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Speaker 3: And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.
Speaker 2: Everybody, it's Cliff and you're listening to Bigfoot and Beyond
Speaker 2: with Cliff and Bobo. Bobo, how you doing today? Oh,
Speaker 2: that's right. Bobo's not quite here yet, he's running late,
Speaker 2: but we do have a Bobo substitute. How are you
Speaker 2: doing today, Bobo substitute?
Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 2: That's right, friends, it is Bart Kutino who's going to
Speaker 2: be our guest on today, the lovely and talented Bart Kutino.
Speaker 2: Things are going lovely, Bart. How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 3: Doing great? Doing great? Just got up here last night.
Speaker 3: I ain't do our little annual trip twenty years friends,
Speaker 3: so now looking forward to it. It's been great.
Speaker 2: So you've been doing the Bobo Bart trip for twenty
Speaker 2: years now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's about about twenty years.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So that means you guys must have
Speaker 2: started when you were four? Is that right?
Speaker 3: Just about I don't feel it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: So you this gout got there last night? Do you
Speaker 2: stay at Boba's house or do you get a hotel?
Speaker 2: Or do you stand in the truck or what do
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know this one this weekend. We usually don't
Speaker 3: stay out. We might a couple of nights, but we
Speaker 3: usually just do some intermittent use his house as the
Speaker 3: base camp, if you will, and watch our football and eat,
Speaker 3: do everything else and head out periodically. Nice.
Speaker 2: And I was Thanksgiving for you because it must have
Speaker 2: been a big to do at the Coatino house.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. Yeah, I know it was awesome. It was.
Speaker 3: We did mom and Dad's. I took over Christmas Eve
Speaker 3: so they still got it. And thirty five so big family,
Speaker 3: you know, thank got Some of them were actually spread
Speaker 3: out in other areas would be one hundred, pretty easy,
Speaker 3: these big Italian families. But no, it was a.
Speaker 2: Blast, fantastic. Did you do the cooking?
Speaker 3: No, actually they did. You know, It's never been my
Speaker 3: type of food. I've never been into the things, so
Speaker 3: I'm kind of getting into it a little bit lately.
Speaker 3: And Kim does a great job. But I yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: do Christmas Eve. I'll do all the Italian stuff, the
Speaker 3: seafood stuff. But yeah, not big on Thanksgiving. Do you
Speaker 3: guys have a good one?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, it was good, It was good. I went
Speaker 2: to the woods in the morning, that was rad. I
Speaker 2: found an interesting print. I cast it. I got the
Speaker 2: toes pretty good. The rest of the planter surface didn't
Speaker 2: turn out very well though, I mean because it wasn't
Speaker 2: really even there. I didn't even try that hard. So
Speaker 2: I made a damn and I made sure that the
Speaker 2: plaster would stay in the right place, so I got
Speaker 2: a really nice impression of the toes. I'm not exactly
Speaker 2: sure which individual it is, but I suspect it might
Speaker 2: be the male that is rarely found in the area
Speaker 2: because it is very, very wide. It is probably about
Speaker 2: probably seven or eight inches wide, and I think that's
Speaker 2: just bigger than the fourteen inch and the twelve inch
Speaker 2: would be so, and the impression that was there was
Speaker 2: about fifteen inches, so maybe it's the fourteen inch one,
Speaker 2: but I think it's the mail. I think we've now
Speaker 2: got two or three prints of the mail in the area,
Speaker 2: and the footprint seems to be about fifteen fifteen and
Speaker 2: a half inches long. So yeah, anyway, so I got
Speaker 2: a cast on my birthday, which is rad and then
Speaker 2: came home by one point thirty started preparing the turkey.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed cooking turkeys, so I did that, and then
Speaker 2: Melissa and I just kind of hung out and ate
Speaker 2: some turkey and all that fixing sort of stuff, killed
Speaker 2: a bottle of wine, and watched Fellowship of the Ring.
Speaker 3: So that's great. Was that a call in or was
Speaker 3: that a random on that morning?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh the track? Yeah, Oh, it was just random. It
Speaker 2: was just random. I'm in the woods one to three
Speaker 2: days a week at this moment, you know, So I
Speaker 2: always hit the same couple areas because I mean it
Speaker 2: would be I don't know, man, I wish there were
Speaker 2: more of me and I had more time to do it.
Speaker 2: But I try to hit the same one or two
Speaker 2: three different spots every single time I go, which is
Speaker 2: every single week, because if I find something like I
Speaker 2: found it yesterday but I didn't find it the week before,
Speaker 2: well then I have a time frame in which the
Speaker 2: creature walked through, you know, so I think I think
Speaker 2: that's important. And then if I had more time, which
Speaker 2: I didn't yesterday, I try to hit a new area
Speaker 2: that I don't think anyone has gone into and I'm
Speaker 2: trying new roads and new new locations and you know,
Speaker 2: driving thirty minutes away and you know, hitting that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. You know, just trying to use my brain
Speaker 2: a bit to try to wrap my head around what
Speaker 2: these things are doing. So that's the plan, you know,
Speaker 2: go to the normal spots to see if they've been
Speaker 2: there the last week, and if if we don't find anything,
Speaker 2: then go to a new spot to see, you know,
Speaker 2: just just a pope to see what's in there, because
Speaker 2: you just never know, man, unless you go, you just
Speaker 2: won't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that that was alliday, of course. And other
Speaker 2: than that, I've been working basically, you know, I've been
Speaker 2: piecing together a video, great video. I should send it
Speaker 2: to you if I don't say so myself. I think
Speaker 2: it's a pretty great video.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, check it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go check it out that I'll send it to you.
Speaker 2: It's a museum member video, of course. And then it
Speaker 2: looks like we're losing Scott, one of my employees. So
Speaker 2: he just covers weekends right now, so I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to be covering weekends for a while until we get
Speaker 2: him replaced. Not super excited about that. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, it's good to be in the shop. I
Speaker 2: don't mind that I have to go in. I just
Speaker 2: you know, it's like always, I don't like to happen
Speaker 2: to do things on people's schedules, not even my own.
Speaker 3: That's the ownership part. Hopefully you'll get them, get them
Speaker 3: replaced here pretty quick, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, So what's up with bows Man? Why is
Speaker 2: he not on the air with us yet?
Speaker 3: He had an event he had to go to. He's
Speaker 3: just he and as we're talking, he just rolled in
Speaker 3: about about five minutes ago. He'll be back up here
Speaker 3: in just a few he said.
Speaker 2: So he's been around for five minutes and he's not on. Okay, great.
Speaker 5: Now that Bobo has coverage, he's even more late than usual,
Speaker 5: of course, of course. So what have you been up
Speaker 5: to in the field, Bart, We haven't caught up in
Speaker 5: a while. We caught up a little bit after the
Speaker 5: book came out, But I'd love to hear what you've
Speaker 5: been up to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, pretty exciting stuff. You know. I figured
Speaker 3: out at fifty I'm going for it. You know, we
Speaker 3: all have limited capacity or battery. I mean, I'm never
Speaker 3: going to stop until it's done. But I decided, you
Speaker 3: know what, I got to step it up. And I
Speaker 3: think my wife so much ten percent of the year.
Speaker 3: I'm actually a Washington State resident. I'm up there quite
Speaker 3: a bit and got my gang up there. But we
Speaker 3: put together the Sasquatch Surveillance Project and started with Kurt Brandenburg,
Speaker 3: who's longtime Washington researcher and longtime friend. And then you
Speaker 3: guys know Nathaniel Bronis and sharp son of a gun,
Speaker 3: I mean, just brilliant tech and stuff I'm not good at.
Speaker 3: He's just phenomenal at. And it's great and we've got
Speaker 3: we went ahead and brought in and Chris and Rebecca
Speaker 3: Spencer just recently married and two great friends. And you
Speaker 3: know what Chris has done audio, it's unbelievable, is catalog
Speaker 3: and library. So we're kind of pulling everything to resources together.
Speaker 3: And we've got about eight thermal cameras out there right now.
Speaker 3: What Nathaniel did, essentially in a nutshell, rewired them so
Speaker 3: they're like trail cameras motion detection. They can go retrieve
Speaker 3: the SD cards every couple of weeks. So no one,
Speaker 3: as far as our knowledge, no one's really tried this yet.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of trial and error they've got
Speaker 3: I'd say we're about maybe three to four months in
Speaker 3: so far. No jackpot, but a lot of cool stuff,
Speaker 3: a lot of great animals, you know, during nocturnal hours,
Speaker 3: and you're seeing things that no one ever gets to
Speaker 3: visually see because the circumstances, right, there's no light, there's
Speaker 3: no nothing. They're just you know, in the wild. So
Speaker 3: some really cool stuff.
Speaker 5: So does it start recording whenever there's like a differential
Speaker 5: in the pixelization, like when anything hot shows up, no
Speaker 5: matter how distant. Yep, Oh, that's awesome because then you're
Speaker 5: not limited by the a passive IR sensor like you
Speaker 5: have on a trail camera that's only really seeing like
Speaker 5: thirty feet, and so you're you're basically watching as far
Speaker 5: as the thermal eye can see. That's amazing. And no,
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone's ever done that, because it must
Speaker 5: have taken some modifications to make the unit capable of
Speaker 5: doing something like that. So that's super cool.
Speaker 3: I don't know how the hell you do. I mean
Speaker 3: that is to me, I mean to me, it's my
Speaker 3: weakest point. I thank God for them and just brilliant.
Speaker 3: Like I said, there's a lot of trial and everybody
Speaker 3: figured it out and becoming seamless. At this point, he's
Speaker 3: able to get the units together much cheaper as well.
Speaker 3: So we've got about eight fleer Bosons out there right now.
Speaker 3: I'm going to probably double that here in the New Year.
Speaker 5: You said it's called the fleer Boson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're fleer Bosons. They're you know, I'm used to now.
Speaker 3: It's funny. I was a fleer guy back in the
Speaker 3: day and then the last last I don't know, ten years,
Speaker 3: I've got four pulsars now, I mean that's my that's
Speaker 3: my favorite. So they were kind of catching me up
Speaker 3: with these units. I think they came out after you know,
Speaker 3: I had my old age series and all of that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's six forty five twelve res. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I mean, they're they're phenomenal. So they keep them stationary,
Speaker 3: keeping the bare boxes. Apparently he's tested doesn't give off MTh.
Speaker 3: I don't know how he does that, but apparently that's
Speaker 3: the case. And the other think we've we've already had
Speaker 3: though a couple of incidents is where you know, when
Speaker 3: Bear found it, you know, at one point, but I
Speaker 3: think it's just a matter of time. We're in for
Speaker 3: the long game. I'm not following around. If anything, I'm
Speaker 3: going to double it, triple it. It's just going to
Speaker 3: get more intense from here. It's you know, we know
Speaker 3: they're out there, and you guys always know That's always
Speaker 3: been my my personal goal. He's always been passionate pursuit.
Speaker 3: I want it done. I'm not here to play woods
Speaker 3: and Wildman, and the sooner the better.
Speaker 5: So are these like handheld you units that are just
Speaker 5: mounted in bare boxes.
Speaker 3: No, they're the uh they're they're stationary units.
Speaker 5: They're like like the old pathfinders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, yeah, exactly. I'll send you a couple
Speaker 3: of pictures of the rig the setup. Uh. The he's
Speaker 3: got even the internal the bones of it, you know
Speaker 3: how how he's kind of rigged it underneath. And then
Speaker 3: also too, he's he's putting them in and uh, it's
Speaker 3: like an artist's job. You know, he's got them in
Speaker 3: like you know, big logs and snags and it's just covered.
Speaker 3: You just barely see that, you know, little windows screen
Speaker 3: and all that's all that's you know, everything else is
Speaker 3: completely concealed, and you know it's it's sort of what
Speaker 3: picks up IR doesn't give it off like night vision,
Speaker 3: and there shouldn't be technically, as far as we know,
Speaker 3: any deterrence. But I think we're gonna have to do
Speaker 3: some manipulations here probably quarterly. You know, we'll play around
Speaker 3: and uh, they have to just do some other things,
Speaker 3: you know, create subterfuge or whatever. But you know they
Speaker 3: walk by. You know, we got.
Speaker 5: Them, so that's very cool. Now, have you had any encounters,
Speaker 5: any experiences of the last few years since we did
Speaker 5: a deep dive and caught up because you know, you
Speaker 5: were one of the early guests on the podcast and
Speaker 5: we talked about, you know, your thermal sightings and your
Speaker 5: thermal footage and those things. But that was probably twenty
Speaker 5: nineteen or maybe early twenty twenty, somewhere thereabouts, within the
Speaker 5: first year of us having the podcast. So anything that's
Speaker 5: happened since then, the audience and myself would probably love
Speaker 5: to hear about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I had not a ton I did
Speaker 3: have in twenty one. I had a very brief visual
Speaker 3: I was completely caught with my pants down. It was
Speaker 3: on one of my bart foot expeditions in in the
Speaker 3: summer in Washington State the Southern Olympics, and first night
Speaker 3: getting there, and it was brief, but I saw enough
Speaker 3: of it, you know, as you guys know, having used
Speaker 3: these things, Cliff, you know, Bo, all of us, it's
Speaker 3: we've used it so much we could discriminate what we see.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's one of the keyest see into that
Speaker 3: thermal world, you know. And uh, it was one of
Speaker 3: those instances where I got there that night and I
Speaker 3: even just went for a one hour hike just to
Speaker 3: get a lay of the land. I'd never been there,
Speaker 3: and then just took a break to the third woman
Speaker 3: d rat. You guys know, I never take the damn
Speaker 3: thing off my eye. And uh, you know, talking with
Speaker 3: everyone visiting and and Jonathan Brown actually was there, and
Speaker 3: you said, uh, he said, you know, something's walking up
Speaker 3: the hill. And if I had a nickel for every
Speaker 3: time someone said that, right, it turns out to be nothing.
Speaker 3: But everyone kind of ran up and looked, and there
Speaker 3: was something running and I tad my throt my Thermalana,
Speaker 3: I'm looking and I'm just in shock. I someone I
Speaker 3: thought it was a person running around the front of
Speaker 3: the truck that was back down the road. There was
Speaker 3: no one else pass there, and I just who's running?
Speaker 3: It was so quick? Who's running front of the truck?
Speaker 3: And I looked in as soon as that thing turned
Speaker 3: it it was like you see, you know that it
Speaker 3: was the size wise it was only like maybe five
Speaker 3: eleven two twenty five, but that shoulders and head that definitive,
Speaker 3: no doubt, and cut through so quick went ripped up
Speaker 3: a bend through the trees. There was a little window
Speaker 3: through the trees. That's where I really really knew where
Speaker 3: it was because I could see from like you know,
Speaker 3: stepping through with like the running through I should say,
Speaker 3: with the thigh to the top of the head and
Speaker 3: the little tree branch bouncing as it just ran uphill.
Speaker 3: And by the time I got it recording, it's me
Speaker 3: trying to you know, compensate and catch it, get ahead
Speaker 3: of it going uphill. So I missed it by a second,
Speaker 3: but totally got caught with my pants down. It was,
Speaker 3: I mean, it was awesome. We had we had a
Speaker 3: lot of other stuff happened during the expedition, but you
Speaker 3: could see where, you know, it divvied that foot and
Speaker 3: just ripped in through that. I mean, I'd never seen
Speaker 3: one run or move like that, and it was it
Speaker 3: was just like wow. It was just another kind of
Speaker 3: reminder we are where we are why, So that was cool.
Speaker 3: Both of times I had bo and I think we
Speaker 3: got surrounded by Knox one time since I've talked to you.
Speaker 3: And then I had a long expedition coming back from
Speaker 3: Washington last well September going into early October. I didn't know.
Speaker 3: It was kind of uneventful. We hit a couple different
Speaker 3: places in Washington, had the Barfoot expedition with the Browns,
Speaker 3: and coming back in Norical, I stopped. We actually got
Speaker 3: Cliff for one night. I didn't even know he's going
Speaker 3: to be in town. We hadn't had a chance to
Speaker 3: communicate yet before. I usually see him on the way up.
Speaker 3: And Bou joined us too for a couple hours. But
Speaker 3: that's you know. Second night, I was Arizona with Leiderman
Speaker 3: and Cliff was there. Cliff had just gone out maybe
Speaker 3: half hour before, and I had grabbed I had a
Speaker 3: little epiphany when I was in Washington State. We were
Speaker 3: over by Rimrock Lake and I'm in the river bed,
Speaker 3: and I happened to clack those rocks together, and there
Speaker 3: are more of those colonial graphite like those hollow and
Speaker 3: those rocks versus the regular sediment rocks that you're going
Speaker 3: to get in the forest amplifies like three to four times.
Speaker 3: It's like throw on a speaker as far as like clacking.
Speaker 3: So I took these rocks with me. The other thing
Speaker 3: that was interesting is even if they're cold to the touch,
Speaker 3: the rocks stay warm when you look at them through
Speaker 3: a thermal And thinking back towards my footage and what
Speaker 3: type of rocks maybe we're thrown in it, and anyways,
Speaker 3: I take these rocks back. I clacked them about a
Speaker 3: half hour after Cliff and went down and about a
Speaker 3: minute half later not even got a full like twenty
Speaker 3: nine second sequence of clack, like very almost rhythmic. It
Speaker 3: was jaw dropping. I couldn't believe it, And especially where
Speaker 3: we were where there's a history there Cliff and boded.
Speaker 3: Stuff happened before there years ago. But it was it
Speaker 3: was it was epic. I mean just totally took me
Speaker 3: by surprise. And it was something too. I was mimicking
Speaker 3: it to Cliff when he got up, and I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's something where it almost felt like the
Speaker 3: cadence was like, oh you could do that. Let me
Speaker 3: show you what I could do. Or it's something that
Speaker 3: maybe means something had him fooled for a second and
Speaker 3: it's something we can exploit and maybe buy a check it,
Speaker 3: you know, if you will. So anyways, that was that
Speaker 3: was pretty cool. But other than that, pretty quiet. You know,
Speaker 3: we've recorded our stuff, you know, sounds here and there,
Speaker 3: but you know, nothing to get excited about him trying
Speaker 3: to I want to get the ball moved downfield, of course.
Speaker 2: Very cool. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: It seems most most of our research time has been
Speaker 2: spent up in Washington the last couple of years, or
Speaker 2: north northern California to Washington, you know during the summer.
Speaker 2: I know you take a long two week or three
Speaker 2: week trip up there every year, and of course you
Speaker 2: do this thing this weekend with Bobo. Have you been
Speaker 2: spending time locally in the central California area because you
Speaker 2: live in Monterey, of course, and you have the you know,
Speaker 2: the big Surre area to south of you, and there
Speaker 2: Santa Cruz just north of you, and the Sierra is
Speaker 2: just east of you. Have you done anything out there
Speaker 2: in the last few years.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, great question.
Speaker 3: I've actually been still been doing the Sierras intermittently, so
Speaker 3: I'll do two sections. I went back to the Sierra
Speaker 3: site in August to film with Eli for upcoming show
Speaker 3: coming up here in the early part of the year.
Speaker 3: But I've been spending a lot of time in this
Speaker 3: central Sierras, you know, with Strawberry Twain Hart area over
Speaker 3: there with Tony Ruan was one of my field partners.
Speaker 3: Great guy, retired guy. He had saw one in the
Speaker 3: engineer saw one in Sycamore Canyon in Arizona, I think
Speaker 3: about ten years ago, and that's really would you know,
Speaker 3: got him into it and great guy. He's also recently
Speaker 3: he was the first guy I think to go back
Speaker 3: in a long time as far as bigfooters to the
Speaker 3: Sierra Sound site. He kind of figured it out through
Speaker 3: you know, pictures that were left and whatnot, and so
Speaker 3: he made it all the way to the site, took
Speaker 3: all the comparison pictures. It's actually awesome. I kind of
Speaker 3: went underneath the radar. He's he's a big information share
Speaker 3: type of guy. I mean, just awesome guy. So I'm
Speaker 3: going to be spending a lot more time there. You know,
Speaker 3: it's only three and a half four hours. It's convenient.
Speaker 3: It'd be a it would be a great ideal place
Speaker 3: to get footage. I mean, because you do have you
Speaker 3: know a little better tree separation. I mean, the Sierra
Speaker 3: is just ideal, you know, if you can get them there.
Speaker 3: So anyways, yeah, we're in to you know, June, July,
Speaker 3: and August, do a lot of weekends over there. And
Speaker 3: God bless my wife. I mean she knows. I mean
Speaker 3: that's this is my last goal you know in life,
Speaker 3: is to you know, got them once. It wasn't good enough,
Speaker 3: but I want to just have that one time to
Speaker 3: uh five minutes to slam the ball and the goal
Speaker 3: line and then the death start happening in life as
Speaker 3: we get older, right, I mean the roller coaster of life.
Speaker 3: But this is uh, I want to make a big
Speaker 3: push and get try to get this thing done.
Speaker 2: Well, you did say a couple of minutes ago, and
Speaker 2: I'm quoting you, you're going to do this quote until
Speaker 2: it's done. Do you really think you're going to stop?
Speaker 3: Oh you mean post.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like say Darby and those guys get it
Speaker 2: done this year. You know, then it's a done deal, period,
Speaker 2: no question anymore. The professionals take over, the anthropologists or primatologists,
Speaker 2: they're in there doing stuff. All of us are kind
Speaker 2: of kicked to the curve and we're just watching the
Speaker 2: Discovery Channel, you know, documentaries on them. Now, you know,
Speaker 2: are you still gonna Are you said you're going to
Speaker 2: do it till it's done? Does that mean you stop
Speaker 2: doing it?
Speaker 3: That's a great question. Actually no, absolutely not. I would
Speaker 3: keep doing it. But I think what would change is
Speaker 3: just that underlying See, guys, that's mine as you guys know,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's my big intangible is the attention, you know,
Speaker 3: And it's I think it would it's it's always because
Speaker 3: I've seen when I've had my visuals, I saw how
Speaker 3: easily I could have missed them and probably have, And
Speaker 3: so that price of attention it would probably come down.
Speaker 3: I'd actually be a little more relaxed and you know,
Speaker 3: probably enjoyable the pressures off where I fill out there.
Speaker 3: It's not a business to me. I've always separated business
Speaker 3: from my passion, but it's it is a business in
Speaker 3: the sense that I know how hard it is to
Speaker 3: see these things. I've seen them and I don't know
Speaker 3: if I'll ever see one again. I'm going to give
Speaker 3: myself every opportunity, But I think posts there would just
Speaker 3: be that, you know, a little more of a I
Speaker 3: could let loose a little bit, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: instead of constantly feeling like I got to be aware.
Speaker 2: I kind of wonder if it's going to be even
Speaker 2: legal to do what we do, calling and knocking on
Speaker 2: trees and stuff like, you know whatever, that nighttime stuff.
Speaker 2: If you still do that, Like is that even going
Speaker 2: to be legal or is that going to be considered
Speaker 2: harassment of wildlife or an impossible endangered species?
Speaker 3: You know, that would be well, we got we got
Speaker 3: mister Bobo joining us here. But yeah, I know it's
Speaker 3: a great question. I've thought about that before. I think
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. It would be it would be arassed,
Speaker 3: but there would be no way there allow it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this is kind of an interesting question. There's
Speaker 2: a lot the lot, a lot of unknowns out there
Speaker 2: besides just the animals themselves, Like what will happen, like
Speaker 2: what will it look like post recognition? I think, you know,
Speaker 2: and what do.
Speaker 3: You do about just it's a continent wide distribution, It's
Speaker 3: not like, it's just these you know, immediate geographical you know,
Speaker 3: little pockets. I mean it's like, where do you you know,
Speaker 3: I think that's always been what you said, it's habitaty.
Speaker 3: How does that all work?
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I think you it would start with
Speaker 5: wherever the discovery is confirmed, and it will move into
Speaker 5: minimal necessary increments to allow for that discovery. You know,
Speaker 5: that's a debate I've had with a few of my
Speaker 5: sasquatch researcher friends who think that, oh, well, if you
Speaker 5: prove that they exist, you'll get nationwide recognition. And it's like,
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think if you if a
Speaker 5: specimen were collected in Florida, they're not going to preserve
Speaker 5: habitat and enact legislation in Washington. You know, I think
Speaker 5: there would still be a host of challenges and fun
Speaker 5: things ahead that citizen science could achieve. That would be
Speaker 5: whether it's detecting populations via e DNA. Once you have
Speaker 5: a fully sequenced genome from a specimen, Okay, well, now
Speaker 5: we're going to look for this signature in the Cascades
Speaker 5: and the Sierras and the Rockies and the Olympics and
Speaker 5: on and on and on. And then in terms of
Speaker 5: what you're trying to do with getting footage, like well,
Speaker 5: just proving that they exist via DNA, people would still
Speaker 5: be desperate to know what they look like and how
Speaker 5: they move and how they interact with each other or
Speaker 5: the environment, and so all those things will still take
Speaker 5: many decades to accomplish and achieve. And you know, it
Speaker 5: might become illegal to harass them, but it won't become
Speaker 5: illegal to be in their habitat with a camera or
Speaker 5: a thermal, you know, right, and.
Speaker 3: All that stuff. You'd make a great point. I mean,
Speaker 3: all that stuff would flesh out and time, you know,
Speaker 3: over time.
Speaker 2: I just hope I can to have a part of
Speaker 2: it all. I mean, I don't I don't really mean
Speaker 2: discovery whatever. I know they're real. I don't care about
Speaker 2: discovery so to speak, or recognition necessarily, But I just
Speaker 2: want to learn about them. And I see recognition of
Speaker 2: the species as the door that needs to open for
Speaker 2: us to learn more. Obviously, because you can, I can
Speaker 2: only get so far doing what I'm doing here. But
Speaker 2: you know, once we have the genome, and once we
Speaker 2: know these things are out there, like everybody knows they're
Speaker 2: out there, it's not a secret anymore. Basically, I still
Speaker 2: want to go out and collect footprint stuff, and I
Speaker 2: want to get some e DNA from footprint. I want
Speaker 2: to learn about the big foots that we have here
Speaker 2: in my neck of the woods. Those are the ones
Speaker 2: I care about. You know nothing against anyone's bigfoots wherever
Speaker 2: you are in Virginia or Florida or wherever else. But man,
Speaker 2: the ones that are here are the ones that I've
Speaker 2: been dealing with for a couple of years now, and
Speaker 2: those are the ones I want to know the most about.
Speaker 6: It's pretty small minded, cleve.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: You know me man, For such a big head, I've
Speaker 2: got a pretty small mind.
Speaker 6: I care about all the squatches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only so many hours in the day, man,
Speaker 2: only so many miles left on my vehicle.
Speaker 6: You'll you'll always have a spot now.
Speaker 7: I mean your mother's you know, protege, like he's the
Speaker 7: top scientist. So I mean you'll always be You'll always
Speaker 7: be in there, and you've contributed a lot. You're still
Speaker 7: going to contribute a lot, so you'll be they'll be
Speaker 7: calling you that. I mean, they're not gonna call me,
Speaker 7: they'll call you.
Speaker 2: Well, well, hopefully with the institution behind me, the NABC.
Speaker 2: You know, I can continue being a small part of
Speaker 2: the team that's putting this puzzle together. It seems like
Speaker 2: a good way to spend the last thirty years of
Speaker 2: my life if I eat, if I have even that long.
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
Speaker 6: I just hope and recognize my contributions as an eventure
Speaker 6: of the Sasquat Stop Dance.
Speaker 2: That's you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a great graduation.
Speaker 2: Were you a pigeon yet?
Speaker 6: No, the pigeons weren't well in hard I was, but
Speaker 6: we weren't a real gang until eighty three.
Speaker 2: He was a proto pigeon, a proto pigeon, So.
Speaker 6: I wasn't a pigeon yet, but I was an egg
Speaker 6: and spirit.
Speaker 5: You're waiting to hatch?
Speaker 6: Yeah, unknowingly.
Speaker 3: I never can do that.
Speaker 2: Wait, so Bobo, wait, can you roll your r's, like
Speaker 2: if you're speaking Spanish or something, can you roll your rs?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Can you do that? Bart can't do it?
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't have the gene. No, Well, Bob's welcome
Speaker 2: to the podcast. By the way, how are you doing,
Speaker 2: my friend? Anything good going on? Bobs? You've been to
Speaker 2: the woods or anything? And anything cool going on?
Speaker 7: Uh? I went out with Bart last night. I got
Speaker 7: out a couple of times last week, I got once
Speaker 7: older this week. Nothing going on, but I've been feeling
Speaker 7: the vibe like something's gonna happen again.
Speaker 2: Are you up in the red Woods orre out of
Speaker 2: Bluff or where were you just so? The road wads
Speaker 2: on the coast Bluss probably probably snowed in right now,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 6: Where are you gonna check it out?
Speaker 2: Yeah you might as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're gonna go how far we can get. Those
Speaker 7: other guys, Uh, Doug and Todd have some stuff up
Speaker 7: and again down lower, like a few miles up the road,
Speaker 7: So we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Go check that out.
Speaker 7: Gus Todd's out there this weekend. He went out there
Speaker 7: last night, so he's out there. So we're gonna check
Speaker 7: it out probably tomorrow or to night or something.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, very good, Yeah, Bart was Bart was saying,
Speaker 2: it's twenty you guys are twenty years in on this now.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's nuts.
Speaker 6: I've only made one bet so far this whole weekend.
Speaker 3: He's doing good.
Speaker 2: That's the other part about this big weekend with you guys.
Speaker 2: Sure you guys go out big footing and hang out
Speaker 2: and have bro time and stuff. But it's also all
Speaker 2: about football, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, I love it. It's always been. That's always
Speaker 3: been one of my other just crutches.
Speaker 2: I just love.
Speaker 3: I love decompressing on the Sundays and watching football.
Speaker 6: I love watching Bart bett and gamble and yell and
Speaker 6: scream at the TV.
Speaker 2: It makes you feel not so alone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he puts action on every single game.
Speaker 6: He's got action on some part of it. So it's
Speaker 6: like game he's going, oh man, like.
Speaker 7: Like you know, the whales of lament to the victorious,
Speaker 7: joyous yells of victory.
Speaker 5: Bart We had a we had a previous guest on
Speaker 5: and I'll spare them the embarrassment, but I'll tell you
Speaker 5: off the record who it was and when we when
Speaker 5: we started the podcast, we hit record and Bobo was like, hey,
Speaker 5: I got a lot of money on this game, so
Speaker 5: I can't turn it off. And so the whole time
Speaker 5: the guest was talking. Every once in a while in
Speaker 5: the background, you'd hear Bobo go. So I left them
Speaker 5: all in there because they're they're just so hilarious, dude,
Speaker 5: They're so funny to hear, like him talking and Bobo going.
Speaker 3: Ooh yeah for me for the interception, No, I love it.
Speaker 5: Put on the chimp screams will be out in full force.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So yeah. So it's uh we have Bart, Bobo,
Speaker 2: Cliff Matt, and several football games is going on all
Speaker 2: during the same podcast.
Speaker 6: Sorry, sorry, that's all right.
Speaker 2: It's a small price to pay to having a podcast
Speaker 2: right now, you know, And I think our listeners will
Speaker 2: probably agree with that. It's at least at least he
Speaker 2: got us.
Speaker 5: Do you guys bet against each other?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a good question, dude.
Speaker 6: H we will tomorrow, Yeah, we'll do it, yeah tomorrow.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say that I was just an h
Speaker 6: MP's ladies funeral or memorial just now.
Speaker 3: They did this.
Speaker 6: It was one of the biggest ones I ever saw.
Speaker 6: That was a thousand people.
Speaker 7: There probably are something like that the whole community of
Speaker 7: southern like Ferndale for fourteen area.
Speaker 6: There's most like a lot of old rancher families and stuff.
Speaker 6: It's all Portuguese is at the Portuguese Hall like overflowing
Speaker 6: into the streets.
Speaker 7: They did a big slide show with music and then
Speaker 7: they're playing like Whitney Houston.
Speaker 6: Always love you whatever.
Speaker 7: And then then also the music stops and it cuts
Speaker 7: to a voice flip Patler left for eighty and like
Speaker 7: one of the last ones where he sanger a song right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: Like all these people are like grimaces, all like eighty
Speaker 7: year old ladies with blue bouth botch like grimacing.
Speaker 3: Like she goes, what is that? I'm like, that's Patrick.
Speaker 7: And she just and she just shook her head like
Speaker 7: I said, I just looked around watching all these people.
Speaker 6: Uh like just in bewilderment.
Speaker 7: What happened? Like this beautiful, lovely voice. Also there's Patler
Speaker 7: screeching metal vocals. He's wearing his best poisoned shirty man.
Speaker 7: He took a black Dicky's colored shirt and so had
Speaker 7: a lady so on his poison and Cinderella patches on
Speaker 7: the front.
Speaker 6: He's wearing his good shirt.
Speaker 2: His good shirt.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if there's one thing that could be
Speaker 2: said about heavy metal Pat is he's exactly the kind
Speaker 2: of guy that would put the fun into funeral?
Speaker 5: What episode was he in for the listeners with Bart
Speaker 5: Bobo's Backyard? So if you're not familiar with heavy metal Pat,
Speaker 5: go look that episode up.
Speaker 2: And with Bart, Yeah, the fining big Foot episode of course,
Speaker 2: so it's not a podcast.
Speaker 3: Was that four Team were thirteen? Fourteen?
Speaker 6: Thirteen?
Speaker 2: No, it was after that, No, it was it was fourteen,
Speaker 2: because that's where that's the episode that we found soci
Speaker 2: on I believe.
Speaker 7: Okay, So yeah, we had Fireball. We had Fireball, Bart
Speaker 7: and HMP in one episode that was Now we got
Speaker 7: kicked out of it. We all got kicked out of
Speaker 7: the hotel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I got kicked out of the hotel for
Speaker 2: having Sochi in the room.
Speaker 6: I got booted too, for too much noise.
Speaker 2: Well, you were heckling the car dealers.
Speaker 3: They deserve this right. We were at the Casino Hotel.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 7: I was on fire, though everyone else was laughing, just
Speaker 7: except for them.
Speaker 6: They should have been laughing those good times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good times.
Speaker 5: Well, Bubbo, you are a perfectly lovely house guest. But
Speaker 5: I have heard tales about your hotel etiquettes.
Speaker 7: People are certain hotel management was trying to relign my character.
Speaker 7: And but I was always a very gracious guest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he always stayed one step ahead as far
Speaker 2: as malignment. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Are you still loving your job?
Speaker 6: Uh, it's all right, yeah, I mean it's way worse.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I fink it's a job. I mean,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, for a job, it's pretty.
Speaker 6: Good, right, Yeah, I mean I like it.
Speaker 2: And you have a Christmas break coming up too.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, we'll go down and see the folks.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna take the time off to make sure I
Speaker 7: get up there when prove it comes out too in January?
Speaker 2: Oh really for squatch Fest huh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, do an appearance an appearance at your place too, Cliff.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, always welcome with you guys.
Speaker 3: Are or you're both speaking squad. I'm going for the
Speaker 3: first time this year.
Speaker 2: I'll be up there both Bat and I are speaking
Speaker 2: at it awesome. Then who else is it? Ken Gerhart
Speaker 2: or somebody?
Speaker 6: I think so?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ken Kathy Strain is speaking, Amy Boo will be
Speaker 5: speaking there, Shane Corson.
Speaker 6: Shane yep in LINEA.
Speaker 3: It'll be fun, Prude, How long are you going for.
Speaker 5: I'll be at Cliffs Museum on Thursday and then doing
Speaker 5: the event Friday through Sunday and then coming home Monday. Okay, Bart,
Speaker 5: I don't think we've seen each other in person since
Speaker 5: the North col trip in twenty ten, so we are overdue,
Speaker 5: that's for sure. Earlier this year was the first one
Speaker 5: of those I'd ever been to, and it was a
Speaker 5: very well run event. It was awesome. Had a blast
Speaker 5: out there and saw so many great friends and all
Speaker 5: the attendees were great. It was a real treat to
Speaker 5: be there. So really looking forward to this one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's gonna be cleugh. I went to that one
Speaker 6: and whatever. The first year, I went to the first
Speaker 6: I think I went to the first two. I went
Speaker 6: to the first team and I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 5: But well, if you come out there like we should,
Speaker 5: just because my table was usually like next to or
Speaker 5: near cliffs, we just put our tables together and just
Speaker 5: have one big, bigfoot and beyond booth.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to be sitting there.
Speaker 2: That sounds like work.
Speaker 6: We got anything to sell?
Speaker 5: You could sell selfies and autographs.
Speaker 7: Yes, I still got some heads actually left over from
Speaker 7: doing the conferences.
Speaker 5: I was at McKay's bookstore in Knoxville yesterday and I
Speaker 5: was telling Emily, like, yeah, the last time I was here,
Speaker 5: Bobo found a single copy of the Fighting big Foot
Speaker 5: book and bought it used and then signed that one
Speaker 5: copy and headed a his merch table at the event
Speaker 5: in gallen Burg. He's a businessman.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I made twenty three dollars on that deal.
Speaker 5: It was a good deal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a good That was a great stop.
Speaker 6: I'm a genius.
Speaker 5: Do you guys have specific plans anything you're going to
Speaker 5: try to accomplish during these next few nights of outing
Speaker 5: and celebrating twenty years of squatching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of interested in your specific techniques of
Speaker 2: what you're doing out there in the woods.
Speaker 3: You know, the.
Speaker 6: Usual barton his rock knocks. Last night we just sat,
Speaker 6: which are that same spot?
Speaker 7: Just we sit and then when do we have like
Speaker 7: a twenty percent success right or something twenty five percent?
Speaker 3: You know, there's times of years, but then it's yeah.
Speaker 6: And I've gotten stuff in between.
Speaker 7: So I'm hoping, well, last time I was out there
Speaker 7: was well, not last time, but one of the last
Speaker 7: times I was out there was with our buddy from
Speaker 7: Pennsylvania that came out and we left, and then when
Speaker 7: he went and got a recorder the next morning, there
Speaker 7: were knocks. There was knocks that came up around the
Speaker 7: you hear the knocks come close to where the recorder was,
Speaker 7: and then you didn't hear him walk up or anything.
Speaker 7: But you heard the last knock real close to the
Speaker 7: recorder and that was it. But so they gave us
Speaker 7: no indication of being there, but they were there, and
Speaker 7: we didn't know until we left, you know. Thll I
Speaker 7: think it was twenty minutes after we left we started
Speaker 7: hearing the knox on the on the recorder. Yeah, so
Speaker 7: they're around to announce themselves all the time, you know,
Speaker 7: so we're hoping to catch them going and the old
Speaker 7: girl sections were hoping to going to go in between
Speaker 7: trees or there's big gaps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got, like I said, the tripod the thermal.
Speaker 3: What I've been doing different now this day is I
Speaker 3: used to I always had the one around my neck
Speaker 3: manually that I basically sleep with that thing. But then
Speaker 3: I tripod the others, you know overnight. Well now I'm
Speaker 3: trypodding them, you know, behind me on trails whatever, just
Speaker 3: coming back retrieving them, pulling the footage. Could do it
Speaker 3: on the on the stream vision app now and uh,
Speaker 3: it's interesting, just a lot more animals, you know, like
Speaker 3: you could just have nothing you know, no animals present
Speaker 3: that you see or you know, hear feels like, you know,
Speaker 3: take off for an hour film and sure enough, you know,
Speaker 3: something comes through, Bobcat runs through or whatever. You know,
Speaker 3: deer comes through. So I'm doing more of that and
Speaker 3: we're kind of facing uphill in the tree gaps. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that type of thing. We're doing a little bit differently,
Speaker 3: and and uh, we'll probably create He'll do, He'll do,
Speaker 3: probably do some driving, and I'll be doing a lot
Speaker 3: of therming. I mean, we're not going you know, we
Speaker 3: might do a couple overnights. We'll see, we're gonna play
Speaker 3: my air there we are, Oh, I'm in music. Music
Speaker 3: to my ears.
Speaker 6: Crews come back tomorrow. So we'll heat out look at
Speaker 6: all those.
Speaker 7: Nights yelling and screen of the TV over the weekend
Speaker 7: and go out and get out there overnight. And these
Speaker 7: guys httle satellite So we got that. We got his
Speaker 7: pizza and all that stuff. So we're setting up on
Speaker 7: a put a little pop ups up and have satellite
Speaker 7: TV and the squatching.
Speaker 6: Dirt you know, just in between. Uh, I mean you
Speaker 6: can set up there and watch football and squash at
Speaker 6: the same time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's rough. In it. I was gonna say, if
Speaker 5: you had the starlink thing, you could just like pipe
Speaker 5: the football to like one handheld unit, hold it in
Speaker 5: one eye, and then have the thermal up to the
Speaker 5: other eye. Just keep walking around.
Speaker 3: That's so true.
Speaker 6: Goggles off of it's eyes different.
Speaker 5: But exactly.
Speaker 3: I love the multitasking. I love them just being up
Speaker 3: here like this. One's more of like, you know, we're
Speaker 3: just doing our things we love to do together, and
Speaker 3: but you always mix in the squatching. But you know,
Speaker 3: we've had a lot of good things happened over the
Speaker 3: years on these trips, this time of year, especially you know,
Speaker 3: on the coast.
Speaker 5: So since we're talking about a twenty year anniversary, did
Speaker 5: you guys meet on a BFRO expedition.
Speaker 6: Or first one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh four, And then I met Cliff. It was exactly
Speaker 3: a year later. I met Cliff with BO. I was
Speaker 3: out with Bo in the same area. Yeah, I talked
Speaker 3: about it. I think I just lucked out, you know,
Speaker 3: once getting those invisible handcuffs off at twenty nine and
Speaker 3: jumping in and going on the first one. I mean, Jesus,
Speaker 3: first person I talked to you literally was Bob Gimlin.
Speaker 3: I was just like, yeah, I know, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 6: He brought his cousin, you know, his cousin. He had
Speaker 6: a peace on. He brought a nine mill tucked at
Speaker 6: his waistbag just in case you never know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason kme. We lived together at Fresent's feet. It
Speaker 3: was great. He had a blast. That was a good time.
Speaker 6: This wear like a tracksuit, like looked like John Gotti
Speaker 6: or something.
Speaker 5: So what were your first impressions of Bobo. I'm sure
Speaker 5: the listeners want to know. Bobo's very beloved and celebrated.
Speaker 6: Here all to your big g God bart.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I actually thought he was hilarious. Love the guy right away,
Speaker 3: be honest with you. I can't even joke about it.
Speaker 3: I mean it was, it was. It was great and
Speaker 3: he and God bless him. He I was. I was
Speaker 3: afraid of my own shadow at night the first time
Speaker 3: getting out, and I was like, you know what, no,
Speaker 3: if I'm going to do this, that's the first thing
Speaker 3: that's got to be shed. And that was that was
Speaker 3: the person who helped get that standard shed it very quickly.
Speaker 3: Now it's you know, been creatured the night. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have any of the way but that he was instrumental
Speaker 3: in that a lot of other things, but no great,
Speaker 3: great first impression. I thought he's hilarious. My cousin loved
Speaker 3: him too, But uh yeah, we stayed in touch and
Speaker 3: then I think you came down to Santa Cruz, I think,
Speaker 3: and then you know, right off the bat, I mean
Speaker 3: just we all kind of became friend. Moneymaker was down
Speaker 3: visiting Monterey, you know, within a couple of months, and
Speaker 3: then there was a lot of connection. I had to
Speaker 3: just being back home. Uh you know Ron moorehead like
Speaker 3: he's you know, Ronda. I think got married at our restaurant,
Speaker 3: you know, starting factory back in the day. John fred
Speaker 3: is still great friend. He worked in Monterey County. He
Speaker 3: already knew you know, knew my family there. So it
Speaker 3: was just like I felt comfortable right away, you know
Speaker 3: with everybody. And then you know a lot of years
Speaker 3: going out together. There's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: special time.
Speaker 5: Sounds like you won the Bigfoot lottery, you know, because
Speaker 5: there are it was probably a little different, you know,
Speaker 5: I know it was at least for me twenty something
Speaker 5: years ago, where it was such a it was a
Speaker 5: much smaller pool. But I venture a guess that there's
Speaker 5: still probably the same percentage of like people who don't
Speaker 5: conduct themselves very well in the subject, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. And so the odds of meeting people that
Speaker 5: you hit it off with that you would want to
Speaker 5: hang out with anyway, those are pretty low. So that's
Speaker 5: you definitely got a winning ticket there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely definitely did. It was it was kind
Speaker 3: of it was kind of something meant to be. It
Speaker 3: felt like, you know, and you know, and I had
Speaker 3: to learn. I was very raw, you know. So I
Speaker 3: I really have learned last twenty years like a sponge.
Speaker 3: I've just learned everything backwards. I fished a lot, but
Speaker 3: I was never a hunter never, you know. So I've
Speaker 3: learned everything I can from everyone I can, at least
Speaker 3: enough to be dangerous in all areas. And what I
Speaker 3: love about our field than all the friendships too, is
Speaker 3: just everyone who specialized in you know, you got to
Speaker 3: track ish, you know boom. I got Cliff immediately, I
Speaker 3: got Audio, I've got Chris Spencer, and I got David
Speaker 3: Ellis immediately, you know what I mean. It's everyone's got
Speaker 3: their niche mine mine is the thermal and never taking
Speaker 3: the thing off my eye. But everyone's got something to contribute.
Speaker 3: That's kind of their wheelhouse, per se. I love that
Speaker 3: and the friendships and relying on each other and it's great.
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely Yeah. Cliff and I were having a conversation
Speaker 5: the other day about just the current state of Sasquatchry,
Speaker 5: and I was kind of mentioning that, you know, I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people get into this and they
Speaker 5: they're pretty convinced that they're fairly dedicated, because I think
Speaker 5: people look at the subject and they see a lot
Speaker 5: of bad actors and they think like, oh, well, these
Speaker 5: people are faking being dedicated, and it's like, no, No, I
Speaker 5: think a lot of these people think they are, but
Speaker 5: they just haven't run up into tough times yet or
Speaker 5: frustrations or all that. And so the only true measure
Speaker 5: of dedication is time. And they're such a small handful
Speaker 5: of people that I could think of that I know
Speaker 5: who have been involved as long as you guys have,
Speaker 5: you know, twenty plus years, twenty five, thirty years, you know,
Speaker 5: in Cliffs case, in Bobo's case. But to see those people,
Speaker 5: and the great thing about that cohort of people is
Speaker 5: they're all friends.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like everyone who's been around for that long. You know,
Speaker 5: all know and like and respect each other and work
Speaker 5: well together, and so there's really a lot to be
Speaker 5: said for that of like, you know, whenever people say, oh,
Speaker 5: just so and so, are they serious? Are they dedicated?
Speaker 5: Do they really believe? It's like, well, they've been at
Speaker 5: it hardcore for twenty something years. Do the math, you know,
Speaker 5: of course, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It wasn't until the Internet that I've met anyone like me. Well,
Speaker 7: I mean, one guy that was really into it, but
Speaker 7: other than him.
Speaker 6: Who wants.
Speaker 7: All of a sudden, I was like, well, I'm making
Speaker 7: friends in big money after like twenty I was already
Speaker 7: doing it for like twenty years. Then that started being
Speaker 7: you know, maybe fifteen years in my first letther big footers,
Speaker 7: and I was just like, this is rather like, well
Speaker 7: I can come with her, like just as new it
Speaker 7: as I am. I want to go out as much
Speaker 7: as I want to. I was like, this is awesome.
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely yeah that's and we've all met through the
Speaker 5: BFRO essentially, and I you know, I could list twenty
Speaker 5: thirty something people in my life, you know, even including
Speaker 5: my wife that I met through BFRO related endeavor. So
Speaker 5: in a way, bfrro was kind of like squatchsonly dot
Speaker 5: com or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, Matt Moneymaker is truly a matchmaker. Yeah, he's the
Speaker 2: one that told me that if if I ever do
Speaker 2: have children, I have him to think Matt Matchmaker match moneymaker.
Speaker 6: Yep, much better match moneymaker or Matt Matchmaker.
Speaker 2: I like match moneymaker.
Speaker 6: That'll be, you know, that'll.
Speaker 7: Be whoever whoever answers that first to the podcast reply,
Speaker 7: when's the contest about?
Speaker 6: To get the free message from me and Cliff?
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bobo will leave you a voicemail, not like leave
Speaker 5: it on your voice, but he'll create an outgoing voicemail
Speaker 5: so that when people call you they will encounter Bobo.
Speaker 6: Or send a voice text to a person of your choice.
Speaker 5: A heckle, that would be nice. Yeah, and so for
Speaker 5: the second episode in a row, now, I'll put Bobo's
Speaker 5: cameo in the show notes.
Speaker 3: So thanks nice.
Speaker 5: If you guys want to personalized message from the Bobes,
Speaker 5: click the link in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Everybody, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 2: and Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: Do you remember in the early days when Bobo's sigma
Speaker 5: would be wonky, and so he would drive up the
Speaker 5: mountain and use his phone as a Wi Fi hotspot
Speaker 5: and have his laptop on the steer will to do
Speaker 5: the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was somehow better.
Speaker 5: He was listenable. I can't I couldn't tell you off
Speaker 5: the top of my head which episodes they were, but
Speaker 5: there was more than one where he'd be like, hold on,
Speaker 5: I'm just getting parked up here.
Speaker 2: I know he's done some podcasts from various parking lots.
Speaker 6: Logging roads, parking lots.
Speaker 3: Out of the road.
Speaker 2: You're one of a kind, Bobo. Thank you, Yes, I'm thankful.
Speaker 2: There's only one of.
Speaker 3: Them, yeah, Bart, one another bet So you.
Speaker 2: Guys don't show that. I mean, Bubo, your team's at
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, right, yeah? And what about you, Bart?
Speaker 2: You probably have some like obscure team that you love
Speaker 2: that you're you'll you'll die for, right.
Speaker 3: You know me too well, but you die hard Miami
Speaker 3: Dolphins than Toronto Blue Jays and baseball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, because you're you're you're
Speaker 2: a team player, because I know, I know about the
Speaker 2: Toronto Blue Jays stuff, and it's like well, my brother
Speaker 2: was in the baseball, and I've known some people who
Speaker 2: are in the baseball and not one of them has
Speaker 2: ever said, oh, Blue Jays are my jam. But you
Speaker 2: have and you've stuck with it forever.
Speaker 6: Man, he's the only got some Blue Jays, Dolphins, Sharks,
Speaker 6: and Golden State Warriors fan like HARDCOREA the only one.
Speaker 3: Oh the Warriors, I don't know you about. I mean,
Speaker 3: I have an MBA, I watch it. I'll bet off
Speaker 3: the playoffs a little bit, but I just never they're.
Speaker 6: A Warrior fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I am, but it's I don't fall
Speaker 3: on like the other three.
Speaker 4: For the.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know anything bart As you know, I'm
Speaker 2: completely ignorant about most of these things that you guys
Speaker 2: are talking about. Have the Blue Jays ever won the Pennant?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: They went well. They won the World Series back to
Speaker 3: back when I was just out of high school. It
Speaker 3: was awesome ninety three and it was funny because back home,
Speaker 3: you everyone's you know, especially a Giants, a lot of
Speaker 3: as fans too, obviously, but it was I remember one
Speaker 3: of them was like a Tuesday night and it's I'm
Speaker 3: out just celebrating and no one gave that they were
Speaker 3: all happy for It wasn't the same as when they
Speaker 3: all win and everyone's just yeah, you know, but it
Speaker 3: was No, it was great. I was glad to see
Speaker 3: them win. I saw, you know, the Dolphins won the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl a month before I was born, and I've
Speaker 3: not won again. See, they've lost a few I've seen.
Speaker 3: But my wife says, with my teams, because there's been
Speaker 3: a lot of middling and losing here and there. But
Speaker 3: I'm never the never the bride, always the bride'smaid or
Speaker 3: whatever is saying to tease me on my teams. But
Speaker 3: at least you know, I'm a loyal son of a gun.
Speaker 2: Indeed, you are a team player to the end. So
Speaker 2: that the next couple of nights, how many more nights
Speaker 2: do you have out there?
Speaker 4: Possibly I might might head back. I might head back
Speaker 4: Wednesday's probably maybe three or four, maybe four a Wednesday morning. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm looking and planning on head not Wednesday morning. So
Speaker 4: four nights, four nights.
Speaker 2: And you'll be home that night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, be on that night. It's about six and a
Speaker 3: half getting back home. So I last night, I before night,
Speaker 3: before two thousand and four, I'd never taken the one
Speaker 3: on one pet north past San Francisco, and then since
Speaker 3: then it's like sixty seventy times.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, very good, Ben, Yeah, so I might
Speaker 2: be down there, go visit with a Mike Rugg for
Speaker 2: a weekend before he closes up shop there and see
Speaker 2: if we can work something out with the museum situation.
Speaker 2: I'll keep everybody posted on that as things come.
Speaker 3: Up, let me know we I'll run up and meet you.
Speaker 3: It's only right there, so.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, I have a handful of
Speaker 2: friends in that area, and I'm certain I would reach
Speaker 2: out to at least several of them, and you're one
Speaker 2: of them for sure. So hopefully i'll see in a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks here.
Speaker 3: Yeah'd be great.
Speaker 2: Well, other than that, what'll be closed down shop here?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been kind of a fun hangout. Not
Speaker 2: a ton of bigfoot stuffwere it was spoken about. But
Speaker 2: you know what, the thing about bigfooting is that has
Speaker 2: a way of taking over your life and every single
Speaker 2: thing you do is bigfoot. So for me personally, it's
Speaker 2: kind of nice to just hang out with a couple
Speaker 2: of friends and shoot the poop for a little while
Speaker 2: and talk about a couple other things besides big. But
Speaker 2: even though when I am with Bart or Bobo or Matt,
Speaker 2: certainly the Sasquatch thing always always comes up. It's just
Speaker 2: such a big part of all of our lives. So
Speaker 2: thanks Bart for coming on and hanging out, and thanks
Speaker 2: Bobes for coming on and hanging out your own podcast.
Speaker 7: I don't want to be glad to know that Notre
Speaker 7: is making a goal line stand right now against the USC.
Speaker 7: It's thirty five twenty one, so we're looking pretty good.
Speaker 3: They're gonna win the game. Why don't you let me
Speaker 3: cover at least cover the points.
Speaker 2: Let's do this. This will be fun because we're recording
Speaker 2: right now, obviously, so by the time this airs, everybody
Speaker 2: will know how these games turned out. I want, but
Speaker 2: y'all want you both to make predictions on the biggest
Speaker 2: games today.
Speaker 6: Notre Dame wins. So he just story right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah for this guy? All right, we go well and
Speaker 3: got a couple of games. I'm going on a right,
Speaker 3: we're talking points spread? Are we talking just the game?
Speaker 2: I know that you're talking to Cliff, Like, I know
Speaker 2: what a point spread is? Gues who's gonna win?
Speaker 3: Who's gonna win?
Speaker 6: I like Uh.
Speaker 3: I like Iowa Steam too.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know they had a team. Who what else.
Speaker 6: I got matters of losing tomorrow pretty uty handle League.
Speaker 3: UNLV by eighteen. They've got to win by eighteen or
Speaker 3: more UNLV.
Speaker 2: All right, and Bobby, you're you're betting against your own team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because that way I win either way. If if
Speaker 6: I lose the bet, we won the game. So I'm happy.
Speaker 6: If they lose and I want money that I takes
Speaker 6: the sting out.
Speaker 3: That's what I did, Thanks for Dolphins, and I won.
Speaker 3: They get their ask kit.
Speaker 5: I knew it, and I think we're gonna lose anyways,
Speaker 5: maybe I'll have to put in a If you or
Speaker 5: someone you know has a gambling addiction, please click the
Speaker 5: link in the donuts.
Speaker 3: Oh, I totally do. It's just been under control for
Speaker 3: forty years, dude.
Speaker 6: Part will have will have literally like how many bets
Speaker 6: you ever now, like over one hundred?
Speaker 3: No no, no, not like that. But see I look
Speaker 3: at it, it's gonna ta I look at it very differently.
Speaker 3: For me. It's not about the money. Like to me,
Speaker 3: it's I set aside at you uncle money at the
Speaker 3: beginning of the year. If I lose it, I'm done
Speaker 3: for the year. If not, that's my play money. So
Speaker 3: it's already gone. And I bet big. But I mean
Speaker 3: that's for me. It's not about the money. It's it's
Speaker 3: the I don't lie to myself. It's the escape. It's decompressing,
Speaker 3: it's a different kind of fun stress.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: And these are words from my financial advisor. Thank you for.
Speaker 6: Suck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to advise that, Cliff.
Speaker 2: All right, Bobs, get us out of here, man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, folks. Well, thanks for the great bark,
Speaker 6: Contina for joining us, and yeah and that thanks.
Speaker 7: For joining us also and clip as always. All right, folks,
Speaker 7: thanks for tuning in, and until next week, y'all keep
Speaker 7: it squatchy.
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