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<v Speaker 1>This is later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>more what You Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly has done it again with his partner Martin

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<v Speaker 2>Duggard and the new books in his Killing series, which

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<v Speaker 2>is Killing the Legends The Lethal Danger of Celebrity.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are the three legends you look at in this book?

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<v Speaker 3>So we're worried about Elvis Presley, John Lennon and Muhammad

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<v Speaker 3>Ali Lee. The reason is that these three men changed

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<v Speaker 3>American culture. So Elvis Preslee comes on the scene in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen fifties, poor Mississippi truck driver, unbelievable talent, and

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<v Speaker 3>in the space of six minutes on The Sullivan Show,

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<v Speaker 3>he changes a culture of conformity which we had in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States after World War Two into rock rebellion, boom,

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<v Speaker 3>everything up. One man did it, one man, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>an amazing historical story. Then, of course, the Beatles come

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<v Speaker 3>in in sixty four and they bring in sex, drugs,

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<v Speaker 3>rock and roll, which we have now. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 3>still living in that culture. And Muhammad Ali is the

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<v Speaker 3>culture of descent. He refuses to go into the armed

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<v Speaker 3>forces during the Vietnam War, that raises the protests everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>And so these three guys, they influenced the American culture

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<v Speaker 3>to an extent that I couldn't find any other people

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<v Speaker 3>who did as much as they did to change our culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly, Killing the Legends, The Lethal Danger of Celebrity. Uniquely,

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<v Speaker 2>each of these legends also burned out in a very

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<v Speaker 2>similar way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they were all betrayed. They all couldn't handle their fame.

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<v Speaker 3>They got crushed by it, which is not unusually. Once

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<v Speaker 3>you become a superstar, your whole life changes. People want

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<v Speaker 3>stuff from you, some people threaten you. John Lennon's assassinated,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to be a strong person with a

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<v Speaker 3>strong supports system to cope with that. And these guys

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have that, none of them, and so they found

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<v Speaker 3>themselves drowning, and their celebrity actually killed them.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly, he's talking about Killing the Legends. The book

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<v Speaker 2>is out now, The Lethal Danger of Celebrity. I love

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<v Speaker 2>the Killing series, Bill, because you and Martin Duggart get

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<v Speaker 2>into the details of perspective. You're not guilty of presentism,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what I mean by that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people have been talking about it lately.

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<v Speaker 3>We try to give people if you read all twelve

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<v Speaker 3>Killing books Lee and we have them all bundled on

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<v Speaker 3>Bill O'Reilly dot com for Christmas, which is phenomenal gift

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a reader and you want to know about

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<v Speaker 3>your country. What we try to do we take all

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<v Speaker 3>politics out, all of the nonsense has spin. It just

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<v Speaker 3>here's what happened. So whether it be killing the mob,

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<v Speaker 3>organized crime, killing the killers, terrorists, killing the legends, how

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<v Speaker 3>the culture changes, killing Crazy Horse, the Indian Wars, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe here's what happens, and we do it in an

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<v Speaker 3>entertaining way. So it's not like you're bored and you're

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<v Speaker 3>got or I have to read this now. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>you want to read it. We're keeping you up at night.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why this is the most successful nonfiction book

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<v Speaker 3>series in history. And we're you know, very proud of

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<v Speaker 3>Killing the Legends, and we hope people check it out

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<v Speaker 3>for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly Killing the Legends The Lethal Danger of celebrity.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think these three legends have taught modern

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities about how it is to handle celebrity.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's going on. I mean, the amount of people

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<v Speaker 3>who have just been destroyed by celebrity. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the list is just endless, beginning with Marilyn Monroe and

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<v Speaker 3>then you know, all the way up to Nirvana, the

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<v Speaker 3>guy out in Seattle. I mean, it's just it's so many.

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<v Speaker 3>And you have a situation in America now where you've

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<v Speaker 3>got a lot of crazy people. Look at the Nancy

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<v Speaker 3>Pelosi break into San Francisco. I mean, you've got a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of crazy people. And if you're famous, you really

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<v Speaker 3>have to be aware of everything you do, everywhere you go.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to protect yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly killing the legends the lethal danger of celebrity.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to touch again on the details, right

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<v Speaker 2>down to things that never occurred to people. For instance,

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<v Speaker 2>how Muhammad Ali's body needed such special care after he

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<v Speaker 2>died because of his faith.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean we get into all of those details.

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<v Speaker 3>I think people like those when they're reading a book.

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<v Speaker 3>So Mohammed Ali, he became an adherent to the Nation

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<v Speaker 3>of Islam. That's Lewis Farakahn. Now, so that gives you

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<v Speaker 3>some idea of how militant de group was. I met him,

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<v Speaker 3>and he never came I never got the feeling that

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<v Speaker 3>he hated white people or anything like that. But when

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<v Speaker 3>he gave his whole life over to the Nation of Islam,

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<v Speaker 3>they exploited him, just like Tom Parker exploited Elvis, took

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of his money, but he always you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't rebel. He stayed there till the end. And

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<v Speaker 3>then when he died in Phoenix, Arizona, but he died along.

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<v Speaker 3>He died long before that by being in the ring

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<v Speaker 3>so long, by you know, the black militants wanting him

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<v Speaker 3>to fight because of money. He destroyed his brain, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is the theme. It's it's heartbreaking to really because

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<v Speaker 3>this guy was such an amazing athlete, but that's what

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<v Speaker 3>happened to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you too about the Beatles, sex, drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>and rock and roll culture, because I've often looked back

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<v Speaker 2>on rock and roll history and seen there was a

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<v Speaker 2>drastic change between nineteen fifty four and nineteen fifty nine

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<v Speaker 2>in American music, and another drastic change between nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>nine and nineteen sixty four. But I haven't seen a

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<v Speaker 2>huge drastic change in music since then.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, rap and all of that. I think that I

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<v Speaker 3>don't call that music so much. Maybe I'm, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>out of it. I'm an old guy now, but that

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<v Speaker 3>changed a lot of the culture because it became more

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<v Speaker 3>crass with the wording and the themes of some of

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<v Speaker 3>these songs, particularly speaking to poor minority children. And you

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<v Speaker 3>know that. Look, the Beatles tremendous music. They freaked out

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<v Speaker 3>at the end. They all got involved with drugs. But

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<v Speaker 3>Lenin actually became a heroin and that's what broke up

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<v Speaker 3>the Beatles. Very few people know that we go through

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<v Speaker 3>it and Killing the Legends, but their music was good

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<v Speaker 3>and I didn't think it was harmful, even though they

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<v Speaker 3>were doing Lucy and the Sky with diamonds and all

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<v Speaker 3>that LSD. I thought generally speaking it was okay. But

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<v Speaker 3>now in that music industry there's a lot of garbage.

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<v Speaker 3>It's no doubt about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly along with Martin Duggart, his research partner, writing

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<v Speaker 2>Killing the Legends, The Lethal Danger of Celebrity available everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I don't get a chance to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>happy holidays, Bill.

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<v Speaker 3>O'Reilly, thank you, it's always a pleasure to talk with you.

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<v Speaker 3>We really appreciate you having us in.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews the Lee

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