice job with the fire department getting
Speaker 12: their aerial into into place.
Speaker 11: This this construction work. I don't know if you see
Speaker 11: it on the right hand.
Speaker 5: So he's on the right here on the balcony.
Speaker 12: On the balcony, he was on the balcony above and
Speaker 12: lowered himself down and swung in. You know, he probably
Speaker 12: could walk. He probably it looks like there's no fire
Speaker 12: on that floor. He probably could walk to the staircase
Speaker 12: and walk out of this thing.
Speaker 1: At this point, you know he was.
Speaker 5: He was so panic stricken in the video from the beginning.
Speaker 5: Can you can you imagine?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And I'm on the swinging underneath you.
Speaker 4: You ain't out when your.
Speaker 5: All of these denis.
Speaker 6: Where were the construction site fire safety managers for this one?
Speaker 11: There is no such thing.
Speaker 4: They don't have texas.
Speaker 5: The only reason, the only.
Speaker 12: Reason we had a job was because of those guys
Speaker 12: at the doutschebang.
Speaker 6: For us, right, that takes a tragedy, that's right, oh man.
Speaker 5: Darkness of that week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at you. There's a lot of youth going on.
Speaker 4: He was using just for men back then.
Speaker 14: I feel like I'm back in nineteen ninety eight starting
Speaker 14: all over exactly.
Speaker 4: Good memories that first pictures in front of the rig right,
Speaker 4: that that's the picture.
Speaker 5: How important they would be looking devils?
Speaker 6: Huh, why aren't you supposed to do a commercial or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to do it now, I take a whiz.
Speaker 5: And did you want to talk anything about this really
Speaker 5: quick or no?
Speaker 12: No, no, no, we we discussed it once before. We
Speaker 12: could spend quite a bit of time on this.
Speaker 5: So it's just astruction.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, this is twenty fourteen. I think the CDC
Speaker 12: and Niosh came out with and it's it's an eye opener.
Speaker 12: I think I talked about it before. But the one
Speaker 12: thing to be aware of is that this legacy construction
Speaker 12: at the top holds up very well. You can see
Speaker 12: the collapse times are on the right. But the one
Speaker 12: that really jumps off the page is this one here,
Speaker 12: twelve inch wood eye Joyce right, Because for a long
Speaker 12: time we didn't know how that was going to behave.
Speaker 12: There had been a lot of non scientific studies LA
Speaker 12: didn't want. A couple other departments did it and got
Speaker 12: different numbers, but this is the same you know, methodology
Speaker 12: for doing the study. But the one to look at
Speaker 12: really is the wood eye Joyce. Like we looked at
Speaker 12: before with the penetrations for the plumbing and the they
Speaker 12: feil a lot quicker than I would have thought, you know,
Speaker 12: so with nothing protecting them, no sheet rock protecting them,
Speaker 12: and being exposed to fire as it starts. The number
Speaker 12: that these guys got was six minutes and three seconds.
Speaker 1: Look at the take holy right, yeah.
Speaker 5: Look at look at just the line below it.
Speaker 12: You say, take the same thing with the ceiling with
Speaker 12: a gypsum ceiling under it goes up to twenty six
Speaker 12: and it goes twenty minutes up. So you know, something
Speaker 12: to be aware of. We have a whole bunch in
Speaker 12: my town that are new private dwellings.
Speaker 6: That everybody with the OSB is or oriented Yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 6: it's oriented strandboard. It's basically engineered wood. It's all little
Speaker 6: wood chips that are glued together. And again when when
Speaker 6: when they're not under a fire load, it's great and
Speaker 6: it saves people a lot of money. But once once
Speaker 6: you put them under a fire load.
Speaker 5: They weaken us.
Speaker 6: Those collapse times.
Speaker 5: The web birds.
Speaker 11: So anyway, but that's that's it, guys. That's a fornight,
Speaker 11: all right.
Speaker 4: We have to questions before we forget Yeah, thank you
Speaker 4: very much.
Speaker 1: Yes you're welcome.
Speaker 4: Yes we're gonna be the commercial first though in.
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Speaker 4: to prevent obesity related health issues. So workout of gonzo,
Speaker 4: will you've been crying out loud? Put down the jelly donnut?
Speaker 5: And what was that a little gun?
Speaker 4: All right? So we're gonna go back to two shows eventually.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll see what happens a week. We have on
Speaker 4: Thursday next Thursday?
Speaker 15: Right, if we have the Wallbounds fire, and we have
Speaker 15: actually a husband and wife who both fought up their
Speaker 15: fathers passed away at the Wall Bounds fire, and then
Speaker 15: they met and then they end up getting married.
Speaker 4: We'll have Jay Jonas on and tell the story and
Speaker 4: they'll tell this story too.
Speaker 1: So yes, that's pretty cool stuff.
Speaker 4: Thanks again, Captain, my captain and senior dude.
Speaker 6: The old school tip of the day.
Speaker 4: Huh. While I'm throwing out telling you guys, what do
Speaker 4: you have one handy?
Speaker 6: You know I just you know, you know me, I'm
Speaker 6: just popped into my head, gonce, can we please give
Speaker 6: it to I don't need the music. You need the music.
Speaker 4: Give them music, not that one.
Speaker 10: We were getting down dirty with that one. Okay, it's
Speaker 10: time for we go man, the old school. All right, Hey,
Speaker 10: you want a solo, you.
Speaker 4: Want to bring give it a solo?
Speaker 6: Need a solo.
Speaker 1: We got.
Speaker 6: A lot of times we have tips for all the
Speaker 6: young firefighters out there. This one is for all you
Speaker 6: senior dudes that are out there. Since I've retired, I've
Speaker 6: had the pleasure to visit many different firehouses, mostly along
Speaker 6: the East Coast, but in other parts of the country.
Speaker 6: And what I have found is that the young crop
Speaker 6: firefighters that are out there are just as good and
Speaker 6: enthusiastic as when we were the young bucks on the job.
Speaker 6: There's sponges they want to learn. There's unfortunately, unfortunately but unfortunately,
Speaker 6: there's not as much fire duty out there as they
Speaker 6: used to be, but there's still plenty of fires. And
Speaker 6: all it takes is want to kill you. So as
Speaker 6: us senior men, I take it as a great responsibility
Speaker 6: these young firefighters are. They're just itching to hear your
Speaker 6: experience and your stories, as you know, as long as
Speaker 6: there's teaching points in there, and you know, we have
Speaker 6: to take that seriously. You know, even you're retired whatever,
Speaker 6: visit your local firehouse. You'll be surprised they want you know,
Speaker 6: they'll they'll welcome you with open arms and don't be
Speaker 6: afraid to make friends with them. And they're they're going
Speaker 6: to want to hear your stories and and how you
Speaker 6: did things and tact and and then in turn they'll
Speaker 6: get to speak to you a little bit about maybe
Speaker 6: the difference in the masks and stuff. The key is
Speaker 6: we're talking about the job and putting the phones down
Speaker 6: and getting like I said, get into.
Speaker 4: The job, not on the job and that's it.
Speaker 6: They're safe.
Speaker 4: Hey, Roofie, how lucky are we to have this guy
Speaker 4: is our captain and this senior man but blessed and
Speaker 4: now we get to have him on the.
Speaker 6: Show too with the shitty internet.
Speaker 4: But whatever, Well that's on you, bro. I can't help you.
Speaker 6: I'm still waiting for the check from getting salty to
Speaker 6: get my good stuff. But I don't worry. I got
Speaker 6: to taken care of that second one, didn't you What
Speaker 6: are you kidding?
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding you. I'm telling this off. I don't
Speaker 4: need tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Honestly, I have to apologize to everybody, even especially Dennis,
Speaker 6: because you know he's usually I'm his wingman when we
Speaker 6: do these, I'm like the color commentator, and tonight it
Speaker 6: was I would hear the first two lines of his
Speaker 6: whatever he said, the first two words, and then the
Speaker 6: last two, and I'm like, you see it in my face.
Speaker 6: I'm sitting there like, what did he just say?
Speaker 4: I thought he was just getting close to your bedtime
Speaker 4: you get a little cranky something.
Speaker 6: But there's always it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 4: So we'll have you out again and again.
Speaker 6: And get the new internet when I moved. But I'm
Speaker 6: not going through this again.
Speaker 8: I ain't going through this stuff anymore. All right, Cap,
Speaker 8: thank you again very much, appreciate your time. Yes, seeing
Speaker 8: your dude, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: I love a pleasure to the chief. He turned from
Speaker 4: He can take you from jack asconto the serious chief.
Speaker 4: Conso I tried.
Speaker 1: You mean you mean hit it hard from the yard?
Speaker 4: You mean, oh that guy right right right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Almost put almost put seeing your dude out, You won't
Speaker 8: an aneurysm.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Laugh, girls, Freeze will put the fire right and mud
Speaker 4: alawn in your backyard at the same time.
Speaker 5: Well, that's for sure. Talking in the bed at nights,
Speaker 5: alright to you.
Speaker 6: We'll see your Thursday, cap, alright, by night, everybody, stay
Speaker 6: safe and go.
Speaker 5: That's alright, guys, good night. In addition to rolling heavy
Speaker 5: all the way, what no, we're gonna say, what was
Speaker 5: that one?
Speaker 4: Federal Q all the way, federal cue all the way,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to make one up for him by.
Speaker 1: Hard from the yard.
Speaker 5: That's what I don't like that that's been around too long.
Speaker 1: That can't be mine.
Speaker 5: Alright, alright, guys, goo