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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to PLoud Save America. I'm Jon Favrea, I'm Jen Pfeiffer.

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<v Speaker 4>On today's show, Donald Trump unloads recycled election conspiracies and

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<v Speaker 4>it impossible to follow primetime address. His teleprompter operator was

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<v Speaker 4>kid's golf lesson, We'll dig into those stories, plus JD

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<v Speaker 4>Vance's attempt to win back Joe Rogan and Pete Hegseth's

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<v Speaker 4>So when Donald Trump, you know, screams at Brendan Carr

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<v Speaker 4>you want to subscribe, all right, Let's get to Trump's

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<v Speaker 4>big primetime address, which he built as really big news,

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<v Speaker 4>really big news. It doesn't get bigger. It's so big

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<v Speaker 4>that we are recording this at seven pm on Thursday

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<v Speaker 4>night because we wanted to bring you our analysis of

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<v Speaker 4>this speech, which is why we're here late because it

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<v Speaker 4>was so big.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like a table of nine people at CNN.

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<v Speaker 4>Dozens of twenty twenty election deniers got called to the

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<v Speaker 4>White House for a top secret preview. Ohio Senator Bernie

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<v Speaker 4>Moreno said it would be the most important presidential address

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<v Speaker 4>since the Cuban missile crisis, and at nine pm Eastern

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<v Speaker 4>on Thursday night, this is what we got. Though this

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<v Speaker 4>might be news to you unless you're a Fox or

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<v Speaker 4>CBS viewer, since those are the only networks that carried

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<v Speaker 4>it live. CBS really only did like half the speech

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<v Speaker 4>and then they sort of like gave context around it.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, here's what you missed tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm announcing the immediate declassification and release of critical intelligence

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<v Speaker 5>revealing shocking vulnerabilities in our election infrastructure. This evidence shows

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<v Speaker 5>that the election system we have dangerously exposes and really

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<v Speaker 5>exposes like levels never thought possible, to hacking, exploitation, and

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<v Speaker 5>foreign interference. Just as disturbingly, this vital information has for

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<v Speaker 5>many years been covered up and hidden from you. They

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to just make you sound like your president wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>so hot, when actually your president has done a great

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<v Speaker 5>job recently, we found significant numbers of burn bags, members

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<v Speaker 5>of the deep state, very very famous group of people.

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<v Speaker 5>Many cases they did not want and they just didn't

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<v Speaker 5>want it, fought like hell not to have it. Donald

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<v Speaker 5>Trump to win. In a rare move, NBC and ABC

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<v Speaker 5>fake News have both said that they would not cover

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<v Speaker 5>this speech. They knew what it was about. They and

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<v Speaker 5>others in the media part of a plot. They want

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<v Speaker 5>to continue this fraud for whatever reason. They want to

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<v Speaker 5>keep it going. Addressing this crisis of election security demands

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<v Speaker 5>that Congress must pass the Save America Act.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, So that was something you know in our meeting

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<v Speaker 4>before the speech earlier this week, you said it would

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<v Speaker 4>probably just be a bunch of rambling nothing that no

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<v Speaker 4>one would pay attention to and think about more than

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four to forty eight hours afterwards. And I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of think you nailed it in.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I had to get one right.

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<v Speaker 4>Eventually, Let's get to Trump's actual claims, which, honestly, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we played that super cut, but it was hard to follow.

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<v Speaker 4>And we have followed this stuff for like ten years.

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<v Speaker 4>And also, like before the speech, while we were waiting

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<v Speaker 4>around in the office to record tonight, I was like

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<v Speaker 4>going back and reading things about the twenty twenty election

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<v Speaker 4>and what had been debunked, just so I could prepare

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<v Speaker 4>for this. And still it was hard to follow that,

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<v Speaker 4>and that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't even really helpful. You didn't even have being an

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<v Speaker 3>expert in the conspiracy theories up to this point. Was

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<v Speaker 3>that helpful because these were new ish conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 4>Let go, Let's go through his actual claims. Starting in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty, China allegedly acquired two hundred and twenty million

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<v Speaker 4>US voter files, and the deep State hid this from Trump. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>all the documents that the White House released also confirm

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<v Speaker 4>what they intelligence agencies and the government found back in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty when Trump was president, that not a single

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<v Speaker 4>vote was changed, and also the voter files, voter information,

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<v Speaker 4>voter registration information is public in most states. You can

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<v Speaker 4>just get the information. So anybody did get it, the

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<v Speaker 4>idea that our names and addresses or somewhere sitting in China,

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<v Speaker 4>they're also sitting out there on the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyone can get it. Every campaign has it. It didn't

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<v Speaker 3>require any hacking or in neefarious moves to get it.

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<v Speaker 3>What do they want to do with it? Were their

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<v Speaker 3>intentions good, probably not, but it was trough, tried to

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<v Speaker 3>make it sound much scarier than it actually was.

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<v Speaker 4>Our voting machines are vulnerable, didn't really give a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of evidence for that. That was all recycled stuff that

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<v Speaker 4>the intelligence agency had said. There's like potential for vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 4>and some electronic voting machines, but nothing has happened. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, other nefarious actors and other countries may have

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<v Speaker 4>been looking at ways to hack into or interfere with

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<v Speaker 4>voting machines, but no one has done it, and so

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<v Speaker 4>there's no news there. There was a random episode in

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<v Speaker 4>Michigan in twenty twenty where a bunch of suspicious voter

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<v Speaker 4>registration forms were flagged to the police and then nothing

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<v Speaker 4>happened and no votes were changed and no people were registered,

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<v Speaker 4>and I guess it was never prosecuted, and now Trump

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<v Speaker 4>once that prosecuted.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it's I mean, the thing about that is

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<v Speaker 3>this has happened in the past. That actually happened on

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<v Speaker 3>a race I worked on many many years ago, where

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<v Speaker 3>people were doing what a registration drive and they just

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<v Speaker 3>filled out the forms in order to get paid, which

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<v Speaker 3>is fraud, but it's not voter fraud because the people

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<v Speaker 3>who got registered, if they either don't exist, or if

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<v Speaker 3>they do exist, they don't know they're registered, so they

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<v Speaker 3>don't vote.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that's it's an old one. It's been public.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not that was anything new. DHS apparently found a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of non citizens registered to vote, but didn't find

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<v Speaker 4>any non citizens who did vote. Also can't really be verified.

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<v Speaker 4>Who knows what the non citizens registering to vote are.

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<v Speaker 4>We haven't seen those documents yet. And then big one.

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<v Speaker 4>There were some there was some election meddling. There were

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<v Speaker 4>some votes changed in Venezuela by Nicholas Maduro.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone's got to get that Maduro guy. That guy should

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<v Speaker 3>be served in time.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the revelations tonight was that Nicholas Maduro meddled

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<v Speaker 4>in Venezuela's elections, and somehow that ended up in Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump's primetime address. At a time when we are at

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<v Speaker 4>war with Iran, the straight is closed, inflation is high,

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<v Speaker 4>people are struggling. There's wildfire smoke that is making some

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<v Speaker 4>half the cities in the Northeast and the Midwest unbreathable,

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<v Speaker 4>can't even.

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<v Speaker 3>Go outside, but not getting explosive diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 4>That forgot about that. Right, there's led us explosive diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 4>And yet the president went out tonight to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>random recycled voter conspiracy, election fraud conspiracy theories and let

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<v Speaker 4>us know that Nicholas Maduro meddled in his own elections,

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<v Speaker 4>and that the Chinese have access to the vote or

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<v Speaker 4>file data that we do too.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a couple of just key points. Star, I

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<v Speaker 3>just want to hone in on first. You said it,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say it again. It's very important. No

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<v Speaker 3>one has presented any evidence that votes were.

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<v Speaker 4>Changed, including the Trump administration this time around this year.

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<v Speaker 3>They could not find that they went into this time

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<v Speaker 3>around as well. Yeah, they cannot do it. The second

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<v Speaker 3>thing here is that they China apparently acquired public information.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't love it, but nothing you can really do about it.

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<v Speaker 3>We make a public next. The idea, to the extent

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<v Speaker 3>that there's allegations, although this is very much just speed

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<v Speaker 3>by the intelligent community, that China was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>involved in some sort of misinformation campaign. They're going to

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<v Speaker 3>try to get involved with like higher journalists or media influencers,

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<v Speaker 3>or build bots or all of that. All of the

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<v Speaker 3>things that Russia did on Trump's behalf in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>to be noted, No, not a ton of evidence that

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<v Speaker 3>they actually did it, but that they thought about doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>But we also know that in every election, foreign intelligence

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<v Speaker 3>agencies try to interfere in our election. Russia tries it,

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<v Speaker 3>Iran has tried it, the Chinese have apparently tried it.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing new there, no evidence had actually changed any botes.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the most important thing here is if there

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<v Speaker 3>were huge gaps in our election security infrastructure that allowed

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<v Speaker 3>China to penetrate to do these things that Trump claims

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<v Speaker 3>they did do, the person who was in charge at

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<v Speaker 3>that time should be held accountable and that Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>No careful on that, because he got ahead of that

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<v Speaker 4>tonight by basically saying that everyone that this was all

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<v Speaker 4>uncovered and this was all known in twenty twenty, but

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<v Speaker 4>it was all the deep state, and the deep state

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<v Speaker 4>hit it for him. So this is like he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to go after him.

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<v Speaker 3>That's next. That's my next point. His big complaint ra

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<v Speaker 3>spent a lot of time here, is that the people

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<v Speaker 3>who worked for him didn't tell him things right. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like a management problem. And I would also

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<v Speaker 3>point out that the guy who is the Director of

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<v Speaker 3>National Intelligence who would have been overseeing the people were

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<v Speaker 3>hiding things from Donald Trump is a man named John Radcliffe.

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<v Speaker 3>It's John Ratcliffe in jail. Has he been? Has he been?

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<v Speaker 3>Has he been like shamed out of life? No, he's

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump picked in to be his director of the CIA.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, these people, these these are not incompetent public servants.

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<v Speaker 4>These are victims of a deep state plot. Dan, No

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<v Speaker 4>matter who you're talking about, there's always a deep state

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<v Speaker 3>And then also, if you were someone who is deeply

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<v Speaker 3>funding that goes towards election security? Because that's what Donald

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<v Speaker 4>One thing that's funny is as everyone is reading all

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<v Speaker 4>at all these docks that they're really that they declassified

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<v Speaker 4>really matching the president's claims in the speed his own

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<v Speaker 4>his own documents, his own documents. Sam Stein picked up

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<v Speaker 4>this one here. Docs released by Trump today confirmed Russia

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<v Speaker 4>tried to spread claims Biden was engaged in criminal activity

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<v Speaker 4>visa vi Barisma, and that it advanced those narratives with

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<v Speaker 4>the peak of the twenty twenty presidential campaign. You might

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<v Speaker 4>remember that that scandal turned out to be the subject

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<v Speaker 4>of Donald Trump's first impeachment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, his perfect phone called is Zelenski.

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<v Speaker 4>So that stuff's out there now. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of stuff just about Russia in the docs that Russia

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<v Speaker 4>tried to interfere on behalf of Donald Trump. So they

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<v Speaker 4>put all that out there too. Fucking idiots. Man.

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<v Speaker 4>And apparently like there was an administration official told ms

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<v Speaker 4>NOW before the speech, because this was a speech that

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<v Speaker 4>was cooked up, by the way, by John Solomon, the

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<v Speaker 4>pretend journalist who then has become a special government employee,

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<v Speaker 4>and also Bill Palty. And an administration official told ms

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<v Speaker 4>NOW flatly that the intelligence doesn't show what Poulti and

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<v Speaker 4>Solomon claim. Quote, the intelligence just doesn't say what you

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to say. I'm sorry. So they just they cooked

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<v Speaker 4>up some stuff for the President to say in his

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<v Speaker 4>speech and get all mad and and please him please

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<v Speaker 4>grandpa who's getting old and you know, grumpy and wants

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about election conspiracies. And then they just threw

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<v Speaker 4>that in the speech and then they put a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of dogs that don't really say any of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool. What a great issue of everyone's time.

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<v Speaker 4>What a great use of everyone's time. What's your level

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<v Speaker 4>of alarm after listening, because you know, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 4>it's all stupid and they didn't really prove anything, and

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't even make up any good story even they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't even they didn't even put it a good lie.

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<v Speaker 4>On the other hand, it's it's clear that his intention

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<v Speaker 4>is to so doubt among Americans and are in the

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<v Speaker 4>sanctity of our elections, And clearly, as sure as the

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<v Speaker 4>sun comes up, is going to cry foul if Republicans

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<v Speaker 4>lose the midterms.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is a man cried foul at an

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<v Speaker 3>election he won in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like, you didn't you didn't need a speech

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<v Speaker 4>or a declassifying a bunch of documents for that. But sure,

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<v Speaker 4>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>We should be very vigilant because Ronald Trump is going

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<v Speaker 3>to try to interfere in these elections. Like we know

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<v Speaker 3>that that is obvious. I think he has less powered

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<v Speaker 3>to do so than he believes, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats fear. These elections are run by the states. States

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<v Speaker 3>aside how they're run, how the votes are counted, how

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<v Speaker 3>they're certified. Those things are written in law. The courts

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<v Speaker 3>to date have been very skeptical of any of these

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<v Speaker 3>Trump efforts across the board, from twenty twenty all the

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<v Speaker 3>way through here. But he's gonna try, and we should

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<v Speaker 3>be vigital. I am no more worried after this speech

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<v Speaker 3>I was before. This was just stupid. This doesn't like

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<v Speaker 3>I think people thought he was gonna you know, there

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<v Speaker 3>was reporting early on that he was just going to

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<v Speaker 3>declare that John Asoff and Rafael Warnock were illegitimate centators.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what power he has to do that,

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<v Speaker 3>but that or that there he would call for the

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<v Speaker 3>seizing of something or the confiscation of this thing. He

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<v Speaker 3>did none of that. He just vomited, did a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of things. It did make a lot of sense in

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<v Speaker 3>a very tired, monotone voice that was felt a grieved

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<v Speaker 3>the whole time, and then moved.

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<v Speaker 4>To burn bags, burn bags.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it was We can get into the

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<v Speaker 3>the performance level of this, but it was I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I would actually he may need to talk to Ptex

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<v Speaker 3>Ethwick and some of that tea.

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<v Speaker 4>Yelling about the burd. I couldn't follow that one either.

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<v Speaker 4>Something about Obama and burn but.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew about these burn bags was the thing. I

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<v Speaker 3>was trying to remember this because we've actually talked about it,

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<v Speaker 3>because this is thing. I think, these are the Cashptael burn.

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<v Speaker 4>Bags so hard to keep all these episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's our literally our job is to keep

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<v Speaker 3>these things straight and we can understand what the fuck

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<v Speaker 3>he was saying, Like, what would a normal American think

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<v Speaker 3>of this?

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<v Speaker 4>Before? I mean, we should talk about the the FCC threat.

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<v Speaker 4>The networks who didn't cover my speech, my election fraud

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<v Speaker 4>speech where I spout conspiracies are now going to lose

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<v Speaker 4>their license. They should lose their license. Is that that

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<v Speaker 4>a real threat?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it's a thing that Trump really

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<v Speaker 3>would like to see happen, and I'm sure Brendan Carr

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<v Speaker 3>will try to do some things. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 3>really has the ability to do that. Just to make

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<v Speaker 3>this very clear, it is not unusual for networks not

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<v Speaker 3>to air speeches if the topic of the national vice

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<v Speaker 3>addressed is not sufficiently newsworthy. This happened with Obama. None

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<v Speaker 3>of the networks covered Obama's twenty fourteen speech about immigration

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<v Speaker 3>where he's announce imigration and executive Actually they actually was

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<v Speaker 3>news in it, but they all thought it was too

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<v Speaker 3>political to cover. In twenty twenty two, you remember the

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden speech on democracy that he gave. None of

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<v Speaker 3>the networks covered that one either because they thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was too political and newsworth This was very political and

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<v Speaker 3>not Newsworthies. And then when you add on top of

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<v Speaker 3>it and you can it was funny to watching Fox's

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<v Speaker 3>coverage because Fox is so afraid of getting another three

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<v Speaker 3>quarters of a billion dollar a lawsuit like they did

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<v Speaker 3>in the dominion suit, and so they were just so

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<v Speaker 3>they promoted the speech, I ever talking about what was

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<v Speaker 3>in the speech, and then after the speech they had

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<v Speaker 3>to repeatedly say Fox can't verify these claims, like the

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<v Speaker 3>lawyers were really all up in Brett Behar's ass, which

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<v Speaker 3>was amusing to watch. So it's not like they can.

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<v Speaker 3>The networks are well within their rights to not cover this,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not unusual and it's not a Trump arrangement

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<v Speaker 3>syndrome or anything like that. This is a speech that

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<v Speaker 3>was not did not merit that level of coverage, even

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<v Speaker 3>possibly litigious wise.

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<v Speaker 4>So Republicans had some thoughts on this whole thing before

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<v Speaker 4>the speech. Politico helpfully captures three different outlooks here. First,

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<v Speaker 4>the doomers, like the anonymous former Trump administration official who

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<v Speaker 4>said quote, the people I talked to are scared shitless.

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<v Speaker 4>This is about what it will do to their midterm chances.

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<v Speaker 4>Next is the what can I do? I'm just a

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<v Speaker 4>simple member of Congress cohort, represented here by Senator John

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<v Speaker 4>Kennedy quote. When moms and dads lie down to sleep

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<v Speaker 4>at night, in can't what are they mostly worried about

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<v Speaker 4>I would say cost of living, but he's the president

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<v Speaker 4>and he can talk about whatever he wants. Finally, freaks

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<v Speaker 4>like Steve Bannon said that the quote revelations in the

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<v Speaker 4>what they're really fighting for in these crucial November elections, Dan,

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<v Speaker 4>who's right?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think Steve Bannon is right? Like is picture

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<v Speaker 3>this is there a group of January six ers who

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<v Speaker 3>live in swing districts who are just like tapped out

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<v Speaker 3>on Trump, are just waiting for this, for a call

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<v Speaker 3>to arms to go vote, you know, for Mike Lawler

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<v Speaker 3>in New York. I don't think so. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>is code from Steve Bannon.

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<v Speaker 4>All the blood has been squeezed from the stone. There

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<v Speaker 4>totally agree, like, I just don't understand how this gets

423
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<v Speaker 4>anyone motivated, especially since it's so hard to fucking follow.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just, yeah, it's so stupid. And the bigger political

425
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<v Speaker 3>issue here and the reason why that first group of

426
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<v Speaker 3>scure shaitless people are correct is it's not just the

427
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<v Speaker 3>crazy things he said, it's what he chose to talk about.

428
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<v Speaker 3>We are in a world where this is an election

429
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<v Speaker 3>entirely about affordability. Large majorities of people, including Trump voters

430
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<v Speaker 3>and people thinking about voting for Republicans in this midterm,

431
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<v Speaker 3>think that Trump is not spending enough time focusing on

432
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<v Speaker 3>larn people's costs. So what does he do? We has

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<v Speaker 3>a nationally televised address to talk about declassified intelligence that's

434
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<v Speaker 3>unintelligible about a six year old election. Yeah, Like, it's

435
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<v Speaker 3>just you're waiving a sign that says I do not

436
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<v Speaker 3>care about you. I do not care about your problems.

437
00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:50.440
<v Speaker 3>I care about me and my problems. And that is

438
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<v Speaker 3>bad for Republicans.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't think it's gonna I don't think it's

440
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<v Speaker 4>gonna fly. I mean unless they combine. You know, as

441
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<v Speaker 4>we get closer to the election that he'll probably do

442
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<v Speaker 4>a you know, the communists and socialist trying to steal

443
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<v Speaker 4>the election to take over America so they can you know,

444
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<v Speaker 4>so there can be sharia law and you know, they

445
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<v Speaker 4>can take all your property, and you know it'll be

446
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<v Speaker 4>something like that. Like the left, that'll happen. The Left's

447
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:13.519
<v Speaker 4>be scary, and the left is scary, and the way

448
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<v Speaker 4>they're going to win is to steal the election. And

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<v Speaker 4>so that's why I have to be vigilant.

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<v Speaker 3>That that wasn't even the gist of this No, no,

451
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<v Speaker 3>that was this speech was from what I can tell,

452
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<v Speaker 3>it was China tried to steal an election in the past,

453
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<v Speaker 3>and then a bunch of people in the government didn't

454
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<v Speaker 3>tell me about it. Vote for Republican. It's not a

455
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<v Speaker 3>good message.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's about right. All right, Well, that's enough of that.

457
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<v Speaker 4>Trump had the added challenge of delivering that speech tonight

458
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<v Speaker 4>with a with a new teleprompter operator, and that's because

459
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<v Speaker 4>his former prompter guy Gabrielle Perez, was placed on unpaid

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<v Speaker 4>leave Thursday morning after it was reported that Perez made

461
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<v Speaker 4>more than one hundred thousand dollars on Calshi, placing bets

462
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<v Speaker 4>on words that would appear in the President's speeches. She

463
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<v Speaker 4>apparently flagged Perez's trades back in March. The same month,

464
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<v Speaker 4>the White House published a memo warning staffers against trading

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<v Speaker 4>on prediction markets and eventually referred his case to the

466
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<v Speaker 4>Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which is conducting an investigation. Think

467
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<v Speaker 4>of how rich we could have gotten if cal she

468
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<v Speaker 4>was around twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that your first takeaway on this missed opportunity.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean we're talking about a teleprompter and knowing about

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<v Speaker 4>a speech. Yeah, of course, That's what I'm gonna think about.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that was your chance.

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<v Speaker 4>Perez, who often makes this is from the ABC story

474
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<v Speaker 4>that broke the news. Perez, who often makes final edits

475
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<v Speaker 4>to Trump's speeches, including changes from Trump himself. Oh my god,

476
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<v Speaker 4>I'd kill a teleprompter operator who was making the final

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<v Speaker 4>changes to the speech. That's terrifying to me. Backed out

478
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<v Speaker 4>of Betts's mid speech when Trump went off script. He

479
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<v Speaker 4>was live hatching the aplits.

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<v Speaker 3>This is very inside baseball. But the thing though was

481
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<v Speaker 3>most stunting about this is the teleprompter operator has the

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<v Speaker 3>rank of Depth Assistant to the President. I know, I

483
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<v Speaker 3>saw you, which makes him essentially the diplomatic rank of

484
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<v Speaker 3>an ambassador and one of the highest paid people in

485
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<v Speaker 3>the White House.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. That's a lot of money. Yeah.

487
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<v Speaker 3>Usually think about this way. The deputy director of the

488
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<v Speaker 3>NEC has that same rank. The deputy communications director may

489
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<v Speaker 3>have that rank, doesn't always have that rank. The you know,

490
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<v Speaker 3>just very very high level people make huge decisions, have

491
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<v Speaker 3>the same rank as Trump's favorite teleprompter guy. And that's

492
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<v Speaker 3>your taxpayer money going to pay this guy. And that

493
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<v Speaker 3>wasn't enough for him because he was making one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars extra off Calci.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a question, why only one hundred thousand dollars. Yeah,

496
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<v Speaker 4>I mean this guy, he had all the goods, this

497
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<v Speaker 4>guy could have just maybe maybe it's just trumping off

498
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<v Speaker 4>script so much that he couldn't. He was how many moves?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, Also, it's like talk about the multitasking. You're

500
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<v Speaker 4>operating the prompter, you're doing that, you're watching that. But

501
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<v Speaker 4>also now he's going off scripts, and now you got

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<v Speaker 4>to with your other you have your phone in your

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<v Speaker 4>other hand. You're on Calshi. You're trying to change the bet.

504
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<v Speaker 3>No, you're not changing the bet, you're changing the speech.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Oh yes, oh my god. A head of ahead

506
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<v Speaker 4>of tonight's address, Calcy traders, it's just a little fun fact.

507
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<v Speaker 4>A side note here already waged more than they earlier today.

508
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<v Speaker 4>They had already wagered more than eight hunred thousand dollars

509
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<v Speaker 4>on whether Trump says words like horror moves or rigged election.

510
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<v Speaker 4>He did he did a he did an accomplishment's topper,

511
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<v Speaker 4>Boy did he It's about how horrible everything was before

512
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<v Speaker 4>he became president. Now how wonderful everything is, And go

513
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<v Speaker 4>to Trump r X and here's your Trump accounts.

514
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<v Speaker 3>He have three websites. The best part was this is

515
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<v Speaker 3>so funny, he says, And if you want to read

516
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<v Speaker 3>the documentary, can go to white House dot gov.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, that's a white House dot gov. It's like, yeah, yeah,

518
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<v Speaker 4>you've never heard of that one.

519
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is very I mean this obviously he's

520
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<v Speaker 3>a boomer, but this is a pre especially pre Google

521
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.200
<v Speaker 3>way of doing this, which is people just google it.

522
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<v Speaker 3>Now you don't really have to do the website.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that was his his his accomplishments list was

524
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<v Speaker 4>part like he likes to to show that he's a

525
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 4>winner and take care of everything. But you could have

526
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<v Speaker 4>taught it was also like the consultants and the political

527
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<v Speaker 4>people or the Suzi Wilde wherever, is like, you got

528
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<v Speaker 4>to talk about this, this polls, well, you got to

529
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:10.680
<v Speaker 4>talk about this. You got to talk about this, and

530
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<v Speaker 4>you know, you can talk about all your election conspiracies

531
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<v Speaker 4>as long as you do this list at the top.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's what was the third website he did?

533
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<v Speaker 3>What else? I got Trump r X and I think

534
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<v Speaker 3>he did one other one didn't know.

535
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<v Speaker 4>The Trump accounts, the trumpcout Trump accounts, Yes, yeah, Trump

536
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 4>accounts for all your kids, so believe it or not.

537
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<v Speaker 4>The teleprompt operator. That's just one of three corrupt dates

538
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:30.000
<v Speaker 4>we have for you from the last forty eight hours.

539
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<v Speaker 4>Only we could ever get that corrupt dates sting we've

540
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<v Speaker 4>been asked for or for years whatever someday. On Thursday,

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<v Speaker 4>the Trump Media and Technology Group, the company that owns

542
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.079
<v Speaker 4>truth Social, announced that it will sell Wall Street Banks

543
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.400
<v Speaker 4>and investors quote a direct, licensed, real time feed of

544
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 4>the platform's most market moving truths, including of course, Donald Trump's.

545
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 4>In other words, the president's family company is now charging

546
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<v Speaker 4>Wall Street for early ish access to the market moving

547
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:01.480
<v Speaker 4>statements of the president. Who will then profit. Why don't

548
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.519
<v Speaker 4>they just start asking the Treasury to print money for

549
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:08.119
<v Speaker 4>the Trumps. That is, I don't know why we're going

550
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:10.319
<v Speaker 4>through all of these schemes and this and that, and

551
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 4>everything's so complicated. Just go to Scott Beston and ask

552
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 4>them to start printing money. Put in your pocket, walk away.

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<v Speaker 3>This is truly one of the most wildly corrupt things

554
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 3>that has ever happened. And that's saying a lot. I

555
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.920
<v Speaker 3>don't that's saying a lot. But I just think about this.

556
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<v Speaker 3>A truth is a presidential statement we laugh about because

557
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<v Speaker 3>they go out on this stupid fucking platform that no

558
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<v Speaker 3>one pays any attention to.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I was gonna say the Well, it's it's funny

560
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:39.680
<v Speaker 4>because the platform is so bad and it's such a

561
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<v Speaker 4>poor product and badly designed that it's so slow that

562
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<v Speaker 4>they that basically the fix to make it like Twitter

563
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:47.640
<v Speaker 4>is something now that Wall Street has to pay for.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they basically they're they They're going, is said, think

565
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<v Speaker 3>of it this way. This is I'm gonna dumb this

566
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<v Speaker 3>down for people. This would be like if Wall Street

567
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:01.079
<v Speaker 3>was paying the president to get a presidential before the

568
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:05.039
<v Speaker 3>rest of the people so that they can make instantaneous

569
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<v Speaker 3>trades off of that information. There's example, President announces a

570
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<v Speaker 3>new ceasefire with Iran. You can use that to buy

571
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 3>oil features he says, the end of the ceasefire, you

572
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 3>can sell your royal future is faster than anyone else

573
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.200
<v Speaker 3>because you have paid money to the president to get

574
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<v Speaker 3>access to that market, moving information before everyone else in

575
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<v Speaker 3>this country.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not like everyone. It's not like it's a

577
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<v Speaker 4>pay to play thing where it's open to everyone. No, Like,

578
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 4>it's not like you know, Twitter pro versus Twitter or whatever,

579
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, whatever the fuck is where you can just

580
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 4>pay more and now you'll your tweets will come faster.

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<v Speaker 4>It's only available to banks and investors.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, it's basically as you're getting information on your

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<v Speaker 3>terminal before the public. And in this day and age,

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<v Speaker 3>with the way trades are made, a set five seconds

585
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 3>is worth millions of millions of a second. It's worth

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<v Speaker 3>millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>I was trying to think of is there a law,

588
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<v Speaker 4>Is it just a thing that presidents shouldn't be doing?

589
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<v Speaker 4>Is it in that category, or is there some kind

590
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<v Speaker 4>of regulation. I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the abuse of power.

592
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<v Speaker 4>I guess.

593
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a high crime and a misdemeanor.

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<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say that the core of the problem

595
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.720
<v Speaker 4>lies in the fact that the president's market moving statements

596
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 4>aren't first released by the White House, but by the

597
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<v Speaker 4>president on his own private media platform. That is that

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<v Speaker 4>is the core of the issue. Yes, that that it

599
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:39.200
<v Speaker 4>goes out on truth social first, and then the federal government,

600
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<v Speaker 4>which is supposed to be responsive to the people. Then

601
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<v Speaker 4>they put the truth out a couple of seconds after

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<v Speaker 4>Trump does it on Trump bleats.

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<v Speaker 3>There's some obvious things the founders missed. This is one

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<v Speaker 3>that I understand why they be foresee happening.

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<v Speaker 4>Finally, last one, the Secret Service is apparently fed up

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<v Speaker 4>with the Vice president's travel demands, which last week included

607
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:05.319
<v Speaker 4>a request to fly his son to a golf lesson

608
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 4>aboard Marine two, that is, the VP's military helicopter, which

609
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<v Speaker 4>would have cost taxpayers up to twenty five thousand dollars

610
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 4>per hour around that though, the trip was scrapped due

611
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<v Speaker 4>to high winds, but such requests have become so common

612
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 4>that the Vice President's security detail are reportedly now exchanging

613
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<v Speaker 4>stickers and challenge coins among themselves that read Bobcat otr's

614
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 4>Survivors Club, Bobcat being Vance's Secret Service code name OTR

615
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 4>is an off the record, so it's like a movement

616
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<v Speaker 4>that's not planned in advance or that's not announced to

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<v Speaker 4>the public in advance. Fun update to this, after ms

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<v Speaker 4>NOW broke the story, Vance canceled another planned helicopter ride

619
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<v Speaker 4>for his son's golf lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>John are where are his son's golf lessons? Are they

621
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<v Speaker 3>in Philadelphia? How do kid he get that? Oh, they're

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<v Speaker 3>on the other side of town.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember when Marine one used to take Malia and

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<v Speaker 4>Sasha to school every day?

625
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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.240
<v Speaker 4>It was yes, yes, yes, the thing that happened they

627
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.599
<v Speaker 4>just did hop on the helicopter. That is what the fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I've said this before, but I worked for politician once

629
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<v Speaker 3>who did something that was so fucking stupid that one

630
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<v Speaker 3>of our advisors said, that is an A plus answer

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<v Speaker 3>to the police. Say one one question of how to

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<v Speaker 3>lose a presidential election this is that you were getting

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<v Speaker 3>taxpayer funded helicopter lessons for your son's golf lessons. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not even like baseball game boy, scouts, charity work. It's

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<v Speaker 3>fucking golf lessons.

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<v Speaker 4>Boy, are we a long way away from hillbilly elogy? Huh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>What would me, Mo and Papa say about this?

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<v Speaker 3>From your bootstraps right into the helicopter. I mean it

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<v Speaker 3>is like, he is so fucking lucky that that trip

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<v Speaker 3>was canceled by the wind.

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<v Speaker 4>But then he just it was canceled by the wind,

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<v Speaker 4>but then he planned another one and then canceled another one.

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<v Speaker 4>Because of the story it is. You know, it wasn't like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh close call, it was let's charge your head.

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<v Speaker 3>It's stunning in it and just beyond just a specific one.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine the secret services in charge of the

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<v Speaker 3>Trumps and the Vances. That's their job. And out of that,

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest asshole is Jady Vance. You're you're a more demanding,

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<v Speaker 3>worse boss than Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>How fucking high and mighty is JD Van's going to

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<v Speaker 4>get when someone asked him about this and what kind

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<v Speaker 4>he's going to do? Some kind of how dare you

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<v Speaker 4>talk about my children? Like he's gonna. I just I

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<v Speaker 4>imagine that's what we're going to get from him.

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<v Speaker 3>We shoot an emergency pod because I'm gonna have so

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<v Speaker 3>much to say about It's going to be so bad.

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<v Speaker 3>He's gonna he is right now watching footage of Richard

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<v Speaker 3>Nixon's Checkers speech to try to do this, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna fuck it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of jd Vance's travel, he did make the trip

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<v Speaker 4>to Austin this week to sit down with Joe Rogan

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<v Speaker 4>for nearly three hours. Because nothing else is going on,

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<v Speaker 4>it was pure awkwardness sprinkled with occasional attempts at political maneuvering.

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<v Speaker 4>Here are some of the highlights.

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<v Speaker 7>If people want to say we mishandled the Epstein release, guilty,

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<v Speaker 7>we did dissaded, especially the communications of it.

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<v Speaker 8>What do you think should have been done?

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<v Speaker 4>I think that we.

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<v Speaker 7>Should have just dropped everything at the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 8>So what is going on with Iran? Where it seems

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<v Speaker 8>like the president keeps saying that a deal has been reached,

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<v Speaker 8>negotiations have been successful, and then it all falls apart

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<v Speaker 8>and we start.

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<v Speaker 4>Bombing it again? Yeah, So how long do we have here?

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<v Speaker 4>Because it's as.

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<v Speaker 8>Much time as you so if it was your call,

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<v Speaker 8>would you have done exactly the same thing.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, one of the president said.

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<v Speaker 4>Publicly that JD was less enthusiastic about it. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was the.

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<v Speaker 7>Exact phrase that he used. I mean, my attitude towards

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<v Speaker 7>this man, as you know, is the vice president. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>not a public commentator. Like my job is to give

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<v Speaker 7>the best advice I can to the president. The United

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<v Speaker 7>States Republicans still fundamentally have a cool problem. The thing

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<v Speaker 7>I couldn't get o where Biden is is just bad

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<v Speaker 7>staff work man. The way that he ate ice cream.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's like, you know, we could bring some

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<v Speaker 7>of the stuff up, but it's like they would get

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<v Speaker 7>him eating ice cream in the most ridiculous suggestive way imaginable.

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<v Speaker 4>What suggesting? What's right here? What does he thinking about

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<v Speaker 4>when he sees Joe Biden eating ice cream?

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<v Speaker 3>Sex? He thinks about sex?

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<v Speaker 4>He thinks about sex.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a cardinal rule of this podcast that we do

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<v Speaker 3>not kickshame. We've always believed that no bullshit, no kickshaming.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would say it's weird the JD Vance watches

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<v Speaker 3>Joe bid need ice cream and he thinks the suggestive

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<v Speaker 3>that's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>We can we can bring this up. We can bring

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<v Speaker 4>this up. What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>Awkward?

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<v Speaker 4>So here's one review from The Daily Wires, Ben Shapiro.

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<v Speaker 4>I tuned into Joe Rogan yesterday and heard Bernie Sanders economics,

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<v Speaker 4>Barack Obama's foreign policy, and Rocana's conspiracy theories, and then

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<v Speaker 4>I realized JD. Vance was talking, I want a candidate

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty eight who doesn't mirror the Democrats and

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<v Speaker 4>who can win. Mister VP, this is not the way.

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<v Speaker 4>So Vance tried to tiptoe away from Trump on Epstein

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<v Speaker 4>and Iran. He also did the Jeffrey Epstein had connections

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<v Speaker 4>to Masad and the highest levels of intelligence, CIA, massade,

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<v Speaker 4>all that kind of stuff. So do you think it worked?

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<v Speaker 4>And what does it tell you about how Van sees

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<v Speaker 4>the twenty eight race?

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<v Speaker 3>It did not work. Also, alex Is Rocanna to be

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<v Speaker 3>on that.

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<v Speaker 4>List, definitely tweeted that out.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely huge win for him. Also sounds like a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>good candidate to me. Obama's foreign policy, Bernie's economics, and

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<v Speaker 3>Rose take on the Epstein files. Well, I takes on

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<v Speaker 3>the Epstein files are pretty good. Yeah, it's not going

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<v Speaker 3>great for him and he is trying to tiptoe through

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<v Speaker 3>a minefield. But he is very clumsy and he's not

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<v Speaker 3>very good at it, and that that is his Probably

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not here to give jade Ban's political advice, but

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<v Speaker 3>you really have to pick a side. And he's trying

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<v Speaker 3>to be all things to all people. He's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>be Trump's most loyal soldier to the mag of people.

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<v Speaker 3>He's trying to be Joe. He's supposed to get it

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<v Speaker 3>with Joe Rogan about Epstein and and he wants to

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<v Speaker 3>be the anti workut in work people. You can't do

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<v Speaker 3>all those things without it.

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<v Speaker 4>And even if you could, he's not clever enough to

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<v Speaker 4>pull it off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe some political genius could pull that off, but

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<v Speaker 3>he is not that. He is not deaft enough to

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<v Speaker 3>do that. He is awkward, he is uncomfortable, He doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>he can't really do it, like even in this when

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<v Speaker 3>you watch the I didn't watch all of this, obviously

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<v Speaker 3>because I have self respect, but I have watched a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the Rogan Bans interview. Throughout the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>He's trying to like be like, you know, Joe, I

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<v Speaker 3>get you get it. And so he goes to this

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<v Speaker 3>thing where he brings up the MMA fighter at the

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<v Speaker 3>White House, save the Michelle Obama as a man, and

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<v Speaker 3>he thinks Joe Rogan is gonna be on a side

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<v Speaker 3>because what he wants to say to Peele Joe Rogan

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<v Speaker 3>is these fucking woke liberals trying to cancel jokes. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't even get comedy. He just laugh and move on.

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<v Speaker 3>And even Drive Organ was like, I don't know man

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<v Speaker 3>saying that the White House wasn't a great idea, like

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<v Speaker 3>it's the White House, Like I don't know why you'd

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<v Speaker 3>make that joke. He's just like he just can never

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<v Speaker 3>get there. He just cannot do it.

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<v Speaker 4>He can't read other people, which is he's very low petician,

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<v Speaker 4>you can tell with interviews because he doesn't know. He's

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<v Speaker 4>always uncomfortable with the audience, with the interviewer because he's

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<v Speaker 4>trying to read what's going to make them laugh or

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<v Speaker 4>not or whatever, and he doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a little bit of Al Gore running for

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<v Speaker 3>pres in two thousand. Mmm, you're like overthinking everything you're

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<v Speaker 3>connection people. You see it with crowds too well.

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<v Speaker 4>In the other parallel. There is going to be like

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<v Speaker 4>Gore's relationship to Clinton and how Or tried to separate

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<v Speaker 4>himself a little bit from Clinton and that was a

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<v Speaker 4>hard thing to do. Yeah, this is and Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 4>is not Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>And Bill Clinton did not take that well either.

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't but was also in despite his his scandal

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<v Speaker 4>at the time, still popular. And Donald Trump Trump, and

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<v Speaker 4>don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>Don Trump appropriated to me in the sixties, like Bill

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<v Speaker 3>Clinton's was.

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<v Speaker 4>Not going to be popular, but also not going to

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<v Speaker 4>be like hey, JD, if you need to criticize me,

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<v Speaker 4>don't worry, go for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, no, I suspect not.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's going to be tricky for him. All right,

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<v Speaker 4>last thing before we get to Alex's conversation with Abdul.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been an extremely busy week in politics, so you

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<v Speaker 4>could be forgiven if you missed this major announcement from

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<v Speaker 4>Secretary of War Pete Hagsath.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so what that was fucking nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>He's so down, some weird rabbit hole born off his

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<v Speaker 3>own insecurities.

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<v Speaker 4>I was looking into this because I was where did

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<v Speaker 4>this come? Because I'm aging. No, my my t is,

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<v Speaker 4>my tea is fine, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what everyone says podcaster until it's too late.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I was like, is this just a random MAHA thing?

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<v Speaker 4>And it is, But like there was some report a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of years ago, and this was the thing in

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<v Speaker 4>Congress where like long deployments can sometimes reduce testosterone levels

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<v Speaker 4>in military. But like so you take as usual, like

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<v Speaker 4>a kernel of something, and then you turn it into this,

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<v Speaker 4>like like all these doctors are like, no, of course

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<v Speaker 4>you don't. You don't screen for this unless someone's having symptoms,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you look at it and then also test

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<v Speaker 4>and like the idea that you're just going to test

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<v Speaker 4>everyone once a year. Testosterone levels like can can jump

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<v Speaker 4>just based on the hour of the day and age,

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<v Speaker 4>and so it's like it's it's a weird thing to do.

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<v Speaker 4>And also if you do have if you do have

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<v Speaker 4>lower testosterone, apparently like the first move isn't always just

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<v Speaker 4>hormone overplace therapy, which is what Pete hagg sais is offering.

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's some doctor was like you could just go

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<v Speaker 4>to a better earlier and drink less because apparently excessive

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<v Speaker 4>alcohol consumption can reduce testosterone. So I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>I think maybe a little close to home for Pete.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I think Pete maybe he was doing

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<v Speaker 3>all of his own research. I thought what was good

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<v Speaker 3>for his goose was good for the gander.

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<v Speaker 4>So testosterone testing is now mandatory, uh, if you're over

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<v Speaker 4>thirty in the military, but the flu shot is optional.

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<v Speaker 3>Did they bring the flu shot back?

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<v Speaker 4>It's optional? It's optional optional. Yeah, who's to say if

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<v Speaker 4>you want the flu shot, great, If not, whatever, well,

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<v Speaker 4>look you're getting you're getting your t screened.

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<v Speaker 3>It's important on the flu shot because it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>the largest flu pandemic in world history started at a

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<v Speaker 3>military base.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, just look, it's a It's.

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<v Speaker 3>Another reminder that hiring the weekend anchor from Fox News

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<v Speaker 3>to run the military was a suboptimal choice.

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<v Speaker 4>Gender firming care the military care.

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<v Speaker 3>First scratch off Pete.

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<v Speaker 4>Who would have thunk from Pete Haggs.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it comes for them all eventually.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Dan, that's all for the News when we

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<v Speaker 4>come back. Abdul al sayad.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi everyone, Alex Wagner here, I just wrapped up a

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<v Speaker 6>great conversation with Michigan Senate candidate doctor Abdul. I'll say

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<v Speaker 6>ed a couple things I just wanted to know. We

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<v Speaker 6>were originally going to host a debate with all three

952
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<v Speaker 6>Senate candidates, but we ran into last minute scheduling issues

953
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<v Speaker 6>not surprising, and then Mallory mcmorro dropped out of the race.

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<v Speaker 6>So with the August fourth primary less than TikTok three weeks,

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<v Speaker 6>we decided to proceed with individual conversations and interviews. We

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<v Speaker 6>have of course, invited Abdul's opponent, Congresswoman Haley Stevens, to

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<v Speaker 6>come on the show, and we are hoping that she

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<v Speaker 6>will say yes once again, please come on the show,

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<v Speaker 6>Congresswoman Haley Stevens. We'd love to have a conversation. Also,

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<v Speaker 6>as many of you know, Abdul used to host a

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<v Speaker 6>podcast here on Crooked and John John and Tommy are

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<v Speaker 6>supporting him in the race and have contributed to his campaign.

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<v Speaker 6>Dan was supporting Mallory McMorrow. Everybody had a dog in

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<v Speaker 6>that fight, but me, I'm Switzerland. I'm neutral territory, which

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<v Speaker 6>is why I had the pleasure of doing the interview

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<v Speaker 6>with Abdul. And you can see I did not pull

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<v Speaker 6>any punches, nor did he not that it was bloody.

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<v Speaker 6>So with all of that throat clearing and housekeeping out

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<v Speaker 6>of the way, give it a listen. Here's my conversation

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<v Speaker 6>with Michigan Senate candidate doctor Abdul El sayed joining me

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<v Speaker 6>now is doctor Abdul el Sayed. I started this conversation

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<v Speaker 6>offline saying I wanted to call you doc, but I'll

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<v Speaker 6>just call you Abdul because you've given me permission. Thanks

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<v Speaker 6>for joining me today.

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<v Speaker 10>Honored, honored to be here. Like, as you know, there

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<v Speaker 10>is a live conversation about whether or not I am

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<v Speaker 10>actually a doctor, despite having spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 10>in grad school earning both a PhD and m d.

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<v Speaker 10>So like, I just preferb duel. It's unambiguous. But then

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<v Speaker 10>even then people are probably like, but his whole name

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<v Speaker 10>is abdrah Manso. I don't know, I know what can.

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<v Speaker 4>We even say?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean just casually dropping PhD and do you know

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<v Speaker 6>doctor in there something my mother wishes that I could

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<v Speaker 6>have done. I never will. So thanks for doing the

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<v Speaker 6>work for both of us.

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<v Speaker 10>Hey, you know, I for children of immigrants everywhere. Also,

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<v Speaker 10>all that means is like.

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<v Speaker 6>I will You're ruining it for the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 10>Just well, no, I wasted away my twenties And here's

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<v Speaker 10>the other side of it, Like I'm unemployed and I

992
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<v Speaker 10>ask everybody I know for money, so like, look how

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<v Speaker 10>that's going out for me?

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<v Speaker 6>Just trying to get a job here, folks. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 6>just want to caveat this. I want to time stamp

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<v Speaker 6>our conversation because we leave in news Hurricane how we

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<v Speaker 6>are recording this on Wednesday, when you had a very

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<v Speaker 6>rare open slot in your campaign. So thank you for

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<v Speaker 6>doing that, and just go forth with that knowledge. Everybody

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<v Speaker 6>who's listening and watching to this, our chummy, lighthearted conversation

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<v Speaker 6>is now going to take a pivot for the very

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<v Speaker 6>serious because well, we live in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah that part, yeah, right, real talk.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to start with Ice. On Monday, ice officers

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<v Speaker 6>shot and killed a twenty five year old legal resident

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<v Speaker 6>of this country, Joan Sebastian Guerrero. They shot him in

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<v Speaker 6>front of his wife and daughter. That was about a

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<v Speaker 6>week after killing fifty two year old father of three

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<v Speaker 6>Lorenzo Salgado a Rajo in Houston. You are running on

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<v Speaker 6>abolishing ice, and on one hand, the polling shows that

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<v Speaker 6>public opinion has moved pretty dramatically on this issue. It

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<v Speaker 6>is a strong one for Democrats. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 6>it is about fifty to fifty overall, and we really

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<v Speaker 6>just haven't seen continued national outcry and protest and mobilizations.

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<v Speaker 6>After the murders of Alex Preddi and Rene Nicole Good,

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<v Speaker 6>Ice is still capturing two thousand people a day. What

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<v Speaker 6>is your message to the other fifty out there who

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<v Speaker 6>might be a little reticent slash hesitant about abolishing ice.

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<v Speaker 10>We can have a safe and secure border, We can

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<v Speaker 10>enforce immigration policy, but we don't have to do it

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<v Speaker 10>while shredding our constitution to the interests of Stephen Miller

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<v Speaker 10>and Donald Trump. And maybe it's just that I ran

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<v Speaker 10>government agencies. There are not that many people who run

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<v Speaker 10>for Senate who've actually worked in the bowels of government.

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<v Speaker 10>And anybody who's ever run a government agency will tell

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<v Speaker 10>you that once you have a culture of impunity set in,

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<v Speaker 10>it's almost impossible to take that out. You can't reform it,

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<v Speaker 10>you can't retrain it. And for most of our existence

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<v Speaker 10>as a country, we've been able to enforce immigration policy

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<v Speaker 10>without having to have ice. Ice is what' twenty five

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<v Speaker 10>years old? Not even we don't have to have this.

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<v Speaker 10>And let's also understand what ICE has become. Ice is

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<v Speaker 10>not about immigration. Ice not about the southern border. Think

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<v Speaker 10>about the places where ICE has been the loudest. We're

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<v Speaker 10>talking about Chicago in Minneapolis. ICE is about normalizing paramilitary

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<v Speaker 10>force in contraposition to the constitutional order itself. So I

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<v Speaker 10>think we can win a future where we have a coherent, thoughtful,

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<v Speaker 10>peaceful immigration approach. But that doesn't start with ICE. That

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<v Speaker 10>starts with a pathway to citizenship and protecting our southern

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<v Speaker 10>border and enforcing policy without tearing apart the basic constitutional

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<v Speaker 10>rights that people are losing left and right. When they're

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<v Speaker 10>shooting people in the streets. It should tell you that

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<v Speaker 10>this is not about the thing they tell you it's about.

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<v Speaker 10>It hasn't been under Donald Trump, and frankly, we should

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<v Speaker 10>have known that after the first Trump administration. But the

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<v Speaker 10>last point I'll meg on this Alex is that as Democrats,

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<v Speaker 10>we have to decide that we actually want to be

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<v Speaker 10>in the business of persuasion. And I think too often

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<v Speaker 10>we're afraid of issues that they tell us we're going

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<v Speaker 10>to lose on, and we don't do the work of

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00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.039
<v Speaker 10>actually having the conversation that's persuasive. They tell us the

1052
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:58.519
<v Speaker 10>same thing about healthcare, they tell us this about immigration,

1053
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 10>They tell us this about so many issues that we

1054
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:03.079
<v Speaker 10>could win the argument on if we had the courage

1055
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:04.920
<v Speaker 10>to have it, and I'm just not willing to do

1056
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:06.480
<v Speaker 10>this without having the courage to have it.

1057
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 6>Help me understand though, practically what that means, though you're

1058
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 6>talking about peaceful immigration policy, is there immigration enforcement and

1059
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 6>who does it if it's not?

1060
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:15.519
<v Speaker 10>Yes, I mean before we ever had ICE, we had

1061
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:18.000
<v Speaker 10>i ins. But the point here is that you can't

1062
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:21.400
<v Speaker 10>enforce immigration policy to the breaking of all of the

1063
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 10>other laws, including our constitution itself, Like when they're trying

1064
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:30.000
<v Speaker 10>to pursue warrantless policy where they don't actually have to

1065
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.840
<v Speaker 10>get a warrant to enter your home to pursue immigration detention.

1066
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 10>What that tells you is that this is actually about lawlessness,

1067
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.119
<v Speaker 10>not law enforcement. And so there's an approach here where

1068
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.760
<v Speaker 10>you abolish ICE, You fire the people who've been hired

1069
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:47.039
<v Speaker 10>without the right vetting or training. You start again with

1070
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:51.119
<v Speaker 10>a very particular kind of force with high training, where

1071
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:54.079
<v Speaker 10>you are enforcing at the edge of cases that really

1072
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 10>are about somebody who has come and broken our actual laws,

1073
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.760
<v Speaker 10>rather than blanket in that is supposed to be loud

1074
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:06.119
<v Speaker 10>and in your face, specifically to weaponize the idea of

1075
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:09.800
<v Speaker 10>immigration against a political party or political movement like that

1076
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:11.639
<v Speaker 10>really is what this is about if you think about

1077
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:13.440
<v Speaker 10>Donald Trump, you think about Stephen Miller, you think about

1078
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.000
<v Speaker 10>Jade Vance. The thing that they want to tell you

1079
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.239
<v Speaker 10>is that immigrants are bad. It's the same reason that

1080
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:20.360
<v Speaker 10>they are trying to get people to move abroad when

1081
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:23.039
<v Speaker 10>they're applying for permanent residency in a green card. Right.

1082
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 10>This is not about immigration enforcement. This is about immigration itself.

1083
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:28.280
<v Speaker 10>And I'm so sorry. I happen to believe that immigration

1084
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.159
<v Speaker 10>has been a very very good thing for this country,

1085
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.480
<v Speaker 10>not just because it's been a good thing for people

1086
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 10>like me, it's been a good thing for this country.

1087
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.360
<v Speaker 10>We in this country were struggling to build public policy

1088
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 10>that gets people to want to have kids. And if

1089
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 10>you believe in capitalism, then you should know that capitalism

1090
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 10>only works because the economy grows. And part of the

1091
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.400
<v Speaker 10>reason the economy grows is because we've immigrated our way

1092
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:50.800
<v Speaker 10>out of this problem. The problem here, though, is that

1093
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.719
<v Speaker 10>these same people who are trying to weaponize ice against

1094
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.199
<v Speaker 10>the idea of immigration itself don't also want to pass

1095
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.960
<v Speaker 10>policies like I don't know, paid family leave and free

1096
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.960
<v Speaker 10>childcare and free healthcare and in investing in housing so

1097
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.280
<v Speaker 10>people could actually imagine having kids, so all of that

1098
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:06.960
<v Speaker 10>is to say we actually have to win the fight

1099
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:09.960
<v Speaker 10>around immigration itself, that immigration is a good thing and

1100
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.559
<v Speaker 10>that ice is against the Constitution itself, Like we have

1101
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:16.000
<v Speaker 10>to go and have that conversation. We really can enforce

1102
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 10>that policy if we thought from scratch about what the

1103
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:21.000
<v Speaker 10>immigration system is supposed to look like. But again, we're

1104
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.239
<v Speaker 10>not willing to have nuanced conversations because we're so afraid

1105
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:24.039
<v Speaker 10>of our own shadows.

1106
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, reaffirming that immigration is a good thing

1107
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.719
<v Speaker 6>seems like the big work ahead of us, given how

1108
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:33.800
<v Speaker 6>vilified immigrants have been, and then making the case for

1109
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:37.039
<v Speaker 6>permanent residency for people who've been here illegally for sometimes,

1110
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:41.960
<v Speaker 6>you know, decades. That's a big shift in sort of

1111
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 6>the way America writ large thinks about immigrants and immigration.

1112
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:48.360
<v Speaker 10>But Alex, I'll tell you this, right, I've been up

1113
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:50.280
<v Speaker 10>and down my state now, and I live in one

1114
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.239
<v Speaker 10>of those states that everybody says, oh, well, you can't

1115
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.519
<v Speaker 10>possibly win the state of Michigan talking about immigration. I'm sorry,

1116
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.519
<v Speaker 10>but like you know, Michiganders are open minded and they're

1117
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:02.599
<v Speaker 10>good hearted. Donald Trum sold this lie to us that

1118
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:05.119
<v Speaker 10>the reason that the economy's not working is because an

1119
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.199
<v Speaker 10>immigrant took your job. The reason that you're out of

1120
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.599
<v Speaker 10>healthcare is because an immigrant took your health care. The

1121
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 10>reason you're out a home is because an immigrant's living

1122
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:13.559
<v Speaker 10>in your home that was a whole. They're eating the cats,

1123
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:17.199
<v Speaker 10>they're eating the dogs. Yeah, And the problem with it

1124
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 10>is that we're so busy running away that we forget

1125
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.440
<v Speaker 10>that we too have mouths that we can use to

1126
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.400
<v Speaker 10>be talking about what the real problem is. If you're

1127
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 10>out of a job, it's because some corporation is trying

1128
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.280
<v Speaker 10>to figure out how to automate your job right now. If

1129
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:30.000
<v Speaker 10>you're out of a home, it's because we have not

1130
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:32.559
<v Speaker 10>invested in housing for a very long time, because the

1131
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.800
<v Speaker 10>banking industry ran a muck and then collapsed the entire

1132
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.480
<v Speaker 10>housing infrastructure, and then we stop the building housing. If

1133
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:41.000
<v Speaker 10>you're out of healthcare, well, it's because a huge corporation

1134
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:42.840
<v Speaker 10>has figured out how to buy up all the hospitals

1135
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.679
<v Speaker 10>in your location and then squeeze the money out of

1136
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:47.239
<v Speaker 10>them and then shut down the ones that are not

1137
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:51.280
<v Speaker 10>making them money. These all have answers, and if you're

1138
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:54.480
<v Speaker 10>not advancing the answers to the actual problems, and you

1139
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:56.639
<v Speaker 10>have nothing to say about those actual problems. What you're

1140
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.320
<v Speaker 10>basically saying is, well, his answer is the best available one,

1141
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:01.760
<v Speaker 10>And then we wonder why we're losing. Now, why are

1142
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 10>we not talking about corporations? Why are we not talking

1143
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:06.239
<v Speaker 10>about how unlivable it is? Well, it's because too often

1144
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.000
<v Speaker 10>Democrats take money from the exact same corporations that are

1145
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:11.239
<v Speaker 10>part of the problem. And so like, we've got to

1146
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:13.880
<v Speaker 10>get serious about actually thinking about how we advance an

1147
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 10>argument about what's wrong and how we fix it. And

1148
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.280
<v Speaker 10>when we do that, I actually think we can have

1149
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:22.039
<v Speaker 10>winning arguments about immigration too. But you can't leave his

1150
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.440
<v Speaker 10>argument sitting there without advancing an alternative argument that's not

1151
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:28.360
<v Speaker 10>a Trump bad, Yes, of course Trump bad, Trump heinous,

1152
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.960
<v Speaker 10>but like, why are you good? That really is the

1153
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:31.960
<v Speaker 10>question we have to answer.

1154
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:38.280
<v Speaker 6>Okay, on that same topic, areas where Democrats have it

1155
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:41.440
<v Speaker 6>feels like the rug pulled out from under them by Republicans.

1156
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:45.159
<v Speaker 6>I want to talk about police and law enforcement. There's

1157
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.360
<v Speaker 6>a whole lot of back and forth, and without getting

1158
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:51.440
<v Speaker 6>into the minutia, the idea of defunding the police, right,

1159
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.760
<v Speaker 6>you told the Detroit News that you never ever called

1160
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.519
<v Speaker 6>for defunding. CNN then uncovered old statements from I think

1161
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty one and twenty twenty twenty twenty, where you

1162
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.320
<v Speaker 6>did affirmatively say we do need to defund the police,

1163
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.519
<v Speaker 6>though you were clear that you didn't mean completely defund.

1164
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:11.559
<v Speaker 6>Then you also deleted a lot of old posts and

1165
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.960
<v Speaker 6>old tweets. Maybe old news, but it does beg the

1166
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:19.840
<v Speaker 6>question what is your actual position on whether or not

1167
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:21.719
<v Speaker 6>police departments get too much funding.

1168
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.360
<v Speaker 10>So look, I've in the interim, worked in Wayne County.

1169
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:28.360
<v Speaker 10>In that role, I worked very closely with law enforcement,

1170
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.000
<v Speaker 10>and of course, when you get life experience, you get

1171
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 10>a lot more nuance about how things actually work. I'm

1172
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.480
<v Speaker 10>going to venture this idea that it shouldn't really be

1173
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.039
<v Speaker 10>that controversial that everybody really just wants to get home

1174
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:41.599
<v Speaker 10>safe at night and stay safe at home. And the

1175
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:43.880
<v Speaker 10>question we should ask is how do we design a

1176
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:46.920
<v Speaker 10>system that does that? Right now? Our current system is

1177
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.920
<v Speaker 10>anytime there's any sort of social unrest, we answer that

1178
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.599
<v Speaker 10>question with somebody with a gun, and that has led

1179
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.960
<v Speaker 10>to a lot of harmful circumstances, and it isn't always

1180
00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.679
<v Speaker 10>efficient to stopping the thing that we actually want. So

1181
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.840
<v Speaker 10>what I think is that we need more investment in

1182
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:07.840
<v Speaker 10>recruitment retention and retirement for law enforcement. We need those

1183
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.920
<v Speaker 10>things why because too often the people who work in

1184
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 10>law enforcement in urban communities don't come from those communities.

1185
00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:16.440
<v Speaker 10>And that's partly because the people in those communities don't

1186
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:20.679
<v Speaker 10>believe that they can have a good life in those jobs.

1187
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:22.760
<v Speaker 10>And so I would rather have people from those communities

1188
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:25.320
<v Speaker 10>who say, Hey, I'm here to keep my neighbor safe,

1189
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:28.800
<v Speaker 10>rather than I'm policing against this whole community. But on

1190
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.119
<v Speaker 10>the other side, we need a lot more investment in

1191
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.199
<v Speaker 10>the things that actually keep people safe. It's not always

1192
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.960
<v Speaker 10>a person with the gun. It might also be behavioral

1193
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:40.599
<v Speaker 10>health response. It might be preventing violence through community violence

1194
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:43.199
<v Speaker 10>intervention programs, And I think we need those things too.

1195
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.199
<v Speaker 10>And then there's the question of the poverty that tends

1196
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.519
<v Speaker 10>to drive all of it. How are we investing in

1197
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:51.519
<v Speaker 10>public services, public schools, public wellness like those are things

1198
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:54.639
<v Speaker 10>that we need too. So rather than start with this

1199
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:57.960
<v Speaker 10>one question about defund or not defund and play into

1200
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:03.320
<v Speaker 10>again the same un nuanced, cynical approach to politics that

1201
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:05.719
<v Speaker 10>Republicans want to play, how about we talk about what

1202
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:07.920
<v Speaker 10>we want to build. So look, I get why, now

1203
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 10>everybody's sort of dragging this out. But I've tried to

1204
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:12.920
<v Speaker 10>be nuanced about what I mean even when I use

1205
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.199
<v Speaker 10>that word. But I do think it's important for us

1206
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:17.360
<v Speaker 10>again to go and win the argument. And I'll tell you,

1207
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:18.840
<v Speaker 10>I've been up and down the state. You go to

1208
01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 10>communities in the rural parts of my state and you

1209
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:23.800
<v Speaker 10>say those things, most heads are like, yeah, actually, no,

1210
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:26.079
<v Speaker 10>that's kind of what we want. So let's do that.

1211
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 6>You know, in the context of a podcast interview, right

1212
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:32.320
<v Speaker 6>there's space and time and bandwidth to talk about the nuances.

1213
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:36.519
<v Speaker 6>But unfortunately, politics right now is a caricature of itself

1214
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.199
<v Speaker 6>but also makes a caricature out of candidates. And the

1215
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:43.119
<v Speaker 6>reality is that Donald Trump won your state by I

1216
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.800
<v Speaker 6>believe a point and a half at the same time

1217
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.760
<v Speaker 6>that Alyssa Slockin won her seat by about a third

1218
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:51.679
<v Speaker 6>of a point. And I sort of wonder, you know,

1219
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:56.800
<v Speaker 6>extrapolating from your complex answers to issues that I think

1220
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.880
<v Speaker 6>really trigger the right and are easily packaged to stoke

1221
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.880
<v Speaker 6>among swing voters and independence. Are you of the mindset

1222
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:08.599
<v Speaker 6>that you need to win over people who voted for

1223
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:12.079
<v Speaker 6>Trump and more broadly, folks in the middle, or for you,

1224
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:13.239
<v Speaker 6>is this a turnout election.

1225
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:16.559
<v Speaker 10>I think there's a third way here. I hate using

1226
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:16.880
<v Speaker 10>that word.

1227
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:19.360
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, be careful, dude, you're running age.

1228
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.440
<v Speaker 10>Let's step back for a second, right. I want us

1229
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.440
<v Speaker 10>to think about what Donald Trump teaches us, if there's

1230
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:28.320
<v Speaker 10>anything to learn from his experience. You're right, politics turns

1231
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:30.679
<v Speaker 10>people into a character. Donald Trump, in theory, should be

1232
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.320
<v Speaker 10>the easiest person to caricature, and yet he won elections.

1233
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.920
<v Speaker 10>But you know what he did. He went everywhere and

1234
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:41.280
<v Speaker 10>said the same things everywhere. And Democrats play this defensive

1235
01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:43.639
<v Speaker 10>style of politics. We're so concerned about what they're going

1236
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.800
<v Speaker 10>to say about us that we forget the fact that

1237
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.960
<v Speaker 10>we two have mouths and voices and ideas that we

1238
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.119
<v Speaker 10>could be advancing anywhere and everywhere. And I think if

1239
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.599
<v Speaker 10>we do those things, and we're faster about defining ourselves

1240
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.920
<v Speaker 10>and defining others, that we can win both the kinds

1241
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.519
<v Speaker 10>of voters who've vod for people like Donald Trump and

1242
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.679
<v Speaker 10>also those folks who have sat out for a very

1243
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:07.760
<v Speaker 10>long time. And the reason I believe that is because

1244
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:10.639
<v Speaker 10>you know, our internal polling shows me up pretty substantially,

1245
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:14.360
<v Speaker 10>despite the fact that outside spending has hit fifty million

1246
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.679
<v Speaker 10>dollars in my race. Fifty million dollars. Now, if it

1247
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:19.280
<v Speaker 10>was all about what people are going to say about

1248
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:20.880
<v Speaker 10>you or what they're going to say about your opponent,

1249
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 10>I shouldn't have a prayer in hell in this race.

1250
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.000
<v Speaker 10>And yet what we've done is politics the old fashioned way.

1251
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.760
<v Speaker 10>I go everywhere, I talk to everyone. I do not

1252
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:32.960
<v Speaker 10>shy away from booking these conversations or any conversation, because

1253
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:34.960
<v Speaker 10>I know what I believe and I'm willing to talk

1254
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.760
<v Speaker 10>about it. And when people actually you give them the

1255
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.639
<v Speaker 10>opportunity to listen in nuanced people are really smart. And

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<v Speaker 10>so I just reject the idea that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 10>be turned into a character. And the way that I

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<v Speaker 10>reject it is to make sure that you have heard

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<v Speaker 10>me and that I've put myself anywhere, whether that's a

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01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.199
<v Speaker 10>town hall in your local community, or on the radio,

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<v Speaker 10>or on a TV spot, or campaign with us on

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01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.440
<v Speaker 10>Piker God Forbid, or listen and talking to you here

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<v Speaker 10>on Potsave America. And the last thing I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 10>is this, right, So I'm proving out that this tactic

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<v Speaker 10>can work, just like Donald Trump did ironically, but also

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<v Speaker 10>the last thing I'll tell you is this the real

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<v Speaker 10>divide in our politics is not around some left right

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01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:12.760
<v Speaker 10>spectrum like are you a Democrat or a Republican or

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<v Speaker 10>right wing or left wing or blue or red? And

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<v Speaker 10>that there are these people in the middle who walk

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<v Speaker 10>around wondering where they sit on a left right spectrum.

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<v Speaker 10>Most of the time, people are like, yo, I can'tform

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01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:25.239
<v Speaker 10>my healthcare and steak is so goddamn expensive, and I'm

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<v Speaker 10>really really worried about the quality of my kids' school.

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<v Speaker 10>What are you going to do about that? And so

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01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:32.039
<v Speaker 10>I don't play the game where I hw to a

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<v Speaker 10>particular set of talking points. I try to talk out

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<v Speaker 10>what I think we need to do and be completely honest,

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01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.679
<v Speaker 10>and I stand up around these you know, third rails

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<v Speaker 10>you're not allowed to touch in politics. You know every

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<v Speaker 10>time we haven't got into yet. I'm sure it's on

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<v Speaker 10>your question set. But like Israel, I'm like, look, the

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<v Speaker 10>question about Israel isn't about the theoretical right to exist

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<v Speaker 10>of a country that exists. The question about Israel is

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<v Speaker 10>do they have a right to our tax dollars? Because

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<v Speaker 10>I live in a community here in Michigan where there

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<v Speaker 10>are places not too far from where I live where

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<v Speaker 10>the meatia an income is fourteen thousand dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 10>and those people send their kids to schools that haven't

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<v Speaker 10>changed for fifty years. They can't afford basic infrastructure. Like

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<v Speaker 10>it's like you're traveling on gravel roads in the middle

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<v Speaker 10>of a city, and then you want to tell me

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<v Speaker 10>that the best use of my tax dollars is send

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<v Speaker 10>them somewhere else. And you know when you say that

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01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:19.880
<v Speaker 10>and then people hit you on it. People are just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>I actually agree with what he's saying. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 10>so interested in the theoretical question about the right of

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<v Speaker 10>a country to exist. I'm wondering what you're going to

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<v Speaker 10>do with my tax dollars and why you're sending them

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<v Speaker 10>there when I could be using them here.

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<v Speaker 6>With all due respect, I mean, the question of whether

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<v Speaker 6>Israel should exist or not is essential when you're answering

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01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:38.639
<v Speaker 6>whether a US tax dollar should go towards protecting that

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01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.079
<v Speaker 6>right to exist. And it sort of raised let me

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<v Speaker 6>just ask you the question, because I mean, I think

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01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.719
<v Speaker 6>you've made it a zero sum game between like funding

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<v Speaker 6>for for example, schools and aid to Israel. The US

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01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:52.599
<v Speaker 6>budget is large, and there's a question about, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>to what degree Congress should prioritize spending on Israel, which

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<v Speaker 6>gets at the central question. For I think a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of Jews in this country and a lot of Jews

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<v Speaker 6>in your state, is you know, the Jewish identity and

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01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:12.320
<v Speaker 6>the Jewish statehood is essential to them? And they may

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01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.559
<v Speaker 6>think that war is a genocide in Gaza, and they

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01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:19.440
<v Speaker 6>may completely disagree with Bibi net Nahu, but their Jewish

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01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:22.719
<v Speaker 6>identity is as essential to them as their American identity.

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<v Speaker 6>So I wonder, when you are thinking about those people

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01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:30.480
<v Speaker 6>and they may support you, how do you help them

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01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:35.280
<v Speaker 6>understand where Israel exists on your list of priorities. Is

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<v Speaker 6>it immoral to support Israel at this point or is

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<v Speaker 6>there some other there? Is there some other avenue.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, I grew up. I was really grateful to grow

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01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:49.800
<v Speaker 10>up in a community with a large Jewish community, forty Jewish.

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<v Speaker 10>I had the privilege of being welcomed to schul and

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<v Speaker 10>being welcomed to Satyr and going to Bar and botmtzvahs.

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<v Speaker 10>Growing up, I learned a lot about the Jewish faith.

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01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:03.079
<v Speaker 10>I learned so much about the Jewish contribution to American

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<v Speaker 10>culture in society, and I will do everything I can

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01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:08.960
<v Speaker 10>to protect Jewish Americans in this country from anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 10>I also in as much as I love the Jewish

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01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:16.760
<v Speaker 10>people and Jewish culture, I love and revere Palestinians and

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01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:21.320
<v Speaker 10>Palestinian culture, And most importantly, I love and revere the

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<v Speaker 10>people I am running to serve here in Michigan. So

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<v Speaker 10>the idea that Michigan tax dollars should be sent to

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<v Speaker 10>a foreign government that wants to foreclose on Palestinian rights

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<v Speaker 10>to peace, dignity, and self determination, which I hold equal

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<v Speaker 10>to Jewish rights to peace Ignitian self determination. But the

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<v Speaker 10>idea that aren't money is being sent to a government

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<v Speaker 10>that wants to foreclose on one community's right to self

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01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:50.039
<v Speaker 10>determination and being misused away from solving the needs of

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01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:52.880
<v Speaker 10>the people I'm actually serving is a pretty crazy thing.

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<v Speaker 10>And in setting up this question about Israel's right to exist,

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01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:58.840
<v Speaker 10>you rightly point to the idea of whether or not

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01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:02.360
<v Speaker 10>there is American intervention that ought to be spent to

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01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.280
<v Speaker 10>enforce that. And I think the vast majority of Americans

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01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:08.280
<v Speaker 10>would say, whatever you think about Israel's right to exist,

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01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:12.920
<v Speaker 10>our tax dollars should not be used for the interests

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01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:14.840
<v Speaker 10>of a foreign government when they need to be used

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01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:17.039
<v Speaker 10>for the interests of the people living in our community

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01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:20.039
<v Speaker 10>on its own. So I believe in equal rights to peace, dignity,

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01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:23.280
<v Speaker 10>and self determination for Palestinians and Jewish Israelis alike. But

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<v Speaker 10>I also understand that in an era where people ask you,

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01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:27.920
<v Speaker 10>how are you going to pay for that when you

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01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.440
<v Speaker 10>want to give people health care, or how you're going

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01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:31.159
<v Speaker 10>to pay for that when you want to give people

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01:07:31.159 --> 01:07:33.880
<v Speaker 10>good schools, it's pretty crazy to be sending our money

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01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:36.000
<v Speaker 10>over there when it could be used over here.

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<v Speaker 6>So no funding to ensure the survival or future of

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<v Speaker 6>the Jewish States.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I turn that background on you, Alex and say,

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01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:45.440
<v Speaker 10>why is it our responsibility to ensure that?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just asking because they think no, I mean, why

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<v Speaker 6>why is it standing?

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<v Speaker 10>But hear me out hear me out here, mat why

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01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:53.639
<v Speaker 10>is that the essential frame from which we work? Like

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<v Speaker 10>why is it assumed that the United States ought to

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<v Speaker 10>be in the business of backstopping a foreign government? Like

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<v Speaker 10>I'm just saying, I don't want ill will for Jewish

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01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:04.840
<v Speaker 10>Israeli people at all, I really don't. I just want

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01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:07.320
<v Speaker 10>equal rights to peace, dignity, yourself determination for all people.

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<v Speaker 10>But the notion that somehow our tax dollars ought to

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01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:13.800
<v Speaker 10>secure the interests of a foreign government, Like this is

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01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:16.359
<v Speaker 10>the United States, and our own kids don't have good schools,

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01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:18.439
<v Speaker 10>and you're telling me that should be a primary concern

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<v Speaker 10>over there. Like, imagine we said the same thing about

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<v Speaker 10>any other country, any other one like my family's from Egypt, Okay,

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01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:26.680
<v Speaker 10>Like would it be crazy if somebody was asking me, like, hey,

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01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:28.159
<v Speaker 10>do you think Egypt has the right to exist? People

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01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:31.039
<v Speaker 10>like Egypt exists. I'm like, well, if somebody wanted to

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<v Speaker 10>change the nature of Egypt, do you think the United

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<v Speaker 10>States should be spending all of its money to make

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01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:37.159
<v Speaker 10>sure or any of its money to make sure that

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01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:38.920
<v Speaker 10>that happens? And people like I don't know what that

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01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:41.720
<v Speaker 10>seems like a different country's issue, but like I'm just

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<v Speaker 10>saying that, Like you can both say that Israel exists,

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01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:48.239
<v Speaker 10>but it doesn't have a right to my tax dollars.

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<v Speaker 10>And it is not our responsibility as American taxpayers to

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01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:54.640
<v Speaker 10>take money away from kids who don't have good schools

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01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:57.119
<v Speaker 10>and give it to a country to buy bombs and

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01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:01.000
<v Speaker 10>tanks like the idea that are convers station even even

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01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:04.520
<v Speaker 10>questions that is itself a big question we should be asking,

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01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:06.039
<v Speaker 10>like why is this the frame of the debate.

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<v Speaker 6>I think APAC affiliated super PACs have spent about fifteen

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01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:14.600
<v Speaker 6>million dollars so far thirty defeat you thirty. Okay, I'm wrong, sorry,

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01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:19.359
<v Speaker 6>updated stats. And your opponent, Hailey Stevens, is their preferred candidate.

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<v Speaker 6>You've called her a sort of trojan horse for the

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01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:26.800
<v Speaker 6>pro Israel agenda. You've accused her of failing the moral

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01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:31.479
<v Speaker 6>Warshock test by not calling what's happening in Gaza, the atrocities,

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01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:35.880
<v Speaker 6>a genocide. Here's my question. There's only one Democrat that's

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<v Speaker 6>going to win this. If she wins, our unit campaign

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01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:38.039
<v Speaker 6>for her.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm going to make sure that Mike Rodgers never sees

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01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:42.720
<v Speaker 10>the inside of the US Senate. But like, here is

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01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:45.760
<v Speaker 10>that's the one question. Here's that's the important question. I'm

1405
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:47.840
<v Speaker 10>going to campaign against Mike Rogers for sure. And look,

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01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.720
<v Speaker 10>I've already said that, like I'm committed to making sure

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<v Speaker 10>Democrats win in Republicans lose.

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01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:55.439
<v Speaker 6>Do you want her campaigning for you if you're the nominee.

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01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:57.000
<v Speaker 10>But here's the bigger question. I just want I want

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<v Speaker 10>to go back to this point that you made, because

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01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:02.560
<v Speaker 10>it's it's just a really really important one. You rightly

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<v Speaker 10>pointed to the reason why the frame of the debate

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<v Speaker 10>is always about the theoretical right to exist of a

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01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:11.039
<v Speaker 10>country and where we put our money, because if you

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<v Speaker 10>say what I just said, which I think the vast

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01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.680
<v Speaker 10>majority of Americans, I'd be like, yeah, that's just conventional

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01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.520
<v Speaker 10>wisdom that we should be more worried about people in

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01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.680
<v Speaker 10>our own country than the existence of another country. If

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01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:24.640
<v Speaker 10>you say what I said, there is one super pac

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01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.560
<v Speaker 10>that's going to spend tens of millions of dollars to

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01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:32.600
<v Speaker 10>annihilate your political existence. I mean, that's why most politicians

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01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:36.239
<v Speaker 10>sit in this political consensus that says that you cannot

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<v Speaker 10>touch the third rail of Israel. Meanwhile, people in their

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01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:42.000
<v Speaker 10>own communities are like, why not when my own kid

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01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:43.479
<v Speaker 10>goes to a school that looks like it did fifty

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<v Speaker 10>years ago? And so that exactly is it, is that

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<v Speaker 10>you have a particular superPAC that has become the biggest

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<v Speaker 10>spender in our whole race thirty million dollars To try

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<v Speaker 10>to put my head on a pike, to show every

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01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:59.359
<v Speaker 10>Democrat that thou shalt not say the conventional wisdom that

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01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.000
<v Speaker 10>may maybe the interest of kids in our own country

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<v Speaker 10>matters more than whether or not we think about the

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<v Speaker 10>theoretical right to exist of another country.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you feel like there's some opportunity to work with

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01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:15.840
<v Speaker 6>Trump on this? I know, I just bear before you respond.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me just remind people. I mean, it's Donald Trump, right, but.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>This is someone who is increasingly at odds with Prime

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01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:29.680
<v Speaker 6>Minister Netanyah, who, even though he also bear hugs him

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<v Speaker 6>from time to time and has effectively fought a war

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01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:36.399
<v Speaker 6>with him for him. But they now have divergent interests

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<v Speaker 6>in terms of the war and Iran. And I'm old

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<v Speaker 6>enough to remember when Donald Trump called bb nets and yah,

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01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:43.880
<v Speaker 6>who fucking crazy?

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<v Speaker 10>That's a quote I was like four weeks ago exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>So is there I mean, is there an opportunity for

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01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:55.800
<v Speaker 6>Democrats to try and take advantage of that opportunity and

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01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:59.039
<v Speaker 6>move the needle using Trump on Israel?

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<v Speaker 10>So I'll tell you this, I'm less concerned about Trump

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01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:05.199
<v Speaker 10>in himself and more concerned about voters in Michigan who

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01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:08.399
<v Speaker 10>Trump lied to. And I can't tell you the number

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<v Speaker 10>of people who've come up to me at town halls

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01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:11.720
<v Speaker 10>and been like, I've voted for Trump three times and

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<v Speaker 10>I'm voting for you. I'd be like why, And the

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01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:16.039
<v Speaker 10>answer is usually two things. Number one, you really want

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01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:17.199
<v Speaker 10>me to have health care. I really want you to

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01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:19.920
<v Speaker 10>have health care. Number Two, it's you really want to

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<v Speaker 10>keep my money here. So we're running a pretty simple campaign.

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<v Speaker 10>Money out of politics, money in your pocket, Medicare for all.

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<v Speaker 10>And the thing about democracy is that if you can

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<v Speaker 10>win the debate, you can win voters over, you can

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01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:34.520
<v Speaker 10>win the conversation, you can start to change public policy.

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<v Speaker 10>So look, I think Donald Trump has been burnt by

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<v Speaker 10>the Israeli government and he's feeling the burn right now.

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01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:44.560
<v Speaker 10>He got duped into fighting a war that Donald Frankly

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01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:47.199
<v Speaker 10>bb and Antonia, who has been trying to find an

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01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:49.039
<v Speaker 10>idiot big enough to fight for the better part of

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01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:51.159
<v Speaker 10>forty years, he finally found the dumbas who would do it.

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<v Speaker 10>And now Trump's in the situation where he's like, damn,

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<v Speaker 10>I'm trapped all for what? So Israel could try to

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<v Speaker 10>annex southern Lebanon. You know who wins out of this war?

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<v Speaker 10>Certainly not the American public, not even Donald Trump. I

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01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:08.520
<v Speaker 10>mean maybe the Iranian Regene who now figured out how

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01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.800
<v Speaker 10>to control the flow of the world's energy supply, and

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01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:15.119
<v Speaker 10>certainly be b Natanya, who who is annihilated southern Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think there's an opportunity here to prove out

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01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.279
<v Speaker 10>that people in this country are sick and tired of

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01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:23.199
<v Speaker 10>being told what we can do from a foreign policy

1479
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:27.159
<v Speaker 10>standpoint by a foreign government, and to point to the

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01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:29.760
<v Speaker 10>obvious policy failure that has us paying five dollars gas

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01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.800
<v Speaker 10>here in Michigan, to get to a point in our

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01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.640
<v Speaker 10>politics that actually says, look, maybe this is not the

1483
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.920
<v Speaker 10>right approach here, and maybe we could actually have a

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01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:41.520
<v Speaker 10>politics for our people, by our people, and in the

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<v Speaker 10>interest of our people.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, But you are not running to be, you know,

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01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:49.680
<v Speaker 6>the mayor, right, You're not running to be an executive.

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<v Speaker 6>You are running to be in the Senate, which is

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01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:57.680
<v Speaker 6>an increasingly dysfunctional body where the term is six years,

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01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.800
<v Speaker 6>and if you have the majority, it's going to be

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01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.199
<v Speaker 6>a slim one and you're going to have to work

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01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:07.880
<v Speaker 6>with people like Mary Pultola and Roy Cooper who were

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01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:09.960
<v Speaker 6>backed by Chuck Schumer and are much more in the

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01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:12.000
<v Speaker 6>centristwing of democratic politics.

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01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:14.560
<v Speaker 4>How do you think about.

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01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:17.640
<v Speaker 6>Making common cause with them? If it's you know, if

1497
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:20.640
<v Speaker 6>it's a new democratic majority, how are you going to

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01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:24.119
<v Speaker 6>work with the people that come from a pretty different

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01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:25.319
<v Speaker 6>ideology than you.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you know. I think part of the reason there's

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01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:31.800
<v Speaker 10>so much attention being paid to this particular race is

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01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:34.760
<v Speaker 10>because Michigan is unique. Not only is it the greatest

1503
01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:37.319
<v Speaker 10>state in the country, hands down, way better than Ohio,

1504
01:14:37.479 --> 01:14:40.800
<v Speaker 10>who produced Ramaswami and jd Vance Like bad record for Ohio.

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01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:42.800
<v Speaker 10>God bless you, Shared Brown, But you're doing the Lord's.

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01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:47.479
<v Speaker 6>Work, Okay, Ohio Diggs. I'm ill. I am not involved

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01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:49.199
<v Speaker 6>in this. I just want to say, for everybody in

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01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:51.359
<v Speaker 6>Ohio that's listening, that's all on Doc.

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01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:53.239
<v Speaker 10>It's all on me. I'll take it like I can't

1510
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:57.279
<v Speaker 10>stand Ohio. But I'll tell you. I'll tell you this.

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01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:01.560
<v Speaker 10>The reason people are paying attention is because a lot

1512
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:05.359
<v Speaker 10>of folks have often said that a politics that really

1513
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:08.880
<v Speaker 10>centers in on the needs of everyday people can't win

1514
01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:14.560
<v Speaker 10>outside of you know, these these these these democratic bastions

1515
01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:18.319
<v Speaker 10>like New York. And the point that I'm often making

1516
01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:21.159
<v Speaker 10>to folks is that people need the same things wherever

1517
01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:23.880
<v Speaker 10>you are in this country, and the politics that delivers

1518
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:26.439
<v Speaker 10>on getting money out so that we can finally put

1519
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:28.720
<v Speaker 10>money back in people's pockets by like standing with unions

1520
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:32.600
<v Speaker 10>and keeping our money here and taxing billionaires their wealth

1521
01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:36.680
<v Speaker 10>and standing up to big corporate monopolies and aligopolies. That that

1522
01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:39.560
<v Speaker 10>kind of politics it can win anywhere. And so in

1523
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:43.279
<v Speaker 10>winning the race itself, we are shifting the conversation about

1524
01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:46.319
<v Speaker 10>the kind of politics we can have nationwide. And so, look,

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01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:48.600
<v Speaker 10>I'm looking forward to working with folks like Roy Cooper

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01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:53.119
<v Speaker 10>and Mary Peltola and building strong relationships, But I also

1527
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:56.399
<v Speaker 10>think that they operate from a standpoint based on a

1528
01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:59.680
<v Speaker 10>flawed set of assumptions that I'm trying to upend in

1529
01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:02.640
<v Speaker 10>this I know that we can deliver for Michiganders if

1530
01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.760
<v Speaker 10>we actually get corporations out of our politics and start

1531
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:08.800
<v Speaker 10>standing with the people. I know that Medicare for all

1532
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:12.199
<v Speaker 10>is broadly popular if you're willing to reject the influence

1533
01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:15.640
<v Speaker 10>of big pharma and big insurance corporations in trying to

1534
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:18.640
<v Speaker 10>dominate what we can possibly talk about. I know that

1535
01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:21.479
<v Speaker 10>keeping money here rather than supporting a foreign government over

1536
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:24.039
<v Speaker 10>there is broadly popular, and I want to prove it out.

1537
01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:26.880
<v Speaker 10>And when we do in this race, I want to

1538
01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:28.760
<v Speaker 10>be able to have conversations with folks and think, hey,

1539
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:30.960
<v Speaker 10>look we did this in Michigan. I think you can

1540
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:33.079
<v Speaker 10>do it too, And I think we can actually build

1541
01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:35.920
<v Speaker 10>a politics that actually get stuff done because here's the

1542
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:39.520
<v Speaker 10>problem with it. Look at my own race, dt our

1543
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:45.520
<v Speaker 10>Local Utility, Blue Cross, Boushield are local Health, Insuran, Big Tech, APAK.

1544
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:49.720
<v Speaker 10>They're funding both my Democratic opponent and my Republican one.

1545
01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:53.159
<v Speaker 10>So if either of them win, guess who wins. Big

1546
01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:58.119
<v Speaker 10>Tech wins, Blue Cross, Boushield wins, APAC wins, dt E wins.

1547
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:01.199
<v Speaker 10>And we're all out here being like, well, oh, the

1548
01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:03.640
<v Speaker 10>body is so dysfunctional. We never get stuff done well

1549
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:06.199
<v Speaker 10>because we never really have a contrast that's about getting

1550
01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:09.319
<v Speaker 10>stuff done because guess what, either way, the corporate lobbyist

1551
01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:11.600
<v Speaker 10>is showing up with the same bill and then and

1552
01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:14.199
<v Speaker 10>then they tell you, oh, look you have a bipartisan

1553
01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:18.279
<v Speaker 10>opportunity to get legislation done, and bipartisan because corporations have

1554
01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:21.079
<v Speaker 10>bought off both parties, and then you patch yourself on

1555
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:22.680
<v Speaker 10>the back for being pipartisan to do the thing that

1556
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:26.000
<v Speaker 10>helps the corporation and not the people you got elected

1557
01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:27.720
<v Speaker 10>to serve. And I think we have an opportunity here

1558
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:30.600
<v Speaker 10>to actually win the debate and then actually start doing

1559
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:32.760
<v Speaker 10>things that deliver for people because none of us got

1560
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.000
<v Speaker 10>into this work like this is a shit job. I

1561
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:36.840
<v Speaker 10>just want to be clear, It's just a shit way

1562
01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:38.960
<v Speaker 10>to live your life. None of us got into this

1563
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:41.279
<v Speaker 10>because you know, you don't want to deliver for people.

1564
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:43.319
<v Speaker 10>And the hardest part for me is like I carry

1565
01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:45.520
<v Speaker 10>people's stories with me. I mean, I trained as a

1566
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:47.600
<v Speaker 10>doctor and I learned how to listen to people in pain.

1567
01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:50.199
<v Speaker 10>But people bring you their stories hoping that you can help.

1568
01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:52.079
<v Speaker 10>And I know, I know, I know, I know for

1569
01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:54.680
<v Speaker 10>every single person in public service, like you're doing this

1570
01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:56.840
<v Speaker 10>because you really want to help those people, but the

1571
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.600
<v Speaker 10>system has rigged it so it's almost impossible to do

1572
01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:01.680
<v Speaker 10>what if we actually took it on in one So

1573
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:03.760
<v Speaker 10>that's a conversation I'm hoping to have with the ninety

1574
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:06.359
<v Speaker 10>nine other senators in the country. I think some of

1575
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:08.439
<v Speaker 10>them will go better than others, but I think we

1576
01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:11.560
<v Speaker 10>can prove out that we can actually win on our

1577
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:13.720
<v Speaker 10>morals if we can do that here in Michigan. Now

1578
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:16.720
<v Speaker 10>here's the hard part. They're spending a shit ton of money,

1579
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:19.239
<v Speaker 10>right to stop. It's fifty million dollars already come in

1580
01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:22.000
<v Speaker 10>fifty million, well being out spent eight to one. And

1581
01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:26.600
<v Speaker 10>yet you know we're still leading the conversation. So it's

1582
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.039
<v Speaker 10>got to be people coming together around a politics that

1583
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:30.439
<v Speaker 10>is of the people, by the people, and for the

1584
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:32.680
<v Speaker 10>people standing up to the power of the corporations who

1585
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:34.279
<v Speaker 10>are keeping us from having the things that we need

1586
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:34.760
<v Speaker 10>and deserve.

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<v Speaker 6>I have two quick questions.

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01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:38.720
<v Speaker 10>You can make a long questions if you want.

1589
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:45.199
<v Speaker 6>Okay, you talk about taking power, you talk about democratic control.

1590
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:51.279
<v Speaker 6>The president this week is focused on election interference, not

1591
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:56.279
<v Speaker 6>his own, which is measurable, but on alleged intelection election interference.

1592
01:18:56.319 --> 01:18:59.439
<v Speaker 6>All of this is a bid to distort, if not steal,

1593
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.800
<v Speaker 6>the results of the twenty twenty six midterms. Are you

1594
01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:06.039
<v Speaker 6>worried about a peaceful transfer of power? Is there something

1595
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:08.760
<v Speaker 6>Democrats should be doing that they're not doing if in fact,

1596
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.600
<v Speaker 6>they win the both houses one or both houses of Congress?

1597
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:13.800
<v Speaker 6>Are you worried about a peaceful transfer of power? And

1598
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:16.399
<v Speaker 6>is there something Democrats should be doing that they're not doing?

1599
01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:19.439
<v Speaker 10>I am, I'm really worried about it. Donald Trump understands

1600
01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:21.920
<v Speaker 10>the stakes of this, and he basically told the Republicans

1601
01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:23.159
<v Speaker 10>as much. He said, if they win, I'm going to

1602
01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:26.359
<v Speaker 10>be impeached. And you know, there is nothing about that

1603
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:28.600
<v Speaker 10>man that is about the dignity of his office. It

1604
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:33.079
<v Speaker 10>is entirely about self preservation and self enrichment, and that's

1605
01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:36.439
<v Speaker 10>how he's used the office. Now, he understands that our

1606
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:39.640
<v Speaker 10>winning is the single biggest threat, and he's acting accordingly. Now,

1607
01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:42.960
<v Speaker 10>the problem that we so often have is that we

1608
01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:49.159
<v Speaker 10>don't actually meet the demand with the right level of urgency.

1609
01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:50.960
<v Speaker 10>So I think it's incumbent on all of us to

1610
01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:53.720
<v Speaker 10>be narrating exactly what's happening. Look, here's what he's doing.

1611
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:58.079
<v Speaker 10>Here's why he's mobilizing ice, here's where they're buying detention facilities.

1612
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:00.560
<v Speaker 10>Here's what he said he wants to do. Here's where

1613
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:05.079
<v Speaker 10>he's sending election interferers, and here's what they say they're

1614
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:06.680
<v Speaker 10>going to do. We need to be very very clear

1615
01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:10.239
<v Speaker 10>about that, and then we need to mobilize people past it.

1616
01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:14.720
<v Speaker 10>The way to make the elections unriggable is to overwhelm

1617
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:17.840
<v Speaker 10>them with the power of a message that gets people

1618
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:20.920
<v Speaker 10>out to actually win, Like, we can't keep winning these

1619
01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:23.880
<v Speaker 10>razor thin elections anymore when they want to steal them,

1620
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:26.760
<v Speaker 10>because razor thin elections are way easier to steal. And

1621
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:28.239
<v Speaker 10>so you know, people talk about like, are you gonna

1622
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:30.079
<v Speaker 10>win the middle or are you going to bring people out.

1623
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:31.880
<v Speaker 10>It's like, we don't have a choice but to do both.

1624
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:34.239
<v Speaker 10>We've got to win people who are disaffected by him,

1625
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:36.000
<v Speaker 10>and we've got to win the people who've been disaffected

1626
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:39.279
<v Speaker 10>by the political process itself. We've got to win in

1627
01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:42.159
<v Speaker 10>massive waves. That is the way we protect our democracy.

1628
01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:44.239
<v Speaker 10>That is the way we take back power, hold him accountable,

1629
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.600
<v Speaker 10>and finally finally get the kind of democratic process back

1630
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:53.319
<v Speaker 10>that allows people's actual will to reflect in government.

1631
01:20:53.359 --> 01:20:55.560
<v Speaker 6>When you talk about people's will being reflected in government,

1632
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:58.840
<v Speaker 6>I would assume that means also having people that represent

1633
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:03.119
<v Speaker 6>different generations of people, different generations of Americans. There's been

1634
01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:06.520
<v Speaker 6>a lot of criticism about the gerontocracy, uh, the the

1635
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:11.720
<v Speaker 6>aged seniority in democratic and Republican ranks, but especially in Republicans. Well,

1636
01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:14.960
<v Speaker 6>I won't even say especially in democratic and Republican ranks.

1637
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:17.840
<v Speaker 6>Do you think Mitch McConnell is alive?

1638
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:19.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean, do you think he owes the public?

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01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.960
<v Speaker 10>Do you think question that I don't have the data

1640
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:23.760
<v Speaker 10>to be able to answer.

1641
01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:25.520
<v Speaker 6>Do you think we do you think he owes voters

1642
01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:28.680
<v Speaker 6>of video? Do you think the photo of and.

1643
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:32.479
<v Speaker 10>I'll just say that photo is unconvincing. But but let's

1644
01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:36.079
<v Speaker 10>step back, Like the idea that politicians should die in

1645
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:38.680
<v Speaker 10>office is crazy, and you know, let's let's not be

1646
01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:40.680
<v Speaker 10>the pot calling the kettle black like we had our

1647
01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:44.279
<v Speaker 10>whole Diane Feinstein situation too. I just think that it's

1648
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:45.479
<v Speaker 10>it's important.

1649
01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:48.840
<v Speaker 6>To have Well, I think people would say Joe Biden

1650
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:51.159
<v Speaker 6>is the case number one of someone perhaps being too.

1651
01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:55.600
<v Speaker 10>Old for that. But but I mean, we just just

1652
01:21:55.640 --> 01:21:58.199
<v Speaker 10>this week, we're dealing with one person who passed away

1653
01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:01.199
<v Speaker 10>and another who like, we don't know if you passed away,

1654
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:04.199
<v Speaker 10>And so I just think that, like we do need

1655
01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:07.399
<v Speaker 10>to reinvigorate our politics. I think that that's going to

1656
01:22:07.479 --> 01:22:09.720
<v Speaker 10>naturally happen with time. But I also think that part

1657
01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:12.159
<v Speaker 10>of the problem right now is that the way that

1658
01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:14.760
<v Speaker 10>we do politics makes it so that it is too

1659
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:17.680
<v Speaker 10>easy to accumulate and hold power once you've already gotten it.

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<v Speaker 10>And part of that is a filibuster, part of that

1661
01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:25.760
<v Speaker 10>is campaign finance law. Part of that is the role

1662
01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:30.079
<v Speaker 10>that's played by like television and media. Like, I just

1663
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:33.039
<v Speaker 10>think we're not actually having a robust debate about who

1664
01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:34.800
<v Speaker 10>we are and who we want to be. That reflects

1665
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:39.800
<v Speaker 10>a whole half of the voters. And so part of

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<v Speaker 10>what we've tried to do in our campaign is rather

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<v Speaker 10>than you know, talk down to young people. I'm forty one,

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<v Speaker 10>so I don't even know what that means, like I'm

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<v Speaker 10>particularly young you, but but Alex, I'm the oldest have

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<v Speaker 10>ever been. So all of all of that is to

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<v Speaker 10>say that, like, part of the way that you engage

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<v Speaker 10>young people, to bring them back to the process is

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<v Speaker 10>to actually ask them what they want for the future

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<v Speaker 10>that they have the highest taken, and to center them

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<v Speaker 10>in the campaign and to make policy around what it

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<v Speaker 10>is that they say they want. So when we focus

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<v Speaker 10>in on affordability of housing, when we focus in on education, affordability,

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<v Speaker 10>when we focus in on AI, this is about reflecting

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<v Speaker 10>the need and the urgent fears of young people in

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<v Speaker 10>our society who are saying, look, I just took a

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<v Speaker 10>sixty thousand plus dollar loan for the opportunity to have

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<v Speaker 10>a job that an AI looks like it's about to take.

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<v Speaker 10>What the fuck do I do? And if we don't

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<v Speaker 10>have an answer for them, then we're not serious about governing.

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<v Speaker 10>It's interesting. I was talking to to some folks and

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<v Speaker 10>they're like, well, you know, this AI thing. I think

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<v Speaker 10>it's overblown. I'm like, not if you're under thirty. And

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<v Speaker 10>this is the first era in which you have the

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<v Speaker 10>people who are who are the most afraid of a

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<v Speaker 10>new technology are the youngest people. Most of the time,

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<v Speaker 10>the people who are the earliest adopters and who like

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<v Speaker 10>it the most are young. But like it's because young

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<v Speaker 10>people both use AI and understand the danger of AI.

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<v Speaker 10>And so you know, we've put AI front and center.

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<v Speaker 10>We have an AI for Democracy plan, which is about

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<v Speaker 10>putting democracy ahead of AI and making sure that at

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<v Speaker 10>least fifty percent of the border representation of every AI

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<v Speaker 10>hyperscaler is democratically selected. And we're doing that because I

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<v Speaker 10>take seriously that young people are going to have to

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<v Speaker 10>live in the world that we legislate in, and that

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<v Speaker 10>means centering them in these campaigns. And I think once

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<v Speaker 10>we do that and young people make a habit of it,

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<v Speaker 10>I think we're going to start to see a lot

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<v Speaker 10>more turnover.

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<v Speaker 6>Will there be a day when the forty one year

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<v Speaker 6>old actually feels old in the US Senate TBD on

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<v Speaker 6>that one.

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<v Speaker 10>I'll be forty two by that point.

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<v Speaker 7>But I'll let you know, Okay, keep us posted doc.

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<v Speaker 10>I will, I will doctor Abdul.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll say ed, it is a pleasure speaking with you.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you for entertaining my numerous questions. We will be

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<v Speaker 6>following the race very very very carefully. Good luck out there.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you, and look if for folks who want to

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<v Speaker 10>get involved, go to abdulforsenate dot com. I hope you'll

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01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:01.279
<v Speaker 10>tip us off five bucks or ten bucks or we're filmmaking.

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<v Speaker 10>This is an opportunity. It's literally the money versus the

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<v Speaker 10>many in this race, so I hope that folks will listening,

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<v Speaker 10>will get involved. Alex, thank you for a really thoughtful conversation.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm really grateful for it and looking forward to the

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<v Speaker 10>next one.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, definitely.

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<v Speaker 4>That's our show for today. Thanks to Abdul for coming on.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan will be back in the feed on Sunday with

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<v Speaker 4>a conversation with Run for Something's Amanda Littman. Dan, what'd

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<v Speaker 4>you guys talk about?

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<v Speaker 3>Amanda and I had a great conversation about what's happening

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01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:33.079
<v Speaker 3>to Democratic Party right now, where the party can go

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01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:36.119
<v Speaker 3>from here, and the really inspiring story she's hearing from

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<v Speaker 3>the one hundred thousand people who've signed up to run

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<v Speaker 3>for office since Trump was elected in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to be inspired, you just talked to

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<v Speaker 4>Amanda Littman works every time. All right, everyone, have a

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<v Speaker 4>good weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye everyone.

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