WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:06.120 You've created everything. What's put a powerful being? 2 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:06.679 You are. 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.480 You did these things, but now you're in a human body. 4 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:13.080 You forget the power you have. 5 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:19.000 What you do is what the whole universe is doing 6 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:23.440 at the place you call here, and now you are 7 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:26.839 something the whole universe is doing. In the same way 8 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.079 that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing. 9 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:41.880 You're doing doing what. Welcome to metamistics, where you don't 10 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.880 know what you don't know. My name is Jonathan, I'm Sean, 11 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:51.399 and today we are in line for a fun, fun show. Now. 12 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:55.640 We have talked in the past about pantheism, right, I 13 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:57.640 believe we did a whole episode on it. We've mentioned 14 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.759 it a lot in passing and kind of vibe with 15 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:05.239 the whole idea that everything is one, everything is divine, 16 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:09.879 everything is God, there is no separation. Right, this is 17 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.159 going to take it a step farther. Today we are 18 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:17.599 talking about panpsychism, and this really ties into the first 19 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:20.280 Hermetic principle that all is mind. 20 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.599 That's right, mind over matter, you know, because if I 21 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:24.920 don't mind, then you don't matter. 22 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.719 Yes, right, yes, yes, And so you know, people for 23 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:32.760 the longest time have said that you know, because there 24 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:38.000 was physicality, that that physical life eventually evolved to have 25 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:43.560 a spirit, a soul, a consciousness, a subconscious. That essentially 26 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:48.239 that the subconscious and the conscious mind came after humanity 27 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.879 and everything else evolved. And it basically to say that, 28 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:57.719 like this, the conscious mind is secondary to the physical body. Now, 29 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.359 most people would agree in my I mean, maybe it's 30 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:03.400 just on our circle. I don't know, but I guess 31 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:05.920 in my life most of the people I know would 32 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:10.400 definitely agree that this is a temporary meat suit. And 33 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:14.039 we know that that there has to be something more. 34 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.280 There has to be, like we have existed outside of 35 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:20.199 our body. Everybody has. That's what dreams are for. That's 36 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:22.919 what psychedelic trips are for. That's what meditations are for. 37 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.319 It's what past life regressions are for. That's what astro 38 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.840 projection is for. It's what remote viewing is for. We 39 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:32.680 can exist outside of the anchor that is this human body, right, 40 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.960 And if that's possible, how is it possible if consciousness 41 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:41.560 comes from physical body first? So you're trying to say 42 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:46.080 that your conscious mind evolved but the physical body didn't. 43 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.120 That doesn't make any sense if we're talking about evolution 44 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.960 throughout the annals of history. Usually if the body would 45 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:54.840 come first, I should be able to fly, if I 46 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.960 can ask to project. If my mind is more feeble 47 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:01.560 than my physical body, then I should be able to 48 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:04.520 spread my wings and fly. And I would have evolved 49 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.719 like that. But no happened the other way. The mind 50 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:11.479 evolved farther than the not even just the mind, just 51 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:15.039 the consciousness in general evolved more than the physical body 52 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:15.479 ever did. 53 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:19.599 Yeah, it's just the idea that that consciousness itself is 54 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:24.759 the fundamental aspect of reality that existed before everything else. 55 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.039 And you know what, I can really get on board 56 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.520 with that. And if not that, then at the very least, 57 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.159 at the very least, you know, I might not even 58 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:35.800 go that way, but the whole dualistic approach as far 59 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:42.080 as like the physical and the consciousness being equal and fundamental, 60 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:46.680 equally fundamental but separate, but I would tend to probably 61 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:53.400 lean towards consciousness being the most fundamental then sprouting everything else, 62 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:55.800 you know what I'm saying. Like, we've had these experiences 63 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:00.800 where almost seemingly we are able to understand what each 64 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.719 other is thinking, you know, and almost finish each other's sentences. 65 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:07.199 And this this aspect of our reality. That just that 66 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:07.800 just is. 67 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:10.360 You know, we might not be able to scientifically prove 68 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.960 it and really quantify these things, but as far as 69 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:16.720 experience goes, I can really get on board with it. 70 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:20.560 Well, And that's the thing. Throughout many people's experiences, we 71 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:27.360 can experience something that is outside of time, like our consciousness. 72 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:32.000 Our mind is capable of experiencing something outside of time. 73 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:35.240 Our body can't do that. Now, we don't get to 74 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.480 take our body in our dreams, we don't get to 75 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:41.439 take our body in our meditations. That's left behind. That's 76 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:43.399 that's dead weight. Yep. 77 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.120 Right, So you could say that the body is the 78 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.079 farthest thing from the the emanation, you know what I mean. 79 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.519 And so then in that, in that regard, it would 80 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:53.680 come after consciousness itself. 81 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:59.079 Yes, because the one essentially let's just call it consciousness 82 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:03.439 from this data, from this point of view, the one 83 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:08.360 would be consciousness further emanating to the physical reality aka 84 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.720 the physical body. You know, your car, your bed, whatever 85 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.920 those are. The I get what you're saying. That's perfect. Actually, yeah, 86 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.560 all right, So tonight we're exploring one of the deepest 87 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.319 mysteries of all what is consciousness? And where does it 88 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:25.399 come from? Is it just a byproduct of brain chemistry, 89 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:29.560 or is it the fundamental stuff of reality itself? The 90 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.879 dominant worldview and our modern age tells us that consciousness 91 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.519 is nothing more than neurons firing, a byproduct of evolution, 92 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:41.480 an accident of matter bumping into itself. But panpsychism flips 93 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:44.920 that script entirely. It suggests that consciousness is not the 94 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:49.199 end result of physical processes, but the ground floor of existence, 95 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:53.199 the very essence that underlies everything. If that's true, then 96 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:55.759 you and I are not fragile bodies that happen to 97 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.720 be conscious. We are consciousness itself, wearing the mask of 98 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.839 a for a time. And here's where it gets wild. 99 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:06.920 If consciousness is fundamental that, then death is not the end. 100 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.279 It's only a shift, a dissolving of the mask, a 101 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:15.639 return to the whole. So tonight we're journeying through the philosophy, science, 102 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.399 and spirituality of panpsychism, and we'll explore what it really 103 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.680 means for life, for death, and for the dream of 104 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.879 being human. Hmmm, dude, that's great. I love it. 105 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:30.560 Man, Death being like almost an intermission of infinite intermissions. 106 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:33.680 You know, it's the maya just a little break in 107 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:37.120 between the illusion. You know, Yeah, we're tripping. And that's 108 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.319 the thing is that we did the whole DMTX thing 109 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.240 that has to prove it, you know, just the fact 110 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:47.040 that our neurochemistry shows that we are in a much 111 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:51.079 more aware state of mind under the influence of dmt 112 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.639 and that whenever we don't have that going on, that 113 00:06:55.759 --> 00:07:00.439 awareness goes all the way down to roughly ten percent. Yep. 114 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:02.519 I mean, what are we talking about. 115 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:06.959 It's like the body itself is its own governor of 116 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:11.720 the full, fullest potential of consciousness. You know, like consciousness 117 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.560 is potential for so much more, but our body has 118 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:19.480 to almost just narrow it down enough in order for 119 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.240 us to fully understand what we're looking at just through 120 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:23.120 our five senses. 121 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:28.480 It's the life force, you know. So what is panpsychism 122 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:32.839 At its core? Panpsychism is the belief that consciousness is 123 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:37.160 a basic, irreductible feature of the universe, just like mass 124 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.600 or charge. This means that awareness doesn't suddenly appear when 125 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.480 brains get complicated enough. Instead, it's been here all along, 126 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.040 woven into the fabric of reality. Every atom, every quark, 127 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:52.360 every star, and every living creature participates in consciousness in 128 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:55.600 some degree. Now, this doesn't mean that rocks are secretly 129 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.279 thinking deep thoughts, or that your coffee mug has a 130 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.399 hidden inner life the way that you do. Instead, it 131 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:05.839 means that there's a faint, glimmering spark of experience in everything. 132 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:08.240 You can think of it like light. It can be 133 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:11.759 bright and intense, as in possibly a human brain, or 134 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:16.160 dim and barely noticeable, as in the smallest particle, but 135 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.399 it's still light in the same way. Consciousness runs on 136 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:24.120 a spectrum. This is what this suggests. So panpsychism doesn't 137 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:29.360 shrink consciousness down to nothingness like materialism tries to do, 138 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:32.519 nor does it inflate it into a mystical miracle that 139 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:37.120 only humans possess. It places consciousness everywhere, at every level 140 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:40.399 and says this is what reality has been about from 141 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:47.120 the very beginning. M this is just natured man, dude. Yeah, 142 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:53.279 it's the it's foundational. Yes, you know. So the difference 143 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:56.840 between panpsychism and pantheism, for those who may be wondering, 144 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.399 I would say that they're kind of cousins, but there 145 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:03.320 are distincts. Okay, So before we dive in, it's important 146 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.519 to clear up a common point of confusion. Panpsychism is 147 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:11.279 not the same as pantheism, though they sometimes overlap. Pantheism 148 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:15.000 is the belief that everything is God, that the universe itself, 149 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.519 in all of its vastness and detail, is divine. It's 150 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:23.440 a spiritual or theological statement about divinity in the cosmos. Panpsychism, 151 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:26.559 on the other hand, is a theory of consciousness. It 152 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.879 doesn't necessarily claim that everything is God, but rather that 153 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.440 everything has some form of experience or awareness, no matter 154 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:38.440 how faint. Where pantheism says the universe is divine, panpsychism 155 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:43.279 says the universe is aware. One is a statement about holiness, 156 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.919 the other is about mind. That said, these two often 157 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.759 dance together. If the universe is suffused with awareness, it's 158 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.679 not hard to see how traditions across time have equated 159 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:57.799 that awareness, that awareness with the divine. So in our 160 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:02.679 previous episodes talking about pantheism, we explored the sacredness of all. Tonight, 161 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.000 panpsychism lets us explore the experience of the all, not 162 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.759 as a distant God, but as a consciousness itself, flowing 163 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:12.559 through every part of reality. 164 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:17.480 I wonder if, too, if because they're so closely relatable. 165 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:22.360 If that is another reason why perhaps that we tend 166 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:27.679 to seek for some higher power or something larger than ourselves, 167 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:29.320 something that was pre existing. 168 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:30.120 You know what I'm saying. 169 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.360 If you're talking about the pantheism and you want to 170 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.840 say that everything is God, let's just say there's that 171 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:40.840 higher power, there's that spark that that we have because 172 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:44.039 of that. And if it's the the panpsychism, then it's 173 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:47.919 this larger thing such as consciousness itself, that has existed 174 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:50.559 before us, that is bigger and more vast and more 175 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.120 infinite than we are, and so that that gives us 176 00:10:54.240 --> 00:11:00.200 this sense of almost always sensing that that presence of 177 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:01.960 whatever that is, if you want to look at it 178 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.159 spiritually or whatever, like, I feel like that's that explains 179 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:05.600 some of that. 180 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:08.360 Yeah, I would definitely say so. And if you think 181 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:12.360 about it, so the like pantheism says that everything is God, 182 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:15.440 everything is one, everything is God, everything is sourced, everything 183 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:19.879 is universe, everything is one thing, right, and that's okay. 184 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.000 I don't have any problem with that. But it's almost 185 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:25.480 a divine paradox in that sense, not that there's anything 186 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:27.440 wrong with paradoxes. I think this whole reality is a 187 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:31.840 fucking paradox, right. But you know it's like if everything 188 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:36.440 is God, then the paradox would be that nothing exists 189 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.919 outside of God. So to call yourself God, you know, 190 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.639 where's the separation at? You know exactly? 191 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.440 Yeah, Yeah, I just like wanted to mention as far 192 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.879 as the whole consciousness thing. You know, there's there's a 193 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:51.000 reason why we've had experiences. Man, Like just the other night, 194 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.159 I had this experience where you know, my eyes are shut, man, 195 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:55.720 and I'm so relaxed. All of a sudden, I see 196 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:58.039 like eyeballs and things. I mean, I'm not saying that 197 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.360 that's what consciousness looks like, but that is what my 198 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.039 brain determined that that's what that was, you know, like 199 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:08.879 the imagery with in that that ether along with it, 200 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.919 and I'm just observing observance. I mean, I don't know, 201 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:15.000 it's very strange. Oh yeah, you're the dream something. I 202 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:18.080 was thinking about the dreamer and the dream. 203 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:24.720 Yeah. Yeah, dude, such a trip. Yeah, So why materialism 204 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:29.159 falls short? So if you're somebody that believes that materialism 205 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.559 is first and then consciousness came after, this is where 206 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.039 it may not be. So materialism, the idea that matter 207 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.399 is all that there is has been the dominant worldview 208 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:44.000 for centuries. It tells us that that consciousness is an 209 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:48.360 emergent property of matter, something that appears once neurons start 210 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.519 firing in complex enough ways. But here's the problem. No 211 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:55.039 one has ever explained how lifeless matter suddenly becomes aware. 212 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:59.440 This is what philosopher David Chalmers famously called the hard 213 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:03.639 problem of consciousness. Science can measure brain activity and tell 214 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.440 you what happens when you feel fear, joy, or love, 215 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:09.480 but it can't explain why those electrical patterns feel like 216 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.080 anything at all from the inside. Why should matter, when 217 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:17.320 organized a certain way, suddenly light up with the experience 218 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:20.120 of red, or the taste of chocolate or the ache 219 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:23.559 of heartbreak. Materialism leaves us with a giant gap in 220 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:28.159 the story. Panpsychism avoids this problem entirely by cutting out 221 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:32.320 the quote unquote magical leap. Instead of saying consciousness emerges 222 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:35.120 from dead matter, it says matter was never dead to 223 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:38.440 begin with. Consciousness was always there, just waiting to be 224 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.720 organized into more and more complex forms. This doesn't just 225 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.679 solve the hard problem, it turns it inside out. So 226 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.879 that's pretty cool, Yeah, dude, and I think that, to 227 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:56.240 be honest, dude, I think that a materialist is you 228 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.559 would have to closely associate that with an atheist, right, yeah, absolutely, 229 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.440 you know. And you know it's because some people will say, 230 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:05.519 and I listened to a lot of atheists. I actually 231 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.679 enjoy listening to atheists speak a lot of the time. Actually, 232 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.720 the one that you pointed me in the direction of 233 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:14.519 on TikTok or YouTube whatever, it was, Yeah, very intelligent people, 234 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:16.799 I mean, because I think the guy that you referred 235 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:18.480 me to, he was like an ex pastor or an 236 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:19.600 ex priest or something. 237 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:21.960 He was definitely within He was a Christian for like 238 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:25.159 twenty years, you know, and then he went into ministerry 239 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:26.960 what is it called, but they go to the school 240 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.279 or ministry school, ministry school and all this, and at 241 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.879 that time he was already starting to like deconstruct and 242 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.240 like he really started to look at the and getting 243 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:39.639 he learned Hebrew and all of the everything he needed 244 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:41.600 to know. And Dude, by the time he got done 245 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:44.679 with that, he was full on like atheist. He could 246 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.240 just see it for what it was, you know. And 247 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:49.159 and there's nothing wrong with being an atheist. It's basically 248 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:52.399 just looking at the hard evidence, and if there's no 249 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:55.240 evidence for something, then they are not inclined to believe 250 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.440 in that. And that's totally fine, you know what I mean. 251 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:00.200 I think we believe in things that we don't don't 252 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.919 have hard evidence for. But it's that's a choice, you 253 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:04.279 know what I mean. Or like, if you want to 254 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:07.679 allow your mind to entertain certain things in order to 255 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:12.960 amplify yourself in some sort of way, whether it be 256 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.159 confidence or or whatever. You know, we go into all 257 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.840 the different different things, but it's it's all. 258 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:20.840 Good, you know, Yeah, it is. There's nothing wrong with that. 259 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:22.840 I mean, I to be honest, I kind of feel 260 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:25.399 bad for atheists, you know, because now it's like there's 261 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:28.240 nothing to live for. Although they'll say they'll disagree with that, 262 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:31.399 I don't know. I'm not trying to sit here and 263 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:37.080 say that we live to basically appease God so that 264 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.240 hopefully reserves a seat for us in heaven. I'm not 265 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:42.399 saying that. What I'm saying is is that if you 266 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.720 think that once you die the lights completely go out, 267 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:46.960 then what's the point. 268 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.000 I mean, I can understand, you know, having that thought 269 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:55.600 and thinking that there's nothing else after this, If nothing else. 270 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:57.399 For me, how I would look at that if I 271 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.759 was completely atheist, was that is that I only got 272 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:02.440 one shot, you know what I mean, So let's make 273 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:05.279 the best of this go round because I'm not coming 274 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:08.039 back after this. There's nothing after this, so I've let's 275 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:08.919 just make the best. 276 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:09.399 Out of this, right. 277 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.840 But what I wouldn't necessarily say that there's nothing to 278 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:14.480 live for. But but my point is is that, like 279 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.919 why for experience? I mean, you're going to want to 280 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:22.120 experience the best thing possible, even though you're not looking 281 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:25.039 at yourself as a divine being, you know what I'm saying, Like, 282 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.120 you're still going to want to have the best experience 283 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:30.240 or what you determine as good as opposed to bad. 284 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:32.279 Yeah, but you don't get to take that experience with 285 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.200 you if there's if the if the lights are out 286 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:36.559 and you cease to exist, what's the point of an experience? 287 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:40.440 You have no choice. You're here, you know what I mean. 288 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.399 It wasn't like you in that framework. You didn't decide 289 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:45.080 to be here, and so you're here. These are the 290 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.159 cards you're given. And so I mean that's kind of 291 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.600 where I used to be, you know, And just like 292 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:54.480 this whole finite mentality. But that could I can understand, 293 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:59.799 you know, someone becoming a little more uh fuck nihilist. Yeah, 294 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:01.799 I can understand. And I think I did experience some 295 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:04.279 of that, you know, and then I started exploring other 296 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:04.920 things or whatever. 297 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:06.319 But some people are just. 298 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.400 Totally comfortable with that, and you know, it's I don't 299 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.880 see it as something that you know, you don't have anything. 300 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:15.200 To live for, though I've never I never viewed it 301 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.960 that way. I don't think I almost I don't like 302 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:23.200 it's a it's a form of trying to take control whenever. 303 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:25.720 You know, what we always kind of preach is let 304 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.480 go and surrender, right because if you are one hundred 305 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:33.480 percent certain that there's nothing after this, now you have 306 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.839 complete control over your life. Not to say that we 307 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:39.160 don't have majority control over our lives. I mean we 308 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:42.839 definitely do, We absolutely do. But you don't need to. 309 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.000 I don't know. I mean, you know what, maybe we'll 310 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.920 get an atheist on the show one day, and let's 311 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:49.480 just I want to hear them out. 312 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.160 You know, it's just another lens, you know what I'm saying, 313 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:54.799 And so you're gonna get a totally different experience from it. 314 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:56.440 But you're not going to know too much different. I 315 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:58.640 mean that one guy came from Christianity, so I mean 316 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:02.319 obviously he has definitely contrast. So yeah, maybe we can 317 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:05.440 get somebody somebody like that that has totally deconstructed and 318 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:06.480 became atheist. 319 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.319 That'd be interesting. And I will say, like the majority 320 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:12.000 of people that say that they're atheist, I think they're 321 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:16.279 actually agnostic. Like they're open, they're opened for there being something. 322 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.880 It's just that they haven't found, you know, something that 323 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.160 they can agree upon as to what it actually is. 324 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.359 I mean, we're on a search ourselves, you know, trying 325 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:27.960 to understand the most foundational understanding of existence and why 326 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:31.119 we're here in all of that, and so it's it's 327 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.400 just a big mystery, dude. And some people are okay 328 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.119 with not knowing, and that's fine too, that's okay. 329 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.640 So all right, let's continue on the on the route here. 330 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:45.480 So historical roots of panpsychism. Even though panpsychism feels radical today, 331 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.960 it's actually one of the oldest ideas in human thought. Plato, 332 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.759 for instance, shout out spoke of a world soul, a 333 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:57.480 living principle animating the cosmos itself. The Stoics believe in 334 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:02.000 a divine fire or logos pervading everything. In India, the 335 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:06.240 Vedantic traditions taught that Atman, which is the self, and Brahmin, 336 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.720 which is the universal consciousness, are one and the same. 337 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:14.880 During the Enlightenment period, philosophers like Spinoza and Leibniz, I 338 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.200 think it's how you say it, argued for versions of 339 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:21.160 panpsychism too. Spinoza saw the universe as one substance, with 340 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:25.359 both with both physical and mental aspects, meaning consciousness and 341 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.559 matter are two sides of the same coin. Leibniz imagined 342 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.920 reality made up of tiny units of awareness he called monads. 343 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.920 Even William James, the father of American psychology, flirted with 344 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:42.160 the idea that consciousness pervades all matter. Fast forward to today, 345 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:46.279 and modern philosophers like Galen Strawsen and Philip Goff are 346 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:50.920 reviving panpsychism as a serious contender in the philosophy of mind. 347 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.079 What was once dismissed as mystical is now being reconsidered 348 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:58.319 as a real explanation for the hardest questions science has 349 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:02.799 ever faced. Let's go maybe, yeah, man, I love it. 350 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.200 I love when people are more open minded about this 351 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:08.279 kind of stuff, because well, yeah, it's one of those things. 352 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:10.400 It's like, you know, they say you can't prove or 353 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:14.799 disprove the the matrix or the simulation, yeah God or yeah, 354 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:17.720 same thing right right right, It's like and then God 355 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.279 eventually gets reduced to the God of the gaps, like 356 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:23.039 everything that science can't prove while there's God, right. 357 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.200 Yeah, which then just pushes the argument further because then 358 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:28.160 where did God come from? And like, well, he's just 359 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.759 always been But then again, the universe could have just 360 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:32.960 always been right same. 361 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:34.680 Well, and this is this, this is one of the 362 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:37.319 things that we've been trying to convey a little bit, 363 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.240 is that whether we're looking into magic or witchcraft, they're 364 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:46.759 druidism or you know, pantheism or name your thing, whatever, 365 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:49.759 we've covered right me and you we I feel like 366 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.960 we've always tried to find all right, but what's really happening? 367 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.440 You know what I mean? Like, you know, sage is cool, 368 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.559 and writing on bay leafs that's cool, and you know 369 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:04.559 magic incantations and affirmations and you know, making a pentagram 370 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.240 and the salt around your house. What's what's the real 371 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.079 shit that's actually going down going going on in reality? 372 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.799 Because this is just animated versions of the thing, you know, 373 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:19.240 expressing itself in this way. But what actually is it? Right, 374 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.119 And what we found is is that at the very 375 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:28.119 very very bare minimum, it's all just intention like for 376 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:32.160 the very most part. And and and intention is only 377 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:37.319 powerfold or powered powered up through awareness itself. And now 378 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.880 you can't have awareness or intention without consciousness, like that 379 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.440 map problem just doesn't work without it, right. 380 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.680 I mean, I think I find it very very interesting 381 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.680 that we've we have learned so much about the human 382 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.319 mind and its potential through looking. 383 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:52.640 At magic, you know what I mean? 384 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:54.200 Like you never would I don't think I would have 385 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.000 guessed that that would have been a path to go 386 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:00.279 to figure out how the mind works and how your 387 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:04.519 intention and energy and time can affect your reality so much, 388 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.160 you know. But by looking at magic and looking at 389 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.799 the tools that they use and then applying that to 390 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:13.319 what's happening with the mind. When you're doing that, it's like, oh, 391 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.880 and then everything just starts to make so much more sense, 392 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:16.559 you know. 393 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:19.400 And you can't do any of that without consciousness one 394 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:22.680 hundred percent. So and like, and a lot of magic 395 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:25.839 really does get a bad rep magic, witchcraft, any form 396 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:30.480 of paganism does get a majorly bad rep because there 397 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.200 are always the sour apples, there's always the turds in 398 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:35.960 the punch bowl. Whenever you say magic and witchcraft, most 399 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:39.599 people instantly think bang Aleister Crowley, right, or they think 400 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:42.920 bang Marina Bramovich where they think bang like you know 401 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:47.319 John d or you know some of the most despicable people. 402 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.799 And and and that's not a really great representation of it, 403 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.720 but that's the light that gets shined on it by 404 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:57.319 the non believers. No no, no, no, no, right, And it's 405 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.519 like that's the light that really gets shined on it. 406 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.960 And I would say that the majority of like successful 407 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:07.759 magicians or witches or pagans in general, if we're using 408 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:10.960 their term, most of them you're never going to hear 409 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:16.599 about because you know, the wizards and sages and mages 410 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:21.200 and you know, enlightened individuals, they weren't going around and 411 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:26.119 bragging about the magical things that they were able to accomplish, right, 412 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.960 Because if it's all about the mind, and you're you know, 413 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.400 because bragging about something is kind of a lower form 414 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:39.279 of consciousness, you would say purpose, right, And that's that's 415 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:41.759 the opposite, Like you want to get out of that 416 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:44.119 form of self out of that form of ego. The 417 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.440 ego needs, you know, pats on the back and told 418 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:50.119 that you're doing a good job. The ego needs like 419 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:53.400 you're doing right now, let me follow you. The soul 420 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:56.519 doesn't need that. And most people who are accomplished in 421 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:59.240 that era, I mean, I would suggest that you know, 422 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.759 you just don't fucking need you know, recognition, right, And 423 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:04.839 I think that's what happens. 424 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.920 When you get to a certain area or a certain 425 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.359 time within your journey, you start to understand things a 426 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.519 little differently, and the last thing you want to do is. 427 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:13.880 To brag about what you're doing. 428 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:16.960 You keep things to yourself when it's something for you, 429 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:18.160 you know what I mean, because it's not going to 430 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:20.559 help if you're telling somebody else your plan, you know, 431 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:24.880 like or to have expensive possessions or to a lot 432 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:27.559 of those things kind of get pushed aside because you 433 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:30.960 understand that that's not important anymore. 434 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:30.880 You know. 435 00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:33.720 And I remember we were early on, you know, we 436 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.519 were going into people that were able to levitate in 437 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.119 all of this, and it's like, now, I'm thinking being 438 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.039 able to levitate would be the least of what our 439 00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:46.640 abilities could be if we really applied everything the way 440 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:47.359 you're supposed to. 441 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:50.839 And that's what the guru say. Don't don't like become 442 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:54.079 enamored with the cities that you accomplish on your way 443 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.599 to enlightenment slows you down. It's yeah, it's a it's 444 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:05.359 a fucking oh, it's a deterrent or a roadblock. Yeah, basically, yeah, yeah, 445 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.559 so yeah, that's not the main focus. So anyway, all right, 446 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.440 let's keep on going a little bit farther because we 447 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.400 do got a nice long, thick show with two seas today. 448 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:20.440 So consciousness PREMI uh, did I already read that consciousness? 449 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:23.839 I forgot where even where we were? Okay, no, I 450 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:28.680 didn't read this part. Consciousness precedes matter. So here's the big, 451 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:33.160 the big flip that panpsychism offers. Instead of matter producing mind, 452 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:37.240 it suggests mind produces matter. In other words, consciousness is 453 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.079 not an afterthought of the physical universe. It is the 454 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.599 foundation upon which the physical rests. The body and mind 455 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:49.279 are like instruments, but consciousness is the musician. Without the musician, 456 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:53.319 the the instruments make no sound. This perspective actually lines 457 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.880 up with some of the strangest finding in modern findings 458 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.000 in modern physics. In quantum mechanics, the role of the 459 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:02.720 observer can't be ignored. Experiments like the double slit test 460 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.759 show that the act of observation changes the outcome. It's 461 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.440 a fact. It's almost as if the universe refuses to 462 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:13.599 take shape until awareness engages with it. That makes much 463 00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:17.599 more sense if consciousness is primary, not secondary. So when 464 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:21.440 you really sit with this, the entire materialist worldview begins 465 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.119 to unravel. It's not that brain creates awareness, it's that 466 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:29.160 awareness crystallizes into brains and bodies so that it can 467 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:32.920 play in the physical world. Consciousness comes first, matter comes second. 468 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.359 Love it, Love it, And it does make a lot 469 00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.559 of sense if you really think about it. Like and 470 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:40.960 I always like to like, whenever I'm trying to figure 471 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.960 out what reality is, I just kind of base it 472 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:46.480 off of a lot of my own personal experiences, as 473 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:50.160 most people probably do. Right. And I know damn well 474 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.440 that whenever I go into a dream, that is my 475 00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:58.240 mind doing what my mind is going to do. Every 476 00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:02.039 single character, every single tree, every single car, every single conversation, 477 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:07.240 every single magical thing or nightmare or whatever happens, it 478 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:12.079 is all written by the author of my mind. Right, 479 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:16.440 And I think that you know, it's highly likely that 480 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.039 it's no different from reality. 481 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.599 Absolutely not. And this is the thing that we've been 482 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.359 trying to say for a very long time. You know, 483 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:26.680 your thoughts and your the way that you look at 484 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.200 reality literally shapes how you how you perceive it, you know. 485 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.599 And how is it that you can go into a 486 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.599 dream and take it on as complete reality? Either there's 487 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:41.680 there's no there's no resistance to this thing. Oh, it's 488 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:43.559 just a dream while you're in it. While you're in it, 489 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.759 this is this is reality, you know. And so when 490 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.880 you wake up from that, and because an author, like 491 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.200 you said, within your mind created that dream, you know, 492 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.160 so why can't you do that when you're awake? 493 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.839 You know what I'm saying? Like that that makes total 494 00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:58.640 sense to me. Yeah, I just. 495 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.519 Recently had it. I just recently had a I think 496 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.279 it was about two weeks ago. I recently had a 497 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.079 sleep prolysis type of thing happened, and I was it 498 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:10.400 was it was very interesting because I I felt like 499 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:13.440 I was awake, and I like rolled over to try 500 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.079 to wake my wife up, and I like shimmed my 501 00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.480 way over there like enough to where like my head 502 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.920 was like laying on her and I can feel the blanket, 503 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:24.119 the specific blanket that she uses, you know, and I 504 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.640 was like nudging her and I could. I for sure 505 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.200 thought that this was really happening, and I tried to 506 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:30.920 wake her up, and then she said, oh, someone's here, 507 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:32.440 and all of a sudden, it like knocked me out 508 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:34.440 of that, and I got up out of bed and 509 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:36.839 I went out my my bedroom door, and I looked 510 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.359 down the hallway and then I asked her. 511 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:40.559 I was like, who did you say was here? 512 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.839 And then I like, for some reason, instead of turning 513 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.400 around and walking back into the room, I like walked 514 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.519 backwards back into the room because maybe I was scared. 515 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:50.920 I don't know what the situation was with that. And 516 00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:53.319 then all of a sudden boom, I'm laying in the 517 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.720 spot that I started in, facing away from her at 518 00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.519 that time, Like, but I can tell you that I 519 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.759 sure like if you would have asked me in that dream, 520 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.359 hey man, we're gonna record tomorrow, is this reality? I'd 521 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.119 been like, yeah, for sure, what are you talking about? 522 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.119 Why are you asking me that? Like it felt so real. 523 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.680 I've never had an experience like that before, and so 524 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:16.559 what what's going on there? 525 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:17.200 You know? 526 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.240 What? I mean, like the author of my mind was 527 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.160 just like, what why is that? Why do we have 528 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:23.200 these experiences? 529 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:28.480 If consciousness has no role in any of it, people 530 00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:30.400 just overlook the dream aspect of it. 531 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.119 I mean, And that's and that's the thing is that 532 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.640 you know, we as humans, you know, for specifically talking 533 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.880 about our meat suit, we have grown to not need 534 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.359 certain organs anymore. We just don't use them, you know. 535 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.519 The appendix, I believe is something that they say that 536 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.359 give it another couple of hundred years, Like we're not 537 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.440 even gonna be born with them anymore, right because there's 538 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.680 just not really a whole need for them. And and 539 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:58.400 I'm sure that there's other things that I can't think 540 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.640 of right now, But the point is is that whenever 541 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:05.160 there's not a need for something, you know, evolution or 542 00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:08.720 reality or the universe says, all right, well, I'm not 543 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:10.640 going to keep on putting energy into something that you're 544 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.480 not going to use, you know. That's that's kind of 545 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.319 the whole argument behind like the Gray Aliens, Right, Like 546 00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.799 the Gray Aliens became so technologically advanced that they didn't 547 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.960 have a use for a mouth anymore. They didn't have 548 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:28.319 a use for you know, sexual organs or anything like that. 549 00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:32.440 I mean, their body became so slender and frill and 550 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.720 you know, it was just like a fucking Barbie doll 551 00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.400 the way it was, like how slim it was, and 552 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.400 they grew to not need it anymore. Now it was 553 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.440 definitely to their detriment. Otherwise they wouldn't have tried to 554 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.799 come back. And you know, if you believe that whole story, 555 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.440 But the point is is that, you know, if consciousness 556 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:55.799 is merely secondary, and if consciousness, if we didn't need consciousness, 557 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.359 or we didn't need awareness, and we were only put 558 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.640 here just to experience reality, physical reality, and nothing else, 559 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:09.319 you would have no need for internal conversation. You'd have 560 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:13.160 no need for heightened or lowered awareness, you would have 561 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:18.119 no need for dreams, you'd have no need for you know, 562 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.039 things that you may experience on a psychedelic trip. Why 563 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.079 would you need it? You don't need it anymore? Like 564 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.880 why do we have certain receptors within our brain that 565 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.880 speak to d MT and THC, amongst other things. Why 566 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.720 why are those receptors? Like how did we evolve to 567 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:34.240 get there? 568 00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:37.119 You know what I'm saying right right? And why does 569 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.920 consciousness feel the need to persist when you're when you're asleep. 570 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.200 You know, does the brain really need some sort of 571 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.680 entertainment or some type of stimulus to get through the night? 572 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:50.759 You know what I mean? Like, I don't see why 573 00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:55.279 that is. I mean, yeah, think about the activity and 574 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.640 your car for example. You know, whenever your car is 575 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.680 turn you know, you hear the engine, you hear all 576 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.440 the parts they're going, and you know the belts are spinning, 577 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.880 and the smoke from the gasoline is being produced out 578 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:11.880 of the exhaust and all these other things. Right, Like, 579 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.119 it feels alive, it feels awesome. But you turn, you 580 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.319 take that key out, It's like a light switch went off. 581 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.079 There's nothing else going on inside of that car. And 582 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.119 why do you need it. You don't need that car 583 00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.480 to be thinking anything or doing anything whenever it's not running. 584 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.279 The same thing goes for the human body. Why do 585 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.000 we need to dream? Why does our mind keep on 586 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:38.200 going whenever, you know, the conscious mind fades into the darkness. 587 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.720 It's like there has to be something there. 588 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.960 And nobody's talking about dreaming evolving away at some point, 589 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.160 you know what I mean? Like that that seems to 590 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.359 be a thing that will always be forever going forward. 591 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.640 I agree. Yeah, So this is actually a really cool 592 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.440 analogy we're going to talk about. It's called the whirlpool analogy. 593 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:03.000 You ever heard of it before? No, So one of 594 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.880 the clearest ways to picture this is with the image 595 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.720 of a river. Imagine an infinite river of flowing water, 596 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:15.839 moving without beginning or end. That river is universal consciousness, boundless, eternal, 597 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.240 and always in motion. Now within that river, whirlpoles appear. 598 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.599 Each world pole is a local gathering of water into 599 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.720 a recognizable shape. That whirlpole is you or me, a 600 00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:32.480 temporary individual swirling with a sense of separateness from the outside. 601 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.440 It looks distinct, but it's never really cut off from 602 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.160 the river. It's made of the same water, just spinning 603 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.480 in its own form. And here's the key. When the 604 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.920 whirlpool dissolves back into the river, nothing is lost. The 605 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.920 water remains flowing onward. That's what happens at death. The 606 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:51.519 form fades, but the essence, the consciousness, was always the 607 00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.440 river to begin with. Mmmm, that's cool, it's pretty Yeah. 608 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.759 It's like the wave, you know, the wave of the whirlpoole. 609 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.000 Same thing. It looks like it's separate from the hole, 610 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.400 but eventually it dissolves back into the into the totality 611 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.640 of all that, all that is within that river, that ocean, 612 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.719 or whatever it is. Right, And it's not like whenever 613 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:15.639 the wave goes down, that like there's now five gallons less. 614 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.800 Of water, one less wave, right right, It's just a 615 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.599 temporary excitation of the hole you know that is in 616 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:27.000 fact identifiable as a wave crashing or what have you. 617 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:32.480 Yes, yes, So now we're going to get into everyday 618 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:39.360 evidence of consciousness primacy. Oh, let's go, baby, skeptics say. 619 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.239 Skeptics may say, Okay, nice metaphor, but where's the evidence. Well, 620 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.960 let's look at some of the cracks in the materialists story. 621 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:52.119 For instance, near death experiences. People who are clinically dead, 622 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.519 no heartbeat, no measurable brain activity, still report vivid awareness. 623 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.559 They describe floating above their bodies, seeing doctors work on them, 624 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:06.039 even recalling details that can later be verified. If the 625 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:10.239 brain creates consciousness, how is that possible? Then there are 626 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.719 dreams every night when you slip into a world created 627 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.280 entirely by your mind, with sights and sounds and emotions 628 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.480 and even other characters who seem real in the moment 629 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.159 you wake up. And it vanishes, but the experience was undeniable. 630 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.199 Mystical visions and psychedelic journeys at another layer, often pulling 631 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.320 back the curtain and revealing realities that feel more real 632 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.440 than waking life. As many people have said, panpsychism gives 633 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.679 these phenomena a place in the framework. Instead of being 634 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.239 written off as hallucinations or malfunctions, they can be seen 635 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.920 as moments where consciousness shows its independence from the body. 636 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.719 They are little reminders that awareness doesn't rely on neurons alone, 637 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.360 that the mind is more than the machine. 638 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.039 And you know, I know that some will argue as 639 00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.960 far as trying to argue against the near death experiences 640 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.159 because they're like, oh, well, we had this experiment where 641 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:06.519 like twenty hospitals they took this, they took this experiment 642 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.280 on and they put like note cards and things up 643 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.920 on top of the And I've heard people say this, 644 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.559 and it's trying to just like, well, see you look 645 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.880 at this isn't something that people are actually experiencing, because 646 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.039 nobody has ever had the experience and come back and said, 647 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:20.960 oh yeah, there is in fact a note card and 648 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:21.719 it says. 649 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.559 This or what have you. But you know, I think 650 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.039 the only thing I can say to that is forethought. 651 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.719 If yes, first like. 652 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.760 You're not telling the people that, Okay, let us know 653 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:34.960 what's up there. We put something up there, but you know, 654 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.639 just let us know what you see. But I feel 655 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.480 like it's more like if there was something up there, 656 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:45.320 they're also seeing so much of other stuff because now 657 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.480 there their limitation, which would be the body is not 658 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.599 holding them down anymore. And so I feel like, if 659 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:53.960 you're up there, you're I mean, David Dischfield saw a 660 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.559 waterfall of stars and everything else, and so who's to 661 00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:00.599 say that along with seeing their body below, they're not 662 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.039 seeing so many other things. And a note card on 663 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.519 a shelf is not something you would be trying to 664 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:07.880 observe at that point, now. 665 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.280 You know what I mean. It's just silly to me, 666 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.800 not at all. And I feel like that just it 667 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.079 just takes so much forethought. First of all, you have 668 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.239 to have the doctor say, well, it's a good chance, 669 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.400 so this motherfucker's going to die, so let me put 670 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.199 a note card and let's see if he'll be able 671 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.280 to jump out of his body and read this message. 672 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.760 The thing is is that that is a that's that's 673 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:29.960 kind of a bad form, you know what I mean, 674 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.119 Like that's done in a bad flavor, Like you're not 675 00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:34.920 going to sit here and say you're not going to 676 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.039 sit here and say, like I give up on my 677 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.079 patient and I think that he's going to die, so 678 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:41.840 let me write this card and see if he can 679 00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:43.000 have an out of body experience. 680 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:44.880 Right, Well, I mean to be fair, I don't think 681 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.039 that that's how they were doing it, but but yeah, 682 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.920 and in that saying it that way, because I guess 683 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.559 the card and everything is it's just always there. So 684 00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.639 just in case they do lose somebody, when they come back, 685 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.320 they can ask them some questions and depending on how 686 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.039 they fare, can determine whether or not they actually went 687 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.159 out of body. And most of the time they can't 688 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.639 tell anybody the experience that they saw something up there, 689 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.639 even if they said I definitely went out of body, 690 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.119 they can't tell anybody what's on that card. But like 691 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:13.880 I said, I feel like that's the last thing you're 692 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:15.000 going to be trying to look at. 693 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.440 But you know what, like you don't even need to 694 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:20.800 have that because there are numerous examples of people saying 695 00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.639 like they're unconscious, they're either dead or they're on their 696 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.280 way out and there is no brain activity going on. 697 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.960 Maybe they're having some crazy surgery going on to where 698 00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.800 they you know, the anesthesia is weighing in deep or 699 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.360 something like that, and they shouldn't have any form of 700 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.199 consciousness whatsoever. And I just got done. It was a 701 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.840 couple of days ago. I was listening to this person 702 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.639 and they were saying that they got shot in the 703 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:48.719 fucking head with a gun, right, and the bullet like 704 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.400 it was, it was nearly fatal, and I guess it 705 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.880 was fatal for like a couple of minutes until she 706 00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:59.480 was able to come back, right. So she eventually comes back, 707 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:03.119 but she goes, she goes, I saw something in there 708 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:06.920 that the doctors believe I shouldn't have seen. So there 709 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.840 was a doctor, maybe two doctors, and a couple of 710 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:15.280 nurses and she goes. I specifically remember the doctor yelling 711 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.159 at the nurse because she fucked up somehow one way 712 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:23.880 or another, right, and she goes, you know, she relayed 713 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.599 that back to the doctor, I guess, and the doctor 714 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.199 was like, yeah, I can't talk about that because she 715 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.000 went back, like a couple of weeks later, when she 716 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:33.079 was all healed up and released from the hospital, and everything. 717 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.199 She went back a little while later to go check 718 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.519 and see, like, am I just tripping right now? Or 719 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.920 did I see that? You know, like, did I see 720 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.840 that nurse mess up? And so she goes back and 721 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:45.920 she goes, yeah, I remember there was this one nurse. 722 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:47.760 I didn't get her name, but you know, she describes 723 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.960 her really well and to where you know who she's 724 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.280 talking about, right, And the person that's working at the 725 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.360 hospital goes, yeah, the person doesn't work here anymore. As 726 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.280 a matter of fact, they got fired that night, right, 727 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.559 And so the woman's like, oh, so that's why my 728 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.800 brain's a little off, you know, just making a fun 729 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.960 joke out of it, like this girl messed up. She 730 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.000 got fired. I mean, she messed up so bad that 731 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:12.559 she end up getting fired. And here I am just 732 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.440 walking the streets. And so she goes and so she 733 00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:18.960 I believe she ends up having a conversation with the 734 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.639 doctor and the doctor's like, yeah, or she heard something 735 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:26.880 through the grapevine or something like that and found out 736 00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.440 that that nurse had messed up. Yes, that doctor was 737 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.559 yelling at that nurse while she was supposed to be unconscious. 738 00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:35.719 More of the story is is that she was able 739 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.840 to see something, she was able to witness something she 740 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:43.039 was there for something that she shouldn't have been there for, right, right. 741 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.760 And the reason for that not being good evidence of 742 00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:48.360 the out of body experience being real is because that 743 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:50.960 would have exposed the hospital itself. Of course they're going 744 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.000 to protect, you know, if if they did something like 745 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.159 in a malpracticed type of situation, they're not going to 746 00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:58.760 be like, oh, yeah, we messed up, because for all 747 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:00.679 they know, this person that did see them out of 748 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.679 body as trying to build a case for some sort 749 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:05.920 of malpractice suit and you know what I'm saying. But 750 00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.519 in the case of the experimental ones where they're actually 751 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.920 trying to gather that proof, like, yeah, it just falls 752 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:14.719 apart because, like I said, you're not gonna be looking 753 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.280 for that type of thing, you know, and. 754 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:19.159 That can't be explained away. But it happens like a 755 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.000 lot more than people are comfortable to admit. 756 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.239 Yeah, people going out of body and going to a 757 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.559 separate floor where their family members are having a conversation 758 00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:29.320 and listening to the conversation and then after the fact 759 00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.599 telling them, yeah, I was there, I heard you guys 760 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.119 talking about this and that, and they're just like blown away. 761 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:36.760 But like that that's not going to count as evidence 762 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.639 because it wasn't set up and it wasn't scientifically you know, 763 00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:44.599 ran through in that way. It's just an experienced thing 764 00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.840 that will just be an experience and that's it. 765 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.639 Yeah. And the thing is is that you know, there's actually, 766 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:54.000 and I believe we mentioned this before, but there are 767 00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.599 venerated saints, like through the Catholic Church or wherever they 768 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.880 become venerated because of their great works whenever they were alive, 769 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.320 and so they become saintized or whatever the term is, right, 770 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.000 just venerated saints. And there are venerated saints who like 771 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.360 there is documentation of some of these motherfuckers going out 772 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.679 of body and meeting other people in places that like 773 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.119 they didn't bring their body with like talking about like 774 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.480 these I can't remember the name of them, but there's 775 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.719 this one saint that had this like this crazy out 776 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:29.320 of body experience. And it's known that this saint never 777 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.199 left like his bedroom or something like he always stayed 778 00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:35.119 in one room. I don't know if he was paralyzed 779 00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.519 or what, but like for some reason always stayed in 780 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:41.760 one room. Right, Yet there are there was a pilot 781 00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.880 that said that that saint came and visited him, you know, 782 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.599 as he was flying a jet. There was another person 783 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.760 that came and said, yeah, that person actually came and 784 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.400 visited me last night too. It was really strange, like 785 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.239 I thought that they never come out of their cave 786 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.440 or whatever it is. And so the point is is 787 00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.519 that it's usually whenever people admit that it's a real 788 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:03.840 thing that's going on, well that's just divine, that's God's 789 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.679 and I'm not even here to disagree with that. I mean, 790 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.199 if we are all God, or we are all one thing, 791 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.880 or we are all one consciousness, then yes, you're right, 792 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:20.480 you know, but it's not limited to veneration, right, exactly exactly. 793 00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.599 So all right, now we're going to get to the 794 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.039 next part, which is the integrated information science itself is 795 00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.079 beginning to brush against panpsychism, even if it doesn't call 796 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.079 it that. One of the leading theories of consciousness in 797 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:39.039 neuroscience today is called integrated information theory or IT. It 798 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.599 suggests that consciousness arises wherever information is both highly differentiated 799 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.360 and highly unified. In other words, a system that integrates 800 00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.840 lots of information into one whole, like the human brain, 801 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:56.159 produces a rich conscious experience. But here's where it gets interesting. 802 00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.840 Integrated information theory doesn't say that this integration only happens 803 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.639 in humans. Even a simple circuit, if it has the 804 00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:07.199 right structure, could carry a tiny spark of awareness. The 805 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:11.000 more integrated the system, the brighter the spark. The idea 806 00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:15.760 dovetails perfectly with panpsychism because it implies that consciousness is 807 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.119 not an on or off switch, but a spectrum present 808 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:23.440 throughout nature. What this means is that the line between 809 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:27.760 alive and not alive becomes blurry. Consciousness may be as 810 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:32.320 fundamental as gravity or magnetism, present everywhere, showing up in 811 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.719 stronger or weaker forms depending on the system. It suggests 812 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:37.920 that we live in a universe that is not dead 813 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:45.199 and mechanical, but alive and aware at every level. Fuck yeah, dude, it. 814 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.880 Has to be true, Yeah, dude, Yeah, Like it would 815 00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:53.039 be preferable, man if we do go on somewhere after this, 816 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:54.800 you know, yeah. 817 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.119 One hundred percent. Yeah, I mean I want to keep 818 00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:59.280 going right, you know, I'm enjoying. 819 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:03.440 This life exactly. To what form would you take? You know, 820 00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:05.719 like who knows, you know, But I mean you can 821 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:07.960 end up being a tree or you know, and at 822 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.440 that point your ability to experience consciousness would just be 823 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.880 like at a slower rate or something like that, probably know. 824 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.800 And the point is is, like, you know, like there 825 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:21.880 has to be like if you think about it, so, 826 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.840 I know, some people, Jacob specifically likes to say that 827 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.679 whenever the Big Bang happened, that can be compared to 828 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:34.800 was that possibly whenever God spoke life into existence, you know, 829 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.119 let there be light kind of situation, was that when 830 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.599 that very moment happened, that there's just a scientific way 831 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.119 of proving what spiritually happened, right right, And that's that's 832 00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.960 an argument. And I mean, I don't I know, I mean, 833 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:49.039 this should happened a long as time ago. I wasn't there, 834 00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.360 you know. But if we are to just look at 835 00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:56.199 it for what it is, if God spoke something into existence, 836 00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:01.199 are we now saying that God only speaks material reality 837 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:05.920 or does wouldn't it make more sense that if God 838 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:12.360 spoke something and you know, like made something out of 839 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:16.840 just his voice, that there would be essentially like maybe 840 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:23.559 his consciousness that was the the the electricity that created 841 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.400 everything and crystallized it and made it look like it 842 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.320 was physical. But it would have to stem from something 843 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:33.920 conscious is. My point is that consciousness has to proceed 844 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:40.039 material reality if life was spoken into existence, right that? 845 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:42.159 I don't know. I mean, that's why my mind works 846 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:48.559 with it anyway. Yeah, So why you experience you and 847 00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:53.320 not me? Okay, all right, let's go. This is one 848 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.960 of the deepest puzzles. If consciousness is truly everywhere, why 849 00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.480 do you only experience yourself and not everyone one else? 850 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.559 Why do I feel like me trap behind my eyes 851 00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.400 instead of also feeling like you, or the tree outside 852 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.719 or the stars in the sky. Panpsychism offers a fascinating 853 00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.519 way to look at this. The answer lies in patterns 854 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:17.119 of integration. Your brain integrates information into one unified stream. 855 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.119 That integrated stream is your perspective. My brain does the 856 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.239 same for me. The river of consciousness is universal, but 857 00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:29.360 each whirlpool, each integrated system becomes its own window of experience. 858 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:33.800 Window of experience. From inside the whirlpool, you only see 859 00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.480 from your angle, not from all at once. Some mystical 860 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.719 traditions even go further whenever they say that this boundary 861 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.519 is real but also temporary. The sense of eye is 862 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.800 a necessary mask so that the one can play as 863 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.840 the many death or certain altered states may dissolve that boundary, 864 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:56.559 showing you or showing that you and I were always one, 865 00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.280 just refracted into separate windows for a time. And think 866 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:03.840 about this, dude. When people do have that near death 867 00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.159 experience and they said that they for a brief moment 868 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.079 were on the other side of that veil or they 869 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:13.480 were reconnected with the source, it was almost like they 870 00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:18.519 had so much information just almost like downloaded into them. 871 00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:20.519 They they knew everything. 872 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.280 Then they come back and it's like impossible to even 873 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:27.639 be able to explain that. But just that sensation of like, oh, 874 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:32.000 I just knew so much, you know, that is the 875 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.679 idea of whatever it is that's you, the little bit 876 00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:39.440 of consciousness that's inside of you, re emerging with the stream, 877 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.440 if you will, you know what I'm saying, the infinite stream, 878 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.679 and going, oh, that's what it all is. And this 879 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.519 is just like a character that I'm embodying briefly. 880 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.320 I mean, yeah, just as you were a different character 881 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.239 in your dream, right, you know, like it just as 882 00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.039 your wife was different in your dream, your job was 883 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.360 different in your dream, your kids were different in your dream. 884 00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:05.119 You instead of having like I have a boxer wiener dog. 885 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.159 You had a husky, you know, and you looked at 886 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:11.679 them like they were real family. Mm you know. Yeah, 887 00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.159 no denying it, dude, no denying it. 888 00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:16.440 I really like that explanation too, as far as like 889 00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:20.320 it's almost like consciousness is like this this foundational thing, 890 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.800 you know, but you your mind and the the experiences 891 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.079 you've had, and that that build up of the ego 892 00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.280 that you have and the shadow and everything else is 893 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.400 is the thing that makes you feel like you. But 894 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.519 when you go into a meditation, I would bet you 895 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.639 and I both feel pretty much the same when we 896 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.760 were experiencing only consciousness. 897 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:44.519 Stillness, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 898 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:50.920 mean the feeling, the the euphoricism, if that's a word. Yeah, 899 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:55.039 that that thing that is underlying that's damn near silent, 900 00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:59.280 but not totally silent. It's a it's a the most 901 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:03.800 the most peaceful feeling in the world. Yeah. 902 00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:05.920 And surely there's no way for us to be able 903 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:10.159 to prove or experiment with that, to figure out somehow 904 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:13.320 if we are in fact experiencing the exact same feeling. 905 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:15.280 I mean, when it is when you are able to 906 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:20.480 get to that complete just awareness, absence of the ego 907 00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:22.719 and all of that. But I would be willing to 908 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.360 bet that it's the same for everybody. I mean, because 909 00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:28.199 we're all dipping into the same field. 910 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.760 At that point. You're staying in the zone of about 911 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:35.119 to fall asleep for fifteen to twenty minutes, and you're 912 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:39.760 not going into this meditation like with the intention of 913 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:45.880 falling asleep. So it's intentionally almost not falling asleep, is 914 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.280 really if you think about it, and playing within that 915 00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:53.519 zone for some reason brings people absolute joy and absolute 916 00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:59.119 peace and absolute wholeness and absolute absolutely destroying the illusion 917 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:04.519 of separate Like why is that a thing? Right? 918 00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:08.599 Well, because the consciousness itself would be like the most 919 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.679 neutral thing, you know. The only thing that gives us 920 00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:15.039 that subjectivity of it is the like I said, the 921 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.639 experiences we've had before with certain things. And so when 922 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:22.360 you get into a meditation and you are observing that 923 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:26.159 meditation through the most neutral thing foundationally that we have 924 00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:31.360 in existence, you are just that and there's no prejudice 925 00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:34.559 or or need for the vape or or you know, the. 926 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:39.119 Addiction or anything like that. You're just that. I am that, 927 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:45.039 I am no shit. Yeah, And it's interesting because you know, 928 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.920 I've I've read a lot of the Bible and various 929 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.320 other religious texts and everything, and you know, you see 930 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:56.760 like these very silly statements where and then God said this. 931 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:01.880 I'm like, I don't think that's how that works, because 932 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.760 you know what I mean, because operating within time I mean, 933 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:09.119 or like as if the if. And this is just 934 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:10.960 from my own perspective. I don't know if you agree 935 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:14.480 with this, but like, if we were to be able 936 00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:18.679 to mesh with God or mesh with the all, or 937 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:24.639 mesh with the universe, the most easily readily available place 938 00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:26.320 to do that is within meditation. 939 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:27.119 Right. 940 00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.039 It's like that one comedian that said, you know, I've 941 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:35.920 been to church a thousand times. I've done mushrooms maybe thirty. 942 00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.039 Which place do you think I talked to God the most? 943 00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:43.440 You know? It's like there's something about that stillness that 944 00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:47.159 is comforting. It is you know, you've been there before. 945 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.800 It's where you've probably been the majority of your existence, 946 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:58.119 and it's familiar, you know, and so that place it 947 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.199 is comforting in silence. You can go there and I 948 00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:03.920 suppose you can ask, you know, some questions and get 949 00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.199 some verified answers or whatever. But I don't know if 950 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.920 I've ever gone there and had God tell me that 951 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.880 I should start sacrificing shit. No, not one time, dude. 952 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.320 I've never went there and said that. I never. I 953 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.360 never heard God say like, you need to take over 954 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:25.159 this land because that's my land, right Like, that's where 955 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.840 it gets a little bit delusional to me. M M 956 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:29.599 with you. I agree with you. 957 00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:32.840 Yeah, I've never I've never been. I've never had any 958 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.920 messages like that, not yet. Anyway, who knows, you know, 959 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:37.920 maybe that's just how it works. Once you get deep, 960 00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:39.280 you're still young, you know. 961 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:46.559 Yeah, uh, test the spirit. Yeah. So now we go 962 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:50.679 to death as a transformation. So what happens when the 963 00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:56.639 whirlpool dissolves and panpsychism? Death is not the annihilation of consciousness. Instead, 964 00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:00.000 it's a transformation, a return to the wider field of awareness. 965 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:03.199 The body may shut down, the personality may fade, but 966 00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:07.440 the essence, the conscious spark, was never produced by the body. 967 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.360 To begin with, A helpful analogy is the radio. The 968 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.280 radio doesn't create the music, It just tunes into a 969 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.159 signal that's already there. When the radio breaks, the music 970 00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:19.679 doesn't stop existing. It still fills the airwaves, waiting for 971 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.719 another receiver, in the same way your body is a 972 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:27.199 receiver for consciousness. Death simply means this particular receiver shuts off, 973 00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:31.519 but the music awareness itself continues. This way of seeing 974 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.760 death is not only less frightening, but deeply empowering. It 975 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:39.079 reframes mortality not as a tragic ending, but as a homecoming. 976 00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:42.559 Life becomes a chapter and an endless story, a dream 977 00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:47.119 with a greater dream, and death is simply waking up. Hm. 978 00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:51.000 Hmmm, that's cool, man, Okay, that's cool. Energy can't be created, 979 00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:52.800 No one destroyed. Man, you know what I mean? And 980 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:57.039 I believe the consciousness I am, the thing that is 981 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:01.519 you is some sort of energy I guess would be consciousness. 982 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:02.760 And you just remerge with that. 983 00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:04.960 Well, and and if you want to look at it 984 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.159 like this, like if you want to talk about evolution 985 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.320 or you know, how did consciousness evolve if it ever 986 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:14.719 needed to evolve? Right like, and and the human body 987 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.480 will do everything like it was it was. The human 988 00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.159 body was always in defense mode, like it still is 989 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.119 for a lot of people, right And that's why most 990 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:25.880 people are motivated off of fear or lack or unknowing. 991 00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:30.840 And it's like fear. I mean, uh, anxiety and depression 992 00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:34.719 are stemmed from those things. It's always a lack, it's 993 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:40.039 a fear, you know, it's the unknown. I mean, the 994 00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:46.480 they're they're variables, right, and that's that's mainly like a 995 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:48.480 body thing. Like if you think about it, the body 996 00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:52.039 was made to be defensive in a sense, like you know, 997 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:57.760 we we evolved to run or we evolve to eat 998 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.079 whatever the fuck or you know what I mean, Like 999 00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:04.480 the body has tried to survive throughout the annals of history, 1000 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.000 and that's why, like we just want to fuck all 1001 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:08.719 the time, you know what I'm saying. It's like I 1002 00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:11.920 need to keep on reproducing because humanity is the most 1003 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:16.400 important thing to my human body, in my human mind. Right, 1004 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:19.840 you could say that consciousness wants to survive as well, 1005 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.599 and that its divine mission and that its divine purpose 1006 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:26.760 is to always survive. And if that's the case, then 1007 00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:31.000 surely it found a way to do so, right right. Oh, 1008 00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:32.400 that's interesting. 1009 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:35.840 I wonder I feel like it wouldn't even need to 1010 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.960 have that instinct, you know, if it is this foundational thing. 1011 00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:44.320 I just feel like it doesn't have that notion that 1012 00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:45.440 drive at all. 1013 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:47.800 You know what I mean it just is, you know, 1014 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.840 but that's not good enough for the scientific community, you know. 1015 00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:51.159 What I mean. 1016 00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.519 You can't just say it just is or it just does, 1017 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.360 you know what I mean That that's just kind of 1018 00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:58.920 evading the real truth. 1019 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:01.760 Of the matter. They're not fans of it ill what 1020 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:02.119 it ill. 1021 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:04.719 That's right, you know, I kind of am from time 1022 00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.719 to time. I mean, sometimes it's just is, you know. 1023 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:11.880 So all right, let's get to the ancient wisdom. These 1024 00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:15.039 ideas aren't new. Humanity has been wrestling with them for 1025 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:19.239 thousands of years. In Hinduism, the teaching is that atman or, 1026 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.079 the individual self is ultimately identical with Brahmin, which is 1027 00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:26.719 the universal consciousness. The personality is temporary, but the self 1028 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:30.079 is eternal. Dying is like removing a mask and realizing 1029 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.920 you were the actor all along. The Gnostics spoke of 1030 00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:36.920 the soul trapped in matter, longing to remember its divine origin. 1031 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.519 In Buddhism, the self is seen as an illusion, and 1032 00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:43.400 liberation comes when we see through it and merge with 1033 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:48.039 the boundless awareness beneath Doois. Sages described life and death 1034 00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:52.519 as transformations within the dow the eternal flow. All these 1035 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:56.079 traditions converge on a central insight. You're not just the body, 1036 00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:00.559 this mind, this personality. You are something greater, something eternal, 1037 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:04.039 wearing this form for a while. Panpsychism isn't just a 1038 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:09.239 modern theory. It's the latest language for an ancient truth. Hm, 1039 00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:11.679 I dig it. I love it. I love it. 1040 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.159 I mean everyone's trying to understand this thing, you know 1041 00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:15.880 what I mean, we just got different names for it 1042 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:18.280 and different proofs and different lenses to look through. But 1043 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:22.119 I mean, come on, it's it's there's something there obviously 1044 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:22.880 that we're looking for. 1045 00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:27.119 Well, and that's the thing, if you know, if consciousness 1046 00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:33.239 comes after physical reality, why is it that since the 1047 00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:37.480 beginning of time there has been spirituality in religion and 1048 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.639 myth and stories and you know, fasting and you know 1049 00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:45.360 all these different things that you would do, because we've 1050 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:49.280 all had experiences that are like unexplainable, you know, and 1051 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.159 people have been like, wait a second, I just had 1052 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:56.000 that experience. It doesn't fit into like what they say 1053 00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:01.239 this material reality is. It doesn't like and if everything 1054 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:04.840 was just a material reality, you wouldn't need to experience that, 1055 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.559 you know, And that's kind of like so of course 1056 00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:12.239 there would be like religions that have spawned because hey, 1057 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:14.920 I've experienced something kind of similar to that. You know. 1058 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.480 That's actually the very reason why Electro Nick Ever reached 1059 00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.440 out to me in the in the very first place 1060 00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:23.039 was because I had told, you know, the show on 1061 00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.760 the Cold of a Conspiracy about my Eloheem story, and 1062 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:27.719 Nick was like, holy shit, I had one of those two. 1063 00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:29.760 He reached out, He told me history and the rest 1064 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:35.639 is history. Right. So we have these similar unexplainable experiences, 1065 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.039 and sometimes we just like to throw a name on them. 1066 00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:42.400 But if all that there is is material reality, why 1067 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:44.280 would you need to even add that into the equation? 1068 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:47.320 Why would that even be a possibility. Why would synchronicities 1069 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.800 be a thing? It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. 1070 00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.519 You know, these are just the things that are woven 1071 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.159 into consciousness and it's just there. 1072 00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:59.480 And not only just are they a thing? Why are 1073 00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:02.119 we away that they're a thing? You know what I'm saying. 1074 01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.159 It's a deep question, like why would we be so 1075 01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:08.880 aware of synchronicities? Why? You know what, I'm like, why 1076 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.360 is it that some people are like, yo, I see 1077 01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.719 four four four every fucking day. I see it on 1078 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:15.599 a license plate I see it on a billboard, I 1079 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:17.559 see it on the clock, I see it on a 1080 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:21.039 page number that I'm reading. It is just constantly slapping 1081 01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:23.280 me in the face. Now, some people would say, well, 1082 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:25.480 your mind is a tune and it's looking for it. 1083 01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:29.880 I don't buy that. I really don't. I like because 1084 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.519 it seems like they always happen at a significant time, right, 1085 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:38.519 Like every synchronicity that you ever experience, it's always like, hey, 1086 01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:41.239 bring your attention back, Like, I'm happy I got your 1087 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.000 attention with this synchronicity, But look around, maybe there's something 1088 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:45.519 going on that you need to pay attention to. 1089 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.199 Yeah, and to mention, you know. I like to bring 1090 01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:50.000 him up because I just love the guy. But Danny 1091 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.719 Gohlder how he said, you know, nature keeps no secrets. 1092 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:55.079 I feel like that's kind of touching on that. 1093 01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:55.400 You know. 1094 01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:59.880 Then the synchronicity and the just the experiences that you have. Man, 1095 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:03.199 it's just like a consciousness itself trying to let you 1096 01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:06.599 know that you know, Hey, I'm right here, you know 1097 01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:08.719 what I mean, And I know that you're aware of me. 1098 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.440 But like you know what I mean, there's more to 1099 01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:12.199 this mystery. 1100 01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:17.159 There be more. Yeah, So modern science is catching up. 1101 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:20.800 Here's where things get exciting if they weren't already. Modern 1102 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:23.400 science is starting to echo what mystics have always known. 1103 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:27.320 Neuroscience has yet defined the quote unquote seat of consciousness 1104 01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:30.199 in the brain. They can map neural activity, but they 1105 01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:34.880 can't pinpoint where awareness lives. The best way that that 1106 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:38.400 they can say is that the brain states and consciousness 1107 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:43.840 states correlate, but correlation is not explanation. Meanwhile, quantum physics 1108 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.880 keeps producing results that put the observer back into the 1109 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:50.480 heart of reality. Of The famous double slit experiment that 1110 01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:54.159 we mentioned earlier shows that particles behaved differently depending on 1111 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:59.760 whether they're observed. Entanglement shows instantaneous connections across vast differences, 1112 01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:04.039 as if the universe knows itself in a way beyond 1113 01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:08.719 space and time. These phenomena don't disprove panpsychism outright, but 1114 01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:13.559 they hint that consciousness isn't just a side effect of matter. Slowly, 1115 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.400 but surely, science is panting a picture that lines up 1116 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.559 with the oldest mystical traditions. Matter in mind are not 1117 01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.920 two separate realms. They are woven together to sides of 1118 01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:28.480 the same coin, rippling with awareness from top to bottom. Yeah, baby, 1119 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:33.039 all I love it. So then there's the practical power 1120 01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:38.119 of panpsychism. Belief shapes behavior. We know this right. If 1121 01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.800 you see the universe as dead matter, you treat it 1122 01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:43.599 as a resource to exploit. If you see it as 1123 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:47.960 alive infused with awareness, you treat it with reverence. Panpsychism 1124 01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:52.119 is not just abstract philosophy. It's a worldview that changes 1125 01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:56.280 how we live. Think about compassion. If even the smallest creature, 1126 01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.800 or even a plant, carries some spark of experience, then 1127 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:04.440 cruelty becomes less justifiable. You begin to see the world 1128 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.639 not as an it, but as a thou, a field 1129 01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:11.280 of relationships instead of objects. This doesn't mean that you 1130 01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:14.400 stop eating, or building or creating, but it does mean 1131 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:17.440 that you begin to live with a sense of sacred reciprocity. 1132 01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.079 On a personal level, panpsychism can reduce the fear of death. 1133 01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:24.320 If consciousness doesn't begin at birth and doesn't end at death, 1134 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:28.440 then the stakes of exist and shift. Life becomes an adventure, 1135 01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:32.039 not a desperate scramble against the void. You are playing 1136 01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:36.000 a role in a grand drama, knowing the actor never dies. 1137 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:40.760 Hmm, that's cool, you know, Speaking of the void, man, 1138 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:42.480 you know, we go into a lot of things, and 1139 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.280 a lot of the things. Sure we can't prove, and 1140 01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:49.000 it's all experiential and all of this, but I'm gonna 1141 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.159 come out and say do that there is no void. 1142 01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:56.519 I there's no way that avoid is possible with just 1143 01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:58.800 And this is just kind of what I've been thinking lately. 1144 01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:03.719 You know, the fact of non existence, you know, the 1145 01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:07.679 definition of that is something that doesn't exist. There's no 1146 01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:10.119 way that it could be a thing that can be experienced. 1147 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.559 And so sure your mind took you there and said, hey, 1148 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:15.880 look at this for whatever reason. I'm sure that you 1149 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:17.960 figured out a lot of that, you know, for your 1150 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.480 own subconscious and everything else. But as far as they're 1151 01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:23.880 being a void, no, well I don't think so. 1152 01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:26.760 And I would actually agree with you on that because 1153 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:30.840 avoid is something that doesn't exist yet I was there 1154 01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:35.400 to observe it, So therefore the void can't be the 1155 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:40.079 void if there was existence inside of it, right exactly. 1156 01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:43.599 And so yeah, I'd just like to throw that out there, 1157 01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:45.119 because you know, and then you start to think of 1158 01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:46.639 you know, people that want to tell you that you're 1159 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:48.599 going to hell and this and that, and it's just 1160 01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:52.760 like I don't think that consciousness, or even if you 1161 01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:57.840 want to say, God, somebody that created everything would want 1162 01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.159 to put you there, you know, especially if it it's 1163 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:01.159 a part of itself. 1164 01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:07.960 Yeah, consciousness is not going to punish itself. No, that's ridiculous. No. Yeah, 1165 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:13.920 so that brings us interestingly enough, panpsychism and immortality. When 1166 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:18.000 people hear immortality, they often imagine the personality living forever, 1167 01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:22.639 me or you or whoever, stretching on into eternity. But 1168 01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:26.639 panpsychism offers a more profound version. Immortality is not about 1169 01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.159 clinging to your individual ego forever. It's about realizing you 1170 01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:33.079 were never just that ego in the first place. Think 1171 01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:36.920 of the ocean and its waves. Each wave rises, peaks, 1172 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:39.880 and falls, but the ocean is unbroken. The wave doesn't 1173 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:43.360 mourn when it disappears. It was never separate from the sea. 1174 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:46.360 In the same way, your consciousness is a wave in 1175 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:49.360 the infinite ocean of awareness. When the wave falls, the 1176 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:53.119 ocean remains. That ocean is you, and it never ceases. 1177 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:56.400 This reframes death and immortality in a way that's freeing. 1178 01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.360 You don't need to chase eternal life as a personality 1179 01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:03.400 because you are already eternal as the universal consciousness. The 1180 01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:07.320 you that fears death is only a mask. The real 1181 01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:13.000 you is deathless. The real you already know what it is. Yeah, 1182 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:18.079 you know, man, that is interesting though, right, that like 1183 01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:23.519 just the like just thinking about like, you know, because 1184 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.960 both you and I have had like deep inner conversations 1185 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.880 with ourself or with whatever you know, inside of our 1186 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:35.519 own mind about our own mortality. Right, and it's like, 1187 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:39.159 here we are, we are contemplating mortality as if it's 1188 01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:42.400 a thing, you know what I mean. At that point, 1189 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:46.840 it's like only thing that you're really worried about consciously 1190 01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:50.800 losing as far as mortality goes, would be the ego. 1191 01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:54.320 It's like, of course, you don't need your ego anymore. 1192 01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:57.280 Like I'm not gonna be Jonathan anymore. I'm not gonna 1193 01:06:57.320 --> 01:06:59.599 be this guy with the on tattoos and the matrix 1194 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:04.119 tattoos in a beard and somewhat beautiful, loving, luscious locks 1195 01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.960 and whatnot. Right, I'm not going to be who I am. 1196 01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:10.760 I'm not I'm I'm not the guy that is speaking 1197 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:13.119 into the microphone that you're listening to on the other 1198 01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:16.719 side of this podcast. That is me temporarily. The real 1199 01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:20.119 me is beyond that. The real you is beyond that, 1200 01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:23.480 you know. And that's the crazy part is that we 1201 01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:27.079 want to bring podcaster Sean to the other side. We 1202 01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:30.400 want to bring podcaster Jonathan to the other side. We 1203 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:33.800 want to bring you know, husband of so and so 1204 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:37.559 to the other side, father or wife or brother or 1205 01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.880 sister of so and so to the other side, to 1206 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:44.880 become immortal within the realms of human physical history. And 1207 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:48.599 that's exactly what a physical body would want, you know, 1208 01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:52.760 if it it it fears mortality, right like it fears 1209 01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:55.800 for its own mortality in the way that like, well, 1210 01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:59.840 I'm who I know to be me absolutely will cease 1211 01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:01.840 to exist. And this is where a lot of people 1212 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:05.280 get caught up because some people don't know how to 1213 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:08.559 separate themselves from their own ego or separate themselves for 1214 01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.159 their physic from their physical body or anything like that. 1215 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:16.079 And if if people only knew that you exist outside 1216 01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:19.439 of this meat suit, like not kind of think or 1217 01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:23.199 I'm I'm leaning that way, but if you knew it 1218 01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:27.600 to your core, dude, yeah, I mean, it's just another 1219 01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:29.279 fucking journey we're gonna go on. 1220 01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.520 You know, yeah, dude, And you know, you know how 1221 01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:36.880 how firmly you are grasping onto your ego when it 1222 01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:40.840 is suddenly just kind of stripped away, you know what 1223 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.960 I mean, through maybe some type of psychedelic experience, you know, 1224 01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.880 and when when that is gone, how uncomfortable that can be, 1225 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.119 you know what I'm saying. So of course we're holding 1226 01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:53.439 on to that thing because deep down, I think we 1227 01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:56.399 know when you let go of that, it's an you're 1228 01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:00.800 already in the unknown, like immediately, you know, I think physically, 1229 01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:01.920 that's what we're afraid of. 1230 01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:06.279 And that's and that's something that even Buddha was trying 1231 01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:10.600 to teach, you know, uh Gautama whatever his real name was, 1232 01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:15.319 but like he was trying to teach that essentially, the 1233 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:19.720 your attachments are what is binding you to this physical world. 1234 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:22.319 You got to, you know, in a sense, and not 1235 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:25.439 everybody can live without attachments. Of course, we love our kids, 1236 01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:27.840 of course, we love our parents. Of course, we love 1237 01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:31.199 our significant others, and we love the interactions that we 1238 01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:34.199 make with other individuals, and you know, we love our 1239 01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:37.560 dogs whatever, right like, of course we love it. But 1240 01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:40.399 the idea is to be able to say, all right, 1241 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:45.279 that is my physical reality. That's not all that reality is. 1242 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.520 And so if you're to say, if I'm trying to 1243 01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:52.199 live without attachments, in a way, it would be to 1244 01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:55.720 say that, like, we're living two different lives and one 1245 01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:58.640 is temporary, and yes I'm going to miss everybody, but 1246 01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:04.760 the actual reality of our personal, actual reality itself is 1247 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:08.399 beyond those things that it is beautiful because it is temporary. 1248 01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:12.680 Right, Yeah, in that way reality we are just infinite, 1249 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:14.640 you know, we go on forever. 1250 01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:21.199 Yeah, you know. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. So all right, 1251 01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:25.560 the mystery of division? Is it real or illusion? Here's 1252 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.399 the haunting question. If consciousness is universal, why do I 1253 01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.199 feel like only me and not like everything? Why am 1254 01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:36.319 I a window and not the whole? Is this division 1255 01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:40.880 real or is it an illusion? Pansychism answers by pointing 1256 01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:45.760 to integration. Consciousness organizes itself into patterns, and each pattern 1257 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:48.239 becomes its own window. And so we were kind of 1258 01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:49.720 touching on this a little bit earlier. It's going to 1259 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:53.359 go a little bit deeper. Now your brain integrates experiences 1260 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.640 into one stream, and that stream is what it feels 1261 01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:59.920 like to be you. In this sense, separation is real 1262 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.880 enough for experience, but not ultimate. It's functional but not absolute. 1263 01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:09.720 From a mystical view, individuality is an illusion. Consciousness generates 1264 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:14.119 so that it can experience itself in countless forms, one 1265 01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:18.640 light through many prisms, one mirror shattered into infinite shards. 1266 01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:22.079 From the scientific view, your awareness is bounded by the 1267 01:11:22.119 --> 01:11:26.159 information that your body processes. From the mystical view, you 1268 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:30.119 were always the whole. The mask just convinced you otherwise. 1269 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.399 And that the continuity of that mask really kind of 1270 01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:37.239 keeps you in that illusion, you know. I mean, if 1271 01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:40.960 there was you watch a movie and after about ten minutes, 1272 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.199 because you're in that state of mind where you're just 1273 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:47.800 entranced with the movie, you almost forget that you're watching 1274 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.239 the movie. It's almost like you're just you're you're just 1275 01:11:50.520 --> 01:11:53.960 so involved that, you know what I mean, It just 1276 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:57.479 the experience is whatever is happening on the on the screen, 1277 01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:00.560 you know, And so the continuity of that until the 1278 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:02.640 movie ends, and then you come out and then you 1279 01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:05.239 talk about the movie, and you're now coming to the 1280 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:08.000 idea like, oh, that was the experience of watching a movie, 1281 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:10.079 you know what I'm saying. So I feel like that's 1282 01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:13.399 what this is. Yeah, the continuity of our life. Every 1283 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:16.920 morning you wake up, you're still you're still Jonathan. You're 1284 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:19.960 still Jonathan, and you kind of hold that that mask 1285 01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:22.640 up of who you think you are and then when 1286 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:25.880 it ends, you go, oh, well that was interesting. 1287 01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:28.159 Yeah, you know, man, I thought that was real. 1288 01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.600 Yeah, I felt it felt real, dude, you tell everybody 1289 01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:35.399 I forgot parts. But like there was this podcasting thing. 1290 01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:35.760 I don't know. 1291 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:37.920 It was like you talk to people and I don't know, 1292 01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:39.600 you come up with what to say, like on the 1293 01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:41.479 spot it was wild yeah. 1294 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:45.479 Yeah yeah, and like we spoke with our mouth how primitive. 1295 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:49.199 People were believing in God and sacrificing goats. It was weird, 1296 01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:51.159 but it's fun, you know, it was fun. 1297 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:57.279 Yeah yeah, dude, man, what a U for moment that's 1298 01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.479 going to be whenever we finally get there. 1299 01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:04.520 Yeah, exactly, and you go, I knew it, yeah right, 1300 01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:06.039 Like fuck, how. 1301 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:08.600 How else could I have framed it to help people understand? 1302 01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:13.279 You know, it's impossible. They'll never get it. Yeah yeah, 1303 01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:15.319 I mean the doal that can be explained is not 1304 01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:18.560 the real doll anyway. They're I'll try it, They're all trying. 1305 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:21.760 You can't explain the unexplainable is the point. 1306 01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:23.720 And that's it, dude, that's what we're talking about here 1307 01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:25.760 with consciousness, it's something that can't be. 1308 01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:29.039 Tangible. It's just not tangible. 1309 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:30.920 We don't even know where it is within our mind, 1310 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.640 So how are we supposed to analyze it and really 1311 01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.239 research it other than just through experience. 1312 01:13:37.159 --> 01:13:40.560 Yeah, that's what we're left with. So that is what 1313 01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:45.119 we're left with. Yeah, which I actually like that. It's 1314 01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:50.439 almost uh that it's mysterious. You know, it adds to 1315 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:53.920 because if you knew exactly what it was, there would 1316 01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:57.680 be no need to continue wondering and trying to figure 1317 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:00.199 out what it is. And so by our content you 1318 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:06.359 as wonder, we are constantly interacting with it, you know, 1319 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:07.800 And maybe that's the point. 1320 01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:11.000 Yep, I think a little bit. Yeah, for sure, definitely. 1321 01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:13.880 I mean even in the physicalist look at this, you 1322 01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:17.319 know what I'm saying, it's like big bang physical stuff 1323 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:22.479 coming together with eyeballs and vocal cords and thoughts and 1324 01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:25.800 thinking about its beginning and where it came from. Like, 1325 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:29.680 even that is just weird in itself, you know, not 1326 01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:32.520 even getting into the woo woo or any of that. 1327 01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:37.039 You know, it's still just fucking weird. It's all weird, weird. 1328 01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:41.439 It's beautiful though, So from the wholeness to the window. 1329 01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:44.760 So how do we go from total consciousness to a narrow, 1330 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:48.880 a narrow personal window. In the first place, this is fun. 1331 01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:53.239 So think of consciousness like light. Again, light can flood 1332 01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:55.720 a room, but it can also shine through a pinhole. 1333 01:14:56.119 --> 01:15:00.439 Being human is the pinhole view, the universal awareness focused 1334 01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:03.560 through the lens of your body and mind. This doesn't 1335 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:06.680 mean you left the hole. The hole is still there 1336 01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:09.399 flowing through you. You are like a radio tune into 1337 01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:10.319 a single frequency. 1338 01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:14.359 The signal hasn't gone anywhere, but your tuner narrows it 1339 01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:18.640 into one voice, one channel, and one story one. That narrowing, 1340 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:23.079 and that narrowing rather is what gives rise to individuality. 1341 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:26.279 It's what allows the one to experience the adventure of 1342 01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:30.319 being Jonathan or Sean or anyone else. It's not a loss, 1343 01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:34.119 but it's a creative act. Consciousness plays like it's small 1344 01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:37.960 so that it can live many lives. Death then is 1345 01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:40.640 the moment that the tuner powers down and the signal 1346 01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:47.760 returns to its infinite range. Yeah yeah, So then, of 1347 01:15:47.800 --> 01:15:52.000 course there is the illusion of separation. From the mystical 1348 01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:55.000 point of view, the sense of being only you is 1349 01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:58.600 not the ultimate truth, but an illusion, what Buddhists call 1350 01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:03.119 the Maya. Consciousness never actually fractures. It only appears divided 1351 01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:07.039 because it's looking at itself through countless perspectives. Just as 1352 01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:09.880 a mirror can shatter into many shards yet still reflect 1353 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:15.439 the same sky, awareness refracts into billions of individual lives 1354 01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.840 without ever ceasing to be whole. The illusion is necessary 1355 01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:22.279 for the play of life. If you knew at all 1356 01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:25.560 times that you were the entire cosmos, the drama of 1357 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:28.880 the human being might lose its meaning. The illusion allows 1358 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:31.800 you to feel joy and pain, and triumph and tragedy 1359 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:35.000 as if they were happening to someone separate, which makes 1360 01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:40.079 the experience experiences more vivid. The one hides from itself 1361 01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:44.640 in order to find itself anew. When death dissolves that illusion, 1362 01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:47.520 you awaken the truth that the boundaries were never real. 1363 01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:51.520 They were costumes masks worn by eternity to see itself 1364 01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:54.920 in fresh ways. Life is the game, and individuality is 1365 01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:57.359 the disguise that makes that game possible. 1366 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:02.920 You know, I don't know if this is the truth, 1367 01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:05.439 but it's definitely the one I'd like to uh, I'd 1368 01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:07.199 like to pick and run with for a while it 1369 01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:08.119 just seems more fun. 1370 01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:12.079 Yeah, I think so. I mean it's the nama stay yeah. 1371 01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:17.319 Dude, you know, I mean everything within every butterfly, everything. 1372 01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:20.039 A blade of grass, a fart, you know what I mean, Like, 1373 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:23.119 all of it's the same. And that's the beauty of it. 1374 01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:25.840 Is that, as we said on d mt X or 1375 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:29.800 you know, on mushrooms, any psychedelic whatever you're doing, why 1376 01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:33.359 is it that everything becomes so much more beautiful, Everything 1377 01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:36.279 becomes so much more vibrant, almost as if we're seeing 1378 01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:38.000 it in its natural form. 1379 01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:40.960 No shit, dude, I never thought that I would feel 1380 01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:45.960 some type of remorse looking at a tree and saying, wow, like, 1381 01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:49.479 how come I never really paid this tree the amount 1382 01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:51.880 of attention it deserved, you know what I mean, as 1383 01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:54.800 a as the entity that it is like, And that's 1384 01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:56.720 that sounds kind of weird, you know what I mean. 1385 01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:58.600 I never thought I would feel that way. But for 1386 01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:03.279 some reason, there there's definitely that that that happening, whatever 1387 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:05.640 that is, you know, like, let me see that thing, 1388 01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:08.199 and you're like, oh, it just looks like its own 1389 01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:12.960 and even the individual leaves look like its own entity 1390 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:15.920 of sorts, like and almost if you think about it, 1391 01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:18.760 this way. The tree itself is such a good symbol 1392 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.720 for exactly what we were talking about, you know, trunk 1393 01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:24.239 going up as the stream of consciousness, and then the 1394 01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:28.720 branches coming out being their own seemingly their own thing, 1395 01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:30.960 but really they're just all part of the tree. 1396 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:36.039 Yeah. It looks majestic, and you almost feel like you 1397 01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:40.800 owe it a respect, you know, like not necessarily worship 1398 01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:45.119 by any means, but definitely alluding to its own consciousness, 1399 01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:48.840 like just saying like, oh, there's something extra than just 1400 01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:53.039 wood going on here. Yeah, you know, worthy of your observance, 1401 01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:57.600 you know, at the very least, like yes that you know, yeah, dude, 1402 01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:03.159 And so anyhow so now we get to the evolutionary role. 1403 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:07.399 Panpsychism also dovetails beautifully with evolution if you're somebody that 1404 01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:11.680 believes in evolution. To be honest, this is something that 1405 01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:14.479 I've been playing with. I think I've been playing with 1406 01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.960 it a little bit. I've been playing with it, been 1407 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:20.399 touching it a little bit, you know, right, mainly when 1408 01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:23.119 nobody's looking, of course, but of course, I mean that's 1409 01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:26.880 the right thing to do, touching it. Nonetheless, the idea 1410 01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:31.520 of evolution, see, if we are beyond what it is 1411 01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:34.560 to be human. Then who gives a fuck if evolution 1412 01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:36.840 is a real thing or not as far as the 1413 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:40.000 physical reality itself, if it's only secondary. 1414 01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:41.880 Right, well, I mean when I think of evolution, I 1415 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:45.479 think of just the physicalist idea of it. I don't 1416 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.359 even I don't even think I I I don't know. 1417 01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:50.800 See hold on a minute, hold on, think about it. 1418 01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:54.960 Think about this for a second, because I feel like consciousness. 1419 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:59.119 Oh shit, if consciousness is fundamental, I don't know if 1420 01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:04.279 it if it needed to evolve necessarily, but definitely the 1421 01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:08.399 physical our physical form has evolved, I think. 1422 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:11.880 But yeah, I don't know. That's because if you think 1423 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:15.359 about it for a second, So if everything was always conscious, 1424 01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:19.479 and everything was always consciousness, then that means that at 1425 01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:22.520 one point in time we probably experienced what it was 1426 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:25.640 like to experience to be a rock, a blade of grass, 1427 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:29.680 a tree, a dog, a bird, a lizard, drop of water, 1428 01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.760 like all of these things we've you know, if if 1429 01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:34.920 if all is one thing, then we had to have 1430 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:37.399 experienced it all. And to be honest, if you want 1431 01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:40.239 to take it to even trippier level, we are currently 1432 01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:43.359 experiencing what it's like to be all that anyway, because 1433 01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:46.840 time itself is an illusion, right, So if we're to 1434 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:51.119 stick on that, on that realm, then wouldn't it make 1435 01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:54.920 just as much sense that we would want to know 1436 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:59.239 what it feels like to be a monkey that eventually 1437 01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:04.520 involved evolved into a caveman, like imagining imagine having your 1438 01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:08.560 consciousness in that caveman, and then imagining, imagine what it 1439 01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.720 would be like to be a Neanderthal. And you know, 1440 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:16.199 the the homo sapien, before the homo sapient sapien, It's 1441 01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:21.439 like it's still consciousness. It's just that the ability within. 1442 01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:23.600 And I think that, you know, if if we are 1443 01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:26.600 to look at consciousness as if it exists on a 1444 01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:29.439 scale as far as awareness goes, and the awareness of 1445 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:35.399 said consciousness goes, then eventually, if the human mind is evolving, 1446 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.720 it is only pro consciousness. It is in. It is 1447 01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:46.000 in Uh, it's in favor of consciousness experiencing itself, you know, 1448 01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:49.840 just throughout the annals of tubble, right right, And so 1449 01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:53.760 at that point, consciousness would be in favor of evolution, 1450 01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.560 you know, absolutely, Okay, I'm with you. I understand what 1451 01:21:57.560 --> 01:21:59.359 you're trying to say now, and I'm not even saying 1452 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:01.479 one hundred percent that I believe in evolution. I'm just 1453 01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:04.800 saying I'm not going to sit here and cancel it out. 1454 01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:07.039 I think that would be kind of silly. Right, Oh, 1455 01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:10.199 for sure, it doesn't go against any spirituality and the 1456 01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:14.640 people that the people that think it does definitely, yeah, right, 1457 01:22:14.680 --> 01:22:16.359 And the people that think that it you know, it 1458 01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:22.199 goes against consciousness. Well, and here's the problem. The problem 1459 01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:24.359 is is that it doesn't go against spirituality, and it 1460 01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:28.000 doesn't go against consciousness. It goes against religion, right for sure. 1461 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:28.720 For sure. 1462 01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:31.840 So I'm all for the idea of evolution being a 1463 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:34.319 real thing, you know what I mean, And consciousness, like 1464 01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:38.840 you said, is only experiencing it through those different forms 1465 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:44.199 of really the ability to have a higher level of awareness. 1466 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:45.760 You know, really, yeah, I mean, and you could even 1467 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:48.239 look at it like all right, well, let's look at 1468 01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:51.199 a consciousness as if it was a technology, for example, 1469 01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:54.800 like a physical material technology like and we were to 1470 01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:58.279 look at technology as if it was a human evolving, right, 1471 01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:01.359 just to play a little game. So at one point 1472 01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:06.000 in time, consciousness existed as a record, and then it 1473 01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:09.119 evolved into an eight track, and then it evolved into 1474 01:23:09.119 --> 01:23:12.359 a cassette, and then it evolved into a CD, and 1475 01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:15.159 then it evolved into an MP three, and every single 1476 01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:18.960 one of those there, you could like they held more 1477 01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:22.199 memory as it evolved and as it went on, and 1478 01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:24.760 the more memory that it could that it could hold, 1479 01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:27.560 the more experiences it could have, the more that it 1480 01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:31.159 could learn to be more and think more and wonder more. Right, 1481 01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:33.479 And so if we just look at it in that sense, 1482 01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:35.520 it kind of checks out to me. Anyway. 1483 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:37.439 That's where we are, dude, you know what I mean, 1484 01:23:37.479 --> 01:23:42.039 where at the forefront of the technology or the human 1485 01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:46.439 evolution that is actually trying to figure out what consciousness is. 1486 01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:48.560 And I feel like we're getting close, man, you know 1487 01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:50.159 what I mean. I feel like there's going to be 1488 01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:53.600 something to be said for people that are just able 1489 01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:56.239 to read each other's thoughts and shit. 1490 01:23:56.319 --> 01:24:00.319 I feel like that's something that's possible. I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, 1491 01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:04.159 I mean. And also, I mean, if consciousness is the 1492 01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:09.479 all meaning, all knowing, omnipotent, omni aware, omni everything, if 1493 01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:11.840 we're just going to you know, kind of compare it 1494 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:14.159 to God in a sense, which it would have to 1495 01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:17.199 be if it never if it never ceases to exist. 1496 01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:20.239 That means, and if it's all one thing and it 1497 01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:22.520 never ceases to exist. Then that means that it has 1498 01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:27.479 experienced everything that there has ever been to ever experience. Yep, 1499 01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:34.359 so it has no choiceation right right, God, we're getting 1500 01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:39.840 philosophical up in this, bitch. I love it. Yes, Yes, 1501 01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:44.279 So imagine consciousness not as something that suddenly appears at 1502 01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:48.239 the top of the evolutionary ladder, excuse me, but as 1503 01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:52.319 something that grows in complexity along with life itself. The 1504 01:24:52.399 --> 01:24:57.119 bacteria may have the faintest pinprick of awareness, an animal 1505 01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:01.640 a wider scope, and a human a vast self reflective window. 1506 01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:06.560 From this perspective, evolution isn't about creating consciousness, but about 1507 01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:14.520 building more elaborate receivers. Yes, and so consciousness you could 1508 01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:16.680 call it God, you can call it angels, you can 1509 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.640 call it Aloheim, you can call it Pleadians, maybe all 1510 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:24.039 of it, right, But it is always in favor of 1511 01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:28.319 that receiver being broadened and so, and that just makes 1512 01:25:28.359 --> 01:25:30.159 me think back to that dude, you got to watch 1513 01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:31.760 that movie. I think I told you about it before, 1514 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.479 but it's and maybe watched it. But it's called The Eternals. 1515 01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:36.479 It's a superhero movie. It's like a moment. Oh yeah, no, 1516 01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:39.359 I saw that. Holy shit. I started watching it again 1517 01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:42.600 last night because I was like, I wonder thinking, how 1518 01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:44.920 I think now? How can I look at it? That's 1519 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:48.760 the best part, dude. And so if consciousness, if you want, 1520 01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:50.840 whatever you want to call it, that maybe there are 1521 01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:55.359 other vehicles in which consciousness can fully express itself, and 1522 01:25:55.399 --> 01:25:59.439 it's looking down at the other vehicles of which consciousness 1523 01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:02.600 can't fully express itself or know itself or wonder itself 1524 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:06.239 as much as the whole can experience the whole, then 1525 01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:09.520 you would have to wonder, like, could there be other 1526 01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:12.479 vessels or other vehicles that are you know, kind of 1527 01:26:12.520 --> 01:26:15.880 helping us along the way, pushing us in the right path, you. 1528 01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:20.199 Know, absolutely and manifesting in maybe orbs who knows, you 1529 01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:22.199 know what I mean, Like they don't have to look 1530 01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:26.760 like us to exude some type of consciousness, you know. 1531 01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:29.119 And the beautiful thing about that is is that it 1532 01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:32.960 doesn't have to happen to everybody. It is. It is 1533 01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:36.680 on a per individual basis. And that's what's so beautiful 1534 01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:40.720 and poetic and amazing about all of it is that 1535 01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:43.720 it waits for you to say that you're ready, And 1536 01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:47.359 if you're not ready. Maybe you're never ready. Then that's okay, 1537 01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:49.760 because you're just gonna keep on fucking existing any way, 1538 01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:51.039 and eventually one day you'll get it. 1539 01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:53.560 Yeah, if you're not ready, you're gonna miss the signs 1540 01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:56.119 and the synchronicities and everything else that it's trying to 1541 01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:57.079 show you anyways. 1542 01:26:57.159 --> 01:26:59.399 And so you know, only the people that are more 1543 01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:00.560 aware going. 1544 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.319 To notice these things and actually try to figure out 1545 01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:04.279 what the fuck is going on? 1546 01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:07.560 You know, Yes, So let me just read that sentence again, 1547 01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:10.920 because that one hit me. So from this perspective, evolution 1548 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:16.439 isn't about creating consciousness, but about building more elaborate receivers. 1549 01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:20.279 The nervous system of animals, the brains of mammals, and 1550 01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:24.079 eventually the human mind all serve as instruments for the 1551 01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:29.039 universal awareness to experience itself in new ways. The complexity 1552 01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:35.920 of the organism shapes the richness of the experience. Yes, yes, 1553 01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:42.520 it makes sense, doesn't it. It's tracking man. Your individuality then, 1554 01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:46.479 is not random. It's the product of millions of years 1555 01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:51.640 of evolution tuning the instrument. Consciousness didn't switch on one 1556 01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:55.279 day in the past. It has always been here, deepening, widening, 1557 01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:59.319 and flowering into the human experience. We now call me 1558 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:05.960 m yeah, buddy, And eventually we're just going to be 1559 01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:08.760 a step on that ladder for the next, you know, 1560 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:15.319 the next round of expanded awareness and consciousness, you know. Man. So, 1561 01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:18.680 now we get into near death experiences and other beings. 1562 01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:21.399 But if death is a return to the whole, how 1563 01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:24.560 do we explain near death experiences where people report meeting 1564 01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:26.880 other Did I already read this? Oh no, I didn't 1565 01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:30.159 read this. I'm sure where people report meeting other beings 1566 01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:33.680 or deceive deceased loved ones. Shouldn't it all just dissolve 1567 01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:38.479 into pure oneness? Oh yeah. Panpsychism provides a way to 1568 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:42.159 understand this mystery. When the body begins to shut down, 1569 01:28:42.359 --> 01:28:46.600 the quote unquote window of consciousness doesn't vanish all at once. 1570 01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:50.319 And oh dude, this is this is goops goosebump material 1571 01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:54.960 right here. Okay, And so it doesn't just vanish Whenever 1572 01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:57.399 the body begins to shut down, the window of consciousness 1573 01:28:57.399 --> 01:29:01.920 doesn't vanish all at once, right, So instead, awareness loosens 1574 01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:07.239 from the body, but still carries the familiar patterns of personality, memory, 1575 01:29:07.319 --> 01:29:10.880 and relationship. In this liminal state, almost like an in 1576 01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:17.720 between consciousness often generates experiences that reflect those patterns, tunnels 1577 01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:22.000 of light, comforting figures, encounters with guides. They're not hallucinations, 1578 01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:27.359 but bridges between individuality and unity. And remember, even if 1579 01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:30.640 you are merging into the hole, the other windows of 1580 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:35.359 consciousness still exist. Other beings, other souls, other fragments of 1581 01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:38.279 the one are still shining their perspectives. In the near 1582 01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:41.680 death experience you make glimpse or interact with them before 1583 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:45.119 the final dissolving. It is the moment of standing between 1584 01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:49.439 two realities, the dream of individuality and the awakening into 1585 01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:52.720 the eternal. Wow, that's cool. 1586 01:29:53.720 --> 01:29:57.680 Cool, Like your individual self is still kind of echoing 1587 01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:02.640 as it transitions into that mainstream of consciousness, right, and 1588 01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:06.000 think about it like transitional period, like the yeah, like 1589 01:30:06.039 --> 01:30:10.319 the soft launch back into the one exactly. 1590 01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:13.159 And it's almost like, all right, look, I know you, 1591 01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:15.760 you like forgot and it's been a little while since 1592 01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:17.840 you've been here, So we're gonna hold your hand all 1593 01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:20.680 the way through it. And then whenever you're finally fully 1594 01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:23.359 dissolved back into the one, you're gonna realize that every 1595 01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:27.439 single one of those others that were helping you trans 1596 01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:32.560 like connect to the other side, they're all fucking you. 1597 01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:35.399 You know what I'm saying, Like, like, that's that's the 1598 01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:39.079 trip of it. So let's go even farther into that idea. 1599 01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:43.319 All right, So what happens when the dissolution is complete? 1600 01:30:43.319 --> 01:30:47.760 Whenever you? Whenever you the final dissolve. Imagine waking from 1601 01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:50.359 a dream. While you were in it, everything felt real, 1602 01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:54.119 the people, the places, the struggles, the emotions, but the 1603 01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:56.680 But the moment that you open your eyes, you realize 1604 01:30:56.680 --> 01:30:59.039 that it was all a story woven by your mind. 1605 01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:02.359 You don't you warn the dream. You simply see it 1606 01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:05.880 for what it was. From a panpsychist view, death is 1607 01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:10.439 exactly exactly that. So life as me or you or 1608 01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:14.239 anyone else in a dream of universal consciousness from when 1609 01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:18.239 the body falls away you wake up. The experiences don't disappear, 1610 01:31:18.439 --> 01:31:21.760 They become absorbed into the greater memory of the whole. 1611 01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:26.840 The dream dissolves, but the dreamer, you, me, everybody else remains. 1612 01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:30.439 This is why mystics and near death experiencers so often 1613 01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:34.680 described life as a dream within a dream. The dissolution 1614 01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:38.079 feels like an annihilation and more like waking into a 1615 01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:41.560 greater reality. You realize you were never just the character 1616 01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:45.039 and the dream. You were the dreamer the entire time. 1617 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:46.399 M Dude. 1618 01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:49.920 You've been saying that almost since we first started this podcast. Dude, 1619 01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:52.760 that like, when we go, it's gonna be like waking 1620 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:55.680 up from a dream. That's way before we did most 1621 01:31:55.680 --> 01:31:57.720 of this research, way before we did most of the 1622 01:31:58.560 --> 01:31:59.960 near death experience episode. 1623 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:02.920 Like you, you've always kind of had that idea. Yeah, 1624 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:05.920 where did that come from? Well, And to be honest, 1625 01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:08.600 I think it probably all started with, dude, whenever I 1626 01:32:08.680 --> 01:32:11.439 first met Jacob. I remember one of the very first 1627 01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:14.239 things he ever told me, right, I would I would. 1628 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:16.319 I would go up to him and be like, hey, bro, 1629 01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:18.800 how you doing. You know, how's life? You know, just 1630 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:21.279 getting to know him and everything right, and he's like, 1631 01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:23.479 you know, I'd ask him, you know, what's up and 1632 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:25.600 how's it been going or whatever, and he would go, oh, 1633 01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:28.399 you know, man, just uh, live in life one nightmare 1634 01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:31.800 at a time. And I used to think about that, like, man, 1635 01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:33.439 what if it all is a dream and then you 1636 01:32:33.479 --> 01:32:36.680 have these mystical experiences with psychedelics and everything else, and 1637 01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:40.680 you're like, all right, it feels pretty fucking fluid like 1638 01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:43.840 a dream. Would you know, yeah, exactly what kind of 1639 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:46.880 you know what I mean. You could go to bed 1640 01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:50.439 at night and have a dream within a dream. Come on, man, dude, 1641 01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:56.079 I mean honestly, yeah, that's and and and I don't 1642 01:32:56.159 --> 01:33:00.920 like whenever people like liking it too. We're in we're trapped, No, 1643 01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:04.680 because you're only trapped if you believe you're in a 1644 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:07.920 cage in the first place. And like it's entirely dependent 1645 01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:12.079 upon your perspective of your reality because and you can't 1646 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:15.000 say that it is it is a trap, Like it 1647 01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:18.199 can't entirely be a trap, because there are people living 1648 01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:20.359 this life as if it's not. There are people that 1649 01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:24.479 are loving this life. There are people, you know, crypto 1650 01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:27.880 bros that bought islands and they made their own laws 1651 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:29.960 and they can do whatever the fuck they want. So 1652 01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:33.119 that doesn't seem like prison to me. That doesn't seem 1653 01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:34.960 like any kind of cage or any kind of trap. 1654 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:38.880 The trap, the only trap that is out there is 1655 01:33:38.920 --> 01:33:42.159 the one that you create for your mind. That's the mindset. 1656 01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:48.880 That's it, yeah, man, Because I mean feeling of U 1657 01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:54.560 lack that kind of is just its own vibration, you 1658 01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:57.680 know what I'm saying, Like it's it's its own thing. 1659 01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:01.199 And you've created that, and that's a hard pill for 1660 01:34:01.319 --> 01:34:05.319 a lot of people to swallow because it's easier, it's 1661 01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:09.640 easier to say that I'm trapped than admit that I'm 1662 01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:11.079 the one that has the key to get out of 1663 01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:16.800 this cage anyway. Yep, and you're refusing to utilize that. Yeah, 1664 01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:19.880 I mean, everybody has a reason to feel bad for themselves. 1665 01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:23.479 Everybody does. Because the thing is is that, Yes, in 1666 01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:27.079 the modern day and age, you know, we have ac 1667 01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:31.319 the kings of old who were living like literal kings, 1668 01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:36.000 having you know, peasants feed them grapes and having midwives 1669 01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:37.840 and you know what I mean, not just midwives, but 1670 01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:39.680 you know what I'm trying to say, like you add helpers. 1671 01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:43.479 I mean, living to the highest extent of the fifteen 1672 01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:48.600 hundreds would be a fucking poor person nowadays. Okay, So 1673 01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:51.000 if you really think about it, the worst thing that's 1674 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:53.720 ever happened to you is just the worst thing that's 1675 01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:58.000 ever happened to you. There's nothing else to compare it to. Yep. 1676 01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:00.199 You know, but we don't look at like that way. 1677 01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:03.159 We look at like, you know, the the kings of old, 1678 01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:05.840 as if they had it made and in comparison to today, 1679 01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:09.119 it's like, man, I mean, they're no better off than 1680 01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:12.079 the meth heads at the bus stops. You know, It's like, 1681 01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:15.119 that's the same shit. You're basically living the same life, 1682 01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:17.000 except for at least the meth heads got an iPhone. 1683 01:35:17.720 --> 01:35:20.720 It's like they did. Kings didn't even have that. No, no, 1684 01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:27.439 for sure, that's fucking funny. So anyhow to two? Okay, 1685 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:29.920 So now one of the final parts we're gonna get 1686 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:38.239 into is m samsara and nirvana, right, all right. Buddhism 1687 01:35:38.279 --> 01:35:43.079 gives us a language that resonates powerfully within panpsychism. In 1688 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:47.760 Buddhist teachings, samsara is the endless cycle of birth, death, 1689 01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:51.720 and rebirth. Beings take on forms, suffer through illusions, and 1690 01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:56.000 continue to spin in the wheel lifetime after lifetime. If 1691 01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:59.319 life is a dream of consciousness, samsara is the act 1692 01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:03.119 of repeated falling asleep into new dreams, forgetting the truth 1693 01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:05.600 of who you are. Every death, in this view is 1694 01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:08.359 like waking up for a moment, dissolving into the hole, 1695 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:12.640 remembering the truth. But then, unless you've attained full realization, 1696 01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:16.399 you fall back into another dream, another body, another story. 1697 01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:20.279 The illusion begins again. Consciousness hides itself once more to 1698 01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:23.359 play the game. This is the great cycle, the ocean 1699 01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:26.880 forgetting that it is the ocean in imagining itself as 1700 01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:31.960 countless waves. Nirvana, therefore, is the liberation from this cycle. 1701 01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:34.960 It is breaking the cycle of Samsara. It is the 1702 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:38.880 moments of remembering so completely that you no longer need 1703 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:42.920 to fall asleep in the dream of individuality again. It's 1704 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:45.880 the realization that you are not the wave, not even 1705 01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:49.079 the dreamer of a single dream, but the eternal awareness, 1706 01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:55.239 awareness in which all dreams arise and dissolve. In pansychist terms, 1707 01:36:55.479 --> 01:36:59.319 it is dissolving fully into the universal field, never again 1708 01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:03.239 to be fracked into separate windows, different words, same insight. 1709 01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:08.479 The wave realizes that it was always the sea. So 1710 01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:10.399 if you feel like you're trapped, then you should probably 1711 01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:12.840 meditate break that cycle. 1712 01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:15.800 Get your mind right, you know that that's the only 1713 01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:19.079 hell that exists is the confines of your mind that 1714 01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:22.520 won't allow you to expand and think a little differently, 1715 01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:24.560 you know what I mean, and use your your powered 1716 01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:27.720 ability to you know, rise above and just look at 1717 01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:30.199 things a little bit differently, you know, and change your reality. 1718 01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:33.800 Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine that a chipmunk wonders 1719 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:36.159 if it's doing life the right way or not. No, 1720 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:41.920 it just do it, just do Yeah, so we arrive 1721 01:37:42.119 --> 01:37:45.199 at the great mystery. If panpsychism is true, then you 1722 01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:48.199 are not a fragile body clinging to a flicker of life. 1723 01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:52.199 You are life itself consciousness without beginning or end. The 1724 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:56.079 story of quote unquote you, your joys, your struggles, your 1725 01:37:56.079 --> 01:37:59.880 fears and loves is not erased at death. But recognize 1726 01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:03.960 what it always was, a dream, a performance, a mask 1727 01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:08.359 worn by eternity. Death then is not that's a tough word, 1728 01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.600 not an annihilation, but a return. It is not a 1729 01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:15.520 plunge into the void, but an awakening into wholeness. That's 1730 01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.840 perfect for what you said earlier, Sam Sorrow may draw 1731 01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:21.960 you back into the play, or nirvana may allow you 1732 01:38:22.039 --> 01:38:24.560 to rest in the eternal. But either way, you never 1733 01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:27.800 cease to be. You are the river flowing, the ocean, dreaming, 1734 01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:31.720 the light shining through countless prisms. As you walk through 1735 01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:35.039 your days, remember this, every glance, every heart beat, every 1736 01:38:35.079 --> 01:38:39.039 star over ahead and stone underfoot is alive with awareness. 1737 01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:42.279 You're not separate from it. You are it, the one 1738 01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:45.560 looking through the many, the dreamer and the dream, and 1739 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:49.199 when the mask finally finally falls, you will remember you 1740 01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:53.039 always have been and always will be the hole. 1741 01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:57.359 And when that time comes, man, and the mask is 1742 01:38:57.399 --> 01:38:59.479 able to come off, you could be like Truman and 1743 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:02.920 taking them bow, you know what I mean? Like the play, 1744 01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:06.319 This play is over, but a new one will begin, yeah, 1745 01:39:06.359 --> 01:39:08.359 after the after the intermission, of course. 1746 01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:10.560 Either a new one will begin or maybe it won't. 1747 01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:13.119 It's up to you. I think that it's entirely up 1748 01:39:13.159 --> 01:39:16.119 to us to decide. You think so it has to be, 1749 01:39:17.399 --> 01:39:21.000 because I mean, I know that some people are like, Man, 1750 01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:25.680 there's no way I would have accepted this reality. But 1751 01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:29.199 that's looking through a very narrow pinhole. As it kind 1752 01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:32.199 of stated earlier. You're not seeing the whole door. You're 1753 01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:35.439 looking through a tiny little pinhole. You're like you're staying 1754 01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:38.720 up for for Christmas as a little kid, and you're 1755 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:41.800 laying down in front of the door, looking underneath the 1756 01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:43.840 cracks and trying to see if you can hear the 1757 01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:47.119 jingle bells or or the black boots or a whole 1758 01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:50.079 ho ho or something like that. You don't see it. 1759 01:39:50.159 --> 01:39:52.760 All you're going to see is the rubber from Santa's boot. 1760 01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:57.319 You know, and so in this sense, it's like a 1761 01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:01.960 I mean, you don't necessarily, I don't know. It's like 1762 01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:07.960 maybe we just through the lens of what it means 1763 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:12.159 to be human. And if you're only living as your 1764 01:40:12.279 --> 01:40:15.119 human self, you're never going to see the whole for 1765 01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:18.600 what it is. If all you think is that all 1766 01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:23.720 we are is physical human beings and that maybe kind 1767 01:40:23.720 --> 01:40:29.560 of sort of might consciousness might stem from that, then yes, 1768 01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:33.279 you're limited and you're going to wonder why am I here? 1769 01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:38.359 But if you can dissolve yourself into that deep sea 1770 01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:42.600 of the wholeness of the one, dude, it's pretty easy 1771 01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:46.000 to find out. I think that, like, yo, I'm actually 1772 01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:47.840 here for a reason, and so I'm going to try 1773 01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:48.760 and like live up to that. 1774 01:40:49.319 --> 01:40:51.119 Yeah, and if you don't know what it is yet, 1775 01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:53.720 like figure that out and then just go for it, 1776 01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:56.600 you know, because you're here for something for sure. 1777 01:40:56.920 --> 01:40:59.199 Oh dude, as one of I can't remember who said it, 1778 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:03.039 but somebody said, your purpose is to find your purpose. 1779 01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:04.079 M hmm. 1780 01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:06.960 Yeah, that's and that could be a hard thing, you 1781 01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:08.720 know what I mean, Like if you're you're too busy 1782 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:11.239 on your phone looking at TikTok and doing this and 1783 01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:15.319 being bogged down by anxiety and stress and worry and 1784 01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:17.640 most of those things that are causing you anxiety or 1785 01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:19.920 the things that you have a choice to fix, but 1786 01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:22.520 you're choosing not to, and so that's why you're stressed. 1787 01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:25.720 It's like, get out of that, figure out what it 1788 01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:28.319 is that you enjoy doing the most that can help people, 1789 01:41:28.399 --> 01:41:31.039 or whatever it is, and then just start putting time 1790 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:33.960 and energy into that and just just go. 1791 01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:37.720 Yeah, just go, you know, yeah, dude, that's what we're 1792 01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:39.840 made to do. I think. But yeah, I love this 1793 01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:42.239 idea of panpsychism. I mean, you vibe in with it. 1794 01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:43.399 I mean, what do you It's fun. 1795 01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:48.399 There's obviously no way, it's an unknowable thing we'll never 1796 01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:51.359 maybe we'll never completely know. But I feel like, if 1797 01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:54.960 nothing else, I enjoy looking through this lens, you know 1798 01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:57.239 what I mean. It's it's definitely funner to look at 1799 01:41:57.279 --> 01:42:00.319 it this way, you know. And then if you by 1800 01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:03.000 looking through this lens and when you want to get into, uh, 1801 01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:06.960 the idea of telepathy and these certain things and these 1802 01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:09.880 are all consciousness based modalities. 1803 01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:13.600 Now, it's almost like you're opening a. 1804 01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:16.720 Portal or a doorway within your mind to better accept 1805 01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:20.199 that as something that is reality, and then maybe you're 1806 01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:21.880 able to do it, you know. 1807 01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:24.039 And like, I mean, what it means to be a 1808 01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:26.880 human is essentially what it means to trip, because you're 1809 01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:30.000 getting a tiny fractal of all the information. You're seeing 1810 01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:33.039 it through a very tiny small lens. And if all, 1811 01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:35.680 you know, if if we are part of the hole 1812 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:37.439 and the whole is part of us, and we are 1813 01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:41.800 it and it is us, then the card that flips 1814 01:42:41.840 --> 01:42:44.800 out of your hand whenever you're shuffling the taro is 1815 01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:47.159 nothing more than a message that you're trying to give 1816 01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:50.920 yourself for that very moment, exactly. Yep. And that's just 1817 01:42:51.039 --> 01:42:55.399 it always seems to resonate, right, you know. Do Yeah? Now, 1818 01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:57.079 so what is that though, sir? 1819 01:42:57.199 --> 01:43:01.840 Which, yeah, dude, we got the page of which I mean, 1820 01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:05.079 I always, I always enjoy a pedicle card, you know. 1821 01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:08.560 Oh yeah, it's usually a good sign money, money, money, 1822 01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:12.520 you know. I actually, since I'm in Arizona, I have 1823 01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:14.880 my book elsewhere, so we're gonna pull it up what 1824 01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:17.680 it means on And I always like to go to 1825 01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:20.439 one of my favorite websites if I'm trying to look 1826 01:43:20.479 --> 01:43:23.239 something up, like look up what a Tarot card means 1827 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:26.920 is bitty Taro, So I'll actually share the screen right 1828 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:32.800 mit Bitty Tarot b id by tarot dot com. It's 1829 01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:35.399 usually pretty accurate, at least you know from my experience 1830 01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:37.159 with it. 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We try and post 1881 01:45:54.199 --> 01:45:57.319 as many clips of you know shows as we possibly 1882 01:45:57.399 --> 01:45:59.760 can for those who are just listening and you want 1883 01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:01.479 to be a to maybe see what our faces look like, 1884 01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:03.720 or our guest faces look like, or tune in to 1885 01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:07.680 the most awesome moments during each episode. Those short clips 1886 01:46:07.720 --> 01:46:11.560 will be up on Instagram and TikTok, so come check 1887 01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:15.479 it out. That being said, The Page of Pentacles tarot 1888 01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:19.279 card meaning the Page of Pentacles, depicts a young man 1889 01:46:19.319 --> 01:46:22.079 standing in a grassy field of blooming flowers, and the 1890 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:24.640 distance behind him is a small patch of trees and 1891 01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:29.920 a newly plowed field, promising an abundant harvest. The mountain 1892 01:46:30.039 --> 01:46:34.000 range and the horizon signifies the upcoming challenges and obstacles 1893 01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:37.199 that the Page must surmount along his journey. The Page 1894 01:46:37.239 --> 01:46:40.000 holds a gold coin in his hand and examines it carefully, 1895 01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:43.239 as if to discover how to manifest even more gold 1896 01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:49.119 and abundance. Beautiful. So the upright meaning to it is manifestation, 1897 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:54.680 financial opportunity, and skilled development. Oh good things. I dig it. 1898 01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:57.920 So do we want to dig in a little bit deeper? 1899 01:46:58.119 --> 01:47:01.279 I think we should. I think so. The page of Pentacles, 1900 01:47:01.399 --> 01:47:04.039 like the page of all four tarot suits, brings a 1901 01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:07.920 welcome message of new beginnings, inspiration, and initial stages of 1902 01:47:07.960 --> 01:47:11.000 a creative project or venture. Which is funny because this 1903 01:47:11.079 --> 01:47:15.000 is my first episode with metamistics in Arizona. Yeah dude, well, 1904 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:18.760 just on a personal level, welcome. Since pentacles rule the 1905 01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:21.640 material realm and correspond to the element of Earth, this 1906 01:47:21.720 --> 01:47:27.319 page symbolizes a burgeoning awareness of the value of money, wealth, possessions, career, 1907 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:30.159 and physical health, and how to manifest more of these 1908 01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:33.960 material blessings. You welcome new opportunities to your material life, 1909 01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:37.199 a new job, a new business, a financial windfall, and 1910 01:47:37.479 --> 01:47:40.520 wish to discover how to turn your dreams into reality. 1911 01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:43.039 When the Page of Pentacles appears in the tarot, you 1912 01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:45.880 are tapping into your ability to manifest a personal goal 1913 01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:48.600 or dream, and may be in the midst of a 1914 01:47:48.640 --> 01:47:51.239 new project such as a hobby, a business venture, or 1915 01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:54.239 the start of a new educational experience. You're excited about 1916 01:47:54.239 --> 01:47:57.680 the possibilities and potential of what you put your mind to, 1917 01:47:58.079 --> 01:48:01.039 knowing that you can create whatever you want with focused 1918 01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:05.039 attention and action. That said, this page does not specify 1919 01:48:05.079 --> 01:48:08.159 the fulfillment of dreams as much as the initial motivation 1920 01:48:08.359 --> 01:48:11.399 and energy. To begin the process of tuning those dreams 1921 01:48:11.399 --> 01:48:14.479 into reality, you need to put in place clear plans 1922 01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:16.960 for achieving your dreams and goals. Stay focused on the 1923 01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:19.880 practical and tangible elements, keeping your feet planted on the 1924 01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:22.880 ground and not getting carried away, always looking for the next, 1925 01:48:22.920 --> 01:48:27.239 realistic and achievable step forward. Your common sense and a 1926 01:48:27.359 --> 01:48:30.039 pragmatic approach will lead you to a solution that works. 1927 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:33.000 And the quest to materialize his dreams. The Page of 1928 01:48:33.039 --> 01:48:36.399 Pentacles is an avid student and seeks to learn the 1929 01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:38.880 skills that will ensure his success in the long term. 1930 01:48:39.039 --> 01:48:41.319 The page of Pentacles often appears when you are ready 1931 01:48:41.359 --> 01:48:44.079 to up level your skills and learn something new so 1932 01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:46.479 that you can manifest your dreams. See this card as 1933 01:48:46.479 --> 01:48:49.640 an invitation to take a class, continue your education, or 1934 01:48:49.640 --> 01:48:52.840 start an apprenticeship. Even if you are already prosperous in 1935 01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:55.720 your current field, the page of Pentacles encourages you to 1936 01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:59.520 try something new and discover another aspect of yourself. The 1937 01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:01.960 more skills you bring to your portfolio, the more goals 1938 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:04.359 and dreams you can achieve. The page of Pentacles may 1939 01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:06.840 show you that you are considering a new business or 1940 01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:10.159 entrepreneurial venture, or you are in the initial stages of 1941 01:49:10.199 --> 01:49:13.560 setting up the company to be financially successful and abundant 1942 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:15.479 in the long term. You might be new to this, 1943 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:19.279 but you have to you have the enthusiasm, commitment, and 1944 01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:24.199 devotedness to see this project through. Love it, amen, brother, 1945 01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:24.960 love it. 1946 01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:27.119 You know when it comes to the things that it takes, 1947 01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:29.640 you know, for someone to be successful. You look at 1948 01:49:29.680 --> 01:49:31.399 all these people that are you know, they have these 1949 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:34.640 big businesses or they're just successful and happy you know, 1950 01:49:34.680 --> 01:49:37.359 they the thing that they have is no different from 1951 01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:39.520 what you have. The only thing that's different is the 1952 01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:43.119 mindset and the willingness to spend that time and attention 1953 01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:45.800 on a particular thing and then see it through. 1954 01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:46.479 You know. 1955 01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:49.520 And when you come to a boundary or you come 1956 01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:53.439 to an obstacle, you know, don't don't let that scare 1957 01:49:53.479 --> 01:49:55.760 you away. You know that that obstacle is only going 1958 01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:57.319 to make you stronger. It's going to allow you to 1959 01:49:57.399 --> 01:50:00.479 learn something new and just keep pushing forward. 1960 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:02.640 You know. Yeah, I think that they just you know, 1961 01:50:02.760 --> 01:50:05.720 most people who are successful, and I don't I don't 1962 01:50:05.720 --> 01:50:09.600 even want to, you know, just connect successfulness to happiness 1963 01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:12.760 and living the right way. I mean, you know, just 1964 01:50:12.800 --> 01:50:15.600 whatever makes you feel the most content and happy, I 1965 01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:18.680 would say is the most successful that you can possibly be. Yep. 1966 01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:23.439 And so those people, the thing that they learned how 1967 01:50:23.439 --> 01:50:25.039 to do was to get out of their own way. 1968 01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:29.119 We are the biggest obstacles. We talk shit more on 1969 01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:31.640 ourselves than anybody else. We are the ones that are 1970 01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:34.319 pumping the disgusting food that is terrible for our body 1971 01:50:34.319 --> 01:50:36.680 and for our brain. We're the ones that's not getting 1972 01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:39.239 enough sleep. Whenever we know that we need this amount 1973 01:50:39.279 --> 01:50:42.479 of sleep in order to you know, have a full 1974 01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:45.159 motor and a full engine the next day. Right, we're 1975 01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:48.479 the ones that are are to our own detriment if 1976 01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:51.560 we don't know how to use this vehicle of the human. 1977 01:50:52.119 --> 01:50:55.800 That's it. So yeah, solid card, dude. Yeah, I want 1978 01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:57.560 to hit home. Get out of your own way, man, 1979 01:50:57.760 --> 01:50:59.680 Get out of that way, dude, get out of it. 1980 01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:03.960 So anyhow, sean any parting words to the One as 1981 01:51:03.960 --> 01:51:07.079 we getting we get ready to go into this meditation, sir. 1982 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:10.399 I love the information, man, I really did. 1983 01:51:10.439 --> 01:51:13.800 And I'm going to enjoy looking through this lens and 1984 01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:17.039 I think it just gives a fresh a fresh outlook 1985 01:51:17.119 --> 01:51:19.880 on things, you know, and just explore that. And and 1986 01:51:19.960 --> 01:51:21.920 to thank you, you know, to the one for for 1987 01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:23.720 listening to us try to figure it out, you know, 1988 01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:25.680 and you're you're on this journey along with us, and 1989 01:51:26.399 --> 01:51:29.319 you know, I hope some of that resonated hopefully. 1990 01:51:29.399 --> 01:51:33.159 So yeah, it's Look, it's not a it's not just 1991 01:51:33.279 --> 01:51:38.520 a dream. It could just be reality if you accept it, right, 1992 01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:41.520 you know, because i mean, hey, life could be a 1993 01:51:41.600 --> 01:51:43.680 dream anyway. You may as well dream something fun, not 1994 01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:46.560 as well have some fun doing it. With that being said, 1995 01:51:46.600 --> 01:51:50.359 if panpsychism came here and it's on you anything, it's 1996 01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:53.800 that you don't know what you don't know, So don't 1997 01:51:53.920 --> 01:52:05.760 just get weird, stay weird. All right, Seun? How was that, sir? 1998 01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:06.920 All right? 1999 01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:09.720 So going into the meditation, I know that you explained 2000 01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:11.600 what the meditation was going to be of, but for 2001 01:52:11.640 --> 01:52:14.920 whatever reason, when I went into it, I was still 2002 01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:19.600 thinking of just the consciousness conversation and everything else. 2003 01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:22.000 But then I saw. 2004 01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:25.520 Like, in like my mind's I like, it looked like 2005 01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:30.039 a like a like a set of like like a ladder. 2006 01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:30.920 It wasn't a set of statis. 2007 01:52:30.960 --> 01:52:33.880 It was a ladder going up right, And so I'm like, oh, okay, 2008 01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:36.960 well I'll run with this, you know. I started climbing it, 2009 01:52:37.560 --> 01:52:39.600 and then all of a sudden, after a little bit 2010 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:41.880 of climbing that, there was an elevator that was coming 2011 01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:44.520 from from below and it was coming pretty fast, and 2012 01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:46.680 I was like, oh shit, you know, And so for 2013 01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:50.439 somehow I was able to just kind of leap onto that, 2014 01:52:50.960 --> 01:52:53.720 and this elevator was just going fast right, and all 2015 01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:56.439 of a sudden it was out of the structure that 2016 01:52:56.479 --> 01:52:59.279 we were in, and it wasn't even attached to anything 2017 01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:03.319 and just going up like pretty fast to the point 2018 01:53:03.319 --> 01:53:06.520 where it was like beginning to leave Earth, you know. 2019 01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:11.439 And so it was just this rising, lifting feeling. And 2020 01:53:12.479 --> 01:53:14.920 then I started to like climb down the side of 2021 01:53:14.920 --> 01:53:18.560 it somehow like maybe we were I was beyond where 2022 01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:21.039 gravity was really taking hold, and so I climbed down 2023 01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:22.640 the side of it, and then I was hanging off 2024 01:53:22.680 --> 01:53:25.479 of the bottom of it by like the corner of it, 2025 01:53:25.520 --> 01:53:28.000 and I was just like looking down and I can 2026 01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:31.439 see like the Earth and just see it as it's, 2027 01:53:31.479 --> 01:53:35.479 you know, without the borders and everything else, just Earth 2028 01:53:35.520 --> 01:53:39.000 as it, you know, I don't know the energy of itself, dude, 2029 01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:41.319 and just looking at that, and then it just kept 2030 01:53:41.359 --> 01:53:45.319 going and then I, for whatever reason, kind of left 2031 01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:47.840 that experience and then I just started to focus on 2032 01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:51.119 what I was seeing with my physical eyes, and it, 2033 01:53:51.399 --> 01:53:53.079 to be honest, dude, it started to get a little 2034 01:53:53.079 --> 01:53:56.159 bit somewhat psychedelic, you know what I mean. 2035 01:53:56.079 --> 01:53:58.359 Like saying shapes. And at one point it looked like 2036 01:53:58.399 --> 01:54:01.319 there was like a figure that like walked by like 2037 01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:03.680 real quick, like you know, like in the distance kind 2038 01:54:03.720 --> 01:54:06.880 of if there's distance within what I can see behind 2039 01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:10.479 my eyelids, you know. But it was just it was 2040 01:54:10.520 --> 01:54:12.720 a trip, dude. It was pretty cool though. 2041 01:54:13.800 --> 01:54:17.520 But I wasn't even thinking about the Kundalini Rising going 2042 01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:21.319 into that, and I just see a ladder like this, 2043 01:54:21.479 --> 01:54:24.640 like within an elevator shaft, and then I climb it 2044 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:28.039 and it was a pretty It was a trip, dude. Wow, 2045 01:54:28.479 --> 01:54:30.439 felt like I was within a dream, like a dream, 2046 01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:31.159 you know. 2047 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:32.159 Yeah. 2048 01:54:32.159 --> 01:54:35.000 It took me there too, actually, like it like I 2049 01:54:35.039 --> 01:54:38.840 forgot that I was meditating, yeah, you know, like after 2050 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:40.960 a while, I like, I mean, I'm not gonna lie. 2051 01:54:40.960 --> 01:54:43.079 The first probably if I had to guess, five or 2052 01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:45.800 six minutes, I was like, man, just get there, come on, 2053 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:49.560 I'm ready, you know. And and I was like, it's 2054 01:54:49.560 --> 01:54:52.720 almost like I forgot how to meditate. It was strange, 2055 01:54:53.319 --> 01:54:56.640 and and so I was like all right, and I 2056 01:54:56.720 --> 01:55:03.600 just kept on repeating, so render dissolve, Surrender, dissolve, and 2057 01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:05.520 I just kept on saying that in my mind like 2058 01:55:05.640 --> 01:55:11.640 for whatever reason, And dude, I felt like I eventually 2059 01:55:11.720 --> 01:55:16.159 melted into everything almost like like melted ice cream, you 2060 01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:18.560 know what I mean. It was almost like colors like that. 2061 01:55:18.680 --> 01:55:22.279 But it was like and then I was like, all right, 2062 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:28.560 show me what I'm working with, Like, show me the 2063 01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:32.039 uh am I am? I is it possible that I 2064 01:55:32.039 --> 01:55:36.479 can communicate with an alien, an ancestor a god, a spirit, 2065 01:55:37.079 --> 01:55:42.600 a something at all? Right, dude's so strange. It was like, 2066 01:55:43.479 --> 01:55:48.640 have you ever been to uh to Oatman, Arizona? Yes? Actually, okay, 2067 01:55:49.079 --> 01:55:54.319 so you remember like those old school little like singular jails, right, 2068 01:55:54.479 --> 01:55:57.000 like it only has like room enough for one person 2069 01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:00.560 to go in, right, like very old looking. Right. I 2070 01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:04.880 saw that, but inside wasn't a human or anything like that. 2071 01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:11.359 It was just one fucking giant eyeball. And it was like, 2072 01:56:12.279 --> 01:56:14.840 I don't know if that was like an allegory for something. 2073 01:56:16.159 --> 01:56:19.880 Like the way I kind of took it was that 2074 01:56:21.199 --> 01:56:24.520 it's like maybe that's the all seeing eye, the all 2075 01:56:24.560 --> 01:56:29.039 that is, the all that experiences the all, and right 2076 01:56:29.079 --> 01:56:31.560 now it's behind bars because it thinks that it's an 2077 01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:35.840 individual or maybe I think I'm an individual, and once 2078 01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:40.000 I get rid of that individuality, then that I is 2079 01:56:40.039 --> 01:56:43.319 no longer contained behind bars. It was some kind of 2080 01:56:43.359 --> 01:56:46.800 meaning like that, And isn't it weird that like you 2081 01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:50.079 can look at something and like an entire message comes 2082 01:56:50.079 --> 01:56:54.319 from just by being in that presence or whatever yeah, 2083 01:56:55.239 --> 01:56:58.840 like because it didn't talk or anything, you know, and 2084 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:02.079 but I only saw it for a couple of seconds, 2085 01:57:02.079 --> 01:57:04.479 but it like it was like still like sticking in 2086 01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:08.000 my mind. And then it was like I just dissolved 2087 01:57:08.119 --> 01:57:12.279 into nothing like it and I and I started to 2088 01:57:12.319 --> 01:57:14.800 feel it because at first I was like because I 2089 01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:17.119 was struggling to get there and everything, and then I 2090 01:57:17.199 --> 01:57:19.760 started to feel as if the void was starting to 2091 01:57:19.880 --> 01:57:24.119 envelop me. And usually usually that would like scare you 2092 01:57:24.119 --> 01:57:26.760 know me or whatever, right, and I was like, yes, 2093 01:57:27.159 --> 01:57:29.600 let's go. I want to go to the void. Bring 2094 01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:31.800 me back to the void. I want to go back there, 2095 01:57:32.239 --> 01:57:34.800 you know, because you know, the first initial time, at 2096 01:57:34.920 --> 01:57:37.039 least for what I can remember, it was like frightening 2097 01:57:37.119 --> 01:57:41.399 and not exactly pleasant. And ultimately that was all sparked 2098 01:57:41.399 --> 01:57:44.239 by my own fear, you know. So what happens if 2099 01:57:44.279 --> 01:57:48.680 I go into that void as like a I don't know, 2100 01:57:49.159 --> 01:57:51.600 like just to observe it and not necessarily to judge 2101 01:57:51.640 --> 01:57:55.119 it or judge myself or anything like that. Yeah, So 2102 01:57:55.159 --> 01:57:56.800 that's what it felt like. That's I don't know, that 2103 01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:58.960 was it was a weird. That was a weird meditation. 2104 01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:01.119 I dig it saying, I know, I like that. 2105 01:58:01.199 --> 01:58:03.520 I like that, and it's cool how just like you said, 2106 01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:07.039 seeing a symbol of something like the eyeball being maybe 2107 01:58:07.079 --> 01:58:10.520 possibly representing consciousness itself. You know, we were talking about 2108 01:58:10.560 --> 01:58:13.600 that earlier on how people feel like we're trapped, you know, 2109 01:58:13.920 --> 01:58:16.720 and I don't think that's the case, and I think 2110 01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:20.199 you agree with me. And you seeing that consciousness within 2111 01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:22.680 that jail and it's like, yeah, you can put you 2112 01:58:22.680 --> 01:58:26.000 can definitely garner some meaning out of that, you know. 2113 01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:29.239 And it's interesting just how the mind works in that way, 2114 01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:30.520 you know. 2115 01:58:31.479 --> 01:58:34.239 Yeah, I mean, if you really think about it, if 2116 01:58:34.279 --> 01:58:38.239 our consciousness is you know, somewhat at least surface level 2117 01:58:38.319 --> 01:58:43.039 contained withinside like this meat suit, it almost is kind 2118 01:58:43.079 --> 01:58:45.760 of in a jail because it's it's not able to 2119 01:58:45.800 --> 01:58:48.359 get out and escape and be all that is. It's 2120 01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:52.840 it just has one narrow view of the time being. Yeah, 2121 01:58:53.119 --> 01:58:56.920 I mean narrow in the sense of like whatever anything 2122 01:58:56.960 --> 01:58:58.159 that is less than everything. 2123 01:58:58.720 --> 01:59:03.039 M Yeah, the version of itself that is for the 2124 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:05.800 time being forced to I don't even want to say force, 2125 01:59:05.880 --> 01:59:09.239 but for the time being is observing things just through. 2126 01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:11.880 You, you know, just through the pinholes. 2127 01:59:11.479 --> 01:59:16.560 Through through your ego and your ideologies and your ways 2128 01:59:16.600 --> 01:59:18.680 of looking at things, you know what I mean. It 2129 01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:22.520 has to interpret everything that it observes through that filter, 2130 01:59:22.720 --> 01:59:24.079 the filter that is Jonathan. 2131 01:59:24.920 --> 01:59:34.520 Yeah, and it's almost like the glass shard, thinking that 2132 01:59:34.600 --> 01:59:41.560 it's just a shard and not containing the whole, encompassing everything. Yeah, dude, 2133 01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:45.039 fuck I love this stuff. Yeah, it really does make 2134 01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:46.840 you contemplate. 2135 01:59:48.079 --> 01:59:51.439 That's the best part, man, That's that's where the fun begins, 2136 01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:56.119 you know, contemplating the scene where it takes you, you know, 2137 01:59:56.159 --> 01:59:58.439 because I bet it won't take you where you think 2138 01:59:58.479 --> 01:59:59.199 it's going to take you. 2139 01:59:59.359 --> 02:00:02.960 Definitely not interesting about it. Yeah, like. 2140 02:00:04.479 --> 02:00:09.119 Me not even thinking about being next to a ladder 2141 02:00:09.159 --> 02:00:11.079 and all of a sudden there's one Okay, well let 2142 02:00:11.119 --> 02:00:13.199 me climb the ladder. So it's almost like you see something, 2143 02:00:13.239 --> 02:00:14.840 you observe it, and then you when you pull up 2144 02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:16.479 that thread and see where it takes you. 2145 02:00:16.840 --> 02:00:22.479 M And that's that's the fun part, that whole vibe. 2146 02:00:23.279 --> 02:00:27.800 It was almost like I was willing, like more than 2147 02:00:27.880 --> 02:00:31.880 willing to embrace the unknown. Mm hmm. You know, it 2148 02:00:31.920 --> 02:00:35.039 was like, be more neutral about it. Whatever the unknown is. 2149 02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:38.039 I know it's going to be so sick, it's going 2150 02:00:38.079 --> 02:00:41.039 to be so awesome and I cannot wait to experience 2151 02:00:41.079 --> 02:00:45.279 it rather than being fearful of the unknown, right you know. 2152 02:00:45.359 --> 02:00:49.279 Yeah yeah, giving that second opportunity to observe the void, 2153 02:00:49.880 --> 02:00:52.279 but through a different point of view. 2154 02:00:52.520 --> 02:00:57.840 Yeah yeah, all right, good ship man, good stuff of 2155 02:00:57.880 --> 02:01:01.439 the mind. You know, as a playground never gets boring. 2156 02:01:02.359 --> 02:01:05.159 You know, it has its teeters, and it's and it's totters, you. 2157 02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:07.640 Know, and it's dues. You know, one day we'll bring 2158 02:01:07.680 --> 02:01:10.680 it back that it exists, make a we it's there. 2159 02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:14.920 It didn't just disappear, No, no, no. 2160 02:01:13.560 --> 02:01:18.520 Way, definitely not Anyhow, the one it was a good conversation. 2161 02:01:18.720 --> 02:01:22.079 Hopefully you guys really enjoyed kind of like this kind 2162 02:01:22.079 --> 02:01:25.159 of talk. I think I saw like a TikTok or 2163 02:01:25.159 --> 02:01:27.560 something that was talking about pan psychism, and I was like, 2164 02:01:28.359 --> 02:01:31.439 we've talked about pantheism, what's up with panpsychism? And to 2165 02:01:31.479 --> 02:01:33.800 be honest, I don't think they're that different. 2166 02:01:34.359 --> 02:01:36.840 No, No, I mean there's just what you call a 2167 02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:40.479 couple areas that maybe don't line up, but other ones 2168 02:01:40.640 --> 02:01:44.159 definitely definitely vibe together, and you can mix and match 2169 02:01:44.199 --> 02:01:49.039 and interchange certain verbiage and yeah, dude, yeah, it's all 2170 02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:51.520 it's all one thing anyways, you know, let's be real. 2171 02:01:53.720 --> 02:01:56.359 I don't even question that anymore. No, no, how could 2172 02:01:56.439 --> 02:01:59.600 you At this point. We're too deep. We're too deep, 2173 02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:05.800 all right, guys, We're gonna boogiep out of here. We'll 2174 02:02:05.800 --> 02:03:17.399 see you on the flip side. O. Guys, keep