1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpetelendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free, write to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,679 smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,560 your support. I want to thank Matt Harris from our 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,359 sister station, Mixed one oh seven nine. He sent me 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,719 a piece that was over at Substack by an English writer. 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,439 Like she's English, not that she I mean, yes, she 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,799 writes in English too, but she is from England, okay, 14 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:55,719 and her name is Freya India. And she wrote a 15 00:00:55,759 --> 00:01:00,240 piece and I'll give you the headline here, and I'm curious, 16 00:01:02,359 --> 00:01:05,879 think about what the headline is first, and then I'm 17 00:01:05,879 --> 00:01:10,560 gonna explain her rationale behind it and see if you agree. 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,799 So here's the headline. Nobody has a personality anymore except 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Pete Calener. No, I'm kidding. I added that last part. 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,560 Nobody has a personality anymore. Okay. I think it's a 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,280 little sweeping. It's a bit of a generalization, okay, but 22 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,159 the truth is general. But what she's talking about is 23 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:37,439 the over therapization if that's a word. If it's not, 24 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,519 I just made it, okay, trademark, that's mine. The over 25 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:50,640 therapization of predominantly Western society, predominantly among younger people. And 26 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:53,239 here's her explanation. It's a very lengthy piece. I'm gonna 27 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:57,319 give you the highlights of it here. Therapy speak is 28 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:03,439 what she calls it. Therapy speak has taken over our language. 29 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,959 And when I read that, well, let me give you 30 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:09,840 the next two sentences. She says, it is ruining how 31 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:15,400 we talk about romance and relationships, narrowing how we think 32 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:19,599 about hurt and suffering, and now we are losing the 33 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,199 words for who we are. Nobody has a personality anymore. 34 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:32,759 I blame the Bachelor series, Okay, against my will I have. 35 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,639 That's not even true. But I have seen many episodes, 36 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:40,680 too many I would. I'm embarrassed to say how many 37 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:42,400 it would be. I have not counted them, but it's 38 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:44,120 too many. I can say that, but I'm not going 39 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:49,840 to stop, mainly because my wife watches them, and so 40 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,759 it's the end of the night, I've finished whatever I'm 41 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,479 working on the show prep or whatever I'm doing, and 42 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,639 then it's like, okay, I'll sit down and watch some 43 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:01,360 TV with her, And oh my gosh, why do we 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,800 have to watch this? I say, But deep down I 45 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,879 know it's junk food, and because I don't eat junk 46 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,120 food anymore, this is my guilty pleasure. And now she's 47 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:14,080 watching because there was there's like all of these different 48 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,360 permutations of the show. Right, They've got the Golden Bachelor. 49 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:21,879 Now that's the one that she's got on and and 50 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,560 so I see, you know, I see these episodes, and 51 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:27,759 I don't, like, I vaguely remember some of some of 52 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:30,879 the people, because it's like a whole world of Bachelor 53 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,080 Bachelorette people that are on the shows and then they 54 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:36,199 get voted off or they get they don't get their roses, 55 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:39,080 and then they go they do their podcasts and like 56 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,000 they're all in group chats and they do you know, 57 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,960 celebrity events or I guess Reality stars events or or 58 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:48,360 or Bachelor event. I don't know. So they obviously have 59 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,719 outside of the show interactions and once you're in what 60 00:03:54,759 --> 00:03:57,080 do they call it Bachelor Nation or something like that, 61 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,360 And so I say all of that. There are all 62 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,319 these different permutations of the show I have seen, whether 63 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,080 it's the Bachelor, the Bachelorette, the Golden Bachelor, the Golden Bachelorette, 64 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,639 those are the old people. Then you've got Bachelor's or yeah, 65 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,840 Bachelor in Paradise where they take like a bunch of 66 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,920 the old contestants that didn't get picked and they put 67 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:22,920 them on a beach for like two weeks and then 68 00:04:22,959 --> 00:04:25,759 they like swap people out, swap them in, and there's 69 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:28,839 all these machinations going on. Anyway, I'm too far down 70 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:30,560 this rabbit hole. My only point in all of that, 71 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,199 I felt like I had to justify my watching it. 72 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:34,319 But the only reason I bring all of that up 73 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:41,399 is because I noticed a while back. But it's getting worse. 74 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:46,839 They all say the same things. There's a language that 75 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:53,680 they're speaking as citizens of Bachelor Nation. They use the 76 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,639 same types of words all the time. Thank you for 77 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,759 sharing that. Oh that must be very difficult. Oh I'm 78 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,879 sorry you experience that trauma. I want to be you know, 79 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:08,079 have open communication. Right, They're they're they're using this these 80 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:15,839 therapy words constantly, and it would drive me nuts if 81 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,759 I was talking to somebody like that, if I'm going 82 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,040 out on a day with somebody and first off, Christy 83 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:22,360 would kill me, but secondly like I wouldn't even know 84 00:05:22,399 --> 00:05:26,519 what you're saying to me. Back to this piece by 85 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:32,120 Freya India, she says, in a therapeutic culture, every personality 86 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,160 trait becomes a problem to be solved. Anything too human, 87 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:41,519 every habit, every eccentricity, every feeling too strong. It has 88 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,639 to be labeled and explained. And this inevitability, this inevitably 89 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,199 expands over time, encompassing more and more of us, until 90 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,680 nobody is normal. Some say young people are making their 91 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,720 disorders their whole personality. No, it's worse than that. Now 92 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,240 they are being taught that their normal personality is the disorder. 93 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,439 According to a twenty twenty four survey, seventy two percent 94 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:17,000 of gen Z girls said that quote, mental health challenges 95 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:25,560 are an important part of my identity. Yikes, mental health 96 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:31,959 challenges are an important part of your identity? Do you 97 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,480 even know who you are? Twenty seven percent of boomer 98 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:41,240 men said the same thing. She says, this is part 99 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,600 of a deeper instinct in modern life. I think to 100 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:50,639 explain everything, or try to explain everything, psychologically, scientifically, evolutionarily, 101 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,639 everything about us is caused, categorized, and can be corrected. 102 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:03,800 We talk in theories, frameworks, system structures, drives, motivations, mechanisms, 103 00:07:04,199 --> 00:07:09,160 but in exchange for explanation, we have lost mystery, romance 104 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:15,199 and lately ourselves. I'm reminded there was a poem I 105 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:18,879 read a long time ago. I don't remember what it said. 106 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:20,879 I don't remember the title of it, but it was 107 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:26,199 something on the order of like, curse you science, something 108 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,800 like that, I hate you science, science, you stink whatever. 109 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:32,160 It was an older poem, so they obviously didn't use 110 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,600 this language, but the theme of the poem was that, 111 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,199 you know, science has come along and robbed us of 112 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:45,240 all of these fantasies, these these stories that you know, 113 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:49,040 the ancients had created to explain the world around them, 114 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:54,639 and some of those, you know, taught us things about 115 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,639 the human condition, the stories about you know, the stars 116 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,120 in the sky and what are and oh there's you know, 117 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,600 here's the you know, the different signs up in the 118 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,759 sky that you know, Oh there's the Taurus and the 119 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:09,800 you know, here's the hunter and that means this the 120 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:14,480 zodiac signs, all that stuff, and science by explaining things, 121 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:18,920 it robs the beauty and the mystery and the fantasy. 122 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:24,279 And I think that's what she's saying here. She says, 123 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:27,800 we've lost the sentimental ways we used to use to 124 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:31,519 describe people. Now you are always late to things because 125 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:36,279 you're not lovably forgetful. Okay, to be fair, anybody who's 126 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,440 late to stuff all the time is not lovable in 127 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:41,159 any way. I would just say, no, I'm kidding. I know. Look, 128 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,399 I have a philosophy on this. There are only two 129 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,559 kinds of people in life, those who are chronically late 130 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,960 and those who are chronically early and the people and no, 131 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,679 you're never on time. You're always early. If you're on time, 132 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,320 that means you're early. Okay, you're in the early camp. 133 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,399 And the early camp people, which I am in. We 134 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,879 are usually pretty hacked off at the late camp people, 135 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:01,080 which is why you have to tell them to be 136 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,840 someplace a half hour before the actual reservation. Right. Anyway, 137 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,080 she's saying, it's not that you're lovably forgetful. It's not 138 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:15,159 because you're scatterbrained and interesting and secretly loved for never 139 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:18,879 arriving on time. Again, that can't happen. But no, no, 140 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:22,600 it's because you have ADHD. You are shy and you 141 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:24,480 stare at your feet when people talk to you. Not 142 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:27,080 because you are your mother's child, Not because you're gentle 143 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,039 and sweet and blushed the same way she did. No, no, now, 144 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,360 it's autism. You're the way you are, not because you 145 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,720 have a soul, but because of your symptoms and diagnoses. 146 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,000 You are not an amalgam of your ancestors or curious 147 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,399 constellation of traits, but the clinical result of a timeline 148 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,919 of childhood events. Every heartfelt, annoying, interesting, piece of you 149 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:55,759 is categorized. The fond ways your family describe you, they 150 00:09:55,799 --> 00:10:00,000 get medicalized. The pieces of us, once written into wedding vals, 151 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,240 read out in eulogies, remembered with a smile, now live 152 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:08,440 on doctor's notes and mental health assessments and betterhelp applications. 153 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,120 We are not people anymore. We have been products for 154 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,519 a long time, and these are our labels. 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The piece that I'm reading from is written 175 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:32,559 by Freya India and that's spelled Frya or maybe it's Freya. 176 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:36,840 I don't know. India is spelled in the traditional way. 177 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:40,639 She's a writer from England and the title of the 178 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:48,639 piece is called Nobody Has a Personality Anymore and she's 179 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,120 talking about the therapy speak that we now are incorporating 180 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:57,279 more and more into our daily language, and it is 181 00:11:57,399 --> 00:12:01,120 warping the way we see each other and think about ourselves. 182 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,120 And let me read a couple of texts from the 183 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:13,080 WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC. It's easy 184 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,240 to use mental health issues as a crutch for bad behavior, 185 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,840 but bad behavior is still bad behavior. That's from Bob 186 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,000 Gwynn says, sounds like a great article. What was the 187 00:12:25,039 --> 00:12:27,200 author in title and source? Which I just gave you? 188 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,320 So there you go. You're welcome stance, as if you've 189 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,960 been taught that all you are is a massive cells 190 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:37,519 in essence, another brick in the wall. It's easy to 191 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:40,120 see your normal self as the problem, but if you 192 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:43,799 believe you're something wonderfully designed by God individually for a 193 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,960 specific person, you'll see your normal self as beautiful and 194 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,759 no one can convince you otherwise. I like it, Stan, 195 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,360 she writes. We can't talk about character either, like there 196 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,480 are no generous people anymore. People pleasers? Right, Oh, they're 197 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:14,519 a people pleaser, anxiously attached, codependent, traumatized, insecure, overachievers, neurotically ambitious. 198 00:13:15,039 --> 00:13:19,279 She goes on and on like undiagnosed, adhd emotionally stunted, 199 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,000 all of these different phrases. Right, there are no feelings 200 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:26,919 at all anymore, only dysregulated nervous systems. Every human experience 201 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,279 we have as evidence of something, and the purpose of 202 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,440 our lives is to piece it all perfectly together. Like 203 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,559 if I could just if I could just identify and 204 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,759 therapize myself, I can correct this thing. I could be 205 00:13:40,799 --> 00:13:44,600 a different person, I can be perfect. Right, this search 206 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,639 for perfection through the diagnoses of the things that make 207 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,399 us unique. It's just personality. Which, by the way, she 208 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,600 doesn't write about any of this in the piece, but 209 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,840 there is if I'm going to do like a Kamala 210 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,080 Harris inspired ven diagram here, there is some overlap with 211 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,679 the transgender issue, right that when you have a kid, 212 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:09,279 a little girl who wants to wear jeans and clime trees, 213 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,679 we used to just call, oh, she's a tomboy, not 214 00:14:12,759 --> 00:14:15,399 that she's not a girl, right, but now we've got 215 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:21,559 to medicalize that, We got to therapize that. She says, 216 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,279 I asked my grandparents. Later in this piece, she says, 217 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,360 I asked my grandparents, who have been married for six decades, 218 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,440 why they chose each other and I got a clumsy answer. 219 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:39,039 She says, they never really thought about it. They disliked 220 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:44,799 each other. She says, maybe I'm too nostalgic about the past, 221 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:47,919 but there's something there that has been lost that in 222 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,559 that moment, I struggled to relate to a simpler way 223 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,240 of living and an arrogance to us now seeing people 224 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:59,159 in the past is somehow incomplete and unsolved when we 225 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:04,559 are this anxious and confused as we are now. I 226 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,000 think this is why my generation gets stuck on things 227 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:10,960 like relationships and parenthood. The commitments that we stumble over, 228 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,120 the decisions that we endlessly debate, the traditions we find 229 00:15:14,159 --> 00:15:16,120 hard to hold on to, and often the ones we 230 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:22,039 can't easily explain. We're trying to explain the inexplicable. It's 231 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,159 hard to defend romantic love against staying single because it 232 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,399 isn't safe or controllable or particularly rational. Same with having children. 233 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,879 Put these things into a pro con list and they 234 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:39,440 stop making logical sense. They cannot be calculated or codified. 235 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:44,879 Ask older generations why'd you start a family? And often 236 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,039 they didn't even really think it through. Ask older generations, 237 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,080 you know why they picked their mate, like, oh, I 238 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:54,799 just I fell in love with her, And maybe that 239 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:56,879 isn't as crazy as we've been led to believe. Maybe 240 00:15:56,919 --> 00:15:59,919 that isn't so reckless. Maybe there is something human to them. 241 00:16:01,879 --> 00:16:03,480 She goes on to say later in the piece that 242 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:07,960 the world is becoming more complicated. We want control and certainty. 243 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,919 We take comfort in finding out the cause of something, 244 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,159 of all things. And yeah, there are people that are 245 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,600 helped by diagnoses, no doubt about it. They can't function 246 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,840 and find relief in being understood. But she suspects it's 247 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:31,240 fewer than we think that. Actually, not everybody really needs 248 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:37,320 to go through this deep dive therapization. Many more, she said, 249 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,440 have been convinced that the point of life is to 250 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:44,559 classify and explain everything. And here's the deal. It's making 251 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:52,240 everyone miserable. It's making everyone miserable, and I suspect it's 252 00:16:52,279 --> 00:17:01,960 because it's directing your gaze inward. You're microanalyzing yourself. This 253 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,880 is narcissists by the lake looking at his own reflection 254 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:10,440 in the water, falling in love with himself. Right, it's 255 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:15,839 this self centered, this turning inward and focusing every single 256 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:22,079 thing on yourself, She said, I find it strange that 257 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,880 we think this is freeing, this brutal knowing, this search 258 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,759 for the meaning of everything and the explanation for everything, 259 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,960 that this self surveillance is the liberated way to live, 260 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,160 that we are somehow less repressed being boxed in by 261 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:44,079 medical labels. I would add to this that once you 262 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,559 define what it is that you think is wrong with you, 263 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,640 right in using these bachelorette kind of words from the 264 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,039 show Bachelor Bachelorette Bachelor Nation words, when you start overanalyzing 265 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:58,839 and therapizing all of this stuff, that once you define 266 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:05,039 these things, then like you have to overcome it, because 267 00:18:05,079 --> 00:18:08,720 this is what's wrong with you, right Oh, this trauma, 268 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,839 this is what happened to me. And then of course 269 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:15,440 you got the victimization mentality, the tendency for interpersonal victimhood, 270 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:18,119 and then you try to you're going to have to 271 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,839 overcome it or you're going to be it forever. And 272 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:25,279 that means there's never an opportunity for you to reinvent yourself. 273 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,880 And this ties into the tech component of it as well. 274 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,920 I grew up Long Island, New York, I moved eight 275 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:37,160 hundred miles away, and I got to reinvent myself and 276 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,799 it just so happened that there was very little that 277 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:45,240 I needed to No, I'm kidding, no, but I got 278 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,200 to grow. I got to be a different person. I 279 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,200 wasn't around anybody that knew anything about me, right, That's 280 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,359 how I was able to con so many wealthy people 281 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,839 out of their money. They thought I was a prince, 282 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,559 but I wasn't. But this is now lost because you 283 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:04,200 don't get to move someplace else and escape your digital 284 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,839 footprint right your Instagram photos, your Facebook reels, and your 285 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:17,240 tweets and stuff. There's no reinvention. To me. I think 286 00:19:17,599 --> 00:19:21,880 that's sad because you have to be able to reinvent yourself. 287 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,960 And now that's a lot harder. It's a lot harder. 288 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:31,240 She says. This is the cause of so much misery. 289 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,799 We taught a generation that the meaning of life is 290 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:38,839 not found outside in the world, but inside their own heads. 291 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,799 Because here's the thing. We can't ever explain everything. It's 292 00:19:43,799 --> 00:19:47,799 an impossibility. At some point, we have to stop analyzing 293 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:54,200 and seeing through things and accept the unknowable. All we 294 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:58,079 can ever really achieve is faith some humor at ourselves. 295 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:01,920 Too be able to laugh at your it's impossible to 296 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,279 heal from being human and this is why the mental 297 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:08,079 health industry has infinite demand. Explain anything long enough and 298 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,359 you will find a pathology. Dig deep enough and you 299 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,920 will disappear. We keep being told that the bravest thing 300 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,720 now is to do the work. But I think it 301 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:22,240 takes courage not to explain everything, to release control, to 302 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,440 resist that impulse to turn inwards, and the wisdom too 303 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:30,759 to accept that we will never understand ourselves through anything 304 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:34,000 other than how we act, how we live, and how 305 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:36,720 we treat other people. And I think she's exactly right. 306 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,839 I think she is exactly right on that you will 307 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,240 understand yourself and how you behave, how you live your life, 308 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:51,759 and how you treat other people. We're thinking about ourselves enough, 309 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,000 I would say too much. All right, If you're listening 310 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:57,599 to this show, you know I try to keep up 311 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,440 with all sorts of current events, and I know you 312 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,960 do too, And you've probably heard me say get your 313 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,839 news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you 314 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,880 detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed 315 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,680 with ground News. It's an app and it's a website, 316 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,440 and it combines news from around the world in one place, 317 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,759 so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can 318 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,559 check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash Pete. 319 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:26,240 I put the link in the podcast description too. I 320 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:28,839 started using ground News a few months ago and more 321 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,480 recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because 322 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,759 it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and 323 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,000 by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories 324 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:40,559 get ignored by the left and the right. See for 325 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:45,759 yourself check dot ground, dot news slash Pete. Subscribe through 326 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:48,440 that link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. 327 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:51,519 I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to 328 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,039 every feature. Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, 329 00:21:55,079 --> 00:21:57,440 but it also supports ground News as they make the 330 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,599 media landscape more transparent. Let me get to some messages here, 331 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:05,680 Melissa writes in It's a Pete tweet. She says, I 332 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,119 believe society took aim at boys decades ago in the 333 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,160 framework of the fraya in Freya India article you're reading. 334 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:17,640 Christina Hoff Summers addressed this with her book The War 335 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:20,799 Against Boys back in two thousand. I remember that book. 336 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,960 Rather than letting boys be boys, they were to be 337 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:28,079 labeled as hyperactive and tamed with medication. It's a valuable 338 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,319 tool for the mothers of boys who just want to 339 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:38,440 raise good men. And Carolina Bulldog tweets home run Pete, 340 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:44,880 who was that again? I must have it headline nobody 341 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,400 has a personality Anymore? Written by Freya India fr e 342 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:56,920 y a Freya or Freya India and it's over on substack. 343 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,039 But I'm sure if you type in the Google machine 344 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:03,119 nobody has a person Anymore, it'll probably pop up. I 345 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,039 post all of the show links over at thepetpod dot 346 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:09,279 com and they're free, so you can go and see them, 347 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,359 and I'll have it linked up there after the show, 348 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,519 as I always do, although I do have to go 349 00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:15,640 to the store on the way home, so it'll probably 350 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,720 be like four o'clock or so. But anyway, I always 351 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:21,240 post my show prep over there, but I do it 352 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:24,240 after the programs. This way, you can't read ahead, okay, 353 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:26,559 I don't want you reading everything ahead, and then you're like, 354 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:28,400 I have to listen to Pete now because I already 355 00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:32,400 read all of his links. Also, I have a whole 356 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,079 stack of stuff that I never get to, so I 357 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,319 don't post it up there, and then people are like, oh, 358 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:40,759 Pete didn't get to twenty articles today, so all right, 359 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:49,759 let me finish the piece here, she says. She concludes 360 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:54,000 the piece by saying, be brave enough to be normal. 361 00:23:54,839 --> 00:24:00,640 Leave yourself unsolved. Who knows? It's a mystery written in 362 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,200 the stars from somewhere unknown. Holding onto your personality is 363 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,759 a declaration that you are human. You're a person, not 364 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:18,200 a product. No other explanation is needed from the text line. 365 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,440 This is a fantastic article to share, Pete. Thank you. 366 00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:26,680 I wish more would share articles like that. Well, I 367 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,000 got it from Matt Harris. Credit where it's due. He 368 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:33,160 works down the hall at our sister station, and he 369 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,720 sent me this link the other day saying, hey, I 370 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,720 thought you might be interested in this content, and I am. 371 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,880 I was. He knows me so well. I've known him 372 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,440 for twenty five years, so he knows me very well. 373 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,160 That was from Deborah Kim, says Pete. So many comments. 374 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,559 I am going to go find her article. Oh my 375 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,960 aching elbow. She is spot on. Thank you for sharing this. 376 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,000 I don't know what the elbow, I guess from typing, 377 00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:10,119 John says Pete. Outstanding segment. I was a psychology major 378 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:14,880 at University of Maryland back in the early nineties. What 379 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,200 I am seeing today in the mental health field, and 380 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,839 what my teenage children are going through, and what I 381 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:25,880 see our society going through is an incredible misalignment. Your segment, 382 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,119 I would say this article nailed it on the head. 383 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,160 Thank you for spreading the word. Well, I'm happy to 384 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,759 do with John. Is it true that everybody who goes 385 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:40,759 into the psychology major coursework? Is it true that they're 386 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,000 all crazy? They're trying to fix themselves? First, That's what 387 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:52,599 I heard. Sorry, suffering from mental health issues, not crazy. 388 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,000 Can't use that word anymore. That's what I just remember 389 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,440 hearing that at some point from buddy of mine, who 390 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,880 is a psych maic. That's what he said. So, if 391 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,559 you know, blame blame the psych majors, because that's what 392 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:11,480 he told me. Hashtag not all psych majors obviously. Look, 393 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,000 I've always been sort of fascinated in this, in this stuff. 394 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,440 You know, why do people? Because this is why I 395 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:23,000 ended up being drawn more to the philosophy coursework. In college. 396 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,839 I had a so I've said this before, I've I 397 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,680 had a major in mass communication broadcast and hopefully like 398 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,240 that shows, but the minor that I had was in 399 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:40,039 political science but I had also taken enough coursework for 400 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:46,400 a minor in philosophy, but my university did not grant 401 00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:51,000 double minors, and I am still bitter. Okay, That's why 402 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:57,000 I keep mentioning it, you know, thirty years later, is 403 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,240 because I had enough for the philosophy minor. I was 404 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,480 always drawn to the question of why you hear it? 405 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,519 When I do interviews with people, I always I try 406 00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:10,240 to figure out the why. And that's why like psychology 407 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,240 as it stands over sort of on this other plane, 408 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:21,359 if you will, from philosophy, where philosophy examines, you know, 409 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,440 theories and it looks, you know, asks the question of why, 410 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:28,799 what does it mean? And that sort of stuff, But 411 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,680 the psychology says, you know, why did you think that way? Well, 412 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:38,799 let's find the answer, right, and here's the answer, and 413 00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:42,319 you construct a vocabulary around that and then you can 414 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,880 pinpoint the thing. This is why you're thinking the way 415 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,480 you're thinking. This is why you behaved badly, this is 416 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:53,519 the why. Like they're seeking the explanation for the why. 417 00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:57,960 But it's all turned inward, right, Whereas I think philosophy 418 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,200 is more outward looking, and I think that's why I'm 419 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:05,039 kind of interested in some of these psychology related topics, 420 00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:10,559 but they didn't capture my attention like philosophy did because 421 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:14,480 I look more outward. Does that make sense? I feel 422 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,119 like I'm a little I feel like I'm looking too 423 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,960 much inward right now? I do? I feel like I'm 424 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,680 talking too much about myself. That's the middle child syndrome 425 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:25,240 for you. What can I say? Oh my gosh, I 426 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:27,799 just therapized myself. There you go. See that. See how 427 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,680 difficult it is to break out of this? Ah John replied, 428 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,000 It is true that people get into the psych majors 429 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,759 because they're crazy and they want to try to fix 430 00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:44,279 themselves first. It is true. All right, So now I've 431 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:47,480 gotten this from multiple sources, so now it's true. Okay, 432 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:51,039 that's why he says. I'm in technology in the banking industry. 433 00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:55,759 Now that's fair. Here's a great idea. How about making 434 00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:58,839 an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in 435 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,599 western North Carolina? Just a quick drive up the mountain 436 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,039 and cabins of Ashville is your connection. 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Brett Winterbow from 456 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,160 three to six here on WBT weekdays. As always, he 457 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,039 joins us on Friday for the final segment of the program, 458 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,759 for a little segment we call pregaming. 459 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: Welcome Brett, it's great to be here. 460 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,279 Speaker 1: We usually also follow it up. I appear on his 461 00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:27,400 show for the first segment on Fridays for a little 462 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,880 segment he likes to call the hangover. Yes sir, but today, 463 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,519 yes sir, there will be no hangover. I will not 464 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,079 be hanging over. So today we're just pregaming with no hangover. 465 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: And it's my fault. 466 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,839 Speaker 1: But that's okay, pregaming with no hangover. Like, isn't that 467 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,200 the dream? It is the dream. 468 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,599 Speaker 2: So but you know what, can I just say one thing. 469 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,599 Speaker 3: I'll make a deal with you next next Friday, I'll 470 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,279 do two segments with you to make it up. 471 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: Well, no, I would have to do two segments with you, 472 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:57,279 because every time I'm not on your show or you're 473 00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:00,839 not on mine for pregame or the hangover. We there 474 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,960 are problems. Staticky they're no, not staticky. We got that 475 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,759 all over the place today. No, we get we get abused. 476 00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:12,279 I mentioned this last week, which was it was our 477 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:16,039 return after a brief hiatus, because we had the temerity 478 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:19,359 to go on vacation we did, and then you did 479 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,119 some station event out on the scene someplace. So anyway, 480 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:25,279 we went like three or four straight weeks with no pregame, 481 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,279 no no hangover, and so like it was sort of 482 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,799 like a it was like a dry July, right, So 483 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:39,440 so anyway, but yeah, we started getting abused by your 484 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,960 friend John, John John John Stewart. Yes, he was very 485 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:50,279 angry at the lack of like he was writing tersely 486 00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:55,799 worded attorney like letters or okay texts on the text 487 00:31:55,839 --> 00:32:00,359 line driven by liberty buick GMC that that like, how 488 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,960 dare you rob us of these segments? We demand more 489 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,759 segments now in compensation, like very legallyes kind of stuff. 490 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:09,759 Speaker 3: You know what we're gonna do from now one. 491 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: So I just want to point out for John if 492 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,279 he's listening, and he probably is always, John, you created 493 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:22,559 this monster because you're the one that introduced Brett to 494 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,359 Michael Wattley, and Michael Wattley is going to be on 495 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,039 with Brett, yes at three o'clock thereby bumping me. So 496 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,640 you don't get a hangover today, John, because of your 497 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,880 own actions. Wow, there you go. 498 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: That's my ru I feel bad, I feel badly Is 499 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,200 it bad? 500 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:48,759 Speaker 1: Or badly. I think it's badly. So I got a 501 00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:50,599 question for you. Yes, have you heard this story that 502 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:54,119 more singles are getting romantic with AI bots in DC 503 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,519 than in most big cities. It's according to match data. 504 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,079 Not surprised robot Bay's you know Bay? You like that term? Bay? 505 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,720 I hate it? Just another example of how Washington's loneliness 506 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:09,559 crisis is playing out. 507 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: Why not just go to the park? 508 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:17,799 Speaker 1: Which one? Any of them? Not Rock Creek. The nationwide 509 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,720 Singles in America study surveyed over five thousand people ages 510 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:27,519 eighteen to ninety eight. Single DC men and gen zers 511 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,400 were more likely to have flirted with a bot. 512 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:34,079 Speaker 2: No, come on, that's the end of That's the end 513 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:34,559 of it all. 514 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:36,119 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. 515 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: So bad. 516 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,039 Speaker 1: It is bad, no doubt about it. But I did 517 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,079 have a thought, because you know me, I try to 518 00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,759 find yes, I try to find the positive in things. 519 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,319 This is what people always say about me. You're a 520 00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:50,400 giver that too, So I thought, Okay, is there another 521 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,400 explanation for why this would be the case other than 522 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,759 the obvious that you just articulated? And I immediately felt 523 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,559 the same when I read it too. However, there's another 524 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,839 potential what if they're practicing. 525 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: No, you don't know that. 526 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: Maybe they are practicing. 527 00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 2: Maybe they're like like a putting will. 528 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,599 Speaker 1: This yes, like maybe this is maybe these pickup lines 529 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,679 will work. I don't even know. Do the kids use them? 530 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 2: They don't. They don't even use the just they don't 531 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,159 even they put no effort in. 532 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, they don't even do that. 533 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 2: They stare. 534 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: It's the whole stare, the gen Z stare, right, Yeah, 535 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,079 because we asked about you, asked Isaac, who is the 536 00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:36,920 the official representative of the gen Z generation on staff, 537 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,719 and uh, and he said, it doesn't mean anything, right, 538 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,880 They just it's like a short circuit. It does, it 539 00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:42,719 just stops. 540 00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,159 Speaker 2: It Isn't that all? It's just so sad. 541 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just terrible. What have we done to them? 542 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 3: We didn't do anything. We were not enough involved with them. 543 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,079 We should have forced. 544 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,119 Speaker 1: That's a classic gen X response. Man, And I'm gen X. 545 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,159 I can say this, of course, but like there's a 546 00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,239 lot of gen z s like they were raised by 547 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,679 their parents or exers, but they're not. 548 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: They're not. 549 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:05,159 Speaker 3: That group of gen xers are not as cool as 550 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,000 the current the prior crop of gen X. 551 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,039 Speaker 1: Now you're bifurcating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because like once you 552 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:15,559 hit like nineteen eighty, that still counts born in eighties. 553 00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 2: Seventy nine eighty. Like, that's a different, that's a different. 554 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: I call those tweeners tweakers. Tweeners. Oh, tweeners rhymes with 555 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,519 Anthony Weener, right, tweener. So you're it's like you're he 556 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,840 was dating those You're like, right, you're on the cusp. 557 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,760 You can also call them cuspers if you if you prefer, 558 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,039 that is so great, right. So it's like people who 559 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,760 are there like right at the edge of either like 560 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,960 where the generations, you know, blend together. Because it's not 561 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,639 a hard line. It's not like January one. Okay, now 562 00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:47,559 everybody's different. 563 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: Okay, but hold on a second. The dating, the robot 564 00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:52,000 thing or whatever. 565 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: That is, it's just flirting. They say, once upon a time, 566 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,440 flirted with a bot once upon a time. 567 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 3: And I knew nobody in my circle that did this. 568 00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:07,000 People would get on those phone call numbers and would 569 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,079 uh oh yeah, have really body conversations. 570 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,199 Speaker 1: Were they the nine nine nine numbers or whatever those things? 571 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 3: I don't I don't even know because I was so 572 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,320 I was so popular and hanging out with people. 573 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,039 Speaker 2: I didn't need to even know what the number was. 574 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:20,679 Speaker 1: You never saw any of those I remember seeing like 575 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,800 the business card for one of them on a sidewalk city. 576 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 3: I just knew that they existed. 577 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,599 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they were like nine nine nine that 578 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,000 it was whatever it was. 579 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know, you got to put 580 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,159 the work in. 581 00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: But maybe they maybe people called those lines to learn 582 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,159 how to talk dirty. Really, you know what? 583 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: Okay, how about if I how about if I if 584 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,480 I cut the baby in half? 585 00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:45,039 Speaker 1: Can I do that? 586 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,119 Speaker 2: Okay, here we go, votainer. 587 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,119 Speaker 1: It's on the wall. The rule must use votaining. 588 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:51,599 Speaker 2: Votainer. 589 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 1: Votainer. 590 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,679 Speaker 3: Those kids could be using that artificial device as a 591 00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:58,679 date tainer. 592 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:03,039 Speaker 1: I like it. If that gets hold before votainer does, though, 593 00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:07,039 I'm going to be angry. All right. That'll do it 594 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:09,679 for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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