WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:01.439 It's NIC's Eyes. 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:07.160 Undoing you easy, Boston's News Radio Madison, Thank you so much. 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:10.759 I'm back, ladies and gentlemen. I am back big show tonight. 4 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:14.000 And I was thinking, last night, you know, we talked 5 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:18.120 about the Dumuz situation, and that's a heavy topic because 6 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:20.519 we're dealing with family drama, we're dealing. 7 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.199 With jobs, you know. 8 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:26.600 And then also, of course we were talking about murder trials. 9 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:31.120 And then I thought, tonight's going to be a little 10 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:34.359 lighter tonight. We're gonna have some fun, right, We're gonna 11 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.880 lighten things up. We're gonna talk to Dan Shaughnessy the 12 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.399 Boston Globe about the Celtics and how things went this year, 13 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.679 and remind everybody that the Celtics in the eighties they 14 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:45.200 went three championships, but never back to back and how 15 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:46.920 hard that used to do, and that if you haven't 16 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.640 read Dan's book, I wish it lasted forever, you should 17 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:52.799 check it out. We are going to talk to mag 18 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.560 Dooley from Sudbury, Massachusetts, which just won a national title 19 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.920 with the Cornell man's lacrosse team. And it's not when 20 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:04.959 you're not just talking lax bro, We're talking about how 21 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:08.400 to raise a student athlete, which I think parents me 22 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:09.079 being one of. 23 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:11.400 Them, we make a lot of mistakes. 24 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.040 And I don't want to say Matt's parents Bob and 25 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.680 Amy Dooley, are perfect, but they're pretty damn close. 26 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:20.079 Well, Amy is Bob. I don't want to give. 27 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:22.280 I don't want Bob Dules to get us well head 28 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:25.920 also working remotely, Todd Fernard is going to join us 29 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:27.599 from our properties. 30 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:28.680 It's kind of crazy. 31 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:30.519 There's like Amazon that says I need you here five 32 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:32.680 days a week, and Google says, no, you can be 33 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:37.079 here three out of five. So how is how is 34 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:39.840 that going in the workplace? Because we thought everybody would 35 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:42.480 go back to work after COVID and now some people 36 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:45.920 are saying I need a mix and does it work? 37 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:48.319 And why does it work for some and not for others? 38 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.200 The freak from the left coast, the kid the moderate, 39 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.760 which means he's a reactionary in Hollywood. Sam Methler joins 40 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:59.239 us at ten o'clock to talk everything Trump and politics. 41 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:02.719 And if you're up at eleven o'clock tonight, Sam's a 42 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.680 great take because he just blash everybody, Democrats, Republicans, independence, 43 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.560 He just lets everybody have it. But we are starting 44 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:11.719 off now with one of my favorite people, Cooper Lawrence 45 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:14.439 are joining us CBS Entertainment reporter Cooper. 46 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.879 Thanks for joining us here on Night Side always. 47 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:20.439 And you know, usually when I come here, I like 48 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.240 to try to bring you something that nobody has ever 49 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:24.919 heard before. You know, I can come here and just 50 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.560 like tell you what's on TMZ, but you can go 51 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:30.039 look at that yourself. I try to bring you something 52 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.520 that you don't know, that you've never heard, that is unique, 53 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:34.560 that's just for you and your audience. And I think 54 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:35.599 I've succeeded tonight. 55 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.560 There's no doubt she's going to succeed with that tonight, 56 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.280 and that is a major market teece by Cooper. And 57 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:43.639 what I find so funny is when I asked Cooper 58 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:45.280 to cab on, I don't know, a week or two ago, 59 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:46.879 when I knew I was filling for Dan, I said, 60 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:51.000 you know, we're gonna be light because there's some heavy 61 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.560 stuff going on in Boston, right So I said, tonight 62 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:55.000 we're going to start things off. We're going to talk 63 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.080 about entertainment and what are we doing. We're talking about 64 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:02.599 Diddy Combs in court, We're talking about you Jackman divorce. 65 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:07.800 We're talking about drama with the Beckham family and that's right, 66 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:12.000 and Blake and Taylor Swift, right, So we're just picking 67 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:13.360 up where we left off last night. 68 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:14.080 More drama. 69 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.199 But would you have and I find this fascinating some 70 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:20.919 new information regarding Kanye West, who has this song out 71 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:25.039 Kyle Hitler which is intersemitic and just insane. And we're 72 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.000 really going to get into this topic. But what can 73 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.080 you tell us that you have that has not been 74 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:29.800 unearthed yet? 75 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:35.840 Well, fortunately for you guys, I am actually very close 76 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:41.159 with Kanye's attorneys and I love them. They're fabulous and 77 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:44.120 they are always willing to dish, not anything that they're 78 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.560 not allowed to say they'd be sued for. But they 79 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:50.599 have not just told me everything about Kanye, but they 80 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:55.439 gave me a document that they filed in a California court. 81 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:57.280 And are we going right into it now because I 82 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:59.080 want to read a piece of it to you. Absolutely 83 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:03.439 let it rip, okay, all right? So they Kanye is 84 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:07.120 being sued by a former employee over some of this 85 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:10.599 anti semitic rhetoric that he has been saying, and some 86 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:13.000 of it is stuff that she claims to be texted 87 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:16.040 to her and that she suddenly is claiming now that 88 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:22.319 she's also Jewish, so it's even more offensive. Their argument is, basically, 89 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:27.800 in a nutshell, all this stuff about anti Semitism is 90 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:31.399 an act. It's all an act. It's all to draw attention. 91 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:35.000 It's the opposite of what you're thinking. And the fact 92 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.000 that his fans and people around him aren't getting the 93 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:41.600 joke and aren't understanding that he is basically lamb basing 94 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:46.040 people that are anti Semitic in the same way that 95 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.959 people would be saying the same thing about, you know, 96 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:52.079 being African American, for example. He's digging into that the 97 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.240 way he talks about slavery, he's now talking that way 98 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.920 about being Jewish and anti Semitic and all that sort 99 00:04:59.920 --> 00:05:03.560 of thing. So he is basically saying, here's here's part 100 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:07.040 of the document that they submitted. They are claiming he 101 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:10.920 is a cultural icon, a twenty four time Grammy winning artist, 102 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:16.920 fashion pioneer, polymath music, design, film theology, performance art, civil 103 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:21.439 rights advocate. He is not merely a creator. He is art. 104 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:25.519 That's their argument that all of this is performance art. 105 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:29.480 Everything that he's been saying, all this rhetoric is just 106 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.120 performance art, and if you don't get that that's not 107 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:38.639 his problem, you buy it. You know, their arguments pretty good. 108 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.040 They go on and talk about how his let me 109 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:43.439 just read you this one more thing, thought it was 110 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.959 very interesting. He's they're saying that he's performative invocation of 111 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:52.240 Nazim and Jewish tropes is no different than boundary pushing 112 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:56.399 humor of people like mel Brooks, Charlie Chaplin, Larry David, 113 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:57.240 Ricky Gervais. 114 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:58.199 Oh that's crazy. 115 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:02.519 They're basically yeah, well, they're basically saying that mel Brooks 116 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:04.759 can say it. He says anti he says things that 117 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.519 could be perceived anti semitic by somebody who's not Jewish, 118 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:10.720 but because mel Brooks says it, it's okay, the same 119 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:14.279 way Kanye talks about slavery because he's black, so he 120 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:17.560 can say it. So that's the gist of the argument 121 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.680 here is that this is all an artistic endeavor. Kanye 122 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:26.240 has since apologized, But the question is is he apologizing 123 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.959 because people are not getting his art, or because he's 124 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.800 not making the kind of money he was making and 125 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:34.839 he's realizing that he's just too hated. 126 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:39.480 I don't buy it. I'm just not buying it. Yeah, yeah, 127 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:42.199 I'm not buying it. I think that it's very it's 128 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:45.199 a very creative defense. I have to give his defense 129 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:47.759 team credit. I think it's a very creative spin because 130 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:48.839 that's exactly what it is. 131 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:51.040 Now, I'm thinking, have you ever seen a movie Liberty Heights? 132 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:53.480 No, what movie is that? 133 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:55.720 It's Barry Levinson's. It came out. 134 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.000 It came out just after Diner, right, and it's about 135 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:03.240 Barry Lovelyicly he and his friends growing up in Baltimore 136 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.839 and they were Jewish and dealing with an anti Semitic 137 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.839 pool club and so forth. And in one of the scenes, 138 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.439 Joe Montagna plays the father and he's a bookie and 139 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.079 the son from Halloween comes out dressed as Hitler. 140 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:22.120 Right, So again the family is Jewish. 141 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:27.560 And now I'm I'm not Jewish, but my wife is 142 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:29.800 Jewish and my kids are Jewish. So I mean, I'm 143 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:34.639 I'm I'm an equal opportunity guy. Man, I'm like, whatever works, right, listen. 144 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.120 I can write a check to a temple, I can 145 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:37.399 write a check to a Catholic church. 146 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:38.240 It doesn't matter to me. 147 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.160 Whatever gives you, I mean, in all sincerity, whatever gives 148 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.920 you peace. I think that you that's the thing. But 149 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:49.360 so and obviously Joe Montagna, who's playing a Jewish father, 150 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:53.040 is like out of his mind, like what are you doing? 151 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:53.879 Right? 152 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.240 So it's comedic, and it's Barry Levinson who's Jewish, who 153 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:01.040 documented his Jewish life growing up in Baltimore, and it's 154 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:03.759 a and I think it's a very popular movie in 155 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.279 that regard. I don't remember anybody saying that that was offensive. 156 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.800 If Kanye West comes out dressed as Hitler, that's a problem. 157 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:18.240 Now if Barry Levinson runs a scene that is racist 158 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:23.959 or comes out having a I mean, you know, I 159 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:27.199 don't know how to term this without being but if 160 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:31.360 Barry Levitton comes out with a whip like Bobby knight 161 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:36.000 right and he's an African American and says, oh, it's 162 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.799 to start, that's a problem. 163 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.480 So, but the point that Kanye is making, and I'm 164 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.480 not I'm not just sending him, I'm just giving you there. 165 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.080 Yeah, no, I know you're not. I get it. 166 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.480 The point, the point they're making is that if Barry 167 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:54.440 Levinson does it, it's considered racist and that's shocking and 168 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:57.799 it's upsetting. That's what Kanye is saying here. He's basically 169 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.799 saying that he's the things he's saying about Jews is 170 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.720 the same things that other people are saying about black people, 171 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.240 and slavery and Nazism is the same thing as slavery. 172 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.799 So he's making the parallel there, and it's I think 173 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.519 it's somewhere in between. I don't think it's fin And 174 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:20.360 I also don't think that. Do I think Kanye is antisemitic? Now, 175 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:22.840 of course I don't. I don't think he's an anti Semite. 176 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:25.919 I think he's somebody that is a lightning rod and 177 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.320 likes to get attention. Whether it's the height of narcissism, 178 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.919 whether he's just trying to draw attention to himself to 179 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:37.159 be provocative because he wants to sell music, so whatever 180 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.919 his motivation, I think he went too far, Yes, But 181 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.320 I think people don't understand that he's trying to make 182 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:48.159 the correlation between He's talking about Judaism the same way 183 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.159 people talk about slavery, and he's trying to make that 184 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:53.639 point that you should be you should be shocked, you 185 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:57.039 should be upset, and he's drawing attention to that feeling 186 00:09:57.120 --> 00:09:58.159 of being outraged. 187 00:09:58.399 --> 00:09:59.879 I'll tell you what I think of Kanye coming to 188 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.440 actually we get a lot more to talk about here. 189 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.720 New information with Cooper Lawrence from CBS Entertainment regarding Kanye West, 190 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.799 his his defense team or his public defense team, if 191 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.240 you will, regarding his release of Yle Hitler. 192 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:14.759 More coming up on WBZ Nightside right after this. 193 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.639 You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wb Z 194 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:23.000 Boston's News Radio. Welcome back to Nightside, Gary Tankway for 195 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:25.720 Dan Tonight. Cooper Lawrence with us from CBS Entertainment. We're 196 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:28.919 talking about Kanye West and now how his PR team is. 197 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:30.799 People have come out and said that he is not 198 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:34.799 anti Semitic, and the song Kyle Hitler was actually to 199 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:38.360 prove a point to show that he was. He's an 200 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:42.600 artist and he's shocking people. I don't buy it. Cooper's 201 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:45.600 just reporting the facts, you know, Cooper. When this first 202 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.480 came out and they talked about, you know, Kanye being 203 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.960 anti Semitic and for that matter, Kyrie Irving, I was 204 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.000 just looking up how he was suspended from the NBA 205 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:56.519 for five times for some comments that he made that 206 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.840 he said, we're not anti semitic and we're not taking 207 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:03.480 correctly and so forth. I just didn't understand it because 208 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.759 in Boston and you may not be aware of this. 209 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:09.399 Bill Russell and Read our Back were brothers. I mean 210 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.600 they were brothers. And the connection was when Bill Russell 211 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:14.960 came to play for the Celtics, he dealt with racism 212 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.879 as an African American man, as did Red our Back 213 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:21.840 as a Jewish American. So they had this common bond. 214 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.759 And I do know in Boston that there were of 215 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:29.200 a lot of Jewish families that, because of our Back, 216 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.759 connected with the Celtics, connected with African Americans, and there 217 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:34.960 was sort of a bond because they both had this 218 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:38.840 battle of anti Semitism and racism. So when Kanye came 219 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:41.480 out with it, I'm like, the whole thing just didn't 220 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:43.600 make sense to me. And then when Kyrie and Kyrie 221 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.039 sometimes just says things without even thinking, I'm like, what 222 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:47.000 are you talking about? 223 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.440 You know, but you know, not an artist, Kyrie Irving 224 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.159 is not known as an artist. He's not known as 225 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:53.759 somebody who is out there to be provocative in order 226 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:56.679 to make money and to get his art out there. 227 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:57.799 He's a basketball player. 228 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:00.559 Basketball right, Yeah, it's basketball right correct? 229 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:01.840 Okay, just check it. You know you know me, you 230 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.759 know me and sportsball? Uh you know, he's, yeah, he 231 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.080 put put this there. Put he's he's going to put 232 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.720 this ball in that net or wherever you put a 233 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.600 ball in basketball. But the idea is, you know, Kanye, 234 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:14.960 let me read you one more thing. So this is 235 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.120 this is on his PR team. These are his lawyers. 236 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.600 This is this is a motion that was filed in 237 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.440 California court. This is to me, this is shocking that 238 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:25.279 they're saying this. 239 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:27.600 That they're why do they have to why do they 240 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:28.480 have to go to court with this? 241 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:33.159 Oh no, because he's being sued by a former employee 242 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:36.600 who claims that he's that these anti Semitic things that 243 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.240 he texted her or said around the office or whatever 244 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.399 are offensive to her. And she's she's a sued for 245 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:46.039 wrongful termination. She was hired to do a job. When 246 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.320 she got there, she wouldn't do the job she was 247 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.200 hired to do, and they gave her many many chances 248 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:54.159 and finally fired her. And now she's turning around saying that, 249 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.399 you know, he's an anti Semite and he treated me 250 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:00.679 terribly while I was there. No, he to do a 251 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.159 specific job. You refuse to do that job, That's why 252 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.759 you were fired. So this is they're saying that it's retaliatory, 253 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:09.720 but there's a line in here in this motion that 254 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.360 I think is interesting. Ye by any measure, is one 255 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.440 of the most influential artistic figures of his generation. He 256 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.960 is internationally acclaimed whose life and work blur the lines 257 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:26.120 between daily existence and artistic performance. His music, fashion presence, 258 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:33.120 tapestry of artistic provocation, challenges societal societal norms, and confronts 259 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:37.679 cultural taboos. That's their argument. They're saying that he is 260 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.799 literally trying to be provocative, that we're at a point 261 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.440 right now in our society where I mean, what was that, 262 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.840 sudd You were genuinely shocked, you know what I mean, 263 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:47.559 Like things happen all the time. You're like, wow, that's 264 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:51.080 really terrible. You shocked, Nath. You know, things happened between 265 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:54.960 social media and the crazy news going on and I'm 266 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.879 mind talking politics, just weird things that are just happening 267 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.840 in the world. It's really hard to shock. I mean, 268 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:02.799 you're an artist trying to get attention and trying to 269 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:05.720 do the next creative thing. You know, Madonna did it 270 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.759 for so long. She kept trying to shock her fans 271 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.279 and shock the world by changing up her look and 272 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:18.080 her narrative and doing something provocative. But she leaned into 273 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.720 the sexual aspect of things. Kanye's doing the same thing. 274 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:27.120 He's just leaning into the social the the taboos, the 275 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:28.840 things that we should not be talking about. 276 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:33.919 But when Madonna did it, it was herself, it was 277 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.679 her body. It wasn't a race or an ethnicity. 278 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:40.080 That's true, you know. 279 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:45.840 So I remember when Kanye was on Jimmy Kimball and 280 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:47.799 he sat with Trump. Remember he went to see Trump 281 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.799 at the White House, and Kanye's sitting there talking to 282 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:51.759 Trump and Trump is. 283 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:54.159 Like lost, He's like, what is this dude doing here? 284 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:56.000 What is going on? Right? 285 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:00.080 And Kanye is like trying to I just went I 286 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:02.480 mean that conversation, Oh my god. I wish I could 287 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:04.840 have been in that room. And then Kimo said, why 288 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:07.840 would you support Trump? And you know, Kanye didn't have 289 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.039 an answer. I think what happens to Kanye is, yes, 290 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:14.919 he does want to shock, he does want to remain 291 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:15.799 in the headlines. 292 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.480 And the twenty four Grammy Awards are not enough. Now. 293 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.039 I'm not a big music I mean, I'm an okay 294 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.679 music guy. I'm not an aficionado. But I did see 295 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:27.360 Kanye at the super Bowl along with Rihanna, and I 296 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:29.559 can honestly say it was one of the best shows 297 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.200 I have ever seen. And I don't really know a 298 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:35.960 lot about both artists. I know they're extremely talented, they're 299 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.919 extremely gifted, and the guy's probably a genius. Now, when 300 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.039 you're at that level, you're also bordering on insanity. 301 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.080 I mean, I'm not. I mean it's true. 302 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.279 I mean, if you talk about the great the great 303 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.679 artists of our time, you know, whether it's you know, 304 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.000 cutting off your ear or you know, I need to 305 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:59.320 take a nap to come up with the theory of relativity, 306 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:00.919 they're on a different level than us. 307 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:02.080 And I believe he is right. 308 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:03.279 There's definitely mental illness. 309 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.240 Yeah, and I believe he is because his music. 310 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:08.759 You can't dispute the success of his music and the 311 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:09.759 quality of his music. 312 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:13.759 You just can't. Oh sure, Yeah, there's no doubt. But 313 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:14.879 there's something that happens. 314 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:16.720 I was I was a big fan for a long time, 315 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:18.399 and when this whole thing came out, I was so 316 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.639 upset by it. I deleted all the music. I deleted everything, 317 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.799 and I thought, you know what, after reading this and 318 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.000 after thinking, you know, there's still songs from way back 319 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:30.639 when that I like, and I've sort of slowly been 320 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:32.960 introducing them back in my playlist and I don't feel 321 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.039 bad about it. And that's is you're coming. You're talking 322 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:37.440 to somebody who was you know, my father is Jewish, 323 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:40.000 so I grew up you know, with Jewish culture as well, 324 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.519 so it's not like it's foreign to me. But yeah, 325 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:45.200 you know, it's I do think you think. 326 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.440 I do think that because we know so much about 327 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.840 people and artists and we know their flaws, which we 328 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:53.799 never did before. 329 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:54.399 Right. 330 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.919 I mean, look, let's face at the stars of the 331 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:59.639 thirty forties and fifties, every you know, everything was hush gosh, 332 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:01.320 no one knew what was going on in the back room. 333 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.920 They hired a publicist to deny things. You couldn't learn 334 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:09.160 things about them. Now they hire a publicist to promote 335 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:10.480 things about themselves. 336 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.279 Right, right, But but right, so, you know, I think 337 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:20.200 that you need to separate what and you need to 338 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:24.519 separate the flaws with the artists. In other words, yeah, 339 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:27.720 you know, if there's well, I don't know about Chris Brown. 340 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.400 I mean, he beats women. I can't I can't handle that. 341 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.319 But but if he still has fans, he still has 342 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:36.599 and by him. Did you see that the prison where 343 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:40.160 they're keeping him, did you see the Yeah, women are 344 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:43.519 applying for a job as guards there. There's an opening 345 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.599 for a guard and they're getting thousands of women sending 346 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.319 videos begging for that job. I'll work for free. 347 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.599 It's insane that that's crazy. I mean, it's just insane. 348 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:56.920 But you know, you can separate the artist and the art. 349 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.200 You could separate the art and the artist. I think 350 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:01.559 it's okay to do that. You know, you could separate that. 351 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:03.400 Like you could sit there and you say, because you know, 352 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.160 I've heard Kanye stuff and it's good, you know, and 353 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.039 then you go, do I not listen to it because 354 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:13.599 of these anti Semitic remarks? And I mean, you know, 355 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.960 I think that's up to an individual's choice. Now, what 356 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:20.640 do I think is happening here? I think that people 357 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:24.039 at that level are so accustomed to fame they do 358 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.519 anything they can to hang on to it. He's got 359 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:30.039 twenty four Grammy Awards, He's considered a musical genius. He's 360 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.680 considered a fashion genius. What would the sneakers? My kids 361 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:34.319 had them what they call them? 362 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:35.759 Yeah, yeezys. 363 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:38.440 I mean, I was like, what what youse. I mean 364 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.680 people loved them, they were like the thing. Yeah, and 365 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.440 I think with Kanye that wasn't enough, you know, so 366 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:46.400 maybe his star was fading a little bit. 367 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:49.160 I've got to come up with something else. 368 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.400 More than Kim Kardashian didn't help either. I mean, she's 369 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.440 a billionaire and she's one of the most famous women 370 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:58.480 on the planet, and not being associated with her anymore 371 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:00.160 I think was definitely damaging. 372 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.000 For her right and he can't handle it. So he 373 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:08.599 is grasping at straws. So when he produces something like 374 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:12.440 this Heyle Hitler, which is an antisemitic song, I think 375 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:17.359 he's so desperate for attention he's putting it out there, 376 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.079 and then when the backlash is so bad, this is 377 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:21.559 the spin. 378 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:22.759 That's what I think. 379 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:25.759 Part of my side I see, because that has been 380 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:27.160 my argument this whole conversation. 381 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:31.519 Well, no, I think, well, that doesn't that doesn't justify it. 382 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:35.680 I mean, that doesn't judst to me. That's like, do 383 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.680 I believe that Kanye. I think he's, yeah, he's so 384 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:42.240 desperate for attention that he put this out there. 385 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:46.119 But it's also it's almost to me Cooper, it's. 386 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:50.240 As bad because he has no regard for he has 387 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:53.960 no regard for the Jewish race because he wants to 388 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:58.319 benefit from from the publicity of it. Like he has 389 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.400 no regard for people's feelings because you wants to be popular, 390 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:03.839 because he wants to be shocking. Is anti semitic? Like 391 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.440 there's just a difference. You know, you could take things 392 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.519 too far. You know, you can. 393 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.920 Literally the consequences the consequences here, you're right, because the 394 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:14.799 problem is he's saying the stuff to his fans who 395 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.240 don't understand that a lot of the things that he's 396 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:20.799 saying are supposed to be art. They're taking it like, oh, okay, 397 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:22.119 so we have to be we could be out there 398 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.119 hating Jews. Thank you, like, thank you for normalizing this 399 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:25.720 for us. 400 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:28.200 Well, right, okay, thank you that that's very good. Thank 401 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:29.759