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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host DJ Leaves. Well,

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we get ready for a holiday weekend in the United States,

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and we're never gonna lie to you on the Big

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Fight Weekend podcast if there ain't a whole lot going

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on in terms of what's in the ring. Nevertheless, we

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were not gonna stip this. We were not gonna not

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be here this weekend in some form, in some fashion.

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We are here. I am merely the somewhat capable host. TJ.

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Reeves are insider cantankerous as ever is Big Dan Rayhiel

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Fight Freaks Unit is the substack in the newsletter? Why

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are you not subscribed? Why are you not getting the info?

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The deats. Good to be back with you. We got

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all kinds of plans going on, all kinds of college

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football happening this weekend. Missus Reeves' birthday coming up soon,

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Labor Day Holiday, Tonsdowne's birthday. This was your birthday, which

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we'll get into in a moment. Tons happening. Just not

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a lot in the ring. Thank you for finding us. Typically,

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this is the preview pod of record where we would

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go over all the voluminous big time cards in the

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United States and elsewhere. Not a whole lot happening this

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weekend for various reasons. Make sure you're following subscribing on

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Apple's preaker Spotify. Whenever we go into the weekend, shall

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we just tell them up front we're good? But how

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do we do a recap podcast when there ain't a

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lot to recap? So? Are we are we taking Labor

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Day off? Are we calling it your birthday? What are

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we doing? Why don't we just peeps? We will be

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back when the fights are back here in early September

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and we're building the Canelo and Crawford. But you savages,

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do something with your families. What do you say, call

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your mother?

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Speaker 2: I call you, call your mother.

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Speaker 1: Do something with it, Go socialize, get out of the house,

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put the cheetos down with the keyboard, and go do

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something this weekend, preferably like.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to think they can be out doing things

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while listening headphone.

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Speaker 1: Now that's not to say that they don't have some

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meat on the bone on this podcast, news wise and

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nostalgia wise, we just don't have a lot to previews.

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So we'll kind of take the holiday weekend off. The

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weekend off and then come back rearing for September next week.

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So thank you for finding us. All right, tell me

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about the birthday, because you were telling me this before

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I hit the record button. That young Rayfield in particular

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had the sense of humor or was your wife? Was

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Missus Rayfield also in on this?

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Speaker 2: Well, she got in on it because my son was

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taunting me. He's been taunting me for like almost the ever,

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almost several months since I turned fifty five, that's right,

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a few days ago.

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Speaker 1: So you have joined me in the fifty five clubs.

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Sammy Hagar approves of us. Are you ready? I can't

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drive fifty five?

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: And so a young Field was onto a gag with.

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Speaker 2: You, and oh the well, we passed by like near

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not too far from our house. They're like, I'm sure

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a thousand communities around the United States there's an I

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Hoop restaurant mm hm. And we've gone occasionally for like

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a bronch or breakfast on the weekend or something like that.

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you know, fifty five and older seniors.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: So he's been taunting me knowing I'm gonna turn fifty

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five that dad, soon you can be eligible to order

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off the I Hop Senior menu, the senior menu. So

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my wife thought that was hilarious also, so they busted

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my chops about that, and so as a gag, I

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mean partly for them that we're actually gonna go. I

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wish you get IOPs as a sponsor for this freaking.

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Speaker 1: Say should be right now, it should be.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna go this weekend because they bought for

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like my quote unquote present, they bought a gift card

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to I hop for how much DJ I would.

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Speaker 1: Put predict fifty five dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, now I say this. They got a couple

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other things also, but that was I understand.

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Speaker 1: Let's say this a few years ago, probably ten years

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ago or longer. You could do some serious damage, not

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just in one sitting, but maybe on a couple of sittings.

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Speaker 2: How I'm hopeful that breakfast for three can.

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Speaker 1: Be How I'm not sure because now they're sur charging

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for eggs. You've seen this, or they put like the

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little addendum that we're charging you extra for eggs on

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Speaker 2: But I get the senior menu.

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Speaker 1: So is it true. That's true. It might be tapered

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what's on the senior menu.

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Speaker 1: I don't even have a gift card. And I was

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not aware that they have a discount for the fifty

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five and upcrowded I.

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it's just like a different thing.

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and five PM or something on the discount, like the

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early bird special. Happy birthday to you. You you have

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joined me. I took a picture in front of the

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speed limit sign and put it up on social media

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as fifty five, and I didn't put a caption. And

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you would not believe how many knuckleheads that are friends

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of mine on Facebook or peeps that follow me on

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Twitter couldn't get the reference. No, I mean people couldn't

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figure out why is TJ standing in front of a

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speed limit sign that says fifty five? And then finally

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two or three people figure it out and post on

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the comments, and then everybody else joins saying, ah, you

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figured it out, So that's what I did for fifty five.

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Missus Reeves, however, would like everybody to know that she

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is turning twenty nine once again. It's her anniversary of

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her twenty ninth birthday for this weekend, all right, with

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the pleasantries aside for our birthdays, etc. Report back to

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us on how it goes at IHOP, et cetera. Again,

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we gotta be honest with the audience. The only thing

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that's really going on is the return of Saddam Ali

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as a junior middleweight at about in Detroit this weekend.

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And we care about this because Ali used to be

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a bigger thing. Speaking of when I hoop was more affordable,

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two thousands, Saddam Ali was a little more known commodity

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late two thousands, early twenty tens, et cetera. And he's

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in the only real fight of record that's.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure it's a real fight.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is, are they Here's the other thing

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we're sitting here. Are they having the fight? Because you

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said to me a few days ago, I'm not positive

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they're having the fight, so we think they're having the fight,

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but go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So he hadn't fought for a while, they had him.

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He announced a comeback fight earlier in the year, and

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if reasons that were or maybe it was even at

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the end of last year, reasons that were never explained

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that the card was canceled. But I've been getting pressed

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releases about the event. I've talked to the publicists. Apparently

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it's happening taking place at the Wayne State field House

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in Detroit, a place where Demetrius Alida has put on

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some of his events and that sort of thing. Saddam

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United States Olympian. It was a great amateur fighter. As

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a professional, he ended up winning a world title. He

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sent Miguel Coto into retirement when he upset him to

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win the WBO title. I was at that fight. It

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was a huge deal. It took place at Madison Square Garden,

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so Saddam Ali was able to you know, that was

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Koto's house, but Saddam Ali was able to do that

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in front of his you know, his hometown. I mean,

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he's from Brooklyn. So even though most of the people

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that are rooting for Coto with the Puerto Rican fan

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base certainly was a huge deal for Saddam Ali to

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win that fight. You know, that was obviously the end

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of Miguel's career and he just walked away from the sport.

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obviously the the gel Coto at his absolute best is

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going to without without a shadow of a doubt, he's

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going to beat Saddam Ali. No disrespect to Saddam Ali,

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but nonetheless that's what happened. He lost a competitive but

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a decision. You know, it was like seven to five

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eighty four on the scorecards, and so and then Saddam Ali.

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pretty quickly, but then he retired or you know, I

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don't know if he just walked away or just decided

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he was done with the sport, whatever it was. But

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he hadn't fought since getting knocked out in the third

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round by Anthony Young in twenty nineteen. He hasn't fought since.

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So now six years later he's making his comeback. Says

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he misses boxing. He has his own promotional company and

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he's taken on a West Virginia club fighter. And you know,

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not to stereotype, but if you see a guy with

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a mediocre record or even a good record from West Virginia,

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chances are you can say the same back Kansas and

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Indiana and a few other places that don't exactly produce

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top notch fighters. Yeah, so Cody Wilson is fourteen and

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five with nine No one expects him coming off a

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six year laft to take on a big opponent. So

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that's what's going on.

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Speaker 1: He said, old Ali, do we think thirty six years old?

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Thirty six? Okay, he's not forty two. He's not what

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Speaker 2: Two fifty two when Stadam walked away, he was still

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a relatively young guy. You know, he was only barely

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thirty years older. So when he call to a day,

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so understood, and it's not he's not a guy that's

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taken like crazy punishment. So he says he loves the

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sport and we'll see what he can do. I mean,

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you know, it is what it is, and it's the

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Speaker 1: Going on, but this is what there is.

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Speaker 2: But I will say this Saddam's you know, I covered

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a bunch of US fights. Nice guy at his absolute best,

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was a heck of a good fighter, can do a

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lot of things, had a good career. I don't know

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if I would. You know, he's not going to be uh,

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you know, in the Hall of Fame anytime soon. His

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only losses were that young knockout and getting knocked out

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by you know, the real up and coming Heimi Mungia

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back in twenty eighteen, and also by Jesse Vargas who

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had won a world title. I was at that fight

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also when when Jesse won the vacant WBO welterweight title,

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that was a huge deal. And I believe the reason

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they go to Detroit is because Saddam Ali it comes

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from a Muslim background, and there's a very big a

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Muslim community in Detroit.

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Speaker 1: And you go wherever they can put the fight on

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and try to make a little money. And it's Labor

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Day weekend. And we have now fulfilled the preview portion

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of the preview podcast. We gave you what there is,

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so now we move on to the news. All right,

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So some busy stuff for Turkey Ala Sheik. His promotional

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alarm as well as the Ring magazine, et cetera. So

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the first thing is that apparently Teya Fimo Lopez and

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Shaquur Stevens and there's some back and forth social media

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stuff that's going on. What do we know and how

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realistic is it that this can get made? What does

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's very realistic. They are. They are deep in

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conversation about trying to finalize a fight that would see

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the WBC lightweight champion, Shakuorra Stevenson move up from one

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hundred and thirty five to one hundred and forty pounds

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to challenge Tia Fimal Lopez, who is the lineal champion

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as well as the WBO champion that won forty for

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a fight between two of the better names in boxing

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the big heavyweight names or the you know, the Canelos

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and people like that. But if you're a boxing fan,

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you certainly know Chakor Stevenson and Tia Fima Lopez for

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their entire careers. Essentially they were promoted by top rank

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who built them into champions and put them in higher

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profile fights they have. You know, Shakur became a free agent,

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ended up signing with Eddie Herney is now currently a

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free agent once again. Tifi me Lopez while still part

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of top rank from the standpoint of they still get

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you know, doing his own thing. But if they can

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make that fight, like, if they can get it done,

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and I think there's a good chance it will get done.

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I'm sure. Like everything, it's money, but whatever, if they

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can do it, it's it's if it gets made, it

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would most likely be eyed for the month of January

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of next year. You know, if you take a look

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at what's going on with the read season and the

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ring magazine events that are happening, you know they have

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there's not a lot of space left on the calendar.

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Let's say to do it this year because they have

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the huge card in November that we've discussed with David

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Benavide's and Yard headlining in a mega show which also

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has Bam Rodriguez and a unification and and and Brian

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Norman again and Stuf Devin Haney and just a whole

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bunch of good fights and Sam Noakes against Abdula Mason.

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So that's the big card in November and then December

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twenty seventh is supposed to be depends on obviously what

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happens coming up in a couple of weeks. In a way,

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is supposed to fight David Picasso in Saudi Arabia on

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a on a Japan versus the World card. Obviously, as

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Chakor versus Tia, Femo does not fit the theme of

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Speaker 1: So it makes sense that, I mean, it makes too

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much sense and logic for boxing that shakur tea femo

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is a sellable fight in the United States. Why would

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you not try to have it? I realize it's the

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READ season, but why would you not try to have

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it in the United States in January or whatever?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Look, I think that's probably part of the discussion.

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I don't know that for a fact. I assume that

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there's some of these bigger fights that for their reasons,

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they like to have them in READ. But from a

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geographic standpoint in terms of where their fans are. Look,

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Chakorus from Newark, New Jersey, it's like ten minutes from

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the you know, on the train to Manhattan. You know,

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you take the train from there to station. You literally

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get out at Madison Square Garden. Tiafimo was born in Brooklyn.

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It makes perfect sense to do that fight, certainly at

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Barclay Center or Garden. But again, you know they're gonna

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go where the money is, so let's see if they

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can get it done. I mean, I'm back to the.

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Speaker 1: United States Tennis Center where Shakoor fought on the on

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the card there and beat Williams of Paida, and they

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had a good crowd and the whole bit. What doll

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I know.

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Speaker 2: Regardless of if they get the fight done, regardless of

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where it takes place, whether it's in the United States

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or it's in read that is an interesting fight because,

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like I said, there are two of the bigger names.

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Shakur look really good against the Paida. He would move

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up and wait once again, he's already won world titles

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at one hundred and twenty six, one hundred and thirty

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and one hundred and thirty five, so he'd be going

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for a title in a fourth way class. Tiafimo, while

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has been inconsistent at times when we've seen him against

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not necessarily the biggest name opponents, he has shined big

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time when he stepped up and really faced the best guys,

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like specifically against Lomachenko and Josh Taylor. So he's he's

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risen to the occasion in his biggest fights. Your court

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would fall into that category of that caliber of opponent.

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You know, just you know, a.

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Speaker 1: Decent guy hitting.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not knocking Steve flagging. I'm just saying this,

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this is the kind of fight that I could see

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Ti Femo rising to the occasion for compared to some

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of the times when he's maybe fought down to the let.

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Speaker 1: The only that I have is Shakur moving up in

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weight again because he originally was a featherweight, right, and

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then he's now been at lightweight for a couple of fights,

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and now you're moving up again to junior lightweight. Does

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the punching junior waltaw excuse me, does the punching power translate? Well?

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But still you've got to be able to move the

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other guy with your shots moving up.

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Speaker 2: I think that of course, Stevenson, because of his skill

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set and his defense and his speed, will have no

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problem one hundred and forty pounds because he's never known

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as a big puncher and tia Fimo. Lopez is not

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the biggest guy. He doesn't burst at the seams in

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that weight division, and he has shown to me anyway,

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while he scored some very highlight reel type knockouts in

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the smaller weight classes at one hundred and forty pounds,

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still a really good boxer obviously act of a fighter,

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but not a puncher at all. So I know I'd

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be interested in that fight for sure. I mean, that's

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two really good I would too, but you know, let's

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see if they can get.

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Speaker 1: Get to the realism meter on that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: What we do know is coming up that Turkey Alashka

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and the Ring have announced this new monthly boxing series

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called The Underdog. You made reference to the card when

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we were talking about how the Jarrell Miller Michael Grant

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fight is not going to happen on September the eleventh

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in Las Vegas, two days before Canelo and Crawford. However,

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there is a card that is going ahead and it

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has a title fight on it. So elaborate more on

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what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Here, right, I mean, this has been a rumored fight

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for a while. I don't know if they were going

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to do Jerald Miller and Hunter on this card or

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do what this said, Like originally they were talking about

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doing multiple events the course of the days leading up

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to it, So maybe that would have headlined one card

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and whatever and then this other one to launch this

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underdog series. In any event, we know that Jere Miller

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and Michael Hunter is not happening, but this is this

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is a card where they're gonna have some prospects on it.

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There are fifty to fifty is type of fights, but

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the attraction on this card is the is the main event.

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It's taking place at the Font and Blue in Las Vegas,

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which is the post hotel if you will, of Crawford

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and Canelo, even though I don't think like Canelo is

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staying there, but that's where the undercard got. I guess,

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well that's not surprised. A lot of times those guys

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stay at other places. But like the promoter folks, some

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media folks, some you know, people involved logistically, the press

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room is there. They're having I think, like the undercard

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workouts there, that type of thing, so that'll be like

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the hive of activity. Anyway, they'll do this fight card there.

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And anyway, the interesting thing about the card is the

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main event to me. While I said there's some other

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prospect the type guys on the show, we have the

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excellent young flyaway WBO champion Anthony Olas Gagua, and we

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know him well because I don't know how close attention

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you paid. He is one of the guys that fought

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on many of those cards in Japan that would wake

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up at four or five o'clock in the morning to watch.

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So he has been fighting on a regular basis in Japan.

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So he's from Los Angeles. He's an American fighter, but

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he's coming back to do this fight. He's had his

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last like four or five fights that have taken place

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in Japan, and he's, you know, coming off of fight

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in Japan in March where he defended the title against

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Heroto Kayagucci's now he's fighting his mandatory challenger, which is

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Juan Carlos Camacho. It's a twelve rounder for his title.

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And you know, like I said, he's a really good

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young fighter. He's nine and one. He has the one

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knockout loss, a very forgiveble loss. When he challenged Kinciro

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Taraji for the WBC title back in twenty twenty three.

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He went nine rounds with him and got stopped, but

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he's looked really good since then, and now he's got

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a chance to fight in his home country against his

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invatory challenger. So that'll be the main event of that card,

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and it's again it's the main event of a card

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that is meant to sort of compliment all the boxing

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activity and all the boxing excitement and conversation that will

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take place in Las Vegas in and around the big show,

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which is obviously a couple of nights later with Canelo

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Alvarez and Terrence Crawford. And that was always one of

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the things I've enjoyed so many times over the years

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of going to Vegas for many many years, not always

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now this is obviously being done in conjunction with the

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same folks that are putting on the Crawford and Canelo fight.

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But tej I can't tell you how many times in

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the past you go to Vegas for whatever the big

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card was. It could be a big an HBO or

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a showtime pay per view card, or whatever the magnitude

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of the event was, and inevitably there would be other

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shows on other nights in and around the city because

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they knew that boxing bands were going to congregate that,

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so they'd have a card in a ballroom or they

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have a card here at this casino or there. I mean,

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I can tell you I can remember very specifically back

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in one of my first really really big fight cards

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I did in Vegas was Felix Trinidad against Fernando Vargas,

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which to this day, to me is still the greatest

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junior middleweight world championship fight in the history of the division.

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They fought an unbelievable fight. But so that was the

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highlight of the weekend. That was the big mega fight

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on the Saturday night. But I went to cards on

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Thursday night, Friday night, two cards on Friday night, and

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then another card on Sunday, Like I did like five

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shows in like four days week for real.

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Speaker 1: Because people understood, all right, built in fight crowd here

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for the weekend. Take advantage of the built in fight

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crowd and put a show on that'll make you some money. Yeah,

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that would be would make you mega money.

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Speaker 2: But you had you had Don King did like a

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show a few days before that card. You had ESPN

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had their Friday Night Fights card on the Friday night

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in one of the big ballrooms at the MGM Grand

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On Saturday, you had HBOUH did its card or no,

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I take that back. On Friday, ESPN did the Friday

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Night Fight Show, and then later on Friday night, HBO

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did a Boxing after Dark card Boxing Every Dark cart

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with the double header involving Marco, Antonio Barrera and Bernard

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Hopkins together on the same show, all to build up

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to Saturday night, which was the big show with Trinidad

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and Vargas. And then on Sunday. This is back when

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Top Rank was doing their Sunday afternoon on Univision cards

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that were weekly, and they did a card downtown at

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the Plaza Central Hotel that I actually went to even

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though I was dead tired. And the reason was because

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the guy that became a lightweight champion, Julio Diaz, boxed

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on that card in the main event, and I was

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gonna pick him as the prospect of the Year in

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two thousand as long as he won the fight and

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I was gonna do an interview with him. I went

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to the show, he won the fight, that did the interview,

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and he became the prospect of the year and ended up,

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you know, winning two world titles. So but that was

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maybe the extreme of having that many events, but often

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times when there was a big show Friday night, fights

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would be in town. On Friday night, there might be

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a smaller showtime card on Friday night. There might be

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a card on a Saturday afternoon. I remember going to

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like an NBC card that main events did the day

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in the afternoon of a day lo.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you this that in the eighties uh,

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and again we didn't cover the sport. We watched the sport.

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But in the eighties, I do know this, they would

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have a network TV CBS, ABC, NBC, a network TV

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card a lot of times would be taking place on Saturday,

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sometimes on Sunday, and then they'd have one of those

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huge fights that was closed circuit before pay per view,

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like on the Monday Tuesday, because they figured everybody's already

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there blah blah blah. They would do that all the time.

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So it was common. It was common, but not as

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not as common now.

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Speaker 2: It has become less over the years. But I'm glad

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though that because there are going to be a ton

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of people that come to the Vegas UH for this

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event that if they're if they're boxing fans, there'll be

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other opportunities to go to a fight card where you know,

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the tickets are not as expensive. You can get a

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great seat in a smaller venue. See what I think

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on paper? Okay, it's sexy like Crawford and Canelo. Obviously, no,

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but if you see like a good, nice little world

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title fight, see some young prospects in action, you know,

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and just sort of keep everything moving. So I'm glad

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they're doing this type of show, and you know, we'll

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see if I would unfold. But in terms of the

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matchups that it looks like for this first event, uh,

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seems like a pretty good shot out of the gate.

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I'll put it to you like that, all right.

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Speaker 1: So you did mention Don King, by the way, in

476
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all of that, and you forgot to mention that you

477
00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:35,160
were buzzing along this week in receipt of your I

478
00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:40,160
Hop gift card. You also got a birthday well wish

479
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,279
from the gang.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got listen, I got birthday well wishes from

481
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,559
a lot of folks in boxing. But I was surprised

482
00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:47,359
that was like a day or two after my birthday

483
00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:50,559
where I got a message from Don wishing me happy birthday.

484
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But Don's birthday was a few days earlier and I

485
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,440
had I had texted Don happy birthday also, so I

486
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,960
think it was just kind of returning the favor. I

487
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,559
think what happened was the WBC, which they do this

488
00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:01,359
on a regular basis, like every day when they do

489
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,400
a thing, they always like put up these little things

490
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,720
of like boxing people and what their birthdays are could be,

491
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,599
you know, fighters and other people involved in the sport. Writers,

492
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,720
you know, managers, promoters, you know, you name it. And

493
00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:13,680
so they put a little thing with my picture happy birthday.

494
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,279
So I think a lot of boxing folks saw that

495
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,960
and reached out. I got some nice messages from some

496
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,880
fighters I've covered in some other boxes, so that was nice,

497
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,640
including Don King.

498
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:22,839
Speaker 1: How about that?

499
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Speaker 2: All right?

500
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,519
Speaker 1: Moving along on the news, you did write about this.

501
00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,480
I do read my Dan Rayphiel Substack. You should too, peeps.

502
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,759
Dillian White has announced he wants to fight on after

503
00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:39,400
being wiped out in less than two minutes by Moses

504
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:46,880
Etama earlier this month. All right, Okay, I don't I

505
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,039
don't know. I mean, he's not going to be a

506
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:50,720
main event fighter anymore. I don't think it.

507
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: Depends on the level of show. If he goes with

508
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,519
some smaller promoter. He probably would be on the main event,

509
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:56,279
but not making the kind of money he's used to making.

510
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:56,839
Speaker 1: True.

511
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Speaker 2: But the bottom line is he went on his social media,

512
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you know, because he didn't do an interview after the fight.

513
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:03,440
Understandable he got knocked out pretty roughly. I don't eat

514
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,559
into a press conference of my knowledge, and so he

515
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:08,119
hadn't really been heard from a post fight at least

516
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,079
not to the public anyway. And he posts on his

517
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,839
social media on Monday of this week that and I

518
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,680
quote this was like on his Instagram, this is not

519
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,319
where my story ends. I may have lost this fight,

520
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,279
meaning to Atama, but not the fire that built me.

521
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,880
Thank you to everyone who's been standing by me through

522
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,480
the highs and lows. I'll be back, So at least

523
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,880
I'll say this. At least he took a few days

524
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,599
or a week or so to think about it. What

525
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,559
always puts me off not that they're doing it like

526
00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:40,079
they're going to intentionally lie about or this or that,

527
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,000
But it's when a guy makes a big time declaration

528
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:46,680
either I'm gonna fight again or I'm going to retire

529
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,519
in the ring, or even at the press conference, you know,

530
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,640
ten minutes a half an hour after the fight, at

531
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,359
least in Dylan's posting of this message, presumably over the

532
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,759
last several days since he got knocked out, that he

533
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,759
thought about this to some degree that made the decision

534
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,319
He's going to come back. Now, you'd say why, I mean,

535
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,000
it seems to me he's sort of at the end

536
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,160
of the road. That was a very rough knockout to

537
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,039
go out like that in one round, and especially because,

538
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:11,759
as we discussed quite a bit in the lead up

539
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:13,640
to the fight, he had showed up for the fight

540
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,680
in really superb condition compared to what not that he

541
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,880
was out of shape necessarily but in other fights, but

542
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,920
he was seventeen pounds lighter for this fight compared to

543
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,599
the December fight. He was at his lightest weight since

544
00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:27,240
a fight in twenty twelve, and his two hundred and

545
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:30,079
forty four pounds, he looked good physically, and he just

546
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,720
gon hang with mosesy Toman. Now, obviously, any comeback is

547
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:35,759
going to be predicated on the opponent. Can Dylan White

548
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:39,160
still beat a bomb, Yeah, pretty sure he could. But

549
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:40,759
is he going to go in there and defeat the

550
00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:43,720
top level opponents. I don't know about that now. What

551
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:45,440
I hope is he is going to come back. They

552
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,319
match him up with somebody that's not a young stud

553
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,319
and that's not a top Match him with your own contemporary,

554
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:53,720
somebody that might make at least a back and forth

555
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:56,079
kind of fight, and see what he means.

556
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,559
Speaker 1: I think the sun is setting and this was like

557
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,079
his last chance to do something. The one thing. Speaking

558
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,640
of the eighties, here we go back to it. I

559
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,119
was just thinking when you were detailing all of this

560
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,960
that Jerry Cooney had such a prominent rise as the

561
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,279
Irish white heavyweight and the great White Hope and the

562
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:16,839
whole thing. And in the end, Jerry Cooney is most

563
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,279
known for being knocked out three times I think by

564
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,839
Larry Holmes, by Michael Spinks, and by George Foreman brutally

565
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,319
in the last knockout. I'm just gonna say, I mean,

566
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,519
he's got all kinds of other baggage with failed drug

567
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:35,400
tests or whatever, but Gillian White's gonna build mostly be

568
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,240
known for being knocked out by Anthony Joshua, Alexander Povetkin,

569
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:42,960
Tyson Fury, and now Moses Etama. That's what he's gonna

570
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,400
be known for.

571
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: Oh and Jerry Cooney's defense, Yes, he is known for

572
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,839
those losses because they were on against bigger name opponents.

573
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:51,880
But when I think of Jerry Cooney, not only do

574
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,000
I think of the Homes fight and that drive by

575
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:57,200
uppercut knockout to Foremant, but I think of the devastating

576
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,279
first round knockout that he drilled Kenny North with.

577
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: And yes it was brutal, but in fairness, Norman was

578
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:04,960
Norton was long shot.

579
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: I get that, but Norton was a former champion in

580
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,200
a well known tier okay names. But here's what I

581
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,519
was gonna say about that. When I thought about what

582
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:18,480
Moses Thoma did to Dylan White, in some respects, Moses

583
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,880
Thoma is the Jerry Cooney character and Dylan White is

584
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,359
the Kenny Norton character. You got the young guy Cooney.

585
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,599
This was his first real guy. He was supposed to

586
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:31,160
be fighting a big name in Ken Norton, Madison, Square Garden,

587
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,799
a lot of attention on HBO, like a big deal.

588
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:36,400
He had not thought anybody at this point. This was

589
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,279
considered a huge step up for Cooney, and he went in.

590
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,920
He scored one of the most blistering, fucking, oh yeah,

591
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,359
devastating knockouts. He'll see now but it was more.

592
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: Again, I'm just saying it was more about Norman. Norman Norton.

593
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,160
You said Brian Norman earlier in the show. It's on

594
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,519
my brain. Ken Norton couldn't get out of the way

595
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,440
almost of you and me at that point. He's certainly.

596
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,039
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're the same. I'm making the point

597
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:03,039
that it's a similar scenario with the big name, well established,

598
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:06,599
popular heavyweight against the guy that's supposed to be the

599
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,359
next big thing, and in this case, after Cooney did

600
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,519
that to Norton, now you fast forward like I don't know, like.

601
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: Forty years right, and it's.

602
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: The young Tom on the rise who's fought absolutely nobody,

603
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:20,559
who gets in the ring with the you know, the

604
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,039
wiped the well known veteran who's been in the ring

605
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,079
with everybody and just pummeled the crap out of him

606
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,839
in one round. So very similar.

607
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: So we go nostalgic right there.

608
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,559
Speaker 2: That was part of our talking points. That was but

609
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,160
I just just made me think of that.

610
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,279
Speaker 1: There you go. One more news item before we go

611
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,839
full on nostalgia with Mayweather and McGregor anniversary. That is

612
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Samson Lukawitz has.

613
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: Announced, well he did not announce it.

614
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: Well, the IBF announced it correct that he has gotten

615
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:50,599
he has won the purse bid.

616
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:53,519
Speaker 2: Actually nobody announced it was Rafael knowing the person was

617
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:55,079
scheduled for Tuesday, sending a.

618
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, all right, So the purse bid was

619
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,799
this past Tuesday and the IBF didn't even announce who

620
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:01,440
won the purse bid.

621
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm caring they they don't announce it. You know when

622
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,920
the purse bids are because you get the copies of

623
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,920
the letters from different people in the business. I keep

624
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,160
it on my calendar. I knew the perspid was scheduled

625
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:10,599
for Tuesday.

626
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: I thought they Typically a lot of these organizations would

627
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,160
say so and so won. The point IBF does not

628
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,359
do that.

629
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: I mean if I email, if I emailed my people

630
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,000
at the IBF and say hey, what happened, they'll be

631
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:22,920
very cordial and find and nice and get back in

632
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,960
a fairly quick order to say what happened. But the

633
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,119
bottom line is this pers bid for a final eliminator

634
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:31,440
between FAA Jagua and Frank Sanchez and the heavyweight division

635
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:35,240
to produce the eventual mandatory for Alexander Usik was scheduled

636
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,759
for Tuesday. It always is at twelve o'clock noon, and

637
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:40,880
so a few minutes after twelve o'clock noon, I sent

638
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,039
out text messages to different people that I knew would

639
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:46,680
be involved, and I was responded to and said this

640
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,160
is what happened. So that's what occurred. So Samson Lukewitz,

641
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,359
who was bidding that he works very closely with PBC

642
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,960
on a lot of different fighters. He was bidding on

643
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,279
their behalf, so he bid three hundred and two thousand dollars.

644
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,519
And which is the promoter for FAA Jagua. Carl Moretti,

645
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:05,759
who was the vice president of Top Rank, who actually

646
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,480
lives very close to the IBF offices in New Jersey.

647
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:10,440
They do these purse bids. You can either show up

648
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,319
in person or do it on as a like a

649
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,119
zoom call or some video conference. Carl went to the

650
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,759
purse bid and he on behalf of Top Rank, offered

651
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:23,039
two hundred and ten thousand dollars. So Samson wins the

652
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,799
purse bid. It's a sixty to forty split in favor

653
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:28,400
of a Jagua, who was the higher rated fighter, even

654
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,119
though Sanchez back four years ago beat a Jagua when

655
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,440
they fought each other at the time, two up and

656
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,559
comers on the undercart of the third fight between Tyson

657
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:41,160
Fury and Deontay Wilder. But they've had obviously fights since then,

658
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,119
so that was the winning did three to zero two?

659
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,519
Speaker 1: Now, I thought a Jagua was already the number one

660
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,000
and in the position. So what is this about the

661
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,119
having to have the fight with Sanchez? This is old

662
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,000
hermit to validate it again that he's the top fighter.

663
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: No, no, TJ. How many times we got to go

664
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,400
over this? Just because you get to number one doesn't

665
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,119
mean you're mandatory. Okay, So now what happens to me?

666
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,519
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, hold on, you're insulting me. You're insulting me

667
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,440
with how many times do we have to go over this?

668
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Most boxing fans check out when we talk about how

669
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:20,839
the number one guy isn't a mandatory challenger.

670
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: For you, let me finish the comment. You'll understand I've

671
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,640
heard you before.

672
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,279
Speaker 1: But in the.

673
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: IBS, if you achieve the number one status, they'll order

674
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,000
a mandatory eliminator to determine who is going to be

675
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,440
the next mandatory challenger. We went over this with Bcoli.

676
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: And let me and let me share with you.

677
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: Time out if you time out. Then they just give

678
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,920
the number one challenge right the spot.

679
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,359
Speaker 1: And I do remember that they were supposed to have

680
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,440
this eliminator fight where they not with Bacoli and with

681
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,839
a Jagua and Bacoli instead chose to fight Joseph Parker

682
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,359
on like thirty six hours notice and got knocked out. See,

683
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:58,559
I do remember these things. I do buy a requirement

684
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,319
have to sit and listen to you go on and

685
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:01,160
on about that.

686
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:02,759
Speaker 2: You don't want to talk about it. We won't talk

687
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:03,119
about it.

688
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm with you. I'm just saying I thought

689
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,079
we already settled that a Jagua was no guy, but

690
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,079
we haven't settled it.

691
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,359
Speaker 2: The reason why is because then we went over this

692
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,000
when a Jagua was willing to take the fight, but

693
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,559
Bacoley took the Bacoli fight and got knocked out properly,

694
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:20,759
and then they tried to reschedule the Ajagma fight. The

695
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,160
IBF was like, they can go do whatever they want,

696
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,880
but we're not going to sanction it for the eliminator.

697
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,319
When the dudes coming off a KO one number one,

698
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:31,200
you you went against the PERSPID timeframe, which is clear

699
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,680
as day, and every miss of the IBF says that

700
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,400
you can't fight within sixty days before the actual bout

701
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,319
if you're going to stay involved in the PURSEPD fight.

702
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:42,400
So they were getting paid good money in Saudi Arabia.

703
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,720
So so a Jagua and Bocoli fought and it wasn't

704
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,559
going to be the mandatory eliminator and a Jagua won

705
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:51,640
where they get a draw, I think if I'm not mistaken,

706
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:54,720
and so they now they went down their rankings and

707
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:56,880
this is what they came up with. It's not that complicated.

708
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,599
The bottom line is Frank Sanchez and that f THEA

709
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,039
Jaga fought a shitty fight four years ago, that was terrible,

710
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:04,519
and now they're both in position again. And that's why

711
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,799
the perspin number was so low, because nobody wants to

712
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,240
see the fight, but PBC put up the money for it,

713
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:14,480
and so presumably, look, Frank Sanchez is only entitled under

714
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,440
the perse bid because he gets a smaller share one

715
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,759
hundred two eight hundred dollars a job was supposed to

716
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:21,400
get one hundred and eighty one thousan two hundred. Now

717
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,640
he may think that's very small money after making like

718
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,160
about a million dollars against Bocoli, but Frank Sanchez has

719
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,519
a minimum with PBC the same way if Top Rank

720
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,799
had not lost a PERSPIT and they were doing the fight,

721
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,279
they would owe him a minimum. So Sanchez will get

722
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,359
taken care of from PBC because they owe him no

723
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,720
matter what the perspid number is.

724
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:42,799
Speaker 1: But the question is one may look at this and

725
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:44,119
say that's not nearly enough.

726
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: Now right, Maybe he'll maybe he'll take the fight, and

727
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:49,039
if he does, then PBC most likely again not that guaranteed.

728
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,240
They still got to send the contract and go through

729
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,880
the whole process of getting that sign but most likely

730
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,799
you'll see Sanchez. As I was told by one PBC person,

731
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:00,559
if a jog that takes the fight, they probably would

732
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,519
put it on one of their upcoming shows as like

733
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:07,160
a preliminary on the free preview, probably like October twenty fifth.

734
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,719
That might be slightly soon. That's the card that's not

735
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,880
announced yet but probably gonna get announced next week with

736
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,599
Fondora against Keith Thurman. I guess if that doesn't happen,

737
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,599
they're still planning to do another show in December that

738
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,199
will be potentially a Manny Paco Next Fight or something else,

739
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,519
but it could wind up on there, so they're going

740
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:26,920
to control that fight, and that's where it probably happened.

741
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,599
The purse bit stuff is annoying, especially when it's a

742
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,920
fight that nobody cares about. But it is what it is, all.

743
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,079
Speaker 1: Right, So that happened earlier this week. Stay tuned on

744
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,599
whether a Jagua and Sanchez actually fight. And if you

745
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,239
read between the lines with what you were saying, that

746
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,280
doesn't seem like enough money for a jagas the number

747
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,400
one contender, But who knows.

748
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,079
Speaker 2: But he also may say, what the heck else am

749
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:49,199
I going to do? No one else is gonna be

750
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,800
out there offering the money, and if you win the fight,

751
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,400
But if.

752
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: You're him, if you're him, can't you also be holding

753
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,320
out for the possibility that you might end up fighting

754
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,239
for a portion of the heavyweight title or the vacant

755
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,159
IBF title any way, rather than taking a risk with Sanchez.

756
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,039
Speaker 2: No, because he pulls out, If he pulls out of

757
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:05,679
the purspet they'll drop him from the ratings.

758
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,639
Speaker 1: There's the ridiculous part of what's going on.

759
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: No, but that's the rules. But here's rocking him.

760
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: All the way out of the ratings.

761
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 2: No, No, not dripping out of the ratings, but drop.

762
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: Him low enough out of the one. Out of the one.

763
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,599
Speaker 2: Versus listen, they go through the process of the perspet

764
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:21,880
if you if you participate and you then back out,

765
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,480
they're not going to reward you by giving you the

766
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:26,840
title shot. That's just basic. Now, what he could hold

767
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,119
out for title shot or not is could somebody call

768
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:31,960
him up and say, hey, you want to fight mosesy Tama

769
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
for a million dollars mm hm, And maybe it won't

770
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,199
be a title shot, but you'll get paid really well. Yeah,

771
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,639
maybe there'll be some other fight that maybe Turkey wants

772
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,320
to make him against. You know, I don't know, pick

773
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,639
a pick a good. You know they they work with

774
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,440
a ton of have you weights a Joga has been

775
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,039
on some of these saudy cards. But he's coming off

776
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:50,440
the draw against Bokoli. You know, he got a nice

777
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,119
win before that against Vannello. You know, he's done a

778
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,320
pretty good job coming back.

779
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,079
Speaker 1: Would be fair to say if you were you were

780
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,039
just throwing out a number of million dollars. He hasn't

781
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:59,960
had a million dollar fight probably in his career.

782
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure I guarantee you got seven bus fight.

783
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: No, okay, all right, fair enough, that's why he So

784
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,079
that makes you dubious that he would take this money

785
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,920
depending to fight Sanchez if it's that low.

786
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: But you guess the guy that already beat him.

787
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,639
Speaker 1: All Right, stayed stay tuned if that fight actually happens.

788
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:18,800
With the heavyweights, we're always more intrigued by the heavyweights.

789
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,679
All right, you've been nostalgic already. And before we are gone,

790
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,679
it was eight years ago. As it turns out, it's

791
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,360
August twenty sixth of twenty seventeen. Believe it or not,

792
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,159
it's been a little bit since Floyd Mayweather took on

793
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:40,280
the UFC ultra megastar Connor McGregor, boxer versus MMA guy.

794
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,719
This is really one of the first prominent ones of

795
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,239
these that had happened. It was a humongous fight, and

796
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,599
you were there as Mayweather got the stoppage back that night.

797
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,679
Now in twenty seventeen, tell me all about the spectacle,

798
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,199
the build up. You were telling us earlier in the

799
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,119
podcast about the build up. McGregor was selling this thing

800
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,039
all over the place in the press, conferences, et cetera.

801
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: So this was this was this whole thing. But first

802
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,960
of all, I maintainted this day that anytime there's a

803
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,599
fight that the Nevadication Commission turns down, they should look

804
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:15,840
at this fight and not have an excuse because they

805
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,960
actually approved this fight between the greatest fighter of his generation.

806
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:20,519
It was forty nine to zero and the pound for

807
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,960
pound superstar, even though he was coming out of a

808
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,519
two year retirement against a guy making his boxing professional debut.

809
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,519
It should again. I'll you know, it happened, and whatever

810
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,960
happened happened, but I'll die in the hell. In my opinion,

811
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:34,840
the fight never should have been sent. And this was

812
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,119
the Nevada State Athletic Commission wanting the event in Las Vegas.

813
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,280
I'm sure there was a lot of pressure from the

814
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,639
different business entities involved with this event, but nonetheless they

815
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:49,039
talked about this. They should talk to each other, you know.

816
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:50,960
I don't know if the people can google it. It

817
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,320
takes two seconds, you know. Connor McGregor showing up in March.

818
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,800
I guess it was earlier this year, or maybe I

819
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,679
guess it was this year. Maybe it was twenty sixteen.

820
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,039
I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was

821
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,400
several months before the fight happened. Showed up at Madison Square,

822
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,119
Garden in the theater on the night that is his

823
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,800
buddy and countryman Michael Conlin, the Olympic star made his

824
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,840
professional debut on a top rank card at the Madison

825
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,880
Square Garden Theater. I was there. It was the night

826
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,920
before a big triple G fight in the main arena,

827
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,079
and that was the night where Connor McGregor came running

828
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:23,800
to ringside right after the fight and got right in

829
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,280
my face and are you the Because a lot of

830
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,440
guys that were there covering it, he knew because they

831
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,440
covered boxing as well as MMA. But when he asked

832
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,360
one of the publicists, who's the boxing guy, and he

833
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,800
pointed to me, he came running out of the ring

834
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,199
and dropped down right in front of my spot in

835
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,920
the front row of the press section. You know, it

836
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,840
started shouting at me. I mean, I wasn't like scared.

837
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,760
He was kind of humorous. You know, are you the

838
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,760
boxing guy? On the boxing guy? And he went in

839
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,440
this whole tirade about how he's going to do damage

840
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,400
to Floyd Mayweather. It was caught on video viral. I

841
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,440
wound up in the in the sports.

842
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: Why in your social Undia bio, you're referring to yourself

843
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,559
as Connor Gregor calling you the boxing gain.

844
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:03,119
Speaker 2: That is one hundred percent correct. So that's where that

845
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:05,400
time he went out to party. After that whole thing,

846
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,559
I was then asked to go like to a studio

847
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:10,840
in Manhattan, like two o'clock in the morning to do

848
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,119
some work on Sports Center at that time because it

849
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,320
became such a huge thing. Now you fast forward, however

850
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,920
many months later. That was in March because it was

851
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,360
Saint Patrick's day. So now we're here in August, I guess,

852
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:22,519
and the fight's happening now. Before the fight, they went

853
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,920
on that wild press tour all over the place, and

854
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,119
they put like twenty thousand people in arenas to watch

855
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:34,199
them march around the stage and do a quote unquote

856
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,039
press cards and cursed at each other and say bad

857
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:42,360
words and say very misogynistic things and violent things and

858
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,480
call each other names. It was very unenjoyable in mine

859
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,639
for me. Anyway, I was dispatched by my editors at

860
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,639
ESPN to go to New York City to cover the

861
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,639
press tour stop at the Barclay Center. Uh. And I

862
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,440
did that, and I was supposed to come home that

863
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,119
same night, but because they were supposed to have the

864
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:03,559
media availability for the two fighters before the formal thing.

865
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,119
That did not happen, so they actually waited until afterwards,

866
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:08,840
so I missed my train, had to get a hotel

867
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,559
and stay over. It was all big thing. But the

868
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,039
funny thing I remember about that is so Connor McGregor

869
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,159
and I had that thing with you know, the boxing guy. Nonsense,

870
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,920
however many months earlier. Now I'm sitting in the media

871
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,440
center or in the press room where they're doing the

872
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,280
press commerce for his media availability after the formal program,

873
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,679
and I'm sitting there in the front row and they say,

874
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,039
they give you the microphone, please identify yourself before you

875
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,239
ask your question. So I get the microphone and as

876
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,280
I'm about to like say, you know, I'm Dan Rayfield

877
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,840
from ESPN, Connor McGregor, who I'm sitting like five feet

878
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,320
from right in front of him. He looks at me.

879
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,719
He goes, oh, you're the boxing guy. Remembered the whole

880
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,199
incident from Madison Square Garden, you know, from however, many

881
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,559
months earlier. So we had a good laugh about that.

882
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:48,519
And now you fast forward to the fight. His was

883
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:50,039
the biggest fucking thing in the world. I mean, you

884
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,360
got the two biggest stars in their sport. Floyd's out

885
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,800
of retirement, he's looking to go fifteen. You know, Connor's

886
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,239
been talking shit how he's going to do this, that

887
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,039
and the other thing. He was massively popular with the

888
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:02,719
UFC and they had the fight. It was a gargantren.

889
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,960
Again there's intrigue.

890
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,159
Speaker 1: There's intrigue also in that in the timeline Mayweather had

891
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:11,559
fought Paki how but they had not fought for two

892
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:14,400
years and came out of retirement as you were, as

893
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,400
you referenced at the beginning. So that was part of

894
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,800
the build up of is he gonna be rusty? Does

895
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,599
MacGregor have a chance at a lucky punch? Is McGregor

896
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:23,360
gonna go nuts and try to put a choke hold

897
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,360
on him and tap him out?

898
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:26,679
Speaker 2: Like that was actually a big part of the lead up.

899
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,280
Is what's gonna happen if McGregor like forgets about the

900
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,760
rules and just resources for the UFC rules and the

901
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,800
and then their roles and like tries to take him

902
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,719
down or throw a spinning head kicker whatever they call

903
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,320
that shot. So this was at Team Mobile are in

904
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,920
a massive crowd, massive event, and remember if you go back,

905
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,360
this was in twenty seventeen. The Pacao fight had taken

906
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,559
place in twenty fifteen when they fought that fight, which

907
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,480
was not a Team Mobile that was at the MGM Grant,

908
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,960
but it set every conceivable revenue record in terms of

909
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,039
the overall gross, the pay per view, the sponsors, the

910
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:58,679
you know.

911
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: The end they didn't make. What was the live gate.

912
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,719
It was just ridiculous the live gate.

913
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,119
Speaker 2: So this is the all time record for Mayweather pak Yao.

914
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:09,159
The first of all, the fight itself generated roughly six

915
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,360
hundred and fifty million total revenue, including the most ever

916
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,639
pay per views, which is like four point six million

917
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,679
on re gate. In ticket sales for the MGM grand

918
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,079
which by the way, holds about four thousand less people

919
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,840
than the Team Obi Arena, the gate for that fight

920
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,599
was over seventy two million dollars. Now, put that in perspective,

921
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,320
if you do a gate at Teamobile or MGM or

922
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,199
any big boxing event, if you hit twenty million, you're

923
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,239
a rarefied air.

924
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: Right right, right, rarefier Because in and around that time,

925
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,840
like Canelo and Triple G fought in and around the

926
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,000
time of this McGregor.

927
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:46,159
Speaker 2: So i'll tell you what that and.

928
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: That was like twenty five or thirty million or what

929
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,360
was it.

930
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,679
Speaker 2: The first fight? I forget the order, but one of

931
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,679
the fights was about twenty four million, the other one

932
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,679
was about twenty six.

933
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: And again Pacquiao Mayweather was seventy two million dollars. That

934
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,840
is the correct game. So what was McGregor and Mayweather from?

935
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: So I'm going to get to that. So that holds

936
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,000
all the records, and that was a fight that everybody

937
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:07,639
wanted to see for years and years and years. The

938
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,400
two best fighters of their era both massively decorated huge

939
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,079
pay per views all along over the years. Against all this,

940
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,079
you know, many many of the same opponents, including Oscar

941
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:18,679
de la Hoya, who put both of them over. Basically,

942
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,519
to use the parlance of the WWE. Mayweather McGregor though,

943
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,159
was such a mainstream event because you had the number one,

944
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,239
or at least the most popular fighter in the MMA

945
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,239
against the unretiring Floyd Mayweather, who was still you know,

946
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,400
loomed over the sport in many respects, and they put

947
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,559
on the massive fight. And while it didn't break the

948
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,000
records that Floyd did with Manny, this was on a

949
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,639
on a level that was like nothing else other than

950
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,719
Manny versus Floyd. This fight did four point three million

951
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,639
pay per views in the United States, second books ever

952
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,000
the gate meaning the ticket sales. I told you the

953
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,480
record is the seventh if you want to be exact,

954
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:56,800
seventy two million, one hundred ninety eight five hundred dollars

955
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,199
for Mayweather, PACYA, Connor McGregor and Floyd fifty four hundred,

956
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,440
fourteen thousand, seven hundred and sixty five dollars and seventy

957
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:05,199
nine cents.

958
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: Do you have it down to the penny, Yes, sir.

959
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:08,639
Speaker 2: That is a.

960
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:11,599
Speaker 1: Boatload of money on a live game. When you consider

961
00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:14,360
that the modern fights now struggle to get ten or

962
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,800
fifteen million, that's crazy.

963
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: So so four point three million is still the second

964
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,880
most ever pay per view sales ever for any combat

965
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,840
event or any of them probably ever on pay per

966
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,920
view combat or otherwise. And the fight itself, why everybody

967
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,800
was sort of like, figure, Floyd's gonna win the fight

968
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,960
pretty handling. But you also had in the back of

969
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,039
your mind, like what happens if McGregor lands some kind

970
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,920
of big punch, you know, because Floyd has been out

971
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,000
of the ring for a while, And when the fight started,

972
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,840
a lot of people felt like Connor won the first

973
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,719
second round. I've always maintained that if you thought that

974
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,320
was the case, that was because Floyd was just there

975
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,119
to sort of like see what he had and let

976
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:51,519
him do what he could do, and just sort of

977
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:54,840
assess the situation that Floyd, if you wanted to, probably

978
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,679
could have started a lot quicker. So there was a

979
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,079
palpable sort of feeling in the crowd. I remember that,

980
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,360
oh my god, McGregor's doing well. He's winning the fight

981
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,519
after two rounds, and I kept thinking, like, dude, it

982
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,199
doesn't make a difference. As soon as Floyd decides to

983
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,760
start fighting, this fucking thing is over. And slowly but

984
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,559
surely Floyd picked up the pace and he had him

985
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:18,960
completely under control after like two three rounds, and eventually,

986
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:21,239
you know, Floyd's never been a big puncher against anybody,

987
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,000
particularly they're fighting at one hundred and fifty pounds or so.

988
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,320
Back when Floyd was fighting at a junior lightweight or lightweight.

989
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,960
You know, he's certainly at junior lightweight he carried more power.

990
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,079
But in the end, you know, he just basically beat

991
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,079
him down and ended up stopping him in the tenth round.

992
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,599
And the good thing was a lot of people thought

993
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,280
that he carried him for a while, and even if

994
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,360
you subscribed that feeling, the good thing about this was

995
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,360
as much hype as this fight got. When people finally

996
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,639
left the arena or turn off their TV or their

997
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,000
screen or whatever they're reviewing it on, I don't think

998
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:58,119
anybody came away super disappointed because it was actually entertaining.

999
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,480
Now Floyd carried him. That maybe one of the reasons

1000
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,480
why maybe you could end right.

1001
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: So I've told you this before, but I'll refresh you here,

1002
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,039
and I've shared this when we've talked about it before.

1003
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,159
I still vividly remember this. We're in the timeframe in

1004
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:12,719
the month of August. We're in my fall work duties.

1005
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,280
I do Tampa Bay Buccaneers Radio and their broadcasts, and

1006
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,000
we're always playing preseason games on the weekends in August.

1007
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,159
In this case, we don't have a preseason game this weekend.

1008
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,079
The next thing for Labor Day. The next thing is

1009
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,119
the regular season starting. But I still remember that night

1010
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,480
we had finished up on what's called the network pregame show,

1011
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,519
where all the stations are taking the network pregame show.

1012
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,760
I had been asked to fill in and help out

1013
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:41,599
on the post postgame show, Rayfield. So the post postgame

1014
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:44,480
show is happening, and I had bought the pay per

1015
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,400
view on my laptop, like what we're talking about right now,

1016
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,440
And I still remember there was about six people crowded

1017
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,960
around my laptop while I'm talking about the Buccaneer preseason game.

1018
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:56,440
And I still remember during one of the commercial breaks,

1019
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,199
after like the fifth or sixth round, I turned the

1020
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:01,960
people that were around again, this is a preseason game,

1021
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,840
the post postgame show. Who is listening to us, Rayphael

1022
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,480
at midnight? After this, with the fight going on, I

1023
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,519
turned to the guys around me and I said, he

1024
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:15,199
is purposely trying to get him into the later rounds,

1025
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:18,360
wear him out, and knock him out. I vividly remember

1026
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,239
I told the group that the mute went back down

1027
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,480
on the fight. I'm back doing the postgame show, and

1028
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,400
that is eventually, I mean, I was not Nostra Damas.

1029
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,920
That's eventually what happened, though. He got him into the

1030
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,679
late rounds. War that was what.

1031
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: That was sort of like what like a lot of

1032
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,760
people were thinking was gonna be when you get.

1033
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: That sense sitting there around four, five, six, He's gonna

1034
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,079
get him into the later rounds.

1035
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: He said that he was just gonna play with him

1036
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:44,800
until he tired him, and he was very accurate with

1037
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,360
his punches. He didn't look like he had been off

1038
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,719
for two years. He was also not fighting an actual

1039
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:53,199
professional boxer. For purposes of to know how dominant he was.

1040
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,760
On the score cards, he was at eighty nine to

1041
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,360
eighty one going into the tenth round. He was at

1042
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,440
eighty nine eighty two on the other score card. On

1043
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,119
the third score card was I was up eighty seven

1044
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:05,320
eighty three. That judge obviously had given Connor the first

1045
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,920
couple of rounds of the fight, and I always get

1046
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,400
a kick out of this. They obviously was not a

1047
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,719
world championship, but it was a big deal. They fought.

1048
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,760
The WBC created the money belt because this was called

1049
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,760
the money fight, right because you know, take on money

1050
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,079
whether and the money involved in the fight. So I

1051
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,360
looked this up. It's actually on box wreck if you

1052
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,119
if you look at their little wiki of the fight.

1053
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,079
The vacant w WBC money Belt, consisting of one point

1054
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:33,039
five kilograms of twenty four cared gold, thirty three hundred

1055
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,239
and sixty diamonds, six hundred sapphires and one hundred and

1056
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,880
sixty that's avy duty.

1057
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: What's the estimated worth of that belt. I think one

1058
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,320
point five kilos of gold alone is worth thousands and

1059
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,639
thousands and thousands hours.

1060
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: So it was a beautiful belt. Because the Malisia Sulimann

1061
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:54,039
was sort of showing it around during the build up

1062
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:55,480
to the fight, he would had a selfie.

1063
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: Selfies weren't big back in the late twenty times with

1064
00:48:58,800 --> 00:48:59,199
the belt.

1065
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: I think I have a photo of myself with that belt.

1066
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh you gotta dig that up, get on social media,

1067
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,679
all right. My question one final time, on all the

1068
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,000
money every which direction. Was it a fifty to fifty

1069
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,719
split or did Floyd get like seventy five or eighty percent?

1070
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:14,239
You were talking?

1071
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,039
Speaker 2: Ah, I don't remember what the split was, but certainly

1072
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:17,519
Floyd got the lion's hair of the money. I mean,

1073
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:19,480
he wouldn't have done the deal without it. But I

1074
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,320
mean one of the reasons that made it was a

1075
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,440
little bit difficult to make was because Connor at that

1076
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:26,320
time was under contract the UFC, so he had to

1077
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,760
do a deal with Dana White to allow him to

1078
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,679
participate in the fight. So UFC obviously was paid on

1079
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,639
the fight also, oh yeah, and Dana was part of

1080
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:37,119
the promotion to some degree, which certainly helped it. Showtime

1081
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,480
rolled out all the you know, all the bells and

1082
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,360
whistles to put on the event, and it was just

1083
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,280
a mega mega fight and Floyd wins the fight. He

1084
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,039
retires fifty to oh. I still to this day, you know,

1085
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:49,239
get people saying, well, he's not really fifty oh, because

1086
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,519
the McGregor fight shouldn't have counted. Well, he does count,

1087
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:53,840
whether you like it or not. So he finished his

1088
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,599
career fifty and oh. He's obviously had a number of

1089
00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:59,440
exhibition matches since then, but the official mark goes down

1090
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:03,199
fifty wins, zero losses, and twenty seven knockouts, and he

1091
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,960
finished it off, you know, with gates.

1092
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,159
Speaker 1: It up with the floodgates for different UFC fighters to realize, yeah,

1093
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:12,199
I can make ten or twenty times more money by

1094
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:13,400
getting into a big time boy.

1095
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,159
Speaker 2: Nothing has ever come even close. The next biggest, not

1096
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,400
close to that. Now, the next biggest crossover is probably

1097
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,360
Francis and Nagano against Tyson Fury, and then France and

1098
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,800
Nagano against Anthony Joshua, And those were huge fights financially

1099
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,199
because Saudi and the Turkey paid them a tremendous amount

1100
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,480
of money and there was obviously interest. But I still

1101
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:34,639
as big as those were, I don't think they come

1102
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:36,360
close in terms of the level of at least in

1103
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,519
the United States anyway, the main surrounding this fight, the anticipation.

1104
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:43,480
This was not just the boxing press writing about it

1105
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:46,639
and the UFC press writing and talking about it. This

1106
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,360
was mainstream like oh yeah, New York Times, not even

1107
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,079
like boxing writing, but in terms of like a like

1108
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:57,159
a lifestyle type story or you know, the scene type story.

1109
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,320
You know, was on the sixty minutes. One of the

1110
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,880
big news programs did something about I forget which one

1111
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,800
it was, but this was just a huge deal. I

1112
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,079
mean I can remember Pat Patyam Mayweather was the biggest

1113
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,880
one ever. But like at ESPN, the amount of coverage

1114
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,679
that we had was remarkable, Like we would have these

1115
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,679
like calls with the teams, we had our little boxing group,

1116
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:21,079
but then we're in with the MMA people also, you know,

1117
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,199
and you got all of us on site together doing

1118
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,079
our parts. You know, guys that covered MMA, guys that

1119
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:29,599
cover boxing. Like I was like on the same like

1120
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,199
a panel I got involved with doing things like I

1121
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,199
was covering boxing for ESPN, and you know Ariel Hajwani,

1122
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,679
he was not at ESPN an the longer. He's out

1123
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,320
doing his own thing, but he was there doing MMA stuff.

1124
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,760
So we had to collaborate on some certain things and

1125
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,880
got to know each other bit working together. It was

1126
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,960
all because of this fight, because it was such a mania.

1127
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,760
And of course in the end, the greatest thing that

1128
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,960
came from besides all the money everybody made, was I

1129
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,960
got called the boxing guy by Connor McGregor.

1130
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:59,199
Speaker 1: Pitting on all of that. All right, we did well

1131
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,440
here for the Previos pod for the weekend, for Labor

1132
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,440
Day weekend without a whole lot to preview. That's uh,

1133
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,960
that's for sure. I will just say on once more,

1134
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:11,719
shame on the organizations that don't have anything going in

1135
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,480
the United States the last couple of weeks, in particular

1136
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:17,400
the last two or three weeks something before we get

1137
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,559
into the football et cetera. Not any of them took

1138
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,559
advantage of it. So uh, we have what we have.

1139
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,159
But we're here for you peeps. Anything else. In closing

1140
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,960
birthday boy, are we good?

1141
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:27,559
Speaker 2: We're good?

1142
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: Before you head off to I hop this weekend we

1143
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,559
celebrate eventually Missus Reeves's birthday off of Labor Day weekend,

1144
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:38,639
college football ongoing, et cetera. By the way, I should

1145
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:40,760
make mention that while you and I have been recording

1146
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,119
the podcast, you notice I've been a little distracted. You

1147
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,119
notice I keep looking down, looking at the phone.

1148
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 2: I'm not taking that personally.

1149
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons of the Dallas Cowboys got traded to the

1150
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,960
Green Bay Packers while we were doing the pod. We

1151
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:55,719
effort to bring you all the latest news and info

1152
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,880
on the boxing pod. You're a Giants guy, and so good.

1153
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,760
He's not in the division anymore. And Green Bay and Dallas,

1154
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,480
I believe, do play each other.

1155
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: Coming up surprised because I just saw, like on YouTube

1156
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,679
or wherever, I saw my man, Jerry Jones talking to.

1157
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: My house with Stephen A.

1158
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 2: Smith, right yeah, and he was saying, no way, know

1159
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,119
how am I getting rid of? Right?

1160
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: Which as soon as that happens, start thinking, you start

1161
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,760
thinking where's he traded him to? Because whenever they say

1162
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,280
get Dallas got draft picks, two number ones and got

1163
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,920
a player, got a defensive tackle from the Packers. So

1164
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,559
some the Cowboy fans, I got two Cowboy fans that

1165
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,639
are already going crazy on my phone saying not enough,

1166
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:42,000
not enough. For Micah Parsons, who's on it seems it

1167
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:43,800
does seem a little light, but I just say to

1168
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,639
you that we aim to please. It's kind of a

1169
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,079
lighter weekend, but the Cowboys kind of steal the weekend

1170
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:50,960
with making that trade to the packers. The Cowboys and

1171
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,199
Packers like our rivals going back sixty years. What is

1172
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,360
Jerry doing helping the packers? All right, so we're off

1173
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,920
the soapbox on that. Uh, my friend, have a good weekend.

1174
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:03,320
We will take the weekend off piece, but make sure

1175
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,119
you're following subscribing here go to the YouTube page Big

1176
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,599
Fight Weekend YouTube page for all of our content. There

1177
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,400
a lot of original content, nostalgia, live stuff. September, we'll

1178
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,360
have a lot more on the YouTube page as well.

1179
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,159
For now, we're good as part of the Big Fight

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Weekend preview podcast, Everybody be safe on Labor Day weekend

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for Dan Rayfield. I'm TJ. Reeves.

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Speaker 2: Bye.