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Speaker 2: off now with one of my favorite people, Cooper Lawrence
Speaker 2: are joining us CBS Entertainment reporter Cooper.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us here on Night Side always.
Speaker 3: And you know, usually when I come here, I like
Speaker 3: to try to bring you something that nobody has ever
Speaker 3: heard before. You know, I can come here and just
Speaker 3: like tell you what's on TMZ, but you can go
Speaker 3: look at that yourself. I try to bring you something
Speaker 3: that you don't know, that you've never heard, that is unique,
Speaker 3: that's just for you and your audience. And I think
Speaker 3: I've succeeded tonight.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt she's going to succeed with that tonight,
Speaker 2: and that is a major market teece by Cooper. And
Speaker 2: what I find so funny is when I asked Cooper
Speaker 2: to cab on, I don't know, a week or two ago,
Speaker 2: when I knew I was filling for Dan, I said,
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna be light because there's some heavy
Speaker 2: stuff going on in Boston, right So I said, tonight
Speaker 2: we're going to start things off. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about entertainment and what are we doing. We're talking about
Speaker 2: Diddy Combs in court, We're talking about you Jackman divorce.
Speaker 2: We're talking about drama with the Beckham family and that's right,
Speaker 2: and Blake and Taylor Swift, right, So we're just picking
Speaker 2: up where we left off last night.
Speaker 1: More drama.
Speaker 2: But would you have and I find this fascinating some
Speaker 2: new information regarding Kanye West, who has this song out
Speaker 2: Kyle Hitler which is intersemitic and just insane. And we're
Speaker 2: really going to get into this topic. But what can
Speaker 2: you tell us that you have that has not been
Speaker 2: unearthed yet?
Speaker 3: Well, fortunately for you guys, I am actually very close
Speaker 3: with Kanye's attorneys and I love them. They're fabulous and
Speaker 3: they are always willing to dish, not anything that they're
Speaker 3: not allowed to say they'd be sued for. But they
Speaker 3: have not just told me everything about Kanye, but they
Speaker 3: gave me a document that they filed in a California court.
Speaker 3: And are we going right into it now because I
Speaker 3: want to read a piece of it to you. Absolutely
Speaker 3: let it rip, okay, all right? So they Kanye is
Speaker 3: being sued by a former employee over some of this
Speaker 3: anti semitic rhetoric that he has been saying, and some
Speaker 3: of it is stuff that she claims to be texted
Speaker 3: to her and that she suddenly is claiming now that
Speaker 3: she's also Jewish, so it's even more offensive. Their argument is, basically,
Speaker 3: in a nutshell, all this stuff about anti Semitism is
Speaker 3: an act. It's all an act. It's all to draw attention.
Speaker 3: It's the opposite of what you're thinking. And the fact
Speaker 3: that his fans and people around him aren't getting the
Speaker 3: joke and aren't understanding that he is basically lamb basing
Speaker 3: people that are anti Semitic in the same way that
Speaker 3: people would be saying the same thing about, you know,
Speaker 3: being African American, for example. He's digging into that the
Speaker 3: way he talks about slavery, he's now talking that way
Speaker 3: about being Jewish and anti Semitic and all that sort
Speaker 3: of thing. So he is basically saying, here's here's part
Speaker 3: of the document that they submitted. They are claiming he
Speaker 3: is a cultural icon, a twenty four time Grammy winning artist,
Speaker 3: fashion pioneer, polymath music, design, film theology, performance art, civil
Speaker 3: rights advocate. He is not merely a creator. He is art.
Speaker 3: That's their argument that all of this is performance art.
Speaker 3: Everything that he's been saying, all this rhetoric is just
Speaker 3: performance art, and if you don't get that that's not
Speaker 3: his problem, you buy it. You know, their arguments pretty good.
Speaker 3: They go on and talk about how his let me
Speaker 3: just read you this one more thing, thought it was
Speaker 3: very interesting. He's they're saying that he's performative invocation of
Speaker 3: Nazim and Jewish tropes is no different than boundary pushing
Speaker 3: humor of people like mel Brooks, Charlie Chaplin, Larry David,
Speaker 3: Ricky Gervais.
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 3: They're basically yeah, well, they're basically saying that mel Brooks
Speaker 3: can say it. He says anti he says things that
Speaker 3: could be perceived anti semitic by somebody who's not Jewish,
Speaker 3: but because mel Brooks says it, it's okay, the same
Speaker 3: way Kanye talks about slavery because he's black, so he
Speaker 3: can say it. So that's the gist of the argument
Speaker 3: here is that this is all an artistic endeavor. Kanye
Speaker 3: has since apologized, But the question is is he apologizing
Speaker 3: because people are not getting his art, or because he's
Speaker 3: not making the kind of money he was making and
Speaker 3: he's realizing that he's just too hated.
Speaker 2: I don't buy it. I'm just not buying it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not buying it. I think that it's very it's
Speaker 2: a very creative defense. I have to give his defense
Speaker 2: team credit. I think it's a very creative spin because
Speaker 2: that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm thinking, have you ever seen a movie Liberty Heights?
Speaker 3: No, what movie is that?
Speaker 1: It's Barry Levinson's. It came out.
Speaker 2: It came out just after Diner, right, and it's about
Speaker 2: Barry Lovelyicly he and his friends growing up in Baltimore
Speaker 2: and they were Jewish and dealing with an anti Semitic
Speaker 2: pool club and so forth. And in one of the scenes,
Speaker 2: Joe Montagna plays the father and he's a bookie and
Speaker 2: the son from Halloween comes out dressed as Hitler.
Speaker 1: Right, So again the family is Jewish.
Speaker 2: And now I'm I'm not Jewish, but my wife is
Speaker 2: Jewish and my kids are Jewish. So I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm an equal opportunity guy. Man, I'm like, whatever works, right, listen.
Speaker 2: I can write a check to a temple, I can
Speaker 2: write a check to a Catholic church.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 2: Whatever gives you, I mean, in all sincerity, whatever gives
Speaker 2: you peace. I think that you that's the thing. But
Speaker 2: so and obviously Joe Montagna, who's playing a Jewish father,
Speaker 2: is like out of his mind, like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: So it's comedic, and it's Barry Levinson who's Jewish, who
Speaker 2: documented his Jewish life growing up in Baltimore, and it's
Speaker 2: a and I think it's a very popular movie in
Speaker 2: that regard. I don't remember anybody saying that that was offensive.
Speaker 2: If Kanye West comes out dressed as Hitler, that's a problem.
Speaker 2: Now if Barry Levinson runs a scene that is racist
Speaker 2: or comes out having a I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to term this without being but if
Speaker 2: Barry Levitton comes out with a whip like Bobby knight
Speaker 2: right and he's an African American and says, oh, it's
Speaker 2: to start, that's a problem.
Speaker 3: So, but the point that Kanye is making, and I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm not just sending him, I'm just giving you there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know you're not. I get it.
Speaker 3: The point, the point they're making is that if Barry
Speaker 3: Levinson does it, it's considered racist and that's shocking and
Speaker 3: it's upsetting. That's what Kanye is saying here. He's basically
Speaker 3: saying that he's the things he's saying about Jews is
Speaker 3: the same things that other people are saying about black people,
Speaker 3: and slavery and Nazism is the same thing as slavery.
Speaker 3: So he's making the parallel there, and it's I think
Speaker 3: it's somewhere in between. I don't think it's fin And
Speaker 3: I also don't think that. Do I think Kanye is antisemitic? Now,
Speaker 3: of course I don't. I don't think he's an anti Semite.
Speaker 3: I think he's somebody that is a lightning rod and
Speaker 3: likes to get attention. Whether it's the height of narcissism,
Speaker 3: whether he's just trying to draw attention to himself to
Speaker 3: be provocative because he wants to sell music, so whatever
Speaker 3: his motivation, I think he went too far, Yes, But
Speaker 3: I think people don't understand that he's trying to make
Speaker 3: the correlation between He's talking about Judaism the same way
Speaker 3: people talk about slavery, and he's trying to make that
Speaker 3: point that you should be you should be shocked, you
Speaker 3: should be upset, and he's drawing attention to that feeling
Speaker 3: of being outraged.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think of Kanye coming to
Speaker 2: actually we get a lot more to talk about here.
Speaker 2: New information with Cooper Lawrence from CBS Entertainment regarding Kanye West,
Speaker 2: his his defense team or his public defense team, if
Speaker 2: you will, regarding his release of Yle Hitler.
Speaker 1: More coming up on WBZ Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wb Z
Speaker 2: Boston's News Radio. Welcome back to Nightside, Gary Tankway for
Speaker 2: Dan Tonight. Cooper Lawrence with us from CBS Entertainment. We're
Speaker 2: talking about Kanye West and now how his PR team is.
Speaker 2: People have come out and said that he is not
Speaker 2: anti Semitic, and the song Kyle Hitler was actually to
Speaker 2: prove a point to show that he was. He's an
Speaker 2: artist and he's shocking people. I don't buy it. Cooper's
Speaker 2: just reporting the facts, you know, Cooper. When this first
Speaker 2: came out and they talked about, you know, Kanye being
Speaker 2: anti Semitic and for that matter, Kyrie Irving, I was
Speaker 2: just looking up how he was suspended from the NBA
Speaker 2: for five times for some comments that he made that
Speaker 2: he said, we're not anti semitic and we're not taking
Speaker 2: correctly and so forth. I just didn't understand it because
Speaker 2: in Boston and you may not be aware of this.
Speaker 2: Bill Russell and Read our Back were brothers. I mean
Speaker 2: they were brothers. And the connection was when Bill Russell
Speaker 2: came to play for the Celtics, he dealt with racism
Speaker 2: as an African American man, as did Red our Back
Speaker 2: as a Jewish American. So they had this common bond.
Speaker 2: And I do know in Boston that there were of
Speaker 2: a lot of Jewish families that, because of our Back,
Speaker 2: connected with the Celtics, connected with African Americans, and there
Speaker 2: was sort of a bond because they both had this
Speaker 2: battle of anti Semitism and racism. So when Kanye came
Speaker 2: out with it, I'm like, the whole thing just didn't
Speaker 2: make sense to me. And then when Kyrie and Kyrie
Speaker 2: sometimes just says things without even thinking, I'm like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You know, but you know, not an artist, Kyrie Irving
Speaker 3: is not known as an artist. He's not known as
Speaker 3: somebody who is out there to be provocative in order
Speaker 3: to make money and to get his art out there.
Speaker 3: He's a basketball player.
Speaker 1: Basketball right, Yeah, it's basketball right correct?
Speaker 3: Okay, just check it. You know you know me, you
Speaker 3: know me and sportsball? Uh you know, he's, yeah, he
Speaker 3: put put this there. Put he's he's going to put
Speaker 3: this ball in that net or wherever you put a
Speaker 3: ball in basketball. But the idea is, you know, Kanye,
Speaker 3: let me read you one more thing. So this is
Speaker 3: this is on his PR team. These are his lawyers.
Speaker 3: This is this is a motion that was filed in
Speaker 3: California court. This is to me, this is shocking that
Speaker 3: they're saying this.
Speaker 1: That they're why do they have to why do they
Speaker 1: have to go to court with this?
Speaker 3: Oh no, because he's being sued by a former employee
Speaker 3: who claims that he's that these anti Semitic things that
Speaker 3: he texted her or said around the office or whatever
Speaker 3: are offensive to her. And she's she's a sued for
Speaker 3: wrongful termination. She was hired to do a job. When
Speaker 3: she got there, she wouldn't do the job she was
Speaker 3: hired to do, and they gave her many many chances
Speaker 3: and finally fired her. And now she's turning around saying that,
Speaker 3: you know, he's an anti Semite and he treated me
Speaker 3: terribly while I was there. No, he to do a
Speaker 3: specific job. You refuse to do that job, That's why
Speaker 3: you were fired. So this is they're saying that it's retaliatory,
Speaker 3: but there's a line in here in this motion that
Speaker 3: I think is interesting. Ye by any measure, is one
Speaker 3: of the most influential artistic figures of his generation. He
Speaker 3: is internationally acclaimed whose life and work blur the lines
Speaker 3: between daily existence and artistic performance. His music, fashion presence,
Speaker 3: tapestry of artistic provocation, challenges societal societal norms, and confronts
Speaker 3: cultural taboos. That's their argument. They're saying that he is
Speaker 3: literally trying to be provocative, that we're at a point
Speaker 3: right now in our society where I mean, what was that,
Speaker 3: sudd You were genuinely shocked, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like things happen all the time. You're like, wow, that's
Speaker 3: really terrible. You shocked, Nath. You know, things happened between
Speaker 3: social media and the crazy news going on and I'm
Speaker 3: mind talking politics, just weird things that are just happening
Speaker 3: in the world. It's really hard to shock. I mean,
Speaker 3: you're an artist trying to get attention and trying to
Speaker 3: do the next creative thing. You know, Madonna did it
Speaker 3: for so long. She kept trying to shock her fans
Speaker 3: and shock the world by changing up her look and
Speaker 3: her narrative and doing something provocative. But she leaned into
Speaker 3: the sexual aspect of things. Kanye's doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: He's just leaning into the social the the taboos, the
Speaker 3: things that we should not be talking about.
Speaker 2: But when Madonna did it, it was herself, it was
Speaker 2: her body. It wasn't a race or an ethnicity.
Speaker 3: That's true, you know.
Speaker 2: So I remember when Kanye was on Jimmy Kimball and
Speaker 2: he sat with Trump. Remember he went to see Trump
Speaker 2: at the White House, and Kanye's sitting there talking to
Speaker 2: Trump and Trump is.
Speaker 1: Like lost, He's like, what is this dude doing here?
Speaker 1: What is going on? Right?
Speaker 2: And Kanye is like trying to I just went I
Speaker 2: mean that conversation, Oh my god. I wish I could
Speaker 2: have been in that room. And then Kimo said, why
Speaker 2: would you support Trump? And you know, Kanye didn't have
Speaker 2: an answer. I think what happens to Kanye is, yes,
Speaker 2: he does want to shock, he does want to remain
Speaker 2: in the headlines.
Speaker 1: And the twenty four Grammy Awards are not enough. Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big music I mean, I'm an okay
Speaker 2: music guy. I'm not an aficionado. But I did see
Speaker 2: Kanye at the super Bowl along with Rihanna, and I
Speaker 2: can honestly say it was one of the best shows
Speaker 2: I have ever seen. And I don't really know a
Speaker 2: lot about both artists. I know they're extremely talented, they're
Speaker 2: extremely gifted, and the guy's probably a genius. Now, when
Speaker 2: you're at that level, you're also bordering on insanity.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not. I mean it's true.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you talk about the great the great
Speaker 2: artists of our time, you know, whether it's you know,
Speaker 2: cutting off your ear or you know, I need to
Speaker 2: take a nap to come up with the theory of relativity,
Speaker 2: they're on a different level than us.
Speaker 1: And I believe he is right.
Speaker 3: There's definitely mental illness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I believe he is because his music.
Speaker 2: You can't dispute the success of his music and the
Speaker 2: quality of his music.
Speaker 1: You just can't. Oh sure, Yeah, there's no doubt. But
Speaker 1: there's something that happens.
Speaker 3: I was I was a big fan for a long time,
Speaker 3: and when this whole thing came out, I was so
Speaker 3: upset by it. I deleted all the music. I deleted everything,
Speaker 3: and I thought, you know what, after reading this and
Speaker 3: after thinking, you know, there's still songs from way back
Speaker 3: when that I like, and I've sort of slowly been
Speaker 3: introducing them back in my playlist and I don't feel
Speaker 3: bad about it. And that's is you're coming. You're talking
Speaker 3: to somebody who was you know, my father is Jewish,
Speaker 3: so I grew up you know, with Jewish culture as well,
Speaker 3: so it's not like it's foreign to me. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it's I do think you think.
Speaker 2: I do think that because we know so much about
Speaker 2: people and artists and we know their flaws, which we
Speaker 2: never did before.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, let's face at the stars of the
Speaker 2: thirty forties and fifties, every you know, everything was hush gosh,
Speaker 2: no one knew what was going on in the back room.
Speaker 3: They hired a publicist to deny things. You couldn't learn
Speaker 3: things about them. Now they hire a publicist to promote
Speaker 3: things about themselves.
Speaker 2: Right, right, But but right, so, you know, I think
Speaker 2: that you need to separate what and you need to
Speaker 2: separate the flaws with the artists. In other words, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, if there's well, I don't know about Chris Brown.
Speaker 1: I mean, he beats women. I can't I can't handle that.
Speaker 3: But but if he still has fans, he still has
Speaker 3: and by him. Did you see that the prison where
Speaker 3: they're keeping him, did you see the Yeah, women are
Speaker 3: applying for a job as guards there. There's an opening
Speaker 3: for a guard and they're getting thousands of women sending
Speaker 3: videos begging for that job. I'll work for free.
Speaker 2: It's insane that that's crazy. I mean, it's just insane.
Speaker 2: But you know, you can separate the artist and the art.
Speaker 2: You could separate the art and the artist. I think
Speaker 2: it's okay to do that. You know, you could separate that.
Speaker 2: Like you could sit there and you say, because you know,
Speaker 2: I've heard Kanye stuff and it's good, you know, and
Speaker 2: then you go, do I not listen to it because
Speaker 2: of these anti Semitic remarks? And I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I think that's up to an individual's choice. Now, what
Speaker 2: do I think is happening here? I think that people
Speaker 2: at that level are so accustomed to fame they do
Speaker 2: anything they can to hang on to it. He's got
Speaker 2: twenty four Grammy Awards, He's considered a musical genius. He's
Speaker 2: considered a fashion genius. What would the sneakers? My kids
Speaker 2: had them what they call them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeezys.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was like, what what youse. I mean
Speaker 2: people loved them, they were like the thing. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I think with Kanye that wasn't enough, you know, so
Speaker 2: maybe his star was fading a little bit.
Speaker 1: I've got to come up with something else.
Speaker 3: More than Kim Kardashian didn't help either. I mean, she's
Speaker 3: a billionaire and she's one of the most famous women
Speaker 3: on the planet, and not being associated with her anymore
Speaker 3: I think was definitely damaging.
Speaker 2: For her right and he can't handle it. So he
Speaker 2: is grasping at straws. So when he produces something like
Speaker 2: this Heyle Hitler, which is an antisemitic song, I think
Speaker 2: he's so desperate for attention he's putting it out there,
Speaker 2: and then when the backlash is so bad, this is
Speaker 2: the spin.
Speaker 1: That's what I think.
Speaker 3: Part of my side I see, because that has been
Speaker 3: my argument this whole conversation.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I think, well, that doesn't that doesn't justify it.
Speaker 2: I mean, that doesn't judst to me. That's like, do
Speaker 2: I believe that Kanye. I think he's, yeah, he's so
Speaker 2: desperate for attention that he put this out there.
Speaker 1: But it's also it's almost to me Cooper, it's.
Speaker 2: As bad because he has no regard for he has
Speaker 2: no regard for the Jewish race because he wants to
Speaker 2: benefit from from the publicity of it. Like he has
Speaker 2: no regard for people's feelings because you wants to be popular,
Speaker 2: because he wants to be shocking. Is anti semitic? Like
Speaker 2: there's just a difference. You know, you could take things
Speaker 2: too far. You know, you can.
Speaker 3: Literally the consequences the consequences here, you're right, because the
Speaker 3: problem is he's saying the stuff to his fans who
Speaker 3: don't understand that a lot of the things that he's
Speaker 3: saying are supposed to be art. They're taking it like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: so we have to be we could be out there
Speaker 3: hating Jews. Thank you, like, thank you for normalizing this
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 2: Well, right, okay, thank you that that's very good. Thank
Speaker 2: you for putting it. You put it much better than
Speaker 2: I did. But he can say it's art, but it's
Speaker 2: damaging art. It's damaging. It's it's it is damaging.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's note.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm a free speech girl. This is
Speaker 3: a First Amendment thing, and I feel like you can
Speaker 3: disagree with it. And that's that's the argument they make.
Speaker 3: I mean, they make there's a whole other section in
Speaker 3: this motion that is just about the First Amendment and
Speaker 3: freedom of speech and you know, hate speech, and that's
Speaker 3: sort of that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree, I agree with you on that.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's why they're KKK. That's why the Ku
Speaker 2: Klux Klan can march. I mean you have to, that
Speaker 2: would be I don't think anybody in America would say
Speaker 2: you can't allow Kanye to say this.
Speaker 1: Of course not. You have to.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's what our country is built on. But
Speaker 2: he's coming out now. I mean also also think about
Speaker 2: why he's coming out. He's coming out because somebody's suing them.
Speaker 2: I mean, would he be saying this now if he
Speaker 2: wasn't getting sued by somebody for sexual harassment or for
Speaker 2: wrongful termination?
Speaker 3: Right? I mean the apology, the timing of the apology
Speaker 3: is a little suspect. I agree with you, because he
Speaker 3: did come out and apologize and said he basically said that,
Speaker 3: you know for everyone that he said, I am I
Speaker 3: love all people, I am done with anti Semitism, and
Speaker 3: then went on about God for about four or five sentences.
Speaker 2: But I have heard yeah, but I have heard his
Speaker 2: religious what's the religious ceremony he has that he did
Speaker 2: it in Northern California.
Speaker 1: I forgot what.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he does Sunday mornings whatever it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Sunday service.
Speaker 2: May not be my thing, but I have heard and
Speaker 2: read people say it's amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: That's where the conflict lies. This is where the conflict lies.
Speaker 3: That there's a side of him that is very loving
Speaker 3: and peaceful and cares about God and cares about people
Speaker 3: and is very relatable. And then there's this other side
Speaker 3: to him where he's trying to be provocative and he's
Speaker 3: doing it at the expense of somebody else's pain.
Speaker 1: Excellent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, I want to get into this wrongful
Speaker 2: termination think because I have a question about that.
Speaker 1: We're going to continue to talk about this. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into p Diddy.
Speaker 2: Cooper Lawrence CBVIUS Entertainment had some breaking some new information
Speaker 2: regarding Kanye West in his situation. More coming up with
Speaker 2: Cooper right after this on WBC's Nightside.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Back here with Cooper Lawrence from CBS Entertainment getting into
Speaker 2: the juicy stuff. Here some breaking news regarding Kanye West
Speaker 2: and an employee who is suing him from wrong, wrongful termination.
Speaker 2: And so he has come out and he has said
Speaker 2: that his anti semi ways and his high Hitler song
Speaker 2: was all part of a plan to raise awareness and
Speaker 2: he is actually not anti Semitic, and it was to
Speaker 2: be controversial.
Speaker 1: I think I have that all right. Art it's art.
Speaker 3: He is art. It is art. We're just too stupid
Speaker 3: to realize it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sure, well there are times when art this
Speaker 2: doesn't work, and you and I both agree it's you
Speaker 2: have the first Amendment, you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: But I think he's backpedaling because I think this has
Speaker 2: done a lot of damage to him now. But I
Speaker 2: want to get why not settle with the employee? Like
Speaker 2: she says, okay, wrongful termination? Why not just pay her off.
Speaker 3: Because that's what she wants. She so she basically they
Speaker 3: are claiming in this in this document, this motion, they're
Speaker 3: claiming that she basically set all this up in order
Speaker 3: to get a big payout. She's doing this for money,
Speaker 3: and they're not going to be extorted like that. They're
Speaker 3: not going to allow that she was It's not wrong
Speaker 3: full termination. She was terminated for very good reasons and
Speaker 3: he's not going to pay her. She came there, did
Speaker 3: not do the job that she was hired to do,
Speaker 3: and now she wants him to pay her. No, he's
Speaker 3: not gonna It doesn't matter how much money he has.
Speaker 3: She's wrong and he's not going to be blackmailed.
Speaker 2: Now you may have mentioned this before, but do you
Speaker 2: know the details of what he is a legend she did.
Speaker 1: To set this up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, and you know I do, which is
Speaker 3: why I always bring everything to you. Okay, So this
Speaker 3: is very interesting. She she is a well known publicist.
Speaker 3: He hired her as a publicist because he was working
Speaker 3: on a couple of different projects. One of them is
Speaker 3: called his easy Porn Project. We don't know what it
Speaker 3: is exactly. Again, what it's called the easy Porn project.
Speaker 3: That is one of the things that she was hired
Speaker 3: to work on. Well, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: It could just again, something else provocative. He's throw the
Speaker 3: word porn in something and you know, maybe they're teddy
Speaker 3: bears and he just he's calling them porn bear. Who
Speaker 3: knows just the idea of the word porn, you know.
Speaker 3: So she knew who she was getting in bed with.
Speaker 3: She knew that she was being hired by Kanye West,
Speaker 3: who was a very provocative person who does crazy stuff,
Speaker 3: who's been accused of all kinds of mental illness and whatever,
Speaker 3: and she refused to promote certain things that she was
Speaker 3: hired to promote. Now, you're not doing this as a favor.
Speaker 3: You are an in house publicist and you are hired
Speaker 3: to promote whatever it is that artist is asking you
Speaker 3: to promote for them. You do not get a say
Speaker 3: in the artistic expression here. So she refused to do
Speaker 3: a bunch of the things that she was hired to do,
Speaker 3: and she was given lots and lots of opportunities, and
Speaker 3: she had some bizarre behavior on her own. There are
Speaker 3: employees that came forward that claimed that she suddenly started
Speaker 3: speaking in you know, like ebonic you know, she started
Speaker 3: using very like she started speaking in a very African
Speaker 3: American hip hoppy kind of way, which is not the
Speaker 3: way she spoke, and a lot of people felt offended
Speaker 3: by that. She also had different wigs that she would
Speaker 3: come in in different days and she would call them
Speaker 3: her characters. So they realized very quickly that she was
Speaker 3: really there to promote herself. She wasn't there. I mean
Speaker 3: she's a pr person for herself, so that became a problem.
Speaker 3: And when they said to her, listen, we like you,
Speaker 3: we want you to work here. We don't want you
Speaker 3: to cause problems. Can you stop with the crazy stuff
Speaker 3: and just do your job? She refused, and they gave
Speaker 3: her lots of chances, and then finally she set up
Speaker 3: a project where she could make money, not Kanye, and
Speaker 3: they said that's it, we can't take anymore, and they
Speaker 3: terminated her. And now she's saying, oh, well, I'm Jewish
Speaker 3: and he said Nazi to me many times, so it
Speaker 3: seems retaliatory on her part, and they are refusing to
Speaker 3: pay her this low ar to payout that you want.
Speaker 2: Okay, and then she forces his hand to come out
Speaker 2: and say that this was all art and he's not
Speaker 2: really anti Semitic, and it was artistic expression.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: It sounds like they make great bedfellows because they're both insane.
Speaker 3: That's you know. I got to say, if you're somebody
Speaker 3: like Kanye, you can't hire normal people to work for you.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna work. You can't do that. You got
Speaker 3: to have people as out there as you. But the
Speaker 3: problem is when you get people as out there as
Speaker 3: you are, you know, you have to deal with their
Speaker 3: problems as well and their craziness as well. So I
Speaker 3: think it's it's I think it's not easy to be
Speaker 3: in the public eye in general, a celebrity of any kind.
Speaker 3: But I think Kanye makes things hard for himself because
Speaker 3: he sets these standards so high that he has to
Speaker 3: be better than everybody else, make the most money, be
Speaker 3: the craziest, you know.
Speaker 2: So do you think so the theory is I'm not
Speaker 2: saying this is what you think, but I mean the
Speaker 2: theory is he's not anti Semitic. He was doing to publicity.
Speaker 2: What about the Trump had what about being pro Trump?
Speaker 2: Was he doing that for publicity too? Or is he
Speaker 2: really a Trump supporter?
Speaker 3: What's interesting about that? And I'm gonna plug my book
Speaker 3: for a second Celebritocracy. But in my book Celebritocracy, I
Speaker 3: did a lot of interviews with people who worked in
Speaker 3: and around Kim Kardashian and Kanye West when she was
Speaker 3: getting very involved with all of her prisoner released stuff
Speaker 3: and her advocate advocate work that she was doing for
Speaker 3: prisoners wrongfully convicted, and they turned to Trump to help them.
Speaker 3: He was president at the time, and he was very
Speaker 3: involved and he actually helped her get people released that
Speaker 3: should not be wrong wrongfully convicted, or that did minor
Speaker 3: things that had these crazy sentences that didn't you know,
Speaker 3: didn't fit the crime. So I think his relationship and
Speaker 3: friendship with Trump had more to do with his wife's
Speaker 3: advocacy and her work as a at the time potential lawyer.
Speaker 3: You know, now she's passed the bar, so she's officially
Speaker 3: a lawyer, But at the time, I think, you know
Speaker 3: that that's where the friendship originated. And I think he
Speaker 3: realized Trump is such a lightning rod he needed to
Speaker 3: align himself with somebody else who was getting that kind
Speaker 3: of attention. So I think he likes to be in
Speaker 3: the public eye. And who's in the public eye President Trump.
Speaker 2: Well, and Trump is very good at getting people out
Speaker 2: of jail, as we know lately. I mean, that seems
Speaker 2: to be his thing. I mean, if you if you
Speaker 2: support him, he'll pardon anybody, you know. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the way it goes with Trump. Ted Bundy, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: Trump support, There you go, kid.
Speaker 1: You're out.
Speaker 2: It's a little that, it's a little nuts, but that's
Speaker 2: a very good point. Cooper and that's that's inside film.
Speaker 2: Now that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Side Buld, what do you think of her passing the bar.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of.
Speaker 2: People thought that this was just some publicity stunt or
Speaker 2: just some fad, but it's she's legit.
Speaker 3: You know. I think her relationship with Van Jones is
Speaker 3: very interesting. I think once she she worked for his
Speaker 3: law firm, so she didn't go to law school. She did,
Speaker 3: she passed, she took the baby bar. I guess that
Speaker 3: the other way you could become a lawyer in California
Speaker 3: is if you do enough work under the auspices of
Speaker 3: the of the right law firm, which is what she did.
Speaker 3: And she got very close with Van Jones, and I
Speaker 3: think he really helped her to do more than just
Speaker 3: this will be fun, and really take it seriously, you know,
Speaker 3: and really take her advocacy works seriously. You know. I
Speaker 3: had the same experience, Not that I'm comparing myself to Kitmgardashian,
Speaker 3: but I remember when I was working at Z one
Speaker 3: hundred in New York, and I remember little girls would
Speaker 3: come in dressed very provocatively, very young girl twelve thirteen
Speaker 3: years old, dressed very provocatively, and I was worried that
Speaker 3: they didn't really understand what message that was sending, and
Speaker 3: I started writing about it for a Cosmo Girl. At
Speaker 3: the time, I realized, you know, just some idiot on
Speaker 3: the radio writing wasn't really gonna do much. Let me
Speaker 3: go get a PhD, which I did. I got a
Speaker 3: PhD in psychology so that I could actually write things
Speaker 3: that could help change help parents, help parenting, help kids,
Speaker 3: help them understand, you know, a deeper understanding of what
Speaker 3: they're going through, what their experiences, and how pop culture
Speaker 3: is influencing their self esteem, their behaviors, their decision making.
Speaker 3: So I think that's sort of what's going on here
Speaker 3: with Kim Kardashian. She really wants to do good things
Speaker 3: for the world, but not as just a celebrities could
Speaker 3: write a check. She wants to get in there and
Speaker 3: do the dirty work. I mean, she's in her forties now,
Speaker 3: she can't how much longer could she show us her butt?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? She's got to do something
Speaker 3: more serious as she gets older.
Speaker 1: Well, it's admirable.
Speaker 2: And if she can do it, because listen, when you're
Speaker 2: in your forties, going to law school for three years
Speaker 2: doesn't really sound that appealing. I mean, and if you
Speaker 2: could do it in a way where you can get
Speaker 2: into the trenches right away. And let's face it, I mean,
Speaker 2: if she's trying to do some good, she's got the platform,
Speaker 2: she's got it.
Speaker 3: And that's the whole thing exactly. You know, there's only
Speaker 3: two ways celebrities can help. They could lend their name
Speaker 3: and that way the charity now has their name attached
Speaker 3: to it. Or they can write a check. That's all
Speaker 3: they have. Write a check or lend your name to something.
Speaker 3: She found a third way, you know, actually be a celebrity,
Speaker 3: but actually get a degree. That could that you could help,
Speaker 3: not just write a check, not just lend your name,
Speaker 3: you could actually be there in the trenches doing good
Speaker 3: for the world.
Speaker 2: Did she say that that has something to do with
Speaker 2: her dad, because obviously he was a lawyer.
Speaker 1: I mean that must have yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's that is her icon, that
Speaker 3: is her mentor that is somebody she was. She was
Speaker 3: definitely a daddy's girl, more so than the other than
Speaker 3: the other children.
Speaker 2: So doctor Cooper Lawrence, which is the way we should
Speaker 2: have been introducing you all along.
Speaker 3: Now I don't use that enough. I'm going to make
Speaker 3: you call me.
Speaker 2: Doctor for I would use it if I had a
Speaker 2: pH D. You damn right, I would doctor Cooper Lawrence.
Speaker 2: To wrap up this segment because I do want to
Speaker 2: get to p any next. What does this do for
Speaker 2: Cohn kind? I mean, is he done or does he
Speaker 2: have nine lives? Oh?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, oh god, No, He's not done. In fact,
Speaker 3: his last album did really really scary well, considering the
Speaker 3: messages that were that were in the album. No, he's
Speaker 3: not done at all. In fact, I think he's going
Speaker 3: to have to reinvent himself in a way that is
Speaker 3: more palatable to a wider range of an audience. He
Speaker 3: has his audience. He has people baked in that are
Speaker 3: willing to spend money and go to his listen. I've
Speaker 3: seen him live twice, so I'm not going to pretend
Speaker 3: like I don't love him as well. But I've had
Speaker 3: a hard time with what's been going on with him.
Speaker 3: So but I you know, I'm willing to forgive. We'll
Speaker 3: see what happens in the next in the next year
Speaker 3: or so, if he really turns things around and does
Speaker 3: something a little more you know, provocative, that is not
Speaker 3: at the expense of other people.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Coming up next to an update on the p Diddy
Speaker 2: trial is doctor Cooper Lawrence Joyce us here on WBZ.
Speaker 1: Right after this, it's Night Side with Dan Ray on
Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: All the entertainment news that's fit to listen to. Cooper
Speaker 2: Lawrence the first CBS Radio. We've been talking about Kanye
Speaker 2: West and how he's being sued by an employee now
Speaker 2: and now he's saying he's not anti Semitic, and the
Speaker 2: whole high hit Hitler thing was just to bring attention
Speaker 2: to anti semitism, as he seems to be doing a
Speaker 2: one eighty. So now let's turn to Sean Ditty Combs
Speaker 2: and the trial here, what is the latest? It seems
Speaker 2: that he's going away, but what is the latest and greatest? Here,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't even say greatest.
Speaker 1: What is the latest?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think people sort of too now because it
Speaker 3: all feels very overwhelming, and I don't know that everybody
Speaker 3: really fully understands racketeering and sex trafficking, the criteria for
Speaker 3: those sorts of things, and they did, oh whatever, But
Speaker 3: let me break it down in a way that makes
Speaker 3: it a little more palatable that you might be interested
Speaker 3: in what's gone in this case. So they're alleging, they're
Speaker 3: alleging racketeering. Okay, they have to prove that Ditty was
Speaker 3: the head of an illegal empire, an enterprise that committed crimes.
Speaker 3: It's as simple as that that they have to prove
Speaker 3: a minimum of two crimes. So they already have of two. Now,
Speaker 3: originally there were one hundred and twenty five accusations undertrada
Speaker 3: of people that came forward to accuse him, but the
Speaker 3: prosecution decided they were going to go with just the
Speaker 3: four or five people who had the best stories, the
Speaker 3: most credible, a lot of evidence, whether it's photos or
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, just so concrete evidence rather than
Speaker 3: he said she said or he said he said. So
Speaker 3: they had to kid Cutty. That rapper came in and
Speaker 3: he basically proved Arson, not proved. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: say proved, because you know, they haven't adjudicated this. It's
Speaker 3: still this is just the prosecution side. He set out
Speaker 3: a case for Arson, and that's one of the crimes
Speaker 3: that would fall into the racketeering umbrellas. And he did
Speaker 3: a pretty Arson. He did a pretty good job of
Speaker 3: talking about Combs blowing up a car, basically setting a
Speaker 3: car on fire as a recaliation, and so that's that
Speaker 3: that that qualifies.
Speaker 1: And then they also had I mean that could be
Speaker 1: attempted murder.
Speaker 3: It did, absolutely could if somebody was in the car,
Speaker 3: for sure, But I think he did it to a
Speaker 3: car he knew nobody was in. But you're you know what,
Speaker 3: You're right, But you know what, you blow up a
Speaker 3: car somebody's walking by, there's involuntary manslaughter. So it's not
Speaker 3: you know, you have that too. Capricorn Clark was Ditty's
Speaker 3: assistant at Bad Boy Records. She laid out a case
Speaker 3: as well for kidnapping, that he had kidnapped her, and
Speaker 3: not just in a funny cute way, in a very
Speaker 3: scary way. And she and another assistant who is only
Speaker 3: going by the name Mia right both laid out really
Speaker 3: compelling cases for everything that Cassie Venturres said last week
Speaker 3: that they were there for it all that they had.
Speaker 3: There was no choice. I mean, you either had to.
Speaker 3: If you didn't do what he said, she got beaten.
Speaker 3: If she did do what he said, she was basically
Speaker 3: sexually assaulted. And she was between a rock and a
Speaker 3: hard place the entire time. And they testify to how
Speaker 3: awful her life was and how little they could do
Speaker 3: about it. So, yeah, the abuse was pretty well documented
Speaker 3: on Cassie's parts. So what's really interesting? So they're laying
Speaker 3: out this very very what seems like a very solid case.
Speaker 3: So what's the defense. You know this the defense is
Speaker 3: going to is going to start next week. What are
Speaker 3: they going to say? Because it seems like how do
Speaker 3: you defend something like this? So the witness list they
Speaker 3: have is sealed. We don't know who the witnesses are yet,
Speaker 3: but presumably it's people who are going to say this
Speaker 3: was all consensual. I was there, Cassie wasn't being held
Speaker 3: against her will. There's another victim that's going by, Jane Doe.
Speaker 3: Jane Doe wasn't. Now they were there. There were enough
Speaker 3: prostitutes and hired sex workers who are probably going to
Speaker 3: take this and say, yeah, I was paid to do this.
Speaker 3: This was something that they wanted, that they wanted to happen.
Speaker 3: How do I know, I don't know them. They paid
Speaker 3: me to be there, right, So that's they're probably going
Speaker 3: to say that the accusations don't meet the standard for
Speaker 3: sex trafficking or racketeering, but that the video, the famous video,
Speaker 3: the Cassie video of him, I have to say, allegedly,
Speaker 3: even though you see the whole video of yourself, let's say,
Speaker 3: allegedly beating her in the hallway in an La hotel.
Speaker 3: He transported her across the country, according to Cassie, and
Speaker 3: when she refused, when she didn't want to be there,
Speaker 3: he showed her videos of herself and compromising positions and
Speaker 3: said that he was threatened her, said he was going
Speaker 3: to release them if she didn't do what he said.
Speaker 3: So him transporting her to La to then allegedly have
Speaker 3: sex with his friends, prostitutes, whatever he wanted, that's the
Speaker 3: sex trafficking. So his his defense is going to have
Speaker 3: to come and say, listen, they didn't meet the standard
Speaker 3: for any stuff. But the problem is all of these
Speaker 3: charges life in prison, that's what you get to these.
Speaker 3: This isn't like you get a couple of years and
Speaker 3: then you know the probation or time served. These are
Speaker 3: all charges that will get him life in prison. So
Speaker 3: the stakes are high.
Speaker 1: And he won't survive.
Speaker 3: Who knows, you know, maybe he'll thrive in prison.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, But when it comes to usually
Speaker 1: comes to these sorts of crimes. They don't. These guys
Speaker 1: don't do well. I think that.
Speaker 2: It's just really hard and it's so sickening when the
Speaker 2: defense is, well, she could have left if she wanted to, right,
Speaker 2: and we all know with domestic abuse and women that
Speaker 2: are sexually abused, you know, leaving is not a choice
Speaker 2: quite often, I mean the mental abuse and the physical abuse.
Speaker 1: But that's what they're going to say. It was consensual.
Speaker 2: She could have left any time she wanted, really could she.
Speaker 2: And that's the part that discussed me, Cooper. You're great,
Speaker 2: doctor Cooper Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: We appreciate the new information regarding Kanye. Will follow that story.
Speaker 2: People need to follow you on Instagram. CBS Entertainment reporter
Speaker 2: Cooper Lawrence, thanks for coming on, and we'll talk to
Speaker 2: you again.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Okay, see you, Cooper, Doctor Cooper Lawrence. She's so plugged
Speaker 2: in with stuff, I mean really good. She's got really
Speaker 2: good stuff. So follow on following Instagram and social media
Speaker 2: as well. Okay, coming up next, we're gonna talk to
Speaker 2: don Dan Shaughtessy about the Celtics and what a disaster
Speaker 2: this playoff season was and also a kid out of
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Speaker 1: It's a great story. Matt Dooley has it. It's all
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